Third Session- Thirty-Sixth Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Official Report (Hansard) Published under the authority of The Honourable Louise M. Dacquay Speaker Vol. XLVII No. 69-10 a.m., Friday, June 27, 1997 ISSN 0542-5492 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Thirty-Sixth Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ASHTON, Steve Thompson N.D.P. BARRETT, Becky Wellington N.D.P. CERILLI, Marianne Radisson N.D.P. CHOMIAK, Dave Kildonan N.D.P. CUMMINGS, Glen, Hon. Ste. Rose P.C. DACQUAY, Louise, Hon. Seine River P.C. DERKACH, Leonard, Hon. Rob lin-Russell P.C. DEWAR, Gregory Selkirk N.D.P. DOER, Gary Concordia N.D.P. DOWNEY, James, Hon. Arthur-Virden P.C. DRIEDGER, Albert Steinbach P.C. DYCK, Peter Pembina P.C. ENNS, Harry, Hon. Lakeside P.C. ERNST, Jim Charleswood P.C. - EVANS, Clif Interlake N.D.P. EVANS, Leonard S. Brandon East N.D.P. .... FILMON, Gary, Hon. Tuxedo P.C. FINDLAY, Glen, Hon. Spnngfield P.C. FRIESEN, Jean Wolseley N.D.P. GAUDRY, Neil St. Boniface Lib. GILLESHAMMER, Harold, Hon. Minnedosa P.C. HEL WER, Edward Gimli P.C. HICKES, George Point Douglas N.D.P. JENNISSEN, Gerard Flin Flon N.D.P. KOWALSKI, Gary The Maples Ind. LAMOUREUX, Kevin Inkster Lib. LATHLIN, Oscar The Pas N.D.P. LAURENDEAU, Marcel St. Norbert P.C. MACKINTOSH, Gord St. Johns N.D.P. MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood N.D.P. MARTINDALE, Doug Burrows N.D.P. McALPINE, Gerry Sturgeon Creek P.C. McCRAE, James, Hon. Brandon West P.C. McGIFFORD, Diane Osborne N.D.P. - MciNTOSH, Linda, Hon. Assiniboia P.C. MIHYCHUK, MaryAnn St. James N.D.P. MITCHELSON, Bonnie, Hon. River East P.C. NEWMAN, David, Hon. Riel P.C. PENNER, Jack Emerson P.C. PITURA, Frank, Hon. Morris P.C. PRAZNIK, Darren, Hon. Lac du Bonnet P.C. RADCLIFFE, Mike, Hon. River Heights P.C. REID, Daryl Transcona N.D.P. REIMER, Jack, Hon. Niakwa P.C. RENDER, Shirley St. Vital P.C. ROBINSON, Eric Rupertsland N.D.P. ROCAN, Denis Gladstone P.C. SALE, Tim Crescentwood N.D.P. SANTOS, Conrad Broadway N.D.P. STEFANSON, Eric, Hon. Kirkfield Park P.C. STRUTHERS, Stan Dauphin N.D.P. SVEINSON, Ben La Verendrye P.C. TOEWS, Vic, Hon. Rossmere P.C. TWEED, Mervin Turtle Mountain P.C. VODREY, Rosemary, Hon. Fort Garry P.C. WOWCHUK, Rosann Swan River N.D.P. Vacant Portage Ia Prairie 5417 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Friday, June 27, 1997 The House met at 10 a.m. CRTC Presentations PRAYERS Ms. Marianne Cerilli (Radisson): Madam Speaker, I beg to present the petition ofKhalid Mahmoud, K.J. ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS Traynor, Paul Kramer and others praying that the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba request that the PRESENTING PETITIONS Premier (Mr. Filmon) and the minister of telecommunications make presentations before the CRTC Presentations CRTC opposing such hikes in local rates. Mr. Stan Struthers (Dauphin): Madam Speaker, I Mr. Leonard Evans (Brandon East): Madam beg to present the petition of Donna Porter, Alex Speaker, I beg to present the petition of Gail Cork, Holowachuk, Nick Manciniub and others praying that Janet Smith, Mark Burch and others praying that the the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba request that the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba request that the Premier (Mr. Filmon) and the minister of Premier and the minister of telecommunications make telecommunications make presentations before the presentations before the CRTC opposing such hikes in CRTC opposing such hikes in local rates. local rates. Obstetrics Closure-Grace General Hospital READING AND RECEIVING PETITIONS Ms. MaryAnn Mihychuk (St. James): I beg to CRTC Presentations present the petition of Cecile Brown, James Hawkins, Melinda Anderson and others praying that the Madam Speaker: I have reviewed the petition of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba request the Minister honourable member for Dauphin (Mr. Struthers). It of Health (Mr. Praznik) consider stopping the closure complies with the rules and practices of the House. Is of the obstetrics program at Winnipeg's Grace Hospital. it the will ofthe House to have the petition read? Mobile Screening Unit for Mammograms An Honourable Member: Dispense. Mr. Dave Chomiak (Kildonan): Madam Speaker, I Madam Speaker: Dispense. beg to present the petition of Cliffo rd Stevenson, Lynn Bass, Ruby Clarkson and others praying that the THAT the Manitoba Telephone System as a public asset Legislative Assembly of Manitoba may be pleased to served this province well for over 80 years providing request the Minister of Health to consider immediately province-wide service, some of the lowest local rates in establishing a mobile screening unit fo r mammograms North America, thousands of jobs and keeping profits to help women across the province detect breast cancer in Manitoba; and at the earliest possible opportunity. THAT contrary to promises made in 1996 by the Obstetrics Closure-Grace General Hospital provincial government, the majority of shares of the privatized MTS are controlled outside the province of Ms. Diane McGifford (Osborne): Madam Speaker, Manitoba; and I beg to present the petition of Karen Duke, Audrey Duke, Susan Murray and others praying that the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba request the Minister THAT on Ju ne 16, 1997, MTS requested from the ofHealth consider stopping the closure of the obstetrics CRTC a $5 increase per month for 1998, one of the program at Winnipeg's Grace Hospital. highest increases in the country; and 5418 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA June 27, 1997 THAT this follows previous increases ordered by the Your committee heard representation on bills as provincial government in 1995, 1996 and 1997; and follows: THAT these increasesmean that for some communities Bill 48-The Child and Fami(v Services Amendment and in the Parklands will have almost doubled since 1995, Consequential Amendments Act; Loi modifiant Ia Loi with Dauphin alone having an increase of 87 percent sur les services a /'enfant et a Ia famille et when the rate for Yorkton, Saskatchewan, under the modifications correlatives publicly owned Saskatchewan Telephone System is $5 per month less; and Louise Malenfant- Parents Helping Parents Wayne Helgason- Social Planning Council THAT MrS is requesting a rate of returnof 13 percent Alice Wr ight - Private Citizen per year from CRTC and to do this wants to raise local Dave Wa ters- Wi nnipeg Child and Family Services rates fUrther above the rate cap in the 1998 going-in Ma llory Newman-CUPE rates; and Tamsin Collings -Private Citizen - Eileen Britton -The Grand Society THAT, contrary to promises made by the provincial Donna Ekerholm -Private Citizen government, MrS under private ownership is moving Linda Dorge -Private Citizen rapidly to raise local rates in rural and northern Colleen Suche -Law Society of Ma nitoba Manitoba. Dr. Charles Ferguson - Winnipeg Child and Family Services-Abuse Committees WHEREFORE your petitioners humbly pray that the Helen Zuefle- Private Citizen Legislative Assembly of Ma nitoba request that the Linda Shapiro -Private Citizen Premier (Mr . Filmon) and the minister of Garth Smorang - }vfanitoba Bar Association telecommunications make presentations before the Norma Mc Cormick- Private Citizen CRTC opposing such hikes in local rates. Your committee has considered: PRESENTING REPORTS BY STANDING AND SPECIAL COMMITTEES Bil/ 48-The Child and Family Services Amendment and Consequential Amendments Act; Loi modifiant Ia Loi Standing Committee on Law Amendments sur les services a /'enfant et a Ia famille et Eighth Report modifications correlatives Mr. Jack Penner (Chairperson of the Standing and has agreed to report the same, on division, with the Committee on Law Amendments): I beg to present following amendments: the Eighth Report of the Committee on Law Amendments. MOTION: Mr. Clerk (William Remnant): Your Standing That the proposed subsection 8(11), as set out in Committee on Law Amendments presents the fo llowing section 5 of the Bill, be amended by striking out "not as its Eighth Report. less than $200. and". An Honourable Member: Dispense. MOTION: Madam Speaker: Dispense. THAT the proposed subsection 15(3.3), as set out in subsection 6(2) of the Bill, be amended by adding "and Your committee met on Monday, Ju ne 23, 1997, at 7 any such order may be enforced as a judgment of the p.m., Thursday, Ju ne 26, 1997, at 10 a.m. and 3:15 court." after "exceeding $5000." p.m. in Room 255 of he Legislative Building to consider bills referred. Your committee voted to defeat Clause 8(2) of the bill. June 27, 1997 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 5419 MOTION: (b) all parties maybe represented by counsel and shall, subject to clauses (c) and (d), be given full opportunity THAT the following be added after subsection 8(2) of to present evidence and to examine and cross-examine the Bill: witnesses; 8(2.1) The following is added after subsection (c) the court is not bound by the rules of evidence in 18.4(2): relation to the evidence of a child who the agency alleges was abused by the applicant and may receive the child's evidence through hearsay, by way of a Report of conclusion where child not in need of recording, a written statement, or in any other form or protection manner that it considers advisable; and 18.4(2.1) Subject to subsection (3), where an agency concludes, after an investigation under subsection (1), (d) a child who the agency alleges was abused by the that a child is not in need of protection, the agency applicant shall not be compelled to testifY. shall report its conclusion (a) to the parent or guardian of the child; MOTION: (b)where there is no parent or guardian of the child, a THAT the proposed subsection 19(3.7), as set out in person havingfull-time custody or charge of the child; subsection 10(2) of the Bill, be amended by striking out "and provide all parties with written reasons" and (c) to the person, if any, who is identified by the substituting "and record the reasons".