1972- CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE JANUARY 20 Wolcott Kent Dudley to be first lieutenant, Infantry. ()Ut of the way all hindrances, that force of Christian pre James Bai·ry Kraft to be first lieutenant, Field Artillery. cepts may be augmented and that the work of international Andrew Suter Gamble to be first lieutenant, Infantry. understanding may make haste toward completion. 0 God, Howard Jehu John to be first lieutenant, Field Artillery. sovereign in love and sovereign in power, \"Ve pray that all John Reynolds Hawkins to be first lieutenant, Air Corps. peoples may know Thee and submit themselves to Thy will, and Earl Lynwood Scott to be first lieutenant, Infantry. may the whole earth be brought into closer relationship and Charles Loomis Booth to be first lieutenant, Field Artillery. become the garden of the Lord, over which shall cover the holy Andrew Paul Foster, jr., to be first lieutenant, Infantry. dove of peace instead of the dark raven of war. "\Ve pray in the Melvin Eugene Meister to be first lieutenant, Infantry. name of the Man of Galilee. Amen. Emil Lenzner to be first lieutenant, Signal Corps. The Journal of the proceedings of Saturday was read and Hobart Amory Murphy to be first lieutenant, Infantry. approved. William Hemy Maglin to be first lieutenant, Infantry. Ralph Emanuel Fisher to be first lieutenant, Air Corps. MESSAGE FROM THE SENATE William Samuel Triplet to be first lieutenant, Infantry. A message from the Senate by Mr. Craven, its principal clerk, George Winfered Smythe to be first lieutenant, Infantry. announced that the Senate had passed bills of the following .John Harold Claybrook, jr., to be first lieutenant, Cavalry. titles, in which the concunence of the House is requested: Je , e Thoma Traywick, jr., to be first lieutenant, Infantry. S. 1487. An act authorizing the Secretary of the Treasury to Philip McCaffrey Kernan to be fu·st lieutenant, Infantry. permit the erection of a building for use as a residence for the Howard Alexander Malin to be first lieutenant, Infantry. Protestant chaplain at the National Leper Home at Carville, James Earl Purcell to be first lieutenant, Infantry. La., and for other purposes ; and John Archer Elmore, jr., to be first lieutenant, Infantry. S. 3030. An act to amend an act entitled "An act to provide John We ley Ram ey, jr., to be first lieutenant, Infantry. for the further development of agricultural extension work be Francis John Grating to be first lieutenant, Infantry. tween the agricultural colleges in the several States receiving Nye Kirwan Elward to be first lieutenant, Infantry. the benefits of the act entitled 'An act donating public lands to James Pierce Hulley to be first lieutenant, Infantry. the several States and Territories which may provide colleges Samuel Waynne Smithers to be first lieutenant, Infantry. for the benefit of agriculture and the mechanic arts,' approved Ralph Arthur Koch to be first lieutenant, Infantry. July 2, 1862, and all acts supplementary thereto, and the United Kenneth Rector Bailey to be first lieutenant, Infantry. States Department of Agriculture," approved May 22, 1928. Lucien Franci Wells, jr., to be first lieutenant, Infantry. PERMISSION TO ADDRESS THE HOUSE Joseph Wheeler Smith, jr., to be major, Medical Corps. Mr. ASWELL. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that Walter Leslie Perry to be major, Medical Corps. after the Speaker's desk is cleared on next Thursday I may Harvey Robinson Livesay to be major, Medical Corps. address the House for 4() minutes on the operations of the Fed Raymond 0'borne Dart to be major, Medical Corps. eral Farm Loan Board to date. Don Clio Bartholomew to be major, Medical Corps. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Louisiana asks unani Lucius Kennedy Patter on to be major, Medical Corps. mous consent that on next Thursday, after the disposition of Charles Robert Mueller to be major, Medical Corps. - matters on the Speaker's table, he may be permitted to address Charles Fletcher Davis to be major, Medical Corps. the House for 40 minutes on the . ubject of the work of the William James Carroll to be major, Medical Corps. Federal Farm Loan Board. Is there objection? Adam George Heilman to be major, Medical Corps. There was no objection. Fritz Jack Sheffier to be captain, Medical Adminish·ative Corps. PERMISSION FOR COMMITI'EE ON PATENTS TO BIT DURING SESSIONS Ed ward Martin Wones to be :first lieutenant, Medical Adminis OF THE HOUSE trative Corps. Mr. VESTAL. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that POSTMASTERS the Committee on Patents may be permitted to sit to-day dur ing the sessions of the House. All the members of the com MINNESOTA mittee have asked me to make the request. Frank A. Schneider, Lake Elmo. The SPEAKER. By direction of the committee, the gentle NORTH OAROLINA man from Indiana asks unanimous consent that the Committee Thomas E. Harwell, Catawba. on Patents may sit to-day during sessions of the House. Is Edward A. Simkins, Goldsboro. there objection? Ro coe C. Chandley, Greensboro. There was no objection. William R. Anderson, Reidsville. The SPEAKER. Under the order of the House, the Chair Clarence L. Fisher, Roseboro. recognizes the gentleman from Idaho [Mr. FRENcH] for one hour. Samuel F. Davidson, Swannanoa. THE LONDON N.AVAL CONFERENCE OKLAHOMA Mr. FRENCH. Mr. Speaker and Members of the House of John Johnstone, Bartlesville. Representatives, upon to-morrow, January 21, the London Naval Albert H. Lyons, Bristow. Conference will assemble. The delegates to the conference will Curtis Murphy, Foss. represent the five nations that were parties to the Washington Charles W. Youngblood, Hanna. conference of 1922 and 1923..--the United States, Great Britain, Albert L. Chesnut, Kingston. Japan, France, and Italy. The conference will take up the Mayme Hewitt, Moore. question of whether or not ways and means may be found for Chloe V. Ellis, Porter. reducing the naval burdens that rest heavily upon these great Wesley Z. Dilbeck, Rocky. sea powers and working out an orderly program for the main Artie Sellars, Texola. tenance of navies that will avoid rivalry and competition and Orner G. Bohannon, Wister. that will promote peace. James S. Shanks, Wynona. The world owes a profound debt of gratitude to President Hoover, of the United States, and to the Prime l\1inister of Great Britain, Mr. MacDonald, for their vision and qualities HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES of statesmanship that have made the conference possible and that h~ve directed the attention of the world's people along MoNDAY, January W, 1930 lines that give basis to the hope that from the conference wili The House met at 12 o'clock noon. flow tremendous good. The Chaplain, Rev. James Shera Montgomery, D. D., offered President Hoover and Prime Minister MacDonald have been imbued with that fine spirit of love for humanity which has the following prayer: impelled them to seek means for greater assurance of world 0 Thou Divine and Blessed Father, who lovest us more than peace and means for the reduction of military and naval we love ourselves, may we be learners in Thy school of wisdom, burdens. so that in the royalty of intelligence and in the gentleness of If the program to which they have addressed their attention affection we shall understand Thy purpose in men. 0 Thou can be accomplished with measurable success, they will have Lord of lords, we pray for the whole world, across which the rendered to humanity a service of incalculable value, and one nations have passed in their migrations and armies in their con that will have bearing upon the relations of nations and the quests. Come and reign on the entire earth. Fulfill Thy decrees welfare of humanity for all time. and bring to pass happy and safe years of world peace and The program is of double significance. First of all, it is sig cooperation. Be at the round table of the conference beyond nificant from the standpoint of world peace, directing the our borders, and be above charter, treaty, and tradition. Take thought of humankind to activiti~ other than those of war; of 1930 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 1973 removing hatred, suspicion, and rivalry; of making possible the October 7 and the Hoover-MacDonald statement of October 10, expenditure of human effort for the production of things that the conference is not charged with widest responsibility touch- · humanity needs; that mean for common living from day to day; ing problems· of nations. The conference will have to do with that mean for home; that mean for · culture ; that mean for the international relationships having particular reference to naval advancement of the race. And less important, the program bas programs. bearing upon the financial budgets of nations which, after all, ·with such a mandate its powers must not be too restricted, re t upon the backs of people in such degree that they are always else it may fail to attain its end. referred to as burdens. The possibilities of the approaching conference should be two CAUSES OF WAR fold: Ways should be sought withjn the purposes of the call for War to-day are caused by fear and by ambition. Causes for removing the fundamental causes of war, and means should be fear should be removed. Modern standards of fair play should provided for bringing into sound economic bounds the costs of curb ambition at the bouncJary line where the rights of other armaments. people begin. Unless accomplishment of heroic size may flow from the Lon Causes for fear, in part, lie in age-old jealousies and over don Naval Conference, the annual budget for the maintenance of lapping of population that render indistinct the ancient boundary the Naval Establishment of the United States will need to be lines of nations. These causes for fear can not be disposed of written in figures exceeding $400,000,000 beginning with next at a single conference, but will require patience and forbearance year and increasing thereafter liDtil $500,000,000 annual outlay and wise counsel through many years. will have been attained. To show what is ahead, may I direct Cau es for fear, in part, lie in certain undetermined problems attention to the estimates that were submitted by the different touching intercourse of nations, the re ult of which makes it bureau chiefs of the Navy Department to the Secretary of the possible for one nation in a crisis, if po ses ·ed of military Navy, preliminary to the preparation of the Budget for the com strength, to assert its will in defiance of the rights of other na ing fiscal year, which has been recommend~d to the Congress. tions, forcing them to measures of self-defense. Such a problem The preliminary estimates from "the bureau chiefs aggregated is the question of freedom of the seas, and it will not be met $471,103,274 for the fiscal year 1931. These estimates were until a policy shall be accepted by all nations under which rela reduced by the Secretary of the Navy and submitted to the tive national security may be maintained, neutral rights pro Budget in the tel'Ins of $425,084,297, and in addition authoriza· tected by international consent, and the burden of warfare tion for construction purposes for aviation was asked in the through hunger and privation lifted from innocent women and amount of $10,000,000. defenseless children. Through negotiations with the Bureau of the Budget this I could wish this question might be disposed of now, so basic total figure was- reduced until the estimates that have come ·to do I regard its settlement in fixing the size of programs for de the Congress for the next fiscal year are in the figures $380,- fense. Sentiment, however, seems not to have crystallized suffi 392,526. In addition to this, supplemental estimates will probably ciently to make it a part of the agenda for the London confer be made. ence. The path toward peace bear imprint, not of strides, but These figures are staggering. They are more than three times of "short and sometimes halting steps. the appropriation made by Germany for her naval establish Security of nations is fundamental looking to their welfare. ments in 1914. The other great powers will have comparable Challenging this security are two factors that are at once cause budgets. and re ult of world-wide insecurity with which we may hope to A naval war is on, and for the nations of the world to fail dea 1. These factors feed upon each ·other and bulk large- to agree on limitations is nothing less than madness. First. Apprehension among nations occasioned by unusual These budgets can be cut in two and relative security main military and naval programs and; tained. Second. Competition in sea and other military power. That you may have the picture before you orthe dimensions . With these two problem , as I understand it, the London con of the present naval establishments of the five great powers, I ference will have to do. shall insert at this point a table prepared by the Office of Naval PROGRAM OF THE LONDON CONFERENCE Intelligence of the Navy Department as of January 15, 1930. The conference will assemble to-morrow. Its authority, while This table will be used by the representatives of the United limited in a degree, must be ample enough to meet the pur· States at the London conference, and it will show with respect pose of the call in broad, statesmanlike manner. By refer· to the several ppwers the number and tonnage of craft of the ence to the invitation issued by the British Government on essential categories of the respective nations.
Data regarding classes of ships wlwu numbers of total tonnage are.. limited bv the Washington treatv [Office of Naval Intelligence. Information as of January 15, 1930]
lJnited States British Empire Japan France Italy Type Number Tons Number Tons Number Tons Number Tons Number Tons
Capital ships (under age o!2u years): Battleships builL ___------18 523, 400 16 47}. 450 6 184, 080 9 194,556 89,976 Battle cruisers built ______------4 135,000 4 108,320 :---·1----1 Total capital ships______18 I 523,400 20 ' 606, 450 10 292,400 9 194,556 89,976 ===== ! ======F===~======I ===~======I=====*=====~==~===~ Aircraft carriers-(nnder ageof20 years): BuilL ______------·------3 s 76, 286 92, 8.50 61, 270 21, 653 ------Being converted or building ______------1 22, 500" 1 7, 600 ------Appropriat ed for______1 13,800 ------Authorized ______------
Total aircraft carriers ______------90,086 6 115,350 68,870 21, 053 ------
1 On completion of modernization o[ the Idaho, New Me:xiCQ. and Mississippi, which it is intended to modernize, about 9,000 tons will be added to above total. , 2 On completion of modernization of Valiant, now being modernized, and the Barham, which it is nndllrstood is to be moderniZed, about 2,200 tons will be added to the abo-ve total. United States British Empire Japan France Italy Type Number Tons Number Tons Number Tons Number Tons Number Tons Cruisers (under age of 20 years): BuilL------11 80,500 54 327,111 29 166,815 11 84,211 11 61,665 Building______------______12 120,000 6 156,800 4 40,000 5 46,496 6 39,584 Appropriated for ____ ------5 50,000 3 ! 23,000 ------1 10,000 ______.. 4__ 29,792 .Authorized. ______---______----______-- 50,000 ------·------TotaL ______.--•• --.-•• --.------•• 33 300,500 63 400,911 33 206,815 17 140,707 21 131, ou 1====~=====9====4===== 1 =====~==== !1====~===~=~==~==~~ l Includes Surrey and Northumberland, whose construction has been suspended. • Includes one 10,000-ton crusier oontainedi n current year's Budget. The exact status of tbis is unknown. 1974 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE JANUARY 20 DaJc. regarding combatant &hips whose numbers are not af!u:led b1l the treatv-.Continued United States British Empire Japan France Italy Type Number Tons Number Tons Number Tons Number Tons Number Tons Cruisers (over 20 years of age): Built______4 a 25,501 ------9 66,040 4 40,137 2 15,059 =====F=====F===== : ======F====F==~==I======~====:~==~===== Destroyers (nnder age of 16 years): BuilL------284 290,304 150 157,585 102 107, ZT5 59 65, 912 75 68, 768 Building ______------20 26,786 9 15,300 17 35,082 10 14.588 Appropriated for------9 12,390 4 6, 800 12 29,520 4 4. 820 Authorized------(4) (') ------TotaL--- ___ --_------'284 6 290,304 179 196,761 115 129,375 88 130, 514 89 88, 176 I====~======F====~======~===I======II======J Destroyers (over 16 years of age): Built ______l====l======l====l======ol====l======l25 16,851 1,695 3,120 5 3,143 1, 623 SubmarinesBuilt______(under age of 13 years): ------_____ ----______Building ______tt08 0 i7, 062 53 47,421 64 C6. 627 43 31,213 38 20, 99i) 2 5.520 10 15,700 7 11,870 36 38.635 14 11,493 Appropriated for __ ------____ --- 3 ; 4, 650 6 6,080 ------22 22,542 7 4,200 Authorized. ______-----______---_____ --- (I) (1) ------...... ------~ Tot~------~~=~~~=!=~==~~~~==~~~==~==~~~===~~~=1==~~113 87,232 69 69,201 71 78,497 101 92,390 59 36,683 Submarines (over) 13 years of age built______114 ~ 5, 24~r ------5, 684 ------· •Does noti nclude 9 cruisers (86,915 tons) listed for disposal. • Does not include 12 destroyers remaining from 1916 program for which no funds for construction are available. 1 Includes 61 destroyers (63,991 tons) listed for disposal and JO Ooast G ;mrd destroyers (8,809 tons). • Includes 31 submarines (16,512 tons) listed for disposal and experimental hnlk S-4 (812 tons). f Estimated displacement. a Does not include one experimental (Neff type) submarin.e authorized. t T.isted for disposal. Mr. BACON. If the gentleman will yield, does the table in entire cost of replacing the 15 battleships of the United States clude the old cruisers on the p1·ogram for elimination? within a period of 15 years will be from $525,000,000 to Mr. FRENCH. There are four included over 20 years of age. $600,000,000. The table indicates primarily the ships that are of effective age. I am going to sum up the items presently, but I desire to Wl1ere craft are included that are above the effective age this mention the replacement costs of the several categories. fact is set forth. A.ffiCRAFT CARRIERS Mr. ARENTZ. Does it give the proper weight as measured by The next type of ship is the aircraft carrier. The aircraft the measuring stick of President Hoover? carrier tonnage was fixed by the Washington conference at Mr. FRENCH. It indicates the tonnage according to what is 135,000 tons for the United States and like tonnage for Great called standard tonnage adopted by the Washington conference, Britain. except as to France and Italy, where normal tonnage figures We have 76,286 tons of aircraft in our fieet, including the were used. The -difference is not great, and I assume the formula Langley, an experimental ship of nearly 12,000 tons. Tbe for standard tonnage will be applied to all nations at the con Langley will need to be replaced and of additional tonnage al ference. lowed under the Washington treaty, including replacement of OUR NAVY-PROBABLE COST IN ABSENCE OF INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENT the Lcmgl.ey, the United States will be called upon to build The table that I submit does not give the entire picture that I about 69,000 tons, which at })resent would mean about five ships. must bring to the attention of the House. You can not measure Under this program last year we provided for one carrier of the cost of the Navy by the expenditures for one year. You about 12,800 tons, with a limit of cost of $19,000,000. must measure the cost of the Navy over a period of time and If $19,000,000 may be regarded as the cost of one carrier, the strike an average in order that a true picture may be obtained. cost of five carriers will be $95 000,000. Basic in the expenditures for the Naval Establishment are ships and man power. Other factors, such as yards and oper CRUISERS ating expenses, equipment, repair, and upkeep, have direct r~a The third type of ship is the cruiser. tion to the size of the establishment measured in ships of dif The United States has 11 cruisers that have been completed ferent types and in the number of ships that are maintained in since the Washington Conference of 80,500 tons. In addition, commission. we have 4 cruisers over 20 years of age of 25,001 tons, and 9 of At the Washington conference the replacement age was fix~ 86,915 toDB which are on the disposal list. for capital ships at 20 years. No replacement age was fixed for In addition to the foregoing, we have a cruiser program as ships of other types, though the United States has insisted upon follows: 20 years for cruisers, 15 to 17 years for destroyers, and 12 to 13 Building, 12 ------· ·------120, 000 years for submarines. .Appropriated for. t\ ,.------50, 000 I want to ask the House to look ahead over a period of 15 .Authorued, 5------50,000 years. Take the Naval Establishment as it is to-day. Consider Tbe total tonnage, omitting the 9 cruisers that are on the it upon tbe assumption tbat there will be no international agree disposal list, is 326,000 tons. ment. Consider the replacement programs that will need to be It is freely talked that 315,000 ·tons may be the figure accept adopted in all the categories. Count up the cost that you may able in cruiser strength to Great Britain and the United States, have the basis before you for determining whether or not a and while a slightly greater tQnnage than that already has been limitation of naval programs among nations is wise, and in its authorized or is in existence in the United States, suppose we absence what it will cost our country and what it will cost other consider a building program, as we look ahead, upon the ba tis nations of the world. of 315,000 tons. The essential fighting ships of the Navy to-day may be classi To meet that program we shall need to build the 15 cruisers fied as battleships, aircraft carriers, c1."UiBers, destroyers, and that were authorized in the la t Congress and for which small submarines. Of course, in addition to these in the final analysis appropriations have been made. We shall need to complete 7 we shall need to take account of other craft, such as mine more cruisers, for 3 of which additional appropriations will need layers and mine sweepers, cargo and ar!lmnnition ships, trans to be made beyond the current fiscal year. Upon the basis of ports, and hospital ships, and the multitude of craft of lesser the cost of $17,000,000 for a 10,000-ton cruiser, this will mean importance essential to the fleet. approximately $275,000,000 that will need to be expended within BATTLESHIPS the next 15 years, including the unexpended balances for the Under the terms of the Washington treaty the United States current year for new construction work. was permitted 18 battleships, to be replaced in due course by 15, with. n total tonnage of 525,000 tons. DESTROYERS Tbe entire replacement program on the basis of 20 years, the The next type of ship is the destroyer. We have at this time age of a battleship, will need to be accomplished for all these 284, of which about 225 are effective. The others are ob olete. ships within a period of 15 years. Thirteen of them within a We are told by responsible officers of the department that upon period of 12 years will need to be replaced. The replacement the basis of the present layout of battleships, aircraft. carriers, cost of a battleship is from $35,000,000 to $40,000,000, ~nd the and crui§ers, we ~ require 225 dest_royers to ro!llld out our 1930 CONGRESSIONAL RECORP-HOUSE 1975 fleet in this regard. But our destroyers are all fairly old and reason why we should adopt the replacement program that the within 15 years it will mean complete replacement. gentleman :figures. Mr. SIROVICH. New ones? Mr. FRENCH. Oh, the gentleman has been one who at every Mr. FRENCH. Yes; we would need to replace our entire turn has voted to keep up the replacement work on every type destroyer · fleet within that time. A destroyer costs to build that we have. Does the gentleman want to admit now that he approximately $2,500,000. Upon the basis of 225 destroyers would be willing to lop off here and there a~ we go along from this w'ould mean $562,500,000 for destroyer· replacement within programs already adopted by our country? 15 years. Mr. BLACK. No. I take this position, that our country is SUBMARINES the strongest country in the world economically. It has ar· At this time the submarine strength of the United States is rived at the point in history when it should maintain the great as follows: est strength possible with a · view to all other activities of the Tons country, irrespective of what other countries are doing. I 8 7 maintain that our Navy should be sufficient to defend this ~~ll~i~ 2-::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::=::::: ~:gg5 country, its great coast line, and should be sufficient to main Appropriated for, 3------4, 650 tain this country's commerce on the seas, irrespective of what The foregoing includes 31 submarines, 16,512 tons, and an the other countries are doing. experimental hull of 812 tons that are on the disposal list. It Mr. FRENCH. I agree with the gentleman's statement, with excludes 14 submarines that are over 13 years of age with a the exception of the last part of it. Following up the cue that tonnage of 5,246. the gentleman himself has given me, if we can work out an We are told by responsible officers of the Navy Department understanding with other nations by which they and we may that our Navy requires 90 submarines upon the basis of the reduce, I regard it the part of profound wisdom on the part of program accepted in the Washington conference for battleships our country and the other nations of the world so to do. [Ap and aircraft carriers and the program authorized by the Con plause.] gress for cruisers and destroyers. The effective life of a sub Now may I outline to the House what I think is a possible marine is rated at 13 years, so within the period of 15 years that program, a reasonable program, that might be followed by the I have indicated, 90 submarines will need to be constructed London conference, and when I make this suggestion I want There is no standard tonnage for submarines. We have some it understood that I am not speaking by authority. I do not considerably under 1,000 tons, and we have several that a.re be know what the conference may do, and I suppose that the able tween 2.000 and 3,000 tons. I think it would be fair, and I conferees who represent the United States have in mind no make that statement after advising with officers of the Nav~ clear-cut picture of what may be accomplished. . Department, that whatever type of submarine be adopted or con Mr. SIROVICH. l\Ir. Speaker, will the gentleman yield? sidered for adoption, it might be reasonable to assume an aver Mr. FRENCH. Briefly. age tonnage of 1,300 tons for each submarine. That would per Mr. SIROVICH. If the London conference were a failure mit a few of the larger ones, and it would permit some smaller and we were to continue with the reconstruction program that ones. The cost of one submarine of this size is about $3,900,000. the gentleman has just enumerated, and allow European na Multiply the cost of one submarine by 90 and you obtain the tions to conform with their economic conditions, within the enormous :figure of $351,000,000 for submarines. next .15 years the United States Government would have the Listen now to the summing up of the program that you have largest Navy in the world, would it not? ahead of you within 15 years, if nothing shall be done at the Mr. FRENCH. Great Britain would be supposed to keep London conference : pace with the United States in her program. This must be For battleships, $525,000,000 to $600,000,000; for aircraft car my assumption. Great Britain bas on the whole a slightly riers, $95,000,000; for cruisers, $275,000,000; for destroyers. larger tonnage. She has larger tonnage in cruisers, a less ton $562,000,000 ; for submarines, $351,000,000 ; a grand total of from nage in submarines, and a less tonnage in destroyers. The $1,808,000,000 to $1,893,000,000 for a new construction program figures that I have used are substantially upon the basis of going by the United States within 15 years. forward with the program that bas been approved either by Upon the basis of the analysis that I have ju t made, the an the \Vashington conference or by the Congress. nual budget for new construction work for the Navy of the 1\Ir. BLACK. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield for a United States, in the absence of international agreement, will be question? approximately $125,000,000, not taking into account construction Mr. FRENCH. I hope the gentleman will permit me to pro programs that will need to be carried forward for all the miscel . ceed and I shall be glad to yield a.littl.e later on if I shall have laneous auxiliary craft that will be necessary to support the the time. fighting ships of the Navy. DEFINITENESS IN MAJOR PROGRAMS In the meantime the maintenance of the Naval Establishment Outstanding in importance and fundamental in a limitation would go on. The number of officers and men depends upon the program is the enthronement of a policy of frankness and de:fi size of the Navy in tonnage. Upon this sam·e factor depend the nitene s in major military and naval activities, naval bases, magnitude of navy yards and the multitude of expenses neces numbers, tonnage, and types of ships and gun power. sary for the maintenance from year to year of naval activities. Beneficent on the whole as was the Washington conference, I have spoken so definitely in the matter of tonnage, because the absence of agreement in certain essential naval factors and / around tonnage are gathered all other factors. When you con craft, with restrictions in others, gave the propagandists of ever trol tonnage, when you reduce tonnage, you control and reduce increasing navies opportunity to disturb the friendly relations the naval expenditures. of nations by urging programs of construction of bases or pro Mr. BLACK. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield? ·grams of ship construction in categories where no limit had been l\Ir. FRENCH. Yes. fixed. Mr. BLACK. Under that expenditure would the replacement Witness the expansion programs in cruisers. Following the Navy be greater or more powerful than our present Navy? Wa hington conference, and omitting all reference to the present Mr. FRENCH. The replacement Navy under this program fiscal year because or certain suspensions, powers signatory to would be the exact battleship Navy we have now, the exact the resulting treaty have laid down and appropriated for ships aircraft approved by the Washington treaty, a slightly le s of this type, a.s follows: cruiser program than we have now authorized, a destroyer pro Great Britain------15 gram slightly less than our present tonnage, and approximately United States------8 the same in submarines that we now have. Japan ------9 Mr. HALE. And we have not authorized the full 69,000 tons France------5 of aircraft? ItalY------~------6 Mr. FRENCH. No; but in that category I have used treaty Authorization for greater programs has been voted, and defi figures. nite drives are on that they be increased. Mr. BLACK. Does the gentleman go into the replacement Imperative need of nations bas not been the impelling power cost of foreign navies? behind this movement. An essential if not the driving force Mr. FRENCH. The Question that the gentleman asks is, of bas been the preachments and activities of other nations. course, pertinent, but it is pertinent to the budgets of other The Congress of the United States bas been spurred on by the countries. The replacement by other nations will need to be discussions and activities of the British Parliament and the the same as for the United States in a general way in the Japanese Diet; and, on the other hand, the British and Japa ab ence of an international understanding. It is a matter of nese Governments have accentuated the needs of their estab "keeping up with the Joneses "-not in the comic strip, but in lishments by reason of the agitation in and the activities of the real life and with tragic significance. United States. The gossip of one chancellery became the cause Mr. BLACK. If the other countries can not keep up with of uneasiness when carried to another. The debates in one the replacement progra!D of the United States, then there is no parliament found repercussion in other parliaments. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE JANUARY 20 Restrictions alone upon battleships, cruisers, and airplane Mr. FRENCH.. The point is this: I do not believe the United carriers would encourage competition in building of submarines. States should abolish its battle..c:iliips if Great Britain does not The submarine would become glorified. Ships . of one type as abolish hers. [Applause.] In this matter we must do team sume proportions with relation to the effectiveness of ships of work. I believe in reducing the other categories we now have, another type, whether the latter be modified by number of but I do not believe in doing it single handed and alone: ships and size, limitations upon guns or speed, or usefulness of [Applause.] I believe that our Nation in taking the course she whatever kind. is taking, demanding parity with Great Britain and demanding Generally speaking, fear of others, suspicion of motives, re equality, is doing the thing which in a large statesmanlike way solve to act are born from lack of definiteness within categories, will make possible a reduction in the burdens of all naval estab and lack of knowledge of what is the motive behind the act of lishments, not alone of our Nation but of all nations. another nation when she expands a base or lays down a ship. [Applause.] Definiteness should extend to all categories of ships and to all Mr. COLE. Will the gentleman yield for a suggestion? major activities of military character. Mr. FRENCH. Yes. - REASONABLE LIMITATIONS WITHIN CATEGORIES Mr. COLE. It is often stated that in the Washinrton con ference Great Britain outmaneuvered us and that we were There should be reasonable limitations upon the part of cheated. That is the common impression which prevails, and nations in all categories. The Geneva conference failed because the fear is expressed that at the coming conference we will be the parties to the conference could not come to agreement upon outmaneuvered again. Would the gentleman be willing to make the respective needs for the types of ships by the several nations. some statement about that? For instance, in cruisers Great Britain thought she needed 1\lr. FRENCH. Yes. Such statements a1-e propaganda that, 70; the United States thought this figure was too large. To I have no doubt, have their origin in personal self-interest, day, as we approach the London conference, we understand that though they are repeated in good faith by some who are unin if atisfactory arrangements can be made touching other cate formed. I do not believe that any thoughtful and disinterested gories, Great Britain will be willing to agree upon 50 cruisers. person who will study the results of the Washington confer There is a vast difference between 50 cruisers and 70 cruisers. ence will agree with that contention. [Applause.] Upon the basis of $17,000,000 as the cost of one cruiser, the There are Americans who believe that we were worsted in difference in money upon this one item alone means $340,000,000. the conference. There are Britishers who believe that Groot Needs measured in ships have relation to needs measured by Britain was on the poor end of the bargain. What are the other factors. The question of whether or not the use of the facts? No tonnage agreements were made in any of the cate seas is limited and the extent, the question of whether or not gories with the exception of capital ships and aircraft carriers. definiteness shall be attained in all categories, the· question of As to aircraft carriers, the tonnage agreed upon was tar in naval bases-if these factors may be h!\rmonized the question excess of the tonnage possessed at the time by either Great of fixing the number of cruisers or destroyers or submarines Britain or the United States. will be made simple. In battleships the tonnage agreed upon was less than the ton I go further: Whether or not these major factors may be dis nage of either nation. The battleships of Great Britain and posed of, agreement UPon numbers within categories should be the United States were not of equal age or equal efficiency. made and should be reasonable. It should not be agreement Great Britain was permitted to retain 4 of her older ships in upward. Agreement in categories upon the basis of the highest addition to the 18 allocated to her until certain capital ships numbers of ships within ~ category possessed by any nation could be completed and take their place in Great Britain's might mean not naval reduction but naval expansion. tleet. By way of illustration: Expansion would follow if agree· The United States was permitted to complete two battleships ment upon the basis of parity were made, using as the standard the cruiser strength of Great Britain, the destroyer strength of that were under construction and substitute these two new ships for two oft~ older battleships that were in service at the the United States, and the strength in submarines of the United time of the conference. States or Japan or France. Both nations were required to aim at a replacement tonnage ELIMINATE BATTLESHIPS of 525,000 tons, the replacement program to be worked out If definite understanding may be had touching essential fac according to a definite schedule adopted by the eonference. tors provocative of international misunderstanding, and thus Pending the completion of the replacement program, arbitrary potential causes of war, it would seem that more expensive tonnage approaching the amount that had been adopted was type of craft and types not primarily built for defense should allocated to both Great Britain and the United States, and it be eliminated. must be presumed that this allocation was honest and fair and This is especially true if it would appear that a type by rea that it had regard for the age of ships of Great Britain and the son of mouified means of warfare is lacking in the efficiency United States, that it had regard for gun power, and that it had that it once possessed. The battleship has been spoken of for regard for effectiveness and efficiency in general. generations as the backbone of the fleet. With the advent of The question that the gentleman has asked was raised by aircraft and subsea craft and the efficiency of each or of either, naval critics at the time of the Washington conference and the position of the battleship is questioned. Its supremacy has immediately thereafter. I recall that during the hearings be been c.llallenged. Naval critics whose judgment can not be fore the Naval Appropriations Subcommittee in December, blown down the wind are not slow t.o say that in event of a war 1923, this very question was the subject of po-inted examination of magnitude battleships ·would be anchored in safest harbors upon the part of members of our committee. Colonel Roose pending eventualities. velt was the Assistant Secretary of the Navy. He had been The replacement cost of a battleship upon the basis of 35,000 one of the naval advisers to the American delegation at the tons is approximately $35,000,000 to $40,000,000, and of 15 bat conference. During the hearings Colonel Roosevelt pointed out tle hips from $525,000,000 to $600,000,000. The cost of ann:ual that the reason a less tonnage of the existing craft was allotted maintenance and operation of a ship of this type is $2 200,000 to the United States than to Great Britain was "on account of plus. A single ship of this type requires in time of peace some the fact that the UnHed States capital ships are better and 65 to 70 officers and between 1,100 and 1,200 men. more modern than the British capital ships." And then the Discounting the adverse judgment of naval critics by assum following colloquy took place : ing that the capital ship would have a place in the naval line Mr. FRENCH. Is it true that on an average our capital ships are in action, it would seem that in the interest of reduction of cost more modern and better ships in every way than the British ships? of armaments upon the basis of a policy that would bear equally Colonel RoosEVELT. Yes; on an average. I remember the expression upon all great powers, and bearing in mind the covenant of used by Admiral Chatfield (British) at the time we were talking about n1tions not to resort to war adopted by nearly all the world that. He said, " the tail of your column is not as good as the tail of powers, this type of ship should be withdrawn permanently from our column, but the body of your column and the head of your column the fleets of nations. are very much better than the rest of our column." Mr. GARBER of Oklahoma. Will the gentleman yield? Mr. FRENCH. Yes. Mr. COLE. Could the gentleman tell the House something Mr. GARBER o-f Oklahoma. Who is responsible for the of the scrapping of ships by Great Britain and by the United maintenance of the battleships? States and include in his answer reference to capital :ships Mr. FRENCH. Who is responsible? that were being built? Also, could the gentleman tell how Mr. GARBER of Oklahoma. Yes. much it would have cost the United States to maintain her Mr. FRENCH. The nations that have them are responsible. Navy had it not been for the Washington conference? The several nations can control the matter, and I think the Mr. FRENCH. I shall answer the two questions in the gentleman is leading up to this question : Why do we not act? order in which they have been asked. Great Britain scrapped Mr. GARBER of Oklahoma. · That is it exactly. 20 capital ships that ranged in age from 7 to 16 years. She 1930 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-' HOUSE 1977 scrapped or diverted from completion as capital ships 4 ships By way~ of illustration: The replacement value of the exist that were building or that had been projected. The United ing effective ships of the United States may be said to be States scrapped 15 capital ships that ranged in age from 13 to approximately $1,200,000,0~it is actually greater than that. 20 years, and she scrapped or diverted from completion as Upon the basis of a 20-year replacement program, this would capital ships 11 which were under construction and upon which mean an annual outlay of $60,000,000--an outlay not for addi $149,251,961 had been expended. Both nations were permitted. tional ships of any type but for ships of types which upon tak to carry to completion certain capital ships that were under ing their place in the fleet would mean the retirement of like construction to take the place of certain older craft in both tonnage. Suppose the age limit were extended 50 per cent. fleets, as I have already indicated. This would mean 30 years. Automatically the annual replace Now, let me come to the second question of the gentleman, ment cost would be reduced from $60,000,000 to $40,000,000. as to what the additional costs to the United States would have Twenty million dollars is a sizable item. It is greater t11an been for the maintenance of her 'Naval Establishment had it not the annual cost of maintaining the essential international arm been for the Washington conference. No definite answer can of the Government service, the Department of State. be given. Any answer must be speculative. The United States At the Geneva conference the British delegates proposed scrapped 15 capital ships, only 1 of which was 20 years of age. marked reduction in replacement schednles-26 years for capital Would we have retained these ships in commission? Or, upon· ships, 24 years for 8-gun cruisers, 20 years for destroyers, and their becoming obsolete would we have authorized their re-· 15 years for supmarines. The United States delegation did not placement? I do not believe we would have retained them in support this program, adhering to the 20-year schedule for commission, though whether or not the United States would capital ships of the Washington conference and proposing 20 have replaced them by new craft would probably have been years for cruisers, 15 to 17 years for destroyers, and 12 to 13 contingent upon programs of other nations. Had they been re years for submarin~s. In the interest of economy in military tained in commission it would have meant from twenty to burdens a way should be found to maintain parity of strength twenty-five million dollars annually. And had they been re with economy of replacement. placed it would have meant approximately $30,000,000 each PROPAGANDA upon the basis of the tonnage that they carried. It would have Now, let me return to the question which has been asked . cost to have completed the 11 capital ships that we were build by my friend from New York [Mr. LAGUARDIA] with regard to ing some $300,000,000 over and above what we had expended the built up and manufactured sentiment that for years has upon them at the time they were scrapped. demanded greater and still greater programs. Replacement cost of these ships would h~ve meant approxi Due credit must be given at all times to earnest men and mately $20,000,000 annually. Maintenance would have meant women as they have urged shipbuilding programs. We must annually approximately $24,000,000. But we can not stop here. make due allowance for honest difference of opinion. Even so, Ships of other types would need to have been added to " round it is citing the most common trait of humanity to point' out that out u the fighting craft. personal self-interest largely dominates and controls the con Any answer to the gentleman's question must be speculative, clusions of people of our country and of all other countries. but it could well be that the annual naval budget for the United I shall not attempt at this time to indicate the interest that States would have been from one hundred and fifty to two many people have ·in maintaining the largest possible Naval hundred million dollars in excess of what it has been but for . Establishment. I have never yet seen a police force in any city the Washington conference. It could have been more. regardless of shrinking population who stood in favor of reduc Mr. TREADWAY. Will the gentleman yield? tion of the police force. Mr. FRENCH. Yes. Members of this Congress and citizens of our country must Mr. TRE-ADWAY. Is it not a fact that Secretary Hughes, in constantly bear in mind that the advice and counsel of people behalf of the United States, laid out the program ·at the very who have personal interests ought not to have the same weight first meeting here in Washington? , that should be attached to the sound judgment of those who are .Mr. FRENCH. Surely. It was an American program. students of a problem and who have no ax to grind. I have 1\Ir. TREADWAY. And it was practically carried out in the been to some pains to check up on what the cost has been to end? - our Government in the navy yards for the new work we have Mr. FRENCH. Yes; upon matters upon which agreement done since the program of 1916 was adopted. Let me refer to was had. work in both· Government yards and in private yards. In the Mr. LAGUARDIA. W"ill the gentleman yield? Government navy yards between 1916 and 1929 this country Mr. FRENCH. Yes. expended for new construction work more than $221,000,000. I Mr. LAGUARDIA. IS" it not true that the idea of being out shall insert a table showing the expenditures by yards. maneuvered was brought about by organized propaganda which Ne-w construction 1corl~, Unitelt State8 navy yards, during the periocl now has been entirely discredited? 1916 to 19!9, inclusive Mr. FRENCH. Yes; and I want to take just a few minutes {Data as of November 12, 1929, Bureau of Supplies and Accounts, Navy later on to call attention to propaganda. Let me proceed for Department) anotl1er minute to the matter of replacement, which I think is Portsmouth------$36,470,170.35 Boston------~----- 17,670,971.70 the fourth big factor that should be considered by the London Torpedo station, Newport______113.48 conference. NewPhiladelphia York------______57,539,544.9916,906,102.13 ! REPLACEMENT PROGRAMS VVashington ------854,925.76 Having in mind not greatest possible efficiency but efficiency Dahlgren------~------23,914.18 that is relative and that is adequate, and having in mind Budget Norfolk------13,914,459.36 considerations, agreement should be attained upon the question Charleston ------5, 365, 294. 24 of replacement. Pensacola------74!>, 584. 06 MareNew Orleans------Island______43, 703,030, 292.201. 4976 The replacement age of a ship of any type within a compara Puget Sound ______..______27, 762, 708. 95 tively wide range of years is not absolute, but relative. Assum Pearl Harbor______13,790.32 ing equal tonnage and structure and equipment and upkeep, a Cavite------7,785.53 battleship of 25 or 30 years would not be as efficient as a battle Total ______22l,Ol2,8u9 .30 ship of 20. Newer machinery, later designs of important ele ments, would turn the balnnce in favor of the more nearly The figures to which I have referred pertain to new work in modern craft. Government ·navy yards. Now, may I direct attention to ex If nation A were to follow an arbitrary replacement program penditures by way of repairs and alterations to vessels of the of 20 years and nation B of 30, it would go without argument fleet and repairs to ships' equipage in · the Government navy that the navy of A, other things being equal, would be superior yards during the same period ,of time? During this period the to the navy of B. But if A and B adopt identical replacement Government expended more than $431,000,000. I shall insert programs, then parity in this regard is achieved. Such a pro· at this point a table showing how this money was allocated and gram means for economy. where it was expended. Expenditure& for fleet maintenance, United State& Naoy, fiscal years 1916 to 19t9, inclusioe,/or repair~ and alterations to fle&sels an.d repairs to ship's equipage Repairs to Repairs Alterations ship's equipage Total Navy yard, Portsmouth, N. H------$7,383, 'l!J7. 94 $5,805,029. 13 $568, 275. 07 $13,756,602. 14 Navy yard, Boston, Mass------19,440,293.77 23,179,189.03 2, 826, 120. 37 45, 445,603. 17 Naval ammunition depot, Hingham, Mass_------______---- 1, 174. 72 1, 174.72 Navnl training station, Newport, R. !_------98,726.07 508. 45 28,874. 18 128,103. 70 Naval torpedo station, Newport, R. L------··-·------·-- 11,239.40 94.33 989,368.83 1, 000, 702. 56 1978 CONGRESS! ON AL RECORD-HOUSE JANUARY 20 Expenditure& for fleet mai11Unan~, United Stat~ Nat11J, fi8C4lvears 1918 to 19S9, in~usil;e, for repairs and alteratiom to fJesstlB and repairs toship's equipage-Continued Repairs to Repairs Alterations ship's equipage Total Naval station, :Narragansett Bay, R. L------~------$2.97 ______• $2.97 Submarine base, New London, Conn ______:______11,819.49 ---$837:9o ------$i9a-93- 12,850.32 Navy yard, New York, N. Y ------~------21,678, 741.95 23, TI8, 333. 76 3, MO, 583. 13 48,437,658.84 Naval air station, Rockaway Beach, N. Y------~ ------.,164. 95 4, 164.95 Navy yard, Philadelphia, Pa..·------19,911,326.73 'n, 774,424.92 2. 324,917.87 50, 01~ 669. 52 Naval ammunition depot, Fort Mifflin, Pa·------1, 1U. 81 1, 114.81 Naval aircraft factory, Philadelphia, P&.------56,483. M ------56,483. 54 Naval Academy, Annapolis, Md .. ------246.45 ------246.45 Navy yard, Washington, D. C •.. ------840,708.29 240,485. 45 114,615. 25 1,195; 808.99 ~~E.1{rf.S~~~:;~:~=~~~~~=~=~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~:~:==~~~~==:~ --~"f~~- --~~~~~~~- ::~~~~=~~ ~~e ~ ~:~~ ~e~~in~~~~~!if~~~~~~~~---·_-_:~::::::::::=:-_:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::=::::::: ------~~~~~- :=:::::::::::::: t ~~ ~ {: ~~~ ~ Navy yard, Charleston, S. C------7, 996,724. 77 3,182, 592.34 432.977.33 11,612,294.44 Naval station, Key West, Fla------463,683. 16 25,405.88 77,624.81 666,773.85 Naval air station, Pensacola, Fla.------839, 4.97. 88 63,236. 52 14.0, 829. 32 1, M3, 563. 72 Naval station, New Orleans, La .. ------·-·------1, 694,413.83 476, 4.65. 89 57,489. 39 2. 228,369.11 Naval training station, Great Lakes, Ill __ ------373. 67 ------____ ------______~73. 67 ·Navy yard, Mare Island, CaliL ------22.971,573. 18 11, 6'n, 570.11 2, 819,192. 61 37, US, 335.00 Naval operating base, San Diego, Calif.------·------·------2, 06L 14 ·------2. 061.14 Naval supply depot, San Diego, Calif.______214.96 ------214.96 Destroyer repair base, San Diego, CaliL------203, 169.70 1. 03 1, 724. 'n ro4, 895. 00 Naval air station, San Diego, Calii. ------741.96 741.96 Navy yard, Puget Sound, Wash .. ------·------~ ------19,860,706.13 14,371,342.48 4, 571,973.75 38,810,022.36 • Naval ammunition depot, Puget Sound, Wash------8, 738.55 8;738. 55 Naval air station, Lakehurst, N. J------·------168,221.95 53,878.33 40,640. Z1 262,740. 55 Marine basin, Ulmer Park, Brooklyn, N. Y ------~------25,679.63 235.81 3, 614.54 29,529. 9& Naval station, Guantanamo, Cuba ------~------~------115,309.25 1, 263.52 5, 428.11 122.000.88 Submarine base, Coco Solo, Canal Zone·------$33,316.55 $1, 175.44 $1,512.00 66, 003.99 Naval station, Pearl Harbor, Hawaii ... ------~------4, 965,962. 47 1, 918,395.74 375,675.34 7, 260,033.551 t~~~;~t~~~~;'f~fl~~~~r ~ii::au=:::::::::====~=:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ------~~~~~~~~- ::::::::::::~:: 1, ~~i ~ t ~5: ~ Submarine base, Cavite, P. L------498.40 ------28.00 526.40 M:;:i t;ittfK;.8t~~~t.~;~ii~::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::=:::::::::::::::::::::::::::~~ --~~~: ~~~~- ___ :~~~~~~~- r~ ~~i ~~ ----~~~~-~~~ Naval station, TntuHa. Samoa._ .------848.10 ------848.10 Naval station, Guam. Midway Islands .... ------12, 195.02 3.18 7, 832.30 20,030.60 7,387. 26 ~:~~ ~=: ~~eg~a~~izone~~~~~--~~~=~~~=~===~~======~==::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ------i,-923:oo· ------~~~~~~------58."44- 1, 981.44 Training camp, Seattle, Wash·------~------1, 982.94 ------1, 982.94 Ships and miscellaneous______72,997, 502.68 39,453, 5'n. 02 3, 871,312.36 116, 322,342.06 (31, 368,434.75 TotaL ___ ------. 228, 407, 673. 33 177, 656, 606.90 25, 304, 154. 52 1 Credit. It will appear from the foregoing tables that the Government great yards that are under the Government of Great Britain bas expended for new work and for repair work in the Govern and private industry in much the same manner as bas the ment navy yards between the years 1916 and 1929 m:ore than United States. $650,000,000. But, Mr. Speaker, the expenditure of such vast sums o:f money We now come to the private shipbuilding comp;;tnies, and we either in public yards or yards in private ownership can not be find that the expenditure is vastly larger for the same period of made withouf creating a deep personal interest in the carrying time than was the expenditure in the Government yards. forward of shipbuilding programs by individuals, by groups. At this point I shall insert a table that will show the moneys and by communities who are engaged_in the business of ship paid out by the United States during the years in question to the building, either as contractors or as employees or as member~ outstanding shipbuilding and construction companies in carry of cities and communities where great industrial establishments ing forward naval programs. for naval purposes. are maintained. Money paia to principal private sMpbuilders for oonstruotion ancl tlur- · The recent investigations by the Senate of tbe United States . chase of vessel8 SEc. 2. If tolls are charged for the use of such bridge, the rates of BRIDGE ACROSS THE CHOCTAWHATCHEE RIVER toll shall be so adjusted as to provide a fund sufficient to pay the rea sonable cost of maintaining, repairing, and operating the bridge and its The next business on the Consent Calendar was the bill (H. R. 5415), to legalize a bridge across the Choctawhatchee River be approaches under economical management, and to provide a sinking fund tween Hartford and Bellwood, Ala. which, together with the sinking fund created from the toll~ from other bridges authorized by the law of the State of Tennessee wh1ch provides The Clerk read the title of the bill. for the construction of the bridge to be built under this act, shall be The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the present sufficient to amortize the bonds issued under the laws of the State of consideration of the bill? 1.'ennessee, as soon as possible under reasonable charges, but within a There was no objection. period of not to exceed 25 years from the completion thereof. After a The Clerk read the bill, as follows: sinking fund sufficient for such amortization shall have been so pro Be it enacted, etc., That the bridge now being reconstructed across vided, such bridge shall thereafter be maintained and operated free the Choctawhatchee River between Hartford and Bt-llwood, Ala., by the of tolls, or the rates of toll shall thereafter be so adjusted as to provide Chattahoochee & Gulf Railroad Co., if completed in accordance with a fund of not to exceed the amount necessary for the proper mainte plans accepted by the Chief of Engineers and the Secretary of War, as nance, repair, and operation of the bridge and its approaches ~der providing suitable facilities for navigation, shall be a lawful structure, economical management. An accurate record of the costs of the bndge and shall be subject to the conditions and limitations of the act en and its approaches, the expenditures for maintaining, repairing, and titled "An act to regulate the construction of bridges over navigable operating the same, and of the daily tolls collected shall be kept and waters," approved March 23, 1906, other than those requiring the ap shall be available for the information of all persons interested. proval of plans by the Secretary of War and the Chief of E11gineet·s SEc. 3. That the right to alter, amend, or repeal this act is hereby before the bridge is commenced. expressly reserved. SEc. 2. The right to sell, assign, transfer, and mortgage all the The bill was ordered to be engrossed and read a third time, rights, powers, and privileges conferred by this act is hereby granted to was read the third time, and passed. the Chattahoochee & Gulf Railroad Co., its successors and assigns; and A motion to reconsider the vote by which the bill was passed any party to whom such rights, powers, and privileges may be sold, was laid on the table. a signed, or transferred, or who shall acquire the same by mortgage foreclosure or otherwise, is hereby authorized to exercise the same as BRIDGE ACROSS THE CLINCH RIVER fully as though conferred herein directly upon such party. The next business on the Consent Calendar was the bill (H. R. SEC. 3. 'J'he right to alter, amend, or repeal this act is hereby ex· 3655) granting the con ent of Congress to the Highway Depart pressly reserved. ment of the State of Tennessee to construct a bridge across the The bill was ordered to be engrossed and rea-d a third time, Clinch River near Kingston, in Roane County, Tenn. was read the third time, and passed. The Clerk read the title of the bill. A motion to reconsider the vote by which the bill was passed The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the present was laid on the table. consideration of the bill? There was no objection. BRIDGE ACROSS THE COLUMBIA RIVER The Clerk read the bill as follows: The next business on the Consent Calendar was the bill (H. R. Be it enacted, etc., That the consent of Congress is hereby granted 6317) authorizing J. C. Ten Brook (as mayor of Astoria, Oreg.), to the Highway Department of the State of Tenne see, and its suc his successors in office and assigns (or his heirs, legal repre cessor and assigns, to construct, maintain, and operate a free highway sentatives, and assigns), to construct, maintain, and operate a bridge and approaches thereto across the Clineh River, at a point suit bridge across the Columbia River at or near Astoria, Oreg., to able to the interests of navigation, near the town of Kingston, in Roane connect the Roosevelt Military Highway in Oregon with Wash County in the State of Tennessee, in accordance with· the provisions of ington Ocean Beach Highway. the act entitled "An act to regulate the construction of bridges over The Clerk read the title of the bill. navigable waters," approved March 23, 1906. The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the pres SEC. 2. That the right to alter, amend, or repeal this act is hereby ent consideration of the bill? expres ly reserved. Mr. COCHRAN of l\Iis ouri. Mr. Speaker, re erving the right to object, about a year or two ago I inserted in the CoNGRES The bill was ordered to be engrossed and read a third time, siONAL RECORD a clipping from one of the leading papers of the was read the third time, and passed. Northwest-- A motion to reconsider the vote by which the bill was passed Mr. L-AGUARDIA. Mr. Speaker, I have no objection to the was laid on the table. gentleman speaking, but we must preserve orderly procedure in BRIDGE ACROSS BAYOU BARTHOLOMEW the House. The next business on the Consent Calendar was the bill (H. R. Mr. COCHRAN of l\1issom1. I have reserved the right to objec:t, for a purpose. It is the proper procedure and it has been 5401) granting the consent of Congres~ to the police. j1_1ry of Morehouse Parish, La., or the State Highway Commission of done here many times to-day without objection. I promised Louisiana to construct, maintain, and operate free highway to make a statement with reference to the bill, and I make the reservation so that I can keep my promise. bridges across Bayou Bartholomew at o~ near each of the fol lowing-named points in Morehouse Parish, La. : Coras Bluff, 1\Ir. LAGUARDIA. The gentleman should permit the bill to Knox Ferry Bonners Ferry, and Parkers Ferry. be read and then move to strike out the last word, which would The Clerk read the title of the bill. - give him the privilege of speaking for five minutes. The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the present Mr. COCHRAN of Missouri. I have reasons for stating I con ideration of the bill? should like to carry on in my own way, which is not the way There was no objection. the gentleman would have me proceed. Mr. LAGUARDIA. Then the gentleman should ask unanimous The Clerk read the bill, as follows: COnSf'Dt. Be it enacted, etc., That the consent of Congress is hereby granted to Mr. COCHRAN of Mis ouri. Does the gentleman object to the police jury of Morehouse Pari~h, La., or the State Highway Com my making a statement? mission of Louisiana, and their successors and assigns, to construct, 1\lr. LAGUARDIA. No. maintain and operate tree highway bridges and approaches thereto Mr. COCHRAN of Mis ·ouri. Then I should like to say to the act·oss B~you Bartholomew, at points suitable to the interests of navi Hou. e that I inserted in the RECORD about two years ago a clip gation, at or near Coras Bluff, at or near Knox Ferry, at or near Bon ping from a Portland (Oreg.) paper, the Portland Oregonian, ners Ferry, and at or near Parkers Ferry, all within the pari~~ of showing that E. 1\1. Elliott was the promoter of this bridge at Morehouse, in the State of Louisiana, in accordance with the prons10ns of an act entitled ".An act to regulate the construction of bridges over that time. Elliott, as you know, is the promoter who I contend navigable waters," approved Mp.rch 23, 1906. has not acted properly in the handling of bridge projects and whose activities I have heretofore explained fully to the House. SEC. 2. The right to alter, amend, or repeal this act is hereby ex- Shortly thereafter the officials of Astoria eliminated Elliott pre sly reserved. from any connection with this project. I promised those inter With the following committee amendment: f'Sted in this bill that I would so advise the House; but further Page 2, line 2, strike out " Coras Bluff " and insert " Cory Bluffs." than thi I thin..k I have good and sufficient reasons why this The committee amendment was agreed to. bill should not be passed and, therefore, Mr. Speaker, I object. The bill as amended was ordered to be engrossed and read a Now the gentleman from New York [Mr. LAGUABDIA] will third time, was read the third time, and passed. understand why I did not desire the bill read. A motion to reconsider the vote by which the bill was passed CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION was laid on the table. The next business on the Consent Calendar was the bill The title was amended. (H. R. 5688) to authorize members of the Civil Senice Com- 1930 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 1985 miSSion and its duly authorized representatives to administer take the matter up with the department and either secure their oaths of office. approval of the form of the amendment or their suggestion as The Clerk read the title of the bill. to the way the situation should be met. In the department an The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the pres amendment was suggested to strike out my hurriedly written ent consideration of the bill? committee ame.ndment, and in lieu of that amend the bill so Mr. LAGUARDIA. Mr. Speaker, reserving the right to ob that it would apply the credit in this way: To the construction ject, we have a bill on the calendar, No. 23, in which the renewal charge now payable by the water users under their present of the oath is not necessary when there is a change of status contracts to the extent of the additional expense, if any, in and therefore I would suggest for the sake of orderly legislation curred by such water users in furnishing water to the unpro that this bill be so amended as to stop, in line 8, at the word ductive area while still in that status. ~~appointment," and to strike out 11 or change of status," in Mr. CRAMTON. Will the gentleman yield? order to keep it within the terms of another bill which will be Mr. LEAVITT. Yes. considered in a few minutes. If there is no objection to this Mr. CRAMTON. What will happen to the rest of the money amendment-- if all of it is not used in this way? The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman can offer the Mr. LEAVITT. It will go to reduce the charge-off that is amendment when the bill is read. now against these unproductive lands, or the suspended accounts. 1\Ir. L.AGUARDIA. I can make it subject to a reservation of Mr. CRAMTON. I think the gentleman's amendment will objection. If this amendment is satisfactory, I shall not object. have to include something with reference to that. So far as The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Clerk will report the bill. the amendment suggested is concerned, I am not disposed to The Clerk read as follows : . · be overcritical about the provision, and I think the amendment To authotize members of the Civil Service Commission and its du1y the gentleman now suggests is reasonable if these expenses are authorized representatives to administer oaths of office approved by the Reclamation Service. This would be my :first suggestion and, secondly, that it be clear that the balance that .Be it enacted, etc., That members of the Civil Service Commission is not used shall be a credit, as the bill provides, against the . and its duly authorized representatives are hereby · empowered and sums heretofore written off. Would the gentleman mind passing authorized to administer oaths of office, without compensation, to pros this over and bring it up later? pective officers and employees in the civil service of the United States, Mr. LEAVITT. Let the amendment be framed now. This required to be taken upon their appointment or change of status. was discussed in full with the legal head at the Bureau of With the following committee amendment: Reclamation, and that very intention is presumably now writ· ten into the amendment. In fact, the amendment was wlitten Page 1, line 4, strike out the words " duly authorized " at the begin by Mr. Dent, the legal head of the Reclamation Bureau. ning of the line, and after the word "representative" insert "duly Mr. STAFFORD. Will the gentleman yield? authorized for such purpose!' · Mr. LEAVITT. I yield. Mr. DYER. Mr. Speaker, I did not understand consent had Mr. STAFFORD. Will the gentleman inform the House as been. given. The gentleman from New York reserved the right to what the present extent of land is that a person can claim to object. I desired to make a reservation of objection if the on an irrigation project? gentleman withdrew his. · Mr. LEAVITT. Some farm units are 80 acres and some 160 The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman can make it. acres. It is not the same on all the various projects. Mr. DYER. I do not want to take the fl:Oor from the gentle . Mr. STAFFORD. Under the terms of the bill they allow any man from New York. person holding rights to take not more than 160 acres of totally Mr. LAGUARDIA. If the gentleman from Missouri desires to or temporarily unproductive land? object-- Mr. LEAVITT. Yes. Mr. DYER. I do not object to 1:he bill, but I do ask that the Mr. STAFFORD. In the actual operation these additional bill go over for the present. rights will go to those living near by? The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Missouri Mr. LEAVITT. Yes; that is necessary in order to give them asks unanimous consent that the ·bill be passed· over for the the opportunity of rounding out their homestead units. present. Is there objection? Mr. STAFFORD. Can the gentleman give the House some There was no objection. idea as to what is comprehended by "totally unproductive" DISPOSAL OF PUBLIO LAND ON FEDE&A.L IRRIG.ATION PROJECTS and "temporarily unproductive" land? Mr. LEAVITT. Back in 1926 Congress passed a law which The next business on the Consent Calendar was the bill provided for classification of these lands as productive, as tem (H. R. 156) to authorize the disposal of public land classified porarily and permanently unproductive land. as temporarily or permanently unproductive on .Federal irriga Mr. STAFFORD. I am familiar with that bill. tion projects. Mr. LEAVITT. In some cases temporarily unproductive The Clerk read the title of the bill. land was caused by seepage, or the soil. So far as the perma The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the pres nently unproductive land is con·cerned, it is on account of the ent consideration of the bill? soil or the topography, usually. Mr. CRAMTON and Mr. LEAVITT rose. Mr. STAFFORD. What would be the value of these lands Mr. CRAMTON. Reserving the right to object, Mr. Speaker, to the adjacent owner? I note the bill carries a committee amendment which does not Mr. LEAVITT. They will make additional grazing land, have the approval of the department1 has not been passed upon, and in some places by extending the ditch they will bring it so far as the report shows, by the ·department, and has to do into production of sweet clover, and so forth. with the disposition of the money resulting from the sale of 1\Ir. STAFFORD. Unproductive land is n·ot capable of sup these 1a.Rds. May I :first, before the gentleman from Montana _porting a family, but with other land it is of some value. This [Mr. LEAVITT] answers me, emphasize that the Government bill is along the line of the bill passed some time ago intro went to a large expense in developing certain irrigation proj duced by the gentleman from Nebraska, allowing a homesteader ects, and then later wrote off a large part of the construction to take additional land up to 640 acres because the arid land cost of certain projects because of the presence of these lands of 160 or 320 acres was not able to Support a family. that were held permanently unproductive? Hence the projects 1\Ir. LEAVITT. Yes. have already had a credit because of these unproductive lands Mr. CRAMTON. 1\Ir. Speaker, my suggestion now is in the within such projects. It is now propo ed to give the projects form of an amendment which I have prepared as a substitute a second credit under the amendment proposed by the com for the committee amendment. mittee. I will be glad to ask the gentleman from Montana Strike out all of line 16, after the word " the " and all of about that amendment. line 17, and insert in lieu thereof the following : Mr. LEAVITT. Mr. Speaker, the amendment referred to by the gentleman from Michigan [Mr. CRAMTON] was offered by me Construction charge now payable by the water users under their in the committee to provide a way to encourage the water users' present contracts to the extent of the additional expense if any in boards on some of the reclamation projects to bring under pro curred by such water users in furnishing water to the unproductive duction areas now classed as temporarily or permanently un area while still in that status as approved by the Commissioner of productive. My information is that this can be done only at Reclamation, and the balance as a credit to the sums heretofore writ· some expense to the people on the projects. ten otl' in accordance with said act of May 25, 1926. I offered the amendment in committee with this promise. Mr. LEAVlTT. That is satisfactory. It was hurriedly drawn, the bill having been reached unex 1\fr. LaGUARDIA. These rights are to go to the adjoining pectedly in the committee, and the promise was that I would abutter ~r the adjoining owner? 1986 CQNGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE JANUARY 20 . 1\Ir. LEAVITT. It might not be necessarily the adjoining recite that the lands so patented have been clu sifted as temporarily or abutter ; he might be some little distance. permanently unproductive, as the cuse may be, under the adjustment Mr. LAGUARDIA. What I have in mind is to protect the act of May 25, 1926. Such patents shall also contain a reservation of joint owner or abutter from having an outsider come in and a lien for water charges when deemed appropriate by the Secretary and get in the land. reservations of coal or other mineral rights to the same extent us Mr. LEAVITT. He could not be an outsider; -he must be an patents issued under the homestead laws. entryman resident on the project. SEc. 5. In the absence of a contrary requirement in the contracts Mr. LAGUARDIA. Exactly; but I should think the abutting between the United States and the water users' organization or district owner ought to have the preference. assuming liability for the payment of project construction charges, all Mr. LEAVITT. Of course, it is expected that he would in sums collected hereunder from the sale of lands, from the payment of practice have a preference. These sales would be promoted project construction charges on "temporarily unproductive" or "perma by the water-users' board. I do not mean that they are the nently unproductive" lands so sold, and (except as stated in this sec owners and would be able to sell them in place of the Govern tion) from water rentals, shall inure to the reclamation fund as a credit ment, but the whole plan is being worked out by the water to the sums heretofore. written off in accordance with said act of May users' board. 25, 1926. Where water rental collections hereunder are in excess of the Mr. LAGUARDIA. May I put it this way, that it is the current operation and maintenance charges, the excess as determined by intent of the bill and the supporters of the bill that, all things !he Secretary, shall, in the absence of such contrary contract provision, being equal, the abutting-an adjacent owner-has a preference mure to the reclamation fund as above provided, but in all other cases of purchase·. the water rentals collected under this act shall be turned over to or Mr. LEAVITT. That is the intention, yes. retained by the operating district or association, where the project or Mr. DOUGLAS of Arizona. l\Ir. Speaker, will the gentleman part of the project from which the water rentals were collected is being yield? operated and maintained by an irrigation district or water users' associa Mr. LEAVITT. Yes. tion under contract with the United States. l\fr. DOUGLAS of Arizona. Referring to the amendment oc SEc. 6. The Secretary of the Interior is authorized to perform any curring on page 2, beginning in line 9, on reading the report and all acts and to make all rules and regulations necessary and proper I take it that that amendment is designed for the purpose of for carrying out the purposes of this act. giving the Secretary the right to di pose of areas parts of The following committee amendments were severally reported which are productive and parts of which are nonproductive, and severally agreed to: the part which is nonproductive not being sufficiently large in size to support a family. Page 2, line 9, after the word "acre," insert: Mr. LEAVITT. That is true. ".A.nd prrwided further, That the authority given hereunder shall apply Mr. DOUGLAS of Arizona. Is that the purpose of the not only to tracts wholly classified as temporarily or permanently un amendment? productive, but also to all tracts of public lands within Federal irriga Mr. LEAVITT. As the bill was originally introduced it did tion projects which by reason of the inclusion of lands classified as not specify that; but in the study of the bill it was discovered temporarily or permanently unproductive are found by the Secretary to that there are areas of 20 acres, we will say, of which 17 or be insufficient to support a family and to pay water charges." 18 are unproductive and 2 or 3 acres productive. This would Page 3, line 1, after the word "classified," insert "in whole or in make it possible to sell the whole 20 acres in order that it may part."· be sold by legal subdivisions. The Clerk read as follows: Mr. DOUGLAS of Arizona. Might it not, then, be advisable in line 14, page 2, after the word " of," to insert the word Page 3, after the word " the," strike out the words "sums heretofore "contiguous." written off in accordance with said act of May 25, 1026 " and insert Mr. LEAVITT. They are not contiguous in the usual sense; "construction cost charged agains.t the project involved." they are included within. The classifications on the project Mr. LEAVITT. Mr. Chairman, I offer the following substi are made ty legal subdivisions, and it is not intended that tute for the committee amendment which I send to the desk. the Secretary would have the authority to go outside of a legal The Clerk read as follows : subdivision, with a majority of unproductive land, and add other unproductive land to that. Amendment offered by Mr. LEAVITT as a substitute to the committee amendment: On page 3, in line 16, strike out the balance of line 16 ~Ir. DOUGLAS of Arizona. If the gentleman means outside and all of line 17 after the word " the " and insert in lieu thereof the of the district. following: Mr. LEAVITT. Outside only of the legal subdivision. Pe1·· haps I can make it plainer in this way. The classification is by " Construction charge now payable by the water users under their pres 40-acre areas, we will say, and it is not intended that to the ent contracts to the extent of the additional expense, if any, incurred legal subdivision there can be added productive lands outside by such water users in furnishing water to the unproductive area while except by legal subdivision. It would have to come in with a still in that status, as approved by the Commissioner of Reclamation, legal subdivision within which it is included. and the balance as a credit to the sums heretofore written off in Mr. DOUGLAS of Arizona. And the gentleman thinks the accordance with said net of May 23, 1926." word " contiguous " would partially destroy the purpose of the The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on agreeing to bill? the amendment in the nature of a substitute. Mr. LElA VITT. I think it would. This was carefully worked The substitute was agreed to. out by the department. The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on agreeing to The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection? the amendment as amended. The1·e was no objection. The amendment was agreed to. The bill is as follows: The bill was ordered to be engrossed and read a third time, Be it enacted, etc., That the Secretary of the Interior, hereinafter was read the third time, and pas ed. . styl~d the Secretary, is authorized in connection with Federal irriga A motion to reconsider the vote by which the bill was passed tion projects to dispose of vacant public lands designated under the aet was laid on the table. of May 25, 1926, as temporarily unproductive or permanently unpro GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL PARKWAY ductive to resident farm owners and resident entrymen on Federal irrigation projects, in accordance with the ·provisions of this net. Mr. CRAMTON. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent, by SEC. 2. That the Secretary is authorized to sell such lands to resi reason of a request made to me, that the next bill, H. R. 26, for dent farm owners or resident entrymen, on the project upon which such the acquisition, establishment, and development of the GMrge land is located, at prices not ll'ss than that fixed by independent Washington Memorial Parkway along the Potomac from Mount appraisal approved by the Secretary, and upon such terms and at pri Vernon and Fort Washington to Great Falls, be pa. sed over vate sale or at public auction as he may prescribe: Prot'ided, That no to-day and hold its place without prejudice on the calendar. such resident farm owner or resident entryman shall be permitted to The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection? purchase under this act more than 160 acres of such land, or an area Mr. LAGUARDIA. Mr. Speaker, reserving the right to ob which, together with land already owned on sueh Federal irrigation ject, I have no objection to passing it over, but I gi're notice project, sl1all exceed 320 acres. that I do not believe a bill of this kind ought to be considered SEC. 3. All "permanently unproductive" and "temporarily unpro on the Consent Calendar, and I say that without in any way ductive " land now or hereafter designated under the act of May 25, expressing my views of the merits of the bill. I think the 1926, shall, when sold, remain subject to sections 41 and 43 of the supporters of the bill should find other parliamentary means of said act. The exchange provi tons of section 44 of said act of May 25, bringing it before the House. 1926, shall not be applicable to the land purchased under this act. Mr. CRAMTON. We are endeavoring to do so, but if the SEC. 4. After the purchaser has paid to the United States all amounts gentleman objects it will go off. I am making this request, as I due on the purchase price of said land a patent shall issue which shall promised I would. 1930 CONGRESSIONAL R~CORD-HOUSE 1987 The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to its being ELIMINATING RENEWAL OF OATH OF GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES UNDER passed over without prejudice? CERT.A.IN CONDITIONS There was no objection. The next business on the Consent Calendar was the bill ' SENDING AND RECEr:PT OF STOLEN PROPEB.TY THROUGH INTERSTATE (H. R. 5277) to eliminate the renewal of oath of office of Gov COMMERCE ernrrrent employees under certain conditions. The next business on the Consent Calendar was the bill The title of the bill was read. (H. R. 119) to prohibit the sencling and receipt of stolen prop The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there ohjection? erty through interstate and foreign commerce. .A MEMBER. Reserving the right to object, Mr. Speaker, I The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the pres ~h ~o. ask whether these oaths are merely verbal or are put ent consideration of the bill? m wnting and fil ed? Mr. HOOPER. I reserve the right to object. Mr. GRAHAM. They are put in writing and filed. This is Mr. COLLINS. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that merely to prevent a repetition. the bill be passed over without prejudice. I have objections Mr. WINGO. Reserving-the right to object, Mr. Speaker, is that I want to incorporate in the RECoRD to the bill as it is there any reason other than that given by the gentleman? Is framed now. If it is passed, I shall incorporate those objec that the reason, that a man need not make two oaths? tions in the RECORD. Mr. GRAHAM. That is the department's opinion, and that is The SPEAKER pro tempore. Tbe gentleman from Missis the report of our committee. sippi asks un&nimous consent that this bill be passed over .Mr. LAGU~DIA. The department has already dispensed without prejudice. . w1th the taking of a new oath on a promotion or increase of salary. Mr. WINGO. Mr. Speaker, reserving the right to object, I Mr. WINGO. Are these the only cases where that is done? think a bill of this importance should be considered other than Mr. GRAHAM. That is all. under unanimous consent. It enlarges the jurisdiction of the Mr. WINGO. If an employee should become chief clerk Federal court enormously, and I think a bill of such impor would that require him to take another oath under those con~ tance should be considered under such a parliamentary status ditions? as would give ample time to consider and amend it. Mr. GRAHAM. No. That would be me'rely a change of Mr. GRAHAM. Mr. Speaker, the bill is in exactly the same status. form as it was reported unanimously from our committee in the The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection? last Congress and passed by the House. There was no objection. Mr. WINGO. I did not have occasion or opportunity to study The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Clerk will report the bill. that bill. A an illustration to show that it might be wise to The Clerk read as follows : carefully consider some of these proposals to remedy alleged defects in the law, I might cite a statement in the report on Be it enacted, etc., That employees of the executive departments and the bill claiming this act. is necessary in order to punish fraudu independent establishments who upon original appointment have sub lent transfers in bankruptcy cases, when existing law is ample s.cribed to the oath of office required by section 16 of title 5 of the to punish such frauds. United States Code shall not be required to renew the said oath be· Mr. GRAHAM. I will say to the gentleman that if he will cause of any cbn.nge in status so long as their services are continuous ask unanimous consent that the bill be pas ed over without in the same executive department or independent establishment unless prejudice I hall not object. in the o_pinion of the head of the £>xecutive department or ind~pendent Mr. WINGO. We already have congestion in the Federal establishment, the public interests require such renewal. courts. This proposal, if enacted into law would add to the With an amendment as follows: congestion, because it would bring into Federal courts every On page 1, line 5, strike out "16 of title 5 of the United States case of larceny involving an interstate movement, even petty Code" and insert "1757 of the Revised Statutes (sec. 16, title o, U. S. larceny. When the Dyer Act was passed the prediction was Code)." made by me that the next step would be that such a bill as this would be brought in. It was stated then that no one The SPEJAKER pro tempore. The question is on agreeing to w0uld ever undertake to put this enormous burden on the Fed the amendment. eral courts, but we have reached just that point now. The amendment was agreed to. Mr. GRAHAM. Our committee had no idea that it would be The bill was ordered to be engrossed and read a third time brought in at that time. was read the third time, and passed. ' .Mr. WINGO. When the CFiestion was raised and I predicted A motion to reconsider the last vote was laid on the table. that, I was accused of seeing imaginary things. INDUSTRIAL REFORMATORY AT CHILLICOTHE, OHIO Mr. CRAMTON. Mr. Speaker, I see the Judiciary Committee has a number of bills on the Consent Calendar. In view of the The next business on the Consent Calendar was the bill (H. R. fact that the committee will have Calendar Wednesday of this 973) to remove the age limits of persons who may be confined at week, I think we ought now to avoid controversial bills from the United Industrial Reformatory at Chillicothe, Ohio. that committee. The title of the bill was read. Tbe SPEAKER. Is there objection to the p1·esent considera Mr. WINGO. My suggestion to the gentleman is that be tion of the bill? bring this bill up later, when it can receive more consideration Mr. GREENWOOD. Reserving the right to object, Mr. and we have full opportunity to amend it, so as to avoid load ing down the Federal courts with petty larceny cases that should Speak~r, does t?is last paragraph give the pardoning power autbonty to deSignate the place where prisoners are to be con be tried in local police courts. fined-a power which was formerly allowed to the court? Mr. MICHENER. Regular order, Mr. Speaker. The SPEAKER pro tempore. The regular order is, Is there . Mr. GRAHAM. No; that is not changed at alL This is objection? s?Dply to remov~ the age limits, the lower limit and the upper limit, so as to give the court a discretionary power not to be Mr. WINGO. I had an idea that such a demand made by a limited by the arbitrary figures of 17 and 30 for if the limit gentleman from his seat would not be recognized by the pre ~ent six months below 17, or a year below, the physical condi siding officer under the rule. The gentleman who made the tion or development of the person might be of such a character demand was evidently getting impatient because he was inter that the court ought t~ se~d hi~ to one of the industrial places ested in another bill which he wished to have taken up. of confinement, and thiS bill will permit this to be done. This The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman is correct. I only remove the limit up and the limit down and leaves it in think also the gentleman from Arkansas violated the rule when the hands of the court. he began to talk. Mr. GREENWOOD. I have no objection to that feature but Mr. WINGO. Did I violate the rule? I want to inquire about the last paragraph, which reads: ' The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Chair thinks so. Mr. WINGO. I addressed the Chair and reserved the right It shall be sufficient for the courts to sentence said class of offenders to object; therefore under the rule I had a right to speak. to imprisonment in the penitentiary without specifying the particular Mr. HOLADAY. Regular order, Mr. Speaker. penitentiary or the United States industrial reformatory, and tbe im The SPEJAKER pro tempore. The regular order is Is there prisonment shall be in such penitentiary or the United States industrial objection to the present consideration of this bill? ' reformatory as the Attorney General shall from time to time designate. Mr. WINGO. I regret the necessity, but I shall have to Mr. GRAHAM. I will say to the gentleman that that is the object to rushing through by unanimous consent this bill. present law and that is not changed. The only cbano-e that is The SPEA..Kll."R pro tempore. Objection is heard. The Clerk made is in the age ~its, the lower limi_t and the higher limit. will report the next bill. The rest of the act Is the same as it is now. \ 1988 CONGRESSION An RECORD-HOUSE JANUARY 20 l\Ir. GREENWOOD. I have no objection to that; but I Mr. LAGUARDIA. Will the gentleman yield to me? thought this changed the law by allowing the Attorney General Mr. HUDDLESTON. Certainly. to designate instead of permitting the court to do it. Mr. LAGUARDIA. I went through this question very l\Ir. GRAHAM. No. thoroughly, and I want to say to the gentleman that under Mr. COCHRAN of Missouri. If the gentleman will permit, existing law the limit where men can be sent to the reformatory is it not a fact that the training school for boys here in the is between the ages of 17 and 30 years. All that this does is to Di trict of Columbia is filled to capacity and that the judges strike out the age limit, so that if a boy comes a few mouths must have some places to send the young men? within either end of the limit, the judge may still commit him :Mr. GRAHAM. That is an added reason. to this institution. The rest of the law remains exactly as it is. Mr. GUEENWOOD. I shall not object. Of course, he must also be a first offender. Mr. STAFFORD. Mr. Speaker, under the reservation of Mr. HUDDLESTON. The difficult~~ in the situation is that objection, I wish to make an inquiry. As I recall, when this we ha"Ve observed on the calendar here that the gentleman's organic act was under consideration by the House con iderable committee has asked unanimous con ent for bills of general attention was given to the age limit, and I understood it was importance creating new Federal crimes that are certainly the intention of those who favored this reformatory-the first worthy of some consideration, and we are unable to pick out in the hi tory of the Government-to have it for juvenile in advance which of the bills may be minor and which may offenders. You are now lifting the age limit absolutely, and be major, because some of them we have found out were of I would like to inquire whether the committee gave any major importance. consideration whatsoever to placing some higher limit than 30 Mr. LAGUARDIA. I will say to the gentleman that I agree years? that some of the bills-- Mr. GRAHAM. No. The Department of Ju tice requested Mr. HUDDLES'rON. I think we ought not to meddle with the removal of both limits. They said that oftentimes the con our criminal law under unanimous consent. dition of the person who was to be committed was so abnormally Mr. LAGUARDIA. I agree that some of the bills should low at 30 that he could be considered as under the age of 30, be considered in that way, but this bill happens to be one of and that at the other limit the .,arne rule would apply. minor importance. Mr. STAFFORD. Then it is not the intention of the com Mr. HUDDLESTON. I think this is a bill that should be mittee to change the character of the institution from that of considered in the way I have indicated, and I ugge t the a reformatory and make it a place for housing aU classes of committee take this up on Calendar Wednesday, when it can be criminals? considered further. I object, Mr. Speaker. 1\lr. GRAHAM. No; this is for first offenders only. Mr. GREENWOOD. Did I understand the chairman of the BUBSORIPTION CHARGES FOB :NEWSPAPERS, MAGAZINES, AND OTHER committee to say that the last paragraph of the bill is existing P.ER.IODIOALB law? The next business on the Consent Calendar was the bill (H. R. l\Ir. GRAHAM. Yes. 976) providing that subscription charges for newspapers, maga Mr. GREENWOOD. Then why is it put in this bill? zines, and other periodicals for official use may be paid for in Mr. LAGUARDIA. If the gentleman will examine the report advance. he will find the change in brackets. If he will take the report The Clerk read the title of the bill. he will find that the matter stricken out is contained in brackets The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the present on the third and fourth lines. That is the only change made. consideration of the bill? Mr. GRAHAM. We do not reenact or change the old law. Mr. O'CONNELL of New York. Mr. Speaker, re erving the As the report of the committee shows, the words "between the right to object, and I am not going to object, I will say to the ages of 17 and 30 years" are stricken out. Now, in order to put chairman of the committee that it took a long while for a com that amendment in the law we have to recite the old law. The mittee of the House to get around to the proce of subscribing law is recited, but the committee has not acted upon the old for magazines and newspapers. Heretofore, as I understand it, law in any of its particulars, and there is nothing but that one the rule has been to have the Government order the magazine, change made by this bill. have it delivered for a whole year, and then compel the pub Mr. HUDDLESTON. Mr. Speaker, further reserving the lishers to wait until the end of the year for their money. I right to object, may I ask the gentleman from Pennsylvania commend the committee for this change, which i' very salutary. whether his committee has not the call on the calendar within Mr. LAGUARDl:A. Will the gentleman yield? a few days? Mr. O'CONNELL of New York. Yes. Mr. GRAHAM. We have the calendar call next Wednesday, Mr. LAGUARDIA. Does the Literary Digest approve of this I think. Mr. HUDDLESTON. May I ask the gentleman why he does bill? not take up bills of this general importance on an occasion like Mr. o·com""ELL of New York. Yes; I suppose it does. that when they may be discussed and explained. [Laughter.] Mr. GRAHAM. I will reply to the gentleman by saying that Mr. HUDDLESTON. 1\Ir. Speaker, reserving the right t~ by the advice and with the approval of the committee I have object, may I suggest to the gentleman from New York that sought for a Consent Calendar day so as to remove a large part the only reason a subscriber has to pay in advance for a maga of this business because of the very important and heavy zine or other periodical is a matter of responsibility. It is as calendar we will have for Calendar Wednesday. sumed that a publisher is responsible, and that he does not If there is anything here that is not controversial, we would know the subscriber, and therefore can not extend the sub· like to have it disposed of in this way and the balance of the scriber credit. Except for this there would be no sense in business, which the committee has carefully prepared and re requiring payment for a periodical in advance any more than ported out, can then be considered on Calendar Wednesday. payment in advance for anything else. Here is a case in which Mr. HUDDLESTON. A bill such as this is a matter of gen the sub .. criber is infinitely better known and more respon ible eral legislation and of general interest and probably of great than the publisher. Why should the subscriber take the 1iSk? importance. It is impossible to know whether it is of a con I see no reason for it. I object to the bill, Mr. Speaker. troversial nature until we have heard it explained and have Mr. GRAHAM. If the gentleman will pardon me a moment, had an opportunity to debate it. It occurs to me, in view of I would like to say to the gentleman that this bill was pre the imminence of the call of the gentleman's committee on sented by Mr. Madden in his lifetime in the last Congress, and Calendar Wednesday, bills of a general nature such as this was to avoid a practical difficulty which they were avoiding and everal others I notice here should be brought up in that without law. This is to give them the legal right, and instead way. of taking it every month they can subscribe in advance and 1\Ir. GRAHAM. If the gentleman will pardon me, I thought take the periodical for the department. It came from that this was such a simple matter and one so easily understood- committee through its chairman, was reported favorably ill Mr. HUDDLESTON. It is simple to the gentleman, but we the last Congress, and now again, ~fter due consideration, it have not heard the bearings and we have not examined the is unanimously reported by our committee for action of the law. House. Mr. GRAHAM. Anyone can read the report and grasp the l\lr. LAGUARDIA. Will the chairman add that this is pro· change without aid or assistance from anyone. vided in every appropriation bill? Mr. HUDDLESTON. The difficulty about reading the report Mr. HUDDLESTON. This bill is merely a concession to or reading the bill is that we have not the time. the publishers, and they are no better than anybody else, and Mr. GRAHA.l\1. It only takes half a minute. there is no reason why the Government should pay for a sub· Mr. HUDDLES'l'ON. Yes; but that is just what I have not scription in advance, and I insist on the objection. got to give to it. The SPEAKER pro tempore. Objection is heard. 1930 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE ~ 1989 TITLE TO LANDS OF 'IHE BEDS OF M.ALBEUR AND HARNEY LAKES, other Government agencies applications are filed in connection OREG. with certain matters and in every instance they require the ap plicant to submit their :fingerprints. · They have millions of The next business on the Consent Calendar was the bill (H. R. fingerprints. Even widows and dependent mothers are required 1198) to authorize the United States to be made a party de· to place fingerprints on applications in order to receive benefits fendant in any suit or action which may be commenced by the State of Oregon in the United States District Court for the Dis· under the veterans' act. Just think of it. It is an insult to trict of Oregon for the determination of the title to all or any them. If you are going to confine the division solely to criminal of the lands constituting the beds of Malheur and Harney records, then I have no objection, but here you put in " and Lakes in Harney County, Oreg., and lands riparian thereto, and other record ." I am sure no one wants to include only to all or any of the waters of said lakes and their tributaries, criminals, to which no one objects, but why did the committee together with the right to control the use thereof, authorizing amend the bill and add the words " and other "? What do you all persons claiming to have an interest in said land, water, or mean? the use thereof to be made parties or to intervene in said suit Mr. LAGUARDIA. I am going to offer an amendment to that. Mr. GRAHAM. I would like to say that what the gentle or action, and conferring jurisdiction on the United States man fi•om Missouri has been saying has no application what courts over such cau e. The Clerk read the title of the bill. ever to the matter of fingerprints. This has nothing to do with The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the pres· the bureau of the Department of Justice where criminal records ent consideration of the bill? are kept so as to be available anywhere in the United States. There was no objection. There are two classes of information that is gathere(l. One is criminal records, and another is the information that is The Clerk read as follows: gathered about criminals that is not a matter of record. That Be it enacted, etc., That the United States of America does hereby they do not give out, but the criminal records they do give out. consent to be made a party defendant in any suit or action which may That information is gathered for the department itself and its be commenced by the State of Oregon in the United States District agents, in order that they more effectually do their work. Court for the District of Oregon to determine the respective rights of Mr. LAGUAR_DIA. Let me say that I am going to offer an the United States, the State of Oregon, and any person or persons amendment to msert the word "criminal," and other criminal claiming any title to or interest in, or the right to the use of the lands, records asked for by the people who sponsored the bill. or any of them, constituting the beds of Malheur and Harney Lakes in The SPEAKER. Is there objection? Harney County, Oreg., and lands riparian thereto, and the waters of There was no objection. said lakes and of their tributaries, or of any, either, or all of them; The SPEAKER. The Olerk will report the bill. that any person claiming to have an interest in said lands, waters, or The Clerk read the bill, as follows : t he use thereof may be joined as plaintiff or defendant, or may inter vene in said suit or action. All parties to such suit shall have the same Be it enacted, etc., That there be, and there is hereby, established procedural rights, including rights of appeal and appellate writs, as in under the jurisdiction of the Department of Justice a division of the other similar cases between -private litigants, and shall be subject to the Bureau of Investigation to be known as the division of identification same jurisdiction of the said courts, and be bound and concluded by and information; that said division shall be vested with the duty of their decisions to the same extent. acquiring, collecting, classifying, and preserving criminal identification records and the exchanging of said criminal identification records with The bill was ordered to be engrossed and read a third time, the duly authorized officials of governmental agencies, of States, cities, was read the third time, and passed. and penal institutions; and that the cost of maintenance and operation A motion to reconsider was laid on the table. of said division shall be paid from the appropriation " Detection and ESTABLISHMENT OF A DIVISION OF IDENTIFIOATION AND INFO:R. prosecution of crimes " for the respective fiscal years concerned, as MATION otherwise provided. The next business on the Consent Calendar was the bill (H. R. The following committee amendiDent was read: 977) establishing under the jurisdiction of the Department of Line 8, after the W<>rd "identification," insert the words "and Justice a division of the Bureau of Investigation to be known other." as the division of identification and information. · The Clerk read the title of the bill. The committee amendment was agreed to. ) Mr. LAGUARDIA. Mr. Speaker, I have an amendment. j The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection? ) Mr. GREENWOOD. It strikes me that this is another bill After the committee amendment, page 1, line 8, after the word that ought to be taken up on committee day. " other," insert the word "criminal," so as to read " and other Mr. GRAHAM. If there ever was a small matter to be con criminal records." sidered, this bill pre ents it. It is to enable the department to Mr. GRAHAM. I have no objection to it. maintain its identification bureau. The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Clerk will report the Mr. GREENWOOD. I understand the necessity of having it; amendment. they are asking us to sanction what they have been doing for The Clerk read as follows : some time. Page 1, line 8, after the word "other," insert the word "criminal.'' Mr. GRAHAM. _ By a proper law, where it is now illegal. The amendment was agreed to. We are authorizing it so that it will be legalized so they can Mr. WATSON. Mr. Speaker, I was on my feet to ask a do it in the right way. question before the amendment was passed. May I have that Mr. GREENWOOD. I think it ought to be brought up on _ privilege now? committee day instead of being brought up by unanimous The SPEAKER · pro tempore. The gentleman may have consent. that privilege. Mr. GRAHAM. Well you allow me to say a word to those Mr. WATSON. I want to ask the gentleman whether the who criticize these bills? The present bill is on the calendar. amendme-nt includes criminal statistics as well as criminal After mature consideration the committee has reported tliese identification? bills. They present matters not of vital importance or re Mr. LAGUARDIA. Yes. quiring great study. Unless we can dispo.e of a number of The amendment was agreed to. these cases by unanimous consent you are going to clutter the The bill as amended was ordered to be engrossed and read a business of this committee to such an extent that they will be third time, was read the third time, and passed. unable to accomplish anything. A motion to reconsider was laid on the table. Let me add in addition that we have Calendar Wednesday, ! probably next Wednesday, and when we are through with that ThJroRM.ATION OO~CEBu..~ING VIOLATION OF NARCOTIC LAWS we will not be called again probably during thi session of the The next business on the Consent Calendar was the bill House. I beg gentlemen of the House not to interfere with the (H. R. 3395) authorizing the Commissioner of Prohibition to fair and proper disposition of the e minor bills upon this pay for information concerning violations of the narcotic laws calendar for they can be disposed of without obstructing im· of the United States. ; portant measures to be considered on Calendar Wednesday. I The Clerk read the title of the bill. want to say further that the bill passed the House at the last The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the pres se sion with a very few changes in the membership. ent consideration of the bill? ' Mr. COCHRAN of Missouri. Mr. Speaker, reserving the ri<>-ht l\fr. O'CONNOR of New York. Mr. Speaker, reserving the to object, this is a very important bill, and I have talked with right to object, is this bill a forerunner of another bill which the chairman of the committee about it. It uses the words the committee may bring in to pay for information with respect " and other criminal identification." to violations -of the prohibition law? To create a nation of paid I want to. c_all att~ntion to !11~ fact that in the War Depart informers is violative of all the fundamental principles of ment, the Civil Serv1ce CoiilllllBSlOn, the Veterans' Bll!eau, and democracy. 1990 ~CONGRESSIONAL RECORD- HOUSE JANUARY 20 l\lr. GRAHAM. No. This is simply to apply to cargoes of Thev are going to do it just the same. They are paying narcotics, when they are about to be shipped from foreign parts rewards now. I refer the gentleman to page 327 of the Treas to this country; secretly conveyed. It is to pay for information ury Department appropriation bill hearings where Mr. Doran at the place of shipment, which will enable the United States testifying spoke about spending $200,000 for under cover men to lay its hand on this kind of a cargo. and for rewards. Speaking of narcotics he says, "We paid out l\1r. O'CONNOR of New York. Of course, the bill does not $42,463 in narcotic reward ." So it matters not whether the say anything of that kind. bill passes, they do it an:yway without authority of law. They :Mr. GRAHAl\L It is limited to narcotics. already have the identification bureau in the Department of Mr. O'CONNOR of New York. It does not say anything about Justice, and you just pas ed a bill to legalize it. It appears cargoes or shipments from foreign countries. It can pay any they do a they pleas:e and then come here and want you to body throughout this country for furnishing information in approve. respect to narcotics. All of us are opposed to the sale and use Mr. O'COI\~OR of New York. I object, fir t, to the principle of narcotics. Nobody would defend their sale, but what I have of giving unlimited powers to departments in respect to the in mind is this: I am fundamentally opposed to this counh·y amount of the reward, and I object to the principle of the breeding millions of informers. I think the whole system of United States Government submitting to a "holdup." paying for information is wrong. I shall not make the predic Mr. DYER. Of course the gentleman is in accord with those tion, but I fear, if this bill is agreed to, that the radicalism will of us who support this legislation for the purpose of trying to go o far that we shall later be confronted with legislation to prevent the importation of narcotics. pay informers of violations of the prohibition law. Mr. O'COI\'NOR of New York. I have already said that Mr. FISH. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield to me? mo t emphatically. l\fr. O'CONNOR of Kew York. Yes. 1\Ir. DYER. What suggestion would the gentleman make :7l1r. FISH. My colleague from New York must know that 90 changing this bill in any way to enable the United States per cent of the smuggled narcotics come in through the port of Government to obtain the necessary evidence from people in New York. The sole purpose of this bill is to try to get infor foreign countries through our officials and consular agents mation from the other side in order to break up the big inter there, so as to give the Government here the facts that it can national rings respon ible for smuggling vast quantities of dope seize this stuff when it comes into this country? into the United States at the expense of the health of our Mr. O'CONNOR of New York. The gentleman has sugges people. There are no illegal narcotics produced in the United tions in other legislation under our customs dutie , and so forth. State . We can take care of the peddlers under existing law. I maintain there should be some judicial check over whether or This is an international proposition. All of the payments will not this money should be paid. It would be better for the go to people on the other side who will give us advance infor United States never to have the information than to submit mation of the huge amounts of contraband narcotics that are to such a "holdup," in my opinion. shipped into the port of New York. It is aimed at the big inter Mr. DYER. Then we would get all these great shipments of national dope rings that are entirely responsible for this evil narcotics. traffic which spreads mi ery, disease, and death throughout the Mr. O'CONNOR of New York. If the United States can not United States. prevent smuggling, then it ought to submit to it. Mr. O'CONNOR of New York. Mauy of our laws provide for The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection? the payment of rewards for information, but there are certain Mr. LAGUARDIA. Mr. Speaker, reserving the right to object, limitations in amount or percentage of duties recovered. In if I have assurance that the amendment which I shall offer on this proposed legislation there is just a blanket grant to the page 1, line 8, after the comma, and the word "States," to Government officials to pay any amount of money they see fit. insert " re ulting in a seizure " will be agreed to why I shall not Mr. FISH. Let me tell the gentleman the reason for this. object. It will then read: Switzerland is one of the wo.rst offenders in the overproduction For information concerning a violation or attempted violation of any of narcotics. They do not produce the high-powered narcotics narcotic law of the United States, resulting in seizure, such sum or for consumption in their own country, but for the consumption sums of money- of the people of the United States. Colonel Nutt, head of the Federal Narcotic Bureau, said last year ·that by the payment And so forth. of $22,000 to somebody in Switzerland his office could have Mr. O'CONNOR of New York. If the gentleman will yield stopped two tons of morphine from coming into the United right there, the gentleman does not correct the evil by his amend States for illegal consumption. No money was to be paid down ment. The sums are not limited. until the seizure had been made. This bill is necessary, because 1\Ir. LAGUARDIA. No. I will say to the gentleman from there is no other way of getting at the big international dope New York that I am in sympathy with his attitude. rings. It does not apply to prohibition. It does not establish a 1\Ir. GRAHAM. Mr. Speaker, an amendment is under con. precedent. It deals simply with an international problem that sidera tion. can be solved in no other way. 1\Ir. STAFFORD. Mr. Speaker, I reserve the right to object. Mr. O'CONNOR of New York. As I understand it, when this The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Wisconsin Government gets information that in some foreign country reserves the right to object. The gentleman from Wi cousin is there is to be a shipment from that foreign country of narcotics recognized. to this country, then certain foreigners can say to the United Mr. STAFFORD. Mr. Speaker, if I can have the attention States Government, a Republic, consisting of 120,000,000 of of the committee, I grant the validity of the objection made people, "Unless you pay us $22,000 or $50,000, we shall not by the gentleman from New York [Mr. O'CoNNOR] against a give you this information." drastic extension of power. Has the committee considered It i a new angle when this Government deliberately passes whether the commissioner who is to be vested with this authority legi lation which will permit a "holdup," you might call it, by should be under the direction of the Secretary of the Treasury? a foreigner in order to compel the payment of money for infor Mr. GRAHAl\1. If this bill is passed, it will be administered mation that we ought to have facilitie-s of finding out for our under the regulations of the Secretary of the Trea ury. Eelves, without being held up by foreigners. Mr. STAFFORD. No; I understand it is to be under the 1\Ir. LAGUARDIA. And I want further to point out not only direction of the Prohibition Commissioner. that, but where this bill is weak is in that it does not ac-com 1\Ir. GRAHAM. It may be under the Department of Justice plLh the purpose suggested by the ·gentleman from New York in a little while. [1\Ir. FisH], be<: a use it does not provide for actual eizure. The Mr. STAFFORD. Tllen if it is under the direction of the Uni ted States mar be told of a supposed shipment and pay their Department of Justice, there should be some supervisory author reward, and r et that may not result in the seizure of the cargo. ity over the Prohibition Commi sioner. There should be that l\Ir. O'CONNOR of New York. That is just what my point is. supervision, whether it is in the Department of Justice or under 1\lr. FISH. Let me tell the gentleman exactly how it works. the Secretary of the Treasury. :Mr. LAGUARDIA. Oh, we know how it is. We had this in Mr. GRAHAM. The gentleman from Wisconsin is too good a I the committee. lawyer not to know that if this bill is passed the enforcement Mr. FISH. Somebody in a factory, say, in Switzerland, send will remain where it is, in the Secretary of the Treasury. over word, but no money is going to be paid unless there is a Mr. STAFFORD. If we add a provision to the effect that it I seizure. shall be 1.mder some limitation or regulation pre cribed by the l\fr. LAGUARDIA. Yes. You are going to write that into Secretary of the Treasury, then we will know, and the people the bill in the shape of an amendment or you will not get your will know, that there will not be fanaticism exercised in the bill. execution of this bill. Would such an amendment meet with 1\lr. FISH. I will accept such an amendment. the approval of the committee? Mr. COCHRAN of l\Iis ouri. Mr. Speaker, if the gentleman Mr. LAGUARDIA. Of course, it is within the limitations of will yield, it matters not whethe~ this bill is passed or not the appro:priation mad~ by Congress. 1930 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 1991 Mr. STAFFORD. I ask whether, if the supervision is placed that the two subjects are not related. Secondly, the amendment either under the Department of Justice or. under the Secretary itself can not hold for the simple reason that the circuit courts of the Treasury, there should not be some limit placed on the of appeals have no such power of review at this time. Permit amount that might be paid? And if it is under such regula me to point out to the gentleman from New York that it would tion as the department may prescribe, it would not be subject be grossly unfair to bring a matter to a court which later on to determination by the commissioner himself. that court may have to pass upon. Mr. GRAHAM. Tllat. will depend on how important the se Mr. O'CONNOR of New York. Let me say this to the gentle cret is that may be disclosed. Probably it might be a piece of man. You are talking about violations of the law and you are information that would show how a shipment of a million dol talking· about seizures. You can not have them except by some lars' worth shall be seized and confiscated. That should be proceeding in a court. Now, the court fixes the fees in all pro relegated to the discretion of the department. ceedings of receivers, of referees, and so forth. This is an Mr. O'CONNOR of New York. Let us suppose there is a amendment of llie fundamental law, and if the law is violated million dollars' worth of opium received. We do not get the you are bound to get into court. You can not go out and seize opium ; we destroy it. without having a proceeding in court. Mr. GRAHAM. We do not merely want to seize the accursed My DYER. Will the gentleman yield? stuff, but we want to destroy it. Mr. O'CONNOR of New York. Yes. Mr. O'CONNOR of New York. But you can not fix the Mr. DYER. Will the gentleman tell the House how we could amount of payment based on the value of the thing seized. get such a matter before the courts of appEals, it not being a Mr. GRAHAM. The value or quantity of what is to be seized controversy or case coming within the jurisdiction of matters will surely be a rule by which the authorities will be. enabled affecting the United States circuit courts of appeals? to fix the amount to be paid for the information. 1\lr. O'CONNOR of New York. I am quite sure the circuit · Mr. O'CONNOR of New York. The principle involved is one courts of appeals, which are the creation of Congress, will to destroy the opium when it comes in. You might just as well assume any obligation we lay upon them. destroy a million dollars' worth and pay for the information as Mr. DYER. They could not under the law. to pay for information respecting one pound. Mr. GRAHAM. Mr. Speaker, I wish to say a word on the. .Mr. GRAHAM. This bill, gentlemen, will permit the officer point of order. We know perfectly well that courts created to exercise discretion and discriminate between a pound and a are of two classes-those created under Article III of the Con whole cargo. stitution and what are called statutory courts. The .first class The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the pres of courts-and that is the one to which the amendment directs ent consideration of the bill? attention-are constitutional courts. No outside matter can be Mr. BANKHEAD. Mr. Speaker, is it understood that the sent to such a court and tacked onto it as a part of its jurisdic gentleman from Pennsylvania would accept the proposed tion or work. To a statutory court you may attach other duties amendment~ and other powers. Therefore, this amendment is unconstitu· Mr. GRAHAM. Yes. I said so. tiona! and void. It seeks to put a duty on a constitutional The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the pres· court, contrary to the Constitution. Again, you are asking a ent consideration of the bill? com·t of justice to perform an executive function. How is a There was no objection. court of justice going to intrude itself into the matter of the The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Clerk will report the bill. adjustment of an appropriation to buy information which will The Clerk read as follows: result in the seizure of narcotics? It is unconstitutional and absurd. Be it enaatea~ eto., That the Commissioner of Prohibition is authorized Mr. O'CONNOR of New York. Answering the gentleman's and empowered to pay to any person, from funds now or hereafter .first point, I want to ask him : Will the gentleman chan·ge it to appropriated for the enforcement of the narcotic laws of the United allow any district judge in a district to fiX it? Answering his States, for information concerning a violation or attempted violation of second point, rather than its being absurd let me say to the any narcotic law of the United States, such sum or sums of money as distinguished lawyer from Philadelphia that this proceeding, he may deem appropriate, without reference to any moieties or rewards whether it is a reward or not, could not occur unless there was to which such person may otherwise be entitled by law. some proceeding in a Federal court. If the gentleman's objec Mr. LAGUARDIA. Mr. Speaker, on page 1, line 7, I move to tion to the circuit courts of appeals is a constitutional one I strike out the words " or attempted violation,., and in line 8 suggest that we substitute any district judge of the district. after the word " States," insert the words "resulting in seiz- The SP:IDAKER pro tempore. The Chair is ready to rule~ ure," and a comma. · The Chair thinks we have a proposition before us dealing with Mr. Speaker, in order to clarify the amendment I ask unani the Commissioner of Prohibition, and the amendment offered by mous consent that after the word " seizure " there may be the gentleman from New York [Mr. O'CoNNOR] attempts to add added the words "of contraband narcotics." another subject. All the rulings are to the effect that you can The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from New York not amend one subject by adding a second. The point of order asks unanimous consent to modify hi.s amendment in the man is sustained. ner indicated. Is there objection? The bill was ordered to be engrossed and read a third time, There was no objection. was read the third time, and passed. The SPEAKER· pro t~pore. The Clerk will report the A motion to reconsider the vote by which the bill was passed amendment as modified. was laid on the table. The Clerk read as follows: BIRTHPLACE OF GEORGE WASHINGTON Amendment offered by Mr. LAGuARDIA: On page 1, line 7, strike out Mr. BLAND. Mr. Speaker, I move to suspend the rules and the words "or attempted violation," and in line 8, after the comma pass the bill (S. 1784) appropriating money for improvements following the word '' States " insert " resulting in a seizure of contra upon the Goverliment-owned land at Wakefield, Westmoreland band narcotics." County, Va., the birthplace of George Washington, with amend The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on agreeing to ments, which I send to the desk. the amendment offered by the gentleman from New York. The Clerk read the bill, as follows : The amendment was agreed to. Be it enacted~ etc., That there is hereby authorized to be appropriated, Mr. O'CONNOR of New York. Mr. Speaker, I o:trer an out of any money in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, the sum amendment of $65,000, which shall be used and expended as follows: The sum of The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from New York $15,000 shall be used in moving the monument erected by the United offers an amendment, which the Clerk will report. States and now located upon the plot of ground owned by the United The Clerk read as follows: States at Wakefield, Westmoreland County, Va., to another site on Amendment offered by Mr. O'CoNNOR of New York: On page 1, line 8, said plot of ground ; and the sum of $50,000 shall be paid to the strike out the words "he may deem appropriate," and insert "may be Wakefield National Memorial Association of Wa.shington, D. C., a approved by the circuit court of appeals in the district where such corporation created by and existing under the laws of the State of seizure shall be made." Virginia, for use by the said association (a) in erecting on the Govern ment-owned land at Wakefield, Westmoreland County, Va., the building Mr. LAGUARDIA. Mr. Speaker, I make the point of order permitted by act of Congress entitled "An act granting the consent of that the amendment is not germane. This ~ a bill d.ealing Congress to the Wakefield National Memorial Association to build, upon entirely with the Treasury Department and seeks to give certain Government-owned land at Wakefield, Westmorela.nd County, Va., a powers to the Commissioner of Prohibition, while the amend replica of the house in which George Washington was born, and for ment offered by the gentleman from New York is an amendment other purposes," approved June 7, 1926; (b) in restoring and im to the Judicial Code and to the powers of the circuit courts of proving the gardens and grounds e.t Wakefield, Westmoreland County, appeals. That can not be inserted in this bill for the reason Va.; and (c) in erecting such other buildings as shall be deemed 1992 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE JANUARY 20 necessary: Prot'ided, That thE! plans for all said buildings and gardens 1\Ir. STAFFORD. Has it been considered by any committee to be constructed or restored hereunder and the location of said monu of the House? ment shall . be subject to the approval of the Fine Arts Commission Mr. BLAND. It has not been considered by a committee and the Secretary of the Interior, and the expenditure of said fund of the House, but the original bill was acceptable to the Mili shall be subject to the prior approval of the Secretary of the Interior: tary Affairs Committee. I had been away, and on my return P ro·t'ided further, That said building and all lands owned by the Wake I understood that the amendment had been agreed to. field National Memorial Association shall, on completion of the restora Mr. STAFFORD. By whom was it agr~d to? tion, be conveyed to the United States as a gift for administration, Mr. BLAND. By the Wakefield Association and by the gen protection, and maintenance, as hereinafter provided. tleman who interposed the objection to the consideration of the SEc. 2. That the said premises and all structures thereon shall con original bill. stitute the George Washington Birthplace National Monument at Wake 1\Ir. sr_tAFFORD. I understand the gentleman to say that field, Va., which is hereby established and set apart for the preserva the amendments have never been considered by any committees tion of the historical associations connected therewith, for the benefit of the Hou e? and enjoyment of the people ; and the said national monument shall be Mr. O'CONNELL of New York. This bas been done before hereafter administered by the National Park Service, under the direc in the Honse, time and time again. tion of the Secretary of the Interior, subject to the provisions of the Mr. STAFFORD. Not time and time again. It is a rare act of August 25, 1916 (39 Stat. 531), as amended. exception to have a bill considered that has not been passed SEC. 3. All acts or parts of acts inconsistent with the provisions of upon by any committee. this act are repealed to the extent of such inconsistency. 1\Ir. O'CONNELL of New York. It has been done repeatedly, The SPEAKER. Is a second demanded? Mr. WATSON. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield? . Mr. CRAMTON. Mr. Speaker, I demand a second. Mr. BLAND. I yield. Mr. BLAND. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that a Mr. WATSON. I am in favor of the bill; but history informs second be considered as ordered. us that when Washington was 3 years old this house in which The SPEAKER. Without objection, it is so ordered. he was born was destroyed by fire. The only remaining part is There was no objection. the foundation. There are no drawings or pictures in existence The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Virginia [Mr. BLAND] showing what the house was when Washington was born. Is is recognized for 20 minutes and the gentleman from Michigan this house to be the imagination of some architect? [Mr. CRAMTON] for 20 minutes. Mr. BLAND. It has been very · fully investigated, and as Mr. BLAli.TD. Mr. Speaker, I will address myself very briefly n~ as can be arrived at it will be a replica; but I am com to the purpose of this legislation. pelled to say that there is no information available from which This legislation is to establish a historic shrine at the birth an exact repr'oduction can be made. place of Washington, where the Government now owns 11.88 Mr. W .A.TSON. Then the house will not be known as the acres of land. There is a monument there at this time. That house in which George Washington was born? will be moved to a more appropriate site. There will be con Mr. BLAND. Oh, no. There will be no falsification of his structed a building which will be as nearly as practicable a tory in that respect. There is also on this land, which will be reproduction of Washington's birthplace, a building in which taken over by the Government, the graveyard in which lie the will be preserved relics and matters pertaining to the Wash remains of the Washingtons for many years-his father and ingtons. other relatives-and it will be cared for. There has been purchased by the Wakefield Association 1\Ir. WAINWRIGHT. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield? approximately 100 acres of land in the historical part of Wake 1\Ir. BLAND. Yes. field that will be turned over to the Government and made a 1\Ir. WAINWRIGHT. Is there, in the gentleman's judgment, part of this national monument. any good reason why the care and the administration of this There has been purchased by the Rockefellers approximately shrine of a great soldier should be taken away from the War 254 acres of land which was to be delivered to the Wakefield Department and given to the Interior Department? Association if it had secured the requisite sum by January 7. Mr. BLAND. So far as I am concerned personally, I am It is believed, and there is reliable information to the effect willing to have it in the Secretary of War; but a very good that the Rockefellet'S will turn over this land to the United reason that I think would exist for this is that unless we can States as a part of this national monument. agree on an ar.rangement of this kind we may imperil the By turning it over to the Secretary of the Interior as a Rockefeller donation. national monument its preservation is insured. This monu Mr. WAINWRIGHT. I think the gentleman will agree with ment will be cared for by the Government, and every attention me that if this question was considered by the Committee on will be given to preserving the birthplace of Washington in a Military Affairs, to which this bill was referred and which proper manner. has had no opportunity to consider it, there would be a very If there are any questions in referenee to the matter I shall grave question whether that committee would report this bill be delighted to answer them. relating to the creation of a building, a supposed replica of the Mr. STAFFORD. I notice that you eliminate the authority birthplace of Washington, and provide that it should be taken of the Secretary of War in the supel"Vision of this park. Is that away from the jurisdiction of the War Department, where it the principal idea in the amendment offered by the gentleman? now is, and turned over to the Interior Department. I think Mr. BLAND. I do not think so. I will say that the original the gentleman will agree with me that the only reason for bill was entirely satisfactory to me. The gentleman knows the that cour e is the interest in this matter, an influence which objections that were made when the bill was brought up before. we an recogntze as potent, of the gentleman from Michigan Mr. STAFFORD. No; I do not; I am a stranger to that, and [Mr. CRAMTO~]. I think there are other Members who are strangers to it. Mr. BLAND. The one reason that I could see for the Mili Mr. BLAND. On the last day before the Christmas recess we tary Affairs Committee to report such a bill as this with these sought to take up the bill as it passed the Senate by unanimous amendments would be that it would be so big that it would rise consent. Objections were interposed and it could not be consid higher than the mere question of jurisdiction as between two ered. It was sought by the gentleman who made the objection, departments. [Applause.] the gentleman from Michigan [Mr. CRA:P.ITON], that it should be Ur. COLTON. Is it not a fact that all of the national monu a national shrine, and under the provisions of law dealing with ments are under the supervision of the Secretary of the Interior, national shrines, rather than the Secretary of War. May I add or practically all of them, and that this is to carry out a con that when this monument was first established, jurisdiction then sistent policy? was in the Secretary of State. But later, after the monument Mr. BLAND. I presume so. I would not undertake to an was completed and the wharf was erected, jurisdiction was swer that because I have accepted that provision under the transferred to the Secretary of W a.r. It is oot a battle field ; necessities of the occasion. it is the birthplace of Washington, and really a proper place Mr. O'CONNOR of Louisiana. Mr. Speaker, will the gentle would be under the Secretary of the Interior. man yield? l\lr, STAFFORD. The gentleman thinks that the proper Mr. BLAND. Yes. place is under the Secretary of War? Mr. O'CONNOR of Louisiana. Not that it matters to me, 1\Ir. BL..A.ND. No; I think a proper place for a shrine would because I am not opposed to the bill, but has the gentleman any be under the Secretary of the Interior. idea how much it will cost the Government to put into operation Mr. WAINWRIGHT. Will the gentleman yield? the purposes of this bill after it becomes a law? Mr. BLAND. I will. Mr. BLA.l\TD. So far as I know, there will be no further Mr. W AINWRIGH'l'. M~y I ask if this bill has ever had the appropriation to be made by the Government than that con scrutiny of the 1\.filitary Affairs Committee or has been passed tained in this bill There are pledges already of about $60,000 upon by that committee? that will be turned over to the Government in addition to the Mr. BLAND. This bill has not. land. I resel."Ve the remainder of my time: 1930 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 1993 Mr. CRAMTON. Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, devotion to this ideal. I would not interfere with or detract ygu w:ill remember that just before the holidays this -bill was from their work. But they have voted to turn over their lands brought up under a request for unanimous consent. At that and buildings when their work of restoration is completed, and time I felt obliged to object because of some contact I had had I feel the Government should now definitely accept the gift and with the proposition and some knowledge I had with reference guarantee the permanent maintenance of this shrine. The ap to it. The matter necessarily has been a matter of discussion propriation made in this bill will be expended under their lead since by the gentleman from Virginia [Mr. BLAND] and myself, ership, and is a well-merited cooperation. and I have had also conferences with the Wakefield Associa Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time. Mr. Speaker, tion, with its president, Mrs. Rust, and with others, all in an how much time have I remaining? effort on my part, certainly not to defeat the legislation, with The SPEAKER. The gentleman has 13 minutes. which I am very much in sympathy, but to put it in a definite l\Ir. CRAMTON. I yield 10 minutes to the gentleman from shape as to some features that were not settled and hence were Wisconsin [Mr. STAFFORD]. a matter of some concern to parties interested. For instance, the The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Wisconsin is recog· Rockefeller Institution had made a donation of $115,000 to buy nized for 10 minutes. the needed lands. They made their purchase at a time when Mr. STAFFORD. Mr. Speaker, the way to bring about the it was necessary for some one to act promptly to save those attainment of this purpose in the shortest possible time is to lands from undesirable dev.elopment. vote ·down the motion to suspend the rules and then have the It was their thought, and with that I have been in hearty Speaker recognize the Member from · Virginia [Mr. BLAND] accord, and I am sure the House will be, that the birthplace to move to suspend the rules and pass th€ bill as it came over of George Washington not only should be restored so far as from the Senate, rather than loading it down with amend may be, but that we should be assured of its permanent preser ments that have not been considered by any committee of this vation and that it should not be a place cared for by any House, but only by the collaboration of the gentleman, who is organization which might at some time be obliged, through evidently deeply interested in it, with the objector to the nee sity, to charge an admission fee. When this memorial is original bill. restored and completed there is only one agency that can take The gentleman from Michigan advances the plausible ar over that maintenance and care by which we can feel entirely gument that we should turn this project -over to the National assured it will always be cared for as the birthplace of Wash Park Commission, because in the event we do that, no fees ington ought to be cared for, and that is the Government of the will be charged. He bases his argument on the fact ·that the United States. That is the most important thing. National Park Commission would charge no fees. And yet Now, for the information of my friend from New York [Mr. he knows that it is the policy of the Park Commission to WAI:\TWRIGHT], the situation is not quite as he understands it. charge fees for admission to our national parks. His sug The bill as brought into the House came over from the Senate, gested amendment h~s not been considered by anyone except and it makes no provision for maintenance afterwards. The himself, and that proposal makes no reference to fees that bill now before the House definitely provides for its mainte might be charged. pance by the National Park Service, which, under exi ting law, This is not a fight between committees. It is a fight for the is charged with the duty of maintaining such historical monu orderly consideration of legislation in this House. The Secre ments. It does not take the maintenance away from the War tary of War has innumerable national battle fields under his Department, because it was not in the War Department, but jurisdiction; battle fields which are shrines as sacred, perhaps it does definitely now provide for it in the National Park not to the extent that the bi'rthplace of the Father of our Coun· Service. . try is, to many living souls. He has them immediately under Mr. WAINWRIGHT. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield? his supervision. Further, he has under his supervision prop Mr. CRAMTON. I yield. erty in the near vicinity at Fredericksburg. Who is better Mr. WAINWRIGHT. I think it has be€n assumed all along equipped than the Secretary of War to supervise the removal that the jurisdiction of this whole project would be in the War of the monument that has been there for years and years and Department. The original legislation vested in the Secretary of neglected for almost 50 years? I would have no objection to War the authority, in fact the duty, to pass upon the character any committee of the House considering the matter and bring· of the memorial to be built, and I must confess that to me and ing it in after careful consideration, but-- to other members of the Military Affairs Committee it came as Mr. COLLINS. The gentleman understands that an appro a definite surprise that it was intended to take the jurisdic priation is made in the War Department appropriation for this tion of what seemed so appropriate in the case of George Wash object? ington away from the War Department and turn it over to the Mr. STAFFORD. Yes. There has been a small amount pro Interior Department. As a matter of fact the War Department vided for the care of the site of the old homestead at Wake to-day is charged with jurisdiction over many national shrines. field. Now you are going to make it a place of national im The gentleman of course realizes, as does the House, that all of portance. the national battle field parks are under the jurisdiction of the Mr. TABER. The proposition is that this shall be taken War Department, as well as a number of buildings in the nature over by the Interior Department? of shrines. There is n·o good reason why this should be taken Mr. STAFFORD. Yes. That is the purpose of the amend away from the War Department ment offered by the gentleman from Michigan [Mr. CRAMTON]. l\1r. CRAMTON. While there are certain military battle It is virtually a gesture of defiance in the face of the War fields administered by the War Department, there is no logic Department, which hitherto has been well administering these in having a national monument for the preservation of the battle grounds and national monuments. There is a bill on the birthplace of George Washington also under the War Depart calendar authorizing that the battle field of Chalmette shall be ment. Washington was much more than a general. He was taken over by the Secretary of War. Now it is proposed that the leader of his Nation, and as such this memorial should be the National Park Commi<;sion shall intrude itself and take administered by the National Park Service, which now under over the supervision of this shrine. This place has been ad existing law is given jurisdiction over national historical monu ministered and cared for under the Secretary of War for years ments. and years. Mr. TREADWAY. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield? You should vote this amendment down and then pass the bill Mr. CRAltiTON. Yes. as messaged from tbe Senate under suspension of the ruies. Mr. TREADWAY. The gentleman draws a very strong dis Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time. . tinction between the birthplace of George Washington and the Mr. CRAMTON. Mr. Speaker, I do not think the gentleman places where he lived and died and was buried. has control of any time. Mr. CRAl\ITON. I have much sympathy with the views Mr. STAFFORD. I would have been entitled to recognition which I know the gentleman entertains as to Mount Vernon, in opposition to the bill. but the gentleman will pardon me when I say that I can not Mr. CRAMTON. Yes; if the gentleman had demanded a sec discuss that to-day. ond he would have bad a prior right. Mr. TREADWAY. The gentleman's own statement was that Mr. STAFFORD. I was on my feet, but I deferred to the he thought a shrine like that should be under the jurisdiction leader of the Committee on Appropriations. If anybody else and control of the Federal Government, and I agree with bim desires to speak in opposition, I will grant bim the remainder when I say it hould be so at Mount Vernon. of my time. Mr. CRAMTON. I want to make this further observation: Air. CRAMTON. The gentleman from Wiscon in had yielded The women who have L'lken up this work of the Wakefield to him such time as he asked. The question now is, Can he Association bave devoted to it years of labor and attention; yield back his time or reserve it or yield it to another? they are entitled to great credit. The Nation will always be The SPEAKER. The Chair thinks the gentleman can not indebted to Mrs. Rust for her patient; patriotic, and sacrificing yield the balance of the time yielded to him. 1994 CONGRESSIONAL, RECORD-HOUSE JANUARY 20 Mr. STAFFORD. May I reserve the balance of my time for As .I understand, they have not yet had jurisdiction over any future use? park m the East, except the great contemplated Allegheny Park. The SPEAKER. The Chair th.inks that the practice is, when It seems to me a very good reason should be given and that two gentlemen are recognized, to contro-l the time-and in this no reason has been presented here as to why this change should case they are the gentleman from Michigan [Mr. CRAMTON] be made. and the gentleman from Virginia [Mr. BLAND]-no- other Mr. STAFFORD. I now yield to the gentleman from Ohio. gentleman can control any of the time that has been yielded Mr. MURPHY. Is it not a fact that the bill as it came from to him by either one of those gentlemen. the Senate did not put Wakefield in charge of the War De l\Ir. STAFFORD. How much of the time allotted to me js partment or the Interior Department, and is it not a fact that still remaining? the chairman of the subcommittee which handles Interior mat The SPEAKER. The gentleman has used five minutes. ters is simply trying to go along in an orderly way and have Mr. STAFFORD. A parliamentary inquiry. this birthplace within the jurisdiction of the department that The SPEAKER. The gentleman will state it. handles other parks in the country? Mr. STAFFORD. The parliamentary inquiry is whether I Mr. STAF:FORD. I take exception to the gentleman's state can avail of that time for my own use? ment that it is going along in an orderly way. I think it is Mr. CRAMTON. Before my time is all exhausted I will going along in a disorderly way, because it is not within my yield again to the gentleman. · recollection-- Mr. STAFFORD. With all due deference to the decision of the Chair, I think it is better to have some one use the time. 1\Ir. MURPHY. If the gentleman will permit-- The SPEAKER. If the Cha.ir may be permitted to interject Mr. STAF~RD. No; I decline to yield further, knowing a · ·uggestion, if the gentleman from Wisconsin had risen and the gentleman 1S on the other side. It is not within my recol demanded a econd and said he was opposed to the bill, the lection that a bill is brought up on the floor of the Hou e which Chair would have recognized the gentleman. has never been considered by any committee of the House. The Mr. STAFFORD. I did rise, but I yielded to the leader of aJilendment proposed is very radical in its nature and is one the superior Committee on Appropriations. I did rise, but as that should be given consideration by some committee of the a new Member of this House [laughter] I did not wish to House. There is nothing in the Senate bill which preyents this assert any privileges over the leader of the many forces of this work from going on, and it would be a matter for the subse quent consideration of Congress as to which department shall House, the distinguished gentleman from Michigan. supervise this shrine. l\Ir. MOORE of Virginia. May I ask the gentleman a ques tion? The SPEAKER. The time of the gentleman from Wi. cousin l\Ir. STAFFORD. Certainly. has expired. 1\.lr. MOORE of Virginia. I want to ask it as a practical Mr. BLAND. l\fr. Speaker, I yield five minutes to the gentle man. We are here trying to determine not whether somebody man from Indiana [l\lr. GREENWOOD]. other than the Go-vernment of the United States shall have Mr. GREENWOOD. Mr. Speaker and Members of the Hou e charge of this property but what agency of the Government of it strikes me there i a good deal of hairsplitting over this ques~ the United States. Now, what earthly difference does it make tion. I think an emergency exists and that we should take from a practical point of ·dew, assuming the thing is to be done action to-day. I think we should support this bill as it came properly, whether it is done by the War Department or is done from the Senate, which seems to be agreeable to the gentleman by the Interior Department. from Virginia and others who have paid particular attention to Mr. STAFFORD. I will be very frank in an ·wering the this project. gentleman. I think the War Department is much better consti Last spring it was my good fortune to take a trip through tuted, through its various agencies, to remove a monument and Virginia and to visit Westmoreland County. I was very much supervise construction work than the Department of the In impressed with this location on the Potomac, the birthplace of terior. Washington, as a place which should be made a national shrine. Mr. MOORE of Virginia. I am not aware of any superiority It will not be a military shrine in any sense of the word. It it has over some other department in that respect. will be a shrine that will recognize an ancient colonial home Mr. STAFFORD. I do not think the Interior Department has that was the birthplace of a family that had a great deal to been engaged in this kind of work. do with the establishment of our Government. Mr. MOORE of Virginia. It has charge of a great deal of In Westmoreland County is the home of the Lees, at Strat parking ground. Here you have ·several hundred acres of land ford, Robert E. Lee being born at this old homestead. There involved and there is not only to be the removal of a monument also is the birthplace of James Monroe. There are many other but the maintenance of the burial ground of the Washingtons point of historic interests there. of several generations. I am pleased to see the Federal Government cooperating with 1\fr. STAFFORD. I will not yield further, because I am the Rockefeller Foundation and also with this memorial com fearful the gentleman wants to take up all the time in favor mission in order to establish this shrine becau e it will be a of this proposition. As far as burial grounds are concerned great center where tourists from all over the country, seeking the War Department has virtually exclusive jurisdiction over historical information and patriotic inspiration will come not many national cemeteries and is better qualified to supervise only to vi ·it Wakefield, but to visit these other old homesteads such grounds than is the Department of the Interior. It has and to impress the members of their families with the signifi numerous battle fields under its jurisdiction and it knows how cance of these sacred places that housed these early patriots. to manage them. So I think we ought not to split hairs here upon this occasion Mr. MOORE of Virginia. This is not a battle field. but should pass this bill under a suspension of the rules; and 1\Ir. STAFFORD. I was referring to burial grounds. The it does not occur to me that it makes any great difference gentleman a little while ago referred to burial grounds, and I whether it is cared for by the War Department or the Interior wa answering him in that respect. Department, but inasmuch as many of these parks are main Mr. WAINWRIGHT. I wonder whether the gentleman will tained by the Interior Department and they want to get up yield to me for just a minute? information for the benefit of those who shall visit such places, Mr. STAFFORD. I yield. in a combined way with respect to a number of shrines, it would :ll1·. W AL"l\TWRIGHT. This is a most meritorious bill, of occur to me that the Interior Department might maintain this course, and the only question here, I will say to my friend from shrine a little better than the War Department. It I. not a Virginia, is whether this jurisdiction, which from the inception battle fi-eld, but, as I said, it is a matter of general historic of this enterprise has been vested in the War Department, interest, and I am very heartily in favor of suspending the rules should now be taken away from it. I can see that there can and passing th-e legislation. [Applause.] not be a very, very important issue involved but there is a real Mr. CRAMTON. Mr. Speaker, I yield the balance of my time issue. By the very terms of this bill thi. monument is to be to the gentleman from Massachusetts [l\lr. LucE]. changed and all the engineering work performed by the War M.t·. LUCEJ. Gentlemen will have noticed that in the Senate Department; the building is to be con.:tructed under the super this bill, after being read twice, was referred to the Committee vision of the War Department, and the whole place is practi on the Library. When it reached the House it might properly cally to be created under the supervision of the War Depart have come to the corresponding committee. I was on the floor ment. However, when the War Department has completed its at the time that it was brought up in December and recognizing labor-and we are assuming it is competent to do it satis the emergency natm·e of the bill found no occa.:ion to rai e any factorily-then it is to be turned over to the Interior Depart question. It has not been heard by the House Committee on ment or to the National Park CommL~ion. For..,ooth, why? the Library, but at least one member of that committee has The National Park Commission thus far has only had jurisdic been kept informed about the progress of the undertaking for tion over the great parks in the West. ~ long time, and, so far as he is acquainted with the subject, 1930 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 1995 the terms of the bill are admirable and will serve the purpose The SPEAKER. Is a second demanded? intended. Mr. O'CONNELL of New York. I demand a second. I wish merely to say in the matter of the jurisdiction of com Mr. FISH. I ask unanimous consent, Mr. Speaker, .that a mittees that only to-day I have been conferring with the chair second be considered as ordered. man of the Committee on Military Affairs for the purpose of The SPEAKER. Is there objection? arranging a transfer fpom the Committee on the Library to the There was no objection. Committee on :Military Affairs of a bill relating to a Civil War Mr. FISH. Mr. Speaker, Senate Joint Resolution 115 au battle field and a monument thereon. thorizes the President to appoint an ambassador to Poland, and This bill properly falls within the jurisdiction of that com is ide:ntical with House Joint Resolution 132, which has been mittee, and so with most proposals relating to battle fields, mili favorably reported by the Committee on Foreign Affairs and is tary cemeterie , and kindred subjects. Nearly all other mat on the Unanimous Consent Calendar that we .are considering ters relating to monuments and memorials have customarily to-day. In order to ~xpedite consideration I have just moved come to the Committee on the Library, and especially those that to suspend the rules on the Senate joint resolution, as the do not involve questions of maintenance. President of the United States desires to have the ambassador In accordance with the precedents of the House, it seems fit ship created, so that he may send to the Senate the appointment ting that the Committee on Military Affairs should consider of an ambassador to Poland with the least pos ible delay. everything relating to the military parks, such places as Gettys The customary procedure in the House since the act of March burg and Antietam and the other battle fields, and monuments 2, 1909, has been to pass a resolution creating an ambassador thereon. Evidently this is not such a place, and possibly in ship before the appointment was sent to the Senate. For the spite of the question of maintenance jurisdiction might properly information of the House, I will read the existing statute: be claimed by the Committee on the Library. However, its No new ambassadorship shall be created unless the same shall be chairman, at any rate, feels in this juncture the importance of provided for by act of" Congress. speedy action to be so great and the infringing on the preroga ti>es of his committee to be so immaterial that he is not dis In accordance with that act a resolution was introduced in posed to raise the issue, but feels that the bill should pass. the Senate and one in the House of Representatives, both of [Applause.] which are identical, and both of which are identical with the 1\Ir. BLAND. Mr. Speaker, I yield the remainder of my time other resolutions that have been passed for the last 20 years to the gentleman from Virginia [Mr. MooRE]. creating embassies. House Joint Resolution 132 was introduced Mr. MOORE of Virginia. Mr. Speaker, I had not expected by me on December 2, 1929, and is identical with Senate Joint to say anything, and, as I suggested a while ago, I do not think Resolution 115 introduced on January 6, 1930, which is now the question is very important since it has only reference to under consideration. what particular agency of the Government shall be given charge Back in 1893 there was ·a law upon the statute books to the of the project. effect that the President could exchange ambassadors with other One substantial reason for doing what is now proposed is countries so desiring. In accordance with that law President thi : Heretofore the Government has only owned a very small Cleveland appointed ambassadors to Great Britain, to Italy, to parcel of land, about 10 or 11 acres, on which the monument i.; France, and to Germany. Later on, in 1909, that law was located, and the War Department has had jurisdiction, but now repealed, and the law I have read to you was substituted in its the project is to go very much further and is to include many place, restricting the power to raise legations to embassies. As. hundred acres of land, and it does seem to me that the Secre a result Spain, Argentina, Chile, Belgium, were created em tary of War himself, if we could consult him, would prefer that bassies through acts of Congress which are identical with the the jurisdiction be located in the Interior Department, where provisions of the bill now before you. the officials of the Park Service function. There has been some question raised as to the constitutional If it should later on be found that a mistake has been made power of the President to appoint ambassadors without an act in placing the Interior Department in control, Congress can of Congress. It does not seem to be necessary for us to con rever e its action. Meanwhile. it is well to wait without making sider section 2, Article n, of the Constitution, because as long gloomy predictions as to what may or may not occur. What as there is an act of Congress restricting the creation of new ever happens is going to be e>idence of the wisdom or unwisdom . ambassadorships we should at least assume that act is con of the change, and in this connection I think of the legend on stitutional until it is found to be otherwise by the Supreme the coat of arms of the Washington family, Exitus Acta Pro Court of the United States. bat-the result proves the work-and I have great confidence So in legislating in this manner we-are following the precedent that the result in this instance will justify the wisdom of doing and complying with the act of Congress. In order to expedite what the bill contemplates. the creation of an embassy in Poland I have moved to bring Let me say just one thing further: I have just been informed up the Senate resolution. that the Bicentenary Commission, the President's commission Now, as to the merits of the proposition. During the Revolu which is arranging for celebration in 1932, perhaps on an un tionary War two great Polish patriots came over to the strug paralleled scale, of the two hundredth anniversary of the birth gling American Colonies and helped to found the United States of George Washington, favors the proposal, and I for one am by rendering distinguished service in the armed forces under willing to ignore all of these little jealousies with respect to Washingt.on. Casimir Pulaski gave his life in the Battle of jurisdiction of committees and jurisdiction of Government Savannah, and Tha,ddeus Kosciusko, a Polish engineer, helped agencies, simply content that the custody of the memorial which lay out the fortifications at West Point. is soon to be made much greater than has been conceived of These Polish patriots who aided in establishing the freedom heretofore, will be in charge of the Government of the United and independence of the United States have created a bond of States, which would not exist to-day except for the man in sympathy and friendship between the American people and the whose honor it is being established. [Applause.] Polish people that has lasted oYer 150 years. Poland became a The SPEAKER. The question is on the motion of the gen free and independent nation largely through the efforts of former tleman from Virginia. to suspend the rules and pass the bill as President Woodrow Wilson at the Peace Conference, and later amended. on through the efforts of President Hoover, then the Food Com The question was taken; and two-thirds having voted in favor missioner in charge of food relief in Poland, scores of thousands thereof, the rules were suspended, and the bill was passed. of Polish men, women, and children were supplied with the ne<:essities of life during the occupation of Poland by the Ger .A..llBASS.AOOR TO THE B.EPUBLIO OJ!' POLAND man armies and immediately after the armistice. Mr. FISH. Mr. Speaker, I move to suspend the rules and There is every reason, on its merits, why this resolution pass Senate Joint Resolution 115, authorizing the appointment should be passed unanimously by the Congress of the United of an ambassador to Poland. States. Poland geographically and from the point of view of The SPEAKER. The gentleman from New York moves to population stands fifth among the European nations. It has a suspend the rules and pass Senate Joint Resolution 115. population of 32,000,000. It has a greater population and is The Clerk read the joint resolution, as follows: larger in size than most of the countries where embassies have already been established by the United States. It is Senate Joint Resolution 115 larger in size and population than Mexico, Cuba, Peru, Bel Joint resolution authorizing the appointment ot an ambassador to gium, Turkey, Chile, Argentina, or Spain, where embassies Poland already exist. From any point of view you desire to look at Resolved, eto., That the President be, and he is hereby, authorized to this proposition, whether it is the size of the population or appoint, as the representative of the United States, an ambassador to the country, which generally controls in matters of this kind, or the Republic of Poland, who shall receive as compensation the sum of the traditions connected with our own history, this resolution $17,500 per annum. should be adopted. I hope it will be adopted unanimously by 1996 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE JANUARY 20 thiB House so that the President can immediately proceed to palities and have made themselves marvelously valuable to the send in an appointment, and that from then on the well-estab Republic of the United States. Then, in addition to that, we li bed and powerful Republic of Poland will have an American might also refer to the fact that perhaps this legi lation aro e ambassador and we will haye in Washington a Polish am through the recent one hundred and fiftieth anniversary held bassador from that great Republic. [Applause.] in Savannah commemorating the death of that great Polish 1\Ir. LUCE. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield? patriot and soldier-Pulaski. It is unnecessary for me to go Mr. FISH. Yes. back to the history of that great character and the work he 1\Ir. LUCE. If I understood the gentleman's last sentence did for the American Colonies in the Revolutionary War. correctly, he referred to the "well-established Republic of It is very gratifying to be able to say to the people of this Poland." I have gained the impression from my reading, very Nation and to the people of Poland as well as to those that are likely erroneously, that the republican form of government here who emigrated to America from Poland that we are mak there had been suspended. Can the gentleman throw any light ing this gesture of friendship and fraternity in raising this on that question? office to the position of an ambassador as the representative Mr. FISH. I would not want to say that I could throw so of the United States to Poland as a generous and gracious and very much light upon it, but I can at least attempt to answer very friendly act. the question. Poland has a republican form of government This great Republic to which we will be assigning an ambassa It has, I believe, a constitutional government. It elects mem dor stands fifth among the European nations in population. I bers to its Diet, which corresponds very largely to our form venture the assertion that there is no nation in Europe which of government. There is a National Assembly and a Senate. bas a more friendly and cordial feeling toward the United It ha a President who has large autocratic powers and who States, because of the aid given by the American delegates at in certain instances has u ed them in opposition to the parlia the peace conference toward the institution of the present Re mentary go¥ernment. Let me say, however, to the gentleman, public of Poland. The several millions of American citizens as long as he has raised the question, that Poland is far more of Polish origin will appreciate this action and it will redound a republic in form than many other nations in this hemisphere to the credit of those of us who are fortun_ate enough to be that claim to be republics. here and to enact tbis legislation. I reserve the remainder of It is not a dictatorship, if that is what the gentleman has in my time. mind, which many alleged republican governments are to-day, The SPEAKER. The question is on the motion of the gentle both in South America and elsewhere. In Poland the people man from New York [Mr. FisH] to suspend the rules and pass elect a legislative as embly and they elect members to their the bill. Senate. It is a constitutional government, and although pos The question was taken. sibly at times their former President, the famous General The SPEAKER. In the opinion of the Chair the vote in the Pilsudski who played such a tremendous part in the late war, affirmative is unanimous. has at times, I understand, attempted to interfere with the So, two-thirds having voted in favor thereof, the rules were workings of the National A sembly, yet the government is not suspended and the bill was passed. only republiran in form, but it is constitutional, and is operating CONSENT CALE "DAR successfully in a normal and capable manner. Mr. LUCE. Would the gentleman further benefit the pages The SPEAKER. The Clerk will call the next bill on the Con ·of the RECORD at any rate by explaining briefly what is the sent Calendar. practical bearing of a proposal like this to raise the representa FEDERAL PROBATION OFFICERS tion in a foreign country from a legation to an embassy? The ne:rt business on the Consent Calendar was the bill (H. R. Mr. FISH. It is in a broad sense an act of friendship toward 3975) to amend sections 726 and 727 of title 18, United States a powerful and friendly nation with a large population to say Code, with reference to Federal probation officers, and to add a that we desire to accord them that same diplomatic relation new section thereto. that we have already accorded to many other nations of equal The SPEAKER pro tempore {Mr. SNELL). Is there objection size and importance and that we believe at this time that to the pre ent consideration of the bill? Poland is entitled to that recognition which the Congress of :Mr. LAGUARDIA. Mr. Speaker, reserving the right to object, the United States and President Hoover desire to offer. In I suggest that perhaps this ·would be a good bill to take up on addition, there are in the United States several million Ameri Wednesday, because I am going to offer an amen~ent, and I can citizens of Poli b orig~ who have done much to promote think for the sake of orderly procedure we would better do so at the development and progress of our own country. These for that time. eign-born citizens are honest, industrious, and patriotic and The SPEAKER pro tempore. Does the gentleman from New many of the younger generation enlisted and served in our York make a request? armed forces during the World War. Mr. LAGUARDIA. Yes; I ask unanimous consent that the Mr. LUCE. Then it lias no actual effect upon the condition bill be pa ed over without prejudice. of these relations between the two countries, but is a matter of Mr. GRAHAM. I hope the gentleman will not persist in that dignity and honor. request. The only reason why the bill was put on the Unani 1\Ir. FISH. That is the main reason for it. mous Consent Calendar was the fact that it was reported twice Mr. HOOPER. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yit'!ld? by the committee and extensive hearings had on it and it had Mr. FISH. Yes. been passed by the House. The amendment that the gentleman Mr. HOOPER. Will the gentleman state if be knows whether from New York desires to offer was then offered to the bill, but the great European powers, Great Britain, Germany, France, the House rejected it. I supposed that a bill having had such have ministers or ambassadors in Poland. full consideration and being familiar to everybody ought to be Mr. FISH. The President of the United States some months put on the Consent Calendar. ago stated at the ceremonies in connection with the one hun dred and fiftieth anniversary of the death of that great Polish 1\Ir. LAGUARDIA . . Let me suggest to the gentleman from patriot Casimir Pulaski, that he desired to raise the Polish Pennsylvania that the Oivil Service Commis ion is holding an Legation to an embassy, and since that time I believe Great examination for these very positions. Permit me to say with Britain bas taken steps to send an ambas ador to Warsaw, aU due respect, that my amendment is not one that can imply Poland. France bas had an embassy in Poland for a number be brushed aside as being of no merit. The work of a probation of years. I do not know about the diplomatic status of the other officer is of great importance. We have had several years' countries. I reserve the remainder of my time. experience with it. The reason why this provision is contained 1\Ir. O'CONNELL of New York. Mr. Speaker and gentlemen in the bill is that one judge wants to appoint a man who is of the llouse, this is a unanimous report from the Committee too old to take the position and another judge wants to appoint on Foreign Affairs of the House, which went into this matter a woman. very carefully. The question, as my distinguished colleague The SPEAKER pro tempore. Objection is heard. The Clerk from New York [Mr. FISH] stated, arose in the committee as will report the next bill. to whether or not the elevation of this officer in Poland from a MASSAORE OF JEWS AND AMERICAN aiTIZENS IN PALFSTINE minister to an ambassador should originate in the House or through the Executive. In 1909, February 23, the Congress Mr. FISH. Mr. Speaker, I ask unailimous consent to extend enacted a law that no new ambassador shall be created unless my remarks in the RECORD. the arne ~ball be provided for by act of Congress. The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection? Everyone knows that in this country we have an immense There was no objection. number of aliens and Americans who were aliens, who came Mr. FISH. Mr. Speaker, under leave to extend my remarks. from Poland. In every instnnce they are practically among I insert a speech made by me at Madison Avenue Methodist the best material in the Nation. In certain sections of the Episcopal Church, Madison Avenue and Sixtieth Street, New country they have gone out and built up practically prin~- York City, under the auspices of the Federation of Churches, 1930 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 1997 on Sunday, September 15,. 1929, at 8 p. m., protesting the As the sponsor of the Zionist resolution which was adopted by the mas acre of Jews and .American citizens in Palestine. Congress of the United States, in favor of establishing a homeland for · The speech is as follows : the Jewish people in Palestine, I believe that our Government has a moral obligation to exert its infiuence to have the lives and property of The whole civilized world has been horrified by the massacre and Jewish people in Palestine safeguarded. There can be no question that butchery of a hundr·ed or more defenseless Jews in Palestine during the in accordance with our traditional policy the American Government is last week by a horde of fanatical and lawless Moslems. A dispute called upon to make every effort in its power to protect the lives ·and arising over the control of the wailing wall at Jerusalem, sacred to property of American citizens throughout Palestine where 11 of our the Jewish faith, is the ostensible cause of the bloody uprising by citizens have already been murdered. the Arabs, who claim that their religious -rights had been interfered I agree with the recent statement of President Hoover that out of with at the walling wall by the Jews. this tragedy a new and greater national home for the Jewish people It matters little now what the actual origin of the tragedy was, as will emerge in Palestine. There can be no faltering by the wayside public opinion in civilized nations is united in condemning murder as and no sounding of retreat for the Jewish people. Let Israel gird up a means of settlement of racial or religious disputes. It is self- its loins and be prepared to defend and if necessary to fight for its evident, from the reports printed in the newspapers of Europe and rights in Palestine, guaranteed not only by the United States and America, that the Arabs had planned and organized the bloody butchery Great Britain but by practically every civilized ation in the world. of the Jews with as much secrecy and preparedness as the massacre of The Jewish people, Zionist and non-Zionist, stand together unterri the Huguenots was plotted and carried out in France on St. Bartholo- fied and unafraid, determined to bring the guilty to justice and build mew's Day at the orders of Catherine de' Medici. up a bigger and better Jewish colony in Palestine, to restore the conn- The Arabs' uprising was not warf-nre but murder planned and organ- try and to make it flourish as the land of milk and honey of Biblical ized, and there should not be any division of public opinion in condon- days, and to see to it that the property and lives of Jews, Christians, ing, directly or indirectly, this horrible butchery of innocent men and and Moslems are protected from lawless .mobs by an adequate police women of Jewish faith. force and by the armed forces of Great Britain as long as she holds The respon ibility for these murders rests squarely on the fanatical the mandate. Public opinion the world over demands of Great Britain Arabs, and not one of them guilty of shedding human blood, whether it that such a tragedy shall not ba.ppen again. be Jew or Gentile or of American citizens, should escape the just penal- ties of the law. &EPORTERS IN UNITED STA.TES COURTS · The British Government must bear its share of the blame and re- The next business on the Consent Calendar was the bill (H. R. sponsibility for not discovering the plans of the Arabs in time, and for 7587) to authorize the appointmen~ of r~porters in the co~rts not taking adequate steps to put down the uprising as soon as it was of the United States and to fix their duties and compensation. started and for not protecting the lives and property of the men and The title of the bill was read. women of the Jewish faith, as the Government was pledged to do under The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection? the Balfour declaration, encouraging Jews · to make Palestine a Mr. HOOPER. Reserving the right to object, Mr. Speaker, homeland. I do not intend to object to the bill, but I want to ask the gen- The steps taken by the British Government were not only belated but Heman from New York a question. I notice in section 4 the inadequate, and as a result 11 American students in a college at following language: Hebron were slaughtered in cold blood without any means of defense. The compensation o! such reporters for services and transcripts and I am not one of those that delight in twisting the lion's tail simply to their duties, and the rules and regulations relating thereto, shall be hear him roar. I count myself as a friend of Great Britain, but im- paL·tial judgment must admit that the British administration under the prescribed by rules to be adopted by the district court in each district. mandate in Palestine was not only lax but criminally negligent in not In my district we have reporters paid by the State on a scale taking proper steps to safeguard the lives of Jews and Christians from determined by the different coun__ties. In one county, thickly being mas acred by fanatical Arabs. Can it be that the hands of the populated, the court reporters are paid a hig~er amount than British Government are tied, anu that it is fearful to offend the vast in thinly populated counties. Is there not gomg to be a great Mo Iem population in the British Empire by putting down the bloody deal of difficulty in determining how these stenographers are to revolt in Palestine with firmness and justice to all? be paid, under the rule applied h re, .in courts where they are For a long time I have been a convinced Zionist, but never more now paid in the way I have just mentioned? convinced or more firm in my belief than since the cold-blooded murder Mr. MICHENER. Th-e gentleman will recall that that was of over a hundred defenseless J ews in Palestine, which has aroused discus ed in the committee. both Christian and Jew alike to protest and denounce this offense Mr. GRAHAM. Yes. The matter was discussed in the com against civilization. Nothing else has brought home to the Jews, mittee · and where there is a dual provision, it is a matter for ,;cattered throllgh the world, the nece sity of united effort to help the co~rt to choose which is the right one to adopt, and the rebuild Palestine and make it a place where Jews coul-d live in peace court has the power to adopt that one which it thinks is more and tranquillity under the protection of the British mandate. nearly in conformity with the language of thi bill. The result of the massacre in Palestine has not been to crush the Mr. MICHENER. In a condition like that in Detroit, the Jew in Palestine or the cause of Zionism in America, but to unite them rate adopted undoubtedly would be the rate adopted in the and make them more determined to help the pioneers among their district where the court is sitting and where the conditions are coreligionists in Palestine. The history of the Jewish race during the I identical. pa t 1,900 years demonstrates clearly that it has never been crushed by Mr. HOOPER. Of course the procedure might vary in the cruelty or contempt or by unequal laws or illegal oppression, and that United States courts. pogroms or massacres have never broken the sp~rit _of the Jewish people Mr. MICHENER. I suppose, as the gentleman from Michigan or shattered their unconquerable hopes and ~sprrations. points out the compensation would vary in different parts of The manifes: answer t? th? Ara~ attacks lS ~at t~e Jews are deter- the country, and the compensation paid in ~~w York would no mined to rebmld Palestine m spite of all difficulties. The Jews of doubt be greater than that paid in smaller Cities. America are united in demanding that the Jewish martyrs butchered by Mr HOOPER. I will say to the gentleman that I have no ( Arabs in Palestine did not die in vain. The murder o! these martyrs objection to the bill. has aroused human sympathy the world over, and the1r outraged and Mr GREENWOOD. It occurs to me that each judge would indignant coreligionists will see to it that the ideals .and traditions for have ·the right to appoint a reporter. which those. pio~eers went to ~eU: martyrdom will be upheld and Mr. LAGUARDIA. Mr. Speaker, further reserving the right carried on With rncreased determmation. . . . . to object, and I intend to object-- Palestine is the cradle of three great religl.O~S, and Christians ~ho Mr. GRAHAM. Then do it right away. want to worship at the holy places naturally ~esue that the same right Mr. LAGUARDIA. Then I will do it. I object. If the corn- be accorded to Jews and Moslems. T?ere ~s no r~ason _why lUlder mittee wants to take that attitude, that goes for all such bills. British control ther~ s~ould not be a fan bas1s ?f co~p~ratio~ between. Let us see if you can get any other similar bills through. Arab, Jew, and Chnstian to respect each others rellgtous nghts and The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Clerk will report the next sacred places. The. Jews ar: not trying to displace the Arabs, ~ut bill. endeavoring to rebuild Palestme, and have already done much to• brmg AMENDMENT TO THE JUDICIAL CODE prosperity into a land desolated by the Turks for over 500 years. The funds which have been largely raised in the United States, have gone The next business on the Consent Calendar was the bill (H. R. toward building roads, the maintenance of hospitals, fighting disease, 23) to amend the Judicial Code by adding a new section, to be improving farms, and the deYelopment of the whole country, which has numbered 274 D. benefited the Arab population. The main objectiye of Christian, Jew, The Clerk read the title of the bill. and Moslem at the present time should be to assure protection for all, The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the present the safeguarding of all religious rights and sacred places, on a basis of consideration of the bill? amity and e4uality, and peace on earth and good will toward men. Mr. COLLINS. Mr. Speaker, I object. 1998 CONGR.ESSION .A.L R.EOORD-HOUSE JANUARY 20 PERMISSION FOR THE UNITED STATES TO BE MADE .A PARTY e~ICe, and when the conference was held, in order to save the DEFENDANT IN CERTAIN CASES b~ and g_e~ some reli~f fo.r the people who were suffering under The next business on the Consent Calendar was the bill (H. R. this condition of affaus, 1t was conceded that with one or two 980) to permit the United States to be made a party defendant amendments we would adopt the senatorial bill. in certain cases. 'Ye b~ought it back to the House and the House approved 'J;he Clerk read the title of the bill. of It. Now, then, that mea ·ure was subjected to a pocket veto The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the present not becau e, I claim, of the House's action or the House bill or con ideration of the bill? anybody in the department objecting to the House bill uut be :Mr. HAWLEY. Mr. Speaker, reserYing the right to object, I cause the Senate bill, as the amendment made this measure de ire to ask the chairman of the committee if in this matter stand before the country. the Treasury was heard? This bill proposes to subordinate, Mr. HA WLEI'. The gentleman has not answered my ques under certain conditions, the claims of the United States Gov tion. What did the Treasury say would be the effect on the ernment for taxes on property where liens have been placed by Treasur! in the co_llection of taxes that were not paid and others and to make the claim of the United States in the nature where liens were laid on property for their collection? of a junior lien. Was the Treasury heard on this bill? Mr. GRAHAM. No change whatever. 1\Ir. GRAHAl\1. I would reply to the gentleman that this Mr. HAWLEY. Did the gentleman's committee have a letter bill was reported not for the purpose of subordinating any liens to that effect from the Treasury? of the Government to any other lien but because real estate ~lr: GRAH;A-l\1. I h:=tve told the gentleman. The gentleman's is fettered now throughout the country in such a way that there qmzzrng me rn that direction is due, I fear, to the fact that I is a clamor for relief. did not make myself clear or the gentleman did not understand Every building association and every title and trust com what I. said. I. stated th?-t we. conferred with the Department pany that passes on titles is calling for an amendm~mt that of Ju ~ tice, and It was thell' busmess, as counsel for the Govern will enable the owner of a piece of real estate to unfetter it ment, to ferret out these conditions. from the lien which the Government might have on it, and it 1\Ir. HAWLEY. Does the gentleman know that the Depart applies only to those cases where there is a lien on the property ment of Justice conferred with the Treasury Department? acquired before the Government's lien attached. It only pro Mr. GRAHAM. I assume they did. vides a method by which the Government can be made a party Mr. CHI~"'DBLOM. I will ~ay to the gentleman, if I may, and that lien disposed of by a judicial sale, in the same manner the Tl.·easury Department adviSes me they have not been con in which liens are disposed of in every State, and ought to be sulted about this bill. in every Federal court throughout the land. :Mr. GRAHAM. That I can not help. I do not know whether 1\Ir. HAWLEY. What effect will it have on the liens the that is true or fal8e. Government places on property for the nonpayment of income Mr. CHINDBLOM. I will say further that section 3186 taxes? which it is proposed to amend here, was incorporated and Mr. GRAHAM. There is a provision in the law now where amended in the revenue act of 1928, and is a part of the revenue the parties can bring the collector or the department into court law; and in the u ual course this bill, of course, should have and have an adjudication of the tax liens, but this is intended g_one to the Committee on Ways and Means, which has jurisdic to apply where, for instance, a party has in good faith· advanced tion of the revenue act, and, perhaps, that is the reason the money on mortgage and holds a first lien. Under the present matter comes here without any report from the Treasury De law there is no way of unfettering the real estate from the partment, for certainly the Committee on Ways and Means subordinate lien of the Government. This act is intended to would not have acted in the matter without getting the views provide a method by which the Government may be brought of the Treasury. Section 3186 was amended in the revenue act tnto court, and this whole question be adjudicated and the of. 1928 after _long bearings and much discussion by that com decree of the United States court carried out, either in a United mittee. I notice that the repO'rt of the committee says that the States court or in a State court where, if it be a proceeding in legislation has been recommended for a number of years by the rem, a proceeding in rem is there pending. American Bar A sociation and others. Some of those recom Mr. HAWLEY. Suppose the amount of the lien of the first mendations I know were made before the revenue act of 1928 lienor or lienors, plus the amount of the Government's lien for was passed and before the Ways and Means Committee pro taxes, is more than the property sells for ; who loses? posed the amendment to section 3186, which was incorporated in Mr. GRAHAM. The money will be applied to the lienors the revenue act of 1928. in the order in which their liens are established against the The revenue act of 1928 does not leave the law in the condi property. tion in which the gentleman from Pennsylvania, as I under Mr. HAWLEY. My interest at this time is to ascertain stood him, stated a while ago, because there is a remedy under whether the Treasury was consulted, and whether, according to the amendment in the revenue act in 1928 by which parties its judgment and experience, the pending bill is the best solution intere ted in these liens can go to the Treasury Department and of the problems involved. In the case I have submitted, if the secure releases directly without court action upon proper repre amount is not sufficient to pay both liens, the Government will sentation. be the loser, in accord with present law? Mr. GRAHAl\1. I wish to say, first, that so far as the refer Mr. GRAHAM. If it holds the junior encumbrance, and if ence of bilLs to a committee of the House is concerned, I confess it does, why should it not be the loser? If a lien had been I am not always able to follow the rules of reference and, there placed upon the property in the shape of a mortgage, yours or fore, myself and committee have decided to take what comes mine, why should a subsequent lien for taxes disturb the to us in the usual and customary way and make no conte t with security of the mortgage? any other committee or any other body in the House. We try Mr. HAWLEY. Did the gentleman's committee make inquiry to do our work as it comes to us and answer for our conduct of the Treasury Department to find out what effect this legis when we come to the floor. lation would have on the collection of taxes and the probable Now, I wish to say the· gentleman is referring to an act that amount of taxes the Government would lose? relates solely to the collection of taxes and to the Revenue Mr. GRAHAM. What we did was this: The matter was Bureau and that act, with all its provisions, is utterly inadeqllate submitted to the Department of Justice and they were to take to accomplish what is sought to be accomplished by this bill; it up with the tax department and report their conclusions and, in addition to that, I will say to the gentleman that if this with regard to the passage of this law. Conferences were held bill were passed, that act remains unaltered and unrepealed with the officers of trust companies throughout the country in upon the statute books, just as it is. We have investigated that all the large centers where that business is carried on, as well thoroughly and have reached the conclusion that unle s it is as with the representatives of building association . After the expressly repealed by language leaving no room for any other field had been threNhed over a long time finally this plan of implication, that law stands, it being a special law and this procedure was evolved as one satisfactory to the department being a general law, and this principle any lawyer in the House and also satisfactory to the people whose titles and interests will admit. were concerned. Mr. HAWLEY. Speaking of the section that m~· colleague Mr. HAWLEY. My intere t in this matter is from the ha referred to, the administrative features of tbe reven"'le act standpoint of the collection of taxes and the adoption of the of 1928 were sulljected to a very careful con. ideratioL by a be t methods for that purpose. committee of tax experts from the outside, as well a tax £:xperts Mr. GRAHAM. The bill passed the HouAe in this form. It in the employ of the GoYernment, and that paragraph was was reported out of committee, it came before this House it amended to provide certain remedies. passed this House, and when it went to the Senate a Sen~tor Mr. GRAHAM. Which paragTapll? moved to strike out all after the enacting clause and insert a Mr. HAWLEY. Section 3186. new bill. We refused to concur. The matter went to confer- Mr. GRAHAM. That still remains the law. :1930 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 1999 Mr. HAWLEY. That was put in to meet a certain condition lieved and your lien as ertecl. The Treasury ought not to have which is sought to be modified by this bill, or else the bill would the right to a dollar's worth of the property that was security be of no use and would not be here. behind your mortgage. It is only entitled to its subsequent lien Mr. GRAHAM. Oh, res; where that law is defective and on the equity in the real estate. inapplicable this law operates. l\lr. HAWLEY. If the gentleman will permit, the gentleman 1\Ir. CHI~T])BLOM . That is, where the revenue act of 19'28 is from Pennsylvania has attributed many statements to me that defective it is now to be altered or amended. I did not make. M:r. GRAHAM. That does not cover the matter. 1\Ir. GRAHAM. Then I apologize. 1\Ir. LAGUARDIA. If the gentleman will permit, if there are Mr. HAWLEY. l\Iy sole purpose in rising was to raise the sufficient assets the Government does not lose anything, and if question whether the Department of the Treasury, which ha there are not sufficient assets and there is a prior lien it is charge of the revenue laws, has been con ulted. It is not suffi wii ed out. That is all this bill does, except to provide the cient to say that the Department of Justice has been consulted, machinery for wiping it out. because it has nothing· to do with raising revenue. Here is a Mr. STAFFORD. If the gentleman will yield, may I inquire bill of importance affecting a piece of legislation carefully of the chairman of the Ways and Means Committee whether he wrought out. If it is a good bill it can stand a day or two of ha considered this bill? It is of a remedial character, safe investigation by the department to which it ought to have been referred. guarding the interests of the Government, and does not affect 1\Ir. GRAHAM. 1\Ir. Speaker, I will consent to the bill being the revenue at all, and as I read it is a matter within the juris· passed over without prejudice. diction of the Committee on the Judiciary. The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the bill Mr. HAWLEY. The thought I have in mind is that it is a being passed over without prejudice? bill affecting the revenue and its collection and the security for There was no objection. the collection of revenues, and that the Treasury should have been consulted. 'IO AMEND THE ACT AUTHORIZING CONSTRUCTION OF A MEMORIAL Mr. STAFFORD. It only affects the remedy. It only applies HIGHWAY TO MOUNT \ERN ON to the lien. The next business on the Consent Calendar was Senate Joint Mr. HAWLEY. If the gentleman will permit, the Treasury Resolution 91, to amend sections 3 and 4 of the act entitled Department is the department chargeable with the collection of "An act to authorize and direct the survey, construction, and the revenue. If the Treasury Department had written a letter maintenance of a memorial highway to connect Mount Vernon, stating it had examined the provisions of this bill and did not in the State of Virginia, with the Arlington . Memorial Bridge disapprove of them or approved of them directly; then the gen across the Potomac River at Washington." tlemen who are on the committee charged with the raising of The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection? the revenue and legislation affecting such revenue would not Thet'e was no objection. be in a position to raise any question about it; but it seems to The Clerk read the bill, as follows : me the Treasury Department not having been consulted, not Resol-r:ed, etc., That section 3 of the act entitled "An act to authorize having been requested to report on the bill, they may have very and di.i.-ect the survey, construction, and maintenance of a memorial important sugge tions to make or very important questions to highway to connect Mount Vernon, in the State of Virginia, with the rai e, because the collection of the revenue is not a simple mat Arlington Memorial Bridge across the Potomac River at Washington," ter. It involves a great many problems and intricacies that approved May 23, 1928 ( 45 Stat. L. 721, 722), be, and the same hereby we have sought for years to work out in a way that would is, amended by the addition of the following language : " and to make make the collection of the revenue easy ot administration and such lands wh~ch would be in harmony with the Di:,trict of Columbia equitable. river and harbor plan of the War Department, pursuant to the act of To put in a provision on which the Treasury has had no July 18, 1918." opportunity to express its opinion, it seems to me might have SEC. 2. That section 4 of said act be, and the same hereby is, results no one at present anticipates and I am going to ask the amended by striking out that part of said section which reads: "When .gentleman to let it go over. ever it becomes necessary to acquire by condemnation proceedings any 1\Ir. GRAHAM. I wish to add to what I have already said lands in the State of Virginia for the purpose of carrying out the pro that I think after a bill of this kind has been considered in com visions of this act, such proceedings shall conform to the laws of said mittee, has been considered in the Department of Justice most State now in force in reference to Federal condemnation proceedings," carefully, and controversial discussions have been had about it and by substituting in lieu thereof the following: " Whene.ver it becomes in one Congress, reported on favorably, spread out upon the necessary to acquire by condemnation proceedings any lands in the records in the House, called up and considered in the whole State of Virginia for the purpose of carrying out the provisions of this Hou e, passed by the House, and then after the House has act, such proceedings shall conform as near as may be to the proceed pa sed upon it and the Senate differs with the House, the dif ings authorized by chapter 472 of the 1928 acts of the General Assembly ferences are sought to be ironed out, it is brought back to the of Virginia (acts of the 1928 General .Assembly of Virginia, pp. 1228- House and then finally adopted by the House, and dies under a 1230), empowering the State highway commissioner of Virginia to con pocket veto, as I understand suggested by Mr. Sargent, then demn lands for State highway purposes: Provided further, That in ad Attorney General, on the ground that the amendment of the dition to the exercise of the power of eminent domain as hereinbefore Senate took away that c·omplete control which belonged to the prov.ided, the Secretary of Agriculture is hereby authorized to enter upon and take posse~sion of such lands· and rights of ways as he may United States or the Federal courts-! say after all this has deem necessary for the purpose of this act and to proceed with the con transpired and after the bill has again been considered in com struction of such highway over and through such lands without having mittee and reported out of committee, it certainly comes with fi.rst condemned the same : Provided, howevttr, That within 60 days ill grace to say now that this bill is in the wrong committee. after taking possession of such lands and rights of way, if the United Why did you not wake up a little earlier? Why did you not States and the owner or owners thereof have been unable to agree upon rai e an objection to it? The whole House has passed on it. just compensation therefor, condemnation proceedings shall be insti 1\Ir. HAWLEY. The gentleman is attributing to me state tuted as hereinabove provided: Provided further, That it title to any ments that I did not make. lands or interest therein, required for the purposes of this act, is Mr. GRAHAM. I want to add something else. I say it with claimed by the United States and by other p ersons or corporations and an respect, for I have great respect for the gentleman from the controversy between the United States and such persons or corpora Oregon, not only personally but as chairman of a great commit· tions as to the ownership of such lands threatens delay in the construc tee, but he does not understand the legislation he is criticizing tion or completion of said highway, the Secretary of Agriculture is to-day. I want to say to you that this does not interfere with hereby authorized to enter upon and take possession of such lands, the internal revenue bill my friend refers to. That is still title to which is in dispute between the Vnited States and others, and omnipotent and existent ; it does not affect it in the slightest to proceed with the con truction of the highway over and through the degree. same, while appropriate proceedings to determine the true ownership of I want to say in addition that if you study this bill you will such lands are pending: And provtaed further, That if such lands are find that it works out a remedy that is demanded by all the finally adjudged not to belong to the United States, the owners thereof people interested in real property throughout the country. _They shall be entitled to recover from the United States just compensation a~k that where a man mortgages his property and you or I ac for their lands taken for the purposes of this act, by proceeding in quire the mortgage the Government subsequently acquires a lien accordance with provisions of the act of March 3, 1887, commonly that takes away from you your property rights in the prior known as the Tucker Act." mortgage lien and renders you helpless that Congress ought to Mr. GRAHA.l\I. Mr. Speaker, I offer the following amend pass a law providing a way by which the property can be re- ment: LXXII-126 2000 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE JANUARY 20 The Clerk read as follows: HOSPITAL FOR DEFECTIVE DELINQUENTS Page 2, lines 2 and 3, strike out the word and figures "July 18, The next business on the Consent Calendar was the bill (II. 1918" and insert the word and ligures "August 2, 1882." R. 7410) to establish a hospital for defective delinquents. The amendment was agreed to. The Clerk read the title of the bill. The bill as amended was ordered to be engrossed and read The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the pres the third time, was read the third time, and passed. ent consideration of the bill? A motion to reconsider was laid on the table. Mr. STAFFORD. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that the bill be passed over without prejudice. LIFE SAVING SERVICE The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection? The next business on the Consent Calendar was the bill There was no objection. (H. R. 5693), providing for retired pay for certain members of EMPLOYMENT OF FEDERAL PRISONERS, ~. the former Life Saving Service, equivalent to the retired pay granted to members of the Coast Guard. The next business on the Consent Calendar was the bill (H. R. The Clerk reported the title of the bill. 7412) to provide for the diver ification of employment of Fed The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the present eral prisoners, for their training and schooling in trades and consideration of the bill? occupation , and for other purposes. Mr. MERRITT. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that The Clerk read the title of the bill. the bill be passed over without prejudice. The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the pres The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection? ent consideration of the bill? There was no objection. Mr. LAGUARDIA. 1\Ir. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that it be pas ed over without prejudice. UNITED STATES PRISONS The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection? The next busines on the Consent Calendar was the bill There was no objection. (H. R. 6807) establishing two institutions for the confinement PAROLE OF UNITED STATES PRISONERS of United States prisoners. The Clerk reported the title of the bill. The next business on the Consent Calendar was the bill (H. R. The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the present 7413) to amend an act providing for the parole of United States con ideration of the bill? prisoners, approved June 25, 1910, as amended. l\Ir. STAFFORD. Mr. Speaker, reserving the right to object, The Clerk read the title of the bill there come now on the calendar four or five important bills The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the pres reported by the Committee on the Judiciary, all of an allied ent consideration of the bill? character. Does not the gentleman from Pennsylvania [Mr. Mr. STAFFORD. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent GRAHAM] think it advisable to pass these over and to take that the bill be passed over without prejudice. them up on Calendar Wednesday? The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection? Mr. GRAHAM. Mr. Speaker, I have no objection to their There was no objection. going over to Calendar Wednesday, if the House feels that we BETIREJ.fENT DATE FOR AUTHORIZED REI'illE:MENTS OF FEDERAL ought not to consider them at this time. It is only because of PERSO. NEL the crowded state of the penitentiaries, of the condition of suf fering that there is in these prisons, and of the unanimity ~ith The next business on the Consent Calendar was the bill whic:h the e bills were presented, having originated in the De (H. R. 7414) to provide for a uniform retirement date for partment of Justice, being approved by the superintendent of authorized retirements of Fe AD.TUSTMENT OF W A.TER BIGHT CHARGES ON FEDERAL IBJUGA.TION Mr. CRAMTON. If the gentleman will yield, I think it is a PROJECTS bill to settle a lawsuit, is it not? Mr. CRAMTON. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous eonsent that Mr. LEAVITT. It might have that result. the next bill on the Calendar (H. R. 4291) be passed over in Mr. DOUGLASS of Arizona. What sort of a lawsuit? order that I may make a further study of it. Mr. CRAMTON. There are a lot of folks up in Montana The SPEAKER pro tempore. Without objection, it is so who in rainy years are sure they do not need irrigation and they do not want to be in this project; in dry years they think ordered. There was no objection. differently. Mr. LEAVITT. If it were not so late in the day I would RELIEF ON FEDERAL IRRIGATION PROJECTS say something in regard to that. The next business on the Consent Calendar was the bill The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection? (H. R. 8296), to amend the act of May 25, 1926, entitled "An There was no objection. act to adjust water-right charges, to grant certain other relief The Clerk read the bill, as follows: on the Federal irrigation projects, and for other purposes." Be 't enootea, etc., That the act of May 25, 1926 ( 44 Stat. L. 636), be, The Clerk read the title of the bill. and the same is hereby, amended by adding after section 20 of said act The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the present sections 20-A and 20-B, as follows : consideration of the bill? " SEc. 20-A. There shall be deducted from the total cost chargeable Mr. CRAMTON. Mr. Speaker, reserving the right to object, to the Chinook division of this project the following sums : I notice in the report in connection with this bill that the In~ · "(1) Twenty~ne thousand six hundred and eighty~four dollars and terior Department suggests the nature of the contract which fifty-cight cents, or such amount as represents the construction cost this district should enter into for repayment in the event this as found by the Secretary of the Interior against the following lands : .relief is given. I do not see that the bill, in my hasty reading "(a) One thousand seven hundred and seventy and seventeen one~ of it, expressly requires a 2().year limitation for repayment. I hundredths acres permanently unproductive because of nonagricultural will be glad to be advised by the gentleman from Montana. character. Mr. LEAVITT. The gentleman will find on page 2, line 16, " Szc. 20-B. All payments upon construction charges shall be sus~ these words : pended against the :tollowing lands in the Chinook division : The Secretary of the Interior, as a condition precedent to the allow~ "(a) Twelve thousand six hundred and seventeen and sixty-four one ance of the benefits otl'ered under sections 20-a and 20-b, shall require hundredths acres temporarily unproductive because of heavy oil and each irrigation district within the Chinook division to execute a con~ seepage; (b) 11,307 acres :tor which no canal system has been con tract providing for repayment of the construction charges as hereby structed, all as shown by the land classification of the Chinook division suggested within 20 years and upon a schedule satisfactory to said made under the direction of the Secretary of the Interior ana approved .Secretary. by him under date of January -, 1930. The Secretary of the Interior, as a condition precedent to the allowance of the benefits offered under Which is exactly the point the gentleman has in mind. sections 20-A and 20-B, shall require each irrigation district within Mr. CRAMTON. In view of the long time that has already the Chinook division to execute a contract providing for repayment of elapsed and all the conditions that seems a very fair and desir~ the construction charges as hereby adjusted within 20 years and upon able provision. a schedule satisfactory to said Secretary; and no water from the St. The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection? Mary River watershed shall be furnished for the irrigation of lands Mr. DOUGLAS of Arizona. Mr. Speaker, reserving the right within any district after the irrigation season of 1930 until the required to object, I would like to ask a few questions about this bill, if contract has been duly executed." I may. What was the original acreage estimated to be included within the project? The bill was ordered to be engrossed and read the third time, MI·. LEAVITT. The original acreage was given as 55,000 was read the third time, and passed. acres, but on the survey that has been made in connection with A motion to reconsider was laid on the table. this bill it has proven to be 57,542.4 acres. That increase is BRIDGE ACROSS THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER AT ST. LOUIS brought about by additional lands to which ditches have been Mr. DYER. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to take extended. up a, bill on the Consent Calendar, No. 85 (H. R. 7642), to ex Mr. DOUGLAS of Arizona. How was the additional cost tend the time for completing the construction of a bridge aero s incidental to the construction of the additional ditches allocated the Mississippi River at or near St. Louis, Mo. among the lands? It is simply to continue the authority to make certain exten~ Mr. LEAVITl'. A great part of this, I will say to the gentle~ sions and additions to a free bridge now built at St. Louis. man, was covered by ditches constructed before the irrigation Mr. TILSON. Is it a case of emergency, will the gentleman project as a Federal project was completed. Some of this comes state? within those ditches, and when the water begins to be used they Mr. DYER. It is an emergency, because the present act find it necessary to extend laterals, those laterals being ex· expires on j:he lith of February, and I would like to have it tended according to the usual practice by the water users them considered now, so that it may be considered in the Senate selves. . and signed by the President before the law has expired. 1\Ir. DOUGLAS of Arizon,a. As I gather from roughly read~ The SPEAKER. The Clerk will report the bill. ing this bill there has been a certain amount of the land The Clerk read the bill, as follows: eliminated from the project? Be it enacted, etc., That the time for completing the construction of Mr. LEAVITT. Yes. approaches and also extensions or · additions thereto of the municipal Ir. DOUGLAS of Arizona. Have there been any correspond~ bridge across the Mississippi River, at St Louis, Mo., authorized to be ing reductions in the amounts of money to be repaid? built by the city of St. Louis, Mo., by an act of Congress approved Mr. LElA VITT. Yes. The situation is this: The act of 1926, June 25, 1906, and heretofore extended by acts of C AMERICAN AGAINST FOREIGN SHIPS . Postmaster General to award the contract to tbe Mississippi Shipping · Mr. DAVIS. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to ex Co. knew more about the laws than the Comptroller General. tend my remarks on a bill I have introduced to amend the However, after some of these Government officials learn a little more merchRnt marine act by including a telegram and two brief about our foreign commerce and our merchant marine laws they will letters addressed to me from the Marine News, the Missis- probably agree with us that Congress intended our shipping lines to be ·ippi Valley Association, and the Middle West Foreign Trade owned by the domestic communities primarily interested and it in Committee. tended the mail aids should be given the purchasers of these lines; and The SPEAKER. Without objection, it is so ordered. that the well-established policy of the Shipping Board of preference There was no objection. to operators in sales is sound and in accord with the law. Mr. DAVIS. Mr. Speaker, the bill (H. R. 8361) which I We want no monopolies and we want no Government money given introduced to amend the merchant marine act, 1928, so as to to operators of foreign-flag ships. Neither do we see why industrial provide that ocean mail contracts shall not be awarded to com companies should be aided under the Jones-White law. Our committee panies operating foreign-flag ships in competition with Ameri hopes the Congress will make your amendment a part of the law before can-flag ships has met a most favorable reception among any more mail contracts are awarded. Members of the Congress and throughout the country. As Best wishes and kindest regards, I am, typical of the expressions, and under leave granted, I am here Very sincerely yours, with inserting in the RECORD a letter from the Marine News, of MALCOLM M. STEWABT. Chairman• . New York, one of the leading shipping journals; a telegram .A...... \'"DREW JACKSON from the 1\Ii issippi Valley Association, covering about 30 Mr. McSWAIN. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to States; and a letter from the Middle West Foreign Trade Com extend my remarks by printing my own remarks in an address mittee, having organizations in 17 States, as follows: made at Wooster, Ohio, on January 8, on the one- hundred and THill NEw YORK MARl~.& NEws Co. (INc.), fifteenth anni,-ersary of the Battle of New Orleans. New York, N. Y., JanUat'1f 10, 1930. The SPEAKER. Without objection, it is so ordered. Hon. EWIN L. DAVIS, There was no objection. House of Representatives, Waslzington, D. C. Mr. McSWAIN. Mr. Speaker, I am informed that this DEAR Co~GRESSMAN DAvis: I note in the press that you have intro beautiful little city in Ohio has celebrated the same historic duced a resolution to the effect that the Postmaster General be directed, event for the last 75 consecuti,-e years. It may be of interest in awarding mail contracts under the Jones-White Act, to give consid to the Members of the House to know that the celebration eration only to 100 per cent American steamship companies in order this year was of a very hi t)'h order, consisting of a rich and to discourage the making of, or continuance of, foreign affiliations or abundant dinner, with vocal and instrumental music and sev the ownership of foreign-flag yessels by American shipowners. eral addresses, especially one by Judge A. D. Metz, a veteran We are heartily in favor of this policy, and I am writing to ask if Democrat and an outstanding and upstanding citizen. The you will be so kind as to send me a copy of your resolution, together exercises were presided ol"er by a former Member of this House with any comment you may care to make on this situation. for the Sixty-eighth, Sixty-ninth, and Seventieth Congresses, Thanking you for your courtesy, I remain, very truly yours, the Hon. John McSweeney. I was fortunate to be entertained H. J. HARDING, in the home of Mr. McSweeney, where he and his accomplished Editor the Marine News. and gracious wife dispense continually a gene.raous and de lightful hospitality. [Telegram] Once in this home, one is impressed with the atmosphere of culture and traditional refinement. The explanation is that for ST. Lours, M:o., January 18, 1~0. about three-quarters of a century, the same house has been oc Hon. EwrN L. DAVIS, cupied by educated and intelligent men and women, beginning House Office Building: with John McSweeney, the grandfather of our former colleague, The Mississippi Valley Association has always consistently advocated and followed by his son, John McSweeney, father of the present and indorsed Government aid for the upbuilding of our merchant head of the family by the same name. marine, and we heartily indorse and hope Congress will promptly From several of the older citizens of the community, including adopt your amendment prohibiting award of mail contracts to com the Hon. L. R. Critchfield, I was informed of the conspicuous panies operating foreign-flag ships in competition with American-flag and outstanding ability of the first John McSweeney. It seems ships. It would be contrary to the purpose of the act to have any that he was born of Irish stock in western New York, on August part of the aid intended for the development of the American :Mer 30, 1824. His father moved westward into Ohio, and there both chant Marine used to pay for operating foreign-flag ships in competition father and mother died, while their only child was still of very with our own ships. tender years. Intrusted to the guardianship of a stranger, a MISSISSIPPI VALLEY ASSOCIATION, lawyer of Canton by the name of Harris, who set an example of By LAcHLAN MACLE.H, SecretarY. honesty and intelligent guardianship for all others to follow, he was well educated, and finally trained in the law and was ad MIDDLE WEST FonEIG~ TRADE CoMMITTE», mitted to the bar about the year 1845. By his magnificent pres CHAMBER OF COMMERCE BUILDING, ence, by his overwhelming eloquence, by his broad and com Cincinnati, OMQ, Jan-uary 14, 11J30. manding knowledge, he soon acquired an outstanding position Hon. EwrN L. DAVIS, among the leading lawyers of the State of Ohio, and this pre House Office BuiZding, Washington, D. 0. eminence he maintained until the day of his death, on January MY DEAR JuDGE DAVIS : Our organization is in thorough accord with 22, 1890. He took rank with such lawyers as John Sherman, your amendment to forbid the award of mail contracts to companies Thomas Bartley, Thomas Corwin, D. K. Carter, and was associ operating, directly or indirectly, foreign-flag ships in competition with ated with Robert G. Ingersoll in the defense of Dorsey and A.merican·flag ships. It would be a remarkable state of affairs if Gov others in the celebrated star-route trials in the city of Washing ernment money is to be used in fostering the competition of foreign-flag ton. ships with our own ships. In the same house lil"ed John McSweeney, the second, who was The Middle West Foreign Trade Committee has actively supported the born on August 31, 1854. He, too, was a lawyer of thorough establishment and maintenance of our American-fiag shipping services learning, of superb eloquence, and of outstanding charactei'. and all legislation proposed for the purpo e of insuring the maintenance Trained in the best school , colleges, and universities of the of the ·e lines. We urged the enactment of the Jones-White bill because land, his mind was a rich storehouse of information upon all we felt it made sure of the maintenance of our services and their trans branches of knowledge, casting a reflected light upon the law. fer to the local private companies as conditions warranted, with the In this house our friend and former colleague, John mail aids to enable these private companies to become successful owners. McSweeney, the third, was born and still lives, and we re We hope the Congress will soon amend the law to insure the award of member how he impressed us during his service here with his the mail contmcts to the local companies when they purchase the lines high sense of duty, his noble and self-effacing modesty, and his they have very materially helped to build up. broad and patriotic conception and understanding of legisla· I notice in the hearing on the post office appropriation bill some tive service. Wooster may well be proud of the three genera· of our Government officials, who ought to know better, referred to tions of the McSweeney family that have lived in the same Shipping Board sales as " hocus-pocus " and some legal views on the house in her borders. We know that the present John powers of the board as " curbstone " and " horseback " opinions. I McSweeney, in the early maturity of a vigorous young man wonder how these gentlemen would classify the so-called opinion of hood, loyal to his friends and to his political convictions, the Comptroller ~neral that the Postmaster General could not award liberal and tolerant in his views, as all big men must be, the Gulf-South American mail contract to the Mis. is ippi Shipping Co., widely and thoroughly read and traveled, counting his friends the only qualified bidder, under the previous advertisement. I am quite by the hundreds from coast to coast, is well worthy of his noble sure that the gentlemen, in and out of the Government, who urged tbe inheritance, and we confidently predict that the people of 2004 OONGRESSION AL RECORD-HOUSE JANUARY 20 Wooster will have yet greater reason to be proud of their justice, the bur~ens of war should be equalized so that not only more fellow townsman. power of every c.¥lss and condition be forced by conscription to con The address is as follows: tribute to the human forces, but those too old and too weak to · fight, LESSONS Ji'ROM THE LU'E OF ANDREW JACKSON and having large possessions of wealth at stake should contribute then, What was the picture of world affairs on January 8, 1815? We not through loans, to bear interest and to be repaid, but through direct who think in terms of telephone, telegraph, radio, and airplanes must contributions, even in the form of a capital levy, if necessary, in order rid ourselves of our environment and think back to that time when to carry on the war with revenues raised during the war, so that after there were no such quick means of communication ; when a sailboat the fighting is over the very men who did the fighting may not nlso be on the sea and a courier on the back of a horse, speeding over mud compelled to work and pay back in the form of taxes both the pl'incipa.l trails, were the only means of disseminating information. We must and interest of bonded debts. remember that for 20 years Europe bad been stirred and tossed and The third lesson is the willingn('SS of Jackson to assume responsi overturned by the genius and the ambitions of Napoleon. The Battle bility, and to go forward in achievement. Far removed from Wash of ihe Nations at Leipzig, in 1814, had seemed to end the mad career ington, contacted only by slow communications, Jack on asked Wash of this brilliant Corsican. He was still upon the Isle of Elba, resting ington only to pay the bills of his campaigns ; he alone could enlist his his body and brain beneath the Mediterranean skies, and his friends own soldiers ; he alone could supply his quartermaster's supplies and in France were secretly predicting that he would come back with the transportation ; he alone could map out a plan of campaign, antl he. violets. The old dynasties had rushed back to the places where their alone could execute on the field of battle as few other men could. In old thrones were, and the Congress of Vienna was trying to turn back the city of New Orleans before the battle he establi bed martial law, the clock of time. In that gathering, euphemistically described as a and after ihe battle, until order was restored, ruled with an iron hand, "peace conference," the machinations and intrigues of Talleyrand, even expelling a Federal judge from the city. Later in the campaign Metternich, and Castlereagh, and numerous lesser lights, were seek in Florida against the Seminole Indians he struck right and ldt, and ing to set up an order of European society based upon the theory if the blows fell upon British or Spaniard was a matter of indifference. of the " balancing of powers." to Jackson, so long as he was smiting the backbone of Indian resistance. Now, what was the situation in America on Januat•y 8, 1815? With _Though the administration at Washington trembled and feared to open a population of only about 8,000,000, for two years we had been waging the mails from Jackson's headquarters, yet his course, though seem what we call our "second war for independence." But how woefully ingly cruel, proved in the ('nd to be wise, and established indirectly the and dismally disgraceful had been the results! The cowardly sur authority and jurisdiction of the United States all over Florida. render of Detroit, the foolish invasion of Canada, the jealousy and ill What a reproach to Americans of this day-such courage and resolu concealed feuds between the commanding generals, the confu ion in the tion of Jackson! Then we were weak and untried. To-day, with a his War Department, the threatened secession of the New England States, tory of about 150 years of succ('ssful achievement, with a population the burning and sacking of the Nation's Capitol itself, had all brought of 120,000,000, with wealth estimated at nearly $400,000,000,000, with nothing but disappointment and dejection. The gloomy pictu1·e was an annual income of about $80,000,000,000, we are shaking at the knees brightened somewhat by Perry's victory on Lake Erie and MacDonough's and refusing to .advance, when all humanity looks to us and pleads with triumph on Lake Chumplain. The careers of the Con8titution and other us to lead among the nations for the promotion of peace, !or the limi frigates of her class were worthy of the example and traditions of tation of arms, for the reduction of taxes, and thus for the uplift and John Paul Jones and set a standard for the future activities of the happiness of all humanity. American Navy. These conditions had cast a gloom over Am.·ericans; Our Declaration of Independence sounds a universal note ; our best their pride was humiliated and they felt themselves unworthy sons of traditions and highest ideals have called us to the leader hip of the fathers who bad conducted a seven years' revolution and triumphed world. And yet we have been dillydallying, playing hot and cold, fa t over British power, organization, and discipline at Bunker Hill, Brandy and loose for the last 10 years with the forward movement among men. wine, Trenton, Cowpens, Kings Mountain, and Yorktown. For petty partisan prejudicies and jealousies we have refused to join in But behold the sudden change in feeling! The news spreads over the and promote and strengthen the League of Nations, which is the child Nation that the militia and volunteers from the then West and South of American idealism and borne in the brains and brea ts of the best west had redeemed the name of American soldiers; and who was re American citizens of both classes, but first conceived and promulgated sponsible for this victory 'I Above all else, it was Andrew Jackson. Not by men of the Republican Party and later accepted by Democrats as the an officer in the Regular Army, without any systematic military train national outgrowth of American principles and the application of the ing, he applied the plain principles of common sense, developed during fundamental principles of the Monroe doctrine to all the nations of the the Revolution. At the incredible age of 13 he was a soldier, taking a earth. soldier's risks and enduring a soldier's hardship and suffering small And such hesitation and fear are so foolish and vainJ It is argued pox in a British prison camp. His confidence in himself and in the that America must stay out of the League of Nations so that she may riflemen of Tennessee, Kentucky, Georgia, Alabama, and Missis ippi had not be embroiled in future wars and that her sons may not be called to been built up through years of fighting the Indians and their final fight over issues and interests in which America has no direct concern. expulsion from that part of the country. That being the only objection that has been openly proclaimed, and being When this son of a Scotch-Irish immigrant, with barely 3,000 effective ashamed to confess that the objection is mere political prejudice, the rifles and a few inferior cannon, stopped and drove back over 7,000 party in power for 10 years has battled hopelessly with the inevitable. British regulars led by a brother-in-law of the Duke of Wellington, Though not of the League of Nations, it has participated either directly ~easoned troops that had fought for years Napoleon's armies and driven or indirectly in every major activity of the League of Nations. Though them from the Spanish Peninsula, had in less than two hours killed it refuses to enter bravely and manfully by the front door, it creeps nnd wounded over 2,000 of them, including three major generals, had cautiously and cravenly through the back window. aved New Orleans and through New Orleans all the Southwest from It is utterly foolish to refuse to cooperate with the League of British occupation, the country went wild in a delirium of patriotic Nations for f('ar of becoming involved in future wars. Whether in the exaltation; it was the restoration of self-respect; it was the restablish League of Nations or not, in the event of any major war among the ment of self-confidence ; it was the redemption of the national honor. nations of the earth in the future, the United States will be unavoid What boots it that the treaty of peace had been signed on December ably and inevitably drawn into it. When the war broke out in 1914, 24, and was not known in Washington itself until F('bruary 26? To and we proclaimed our neutrality, who of us thought that in less than the combatants in tbat desperate contest it was no sham battle, but three years · American soldiers would be fighting in the fields of was a struggle of life and death between a new republic repres('nting Flanders and of France? Though the campaign for the reelection of the aspirations of all mankind and the old order of autocracy and heredi a great American prophet and political philosopher in 1916 was pitched tary power which dreamed that both the American Revolution and the upon the slogan, "He kept us out of war," yet in that campaign this French Revolution might be forever erased from the records of history. clear-headed and courageous President frankly told the American people Then, what are the lessons? First and foremost: It is the great that the United States could not keep out of any future wars and and final dependence of America in the inevitable clash of physical forces might not escape being drawn into the war then in progress. between her and her enemies ; then her chief dependence is the civilian Why is it so? Because our interests are so far flung; our commerce soldier-the oldier that fights for a conviction and not for a commls world-wide ; our investments in every nation ; our dominion itself so sion, a soldier that fights for his home and fireside and not for money vast that when a major war is in 'progress, when the fires of inter and glory. national fury are burning red hot, some of the sparks are bound to The next lesson is that any war is the war of the whole people and fall upon American ships, upon American citizens, to destroy American should be supported by the just and proportionate sacrifice and service lives, American property, to imperil American investments, to destroy of all the people then living in the country. When the owner of some American commerce, and perhaps transgress American treaties; then no of the cotton stored in the warehouses of New Orleans protested to self-respecting American would hesitate to do just what we all did in Jackso~ that his property should not be thus devoted to fortifications 1017, and cross the widest OUR FEDERAL_ UNION Resolved, That WRIGHT PATMAN, of Texas, be, and he is hereby, Perhaps the preservation and perpetuity of the American Union of elected a member of the standing committee of the House on World States are due to Andrew Jackson more than to any other single man. War Veterans' Legislation. Perhaps, also, Jackson's lack of knowledge of constitutional history and The re olution was agreed to. his life in a frontier State contributed most largely to his attitude. LEAVE OF ABSENCE If Jackson bad known our co.nstitutional history in detail, be would have fully realized how strong was the sentiment of the separate By unanimous consent, Iea-,e of absence was granted to 1\Ir. sovereignty of the States. But living in a frontier State, constantly HuGHES, indefinitely, on account of illness. menaced by hostile Indians, and realizing the inadequacy of the State SENATE BILLS REFERRED alone to secure the safety of the people, naturally he relied in his Bills and a joint resolution of the Senate of the following thought and feeling upon the greater strength and protection -of the title were taken from the Speaker's table and under the rule Union of States. Therefore, when at a banquet arranged in 1830, referred as follows : l practically all the sentiments and speeches were timed to the tune of S. 1487. An act authorizing the Secretary of the Treasury to State rights and to the feebleness and futility of the Union, when there permit the erection of a building for use as a residence for the was hardly a discordant note in the whole Nation, it was Jackson from Protestant chaplain at the National Leper Home at Carville, the frontier; it was Jackson not trained in the niceties of constitutional La., and for other purposes; to the Committee on Public Build history; it was Jackson who, while fighting Indians and English and ings and Grounds; with his back to the wall in the forests and swamps of Alabama, S. 2093. An act for the relief of the State of Alabama for Mississippi, and Louisiana, felt and said that the men who fomented damage to and destruction of roads and bridges by floods in and filled the Hartford convention ought to be hanged as traitors; it 1929; to the Committee on .Appropriations; · was the same Jackson who rose at this same banquet and proposed a S. 3030. An act to am~nd an act entitled "An act to provide toast out of tune with the entire party-and his toast was, "Our Fed for the further development of agricultural extension work be eral Union; it must be preserved! " tween the agricultural colleges in the several States receiving Under these circumstances such sentiment came like a clarion call; the benefits of the act eutitled '.An act donating public lands to it shocked the thought and arrested the attention of the people like a the several States and Territories which may provide colleges fire bell in the night; it put the people to thinking and to counting for the benefit of agriculture and the mechanic arts,' approved the blessings that flow from the Union. From this day on there was no July 2, 1862, and all acts supplementary thereto, and the United Hartford convention ; from this day on the sentiment for the perpetuity States Department of Agriculture," approved May 22, 1928; to of the Union grew stronger and stronger in every section. It is true the Committee on Agriculture; and that out of this conflict of ideas, out of the clash of sectional feeling S. J. Res.117. Joint resolution for the relief of farmers and and economic interest there finally developed a movement for secession. fruit growers in the storm and flood-stricken areas of Alabama, Yet this sentiment originally inspired by Jackson was so strong that Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Vir secession could not succeed, and from all parts of the country men ginia; to the Committee on Agriculture. rallied to the cause of the Union, which was threatened by sec~ssion of that State which Jackson claimed to be his native State. But for Jack ADJOURNMENT son and his influence and the sentiment be inspired, secession would have Mr. TILSON. 1\Ir. Speaker, I move that the Hou e do now succeeded. We must judge men, parties, and government by results. adjourn. Behold the solld fruit of Jackson's dauntless spirit. The motion was agreed to; accordingly (at 5 o'clock and 5 minutes p. m.) the House adjourned until to-morrow, Tuesday, PERMISSION TO ADDRESS THE HOUSE January 21, 1930, at 12 o'clock noon. · Mr. LEAVITT. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that after the disposition of business on the Speaker's desk on COMMI~l'EE HEARINGS Saturday, the 1st of February, I may have 20 minutes to speak Mr. TILSON submitted the following tentati\e list of com on the twenty-fifth anniversary of the founding of the Forest mittee hearings scheduled for Tuesday, January 21, 1930, as Service. reported to the Floor Leader by clerks of the several com. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Montana asks unani mittees: mous consent that on Saturday, February 1, after disposition of matters on the Speaker's table, he may address the House COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS for 20 minutes on the anniversary of the founding of the ( 10.30 a. m. and 2 p. m.) Fore.st Service. Is there objection? Navy Department appropriation bill. There was no objection. Independent offices appropriation bill. Mr. LAGUARDIA. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent Deficiency appropriation bill. that to-morrow, after the distinguished gentleman from Michi COMMITTEE ON THE DISTRIOT OF COLUMBIA, SUBCOMMITTEE ON . gan addresses the House, I may address the Hou e for eight PUBLIC UTILITIES minutes. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from New York asks unani (10.30 a. m.) mous consent that at the conclusion of the addre s of the gentle To authorize the merger of street-railway corporations operat. man from Michigan he may address the .House for eight min ing in the Distr-ict of Columbia (H. J. Res. 159). utes. Is there objection? COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN .AFFAIRS There was no objection. (10.30 a. m.) RESIGNATION FROM COMMITTEES The SPEAKER. The Chair lays before the House the fol For the grading and clas ification of clerks in the Fo'reign lowing communication : Service of the United States of America, and providing com pensation therefor (H. R. 159). CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES, HOUSE OF REP.RESENTATiiES, COMMITTEE ON IMMIGRATION AND NATURALIZATION Washi-ngton, D. 0., January 20, 1930. (10.30 a. m.) Bon. NICHOLAS LO~GWORTH, Granting preference within the quota to certain aliens trained Speaker of the House o( Revresentative8. and skilled in a particular art, Craft, technique, business, or DEAR MR. SPEAKER : I do hereby resign as a member of the following science (H. R. 3399 and H. R. 7258). committees of the House: Indian Aliairs, Labor, Claims, and World War Veterans. COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC LANDS Respectfully yours, (10.30 a. m.) JOSEPH A. GAVAGAN. To facilitate the administration of the national parks by the The SPEAKER. Without objection, accepted. United States -Department of the Interior (H. R. 8163). ELECTION TO COMMITI'EES COMMITTEE ON WORLD WAR VETER~S' LEGISLATION Mr. GARNER. Mr. Speaker, I offer a resolution. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Texas offers a resolu _(10 a. m.) tion, which the Clerk will report. To amend the World War veterans' act, 1924 (H. R. 7825). The Clerk read as follows : COMMITTEE ON RIVERS AND HARBORS House Resolution 129 Resolved., That JosEPH A. GAVAGAN, of New York, be, and he is (10.30 a. m.) hereby, elected a member of the standing committee of the House. on To consider engineering projects affecting Texas City Harbor, Rivers and Harbors. Tex., and Far R-iver, N. C. 2006. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE JANUARY 20 EXECUTIVE COMMUNICATIONS, ETC. Mrs. LANGLEY: Committee on Claims. H. R. 666. A bill Under clause 2 of Rule XXIV, executive communications were authorizing the Secretary of the 'l'reasury to pay to Eva Brod taken from the Speaker's table and referred as follows : eyick for the hire of an automobile by agents of Indian 274. A letter from the Secretary of War, transmitting report Service; with amendment (Rept. No. 282). Referred to the from the Chief of Engineers on Wiscon~in Jtiver, Wis., covering Committee of the Whole House. navigation, flood control, power development, and irrigation (H. Mr. ROWBOTTOM : Committee on Claims. H. R. 1803. A Doc. No. 259) ; to the Committee on Rivers and Harbors and bill for the relief of the Yosemite Lumber Co. ; without amend ordered to be printed, with illustrations. ment (Rept. No. 283). Referred to the Committee of the Whole 275. A leM:er from the Secretary of War, transmitting report House. from the Chief of Engineers on preliminary examination and Mr. IRWIN : Committee on Claims. H. R. 2331. A bill for survey of Little Machipongo River, Northampton County, Va. the relief of Leonard T. Newton; without amendment (Rept. (H. Doc. No. 260) ;' to the Committee on Rivers and Harbors No. 284). Referred to the Committee of the Whole House. and ordered to be printed, with illustrations. 276. A communication from the President of the United States, transmitting supplemental estimate of appropriation for PUBLIC BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS the Federal Radio Commission for the fi cal year ending June Under clause 3 of Rule XXII, public bills and resolutions 30, 1931, amounting to $206,640 (H. Doc. No. 261); to the Com were introduced and severally referred as follows: mittee on Appropriations and ordered to be printed. By Mr. BRITTEN: A bill (H. R. 8866) to authori.ze the Sec 277. A letter from the Acting Secretary of Commerce, trans retary of the Navy to proceed with certain public works at the mitting report showing the names of officers and employees of United States naval hospital, Washington, D. 0.; to the Com the Department of Commerce who traveled at Government ex mittee on Naval Affairs. pense during the fiscal year ending June 30, 1929, amounting to By Mr. CROSSER: A bill (H. R. 8867) to provide for the $45,799.27; to the Committee on the Merchant Marine and construction of vessels for the Coast Guard for rescue and Fisheries. assistance work on Lake Superior and Lake Erie; to the Com 278. A letter from the Acting Secretary of the Navy, trans mittee on Interstate and Foreigu Commerce. mitting report of the accumulation of papers which are not By Mr. DRANE: A bill (H. R. 8868) authorizing and direct~ needed in the transaction of public business and have no per ing that suitable monuments or markers be placed at the sites manent value or historical interest; to the Committee on Dis of all former forts of the Seminole Indian War in the State position of Useless Executive Papers. of Florida, and for other purposes; to the Committee on Military 279. A letter from the Secretary of the Treasury, transmit Affairs. ting draft of a proposed bill to provide for the discontinuance By Mr. M:ONTET: A bill (H. R. 8869) granting the consent of the coinage of the 2.50 gold piece ; to the Committee on of Congres to the Morgan's Louisiana & Texas Railroad & Coinage, Weights, and Measures. Steamship Co., a corporation, its successors and assigns, to con struct, maintain, and operate a railroad bridge across the REPORTS OF COMMITTEES ON PUBLIC BILLS AND Intracoastal Canal; to the Committee on Interstate and Foreign RESOLUTIONS Commerce. Under clause 2 of Rule XIII, By Mr. KETCHAM: A bill (H. R. 8870) to amend an act Mr. GRAHAM: Committee on the Judiciary. H. R. 7822. A entitled "An act to provide for the further development of bill amending section 2 and repealing section 3 of the act ap agricultural extension work between the agricultural colleges in proved February 24, 1925 ( 43 Stat. 964; ch. 301), entitled "An the several States receiving the benefits of the act entitled 'An act to authorize the appointment of commissioners by the Court act donating public lands to the several States and Territories of Claims and to pre cribe their powers and compensation," and which may provide colleges for the benefit of agriculture and for other purposes; without amendment (Rept. No. 274). Re the mechanic arts,' approved July 2, 1862, and all acts supple ferred to the Committee, of the Whole House on the state of mentary thereto, and the United States Department of Agricul the Union. ture," .approved May 22, 1928 (U. S. 0., Supp. III, title 7, sees. Mr. WASON: Joint Committee on the Disposition of Useless 343a, 343b); to the Committee on Agriculture. Executive Papers. A report on the disposition of useless papers By Mr. CURRY: A bill (H. R. 8871) authorizing replacement in the Veterans' Bureau (Rept. No. 285). (Ordered to be of the causeway over Mare Island Strait, Calif.; to the Com printed.) mittee on Naval Affairs. By Mr. ESTERLY: A bill (H. R. 8872) to pr(}vide for terms REPORTS .OF COMMITTEES ON PRIVATE BILLS At~ of the United States District Court for the Eastern District of RESOLUTIONS Pennsylvania, to be held at Allentown, Pa.; to the Committee Under clause 2 of Rule XIII, on the J ud.iciary. Mr. BURDICK: Committee on Naval Affairs. H. R. 1122. By Mr. ASWELL: A bill (H. R. 8873) to provide for the A bill for the relief of Raymond Nelson Hickman; with amend commemoration of the historic events which occurred at Fort ment · (Rept. No. 275). Referred to the Committee of the Jesup, La.; to the Committee on Military Affairs. Whole House. By Mr. MoLEOD: A bill (H. R. 8874) authorizt.ng the Secre Mr. VINSON of Georgia: Committee on Naval Affairs. H. R. tary of the Treasury to transfer a portion of the United States 5151. A bill for the relief of T. G. Roberts; without amend Marine Hospital Reservation, Detroit, Mich., to the Department ment (Rept. No. 276). Referred to the Committee of the Whole of Commerce and the remainder of the reservation with im House. provements thereon to the Department of Labor; to the Com Mr. SINCLAIR: Committee on War Claims. H. R. 3680. A mittee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce. bill for the relief of Joliet National Bank, Commercial Trust By Mr. PORTER: A bill (H. R. 8875) to provide for the & Savings Bank, and H. William, John J., Edward F., and renewal of passports ; to the Committee on Foreign Affair . Ellen C. Sharpe; with amendment (Rept. No. 277). Referred By Mr. CRAIL: .A bill (H. R. 8876) to amend the act of to the Committee of the Whole House. March 3, 1891 ( ch. 548, sec. 1, 26 Stat. p. 1082) ; to the Com Mr. HOOPER: Committee on War Claims. H. R. 6083. A mittee on Pensions. bill for the relief of Goldberg & Levkoff ; without amendment By Mr. McFADDEN: A bill (H. R. 8877) to amend section 9 (Rept. No. 278). Referred to the Committee of the Whole of the Federal reserve act, as amended; to the Committee on House. Banking and Currency. Mr. HOOPER: Committee on War Claims. H. R. 6084. A Also, a bill (H. R. 8878) to amend sections 6 and 9 of the bill to ratify the action of a local board of sales control in Federal reserve act, and for other purposes ; to the Committee respect of contracts between the United States and Goldberg on Banking and Currency. & Levkoff; without amendment (Rept. No. 279). Referred to By Mr. COOPER of Tennessee: A bill (H. R. 8879) to amend the Committee of the Whole House. the act entitled "An act for the control ot floods on the Missis Mr. HOOPER: Committee on War Claims. H. R. 8699. A sippi River and its tributaries, and for other purposes," ap bill for the relief of George S. Conway ; without amendment proved .May 15, 1928; to the Committee on Flood Control. (Rept. No. 280). Referred to the Committee of the Whole By Mr. LANKFORD of Georgia: A bill (H. R. 8880) to au House. thorize the creation of organized rural communities to demon Mr. ROWBOTTOM: Committee on Claims. H. R. 515. A strate methods of reclamation and benefits of planned rural bill to extend the benefits of the employees' compensation act development; to the Committee on Irrigation and Reclamation. of September 7, 1916, to Jackson D. Wissman, a former em By Mr. HAWLEY: A bill (H. R. 8881) to carry out the rec ployee of the Government Dairy Farm, Beltsville, Md.; without ommendation of the President in connection with tbe late-claims amendment (Rept. No. 281). Referred to the Committee of the agreement entered into pursuant to the settlement of war Whole House. claims act of 1928; to the Committee on Ways and Means. 1930 CONGRESSIONAL R.ECORD-HOUSE 2007 By ::Urs. NORTO:N: Joint resolution (H. J. Res. 219) propos tween Isle au Haut and Kimballs Island, Me. ; to the Committee ing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States pro on Rivers and Harbors. viding for a referendum on the eighteenth amendment thereof ; By Mr. WOLVERTON of West Virginia: A bill (H. R. 8911) to the Committee on the Judiciary. granting a pension to Ranson Clod Fox; to the Committee on By l\Ir. WAINWRIGHT: Joint resolution (H. J. Res. 220) to Invalid Pensions. promote peace and to equalize the burdens and to minimize the profits of war ; to the Committee on Rules. PETITIONS, ETC. By 1\lr. DALLINGER: Joint resolution (H. J. Res. 221) pro Under clause 1 of Rule XXII. petitions and papers were laid posing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States; on the Clerk's desk and referred as follows: to the Committee on the Judiciary. 3265. By Mr. BOLTON: Petition by certain citizens of Cleve By Mr. McFADDEN: Resolution (H. Res. 128) authorizing land, Ohio, and surrounding communities, urging favorable the Committee on Banking and Currency to sit during the ses action on Senate bill 476 and House bill 2562, providing in sions and recesses of the House, and for other purposes ; to the creased rates of pension for Spanish War pensioners; to the Committee on Rules. Committee on Pensions. 3266. By Mr. BOYLAN: Petition of uncompensated disabled PRIVATE BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS American veteran of the World War, favoring the Rankin bill Und·er clause 1 of Rule XXII, private bills and resolutions (H. R. 7825); to the Committee on World War Veterans' Legis were iub.'oduced and severally referred as follows: latioo. - By Mr. AYRES: A bill (H. R. 8882) granting an increase of 3267. By Mr. BRUNNER: Petition of the Arverne Division of pension to Elizabeth B. Rose ; to the Committee on Invalid Ivriah, to the United States Congress and the President of the Pen ions. United States, opposing any change in the calendar which in any By 1\Ir. BRUNNER: A bill (H. R. 8883) granting a pension manner endangers the fixity of the Sabbath, and opposing any to Emma Lowry; to the Committee on Pensions. legislation which would include a blank day or any other device By Mr. BURDICK: A bill (H. R. 8884) granting a pension to by which the existing and immemorially fixed periodicity of the Hattie Grandy; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Sabbath would be destroyed, etc. ; to the Committee on Foreign By Mr. CLAGUE: A bill (H. R. 88 5) granting a pension Affairs. to Newton P. Hazelwood; to the Committee on Pensions. 3268. By Mr. CANFIELD: Petition of Ernest J. Grossman and By Mr. COLE: A bill (H. R. 8886) granting a pension to Mil 64 other citizens of Jefferson County, Ind., asking that Senate ton S. Evans ; to the Committee on Pensions. bill 476 and House bill 2562 receive early consideration; to the By Mr. COOPER of Wisconsin: A bill (H. R. 8887) granting Committee on Pensions. an increase of pension to Georgiana Ballard ; to the Committee 3269. By Mr. COCHRAN of Pennsylvania: Petition of resi on Invalid Pensions. dents of Sheakleyville and Hadley, in the twenty-eighth con By Mr. CRADDOCK: A bill (H. R. 8888) granting a pension gressional district of Pennsylvania, urging the enactment of to Millie Richardson; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. House bill 2562 and Senate bill 476, providing increased pension Also, a bill (H. R. 8889) granting a pension to Susan M. Mul. for veterans of the Spanish-American War period; to the Com len ; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. mittee on Pensions. By Mr. CROWTHER: A bill (H. R. 8890) granting an in 3270. Also, petition of residents of Rouseville, Pa., and vicin crease of pension to Anna E. Sheldon·; to the Committee on In ity, urging the enactment of Senate bill 476 and House bill 2562, valid Pensions. providing for increased rates of pension for veterans of the Also, a bill (H. R. 8891) granting an increase of pension to Spanish War period; to the Committee on Pensions. Abigal Goodbread ; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. 3271. By Mr. CONNERY: Petition of citizens of Lynn, 1\fass., By Mr. GIBSON: A bill (H. R. 8892) granting an increase of to increase pensions for Spanish War veterans; to the Committee pension to Margaret Boody ; to the Committee on Invalid Pen on Pensions. sions. 3272. By Mr. CRISP: Petition of R. L. Green and other citi By Mr. GREENWOOD: A bill (H. R. 8893) granting a pen zens of Macon, Ga., favoring the passa~e of House bill 2562 and sion to William W. Wimer; to the Committee on Invalid Pen Senate bill 467, granting an increase of pension to Spanish sions. American W a.r veterans ; to the Committee on Pensions. By 1\Ir. HALL of Indiana: A bill (H. R. 8894) granting a pen 3273. By Mr. DRANE : Petition of citizens of Tampa, Fla., sion to Lulu M. Gray; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. in behalf of House bill 2562 and Senate bill 476; to the Com By Mr. HOPE: A bill (H. R. 8895) granting a pension to mittee on Pensions. Elizabeth D. Burton ; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. 3274. By l\1r. EATON of Colorado: Petition signed by 21 By 1\Ir. HOPKINS: A bill (H. R. 8896) granting a pension to voters of Denver, Colo., petitioning for the passage of House bill John B. Founteleroy; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. 2562 ; to the Committee on Pensions. By 1\Ir. JOHNSTON of Missouri: A bill .(H. R. 8897) for the 3275. By Mr. ENGLEBRIGHT: Petition of G. W. Connor and relief of George R. Miller; to the Committee on Military Affairs. other citizens of Ono, Calif., urging more adequate relief for the By Mr. LEA of California: A bill (H. R. 8898) for the relief veterans of the Civil War; to the Committee on Invalid Pen of Viola Wright; to the Committee on Claims. sions. Also, a bill (H. R. 8899) for the relief of Grayson E. Pedigo; 3276. Also, petition of F. A. Johnston and other citizens of to the Committee on Military Affairs. Yreka, Calif., urging more adequate relief for the veterans of By Mr. LUDLOW: A bill (H. R. 8900) granting a pension the Civil War; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. to George M. Harter; to the Committee on Pensions. 3277. By Mr. ESLICK: Petition of citizens of Summertown, Also, a bill (H. R. 8901) granting an increase of pension to Tenn., asking relief for Spanish-American War veterans; to the Mary J. Perry; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Committee on Pensions. By Mr. McREYNOLDS: A bill (H. R. 8902) for the relief of 3278. By :Mr. EVANS of Montana : Petition of Egbert A. I W. A. Woody ; to the Committee on Claims. Wigton and other citizens of Sheridan, Mont., urging the pas \ By Mr. MOUSER: A bill (H. R. 8903) granting an increase sage of Hou e bill 2562, for an increase in the pension of of pension to Ellen M. Munsell; to the Committee on Invalid Spanish-American War veterans; to the Committee on Pensions. Pensions. 3279. By Mr. FRENCH: Petition of 69 citizens of Canyon Bv Mr. NOLAN: A bill (H. R. 8904) for the relief of Edwin County, Idaho, urging enactment of Senate bill 476 and House Lockwood MacLean ; to the Committee on Military A.ffairs. bill 2562, providing for increased rates of pension to the men By Mr. QUAYLE: A bill (H. R. 8905) for the relief of Hazel who served in the armed forces of the United States during the L. Fauber, administratrix of William Harrison Fauber, de Spanish War period; to the Committee on Pensions. ceased; to the Committee on the Judiciary. 3280. Also, petition of 209 citizens of Bonner County, Idaho, By Mr. SEARS: A bill (H. R. 8906) granting a pension to indorsing Senate bill 476 and House bill 2562, providing for .Anna Johnson ; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. increased rates of pen ion to the men who served in the armed By Mr. STOBBS: A bill (H. R. 8907) granting an increase forces of the United States during the Spanish War period; to of pension to Nellie J. Shaw; to the Committee on Invalid the Committee on Pensions. Pensions. 3281. Also, petition of 91 citizens .of Boise, Idaho, urging By Mr. UNDERWOOD: A bill (H. R. 8908) granting a pen enactment of Senate bill 476 and House bill 2562, providing for sion to John Spurgeon; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. increased rates of pension to the men who served in the armed Bv Mr. WIDTE: A bill (H. R. 8909) to provide for examina forces of the United States during the Spanish War period; to tion~ and survey of Newagen Harbor; to the Committee on the Committee on Pensions. Rivers and Harbors. 3282. Also, petition of 15 citizens of Caldwell, Ohio, urging Also, a bill (H. R. 8910) to provide for examination- and sur enactment of Senate bill 476 and House bill 2562, providing fo:r -rey for deepening and improvement of the thoroughfare be- increased rates of pension to the men who served in the armed 2008 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE JANUARY 20 forces of the United States during the Spanish War period; to bill 2562, kno"'ll as the Spanish War increase in pension bill ; to the Committee on .Pensions. the Committee on Pen ions. 3283. By Mr. FULLER: Petition of citizens of Carroll County, 3304. By Mr. MURPHY : Petition of Pearl Nary and 20 other Beaver Township, Ark., urging the passage of House bill 2562, persons supporting any pension bill that will give increased pen providing for increased rates of pension to the men who served sions to Civil War veterans and widows of veterans; to the in the armed forces of the United States during the Spanish Committee on Invalid Pensions. War period; to the Committee on Pensions. . 3305. By Mr. NEWHALL : Petition of undry citizens of New 32 4. By Mr. HOCH : Petition of sundry citizens of Emporia, port and Dayton, Ky., urging the speedy consideration and Kans., urging consideration and passage of House bill 2562, in enactment of Senate bill 476 and House bill2562, which provide crea ing the rates of pension to Spanish-American veterans; to for increa ed rates of pension to the men who served in the the Committee on Pensions. armed force of the United States during the Spanish War 3285. By Mr. HOPKINS: Petition submitted by L. W. Clark, period ; to the Committee on Pensions. general delivery, St. Joseph, Mo., signed by many citizens of St. 3306. Also, petition of Arthur C. Velkly and sundry citizens Joseph urging a more equitable pension rating for our Spanish ~f Camvbell County, Ky., urging the speedy consideration and War v~terans; to the Committee on Pensions. pas age of Senate bill 476 and Hou e bill 2562, providing for 3286. By Mr. HUDDLESTON: Petition of numerous residents increased rates of pension to tbe men who served in the armed of Jefferson County, Ala., in behalf of more liberal relief for forces of the United States during the Spanish War peliod; to disabled Spanish War veterans; to the Committee on Pensions. the Committee on Pensions. 3287. By Mr. HULL of Wisconsin: Resolution of Chamber of 3307. By l\Ir. o·coN~TELL of New York: Petition of the Commerce of the State of Wisconsin, favoring House bill 5410; Uncompensated Disabled Americans Veterans of the World Wa.r to the Committee on Agriculture. of National Military Home, Dayton, Ohio, favoring the passage 3288. Also, petition of citizens of Jackson County, Wis., favor of the Rankin bill (H R. 7825) ; to the Committee on World ing legislation increasing pensions of veterans and widows of War Veterans' Legislation. veterans of the Civil War; to the Committee on Invalid Pen 3308. By Mr. PALMER: Petition from J. C. Hardman, depart sions. ment commander, United Spanish War Veterans, Springfield, 32 9. Also, petition of citizens of Bangor, Wis., favoring Mo., and numerous citizens of Springfield, urging the pa sage of legislation increasing pensions of vet~rans and wi~ows of. vet legislation granting more favorable pensions to Spanish War eran of the Civil War; to the Committee on Invalid Pens1ons. veterans and widows of veterans ; to the Committee on Pensions. 3200. Also, petition of citizens of Mauston, Wis., favoring 3309. Also, petition from Ray E. Pike, 706 Washington Street, increa ~ e in pensions of Spanish-American War veterans; to the Springfield, Mo., and numerous citizens of Springfield, Mo., Committee on Pensions. urging the passage of legislation granting more favorable pen 3291. Also, resolution of common council of the city of Neills sions to Spanish War veterans and widows of veterans; to the ville, Wis., favoring legislation increasing pensions of veterans Committee on Pensions. of the Spanish-American War; to the Committee on Pensions. 3310. By MI·. PATMAN: Petition of L. McMichael and 54 3292. By l\fr. IRWIN: Petition of Joseph P. Keyenberg, 1500 other citizens of Morris County, Tex., m-ging favorable action North Twenty-third Street, East St. Louis, ill., and other citi on Senate bill 476 and House bill 2562, providing for increased zens of East St. Louis, urging the enactment of Senate bill 476 rates of pension to the veterans of the Spanish War period; to and Hou e bill 2562 of the Seventy-first Congress; to the Com the Committee on Pensions. mittee on Pensions. 3311. By Mr. HARCOuRT J. PRA;rT: Petition of Valentine 3293. Also, petition of A. L. Jones et al., of Ashley, Ill., urging Grocha, Henry E. Steuerwald, Effi~ W. Hopkins, Blanche G. the enactment of enate bill 476 and House bill 2562 of the Lummerfield, Margaret S. Keogh, Blanche S. Hinman, Josephine Seventy-first Congress; to the Committee on Pensions. Nadler, and 35 other residents of Canaan, Chatham, and West 3294. By Mr. JOHNSTON of Missouri: Petition of sundry Lebanon, Columbia County, N. Y., urging passage of legislation citizens of Mansfield, Wright County, Mo., praying for the to increase the pensions of Spanish War Yeterans; to the Com pa sage of legislation granting increased pensions to Spanish mittee on Pensions. War yeterans; to the Committee on Pen ions. 3312. By Mr. HENRY T. RAINEY: Petition signed by S. R 3295. By Mr. LANKFORD of Georgia : Petition of Ernest C. Roberts, Jack omille, Ill., and 38 other citizens of Jacksonville, Griner, president Georgia State Federation of Post Office Clerks, Ill., asking for the consideration and passage of Senate bill 476 and others, in support of the La Follette-Kendall 44-hour per and House bill 2562, increasing rates of pension to the men who week bill; to the Committee on the Post Office and Post Roads. served in the armed forces of the United States during the 3296. Also, petition of Bon. J. R. McNeal, mayor of Pearson, Spanish War period; to the Connnittee on Pensions. Ga., and 30 citizens, in behalf of the retention of W. K. Hender 3313. Al o, petition signed by Bert Rebman, Beardstown, Ill., son a broadcaster at station KWKH at Shreveport, La. ; to the and 100 other citizens of Beardstown, Ill., to keep radio station Committee on the Merchant Marine and Fi heries. KWKH on the air ; to the Committee on Interstate and Fdreign 3297. By Mr. LUDLOW: Petition from citizens of Indianapo Commerce. li , Ind., for legi lation to provide increased rates of pension to 3314. By Mr. REID of Illinois: Petition of Fred L. Downs the veterans of the Spanish-American War; to the Committee and 97 other residents of Will County, Ill., urging the passage on Pensions. of House bill 2562, granting an increase in pensions to veterans 3298. By Mr. McDUFFIE: Petition of citizens of Alabama, of the Spanish-American War and widows of veterans; to the urging the passage of House bill 2562, granting an increase of Committee on Pensions. pension to Spanish-American War veterans; to the Committee 3315. By Mr. ROMJUE : Petition of W. E. F. Herrin, C. C. on Pensions. Campbell, et al, of Hannibal, Mo., asking for establishment of 3299. By Mr. MANLOVE: Petition of W. H. Goodnight, E. L. Widener, Lola Henderson, J. S. Boyd, Bertha M. Mullins, H. L. national department of public education; to the Committee on Hardaway, Mrs. B. 0. Woodward, and 103 other citizell8 of Education. Purdy, Mo.. urging the support of Congress in behalf of in 3316. By Mr. SHREVE: Petition from William C. Hegner, creased rates of pensions for Civil War veterans and widows of commander Lieut. Jas. H. Hoskinson Camp, No. 31, Erie, Pa., veterans ; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. and other members of this camp, asking for the passage of the 3300. By Mr. MARTIN: Petition of sundry citizens of Bristol Spanish War pension bills (S. 476 and H. R. 2562); to the Com County, Mass., praying for the passage of Senate bill 476 and mittee on Pensions. House bill 2562, providing for increases in pensions for veterans 3317. By Mr. SPEAKS: Petition signed by 20 citizens of of the Spanish War; to the Committee on Pensions. Columbus, Franklin County, Ohio, urging speedy consideration 3301. By Mr. MOREHEAD : Petition signed by citizens of of Senate bill 476 and House bill 2562; to the Committee on Falls City, Nebr., asking for early and favorable consideration Pensions. of Senate bill 476 and House bill 2562, providing for increased 3318. Also, petition signed by 49 citizens of Columbus, Frank rates of pension to the men who served in the armed forces of lin County, Ohio, urging speedy consideration of Senate bill 47{:) the United ·states during the Spanish War period; to the Com and House bill 2562; to the Committee on Pensions. mittee on Pensions. 3319. Also, petition signed by 28 citizens of Groveport, Ohio, 3302. Also, petition of. citizens of Lincoln, Nebr., asking for urging speedy GQnsideration of Senate bill 476 and House bill early and favorable consideration of Senate bill 476 and House 2562 ; to the Committee on Pensions. bill 2562, providing for increased rates of pension to ·the men 3320. Also, petition signed by 54 citizens of Columbus, Frank-: who served in the armed forces of the United States during the lin County, Ohio, urging speedy consideration af Senate bill 476 Spani h-American War; to the Committee on Pensions. and House bill 2562; to the Committee on Pensions. 3303. By Mr. MOUSER: Petition of citizens of North Balti 3321. Also, petition signed by 81 citizens of Columbus, Frank more, Bettsville, McComb, Findley, Van Buran, and Bloomdale, lin County, Ohio, urging speedy consideration of Senate bill 476 Ohio, asking for f~vorable consideration and passage of House and House bill .2562; to the Committee on Pensions. 1930 CONGRESSIONAL RECOR.D- SENATE 2009 3322. By Mr. SPROUL of Kansas: Petition of citizens of PETITIO~S AND MEMORIALS Kan as, urging the passage of House bill 2562, granting an 1\lr. METCALF presented a petition of sundry citizens of increase of pension to Spanish-American War veterans; to the Providence, R. I., praying for the passage of legislation grant Committee on Pensions. ing increased pensions to Spanish War veterans, which was · 3323. By 1\Ir. SUl\:11\IERS of Washington: Petition signed ty referred to the Committee on Pensions. Richard Stephens, W. R. Molsee, J. F. Dearing, and 58 other Mr. GOLDSBOROUGH presented a petition of sundry citizens citizens of Yakima County, Wash., in support of legislation pro of Baltimore, Md., praying for the passage of legislation grant posed to increase the pensions of Spanish War veterans and ing increased pensions to Spanish War veterans, which was widows of veterans ; to the Committee on Pensions. referred to the Committee on Pensions. 3324. Also, petition signed by W. A. Russell, William Dower, lie also presented a resolution adopted by the Public Service 0. K. Fallis. and other citizens of Yakima, Wash., in support Commission of Maryland, opposing the passage of the bill ( S. 6) of legi lation propo ed to increase the pensions of Spanish War providing for the regulation of the transmission of intelligence veterans and widows of veterans ; to the Committee on Pensions. by wire or wireless, which was referred to the Commlttee on 3325. Also, petition signed by George Van Meter, Abram Van Interstate Commerce. Wyck, Frank Allen, and 48 other citizens of Yakima County, Mr. SIMMO:NS pre ented petitions of the faculty and students Wa h., urging the passage of the Robsion education bill; to the of Guilford College and of members of the congregation of the Committee on Education. New Garden Monthly Meeting of Friends, both of Guilford Col 3326. By 1\lr. SWING: Petition of citizens of Corona and lege, N. C., praying that the Senate ratify the proposed protocol Norco, Calif., favoring the passage of House bill 2562 and Sen for the adhesion of the United States to the World Court, which ate bill 476, granting an increase of pension to Spanish War were referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations. veterans; to the Committee on Pensions. Mr. ALLEN presented a resolution adopted by the Board of 3327. Also, petition of Henry J . Tichon and 49 citizens of Commis ioners of Kansas City, Kans., favoring the passage of San Diego, Calif., in support of Senate bill 476 and House bill House Joint Resolution 167, authorizing the President to pro 2562; to the Committee on Pensions. claim October 11 of each year as General Pulaski's memorial ~328. Also, petition of H. A. Taylor and 64 citizens of San day, which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary. DieO'o; Calif., in support of Senate bill 476 and House bill 2562; Mr. DILL presented a petition of sundry citizens of the State to the Committee on Pensions. of Washington, praying for the passage of legislation providing 3329. By Mr. WOLVERTON of New Jersey: Petition of for the registration of aliens, which was referred to the Com citizens of Williamstown, N. J., urging the enactment of Senate mittee on Immigrat!on. bill 476 and Hou e bill 2562, providing for increased rates of 1\fr. CAPPER presented a petition of sundry citizens of Sedan, pension for Spanish-American War veterans; to the Committee Kans., praying for the pa age of legislation granting increased on Pensions. pensions to veterans of the war with Spain, which was referred 3330. Also, petition of citizens of Laurel Springs, N. J., Cam to the Committee on Pensions. den, N. J., and vicinity, urging the enactment of Senate bill Mr. BARKLEY presented petitions of sundry citizens of the 476 and House .bill 2562, providing for increased rates of pen State of Kentucky, praying for the passage of legislation grant sion to Sp~nish-American War veterans; to the Committee on ing increased pensions to Spanish War veterans, which were Pensions. referred to the Committee on Pensions. 3331. By Mr. WOLVERTON of West Virginia: Petition of Mr. KEAN presented petitions of sundry citizens of the State Rowe B. Moyers, a patient at the United States veterans' hos of New Jersey, praying for the passage of legislation granting pital at Outwood, Ky., urging favorable action of Congress on increased pensions to veterans of the Spanish War, which were House bill 7825 ; to the Committee on World War Veterans' referred to the Committee on Pensions. Legislation. Mr. SHORTRIDGE presented petitions of citizens of the 3332. Also, petition of R. C. Sedgwick, chairman Uncom State of California, praying for the passage of legislation grant pensated Disabled American Veterans of the World War, of ing increased pensions to Civil War veterans and the widows of National Military Home, Dayton, Ohio, urging favorable action veterans, which were referred to the Committee on Pensions. of Congress on House bill 7825, which will extend the presump He also presented petitions numerously signed by citizens of tive clause to January 1, 1930, eliminating the service-connec the State of California, praying for the passage of legislation tion section 200 of the World War veterans' act of 1924; to granting increased pensions to Spanish War veterans, which the Committee on World War Veterans' Legislation. were referred to the Committee on Pensions. 3333. By Mr. WOODRUFF: Petition from citizens of Cole man, Midland County, Mich., favoring increased pensions for COMMENT ON PROHIBITION ENFORCEMENT veterans of the Spanish ·war and their dependents; to the Mr. W ATERMA.l~. Mr. President, in relation to the subject Committee on Pensions. matter introduced in the RECORD by the Senator from Maryland [Mr. TYDI~Gs] last Saturday, it being an excerpt from the Washington Herald and bearing upon prohibition, I ask unani SENATE mous consent that an editorial from the Denver Post, of Denver, Colo., in answer to that article in so far as Colorado is con TuESDAY, January ~1, 1930 cerned, may be printed in the RECORD. (Legislative day of Monday, January 6, 1930) The PRESIDENT pro tempore. Without objection, it is so ordered. The Senate met at 11 o'clock a. m., on the expiration of the The editorial is as follows : recess. Mr. FESS. Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum. [From the Denver Post, December 5, 1929] The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The clerk will call the roll. The Washington Herald, in an attempt to discredit prohibition, says The legislatitve clerk called the roll, and the following Senators "1,360 men, women, and children have lost their lives through officials answered to their names : attempting to enforce the dry law with the shotgun " in a little le~ s Allen George King Simmons than 10 years. It declares in its story of " Shotgun Prohibition" that Ashurst Gillett La Follette Smith "those 1,360 deaths have been recorded definitely as those in which Baird Glass McCulloch Smoot Barkley Glenn McKellar • Steck it is known that prohibition enforcement was directly at issue." And Bingham Goff McMa ter Steiwer it states that " in every case one or more sworn officers of the law, or Blaine Goldsborou gh McNary Sullivan their agents, were involved as principals, either as the killers or the Blease Greene Metcalf Swanson Borah Grundy Mo es Thomas, Idaho killed." Bratton Hale Norbeck Thomas, Okla. The Washington Herald's "expos~" is a fair somple of booze propa Brock Harris Nortis •rownsend ganda. Of course, the Herald wouldn't deliberately misrepresent the Brookhart Harrison Nye Trammell Broussard llastings Oddie Vandenberg facts. Evidently, the enemies of prohibition have filled it full of mis Capper Hatfield Overman • Wagner information. If the rest of the Herald's story of " shotgun prohibition " Caraway Hawes Patterson Walcott is as inaccurate as its " record of prohibition killings" in Denver, it Connally Hebert Phipps Walsh, Mass. Copeland Heflin Pine Walsh, Mont. is not worth the paper upon which it is printed. Couzens Howell Ransdell Waterman The Herald lists eight Denver killings in which it says prohibition Dale Johnson Robsion, Ky. Watson enforcement was directly at issue and in which one or more sworn Deneen Jones Schall Wheeler Dill Kean Sheppard officers of the law, or their agents, were involve-d. The incontrovertible Fes Kendrick Shipstead fact is that prohibition enforcement had nothing to do with at least Fletcher Keyes Shortridge four of these eight killings. The PRESIDENT pro tempore. Eighty-five Senators having Here are the victims listed by the Herald as having been killed in an wered to their name , a quorum is present. prohibition enforcement in Denver: Norman Gould, who was beaten