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Oral Answers to Questions- ·Starred Questions Nos. 91 to 93 1-29 Written Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 94 to 120 29-51 Un starred Questions Nos 560 to 656, 658 to 667, 669, 671, 672, 675 to 699, 701 to 712, 714 to 719, 724 to 737 and 741 to 758 51-205 Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance- Reported talk at the Indian Law Institute by a senior civil servant on current political-cum-constitutional problems. 205-08 Papers Laid on the Table 208-211 Estimates Committee- Sixty-sixth Report 211-12 Public Accounts Committee- Forty-third Report 212 Committee on Public Undertakings- Twenty-fifth Report 212 Business of the House 212-13 Motion of Thanks on President's Addr." 213-278 Shri Mrityunjay Prasad 213-27 Shri Bal Raj Madhok 227-47 Shri Prem Chand Verma 247-58 Shri S. K. Sambandan 258-64 Shrimati Sudha V. Reddy 264-269 Shri Yogendra Sharma 269-278 Committee on Private Members Bills and Resolutions Forty-third report 278-292 adopted, as amended ... Bills Introduced- (I) The Indian Penal Code (Amendment) Bill, 1968. 292-293 (/nurtion of n~H' .,~clion /2/ B) by Shri Kanwar Lal Gupta. (2) The Constitution (Amendment) Bill, 1968. 293 (Substitution of article 43) by Shri Kanwar Lal Gupta. (3) The Constitution (Amendment) Bill, 1968. 293 (Amemiment of articl~s 75 and /(4) by Shri Kanwar Lal Gupta. (4) The Income-ta. (Amendment) Bill, 1969. (A""mdment of section SOC) by Shri S. S. Kothari "11Ie si.., + marked above the name of. Member indicates that the qllCltion was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member. ii

Columns (S) The Public Undertakings (Compulsory Approval of Agreements) Bill. 1969 by Shri S. S. Kothari. 294 (6) The Gold (Control) Amendment Bill. 1969. (Amendment of sections /6. 27. etc.) by Shri Benoy Krishna Daschowdhury. 294-295 (7) The Constitution (Amendment) Bill. 1969. (Amendment of articles 32 and 226) by Shri Tenneti Viswana- tham. 295 (8) The Constitution (Amendment) Bill. 1969. (Amendment of eighth Schedule) by Shri Bhogendra Jha .. 295-296 (9) The Constitution (Amendment) Bill. 1969. (Amendment of article 240 and First Schedllle) by Shri Benoy Krishna Daschowdhury. 296 (10) The Food Corporations (Amendment) Bill. 1969. (Substitllti,," of sectiOiI 34) by Shri C. C. Desai. 296 (II) The Central ni~sitis (Students' Participation) Rill, 1969 by Shri Madhu Limaye. 297 (12) The University Grants Commission (Amendment) Bill. 1969 (lmertion of IIelV sectivII 12A etc.) by Shri Madhu Limaye. 297 (13) The Representation of the People. (Amel/dment) Bill. 1969 (Amendme"t of seclio" 61) by Shri Maharaj Singh Bharati. 297-298

(14) The Adoption of Religion Bill. 1969. by Shri Maharaj Singh Bharati. 298 Constitution (Amendment) Bill. (Amendment of articles 80 and 17/) by Shri C. C. Desai. 298-340 Motion to Consider. Shri C. C. Desai 298-303 Shri S. Kandappan 304-306 Shri Kanwar Lal Gupta 306-310 Shri Randhir Singh 310-31S Shri P. Ramamurti 315-320 Shri S. M. Krishna 320-321 Shri Sheo Narain 321-324 Shri Sarjoo Pandey 324-325 Shri Lobo Prabhu 326-329 Shri M rityunjay Prasad 329-331 Shri K. Lakkappa 331-332 Shri Govinda Menon 332-338 Withdrawal by Member of certain remarks made by him durill/l ques- tion hour. 304 Withdrawal of notice of Privilqe Motion. 306 LOK SABHA DEBATES

2 LOKSABHA for all purposes as on 1-8-1966 at the 12 monthly averaae level, 175 of Friday, February 21, 1969/ Phalguna 2, the All India Averaae workina Class 1890 (Saka) Consumer Price Index (General) (1949-100).

The Lok SaMa met at Eleven of the (ii) Facilities to recognised unions/ Clock. associations of Central Government employees like the grant of special [MR. SPEAKER in the Chair] casual leave to office bearers for participation in the activities of the ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS unions/associations, the facUity to the Chief Executive of the union Meeting of National Council of Joint or its General Secretary of Seeklna Consultative Machinery transfer to the headquarters of the + appropriate head of the administra- *91. SHRI N. K. SANGHI : tion, and deputation on foreilD SHRI R. R. SINGH DEO : service of elected office bearers of SHRI P. C. ADICHAN : unions/associations. SHRI HIMATSINGKA : (c) Orders regarding merler of dear- SHRI Y. A. PRASAD: ness allowance with pay have already SHRI RAMACHANDRA been issued. Orders regardinl facilities VEERAPPA: to recognised unions/associations on the basis of the decision in the Council will Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be issued shortly. be pleased to state: SHRI N. K. SANGHI : Prices are (a) Whether it is a fact that a meeting aallopina for the last 20 years to a point of the National Council of the Joint Con- of no return. May I know from the hon. sultative Machinery was held in December, Minister if a request has been made by 1968 regarding the demands of the Central the Central Government employees for Government Employees; revising the present formula of fixinl dearness allowance as there has been a (b) if so, the decisions taken in the lot of criticism before and, In cue the meetina; and Government has made any studies, (c) by which time these decisions whether Government have any proposal will be implemented ? by which the existina formula of ftxlna dCllJ1lClS allowance is proposed to be THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE replaced ? MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI K. S. RAMASWAMI): (a) Yes, SHRI K. S. RAMASWAMY: This Sir. matter was also considered by the Na- tional Council but a decision had been (b) Final decisions were taken on the deferred. followina two items :- SHRI N. K. SANGHI : Employees (I) FuU IIICfICI' oC Dearness A lJowance Fltina above RI. 999 have been kept out with pay upto a basic pay of Rs.999/- of the purview of the Joint Consultative 3 Oral Answers FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Oral Answers 4

Machinery. May I know if the Govern- tunately, no decision was taken. Merely ment also proposes to set up some other because they participated in the strike, machinery by which employees getting their recognition was withdrawn. They above Rs. 999 can also be brought within were not allowed to attend the J. C. M. the purview of this consideration; also, meeting. I protest against that. This whether for the employees of the State action was taken by the Home Ministry Governments, who are considered as third only to give some blood plasma to the class citizens and who never get parity most anaemic organisations which served with Central Government employees, their cause. Government has any machinery through which they can negotiate with State Go- Now, my question is whether it is a fact vernment to see that their employees are that this decision of merger of D. A. with also brought at par with the Central Pay has been at 170 points though the all- Government employees? India index at that time was 215 and. if so. what is the reason for that. Secondly. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE I would like to know whether it is a Fact MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS that out of 22 lakh Central Government (SHRI VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA): employees, nearly 40 per cent of the As far as employees getting a basic employees are going to be adversely affec- pay of more than Rs. 999 are ted because. excepting that some employees concerned, it is not that these emp- who are getting house rent allowance may loyees' case was not considered but when get more, those who are living in Govern- the question of full merger of dearness ment quarters may lose more and. iF so. allowance with pay was considered, only whether any action has been taken to see employees getting basic pay up to Rs. 999 that adverse effect does not take place. were considered and a decision taken. This is all that this particular National SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA: I Council meeting has done. would like to draw the attention of the hon. Member to clause 7 (I) of the J. C. SHRI HIMATSINGKA : Has the hon. M. which indicates that only the repre- Home Minister got an assurance From sentatives of such federations or unions the employees that they will abide by the which are recognised by the Government decisions arrived at in the consultative shall be invited or shall sit in the J. C. M. committee and, iF not, is there any good The members of the de-recognised unions. to have such a consultative committee? thereFore ......

SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA: SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Kindly un- When they participate in the National derstand my question. Council meeting and are party to a decision, it goes without saying that they MR. SPEAKER: Let him answer. will abide by the decisions taken.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Sir, beFore I SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Please read put my supplementary, I want to protest the clause. aaainst the gross injustice done to our Federations, that is, the National Federa- SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA: I tion of Posts and Telegraphs Employees. am reading the clause. It says: the All-India Railwaymen's Federation and the Confederation of Central Government "The staff side may consist of 260 Employees who were not allowed to attend members who will be nominated by the J. C. M. meeting on 27th December, the recognised organisations in the 1968 in spite of the Fact that there is no manner prescribed ... " provision in the constitution of the J. C. M. which debars a member who has been This envisap that the represeDtatives nominated or elected by a particular of those recognised unions which were de- orpnisation. This was broulht to the recollDised fol/owinl the illeaal strike were notice of the han. Minister. But, unfor- Dot to be invited. Therefore, they were Ora/ Answers PHALGUNA 2. 1890 (Saka) Ora/ Arrawers 6 not invited to come and participate in the J. C. M. meeting there was a proposal to Council meeti1lll. meet the Deputy Prime Minister. As far as the second point is concerned. it really As regards the second point. as I un- does not concern ·this Question which is derstand from the hon. Member. about before the House. If a separate notice is certain employees of Government who are given, I shall answer it. living in Government quarters and who might suffer some adverse consequences SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY: because of this. as their Pay will go up Does the hon. Minister not think that the because of the merger of D. A. with Pay, real purpose of this Joint Consultative in the matter of certain allowances, the Machinery would be defeated if repre- house rent allowance, the children allow- sentatives of all sections of labour do not ance and other allowances, we have taken participate in the deliberations? It appears up the matter with the Finance Ministry. from his reply that the de-recognised We want to settle it so that there is no unions' representatives were debarred from undue hardship to any section of the Cen- attending. acoordinll to rules. Since the tral Government employees because of atmosphere now is normal and they want this D. A. merger with pay. to prticipate in the discussions, would the Government consider the necessity of SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: On a point giving them recognition aaain SO that the of clarification. When the unions nomi- representatives can participate in these nated their representatives, they were discussions? recognised. Unless the National Council meeting is held and no-confidence is SHRI VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA: passed against them, they cannot be This is a question of recognition and de- excluded. I am putting it to the Minister recognition of unions. Those unions of through you. Sir. An unrepresentative the government servants which behaved in meeting of the Council was held. a responsible manner have not been de- recognised; only those which defied the SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI: , law passed by Parliament have been de- would like to know from the hon. Minis- recognised. In the National Committee. ter whether, after the meeting of the J. C. we do want the responsible representatives M. was over, the members also wanted to of workers to come and talk. We can meet the Deputy Prime Minister and the deal with only such people who are recol- Finance Minister, to settle the question nised by Government; we cannot deal with regard to the basis of agreement, as with unrecognised unions. to whether it should be at 175 points or l8S points because the price index at that time SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: You want us was 215. I would like to know whether to behave as underground Nagas! any discontent was expressed in the meet- ing and whether it was also decided that SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY: this matter will be again taken up after My question was whether the Government consultation with the Finance Minister would consider recognising those union. and it can be increased to 185 and, if so, again so that those representatives can what is the decision taken. Secondly, I participate in the discussions. would like to know from the hon. Minister whether any thought is being given to the SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA: idea that the average price index should We are not consideri1lll that matter. not be compiled yearly but quarterly be- cause the prices are increasing quarterly SHRI K. RAMANI: The hon. Minister and even monthly also so that the himself has qreod that the recognitlon of dearness allowance and other things shOUld some unions has been cancelled. There- be so adjusted. May I know whether fore, may I know with whom did they that proposal is before the Government? actually hold consultations? Which were the unions whic:h were represented in the SHRI V1DY A CHARAN SHUKLA: I meetina, how many representatives were am not aware of any move that after the there. and what was the percenl8Je of 7 Oral Answers FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Oral Answers 8 railway workers in India who were ~ amr ~ lfVfT ~ l~ ~ ~ represented? It is not clear that it was really not a representative one because the ~ lfVfT ~ I ~ fttmr if m majority of the workers unions' amr lfVfT ~ ~ ~ ~ •.•.. representatives could not attend? 'Ii\" ~o ~o ifI1m: i3l"1"'f.t lfifT SHRI VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA: I ~ do not know what is the percentage of railway workers who were represented by the recognised unions and what is the "" ~ ~ : ~~ lfifT ~ percentage of railway workers who are ~ I ~ Wi'f!f;f ~ ~ amr represented by de-recognised unions. If lfVfT .~, ~ 1f ~ ~ 'i~o~o~~~~, ~ itl~~~ ~ ~ ~~ fiI; ~ ~ ~~

SHRI UMANATH: Of late. Mr. The hon. Member has made certain Golwalkar. the leader of the RSS has been references to the statements or speeches. conducting a vitriolic campaign and hate I have had occasion to have some of the campaign against the Muslims of this speeches of Guruji Golwalkar examined country. saying that they are Pakistani but the advice to me was that he could agents. Even recently in Delhi. at an not be prosecuted. I think the best intellectuals' meeting he had propounded course in this matter is to propagate very the idea that the Muslims s~l quit intensively the doctrine of secularism and India. This sort of hate campaign is the unity between the Hindus, Muslims being conducted throughout the country. and other communities in this country Secondly. this particular poison is being and thus defeat the gospel of the RSS in injected into the young minds every the field of ideas. morning and evening in the various shakhas of the RSS throughout the country. I SHRI UMANATH: Are Government aso understand that in the volunteer aware of the fact that in their training camps which are being conducted by the camps they are giving training in the use RSS they are giving training in use of of arms? dagger, sword, spear and such sort of weapons. and we have found in the recent SHRI Y. B. CHAV AN: Whoever may be killings throughout the country at various doing it, whether it is the RSS or others. places that these activities of the RSS, will certainly be resisted. the hate campaign as well as this training in the volunteer camps had been at the SHRI UMANATH: My question has not source of these killings. I would like to been answered. Let the hon. Minister know from Government whether in view have his own views. I want to know of these activities and the increasingly whether it is a fact and whether Govern- aggressive nature of such activities. any ment have received reports that in the special measures are contemplated by RSS volunteer camps they are IIVIDI Government to put down this hate camp- training in the use of dagger. spear and aign against the Muslims and also to other things, and if so. what action prevent such training in spear and other Government are going to take. sort of weapons in the volunteer camps. Or is it the case of Government that they SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN: I do not have should wait for some more killings of the any evidence about that. Muslims before they could take special measures or whether they will check these SHRI UMANATH : During the Ranchi activities in time especially after the riots in the Ranchi public undertakings experience of the Shiv Sena and other area a specific issue was raised that the things? RSS volunteers were parading in the open ground in front of the houses of the SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN: I do not think Muslims workers there. I had raised that the hon. Member alone has the this question here and Government had monopoly of protecting the interests of promised to look into it. I would like Muslims. Certainly. we are also very to know whether any action has been careful about these matters. and we do taken to stop such parades of the RSS attach importance to the protectIon of in the Ranchi public undertaking's area In 11 Ora/ Answers FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Ora/ Answers 12 front of the Muslim workers' houses prill'/Q facie the RSS is a non-political which results in intimidation, and if the cultural organisation without any parades have not been stopped, the reason hatred or ill-will towards the non- therefor. Hindus that and many eminent and respected persons in the country have SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN: I would require not hesitated to preside over its separate notice. functions or appreciate the work of its volunteers. In a country like ours .-ft" ~ '"'"': ~ ~ which has accepted the democratic itl~it~~ar~ way of life as ensured by the Consti- ~i ~ it ~r~,~ tution, it would not be within reason to accept the proposition that ~~'li~~~ ~~ mere membership of such peaceful ~l~~~ ~it or non-violent association and parti- cipation in its activities will render m<'I" ~ ~ ~ ~ 'Iinf ~ it a person, in whose character and W , I ~ S!"'Iil<: '1ft ~ ~i antecedents there are no other ~~~it~it defects unsuitable to the appoint- ment of the post of a munsif." ~ ~ ~, ~ <:mi ~ ~ it. 3T;;rro ~ aft;: ~rt ~ flfi1lT ~, ~ rotm 'liT miT- m (tt.mr am- ~ 'f.r \?T{ 'f.lit) ~ fu; ~ rn ~ f;;rt:!; 0lfTtfT1'!" ~ ~ tf;m;rr fw ~ f'f. al!':o ~o ~o iti~~ait~~ I ~ ~ m:m- ~ aft;: ~ it 1lTlT ".". ~~, ~ rotm ~r ~ it. ~ crf;;ro ~ 'liT ~ ~ '!if om: i!1It iF ~ ~ I ~ it. -rrq mq it ~ 4't ~ it ifiTlll'!" g3fT >:IT ~ ~ f.ru\"Q" ~ ~it crom it

the RSS activity is certainly doina harm IfiTt ffll': ~ill fl ;foft ~ ~, to the cause of national unity in this ~~lirn Country. I have no doubt about that in my mind, and, therefore, I think ~ ment are very much right in prohlbltmg SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN : The National Government servants from participating in Integration Council first looked into this those activities. As regards the recommen- aspect I think the hon. Member is dations of the Dayal Commission, I would right in sayina that some positive efforts require separate notice. through our education must be made to cultivate this attitude in the process MR. SPEAKER: Before I allow further of national integration. Education can be supplementary questions, I would like to a very important instrument in that. I tell the House that at least half a dozen think the Education Ministry is look ina Jan Sangh Members have written to me into this. that they would like to ask supplementary questions. I have got chits from Shri Hukam Chand Kachwai, Shri Kanwar Lal iii\' fI'i1' ~ 1fiPI1f : it;foft ~ Gupta, Shri Suraj Bhan and others. I it~~~~~~ ~ ~ would very much like to give chance to ~ ~ ~ ~ ~i ~ ~ Wro;:r l~ one or two of them; one or two of them could represent the party and ask a question ~ tfiT ~ ~ ~,l~ ~ I!ft ~ but not so many. It is very difficult to q'ffi<:r ~ >f.t ~ 'ro'l"U ~, call all of them. Therefore, I am going to t m give chance only to those who wrote to arrtm: T'f ifl': ~ ~ ;;ft >f.t ~ omf it %l!a i!'ffi g-'Z m ~ ~ ~ ~ aR1: ar~ oro ~ ~ ~ Wfl': 'to ~ ~ i!m ~ >f.t ~~ arh: ~~ l~~~ ~ 'to f'lf'l1ni ql1'f 'to;ff;r ~ am: 'fi'<:iIT ~ ~, ~ If>l ~' 'fi'<:iIT ~ ~ rliIT m ~ ~ 'fiT ~ ~' ~ I :;f\;f, ~ '~i am: lrt~ ~ ~ arh: 3l"f.r ~ qll'f ~ fufern- ;;it ~ f.t ~ ~it, 'to"ir 'to am: " ~ If>T SI''Ilnr ;:rtY;;r1f 'ffifT t ~ ~l ~ 'to lWi am: ~ 'to mn- ~l~~' ~i~ ~'toli ~ ~ T lI1fI' ~ ~ ~~~it, fit; ~ m m i\' 'I\fuf ~ !flTofT, ~ " 'to arnnm: it ~ if Wro;:r mn- oro ~,~ ...ror ~~ ~oi'i 'to ~ 'to 3m: ~ ~ am: t., am: ~ ~ ~ 3m: ~ ;,rnrr iii! ro;r arh: ~ ~ m lIlfttr m ~ iff ~ ~ ~ Wro;:r t fQ ~ ~ ~~~,~~~~ if ~ ~, l'I'P!Il 11ft i"lTm' i\' ~ ~ ~ §''Z ~ ~ ~oi'i If>T lIlfttr ~ ~ ~ 3f'fifT " ~ flI'hrm: ~ ~oi'irnri~~~tii' ~ m ~~~t ~or ~ ~r~, ~' ~ ~i.'' 1fiT m m i\' flfflit am firnt i\' ~ f1r«it, ~ ~ .~ n- am ~ ~li if am: m ~ !flT ~ '11fT t ? ~ ~ am ~ ~ FiT 11ft ~ mn- it;;rr n-, ~ n;n: If>T SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN: The bon. IS Oral Answers FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Oral Answers 16

Member has expressed his view, but lil~t I ~~~~ I must say I do not aaree with him. ;;fti!t ~ i~~~~'~ -t\' '''~ ~~, ~ ~~~, m .it~'it ~~~arrrl ~', ~tt~~i~ ~'i~~~t~ -t\' ~ono ~ ltln' ~ ~ !fit ~t ~ ~ m~ ~ iiI1 it~ ~~~ .ti~ ~ ~~arr~ ~'lt~ ~ am:o ~o ~o t% ~ am: t r.,i't 'ti'Ift 'ti'Ift ~ ifimIT t I ~ ai~ ~ ~i' ~ 1!iT fum ~ 'fiT ~ ~, to that extent it ~ ~, ~ m1f lIT ~, ~ is not congenial to national health, m ~it~~~~rii m ~tr.,i't~ ~ ~ ~ ~, ;;r;r it fcro g-arT ~ SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN : Yes, we have m m

~ liI11f ~ 3I'J"Utr ~ ~ ffi going to take apart from issuing pious ~ ~~r arrit? statements sometimes on these questions. SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN: What the hon. SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN: I do not deny Member said is right; Guru Golwalkar did the fundamental right of the hon. Mem- make a statement about chaturvarna and ber to ad angry but he should not deny it did create discontent and even resent- the fundamental right of others to dis- ment in large sections of people: it is very agree with me. He spoke about certain unfortunate that he decided to say so; laws. These are wrong analogies. In this only reftects the degenerate philosophy the matter of personal laws, etc, unfortu- he believes in. It is a suicidal approach nately there are laws like the Hindu Law they have taken in not merely dividing and the Muslim law. the Indians as Muslims and Hindus but dividing the Hindu community Itself "" ~ ~ ~ : t~ ~ further. I do not see any wisdom In fhr ~ !fli'i 11m fifilIT 'IT ? this.

"1111(1.. ;;mn: ~ ~ But I do not think any legal action can .n ..... be taken against this. I am sure public ifiT ~ ~ ~l I opinion in this country is so alive that It can certainly take care of such things. SHRI Y.B. CHAVAN: But what is more fundamental is the Constitution and ~ ltllT ~ ~ there is no Muslim Constitution or Hindu .n'ftft' ..."l"'Ii'd"'1 : Constitution. Similarly there is no Muslim ~ ~ ~ qn:o ~o ~o q'tl: troom nationalism or Hindu nationalism. There 1!t ~ ~ ~ 'ffli'Iii is only one nationalism the Indian mnt nationalism. &:f"l'llTU ~ ~ lIiT ~. ~it ~it m ~ ~ ~ ~ am: flif'lr-!' ~ SOME HON. MEMBERS rose- ~ oiT'if 'JUfT ~ ~ i~, lift ~ i~~~ll ~li'i~ MR. SPEAKER: I have called three Ian Sangh Members. Whatever he has to "I'Iffifr ~ say, he has said; you cannot change each other during the Question Hour. They SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN: We have certain may ask for a debate later on. I have information about it and in certain cases now to call others olso. on certain occasions, the State Government did take action against them. SHRI VASUDEVAN NAIR: I am not at aU interested in making any allegations. I should like to know whether the atten- "'" ~ ~ 1p.f'f;;f\' if iRi'- tion of the Government had been drawn ;;rn:rr fit; ~ ao~o~o ~ ~l to a recent statement by Guru Golwalkar ~ ~ ~ ft:l'f lIiT ~ ~ ~ not only against the minority community of Muslims but justifying the chaturvarna ~ ~ ~ tlr~ im ~ ~ fit; and the caste system. He has raised a ~~~~t~r~ furious controversy even among sections of the Hindu community. Was there a ~~~~~,,,, ~ ~lli demonstration led by Harijans apinst ~~ ~, r~rlli Guru Golwalkar in Nagpur recently? It ~ iIlN ~'rr ~ 75,000 liqi\' want to know whether the Government will wait till the time comes when the m;;rr;rr lIiT IlR ~ t ~

~ ~ ~ ~~t~~~ MR. SPEAKER: Order, order.

~ ~ ~~ ~ arrit ~ am SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY: ~ ~'ti ~ ~~~~ Sir, Mr. Madhok has assailed that ~ if; qn:o ~o ~o if; if; statement, and in doing so, he was calling m another Member a trai tor. That word ~ll~~~~~~~ "traitor" should not go on the records. ¥ft ~ ~ lIlT ;;rr W ~ at em ~ I think that must be expunged. ~~~~~ll~ SHRI EBRAHIM SULAIMAN SAlT: He must withdraw it. (Interruption). SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN: I think the Several hon. Members rose. hon. Member does not know what he i8 talking about. If it is a news agency MR. SPEAKER: Order, order. Let us it has nothing to do with the RSS. What resolve it peacefully. can I do if there are certain Members who believe in the RSS? They are What did Mr. Dwivedy say? please employed there. What can I ? If repeat. there are some Members of Parliament also who believe in the RSS, what can I SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY: do about it? What the hon. Member has said, Shri Madhok has repudiated that it is a false SHRI EBRAHIM SULAIMAN SAlT: statement, but I think it is too much to May I know from the hon. Home say that an hon. Member of the House Minister whether his attention has been is a traitor. That word should be drawn to the speeches made by a Member expunged. (Interruption). of this House, Shri Bal Raj Madhok, in the election campaign that Mussalmans Serveral hon. Members rose- cannot be considered as citizens of this country and unless they adopt Hindu Shri Bal Raj Madhok rose- culture and name their children after the Hindu herocs either they will be shot down like cats and dogs or driven out to MR. SPEAKER: I will call you, Mr. Pakistan. This has appeared in the Press. Madhok. Now, Mr. Ranga. SHRI RANG A: May I suggest that SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK: What he you will be pleased to expunge that is saying is absolutely a lie, is false, and question as well as all the matter that was is only a figment of his own imagination, said after it ? (Interruption) and such a man who talks lie in this House, is a traitor· to this country and a traitor to the Constitution. I protest and MR. SPEAKER: Order, order. Before I challenge anyone to prove it. (Interrup- proceeding further, if any Member has tion). They are liars and traitors. Such said that the other Member is a traitor, a lie will not be tolerated. (Interrup- if that word is there, I shall certainly see tion). that it is removed. There is absolutely no doubt about it. (Interruption). No please. I am still on my legs. SHRI UMANATH: Every Member of the House has got every right in this SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK: Let him House to express his opinion. withdraw his statement. He said, I said "traitors". I said "those who are SHRI EBRAHIM SULAIMAN SAlT: traitors". (Interruption). Those who are This, the papers have reported. traitors, they should be sent. I have never called him traitor. I said those who Several Hon. Members rose. are traitors to the country ...(lnterruption)

*These remarks were later withdrawn by the hon. Member--please see col. 302. 21 0,.01 Answers PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) Oral AlISlHrs 22

"'" ~~ l~ ~ ~ SHRI EBRAHIM SULAIMAN SAlT: I did not say that Mr. Madhok &aid It; ~~~~ al.t~ ~~ what I said was, it -appeared in the Press ~~ I like that. He can deny that. He has called me a traitor and he must withdraw MR. SPEAKER: There seems to be it. some misunderstanding. Nobody is a traitor in his House until he is proved to be guilty. MR. SPEAKER: He has said that he Everybody has a right to have his own called any member of the House a traitor. view, because we have got a multi-party (Interruptions) system. If anybody has called anybody a traitor it shall be expunged. (Interru- ptions.)

AN HON. MEMBER: He must with- MR. SPEAKER: I am appealiDII to draw it. everybody to sit down. He has catCllOri- cally said that he has not called any member MR. SPEAKER: If he is withdrawing of this House a traitor. (InterruptiolU). it, I will be happy. If he does not with- He has said that he ha s not called any draw it, it shall be expunged. Not that member a traitor. If he has called any I am against its withdrawal (Interruptions). member a traitor, it is my job to lIet it The point I am able to make out from removed. the shouting is that the hon. member must withdraw it and it should not be expunged. st~~ ~~~ It is very good if he withdraws it. I will give a chance to Mr. Madhok. If he is tr~~, ~ ~ ~ ~ 1m!" trying to explain that somebody called ~ somebody a traitor, it does not serve any purpose. If he is prepared to withdraw MR. SPEAKER: I am not allowiDII it, I will be happy. Or else, I will anybody to discuss it further. (Interrup- expunge it myself. tions),

SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK: He said MR. SPEAKER: Order, order. that I have called people traitors. It is an absolutely false and wrong statement SHRI UMANATH: Sir, a precedent has and a figment of his imagination. I did been created by him. It lives me a say that those who are not loyal to this licence to call another hon. Member a country, to whatever party or community traitor and it will be expunsed. they may belong, are traitors and they must be punished as such. I have been MR. SPEAKER: He says he has not demanding in this House again and again called. (Interruptions). Order, order. So that we should have a law of treason, so many of you are standinll at a time. A that traitors can be properly puniahed, I dozen of you arc standinll at a time. I never called any particular community am requesting all of you to resume your traitors. There may be people in my own seats. community who may be traitors. I said, those who make such false statements are It is unfortunate. The moment the liars and traitors-those who bring the question was put I know it was bound to Constitution to disrepute, those who distort create some heat and controversy. My facts and subvert the Constitution. Any- fears have come true. Unfortunately, I body who has been elected to the House cannot refuse to allow a question to be cannot be called a traitor. But I again put. I shall 110 throullh the proceedinp say that those who do such thinlls, who and take a decision. I request all bon. tell lies and subvert the Constitution, they Members to control themselves on are liars and traitors. I stand by that. controversial matters like this. If you (Interruptions). want to have a detailed dllCUssion you 23 Oral ns~rl FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Oral ns~rs 24 have a rilht to have it. But nobody should be condemned before this House. The RSS may be aood or it may be bad It is for the Government to take necessa'; action. If hon. Members want a half- "t GfirnT i!>"t l1;lfi 'l"lfi House a liar. 'l~ ~ ifrITiI' lI>"t ~ ~ m it MR. SPEAKER: I do not know why lIi1f mq;r lITta ~ ~ Shri Banerjee is again raising that question now. I am not allowing anybody to ~ l~~, at~it ~ speak on it now. It is not proper. I will refer to the proceedings and certainly ",1 iflIT sr.'~ ~ am: I will do whatever is necessary. It cannot be done immediately now. This House ( ~ ~arr. ~ ~i lIiT \3f'ffi cannot become a court now, study the proceedings and then expunge anything ~ ~ If!n' <:IT iflIT ~ 'fiT fq.;m: (Interruptions). This House cannot be ;;.; ~' it; fq;mr it; ~ 'l"lfi ~ ~ converted into a court now. It must be left to the Speaker. It i~ for the Speaker ~~~'i~ to do and not the whole House. lHE MINISTER OF HOME SHRI VASUDEVAN NAIR: Sir, an AFFAIRS (SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN): hon. Member of this House cannot be (a) Government have received a copy so dishonest as Shri Madhok. We have of a resolution passed at a Convention heard with our ears that he caned him a held in Delhi in December, 1968 demand- traitor nt~rrtion. ing a separate Uttarakhand State.

SHRJ UMANAlH: Sir, what is your (b) and (c). The demand for a separate decision? State has been made mainly on the alleged ground that the economic development MR. SPEAKER: Not now; I will have of the hill areas has not been satisfactory. to read the whole proceedings. Now, Development plans are already being next question. formulated taking into account special requirements of the Uttarakhand Division AN HON. MEMBER: What about expunction? which comprises 3 border districts out of the 8 hill districts. While the needs of other districts are met from the general MR. SPEAKER: It wi\1 all be decided later on. development plans of the State Govern- ment, they have constituted a separate Hill Development Board to advise them AN HON. MEMBER: What is the reply to the question? on the development needs of the hill districts. Government are of the view that ac:celerated deveiopment, and not the MR. SPEAKER: Next question. creation of a separate State, should meet the real needs of the people of those 'r'" t~ 'mit areas. + -93. "" ~o 'lito '""" : SHRJ R. K. AMIN : Though the imple- mentation of the States Reorganisation ~~'~ Commiuion Report has solved some prob- 25 PHALOUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) Oral A.nswers 26

Icm9, since then we have a number of ~ ~ ~~tt~ problems like the Bombay city wanting to be a cosmopolitan city or problems in c~ ~ ~ tflf; tt ~ Assam, Uttarakhand and Telengana. In <'ft;ft ~ t I p;ft l't~ ~ q;cr view of all this, is the government thinking ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ of appointing another commission by fl:rf.:rm: arro:o which not only the language but other ~ arrn- it I tt lfR mrm ~ t flf; factors arc taken into consideration for ~ ~ ~r ~~ii~ the reorganisation of States? ~~ ~ m ~ mifi

SHRI R. K. AMIN : When the report p;ft ~ 'I.R Q1mf : ifNT ~ if of the Commission was given, it was felt ~ ~ I!lT ~ ~ I that Utter Pradesh is too big a province. f;r; m

Commission to live importance and SHRIMATI SUSHILA ROHATGI : It primacy to the problem of relional deve- is obvious that this question has arisen lopmen!. because of the intrinsic backwardness of Uttar Pradesh which not only feeds eight SHRI BISHWANATH ROY: In view crores of people but has also to look after of the fact that the Planning Commission the poverty-stricken areas of eastern UP, and the Development Council are going which has already been investigated by to have a policy of special development of the Patel Commission, as also to the those areas which are backward economi- special problems of the hill district. While cally, may I know whether in view of the the Planning Commission is formulating sensitive position of the hill areas of the plans, would it also take into consi- Uttar Pradesh, the Central Government deration these special problems and see itself will have some special steps to be that a special allocation is made for the taken for the development of those areas development of these hill areas? which are economically backward as well as sensitive? SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN: think, J have answered this question. SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN : I think, I have answered this question. Government o,ft rn m<'f ~ 'fll"f ~ ~r does consider this question very impor- ;r@ ~ fif; i~

that on some other occasion. I1'if am: 'Ifm'I' it ~ ~ ~ tmi ~a SHRI GAPILINGANA GOWD: May I know from the hon. Minister whether it ~ ~ ~ ~ is the general policy of the Government to if 'Ifm'I' wft advise constitution of Development Coun- ~ ~ ~ ro IfiR'II' ~ ? cil, for backward areas of respective, States say, for instance, in Rayalaseema, in Andhra Pradesh State? mn "'" JW "' "'" (WTo ~o .0 amo ~o mr): (iii) fifP SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN: We are discu- ~i 172 m, ~ ssing the Question relating to U. P. There (f1!fT 178 ~ ~ JIm' fllil!; I1'if I is a Development Board. ~it ¢if ~ ~~ ;;fun' I WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS it~ ~ Development of Laccadlves (tlf) m if 'l{rofitf ~ ~ mR ~ m if ~ '94. SHRI P. M. SAYEED: Will the ~ ~ !ffm' ~~~ Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased mn: to state: a''~~lt'~

(a) the amount sanctioned in various Plan periods for the development of Centre-State Relations Laccadives; '96. SHRI BABURAO PATEL: (b) whether this sanctioned amount SHRI MANIBHAI J. PATEL: was actually spent in each Plan period; SARI E. K. NAYANAR: and Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS (cJ if not, the reasons therefor? be pleased to state:

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN (a) whether it is a fact that the Chief THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS Ministers of Andhra Pradesh, Orissa and (SHRI VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA): Kerala have expressed their dissatisfaction (a) to (c). The Union Territory of over the Centre-State relations; Laccadive, Minicoy and Amindivi Islands came into being with effect from the 1st (b) if so, the points of difference between November, 1956, i.e., in the Second Five the Centre and these States accordinll to Year Plan period only. A statement the three Chief Ministers; showing the amounts sanctioned and spent in the various Plan periods, and the main (c) whether these Chief Ministers have reasons for the short-falls, is laid on the also formally addressed the Central Table of the House. [Placed in library. Government on the subject; See No. L. T.-68/69] (d) whether they have sUlIIICSled some remedies 10 improve the Centre-State relation; and

'95. ~ ~ ~ l1roft: ro mn (e) the reaction of Government in rCll8rd thereto? ~ ~ ~ tT PIT

am: r~ fum ~ ~ it; ft;rQ; (a) whether it is a fact that Shri O. O. Birla had, durina his recent visit to ~ sm;r ~ ~ ~' ~ ltiT ~ Ethiopia, asked the Ethiopian Government om: ") ~ (IT). AND YOUTH SERVICES (OR. V. K. R. ~~~~~~ V. RAO): (a) and (b). Shri G. D. Birla visited Ethiopia in his private capacity and ~~~,~~~ ~~ Government has no information about f;:1:ffi ~ I ~ ~ I ~ ~ it m:a the offer made by him and the response of the Ethiopian Government to it. ~

(b) whether any new proposals have (b) if so, the reasons therefor; been received from the Government of Kerala in this regard; and (c) whether it is also a fact that the terms and conditions laid down in this (c) if so, the particulars thereof and connection have become out dated; and the action taken thereon ? (dJ if so, the steps being taken to THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND Iiberalise the terms and conditions so as CIVIL A VIA nON (DR. KARAN to enable all employees to avail of the SINGH): (a) to (c). The State Government opportunity? have worked out details of the land to be acquired for the proposed airport at Calicut. This is, at present, under scru- THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION tiny of Government. AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. V. K. R. V. RAO): (a) No, Sir, only the emplo- The airport project for Calicut has yees of the Public undertakings are not been included in the draft of Fourth Five- eligible for membership of the Central Year Plan. Secretariat Library.

Invitation by Sbri G.D. Birla to Ethiopian (b) The existing rules do not provide Students for Training In India for members 'lip of the employees of the Public undertakings. ·100. SHRI HEM BARUA: Will the Minister of EDUCATION be pleased to (c) and (d). The matter is beiDa exami- state: ned. 35 Written Answers FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Written Answers 36

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~ ,~~ ~ ~ i:iT fif> : "103. '~~'~~ lPlrT ~ i:iT fif> : (if» w if;;ft"lr ~ ij; ""'fI'l,r,'""oTlrFT(Qri'i'j cr~ ij; 1¥t tfl!'Rf (Of;) ~ ~ l;Rf ~ ~ ~ OlfCfro"'" ~i mit Of;T ¥RT it fmrT it T'<: ~ ('1f) l't~, ~ ~ 64'ro w ..". ; ~ 'f\"if Cflf> ~ ~'l. ~ am: ( '1f ) lff<:' ~, ~ ... ~ W 'fIn:Uf ~, ij; l'l~ <'!Til' ~ ~ ; am: ( l'f) ~ fCf"Wf

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!fit ~, ~ lfiT ~ f'!illT 'l1IT ~ ; Will' ~ 'liT ~~~ 1f>"t 'lfdf"f1i4l ~, ~~, l'~, lfTffilfRf f'fll'lf q<: ~ ~ f;rIro;ft m CfIllT ~ ~~ lfiT ~ 'l1IT ~ ~ ~ ~t ~ it; ~ ~ mTt1' ~ '~i f'l>: °IOS SHRI N.R. LASKAR: SHRI R. BARUA: ('I» ~ ~ ~ ~ f'l> r'l~ Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS it 31'P'0:I' m it; ~~ ~ it; be pleased to state: a;rR;r ;;rrfCf ~ it ar:ro ~ ~~ f'!illT ~ am: It ~ ;;rrm q<: f It ~ q<: m ~ ~ ~ am: ~ -roflfli'f <:f':rT (b) if so, whether Government propose ~l'~~ to grant such post-graduate employees some benefit for their higher qualifications for the reason that Government arc ( IT) ll'~ l[T, ffi ~ 'I1ro\' ~ benefited by their higher qualifications; it ~ ~~ m1' wr m it; r.nr 3Wo:I' m ~ ~ ~ (e) if so, the details thereof; and to (d). The minimum educational qualification for recruitment as Clerks in ~ ~ ~ ('I» 'U;;lf rnr ;iT trf in Central Government Offices is Matri- ~ 31'Fo:I' m it; >;f)'lilt<'i+i ~ it culation or equivalent. The minimum ~ a'l~ it; lM'f it an !fit ~ I educational qualification for recruitment as Assistants in the Secretariat is a University degree or equivalent. Infor- a'l~ii~it~ ('if) mation relating to the number of post- .~ am: ~ q<: ~ anif ~ graduate Clerks and Assistants in Central Governments Ollices is not available. ~ 1I>i ri"fu

Cbbotl Sadri Rajasthan Gold Scandal Case (b) Does not arise.

*106. SHRI MADHU LIMAYE: Will (c) It is difficult to indicate any date the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be at this stage, but the Committee is trying pleased to refer to the reply given to its best to complete its work as early as Starred Question No. 732 on the 13th possible. December, 1968 regarding the Chhoti Sadri Gold Scandal Case and state: (d) The terms of reference given to the Committee are very wide and a large (a) whether the Central Bureau of number of witnesses have to be called Investigation has since completed the and documents collected and examined. investigations; Besides, members of the committee, having a number of other commitments, find it (b) if so, the result thereof; and difficult to meet for more than a few days per month.

(c) if not, the reasons for the delay? Khosla Commission Report on Delhi Police

THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS ·108. SHRI K.M. ABRAHAM: (SHRI Y.B. CHAVAN:: (a) No, Sir. SHRI GANESH GHOSH: SHRI BANSH NARAIN SINGH: SHRI J.B. SINGH: (b) Does not arise. Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS (c) During the pendency of the be pleased to state: cr iminal case and the connected revIsion proceedings before the Rajasthan High (a) the details of the report submitted Court the enquiries have to be conducted by the Khosla Commission on Delhi with due regard to the provis ions of the Police; law and this takes time. (b) whether Government have completed Sarkar Committee Report on C.S.I.R. the examination of the report;

·107. SHRI B. K. MODAK: (c) if so, the recommendations which SHRI P. GOPALAN: have been accepted by Government; and

(d) the recommendations which have Will the Minister of EDUCATION be not been accepted by Government? pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether the Sarkar Committee MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS which was set up to enquire into the (SHRI VJDY A CHARAN SHUKLA): functioning of the Council of Scientific (a) Copies of the report submitted by and Industrial Research has submitted its the Khosla Commission are laid on the report; Table of the Sabha. [Placed ill library See No. LT-82/69l (b) if so, the details thereof and the action taken thereon; (b) to (d). The examination of the report has been more or less completed (c) if not, when the report is likely to and the various recommendations as finally be submitted; and accepted by Government are under implementation. In respect of some (d) the reasons for the delay? recommendations the matter is under examination in consultation with the THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION various Ministries. The examination of AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. V.K.R.V. the remaining recommendation Is expected RAO): (a) Not yet, Sir. to be completed shortly. 41 Wrillen Answers PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) Written Answers 42

Cocbin Port Trust from 1948 to 31st December 1968; and

°109. SHRI C. K. CHAKRAPANI: (b) the details thereof; the dates of Will the Minister of TRANSPORT rejections and the names of the State AND SHIPPING be pleased to state: Governments?

(a) whether the Major Harbour Enquiry THE MINISTER OF HOME Committee had visited Kerala recently; AFFAIRS (SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN): (a) Under Article 246 (1) of the (b) if so, whether the Committee has Constitution, Parliament has exclusive recommended reorganisation of the Cochin power to make laws with respect to any Port Trust; of the matters enumerated in list I of the Seventh Schedule. Under Article 246 (2) (e) whether the Kerala State Transport Parliament also has the power to make Department has made any suggestion to laws with respect to any of the matters include the State Government's represen- enumerated in list III in the Seventh tatives in the Trust proposed to be Schedule. Article 254 (i) of the Consti- reorganised; and tution deals with any inconsistency between laws made by Parliament and (d) if so, Government's reaction thereto? laws made by Legislatures of States, and subject to the provisions thereof, the law made by Parliament shall prevail over any THE MINISTER OF PARLiAMENT- law made by the Legislature of the State. ARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND Thus, no State Government has any power TRANSPORT (SHRI RAGHU RAMA- under the Constitution to reject any IAH): (a) The reference is presumably to Central law or rules made thereunder. the Commission on Major Ports which visited eochin in October, 1968. There has been no occasion for the Central Government to issue any directions (b) The Commission have not yet either under Article 256 or Article 257. submitted their report. (b) Does not arise. (c) The Government of Kerala are already represented on the Cochin Port Trust Board. The Government of Karala 1967 ~ an1f ~ q fimft "" ~ has suggested that the statute on which the Port Trust's powers etc. are based i~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ should be reviewed so as to confer greater sn~ responsibility on it for executing schemes. °11 I. '" ro \'I1\'r ~ : (d) It is for the Major Ports Commission ,~o ~ first to consider the various suggestions placed before it and make its recommen- ,~ dations. .ro ~'~ ,~~ Rejection of Central Government's Acts, -nmUlf: Rules and Directions by State Governments 'flIT ~~ ~ ~ ~ 11ft FlIT lfiiitfil;: °110. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: ('ti) 'flIT fuR ~ ,m- it; mr.r Rwh"f if; 'Ifl«r if 1IfA ~ m

(..-) llt~, mm lflIT ;mvr (b) The information is liven below:- ~ am: ~ ~ m: it ~ f.rui7.r Name of Corporation Percentage of Central ~ Govt. con- tribution 'le:-llmiq.n (.uQ"... tt

Railways towards contribution to Surrender of PrivIleges by Jam Sabeb of the capital of State Road Transport Nawanagar Corporations on the basis that their share may be at a uniform level °114. SHRI KIKAR SINGH: oC 331% oC the total in each case SHRI RAMACHANDRA 1. is under consideration. AMIN: SARI P. N. SOLANKI: Indore Riots SHRI BHOLA NATH MASTER:

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS °113. SHRI C. MUTHUSAMI: be pleased to state: SHRI J. MOHAMED IMAM: SHRI K. P. SINGH DEO: SHRI D. R. PARMAR: (a) whether it is a fact that the lam SHRI C. C. DESAI: Saheb of Nawanager of Saurashtra-Gujarat SHRI HUKAM CHAND has surrendered recently some of his KACHWAI: privileges like Government's Guards at his Palace and has informed Government about the same; Will the Minister oC HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (b) if so, the details thereof; and

(a) whether communal frenzy broke out in the city of Indore recently in which (c) the reaction of Government thereto? some people were killed; THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (b) if so, whether Government have (SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN) : (a) and conducted any enquiry in this regard (b). The Maharaja oC Nawanagar directly or through the State Government has given up the privilege of a special and police guard from lst January, 1969, reserving the right to ask for reinstatement in future unless the privilege is revoked (c) what action, if any, has been taken by Government. The State Government against the miscreants? have accordingly withdrawn the guard. THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFA- IRS: (SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN): (a) and (c) Government welcome the step. (b). According to inCormation received from the State Government there was a Wage Board for Port and Dock Worken fight between two groups over gambling in Indore on 27th December, 1968. One °115. SHRI P. RAMAMURTI: of the injured persons died on 31st Decem- SHRI MOHAMMAD ISMAIL: ber 1968. This gave rise to some SHRI VISWANATHA MENON: tension in the town and some minor inci- SHRI R. K. SINHA: dents. On I st January, 1969, when the funeral procession of the deceased was taken out there was some stray stone- Will the Minister of TRANSPORT throwing. On 2nd January there were AND SHIPPING be pleased to state: four cases of arson on shops resulting in damage estimated at Rs. 70/-. No person (a) whether the Wage Board for Port was killed in the disturbances. and Dock workers has submitted its report; (c) 319 persons were arrested under sections 188 and 287 of the Indian Penal (b) if so, the recommendations made Code and 32 were arrested under the therein; and preventive provisions of the Code of Criminal Procedure. (c) if not, the reasons for the dela¥? 47 Written AlUwers FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Written Answers 48

THE MINISTER OF PARUAMEN- the educational side, the U.G.C. has been TARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND assisting universities for implementing TRANSPORT (SHR! RAGHU programmes of student's welfare with a RAMAlAH) view to providing a congenial atmosphere for study and research and thus divert (a) Not yet. their attention from undesirable activities.

(b) Docs not arise. Deihl Convention Against Communalism (December, 1968) (c) The time taken is due to the large numbers and categories of employees "117. SHRI HEM RAJ: Will the covered and the very complex issues Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased involved. It is understood that the Wage to state: Board is making all efforts to complete its work as early as possible. (a) whether it is a fact that a conven- tion against communalism was held at Students' Unrest In India Delhi in the last week of December, 1968; and ·116. SHRI SITARAM KESRI: SHRI S. C. SAMANTA: (b) if so, what were the resolutions SHR! SHIVA CHANDRA JHA: passed and whether Government propose to accept any of their suggestions? Will the Minister of EDUCATION be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS: (SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN): (a) whether Government have initiated (a) and (b). Government have seen steps to find out the causes of the stu- press reports of proceedings of the two day dents' unrest in many parts of the coun- Convention against Communalism held on try; December 28 and 29, 1968 in New Delhi. The Convention generally called upon (D) whether it is a fact that the hleack political parties and Government to root prospects of a secure life and frustration out communalism from the body politic and are also factors for the unrest; and to guard the values of secular nationalism. Government are already taking steps to (c) if so, the remedies sought to cure implement the recommenda tions of the the ills? National Integration Council to curb communalism. THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND YOUTH SERVICES (Dr. V. K. R. V. RAO): Ellora and Ajanta Cave Temples

(a) The causes of student unrest are "118. SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK: fairly well known and have been discussed Will the Minister of EDUCATION be from time to time by committees of Uni- pleased to state: versity Grants Commission, the Education Commission, Conferences of Vice-Chance- (a) whether it is a fact that famous llors, etc. Recently the U. G. C. has Ellora and Ajanta cave temples are among appointed a Working Group to formulate the masterpieces of Indian art, architec- the necessary guide lines and general frame ture, sculpture and painting; work for studies relating to student unrest. (b) whether it is also a fact that they (b) Uncertainty about employment is have long been subjected to vandaliam by one of the many causes. successive foreign rulers;

(c) The remedies rest with the Govern- (c) whether it is also a fact that they ments, Universities, and political and have not been properly looked after even economic leadership in the country. On after Independence as a result of which 49 Written Answers PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) Written Answers

thefts of beautiful sculpture have taken SHRICHENGALRAYA place; NAIDU: SHRI B. K. DAS CHOWDHURY: (d) whether it is also a fact that even descriptive name plates have not been Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS placed before these caves and sculptures be pleased to state: inside them and there is no arrangement of gUides to explain the sculptures to (a) whether it is a fact that a Ph.D. thousands of students and visitors who student of the Indian AllricuItural RCRarclI visit these caves daily; and Institute, New Delhi was beaten by the Police on the 4th January, 1969 after (e) if so. what steps Government con- being stopped from lIOing to the farm on template towards proper up-keep and which he was working and which was to renovation of these national treasures? be shown to the Shah of Iran during hi' visit to Delhi; THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. V. K. R. (b) whether an inquiry has been con- V. RAO): (a) yes. Sir. ducted into the matter; and

(b) Some books mention this but the (c) if so, the result thereof and the veracity of such statement has not been action taken thereon? established. THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (c) No. Sir. The cave temples are (SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN): (a) A complaint being well looked after by the Archaeolo- in this behalf was received. gical Survey of India ever since they were taken over for protection as monuments of (b) The Sub Divisional MaBistrate. national importance in 1951. No thefts Tughlak Road. New Delhi, was directed of sculptures have been reported since to hold an inquiry into the matter. then. (c) The Sub Divisional Maaistrate (d) No. Sir. Labels identifying sculp- examined 23 witnesses besides the research tures have been provided in the important scholar who was alleKed to have been caves at Ellora. At Ajanta, as the beaten. and the police official who was descriptive scenes or Jataka scenes are alleged to have beaten him. He came to often grouped and intermixed, such labels the conclusion, on the basis of evidence instead of being a help are likely to cause recorded by him that the alleption of confusion. At Ellora in addition to a beating of the research scholar has not Departmental Guide Lecturer there are been substantiated. two local licensed guides. Similarly at Ajanta there is one local licenced guide. In addition to these the Department of Abolition of Ortrol Tourism will shortly issue licences to six- teen guides both for Ajanta and Ellora. °120. SHRI MUHAMMAD SHERIFF: Will the Minister of TRANSPORT AND (e) Repairs and other measures for SHIPPING be pleased to state: preservation of these national treasures arc undertaken as and when found necessary. (a) whether Government propolC to direct the State Governments to abolish Beatlnll of A Ph.D. Student In I. A. R. I., octroi as quickly as possible since it is a New Deihl great hIndrance in the economic develop- ment of the country apart from being a °119. SHRI DEVEN SEN: source of corruption; and SHRI BIBHUTI MISHRA: SHRI D. N. PATODIA: (b) whether Government propose to SHRIMATI SAVITRI SHYAM: suacst to State Governments any other SHRI M. L. SONDHI: lubltitute source of income in plac:e of 51 Written Answers FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Written Answers 52

octroi and issue special directive thereCor? (d) Retired judges are usually appointed to positions involving functions oC THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY judicial or quasi·judicial nature. AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND TRA· It is not always possible to NSPORT (SHRI RAGHU RAMAIAH): requisition the services of serving judges (a) and (b). No, Sir. to hold such positions. Havinll regard to the public confidence enjoyed by the judiciary, and the ability and impartiality Assignments Given to Retired Supreme with which retired judges have been per· Court Judges forming the functions entrusted to them it is clearly in the public interest that the 560. SHRI BABURAO PATEL: Will practice should not be discontinued. the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Prosecution of Newspapers (a) the names oC the Supreme Court judges who retired during the last five 561. SHRI BABURAO PATEL: Will years with dates oC their retirement and the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be particulars of their monthly pensions; pleased to statc:

(b) the names oC those from the above (a) the names of editors and periodicals list who were given assignments on prosecuted under Section 153A oC the committees or commissions with starting I. P. C. since the meeting of the National and ending dates of such assignments in Integration Council held in Sri nagar; each case and name or particulars of the assignments with the total emoluments (b) the names of those acquitted or earned by each during the period of convicted with the nature of convictions assignment by way of salary or compen· so Car; sation and travelling allowance paid to each; (c) whether Government propose to withdraw all the cases now that the mid· (c) whether it is a fact that the expecta· term elections in various States are over tion of getting committee or commission and there is no necessity oC wooing any work after retirement often influences the particular community Cor votes; and minds of some Supreme Court judges and has a definite effect in cases filed by (d) if not, the reasons thereoC? Government; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) the reasons why these Superannuated MINISTR Y OF HOME AFFAIRS judges, who richly deserve rest, are again (SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA): drafted into service in spite of strict (a) and (b). A statement is laid on limitations of age and memory as observed the Table of the House. [Placed in library. in many? See No. LT-71/69]

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) and (d). No, Sir. None oC the MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS prosecutions has been launched Cor "wooing (SHRI VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA): any particular community for votes." (a) A statement giving the requisite information is laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in library. See No. India Tourism Development Corporation LT-70 /69] 562. SHRI BABURAO PATEL: Will (b) Information is being collected and the Minister oC TOURISM AND CIVIL will be laid on the Table of the House. AVIATION be pleased to state:

(c) No, Sir; There is not the remotest (a) the dato of inception oC the India reason Cor such an inCerence. Tourism Development Corporation and 53 Writtell Answers PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) Writt"l1 AlUw"rs 54

the funds placed at its disposal with a summary of its objectives; (iv) Sponsoring and orJlllllisinll entertain- ment programmes for tourists. (b) the name and qualifications of the Chairman, his monthly emoluments and (v) Operation of duty-free shops at the travelling allowance given to him with international air/sea ports. his special qualifications which were considered adequate for the post; (b) Shri Romesh Thapar is the Chairman of the India Tourism Development Corpo- (c) the number and dates of foreign ration Limited. He is non-official part. trips undertaken by the Chairman and time Chairman of the Corporation and is nine other officials immediately below him not paid any monthly emoluments. He with the names of country, duration of is eligible to receive, like other non-officiaI stay and foreign exchange released in each Directors of the Corporation Rs. 75/-for case; each meeting of the Board of Directors attended by him and Travelling Allowance (d) the names of the officials whose for journeys performed in connection wives accompanied them on foreign tours; with the business of the Corporation, which and includes train or air fare plus Rs. 100/- for the first days and Rs. 50/· for the (e) the precise benefit to our country subsequent days for incidental expenses of the foreign trips by these officials? and Daily Allowance.

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND (c) Neither the Chairman nor any CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH): official immediately below him has under· (a) The India Tourism Development taken any foreign trip on behalf of the Corporation Limited was formed on the India Tourism Development Corporation 1st October, 1966 by amalgamating the Limited. three erstwhile Undertakings, namely, India Tourism Corporation Limited, Hotel (d) Does not ariso. Corporation of India Limited and India Tourism Transport Undertaking Limited. (e) Does not arise. The paidup capital of the unified Corporation, as on 1-10-1966, was 24,59,400. The funds placed at the Plying of D. T. U. Buses on Holldays disposal of the Corporation are indicated below:- 563. SHRI M. L. SONDHI: Will the Minister of TRANSPORT AND SHIPP- 4th October 1967 Rs. 25.00 lakhs ING be pleased to state : 27th March 1968 Rs. 38.00 lakhs (a) whether it is a fact that on Satur. Total Rs. 63.00 lakhs days and Holidays one rupee tickets are sold to thousands of passengers in Delhi but more buses are not provided by the Thus, the total paidup capital of the D. T. U.; and Corporation is Rs. 87,59,400. The main objectives of the Corporation are :- (b) if so, the reasons for not providinll more buses on all routes to avoid rush (i) Construction of hotels and manage- and over-crowding in the buses on these ment of Tourist Bungalows and Canteens. days 1

(ii) Provision of transport facilities for THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY tourists. AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND TRANS- PORT (SHRI RAGHU RAMAIAH): (iii) Production of tourist publicity and (a) and (b). According to the D. T. U., promotional material. it is correct that on Saturdays and holi- SS Written Answers FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Written Answers S6

a~ one rupee tickets are sold to thou- pleased to State : sands of passcDJCfs. However, on such days, offices, educational institutions and (a) the details of armed daylight business centres in many localities remain robbery that was committed on the 22nd closed, resulting in a radical change in the October, 1968 in the Central Calcutta traffic pattern, and the bus services (Sudder Street) ; and provided by the Undertaking are rCo patterned accordingly to cater to the (b) the role of police in the whole in- holiday traffic. Extra arrangements are cident ? made on holidays to strengthen bus services to places like Buddha Jayanti THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Park, Qutab, Okhla, Zoological Gardens, MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Suraj Kund etc. Besides, on some of VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA): (a) The the routes, an increase is also made in facts reported by the Government of West the frequency of the bus services. Bengal are as under:-

Air-Force Men taken in I. A. C. and On 22.10.68, a gang of miscreants armed Air India with firearms committed dacoity and looted Rs. 1,13,328/- belonging to M/s S64. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU : Will Calcutta Cigarette Supply Co., and its the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL Sister concern 'Jain Company' while some AVIATION be pleased to state: employees of the Company were carrying the cash in a taxi on Sudder Street in (a) whether the Air-Force men are Calcutta. beinl taken in the civil Air Services ; (b) (I) The local police have register- (b) if so, the number of Air-Force ed a case U /S 395, 397 IPC and 25 (1) (a) men taken so far in the I. A. C. and Air and 27 Arms Act. The investigation of the India Services ; case is in the Progress.

(c) the posts provided to them ; and (2) A sum of Rs. 30,050 alleged to be part of the loot and some arms allegedly (d) the reasons for Air-Force men used in the Commission of the crime have being taken in the civil Air Services? been recovered. The vehicles believed to have been used for Commission of the THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND crime have also been seized. 18 persons CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN have been arrested during the investigation, SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. The Air Force is which is likely to be completed soon. one of the sources of recruitment for the Civil Airlines. North Eastern Council (b) and (c). Air India have recruited 566. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: 48 Co-pilots, 2S Navigators and one Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be officer for General Administration from pleased to state: the Air Force. Indian Airlines have recruited 2S second officers and I S Appren- tice Pilots from the Indian Air Force. (a) whether it is a fact that Govern- ment have recently set up a North Eastern (d) The training and experience in the Council; and Air Force is of value to the Airlines, who naturally avail themselves of the good (b) if so, the purposes for which it has material thrown up by the former. been set up?

Robbery In Calcutta THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS S6S. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU : Will (SHRI VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA): (a) the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be and (b). The North Eastern Council has .57 Written Answers PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) WrillM Answers .58 no t yet been set up but is proposed to be Will the Minister of EDUCATION be set up. It will be a high-level advisory pleased to state: body for the north eastern region of India as a whole for the purpose of providing (a> whether a delegation of teachers of for a unified and coordinated approach U. P. met the Prime Minister at Allahabad towards the security and development of on the 28th December, 1968; the region. Relevant details about the Council have heen given in the press (b) whether the delegation submitted a statement issued on the 11 th September, memorandum to her; and 1968, a copy of which was placed on the Table of the HOllse in reply to Starred (c) if so, the grievances presented by Question No. 423 on the 29th November, them in that memorandum and the reaction 1968. of Government thereto?

Amendments to CSR 561 and 983 THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. V. K. R. V. RAO): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. 567. SHRI C. C. DESAI: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (c) The memorandum contained almost the same demands for which there was (a) whether Amendments to civil agitation by U. P. Madhyamik Shiklhak Service Regulations 561 and 983 were laid Sangh. The matter has since been settled. before Parliament in 1956 for not less The strike has been withdrawn since than fourteen days as required in Section January 6, 1969 and the schools are 3 (2) of the All-India Services Act, 1951; functioning normally. Judicial inquiry and into the incidents in Naini Jail is beina held.

(b) if not, the reasons therefor? PlaMlng Unit For Laccadlves THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 569. SHRI P. M. SA YEED: Will the MINISTR Y OF HOME AFFAIRS Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased (SHRI VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA): to state: (a) No, Sir. (a) the constitution of the PIannina (b) The All India Services Act, 1951 Unit functioning for Laccadives; provides for the laying of rules before Parliament. Regulations framed under (b) Whether there is any non-oflicial the A. I. S. Act and Rules upto 1st July, member associated with this unit; and 1967, were not therefore laid before Parliament. This matter has heen recently reconsidered and it has heen decided to (c) if so, his particulars? lay the regulation also before Parliament in the same manner as the rules are laid. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE For this purpose a Bill, entitled "the AII- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI India Services (Laying of Regulations VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA): (a> The before Parliament) Bill, 1968", has been Planning Unit of Laccadives consists of introduced in the lUjya Sabha during the the following officers of the territory's last session of Parliament. The annexure Administration : to that Bill includes (item 116) inter alia amendments to the CSRS .561 and 983 also. (I) Chairman-Development Commlss- ioner-cum-Development GrI __ of U. P. Teachers Secretary.

568. DR. SUSHILA NAYAR: (2) Mcmbers-{i) RClistrar of Coopera- SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: tive Societies. 59 Writ/ell Answers FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Written Answers 60

(ii) Special Officer (Fisheries) (b) the total number of adults made (iii) Special Officer (Agri- literate during this period, State-wise; and culture) (iv) Education Officer; and (c) the amount allocated during the (v) Executive Engineer. Fourth Five Year Plan for those States for adult education and the number of (b) No, Sir. persons to be made literate State-wise?

(c) Does not arise. THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. V. K. R. V. RAO): (a) to (c). The information isbeing collected and will be laid on the 570. '1) aftq ~ ('Iff1ft : Table of the House. .n~~~~ Promotion of Upper Division Clerks

om ,~ ~ lfll: ~ot 572. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN: Will 'PIT ~i f'fi : the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state:

('fi) om lfll: ~ ~ f'fi ~ (a) whether there is a large number 'ltrof if "'ITl1' ~ if ~ arf!:f'fi fCffiHf of Upper Division Clerks in the Central Secretariat Service who have put in about fiI;l:rr "fRlT ~ ~~ ''~l ~ ~ f'fi 20 years service but are not getting promo- ~ ~a ~ ; am: tions; and ( ~ ) llR iIT, m~l ~ (b) if so, the steps Government propose to take in the matter? t ft:rit ~ 'fiT om ~ 'fi"f.f 'liT fcr;;m:: ~ ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ,~ ~ ~ VIDYA CHAR AN SHUKLA): (a) No, it 1f?li\' Sir. Threre were only 64 Upper Division (.n mn ~ ~ ('fi) 31'1<: ~. Clerks with over 15 years of service on ~ ~ 'U'71l ~ 'fiT 1.1.68 against a total of about 2800 duty posts of Upper Division Clerks. a'l'~lrl~ ~ I (b) Does not arise. ~ ff'fi ~ ~ 'liT ~ ~,ar~~~i~ Imbalance in Promotions/Confirmations ~ ~' ~ ~ otT mAl, 573. SHRI SHASH! BHUSHAN: Will m lfi't ~ i~, ~ ~ ff'fi the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: ~ 1ft 1ft ~ I

Expenditure on Adult Education (a) whether the decentralisation of the Central Secretariat Service has resulted 571. SHRI GADILINGANA GOWD : in imbalances in promotion/confirmation Will the Minister of EDUCATION be in various Ministries and attached Offices; pleased to state :

(a) the expenditure incurred on adult (b) if so, what remedial steps are education during the Third Five Year being taken; and Plan in the States of Andhra Pradesh, Madras and Madhya Pradesh; (c) what are the dates of seniority of 61 Wrillen Answers PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) Wrillen Answers 62 last person promoted/confirmed in each (d) An amount of Rs. 6,87,612.78 was arade, Ministry-wise? spent on advertisements during the period lst April-31st December, 1968, under the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE following heads:- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA): 1. Amounts for route Rs. 87,625.50 (a) Such disparities are inevitable in a publicity etc. decentralised set-up. 2. Time-Table Rs. 1,98,249.51 3. Posters Rs. 16,642.74 (b) The possibility of making certain 4. Advertising in foreign Rs. 49,295.93 modification to the present de-centralised countries set-up is under examination. 5. Advertising of schedu- les in official Airline (c) Information is being collected and Guide and ABC world will he laid on the Table of the House. Airways Guide Rs. 22,6<16.00 6. Hoardings 2,63l.SS 7. Press Advertising 3,10,521.55 Expenditure on Overtime and Advertise- ments of Indian Airlines Corporation A majority of the advertisements relate to publicity given to Indian Airlines 574. SHRI GADILINGANA GOWD: schedules, changes in Toutes and new Will the Minister of TOURISM AND routes, as well as institutional advertise- CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state: ments. These ad vertisements are nece- ssary in order to keep the general public (a) whether it is a fact that the Indian informed and also to attract tourist traffic Airlines Corporation are unable to avoid and promote sales. infructuous expenditure on overtime and advertisements. Central Secretariat Library

(b) if so, the reasons therefor; 575. SHRI GADILINGANA GOWD: Will the Minister of EDUCATION be (c) the overtime paid by the Corrora- pleased to state: tion during the years 1967 and 1968; (a) the tOlal number of books on (d) the amount spent on advertise- different Subjects held by the Central ments, item-wise, during the period from Secretariat Library on the last stock Is tApril, 1968 to 31st December, 1968; and checking in the English/Hindi Section; and

(e) the measures adopted by the Corpo- (b) the total membership as on the 31st ration to effect economy and the savings December, 1968, Ministry/Department- affected during the years 1967 and 1968 as wise and Gazetted and non-Gazetted a result of these measures? separately?

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION CIyIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. V.K.R.V. SINGH): (a), (b) and (e). No, Sir. The RAO): (a) The required information is Indian Airlines are conscious of the need laid on the table of the House. [Placed to reduce the overtime bills and have been in library. See No: LT-72 /691 taking steps in that direction in consulta- tion with the Employees Associations/ (b) The required information is laid Unions. They have recently introduced on the Table of the Houre. [Placed In new rules of productivity as a result of library. See No. LT-72/691 which overtime expenditure is expected to be reduced. Agitation by Studentl in Madras

(c) 1966-67 -Rs. 92.07 lakhs 576. SHRI GADILINGANA GOWD: 1967-68 -Rs. 138.95 lakhs Will the Minister of EDUCATION be 63 Written Answers FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Writ/en Answers 64 pleased to state: 'll~~ ~' (a) whether it is a fact that the appeal made by the Director of Technical 11ft ,,,.,ih, ..... omtmn : Education in Madras to students to give .n~ up "agitation" deserves to be made known throughout the country; and .n 'Ii'T<'m1n ~ :

(b) if so, the reaction of Government !fl

~~ 579. SHRI BRll BHUSHAN'LAL: SHRI ATAL BIHAR! • (!iT) l~ ~, ffi" ~ ~ lI'iT VAJPAYEE: Olfm !flIT ~ ~ ~~ ~ i'f !flIT m- SHRI RAM GOPAL SHALWALE: SHRI JAGANNA TH RAO ~~ ~ ~ JOSHI: SHRI RANJIT SINGH: ( l'f) !flIT m:4T ~ were other contributory factors. ~i't~ i'f ~tt~ (e) Government have drawn up a ~~ar~ ~r~ comprehensive programme for develop- ~i ~' ~lt ment of the tourist plant and infra-struc- ture and for Itcppinll up tourist promotion 'lit tff i~ mtff ~ ~ II>'t l«ftm and publicity ovcrscu, durinll the Fourth l't~~~i Five Ycas plan period even thoush it is felt that with limitations of available finance it will be dI1Ilcult to catch up with the world growth. 67 Wrillen Answers FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Wri/len Answers 68

'~ t~ cr'IT qrn,- ~ l:r ITir ~'iti'tl~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ or{tmanif ~ .- lf1iI1T .- ~' if fum ,,~ ~~ ~ ia'~ (1J.l"\' .-0 ~o '~' : ~ ~ (1T). l~, 1956 it ~ Iftr ~ f\f;"\' ~ anft ~ ar~ ~ am ~~li~~~~ ~ 1 ~ ;f\fu" ~ ~ ~~ (IT) lift ~ ~ (lfi) 'fiT ~ililtll it ~ ~~, ~ '3"ffi: .,ifll ~'il ~, dl ~ m it 69 Written Answers PHALGUNA 2. 1890 (Saka) Written Answers 70

~i''l ~ am: " ~ ~ ~ ~ CflI4y.q4"1 ifil i:m atTl:fm f!ff11nf ~ ij; 1'fl"!'l1"1f ~ ~ rn 'fi"T '3'O('i1f4cq ~ ~~rt~~~~ ~ ~ It ~ m"fq ij; w< ij; ~ qf(t;o ~ ifil m ITlfT ~ I ~~ if mQ'.m (-n ~~lt~ ~ f

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w ~~ ~ ~ ~ am- fi'lT 585. SHRI N. R. LASKAR: SHRI R. BARUA: ~it Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS ~ ''l~~~i~ be pleased to state: ~ ~ a:rTIfftr it f ~~ District of Assam during December, 1968 .rnR crfT ~ f'IiT ~ rnr fi1

(b) if so, the total expenditure involved; any measures in reprd to the abolition of privy purses and privileaea of the (c) the main features of the hotel; and former rulers;

(d) whether it will be in the public or (b) if so, the details thereof; in private sector ? (c) if not, the reasons for the delay THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND and by what time a final decision is likely CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN to be taken; SINGH): (a) On the application of MIS. Shiv Sagar Estates Ltd., Bombay, Govern- (d) whether Goverment have consulted ment have approved the terms of their coll- the former rulers in this respect; and aboration with Hilton Hotels International, USA. The draft of the collaboration (e) if so, their reaction in the matter? agreement between MIS. Shivsagar Estates and Hiltons is expected shortly for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Government approval. MINISTR Y OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA): (a) to (e). (b) the equity and preference share As has already been stated in this HOUle, capital of the proposed company will be the Government have taken a decision in Rs. 200 lakhs. principle to abolish privy purses and privileges of the Rulers of former Indian (c) The proposed hotel in Bombay States. The measures necessary for will be of the lUXUry type with 400 rooms. its implementation are being worked out and it would be finalised as soon as (d) It will be entirely in the private possible. Government have also held sector. some talks with the Rulers obout the manner of implementing the decision. Abolition of Privy Purses and PrIvileges These talks have not concluded. of Fonner Rulers

587. SHRI N. R. LASKAR: A.M. I.E. Qua118ed EoIIDeerinl DIploma SHRI C. K. CHAKRAPANI: Holder SHRI R. BARUA: SHRI P. GOPALAN: SHRI K. ANIRUDHAN: 588. SHRI N. R. LASKAR : SHRI UMANATH: SHRIONKAR LAL BERWA: SHRI Y ASHPAL SINGH SHRI R. BARUA : SHRI A. SREEDHARAN: SHRI RAGHUVIR SINGH Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS SHASTRI: be pleased to state : SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: SHRI S. C. SAMANTA: (a) whether it is a fact that EDKincering SHRI BEDABRATA BARUA: Diploma Holders employed in Govern- SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: ment offices and public undertakings arc SHRI YOGENDRA SHARMA: granted some increments or promotion on DR. RANEN SEN: their passing the A. M. I. E. Eumina- SHRI VASUDEVAN NAIR: tion; SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI: SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA: SHRI VISHWA NATH PANDEY: (b) if so, the details thereof and the SHRI NATHU RAM AHIRWAR: rules under which such benefits are granted ; and Will tbe Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (c) if not, the reasons for not pntinl any benefit to such employees on the (a) whether Government have taken acquirinl hisher quallfk:ations ? 75 Written AlI8wers FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Written Answers 76

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Will the Minister of TRANSPORT MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING be pleased to state : (SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA): (a) to (c). The requisite information is being (a) whether it is a fact that the Kerala collected and will be laid on the Table of Government have requested for purchasing the House as soon as possible. a dredger from abroad ;

(b) if so, whether Government have State Road Trauport Corporation considered their request ; and

589. SHRI K. M. ABRAHAM: (c) if not, the reasons therefor? SHRI C. K CHAKRAPANI: SHRI A. K. GOPALAN: THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE SHRIMATI SUSEELA GOPALAN: DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF Will the Minister of TRANSPORT AND SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI SHIPPING be pleased to state : IQBAL SINGH) : (a) to (c). The Govern- ment of Kerala have included in the State's (a) whether it is fact that the Confere- Fourth Plan proposals the acquisition of nce of the Transport Development Council a sea-going dredger estimated to cost held at Bangalore in June, 1968 recommen- about Rs. 2 to 3 erores. The detailed ded the grant of uniform contribution of specifications of the proposed dredger and 25 percent or, if possible, 33 per cent as the tender documents for the manufacture the Central Government share of capital and supply of the same are awaited from contribution for the State Road Transport the State Government. Corporation in the various States;

(b) if so, whether any steps have been Construction of Sailing Vessels taken by Government to implement this (Mecbanised) recommendation ; and 591. SHRI K. M. ABRAHAM: (c) if not, the reasons therefor? SHRI C. K. CHAKRAPANI : SHRI A. K, GOPALAN : THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- SHRI VISHWANATHA MENON: TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI RAGHU RAMA- Will the Minister of TRANSPORT IAH): (a) Yes, Sir. The Council in June 68 AND SHIPPING be pleased to state : at Mysore recommended a uniform contri- bution at the rate of 33 of the total %

(b) Yes, Sir. would be premature.

(c) A loan of Rs. 2.03 lakhs has been (d) Does not arise. sanctioned as requested by the State Government. Development Of Lighthouses In Keraia

(d) Does not arise. 593. SHRI C. K. CHAKRAPANI : SHRI A. K. GOPALAN : Inquiry against Former I. G. of Police, SHRI P. P. ESTHOSE : Andhra Pradesh SHRIMATI SUSEELA GOPALAN: 592. SHRI C. K. CHAKRAPANI : SHRI MANGALATHUMADAM : SHRI E. K. NAYANAR : SHRI E. K. NAYANAR : SHRIMATI SUSEELA SHRI P. GOPALAN : GOPALAN: SHRI OM PRAKASH TYAGI : Will the Minister of TRANSPORT SHRI RAM SWAROOP AND SHIPPING be pleased to state: VIDYARTHI : KUMARI KAMALA KUMARI : (a) whether it is a fact that the Kerala SHRI NARAIN SWARUP Transport Minister has made suggestions SHARMA: to the Director of Lighthouses, who visited SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : Kerala recently for the development of SHRI YASHPAL SINGH: Lighthouses in that State;

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS (b) if so, what are the suggestions; be pleased to refer to the reply given to U nstarred Question No. 912 on the 15th (c) whether Government have considered November, 1968 regarding enquiry against these suggestions; and former Inspector General of Police, Andhra Pradesh and state ; (d) if not, the reasons therefor?

(a) whether the aforesaid enquiry has THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE since been completed ; DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY (b) if so, the details of the findings; OF SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI IQBAL SINGH) : (a) No, Sir. (c) the action taken by Government thereon ; and (b) to (d) : Do not arise.

(d) if not, when the enquiry is likely to Attack On Police Station Kilthan Islud be completed and the reactions for the (Lllccadive Islands) delay? 594. SHRI C. K. CHAKRAPANI: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHRI A. K. GOPALAN: MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS SHRI P. RAMAMURTI : (SHRI VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA) : (a) SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL: Investigation has been completed by the SHRI VISHWANATHA MENON: Central Bureau of Investigation. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : SHRI P. M. SA YEED : (b) and (c). The C.B.I's report has yet SHRI OM PRAKASH TY AGI : to be considered by the Government of SHRI SRADHAKAR SUPAKAR : Andhra Pradesh who are primarily con- SHRI BHARAT SINGH cerned with the matter and who are the CHAUHAN: competent authority under the Rules to SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK : initiate appropriate action. Disclosure of SHRI NARAIN SAWARUP the results of the investiption at this stase SHARMA: 79 rltl~ AIISwerl FEBRUARY 21, 1969 ritl~ ~rs 80

SHRl RAM SWARUP VIDYARTHI :

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state : (tf) 'fliT ~ 'fiT f;r;m: ~ ~ ~ 'fiT iii~i ~ 'i~ (a) the details of the attack on the am: Police Station at Kilthan Island in the Laccadive group of Island on the 18th December, 1968 ; and

(b) the action taken by Government ~ ~ against the miscreants ? m if mIf lflliT (-:n ,,,~ : ('f» ~ (50). ~' THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ~'i 'li"T;;rT '%T ~ am: ~ ~ ~ MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ~ ~ VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA): (a) and (b). 'f( '(l1f ;;rTlf

'fliT ~ (f1fI ~ ;fft ~ amI'11f • .-rq' ~ if ~ !lit ~ 'li"T !i'IT '~it f'f> : ttfimIf'Nt ('f» 'T ~~ ..:t ~ gt ~ 1M ,~...rt ~ ~ ~ l!>'T !i'IT W ~ ~~ ~ fit; li~ fit; : (Iif) fmft l!>'T ~~ if ~ ~ ~ 1firoIT ~

m4'Pt mm I1'tt ~ ft1n (d) the reasons for which Government ~ ~~ have permitted them to briDi such a *'" large amount of money and building ~ fwfl' ~ if; ~ 1967 <:Pn' materials for this college, when it is 1968 if lfmlffif if gt ~ if ~ situated at a strategic point? IJlf lXlfiffl1if, ~ 0lIfiffl1if <:Pn' ~ ~rran if ~ 'f'iC gt ~ ~ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTR Y OF HOME AFFAIRS ;ff.t it ~ ~ ~ : (SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA): (a) A Christian college has been fun- ctioning for some time at Seilmat. It is maintained by the Indo-Burma Pioneer ~an ~t Mission which has its headquarters in the !fit ~~ ~ United States of America. !fit !fit ~~ ~ ~ ~ (b) According to information available, ~ the building has been constructed at a 1967 7995 373 2976 4974 cost of sixty-five thousand dollars received 1968 7893 400 3316 4657 from America. The Mission had imported 4,000 corrugated aluminium sheets for, among other works, the Christian colleae. ~ if 'f'iC gt ~i if; am: if mm 'ff<'m if;

College opened by Christian Missionaries near Imphal

S97. SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: SHRI BANSH NARAIN SINGH: 598. ~~ SHRI SHRI GOPAL SABOO: ~~~~' : SARI SHARDA NAND: ,,ar~~ Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS ~ '" 1J1II1If '"'" : be pleased to state: ~i~i'~ (a) whether it is a fact that a Christian ~ """'T'f '(R .mft : college is being opened at a distance of ~ 1<'1' lIT'f : about 37 miles from Imphal by foreign Christian missionaries; ~~~ ~~ (b) if so, how much money and build- ing materials have been imported for this college from foreign countries;

(c) whether it is also a fact that the buildina of this colleae will be fully air- conditioned; aDd 83 Written AnslI'ers FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Written AnslI'ers 84

~i ~~ lfil n~~ Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: ~ if; ~ q;:: ~ <: <@' ~ (a) whether Government's attention has ~ Ilfa: ~, <:it 'flIT ~ ~ it been drawn to the newspaper reports ~ fii;m tTlfT ~ which appeared during the recent visit fm of Shah of Iran to India about his personal opinion and advice to the Indian ( ~ 'flIT lff[ ~ W"f ~ flfi" ~ Princes regarding the Privy Purses; and fmft if; ~ ~ lfil arr<: ~ ~ am: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ~ I ~ ( 'ef) Ilf'l" <:it .n;;r;rr lfi"T MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS ~ 'flIT ~ am: Cfil: If>

fmu ~ ~ nr q.,n ("'0 ~o (b) Government have already taken a decision in principle in this matter and ~o amo ~o ~ : ~. (lfi") am: for the rest Government have no comment ~ if anft <:fifo itm lfi"li fm ;r@' to make on this reported statement. ffi

Witbdrawal of Cases Against Government ~ am: ('ef). ~ if; ~r Employees by Kerala Government ~ if; ~, fiftnft if; ~ 3f't'ift il'l':T '~ ~' it arrcrnr if; ~ 600. SHRI SITARAM KESRI: SHRI R. K. AMIN: ~ ~ f[T q'p.f ~ I ~ if;

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE correspondence with the State Government. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA): (a) and (b). The Kerala Government ~~ II'iT m mr11ft ~ have decided to issue orders Withdrawing the cases arising out of the Essential 602. "" ~ ~ 'fm:m: ;m Services (Maintenance) Act, 1968. ~ ~ ~it The Central Government had advised fm1T ;tft

(c) the reaction of Government? 603. ~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE riA. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS ~ ifiT FIT ~it fit; : (SHRI VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA): (a) to (c). While suggesting the ii~i~~~ appointment of a Boundary Commission to deal with Nagaland's claims for certain it ~ if ~ ~ ~ ifi'm: flfilfT t am: areas of Assam the Chief Minister of Nagaland had also referred to the need for integrating with Nagaland the conti- guous areas inhabited by Nagas. The ~ ? question of appointing a Boundary Commission in regard to Nagaland's claim ~~~~~ for certain areas in Assam is under consideration and the matter is under .,,0 ..rfq: (ifi) ;;ft, ~ I 87 Wrillen Answers FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Wrillen Answers 88

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606. SHRI HEM RAJ: Will the Minis- 605. ~~~~~ ter of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to ~~ state: ~~~ (a) whether it is a fact that the anti- ~~~nan Hindi agitation has again been in evidence ~~oo~ in Madras; and ~ an~ SAim mm : ~~~,,~~ (b) if so, its causes and the losses ~ ~ fqT1if : incurred to Government property due to the violent activities of these agitators? ,..t~~ ~ rn "'""" ~ : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ~~li~ MINISTR Y OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ~rn.'~ VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA):

Govenment Employees Allotted to at'1'Yf",f'!,,;y if>"t 'lrci'f ~ mITP;lCf Hlmac:bal Pradesh ",4 .... lf<41 if ~ ~ it~ am: (1)7. SHR! HEMRAJ: Will the Mini- ster of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to ~ ~~ ~,a ~~ 'flIT 'fiR'IT state the final number of Government ~ ~ ~ ~ employees allotted to Himachal Pradesh am: '!'iT srfmTur from the composite Punjab who have '!'iT f'fl'f SI"fl'11: <'IT'Ii ~ '!'iT f'f'iifl<: ~ ? opted to remain in Himachal Pradesh and the number of those who have opted 'l~..i ~~ to go either the Punjab or Haryana ? if mQ'.,n (IItT .~~ : (it» ~ ~. ~ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ~ ~ ~ MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHR! amffirfii am: if srm- VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA): Out of ~cr ~ arftl'fi' ~ if ~ ~, 23,318 employees of the erstwhile State lIT ~ srfm-P;lCf f.tilfT ;;niI1rr, ~~ of Punjab who had been provisionally ~ ~ ~ allocated to Himachal Pradesh, 4,647 1fi'lf1'<'flif ifl't 1968 if have represented seeking final allocation ~~ ~ lJ'IIT ~ fit> ~ ltiT't it to Punjab and 1,196 have represented for ~~r~l'', ~~' final allocation to Haryana. The remain- ing employees have not submitted any m lIT ~ ~ '!'iT ~ ~ ;;@' representation for change in their flfT ~ am: ~~ '!'iT ifl1'lt ~~ II amj- allocation. r..'f'fifl am: r..'f'fifl ~ fifi ~~ amffirfii ~ ar',Mf'l"'l "" ~ ~ ~ ~ mm- if sr~cr ~,~ @ f<;n:rr ~ ~

60S. ~~~ Posts Reserved for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes ~ar~~

~~.t (1)9. SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK: Will the Minister of EDUCATION be 'flIT 'l~~ ~ iIOR ..". ~ pleased to refer to the reply given to Il'ft Unstarred Question No. 5371 on the 20th ii~i fifi : December, 1968 and state :

(ifi) 'flIT ~ Wif ~ fifi ~~ (a) the details of the rules continued atl'Yf",M'f.'j ..". ;rf 'lrci'f q<: sr~ "t ~ am: mmur '!'iT ~ amj- Adviser and also for reserving less posts of Technical Assistants than the fixed ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ r..'f'flt1'f if <'IT'Ii fuit quota; t~~~~ (c) the permanent posts out of the (If) IflIT W ~ if ~ '!'iT three posts of Hindi Stenographers in the personal staff of Ministers and the manner fflR ~ ~'i ltiT ~ ~ in which the persons work ing on those rn'!'iT ~~~i ~ posts were appointed; 91 Written Answers FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Wrilfen Answers 92

(d) the reasons for not reserving the accordance with the roster mentioned at remaining two posts of stenographers; (a) above which makes provision for the prescribed percentage of reservation. It (e) whether it is proposed to reserve is not proposed to make any deviation some more posts of Technical Assistants therefrom. and one or two posts of Hindi Steno- graphers in the near future in accordance with the orders of the Ministry of Home Affairs;

(f) if so, the time by which it will be .,,~~ "t qfu;o AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. V.K.R.V. RAO) : (a) Taking into consideration the ~ ~ it 22 i;]'1'ffif 1962 'I>"t percentage of reservation laid down for lJ'Q fm f<1!IT ~ flf ~ ~ 'fiT, the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled l!;1f "t f"li'1I"df(f1 insructions of the Ministry of Home lfiT 'I>"tt fcr;m: ~. Affairs indicated briefly at (a) above. rn am: '~ l'~ (f) ~ (c) All the three posts of Hindi Steno- . i1W, "t gf ~i' ~ ~ ~~ (e) to (g). The reservation and recruit- li' fon!: trit fiI1JTlJ' iii ment in all grades is being made in ili~'lt m l'~~ 39 Written Answers PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) Written Answers 94

~ 'IT fiI; ~ lll~ it fm ~ (b) No, Sir. ~ it qt-;r 'f1t lI>'T rn lI>'T ~, it (c) Yes, Sir; but the contractor is beinl ~ ~ -;fflT SNT1f if; i~ ~i'l changed. ~ 'Ii<: ~ I ~ ~ it m it, The Government do not propose to ~~~~~'''il appoint such a Committee, as both the ',r'~ Estimates Committee and the Public Accounts Committee of Parliament have alreadY made certain SUlllestions for ~ c~rr'l ~'i'lo' ep.rr ~ improvements after their visits to Ajanla ffi;t; ifiTli ~ ~ ",4"'lfd ~ ~ ~ ri~ fCMlT ~ ~o 4581 it ~ it ~ l'J1:I; mr 1967-68 it fit;;r oo;ff it ~t am

(iii) ~,nrorr ~, ~ Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS 97 Wrillen Answl'rs PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) W,illen Answers 98

be pleasad to state:

Coastal Shipping Industry (1" ~ am: steps taken for the rehabilitation of the coastal shipping industry in the light of the recommendations made by the Study ( l1f) W wit:;r;r it; ~ ~ If" Group appointed in September 1967 ? i~rn~lttr~

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING m-m fiMtT am- ~ "'" AND TRANSPORT (SHRI RAGHU ~' ~~ sf\' RAMAIAH): The recommendations of the """""' if ( Study Group as adopted by the National ~ ~ (

Andaman Traffie (lif) 1967-6b if ~ ~ 617. SHRI MUHAMMAD SHERIFF: if>'t 84.81 ..,.... ~ Will the Minister of TRANSPORT AND l!>1" -urn me.r SHIPPING be pleased to statc: i'l~ 99 Wrille1l Allswers FEBRUARY 21,1969 Writlen Answers 100

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Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Action Taken Against Employees Who PartIcIpated in the Strike on the 19th (a) whether, in view of the discussions September, 1968 on the Essential Services Maintenance Bill passed by the Parliament in the last 62S. SHRI N. K. SOMANI: Session and the assurance given by SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL: Government in connection therewith, the SHRI YASHWANT SINGH cases of Government employees who KUSHWAH: participated in the strike on the 19th SHRI HIMATSINGKA: September, 1968. including those in the SHRI K. M. KOUSHIK: different States have been reviewed; SHRI M. L. SONDHI: SHRI R. K. AMIN: (b) if so, cases against how many SHRI S. K. TAPURIAH: Government employees have since been SHRI S. KUNDU: withdrawn or dropped and how many of SHRI N. SHIVAPPA: them since been reinstated; SHRI D. R. PARMAR: SHRI NANJA GOWDER: (c) the types and nature of cases in SHRI P. C. ADICHAN: which employees have been reinstated or SHRI B. K. DAS- exonerated of the charges and the precise CHOWDHURY: nature of cases in which they are being (i) SHRI D. N. PATODIA: proceeded against departmentally, and (Ii) SHRICHENGALRAYA prosecuted in courts; NAIDU: SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: (d) the actioh Government propose to SHRI HARDA YAL DEVGUN: take to reinstate the employees assinst SHRI SITARAM KESRI: whom cases are still pending; and SHRI MADHU LIMA YE: SHRI OM PRAKASH TY AGI: (e) whether Government propose to SHRI MANIBHAI J. PATEL: condone the break in service of employees SHRI R. K. SINHA: particularly those who are on the verge of SHRI P. M. SAYEED: retirement? SHRI C. C. DESAI: SHRI ONKAR SINGH: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHRT BHARAT SINGH MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI CHAUHAN: VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA): (a) Ins- lOS Wrillen Answers PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Soko) Wrillen Answers 106

tructions have been issued on 4th January, forego drinks on the New Year day; and 1969 to the Ministries etc. to review the cases. (d) if so, the reaction of Government in this regard ? (b) and (c). The necessary information is being collected. THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN (d) Ministries have been asked not to SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. take further disciplinary action in the case of employees who are convicted only under (b) No, Sir. Foreign tourists are not Section 4 of the Essential Services Main- affected by dry day restrictions inasmuch tenance Ordinance, 1968, and in whose as liquor is available to them at hotels cases the Head of the Department is satis- licensed to serve it, although retail liquor fied that the employee's role in the strike shops are closed on dry days. was a passive one limited to absence from duty on 19. 9. 68 without any aggravating (c) and (d). Government have on such factors. In other words, such employees, information. if under suspension, should be permitted to rejoin duty without taking disciplinary Central Advisory Committee On Road action. Similarly, instructions have been Planning issued that an employee arrested for an offence solely under Section 4 of the 627. SHRI N. K. SOMANI: Ordinance need not be suspended on SHRI R. V. NAIK: continued on suspension merely on that SHRI K. M. KOUSHIK: count. SHRI R. K. AMIN: SHRI N. SHIVAPPA: (e) Instructions have been issued to the SHRI D. R. PARMAR: Ministries to review the cases of persons SHRI C. C. DESAI: who are on the verge of retiremen!. It is open to the Ministries/Departments to Will the Minister of TRANSPORT condone the break after considering the AND SHIPPING be pleased to state: merits of each case. (a) whether the Central Advisory Dry Day Restrictions in Deihl Committee on Road Planning was cons- tituted some two year back; 626. SHRI N. K. SOMANI: SHRI K. P. SINGH DEO: (b) if so, the number of meetings of the SHRI R. K. AMIN: Advisory Committee held during the last SARI N. SHIVAPPA: two years; and SHRI D. R. PARMAR: SHRI NANJA GOWDER: (c) the details of work done by the SHRI C. C. DESAI: Advisory Committee ? Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state: THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY (a) whether the 31st December, 1968 AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY was a dry day in Delhi; OF SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI IQBAL SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. (b) whether the restrictions on this day were applicable even to foreigners and (b) and (c). The Committee held its tourists from abroad; first meetill8 on 2nd January 1969. At that meeting, the Committee reviewed the (c) whether it is a fact that the Lt. road requirements of the Central and State Governor of Delhi, has expressed surprise Governments for the Fourth Plan, on the action of the District authorities including the Annual plan for 1969 and which compelled even foreian tourists to endorsed the priorities and phasing for 107 Wrlttlln Ans"",rs FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Written Answers 108

National Highway Sc:hemes. It also Andhra Pradesh. Gov!. of Tamil Nadu have appointed a Sub-Group to JO into the intimated that a Tamil cyclostyled docu- question of inter-State roads, priority and ment, issued by Shri S. Majumdar of West phasing of programme and integrated Bengal and appealing to the extremists in development of various categories of State Tamil Nadu to form armed bases amongst roads in greater detail. The Committee agriculturists has been found in circulation recommended the question of inter-sll in the State. Information from Govls. priority in regard to rural roads also to be of Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Kerala, Assam examined further. In addition, the Commi- and Rajasthan is awaited. ttee also considered various matters relating to the development and maintenance of India's Performance at Mexico Olympics strategic roads. 619. SHRI P. VISWAMBHARAN: Seeret Documents Circulated 8IIIOIIlISt SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL: Naulltes SHRI M.N. REDDY: 628. SHRI N. K. SOMANI: Will the Minister of EDUCATION be SHRI R. V. NAIK: pleased to state: SHRlJ.MOHAMMADIMAM: SHRI R. K. AMIN:

(b) if so, whether Government have THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION made any enquiries as to the authenticity AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. or otherwise of the secret document; and V.K.R.V. RAO): (a) to (c). No, Sir. The matter is still under the consideration of (c) the details thereof? the All India Council of Sports.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) No, Sir. The Government of India MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI would be lidded by the report of the All VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA): (a) Yes, India Council of Sports in the matter. Sir. InternatIonal Tourist Centre at Kovalam (b) and (c). According to information (Kerala) furnished by State Governments no such document is reported to have been circu- 630. SHRI P. VISWAMBHARAN: lated in the Union Territories of NEFA, Will the Minister of TOURISM AND Manipur, Himachal Pradesh, Pondicherry, CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state: Cbandigarh, Andaman and Nicobar Islands, Ttlpura and Delhi and in the states of (a) whether the details for developing Punjab, Madhya Pradesh, Haryana, West Kovalam in Kerala as an international Benpl, Mysore, Gujarat, Orissa, and tourist centre have been finalised; 109 Writ/en Answers PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) Writ/en An.,wers 110

(b) if so, the total estimated cost of the the deepening and widening of the rock bar Project; in the inner channel is still in progress. As regards Mormugao, the port can be (c) whether the design for the proposed opened for night navigation after the port Hotel India at Kovalam has been finalised acquires a shipping tug. At Paradip, and, if so, when the construction of the the shipping movements are very few at Hotel will start? present and do not require the provision of night navigation facilities. THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN (c) The objective underlying the pro- SINGH): (a) to (c). The Kovalam Project vision of facilities for night navigation is has been included in the draft Fourth to ensure improved shipping turn-round Five Year Plan. A leading architect has and quicker handling of cargo. been selected and plans prepared by him discussed in detail. Estimates will be .~i lt~~ finalised on completion of the Project Report and construction will start after overall clearance is received from the 632 . .n '"'" smR : Expenditure Finance Committee. lar~ .n~ Night Navigational Facilities

631. SHRI MANIBHAI J. PATEL: '!lIT fm1T ~ ~ ~

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~ ~ ~ ~orn.tt ~ (a) whether it is a fact that shipbuild. m ing work is being greatly handicapped at ifoi;iT fifo : Visakhapatnam on account of lack of a big crane; (ifo) '!'lIT ~ !;Rif ~ fifo ~ ~ it Q;ifo armr it ~~ 'llrof (b) whether ships of bigger size could ~ it mr wrnr;:r ~ CI"1T ~~ not be produced because of the lack of this required crane; and ~llli~~~ ~

(l!I") l~ ~ ~l (c) the steps being taken by Govern· i!T, i'tl it ment to secure the desired crane? ~~ itil~ ~ ~~'~ if m~ flfim" ;;rr ~ ~ CfIlfT '!'lIT THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE ~'i ~''ll ~ ~.t ~ ~ DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY ~l' m ~~~ if Sl'if>Tfmf ~r OF SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT ~ ~~ if Sl'if>Tfmf ~ ~ ~''ll (SHRI IQBAL SINGH): (a) to (c). With the existing equipment and it ~ tTf1iTCf flfim" ;;rr ~ ~ ; ~i m of cranage facilities at the berths and the jetty. Government have already approved ~ ~ ~ ( 'E{) 'fil if,'f Cfif, of the aquisition of certain urgently needed if ~ ~ ;;nit

635. SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL: (c) whether the Commission's report Will the Minister of TRANSPORT AND has failed to satisfy the demands and SHIPPING be pleased to state: aspirations of the employees and they are 115 Wriflen Answers FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Wrl/len Answer.• 116 now demanding the appointment of yet be pleased to state: another Commission. (a) whether a seven year old boy had THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE been sacrificed in Raipur District of MINISTR Y OF HOME AFFAIRS Madhya Pradesh in the middle of (SHRI VlDY A CHARAN SHUKLA): December, 1968; (a) The Punjab Pay Commission submitted its report on 1-11-1968. According to (b) if so, whether the culprits have information received from the State been traced; and Government the main recommendations related to scales of pay, abolition of (c) the circumstances in which the dearness pay as a separate element, and human sacrifice took place ? refixation of pay in the revised scale on a point to point basis. There were also THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE other recommendations which involved MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS reorganisation of cadres, abolition of (SHRI K. S. RAMASWAMY): (a) to classifications, changes in the methods of (c). Facts are being ascertained from recruitment, abolition of distinction bet- the State Government. ween Band C Class officers, revision of prescribed qualifications etc. ~~~an~

(b) The State Government have reported ~~~~ that recommendations regarding rev ised scales of pay have been accepted, except 638 . .n ~ in a few cases where such revision would ~ aftq sr-mr ~ : result in anomalies. Recommendations ...n~~ relating to dearness pay and refixation of pay in the revised scales have also been ~~ snn~ accepted. The recommendation regarding abolition of distinction between Band C 'flIT ~ *,1l:1il: 'f

637. SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL: ('!f) ~~, m- 'flIT ~ ifiT ~ SHRI D. R. PARMAR: ~ ifiT ~ ~ ~ SHRI P. N. SOLANKI: armr rn fm SHRI DEVEN SEN: m: ~ arr"11liTU if; r.nt l:Iil: ~ ~ SHRI KIKAR SINGH: fif; ~ ~ it ~ lJ'it fcarvr ifiT aN SHRI ONKAR LAL BERWA: ~ ~ ~ SHRI R. K. AMIN: 3I"'f.t mf'flft fm l:Iil: SHRI RAMACHANDRA J. ~~~ni ; AMIN: SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: (IT) ~~, m- ~ armr if>'f q-ifO Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS ~ f.f;it ;;rR- l!iT ~ ~ ; ~ 117 Wrillen Answers PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) Written Answers 118

under consideration of the Government to set up a Hindi University in the South.

(b) and (c). Question does not arise. ll~~ q ~~ ('>1' fQ'l'm\' .~ ~ ~ IndIan Institute of Technology, Kanpur ~r ~ il~ if

~ ~ ~ it; ~ (a) whether Government have made an (llf) (tf). assessment of the working of the Indian ~~ ~r ~ ~ fif; ~

(a) whether there is any proposal under (b) the number of cases in which Class consideration of Government to set up a I Officers of his Ministry on retirement at Hindi University in the South; the age of 58 were reappointed durinll the year 1968; (b) whether the site for the University has been selected by Government and; if (c) the names of those officers; and so, the details thereof; and (d) the reasons for their extension or (c) the funds allocated for the same? reappointment ?

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION THE MINISTER OF PARLIA- AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. V. K. MENTARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING R. V. RAO): (a) There is no proposal now AND TRANSPORT (SHRI RAGHU 119 Writren Answers FEBRUARY 21, 1969 120

RAMAIAH): (a) and (d) So far as the Tribunal; and Ministry of Transport and Shipping is concerned, there was no case of a Class (b) if not, the time by which it is likely I Officer who was granted extension of to be agreed upon ? service or was re-employed after the age of 58. THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. V. K. (b) and (c) do not arise. R. V. RAO): (a) There is no material change in the position indicated in the ~oa Hotels LTD., New DeIhl reply given on 6th December, 1968.

642. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: (b) It is difficult to say at present how SHRI A. SREEDHARAN: much longer it will take.

Will the Minister of TOURISM AND Air-India To Enter Hotel Industry CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state: 644. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: (a) whether Government have made an SHRI R. R. SINGH DEO: assessment of the working of Ashoka SHRI N. K. SANGHI: Hotels LID .• New Delhi during the last three years; SHRI D. N. PATODIA: SHRI MANIBHAI J. PATEL: SHRI BIBHUTI MISHRA: (b) the nature of irregularities found SHRICHENGALRAYA during the same period; and NAIDU: SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL: (e) the nature of action taken in the SHRI S. C. SAMANTA: mattcr? SHRI YASHPAL SINGH: SHRI RANJIT SINGH: THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK: CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SHRI HARDAYAL DEVGUN: SINGH) (a) to (c). The Committee on SHRI D. C. SHARMA: Public Undertakings examined the work- SHRI K. P. SINGH DEO: ing of the Ashoka Hotels LTD. and sub- SHRI BENI SHANKER mitted a report in April, 1968. The SHARMA: recommendations are under examination. SHRI BABURAO PATEL: Apart from this, Government have not SHRI Y. A. PRASAD: made any other assessment. SHRIRAMACHANDRA Acquisition of India Office Library, VEERAPPA: London. Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : 643. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: DR. SUSHILA NAY AR: SHRIA. SREEDHARAN: (a) whether the Air-India has decided SHRI S. C. SAMANTA: to enter into hotel industry ; SHRI YASHPAL SINGH: SHRI VISWANATH PANDEY: (b) the circumstances under which this decision has been taken ; Will the Minister of EDUCATION be pleased to refer to the reply siven to (c) the details of the projects to be Starred Question No. 598 on the 6th undertaken ; and December, 1968, regarding acquisition of India Office Library, London and state: (d) whether Government would consider handing over these projects to the Govern- (a) whether the Governments of Pakistan, ment owned India Tourism Development India and U. K. haYe agreed regarding Corporation which is responsible for the the terms of the reference of the proposed development of Hotel Industry ? 121 Writ/en Answers PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) Wrillen Answers 122

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM SHRI HUKAM CHAND AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN KACHWAI; SINO H)' (a) and (c). Air-India have pro- SHRI HIMTSINGKA : posals to construct a hotel at the Santa SHRI S. K. TAPURIAH ; Cruz Airport at a cost of Rs. 3 crores, SHRI A. DIPA : and another at Juhu Beach in Bombay, SHRI DEORAO PATlL : at a cost of Rs. 1 crore. SHRI YAJNADATTSHARMA: SHRI RABI RAY: (b) International Airlines like Air- SHRI Y. A. PRASAD : India are interested in flight kitchens for SHRIRAMACHANDRA catering on board the aircraft and also VEERAPPA: in hotel accommodation not only for their crew but also for stop-over passengers. Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS Several international airlines have hotels be pleased to state : or chains of hotels of their own. (a) whether his Ministry has a~ (d) No, Sir. In view of the shortage of inquiries into the incidents in Kilvenmani hotel accommodation in India, the India Village in Tarijore District in which 42 Tourism Development Corporation will Harijans were burnt to death; be fully occupied with hotel projects of their own. Any further effort, whether (b) if so, the details of the incidents; from the private sector or from an airline like Air-India to supplement the efforts (c) the action proposed to be taken at of the India Tourism Development the level of the Central Government in Corporation would be welcome. regard to this incident; and

Burning or Harljans In TanJore Incident (d) whether the Central Government have provided any relief to the survivors 645. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES; of the atrocity on the Harijans in the above SHRIMATI SAVITRY SHYAM ; incident? SHRI A. SREEDHARAN ; SHRI HEM BARUA ; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHRI R. R. SINGH DEO ; MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI SHRI RAGHUVIR SINGH VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA); (a) and (b). SHASTRI; According to information received from SHRI B. N. SHASTRI; the State Government the kisans of village SHRI N. K. SANGHI ; Kilavenmani in district Tanjore attacked SHRI R. K. SINHA; about 20 agricultural labourers at about SHRI R. K. AM IN ; 7-30 p. m. on 25th December, 1968, when SHRI D. R. PARMAR: the latter were returning after harvesting SHRI K. M. KOUSHIK ; some crops. In this attack one DR. SUSHILA NAY AR : of the labourers was killed while the SHRI MEETHA LAL MEENA ; remaining escaped to villages Irukkai SHRI N. SHIVAPPA : and Irinjur. The kisans also attacked SHRIK.M.MADHUKAR: some of the houses in which the labourers SHRI BHOOENDRA JHA : had taken shelter. As a retaliatory SHRI K. LAKKAPPA ; measure the villagers of Irukkai and Irin- SHRI LATAFAT ALI KHAN; jur armed with deadly weapons including SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL: Ore arms came 10 village Kilavenmani and SHRI P. C. ADICHAN : attacked the kisans. They also set fire to DR. KARANI SINOH : a house in the rear room of which were SHRI VASUDEVAN NAIR: hiding the women and children of the SHRI MANIBHAI J. PATEL: village. 11 was found in the early hours of SHRI OM PRAKASH TYAOI : nellt morning that 42 persons including SHRI BHARAT SINGH 3 made adults, 19 female adults and 20 CHAUHAN: children had been burnt to death. 123 Writ/en Allswers FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Written Answers 124

(c) The . investilllltion of the cases allainst the employees. rellistered on the incidents is being held by the State C. I. D. under the charlie of (c) As the question of restoration of a Deputy Inspector General of Police. recognition of the central Government The Central Government has advised the Employees' unions, which participated in State Government to take all necessary the strike, is not under consideration, the steps to prevent the recurrence of any question regarding the time by which a violence as a result of any continuance of decision is likely to be taken in the matter tension in that area. does not arise.

(d) No, Sir. The State Government are Allocation for Education During reported to have taken steps to provide Fourth Plan relief to the affected families. 647. SHRI VASUDEVAN NAIR: SHRI RAMAVTAR SHASTRI: RestoratIon of Recognition of Central DR. RAN EN SEN: Government Employees' Union and SHRI CHANDRA SEKHAR withdrawal of Pollee cases against SINGH: Government Employees. SHRI J. M. BISWAS:

646. SHRI VASUDEVAN NAIR: Will the Minister of EDUCATION be SHRI RAMAVTAR SHASTRI: pleased to state : SHRI INDRAnT GUPTA: DR. RAN EN SEN: (a) whether the cut in the Fourth Plan SHRI DHIRESWAR KALlTA: allocation for education from Rs. 1300 to SHRI YASPAL SINGH: Rs. 850 crores has seriously affected the programmes for Primary education; Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS (b) whether it is a fact that the gap in be pleased to state : the resources will make it impossible even to maintain the present pace of progress (a) whether the question of restoration in the Primary education; of recognition of the Central Government Employees' Unions and the withdrawal of (c) if so, whether any steps have been Police cases against employees who parti- taken to raise local resources for the cipated in the token strike of 19th programme; and September, 1968, have been considered; (d) if so, the details thereof? (b) if so, the decision taken in the matter; and THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. (b) if not, the time by which the V. K. R. V. RAO): (a). Yes, Sir. The decision is likely to be taken ? Fourth Plan allocation fot general and technical education now stallds at Rs. 809 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE crorcs. This constraint of resources will MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI affect the pace of educational development VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA): (a) and in all sectors and especially in primary (b). The question of restoration of recoll- education; nition of Central Government Employees' Unions, which participated in the strike, (b) In the third Plan, the enrolment of has not been considered. The question of children in classes I-V increased by withdrawal of Police cases apinst the 147.3 lakhs-from 341.9 lakhs (or 62.4 per employees, who participated in the strike, cent of the population in the age-group has been considered, and it has been 6-11) to 497.2 lakhs (or 75.6 per cent of decided that the cases should not be Nith- the corresponding age-group). In the drawn where prima facie material exists Fourth Plan, the additional enrolment will 125 Written Answers PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Soko) Writ/en Answer< 126 be smaller 123.1 lakhs-and the percentage ~ i ~ ~ fif;it ~ ~ \'f'IT -a-m of enrolment in Classes I-V to the total population of children in the age-group rt.r~ !tiT ;;rr ~ ~ i itlft ~ 6-11 will rise only from 77.9 to 84.9. ''~ir~~it ~ ~ if ~ ;ft ~~t a-;jf 'I><: (c) and (d). The central Advisory m Board of Education has recommended that ~ i ~i '~ ~ ~ additional local resources should be raised '!><:it if; ar~, ~ m1Im: it ~~ for the development of primary education. The proposal has been brought to the &l'Jf if ~ 'l>T ~ ~'

( I) i~ mro \'f'IT lh:- ~ mr ~t 648. "" ~~ ~ ~ : l~~i~i "" 'iifiM'i., ah, : ;;rt.r ~ '!><:it d'tfT \;fi1'- ~~ ~i~~~i~ ~~ if; f<;rQ; arrcr~ ~ '!><:it "" f'i1' ... ~ : ~ 'Z'f' fcroq- "3"f f.;r<;r..mr ~ ~ ~ ~ iffif.t ;ft ii'IT ;ft f.1Wifd' ;ft tfl ~ I '~ : (2) q.; ~ i'~ 'l>T ('I» ~ t~~ ~ f'l> arr.'!:l m ~ ~ llh: '~ if; f<;rQ; i~ita~~~ ~ .~~ If,T if; 1!T1T 'f>1' 3f'l"lTllT ~ am: RWifd' 'tfT tff ~ I

~ ~ ~ 'I>T ilITu ~ ~ (3) ~ i;!;;-;;rrfu fi!1nf 'f>1' am: ~ ~ if ~arn it ~ ~ fiTfur;ft ~ ~ ~t ~ fif;it ~ ? ~'t~~tr~ I 'l~ iIiTIi ~ if ~ am ( 4) ~~ if ~ 3th: ( "" .,,~ !r"" ): ('I» am: f'iff'IiffiT ~ ~nt ~ ~. ~ m1Im: mr ~r if; f<;rQ; fm ~ ;mit;;rr ~i~rc.t ~ ~~ ~i ~ ~ ~ if; ( 5) \;fi1'-;;rrfulit if; ~rll 'l>T eT'lf if ~ it ~ 'icli~~i ~ 'f>1' '!><:it ltiT ;ft ~ i m1Im:, mr ltiT 'Ii ~ W'ffm rlT.c ~ ~ if ~r eT'lfT 'f>Tlfcn-tT if; mvrnrffiF'f -a-m tffir- if; fcr-mr if; fm1; ~ aro~ ~~ ~''i~i ~~ ;ft 'Ii ~ I ~~it~i~ iftftnfi!Tf ~ arq;:ft lh: -lIilWiT ~l 'f>1' A;'!: (6) ~ ~ '!><:it if; ~ flli ~ "'11Ji<: ~ ~ i ~, 1968 ...,.~~t~ ~~~~~~, 'I>T ~~' ~ fi:rqnor ll't am: FIT \'f'IT ~ ~ m lfiVIT ~ ~ mr f...-ir ITit ~ 127 Wri/len Answers FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Wrltlen Answus 128

~i,'lr~~ progress has been made in the development of rural roads during the three plans; and ~ ~, m'll' ~ f\;tm ~ '1<: ~'i'~ ~ (b) if so, whether Government are IJif ~ I considering to set up any organisation for the development of rural roads? ~~r.'r.~ THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 649. ~ tm1I'elMe: pte:: DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY w AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF ~ "'" ~ ~ 1P!T ~ SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI ~ ..n- !i'1T ~'it fit; : IQBAL SINGH): (a) and (b). The State Governments are primarily concerned with ~ W ~ ~ if; the dovelopment and maintenance of <'fTlfT. Rural Roads. The table below indicates *'i1'3l1 ~ .r~ if ~ ~ the progress on the construction of Rural JI'T1f;;r 'tT ~ fit; ~ ~ if; ~ Roads (other district Roads and Village Roads) during the three Plans: ~ ~ ir~ ~i ~ lfiT ;;rrit am: llft ~t, <:fT ~ '1<: ~ if w Y.-ar O.R.D. V.R. Total ~~ ..n- ~ 3f'h: (in lakh kms) 1.66 2.47 (lif) ~ ~ ~~i 1950-51 0.81 1955-56 0.87 2.47 3.29 ~, ~ ~ t

The Government of India have no proposal for setting up any organisation ~~~~ for the development Rural roads. Such '~ : (;;ro) ~, ~t I ~ organisations have to be essentially set "I' ;;roT ~rnr ~i,ran by the concerned State Governments. m ~ ~ ~ I tfTlR' ~~~ ~ Development of Calcutta Port amT m, 1969 ~ <'!T1J: ~ CfT<'fT 651. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA: lt~ ~r l'~ ~ 3fT1lT1ft if; SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: ~ ~rn ~~ ~sr~~ I DR. RAN EN SEN: SHRI P. C. ADICHAN: ~ ~ ~~, orf.I' SHRI K. HALDER: ~ ~..n ~~r ~ ~ '1<:, Will the Minister of TRANSPORT ~ ~ "1ft f'I"IfR rn ~ ~ ~ if; AND SHIPPING be pleased to State: ~i' '1<: flRT( 'R: ~ ~ I Trr;;r.T (a) whether the Fourth plan proposals ~ ~ l:fT wlli't ~ for the development of Calcutta Port have ~~~~l'i'~~ been finalised; (b) if so, the main features thereof; Dev.-Iopment of Rural Roads and

650. SHRIMATI SAVITRI SHYAM: (c) the estimated cost of the proposals'! Will the Minister of TRANSPORT AND SHIPPING be pleased to state: THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTAR Y (a) whether it is a fact that not much AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 129 Written Answers PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) Written A"swers 130

SHIPPING Al'oID TRANSPORT (SHRl the India Meteorological Department, the IQBAL SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. method suggested in the paper will not by itself be sufficient to predict the time (b) The programme includes the repla- and place of an earthquake. Possible cement of the existing fleet of floating methods for earthquake prediction arc craft and equipment and the improvement being developed in some advanced coun- of facilities for drydocking and ship-repa- tries of the world. However, intensive irs at Cacutta Port, the completion of a research and field work for long periods deep-drafted Dock System at Haldia and will have to be undertaken before any the execution of certain corrective works prediction can be attempted. Such scien- in the rivers Bhagirathi and Hooghly to tific programmes need large financial get the optimum benefits from the Farakka resources and it may not be possible for Barrage Project. the India Meteorological Department to undertake them until some further advances (c) The estimated cost of the Fourth have been made in this field in other Plan programme of Calcutta Port is as countries. follows:- Express.. ay To Paradeep Port (Rs. in crores) 6S3. SHRI SRADHAKAR SUPAKAR: Calcutta Port 5.86 Will the Minister of TRANSPORT AND Haldia Dock 40.52 SHIPPING be pleascd to state : Bhagirathi/Hooghly River Training (a) the progress made 50 far in the Work 8.64 construction of the expressway to Paradeep Port ;

ssm (b) the time by which the expressway is likely to be completed; and

Prediction of Earthquake (c) the reasons for the delay?

652. SHRI SRADHAKAR SUPAKAR: THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Will the Minister of TOURISM AND DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY CIVIL A VIA nON be pleased to state: AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF SHIPPING AND TRANS- (a) whether his attention has been PORT (SHRI IQBAL SINGH) : (a) to drawn to an article published in the 'Time' (c). The expressway to the Paradeep magazine dated the 13th December, 1968 Port is a State Road and the State about the research work of Dr. L.Mansinha Government of Orissa are primarily and another that the aberration in the concerned with all matters pertainina to exis of the earth within five to twenty this expressway. The required infor- days prior to major earthquakes will mation is being collected from them and enable man to Predict earthquake in will be laid on the Table of the Sabha future; and in due coursc. (b) whether this has been examined by Restrictions on Strike the Meteorological Department and whether any further research for the exact location of the possible spot of earthquake 654. SHRI M. SUDARSANAM: is being carried on in India ? Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN (a) the countries where strike by SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. Government and other Essential Services is banned either by leaislation and/or (b) In the opinion of the scientists of convention; 131 Written Answers FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Written Answers 132

(b) in countries where strikes arc not ~ if ~ 1111 ~ ~ banned whether there are any other restrictions on strikes; and 656 . ...n l~ ~ : !flIT (c) if so, the details thereof ~~ ~ ~ ~ lift FIT m fit>: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA): ('Ii) ~ ~ f.:rqlff ~ ~ (a) Australia, U.S.A., Japan, Switzerland, ~~~~~~, Sweden, Pakistan, Thailand, Malaysia ~ ~ and parts of Canada. it l!ior CIl!i fif;it ;;rR

(b) Yes-information is available only ( 'If) 'flIT ~~ ~ it m"t ~ ~ ? ~~r.~~ '~~~~~ 655 . ...n~~ ~ (...n l'~ ~ ~ ornT'fT ...n~~ ('Ii) ~~ 'ltT ~ f'li ~ iI;m l!i<:;r 'liT 'flIT m.r ~ ~ ~ 'liT FIT ~it'lir~, 'li~ ~ 'i~i f'li : lI>T ~ it m ~ rn ~ OOIiRr ~~l~~~ ('Ii) 'flIT ~ ~ ~ ~ ~arHt~ I ~~~~~~ ~~~t~ ( 'If) ;;iT ~, mifTi!: I

( 'If) lff<: j!t, ~ ilil~ 'flIT ~ ; ( tT ) ~o~ rr@' lftm ,

am Air India to Carry Surplus Passengers of Indian Airlines Corporation On (tT) !flIT ~~ lI>T ~ Internal Services ~ ~ ~ f"f'if l~ ~

(c) how far this has reduced the waiting (c) how far the different taxes have lists for the LA.C. passengers on different been and are being proposed to be raised flights? this year as compared to those prevalent in 1967 on the eve of last General THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND Elections and how far these taxes have CIVIL AVIATION (Dr. KARAN SINGH): raised the cost of living of the people in (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. The following Delhi? arrangements have been made on the basis of a directive issued by Government: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (i) Air-India will carry, in their (SHRI VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA): Economy Class, domestic passengers on (a) The Delhi Administration propose the Delhi-Bombay, BombaY-Calcutta and to increase (i) sales tax on certain items; Bombay-Madras sectors of their interna- and (ii) Motor Vehicles Tax. The Deihl tional flights. Municipal Corporation have decided to increase the property tax, water and power (ii) The Indian Airlines will be respon- charges. sible for the sales of such accommodation on the basis that accommodation (b) (i) Sales Tax on pure silk fabrics. available on the Indian Airlines' flights will be sold first and thereafter accommo- (ii) Sales Tax on cotton threads. dation available on Air-India will be sold, it being understood that till all the available (iii) Increase in the rate of Motor seats on Air-India are sold, no one would Vehicles Tax at the ratc be put on the waiting list unless any of 25%. particular passenger prefers to be wait-listed for a particular Indian Airlines' flight. The proposals are under consideration with the Government. (iii) Air-India will be responsible for (e) Details are contained in the state- ground handling of the domestic passen- ment laid on the Table of the House. gers travelling on their services. [Placed in library. See No. LT-76/691. (c) Consequent on this arrangement, there has been no waiting list on the above three sectors. ~ ~ i~ ~ f\IN ~' 'l'il',,~ Taxes In Delhi 660. ~ ami' ~ ,,~ : 659. SHRI A. SREEDHARAN : ~ """"" mI' .mit : SHRI HIMATSINGKA : ~~ SHRI S. K. TAPURIAH: SHRI P. C. ADICHAN: ~~~ Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS ~ ~ "'" "'" : be pleased to state : w mlllT ~ ~ ~ 11ft prr (a) whether the Delhi Administration rn fiI;: propose to increase power and water charges and property tax, sales tax and (Iti) ~ rro ~~ 135 Wrlttm Answers FEBRUARY 21, 1969 WrltMn Answers 136

~ ~ SI1rnR m'llilf ~ ~ ~ mll1ll'l' " ~ 1rtqq'tr 'Ifoo l!>'T Iff ~ mlffu ~ ~ a~ 1!il ~ ~ fllfOifT ~l ~ 661. 'I' am.- ~ ~ : .n~.~, ~ li~ ~t, m ~ ~, .n~~ ~ ~ ~ l!>T ilI'ttT w ~ ? .n p l11if:

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( 50) ~ ~t, T SffifTcr ~ !lfCfro lift Iff ~,~ ~ ~cr ~ «f<: lift ~~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ lJ'{1fi ~ q;.,jt ("1"10 ~ ~ ~ ~, ~ "'IT!!IT ~ ~ .'0 to ~o .'0 mf): (Tltl ~ ~ am: li~ if ~, m--wt, ~ mlffu ~ m'ifcr ~ ~ if ( 2) itCf'Tl!Till ~ m if ~ 3fTlil;r ~ IfiTIf m ~ ~tr ir~ fllfOifT lift ~ if;) 0fI1J ~i ~ m if '!iT I 'TIfT ~ I ~ mom if t:r;lfo ~o am: (rr) ~ 'f': ~ am: ~o ito ~ o;r)<: ~ m l!>T ~ m

(If) o;rrfW?: fu1i if ~ ~ wrnR ~ if ~ ~ arilrt'~ ~ m if ~ ~ I ~ if;T ;;rtq,.;r ;;rr <:@ ~ I 662. 'IT amor ~, .~ : .n~~ ( f.T) am: (50). ~i m-'qcr l!>T '~~ ~ ~ IIilf OR ~ ;r:rm 'TIfT ~, ~~ .n p l11if: ~ " ~ rn amrm mr ;wm: ~ if;) w ~ 'f': ~ m l!>T ifIfT mm ~ ~ ~ lift FIT ~~~ rn f1r; : 137 Wrltltm Answers PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) Written Answers 138

( iii) !flIT ifuj ii~ if ~ be pleased to state: U: ~ ~ ~ ~~ ;t't I1f (a) whether it is a fact that the number ~~ 0'i!IT m1IJ1li1 ~ m if ~ ~ of pending cases in various Hiib Courts ~~~~ and the Supreme Court is on the increase; ~ ~, ~ ~ ~ m- m (b) if so, the reasons therefor; ~~ m'Il OI!IT ~ !flIT ~ ; (c) the number of cases pending as on ( IT) !flIT ~ i'~ if '1ft the 31st December, 1968 in various Hjah Courts and the Supreme Court. ~ ~ ~ fiI;if ~ ~ SffifTCf ~ ; am: (d) how many of the mwere five years old or more and the reasons for delay; ('!l") ~~, m ~ i~ and ~ ;:mr

663. SHRI YOGENDRA SHARMA: (Ii) Vacancies in the Hiib Courli SHRI GADILINGANA GOWD: should be filled without any SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD delay. MONDAL: SHRI VISHWANATH (iii) Whenever a serving Judae is PANDEY: diverted to other . duties Bnd he is not likely to come back to tho Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS Hlab Court within six months, an 139 Written Answers FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Wrlttell Answers 140

Additional or Ad hoc Judge should ~ ~ <.'!"'IT anfu: ~l 'f>T be appointed in his place so that the work of the High Court ~ ~ ~ ~~, ~ f.mrr- does not suffer. otlf it ~ ~ ~ (mr) 'Ill" ~ l~ ~ ~lr. During the last two years, several posts

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(a) to (d). On rcceivina report of presence (b) Among other objects, three human of a gang of about 200-300 Naga hostiles burials have been found, one of which in Mildr Hills-North Cachar region contained a complete human skeleton. attempting to go to Pakistan early in The skeleton was found buried in an December, 1968, the Security Forces took extended form. The burial is associated steps to prevent such an attempt to cross with small stone implements, called the Border. There were two encounters microliths, bones of wild animals which on 12th and 14th December, 1968, as a were eaten by the inhabitants of the site, result of which one Naga hostile was and bits of hand-made, brown slipped killed and one was wounded and appre- pottery, some bearing incised designs. hended. The hostiles dispersed and the strate overlying the burial had iron their attempt to cross the borders was implements and wheel-made pottery. On foiled. Some arms and ammunition present estimate the burial is at least two including some ammunition believed to thousand years old. be of Chinese origin was recovered from them. Bulk Carriers

Commission For National Scale of Pay 672. SHRI K. P. SINGH DEO: For Teachers SHRI HARDYAL DEVGUN:

669. SHRI KAMESHWAR SINGH: Will the Minister of TRANSPORT AND SHRI R. K. SINHA: SHIPPING be pleased to state: SHRI YAJNA DATI SHARMA: (a) whether it is a fact that Govern- Will the Minister of EDUCATION be ment propose to purchase some more pleased to state: bulk carriers during the Fourth Five Year Plan; and (a) whether Government propose to appoint a high powered Commission to (b) if so, the details thereof? draw up a national scale of pay for teachers; and THE MINISTER OF PARLIA- MENTARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING (b) if so, the details thereof? AND TRANSPORT (SHRI RAGHU RAMAIAH): (a) and (b). Bulk carriers as THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION well as other types of merchant ships are AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. V.K. R.V. purchased not by the Government of India RAO) (a) No, Sir. but by various shipping companies in the private and the public sectors. It is (b) Docs not arise. proposed to acquire some bulk carriers but details as regards the tonnage, size, Excavation of Material of Historic price etc. will be settled by the individual Importance in Rajastban shipowners when they apply to Govern- ment for permission to acquire the ships. 671. SHRI BISHWA NATH ROY: Will the Minister of EDUCATION be Development of Minor Ports pleased to state: 675. SHRI K. P. SINGH DEO : (a) whether some material of historic SHRI HARDAYAL DEVGUN: importance has been excavated in Bhilwara District of Rajasthan; and Will the Minister of TRANSPORT AND SHIPPING be pleased to state: (b) if so, the details thereof? (a) the State-wise number of minor THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION ports in the country; AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. V. K. R. V. RAO); (a> Yes, Sir. (b> whether Government propose to 145 PHALGUNA 2. 1890 CStlka> WrltlM AJuIWl'I 146 develop any of these ports as Ceatrally SHRI VALMIKI CHOUDHARI: sponsored schemes during the Fourth Five SHRI MANGALATHUMADAM: Year Plan; and Will the Minister of TRANSPORT (e) if so, the details thereof? AND SHIPPING be pleased to state:

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Ca> the progress so far made in the DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY implementation of tbe Cochin Shipyard AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF project; SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT CSHRI IQBAL SINGH>: (b) how far the project has already fallen behind, tbe orilinal schedule; (a> Orissa 2 Andhra Pradesh 7 (c) tbe steps heinl taken to complete Pondicherry 2 tbe project, eliminating further delay; Tamil Nadu 12 and Kerala 13 Mysore 21 (d) by what time the project would be Goa Administration 2 cmpleted ? Maharashtra 49 Gujarat SO THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Andaman and Nicobar Islands IS DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI Total 173 IQBAL SINGH): (a> to (d>. Tbe Govern- ment of India approved in AUlust 1967 the Cochin Shipyard Project comprising (b) and (cl. The executive responsi- a building dock for building bulk carriers bility for the development of minor of 66,000 DWT and a ship repair dock ports vests in the State Governments for repairs to ships up to 85,000 DWT at concerned. Certain well-defined schemes an estimated outlay of Rs. 36 crores with concerning minor port develoments will a foreign exchange component of Rs. 5 be included under Centrally Sponsored crores. In view of the modifications in Schemes and will be eligible for Central the scope and size of the Project, MIs assistance by way of long-term loans. It Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd., were has recently been decided in consultation to prepare a Revised Project Report, for with the State Governments that one port which a contract was concluded with tham in each State may be taken up for develop- in July, 1968. Pending the receipt and ment under Centrally Sponsored Schemes, approval of the Report by the Govern- consistent with its traffic potential. The ment, steps have been initiated to complete ports of Gopalpur or Chandbali in Orissa, action on preparatory works like land and Kakinada in Andhra Pradesh, Guddalore soil surveys, land acquisition, provision of in Madras, Beypore in Kerala, Karwar water and power supply etc. for the pro. in Mysore, Mirya Bay (Ratnapri) in ject. A full time officer has also been Maharashtra and Porbandar in Gujarat appointed at the Project site. It is not have been envisaged for this purpose. possible at this stqe to indicate the schedule of construction for the project. The details of the development schemes at these minor ports will be finalised in consultation with the respective State Governments. 677. SHRI HIMATSINGKA: SHRI S. K. TAPURIAH: CocbIa Shipyard Project SHRI P. C. ADICHAN: SHRI RAGHUVIR SINGH 676. SHRI HIMATSINGKA: SHASTRI: SHRI S. K. TAPURIAH: SHRI RANJIT SINGH: SHRI P. C. ADICHAN: SHRI BRU BHUSHAN LAL: 147 Written Answers FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Written Answers 148

SHRI SURAJ BHAN: Will the Minister of EDUCATION be SHRI JAGANNATH RAO pleased to state: JOSHI: SHRI RAM GOPAL (a) whether Dr. Hare Krishna Mehtab SHALWALE: had resigned from the Committee set up SHRI ATAL BIHARI to inquire into the causes of students VAJPAYEE: unrest; SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: SHRI YASHPAL SINGH: (b) if so, the reasons assigned by Dr. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA: Mehtab for his resignation and how far SHRI PRAKASH VIR the grounds for resignation assigned by SHASTRI: him were correct and maintainable; and DR. SUSHILA NAY AR: SHRI A. SREEDHARAN: (c) the reasons for the delay in sub- SHRI SITARAM KESRI: mission of the report by the Committee ? SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK: SHRI HARDA YAL DEVGUN: THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION SHRI D. C. SHARMA: AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. V. K. R. SHRI BENI SHANKER V. RAO): (a) It is not clear as to which SHARMA: Committee is being referred to in the SHRI VALMIKI CHOUDHARY: question. The Government of India have SHRI SHIV KUMAR SHASTRI: no information about such a Committee SHRI SRADHAKAR of which Dr. Mehtab was a member. SUPAKAR: However the Government of Orissa have SHRI VISHWA NATH been requested to furnish the necessary PANDEY: information. Their reply is awaited.

Will the Miniser of HOME AFFAIRS (b) and (c). Do not arise. be pleased to state: Training in Catering Technology and (a) whether the all-Party Committee on Institutional Management prevention of defections in legislatures has submitted its report, interim or final; 679. SHRI HIMATSINGKA: SHRI S. K. TAPURIAH: (b) if so, the precise suggestions made by the Committee and Government's reac- Will the Minister of TOURISM AND tion to each of them; and CIVIL AVIA TION be pleased to state: (c) whether a copy of the report will be laid on the Table of the House ? (a) whether the Indo-U. N. project is being launched for imparting training in THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE catering technology and institutional MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI management; VlDY A CHAR AN SHUKLA): (a) to (c). A copy of the report of the Committee on (b) if so, the salient features of the Defections has been laid on the Table of training project and the steps taken so far the House on the 18th February. 1969. in that direction; and Government will decide on the further course of action in the light of the dabate (c) the assistance being rendered in that in the House regarding the report. direction by the U. N. O. and Govern- ment's investment therein? Committee on Students' Unrest THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 678. SHRI HIMATSINGKA: CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SHRI S. K. TAPURIAH: SINGH): (a) The Government of India SHRI P. C. ADICHAN: have already launched a Project for impart- SHRI VALMIKI CHOUDHARY: ina trainina in Caterina TccbnololY and 149 Written Answers PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) Written Answers ISO

Institutional Management for which appointed to investigate into the affairs of assistance is being received from the United the Banaras Hindu University has Nations. submitted its report; and

(b) 4 Institutes of Catering Technology (b) if so, whether a copy of the & Applied Nutrition at Bombay, Calcutta, report will be laid on the Table of the Madras and New Delhi and 2 Foodcraft House 1 institutes at Kalamassery (Kerala), and Panjim (Goa) have already been set up. 3 THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION more foodcraft institutes are being set up AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. V. K. at Bangalore, Nagpur and Lucknow. R. V. RAO): (a) No, Sir. The Catering institutes provide Diploma courses in hotel management, Catering (b) Does not arise. Technology, Applied Nutrition and other allied matters and the Foodcraft institutes Salaries of Primary and Higher Secondary provide training at the Craftsman level in Teachers In States the various food-crafts. 681. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Will (c) The United Nations (through the the Minister of EDUCATION be pleased FAO, FFHC and their Development pro- to state: gramme) are providing assistance by way of imported equipments, fellowships for (a) the further steps taken to improve training teachers and experts. The total the salaries oC the Higher Secondary and non-recurring Govt. investment on the Primary Sch 001 teachers in various 4 institutes of Catering Technology is States; Rs. 90 lakhs up-to-date and on the 5 Foodcraft institutes a sum of Rs. 45.30 (b) whether any proposal has been sent lakhs is expected to be incurred. to the State Governments;

Report oC Enquiry Commission on (c) if so, the broad Ceatures thereof; B. H. U. Affairs and

680. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: (d) the reactions oC the State Govern- SHRI HARDAYAL DEVGUN: ments thereto 1 SHRI NARENDRA SINGH MAHIDA: SHRI CHENGALRA YA NAIDU: THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION SHRI BEDABRATA BARUA: AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. V. K. R. V. RAO): (a) This subject is the SHRI PRAKASH VIR SHASTRI: concern oC the State Governments. The SHRI HEM BARUA: recommendations of the Education Commi- ssion, which covered revision of salary SHRI SRADHAKAR SUPAKAR: scales also, were scnt to all the Stata SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: Governments for consideration and implementation. SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL: SHRI SITARAM KESRI: (b) No, Sir. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: SHRI A. SREEDHARAN: (c) and (d). Do not arisc. SHRI BIBHUTI MISHRA: SHRI SHIV KUMAR SHASTRI: SARI RABI RAY: Crimes agaiRlt Harljans SHRI K. P. SINGH DEO: 682. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Will the Minister of EDUCATION be SHRI CHINTAMANI: pleased to state: PANIGRAHI SHRI R. K. AMIH: (a) whether the Enquiry Commission SHRI D. R. PARMAR: lSI Written Answers FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Wrllten Answers IS2

SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI: Nicobar Islands, Dadra & Nagar Havcli, SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: Pondicherry, Nefa, Chandigarh and SHRI SURAl BHAN: Himachal Pradesh. In Delhi there has been SHRI ESWARA REDDY: no case in 1968 other than that indicated SHRI P. C. ADICHAN: in answer to the Lok Sabha Starred DR. RANEN SEN:. Question No. 122. Information in respect SHRI SARJOO PANDEY: of the remaining States/Union Territories SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: is being ascertained. SHRI A. SREEDHARAN: SHRI VISHWANATHA MENON: (c) and (d). A decision in this behalf SHRI A. K. GOPALAN: would be possible only after examining the SHRI C. K. CHAKRAPANI: final report 0 f the Committee on SHRI BHAGABAN DAS: Untouchability and Economic and Educa- SHRI NATHU RAM AHIRWAR: tional Development of Scheduled Castes.

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS Cochin Port Development Schemes be pleased to state: 683. SHRI M.L. SONDHI: Will the (a) the number of cases, State-wise, in Minister of TRANSPORT AND SHIP- which Harijans have been maltreated or PING be pleased to slate: killed during the last one year; (a) whether it is a fact that Government (b) the steps being taken to curb crimes have slashed Cochin Port Development against Harijans; Schemes; and

(c) whether any severe punishment is (b) if so, the reasons therefor? likely to be prescribed for such offences; and THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (d) if so, whether any legislation is DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY proposed to be introduced in this regard? AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI IQBAL SINGH): (a) and (b). The THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Cochin Port Trust had submitted a pro- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS gramme amounting to Rs. 33.S3 crores for (SHRI VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA): the development of Cochin Port during (a) and (b). Information regarding reported the Fourth Five Year Plan. The outlay atrocities on Harijans during some months was reduced by the Working Group preceding July, 1968 was furnished in constituted by the Ministry of Transport answer to the Lok Sabha Starred Question and Shipping to Rs. 15'54 crores I1lving No. 122 on 1Sth November, 1968. In- regard mainly to the following consi- formation regarding the number of derations among others:- incidents of atrocities on Harijans in various parts of the country excluding (i) The proposal to acquire a new hopper Madhya Pradesh and Jammu & Kashmir barge and a new cutter suction during the three months preceding 18th dredger have been omitted as these December, 1968 was collected and is have been considered nol necessary furnished in the statement laid on the by the Development Adviser in Table of the House. [Placed in Library. view of the recent acquisition by See No. LT -78/69]. The information the Port of the dredger 'Ganga' now received from the State Governments/ from the Calcutta Port Commi- Union Territory Administrations indicates ssioners and the programme of the that there have been no cases of attacks Port to acquire. (a) a grab suction on Harijans during 1968 in Assam, Jammu dredger, (b) a new suction dredger & Kashmir, Nagaland, Goa, Daman & in replacement of 'Lord Willinadon' Diu, MlDipur, Tripura, Laccadive, Minicoy and (c) a new bucket dredger in and Amindivi Islands, Andaman & replacement of 'Lady WiUinadoo' ~ rltt~n AlUwers PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka)- Written Answers 1S4

(ii) The main scheme on which a big the Union Territory of Delhi. But police- reduction has been made relates men so travelling cannot occupy seats, to the super tanker berth. However when passengers are standing. the scheme as such has been included in the Plan and a token (b) No, Sir. provision made pending consi- deration of the report of M Is. (c) The arrangement came into existence Engineers (India) Limited, about as a result of the Undertaking having the feasibility of constructing an taken up the matter with the Police olr-shore terminal at Cochin Port authorities and is now under review. As as an alternative to the super- regards non-registration of complaints the tanker berth. question does not arise.

(iii) The provision for a fertiliser berth DetentIon of TIbetans In DeIhl was omitted as no decision has yet been taken by the Ministry of 685. SHRI M.L. SONDHI: Petroleum and Chemicals about SHRI BHARAT SINGH the grant of a licence in this CHAUHAN: regard. SHRI HUKAM CHAND KACHWAI: A list of the schemes proposed by SHRI RABI RAY: the Port Trust and those recommended by the Working Group oC the Ministry Cor Will the Minister oC HOME AFFAIRS inclusion in the Fourth Plan is laid on be pleased to state: the Table of the House [Placed in Library See No. LT.-79/69]. (a) whether it is a Cact that about 50 Tibetans were unlawfully detained in the Free Lift to Policemen and their Families Chanakyapuri Police Station, New Delhi in D.T.U. Buses on the 30th December, 1968 and were not given any food for full one day: and 684. SHRI M.L. SONDHI: Will the Minister of TRANSPORT & SHIPPING (b) if so, the reasons thereCor? be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether it is a fact that the Delhi MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS Police personnel with their families also, (SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA): (a) always get Cree lift on D.T.U. buses; and (b). On 30th December, 1968 about 150 persons demonstrated outside the (IV whether it is also a Cact that Chinese Embassy against the reported ill- comPlaints from public against D.T.U. treatment oC an Indian journalist by some conductors and drivers are not registered Chinese in Nepal. Some of the demons- by the Police; and trators entered the Embassy premises and caused damage to some property. Case (c) if so, under what rules the Cree lift F.I.R. 315 under section 147/148/149/427/ is given and also why the Police do not 451/323/333/353/186 and 188 oC the Indian register com"laints against the conductors Penal Code was registered at Police and drivers? . Station Chanakyapuri regarding the inci- dent. 45 persons were arrested. All of THE MINISTER OF PARLIA- them were served food at 2 p.m. and again MENTARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING at 7.30 p.m. on the 30th December, 1968 AND TRANSPORT (SHRI RAGHU in Police Station Chanakyapuri. On the RAMAIAH): (a) No, Sir. In the interest 31st also they were served food in the of the maintenance of law and order Police Station in the morning before they inside D.T.U. buses, a maximum of two were produced before the Magistrate. policemen, in uniforms, not hiaher in rank Persons remanded to judicial custody than a Head Constable, can travel free of were served food in the Central Jail, New chlflC in a D.T.U. bus, at a time, within Delhi. ISS Writ/en Answers FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Writ/en Answers 156

Sc:heme for Publlc:lty to promote Tourism proposed increase; and

686. SHRIMATI ILA PAL- (c) Government of India's reaction CHOUDHURI: both to the increase and protest as men- SHRI B.K. DASCHOWDHURY: tioned in parts (a) and (b) above?

Will the Minister of TOURISM AND THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- aVIL AVIATION be pleased to state: TAR Y AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI RAGHU (a) whether a scheme for entirely new RAMAIAH): (a) The two Conferences in publicity programme to project India's question have effected a general increase image abroad and to promote tourism is of 10% in freight rates with effect from under the consideration of Government; January, 1969 but, in response to representa- tions from the trade interests concerned, the (b) if so, the details thereof including All India Shippers' Council and the Gove- its financial implications; and rnment of India, they have also granted exemptions and relaxations in respect of (c) when it is likely to be finalised and a number of specific commodities. The brought into force? UNCTAD-II resolution on the establish- ment of consultation machinery recomm- THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND ends that Shipping Conferences should CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN recognise Shippers' Council and make SINGH): (a) to (c). A new arrangement provision in their constitution for con- for promotion of tourist publicity on the sultation with them in matters relating to Continent of Europe involving closer freight rates, Conference practices, ade- cooperation with Air-India has been quacy of shipping service, etc. These worked out. It started operating from July, Conferences have, however, not so far 1968 as an experimental measure for one formally agreed to consult All India year in the first instance. Under the Shippers' Council, although they have scheme all Air-India offices in Europe will taken into consideration the representa- be available for tourist promotion work tions made by the Council and other trade on that Continent. interests concerned. The quality of tourist literature has (b) Yes, Sir. also been improved by employing the best professional talent and technique available. (c) As stated in the answer to part (a), Increase in Freight Rates the Government of India had themselves protested against the increase as a result of which certain exemptions and relaxations 687. SHRIMATI ILA PALCHOUDH- have been given. As regards the formal URI: Will the Minister of TRANSPORT acceptance of the consultation procedure AND SHIPPING be pleased to state: by the two Conferences in terms of the UNCTAD-II resolution, the Government (a) whether it is a fact that the East of India are considering the question of Coast of India and East Pakistan /USA taking up the matter at the Governmental Conference and the West Coast of India level. and Pakistan/USA Conference, New York, have decided to increase freight rates by 10 per cent with effect from January, 1969 Improving of Hockey Game in India contrary to the resolution adopted at the Second U. N. Conference on Trade and 688. SHRIMATI ILA Development; PALCHOUDHURI : SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : (b) whether it is also a fact that the _ DR. SUSHILA NAYAR : Governin& Council of the All India Shipp- SHRI HUKAM CHAND ers Council which recently met in calcutta KACHWAI: decided to lodge a protest against the SHRI RAM GOPAL SHALWALE: lS7 Written Answers PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) Written Answers IS8

SHRI RANJIT SINGH: Harbours which conducted a study of SHRI SURAl BHAN : Indian Port facilities and capabilities has SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE: submitted its report; and SHRI JAGANNATH RAO JOSHI: SHRI BRU BHUSHAN LAL (b) if so, the important recommenda· tions made by the team? Will the Minister of EDUCATION be pleased to state: THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY (a) whether it is a fact that a proposal AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF to improve the Hockey game in India SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI with India's defeat in the last Mexico IQBAL SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. Olympics being its background, is under the consideration of Government ; (b) Copies of the report have already been placed in the Parliament Library. (b) if so, the details thereof; and The general recommendations made in the report were listed in reply to Unstarred (c) when it is likely to be finalised Question No. 2608 answered in the Lok and made effective? Sabha on the 29th November, 1968.

~ ~ flileilfllltll""q t ~ THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION ~ ~ AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. V.K.R.V. 1fiT fiInn \WAI' RAO): (a) to (c). The All India Council of Sports in its meeting held on Sth 690. ..n '~ ~ : December, 1968 set up a Committee to ..n~~ look into the causes of Indian Hockey team's defeat in Mexico Olympics and to lilT ~o liD ~ ; suggest measures for improvements in the ..n~~ game. The report of the Committee is ..nlio~ awaited. This Committee includes among others four captains of Indian Hockey ~'~ teams which participated in Olympics. ..nl'o~

The Committee has already held seven ~n meetings and interviewed a number of persons. It would need some more time om m," ~ ~ ...miT ~ '!i'fr to complete the work assigned to it. ~it~ :

~ ~~ o~ Harbour Committee om

Minister of TOURISM AND OVIL SHRI R. K. SINHA: AVIATION be pleased to state: SHRI BEDABRATA BARUA:

(a) whether it is a fact that the Delhi Will the Minister of TOURISM AND Jaipur-Bombay flight of the Indian CIVIL AVIA nON be pleased to state : Airlines left on the 6th January, 1969 an hour before its scheduled time; (a) whether it is a fact that according to a survey conducted by a well-known (b) if so, the reasons therefor; American magazine in December, 1968 many foreign tourists are not eager to (c) whether it is also a fact that all the visit India; passengers who had booked for the flight were not informed of the change; (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and

Cd) if so, the reasons therefor; and (c) the steps that have been taken or are proposed to he taken to attrac t more (e) whether this change was not against tourists? the established practices and rules of the l.A.C. ? THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH): (a) Presuming that the Hon 'ble THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND Member has in mind the report of the CIVIL AVIATION: (DR. KARAN Pacific Visitors Survey published at the SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. end of 1967, the reply is in the affirma- tive. (b) Indian Airlines had agreed to operate a charter flight for the Shahinshah (b) The main unfavourable factors of Iran from Udaipur to Jamshedpur on listed in the Report for many foreign the 6th January, 1969. Originally, an tourists not wanting to visit India are F-27-100 aircraft was detailed for this dirt, and poverty; insanitary conditions; flight and it was flown to Udaipur on 51h poor food and non-sufficient warmth and January. But for operational reasons, friendliness towards tourists amongst the F-27-200 aircraft was required for operation people of India. to Jamshedpur. An aircraft of this type was, therefore, detailed to operate the (c) Efforts are being made to combat service from Delhi on 6th January with these negative factors, and details of earlier departure for changing over of the schemes to be launched for this purpose aircraft at Udaipur for operation of the during the Fourth Five Year Plan period charter flight on schedule. are being worked out.

(c) to (e). Changes in timings are not usually resorted to but when, due to Science Teachers in Schools operational reasons, changes are made, sufficient advance notice is given to all 693. SHRI NARENDRA SINGH concerned. All passengers, except one were MAHIDA: informed of the change in timings of the SHRI OM PRAKASH TY AGI: flight on 6th January. The omission to SHRI A. SREEDHARAN: intimate to this passenger was a lapse on SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: the part of the Indian Airlines staff against DR. SUSHILA NAY AR: whom suitable action has been taken. DR. KARNI SINGH:

Will the Minister of EDUCATION be Foreign Tourists pleased to state:

692. SHRI NARENDRA SINGH (a) wbcther it is a fact that a recent MAHIDA: all-India survey conducted by the Govern- 161 Writ/en Answers PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) rill~n Answers 162

ment of India has revealed that many of of India proposes to exhibit their Lothal t~ teachers teaching science subjects in antiquities temporarily in the Guest House schools in the country had not studied at Lothal, which is unused at prcaent; science at all; and

(b) if so, the reasons therefor and (e) if not, the reasons therefor? what remedial steps Government propose to take in this direction; and THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION (e) the other important findings of this AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. V.K.R.V. survey? RAO): (a) and (b). It has not been possi- ble to start the construction of the Lothal Museum as the response to the tenders THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION called for by the c.P.W.O. for this work, AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. V.K.R.V. has been poor so far. Fresh tenders RAO): (a) According to the Second AII- have been invited by them. India Educational Survey conducted by the National Council of Educational Research (c) The antiquities have been kept and Training in 1965-66, 10,048 teachers, carefully packed and labelled in the office out of 64,981 teachers, teaching secondary building at Baroda. school classes ha j not olTered science in their last academic course. (d) No, Sir.

(b) The main reason is big expansion (e) The antiquities need a suitably-pla- of school education and inadequate supply nned and safe museum-buildinl, with of trained teachers. proper watch-and-ward arrangement. The Guest House is not considered suitable To meet t he shortage of science for the purpose. leachers, a special programme of condensed courses and short-term refresher courses has been implemented since 1964-65. Monuments of Kolla Ferozeshab, DeIhl Specific provision is also being made in the Fourth Plan for the improvement of 695. SHRI NARENDRA SINGH science teaching in schools including MAHIDA : Will the Minister of training of teachers. EDUCATION be pleased to state: (c) A statement is laid on the Table of (a) whether it is a fact that while the House [Placed in Library. See No. lawns around Kotla Ferozeshah fort of LT-80/69] the Tughlak Kings, near Delhi Gate arc beinl maintained, the monument proper is not being looked after and is thu. Lotbal Museum In Gujarat decaying; 694. SHRI NARENDRA SINGH MAHIDA : Will the Minister of (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and EDUCATION be pleased to state : (c) the steps being taken for the proper (a) whether the construction of Lothal up-keep of the monument? Museum in G ujarat has not been undertaken; THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION (b) if so, the reasons for the delay; AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. V.K.R.V. RAO): (a) No, Sir. (c) whether Lothal antiquities arc lying idle at the Baroda Museum godown; (b) Does not arise.

(d) whether the Archaeological Survey (c) Essential structural repairs arc 163 Writ/en Answers FEBRUARY 21. 1969 Written Answers 164 executed as and when necessary. In fact. f'li : such structural repairs are in propca8 at present. li~ili~~ iii ~ f;;riir 'T 'l"t t f"l'flfiT '~ ~ Ii<: ~~ qtIl • ~ ~ ~ ,,~ 698 . .n ~' mT:;m Wir a{ilf ~ iii mm 'liT m '3"m: mlRT ~ ~ ~ 'liT FIT 'i~i't f'li : milimm lI>'T ~

't~~ mil' ~ (1511 ('If) ;m ~ ~ ~ ~ f'li '3"'t\f ~ p") : ('Ii) ~ ('I!f). ~ f;;riirili!<'f ~~i ~ ~~~~~~~ 'liT 3ffi'\flf ~ ~ ron- 'TllT t ; am: t. ~ ~ ~ ~ iI; ~'ic.r Ii<: ('1") ~, ciT ~ IN[ ~ ~it~ ~ ?

mlRT "'" ~. ~ .m 697. -ft ';'... ,(""", "'": ;m (WIO ~o itio amo .10 ~ : ftoo If':ft ~ ~ lI>'T FfT rn (lfi) ~ ('1"). ~ m'If ~ 16S Wrlttnr Answl!l's PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) rltt~ AlfSWtrs 166

areas of Manipur.

(b) Security Forces are maintaining constant vigilance and take suitable stepa Enquiry into Tellieberry-Pulpally Incidents to curb the ilIesal activities of the hostiles. 699. SHRI HEM BARUA : SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU : Payment of Hotel Bills by Forelllllers In Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS Forelllll Exebange be pleased to state : 702. SHRI YAJNA DATI SHARMA: (a) whether it is a fact that the Chief Will the Minister of TOURISM AND Minister of Kerala has asked the Union CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : Government to conduct a thorouSh enquiry into the allesations beginning (a) whether Government have taken the from 1962-63 upto the date of Tellicherry- decision that in future all hotel bills will Pulpally incidents, made by the Union be paid in foreisn exchanp by foreisners; Government asainst the State Government; and (b) if so, the details thereof; and

(b) if so, the nature of these allegations (c) if not, the reasons therefor? as also the reaction of Government to the request made by the Kerala Chief THE MINISTER OF TOURISM Minister? AND aVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH): (a) to (c). An Inter-Ministries THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Committee, under the Chairmanship of MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS Secretary, Tourism eft Civil Aviation, has (SHRI VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA): suqested in an interim report that the (a) and (b). The Central Government foreign guests in the more expensive hotels, have not received any communication from with certain exceptions, should be required the State Government in this behalf. to make payments for their board and lodging in foreign currency. This rec0- Nap Activities in Manlpur mmendation is at present under the consideration of Government. 701. SHRI HEM BARUA : Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased Levy on International P-sen to state : 703. SHRI YAJNA DATI SHARMA; (a) whether it is a fact that the Nasa Will the Minister of TOURISM AND hostiles have extended their activities to CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : certain areas in Manipur; and (a) whether the proposal to levy a (b) if so, the steps taken to counteract special charp on international pa&1CIIICfI these hostile activities ? embarkins at ports of Delhi, Calcutta, Bombay and Madras has been considered THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE by Government ; and MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA): (a) (b) if 50, with what result and the The three sub-divisions of Manipur, viz. details thereof? Ukhrul, Mao Maram and Tamenslons covered by Suspension of Operations THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND Agreement and some areas of Tengnoupal CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN and Churachandpur and part of Jirlbam SINGH):

embarking at any of the Indian airports when the examination will be completed. for a destination abroad. However, Heads of States, Heads of Governments and Progressive Muslim League Ministers aloDg with their entourage visi- ting India as State Guests, transit passen- 705. SHRI BABURAO PATEL: gers and children under two years of age SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: will be exempt from payment of this SHRI SHARDA NAND: fee. SHRI SHRI GOPAL SABOO: SHRI ONKAR SINGH: Probe Into Allegations against SHRI N. R. LASKAR: Sardar Lacbman Singh Gill SHRI R. BARUA: SHRI SAMAR GUHA: 704. SHRI Y AJNA DAIT SHRI YASHWANT SINGH SHARMA: KUSHWAH: SHRI RANJIT SINGH: SHRI BRJJ BHUSHAN LAL: Will the Minister of HOME AFF- SHRI SURAJ BHAN: AIRS be pleased to state: SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPA- YEE: (a) whether it is a fact that a new SHRI JAGANNATH RAO communal party called the Progressive JOSHI: Muslim League has emerged in West SHRI RAM GOPAL Bengal a nd fought the mid-term elections SHALWALE: with avowed communalism; SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: SHRI SHRI GOPAL SABOO: (b) if so, the names of its top ten SHRI SHARDA NAND: Leaders and whether any of them were SHRI ONKAR SINGH: members of the Congress party in early SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL: years; SHRI HUKAM CHAND KACH- WAI: (c) whether it is also a fact that this new communal party has adopted a flag Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS which is almost like Pakistan's Islamic be pleased to state: flag to really the Muslims under it, and if so, Government's reaction to the flag (a) whether the probe being conducted and the party; into the allegations made against the former Chief Minister of Punjab, Sardar (d) whether it is a fact that speakers Lachman Singh Gill. by the Opposition of this party publicly demanded separate parties has been completed; Muslim districts in West Bengal as has been done in Kerala and the mid-term (b) if so, the details thereof; and elections were fought on this communal plank; and (c) if not the reasons for the delay and the time by which the same is likely to be (e) if so, Government's reaction to completed? it ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI (SHRI VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA): VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA): (a) Acco- (a) No, Sir. rding to information received from the State Government the newly formed Pro- (b) Does not arise. gressive Muslim League contested the mid-term elections with communal ideology (c) It has been considered advisable to as the main basis of its election campaign. verify certain facts for the examination of the matter. This naturally takes time (b) I. Shri Sckandar Ali Molla-Presi- and it i~ not possible to say at present dent. 169 Writ/en Answers pHALGUNA ~. 1890 (Soko) Writ/en Answers 170

2. Shri A. K. M. Hasanuzzaman- (a) whether it is a fact that the Nati- General Secreta ry. onal Integration Council had recommen- 3. Dr. Md. Jahurul Islam-Secre- ded setting up of a machinery to resolve tary. the linguistic border disputes among the 4. Hazi Md. Yunus-Treasurer. States; and 5. Shri Sayeb Ali. 6. Shri Islamuddin Laskar (b) if so, the reaction of Government 7. Shri Izzat Ali G azi Saheb. in the matter ? 8. Shri Khabir Ahmed. 9. Shri Harun Ar Rashid. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 10. Shri Md. Sham sui Haq. MINISTR Y OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI VIDYA CHAR AN SHUKLA): (a) None of them was a member of the Yes, Sir. Congress Party. According to the infor- mation received from the State Govern- (b) The matter is under consideration. ment none of them was a member of the Congress Party. Levy of Education Cess

(c) The fiag of the party has a red 707. SHRI R. R. SINGH DEO: portion instead of white of the Pakistan SHRI N. K. SANGHI: national fiag and an identical green portion SHRI CHENGALRA YA NAIDU: with a white crescent and star at the SHRI QNKAR LAL BERWA: Centre. SHRIMATI ILA PALCHOU- DHURI: (d) The State Government have no such information. Will the Minister of EDUCATION be pleased to state: (e) Does not arise. (a) whether it is a fact that the levy Machinery to Resolve Linguistic Border of an education cess by the States for the Disputes development of Parimary education in the country has been sugcsted by the 706. SHRI R. R. SINGH DEO: Central Advisory Board of Education; SHRI N. K. SANGHI: and SHRI SITARAM KESRI: SHRI C. MUTHUSAMI: (b) if so, the reaction of Government SHRI R. V. NAIK: thereon? SHRI HIMATSINGKA: SHRIA.SREEDHARAN: THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION SHRICHENGALRAYA AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. V. K. NAlDU: R. V. RAO): (a) Yes, Sir. SHRI MOHMED IMAM: SHRI S. K. TAPURIAH: (b) Government supports this recomm- SHRI N. K. SOMANI: endation, SHRI HARDAYAL DEVGUN: SHRI K. P. SINGH DEO: SHRI YAJNA DATI SHARMA: Intel'lm Report of Hotel Revlewloll SHRI RAGHUVIR SINGH Committee SHASTRI: SHRI NARENDRA SINGH 708. SHRI R. R. SINGH DEO: MAHIDA: SHRI N. K. SANGHI: SHRI RAMACHANDRA SHRI R. K. AMIN; VEERAPPA: SHRI K. M. KAUSHIK: SHRI Y. A. PRASAD: SHRI S. K. TAPURIAH: SHRI J. MOHAMED IMAM: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS SHRIMANGLATHUMADAM: be pleased to state: SHRI HARDAYAL DEVGUN: 171 Written ns~r.. FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Wrillen Answers 172

SHRI RAMACHANDRA SHRI OM PRAKASH TY AGI: VEERAPPA: SHRI RAM GOPAL SHALWALE: SHRI Y. A. PRASAD: SHRI SHIV KUMAR SHASTRI: SHRI BHARAT SINGH CHAU- Will the Minister of TOURISM AND HAN: CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state: SHRI HUKAM CHAND KACHWAI: (a) whether Government have received the interim report of the Hotel Reviewing Will the Minister of EDUCATION be Committee appointed by Government last pleased to refer to the reply given to year to examine the various aspects of Unstarred ·Question No. 5276 on the 20th functlonlnll of the Hotels for their December, 1968 and state: reclassification;

Boarding Cards for Concessional Fare THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION Tickets for Travel by Air AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. V. K. R. V. RAO): (a) It is difficult to work out ~. SHRI S. K. TAPURIAH : Will figures of expenditure incurred on the the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL education of students in one particular A VIA TION be pleased to state: field in a university which covers a number

(b) the reaction of Government thereto ? (b) No, Sir.

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND (c) It is not possible to impose a rest- CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH): riction of this type on the students of (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. But even before the ODe University alone, and it would be receipt of the suuestion, the Indian difficult to apply it to all Universities. Airlines had issued instructions to all the stations to adopt the simple procedure of Provldeut Fund of a Professor of Aligarh punching the concessional tickets and the Muslim University boarding cards. 711. SHRI RAM SWARUP Graduates of Englaeerlnll CoHege Affili- VIDYARTHI: ated with AllgarIJ Muslim University SHRI OM PRAKASH TYAGI: leaving for Pakistan SHRI RAM GOPAL SHALWALE: SHRI SHIV KUMAR SHASTRI: 710. SHRI RAM SWARUP SHRI BHARAT SINGH CHA- VlDYARTHI: UHAN: 173 PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) Wri/len Answers 174

SHRI HUKAM CHAND KACH- ~ m rn If>T m1!iR If>T f1f'im:: t WAI: f.omt 8f11m: IR ~ it ~ Wft· ~, ~ flf;it ijjT Will the Minister of EDUCATION be Wft • pleased to refer to reply given to Unstarrcd ~ ffiflfi ~ ~ Jl"fmrur 'fiT <=mr Question No 5276 on the 20th December, ~~ 1968 and state the amount of the Provident Fund, the payment of which has been stopped and which is lying deposited with (ff) l~~, cr~ ~ ~ the Aligarh University in respect of a ~ 'fiT SI"lft"fif T ~ ~ !fiT f;rn lI"lfiT': <=mr ~ !fiT ~ t ? THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. V.K.R.V. RAO): The amount of Provident Fund 'l~~ ~ it ~ '"" (-n money lying deposited with the Aligarh rl~ p") : (lfi) ai'R (Iir). Muslim University in respect of the Profes- ~ ~~ ijjT ~ ~ I ~ ~~ sor of the Electrical Engineering Depart- lift ment is Rs. 15,468.57. A sum of Rs. 4,688 it; ~ IR ~ 'lfTifm I representing the outstanding balance of the loan that the Professor took from his Provident Fund Account and a sum (IT) ~ ~. ~ ~ ~ equivalent to three months salary in lieu sr~ li~~ 'Ill" ~~ ~ of notice for resignation is due from him. ;;iT ~~ am§<'If'l" ~ ~ mf'l"1T it sr~ ~it, '~ ~ lfi1 ~ it ~ an~ it ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 1968 it lil~ .m lIIi fiI1f"" li~~~itili ~ 712. ''IT Uq ~ fQ,vif: ~ ~, ~~ ~~ ''IT ",",'4S1"'''1 ~ : lf1 ~~ ilfi1t; iii ~~ 'l"if If>T t~~~ ~~~~ai'~ilili lift ~ ~~ am§<'If'l" ~~ ro l~~ lift ~

( lfi) !"f flfiT sr~ f!{llT ~ t ~ ~'i ~ ~ 'f!rr t; 714. 11ft ~~ ~ ~ : 'f!rr ~ mruvr !J:U rn a"1PfT m ''~ ~ ~ T srfu- lift ~ it ~ rn If>T ~ f1filf1 ~tarn mr ro ~ lift t; 175 Written Answers FEBRUARY 21. 1969 Wrillen Answers 176

(!if) om ~ 1f\" ~ ~ f1I; w "","0 ~o~ ~ 'liT ~ ~ 'Ii molT '1'I(Qlf.,ifil n~~ irm 130 <'m!I' m !liT iI"Ii1m' '~ 'liT om 'l~ ~ ~ ... ~ !liT ~r "§lfflT'1" ;r f'fi'lfT ;;rAT ~ 'i~i f'li :

(;r) l~, cit ~ om ~ ('Ii) o~~~ flI; ~ tam: ~ amft;r if fuo:nrfur !liT ~ fif; ~ '1'1': f.flJlf 'fiT 'Ill)' 'fi<:ij; W'IiT ·lfoTlt ( t{) ;rf fw;ft ''~ irT

715 . ..t'~,~~ ..t'~~ fem it; f<'tit an~ 'l~ ..t\' ~~itt 716. "" ~~ ~ 'lrrn: 'IT lo~i fif; : 'l' (\q.nql<=l ~~ : ..t'~'~' (lfo) ~r ~ ~ ~ f.!; 6 fft ; ..t'~~ (!if) l.l~~.il~r~~ ..., .0 ,"0 41"iil .. o : m!ffi1it 'liT ~ W ~ ; am: ..t'~~ '~~ (;r) ~i~'lt~ ...r~..r r~ ? 177 Written Answers PHALGUNA 2. 1890 (SQkQ) Written An.wer. 178

'l~~ 'I'1m'Iq if mq '!nI' be pleased to statc: (,,' fW1'R'I' p;r) : ~ ~ (tr). (a) whether it is a fact that 42 Members t~ it h ~ if Wlf or Parliament have in a joint communica- ~i~~~~ tion, urged him to reduce the retirement age of Central Government employees from ;fi- mq- ~ ;fI ~ if ~ ~lr omr 58 to 55 years; and ~ ~ I ~ m'IiR ~ 5ffimr (b) if so, his reaction to their suaes- qm ~ ql; ~ ~ If1: fil'm" tion? ~ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA): (a) Yes, Sir. ~~ ~ ~n 717 . .n 'flIT (b) The age of superannuation of ~ ft1n ~ ~ If?JiT ~ Central Government employees was raised arer.r IIIT y;qT m f.I; : from 55 to 58 only a few years qo after a thorough examination of all relevant factors. The circumstances have not ~ ~ ~, 1968 ~ if changed to warrant reconsideration of this if ~it ~~ tisifliffC011 ~~ decision. It>'t ~rlll Mol < ifOT a[qIf( ~ 'IT j New Muslim Majority DIstricts In Kenla

(\!r) W ~ " ~ f'" o.frm 719. SHRI CHENGALRA YA NAIDU: ~it~i~i~ SHRI SHRICHAND GOYAL: SHRI P. C. ADICHAN: ~ ~ ~ 'IT j am SHRI HIMATSINGKA: SHRI S. K. TAPURIAH: (If) l~~, ffi ~ it ~ iIit SHRI RAGHUVIR SINGH: it 'flIT ~

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS RetIrement AlP! of Go,ernmeat Employees be pleased to state:

718. SHRI CHENGALRAYA (a) whether it is a fact that the Kerala NAlDU: Government have decided to form two SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: Muslim majority Districts in Kerala; SHRI S. D. SOMASUNDARAM: SHRI RAGHUVIR SINGH (b) whether the Cen&ral Government SHASTRI: have objected to their formation;

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS (c) if so, the reaction of the State 179 Written Answers FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Writtell Answers 180

Government; and Tourist Centre at JhanJharpur

(d) whether the decision of the State 725. SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD Government will have a serious repercus- MANDAL: Will the Minister of TOURISM sion in other parts of the country? AND CIVIL A VIA TlON be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (a) whether there is any proposal to (SHRI VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA): (a) open a tourist centre at Jhanjharpur, According to information received from District Darbhanga (Bihar) in the near the State Government it has accepted in future; principle the formation of two district comprising portions of the present Kozhi- (b) if so, when; and kode and Pal ghat districts and of Emakulam and Kotayam districts. The (c) the number of historical and other State Government have said that they have places to be affiliated to this tourist not taken into consideration whether any centre? particular religious community will have majority in any of the two districts THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND proposed to be formed. CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH): (a) No, Sir. (b) and (c). The formation of districts is within the competence of the State (b) and (c). Do not arise. Governments.

(d) Government have no information. Naxalite Activities in Bihar.

Eligibility for 8.s.L.C. Holders for Public 726. SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD Service Commission Examinations. MANDAL: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: 724. SHRI MANGALATHUMADAM: (a) whether it is a fact that the Naxalite Will the Minister of EDUCATION be elements are active in some districts of pleased to slate: Bihar; (a) whether it is a fact that the (b) whether it is also a fact that the Secondary School Leaving Certificate tribal-like people (originally inhabitants of holder of Kerala are not eligible for the Maldah District of Bengal) are trained Public Service Commission Examinations on the same pattern as they know arrow- in other States; shooting and are land· less but good Kisans in Purnea; and (b) if so, whether it is not necessary to have a uniform S.S.L.C. course and (c) if so, the reaction of Government curriculum with four Southern States; and thereto ?

(c) whether the Board of Secondary THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Education has thought of any improvements MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS in the present system ? (SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA): (a) Accordinll to information furnished by THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION State Government, activities of extremist AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. V. K. groups have been reported from districts R. V. RAO): (a) to (c). The information of Champaran, Muzafl'arpur, North for parts (a) and (cl of the question is Monghyr, North Bbaplpur, Purnea and being collected from the Government of parts of Dhanbad and Ranchi. Kerala. Reply to part (b) will depend upon the information received. (b) and (c). State Government have no 181 PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) Written Answe,'" 182 information that any training is being administration for the Scheduled Tribes; imparted by the extremists to tribal people and in Purnea district. The Government arc keeping a close watch on the activities of (b) if no quota has been fixed, the the extremists. reasons therefor?

Working Group of Administrative Reforms THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE COJDDt1ssioo on P " T. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA): (a) and (b). 727. SHRI SURAJ BHAN: Wiu the There is reservation to the extent of 471 % Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased for Scheduled Tribes for direct recruitment to state: to Class III and IV posts under the Laccadives Administration. For promo-

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND (b> if so, the steps Government propose CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN to take to allay the fears in the minds of SINGH) : the people?

(a) - . Authoris«i--- Paid up THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE capital capital MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI As on VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA>: (a> The 30. 9. 56 1,00,00,000 91,85,100 Government are aware that Shri C. As on Rajagopalachari's plan, referred to, has 31. 3. 68 2,50,00,000 2,50,00,000 evoked criticism.

(b) The amount of loan outstanding as (b) The Government's stand on Kash· on 31. 3. 1968 is Rs. 1,25,00,000. The mir has been made known both in Parlia· entire amount is due to the Central ment and outside in the past and there is no change in that stand. Government.

(c) The amount of interest paid during Ashoka Hotels. Ltd., New Delhi the last 3 years are shown below: 731. SHRI B. K. DASCHOUDHURY: 1965·66 1966·67 1967·68 SHRI D. N. PATODIA: Rs. Rs. Rs. SHRI RAM AVTAR SHARMA: 1,35,000 1,35,000 1,35,000 SHRI BHOLA NATH MASTER: SHRI K. P. SINGH DEO: (d) Profit before taxation for the last three years were as under: Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state: 1965·66 1966-67 1967·68 (Rupees in lakhs) (a) whether the State-owned Ashoka Hotels Ltd., in New Delhi does not occupy 25.05 27.49 35.57 place in the top three hotels of the coun· try according to the reclassification pro- The estimated surplus for the year 1968· posed by the Hotel Review Committee; 69 is Rs. 10 lakhs. and

(b) the steps Government propose to Three·Nation Control on Kashmir take to check deterioration in the running of the Ashoka hotels and make improve· 730. SHRI B. K. DASCHOUDHURY: ments in the standards of the kitchens and SHRI HUKAM CHAND services in general in the Hotel? KACHWAI SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK : SHRI RANJIT SINGH: THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND SHRI D. C. SHARMA: CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SHRI BEN I SHANKER SINGH): The report of the Hotel SHARMA: Review Committee has not yet been recei· SHRI HARDAYAL DEVGUN: ved. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: (b) There is no deterioration in the Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS performance of the hotel. However, be pleased to state: continuous efforts are being made to im· prove further the standards of service and (a> whether it is a fact that Shri C. food. Rajagopalachari's plan to place Kashmir for ten years under three·nation control Purchase of AIrcraft for I. A. C. has caused a fcelina of unrest and anger in the country and particularly in the 732. SHRI B. K. DAS· Jammu and Kashmir State; and CHOWDHURY: 18S Wrillen A,/Swers PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) W,.illen Ansll'ers 186

SHRI D. N. PATODlA: (l1f) l~ ~, 1ft ':3'it' ~ SHRI NARBNDRA SINGH MAHIDA: crqr '~ ;i; ;rnr w ~ ; SHRI P. M. SA YEED: SHRI MANIBHAI J. PATEL: (IT) ~ ~ mm it ll>if ~ 'fi'T1f ~ SHRI FfUKAM CHAND KACHWAI: ~ SHRI RAGHUVIR SINGH SHASTRI: ~ w ~ ~ ~rl''~ SHRI R. K. SINHA: ~'i'~ 'rl~ it~ SHRIBHOGENDRAJHA: SHRI VALMIKI ~ ~ 'fi'T fi!Rl1: ~ ; am: CHAUDHARY: SHRI S. S. KOTHARI: (g:) l~ ~, 1ft m w Will the Minister of TOURISM AND

(b) whether any assessment has been ( l1f) am: (IT). ~ ~ ;f f;;rnit made of the comparative worth of the ~ ~ i~, ~.r Russian jets and DC-9 or other types of aMfwr on: aircrart; and <:11fT t I [ ~ if '"' ft1fT 'NT ~ ~ LT-82/69] (el if so, the decision taken thereon?

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND ~ am ($0). ~ ;i;mlf; CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN ~ it ~ on: ~ fif;it SINGH): (a) to (c). The Indian Airlines, v.r after a comparative assessment of several ~il types of aircraft of the passenger capacity considered most suitable for Indian traffic, recommended that five DC-9-40 should be Hindi Teaching Scheme purchased. This recommendation is still under the consideration of Government. 734. SHRI NARAIN SWARUP SHARMA: fum ,,~ ~ SfImf;f ~l if ~ SHRI OM PRAKASH TY AGI : SHRI RAM SWARUP .~~ VIDYARTHI

733. ~ ~ "'" ~ Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS ~~~~ be pleased to refer to the reply given to Unstarred Question No. S388 on the 20th December, 1968, and state : w ~ ~ ~ ~ II>'T FlT rnf'if; : (a) the number of Stenographers and Typists who have been imparted training so far and also of those who are at ('fi') 'flIT ~ ~ fif; ~ t present receiving training under the Hindi ~~ ;i; srnrnf.r'fi' mm If; ~ Teachina Scheme; ~ (NT ~ ffi;r ~ ~ 'liT (b) the names of the Departments ~ ~ ~ it'i'~ i:t where the strength of the staff enpied on ~ translation work has been auamented and 187 Writ/en An.wers FEBRUARY 21.1969 Written Answers 188 the extent to which augmented in each January, 1969 in Trivandrum by Shri department ; and Namboodripad, Kerala Chief Minister in which he said that he considers the (c) the present number of Hindi State Government of Kerala as the instru- Typewriters in various Ministries as also ment of mass struggle against the Centre the number of new Hindi typewriters and that his party does not believe in procured this year ? Parliamentary democracy but will use it for the purpose of furthering the cause of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN revolution of his CPI (M) concept; THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA): (b) whether such a statement consti- (a) 1,394 StenOgraphers/Stena-typists tutes violation of the tnt~ of the Indian and 8,S80 Typists have been trained so Constitution; and far in Hindi Stenography and Hindi Typewriting respectively under the Hindi (c) if so, whether Government propose Teaching Scheme. Classes for the new to convene a meeting of Chief Ministers Session commencing from February, 1969 of all the States and Union Territories to are still under formation. S03 Stenogra- devise a convention against such Consti- phers/Stena-typists and SSI Typists have tutional statement by the Chief Minister been enrolled so far. of any State and ask the Chief Minister of Kerala to withdraw his statement? (b) Wherever the eXlstmg translation staff was not found adequate, action has THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE been initiated by the Ministries/Depart- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS ments to be suitably augment the same (SHRI VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA): so as to comply with the proviSions of (a) to (c). Facts arc being ascertained the official Lanlluages (Amendment) Act. from the State Government. 1967. The collection of the data in this regard will involve time and labour which will not be commensurate with the results Science Talent Search Examination to be achieved. 736. SHRI BISWANARAYAN (c) According to information available SHASTRI: there are 474 existing Hindi Typewriters SHRICHENGALRAYA in the Ministries/Departments and 637 NAIDU: additional Hindi Typewriters are required SHRI ONKAR LAL BERWA : by them. Action is being taken to purchase not less than SO% of this number Will the Minister of EDUCATION be by the end of the current financial pleased to state : year. (a) whether it is a fact that Government Shri Namboodrlpad's Statement have decided to hold a Science Talent Search Examination; 735. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY: SHRI M. L. SONDHI : (b) if so, whether the examination will SHRI Y AJNA DATI SHARMA: be held in all the regional languages ; and SHRI ONKAR SINGH: SHRI HUKAM CHAND (e) the time when the scheme is likely KACHWAI: to start?

Win the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION be pleased to state : AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. V.K.R.V. RAO) : (al to (cl. The National Council (a) whether the attention of Govern- of Educational Research and Training has ment has been drawn to a statement implemented a Science Talent Search reported to have been made on the 8th scheme since 1963. The examination for 189 rlll~n An.w"rs PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) Wrill"" Answers 190 scholanhips awards under the scheme has decision to introduce the languages men- been held in English so far, but from tile tioned in the Eighth Schedule to the current year, it is being held also in all Constitution, besides English, as optional regional languages. media for the All India and higher Central Services Examinations after ascertaining u. P. S. C. Examinations In Regional the advice of the Commission regarding Languages the procedural aspects, the timing and if necessary, the phasing for the implementa- 737. SHRI BISWANARAYAN tion of this decision. SHASTRI: SHRI CHENGALRA YA NAIDU : (b) and (c). Government expect that SHRI HARDAYAL DEVGUN : a beginning will be made with effect from SHRIMATI SAVlTRI SHYAM : the Combined Competitive Examinations SHRI PRAKASH VIR SHASTRI: for recruitment to the lAS etc. to be held SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK : this year. SHRI RANJIT SINGH: SHRI D. C. SHARMA: (d) to (f). The Commission is already SHRI BEN I SHANKER seized of the problems arising out of the SHARMA: introduction of the various languages as SHRI YASHWANT SINGH alternative media and have taken necessary KUSHWAH: steps to ensure that the existing standards SHRI RABI RAY: of the examination are maintained. SHRIVALMIKICHOUDHARY: SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : Conversion of HariJans to Christianity

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS 741. SHRI CHINTAMANI be pleased to state : PANIGRAHI: SHRI BABURAO PATEL: SHRI OM PRAKASH TYAGI : (a) whether Government have asked SHRI BHOLA NATHMASTER : the Union Public Service Commission to DR. KARNI SINGH: hold examinations in all the languages men- tioned in the Eighth Schedule of the Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS Constitution ; be pleased to State :

(b) if so, when this procedure will (a) whether the attention of Govern- come into operation; ment has been drawn to the statement made by Shri Jagjivan Ram, the Union (c) wha t is the progress made 80 far Food Minister, in which he has said that in this regard ; India might face the demand for the creation of a 'Christianistan' in 10 or IS (d) whether a machinery has been set years if conversion of Harijans to Christia- up for the evaluation of BDlwcr papers in nity continued ; different languages ; (b) whether Government have taken (e) whether the introduction of all serious note of such conversions ; and languages will create problems and will lead to decline of standards of efficiency ; (c) whether any effective measures arc and under the contemplation of Government to prevent such conversions ? (0 if so, how Government propose to remove these difficulties ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA): (a) The MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Union Minister of Food, Agriculture, VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA): (a) The Community Development and Cooperation, Commission have been informed of the while speaking extempore at the Bhartiya 191 Writ/en Answers FEBRUARY 21. 1969 Wri/len Answers 192

Depressed Classes' League Conference. near the tip of the southern Breakwater to Anantapur (Andhra Pradesh), on the 29th arrest littoral drift, Cor widening the turn- December, 1968 referred to the inadequa- ing circle from 1100 Ct. to 1725 ft. cies of the Hindu social order in which diameter etc. This firm's dredger is people belonging to the Scheduled Castes expected to reach the port towards the were kept out of the main stream of end of February, 1969 and would. comm- social life. He said that advantage was ence work early in March. 1969. The being taken of this situation by prosely- work is expected to be completed in about tizing agencies for converting them to 7 months. their faiths on considerations other than religious convictions. No reflection on A cutter suction dredger belonging to Christianity or Christians was intended. Visakhapatnam Port Trust has alw been deployed at Paradip Port since 3.1.69 to (b) and (c). Under the provisions of remove the shoal at the entrance to the article 2S (I) of the Constitution all port. persons are, subject to public order, morality and health, equaHy entitled to General Cargo Berth at Paradeep Port freedom of conscience and right freely to profess, practise and propagate religion. 743. SHRI CHINTAMANI The question of Government taking steps PANIGRAHI: to check conversions does not, therefore. SHRI B. K. DAS- arise. CHOWDHURY: SHRI SRADHAKAR Para deep Port SUPAKAR: SHRI RABI RAY: 742. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI: Will the Minister of TRANSPORT SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: AND SHIPPING be pleased to state: Will the Minister of TRANSPORT (a) whether the final decision has been AND SHIPPING be pleased to state: taken in respect of building a general cargo berth at Paradeep Port; and (a) whether the draft of Para deep Port has been restored to 42 feet; (b) is so, the time by which it will be (b) whether the proposal to undertake built? contract dredging and also to employ a cutter suction dredger for effecting further THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE improvement in the draft has been finally DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY considered and decision taken; and AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI (c) if so, when this is proposed to be IQBAL SINGH): (a) and (b). The proposal implemented ? is still under examination. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY Rural Roads In Orissa AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI 744. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI- IQBAL SINGH): (a) to (c). During the GRAHl: Will the Minister oC TRANS- monsoon period of 1968 the draft at PORT AND SHIPPING be pleased to Paradip Port, which was hitherto 34 ft., state: fell down to 28 ft. Certain immediate remedial measures were taken and a draft (a) whether the Orissa Government oC 3S ft. has been restored at the port were requested to keep in view the Crom 30.11.1968. A contract has been recommendations oC the Rural Roads entered into by Paradip Port Trust with a Committee while formulating their Fourth Japanese firm for dredllinll the sand traps Plan; 193 W,W'II ls~'s PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) Writtell ~rs 194

(b) whether they have implemented the Standing Committee of the Council is, recommendations; and however, due to meet in March, 1969 to review the situation. (c) if so, the details of the recommen- dations which have been implemented? Activities of Naxalltes THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 746. SHRI D. N. PATODIA: AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI SHRI J. B. SINGH: IQBAL SINGH): Yes, Sir. SHRI HIMATSINGKA: SHRI A. SREEDHARAN: (b) and (c). The required information is SHRI SHARDA NAND: being collected from the State Government SHRI S. K. TAPURIAH: and will be laid on the Table of the Sabha SHRI SHRI GOPAL SABOO: in due course. SHRI ONKAR SINGH: SHRI RAGHUVIR SINGH SHASTRI: Communal Clashes SHRI R. BARUA: SHRI ONKAR LAL BERWA: 745. SHRI D. N. PATOOIA: SHRI N. R. LASKAR: SHRI PRAKASH VIR SHASTRI: SHRI HARDAYAL DEVGUN: SHRI 8. K. DASCHOWDHURY: SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: SHRI R. K. AMIN: SHRI OM PRAKASH TYAGI: SHRI R. V. NAIK: SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: SHRI K. P. SINGH DEO: SHRI SITARAM KESRI: SHRI J. MOHAMMAD IMAM: SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA: SHRI NARENDRA SINGH Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS MAHIDA: be pleased to state: SHRI RANJIT SINGH: SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK: (a) whether it is a fact that the evil of SHRI BENI SHANKER communal disturbances has once again SHARMA: raised its ugly head and incidents of SHRI S. S. KOTHARI: communal clashes have been reported from some States recently;

(b) whether Government have taken a Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS stock of the situation in order to consider be pleased to state: the desirability of convening a meeting of the National Integration Council to process (a> whether Government have kept close the factors which have led to such incidents eye on the activities of the Naxalites in and to keep them under control; and the country;

(c) if so, what is the Government's (b) whether it is a fact that the Naxali- assessment of the situation? tes have increased their area of activities in many of the States and many cases have THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE been reported where they have indulled MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI in armed robbery and have let loose a VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA): (a) Reports reign of terror; of some communal clashes in certain parts of the country have been received. (e> if so, the action taken in the matter and whether opposition parties have been (b) and (c). The Government constantly consulted in the matter; and reviews the position but there is no pro- posal at present to convene a meetina of (d) whether Government have considered the National Intearation Council. The the desirability of banning this Party? 195 Written Answers FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Wri/l"n Answers 196

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the extent that Central intervention has MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI become absolutely necessary; and VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA) : (a) to (d). The Central Government are closely (d) whether Government have taken watching the situation created by the any decision in this regard? activities of extremists in different parts of the country, particularly in the States of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Andhra Pradesh, Bihar, Kerala, Uttar MINISTR Y OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Pradesh and West Bengal and are in touch VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA): (a) Govern- with the State Governments. Incidents ment have seen press reports of the involving violence have been reported views expressed by the Congress Presi- mostly from the Srikakulam District in dent. Andhra Pradesh where the Girijans, under the leadership of extremists, have been (b) The Congress President is reported attacking public shandies and houses of to have stated that he was only expressing landlords, besides attacking the police and his view. forest officials. In Kerala also, the extre- mists attacked the Tellicherry Police Station (c) No, Sir. and the Pulpally Police Picket in Novem- ber, 1968. All possible steps are being (d) Does not arise. taken to ensure that the activities of these extremists are curbed and public safety, and the rule of law are not endangered. Decline in Calcutta Port Traffic It is proposed to discuss with the leaders of political parties in Parliament the 748. SHRI D. N. PATODlA: Will the question of any legislation to be enacted Minister of TRANSPORT AND SHIPP- to deal with the activities of the extre- ING be pleased to state: mists. (a) whether it is a fact that the traffic Central intenention in Kerala of Calcutta Port has shown a gradual decline for the last four years. if so, what 747. SHRI D. N. PATODIA: are the particulars and reasons thereof; SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL: SHRI HARDAYAL DEVGUN: (b) whether it is also a fact that com- DR. RANEN SEN: paratively the traffic at Bombay and Madras SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA: has shown steady increase and if so, the SHRI C. JANARDHANAN: particulars and the reasons thereof; SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: SHRI VA SUD EVAN NAIR: (c) as Calcutta covers an important SHRI E. K. NA Y ANAR: hinterland and important industrial belt of the country, whether it is a fact that Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS any diversion of traffic from this area to be pleased to state: other ports not only amounts to the cost of Indian products going up but also (a) whether it is a fact that the Congress losing foreign markets; and President is recently reported to have stated that the time of Central interven- (d) the steps taken by Government to tion in Kerala is very near; improve this distress state of affairs of Calcutta Port and to see that it may COme (b) whether the views of the Congress at par with other ports of the country ? President reflect the views of the Central Government; THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY (c) whether Government have received AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY any report from the Governor of Kerala OF SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT to the effect that law and order situation (SHRI IQBAL SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. prevailing in the State has deteriorated to There has been a progressive decrease 197 Written Answers PHALGUNA 2. 1890 (Saka) Writ/en Answers 198 in the quantum of traffic through Calcutta Port sin.;'e 1964-65 as indicated below :

(In millions of tonnes) 1964-65 1965-66 1966-67 1967-68 1968-69 (upto 31-1-69) Import 6.08 5.28 5.80 4.89 3.40 Export 4.98 4.56 4·31 4.11 3.37

The decline in the traffic handled was the dredging cost and other items of due to several factors such as fall in the expenditure including establishment, the tonnage of foodgrains imported as a result charges at Calcutta Port arc higher than of improved crop condition in the country. the charges at the neighbouring ports. The fall in the import of petroleum and lubri- higher rates of port charges, combined cating oil as a result of increased produc- with the restrictions in drafts, has stifled tion from indigenous sources, decline in the growth of traffic at Calcutta Port and the export of coal as a result of loss of in the case of certain commodities, there foreign markets arising out of competition has been marginal diversion of traffic to from other countries. fall in ore shipments other ports due to the low rate of port and lastly due to the ill-effects of the charges at these ports. recession in the economy being more pronounced in the Eastern Region where (d) To tide over the difficulties, the many of the engineering industries are Government of India have decided to bear located. With the recovery of the economy, half the cost of river dredging and main- it is expected that the traffic position will tenance which works out to about Rs. improve in the near future. 2.S crores per annum for a period of four years from 1968-69. This is expected (b) At Madras Port, both the import to afford substantial relief to the users of and export traffic has shown a steady the Port as, in the absence of this decision increase during recent years mainly due the port charges will have to be increased to the increase in the export of iron ore. which will stifle the growth of traffic This is not an item diverted from Calcutta. through Calcutta and encourage its The other items of export that have diversion to other ports where port charges shown an increase are iron and steel are lower. and pig iron. This increase is due to Review Committee Report on National the fact that the natural ports for export Council of EducatIonal Research and of these commodities could not handle Training all the Quantities that Hindustan Steel Limited wanted to export. 749. SHRI R. K. SINHA: SHRI ONKAR LAL BERWA: At Bombay Port, the traffic progressi- SHRI CHENGALRAYA NAIDU: vely increased from 1955-56 to 1966-67 SHRIMATI ILA mainly due to the establishment of the PALCHOUDHURI: Oil Refineries and heavy import of food- SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE: grains, fertiliser raw materials, iron and SHRI BRU BHUSHAN LAL: steel and related project materials. SHRI JAGANNATH RAO JOSHI: However, since 1967-68, the traffic is SHRI SURAJ BHAN: showing a declining trend. SHRI RANJIT SINGH: SHRI C. JANARDHANAN: (c) The expenditure on dredging and SHRI A. SREEDHARAN:. maintenance of the river Hooghly and SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: port dredging has gone up from Rs. " lakhs in 1947-48 to Rs. 7.S crores in Will the Minister of EDUCATION be 1968-69. As a resu It of the increase in pleased to state: 199 Written Answers FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Wril/en Answers 200

(a) whether the report of the' Review (11f) ~lr lfmlmf ~ ~ Committee on National Council of Educational Research and Training has ~ a~ ~t ctll'~l ~ mr been considered by Government; f

(c) if so, the details thereof; and ~~illt~

(d) how far the recommendations have 752. 11ft '~' ~ 'flIT ,~ been accepted and implemented ? m ~ lfil: arnf.t of.t 'PlT l~ flF : THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION (IF) ~ smr;l; ~ .r~ AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. V.K.R.V. RAO): (a) to (d). The report is under the lFT ~ ;rti\"m;l; ~ ~~ consideration of Government. ~ lFn ~ ~ if 3R ~ 'flIT 'fiTlf;m;:T Literate Population lFT lTit t am

750. SHRI R. K. SINHA: will the (11f) 'flIT ~~ it ~ qf(;m:: Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: lFT ~ m

.~~'~ Consumers Cooperative Society of Indian Institute of Technology, Kanpur ~ a~ ~ ~ ~ iffif.t of.t 'FIT 'l'ii:it flF : 753. SHRI S. KUNDU : Will the Minister of EDUCATION be pleased to (IF) 'f1:fT ~ smr if ~ fqifT'f state: ~ ¥.T a~ ro am (a) whether there has been a civil suit against the various charges of embezzle- l~ '~, '(!'[if; 'flIT >m:1J1 ~ ? ( 11f) aT ment, irregularities and illegalities commi- tted by the Consumers OHlperative ~~a~~~ Society of the Indian Institute of Techno- .,o~ : (IF) ~,~ I logy, Kanpur ; 201 Written A1I.Jwers PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) Wrillen Answers 202

(b) if so, whether the court has called (b) the couotries participatina in the for certain documents and whether docu- programme; and ments have been handed over ; (c) the steps taken to make it a (c) whether the purchase of 513 gas success? cylinders at a cost.· ~ Rs. 13,000, stationery purchased at Rs. 6000 and one cheque THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION No. 030254 dated 5th July, 1965 cashed AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. V. K. by K. B. Sahrin in the State Bank of R. V. RAO): (a) and (c). The India have not been accounted for; and Ghalib Centenary is being celebra- ted in India and abroad. In (d) whether newly elected office bearers India, an All India G halib Centenary have been given charge of the Co-operative Committee has been set up as a registered Society and, if not, the reasons therefor? society and the Prime Minister of India is the Chairman. This Committee has THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION organized an International Seminar on AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. V. K. R. Ghalib as well as exhibitions, ballets, V. RAO) dramas, Mushairas and Kavi Sammelan. Ghalib's publications are also being (a) No such civil suit had been filed. released. In addition, a Ghalib Memorial There was, however, a civil suit against is being constructed at New Delhi. holding the Annual General meeting of Similar programmes are being organized Society on the ground that adequate all over the country. The All India notice for the meeting had not been given. Radio arranged special programmes on The suit was dismissed by the court on Ghalib. A documentary has also been 29-11-1968. released. The P. & T. Department has released a commemorative stamp. The (b) Does not arise. Ministry of Education is giving a grant of Rs. 20 lakhs for the arrangements. (c) Detailed audit for 1965-66 and 1966-67 is in progress. (b) u. S. S. R., U. K., U. S. A., Iran, Czechoslovakia, Italy, West (d) The members of the Board of Germany and Kuwait are participating. Directors for 1967-68 assumed office after their election. The President-elect did Discoveries of Pre-I-larappan Age not assume office since he requested Ihe previous President to continue. The 755. SHRI RANJIT SINGH: elections for 1968-69 were slayed by a SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK: Court order. New office-bearers will SHRI HARDA Y AL DEVGUN: lake charge as soon as fresh elections are SHRI D. C. SHARMA: held. SHRI BEN I SHANKER SHARMA: Ghalib Centenary Year Will the Minister of EDUCATION be 754. SHRI RANJIT SINGH: pleased to state: SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK : SHRI HARDAYAL DEVGUN : (a) whether discoveries of the pre- SHRI D. C. SHARMA : Harappan age have been made at BallOI' SHRI BEN I SHANKER in Bhilwara District of Rajasthan during SHARMA: excavations carried out jointly by the Deccan Post-Graduate College and Will the Minister of EDUCATION be Research Institute of Poona & Rajasthan's pleased 10 slate : Department of Archaeology;

(a) the arrangements made for the (b) if so, the nature of dilCOveries Ghalib Centenary Year ; made; and 203 Writ/en Answers FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Written Answers 204

(c) the lilht they throw on the history? Several technical institutions are already offerinl general courses in this field and THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION research also is in prOlress. A centre for AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. V.K.R.V. advanced training and research in Mate- RAO) : (a) Yes, Sir. rials Science is proposed to be set up at the Indian Institute of Technology, (b) Three human burials, two fragmen- Kharagpur, in co-operation with USSR. tary and associated with burial pots, and one with a complete human skeleton but Cheap Accommodation for Middle without any associated object were found Income Tourists during excavation at the site of Bagor in Bhilwara District of Rajasthan. The 757. SHRI M. N. REDDY: Will the human skeleton of an adult individual Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL was found buried in an extended form. AVIATION be pleased to state : The bur ial is associated with small stone implements, called microliths, bones of (a) whether his Ministry, pursuant to wild animals which were eaten by the the recommendations of the India Tourist inhabitants of the site, and bits of hand- Development Council, has drawn up made, brown-slipped pottery, some bearing scheme to provide cheap accommodation incised designs. The strata overlying the for middle income tourists visiting various burial had iron implements and wheel pilgrim centres in the country; made pottery. On present estimate the burial is at least two thousand years old. (b) if so, the details of the schemes; and

(c) The finds are significant in so far (c) how and when they are to be as the culture of the late Stone Age period implemented? in Rajasthan is concerned. THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND Material Physics CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH): (a) to (c) It will not be possible to take up schemes of this nature during the 756. SHRI D. C. SHARMA : Fourth Plan within the financial resources SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK : available. SHRI RANJIT SINGH: SHRI BENI SHANKER SHARMA: SHRI HARDAYAL DEVGUN :

Will the Minister of EDUCATION be 758. iii\" an.m- ~ : pleased to state : 'l~~~ (a) whether it is a fact that India is 'l~~~ lagging behind in Material Physics; i!fllT l~~ ~ ~ ~

(c) the steps taken or proposed to be (Ifi) ill~.~ i't~sr taken in this field of education? ~~i'r~ ~~~ THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION ~ smr if W ~ fiI;oi't ~ AND YOUTH SERVICES (DR. V.K.R.V. ~ f

~~ ~n'..t ~ ~ ~ ~ ~n 2. The talks given by Shri Gac dealt with some of the constitutional powers of ~ ilITu

Secondly, I want to ascertain whether AUDIT REPORT RAILWAYS, 1969 this officer who has been speaking widely AND ECONOMJ<' ~l, 1968-69 in all parts of the country on various questions which have close nexus with THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND cllrrent political problems, is doing so as MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI an emissary of the Law Minister or the MORARJI DESAI) : I beg to lay on the Law Ministry or on his own. Table-

SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN: The hon. (I) A copy of the Audit Report, Rail- Member has raised a question which ways,1969 under article lSI (I) of certainly requires consideration in the the Costitution. sense whether a Government official has no right to express his views on academic (2) A copy of Appropriation Accounts, aspects of problems. That is, really Railways, for 1967-68, Part 1- speaking, a very ticklish question. Whe- Review. ther in this particular matter, Mr. Gae should have used his discretion to speak (3) A copy of Appropriation Accounts or not to speak, there can be two views Railways for 1967-68, Part 11- on this. But I cannot say that he has Detailed Appropriation Accounts. committed any breach of rule as such; I personally do not think so. As far as (4) A copy of Block Accounts (includ- inquiry is concerned, I cannot say that an ing Capital Statements comprising inquiry is necessary. About that parti- the Loan Accounts), Balance, Sheets cular view, I may agree with it or may and Profit and Loss Accounts, not agree with it; that is a different matter. Railways, for 1967-68. [Placed in The Question of dismissal of the Govern- Library, Se" No. LT-6I/69] ment of Bengal has now become a matter of past, of history, and somebody can (5) A copy of 'Economic Survey' 1968- academically examine the question also. 69. [Placed In Library, See No. (Interruptions) LT-63/69) 209 Wrillen Answers PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) Wrlllitn Answltrs 210

ANNUAL • 'lBPORTS OF NATIONAL copy of the Aircraft (Second Amendment) INSTITUTE FOR TRAINING INDUSTRIAL Rules 1968 published in Notification No. BNGlNEERING, BOMBAY AND lIT, G. S. R. 2147 in Gazette of India dated KHARAGPUR. the 14th December, 1968 under section 14-A of the Aircraft Act, 1934 toaether THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND with an explanatory note. [Placed In YOUTH SERVICES (DR. V. K. R. V. Library, selt No. LT-64/69j RAO) : I beg to lay on the Table- (I) A copy of the Annual Report of the National Institute for Training I STATEMENT RE ACTION TAKEN in Industrial Engineering, Bombay ON ASSURANCES for the year 1967-68 (2) A copy of the Annual Report of THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY the Indian Institute of Technology, AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND Kharagpur, for the year 1967-68. TRANSPORT (SHRI RAGHU RAMA- Placed in Library. .fee No. I IAH) : I beg to lay on the Table- LT-62/69] Following statements showing the AIRCRAFT (SECOND AMENDMENT) action taken by Government on various RULES assurances, promises and undertakings THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND Biven by the Ministers durinB the various CIVIL A VIA TION (DR. KARAN sessions of Lok Sabha shown against SINGH) : I beg to lay on the Table a each:

(i) Supplementary Statement No. I Sixth Session, 1968 (Fourth Lok Sabha) (ii) Supplementary Statement Nos. Fifth Session, 1968 (Fourth Lok Vll and VIlJ Sabha) (iii) Supplementary Statement No. XV Fourth Session, 1968 (Fourth Lok Sabha) (iv) Supplementary Statement No. X Third Session, 1967 (Fourth Lok Sabha) (v) Supplementary Statement No. XV First Session, 1967 (Fourth Lok &!bha) (vi) Supplementary Statement No. Tenth Session, 1964 (Third Lok XVIlJ Sabha) [Placed ill Library. See No. LT-6S/69]

NOTIFICATION UNDER DELHI LAND September, 1967. REFORMS ACT, ARMS THIRD AMEND- (ii) Notification No. F. 6O/LR.O/67 MENT RULES AND NOTIFICATIONS published in Delhi Gazette dated UNDER ALL INDIA SERVICES ACT. the 4th July, 1968 containing corrigenda to the Delhi Land THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Reforms (Amendment) Rules, 1967. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI [Placed in Library, s.e No. VIDY A CHARAN SHUKLA): I beg LT-1659/68.1 (J) to relay on the Table a copy each of the following Notifications (Hindi and English (2) A copy of the Arms (Third Amend- versions) under sub-section (3) of section ment) Rules, 1968 published in 191 of the Delhi Land Reforms Act, Notification No. G. S. R. 4 (Enllish 1954 : version) and G. S. R. S (Hindi version) in Gazetteof India dated the (i) The Delhi Land Reforms (Amend- 4th January, 1969, under sub-sect ion- ment) Rules 1967, published in (3) of section 44 of the Arms Notification No. F. 60/LRO/67 in Rules, 1962. [Placed ;n Library, Delhi Gazette the dated 21st ... No. LT-66!69j 211 E.C. ~ort FEBRUARY 21,1969 B. O. H. 212

[Shri Vidya Charan Shukla) Committee on action taken by Government (3) A copy each of the followin" on the recommendations contained Notifications under sub-section (2) in the Fifth Report of the Estimates of section 3 of the All India Services Commillee on the Ministry of Act, 1951 :- Education-(i) Indian Museum, Calcutta and (ii) Victoria Memorial Hall Museum, (i) The All India Services (Death- Calcutta. cum-Retirement Benefits) Sixth Amendment Rules, 1968, published in Notification No. G. S. R. 2139 in Gazette of India dated the 7th PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE December, 1968.

(ii) The Indian Forest Service FORTy-rnJRD REPORT (Probationers' Final Examination) Regulations, 1968 published in SHRI SONAVANE (Pandharpur): Notification No. G. S. R. 2211 beg to present the Forty-third Report of in Gazette of India dated the the Public Accounts Commillee on Appro- 28th December, 1968. priation Accounts (Civil), 1966-67 and (iii) The All-India Services (Conduct) Audit Report (Civil). 1968 relating to the Rules, 1968, published in Notifi- Department of Food. cation No. G. S. R. 3 in Gazette of India dated the 4th January, 1969. (iv) The Indian Administrative Service COMMITIEE ON PUBLIC UNDER- (Appointment by promotion) TAKINGS Seventh Amendment Regulations, 1968, published in Notification TWENTY-FtFTH REPORT No. G.S.R. 123 in Gazette of India dated the 18th January, 1969' SHRI G. S. DHILLON (Tarew Tarem): I beg to present the Twenty- (v) G. S. R. 124 published in Gazette fifth Report of the Committee on Public of India dated the 18th January, Undertakings on Praga Tools Ltd.-Paras 1969, making certain amendments in Section IV of Audit Report (Commer- to Schedule III to the Indian cial), 1968. Forest Service (Pay) Rules, 1968. (vi) G. S. R. 161 published in Gazette of India dated the 25th January, 12.09 hours 1969 making certain amendments to schedule III to the Indian BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE Administrative Service (Pay) Rules, THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- 1954. TARY AFFAIRS, AND TRANSPOR.T (vii) G. S. R. 162 published in Gazelle AND SHIPPING (SHRI RAGHU of India dated the 25th January, RAMAIAH): With your permission, Sir, 1969 containing corrigendum to I rise to announce that Government Busi- G. S. R. 123 published in Gazelle ness in this House during the week com- of India dated the 18th January, mencing from 24th February, 1969, will 1969. [Placed in Library, see consist of:- No. LT-67/69.) (I) Further discussion of the Motion of Thanks on the President'. Address. ESTIMATES COMMITTEE (2) General Discussion on the Railway SIXTY-SIXrn REPORT Budget for 1969-70. SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH As members are aware, the General (Noudyal) : 1 beg to present the Budget for 1969-70 will be presented on Sixty-sixth Report of the Estimates Friday, the 28th February, 1969 at 5 P.M. 213 Presilknl's Address (M) PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) President's Addrm (M) 214

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MR. SPEAKER: The Minister need fiI;trr ~ ~ t. ~ ~ ~ lftY ~ not answer to this. Which Bill will be ~~ momrtt omr ~tl brought and when, etc., cannot be discus- i~~~~~ sed in the House. These things will be decided in the Business Advisory ~~~tit crr~~~ Committee. ~ ~ ~it ~ ~ 3iI11:;Q ~..rt ~ ~ SHRI S. M. BANER1EE (Kanpur): lfilf tIT During the I ast meeting of the Business ~it~~t.~ Advisory Committee ... ~~a ~~ ~lt~

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. Member m I ~ aT'IfI ~ ~~ t may please resume his seat ...... ~~ ~~ am ~l ~~~~ ~~ SHRI S. M. BANER1EE : I am not am: !fiTf asking any question. I requested you ~arr~ ~~ll~~~ that day that some statement should be ~~ ~ro~~t made by the Education Minister suo moto on the teachers' strike. I request you ~~ ~~ rnll~ kindly to ask the Education Minister ... ~~'ti ~ ltiT ~ ~ ~ ~i ~ ~~~ ~ MR. SPEAKER : I have already asked am: him. The hon. Member knows about it. ~ ll~ !9m- ~~t Now we go the next item. ~ ~ 1!rT1 ~ ~ 3!'1iIT m ;rr;ffl it I fit;",! u:;r;:ftfu if ~ 1ft ~ ltiT m ~i ~ ar.fIT lftY ~ 12.10 hours. ~~~~lti~ ~ arq;ft ~~ ~~ MOTION OF THANKS ON THE ~ PRESIDENT'S ADDRESS-Contd. 12.12 hours. MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Mrityunjay Prasad. [MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER in the Chair]

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India; geographrally we are near China. ij- ~ !fiTlf if(f m- I ~ ~ With the withdrawal of the French there is a power vacuum in Vietnam. China is tmr ;ftftr ~ mr ~ iliA" m ? trying to fill that power vacuum; we are llim Jj'l(t m ~ ~ mr 1Ii"tilt trying to resist it. America is helping us 0Tif ~ ~ ~ but America cannot fill this vacuum. This it mlliif \Ill q: vacuum has to be filled either by China ~~~~~~~ or India but unfortunately, India is no- ~~i ~ ~ ~~ where in the picture; so, we are forced t to fall into the Chinese lap." flI; ~ it; ~ q"( ~ ~ ~li~~ ~~~t cr~ ~ sr~ lI'!f"t i\" ~ f'ti ~ ~ 'tm ~ ;it ~ lfl!T 1«fn ~ ~ l~ oro ~ ~ ~ I 0Tif ~ f'fi ~ ~ ~ \Ill ~ t, ~ t q: ~ ~arl 3l'Il<: 7ffi If>l ;:r{f ..rot ;it 'lffi(f IliT ~ttr ;ft ~~rr m ? ;ft;r mm lIT arh: 'fiTf m-m I ~ ~t sr~ ~ mf->l61\i1I .. rc: ij- ~r ~ ~ I amr ~ ~ 7ffi mcmr lfi<:(ft tim I'm lft ~ ~ If>l ;:r{f '+I"!: ~~ ~ rn it I '~ ~ '~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ f'ti 'Iii', 'fiT ~ ~ ~ ~ f'ti If>1f ~, ~ ~ ~i.tlrr ~, ;;rrqr;:r ~, ar~ f<;:rl!T IR ~ ~ ~l 7ffif; ~ -fIJi ~ ~ ~ lIT ~s ~ I ~ ~ ~ fl1<'r lfi<: ~ I 0Tif Ifl!T ~ Jj'-ft it; ~ ;rim 'ifi'R'T '~~ I ~ anftTifi ~ it, 3lh: ~ \Ill m~~ I1'ff ~ ~ n~tii I'fTI1<'Il it 3Th: ~.ii ~ li~~~a ~ ~ ~ ? iii\" it ~ ~ ~ '~ CI"Ifr sr~ ~ ~ I1fIf ~ fiI; q: m ~ ;;rTlfi<: lI1'[ ;;iT l~r oro ~ ~ ~ 7ffi ~rn~~ I ~ ~ srm: it; 'fiT ~ f'li<'l' lfi<: ~iit 3lh:;ft;r if ~ 'r~ ~ ~ 'Iii' I 'r~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~iit 'tiT Uifi I rn 'fiT I!iTI1 ~ srr~ ~ 'fiT ~ I ~ ~ ~~ Jj'-ft amr ~ 3l1$f ~ arl1U'tiif arm ij- 'fit ~ ~ ~~, ~ 'F'fIc ;;rr ~ ~, ~ ~~ ;;rr ~ ~ arrit I 1fIn: If>1t ~.~ro~ arh: ~r~ l~ 'F'fIc arr ~ n ij- t 6T ~ ~ ~'i 'TNT ~ ~ I m'tiif 'lffi(f ~ 'i~ ~ f'fi ~ m-u ~ it I 0Tif m l~ ~ it ~, ~ ~~ 1t f;f;:m ~, ~ ~ ~ 3l'Il<: a:rrq' 6lfTif ;:r{f ~ 3lh: 3l'Il<: ~ ~ ~ \fiT fit; q: 'Im(f it; ~ ~ ~ ~ ar~ ~ 3lh: ;ft;r 'fiT t ~ ~ I arri'~ If{ fiI; l<+1Tif ~ ;;n<:T1IT ;it ~ ~ ~ rn t pliT fmr ;ftffl ~ ~ it; ~ 'liT 'lffi(f ;f'f ~ qritIfr ~ ~ ~~ r~i'~tl~ ~~~, ~ ~ 3lh: ~ ~ ;ftfu' ~ it; ~ q"( ~ ~'i~~i~ ~ ~~~itiitl ~'i~ ~ ~ 3th: ~ 'fiT i~ arri\" ~ m I Ifl!T ? ~ 'lffi(f 'liT ~' I ~ 3t'f'ft ~ iftrn- q"( 'fI (jClJ(ofIM t c:mr t 'ti~~~ ~ ~~ arm w..- ir.f it; .-r't it ~ f'J pr ~ ~ at'R ;ml mft' ~ ;ftftr ~l'tii~'~ ~ ~ 235 President's Address (M) FEBRUARY 21, 1969 President's Address (M) 236

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~tlar~~~, :;ft;:ft- ~ ~ ~ i~ m ~, ~~ am: "I'Tfit;m;fT it~~~~~~ ffiCr, ~ '~ ~ I ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ tt~'l'li'~~ t'''~t'.t lfiT1f ~ ~ ~ I ~ <1i1r ~ ~ l('f(1C\Oi Il(! IIilf<1" ~l' ~ ~ lfiT1f tt~ ~ ~t~l ~ IRifT li~ ~ ~. i~ ~ m ~ ~ ~ ~ I arT'i ~ 't ~ ~ I ~ 3l"f.'t ~ 'lffi"llHr ~ flI; Cf ~ ifiT ~ ~, ~ ifiT ~ il"3f'l'ft a:rm ~ ~~ ~~ ~ ;:r) ~ 'ffifl!i Cf f.,. EWI Ifll ~ ~ lli~ am: ;ft;:r 'liT ~ t ;;IT ifiT ~ it ~ ~ t.tr~ I I'm l ~ flI; ~~ fu1J: ~~ ~~ 'I'ffif"If it .n~ it ~ ~, ~'~~ ~'i ~rn mmr ~.n~''i~l''. ~~ ~ fu1J: 3l'r'i 'fliT ~ ~ ~ ? fm tf1if 'f>l .r.t ~ Ifl'T atNIfln: ~ i~ ~ if 3l"f.'t 3l'f'll1ITl'fUf it ~ tTIflffi" ~ I ~ f.f; ~t 'i<: ~ ~ 'i~ G<1' ~ ~~it ~t~, ~ ~il.'t ~ it III ~ 'f>l ~ l!i<:ifr 'if! ~ ~ am flI; '1ft ~ t fit; ~ ~ 0lff.Rr ~ 3R{ ~~~~lil~~ ~., am: ~~'l lI>'t lfTCfifT ~ ~ 'fi") ~'i 'IT+!" w.t it 'lI"U om ~ ~ I 'm 3lT'iif IIi'4't «l ~ ~ 'liT iff+!" amlf litT ~~'l Ifll ~ t w.t it ~ ~ ~ I at11<: ~ 'f>l ~lii ~tli ~ ~ W ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ;:r) ~ ~ ~ 'liT 'IT+!" '1ft 'm IIi'4't arT'iif ~ l¢t ~ 'fliT ~ ~ ~ flli ~ it otT t ? ~~., Ifllt ;rt Ifl'("AT mcmr ~~ ~ ~lii~n ~ ~, IflTf iflfT ~ ~ t I ~ ~ 'li~ l!i<:ifr ~ ~ ? m- ~ ~ llit~ ~i'itl~ t~ ~ !f4fu 'liT <1i1r 'dOT ~. i~~ iIJ6' qt • ~ ~ ~ 'liT <1i1r ~or ~ ~ ilrfiI;;r W IIi'4't 3lT'iif ~ flI; ~ ~ ~ 3R{ ~ 'f>l ~ l!Wf ~ ~t ~~'l Ifl'T ~ ~~ ~~lli~~i'~ ~~~l~ll'~ ifh: ~i 'fi"'Ift ~ o;fi;;r 'fiT ~ '1ft ~ ~ t Ai tr'lft <1'm ~ "l flI;lfi 'Ii\' ~ flI; ~ ~ it ~ ~ ~, ~ 1fT ~ t {f tr'lft Ifll 239 Prtll/delll'lI Adm" (M) FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Preside,,/'s Address (M) 240

~~~ House stands adjourned till 2.00 P.M.

W W ~ am: {t I ~~ ~ ~ lIi't 13. brs. ~~~i~~a~ The Lok Sabha adjourned lor Lu"ch ~ ~ !0 'lt~, ~~ till Fourtee" 01 the Clock. !0 '1ft it, ~ ~ 't~, ~i ~~ ~~ aii~ ait~ 14. OS hrs. ~~~r'l~ ~~ii The Lok Sabha re-assembled alter Luueh till'~ii' ~~~ at Five Minutes Past Fourteen 01 the ~r.t ~ I ~ ~ if ifif ~ ~ Clock. '11f.,feifl<'! q-rfclft ~~, ~ ~~~, [SHRI GADlLlNGANA GOWD in the ~i~ ~~ i~~ Chair.] ~ if '1ft ~ am: ~ Ollf'ffi ifiT fm MOTION OF THANKS ON THE PRESI- '~ qrif lIT ~ ~ <;IT1'q DENTS ADDRESS Can/d. ~~~, ~~~l~ ~ ~ ~ ~, if; mij' ~ amqr '1ft ~ ~ ~ om: II<'fmI' : ~ ll~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ it~ ~~r ~i . qr fifi if 'U'Sit-. a~i sr~i~ ~ Ifl ~ If'''iI'T it iI>"l' if; ~ if; ~ ~ ~, CIT ~ ~ ~i ~~ ir~ I ~~t,~~~t,~ ~i ff 3T'f.t iit~ if; ~ ~ ~ ''~i ~ ~~ ~ f'fl(IfiIHffi) ~ t I fifi I!lfT it 'f<: a~ roll'i~ ~i ~ MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The hon. Member may continue after Lunch.The ~ ilRfTif ~ ~ t arh: amr 241 PreJldent'J Address (M) PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) Preside",'s AddresJ (M) 242

1ft;r{l' ~ ~~ w ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ tn: ~ mr...r ~ ~r it." ~ 'l ...... ~ .. I<: 'I>'\" llTlm 1Ii1, lI>T ~ garr t, m~t' 1ft ~ ~ '1ft m'IfiIT 'fiT ..... tl~ it ~ ~ f.fatR;r ij'ifIOl t I ~ ~ if ifI'tf ~l ~ a;r;.jf 'T ;;n ~ ~ ~ I ~ ..... m~ cmr fil:;( ~ tn: fullf ~~ l~ ~ if lIif ifT'f-ftR9 ifi"T ~ ;a-or ~ ~, ~ ~ii .nor~ fiRfr ~ if ~ 3ffl1TTCf 'for m'IfiIT ~ ~ ~ ~ I fiRfr I!mr ~ it." lIT 1'Rf iIi.nor am.t l!i'+fr ~r it." i'fT11 tn: Q;m ~ ~ ~ am: eft ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ij'ifIOl ~ ~ Tartf ti"ITiif 'fiT 'T it ~ ~ '3f1l'TlIT '11" I ~ ~ ~ if ll'i)' f<'Rlrr ~ fit; ~ ~ ~~~'i ~tl ~...~~lr.l ~ ~~ armt ~ ~ m CIIn'lT ~ I ~ fit; ~ ll'i)'t it." ~ T JI'im:....-uiT ~, ijl"SI<=iF'4",dI ~ ...~~~~i't~ ~, '~t,~ mmmr ~ati~i il'ti~~i~ if ~ ~i..''' lI>T ~ .m ""'"' ~, 243 Presidellt's Address (M) FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Presidelll's Address (M) 244

lt~~ ~al ~ ~t it~ ~ om!' ~ ;r;ft trf ~ I :&,4",!zm:r1", fiFr.( ",=11 lIiT ~ SJ1rn Q;iI'i ~~ ~ ~, m srom: artf em t ? em anq' ~~ ~ 9;0 Q;o am: 0 , mro:rr am: ~ ~ ~'~ 'tiT aN ~ ~ ~ ~ fir; ~ t am: f1t;r Q;ifi ~ m r'ti~r ~~tril'i~ ~ I mro:rr if 14 troil;, ~ if 14 ~ ~ ~ 'tiT mr 'lt~ trok am: 9;0 Q;o am: 0 if 12 trok qt'tiT mIT '~ ~ 'tiT ~ ~ rrr~'i'~, ~ii' ~~ If"( ~r it a~'i ~ ~ ~~ ;r.'t ~ ~ ~ lift ar~ it f1r.;rffi' ~ I ~ ~ Q;iI'i ~~ ~,~~.~~~~ ~~~ii'~'ltr~~~ am: ~ anq' ;r.'t ~~ ~ t I ~ 'U\if 'lit ~r ~ ~ ~~ ~, ~ ~ if fuqi mftfeifi<'l' 1{;;rrfdT ~ ~~'tia~~ I ~ll'ti ~

~~~it~'i~'~~ ~ if ;;IT ~ ~~, ~~~~~ii ami' ~'i ~ 1fllT ~ ~ ~ll ~ ~~ p ~~ ~ii~a'~~ .i'a.~l ~ roftrcr ~ ~ ~ ? ~ ~ ~ 1947 it ~ if lfi1f ~ iIil ~~ ~ ~ l'~~~~tl~~~ ~ fw I'flIT I 1fllT ~ ~ ~ ? ~ ~, ~' ~ ~ ~ T ~ l~ q;: 11;'fi ~i 'fiT ~ ~ ron q;: 'i~~ ~~it~i I'flIT I 1fllT ~ 11;'Ii ~tl ~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~~ ~ ? ~ tIT ~ ~ gprn rn 'fiT I ~ ~li ~' ~ 'i~ ~~ iii SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: (Kanpur): On a point of order. We are discussing fu'11;, ili~~ ili~,'i a very important matter. At least some 'fmf 'T ~ 11;'Ii SfT'!ft;; ~ t I ITNT ~ ~ ~~~litlit~~ ~ iii ~ ~ it,;;fu fit; 'U1f ~ '!i'm, ~ r~ 'T ~~, ~ii~~itl ~ri'~ ~~'lir~ Ifttl ~~~~~i'~~ ~tl~~ ~~~'i ~.rt iii ~ ~ ~ 1fllT ~i~~ ~~~~ ~.rt~l'~ ~, ~ ~i ~ sroWof ~ iii ~~~it~~ ~i~,~~ ~~ 1ft ~ it ? ~ ~ 'IT fit; 'lith l 'liT ~ q

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~ ~ ~ arW'iI'(f m- 'I{t ~ I l~ ~ ;;IT tt>'T n it ~ The President has referred to integrated economic development of the country and ~ ~ lfT 'i'ror~

[Shri S. K. Sambandhanl such thing is the utilisation of our river an answer for himself. It will only be in waters of the country. We have big the negative. rivers running in the north, medium rivers in the middle of the country and small Whenever we point out certain defects rivers in the south. Many people have from this side and point out certain grave suggested the linking of these rivers. If things like what has happened in Bombay the Government were sincere all along, and the atrocities done by the Shiv Sena, they would have linked all the rivers of they simply refer back to the Member the country within these 21 years since concerned and some of the parlies on this we won Independence. They have not side saying, "You too have done this or done it, They are only saying that we that." Like that they have referred to will become self-sufficient after 2 years. some incident in Tamil Nadu also. They Every two years, they talk like that. have completely forgotten that they are the ruling party. They are there for the SHRI S, KANDAPPAN (Mettur): last so many years. ,They are the single From 1960, they are building the buffer largest party in the country holding stock. responsibility at the Centre. I want to remind them of a Tamil as well as SHRI S, K. SAMBANDHAN: Almost Sanskrit saying. In Tamil it is: Arasall every alternate year there are floods in Evvazhi Avvazhi Kudigal and it means some parts of the country and drought in that the way the king goes, the people in other parts of the country. If they were a country also go. The Sanskrit saying really sincere they would have done some- is: Yatha raja tatha praja. Being the thing. Is it not their primary duty to premier political party of this country and fulfil targets as far as agriculture is a party that is running the administration concerned? In order to fulfil targets, the for the last so many years from the date main thing is availability of water of independence, is it not the responsi- facilities for irrigation. Why have they bility of this Government? Should they not done it? Are they going 10 do it ? not set up some good traditions so thaI They have not taken a decision even about other parties may follow? If at all Narmada, Godavari and Krishna. That there is anything bad either in any of shows they are not sincere in the welfare the Opposition parties or in any of the of the country. There is indecision on States run by the Opposition united par- the part of the Government in regard to ties, it is only because it is a reflection of this. They are not at all sincere in what what they had done in the past. So, let they say. them think about this, correct themselves and set up good traditions so that our country progresses. Yesterday, Prof, Ranga also referred to disparity and differential treatments The President has appreciated the leading to so many disturbances in the taking up of scientific agriculture by the country. One such disturbance has farmers of the country. I do not want to occurred in Telengana. The Government refer to the hurdles. hardships and parti- should take care to see that no disparity ality experienced by the farmers because or differential treatment is meted out to there will be no end to the hurdles and any section of the population or any part hardships experienced by the farmers of the country, If we take up the throughout the country. from Himalayas to agricultural development, we can easily Cape Comorin. I can only say that the point out what disparities and prejudicial Government have forgotten that all their or differential treatment has been shown planning in agriculture will yield a in the past. certain percentage of fruits at least if only nature also cooperates. Otherwise. in Then, my hon. friend, Shri Prem Chand case nature fails to cooperate, some Varma also spoke at length about big alternatives, as far as possible. that could projects and the creation of new India. But be implemented, that arc practicable, he has forgotten the amount of money should be planned and implemented. One that is being spent Bnd criminally wasted 261 President's Address (M) PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) President's Address (M) 262

to the tune of hundreds of crores. The plant at Salem. total outlay amounts to more than 1000 crores. There a~ 110 many steel plants So also, there are disparities and parti- in the north. The south has been asking alities in the case of railway lines. We for steel plants. Tamil Nadu, parti- have been asking for doubling of the cularly, has been asking for a steel plant railway line from Madras to Villupuram for the last so many years, not only now which has been electrified recently. after the D. M. K. Government has come Without doubling the benefit of electri- to power, even long before that. Mysore fication is not at all felt. The trains and Andhra have also been demanding a have to stop at each and every station, steel plant. In all these places, a steel even though they are not scheduled to plant would cost about Rs. 100 to 200 stop, for crossing purposes. If you see crores. If three steel plants are located the amount spent in the North and the in these three States, it will not come to amount spent in the South, then that the cost at which Bokaro plant is being will show the disparity and partiality of put up. But they are not sincere in the Central Government towards the locating steel plants in the south. They Southern States. have not realised that these three plants will provide employment, twice or thrice the number of people that Bokaro plant About two years ago, at the beginning can provide. We are facing the problem of this Lok Sabha, they said that the of unemployment in every State. Our proposal for electrification of the line from population is alarmingly growing. At Madras to Arkonam, which is a distance this juncture, is it not the duty of the of only 40 miles, would be taken up, but Central Government to think of that no proposal has been made so far; not problem also? They are not doing that. even investigation has been done. I do If they have not done it, is it not our duty not know why. If such a partiality is to accuse them or blame them. shown, I do not know what will be the position of the people of Tamil Nadu. As far as the Tamil Nadu steel plant is I would request the Government to take concerned, even when the Congress up at least now the electrification of the Government was there, Mr. Venkataraman line from Madras Central to Arkonam. who is now the Member of the Planning Commission was the Industries Minister of Madras and he went to Japan and asked Then I come to the question of langu- the Japanese experts to come to Madras age. Yesterday, the eldest Member of and explore the possibilities of setting up this House, Shri Govind Das, said that a steel plant there. The Japanese experts everyone should sacrifice to a certain worked out the details and gave the extent. He wanted sacrifice on our part. economics of it also. They said that it I would like to ask him and the other is economically feasible and it will work fanatics of Hindi whether it is not their profitably also. There was some corres- duty to show some sacrifice. The official pondence with the Central Government language, which is already in ellistence when Mr. Venkalaraman was the and with which we are more conversant, Industries Minister of Madras. is still being used in every corner of the country. Why should it be replaced unne- The Japanese also came forward for cessarily? That is a common language, collaboration. In spite of that, the Cen- the most convenient language, now for tral Government did not agree to that. the whole world. In spite of that, large Even today they are not agreeing. If amounts are being spent in the introdu- such a differential treatment and partiality ction of Hindi. For instance, we get so goes on, do you think that everybody will much of papers in Hindi and we have to keep silent for long? Is it democracy waste our precious time in sorting out then? Do the Government want such a the papers. It is a criminal waste. If democracy, I want to ask. If it is really with the same print and ink, text-books a democracy, then they have to concede could be printed and distributed to the in the Fourth Five-Year Plan one steel poor students from the primary stage to 263 President's Address (M) FEBRUARY 21, 1969 President's Address (M) 264

[Shri S. K. Sambandhanl industry on which more than 10 to 15 iile university stage, it would be very million people depend, they had spent helpful. So much of money is being crimi- throughout the Third Five Year Plan only nally wasted on Hindi papers and in the about Rs. 24.76 lakhs. Is this reason- introduction of Hindi. Hindi is being forced able? I would ask Government to apply through the back door method on the their mind to this kind of disparity. Central Government employees. I would Whatever affection they may have for the warn the Government against the conse- khadi industry, yet, there should not be quences if they continued to do it. so much of disparity. In the name of Gandhiji, ] would request them when The Prime Minister and the others they are celebrating the Gandhi Centenary ,speak of integration and of Centre-State Year to show some reasonable attitude relationship. In a democracy, particularly towards the handloom industry. of the type that we have, only the States can deliver the goods to the common man SHRIMATI SUDHA V. REDDY and to the public at large. So, socialism (Madhugiri) : I have great pleasure or nationalism or 'integration should be in endorsing the Motion of Thanks on the correctly understood by the party in President's Address. power. Only the States can deliver the goods to the public and, therefore, the The President is to us the palladium of States should be given more funds and all civil rights and liberty, which have more powers also. It is of no use wasting been amply demonstrated in the recent the money at the Centre. I would, there- mid-term elections that we have had in fore, request the Government to have a several major States. In this connection, rethinking on all these aspects and do ] would like to recall the words of Ernest the right thing. Barker; in his Principles of Social and Poli- tical Theory he has made some very inte- Then, I would like to point out the resting observations about the rights and disparity shown by the Central Govern- functions of the State. He has said : ment in regard to development of hand- "It can declare and guarantee the loom industry. The hand loom industry rights and duties of religious is one of the biggest cottage industries in societies but it cannot itself be a the country, next to agriculture, and religious society. It can declare provides employment for lakhs and lakhs and guarantee the rights and of persons. duties of authors, teachers and all Lakhs and lakhs of persons along with other persons engaged in the crea- their families are engaged in the hand loom tion and transmission of culture; industry. The ruling party speaks of it cannot, however, itself be the Gandhiji and it is celebrating the Gandhi creator and inculcator of culture. Centenary year. Gandhiji was all for It can declare and guarantee the cottage industries including the khadi rights and duties of all agents industry. Khadi is no different from engalled in social and economic handlooms. In the khadi industry they production; indeed, it can even use handspun yarn. But the number of become itself an agent in an area if people engaged in the khadi industry is a due guarantee of the rillhts of absolutely small compared to the number the labouring classes and of their of people depending on the handloom employers cannot otherwise be industry. A few lakhs and lakhs of provided; bui it offends against its people are either unemployed or under- own nature and it encroaches on its employed in the handloom industry due to own primary legal function if it loads the negligence and careless administration itself with any laTlle burden of direct of even the meagre funds made available economic or social activities. It is a to the hand loom industry. The figures supervisor of activity and not a Ilene- will show that for the few lakhs of people rator. It is the author of a framework depending on cottage industries, in the of rights and duties but it cannot be Third Five Year Plan Government spent the whole framework of rights and Rs. 94 lakhs. whereas on the handloom duties by itself." 265 President's Address (M) PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) President's Address (M) 266

My point of view must necessarily be tution 7 And there I may include women that of. a social worker. Somebody said of and children. I think the Commission a social worker Ii at she or he must have on Backward Classes said that women the strength of a horse, the hide of an would be included amongst the backward elephant, the eye of a hawk, the wisdom of classes. Why they said it, I do not a serpent and the harmlessness of a dove. know I May I suggest that this country But today I see a very amusing may go increasingly under the administra- spectacle which seems a little more tion of housewives? It will do the country diverse than the picture of the social good. I think men have had many trials and error s at making messes; so, worker that I gave you-this we see in West Bengal. It seems to me that the why not the \\omen ? The time has come picture of this miniature zoo presents the when women must be taught better methods of agriculture, because after all, eye of a falcon looking out for crea- ting trouble, the hide of a buffalo, the it is the women who do 60 per cent of hissing of a serpent, the beak of an eagle the agricultural operations, right from and the trunk of an elephant trying to the seeding, harvesting, winnowing, throw water on problems temporarily, storing etc. up to the cooking of the only to be sorted out again by some other grain in a palatable form for their lords party. With the conglomeration of and masters who could sit up and faculties like this, Communists, Left, criticise later on. May I also suggest Right and Centre, the Bangia Congress, that greater care must be taken in the SSP and the S. U. C. it presents a nourishing backward areas which have spectacle of an Unlike-minded Uneasy remained backward despite all the crores Front. "Uneasy," they say, "lies the head that have been spent on them. that wears the crown." But this animal It is likely that every time it was a has as many heads as Ravana, and I question of putting out temporary pallia- hope that all the heads will lie easy and tives which were absolutely temporary in deliver a good administration to the State their effect. I think the time has now that it governs. come when schemes for the backward areas must be put on a war footinll, when 15 hrs. money must be found for these ameliora- We arc very thankful for secularism, tive schemes, irrespective of whether irrespective of what our friend Shri Bal moneys are found for other large prestige Raj Madhok said here this afternoon. projects. After all, one must remember- But at the same time, secularism is today I think the Kumbhakarna of our Govern- increasi ngly becoming significant of ment has woken up to realise-that irreligiousness. After all, religion, "arn:f WW'fu ~ I ctymologically, means nothing else but to bind. And irrespective of what It is not steel alone that is Brahma. religion it be, be it the religion of the Man cannot eat steel. One must Self or any other, I hope that this spirit remember that if these areas remain back- of religiousness will be exercised and ward for any length of time, the flames taught more and more especially to the of discontent can be fanned by many younger generation. interested people, irrespective of the par ty they come from and these gullible victims On the motion of no-confidence, many can be taken advantage of and nobody of the Members opposite spoke eloquently can blame them if they go astray. and at very great length averring that all that they said was for the benefit of After all, one must remember the old posterity. In fact, at one time I was saying: ';r ;rU ~

[Shrimati Sudha V. Reddy] In the same plea I may include the ultimately, it filters down to one thing, Mahajan's award which is the fourt,h award that money has a very great place in the with regard to Mysore's boundaries-it life of man; everyone must have a should be lIiven effect to. minimum of money, and towards this end While education has a high priority, we economic production has to be stepped up seem to have forgotten that education and geared at every stage. really means in the Oxford Dictionary the Regarding agticulture, may I mention training of character. What we have in some of the problems which confront the mind by the word education is a sort of countryside 1 Especially in Mysore State, "udhara nimi/lha", to fill one's stomach. many of the tanks are hundreds of years That is characteristic of a poor nation and old; they have neither been repaired, nor nobody can be blamed for this attitude. desilted from the bank. They have Let us then be practical and link up our outlived the optimum purpose for which requirements of university education with they were dug, and the country, lost in our employment potential; let us not create these grandiose projects, is just now waking an ocean of disturbance in the minds of up to minor irrigation on an intensive the educated young who have no jobs to scale. I hope minor irrigation and soil find. J remember that many years ago the conservation will receive enhanced priority Ramaswamy Mudaliar Committee went in the years to come. into this matter and suggested that the matriculation standard should be enough Another progtamme which must be for most white collar jobs. J wish we undertaken from my point of view is, apart kept to that because, as that famous from slum clearance, more ameliorative educationist Oliver Reddicks noted, even schemes for slum areas. Many govern- very affluent countries have not tried to ments have tried to clear slums and have make university education universal; but failed, but surely ameliorative progtammes here, we, a poor country, are trying to do can be undertaken. I may even go to that. Insistence on a good standard in the extent of saying that the birthplace of matriculation examination should more senas is usually in slum areas. Living than suffice for ordinary life. with no privacy, with just a couple of inches to move in, living in such irritating, 15-12 hrs. sardine-packed proximity to one another, [MR. DEPUTy-SPEAKER in Ihe, Chai/'] creates a psychological tension which can only break out in violence. We have My suggestion as a housewife is that seen plenty of demonstrations of our industries should be more consumer these attitudes, these flaming oriented and not sentiment or ideology emotions, whether they be located oriented. We see that the HMT watch in Bombay or Calcutta or one other place. factory has made a success. I think Government must undertake programmes of high priority in these areas. It is by this means that Japan has One other plea which I would make progressed despite all the devastations that is this. While I have no doubt at all overtook it during the Second World that decisions are taken in good time War. What the Japanese can achieve. and for good reasons, I would like them we can, with a little more hard work. J to be expedited. Whether they relate to also feel that the expansion of the various awards or to industrial licences or to industrial units, especially the State- riparian disputes or other things, delays owned ones should be located In areas can be absolutely frustrating, aDd there where the parent factories are located are experiences which defeat any argument. because there is a duplication of admini- I would, therefore, quote one of Tolstoy's strative buildings, staff and housing colonies sayings, 'Too late to go here, too late to aDd so much of capital expenditure get there, too late to get anywhere.' becomes unfruitful. Let us depart from this and see that We have learnt to speak only in terms decisions are taken keeping in mind the of crores. Let us humble ourselves ,in old adalle: justice delayed is justice denied. figures. I know sometimes it incurs the 269 President's Address (M) PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) President'., Address (M) 270

wrath of demographers when figures shrink. ~ 'fiT fu1til<: ~ ~ l'r~ But let us assume some amount of humility in figures. Why cannot we take pride in ~ m ~ mfIT ar'Rl1: ;:rot 'fiT €:r ;;mIT smaller projects,· not in the optimum but ~ am: arrur ~r W -:om artil;rf(f ifO) in the minimum because those are the ~ ~ ones which will really, in the long run, am: ;;rr w I armr it ;;it meAT progress and become viably productive. ~ ~ arf"ll'l1TlfUT t '>tq-;;ft ~~ ~ Let us see that the taxes are well utilised on 'T ~r ~ ~ ~,~ ~ aft<: May I also plead for the Rajasthan Canal ri~~~ iit~ and also pay a tri bute to the great lady 1ft ~ t~, ~~t 3!h: ~ if who made such a verbal effort regarding u the bringing in of this canal, at the same ar<'f{f -IT<'f{f I ~it arf"ll'l1TlfUT it ~ time, keeping her area so poor that the ;:fO 18 if ~ {flfr ~ f'T l'ff"!ffWr if ~ t:l'f learning by the method of trial and error, l'fl<'r 514 fqfu-q;:r mn: ~ ~it I ~ but I have no doubt that whatever party affiliations we have, we will all contribute ~~l''r~~ to a healthy evolution of this great coun- try of ours. "flmft ~il it; fT ~ ifif ~ ~ ~ 'T ;;it amm: ar:rrrr lJrlfUT ~. Iff 't~ it; I ~ ~ ~ ~it ~l' ~ if;ln; amI'f-,!fi;e if>T ~ t, ~ lI>'T ~~ ~ ~~ ;ftfCfliT ~ it; ~ro ~ ~ am: if tft ~ Q3IT 'fT I l'it~~ ~ olll'r~ t~ l'~ lI>'T l~i amI'f-iJfq , MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: It miaht be t a printing slip. I have followed it. ~ilat am: ,~ oro ~ ~ am: ~ if>r(Jf ~ fit; ~ 'liT ~ am: 271 President's Address (M) FEBRUARY 21, 1969 President's Address (M) 272

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Resolutions Presented to the House ~ m ar;lT ~l ~ if; 'lft on the 20th February, 1968." 1fif ~ ~ I U w.f it Ifit, ~ ~ ~ ~ (1!,ir(): ~~ ~ i\' t:!;'I> ~, ~, 1fiT fri ~ir~~~ m ~ '1<: ~ ~~~~ W ~ 1fiTo:r a~~, o:rft ThaI in .Ihe mOlion,- mo:r ~ ~ ~ ~ o~ add al the end- i~it I ~ ~ ~, 3f'f.t ~ ~cr ~ ~ "With Ihe modification thaI further if; srfu, if; srfcr I w debate on the Constitution (Amend- ~ ment) Bill, 1967 by Shri Nalh Pai, as reported by Joinl Committee, be adjourned and the Bill be laken up ~ ~ i\' ft ~ 3ffifi i~ on a day or days allotted for the ~ ~ ~ ~i ~ ~ transaction of Government Business ;fit I '1<: aNT- as the Speaker may, in consultation ar4T ~~ ~ om: i\' t:!;'I> ~ 3fTlfT with the Leader of the House, decide. ¥:fT I ~ '1<: Cflf fif;l:rr IflfT f'f; ~ The House further resolves that if any Rules need to be suspended to ~ f"fl:!; 3f'f.t mil' i\' ~ ~l fo:r1fiT"f- enable resumption of the discussion ~~lir~~i t~o on the aforesaid Bill, the House shall ~ ~ ~ ~ proceed to do so before such i\' t:!;'I> 3fT9i resumption." (1) i\' 3fTlfT ¥:fT I ~ om: i\'"lft ~ il" ~ f.:ruTlf fif;l:rr f'f; 'tf1fi -;rn fiA i\' 1fiT'fiT fimm m ~ ~ fm'l> '1<: ~ <'flri'f 1fiT ~ ~, ~~ cr~ ~ ~ arm;r ~ t:!;'I> 'if<'lTf Iff, a1 ftil" ~'.t~i'~~~ I ~ iITCI" 1fiT am: llfRT ¥:fT I ftil" i~ ¥:fT ~ ~ ~, l~ f1fi f;r:n:r til~~'l~~~ ~~i ~ ~ .i~ H~ ~ f1fi ~ fm'l> 1fiT ~ ~li fi!;m 'lft f.:r;;rT ~ ~ fm'l> ~ ~ mlffu ~ 'n~ ~ ~i I ft -;rn ~ ~ ~ 'i~ I U ~'i ~ ~ ilJ, ioi't~., ~ ~~ I iro ~ ~ IflfT ~, ~'or 1fim 'lft f'l>m ~ ~ mr ~ '~~~~ ;fT fir<;r iii ~ 14 ~ 20 fl'RC 'l>T ~ 5fVf1f ~ 3fOi f.:r;;rT ~ro 1fiT ~ ~ at~ ~ frt: srr~ iii ~ ~ ~ ~ '1<: ~ilrr~r ~ 31 ~ '1<: ~i~i~i~ I ~ If;)f ~ ~~~, ~~ rtt~tl~~ilisr~ ~~r~~ 281 P.M.B. Comlll. Report PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) P.M.B. Comm. Report 282

SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA (Delhi important issue, the people must be able Sadar) : I support what has been said by to judge the conduct of the Members Mr. Madhu Lill.aye. of Parliament & the Parliament as a whole. I do not bother about the technicality as SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY to how it is to be done. That is not my (Kendrapara): I have to say only one concern. My only concern is that this thing. I have no objection. As Mr. Bill should be continuosly discussed and Madhu Limaye pointed out, in order to the Government must find proper time facilitate discussion of other Bills that for it are lying and since this Bill has support almost of the majority of the House, it SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE (Calcutta is meet and proper that the House may North Best) : Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, fiix a day or days, if necessary, to discuss I fear, I am rather doubtful about the the Bill and pass it. The proposal is position which is being sought to be acceptable to me only on one condition created. That is why I expect a definite that let us fix a day or days, the number assurance from the Government without of hours, that we want to devote to this which I am not in a position to agree to Bill during this very session, before this the suggestion put forward. I say so Budget session adjourns. Because we because, in regard to this matter, we arc giving time to them to fix a day, that have been treated to a very delictable does not mean that we shall leave it again process. A long time ago, the Govern- to be postponed to some other session. ment accorded its support to the principles With this appeal, with this suggestion, I of the Bill and it was on the initiative have no objection if this amendment of of the Law Minister that the Bill was Mr. Madhu Limaye is adopted. referred to the Joint Committee and that Joint Committee, under your distinguished SHRI P. RAMAMURTl (Madurai): leadership, went into the matter whichever I do not want to go into the historical way it could. After all, this matter has parallels of the Parliaments of other been hanging fire. I have been noticinll countries. Afrer all, we in this House that in the country, particularly, from need not go into the parallels of other certain quarters, a campaign against the countries for everything. We have got to principles of this Bill has been conducted conduct the business of Parliament on and whatever smacks, even remotely, of the basis of our convenience. This Bill dilatoriness is somethins which I am not is an important Bill. Everybody agrees ready to stomach. that it is an important Bill which raises a certain fundamental question about the I want to put this Government a amendment of the Constitution, about question in a very straight-forward way. the power of Parliament to amend They should come forward, in view of Constitution. their attitude which they have proclaimed unless they have chansed it altogether Quite apart from other thing that other out of deference to the' friends of Bills are being blocked, this kind of the Swatantra Party in particular- piecemeal discussion once every fortnight if they have done so, let them say robs the discussion of futility of it. The so, let them not take shelter behind people cannot follow what somebody has this kind of dilatory tactics-in the said earlier. Therefore, even to do course of this session, as quick as ever, to justice to the importance of the Bill, there fix some time for the discussion of the must be continuous discussion. That is Bill and the conclusions of this matter. why I say that the Government also must I cannot understand if after more than a see to it that the Bill is given the impor- year, we cannot make up our mind about tance that it is due and the people also it. I know some of our friends are are made aware of what is the type of brinlling all sorts of ~tion and calling discussion that is going on in the Parlia- the other parties nonsensical and ment so that they can intelligently follow monarchical-inclined and the rest of it. it. After all, the Parliament functions But it really beats me that after so much before the entire people and, on such an discussion, we cannot make up our mind. 283 P.M.B. Comm. Report FEBRUARY 21,1969 P.M.B. Comm. Report 284

J am not going to accept without demur I am prepared to support Mr. Madhu the idea of a dilatory postponement of Limaye's motion in this sense that this matter so that it can really be reference to the Select Committee is not indefinitely postponed. That is what I going to be hampered because of Mr. fear might be the game behind the Madhu Limaye's motion. Mr. Madhu whisperings that J happen to hear these Limaye and all the members of this days. I want to have a ca tegorical House have the legitimate right to say assurance in regard to that. that our precious time is lost, the little time that we get every alternate Friday for moving Bills is lost. Certainly, this .n '"! ~ it ~

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: We are tion. The point is very simple. If you not supposed to go into the merits postpone it, we have no objection, but now ... (lnterruptlons) In passing, he has do not postpone it eternally. Let mentioned. Government say they are going to give time to this during this session and before SHRI FRANK ANTHONY I am we disperse in May, we will be conside- not going into the merits. ring this Bill. That is all we want. Let the Law Minister or someone else SHRI MADHU LIMA YE Let him representing Government say so here. speak on the motion. THE MINISTER OF LAW AND SHRI FRANK ANTHONY : It is SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI GOYINDA very necessary for the matter to be MENON): Shri Madhu Limaye has asked remitted to a Joint Select Committee for having this debate on a day other because ... than a non·official day. There is a good deal of strength in his argument, because MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: We are all non-official business was being blocked just now considering Mr. Limaye's on account of the discussion of this Bill. amendment regarding fixation of time. But while speaking about it, certain asper- sions were made on Government. SHRI FRANK ANTHONY: It is a piece of surplus, a waste of time. Let SHRI MADHU LIMA YE : Who made us vote on the question of reference to them? Select Committee. SHRI GOYINDA MENON: Certain SHRI BALRAJ MADHOK (South members, not he. I want to say that Delhi): The suggestion of Shri S. N. Government stick to what I said on its Dwivedy is reasonable and I think this behalf earlier during the debate on this should be acceptable to everyone. Bill, that Parliament should have the power to amend the Constitution including SHRI TENNETI V1SWANATHAM Part III thereof. (Yisakhapatnam): The amendment contains a very reasonable request. But SHRI S. KANDAPPAN: Do not go unfortunately, it has been complicated into the merits. by certain suggestions made here and there without knowing eKactly what SHRI GOYINDA MENON; Because Government are going to do. We know this was raised by others. Government's intentions not from their mouth directly here on the floor of the SHRI MADHU LIMA YE : I did not House, but through newspapers which raise it. have been giving in the last one or two weeks reports containing all kinds of SHRI GOYINDA MENON: He did speculations about their intentions not; others did. What Government would concerning this Bill. like to __and we would be moving a motion-is that in the light of several Therefore, if you do not complicate things which have happened for example, Shri Madhu Limaye's amendment but there was this Judgment of the Supreme simply accept it, as Shri Dwivedy has Court referred to Shri Anthony ... said, and get an assurance from them that two days or three days or six hours or seven hours will be allotted to SHRI FRANK ANTHONY Two this from government time, we will be Judgments. quite satisfied. SHRI GOVINDA MENON: and the ... I do not wish to go into the fallacies Report of the Joint Committee itself is of the other arguments raised as I do materially different from the Bill intro- not myself want to add to the complica- duced originally by Shri Nath Pai ... 287 P.M.B. Comm. Report FEBRUARY 21,1969 P.M.B. Comm. Report 288

SHRI P. RAMAMURTI: Why not? SHRI GOVINDA MENON: That The Joint Committee has got that power. impression is wrong. (Interruptions) All that I say is that Government without SHRI GOVINDA MENON: It has departing from the principle which were the power. But with some portions of it. stated earlier that Parliament should have Government are not in agreement. For all constituent power, wants to have a second these reasons and keeping in view the look. principle that the right to amend should be available to Government ... SHRI TENNETI VISWANATHAM: On a point of order. SHRI S. M. KRISHNA (Mandya): Parliamant, not Government. MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER: What we are debating just how is not the Govern- MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER : He meant ment's intention to move a motion; that Parliament. was only incidentally referred to. The main point before the House is the SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra): It amendment moved by Mr. Limaye and was the supremacy of Parliament then; it is on that amendment that I should now it is the supremacy of Government; like to hear you. later it is goin8 to be the Law Minister's supremacy. SHRI TENNETI VISWANATHAM : You have explained my point of order. SHRI GOVINDA MENON: Do not get excited over certain slips of the SHRI GOVINDA MENON: I referred tongue. to other Ihings because olher things came up during the discussion. I said that SHRI PILOO MODY : You want to there was a good deal of weight in what have complete control over our lives and Mr. Limaye said here. But Government you say we should not be excited ? also has ils own difficulties because the time al the disposal of the Government SHRI GOVINDA MENON: Do not is short and the agenda is very heavy. get excited. What I meant was that Therefore, an unconditional assurance that Government stand by the posilion that Government should find time for this Bill Parliament should have the constituent also from out of its own allotted time is power to amend the Constitution, all parts very difficult to give. The motion made of it. by Mr. Limaye is thaI the Speaker in consultation with the Leader of the House SHRI PILOO MODY: If he says may consider the point raised by him ... 'Parliament', it is an eye-wash. (lnterruptions.)

SHRI GOVINDA MENON: Govern- MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: It will be ment would like \0 see that Parliament obligatory for the Government to find ceases to be an eye-wash, and irrespective time if it accepted that motion. of party considerations, there should be a second look at the nature of the Bill SHRI GOVINDA MENON: Not in the context of the various factors to necessarily out of the Government time. which I referred. That is the position of Government. SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY (Kendrapara): The motion is very . I regret very much that some suagestion clear that time will be allotted by the was made by others that we are vacilla- Speaker in consultation with the Leader ting over the matter. We are not. But we of the House. The objection that the have our own views. Government have is that they could not provide any time out of their own. I AN HON. MEMBER: That is the have a propoSal to make. We are sitting impression. till the 16 May and it is this House that 289 P.M.B. Comm. Report PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Sa/ca) P.M.B. Comm. Report ~

[Shri Surendranath Dwivcciy 1 SHRI NATH PAl rose- will have ultimately to decide how long it should sit. We may decide here and MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: We shall now that we shall sit till the 18th of May conclude it now, Mr. Nath Pai. and that extended two days will be pro- vided for the discussion on this Bill. (Interruption) We are acceptina this Let us decide on that now. amendment. That is all; as modified by this observation because it is left to the SHRI GOVINDA MENON: I want Speaker ultimately. to make the Government position very clear so that it may not be alleged later SHRI THIRUMALA RAO (Kakinada): on that Government resiled from any What are the amendments? The wordina is assurances given here. Even for the not clear. transaction of Government business time is very insufficient. Therefore, an addi- MR. DEPUTY· SPEAKER : I will read tional day may have to be found. It need out. I presume that you have read the not necessarily be 17 or 18 May. A Satur- recommendation of the Committee. day in between may be found for this purpose. SOME HON. MEMBERS: No.

SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The motion (Nandyal) : It should be referred to the is : Business Advisory Committee. "That this House do 8llree with the MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: It will Forty-third Report of the Committee ultimately go to the Business Advisory on Private Members' Bills and Reso- Committee. What the hon. Minister lutions presented to the House on says will also be kept in mind. the 20th February, 1968." But it is not part of the motion. So, The Amendment is "add at the end you accept the motion. "with the modification that further debate on the Constitution (Amend- 16 Hrs. ment) Bill, 1967 by Shri Nath Pal, SHRI MADHU LIMA YE: Why this as reported by Joint Commillee, be higgling and haggling? adjourned and the Bill be taken up on a day or days allotted for the THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER transaction of Government Business OF ATOMIC ENERGY AND MINIS- as the Speaker may, in consultation TER OF PLANNING (SHRIMATl with the Leader of the House, INDIRA GANDHI): There should decide. not be any higglinll. This should be made clear, afterwards if the The House further resolves that If House says or the other party says we do any Rules need to be suspended to not want to sit on a Saturday or we do enable resumption of the discussion not want an extra day, we do not want on the aforesaid Bill, the House to get involved in it. shall proceed to do &0 before such resumption ... MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: So, this motion we can accept, as amended? (In- SHRI GOVINDA MENON: We qree terruption ) Do we accept the report ? to this, with the reservation that a non- official day may be fixed, on a Saturday, SHRI GOVINDA MENON: With the when this may be set as the business for reservation made by us. the day. (Interruptlo,,)

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I will put MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Do tho the amendment to the vote of the House. Members qree ? 291 P.M. B. Comm. Report FBBRUAR Y 21, 1969 Bills Introduced 292

SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY: SHRI MADHU LIMA YE: It is out That, the Leader of the House and the of order. Speaker have to decide. We have no- thing to say. SHR) P. VENKATASUBBAIAH : With the clarification made by the Government, MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: With this (Interruption) reservation they agree. Is that all right, or, is there any other resolution? MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I will put the motion to the vote; that is, the amend- SHRI GOVINDA MENON: On a ment of Shri Madhu Limaye. The Saturday we will accept. question is :

SHRI P. RAMAMURTl: Have the That in the motion, odd at the end- Government lost all confidence that this "with the modification that further request will not be considered by the debate on the Constitution (Amend- Speaker? Why is there so much higaling? ment) Bill, 1967, by Shri Nath Pai, as reported by Joint Committee, be MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: It is not adjourned and the Bill be taken up that. It is a question of the pressure on on a day or days allotted for the time. I will take it that with this assura- transaction of Government Business nce, and reservation, ...... as the Speaker may, in consultation with the leader of the House, decide. ~ ~r~ ~, The House further resolves that if '" "1 any Rules need to be suspended to ~ ~... ~ ~ ~ q:;;rif t it enable resumption of the discus- ~ fTlIT ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ fif'llT I sion on the aforesaid Bill, the House shall proceed to do so before such AN HON. MEMBER: What is the assurance ? resumption." (I) The Motion was adopted. SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY: There is no reservation. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I shall now put the motion as amended : SHRI NATH PAl (Rajapur): There should be a categorical assurance. "That this House do agree with the SHRI GOVINDA MENON: I want Forty-third Report of the Committee to bring my motion. (Interruption) on Private Members' Bills and Resolutions presented to the House MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Your motion on the 20th February, 1968, as will come after the adoption of the report. amended." Your motion is independent. When we take the Bill, that will come. Now, we are The motion was adopted. on the adoption of the report, and for 16.05 brs. that, there is an amendment. INDIAN PENAL CODE SHRI THIRUMALA RAO : We want (AMENDMENT) BILL· to know on what we are voting. Is there (/nseetion of new section III B) a proposal to send the Bill to the Select Committee or not? SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA (Delhi Sadar): I beg to move for leave SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH: ) to introduce a Bill further to amend the want to move an amendment to Shri Indian Penal Code, 1860. Madhu Limaye's amendment, namely, that this matter be referred to the Business MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The ques- Advisor" Committee ... (Interruption) tion is : .Published in Gazette of India Extraordinary. Part 11, Section 2, dated 21-2-69. 293 Bills Introduced PHALGUNA 2. 1890 (Saka) Bills Introduced 294

[Mr. Deputy-Speaker) INCOME-TAX (AMENDMENT) BILL· "That leave be lI'anted to introduce (Amendment of section 80 C) a Bill further to amend the Indian Penal Code. 1860." SHRI S. S. KOTHARI (Mandsaur): I beg to move for leave to introduce a Bill The motion was adopttti. further to amend the Income-tax Act. 1961. SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The ques- introduce the Bill. tion is :

"That leave be lI'anted to introduce a Bill further amend to Income-tax CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) Act. 1961." BILL· (Substitution 01 Section 43) The motion was adopttti.

SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA SHRI S. S. KOTHARI: I introduce (Delhi Sadar): I beg to move for leave the Bill. to introduce a Bill further to amend the Constitution of India. PUBLIC UNDERTAKINGS (COMPUL- SORY APPROVAL OF AGREEMENTS) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The ques- BILL· tion is : SHRI S. S. KOTHARI: (Mand- "That leave be granted to introduce saur): I beg to move for leave to a Bill further to amend the Constitu- introduce a Bill to provide for compulsory tion of India." scrutiny and approval by a Central Authority of alJ'OCmeDts entered into by Tire motion was adopted. public undertakings and matters connected therewith or incidental tbereto. SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: introduce the Bill. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The ques- tion Is : CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) BILL· "That leave be Branted to introduce a Bill to provide for compulsory (Amendment of artie/es 75 and 164) scrutiny and approval by a Central Authority of all'eements entered SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA into by public undertakings and (Delhi Sadar) : I beg to move for leave matte rs connected therewith or inci- to introduce a Bill further to amend the dental thereto." Constitution of India. The motion was adopted. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The ques- tion is: SHRI S. S. KOTHARI: I Introduce the Bill. "That leave be granted to introduce a BiJJ further to amend t he Consti- tution of India. GOLD (CONTROL) AMENDMENT BILL· The motion was adopttti. (Amendment of sec/Ions 16. 27. etc.)

SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY introduce the Bill. (Coach-Behar) : I beg to move for leave ·Published in Gazetle of India Extl'llOrdlnary. ParI n. Section 2 • dated 21-2-69. 295 Bills Int roduced FEBRUARY 21,1969 Bills Introduced 2% to introduce a Bill to amend the Gold The mol/on was adopted. (Control) Act, 1968.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The !lues- tion is :

"That leave be granted to introduce a Bill to amend the Gold (Control) Act, 1968." CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) BILL" (Amendment of article 240 and First The motion was adopted. Schedule)

SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY: SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY introduce the Bill. (Cooch-Behar) : beg to move for leave to introdnce a Bill further to amend CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) BILL· the Constitution of India. (Amendmrnt of articles 32 and 226) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The ques- SHRI TENNETI VISWANATHAM tion is: (Visakhapatnam): I beg to move for leave to introduce a Bill further to amend "That leave be granted to introduce the Constitution of India. a Bill further to amend the Consti- tution of India." MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The ques- tion is : The motion was adopted,

"That leave be granted to introduce SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHUR Y: I a Bill further to amend the Consti- introduce the Bill. tution of India."

The motion was adopted. FOOD CORPORATIONS (AMEND- SHRI TENNETI VISWANATHAM: I MENT) BILL· introduce the Bill. (Substitution of section 34)

CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) BILL· SHRI C. C. DESAI (Sabarkantha) (Amendment of Eighth Schedule) beg to move for leave to introduce a Bill further to amend the Food Corpo- ~~~ ~ an~~ rations Act, 1964. l~l, ft ~ ~~i' ~ fir; 'lm:Cf ~ MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The ques- ~ i\' arri'r ~ ~~ mr tion is : ~ ~ ~ ~.~i ~ ~ ~ ~ "That leave be granted to introduce a Bill further to amend the Food Corporations Act 1964." MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The ques- tion is: The motion was adopted. "That leave be granted to introduce a Bill further to amend the Consti- SHRI C. C. DESAI: I introduce the tution of India." Bill.

·Published in Gazette of India extraordinary, Part n, Section 2, dated 21-2-69. 297 Bills Inlroduced PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Sakal Conslitulion (Amdl.) Bill 298

CENTRAL UNIVERSITIES (STUDENTS ~, 1951 if ani\' ~ ~it PARTICIP ....TION) BILL· mr ~ l!iT iro rn ltit ~i.'' ~t -.1 ~ ~ (1(it<:): it Sffifllf ;;nit I ~ ~ A> cr~ t *' ~ rn MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER : The ques· CfI!lT ~ ~orll iii ~ if tion is : ~'~

The mol ion was adopted. ADOPTION OF RELIGION BILL" -n ~ ~ ltroft ~ it ~ ~ ~ flfi' ~ Olfflffl' rnr ~~ ~ ~ 'i\ 3ftfit lilt ;t\' ,"lf1IlT UNIVERSITY GRANTS COMMISSION li~ ~it ~i' If>"t (AMENDMENT) BILL· m (lllsertion o/new section 12A, etc.) iro rn ;tT ~~' ~ ;;nit I

,,1 ~ ~ ('tit<:): ~ MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER : The que· it stion is: ~ ~ A> i~ ~ arr~ arftWnl+r, 1956 if ~ rn .mr "That leave be granted to introduce a Bill to provide for declaration of ~ lIiT iro ~it '1ft ~ ~ ;;nit I religion by a person on alia in ina m.yority" . MR. DEPUTY ·SPEAKER : The ques. tion is : The motion was adopted. "That leave be granted to introduce a Bill to amend the University n~ ~ it ~.' Grants Commission Act, 1959" ~r~~

The molion was adopled. 16.09 hR. CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) BILL" (Atnlndmelll of arlle/es 80 and 171)

SHRI C. C. DESAI (Sabarkantha): REPRESENTATION OF THE PEOPLE Sir, I bea to move : (AMENDMENT) BILL" "ThaI the Bill further to amend the (A",.,ndmelll of s,clion 61) Constitution of India be taken into consideration ... .~ ~ ltroft ~ it 5ffiIT' l~ . Tai, is a simple Bill. It relales to the

·Published in Gazelle of India Extraordinary, Part II, Section 2, dated 21-2-69. 299 Constitution (Arndt.) Bill FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Constitution (Amelt.) Bill 300 power of nomination both to the Rajya- be accommodated. This intention of Sabha and to the Vidhan Parishads. Government found mention in the news- Under article 80, the President is em- papers and cannot be denied or challenaed. powered to nominate 12 persons to the In other words, the power of presidential Rajya Sabha. nomination was the subject matter of political trafficking on the part of Govern- There is a similar provision for nomi- ment, on the part of the Prime Minister, nation on the Vidhan Parishads in those because it is on the advice of the Prime States where bicameral legislatures are in Minister that apparently the President force. makes his nomination.

I have gone throu.h the proceedings Once again, going through the proceed- of the Constituent Assembly in 1948 to see ings of 1948 I find that nobody then had for myself what were the objects behind the slightest hunch or idea that power this particular provision, what was contem- could not be exercised by the President plated, what expectations were raised and as mentioned in the debate in his absolute what was intended 'to be done. The discretion. proceedings indicate that even thin there were miSlivinp on tho part of Members But we all know how the presidential of the Constituent Assembly that this nomination has been reduced from abso- power may be abused or misused and the lute discretion on the part of the President President may come into contempt because to merely saying ditto to what the Prime on the advice of the Council of Ministers he can appoint or nominate persons who Minister says or rubber-stamping the decree of the Prime Minister. They have may not be suitable and there may be said that the President can do nothing cases of impeachment of the President in his discretion, or even absolute discre- because of wron. exercise of power. This tion, and whatever he does he must be on is what you find in the proceedings of the the aid and advice of the Council of Minis- Constituent Assembly. ters, which means in this particular case the Prime Minister. In other words, what It was also felt that the exercise of was intended to be a means of getting this power would lead to charges of talented persons in Parliament, people favouritism and would lead to bickerinp. who may not be expected because of their We have had this provision in force for ase or other disabilities to go through twenty years. We have seen the workin. the strains and trouble of contesting an of this provision. If I were to take election, if it is felt, if it is found that you, Sir, throu.h the gamut of their advice is necessary, is desirable for nomination both to the Rajya Sabha and the wiser counsel of government, then Vidhan Parishads it will relate a sorry there should be a provision for inductins tale. Take only the case of 1968. There such persons into Parliament through the were biennial elections to Rajya Sabha process of nomination. This particular followed subsequently by certain nomi- provision has been abused, it does not nations. Hon. Members would remember serve that purpose and it is now being that in Uttar Pradesh the Uttar Pradesh used for political purposes. Congress Committee or the ConFess bosses wanted that one of the candidates for elections should be a certain sentJeman, I do not want to pick out names a sittins Member in the Rajya Sabha. because that would be invidious, that His name was apparently not approved would be somewhat uncharitable and by the Party Bosses. But pressure came embamssina: but if you go through from top here and ultimately he every nomination, there may be a stray was accommodated with this under- nomination here or a nomination there standina that when the President COIMI to which fits in with this provision, which nominate twelve Members, or four Mem- says that the presidential nomination shall bers in this case, to the Rajya Sabha, one be used for purposes of inducting into of these persons who were dropped would Parliament people who have special 301 Conslilulion (Arndl.) Bill PHALGUNA 2. 1890 ~a Conslilulioll (Arndl.) Bill 302

[Shri C. C. Desai] symmetry of elections was marred, was knowledge or practical experience of spoiled by the introduction of the principle literature, art, scfence and social services. of nomination. Be that as it may. we can give the benetit of lood intentions I can give you examples to show that to the members of the Constituent many of these people who have been Assembly at tbat time. But, since then. nominated to Rajya Sabha have no special twenty years have passed and we have knowledge, or no personal experience. seen how the power of nomination has or special aptitude for any of these four been exercised, how it has been abused subjects except that anybody who reads and how it is capable of beiDJ abused, literature can be said to be interested in, particularly in the States. or having special knowledge of, literature and that way alone he can qualify for We have now a s~t where different presidential nomination. parties are in power in different States and at the Centre. Some This power of nomination applies not of these parties are highly politically only to the Centre but also to the States. motivated. They have no principles; When we look at the way in which this their only principle is how to improve power is exercised by the States, we find their strength and how to increase their it is even worse. We have the classic power. It does not matter to them whether example in Bihar. Only in 1967, when the nomination is based on principle, is a particular gentleman who happened to qualified and is within the four corners be at that moment a Member of Parlia- of the intentions of the framers of the ment, who was the leader of a particular Constitution. What they want is how group which cai~ majority in the to get further accretion to their power, Bihar Legislature, when he wanted to be position and strength in Legislature. This the chief Minister, as he was a Member of is what is now the luiding factor and the Parliament and not a Member of the guiding principle of nomination. That State Legislature, he could not be is why I say, let us depend wholly and elected leader of the state Legislature solely on elections; whichever party is party and he could not be made chosen by the electorate, the people, must the Chief Minister of the State. have the right to lovern and must be So, what did he do? They put up a conceded the right to govern. Let that nominal leader for leadership. That right to govern not be based partly on the leader was sent for by the Governor and elective principle and partly on the nomi- made the Chief Minister. The tirst and native principle. Let the elective principle only act of that Chief Minister was not be diluted by these nominations which to recommend to the Governor the apoint- are undemocratic to begin with and which ment of the particular individual as a are perverse in practice as we know in all member of the Vidhan Parishad. He these cases. was nominated 10 the Vidhan Parishad. Then the Chief Minister obligingly My hon. friend, Shri Lokenath Misra resigned and the new nominated member was a member of the Constituent Assem- of the Vidhan Parishad was elected the bly. He had a different angle on these leader of the State Legislature Party and nominations. He said, let us have nomina- he was sworn in as Chief Minister. This tions for the purpose of reftectiDJ the glory is what is happening in the matter of of the past, for resuscitating the traditions nominations todAY not only at the of ancient India. It is this gentleman who Centre but also in the States. has been nominated only in 1968.

[MR. SPEAKER in Ihe chair] SHRI P. K. DEO (Kalahandi): He is another Lokenath Misra. Why do we want nomination? Even in 1948 there were objections to the SHRI C. C. DESAI: I am sorry. Any- introduction of the principal of nomination way, one Lokenath Misra IBid that. in a system which was based on the What I want to say is that even that noble elective principle. As they said, the and high thought, that we should have 303 Constitution (Amit.) Bill FEBRUAR Y 21, 1969 Constitution (Amit.) Bill 304

some people in Rajya Sabha so as to 16.25 brs. reftect the glory of the past or the ancient traditions of India, has not been fulfilled WITHDRAWAL BY MEMBER OF because not one of these people, who are CERTAIN REMARKS· MADE BY HIM sitting in the other House and who have DURING QUES1:ION HOUR been nominated, can qualify under that principle. They do not qualify under the MR. SPEAKER: Before we proceed principle of literature, art, science or further, I would like to mention about the social service; they merely qualify under morning incident. I have gone through the principle of patronaae of the Congress the morning's proceedinllS and, as Mr. Government. That is the principle on Madhok has also gone through it, he may which these nominations have been made. say a few words. I find Mr. Ebrahim What they do today the other parties will Sulaiman Sait is not here. But that does do in the States tomorrow. So, do not not malter. think that by accepting this Amendment Bill you are deprivinll yourself of some SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK (South power for all time to come. If we think Delhi): Sir, I have gone through the that this is a wrong. principle, let us all transcript of the morning's proceedings. get tosether and say that now after 20 I thought I had made a general kind of years of experience we are in a position to remark. But I find there is a particular say that this particular power of nomina- remark. I do not want to call any Mem- tion should be abolished. ber of Parliament as a traitor. Therefore, I withdraw that remark. The clause that is to be deleted, in so far as Rajya Sabha is concerned, is clause 16.26 brs. (3) which says:- CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) Blll- "The members to be nominated by COn/d. the President under sub-clause (a) of clause (I) shall consist of persons (Amendment of artie/es 80 and 171) having special knowledlle or practical ellperience in respect of such mettles SHRI S. KANDAPPAN (Metlur): Mr. as the followinll, namely:- Speaker, Sir, my hon. friend, Mr. C. C. Literature, science, art and social Desai's Bill is very important in the sense service." that this particular provision of the consti- tution is very much abused. But still I Similarly. for the States clause (5) am not loinl to totally support the Bill. should be omitted from article 171. In There are certain facts to which Mr. Desai other words, there should be no provision himself has drawn attention, namely, there for nomination. Th;s is a simple Bill are certain sections which need to be which I have broullht forward and which, represented and which may not be in a I hope, will commend itself to the Govern- poSition to manoeuvre sufficient votes to ment and to the other Members of the let either into the Council or in the Rajya House. All I am seekinll is to honour Sabha. For example, there is an Anllo- and abide by the elective principle which Indian community which finds a place, by should be acceptable to everyone and let way of nomination, in my State in the there be no need now to dilute that Madras Assembly. It would be difficult elective principle by nomination. for them to set representation in the Assembly without that kind of a provision. I commend the Bill to the House for acceptance. SHRI C. C. DESAI: That is a different Mr. Speaker: Motion moves : provision for nominations to the Assembly. "That the Bill further to amend the That is not being touched. Constitution of India, be taken into consideration.' I SHRI S. KANDAPPAN: In the Rajya

·Please ICC col. 19. lOS Constitution (Amdt.) Bill PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) Constitution (Amdt.) Bill 306

[Shri S. Kanda ppan1 elusion, I would like to say that the Sabha also, as iar as the real purpose of Government should take every precaution the provision is concerned, I would very and have a rc-thinking on the whole issue much like to sec if it could be improved to make it a sort of foolproof and to see upon and if it could be made binding on that the intention of the Constitution the part of the Government without being makers is really served by nominating abused or misused. Then, it would be persons to the Rajya Sabha or to the much better and even my hon. friend, Mr. Councils in the States. C. C. Desai, will not object to that. Unfortunately, as things stand today, the stipulations that have been made in 16-30 Hours the Constitution are just there only in black and white. But the real nomina- WITHDRAWAL OF NOTICE OF tions are discredited or disgruntled politi- PRIVILEGE MOTION cians in the ruling party who have lot to SHRI UMANATH (Pudukk- be accommodated and given a chance oltai ): I want to make a submission. there. There is another very important In the morning, after that incident, I gave factor to which I would, particularly, like notice of a privileae motion against Shri to draw attention with reference to the Bal Raj Madhok for having uttered those Bill that we are presently discussinll. Even remarks. I was so much pained that I had in panchayats and district councils, we to give. Now that I have found that Shri have given this power of nomination which Bal Raj Madhok has withdrawn it uncon- enables sometimes panchayats or panchayat ditionally. I withdraw my privilClle molion unions to carryon administration properly. also. But, here, in the strange political circums- tances in our country, there is one thinll we have to ponder very seriously, that is, 16.301 hrs. there arc certain States, there 'are certain Assemblies, where the difference in the CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) strength of the ruling party and the BILL-Contd. Opposition party is so narrow that if with this power the Government tries to cir- (Amendment of Articles 80 and 171) cumvent and bring in their own men so that they may get a majority of one or '1'l' ~,, ~ ~~ two votes, that would be a great blow to orSlfeT ~, ;;IT ~ ...'l' mf ;J the democracy itself and to the party system as such. So, there it assumes ~ iF ~it ~~ ~ ~ti l!i1tfiT If{U very serious proportions. In that light, ar.r ~ ~' ~ IflffllI; ~ 80 it I think, the Government should seriously l~~~ ~ ~ think about it. I am sure they are not 1flT going to right away accept this Bill. But W1ft fTf v:ft' ''~li ~ ~ 'IT f.l; still if Mr. Desai's Bill helps the Govern- ~ it !9 ~ ~ '~ iroQ' ~ ment to have a re-thinking on this whole mIT issue of nominations, whether it is to the ~ ~ 'il~', ~ ~~tt~ l!i1' Rajya Sabha or to the Councils or the <'fT'I:r W ~ lIilorR ~ IIil ~ Assemblies, I am sure, that will help to ~~~~~ ~i put our democracy on a healthy footing. ;;ft ~ ~ ~i ~ ~ ~ ~~, ~.t One thins more I must say and that is the whole idea of nominations is very ;;IT ~ ~ ~ or~ ~ ;rtf 3fT repugnant to the spirit of democracy. ~~~l~~ 3TAT ~ There, of course, we cannot object to that which is almost a legacy of the British ~, W ifiroI\' ~ ~ ~ it period. But my only feeling is that, as ~ ~ ITllT f.l; Of) ~.~~, ~' things stand today in our country, we have got to accommodate certain people; cannot ~ ~ lIT r.r~~ ~ ''~ '1ft ~ escape that for the near future. In con- ~ ~ ~ mror ~ it lIT 307 Constitution (Amdt.) Bill FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Constitution (Arndt.) Bill 308

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~ fir<; ;r fri ~ 3f\ir ~ ~ In 1952, the Congress suffered a reverse ...~~ii'r~ ~~~ in the composite Madras State. In a House of 375, the Congress got only 156 seats. iI' ~ ~t ~ lfiW ~ I arl'R: Mr. Kamaraj, President of the TNCC ~~~'i~i',~ ~ could not manage the affairs. Then it was ~ ~~~ ~ decided that Mr. Rajagopalachari should iI'!f>roR give succour to the Congress Party. He ~~~~~ ~~ had retired after being Home Minister at ~~~ ~ it ~lii'l the Centre. The Congress Party passed a unanimous resolution that Mr. Rajagopala- ~~~~~ ~~~ chari should lead the Congress Party. ~~ ~ armT ~ <:m.rr ~ ift;m: ~ He would not face an Assembly election. ~ ~ arn~ ~ iR So, under this provision they got him am: 'liT nominated by the Governor. He was m ~, ~ ~ iI' ;r f<:rif ~ll I nominated not for the purpose of serving the interests of science or art or literature, It • fIIi ~nl' ~~ fIIi ~~ ~ but to suit the Congress Party, which had been orphaned. As a matter of fact, I went 'liT l~ ~ ~, ~i~ ~ ~ to the High Court with a petition for a ~ am: arl'R: lfTfim ;r@ ~ ~, m~'i writ of quo warranto when he was asked to form a ministry. I argued the case t~lli~ ~i~ ~~ myself. The Chief Justice could 1I0t 'liTf 001;1' ~ ;r@ amiT ~ I answer that, but ultimately he asked me, "What you say may be true. But how SHRI P. RAMAMURTI (Madurai): are affected personally? Unless you can Sir, despite the fact that this Bill has been show that your personal interests are brought by a Swatantra member, I want to affected, we will not give a judgment in lend my fult support to it. My friend, Mr. your favour". I told him, if Mr. Raja- Randhir Singh, argued that power is given gopalachari is not there, I may become to nominate only people who are well-versed Chief Minister. What else can I say? I told in art, science, literature, etc, He says, them that they have to uphold the Consti- some leading lishts in these various tution and all that, but nothing mattered. avocations of life will be an adornment of the House. But Parliament represents the THE MINISTER OF LAW AND people of the country. A person may be a SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI GOVINDA very good scientist, but when the Law MENON): That was only one of the Minister brings forward a Bill concerning questions. the functioning of certain departments, it is not necessary that a person well-versed SHRI P. RAMAMURTI: What I am in science or engineering will understand pointing out 's, here is a person nominated the problems of life. Unfortunately, in not on the advice of any Chief Minister, India politics has been divorced from art, because at that time there was no Chief science and literature. A great poet need Minister and if the previous Chief not necessarily be a social or political Minister of the Carc-taker Government administrator. It is true some very had advised him that Government had no eminent people in these walks of life have business to do SO and ad vise him on a been appointed, but ultimately who is the specific question like this. Therefore, person to decide whether a particular Shri Rajagopalachari in 1952 was nominll- 317 Constitution (Arndt.) Bill PHALGUNA 2, 1890 Constitution (Arndt.) Bill 318

[Shri P. Ramamurti] provision-l am not concerned with that- ted by the Governor for the specific it has been misused by the Congress. purpose of taking the Congress Party Why should there be this provision for out of the difficulties In which it found nomination ? If there are people who itself when it found itself an orphan with take interest in public affairs, apart from regard to leadership. literature, who could mould public opinion, I dare say in this country people would What happened in Kerala in 1957 ? get elected. Similarly, artists who take I am only citing instances to show how interest in public life, if they stand for this power is being misused. In a House election I dare say they would be elected. of 127 we got 65 scats and the Congress For example, Shri M. G. Ramachandran, Party and others put together could get who is not only an actor but who also only 62 scats. Then before even the new takes wide interest in public affairs, when Ministry was sworn in the Governor he stood for election was returned with a immediately exercised his power to nomi- thumping majority even when he was in nate two members from the Anglo-Indian the hospital. Therefore, it is degrading community and those two members were for those people to give them a gift. precisely those who would support the They may not represent the people of this Congress Party. They appointed those country but the Governor or the two people just for the purpose of seeing President may exercise his power of that even the slender majority that we nomination and give them scats in the had was not there. In Madras, recently, Assembly or Rajya Sabha. That is Shri Anthony told me, when he wanted absolutely not essential. They will a member of the AnglO-Indian community bring to bear their outlook in public to be nominated he did not go to the life in whatever they write. After all, art Governor of Madras but he went to the cannot be divorced from public late Shri Annadurai. This is what life or from society. If it is proper normally happens. After all, in Madras peoples' art, it ought to have relationship nothing happens because the Congress to the social life, the conditions of social Party has been reduced to just SO scats life and the struales that are taking and one more or less does not matter. place in social life. Once the principle Therefore, our majority in Kerala was of nomination is accepted, whatever reduced to just one and every time we might be their intentions, unfortunately, had to see that all members were present there is always that lurking feeling- in the Assembly so that there may not subjectively it may not be there, but be a snap vote. My point is, to suit the unconsciously that fcelinl is there-that convenience of the Congress Party the I am beholden to the Government because Governor was asked even to throwaway after all it is the Government that has the convention that he should only on the given me the nomination, Therefore, to basis of the recommendation of the Chief expect nominated members to be comp- Minister. letely divorced from this kind of subject- ive feeling and to brinl to bear that complete and total and independent A similar thing happened in West judlment on issues that are cominl before Bengal in 1967. The moment they found the House is certainly somethinl too that the Congress Party was in a minority much to expect from them. I would with 128 scats in a House of 280 they also like to ask how many such nominated immediately got the Governor to nomi- people, except on very rare occasions nate to two members of the Anglo- have criticised the actions of the Govern- Indian community without consulting the ment? For example, Shri Frank Anthony Ministry that was going to be sworn in. has been a nominated member of this In all haste the Governor was asked to House for the last so many years. nominate two members.

This i. the way in which this Party has 17 hn. been behaving. Whatever may be the AN HON. MEMBER: He does nol intention. of the people who framed this represent Anglo-Indians. 319 Constitution (Amit.) Bill FEBRUARY 21, 1969 CUnit/tution (Arndt.) Bill 320

SHRI P. RAMAMURTI : But Govern- else, neither the President however ment say that he represents Anglo- eminent he might be nor the IIOvernment Indians I have no objection if there is an of the day to decide who should represent electoral college consisting of only Anglo- the people. This is a very good principle. Indians and if he or somebody el'IC gets I am very glad that Shri Desai has elected. Then we can say that he is a brought forward this Bill. Although I representative of Anglo-Ind ians. In the have differences with him on many absence of that, his representative char- fundamental questions, so far as this acter is accepted only by the President of legislation is concerned, I lend the full India and the Government of the day; support of my party and myself to this that is all. If tomorrow, for example, measure. on the advice of the Government of India, the President nominates somebody SHRI S. M. KRISHNA (Mandya): else in the place of Shri Frank Anthony, Mr. Deputy-Speaker, I would like to he would also say that he is the represen- support in principle the Bill that has been tative of the Anglo-Indians because the moved by Shri Desai. In a sovereign Constitution gives the President the power democratic republic the very notion of to nominate the representative of the nomination is an anathema. We have Anilio-Indians. Who can challenge it? worked the Constitution for a little less None, because there is no basis or test than two decades. In the light of our laid down by which we can judge whether experience during the last fifteen years we the nomination has been made on some can say how scrupulously we have used the principles. Except on the question of powers that have been given by articles lansuage, on which Shri Anthony feels 80 and 171 (2) of the Constitution! very bitterly, I dare say that when it comes to the question of voting of a SHRI LOBO PRABHU (Udipi): Bill or amenment of the Constitution, he Unscrupulously. will vote with the government. Likewise, SHRI S. M. KRISHNA: This is to be there are so many members in the Cong- assessed and analysed. We will have to ress Party who speak allainst their own go into tho anatomy of what has been Government but when it comes to the happening in the name of the Constitution. question of voting they always vote with the Government. Many instances have been quoted by friends who have participated in the 17.01 hrs. debate including the one when the elder statesman of our country was nominated [MR. DEPUTy-SPEAKER In t~ Chair] in the year 19S2 to head the Congress Government in Madras. Let me quote 1 dare say that, every nominated mem- another instance where the Congress ber shall have the sub-conscious feeling that President, Shri Nijalingappa, was himself he is beholden to the people who have involved. In 1962 when Shri Nijalingappa nominated him and, therefore, he cannot was defeated in the general elections, a bring to bear total independent judgment person who was 'elected to the State on issues that come before the legislature, Legislative Assembly was prevailed upon especially when he finds that his views to vacate his seat so that Shri Nijalingappa conftict with the views of the ruling could get into the Assembly. But there party. was a deal, a pact, with the member who resillned. And what was that pact 1 It We arc wedded to the elective principle was that no sooner he vacated his member- based on the sovereignty of the people. ship of the Legislative Assembly he would The sovereignty of the people is not be nominated as a member of the State based on somebody else determining as Legislative Council. He was nominated to who is the representative of the P<'Ople. in the year 1962. A month after he The sovemgnty of the people must be resigned and vacated the membership of given full weight and respect. It is for the Assembly he was elevated as an elder the people to decide who should represent to guide the destinies of the people of them in Parliament ; it is not for anybody Mysore. We presented a memorandum 321 Constilulion (Amdl.) Bill PHALOUNA 2, 1890 COlUlitulion (AIIIlit.) BfII 322

[Sbri S. M. Krishna] ~ ~ ~ m: mr, 19-20 ~ to tbe tben Rasbtrapati of our Republic ~ ~ 'i~ ~ ~ ani'~, ~ saying that the Constitution had been m fouled and defrauded. ~iit ~ 8I"AT

"' ftiOl"i(iQUi (;mIT) : ~ MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The hon. ~, it it 'i~~, Member should not mention names. It ilir-iffi mcm:r is not fair; it is not keepinll in dignity of ~it~'i~~ i ~t the House. ~arl 'liT 3llt ~ "A Government by the people, for tbe people and of the people." "' fili""i(iQUi : AA tft ~ ~ if ~ f.rI;or iii ~ i ~,~ ~ 'I<: mr t I ~, ar-. ~ ;rtf "i!rT I ~ii~~~,~ ifilJit, ~ '1ft ~ ~,l, lIiT or 'If<'I' ~ it 0l1f.t ~ ~ 'fI' 'i~ ~ ~ i

i~ fiI;it R;:rr, ~ ~ ~ ~ IJT'.T ~ ~ t 2Cift ro it am:: ~rl~~,~ ~ 1969 it; ~ it, ~ fit; m ~ it lfil ~ fi!;it R;:rr ~ ~ ~ IfiT '1TU rorr ijfT ~, ~ 'lft IIiT 1IiTt aIfim1: ~ ~ I ~ it i~ ~ 3;'1HfI ~ ijfT ~ ~ 1 it ~ ~, ~ ~ ~ w.mf\' ;:rr ~l~, ~~~~ ~, ~ 1iA' ~ I ~ ~ fit; <'11- t ~~, anio mo '!:IJ o, ~~ 3!Wft ~ ~ ~ortli ~ mil' ~, ~ o');fi ~ ~ ~, it ~ ~ ~ q<: ~ ~, ~ it; ;;fttr ~ I i~ ~ t 1 ~ m~ t flfi.rrtT 'a~,,l am: ~ ~ ~ ~ i~ rorr \IITlf 1 ~ ~ IfIOiq- ~ : ~l ~ 12 ~ tt~, ~it~ ~, ~ ~ llJ IJlflf ~ ~ IJTlf.t ~iit~ I ~ ~ it m 0Jr0 ~, 3fllf ~ ~ ~ llJif.t mcr;rr IfiT ~ i'ro fifiIfT ~, ~ m ~ t flfi ~ ~ t 1 ~ ~ 'fii qiRfTal'f ~~..ii.t~~~~ if ~ ~ ~r iff ffl fifiIfT 1 <'111fT UI'T'!f I ~ anio mo ~lo, l~ ~ ~' ~ if ~ ~ ~ ~o ~ ~, tfto '!:IJo, ~ ~ 3f'l'fT 'fU m'ffi'-m ~ ~ If,T ~ firf.:rw;f ~r miff ~ m'lf firU'Cf f.f;lrr ~ am: ~ m gt:( ~ ~ it o~ i~ i;fffiT t ~ ~ti' ~ ~ rot ~, It ~ iRt 1Jq'lli ~~i ~~,~~ il~ if ~ anit ~ I'" ~ ~ t 1 <'11-fi:rr.m:1: ~ nr ~ r~ii ~ ~ q<: ~ ~ ~ ~, ~~ am: : iRt m itani~ ~ ~'t ~ mflfi ~ at"l<: ~ aTR ~~ iia~ ~ it IJ;f ~i ~ ~ IfIOiq- : 3Il'l' m~ll~ qTif fi:m it rii 1 3l'l11: ~ ~ ~ ~~~ 1 ~~itl~ ~ f.f; ~~~~ 'lft ~ ~ 9i

~ ~ ~ flIi'IfT ~ I ~~ol' SHRI LOBO PRABHU (Udipi): This Bill deal, with a very important subject, if ~ ~ ~ ~ f.f; ~, ~, ~~ but unfortunately it has been SPI'lllli on ;:fttft ~ fri arq;ft ''t of Lords. In one way the ~a Sabha i. iffif g3lT ~r ~ I ~~ « ~ ~ a reflection of the House of Lords. It ia well known that, in spite of that House ~ iRT '~, f;rnif ~ ~ ~ beiDa hereditary, in spite of that House ~ 3lroft ~ ~ om- ~ havina nominations made to it on purely ~ «

~~~~~~~~~ The second point is that the ~a ~~~,arl'' am ~ ~ Sabha was conc:cived as a House of elders, ~ ~it ~ ~ ~~, il~ ~ collectina the wisdom of the country eft possibly throuah the C:hannel of the Statca. "IlI'fT ~ 'IT<'rif ~ f.;rtI: ~~ ~ ~ It was not meant to reflect the people very i't~ '~~~~ faithfully as thi, House doca throuah the direct elections. In such a House, no one will contend that literature, sc:icnc:c, arts ~ ~ ~ ~lli ;it mor and social sorvicca should not have a plac:c. ~, t~~ f.f; ~ ~ To say that ihcy should be cxpurpted from that House i. not lOioa to add 'I'i'f ~~ 'I'i'f ~ ~ ;ft Cf"{tO fm either to the value or weisht of that body. ~ ~ 'I1ff ~ I ~ ~~ ~ We do want literature, sc:ienc:c, arts and social services not only to be repre- WA ~ 'Z't. ~ '(ffifT ~ ~ ~ sented but to be rewarded in that House. ~ ~ ar~ gr.r ~, ~ If these areat parts of our culture are not ;it ~ 'l1if'l'm: it ~t, ~ ~ oi'tI'fT duly rcco8lliscd and rewarded, we have to consider what inc:cntive there will be ~ ~' ~ ltiT rnr \ill m I for them. To that extent, I would ft w mor ~ 3fI1f m 'R r:mt ...-w diSIgI'CC wi th my very close friend that a~~l~ ~~r we should foract nomination and live it up, because by that we will not only ~~rnl~ ~ if ~ dilute the quality of that House, but will ~ ~ ~ ~ am: (flfl'1f do dillerVice to these four IIfCIIt partl of our life. ;;ITtTT ~ ~ ~ ~~ f1riI"tJT I ~ ~~~~~~ Thirdly, 1 would like this HoulC to 327 Con.Jtitut/on (Amdt,) Bill FEBRUARY 21,1969 Constitution (Arndt.) Bill 328 consider how democracy is affected by the ledge may mean anything. Specialisation Rajya Sabha itself. It is a House which has been described as knowledge oC more has a very limited power. The Council and more about less and less and thereCore of Ministers are dependent on this House, anyboby could be described as specialist that is to say, the Government is sustained even if he is not a person of any eminence. by this House, and the power the Rajya It would have been proper to have said Sabha has is to air its views on questions 'outstanding knowledge' or some other that come before this House, and the thing which left no doubt that it is the utmost it can do is to delay proceedinlB leader in each oC these four subjects which where they ask for a joint sitting. It is would be selected. The words 'practical a limited power and to that extent, the experience' are even more ambiguous and Rajya Sabha can be used for political allow for misuse oC this section. We have abuse, for dilution of democracy. That thereCore to consider whether these words is all. could not be replaced by something which will bind the Government to select the No doubt, it is possible that these best persons. nominations can be used to reward politi· cal services, disgruntled and disappointed My good friend Mr. Ramamurti men· politicians. But that is not the only tioned about the electoral colleges. But forum available for this purpose. here again the Constitution may find it Governors can be similarly appointed; difficult to provide in detail for such an committees can likewise be appointed. election. But even electoral colleges Are we proposing to abolish those insti· themselves, as we only know too well are tutions also? I therefore think that there not free from defects. So, it requires deep may be a tendency to exaggerate the conSideration, much deeper consideration political abuse of these nominations iC it than what we can give on this occasion. is considered with reCerence to the power oC the Rajya Sabha. The second reason why these qualifi· cations had been abused is that by a Saying all this, I would not like to convenient confusion the Government have deny the existing Ceeling of disappointment confined themselves in the matter of with nominations to the Rajya Sabha. selection of persons who should have Instances have been given oC how some special knowledge in literature, science. of these nominated were trying to come in art and social services only to the class of by the back door. how some oC those politicians. That is an additional quali· nominated were totally unqualified even fication which is not written but which is in terms oC the provisions of the statute. concealed in every single selection which But we have to examine how this has they have made. If they had gone straight happened. That is a const(uctive part oC into the field of literature without think- our duty today, how it has happened that ing of a politician with some literary these nominations have failed. The next qualification, then we may have had constructi ve part of our duty is to consider representative from literature. Similarly, what suitable amendment can be made to with science. The scientist who is repre· the Constitution so that we can keep the sented in Rajya Sabha is perhaps not representation of these four subjects with· known anywhere for his eminence except out allowing such mistakes as have amona politicians. When the Duke or happened in the past. Wellington was being described as an intellectual amonll the Dukes, he said he I would like you to reCer to the exact was also a Duke among intellectuals. provisions oC art. 80 (3). This is what happens. Our scientists are only scientists because they are politicians. It says that members to be nominated So, you have 80t these two loopholes shall consist of persons having special throullh which wrong selections have been knowledge and practical experience oC made. One way to remedy them would art, literature, etc. Our founding fathers be to amend the Constitution. Another did not realise that this was a very loose may be a resolution which is accepted by statement of qualification. Special know· the Government here that the selection 329 Constitution (Amdt,) Bill PHALGUNA 2; 1890 Constitution (Amdt,) Bill 330

[Shri Lobo Prabhu] ~ .-ra' t fit; f'J ."q'f ~ armr if should be made in this or that way, If the Government could not give an assurance ...m ~, ~~~ ~ttrr ~ I on this, perhaps we have no alterDative am m ii1!" ~ q: ~ fit; ~ arf.t except to think of completely abolishina ~~~lil~ ~r this particular provision, The Govern- ment may take time to study but I hope .,.ty t ~ ~ ~ ~ fW't ~ IIiT the law Minister will here and now give arm- f.foilf .,.ty ~ I ar~ f.foilf an assurance on the lines uked for so that the genuine apprehensions of the it; f<'!it 3fl'CfIIiT ~ arr'11 ~ people that the selections made under the t I ~ ir~ 1IiT, ~ 1IiT, existing provisions had been unsatisfactory, il~~'lli, it; flritql may be set at rest. If they can give that am mrr- assurance now, they can give some scheme 't arm" 0fT1I' <=f!rr I at'f['( ~ If'lIlm: IIiT 0fT1I' ~ ~ m f.:NIf IIiT ~ ~ "Illf f<;rI:rr "Illf ~ tt \fo ii.,i(4\«lij ~lo III ~ ;r(t t I ~ t" Q tt ~ IIiT OfT1I'"tllT : ~ a"(qi ar4t '1ft ~ Q'IIT flti q: f.:NIf am- ~ ~ ~ ~ llm3Il it; ~~~ ~ ~ t am: ~ '~ I am artr'( ~ 'Tit ~ I ar4t t~t ~ il''tat~~a ~o 'i't'~ '1ft t I ¢<'!it ~ ~ it; IIiT IlfIIi'T m IIiT ~ am: ~ ~~~ ~ ~~~t, ar4t ~ '1'ty t. «'t 'fit if ~ arN ~l' ~ ~ t I ''~ ;rtf ~ lIil: ~ t. IftT'( arN arq;rr 331 Constitution (Amelt.) Bill FEBRUARY 21. 1969 Constitution (Amdt.) Bill 332 arm" ~ Rmr lffI'm aT ~ ~ leader of the Soshit Dat. He resianed his seat here and he was nominated to 'IR ~~ I ~~ om- ;:rf the Upper House there. Apin, he has 1IiTt ~ lfT ~ rn ~rr ~ come back. In the Illite of these Consti- ~ 3llrol' ~ ~ 1Iii aim: ~ tutional provisions, poli tical corruption is practised. Constitution-makers, ~ ar'tt ~ !R ~ lfi't1JT I members of this House and responsible people have raped the Constitution not SHRI K. LAKKAPPA (Tumkur) : Sir, once but several times. If this is conti- am very happy that Mr. Desai has nued, it leads logically to the question introduced this Bill, seeking to amend whether Upper Houses are necessary or articles 80 and 171 of the Constitution, not. Different opinions have been expre- dealing with nomination to the Rajya ssed about this inside and outside. In Sabha and the Upper Houses in the view of the political corruption beina Slates. Our experience of all these 20 practised by the Congress Government, years has been that we have not been I have no hesitation in saying that the able to establish a healthy convention Rajya Sabha and the Upper Houses in the either in the States or at tho Centre. States should be abolished. There is political corruption all along the line. Right from the Prime Minister to With these remarks, I support the any legislator in a State, we are all Bill. wedded to the parliamentary system of democracy. We have reposed confidence in the people and we have to respect the THE MINISTER OF LAW AND verdict of the people. Unfortunately, SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI GOVINDA through these nominations, political MENON): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, Shri corruption has taken place, which has Desai's amending Bill is certainly an impor- been criticised outside and inside. tant one because any Bill seeking to amend the Constitution is of great importance. When the Congress President, Mr. But much of the realism about this debate Nijalingappa, was in office in Mysore, is lost when as a matter of fact the he made certain nominations to the Upper quorum in the House itself is in question House. Mr. Murnal was one of them. and two-third majority of the Members We submitted a chargesheet against Mr. present and more than hal f the member- Nijalingappa to the President, the Prime ship of the House is required to pass a Minister and the Home Minister in which Bill amending the Constitution. Why I we have mentioned this as one of the refer to this is that it would appear that constitutional improprieties, because he a very large section of this House is not nominated a man who resigned his interested in this amendment. Apart seat. from Government's attitude, even the Opposition, even the Members of the Party to which Shri Desai belongs seem SHRI RANDHIR SINGH: They are to be not interested. That shows that not present in the House to defend them- this has not evoked much interest in selves. These are extraneous matters. Parliament. It is so because, you may remember, there is a provision in the MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Some mem- Indian Penal Code which says that ber has already referred to it. triflinp should not be taken notice of. A very trifling thina which strictly speak- SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: The charge- ing may be an offence will not be taken sheet we submitted is still h.ngina in the notice of a court of law. That will air. be ignored. Our experience is. these articles Jive ample scope for political corruption. Mr. What is it that is beina objected to? B. P. MandaI was an elected member of There are only four articles in the Consti- this House. In Bihar, he was elected tution providina for nomil'lation. Two 333 Constitutio" (Amdt.) Bill PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) ConstitUlIo" (Amdt.) Bill 334

[Shri Govinda Menon] with separate electorates and give luaran- tees to minorities and it is on the of them arc articles 331 and 334 providinl recommendation of the Committee on for nomination of members of the Analo- Minorities that this nomination to Indian community if they are not properly the State Assemblies and to the represented in the Lok Sabha and in the Lok Sabha was provided for in the State Assemblies. Shri Desai's BiII does Constitution. There may have been a not cover those cases and so I do not stray act of misuse of the power vested want to refer to them. Then there is in the Governors. this provision of nomination to the Rajya Sabha and to the Leaislative Councils Now, with respect to Rajya Sabha, in the States. we modelled our provision for nominations Lookinll at the matter philosophically, to Rajya Sabha on what is obtaininll in all nominations smack of patronaae. the Republic of Ireland. The latc Sir Even if all the twelve persons nominated B. N. Rau, who was advising the Consti- belonll strictly and indubitably to the tuent Assembly on this matter, did as a catCllOries mentioned in article 18, still matter of fact 110 to Ireland and other there would be an element of patronallC countries and wanted to copy certain whoever be the authority who is nomina- matters contained in the Irish Constitution ting. If you are leaving it completely in our Constitution. The Directive to the President to do it in his discretion Principles were taken from that Constitu- even so where there may be hundred tion and the provision for nomination important members competent in literature, of a bare 12 people, in a House of 2S0, arts etc., only one or two will be nomi- which comes to somethinl between 4 to S nated. So wherever there is nomination percent, was also provided. When you there will be patronage. I remember on look at the question, you will see that, this occasion a very witty remark made by and larllC, the persons who have been by a member of Parliament in the United nominated hitherto were persons who were Kingdom. When the Conservative Party respected, competen t people in the lines was in office a time arose when they had to which they belong. Provided you not enough peers in the Upper House. want persons of that type in the Upper They nominated overnight a large number House, provided it would be welcome to of peers to sit in the House of Lords. have people of that type in the Upper Naturally, when these new peers appeared House, I think this provision is a healthy in the House of Lords for the first time provision. their wives also were there in the galleries Now if you look into the matter very and a Member of the Opposition speakinl closely, you would see that the entire about that situation is reported to have Rajya Sabha is the result of patron•. said. as follows : The members are elected by an electoral "Verily, Mr. Speaker, this Govern- collCIIC consisting of the elected members ment is omnipotent. It could of the Legislative Assembly and each make those women there ladies." political party looks into its strenllth in the Legislative Assembly and gives So wherever there is nomination there is patronage to certain persons, they are some element of patronqe, elected and they come to the Rajya Sabha. I do not want to mention names but there MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER The is in the Rajya Sabha today a member omnipotence of the Government in Britain who comes from Kerala who had to enter is now taken away. into a pact, at the instance of the SHRI GOVINDA MENON : It is United Front there, that he would retire being taken away. It has not yet been after three years to give place to another taken away. member belonging to another party. I am not flndinll fault with that. The At the time when we were havina dis- Conll'_ may aJso do it. What I say Is cussion in the Constituent Asaembly, the that even in t!lw. case of the _lied Constituent Assembly wanted to do away ~ct members of the Rajya Sabha, 335 Constitution (Amdt.) Bill FEBRUARY 21, 1969 Constitution (Anrdt.) Bill 336 they are all there because of patronqe House and certain members of eminence which the political parties live. present there add to the dignity of the House. It is a revising body. Some of SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : Then brina a the members there have often made very legislation to abolish them. good contribution to the debate in the HOUse. To mention only one name-I SHRI VASUDEV AN NAIR (Peer- do not want to give many names-Shri made) : No, they are agaiust it. Kaul, who was the Secretary of the Lok- Sabha till recently, often intervenes in SHRI GOVINDA MENON : Now, debates and makes excellent contribution with respect to members of the Rajya to the debates there on account of his long Sabha, elected by the Lesislative Assem- experience of the science of legislation. blies, the hon. Member is also sharing He represents a very important interest. to a very lallle extent the patronage for sending members to the Rajya Sabha. Then, there are men of letters, poets. Somebody referred to the late Maithili Look at the case of the Legislative Sharan Gupta. It may be that a poet of Councils. There is a provision in our that type may not recite poems in the Constitution, article 169, which says that Rajya Sabha, but that is a method of the Legislative Assembly may pass a honouring a distinguished man of letters, resolution by a certain majority to abolish literature, science etc. the Legislative Councils. My hon. friend, Shri Ramamurti, was waxinll eloquent SHRI RANDHIR SINGH: Prithviraj about patronage. I would like to ask Kapoor. him : would the Legislative Assembly of West Bengal pass a resolution to abolish SHRI GOVINDA MENON: Yes, the Legislative Council of West Bengal ? Kapoor. Certainly not, even though it is entirely within the competence of the West Bengal SHRI RANDHIR SINGH Bachehan. Legislative Assembly. On the other hand. Dr. Gopal Singh. I have before me two files from two States, where the Chief Ministers are SHRI GOVINDA MENON: I do not requesting me to amend the Representa- deny that in human institutions there tion of the People Act so that the mem- may not be lapses. If one man is bership of the Legislative Councils in nominated, the question may arise why he those States may be enhanced. and not the other. The answer would be a well-known nyaya in Sanskrit known as I do not want to mention the names of Ashokavanikanyaya. Valmiki has des- the States, cribed Sita as having sat under the Ashoka tree in a certain corner of the garden SHRI VASUDEVAN NAIR: Let us belonging to Ravana in Lanka. The know. question was: Why did Valmiki say that Sita sat under that particular tree ? SHRI GOVINDA MENON: Because The answer was that if Valmiki had des- questions are put here I do not want to cribed that she sat under another tree, keep it as a secret. One is Tamil Nadu. then also the question can be put as to From Tamil Nadu a request has come why he said that she was sitting under that the memboorship of the Lcgislative that tree. This is known in Sanskrit, Council should be enhanced. Maha- amona the various nyayas, as Asltokavanl- rashtra also haa sent us a request that the kanyaya. membenhip of the Legislative Council should be enhanced. Similarly, among competent men of letters if you nominate A. the question is, Therefore wherever there are nomina- "oh ! you patronised him." But if you tions and elections which are tantamount nominate B. then also that question can to nominations, there wj/ be these cues be raised. Thi. I say in answer to the of patronaae. After all, it is the upper objection raised by Shri Lobo Prabhu. 337 Constitution (Amdt.l Bill PHALGUNA 2, 1890 (Saka) Conslitutioll (Amdt.) Bill 338

[Shri Govinda Menon) what has been done by the Constituent He did not object to nomination; he Assembly in its wisdonl. So long as it objected to certain people being there. does not prove to be injurious to the He put the question as to what guarantee governance of the country, I should think, or assurance I would give him that in that we must leave them alone and if this matter there would be no misuse of there is some patronage involved it, there power. is no reason why it should be attacked. SHRI RANDHIR SINGH : What I would, therefore, respectfully request about nominating retired military generals Mr. C. C. Desai, and particularly because and marshals to the Rajya Sabha ? it cannot be passed now being an amendment of the Constitution, to SHRI GOVINDA MENON: That is withdraw the Bill. not provided in the Constitution. SHRI C. C. DESAI: Mr. Deputy- SHRI RANDHIR SINGH: It should Speaker, Sir, the hon. Law Minister's be provided. I insist on that. speech was nothing but an apolOlia for the continued exercise of this power of nomination. He did not dispute that SHRI GOVINDA MENON: That it nominations have been abused in the past. should be provided is a different matter. But all that he said was that that may have been done here or there or that Therefore in the Upper House, which there may be isolated cases. These cases is a House of Elders and which is a arise because we pinpoint them. Actually, revising body, if out of 2S0 persons there if you go into each nomination, one by arc some 12 people who arc nominated one, you will find that in a great majority by the President, may be on the advice of of cases, the principles which have been the Prime Minister or the Home Minister enshrined in the Constitution have been and therefore smacking occasionally of an honoured more in violation than in element of patronage, this is too trifling observance. It is rather delicate to give a matter to be referred to. instances. Otherwise, I can even give the names of persons who have been Shri Ramamurti, for example, has been nominated recently and who have been referring to-previously also he did that- the Members of the other House. It is a very ancient anecdote which took place not my purpose to do so. My one object in 19S2, of Shri Rajallopalachari being is to point out that this principle of nominated. These are all exceptional nomination is repugnant to the priDciple cases which may be wrong or right, but of election. Our sovereigoty, as Mr. P. that is not the reason why this right of Ramamurti said, is based on elective nomination should be objected to. principle. It i. true that there arc no nominations except for the AlIIlo-Indian SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: I referred to community in the Lok Sabha. But the the recent case of Mandai and of parliament consists of both Houscs. The Mysore. other House, the Upper House, is also SHRI GOVINDA MENON: If Madras a House of Parliament a5 Lok Sabha. or Tamil Nadu should do it, should not Therefore, any nomination in the Raijya Mysore also do it ? Sabha is also a viola don of the elective principle which ought to be enforced and SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : It is a question which ought to be respected and ouaht to of principle. be followed in our Constitution. Now that we have had experience and SHRI GOVINDA MENON : These we have seen that the very object of arc all isolated matters. Government nomination has been defeated and has absolutely have no vested interest in these not been fulfiUed, it should be done away provisions of the Constitution. with. A number of cascs have bcen quoted, not merely an old case of 1952 but I cateaorically assert that. But this is also the reoent cues of Mysore, Bihar and 119 Cnnsti/utioJl.( .... lIIdt.)BiII I:EBRUARY2I,1969 C,,,,sti/ulilHl(Amdt.)BiII 340

of the R.ajya Sabha itself here. As I pointed MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: He may out, tjlere was a flash in the pl/.pers t!)at try to conclude now. There is only a Mr. 'X' .w.as laken as ooe of tbe quoll/. min.ute left. from Uttar ~as in the Rajya Sabha on the under.standing that tbe otber SHRI C.c. DESAI: I will not be able person whose name was recpmmeoded by to finish it. As my hon. friend, the Law the people over there woqld be acco- Minister, said, the Swatantra BeAches mmodated in the Rajya Sabha tbrOlllh are empty and I will wait wilen the the Presjdeqtial nomination. This was Swatantra Benches are full to ask for the the report and it was, at that time. that voting. I will continue next time. some of us, includil1& myself, wrote to the Presideni and pointed out,"l:Iete is a report which you can verify from the MR. DVPUTY-SPEAKER: All right. He may continue·nellt time. Prime Minister. We are not talkil\l! in vacuum. This is nothing but.8 fraud on the Constituti9n. This is nothing but a ,18 bours trl\flK;king in presidcnt,ial nomination by no less than a pefSOll .of the statU$ of THE LOK SABHA THEN AD- Prime Minister. We bope you will rise JOURNE:O TILL ELEVEN 01" THE to the occasion alld will ignore the CLOCK ON MONDAY, FEBRUARY advice." 24, 1969/ PHALGUNA 5, 1890 (SAKA).

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