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Dáil Éireann Vol. 724 Thursday, No. 3 9 December 2010 DÍOSPÓIREACHTAÍ PARLAIMINTE PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES DÁIL ÉIREANN TUAIRISC OIFIGIÚIL—Neamhcheartaithe (OFFICIAL REPORT—Unrevised) Thursday, 9 December 2010. Order of Business ……………………………… 587 Estimates for Public Services 2010 ………………………… 605 Vote 25 — Environment, Heritage and Local Government (Supplementary) ………… 605 National Economic and Social Council (Alteration of Composition) Order 2010: Motion … … … 605 Prevention of Corruption (Amendment) Bill 2008: From the Seanad …………… 605 Social Welfare Bill 2010: Second Stage (resumed) …………………………… 606 Committee and Remaining Stages ……………………… 635 Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2010: Order for Second Stage … … 669 Business of Dáil: Motion …………………………… 671 Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2010: Second Stage … … … 671 Questions: Written Answers …………………………… 703 DÁIL ÉIREANN ———— Déardaoin, 9 Nollaig 2010. Thursday, 9 December 2010. ———— Chuaigh an Ceann Comhairle i gceannas ar 10.30 a.m. ———— Paidir. Prayer. ———— Order of Business The Tánaiste: It is proposed to take No. 35a, Supplementary Estimate [Vote 25], back from committee; No. 8, motion re proposed approval by Dáil Éireann of the National Economic and Social Council (Alteration of Composition) Order 2010; No. 1, Prevention of Corruption (Amendment) Bill 2008 — amendments from the Seanad; No. a4, Social Welfare Bill 2010 — Second Stage (resumed) and Remaining Stages; and No. b4, Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2010 — Order for Second Stage and Second Stage. It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that the Dáil shall sit later than 4.45 p.m. today and business shall be interrupted not later than 8 p.m.; Nos. 35a and 8 shall be decided without debate and any division demanded on No. 35a shall be taken forthwith; the following arrangements shall apply in relation to No. a4: the proceedings on the resumed Second Stage shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at 2 p.m. today and the proceedings on the Committee and Remaining Stages shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at 4.45 p.m. today by one question which shall be put from the Chair and which shall, in relation to amendments, include only those set down or accepted by the Minister for Social Protection; the Dáil shall sit tomorrow at 10.30 a.m. and shall adjourn not later than 1 p.m., there shall be no Order of Business within the meaning of Standing Order 26 and, accordingly, the following business shall be transacted: No. b4, Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Bill 2010 — Second Stage (resumed) and Remaining Stages, the proceedings on the resumed Second Stage shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at 11 a.m. and the proceedings on the Committee and Remaining Stages shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at 1 p.m. by one question which shall be put from the Chair and which shall, in relation to amendments, include only those set down or accepted by the Minister for Finance. An Ceann Comhairle: There are four proposals to be put to the House. Is the proposal that the Dáil shall sit later than 4.45 p.m. agreed to? Deputy Eamon Gilmore: Before we deal with any of the business today, we need to get clarity from the Government with regard to its own future. On 22 November the Green Party announced that it intended to withdraw from Government after the budget and the associated financial legislation was passed, and that there would be a general election at the end of January. 587 Order of 9 December 2010. Business Deputy Seymour Crawford: They are already gone. Deputy Eamon Gilmore: The Taoiseach subsequently said it was his intention to dissolve the Dáil when the budgetary measures had been enacted and that therefore there would be an election, presumably, in February. From news reports this morning it would appear that the Green Party Members have changed their minds again and have now found a new basis on which to prolong the life of the Fianna Fáil-led Government. Deputy Brendan Howlin: Ne’er a green around. Deputy Fergus O’Dowd: Putting the green bottles back up on the wall again, all six of them. Deputy Eamon Gilmore: What is the exact position here? When will the Government be brought to a conclusion? When will the general election—— A Deputy: Here is Deputy Gogarty. Deputy Fergus O’Dowd: He is listening to Spin FM. A Deputy: He is talking to the Minister, Deputy Gormley. Deputy Brendan Howlin: He is ready to be electrocuted. A Deputy: He is on life support in the ears. An Ceann Comhairle: Deputies, please. Deputy Eamon Gilmore: Can the Tánaiste tell us to what planet the Green Party Members are wired today? Deputy Paul Gogarty: I was listening to the Deputy on the phone. An Ceann Comhairle: We will not have a full-scale debate on this matter. We are dealing with the Order of Business. I call the Tánaiste to give a brief response. The Tánaiste: I thought we were to refer to the Supplementary Estimate, which I wish to move. As the Taoiseach has said, the general election will be in 2011. Post-budgetary measures will need to be addressed here in the House and we are working towards a legislative process at which stage the Taoiseach will then decide the date of the general election. An Ceann Comhairle: Tá go maith. Is the—— Deputy Eamon Gilmore: There is a serious—— An Ceann Comhairle: The Deputy is not allowed to come in a second time on the Order of Business on such a matter. There are four items to be dealt with. Deputy Eamon Gilmore: We have a new date for the general election, called 2011. We know from experience—— An Ceann Comhairle: Deputy, please. Deputy Eamon Gilmore: ——that when the Government states 2011, it usually means the end of 2011. Deputy Timmy Dooley: We are giving the Opposition a chance to—— 588 Order of 9 December 2010. Business An Ceann Comhairle: We will not have a debate on it at this time. Is the proposal that the Dáil shall sit later than 4.45 p.m. agreed to? Agreed. Is the proposal for dealing with No. 35a Supplementary Estimate [Vote 25] and No. 8, motion re proposed approval by Dáil Éireann of the National Economic and Social Council (Alteration of Composition) Order 2010 without debate agreed to? Agreed. Is the proposal for dealing with No. a4, Social Welfare Bill 2010 — Second Stage (resumed) and Remaining Stages agreed to? Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: It is not agreed. Deputy James Reilly: This is not agreed. The Government is again using guillotines to shorten the debate on one of the most appalling Social Welfare Bills to come before the House. It wants to take money away from carers and blind people. We have calculated what would be saved by taking this money from 3,000 blind people. An Ceann Comhairle: This is a procedural issue to deal with the arrangements. Deputy James Reilly: I am very much dealing with the arrangements and I want to speak about the rationale behind our opposition to the arrangements. This is a matter that infuriates the country. That for the sake of €1.25 million—— An Ceann Comhairle: Deputy Reilly, please. Deputy James Reilly: ——blind people will have their pension reduced—— An Ceann Comhairle: The Deputy or his party’s spokesperson on this area will have an opportunity to have an input into the debate. Deputy James Reilly: ——which may reduce their ability to be independent. Deputy Noel J. Coonan: Good man, James. Deputy Alan Shatter: The Ceann Comhairle does not talk over Deputy Gilmore the way he consistently talks over Members sitting on these benches. An Ceann Comhairle: Deputy Shatter, please. Deputy Alan Shatter: He does it every single day on the Order of Business. An Ceann Comhairle: Deputy Shatter, please. Deputy Alan Shatter: He should contain himself occasionally. An Ceann Comhairle: Deputy Shatter, it is in the interests of maintaining proper order in the House. Deputy Alan Shatter: The Ceann Comhairle creates the disorder. An Ceann Comhairle: Will the Deputy allow his party’s deputy leader to continue? Deputy James Reilly: I will proceed if the Ceann Comhairle would allow me. The bottom line is that this is being done for the sake of a miserly €90 million; out of €6,000 million, it is unbelievable that this €90 million could not be found somewhere else—— Deputy Noel J. Coonan: That is small change for the Minister. 589 Order of 9 December 2010. Business Deputy James Reilly: ——such as through drug reference pricing. Deputy Noel J. Coonan: It is small change. Deputy James Reilly: The Minister for Health and Children, who is across the floor of the Chamber, scoffed in July at the thought of hundreds of millions of euro being made available through drugs savings but she issued a press release yesterday or the day before stating that this is what she intends to do. Deputy Fergus O’Dowd: Hear, hear. Deputy James Reilly: Why does she have wait until the IMF was not only at the door but sitting in the parlour before she acts? It is same with everything with this Government; it always too little and far too late. Deputy Fergus O’Dowd: Hear, hear. Deputy James Reilly: There is much anger in the country about this. Only five Opposition Deputies have had a chance to speak on this Bill. Deputy Kieran O’Donnell: Hear. hear. Deputy James Reilly: We want more time to discuss it. We want more time for members of the Government to explain their rationale and perhaps examine their conscience on why they are going to go after carers who save this State hundreds of millions of euro by looking after their loved ones at home.
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