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Parliamentary Debates House of Commons Official Report General Committees PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICIAL REPORT GENERAL COMMITTEES Public Bill Committee PARENTAL BEREAVEMENT (LEAVE AND PAY) BILL First Sitting Wednesday 31 January 2018 CONTENTS Sittings motion agreed to. CLAUSES 1 AND 2 agreed to. New clause considered. SCHEDULE under consideration when the Committee adjourned till Wednesday 7 February at Two o’clock. PBC (Bill 14) 2017 - 2019 No proofs can be supplied. Corrections that Members suggest for the final version of the report should be clearly marked in a copy of the report—not telephoned—and must be received in the Editor’s Room, House of Commons, not later than Sunday 4 February 2018 © Parliamentary Copyright House of Commons 2018 This publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Open Parliament licence, which is published at www.parliament.uk/site-information/copyright/. 1 Public Bill Committee31 JANUARY 2018 Parental Bereavement (Leave and 2 Pay) Bill The Committee consisted of the following Members: Chair: JAMES GRAY † Antoniazzi, Tonia (Gower) (Lab) † Masterton, Paul (East Renfrewshire) (Con) † Argar, Edward (Charnwood) (Con) † Newlands, Gavin (Paisley and Renfrewshire North) † Gibson, Patricia (North Ayrshire and Arran) (SNP) (SNP) † Griffiths, Andrew (Parliamentary Under-Secretary † Pidcock, Laura (North West Durham) (Lab) of State for Business, Energy and Industrial † Prentis, Victoria (Banbury) (Con) Strategy) † Quince, Will (Colchester) (Con) † Sandbach, Antoinette (Eddisbury) (Con) † Harris, Carolyn (Swansea East) (Lab) † Soames, Sir Nicholas (Mid Sussex) (Con) † Hollinrake, Kevin (Thirsk and Malton) (Con) † Yasin, Mohammad (Bedford) (Lab) † Johnson, Diana (Kingston upon Hull North) (Lab) † Jones, Andrew (Harrogate and Knaresborough) Farrah Bhatti, Committee Clerk (Con) † Linden, David (Glasgow East) (SNP) † attended the Committee 3 Public Bill CommitteeHOUSE OF COMMONS Parental Bereavement (Leave and 4 Pay) Bill been done in this Parliament and the previous one to Public Bill Committee ensure that this important piece of legislation comes forward. Wednesday 31 January 2018 Many charities have been in touch to express their support for the Bill, such as Child Bereavement UK, [JAMES GRAY in the Chair] Bliss, Together for Short Lives and Jack’s Rainbow, as Parental Bereavement (Leave and Pay) well as the all-party parliamentary group on baby loss, the all-party parliamentary group for children who Bill need palliative care, and my constituents, Annika and James Dowson, who first drew my attention to their 2 pm terrible tragedy with their daughter, Gypsy, who was The Chair: I welcome the Committee to this stage of stillborn. They—like many people in such situations—have the hon. Member for Thirsk and Malton’sprivate Member’s found a way to channel their grief by using their efforts Bill. My inclination is to apply the same rules on to alleviate the suffering of others in the same situation. general behaviour in Committee as we do in the main In their case, they have raised much money for the Chamber as regards dress, not drinking coffee and all bereavement suite at Scarborough hospital. those things, as well as the normal procedures and I am also grateful for the cross-party co-operation courtesies, if that is all right by everybody. we have seen—we are all keen for the Bill to progress. Before we do anything else, we need to deal with the Many other people have been involved, including the sittings motion, which stands in the promoter’s name. parliamentary digital outreach team, who helped us to Resolved, get in touch with many people who have suffered these That, if proceedings on the Parental Bereavement (Leave and terrible tragedies and let us learn of their experiences. Pay) Bill are not completed at this day’s sitting, the Committee The Bill puts on the statute book for the very first shall meet on Wednesdays while the House is sitting at 2.00 pm.— (Kevin Hollinrake.) time that parents will have a day-one entitlement to two weeks’ leave if they should suffer this tragedy. We talked The Chair: On the basis of that motion, and given to many people about this Bill, and when we explain its that the required notice period for amendments in Public provisions, people say, “Why is that not the case already?” Bill Committees is three working days, amendments That is a good start to introducing new legislation; there should be tabled by the rise on the House on Fridays for is clearly something wrong when such legislation does consideration on Wednesdays. Therefore, the deadline not exist already. for any amendments for consideration next Wednesday The entitlement is for a child below the age of 18. I is this coming Friday. If possible, submit amendments know that there are some amendments that we will prior to that. As a general rule, I will not call starred debate, which ask whether we have all the provisions in amendments that have not been tabled with adequate the Bill in the right place. I am very keen to hear from notice. If you want amendments to be discussed next members of the Committee about whether the current Wednesday, get them tabled by Friday. qualifying criteria are correct. We come to line-by-line consideration of the Bill. As There is also the rate of pay for this leave. After neither clause 1 nor 2 is to be amended, my inclination 26 weeks, there is an entitlement to statutory pay—£141 a is to have a stand part debate on them both, rather like a week, or 90% of earnings. There is also flexibility in Second Reading debate, and then move on to the more taking the leave—those two weeks over the first eight-week detailed stuff. period. Again, I know that is something we need to discuss in this Committee. Clause 1 Wewill also consider eligibility.Is the leave for biological parents, or for a wider group of people who come under PARENTAL BEREAVEMENT LEAVE AND PAY that umbrella term, “parents”? These days, of course, Question proposed, That the clause stand part of people tend to have a number of parental figures in the Bill. their life and we need to take time to consider such The Chair: With this it will be convenient to discuss points properly. clause 2 stand part. I think that we are all aware of the fragility of the private Member’s Bill process. We are delighted to have Kevin Hollinrake (Thirsk and Malton) (Con): It is a Government support for this Bill, but we are very keen pleasure, as always, to serve under your chairmanship, to ensure that we get it through at the earliest opportunity, Mr Gray. I will set out briefly the purpose of the Bill. so that those people who have lost children receive the No one would doubt that losing a child is the most support they need. harrowing experience for any parent. It is the thing we On examination of the Bill, all hon. Members will dread most. As a father of four,I know that is every mother have noticed, of course, that clause 1 is uncontroversial or father’s worst fear, and one that never goes away. and simply allows for consideration of the substance of First, I pay tribute to members of the Committee, in the Bill—the schedule that is referred to. Clause 2 is just particular, my hon. Friends the Members for Banbury a procedural clause, which provides for the date on and for Eddisbury and the hon. Member for North Ayrshire which the Bill will come into force, the extent of any and Arran—and, of course, I pay tribute to my hon. amendment or appeal as set out in the schedule, and the Friend the Member for Colchester for his incredible short title of the Bill. work in this area. I am fortunate to have the opportunity With your agreement, Mr Gray, I propose that we do hopefully to carry the Bill through to its final stages, not dwell on clause 2 and instead move on to the and I am keen to do so as quickly as possible to ensure substance of the Bill, which is in the schedule, once we that we get it over the line. So much good work has have considered the proposed new clause. 5 Public Bill Committee31 JANUARY 2018 Parental Bereavement (Leave and 6 Pay) Bill The Chair: I call Laura Pidcock to speak. It would be Why is this issue so important to me? It is important helpful if Members who wish to speak stand up. because it is personal. Having gone through the experience of losing a child in 2014, I saw the impact that it had on not just me but the wider family, and my wife in Laura Pidcock (North West Durham) (Lab): Thank particular. We had all the protections that come with a you very much, Mr Gray, for calling me to speak. It is a stillbirth: the full rights of maternity and paternity, pleasure to come to this Committee and work on this which do not exist for those who lose a child after six or Bill, which is the first Bill that I will consider in my new seven months. role. The hon. Member for Thirsk and Malton has outlined what the clauses do; I will not repeat that. I will When I joined Parliament I started researching this just say that I support the purpose of the clauses. subject and looking at why there was this gap in provision and no statutory protection. I came across a similar Bill The hon. Gentleman also said that the fact that this that was introduced back in 2013 by the former Member legislation does not exist already is almost unbelievable; for Glasgow South, Tom Harris.
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