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House budget plans. Within of his election, he and other leaders warned' Reagan that Con­ would quickly tbrpedo any move domestic proginms while leav- deferiSe-spending boosts .intact. lliBob Packwood ' ' ...... : I j 1.1 I I I • . I - I I . , , , ~, • ! ! . , r of Oregon, a COP mode rate ;.ho close­ \,.:------' -·~- - . ~. ly re Oects Dole's views on finance mat­ '' I I ' I I , .I . ' , L• r I r ,' ters but frequently opposes the White I r r '1 • 1 House on civil-rights and social issues. Packwood, 52, already has voiced doubts over the "tax simplification" Senatit · ~;publlcan~ . go their for the 99th Congress, Dole snid that a pl an rece ntly unveiled by the 'ITeasury own way bf chooalng-a high priority will be retaini ng COP Department. Only afte r spending cuts • .--.~. ... ~ • . t control of the Senate in 1986-whe n are accomplished will the Finance new leader. wl•" ·l!~r.o~:~g Ideas 22 Republicans are up for re-election. Committee do anything beyond hold­ on taxes and other Issues. Those election concerns are certain in g hearings on taxes, he told reporters. to stre ngthen the backbone of Senate The Republicans also filled other key In choosing Bob Dole of Kansas as Republicans in standing up to White vacant committee chairmanships. Lu· majority lender , Senate Re publicans House programs that may not si t well gar, a conservative, be comes head of have se rved notice on President Rea- buck home. "T he Presid ent is a lame the Foreign Relations panel, succeed­ gun they will be no m ere rubber stamp duck, and the majority leader must ing Charles Percy of Illinois who was for his second-term llli!&rums. move into that vacuum," said Senator defeated at the polls. Jesse Helms of The 53 COP senators ·;:p;:i c'tk'=ed:iTD'-o:i'Je-::--fj o':ih::n~Wii'a'::r'=n-:'e. ='r ~(R"-'iv;':a"<. )-". ~.. \si:-:y "'p:;i:;c .:iicn'=g ~t~e - art - c arolina was nextlnline forthe - acerbic, strong-willed chairman of the strongest leader, I believe we expressed job but turned it down to re tain his top Senate Finance Committee and n 1988 an elemerit of .independence." post on the Agriculture Committee. presidential aspirunl--<>ve r four others Certain to face scrutiny by the new Succeeding Packwood as chairman in a hard-fought contest to succeed leadership are Reagan's tax and spend­ of the Commerce, Science and Trans­ Senator Howard Baker of Tennessee ns ing plans. Dole, as chairman of the tax­ porta tion Committee is John Danforth the leading Republican in Congress. writing panel, s~ l dom pulled punches of Mi ssouri. Barry Coldwater of Ariza· Though his voting record reOects in disagreements with the administra­ na becomes head of the Armed Ser· generully strong support for Rea gan's lion. His early criticism of "supply vices panel, replacing john Tower of programs, Dole is known as an adept side" economics gained hi m the las ting Texas, who is retiring. tactician and political pragmatist who enmity of "new right" Republicans. Alan Sim pson ofWyOJning was chosen is more interested in forging compro- Already, Dole is taking issue with assistant majority leade r, or whip-the mises on tough issues than bowing to second-ranking position under Dole. conse rvati ve ideology. Republicans also picked j ohn Chafee of A 16-year Senate vetenin· who has Rhode Island, a liberal, to replace Me· never shied froiD criticizing White Clure. a conservative, as chairman of the House policies, Dole, 61, vows to work Republican Confe rence, the forum for hard as the President's chief legislative· party strategy in the Senate. all y. " Boss, I'm ready to go to work," he Rounding out the leade rship team told Reagan moments aft er his victory. are Thad Cochran of Mi ssissippi, con­ Ye t, as majority leader, Dole hedges ference secretary; William Armstrong on just how far he will go in selling of Colorado, Policy Committee chair· Reagan's legislative initiatives, p a rti.cu~ man, and j ohn Heinz of Pe nnsylvania, larly on taxes and spending- subjects Campaign Committee chairman. on which he has his own strong ideas. While Senate Republicans are con· The competition; In the final voting, vinced they have a strong, well-bal· Dole edged out Ted Stevens of Alaska, anced corps .of leaders, a powerful in­ assistant C OP leade r unde r Baker. depe ndent streak running through the Eliminated earlier were Richard Lugar GOP ranks is ce rtain to. bring discom­ of Indiana, Pe te Dome nici of New fort to Reagan in the months ahead. D Mexico and James Mc Clure of Idaho. While refusing to list specific goals Bu JEFFERr L . .'iltf:U ·:R

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sic beneftts. Nobody wants to the business to make money; That's a tougll·,thing,to do, to get toucll- those. The Qt~estlon Is he doesn't have any desire. to people wtio c;!!JISI~ r lllem­ whether we sllould freeze the belp the RepubUCl\il Party. But selves Dem~ts to take a cost or living adjustment that I don't have any qliari'el with look at the Republican Party. gives beneftclarles an automat­ him. I think he has the right to We are gewngstronger.l'm go­ Ic Increase, based on Inflation. attack me It he wants. I'm a Ing to do what I can as the lead­ We sllould take a look at that If public llgure, lair g&me. But er or the .Republican Senate to we are going to freeze food I'm willing to bet I'm as conser­ attraC( bi!IC~ Hispanics, and stamp beneftts or other pro­ val,lve as he Is - I just don't union people, plus the people grams 11\111 give very small wear it on my sleeve. we have now. Robert Dole, 6 I, a cllecks to low Income people, USA TODAY: But black Kansas Republican, has' then II seems to me we ouglltto USA TODAY: Do you ex· been elected Senate ma­ leadenblp II solldly antl·Re­ look at ml.ddle and upper In­ pect to bave good relations publlcan. jority leader for the 99th come Social Security benellcla­ with the White House? Congress. Dole, who was rles. The president Is not going DOLE: Black leadership lias fonnerly chainnan of the to suggest It, but 11 enough DOLE: They're good now - Senate Finance Commit· to take a look at the Republi­ Democrats and Republicans and, In my view, they'll remain can Party. They can't be anti­ tee, was President Gerald felt It was a good Idea, then we good. Ford's running mate in B•quun Ha~an. USA TOOAV Republican and expect Repub­ could go to the .pi-esldent and licans to jump tbrougll hoops In 1976 and is often men­ try to persuade him to support USA TODAY: You don't see tioned as a possible presi­ fairly. lf\you have two people the Congi-ess. It just doesn't It - or at least sign It up with good subslltutes. Other­ earning lhe same amount or any friction on the horizon? work that way. dential candidate in 1988. ~.wecan'tgeitbesavl~ He was interviewed by money,llvlng In the same town . USA TODAY: To anack the we don't have any Impact on or even the same neighbor­ DOLE: I don't believe so. But USA TODAY: Your wife USA TODAY's Barbara dellclt, the Wblte House Is tbe dellclt or on lnlerest rates I expect tbe president will want Reynolds hood, and one pays a lot of tax­ Elizabeth Is secretary of conslderinl ellinlnatlnl en- or on the strength of the dollar es and the other pays zero or a us to convey honest dlll'erences traii!)IOrtatlon. Do you think 11~ proua1111, Uke the Small - or on the whole ball of wax. very small amount ·- that Is or oplnlon, to him. You don't that there are going to be two BUsiness Administration. Do hard to justify. 'lbat Shouldn't need a ye$ man Ill the House or Doles on the presidential tick­ you support these drastic USA TODAY: fllil't ellml· happen In America It's tbe In !b~ Sena~; What you need Is et Ill 1988? No fed~ral spe~ding cuts? natllll the Small Business Ad­ same with corporations. A iot someone wbo Is suppOrtive but ministration. 1accinslstent or corporations make a lot or !s still lndeileft!le.nf ei!Ougll to DOLE: Who'd be the other DOLE: Let's race It -It's not · wltb RepubUcan_pbllosopby? Income that they pay very little speak up pgvately,-, not mak­ one (!llughs). I mean It would should scrllt:Qty easy. I mean we've all been out tax on, or It Isn't taxed at all. Ing headlines. but· sPeaking up. be Elizabeth and who else? escape speeches, DOLE: A lot or· areas ln .the Sometimes what rilay apjlear there making Repub­ Yet 90me other corporation· (laughs) USA TODAY: What are USA TODAY: Are you p licans and Democrats. We so-called Small Business Ad­ may have a very' blgb ell'ectlve 0 your primary goals as the lllg to support cuts In the de­ have lleBfll the applause !rom ministration ougbt to be re-· tax rate. I_WOI!Iclll't sugest that ~~ n~ S::::~a~d~ ~&~~ ~ USA TODAY: You're not Senate majority leader? fense budget? the audlenCI!.saying, "Right on! view~. Thel)l lsn'l any pro­ the TreaSury plan ougllt to be Hill. Then I'll say, we11 llave ready to announce that you're We're, gollig to ·cut spending. gram In Ibis toV(n that ~ by the taxpaye~S with trouble passing this, Mr. Presi­ going to run for prealdeot? DOLE: I'm trying to sort DOLE: My view Is that the Get baC\( out there !Uld·cut that sboU!clll't be re~ewecL The wild applause, but Ill my view dent It will be areallstlc work­ th05e out We want to take a Pres!dent Is going to be very re­ budget" Some of those people . only thl~ w~ Sl!oulclll't review we are_IIIJing'to have an educa­ Ing relationShip. DOLE: No. We've had a lot look at the Senate rules. I want allstlc on defense. .It Is not go­ who were applauding probBbly Is the lliten;st· on. th!! debt tloqal ell'ort before we can sal­ of fun kidding about that In to sit down with the Democrat­ Ing to escape the ax. thought yciu ~ere going 10 cut We've 11111 to P.8Y tha.L We mlgbt vage ·a radical tax plan that USA TODAY: What do the fact, I miN say I got more mall Ic leader and go.over some of or ellmlna!e somebody else's even Gild ·a better way to do may be good. RepubiiCUII have to do to wllen I was named Senate ma­ their priorities. You can't make USA TODAY: It bas -been program-not theirs. ',ye can't that with a lltue work around condnue to be a lltrolll party? jority leader than even when I this Senate work unless you've SUUested that $8 bUUon c:ould get· there unless we. do some­ here. USA TODAY: ,.Richard , VI­ was on the presidential ticket got cooperation from both be cut from this year's de­ thing. It's tough, tougb to get ~e, the (lllblllber of DOLE: We've 1101 to keep at­ with Gerald Ford. A lot of peo­ USA TODAY: People seem CoD­ sides or the aisle. Obviously the fense budgeL Do you agree? there unless you take actions ~•tlve that tracilng more people Into our ple wrote, "We hope that It's go­ to be wqrrled tha~ tu slmpll­ D/6at.l!il11.81!1 big, big challenges we have In · like th05e belrig considered you bave1. IIIJipor(ed party, people that blstoriCaiiy Ing to be a Dole-Dole ticket" 1985 are the budget delldl and DOLE: I don't think that Sec­ now by tbe White House. · fl~tlon means they'll lose tubeca• lllereaer, you are ·the Ill the. past 40, 50 years have I'm not certain II makes any tax simpllllcation. retary Weinberger would 10me deductlona. Walter Mondale of the Repub­ been looking the other way. political sense. agree that It could eve~~David Stockman has pointed doesn't have a second borne or clfl8ed a lot or loopbotes; we •1JMI.61: Scott w. Lucas, o-1n. out to many o! )IS. :.Jt's preity lbird borne or a fourth borne. U trjed to make the tax system . ··11147-49: Wollace H. White Jr.. R-Maine USA TODAY: Would you hard to get an aCJiis9.the-board this happens, 111 bet 90 percent fair. . . •11137-47: Alben W. Barkley. D-Ky. support any kiDd of a tu In­ freeze. We need J I181 general. or the American people are DOt .1933-37: Joseph T. Robinson, D-Arl<. crease to cut the dellclt? concept, but you're 11111!18 to llllmg to be dlsturbelf at alL USA .TODAY: Dfle8 It both­ • 1ta-33: James E. Wataon. R-Ind. have to al9o modify, reduce, er you ~ peeple uy that • 1124-29: Charles Curtis, R-Kan. DOLE: As a last resart, that's and ellmlnate some ongoing USA. TODAY: U ~ you are tl!Oilberai1 · •111111-24: lieNy Cabot Lodge. A-Mass. the president's pOsition. Only programs. have to pay 111per tue~o _ •11117·19: Thon1as s. Martin, o-va. after, we'Ve l'llli8 out all the· won't they Jlllt pa. t11at ln­ DOLE: II doesll't bother me •1913-17: John w. Kem,,D-Ind. creuepato-enf 11 }llgiierte 1111YS It; be. spendirig-we can and' then It USA TODAY: Will Social \ . ~ ·...... ,,...... ' RJc:iJfnt • ·11111-13: Shelby-M. CUllom, R-Ill. you still don't have the deftcll Security bendlll be cut? C811W ·t·don't consider blm to down to a ~nable level, DOLE: I think the principle be a Republican. The last lime then taxes come In as a last re­ DOLE: No one Is seeking to ot the Treasu_ry plan Is to dl& 1 saw blm oo televtsloo, be~ sort. do anything to the so-called ba- Bv &Joan H111on, USA TODAY bibule the tax burden more he was an lndepimdent He's In