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Alberta Hansard Province of Alberta The 27th Legislature Second Session Alberta Hansard Monday evening, June 1, 2009 Issue 47e The Honourable Kenneth R. Kowalski, Speaker Legislative Assembly of Alberta The 27th Legislature Second Session Kowalski, Hon. Ken, Barrhead-Morinville-Westlock, Speaker Cao, Wayne C.N., Calgary-Fort, Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees Mitzel, Len, Cypress-Medicine Hat, Deputy Chair of Committees Ady, Hon. Cindy, Calgary-Shaw (PC), Leskiw, Genia, Bonnyville-Cold Lake (PC) Minister of Tourism, Parks and Recreation Liepert, Hon. Ron, Calgary-West (PC), Allred, Ken, St. Albert (PC) Minister of Health and Wellness Amery, Moe, Calgary-East (PC) Lindsay, Hon. Fred, Stony Plain (PC), Anderson, Rob, Airdrie-Chestermere (PC), Solicitor General and Minister of Public Security Parliamentary Assistant, Solicitor General and Public Security Lukaszuk, Thomas A., Edmonton-Castle Downs (PC), Benito, Carl, Edmonton-Mill Woods (PC) Parliamentary Assistant, Municipal Affairs Berger, Evan, Livingstone-Macleod (PC), Lund, Ty, Rocky Mountain House (PC) Parliamentary Assistant, Sustainable Resource Development MacDonald, Hugh, Edmonton-Gold Bar (AL) Bhardwaj, Naresh, Edmonton-Ellerslie (PC) Marz, Richard, Olds-Didsbury-Three Hills (PC) Bhullar, Manmeet Singh, Calgary-Montrose (PC), Mason, Brian, Edmonton-Highlands-Norwood (NDP), Parliamentary Assistant, Advanced Education Leader of the NDP Opposition and Technology McFarland, Barry, Little Bow (PC) Blackett, Hon. Lindsay, Calgary-North West (PC), McQueen, Diana, Drayton Valley-Calmar (PC), Minister of Culture and Community Spirit Parliamentary Assistant, Environment Blakeman, Laurie, Edmonton-Centre (AL), Morton, Hon. F.L., Foothills-Rocky View (PC), Deputy Leader of the Official Opposition Minister of Sustainable Resource Development Official Opposition House Leader Notley, Rachel, Edmonton-Strathcona (NDP), Boutilier, Guy C., Fort McMurray-Wood Buffalo (PC) Deputy Leader of the NDP Opposition, Brown, Dr. Neil, QC, Calgary-Nose Hill (PC) NDP Opposition House Leader Calahasen, Pearl, Lesser Slave Lake (PC) Oberle, Frank, Peace River (PC), Campbell, Robin, West Yellowhead (PC), Government Whip Deputy Government Whip Olson, Verlyn, QC, Wetaskiwin-Camrose (PC) Chase, Harry B., Calgary-Varsity (AL), Ouellette, Hon. Luke, Innisfail-Sylvan Lake (PC), Official Opposition Whip Minister of Transportation Dallas, Cal, Red Deer-South (PC) Pastoor, Bridget Brennan, Lethbridge-East (AL), Danyluk, Hon. Ray, Lac La Biche-St. Paul (PC), Deputy Official Opposition Whip Minister of Municipal Affairs Prins, Ray, Lacombe-Ponoka (PC) DeLong, Alana, Calgary-Bow (PC) Quest, Dave, Strathcona (PC) Denis, Jonathan, Calgary-Egmont (PC) Redford, Hon. Alison M., QC, Calgary-Elbow (PC), Doerksen, Arno, Strathmore-Brooks (PC) Minister of Justice and Attorney General Drysdale, Wayne, Grande Prairie-Wapiti (PC) Renner, Hon. Rob, Medicine Hat (PC), Elniski, Doug, Edmonton-Calder (PC) Minister of Environment, Deputy Government House Leader Evans, Hon. Iris, Sherwood Park (PC), Rodney, Dave, Calgary-Lougheed (PC) Minister of Finance and Enterprise Rogers, George, Leduc-Beaumont-Devon (PC) Fawcett, Kyle, Calgary-North Hill (PC) Sandhu, Peter, Edmonton-Manning (PC) Forsyth, Heather, Calgary-Fish Creek (PC) Sarich, Janice, Edmonton-Decore (PC), Fritz, Hon. Yvonne, Calgary-Cross (PC), Parliamentary Assistant, Education Minister of Housing and Urban Affairs Sherman, Dr. Raj, Edmonton-Meadowlark (PC), Goudreau, Hon. Hector G., Dunvegan-Central Peace (PC), Parliamentary Assistant, Health and Wellness Minister of Employment and Immigration Snelgrove, Hon. Lloyd, Vermilion-Lloydminster (PC), Griffiths, Doug, Battle River-Wainwright (PC), President of the Treasury Board Parliamentary Assistant, Agriculture and Rural Development Stelmach, Hon. Ed, Fort Saskatchewan-Vegreville (PC), Groeneveld, Hon. George, Highwood (PC), Premier, President of Executive Council Minister of Agriculture and Rural Development Swann, Dr. David, Calgary-Mountain View (AL), Hancock, Hon. Dave, QC, Edmonton-Whitemud (PC), Leader of the Official Opposition Minister of Education, Government House Leader Taft, Dr. Kevin, Edmonton-Riverview (AL) Hayden, Hon. Jack, Drumheller-Stettler (PC), Tarchuk, Hon. Janis, Banff-Cochrane (PC), Minister of Infrastructure Minister of Children and Youth Services Hehr, Kent, Calgary-Buffalo (AL) Taylor, Dave, Calgary-Currie (AL) Horne, Fred, Edmonton-Rutherford (PC) VanderBurg, George, Whitecourt-Ste. Anne (PC) Horner, Hon. Doug, Spruce Grove-Sturgeon-St. Albert (PC), Vandermeer, Tony, Edmonton-Beverly-Clareview (PC) Minister of Advanced Education and Technology Weadick, Greg, Lethbridge-West (PC) Jablonski, Hon. Mary Anne, Red Deer-North (PC), Webber, Len, Calgary-Foothills (PC), Minister of Seniors and Community Supports Parliamentary Assistant, Energy Jacobs, Broyce, Cardston-Taber-Warner (PC) Woo-Paw, Teresa, Calgary-Mackay (PC) Johnson, Jeff, Athabasca-Redwater (PC) Xiao, David H., Edmonton-McClung (PC), Johnston, Art, Calgary-Hays (PC) Parliamentary Assistant, Employment and Immigration Kang, Darshan S., Calgary-McCall (AL) Zwozdesky, Hon. Gene, Edmonton-Mill Creek (PC), Klimchuk, Hon. Heather, Edmonton-Glenora (PC), Minister of Aboriginal Relations, Minister of Service Alberta Deputy Government House Leader Knight, Hon. Mel, Grande Prairie-Smoky (PC), Minister of Energy Officers and Officials of the Legislative Assembly Clerk W.J. David McNeil Senior Parliamentary Counsel Shannon Dean Clerk Assistant/ Sergeant-at-Arms Brian G. Hodgson Director of House Services Louise J. Kamuchik Assistant Sergeant-at-Arms J. Ed Richard Clerk of Journals/Table Research Micheline S. Gravel Assistant Sergeant-at-Arms William C. Semple Senior Parliamentary Counsel Robert H. Reynolds, QC Managing Editor of Alberta Hansard Liz Sim June 1, 2009 Alberta Hansard 1447 Legislative Assembly of Alberta I’d encourage all of my colleagues in the Legislature to fully Title: Monday, June 1, 2009 7:30 p.m. support third reading of Bill 25. Thank you. 7:30 p.m. Monday, June 1, 2009 The Deputy Speaker: Hon. members, it has just occurred to the [The Deputy Speaker in the chair] chair that this bill is about the teachers’ pension. There was a note from the Ethics Commissioner that if whoever is present in the The Deputy Speaker: Please be seated. Chamber has a conflict of interest, please declare and absent yourself Hon. members, I wish to have unanimous consent to revert to from the Assembly, from the debate. introductions briefly. Mr. Olson: Mr. Speaker, I have a conflict, and I’ll withdraw and not [Unanimous consent granted] take part in the debate or the vote. head: Introduction of Guests The Deputy Speaker: Okay, hon. Member for Wetaskiwin- The Deputy Speaker: The hon. Member for Edmonton-Castle Camrose. Downs. The hon. Member for Calgary-Varsity. Mr. Lukaszuk: Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you to all Mr. Chase: Thank you very much. As the Ethics Commissioner has members for allowing me to revert to introductions. With us today made it extremely clear in his ruling to this House that I do not have are two constituents from Edmonton-Castle Downs who are eagerly a conflict of interest even though I am a retired teacher in receipt of awaiting the debate on Bill 44 no matter what time of the night it a pension, I will proceed. However, I will not vote on this although may come. One of them is Mr. John Winslow, owner and operator the Ethics Commissioner has indicated that I have every right to vote of JRW Logistics, a safety professional and a very active blogger on Bill 25. When it first came up, I indicated that I would not be and a Twitterer as well. Cellphones are not allowed up there, so he voting on this particular bill, but I will put forward some comments. won’t be twittering, but he’ll be listening. His partner, Richard I’m extremely supportive of Bill 25. It’s the right thing. It should LeSueur, resource development co-ordinator of the Alberta Food have been done decades ago. [interjections] Bank Network, is also involved with Kiwanis in Edmonton and with the Heritage Festival. I welcome both of these constituents. They’re The Deputy Speaker: Hon. members, the hon. Member for already standing. I’d ask the Assembly to extend a warm welcome. Calgary-Varsity has the floor. Please continue. head: Government Bills and Orders Third Reading Mr. Chase: Thank you. As I indicated, Bill 25 is a very good piece of legislation which should have been resolved decades ago. Had it Bill 25 been resolved decades ago, if the government had lived up to its Teachers’ Pension Plans Amendment Act, 2009 portion of the unfunded liability, the debt associated with the The Deputy Speaker: The hon. Member for Olds-Didsbury-Three unfunded liability would not be at $8.6 billion at this particular time. Hills. This bill solved a lot of problems. It created labour peace for five years for students, teachers, and parents. It recognized the value of Mr. Marz: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m pleased to rise this teachers both in terms of their pensions and also in terms of their evening to move third reading of Bill 25. right to receive a wage raise equivalent to those that MLAs had been The Teachers’ Pension Plans Amendment Act, 2009, legally receiving, the difference being that MLAs to a large extent voted for transfers the pre-1992 unfunded liability to government effective their own increases whereas teachers were subject to the collective September 1, 2009. The amendment act will also incorporate bargaining process. changes to the payment and governance arrangements
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