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Hearing—Inquiry Into the Youth Justice and Other Legislation Amendment Bill 2021 LEGAL AFFAIRS AND SAFETY COMMITTEE Members present: Mr PS Russo MP—Chair Ms SL Bolton MP Ms JM Bush MP Mrs LJ Gerber MP Ms KE Richards MP Mr AC Powell MP Members in attendance: Mr AD Harper MP Mr MC Berkman MP Staff present: Ms R Easten—Committee Secretary Ms M Salisbury—Inquiry Secretary PUBLIC HEARING—INQUIRY INTO THE YOUTH JUSTICE AND OTHER LEGISLATION AMENDMENT BILL 2021 TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS THURSDAY, 18 MARCH 2021 Townsville Public Hearing—Inquiry into the Youth Justice and Other Legislation Amendment Bill 2021 THURSDAY, 18 MARCH 2021 ____________ The committee met at 6.00 pm. CHAIR: I declare open the public hearing for the committee’s inquiry into the Youth Justice and Other Legislation Amendment Bill 2021. Before I commence I acknowledge Scott Stewart, Minister for Resources and member for Townsville. I also acknowledge Les Walker, the member for Mundingburra. I respectfully acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land on which we meet this evening and pay our respects to elders past and present. We are very fortunate to live in a country with two of the oldest continuing cultures in Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people whose lands, winds and waters we all share. My name is Peter Russo. I am the member for Toohey and chair of the committee. The other committee members here with me are: Ms Laura Gerber, the member for Currumbin and deputy chair; Ms Sandy Bolton, the member for Noosa; Ms Jonty Bush, the member for Cooper; Mr Andrew Powell, the member for Glass House; and Ms Kim Richards, the member for Redlands, who is substituting for Mr Jason Hunt, the member for Caloundra. The committee has also granted leave for Mr Aaron Harper, the member for Thuringowa, to ask questions as well as Mr Michael Berkman, the member for Maiwar. On 25 February 2021, the Hon. Mark Ryan, Minister for Police and Corrective Services and Minister for Fire and Emergency Services, introduced the Youth Justice and Other Legislation Amendment Bill 2021 to the parliament and referred it to the Legal Affairs and Safety Committee for consideration. The purpose of the hearing is to hear evidence from stakeholders, community members and submitters about their views on the bill. Only the committee and invited witnesses may participate in the proceedings. Witnesses are not required to give evidence under oath, but I remind witnesses that intentionally misleading the committee is a serious offence. You have previously been provided with a guide for witnesses so we will take those as read. These proceedings are similar to parliament and are subject to the Legislative Assembly’s standing rules and orders. In this regard I remind members of the public that under the standing orders the public may be admitted to or excluded from the hearing at the discretion of the committee. Our proceedings are covered by parliamentary privilege, which means that you can give your evidence freely and openly without fear that your evidence could be used against you in legal proceedings. That being said, if you do provide evidence that names an individual or reflects poorly on an individual or organisation, the committee may choose to receive but not publish that evidence or may provide that individual or organisation with an opportunity to respond to your evidence before the committee makes it public, in the interests of fairness. If you have any concerns about sharing your story or speaking publicly about these issues, the committee may consider hearing your evidence privately. If that is the case, we ask that you explain the reasons for this to our committee secretariat staff and we will see what we can do. At this stage it has been decided that if there are members who wish to address the committee in private that will happen at the end of the hearing. Once we begin, I ask that you avoid making any commentary from the floor or making any other interruptions to the hearing. In this respect the proceedings are different to a town hall meeting or open forum because there is order in how we ask you to provide your input. Signs, placards, banners, posters, conspicuous badges or stickers, or clothes such as T-shirts that are printed with slogans associated with a political cause or campaign are not permitted in the hearing. Our Hansard reporter is making a transcript of the hearing for the committee’s record of evidence. To ensure that the transcript is accurate, please, only one person can speak at a time. That will also give our witnesses the respect they deserve, recognising that it is not always easy to speak in public. Media may be permitted and will be subject to my direction at all times. The media rules endorsed by the committee are available from committee staff if required. All those present should note that it is possible you might be filmed or photographed during the proceedings by media and that images may also appear on the parliament’s website or social media pages. No other photography or filming is permitted other than that expressly authorised by me. I ask everyone present to turn mobile phones off or to silent mode. The program has been published on the committee’s web page and there are hard copies available from the committee staff. Townsville - 1 - 18 Mar 2021 Public Hearing—Inquiry into the Youth Justice and Other Legislation Amendment Bill 2021 The hearing will start with invited local stakeholders to hear their views on the bill. We will then open the hearing up to those who have registered to appear as a witness. I ask those who do speak to the committee to keep to the allotted time to ensure others also have the opportunity to speak. If there is time at the end of the hearing, we will invite anyone who did not register prior to the hearing but who wishes to speak to make a short statement to the committee. If you would like to take this opportunity to speak to the committee but have not yet registered or have any other questions, please see one of our committee staff who will help you with your registration. We will now hear from witnesses who expressed an interest in speaking to the committee. I will call the registered persons up in groups for each session and you will be invited to give a short opening statement of no longer than three minutes. Following that, the committee may have some questions. I now welcome the following registered speakers: David Cassells, Brett Geiszler and Jeff Phillips. CASSELLS, Mr David, Private capacity GEISZLER, Mr Brett, Private capacity PHILLIPS, Mr Jeff, Private capacity CHAIR: Good evening. I invite you to make a brief opening statement of about three minutes, after which committee members may have some questions for you. Mr Phillips: My name is Jeff Phillips. I will start with some personal experiences with youth crime. Several years ago my wife was attacked by five Indigenous girls aged from 14 to 17 at 4.30 on a Friday afternoon on Bayswater Road. It was a targeted attack. It was later revealed in court that they saw her park her car and watched her walk over to a medical centre. They went and hid behind a fence in the school and waited for her to return. They then came out and performed their assault. They did not get the keys for the car, which were in my wife’s pocket, but they got her handbag and other things. That was found in the shopping centre. The police got the CCTV footage and were able to identify them within half an hour. They were well known to police. They were repeat offenders. Last Saturday night we were returning home from a function. I was a passenger in a car. We were travelling down Bayswater Road. As we approached Hughes Street and were about to cross the intersection, a blue Holden Cruze travelling at probably 80 to 100 kilometres an hour came straight through the red light. If it were not for the peripheral vision of our driver and quick action, we would have been T-boned and probably four of us would not be here now. That car was identified as a stolen car the following day. Moving onto the bill and the trialling of ankle bracelets, while a positive move, I do not think it goes far enough. I think it is too limited in its approach to targeting 16- and 17-year-olds for certain offences. I think it should be more broadly used for known repeat offenders; offenders who have been arrested, charged or convicted and are on bail; and it should not have any regard to age. I know that breach of bail is a hot topic at the moment. I believe that that is probably the first thing that could take repeat offenders off the streets and make the community safe. A lot of these kids do not respect the law. They do not respect their families. Sometimes they do not have a good family network to back them up anyway. They are out there driving around at high speed on the wrong side of the road, blowing through red lights. It is a regular occurrence. It is only a matter of time before more people are hurt and killed. A couple of weeks ago there was a stolen Amarok that we missed by about a minute. There is dash cam footage of it. It has been widely shown on the news and in social media. At Stockland it went through a red light at speed in the wet—again, probably travelling at about 80 to 100 kilometres an hour on the wrong side of the road.
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