September 18, 1997 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE S9691 In Socorro, NM, Don Tripp of Tripp’s Alamos National Laboratories deserve may be old, but they are lethal. Ten Incorporated has expanded his oper- credit for all their work at the Summit American police officers have recently ations by establishing a virtual call and the accompanying Business Appli- been killed with these dangerous weap- center for his sales associates. By cap- cations Fair. Finally, thanks to the ons. And in just two years the weapons italizing on advances in telecommuni- Internet, wireless and telecommuni- were traced to more than 1800 crimes cations, Tripp was able to provide cations providers who participated in nationwide. many of his employees with the option this event. We need their help greatly Allowing the importation of large of telecommuting. This approach has in the future.∑ numbers of these lethal weapons would worked well and Tripp’s Inc. has moved f have undermined efforts to reduce gun forward with a happier, more produc- violence in this country. It would have A VICTORY FOR AMERICANS tive and flexible work force. reduced the cost of the weapons, mak- An example of using the talents of ∑ Mr. LAUTENBERG. Mr. President, in ing them more accessible to criminals. the national laboratories to help foster the House of Representatives yesterday Enactment of the provision could rural economic development is the re- an amendment that would have al- also have provided a windfall for for- cently-developed New Mexico Arts lowed foreign governments to export to eign governments at the expense of the Database in Santa Fe, NM. With the the for commercial sale U.S. taxpayer. Under the proposal, our aid of Los Alamos National Labora- millions of lethal military weapons the government’s ability to require foreign tory, many New Mexico artists and ar- U.S. previously made available to them governments which received American tisans will soon be able to sell their art was dropped from the Treasury Appro- manufactured weapons to return pro- over the Internet. No longer will these priations bill. I have vigorously op- ceeds of the sales to the United States artists be limited to traditional, and posed this amendment in the Senate, Treasury would have been severely lim- very expensive, outlets or by location. and have worked to keep it out of Sen- ited. Consequently, countries that the Their art will become accessible via ate Appropriations bills. I congratulate U.S. assisted in times of need, such as the Internet to potential customers Representatives MCCARTHY, LOWEY, and the , could throughout the world. KENNEDY, SHAYS, and MALONEY for suc- have made a handsome profit off of our We hope to coordinate these and cessfully working to delete the provi- weapons. Even countries like Iran and other innovative approaches to rural sion from the House bill. could have profited. economic development through the As my colleagues may know, the Allowing more than two million U.S.- Rural Payday, Inc., organization I amendment was originally adopted origin military weapons to enter the mentioned earlier. This initiative will during the House Appropriations Com- United States would profit a limited focus on attracting and encouraging mittee markup of the Treasury, Postal number of arms importers but would telecommunications-related busi- Service, and General Government Ap- not be in the overall interest of the nesses, and businesses that can use propriations bill for fiscal year 1998 American people. These weapons are telecommunications tools more inno- without discussion or debate. Last year not designed for hunting or for shoot- vatively, to New Mexico. Such busi- a similar amendment was slipped into ing competitions; they are designed for nesses as 1–800 call centers, automatic the Senate version of the Commerce, war. Our own Department of Defense data processing satellite offices, more Justice, State and the Judiciary Ap- does not sell these weapons on the traditional businesses that can expand propriations bill, but it was not in- commercial market for profit in the into rural New Mexico using new com- cluded in the final version of the spend- United States. Foreign countries munications tools, and telemedicine ing law. should not be permitted to do so either. firms, to name a few, can become reali- It has been the policy of the Reagan, I’m delighted that this provision has ties for small and rural New Mexico. If Bush, and Clinton Administration’s not been dropped from the House version of we get the cooperation of the major to permit these American made mili- the bill. I have introduced legislation, telecommunications firm in infrastruc- tary weapons to be exported for com- S. 723, to repeal a loophole in the Arms ture and basic communications serv- mercial sale in the U.S. market. The Export Control Act that could enable ices, a serious problem that rural Administration strongly opposed the these weapons to enter the country America must face, we can revive amendment to allow foreign govern- under a future Administration. I hope smalltown America. I was glad to see ments to export them for commercial the Congress will approve this bill. that the major telecommunications sale. So did a coalition of fifty organi- In the meantime, Mr. President, this providers in our State were at least zations, including the Coalition to Stop is a huge victory for the American tax- willing to meet with potential cus- Gun Violence, Handgun Control, Inc., payer and a victory for all concerned tomers from rural areas and try to and the Violence Policy Center. I ask about . work out new approaches. More on this that a copy of a letter from these orga- The material follows: front needs to be done, and I pledge nizations be printed in the RECORD. I [From the New York Times, Sept. 9, 1997] that I will push these major firms at also ask that copies of editorials from THE SURPLUS GUN INVASION every opportunity. the New York Times, the Washington The New Mexico Telecommuni- Post, and the Times of Trenton, be Gun dealers, with the enthusiastic support of the National Association, are once cations Summit, the first of its kind in printed in the RECORD at the conclu- again trying to sneak through Congress a our State, opened a little window on sion of my remarks. measure that could put 2.5 million more ri- the future. With more cooperation be- The weapons that would have flooded fles and pistols onto American streets and tween users and providers of tele- our streets had this amendment been provide a handsome subsidy for weapons im- communications services, and with the approved were granted or sold to for- porters and a few foreign governments. This continued good work of our small busi- eign governments, often at a discount, bill, introduced with disgraceful stealth, ness community and our national lab- through military assistance programs, should be pounced on by the Clinton Admin- oratories, New Mexico has the chance and some are even ‘‘spoils of war.’’ istration and all in Congress who are con- Their market value exceeds $1 billion. cerned about crime. to create a thriving rural economy The bill is an amendment to the Treasury that will expand in the 21st century. The State Department estimates that Department’s appropriation, which may I would like to recognize the many 2.5 million such weapons have been come to a vote in the House this week. It companies and individuals who made granted or sold to foreign governments would allow countries that received Amer- this event such a tremendous success. I since 1950. About 1.2 million are M–1 ican military surplus M–1 , M–1 car- would like to also thank every Small , which are semiautomatic bines and M1911 pistols to sell them to weap- Business Advocacy Council member weapons that can easily be converted ons dealers in the United States. The coun- who took the time to attend and orga- to illegal, fully automatic weapons. tries—allies and former allies such as the nize this conference. In addition, I The weapons at issue are called ‘‘curios Philippines, South Korea, Iran and — got the guns free or at a discount or simply thank especially Angela Atterbury and or relics’’ because they are considered kept them after World War II, or the Korean Paul Silverman for their tireless ef- to have historic value or are more than and Vietnam wars. Current law requires forts in coordinating this event on be- 50 years old. But they are not innoc- them to pay the Pentagon if they sell the half of the SBAC. And, Sandia and Los uous antiques. These military weapons guns and bars Americans from importing

VerDate Mar 15 2010 22:16 Oct 24, 2013 Jkt 081600 PO 00000 Frm 00161 Fmt 0624 Sfmt 0634 E:\1997SENATE\S18SE7.REC S18SE7 mmaher on DSK5TPTVN1PROD with SOCIALSECURITY S9692 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE September 18, 1997 them. The new bill would change both provi- This bill, which sets aside money for the significant profits importing M–1 Garand and sions. Treasury, Postal Service and general govern- M–1 rifles and .45-caliber M1911 pis- The N.R.A. argues that the guns are mere- ment appropriations, is about to be up for a tols. The NRA argues that the guns are ‘‘cu- ly relics. But they are not too old to kill. In House vote and, unless this provision is rios or relics’’ that veterans want to own as 1995 and 1996 the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco changed, the U.S. market soon will be flood- mementos. But as weapons made for the bat- and traced these models to more ed with these dangerous weapons. tlefield they also happen to be very lethal, than 1,800 crime sits. Senator Frank Lauten- The guns are military weapons that were and, if imported in quantity, they would be berg, the bill’s main opponent, says these given or sold to friendly foreign govern- cheap—two attributes that would make guns have killed at least 10 police officers ments, such as South Korea, Turkey, Iran them catnip to criminals. In 1995 and 1996 the since 1990. M–1 carbines can be converted to and . They are called ‘‘curios Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms automatic firing, and all the M–1’s are easily and relics’’ since they were used in inter- traced these models to more than 1,800 crime converted into illegal assault weapons. national battles or are at least 50 years old. sites. Such guns have killed at least 10 police Republicans attached a similar bill to an The NRA claims these weapons, M–1 Ga- officers since 1990, including Franklin Town- emergency spending measure last year but rand, M–1 carbine rifles and .45-caliber M1911 ship Sgt. Ippolito ‘‘Lee’’ Gonzalez, shot down took it out under pressure from the White pistols, are collectibles for military-history two years ago with a M1911 wielded by the House. President Clinton should threaten to buffs and do no damage. notorious parolee Robert ‘‘Mudman’’ Simon. veto the Treasury appropriation if the meas- Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D–N.J., who is The semiautomatic M–1 carbines are light, ure remains. leading the charge to remove the gun provi- easy to carry, and easily convertible to ille- sion, thinks otherwise. He says they are dan- gal automatic weapons. [From the Washington Post, Aug. 4, 1997] gerous weapons and cities 1995 and 1996 Bu- Last year a similar amendment was slipped SURPLUS WEAPONS, SURPLUS DANGER reau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms sta- into the Senate version of a departmental Gun sales are flat, so the nation’s gun im- tistics linking these particular models to appropriations bill, but at the insistence of porters are looking to shake up the market. 1,800 crimes, including the killing of at least the White House the provision was removed. Once again they want permission to bring 10 police officers in the past seven years. This year, Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D–N.J., into the country an arsenal of as many as 2.5 Those same statistics show New Jersey one of the strongest advocates in Congress of million U.S. Army surplus weapons that ranked seventh in the nation for crime a sensible national gun policy, was able to were given or sold to foreign governments scenes involving M–1 rifles and M1911 pistols. block similar legislation in the Senate, and decades ago. Lautenberg says about 1.2 million of the he’s leading the fight to keep the provision The industry classifies the guns as obsolete weapons are M–1 carbines, semiautomatic out of the final version of the Treasury ap- ‘‘curios and relics’’ of interest mostly to col- weapons which easily are converted into propriations bill that’s sent to the White lectors and sports shooters. But they’re not fully automatic weapons. House. President Clinton, for his part, should talking about a gentleman officer’s pearl- The State Department, starting in the make it clear that he’s as opposed as ever to handled revolvers. These are soldiers’ M1 Ga- Reagan era, has forbidden foreign govern- this terrible idea, and will veto any spending rand rifles, M1 carbines and .45-caliber M1911 ments from exporting these guns into the bill that includes it. pistols; some can be converted to automatic United States for sale. It is inconceivable or illegal assault weapons with parts that that under the Clinton administration, SEPTEMBER 8, 1997. cost as little as $100. For public safety rea- known for its anti-gun policies, this wise DEAR REPRESENTATIVE: In late-July, dur- sons, the Pentagon declines to transfer such prohibition would be reversed. ing mark-up of the Fiscal Year 1998 Treas- surplus to commercial gun vendors, which is Lautenberg, who successfully stopped a ury-Postal Service-General Government Ap- why the Clinton, Bush and Reagan adminis- similar proposal in the Senate, says no one is propriations bill, the Appropriations Com- trations have enforced a policy of keeping paying attention to the provisions in the mittee accepted an amendment that would the overseas weapons out. House bill. The sounds of silence soon may allow foreign governments to export to the This week, the gun importers, cheered on be overcome by the sounds of more needless United States for commercial sale, millions, by the National Rifle Association, quietly weapons being fired in this country. of military weapons the United States pre- persuaded a House appropriations panel to viously made available to foreign countries approve language to prevent the State, Jus- [From the Times, Sept. 14, 1997] through military assistance programs. tice and Treasury departments from denying For a range of public health and safety na- STOP THE GUN INVASION the importers’ applications. It’s a slap at the tional security, and taxpayer reasons, we country’s efforts to reduce gun violence. Congress does its dirtiest work in the dark, strongly urge you vote to delete the provi- To introduce a flood of these historical with little or no debate. An outstanding ex- sion from the Fiscal Year 1998 Treasry-Post- weapons is to risk driving down the price of ample of this propensity was the $50 billion al Service-General Government Appropria- firearms and putting more within the reach giveaway to the tobacco industry that Sen- tions bill. of street criminals. It isn’t simply gun-con- ate Majority Leader Trent Lott and House Supporters of this amendment describe it trol groups but the Bureau of Alcohol, To- Speaker Newt Gingrich smuggled into the as an innocuous measure which simply al- bacco and Firearms that warns of an in- balanced-budget package at the last minute. lows the importation of some obsolete ‘‘cu- creased use of these kinds of weapons against The huge public protest that followed be- rios and relics.’’ In reality, the amendment police around the country. In 1995–96 alone, lated disclosure of that outrage was heard in would allow the import of an estimated 2.5 304 U.S. military surplus M1 rifles and 99 sur- Washington, and last week the Senate voted million weapons of war, including 1.2 million plus pistols were traced to crime scenes. At 95–3 to repeal the provision. Even Sen. Lott M1 carbines. The is a semi-auto- least nine law enforcement officers have voted yes. Let’s hope the lopsidedness of the matic weapon that can be easily converted been killed by M1 rifles or M1911 pistols since Senate tally will help persuade the House to into automatic fire and comes equipped with 1990, according to Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D– go along with the repealer. a 15-30 round detachable . N.J.), who has introduced legislation to ce- Now a similar effort is needed to undo THIS IS A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE ment the import ban in law by reconciling some major mischief committed in the some contradictory statutes. House Appropriations Committee in the days Although the backers of the provision The State Department says that weapons before the August recess. An amendment to claim that these World War II era weapons transfers—even for outdated guns—should the Treasury Department funding bill, hur- are now harmless ‘‘curios and relics’’, in re- remain an executive branch prerogative to riedly approved with almost no discussion, ality they remain deadly assault weapons. be handled country by country. Why should would allow some 2.5 million surplus U.S. According to the Bureau of Alcohol, To- the governments of Turkey, or Paki- military rifles and pistols to enter this coun- bacco, and Firearms, the M1 Carbine can eas- stan collect a windfall from U.S. gun import- try. They would come from U.S. allies and ily be converted into a fully-automatic as- ers when the products they are trading origi- former allies, such as the Philippines, South sault rifle. For this reason, the Department nally were supplied by the U.S. government? Korea, Turkey and even Iran and Vietnam, of Defense has refused to sell its surplus Why should Vietnam and Iran be allowed to which got the guns free or at cost, during the stocks of these weapons to civilian gun deal- earn currency from U.S.-made weaponry various wars of this century. Present law re- ers and collectors in the United States. they took as ‘‘spoils of war.’’ President Clin- quires these countries to pay the U.S. gov- According to Raymond W. Kelley, the ton last year headed off a similar effort to ernment if they sell the guns and prohibits Treasury Department’s Under-Secretary for allow in the surplus weapons and should be Americans from importing them, but the Enforcement, the inflow of these weapons counted on to do so again. stealth amendment to the appropriations bill will drive down the price of similar weapons, would nullify those provisions. These foreign making them more accessible to criminals. STEALTH AMENDMENT SNEAKS IN WEAPONS countries have no right to rake in a windfall Already, during 1995–1996, ATF has traced LAUTENBERG TRIES TO STOP PROVISION from munitions originally supplied by the 1,172 M1911 pistols and 639 M1 rifles to crimes Lobbyists for the National Rifle Associa- U.S. government—munitions that our own committed in the United States. tion scored a big victory in August when Department of Defense doesn’t sell on the THIS IS A GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT CONCERN they sneaked in a little clause in the House commercial market for profit in the U.S. Nearly 2.5 million of these weapons were Appropriations bill allowing about 2.5 mil- The amendment was pushed by—who given or sold as ‘‘security assistance’’ to al- lion guns to be imported into the United else?—the National Rifle Association, along lied governments. Under United States law, States. with gun wholesalers, who envision making recipients of American arms and military

VerDate Mar 15 2010 22:16 Oct 24, 2013 Jkt 081600 PO 00000 Frm 00162 Fmt 0624 Sfmt 0634 E:\1997SENATE\S18SE7.REC S18SE7 mmaher on DSK5TPTVN1PROD with SOCIALSECURITY September 18, 1997 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE S9693 aid must obtain permission from the United Iowans for the Prevention of Gun Vio- ping areas by the Michigan Retailers States government before re-transferring lence, John Johnson, State Coordi- Association. Much of this success has those arms to third parties. Setting a dan- nator; Legal Community Against Vio- been thanks, in part, to the chamber’s gerous precedent, this amendment fun- lence, Barrie Becker, Executive Direc- work in promoting local businesses. damentally undercuts the ability of the tor; Lutheran Office for Government The community of Westland is grateful United States government to exercise its Affairs, ELCA, The Rev. Russ Siler; right of refusal on retransfer of United Mennonite Central Committee, Wash- for the tremendous support the cham- States arms. ington Office, J. Daryl Byler, Director; ber has given, and on behalf of the U.S. The Reagan, Bush, and Clinton Adminis- National Association of Children’s Hos- Senate, thanks is due to the chamber trations have all barred imports of these pitals and Related Institutions, Stacy for making Michigan a better place.∑ military weapons by the American public. Collins, Associate Director, Child f The Appropriations bill explicitly overrides Health Improvement; National Asso- this policy, prohibiting the government from ciation of Secondary School Principals, NATIONAL HISTORICALLY BLACK denying applications for the importation of Stephen R. Yurek, General Counsel; COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES ‘‘U.S. origin and curio or relic National Black Police Association, WEEK firearms and parts.’’ In effect, the provision Ronald E. Hampton, Executive Direc- ∑ Mr. SARBANES. Mr. President, this would force the Administration to allow tor; National Coalition Against Domes- week, from September 14–20, has been thousands of M1 assault rifles and M1911 pis- tic Violence, Rita Smith, Executive Di- tols into circulation with the civilian popu- rector; National Commission for Eco- designated National Historically Black lation, thereby not only threatening public nomic Conversion and Disarmament, Colleges and Universities Week, and I safety but also undermining governmental Miriam Pemberton, Director; National am pleased to take this opportunity to oversight and taxpayer accountability. Council of the Churches of Christ in recognize the achievements of these THIS IS ALSO A TAXPAYER CONCERN the U.S., Albert M. Pennybacker, Di- fine institutions of higher education. The amendment also presents a windfall of rector, Washington Office; National For more than 150 years, the 116 his- millions of dollars to foreign governments League of Cities; New Hampshire torically black colleges and univer- and United States gun dealers. The amend- Ceasefire, Alex Herlihy, Co-Chair; New sities [HBCU’s] throughout our Nation ment effectively terminates a requirement Yorkers Against Gun Violence, Bar- have played a vital role in providing that allies reimburse the United States bara Hohlt, Chair; Orange County Citi- zens for the Prevention of Gun Vio- students with an exceptional edu- treasury if they sell United States-supplied cation. These institutions have signifi- weapons. According to ATF, each M1 Car- lence, Mary Leigh Blek, Chair; Peace bine, rifle, and cur- , Gordon S. Clark, Executive Di- cantly increased educational access for rently sells for about $300–500 in the United rector; Pennsylvanians Against Hand- thousands of economically and socially States market. The South Korean, Turkish, gun Violence, Daniel J. Siegel, Presi- disadvantaged Americans, particularly and Pakistani governments and militaries dent; Physicians for Social Responsi- young African-Americans. In turn, stand to make millions from the resale of bility, Robert K. Musil, PhD., Execu- armed with this educational oppor- these weapons. South Korea has 1.3 million tive Director; Presbyterian Church tunity, these young people have risen M1 Garands and Carbines, while the Turkish (U.S.A.), Washington Office, Elenora to the challenges of our time and have military and police have 136,000 M1 Garands Giddings Ivory, Director; Project on Government Oversight, Danielle Brian, become leaders not only of their own and 50,000 M1911 pistols. These weapons were communities, but of our Nation as originally given free, or sold at highly sub- Executive Director; Saferworld, Peter sidized rates, or retrieved as ‘‘spoils of war.’’ J. Davies, U.S. Representative; Texans well. The United States Department of Defense Against Gun Violence-Houston, Dave While constituting only 3 percent of does not sell these lethal weapons on the Smith, President; Unitarian Univer- the Nation’s colleges, HBCU’s enroll 16 commercial market for profit. Why should salist Association of Congregations, percent of all African-Americans stu- we allow foreign governments to do so? The Rev. Meg A. Riley, Director, Wash- dents in higher education. Each year Again, we strongly urge you vote to delete ington Office for Faith In Action; U.S. they award approximately 28 percent of this provision from the Fiscal Year 1998 Conference of Mayors; Unitarian Uni- all baccalaureate degrees earned by Af- Treasury-Postal Service-General Govern- versalist Service Committee, Richard rican-Americans nationwide and they ment Appropriations bill. S. Scobie, Executive Director; Vir- Thank you. ginians Against Handgun Violence, continue to graduate the majority of African-Americans who go on to earn American College of Physicians; Amer- Alice Mountjoy, President; WAND ican Friends Service Committee, (Women’s Action for New Directions), advanced degrees, including 75 percent James Matlack, Director, Washington Susan Shaer, Executive Director; of all African-American PhD’s, 50 per- Office; American Jewish Congress, Westside Crime Prevention Program, cent of all African-American attorneys, David A. Harris, Director, Washington Marjorie Cohen, Executive Director; and 75 percent of all African-American Office; American Public Health Asso- YWCA of the U.S.A., Prema Mathai- military officers. The success of these ciation, Mohammad Akhter, M.D., Ex- Davis, Chief Executive Officer; 20/20 Vi- institutions in providing educational ecutive Director; Americans for Demo- sion, Robin Caiola, Executive Direc- opportunities for African-Americans in tor.∑ cratic Action, Amy Isaacs, National unparalleled. Director; British American Security f My own State of Maryland is privi- Information Council, Dan Plesch, Di- leged to be served by four outstanding rector; Ceasefire New Jersey, Bryan WESTLAND CHAMBER OF Miller, Executive Director; Children’s COMMERCE historically black colleges and univer- sities: Bowie State University, Coppin Defense Fund; Church of the Brethren, ∑ Mr. ABRAHAM. Mr. President, I rise Washington Office, Heather Nolen, Co- State College, Morgan State Univer- ordinator; Church Women United, Ann today to pay tribute to the members of sity, and the University of Maryland Delorey, Legislative Director; Coali- the Westland Chamber of Commerce on Eastern Shore. These four institutions, tion to Stop Gun Violence, Michael K. the occasion of their 35th anniversary. all of which have undergone dramatic Beard, President; Community Since 1962, this organization has done a growth in recent years, have contrib- Healthcare Association of New York commendable job in reaching out to uted significantly to the higher edu- State, Ina Labiner, Executive Director; the community by supporting such pro- cation system in Maryland. Concerned Citizens of Bensonhurst, grams as D.A.R.E., the Annual Jobs Bowie State, one of the oldest black Inc., Adeline Michaels, President; Con- and Career Fair, and scholarships to necticut Coalition Against Gun Vio- universities in the United States, is the lence, Sue McCalley, Executive Direc- local college-bound students. Through Nation’s first historically African- tor; Demilitarization for Democracy; these and countless other programs, American institution to offer graduate Episcopal Peace Fellowship, Mary H. the Westland Chamber of Commerce programs in Europe. While providing Miller, Executive Secretary; Federa- has assisted local entrepreneurs as high quality education to thousands of tion of American Scientists, Jeremy J. they begin and expand their businesses, African-Americans, Coppin State has Stone, President; Friends Committee and in so doing, has made a significant uniquely focused on serving the resi- on National Legislation, Edward (Ned) and substantive impact on the quality dents of inner-city Baltimore for al- W. Stowe, Legislative Secretary; Gen- of life for residents in the Westland eral Federation of Women’s Clubs, Lau- most 100 years. Morgan State annually rie Cooper, GFWIC Legislative Direc- Community. ranks among the top 10 public cam- tor; Handgun Control, Inc., Sarah Mr. President, Westland is the 10th puses nationally in the number of bac- Brady, Chair; Independent Action, largest city in Michigan and was re- calaureate recipients who pursue doc- Ralph Santora, Political Director; cently rated third in the top five shop- torate degrees. The University of

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