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Dean Gilmore TC.Mp4 Cuyahoga County Community College Stokes Initiative Dean Gilmore TC.mp4 This is Dee Perry in the Hannah Library of the Western Reserve Historical Society on Monday, August 14, 2017, and we're about to talk with Dean Grover “Cleve” Gilmore of Case Western Reserve University about the Stokes brothers, for the Stokes Exhibition at Western Reserve Historical Society. Dean Gilmore, thank you for being with us. It's my pleasure, Dee. I want to start with some basic information. Where were you born and raised? TC: 14:46:25 Well, I was born in Boston, Massachusetts. That's where I grew up, I went to high school and college there. Moved to Baltimore to Johns Hopkins University for my graduate work, and arrived in Cleveland in 1975. So about four years after Carl Stokes' tenure ended. And as a matter of fact, in terms of age you were a teenager during his time as mayor, Carl Stokes. Did you have any sense, or did you know about the election going on in Cleveland? TC: 14:47:02 I remember election night in 1967. I was a freshman, and it was an exciting time. Now, I have to say that I did not know much about politics but when you're in college you're surrounded by a lot of people who think they do. The big story of the night, and the next day, and for a number of days is that fact that an African American was elected to be the mayor of a major city in America. TC: 14:47:29 That was hopeful. It was hopeful to hear that news, because it was also a time when we'd witnessed a lot of unrest in the cities. It was a time of fear in many places. So Cleveland was the place who gave us all hope. Was there, to your knowledge and experience, that same unrest going on in Boston as it had hit other parts of the country? Stokes Initiative Dean Gilmore TC.mp4 TC: 14:47:58 There was unrest in Boston. Certainly it didn't reach the same extent as it did in other parts of the country. But as a person who grew up in Boston, we were coming to the realization that Boston was a very segregated city, and that was slowly dawning on many of us. Of course, once our eyes were opened, we realized that indeed there was segregation. So when you arrived in Cleveland in 1975, how did you experience that city? Racially, economically, on a lot of different levels, compared to other cities you'd lived in up to that point? TC: 14:48:45 When my wife and I first visited Cleveland and we were looking for places to live, in the summer of '75, I have to say that we were so impressed by the friendliness of Clevelanders. That was in comparison to our home town in Boston, and also the nice people of Baltimore. We felt a very welcoming spirit here, and it wasn't because I was interacting only with people from the university. We were out in the community, we were looking at houses, looking at apartments, talking with people in stores. TC: 14:49:14 People were friendly. Cleveland was a cleaner city than we were used to. Yeah, so we had a very positive impression when we came here. Now, once we moved here we learned about the division. I mean, east side and west side. We learned that we needed to have a Visa to cross the river, to get to the other side. Which we occasionally did. But it was interesting to see that division that had grown up over time. TC: 14:49:46 We moved into Cleveland Heights, we've always lived in Cleveland Heights since we came here. An attraction at the time was that we could tell as we drove around that it was a more diverse community, and we wanted that, and we have valued that part of Cleveland Heights all these years. Page 2 of 23 Stokes Initiative Dean Gilmore TC.mp4 As I mentioned, it was 1975, four years after Carl Stokes' tenure. Did you get any sense of initiatives that he had started? Were people still talking about him at all? Was there any mention of the Stokes' in the air, or had politics and the City moved beyond? TC: 14:50:35 I can't remember a discussion of Carl Stokes at that time. What I remember were discussions about neighborhoods being integrated. Difficulty that people had had with some realtors, some real estate companies, who were trying to keep African Americans out, or driving whites out. That was a very open discussion among people I met, in Cleveland Heights, and I learned about efforts that they were making in order to combat that. I'm wondering, too, about Louis Stokes. When and under what circumstances, did you first become aware of him? TC: 14:51:26 He was my Congressman. It wasn't long after we moved that he became a very public figure because of his leadership in the Assassination Committee. So I read the accounts of Congressman Stokes and I was very proud that he was our leader in Congress, and that he was leading an effort to try to come to a truth that Americans could accept about what happened to the Kennedy brothers, and also Martin Luther King. As he was your Congressman, was there any community interaction that you had with him? From time to time? TC: 14:52:16 Unfortunately, there was not. I was, at that time, very focused on my own career building, trying to figure out how to be a successful assistant professor at Case Western Reserve University, and had not become engaged in the community. But the first personal communication I have from him was when I received my first federal grant. TC: 14:52:40 Page 3 of 23 Stokes Initiative Dean Gilmore TC.mp4 He wrote me a note, thanking me. I was astonished that Congressman Louis Stokes would write a letter to a member of his district, thanking him for bringing in a grant. Because he saw it as an economic opportunity. I learned afterwards that anything that was bringing money into his district he was very happy about. TC: 14:53:06 But I've spoken to colleagues across the nation and they have never received a letter from their Congressman. So it shows the personal touch that he put into the service to his constituents in his district. He found any way that he could reach out to make a connection with constituents. TC: 14:53:35 It certainly made me feel very good. So here it is, over 35 years later, I can still remember opening up that letter from Congressman Stokes and being excited about it. Let me establish just a base of what happened after Congressman Stokes retired by talking about what it is you do. You're the Dean of Case Western Reserve University's Mandel School of Applied Social Science. Actually, I should have you say that. So your title is? TC: 14:54:17 Well, my full title is Jack, Joseph, and Morton Mandel Dean in Applied Social Sciences at the Jack, Joseph, and Morton Mandel School of Applied Social Sciences at Case Western Reserve University. I have to have a very large business card. Yes. So what fields of study does all of that title include? TC: 14:54:45 Well, the Mandel School was established over 100 years ago at the request of civic leaders in Cleveland who saw a need for social workers. The University established a school, it's actually the oldest graduate professional social work school in North America. And it was established at a time when Cleveland was known for its progressive politics, and its progressive leaders. Page 4 of 23 Stokes Initiative Dean Gilmore TC.mp4 TC: 14:55:18 We saw many organizations start in that era, including the Cleveland Foundation, the roots of United Way, Western Reserve Historical Society. Many important institutions were under way at that time. The school has always been embedded in the community and working with people to help those who are in need. TC: 14:55:45 Help find ways to build a stronger community. To help people find how they can take care of themselves. So it's a school where our primary degree is a social work degree. The Master of Science in Social Administration . We also offer a degree in non-profit management. A Master's in Non-Profit Organizations. And we have a PhD program in social welfare. Lou Stokes' connection to the Mandel School actually goes back decades before he began to teach there in 1999. Yeah. What do you know about his history of involvement with the school? TC: 14:56:33 Well, he became involved with our Washington semester. Which was a program that then Dean Terry Hokenstad established to give our social work students an opportunity to go to Washington and to work for a period of time. In DC itself, and also to interact in Congress, to learn about policymaking and how to be effective advocates. How to become change agents. TC: 14:57:02 Dean Hokenstad approached Congressman Stokes for assistance in setting that up. As they both described to me, they thought it was a perfect idea. So it lasted for a long period of time, and we have a number of people who became involved in DC itself, in legislative matters, policy matters.
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