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AMERICAN UNIVERSITY BLACK ARTISTS IN WASHINGTON, D.C. AND THE BLACK LIVES MATTER MOVEMENT Oral History Interview with DR. ANNE BOUIE By JOY PIERCE Remote: Conducted online through Zencastr OCTOBER 20, 2020 AMERICAN UNIVERSITY: BLACK ARTISTS IN WASHINGTON, D.C. AND THE BLACK LIVES MATTER MOVEMENT NARRATOR: Dr. Anne Bouie DATE: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 INTERVIEWER: Joy Pierce PLACE: Remote interview (each of our residences- Washington, D. C. and Stephens City, VA) NARRATOR’S PERSONAL DATA Birthdate: unavailable Spouse: N/A Occupation: Artist, Former teacher SUMMARY OF INTERVIEW Dr. Bouie is a black artist currently living in Washington, D.C. She previously worked as a teacher and spent several years creating educational programing for inner city schools. She discusses her life from childhood, early education, later experiences in college and graduate school. Then, she talks about her experiences as a black educator serving inner city students and her transition into being an artist. Finally, she shares her thoughts on the Black Lives Matter movement and the role of art and spirituality in sustaining social movements. INTERVIEWER'S COMMENTS The interview was conducted remotely through the podcasting program Zencastr and we experienced some technical difficulties which are described in greater detail in the background journal for this interview. COPYRIGHT STATUS The copyright for this interview is retained by the D. C. Public Library and Humanities Truck at American University. INDEX TERMS Washington, D.C., Anne Bouie, Black Lives Matter, Art, Education, Black Artists of D.C., Columbia Heights, Spirituality, University of California Riverside 2 Black Artists in Washington, D. C. and the Black Lives Matter Movement Transcription of Interview with Anne Bouie on October 20, 2020 remotely at our individual residences (in Washington, D.C. and Stephens City, VA) Joy Pierce 00:01 All right, so Hello, my name is Joy Pierce. Today is Tuesday, October 22, at 9:12 am and I'm calling from my home in Stephens City. Could you please introduce yourself, Anne, and spell your name? Anne Bouie 00:16 Sure. Hi, my name is Dr. Anne Bouie, B as in boy, O-U-I-E and I'm chatting with you from Washington, DC. Joy Pierce 00:26 Wonderful. And do I have your permission to record this interview? Anne Bouie 00:30 Yes, you do. Joy Pierce 00:32 Awesome. So can you tell me a little bit about where you were born and when? Anne Bouie 00:38 Sure. I was born in Birmingham, Alabama, and spent a few years there before my family moved to Atlanta. Joy Pierce 00:48 Okay. Can you tell me a little bit about your parents, their names and occupations? Anne Bouie 00:54 Sure. My mother's name was Anna Laurie. And she's the youngest of 10 children born to Willie and Nicey Gaynor in Jackson County, Florida, Marietta Florida. My father was born in Easley, Georgia, another small town in and they met on the train on the way to Atlanta. Joy Pierce 01:25 Wonderful. Um, can you tell me a little bit about your family background? You said all of your family lived in the south. Anne Bouie 01:34 3 My nuclear family? Yes, on both sides of my nuclear family. My mother was the youngest of a farmer. My grandfather was a farmer and his great grandfather was the land was deeded to my great grandfather, great grandfather, yes, who received the land upon being freed from enslavement. And that land is still in the family today. And my mother's father farmed it. And he sent his daughters to school so that they wouldn't have to serve as domestics and he had his sons working the land. My father came from a very small town, and his mother did day work, as they called it. And his father was ill and confined. So but they were both, as I said, they're both origins are of the earth and of rural people. Joy Pierce 02:44 That's amazing. And can you tell me a little bit about your childhood and growing up there? Anne Bouie 02:51 Sure. I'm one of those families that--or one of those people that eventually has to share with you all of my entire life simply to tell you where I'm from. Because we were in Atlanta for a minute. My I believe my mother said my father had a photography gig there or something. But we moved back to Atlanta, and we went to school in Atlanta and lived there. My mother was familiar with Atlanta, she left home from boarding school. As a student at Nursing at Grady college--at Grady Hospital, which was at the time, still may be one of the premier hospitals for training black medical professionals. And so she was there and getting ready to graduate. Marriage to my father interrupted that. He went to the Korean he served in the Korean War and came back and was able to enroll at Morris Brown College and served as a tax accountant with H&R Block for 35 years. My childhood was spent in Atlanta, my brother and I were city kids. And the first time I saw the earth and saw the country really was when we visited my grandmother, and my cousins over the summer. Being a city kid, I was amazed at the land and saw acres and acres and acres and acres of crops and a big old barn and of course when you're a little child, it looks huge. It looks absolutely huge. But it was there that I got introduced to the earth and to the land and I really resonated with it and loved it all there. Even though Atlanta is a green and was at the time a really Green City--trees and lots and parks and little streams going through the city, at least in the area where we lived. But the country is in altogether different thing. So I love the time in the country. Although we were there in the summertime in early harvest time. So it was quite a bit of work going on, we moved around a great deal. When my mother remarried, we became an Air Force, brat family, an Air Force family, which meant a great deal of moving around. So I actually have been to school in Florida, Georgia, 4 Kansas, and Pennsylvania by the time I was in fourth grade, so that we moved around a great deal. And some of that was fun, and some of it was, as would be expected. Joy Pierce 05:44 That's so interesting. So what was it like, constantly moving like that for you? Anne Bouie 05:51 Well, as I've thought about it, over the years, the upsides to it, as I'm sure most Air Force brats would say, army brat, whomever would say that you get to see a lot of different places and a lot of different people. And for me, that meant seeing lots of difference. And at the same time, there's similar things go on at every place. And they're similar people at every place and the thing that it taught me was the ability to go into situations and discern who was friend who was foe, get a sense of the lay of the land, get a sense of what being the new kid on the block meant over and over again. So you got pretty good at being the new kid on the block. The positive thing about that is obviously, your discernment skills are very finely honed, the thing that can become a handicap is you really don't have the opportunity to learn how to develop relationships outside of your family with people over time. Because you know, you're not going to be there very long. And so making connections to people, for example, I can remember friends, even to this day, in every place I lived, that I lost contact with as we moved around as children. And I can also remember, people who did the new kid on the block thing with me everywhere we lived. The positive--you get if you want to, you get kind of a cosmopolitan view of having simply been around a lot of different places, that puts some kind of sheen on people or some kind of mark on people whether they want it to or not. And if you're conscious of it, and intentional about it as an adult reflecting on it, then it really does help understand why a person can flit in and out of so many different arenas and maintain some kind of sense of self. Joy Pierce 08:09 Absolutely. That's so interesting to me, sort of the adaptability that comes with that sort of constant change. Anne Bouie 08:18 Yeah, some people would snidely call it becoming a chameleon and others would call it adaptability and flexibility, depending on how--the extent I guess to which people actually lose themselves in the process of becoming whoever they need to become, at a certain point, versus being adaptable to different situations. 5 Joy Pierce 08:42 Mm hmm. Anne Bouie 08:43 Mm hmm. Joy Pierce 08:44 Can you tell me a little bit about school as a child, if you had any favorite teachers or subjects growing up? Anne Bouie 08:51 As a child, school was obviously fun, in some ways, and obviously challenging in other ways.