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[note: this is not a fully transcribed interview. Breaks in time are distinguished by “…”] Teal: My name is Laurel Teal. It is Friday, the 23rd of September. I am calling from Hastings, Nebraska. It is approx.. 12:35, and I am calling with Ted Harvey in Highlands Ranch, . Ted, how are you doing today? Harvey: I am wonderful, thank you! Teal: Fantastic. Alright, so have you received the written privacy release form I emailed you a little while back? Harvey: I did, and I haven’t filled it out for you yet, but I will. Teal: No worries. Just get it to me when you can, and then I always do a verbal consent question as well. Ted, do you consent to this interview and to me using the information you give me in it at a later date? Harvey: Yes. Teal: Alright, fantastic. [introducing Harvey to oral history format, asks biographic info] [bio info: born in California, traveled around the world because Vietnam veteran dad in Air Force. Lived in Texas through early teens, moved to Colorado Springs. Graduated Air Academy HS and CU Boulder. Worked in White House under President . Came back to Colorado and got Masters degree in public administration from U of Colorado Denver. Elected to fill a vacancy in the State House from 2002-2006 in State House. Served in State Senate from 2007- 2015. Runs the ‘Stop Hillary’ PAC. Lectures campaign strategy and grassroots strategy. Campaign director for Rand Paul for President campaign in Mountain West. Executive director for Rocky Mountain Gun Owners Super-PAC.] [was chosen as delegate through state convention as an at-large delegate] Harvey: I helped in that effort to get all of our delegates elected, and we had a Ted Cruz slate and we had Ted Cruz T-shirts. RNGO endorsed all the candidates that were running on the slate. It was a very well organized effort and we were able to sweep every delegate at the state convention to go to the national convention. My 18 year old son and I drove from Colorado to Cleveland. We left on Friday and arrived on Sunday. We went through Chicago. I think we left Saturday morning. So, we left Saturday morning, stayed in Chicago with my sister in law, and then Sunday morning got up and drove to Cleveland and go there Sunday afternoon. Teal: So, when you arrived in Cleveland after this arduous drive across the country, what were you hoping to achieve? What was the mindset you were going into the convention with? Harvey: Well, I was not a supporter or a fan of Trump. So, I held out hope that there might be an effort that would be successful to allow delegates to be able to vote their conscience and to be able to open up the convention to allow delegates to vote for Ted Cruz or anybody else, for that matter. That didn’t happen. I was not actively involved in that effort, but I certainly would have voted with Harvey 2

them if given the opportunity. I’m a strong conservative and I think that the RNC has abused the process over the last two election cycles. It was my hope that the Rules Committee and the members on the Rules Committee that we sent from Colorado would be able to take control of some of the convention rules away from the RNC and give power back to the delegates and… there was a very well-coordinated effort across the county to make sure that that happened. In the end, the RNC sided with a majority of the Trump delegates who were on the Rules Committee and they were able to stifle and stop any effort to change the Rules and give power back to the delegates and actually strengthen the roll of the RNC and… which was very disappointing. So, there was a group of Rules Committee members who, following the Rules, went around the convention and got over 7 states to ask for the RNC to allow a roll call vote on the Rule changes that this group had posed. And that is, within the rules you have to have a minimum of 7. This group had I believe 13 or 14 states that had a majority of their delegates bind to request a roll call vote. On Monday, first day of the convention is when we approved the Rules and the RNC did everything they could to prevent a roll call vote on those Rule changes. And if you watch the CNN clip on Youtube, you can see that the convention blew up and the RNC was back on their heels trying to figure out what they’re going to do to prevent a vote from all of these delegates on these rule changes. So, they scurried around and spent over 2 hours trying to convince enough states to pull their delegates off of the petitions to have a roll call vote and in the end the RNC says that they got down to where there were only 6 remaining states to have a majority of their delegates asking for a roll call vote. Like I said before, you have to have 7 states. So, they prevented us from having a roll call vote, but the RNC has never, to this day, told the press or told anybody who the states were that removed their delegation from the list. I don’t believe they were able to get more than 2 or 3 to pull off. Otherwise, they would have told the whole world who they all were. They never did. I don’t believe that they got down to 6. I think they just said they did and avoided having a roll call vote because the last thing Reince Priebus wants is to lose any of the power he has to control the Republican Party at the national convention. Teal: So, can you walk me through what that Monday with the roll call vote was like for you to experience? Harvey: Well, Guy Short was our Rules Committee member that was leading this effort and… he had got our entire delegation, or a majority of the delegation I believe, to sign off on the letter. We knew that they had 13-14 states, and we knew that there was going to be a roll call vote. When the chairman of the committee stands up there and asks for an “aye” vote to adopt the rules and asks for “no” votes to adopt the rules and says “the ayes have it” our entire delegation exploded. We’re yelling at the top of our lungs to ask for a roll call vote, and this went on for quite a while. It wasn’t just Colorado. Obviously it was 13 to 14 other states, and a minority of a lot of the other states that were screaming at the top of their lungs to have a roll call vote. I think it totally took the chairman and the RNC by surprise that there was such a huge outcry. I think there was a great deal of confusion from the Trump people that were there. They were under the impression that we wanted to have a roll call vote on allowing a conscience vote, and honestly Harvey 3

that was not the motivation of the majority of the people that were supporting having the roll call vote. It was an effort on all the other rule changes to take power back from the RNC and give it back to the delegates. The media took control of the controversy and made it out to the country that it was stuck on the vote your conscience vote and confused all of the citizens of the United States that this radical group of delegates our there were trying to undermine the convention. And… we were right in front of the MSN booth, we were right in front of the CNN booth, and so the Colorado delegation was right in front of all of these cameras. And then when the RNC came back out and said that they were not… when they were, that they had gotten down to 6 states and they were not going to allow a vote, the majority of the Colorado delegation and the Iowa delegation got up and walked off with a lot of other people as well. The media was all over Colorado because Kendal Unruh was part of our delegation and they were right there, so all the cameras were following Kendal and followed us all off the floor of the convention. So, that again made huge news that the Colorado delegation led by Kendal Unruh was wanting to leave the convention if we were not able to have a vote on the vote your conscience. And truly for all the delegates at convention, that’s not what it was about, but that’s what the media made the narrative into. So, then that fight was over with. There was nothing we could do. They made their ruling that there was 6 votes and that was the end of that discussion. And the convention went on as it usually does every 4 years where we have a coronation of the nominee and everybody goes their merry way. … [regarding the shift in vibe as the convention progressed] Well there was nothing left to fight about. … from that point on, all of the business of the delegates for the most part was over with. … Harvey: The next most memorable thing was the Ted Cruz speech, where he laid out for the American people what the conservative philosophy is, why the Constitution is relevant and important and why it makes America the last great hope for mankind, and why America is unique in all forms of government mankind has ever seen, and congratulated for winning the nomination then, was bold enough—in my opinion—and had the character and honor enough not to endorse Donald Trump after what Donald Trump did to him, his father, his wife, and to the other candidates. I thought it was incredibly courageous for him to take that step knowing what the political fallout was going to be. … [discussion of long drive home, how his son was at convention, Harvey recaps on the schedule] Harvey: It was great to spend quality time with a lot of the delegates. One of the delegates from Highlands Ranch, where I live—Andy Jones—he is a captain in the Navy and piolet for United Airlines. He brought his 20 year old daughter, and so… he and his daughter and me and my son were able to spend a lot of time together and get to enjoy a lot of the festivities outside of the Harvey 4

convention that the delegates have the opportunity to do. We got to go to the Rock and Roll hall of fame and a lot of the concerts that happened after the convention was over with by about 10 o’clock, 11 o’clock every night. It was cool to go to those every night, and it was fun to take our kids to go do that as well. … Harvey: I teach these campaign schools all over the country, and so it was neat to see delegates all over the country that I have taught in these classes. That was fun. One of the delegates from Louisiana, she brought her whole family. Her husband and her 18 year old daughter. So, we were able to spend some time with them. So, my son had fun spending time with an 18 year old girl from Louisiana and a 20 year old girl from Highlands Ranch. [closing remarks]