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Legislative Hearing Committee on Resources U.S H.R. 822, H.R. 4806 and H.R. 4838 LEGISLATIVE HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON FORESTS AND FOREST HEALTH OF THE COMMITTEE ON RESOURCES U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED EIGHTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION Thursday, July 22, 2004 Serial No. 108-105 Printed for the use of the Committee on Resources ( Available via the World Wide Web: http://www.access.gpo.gov/congress/house or Committee address: http://resourcescommittee.house.gov U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 95-098 PS WASHINGTON : 2005 For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866) 512–1800; DC area (202) 512–1800 Fax: (202) 512–2250 Mail: Stop SSOP, Washington, DC 20402–0001 VerDate 0ct 09 2002 11:45 Jan 25, 2005 Jkt 088533 PO 00000 Frm 00001 Fmt 5011 Sfmt 5011 J:\DOCS\95098.TXT HRESOUR1 PsN: KATHY COMMITTEE ON RESOURCES RICHARD W. POMBO, California, Chairman NICK J. RAHALL II, West Virginia, Ranking Democrat Member Don Young, Alaska Dale E. Kildee, Michigan W.J. ‘‘Billy’’ Tauzin, Louisiana Eni F.H. Faleomavaega, American Samoa Jim Saxton, New Jersey Neil Abercrombie, Hawaii Elton Gallegly, California Solomon P. Ortiz, Texas John J. Duncan, Jr., Tennessee Frank Pallone, Jr., New Jersey Wayne T. Gilchrest, Maryland Calvin M. Dooley, California Ken Calvert, California Donna M. Christensen, Virgin Islands Scott McInnis, Colorado Ron Kind, Wisconsin Barbara Cubin, Wyoming Jay Inslee, Washington George Radanovich, California Grace F. Napolitano, California Walter B. Jones, Jr., North Carolina Tom Udall, New Mexico Chris Cannon, Utah Mark Udall, Colorado John E. Peterson, Pennsylvania Anı´bal Acevedo-Vila´, Puerto Rico Jim Gibbons, Nevada, Brad Carson, Oklahoma Vice Chairman Rau´ l M. Grijalva, Arizona Mark E. Souder, Indiana Dennis A. Cardoza, California Greg Walden, Oregon Madeleine Z. Bordallo, Guam Thomas G. Tancredo, Colorado Stephanie Herseth, South Dakota J.D. Hayworth, Arizona George Miller, California Tom Osborne, Nebraska Edward J. Markey, Massachusetts Jeff Flake, Arizona Rube´n Hinojosa, Texas Dennis R. Rehberg, Montana Ciro D. Rodriguez, Texas Rick Renzi, Arizona Joe Baca, California Tom Cole, Oklahoma Stevan Pearce, New Mexico Rob Bishop, Utah Devin Nunes, California Randy Neugebauer, Texas Steven J. Ding, Chief of Staff Lisa Pittman, Chief Counsel James H. Zoia, Democrat Staff Director Jeffrey P. Petrich, Democrat Chief Counsel SUBCOMMITTEE ON FORESTS AND FOREST HEALTH GREG WALDEN, Oregon, Chairman JAY INSLEE, Washington, Ranking Democrat Member John J. Duncan, Jr., Tennessee Dale E. Kildee, Michigan Scott McInnis, Colorado Tom Udall, New Mexico Walter B. Jones, Jr., North Carolina Mark Udall, Colorado John E. Peterson, Pennsylvania Anı´bal Acevedo-Vila´, Puerto Rico Thomas G. Tancredo, Colorado Brad Carson, Oklahoma J.D. Hayworth, Arizona Stephanie Herseth, South Dakota Jeff Flake, Arizona VACANCY Rick Renzi, Arizona VACANCY Stevan Pearce, New Mexico Nick J. Rahall II, West Virginia, ex officio Richard W. Pombo, California, ex officio (II) VerDate 0ct 09 2002 11:45 Jan 25, 2005 Jkt 088533 PO 00000 Frm 00002 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 J:\DOCS\95098.TXT HRESOUR1 PsN: KATHY CONTENTS Page Hearing held on Thursday, July 22, 2004 ............................................................. 1 Statement of Members: Inslee, Hon. Jay, a Representative in Congress from the State of Washington .................................................................................................... 4 Larsen, Hon. Rick, a Representative in Congress from the State of Washington .................................................................................................... 7 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 9 Nethercutt, Hon. George R., Jr., a Representative in Congress from the State of Washington ..................................................................................... 6 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 6 Neugebauer, Hon. Randy, a Representative in Congress from the State of Texas .......................................................................................................... 60 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 62 Pombo, Hon. Richard W., a Representative in Congress from the State of California ................................................................................................... 2 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 3 Udall. Hon. Tom, a Representative in Congress from the State of New Mexico, Statement submitted for the record ..................................... 60 Walden, Hon. Greg, a Representative in Congress from the State of Oregon, Prepared statement of .................................................................... 67 Statement of Witnesses: Chase, Gene L., C & C Contracting, Inc. ........................................................ 33 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 36 Fadden, Chris, Vice President, Washington State Snowmobile Association ..................................................................................................... 48 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 50 Husmann, Ed, Sky Valley Resident and Snohomish County Farm Bureau Member .......................................................................................................... 28 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 30 Pope, Art, Executive Director, Northwest Youth Corps ................................ 63 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 64 Reardon, Aaron, Snohomish County Executive ............................................. 44 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 46 Rey, Hon. Mark, Under Secretary for Natural Resources and Environment, U.S. Department of Agriculture .......................................... 12 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 13 Sax, Jeff, County Council Member, District 5, Snohomish County, Washington .................................................................................................... 22 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 25 Town, Mike, Friends of the Wild Sky ............................................................. 39 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 41 (III) VerDate 0ct 09 2002 11:45 Jan 25, 2005 Jkt 088533 PO 00000 Frm 00003 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 J:\DOCS\95098.TXT HRESOUR1 PsN: KATHY VerDate 0ct 09 2002 11:45 Jan 25, 2005 Jkt 088533 PO 00000 Frm 00004 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 J:\DOCS\95098.TXT HRESOUR1 PsN: KATHY LEGISLATIVE HEARING ON H.R. 822, TO EN- HANCE ECOSYSTEM PROTECTION AND THE RANGE OF OUTDOOR OPPORTUNITIES PRO- TECTED BY LAW IN THE SKYKOMISH RIVER VALLEY OF THE STATE OF WASHINGTON BY DESIGNATING CERTAIN LOWER-ELEVATION FEDERAL LANDS AS WILDERNESS, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES; H.R. 4806, TO PROVIDE FOR A LAND EXCHANGE INVOLVING FED- ERAL LANDS IN THE LINCOLN NATIONAL FOREST IN THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES; AND H.R. 4838, TO ESTABLISH A HEALTHY FOREST YOUTH CONSERVATION CORPS TO PROVIDE A MEANS BY WHICH YOUNG ADULTS CAN CARRY OUT REHABILITATION AND EN- HANCEMENT PROJECTS TO PREVENT FIRE AND SUPPRESS FIRES, REHABILITATE PUB- LIC LAND AFFECTED OR ALTERED BY FIRES, AND PROVIDE DISASTER RELIEF, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. Thursday, July 22, 2004 U.S. House of Representatives Subcommittee on Forests and Forest Health Committee on Resources Washington, D.C. The Subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 11:05 a.m., in Room 1334, Longworth House Office Building, Hon. Richard W. Pombo, [Chairman of the Committee on Resources] presiding. Present: Representatives Pombo, Walden, Flake, Inslee, Tom Udall, and Herseth. Also Present: Representatives Larsen and Nethercutt. (1) VerDate 0ct 09 2002 11:45 Jan 25, 2005 Jkt 088533 PO 00000 Frm 00005 Fmt 6633 Sfmt 6633 J:\DOCS\95098.TXT HRESOUR1 PsN: KATHY 2 STATEMENT OF THE HON. RICHARD W. POMBO, A REPRESENT- ATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA The CHAIRMAN. The Subcommittee on Forests and Forest Health will come to order. Good morning. Today, we will hear three bills: H.R. 822, which would designate 106,000 acres as the Wild Sky Wilderness in Washington State; H.R. 4838, which would create the Healthy Forest Youth Conservation Corps; and H.R. 4806, which would fa- cilitate a land exchange between Lubbock Christian University and the Lincoln National Forest in New Mexico. The CHAIRMAN. I ask unanimous consent that Representative Nethercutt have permission to sit on the dais and participate in the hearing. Hearing no objection, so ordered. Under Committee Rule 4(g), the Chairman and the Ranking Minority Member can make opening statements. If any other Members have statements, they can be included in the hearing record under unanimous consent. I would first like to recognize our colleagues from Washington, Mr. Nethercutt and Mr. Larsen, who are requesting this hearing. The proposed Wild Sky Wilderness has been a big issue in the State of Washington. And after meeting
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