Interview with Tim Russert of ''Meet the Press'' November 9, 1997
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Administration of William J. Clinton, 1997 / Nov. 9 1761 Americans, I see kind, unbelievably gener- Situation in Iraq ous, giving people back in my home State Mr. Russert. The situation in Iraq seems who helped my family and my friends when to grow more and more tense. As we sit here they were in need. It is a different story when tonight and talk, the Deputy Prime Minister you know what you are seeing. has said that if the United States resumes So I say to you tonight, should we change spy flights over Iraq, they will be shot down. the law? You bet. Should we keep fighting If Saddam Hussein was sitting right here in discrimination? Absolutely. Is this Hate this seat, you would look him in the eye and Crimes Conference important? It is terribly say what? important. But we have to broaden the The President. Those flights are United imagination of America. We are redefining, Nations flights, even though they're Amer- in practical terms, the immutable ideals that ican pilots in those planes, and you cannot have guided us from the beginning. Again dictate to the United Nations what we do. I say, we have to make sure that for every They will resume, and if you shoot at them, single person in our country, all Americans you'll be making a big mistake. means all Americans. Mr. Russert. If a plane is shot down by After experiencing the horrors of the Civil the Iraqis, will that be considered an act of War and witnessing the transformation of the war by the United States? previous century, Walt Whitman said that The President. I believe that's how the our greatest strength was that we are an em- Pentagon characterized it. I think the impor- bracing nation. In his words, a ``Union, hold- tant thing is that Saddam Hussein needs to ing all, fusing, absorbing, tolerating all.'' Let know it would be a big mistake. We will not us move forward in the spirit of that one tolerate his efforts to murder our pilots acting America. Let us realize that this is a good on behalf of the United Nations under Unit- obligation that has been imposed upon our ed Nations Security Council resolutions. generation and a grand opportunity once Listen, all that man has to do is to let the again to lift America to a higher level of unity, monitors go back to doing their job. I think once again to redefine and to strengthen and it's important that the American people un- to ensure one America for a new century and derstand what these monitors are doing. Peo- a new generation of our precious children. ple read this word ``UNSCOM'' in the paper, Thank you, and God bless you. and they don't knowÐyou know, it sounds like a bad cold or something. These monitors have been there working since the end of NOTE: The President spoke at 8:52 p.m. in the Independence Ballroom at the Grand Hyatt the Gulf war to look for weapons of mass Hotel. In his remarks, he referred to Elizabeth destruction or materials used to make weap- Birch, executive director, Human Rights Cam- ons of mass destruction. paign; Jesse L. White, Jr., Federal Cochair, Appa- They have found and destroyed more lachian Regional Commission; and recent nomi- weapons capacity, the monitors have, than nees, Fred P. Hochberg to be Deputy Adminis- were destroyed in the entire Gulf war, which trator of the Small Business Administration, John shows you that Saddam Hussein has not Berry to be Assistant Secretary of the Interior, stopped trying to develop this capacity. After and James C. Hormel to be Ambassador to Lux- all, keep in mind, this is a man who used embourg. chemical weapons on the Iranians; he used chemical weapons on his own people. And what they're doing there is terribly impor- Interview With Tim Russert of tant. We do not want him to have chemical ``Meet the Press'' or biological weapons capacity. We believe November 9, 1997 he has the latent capacity to produce more Scud missiles. And we all remember how he Mr. Russert. Mr. President, welcome to aimed the Scuds at Israel during the Gulf ``Meet the Press,'' and thank you for helping war. us celebrate the 50th anniversary. So what they're doing is terribly important. The President. Glad to be here, Tim. And he needs to let them go back and do VerDate 28-OCT-97 07:53 Nov 19, 1997 Jkt 010199 PO 00000 Frm 00007 Fmt 1244 Sfmt 1244 W:\DISC\P46NO4.010 p46no4 1762 Nov. 9 / Administration of William J. Clinton, 1997 their job. None of us are going to be bullied to make these weapons of mass destruction. by him. That's all he's got to do. Mr. Russert. Have you ever met him? Mr. Russert. We will never have normal The President. Never. relations with Iraq as long as Saddam Hus- Mr. Russert. Do you have any intentions sein is there? of meeting him? The President. We will never have normal The President. No. relations with Iraq as long as Iraq is out of Mr. Russert. If, in fact, the Iraqis are able compliance with these basic resolutions of to keep the American inspectors away from the United Nations. Now, it appears that their biological warfare, aren't they succeed- Saddam Hussein has had several years since ing? the Gulf war to put his country in compli- ance, and he has declined to do so. The President. Well, that's a different Mr. Russert. Do you think there will be question. The group that we sent over there, the need for military strike? the U.N. sent over there to talk to Saddam The President. I don't want to rule any- Hussein, is coming back. They're going to thing in or out. I think it'sÐat a moment make their report. Then I expect the United like this it's very important that the President Nations to take very strong and unambiguous maintain all options and signal none. And action to make it perfectly clear that he has that's where I want to be. But I think that to comply. Saddam Hussein needs to understand that Now, in the past, we've been able to work this is a serious business. And this is not just these things out. We've been up to this point the President of the United States; the Amer- before and been able to work them out. If ican people feel this way. And it's not just he doesn't, then the world community will the American people; it's the world commu- have to take some action. nity. Mr. Russert. Will the Russians and the There is a United Nations resolution that French and the Arab nations support the says that he has to permit inspectors to look United States? into what he's doing to make sure he doesn't The President. Well, what I would hope again develop the capacity to make and de- they would do is support the United Nations. ploy weapons of mass destruction. He's one The Russians and the French and the Arab of the few people who's done it and used States have a huge stake in not allowing him it. And we all have an interest in stopping to develop and deploy weapons of mass de- him. struction. What if he has a missile with the Mr. Russert. And he will comply eventu- capacity to reach to Europe? ally? Mr. Russert. Many people are suggesting The President. He will comply eventually what he's really up to is to try to provoke or we'll have to see what happens then. It an attack by the United States, a Tomahawk will not be without consequence if he does missile attack; then he would kick all the in- not comply. spectors out and go right back to accelerating his campaign of building weapons of mass China and Cuba destruction. Mr. Russert. You met last week with the The President. That may be. He may be President of China, a country of 1.5 billion trying to divide the coalition as well, with the people, 7,000 miles away. Why is it that we promise that he'll sell oil at good prices and meet with the President of China and trade make money for other countries. But so far, with China but don't meet with the President I have to tell you, I've been impressed with of Cuba, 90 miles away, a country of 10 mil- the unity of the world community. I think lion people? Other than the size of the eco- that he picked a peculiar way to try to divide nomic market, are there any differences be- the coalition. He seems to be frustrated that tween the two systems? the sanctions haven't been lifted. But all he The President. Oh, yes, I think there are has to do is to allow the inspectors to do their plainly some. For one thing, the Chinese job and quit trying to stockpile the ability have shown a willingness to not only engage VerDate 28-OCT-97 07:53 Nov 19, 1997 Jkt 010199 PO 00000 Frm 00008 Fmt 1244 Sfmt 1244 W:\DISC\P46NO4.010 p46no4 Administration of William J. Clinton, 1997 / Nov. 9 1763 us but to open up and to work with us. Of ing. It can't be a one-way street; there has course, we have differences with both China to be some sense that there's an evolution and Cuba on human rights and on their polit- going on in Cuba, and it can turn into a mod- ical system.