Oral History Interview with Paul Gann
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California state Archives state Government Oral History Program Oral History Interview with PAUL GANN Founder, President, People's Advocate, Inc. 1974 - 1989 September 28, October 19, November 24, 1987 and June 28, 1988 Sacramento, California By Gabrielle Morris Regional Oral History Office The Bancroft Library University of California, Berkeley RESTRICTIONS ON THIS INTERVIEW None. LITERARY RIGHTS AND QUOTATION This manuscript is hereby made available for research purposes only. No part of the manuscript may be quoted for pUblication without the written permission of the California state Archivist or Regional Oral History Office, University of California at Berkeley. Requests for permission to quote for pUblication should be addressed to: California state Archives 1020 0 street, Room 130 Sacramento, CA 95814 or Regional Oral History Office 486 Library University of California Berkeley, CA 94720 The request should include identification of the specific passages and identification of the user. It is recommended that this oral history be cited as follows: Paul Gann, Oral History Interview, Conducted 1987 and 1988 by Gabrielle Morris, Regional Oral History Office, University of California at Berkeley, for the California state Archives State Government Oral History Program. Information (916) 44.5-4293 California State Archives March Fong Eu Document Restoration (916) 44.5-4293 1020 0 Street, Room 130 Exhibit Hall (916) 44.5-0748 Secretary of State Legislative Bill Service (916) 44.5-2832 Sacramento, CA 95814 (prior years) PREFACE On September 25, 1985, Governor George Deukmejian signed into law A.B. 2104 (Chapter 965 of the Statutes of 1985). This legislation established, under the administration of the California State Archives, a State Government Oral History Program "to provide through the use of oral history a continuing documentation of state pOlicy development as reflected in California's legislative and executive history." The following interview is one of a series of oral histories undertaken for inclusion in the state program. These interviews offer insights into the actual workings of both the legislative and executive processes and policy mechanisms. They also offer an increased understanding of the men and women who create legislation and implement state policy. Further, they provide an overview of issue development in California state government and of how both the legislative and executive branches of government deal with issues and problems facing the state. Interviewees are chosen primarily on the basis of their contributions to and influence on the policy process of the state of California. They include members of the legislative and executive branches of the state government as well as legislative staff, advocates, members of the media, and other people who played significant roles in specific issue areas of major and continuing importance to California. By authorizing the California State Archives to work cooperatively with oral history units at California colleges and universities to conduct interviews, this program is structured to take advantage of the resources and expertise in oral history available through California's several institutionally based programs. Participating as cooperating institutions in the state Government Oral History Program are: Oral History Program History Department California state University, Fullerton Oral History Program Center for California Studies California state University, Sacramento Oral History Program Claremont Graduate School Regional Oral History Office The Bancroft Library University of California, Berkeley Oral History Program University of California, Los Angeles The establishment of the California state Archives State Government Oral History Program marks one of the most significant commitments made by any state toward the preservation and documentation of its governmental history. It supplements the often fragmentary historical written record by adding an organized primary source, enriching the historical information available on given topics and allowing for more thorough historical analysis. As such, the program, through the preservation and pUblication-of interviews such as the one which follows, will be of lasting value to current and future generations of scholars, citizens, and leaders. John F. Burns State Archivist July 27, 1988 This interview is printed on acid-free paper. PAUL GANN TABLE OF OONTENTS INTERVIEW HISTORY i BlOG RAPHI CAL SUMMARY ii I POLITICAL BACKGRaJND 1 [Session 1. September 28. 1987. Tape 1. Side A] 1 Southern Rural Childhood; Lessons from Parents 1 Reducing Crime in Del Paso Heights. California 4 Lack of Confidence in Political Leadership; Initiative Ballot Measures 9 [Tape 1. Side B] 12 II EARLY DAYS OF PEOPLE'S ADVOCATE. INC•• 1974-1978 14 1960s Battles on Legislative Retirement Benefits 14 Joining Forces with HCMard Jarvis; Drafting Tax Limit Me as ure [Proposition 13. 1978] 17 Two Property-Tax Reform Measures on the 1978 Ballot 20 III LATER CRUSADES 25 Concern in 1987 for Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome [AIDS] 25 [Session 2. October 19.1987. Tape 2. Side A] 25 Court Tests of Prop. 13 26 IV QUAL IFYING INITIATIVE BALLOT MEASURES 28 Challenge to Victims' Bill of Rights [Proposition 8. 1982]; Verifying and Filing Petitions 28 Personal Security; Supporters; Finances 32 Working with Jarvis; Press Coverage; Voting Patterns 35 Contributions. Collecting Signatures; Advice-Seekers 37 [Tape 2. Side B] 37 V STATE SPENDING LIMIT: PROPOSITION 4. 1979 41 County Budget Problems; Further Effects of Prop. 13 41 Court Challenges. Pacific Legal Foundation 43 Assembly Speaker Willie BrCMn; Legislative-Reform Initiative [Proposition 24. 1984] 44 Ronald Reagan's Support for Spending Limits, 1973 and 1978; Teacher's Problems 47 Legislative Leaders Dan Boatwright and Leo McCarthy 49 [Tape 3, Side A] 49 VI u.S. SENATE CAMPAIGN, 1980 52 Need for Citizen Legislators 52 Committee to Cap the National Debt; Concerns about Congress and the Presidency 56 Aside on Highway Appropriations Initiative, 1987-1988 60 [Session 3, November 24, 1987, Tape 4, Side A] 60 Campaign Finances, Polls 62 Legislative and Republican Party Support; Staff Assistance 64 Opponent Alan Cranston; Cost vs. Quality of Public Services 68 VII ON:;OIN; POLITICAL CONCERNS 71 Gann Children as Campaigners 71 [Tape 4, Side B] 72 Origins of Victims' Bill of Rights 72 Selecting Issues for People's Advocate; Property Tax Inequities 75 Need for AIDS Legislation; Personal Experience 77 VIII AFTERTHOUGHTS 82 [Session 4, June 28, 1988, Tape 5, Side A] 82 Long Time Supporters 82 Modesto City Council Campaign, 1950s 84 Family Memories 85 INTERVIEW HISTORY Interviewer/Editor: Gabrielle Morris Director. University of California at Berkeley State Archives State Government Oral History Program Director. Ronald Reagan Gubernatorial Era Proj ect B.A. Connecticut College (economics) Graduate studies. Trinity College. Stanford University Interview Time and Place: September 28. 1987: People's Advocate. Inc.. office of Paul Gann. Sacramento. California. Session of one hour. October 19. 1987: People's Advocate. Inc•• office of Paul Gann, Sacramento. California. Session of one and one half hours. November 24. 1987: People's Advocate. Inc•• office of Paul Gann. Sacramento. California. Session of one hour. June 28. 1988: People's Advocate. Inc•• office of Paul Gann. Sacramento. California. Session of one half hour. Editing: Morris checked the verbatim manuscript of the interview against the original tape recordings. edited for punctuation. paragraphing. and spelling and verified proper names. Insertions by the editor are bracketed. The interviewer also prepared the introductory materials. On March 31. 1988. Mr. Gann was f orw arded a copy of the edited transcript for his approval. On June 28. 1988. the interviewer paid a follow-up call to determine the status of Gann's review. and a brief additional interview was recorded. In a telephone conversation on July 31. 1988. Ted Costa. Gann's aide. verbally gave Ganrrs approval for completion of the transcript from the Regional Oral History Office file copy. Papers Some records of People's Advocate. Inc.. and papers from Gann's 1980 campaign for the United States Senate are deposited in the State Library in Sacramento. California. These were consulted in preparing for the interview. Tapes and Interview Records The original tape recordings of the interviews are in the university archives at the University of California at Berkeley along with the records relating to the interview. Master tapes are preserved at the California State Archives in Sacramento. i BIOGRAPHI CAL SUMMARY Born in Glenn County, Arkansas, in 1912, Paul Gann was one of twelve children. His father was a Church of the Nazarene minister and part-time farmer; his mother a schoolteacher. Gann graduated from high school in 1928, but gave up a dream of college and law school because of hard times. He married in 1931, and in 1935 he and w He Nell moved to California where he was a salesman and automobile dealer and they raised four childre~ Although he was unable to enlist in the military in World War II due to a childhood horseback-riding inj ury that left him with chronic osteomyelitis, he worked for the Army Corps of Engineers as a civilia~ When the osteomyelitis recurred after a construction accident, Gann was treated with penicillin, then still in the experimental stage, and the bone inj ury was at last cured. In 1952 and 1956 he was a volunteer for fellow-southerner Estes Kefauver's campaigns for the