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No. 34, Tuesday, April 30, 198J/Vaisakha 10, 1907 (Saka) eotu.a· )ral Answers to Questions : ••. 1·25 ·Starred Questions Nos, 649. 65.3 to 656 and 658

Written Answers to Questions: ,.·Z'·186 Starred Questions Nos. 650, to 652, 657 and 659 to 668

Unstarred Questions Nos. 4764 to 4842, 4844, 4845,4847 to 4852 and 4854 to 4898

PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE ... 186-189

MATTERS UNDER RULE 377- ... 189·191~

(i) Need to set up ~10 academy of judicial Administration to train judges and conduct refresher courses for them.

Shri Kamal Nath. ••. 18J

(it) Need to improve the Pay scale of post graduute teachers in Goa, Daman and Diu and remove disparity in pension to teachers of aided and Govcrtlment schools.

&hri Shantaram Naik .. ·193

(iii) Need for immediate Centra) help. to Madh)8 Pradesh to cope with the problem of drinking water in the State.

Kumari Pushpa Devi ... 194

(if) Need to make the Himsagar Eotpress a hi-weekly train and to provide its stoppages at important stafjons in the District .Qf Kottayam, Pathnamthilte and Alleppey.

Prof. P.J. Kuri ell.

(v) Need to remove the limit of Its. 1,600 for paymer.t of .. ; 'bonus to employees.

Sbri K.N. Pradhan ... 19'

• The si8J1+marked above the name of a Member indicates that fhe qUfstion \\·,s .. skod 01 tb. ~ of the 'louie by th"t Member. 1",1 (ii)

CoLUMNS (vi) Demand to give employment to the unemployed resideDts of district Gonda (Eastern V. P.) in tbe m let up tbere. Shri Deep Narain Van •• ·196

(vii)' Need to take stePl for the proper fUDctioninl of Kolar r, &lj Mines to avoid its closure

'! ...... , j Dr. V. Vunkatesh ••. ISl7

DEMANDS FOR GRANTS (Ocncral), 198~.8(;-Mini{\tf'Y of •• ·19&-379 Aariculture and Rural Development

Sbri M. Raghuma Reddy ••. 20,1

Shri Birindcr Singh ••. 225

Sbri Ram Pujan Patel •.. 228

Shri Zainal Abedill ... 232

Shri Jagannath Chowdhal'Y ... 241

Shri V. Krishna Rno ... 245

, Shri N. Soundararajan ... 248

Shrimati Phulrellu Guba .,. 2S 1

Shri Jujhar Singh ••• 254

Shri K. Mohardas ••• 2S8

Shri Raj Manga 1 Pandey ••. 262

Shri Somnath Path ••. ',65

Shri Vakkam Purushothaman ••• 270

Shri Ram Bahadur $il)lh .,.273

Shri R. leevarathinam .~.277

Prof. M.R. Halder ••. 281

Shri Satyendra Narayan Sinha ••. 284

Shri R.am Prakash ••. 2'19

Sbri Palas Barman ... 291

Shri Chintamani Paniarahi ••• 215

Shri S. KriabDa Kumar .It. aoe

Sbri K.N. Pradhaa .... 304 (iiI)

COLUMNS

Sbri Banwari Lal Bairwa .. 360

Shri O.S. Baslvaraj ••• 309

Shri C. Jang8 Reddy ••. 313

Shri Sbanti Dbariwal •• 318

Shri Jagdish Awastbi ... 320

Shri Virdhi Chnnder Jain ••. 321

Shri Harihar Soren ••. 323

Shri Ram Samujhawan ••. 326

Shri K. Ramachandra Reddy ... 328

Shri Chandu1al Chandrakar .•. 334

Shri S.M. Guraddi ••. 348

Shri S.B. Sidnal •.. 350

Sh lima t i Jayant i Patnaik ••• 3SS

Shri G.L. Do81'a ... 3S8

Shri B. N. Reddy ... 361

Sbri Bharat Singh •.. 364

Shri Lachchi Ram .0.366

Shri Sriba]1av PJnigrahi •.. 367

Shri Dharam Pal Singh Malik :. 369

Dr. V. Vcnkatesh ... 371

Shri R.S. Mane •• ·373 Dr. Chandra Shekhar Tripathi ••. 374

Shri Lal Vijay Pratap ,Singh ... 376

Sbri Harisb Rawat ... 31' ••• 379 Shri Chintamani lena

••• 380 ARREST OF MEMBER .•. 380 (Shri N.V.N. Somu) LOK SABHA DEBATES

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LOK SABHA SHRI G.O. SWELL: Sir, I must, for once, congratulate the Minister for bis -- clever brevity, Out of the approved Tutsday April JO, 1985/Vaisakha 10, 1907 investment of Rs. 1,359 crores, only Rs. (Saka) one crore has been aflotted this year, and the Minister said that availability of funds The Lok Sabha met at Ele~len of the wi]) be one of the factors. Now, as part Clock of iny first question, I would Hk c to ask this. I am happy to ~ee the Petroleum [MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chair] Minister noting down because I would like answers to each ~ne of these parts of ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS the question. Firstly, he s aid the availa- bility of funds is one of the factors. What [English] are the other factors. Over and above this one crore of rupees allotted 1his year, Budget Provision for Karns) Refinery have you incurred other expenditure OD acquisition of land for the Refinery. On *649. SHRI G.G. SWELL: Will the the jaunts of the officers to the United Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to States and Western Euroge to procure a itate : hydro cracker, a hydrogen plant, how much is spent? Have you placed orders (a) this year's budget provision for with some of our public undertakings like the planned Karnal Refinery; the Bharat Heavy Plates and Vessels, to what extent you have placed orders and (b) the approved investment for this whether all thj~ is adequate is reasonable refinery; and with the provision of Rs, one crore for this year? This is my first question. (c) whether at the present rate of budgetary provision~ the refinery will be MK. DEPUTY .. SPEAKER: Still you completed by the dateline, September, are having some more questions to ask ! 1989 ? SHRI ZULFIQUAR ALI KHAN: Mr, THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Deputy-Speaker, you wj}) also do the same PETROLEUM

Though the total a Uocation which bas SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA been made in the present Budget is only I am thankful to the h~n. Member who bas Rs. one crore, in the year 1984-85, we highlighted 8(\me of the very important, had a provision of Rs. 7 croTes. Out ot needs of the country with regard to this this provis ion of Rs. 7 crores, these pay- Refinery. I am .one with him that this ments have been made and committed. Refinery must come up in time. I am in agreement with him that the· import of I have no information with regard to petroleum product.s may pose difficulties the jaunts abroad. But I win furnish this and also the transportation of 'pettoleuai to the hon. Members. That may be mini- ptoducts from the port which is Kandla to mum. It may be one of the lowest items the coDiuming ctl1tres wOlild pose It eater IDcluded. Tbo main constraint with resard difficulties. There may be sometimes traril" ,. VAISAKltA 10. l~O' (SArA) tJrai AnswefS g

J)ott 80ttelncclts in the oonsuming areas. country. May I kno~ wheth 'C the hon. It is. also a fact that this Refinery has a Minister will examine this aspect of gett. Ii million tonne capacity and this Refinery ing foreign assistance from other countries is going to process the Bombay High for early completion of these projects? crude. ( Tnte,.ruption,~) Tn view of all t~ ese thjngs and consi· derations, this Refinery was propos ~d .and, SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA: fortunately, it was approved by the Plan .. The hon. Member has put a question with ninl' Commission. But probably because regard to Mangalore Refinery though the' of constraints of resources, the Planning question relates to the Karnal Refinery. Commission is not providing the requisite However, I am of the view that Mangalore funds. My Ministry j~ trying very hard to Refinery which has been approved by the get funds from the Planning Commission. Planning Commission in principLe V; being We have suggested to them that some of held up for constraint of resources and as tbe funds' requirement can be met by our the hon. Member has suggested about the fnternal resources also. All these matters via media, this is a suggestion which can are still under the consideration of the be e~amin ed by the Planning Commission Planning Commission. We hope that the and the Government at a ditferent level. Planning Commission in view of the ur- gency and the need of this Refinery to be Qualiflcations for Appointment of Standing set up will consider it favourably. and Panel Counsels

SHRI T.V. CHANDRASHEKHARAp· *653. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA : Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE PA : Both Karnal and Manga]ore Refine· be pi ries were sanctioned at the same time. eased to state: Mangalorc Refinery is a cheaper project (a) whether there are any rule's and as compared to Karnal Refinery because it minimum qual ffications prescribed for is situated ncar the shore belt. The amount appoitltmcnt of Cen ICJ.I Govenlmcnt which has been given so far is negligible .••• Stal1ding and Panel Counsels; and MR.. DEPUTY SPEAKER. This is (b) if not, the reasons therefor -? about Karnal Refinery. You are asking about Mangalore Refinery. If you want to THE; MINISTER OF STATE IN THE put any supplementary regarding Karnal MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE Refinery, you put it. Why are YOll going (SHRI H.R. BHARADW AJ : (a) anu (b) from Karnal Refinery to Mangalore Re- Persons appointed as Central Govern- finery or to some other Refinery? You ment Standing Counsel and Panel Coun~el have to give sufficient notice to the Minis. are practising advocates who fuifil the ter so that he is in a posit ion to reply to qualifications prescribed under the Advocates that. (Illternptioll~) Act, 1961 and are cnrolJed on the RoJ] of the Bar CouncH concerned. It has DOt. , SHRI T.V. CHANDRASHEKHARAP· been C011'iderad necessary to make any PA : So marty foreign agencies are coming separate rules in tbis regard. The appoint ... forward to take up such projects in KarnaI ment is made keeping in ,view the experie- and Mangalore. Will the Government nce, standing at the Bar and other relevant \make some arrangements in regard to considerations. BeU ing financial assistance from foreign countries in order to get through these [Translation] projects at an early date ? Accordinl to the statement made by the hon. Minister, SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA: Mr. the Planning Commission is not lJ1"eeing Deput)' Speaker, Sir, you have been tc· to place the funds at the disposal of the ferrirg to the Standing CounseJs and Panel Ministry or to make some other financial Counsels all along, but, what arc the rea- . arrangements fOI eOmpleting such projects. sons for not framing rules in this reBard? tho fordiD countries are eominl forward When there are 'no rules, you k,ndly let ;to-4ako up the oU NIa.,,·projlO" 10 out me know' w_, tbe dlfilitioD of an Adv.. " Oral Answers catc is. The definition of an Advocate given lng Counsel. I cannot think of arty in tbe Advocates Act is as under :- Counsel who is not deserving to be appoi. nted as ,a Standing Counsel.

So far as Pane) Counsels are concern- "(a) Any p~rson admitt ed as advocate ed, this equally applies to them a Iso be. on the rol1 of the Bar Councils;'" cause tbey also are required to do tbe same type of job as that of the Standing "(b) 'Advocat e' means an advocate Counsel. entered in any ron under the pro- visions of this Acs;" They are also required to b= counseJs

of standingt reputation and integrity. All Any advocate who has just taken his these factors are taken into consideration deare e and has been enrolled by the Bar when appointments are made. I wou1d like Council becomes an advocate and then you to be informed if at all any such appoint. can appoint him as Standing Counselor on ments have been rna de of those who do the practising Pan el of Counsels. not deserve it. All these apprehensions of the hon. Member are totally unfounded. [Translation') SHRI MooL CHAND DAGA: How Does the hon. Minister have power to do you say unfounded? How do you appoint an advocate or does he seek the judge it 1 Do you consult the Chief jus- opinion of the Chief Justice of the High tice of the High Court or the Chief Justice Court 01 the Supreme Court in the regard of the Supreme Court before you appoint and if such an opinioo is not sought, the CounseJ? That is my suggestion. what are the reasons for tbat? When they How do yo u judge them? Th ey may be have a panel, do you choose from that practising for 10 years but they may not pane) or do you appoint a boy who has be good at the bar. A lawyer may have a just received the deasrce or who is known practice of 5 years ouly but be can by his to Borne Minister ? brilliance give a good performance. How do you jt1uge them 1 Why are rul es not Do you approach the Suprem e Court, framed? or High Court for Standing Counselor Panel Counsels? Also, pi ease tell me the THE MINISTER OF LAW AND basis of appointment under whkh Standing JUSTICE (SHRI A.K. SEN): We make Counsels or Panel Counsels have been inquiri es from all sources-not confined appointed. Has the criterion of seJection particularly to the Chief Justice or Judges been finalized in consultatioIl with the and I think the Government should be ChL:f Justice of the High Court or the left free to choose its own source of inqui. Supreme Court or not and if not, what ry. are the reaSons for that ? [Translation] [English] SHRI MooL CHAND DAGA: HdW did you determine that the counsels who SHRI H.R. BHARADWAJ: 'the Ad· have been appointed now as Standing vocates Act defines who is an advocate. Counsels or Panel Counsels in the Supreme There is no anoma ly about it. But when Court and the Delhi High Court are com- the question of appointing a Standing petent counsels and what are the names Counsel comes, it is not merely that he of the authorities who Judged their cOlllpe- should be an advocate and only then he tence ? can be appointed. The convention has been-and that bas been followed over the (English] years and we have seen in the rccords-·· that only the meritorious advocates who SHRI H.R. BHARADWAJ: I would have some standing at the bar and who )ike to inform my friend that we have have been spoken of well by the judaes in panel counsela and· senior panel ..couDlll,. rae court, arc onJ)' appointed as ~tand· A IOQior oouDsel or a senior advocate t. VAtSAKHA 1·0, 1'90? (SAKA.) brai Answe!"s 1/)

des'ignated by the full court. Whenever a Court Judges and select fro.rn those 'counsel's case is there before' the court, panels 1 whotber he or she should be designated as a senipr counsel. the whole court goes in- SHRI H.R. BHARADWAJ; It is weJl- to it and decides that so and so should be known tha t under Sec. 24 of the Crim inal enrolled as a senior counse1. So all Coun- Pocedure Code I cannot appoint a Public sels who have been put on the senior panel Prosecutor. He has to be of 7 years aDd, they have been designated as Senior Coun- above standing and the court has to re- sel by the Supreme Court and the High commend his name-the High Court and Courts as the' case m'ay be. So their the District Court. But the Union of competence and integrity and everything India does not appoint pubHc prosecutors. IS judged by the court itself and we take lhey are being appointed by the State only thole counsels who arc senior COUll- governments themselves. So far as tbe sels. Junior Coun~eJs are bound to be Union of Indja counsels are c,}Ocerned wi th over 5 to' years practice and h30 v- they are known as government pleaders or ing a substantial standing at the bar. At standing counsels. They are more or ) cSS that level no counsel has been appointed for civil works. Hardly any erim inal who doe~ not come within the conventional case is being defended by them. We arc qualification:; of Senior Cl.)unsel or Junior trying to put one standing counsel who Counsel. has experience of writ and appellate casetJ and one counsel additional who knows In the Delhi High Court we have aho crimjnaJ laws. 1hree standing counsels function in,. All of them are of over 15 years of practice, (Translatio,,] ha'ling exclusively practised in the High Court itself and the Judges speak v(;ry SHRIMAT( PRABHAWATI GUPTA: highly of them. I do not know where- Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to' know from the hone Member has got this impres- from the hon. Minister whether it is a sion. fact that in spite of all the requisite qua .. lifications and experience. female advocat" SHRI SHANT ARAM NAIK : in your are ignored. Will the hone Minister issue reply you have stated: HThe appoint- directions to the effect that appointment ment is made keepmg in view the experie- of female advocates may also be made if nce, standing at the bar and other "rele- they have the requisite qualifications and vant considerations. n experience and they should not be igDored in this matter? I also want to know the Now you are alr~Ltdy considering the number of female advocates appointed on experience. You are a)6o considering the such Panels during the last two to three standing at the bar. Then what are these years1 'oJher relevant considerations' '? SHRI H.R. BHARADW AJ: I am SHRI HIR. BHARADWAJ: I would glad that a question has been asked about like to confide in you. This is when we women. Of the appointments we have made receive communications from the hone recently, SO per cent are women. Member of ParI iament • [EnglishJ SHRI K. RAMACHANDRA REDDY: An advocate who is dealing in writs, jf SHI.U KOLANDAIVELU: There are he is appointed as Public Prosecutor, I senior counsels t'hose who are practising don't thinkhe will do justice. Supposing law in Supreme Court :lnd also in Hilb an advocate who is practising on the civil ,Court. They are getting load omoJu· side is appointed .as Government pleader ments-lakh'i and lakhs of rupees per on the criminal side or the writs, he may month. If the Government selects a a.ior not be doing justice. So do you take into counsel as a standing counsel aDo,.', '. consideration the .particular field in which not accepting the invitation or ofJ'cf ..4¢ l:lo has specia1is.,cl. Tho,:" do you as~ . for a by the Government. tbcn, is th,.,.. ,_, paDol from· the Hilb Court or tho Supremo mandator)' provisioll in tbe AdVoo.,,' .~ or Cr PC compelling the persons who are are processed in the Ministry and whenevor being selected by the Government that there is any defect or error we go in for they have to accept the offer made by the apPcIlI, There is no Question of a counsel Government. being held responsible for losing t\ case. It is the judgement of the court. SHRI A.K. SEN: There is no such provision and I would not like to be de .. Oil Exploration in India by Soviet Union fended by an~ coun~el who will have to be forced into the job. *654. SHRI RAM PRAKASH: SHRI K. KUNJAMBU; WiJ] SHRT SOMNATH RATH: Will the the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased Minister consider that just like sele:ting to state: public prosecutors in the St;'lte~ th e n atne4ii of panels may be recommended by some (a) whether Government arc consider. authority, ing to give an on·shore/off-shore area for oil explora lion to SO\ iet Un ion; and SHRI H.R. BHAR.\OWAJ: We have ~ubimtted already that we take into con- (b) if so, the details thereof '! fidence the judges and other people W~10 are concerned with the knowledge of the THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE counse1s and no authority can be prescri- MfNISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI bed for judging the stdndard of the bar. NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA) : (a) and (b). In accordance with the Indo .. Soviet SRRI K. RAMA~fURTHY: Sir, about the Protocol signed in March, 1985 in New appointm.!nt of standing counsels and Delhi, the SOl/iet Organisations would be panel of standing counse Is I would like. given an area in an ide ntificd basin to to, know whether the hon. Minlf>t·~r in conduct intensive integrated explora. his Ministry is having any review over the tion. functioning, particularly how many decrees or· how many cases against Central Govern· Decisions regarding the area~ work ment we have lost. programme and time·frame are st ill to be taken. I am constrained to put forth that the provision of ex",ise duty over the matches DR. KRUPASINDHU RH01 : I want announced in the recent budget was con· to know from the Minister whether sejsmlc tested in the Madras High Court and an survey was conducted hy Soviet Union in injunction has been granted. A simi lar 1977 .. 78 in the oilfi~lds of our countr} and injunction wa5 also granted in 1983 for they have delineated the zone of Hydrocarb- the same provision. As a result of it we ons and we are going to achieve the goa) of are incurring huge losses. In these two self-sufficiency in the fie1d of production of -occasions the Standing Counsel never crude oil. r also want to know whether uttered even a single word agamst the Minister has taken up with the Soviet granting injunctions. So, I would like Union and signed contracts for production to know whether the Ministry has made ori~nted exploratory drilling and what is the any review over thJ functioning of the outcome of this before 1985. Secondly~ panel of standmg counsels. Sir, the MinisterhastoJd us that in 1985 the protocol was signed with th-e SHRI H.R. BHARADWAJ: These are Soviet Union for exploration of oil. The two completely diverse questions. We were Soviet Union is the sote pioneer of finding discussing about the appointment of Hydro·carbon areas ill our country. May Itanding counsels and panel counsels. With I know whether the Minister is aware of r.aard tp the arrears of revenue ~ase8 and tbe fact whether they have sianed the pro- otber ptndency we will require a separate tocol for exploration and seismic surveyor Dotice.. 11,It we have got a complete con- , production-oriented exploratory drHlinS. trol OYer the counsels who appear in the caalS.,.~n4 when the counsels appear and SHRI NAWAL KlSHOR.E. SHARMA; tfl. GOUrt iudiemODta "aro receivod the), It .. a f~t that coopOration in t1w h14 01 VAlSNK.HA 14, 190,'(SAU) oil exploration dutes back to 19S6 when him whether', the Soviets have alreudY ONOC ttarted extensive surveys for oil started their operation in the area. on the basis or the reCommendations made by Soviet geolOlists. Under the pre- SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA': sent aareemertt which has been arrived at The Soviets are carrying out many activi· with .the Soviet Deputy Minister who visi. ties in West Bengal. One such activity ted India in the last week of March, has already been undertaken. One Soviet 1985, this QUe5'tton of enlarging the scope contract party is engaged in carrying out of cooperation between India and USSR specific survey in Ranaghat, JaboJi and was discussed. The two sides aareed to a Krishna Nagar areas in West Beasal. new approach for having intensive and in- The party has already started survey work tegrated exploration which could lead to on 9.5.1983. Anotber Ir.do·Sov ict party early development of hydro carbons in is en, aged in carrying out seismic survey certain defined areas in some basins. in Diamond Harbour in West Bengal. So~ Under this approach the Soviet Organisa- the party aJready started the work on tions would conduct exploratory operations 14.12.1982. These Soviet Jnterpretation lik e geo·physica I surveys, data pr ocebsin8 groups are s~ationed in Calcutta. These· and interpretation, e1Cploratory drilling (froupS are engaged in re-interpretation and in case of discovery drilling of step· of the data pertaining to the areas. Thii out wells, to establish the potential of is with regard to West Bengal. the field. fhe responsibility for production from the field wou1d be that of the ONGC. SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY: With regard to the cooperation which What about Orissa? The hOll. Minister has been there, there are many areaS in may Jay the list of areas on the Table of which thIs cooperation is operating. If the House. you permit me, I can read thiS list, but it MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : We will is a long list. ask him to lay it 011 the Tab]e of the DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI: Sir, be- House. fore 1985, was there any contractual ob- SHRI DIGVIJAY SINH: Sir, about ligation of the Government of India witb five years ago, there was an intensive the Soviet Union for production-oriented survey of the Saura~htra High.. There exploratory drilling? 1977-78, theyhave In has been a lull since then. I would like delineated tbe zone of formation of hydro-car- to know from the hon. Minister whether bons and old formations. Both off-shore and there is any protocol-signed for trlking up on-shore, which will lead to our goal of survey work in Saurashtra area. attaining sel f·sufficiency. 1 want to know whether the Minister is aware of the fact SHRI NA WAL KISHORE SHARMA: as, to how many contracts have been signed With regard to the Saurashtra area, the for product ion ori eDt ed exploratory drilling area to be shen to the Soviets for sUNey with the Soviet Union before 1985. work is still under the stage of discu,lion and nothing is known as to what area will SHRI NAWAL KlSHORE SHARMA: There was no contract as such and there be given to them. was no· promise of self-sufficiency made by the Soviet Union. l Translation 1

SHRI PRIY A RANJAN nAS MUNSI : S.T.D. Servlet between Delhi aad Sir, since the hon. Minister has stated that Klaajuraho (Madhya Pradesh) there is a long 1ist of areas identified for 'exploration programme, 1 do not want to "'6SS. SHRIMATI VIDYAWATI CRA... TURVEDI: Will the MiDister of C0- lnsil.t on him to spell out the whole areas. MMUNICATIONS be pI eased t~ state : I would only like to know from him whe- ther the West Benlal State is also includ· (a) wbether In the absence of 8.T.D. ed in the list for exploration programme service with Delhi (orei,D toudst parties by tb,t, Soviet expert 8 in the Bay of BeDlal vilidDl Khajuraho (Madhya Pradoab), which ~in:' I, 'would also lik. to know from i 5 Oral AlUwer, e'.paa '0. 1985 il'. famous Tourist Centre, have to face condly, sometimes such pituation. 8110 areat inconvenience as the information al:ose where the forliln guests reached thor,e, about their arrival there is not received but our officers c;ould not reach !herc as in .time; th.ey did Dot get information about them in time. As the hon. Minister has just (b) whether attention of Union Gov .. now told U<.l they propose to set up a omment has been drawn throu~h repeated microwave Hne from Delhi to Sagar, and written requests on behalf of the local from Sagar to Chhatarpur and the circuit, tourist asenci es, hotels and the district wilJ be on open wire, I want to know administration for providing this faciI i. from the hone Minister when the proposal ty; and for a microwave line, from Sagar to Chhatarpur was made and whether your (c) if so, the steps being taken by proposal now to keep an open line up to Government in this regard? Sagar will not create inconvenience?

[Engli.vh] I want to ten you that if you want to I ink ehha ta rpur, you wi II not be able to THE MINJSTER OF STATE OF THE connect Chhatarpur with Delhi through MIN1STRY OF COMMUNICATIONS this microwave line, because a lot of (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) difficulty is experienced between Chhatur- The trunk calls between Khajuraho and pur and Sngar. This circuit extends from Delhi are subject to delay. Khajuraho i~ Sagar to Chhatarpur and from there up to a manual exchange and there is no propo .. Khajuraho and som ct imes.. it so happens. sal for a STf> service between Delhi and that the information does not reach in Khajuraho. time 8S a result of wh ich our big tourist parties and other big people are put to (b) No, Sir. jnconvenience. •

(c) At present the trunk caBs are rout- SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: It is ed via Chhatarpur, Satna and Jabal pur, a fact that Khajuraho is a WorJd famous a distance of about 4S 0 Kms, all on open tourist spot and it has its own cultural impor- wire. Between Jabalpur and Ddhi there tance, keeping these things in view, the sch. is a microw::wc syst em. To improve the eme to introduce telephone service between trunk services between New Delhi and Delhi an~ Chhatarpur and the suggesti9D Khujuraho, a direct manual circuit will which I have just given and which we be provided between New Delhi and int end to implement by March. 1986, Chhatafput. wherein the section from Delhi will remove the present inconvenience to a t(l Sagar will be on Microwave medium great extent. I think, if we deviate from ".nd only about 100 Kms. portion of the our present programme, it wi]) result in circuit will be on open wire. The transit delay in this work and the work which we point will also be reduced only to one at have now taken up wi!) be able to "largely Cbhatarpur. This re-engineering is expe- meet the demand of the hon. Member. cted to be carried out by March end 1986. SHRIMATI VIDYAWATI CHATURVEDI : {Translation] Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have just now asked in m) question that initially tho SHRIMATI VIDYAWATI CHATUR- proposal waS to provide microwave line VEOI : Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, Through upto Sagar and Chhatarpur and a cut bas you, I want to draw the attention of the hone been effected for tbe lint between Salar Minister to the World famous tourist and Chhatarpur for which you have pro- contre Khajuraho, which is visit ed by posed to Jay an open 1ine. I want to know foreign and Indian tourists in thousands the reasons for that? Mr. Deputy Spea- in . big I1'0Ups. What happens is that these ker, Sir, I am a Member of Parliament . tourists reach ther e but the loca t tourist since 1966. No telephone trunk call for aaeacies do not get information .to this Chhatarpur has materialized till today e1fe-ct in time, as a result of which, the without the intervention of a Mioistcr. touris:s are put to inconvenience. Sc· Can the link which you have providod tor , I V AISA'KHA 10, 1901' (SAKA) Oral A.hJ'Wtrs 18' tr- calls from JabaJpur,' Sa~r or'Satna SHItI R.AM NIW AS MJRDHA : Before we Dot be chanled into a direct link between connect all district headquarters with STD. Delhi and Chhatarpur for the convenience of they should at least have the automaticexch- tbe public? anges. I can conf ess that not many of them have even automatic exchanges.s SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: of to-day. Our 7th Plan envisages that Sir. it i.; true that at present trunk service we win gradually put all the district head- between De)h i and Chhatarpur or Delhi quarters with automatic exchanges, after and Kbajurabo is not that efficient. Even which as and when the traffic warrants, urgent calls take four hours to materialize, STD would be provided. what to speak of the ordinary calls. I do Dot know, how much times they take. [Translation]

(Interruptions) SHRI DILBEP SINOH BHURIA: Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, you know, SHRIMATI VIDYAWATI CHATUR- Madhya Pradesh is the largest State of VEDI: Sir, even the lightning calls -d 0 India. The means of communications not materialize for as many ,as 2 days. are in a very bad shap~ in this State. No have been installed at the tourist SHRI RAM NIW AS MIRDHA: p.e.os centres of the Stute, like Khajuraho. I have myself admitted that the service are There arc mnny citi :!s. like RaHam not satisfactory, but I can assure you where automatic tel cphonc exchanges that the arrangements made by LlS and which should be installed. I want to know tbe we are implementing will result in the number of cities in which you :~re going service to a great extent. to provide automatic exchanges and the number of cities which are proposed to be [English) linked through S T.D. or microwa~e . dur- SHRI C.P. THAKUR: I would like ing the Seventh Plan. to know whether there is a proposal to SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA! Sir, link places of mternational tourist impor- this is a very importnnt question. If the tannce with the srn system. There are hon. Member gives notice, I shall cer .. three places in Bihar-Nalanda, Oaya tainly reply to that. and Rajair, which are to be connected with STD. I feel that it should be a [English] national policy. SHRI PRATAP BHANU SHARMA: SHRI RAM NIW AS MIRDHA: It I would like to know from the hone Mini- is certainly our endeavour to connect ster whether it is a fact that a few nt'.\\' places which are interdationaJly' known, microwave link projects are being delay. from the toarists' point of view or other- ed due to the defective equipmeots suppJied wise and this is exactly what we are doing by the Indian Telephone Industries, e.g. in case of Khajuraho, which is otherwise Vidhisha-Bhopal and Indorc-Dewas micro- a very sma]) and isolated place. But for wave link projects are known to me. They the tourist interest ,we would not have direct- are delayed due to the defective equip. ed all our attention to it. And tbe scheme ments supplied by the Indian Telephone applies to Nalanda and other places Industries. I would Hke to know what which be ment ioned. effective steps are being taken to commi- ssion these dclayed projects immediately. SHRI S.M. OURADDI: As stated by the Minister that the tourist centres SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA : It is are to be connected with the STD. Then true that the supplies from Indian TeJephone I would like to know whether the Govern- Industries with respect to certain types of ment 14 thinkina of auto-exChanaes for the equipment are getting delayed. I would district headquarters first. They also not say that thete projects have been de- hive to be connected with ,this STD ser- layed because of defective microwave in. v~c ,at 1.lt in tbe Seventb five Voar struments supplied by Indian Tol ephooo PI... Indultrie.~ Bot· there is a lal in the supply,' 19 Oral 14II.. /W"8 APRIL ~O t 198.5 and some targets have not been able to remained unfilled. The number Qf '_I, be. achieved. We are trying to improve ea~mark~d for the~ is, therefore. adequate. ~he working of the ITI with res· pect to this, viz. to see that timely 2. There is no direct recruitment to the supply of equipment is made. I am sure Junior Commissioned Officers' cadre. that with our new thrust in this djr~ction, Recruitment is made to the Other R.anks t,hese rroj eets will be comp) eted soon. through the 68 Recruiting Offices function- ing throughout the country. In this recruit. ment, the fol1owi~'g weightage is given to UniVCl'sity Recruiting Centres for 0111· National Cadet Corps certificate holders :;__ c.·er~ and Non-Commissioned Offtcers (a) NCC 'A' Certificate holders .... *656. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS S marks. MUNSI : Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state: (b) NCC 'B' Certilicate holders ...• 10 marks. (a) whether his Ministry has a propo- sal for setting up recruiting centres for (c) NCe 'c' Certificate holders •... ' officers ~nd non-commissioned officers 15 marks. in each Univrrsity providing priority to successful cadets of National Cadet 3. Tile minImum qualifications arc Corps~ Matrie for the malric-entry stream and fifth standard (or the normal entry stream. (b) if so~ the time by which such centres will be started; and 4. In v jew of adequate facil ities being availabl e for the successful c3det~ of the (c) if not, the reasons therefor ? National Cadet Corps, it is Hot considered necessary to Fet up recruiting centres for THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE: Officers and other ranks in unjversities. (STIRI P.V. NARASIMHA RAO); (a) to (c): A statement is laid on the table of SlIRI PRIY A RANJAN DAS MUNSI the House. In the statement, the hon. Minis1er has stated that there are 68 recruit ing centres Statement for the Army, and sp ~ciaJly the officers, i. e. the commissioned officers go through The Officer cadre to the AJmed Forces the Union Public Service Commifsion, is recruited through the Examilla t ions con- and the Services Selection Board. The ducted by the Union Puhlic Service Com- National Cadet 'Corps's concept was a mission and screening by the S~ryices little bit diluted afte·r the Mahajan Commi- Selection Boards. Since the Indian Army ssion's report; nevcrthe1c~s, it is still is a voluntary force, no compulsory quota providing the strength and inspiration to hRS been fixed in recruitment for any cate- a number of young men in varfuus llniver· gory of clas~) or people. For the National sHies. The University Recruiting Centres Cadet Corps 'C' Certificate holders who are there for the commissioned officers, qualify in the Union Public Service Com- Le. for directly screening them, specially mission Examination and the Servjc*"s for 'C) Certificate-holders. As th e Minister Selection Boards, 32 seats per Course (out is aware, Certificate 'CJ examination is a of the total seats of 150) in the Indian very tough examination in the examination Military Academy, 6 seats in the Naval days, and a11 the heavy equipments are Academy and 10 per cent of vacancies in handled by the cadets-just as for, the Ser- the Ail' Force Academy have been ear- vices Selection Board. So, regarding th~. marked. Till January 198 S, all the youngsters who obtain Certificate 'C', I National Cadet Corps 'C' Certificate ho)· find from the statement that only 32 out derS who qualified in the Union Public of the 150 get islto the Indian Military Service Commission examination and the Academy. Will the Minister consider, Services S~lection Board.s have been all· therefore, increasina the strcngtti or Cer- Borbed in the Indian Military Academy. tificate 'e' hold.trS for direct .ntry into In~eed. vacancies earmarked for tbem b3ve tbe Indian Mili tary Acad emy. and' p~~~i.. Oral, Answers' 22

dinl the centres in the University it~elf~ may have to bring about.' So, Jet 'us wait to create a sense of belonging to the Army, and see how it works. right from the studentship ill univer~ities. SHRI PIYUS TIRAKY: hi there any SIm I V.P. NARASIMHA RAO : The state- proposal to have a Beng(tli flgimcnt, ment very clearly states that at present the Tamilnadu regiment and !'uch oH.cr regi* pattern is that the officers cadre in the arm- ments which still h"ve liot formed on ed forces is recruited through 'examinations th,e Iine of Bihar Regimcr,t, Sikh Regi- conduct ed by the urse and scre:ned by ment, Dogra Regirn cnt which follow Slate Services Selection BOlrd. What the hon. name and perhaps somet ;l1les the caste member in effect wants me to do is to by. name? pass this and have a direct recruitment for 'C' Certificate Holders so that they SHRI P.V. NARASIMHA RAO: 1 could be straightway scnt to the Academy. have to conc Iud ~ that he wants NCe to Now, this is something which involves a be regimented according to the Sla!es. departure from the pre~ent practice; and This is a que,tlOn in re!!ard to NeC, not so far as increasing of seats is concerned, the army reg iments. that m:ty not be a problem; but, as the statement clearly 3tatcs the vacancies SHRI PIYUS TIRAKY : Arc you ready earmarked for them have not be.m filled; to begin from h~rc a Iso? they have remained unfillcd at the moment. So, while it m~y not be very difficult to SHRI P.V. NARASIMHA RAO: I have increase the seJts, let us see whether already answered a question cat c~or ically seatl) already allotted can be filled in the in this House that no such new n~gimtnts coming years. Sa, a departure which in on thosc lines will bc created. Now, if effect he is suggesting, I am not in a posi- the hone member wants liS to start from tion to - commit anything; at the most, Nee, again the answer will be in· tll~ after I get a report from the Director- negative. General which I have promised to thp. House during the d(.~bate, we sha II go in. SHRI AJAY MUSHRAN: About 35 to that. But. I think it may not be a years ago, a system of entry for officers good idea to bypass upse and the Services through Nee was if a cadet hld graduat cd Selection Boards. As J said. we will look and pac:.sed part 'c' examination, he only' mto that. But this is my first react ion. faced a Sc:vices Select ion Boards inter- view; and after the interview, he did one SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI : year training at the Indian Military' Aca- Is he aware that-I do not know whether demy after which if found fit, he was given it is still there-from the successful cadets a commissiOJI. I am one of those products. of the Nee in colleges universities, a He has got a very good number of Nee large number of them \\-ere taken into a Cadets. Every course of ont! year duration training of OTU; and if theY qual ified in used to have about 50-80 cadets directly that examination and training, they were co,lling through this pro~edure. If' this diredly taken into tbe Services Selection procedure was followed 35 ~ears ago, Boards. [happened to be invol ved in this when we got good officer material,, it should course; that is why I know the details of be there today also. So, the que~tion of '.it. Will the Minister once again consider not being able to follow this system ~Igajn to bring that course so that successful should not be there. I fee 1 that there cadets directly go to the OTU training should be no difficulty. Would thc hon. and from there th ey go to the army as Defence ~finister be pleased to H~surc us Commtssion ed Officers? that the system which once existed can be made to exist and revived? ~HRI P.~. NARASIMHA RAO: As I said, it essentially involves a departure SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO: Tbis from the present patte'm and a bypassing is too much of a commitment to ~ay that of the UPSC. "I ke ep my mind open, but what was followed 35 years agu is tttill l catm'ot . make f;L CC)mmltment• This wilJ valid today. As I said, I am prepared to ~ on so' many othet' c~ -whiob" '" bavo a soooadlook a.t· it. Let the [cport, l~ Or~d Answers from tbe Director General come. There (d) Yes, Sir. was a syst em, which waschanaed. Now the system is through the (e) In view or (d) above, does not UPSC. It is not so lightly that I can arise. say that I am going to dispense with the system. [ Translation]

MK. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Shri Ba .. PROF. NIRMALA SHAKTAWAT : lasaheb Vikhc Patil. The hon. Member The hone ~linister has himself admitted is absent. that Chittorgarh is important from the tourism point. But, it is very backward so PROF. Nirmala Kumari Shaktawat. far as t elecommunicatiolls are concenred. The building is reaijy (here for the Jast ( Tralls/ation] one year, but the work has not yet started as the equ ipments have not been Linking of Cbittorgarb with Delhi aod provided. As state by the hon. Minister, Jaipur by S.T.D. two equipments are not yet there. Simi- larly, many other equipments such as 658. PROF. NfRMALA KUMARI * battery ,harges, meter rack, master clock, SHAKTAWAT : Will the Minister of etc. have also not been made available COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to there. I would like to know the time state : by which all these equipments will reach there. (a) whether a new building hal) been constructed in Chittorgarh, Rajasl han for bringing about improvements in telecommu- SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: I have already stated (hat in view of the nication syst em there; importance of Chittortlarh. we want that (b) the time b}' which necessary equip- the (,.ommunication services should be ments will reach there to ensure smooth improved there. Therefore, we are trying functioning of telecommunication system; to accelerate the spe(d of on-going projects there and 1 am confid ~nt that the on-going (c) the details of the other equipments scheme will start functioning fully by the required for this purpose ; end of this year.

(d) whether keeping in view the im- PROF. NIRMALA KUMAR} SHAKTA· portance of Chittorgarh from tourism point WAT: The hon. Min 1st er has r epli ed to of view, Government propose to link this part (d) of my question in the affirmative town with Jaipur and Delhi by S.T.D.; and said th1t he is going to link Chittor· and garh with DeJhi and Jaipuf throu,h S.T.D. I want to cODl1'atuJate him for that. I (e) if, not, the reasons therefor? would like to know the time by which this work would be completed. [English] SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: We THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE propose to link Chittorgarh with Trunk MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS Automatio Exchange of J8 ipur during the (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) Yes, Seventh Five Year Plan. Thereafter, all Sir. pJaces like Udaipur, Delhi and Jafpur will be linked with Chittorgarh through S.T.D. (b) An automat ic exchange of MAX·JI We shall endeavour to do it durin. the type is under installation and is expected to Seventh Five Year Plan. be completed by the cnd of this year. SHRI BALKA VI BAIRAGJ: Just as (0) Important equipment I ike switches hone Minister bas replied to the question and relay set) is still awaited and are ex- about Chittorgarh, he has sRid in reply to a PeCted to be supplied during the current question that lhe distri,t headquarter, 1ear. which have automatic Ixchlo,ea w~~,14 , .' ' . ", be dir·ect Iy linked with, Delhi. I want to THE MINISTER OF CHEM1CALS know the time by which you will link the AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTR.Y district headqua,ters baving . automatic AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI exchanges direcf with Delhi through VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) A statement S.T.D. is attached. SHRI RAM NIW MIltDHA: What AS (b) : No such proposal is under consi- I had said was that many of the disttict deration of Central Government at pre- headquarters did not have automatic sent. exchanges yet. Therefole, there is no question of their conversion into S.T.D. (c) and (d): Recommendations for Durina the Seventh Plan, first of all, they setting up of·various paper projects have will be converted from manual exchanges been received from the State Government to automatie exchanges. Thereafter, de- from time to time. Apart from the paper 'Pending on the local traffic and the im- mUls already in exist ence in Orissa at tbe portance of the place, further work will start of the VIth Plan, four paper mills be taken up. have been ~et up in the State during the SHRf GIRDHARI I AL VYAS: plan period. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir Bhilwara has it" automatic ex'change and it is an important Statement city also. Will the hOD. Minister link it with Delhi and Jaipur through S.T.D. this List Showing the names 0/ Places In year '1 Various States where Paper Plants have been set up During the Sixth Five Year Plan SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: Period. Bhilwara is a very important place. In view of this. a new Telephone Exchange ANDHRA PRADESH building is teing constructed there and it will be inaugurated soon. S. No. Locat,'on [En,lish]

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Question 1. Bhadrachalam hoar is over. 2. Kurnool 3. Bamuluri WRr1iEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIQNS 4. Mandapeta Distt : East Godavri [Engllsld 5. Muthaftgi Paper Plants In Orissa ViII : Sanllareddy Ta luk *650. SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK: MEDAK Distt. Will the Minister OF INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: 6. Nenore (a) the pJaces in various States where paper plants have been set up during the Sixth 7. Near Guindy Five Year Plan period; Water Works (b) whether Government propose to Guddapah establish any paper plant in Orissa; 8. Pattan cheru (c) whether the State Government 0 Distt : Medak. Orissa has approached Union 'Government for settina up more paper plants in tbat 9. Srilcak'llam State; and 10. Khammam Cd) if so, tbe ~tiOD taken in this rl- ,Irel Y 11. Dian ~ Mi._bact. " 'i; Wrltifn Answ,s ' A~RiL 3e, t;' 5 Wrltlt" Artswer, '2.'

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12. Bagha 32. Deruhera P.O. Narainpuf District : Mohindergath ' District: Chnmparan 33. Faridabad 13. P.O. Garhbanai Ii . Purnca 34. Sirsa 14. P.O. Tilrathi 35. Deruhera, Distrkt ; Mohinde- Baruani Ind. Area rgarh. Distt. Begasarai (Bihar) 36. Panipat CHANDIGARH 37. Daruhera 1S. Challdigal'h District; Mohindergarh.

GUJARAT HIMACHAL PRADESH 16. Nioet 38. BarotiwaJa DisH: Solan 17. Gangadhara District: Surat 39. Kala-Amb. 18. Ankleshwar 40. Kala-Amh.

J9. Laskana 41. Barot,wa]a Distt : Surat District : Solan 20. Vapi 42. Barotiwala Di.,trict : Valsad District : Solan

21. Vapi 43. Nalagarh District : VaJsad District: Solan (HP) 22. Kalol 44. ViI]. & P.O. Barotiwala District: Panchmahal Distt : Solan (HP)

23. Rajeda Near Balva 45. Laljl, Barotiwala District: Ahmedabad DisH: Solan (HP) . 24 . Vapi-396195 46. P.O. Kala-Amb. District: Sirrour (HP)' 25. Ankleshwar District: . Broach Thandevapura 26. Udhna 47. Nanjangud, M)sore. Dlstt : Surat 48. Taluk 27. Distt : Bharuch 49. MandJi Village 28. District : Bulsar SO • Villaae 29. .vapi Kolltgal Taluk District: Valsad Mysore Distt : (Karoataka)

30. GIOC ludI. Estate MAHAIlASHTR. 0\ Distt : Valsad ,1. Taluk : Khandta 31. Valsala Di~tt : Sa tara Near Hola Rly. Station MabarashtTa Dis. :Baroda 2' W,ttttt,,I ,I', An"'rl VAJSAKHA:, 1'0, 1'0,7 (SAKA) Wrltt,,, AII6Wff'lJ ~(\ 52. Villa&e Chanaera 74. Nan,b Dietl: Bandora, Amritsar Mabarashtra 75. Village : Malikpur Ahmedgarh '3~ Ma)ur Road. Distt : Sangrur Near MSBB Sub St. Worara, 76. Post Blnah, Distt : Chandra pur Hosbiarpur

S4. VBL Manegaon & Takli, '77. Bhatian, Teh. Savner, Distt : NalPur Ludhiana Distt : Kolapur 78. Rajpuru) 5'. Varananagar (Maharasbtra) Patiala

56. Sihara Kanha'n 79., Bhatinda D1St t ~ Nagpur 80. Sangrama Sahib. 57. Nagl'ur Teran Taran Road, Amritsar 58. Via Bhusawal Jalgaon (Maharasbtra) 81. Teh : Batla, District: Gurdaspur '9. District : Oodichiroli (Maharashtra) 82. Kotkepura, Punjab t 60. District: Kolbapur 83. Distt : Ropar, Punjab (Mahara~htJa) 84. Muk(sar, Malout Road, 61. Jalagaon (Maharashtra) VilJ : Rupna Ncar Chand Dhan MADRY A PRADESH RAJASTHAN 62. Banmore District: Merena 85, Delhi-Alwar Road, DisH: A]war 63. Jatarpur Vidisha 86. Derula, AJwar, Rajasthan 64. Vidisha (MP) 87. Ounjol 65. Village ,: Dhemka Teh : Mathdwara 66. lnduslrial Estate, District : Uda ipur Vidisha (MP) 88, Rupaneli (BhiJwara) 67. Distt ! Bilaspur (MP) 89. Distt : Alwar NAG ALAND 90. vm : Raghunafhpui 68. Tuli Mokakcbung &.S. Talera Distt : Bundi, OR.lS~A Rajasthan )baria, Distt: Mayurbhanj 69. TAMIL NADU 70. Balagopalpur, DfMt : Batasore 91. Pungar VilJ :

71. Joyporo t Distt : Koraput Bhavanjnaaar 72. Jagatpur, Distt : Cuttack ~2. Mayuram P.O. Needur PUNJAB Distt : Thanjavur " 1~, Akron, 93. PuUao' Vfdutbf·622304 H( sbiarpur AJao8udi TaJut ' 31 W,IIt'1l Answ" .. APlIL lO, 198$

TirunclveJi 120. . Naida Vilampatti P.o. Ohaziabad Via Nillapotar 121. Disrrict : Fa;zabad Madurai Distt. 122. Nanuta Dis(t. 96. Thanjavur Di'tt. 123. ViU. & P.O. Makhiyal" 97. Distt : Ramanathapuram Bhopa Road, 98. Vadakuthu, Pnnruti Taluk, Muz3ffarnagar District: South Aloet. 99. PO Pollachi 124, VillI Bhain~a (Coimbatore) 22, K.M. on Meerut Road Mawana (Meerut) UTTAR PRADESH 125. Plot No. 4/1 Industrial 100. Muzaffarnaaar Estate-2, Faizabad (U.P.) 101. GhaZlabad 126. 38/2 Site No.4, Sahibabad Iudl. 3,000 Estate, Dhampur 102. Sahibabad (U .P.) 103. Chithera (Dadri) District: Ghaziabad 127. P.o. Lalkua, Distt,: Nainital 20\000 104. Ohaziabad U.P. 262-402. IO!. Sahibabad WEST BENGAL 106. Muzaffarnagar 128. South Chanmari 107. Rampur P.O. Kalyani Distt : Nadia 108. Sikrika]an 129. Chottoparuu Modinalar Rani Ganj 109. Sikandrabad ·130. Raninagar P.O. Bulandshahar Chakdah Distt : Nadia 110. Bara Pech 131. Shiwra.mnjar 111. VilL & P.O. Babri P.O. Manikpura Ml'zafflrnaaar Distt : Midnapur 112. Rai J)areilly West Bengal 113. Vii). Sikka 132. B))andar tikari, P.O. Shamli, P.O. Parbasthali. Mnzaft'arn·asar Distt : Burdwan, West Benlal. 114. ;Noida, District : Ghaziabad Growth Rate In EngJneerlol Industry 115. Aravali "651. SHRI B.V. DESAI: WiJl the Distt : Agra Minister of INDUSTitY AND COMPANY 116. Rai Bareilly AFFAIRS be pleased to state: 117. Modinaaar (a) whether it is a fact that the en,i. neerinl industry has recorded a 7.6 per 118. Kbalilabad- Ba$ti cent aro'Wth rate durin, the eiabt, UlOAtlll period from April.November. J 984 over 119. Sabibabad the correspondin. period. of tbe previoUI Gbaziabad )'Car: 33 Wrltt,,, ,4111""" . VAISAKHA 10, 1907', (SAKA.) Wrltltn Answers 34

(b) if so, whether a wide sec.uon of . (b) whether the plant is work,ing only the engineering industry has shown improv. for one shift with capacity utilisation' ed result. during this period but certain around 30 per cent ; sectors like road rollers; paper and pulp machinery have clocked oeaative arowth (c) if so, the reosons th ereror ;. ratea ; (d) whether the plant has the capacity (c) the main reasons for showing this to formulate medicines to meet the entire negative trend ; demand of the country and despite that the IDPL is getting formulations done (d) the steps beina taken by Govern. from private paTti es on Joan Jicensina : ment to increase production during 1985· 86 ; and (e) if 80, the reasons thereof; (e) the pro~rammes that are likely t'o (f) whether some of the most expen- be undertaken? sive machines imported for the plant are THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS yet to be insta)] ed ; and AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI (g) it' so, the reasons therefor? VEERENERA PATIL) : (a) According to THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS C.S.O. Index of Indu s~Tial Production, growth rate of the industries in th e Engi· AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY neering Sector was 7.3 per cent during AND COMPANY AFFAIRS {SHRI VEE. April-November 1984 over the corres- RENDRA PATIL : (a) A Statement is attached; ponding period of the previous year.

(b) Yes, Sir. (b) No, Sir; The plant is being run in two shifts excepting for inJectables. The (c) Shortage of power, raw material capacity utilisation is indicated in the & temporary imbalances in supply and statement referred to in reply to part (a) demand are some of the main factors above. responsible for deceleration in production in some of the idustries which showed (c) The main reasons for under-utili- nc,ative growth. sati~n of capacity are inadequate supply of power and labour prohl ems and demand (d) and (e) The Government bas been constra int. taking several Iteps to stimulate industrial production through appropriate changes in (d) and (e) : Plant does not have capa. industrial, licensinl & import policies as city to formulate the entire demand of the well as through monetary and fiscal mea- country. sures. Steps have also been taken to improve the infrastructural support. Indian D rugs and Pharmaceut icals Limited is resorting to loan licensing only Capacity Utlli.doD of Gtarllon Unit in exigencies such as : of Indian Drugs and Pharmaceuticals Limited (i\ Where the items were not in IDPL's range of production *6S2. SHR.I Y.S. MAHAJAN: Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND FER TI· (ii) Capacity constraint and tight LIZERS be pleased to'state : schedule of suppb.

(.) tbe iostalled capacity of the Gur- (f) No, Sir. pan p~t of Indian Druss aDd Ph arma- ~eudeali Lipqted ; <.) Docs ,not arise, 3' Wrltt'lt AMWf" APalL SO, 1M' .STATEMENT

Oriainal 1982·83 It83·14 1984 8' ' Installed ------Capacity Actutl1 %Capacity Actua 1 %Capacity Actual %Capacity Prodn. Utililation Pradn. Utilisation Prodn. UtiliaatieD

(i) Tablets Million 1141 544.27 48 600.5 53 449.8 43

(ii) Capsules " SO 15,.65 31 17.58 35 14.09 28

(iii) Syrup KL 600 230.20 38 217.68 36 194.33 32 (iv) Ampoule Million SO I 3.77 S 0.509 1 0.721 1 (v) Via1s 20 I 3.11 16 2.93 15 " (vi) Powder MT 145 103.16 71 127.44 33 99.70 26

(capacity raised to 390 MT in 1983·84

(vii) Ointment" 25 0.42 0.314 1

Setback in Telecommunication Projects THE'MINISTER OF STATE OF THE in 1985 .. 86 Due to Shortage of Funds MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : "657. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE PATIL : Will the Minister of COMMUNI- (a) Yes, Sir. CATIONS be pleased to state: (b) Work on expansion projects wilt (a) whether it is a fact that the tele- be slowed down. communication prolless in the country will suffer a severe setback as 54 per (c) There will be cuts in expansion cent of its demand for funds for 1985-86 schemes spread all over the country, has been cut down; '(d) The on·loing projects in Maba- (b) if so, how are the expansion pro· rashtra as in other States will receive jects going to be affected; prionty over new projects •.

(c) the areas in the country where the In,eation of new Drugs by Hlndultaa expansion schemes will have to be slowed Aatiblotics LJnrlte4, Pane down or not taken up ; and ... 659. SHRI VlJAY N. PATIL: (d) whether it is aoinl to affect the on- Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND soinl or new schemes in Mabarashtra ? FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: Written Answers' ~.

lwbethef recently some new drugl STATEMENT have been invented at the Hindustan Manual Exchanges in Orissa and the names Antibiotics Limited, Pune; 0 of stations 'having such exchanges (b) .if so, th e detai Is of these drugs and their annual production ~ and Name of Exchange Sta lion at which locared (c) the names of the diseases Ilainst which these drugs are effective? . Anandapur K,~onjhar THE OF CHEMICALS MINISTER Aska Ganjam AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY Athgarh Cuttack AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VEE· RENDRA PATIL) : (a) No, Sir. BaJasore Balasore Balugaon (b) and (c) Do not arise. Puri Barbil Keonjhar Converosion of l\fanual Telephone Exchanges Baripada Mayur I"to Auto Telephone Exchanges In Orissa BarapalJi Sambalpur *660. SHRI CHINT AMANI JENA: Bhanja Naaar Ganjam Will the Minister of COMMUNICAfIONS Birami trapur Sundergarh be pleased to state : Boudh PhuJbani (a) the number of manual exchanges Burla Sambalpur functioning in Orissa and the names of the cities which are having suchexchanges ; Chatrapur Ganjam

(b) the number of telephone exchanges Dhanmandal Cuttack in Orissa converted into auto exchanaes Dhenkenal Dhenkenal during the Sixth Five Year Plan; and Hirakud SambalpUf (c) the names of manual telephone exchanges likely to be converted into Jagatsingpur Cuttack auto 'exchanges during the Seventh Five Jaipur Road Cuttack Year Plan period? Jaipur Town Cuttack THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS Jatni Puri (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA : (a) There Jeypore Koraput are 4.5 manual exchanges functjoning in Orissa. The details are given in the Joda Keonjhar attached statement. Kantabha~Ji Bolangir (b) Pive telephone exchanges were Karanjia Mayurbhanj ~onverted into auto durinl the Sixth Five Kendra para Cuttack Year· Plan.' Keodupatna . Cuttack (c) The exchanges would be taken up Kesfnga Kalahandi ror 'automatisatron progressively jn the Keonjhar 7th Five Year Plan subject to availabiUt3 K.eonjhir of .quipmeet: &tid IUDctL Khariat 'Ro.. . KaJabaDcU Khurda Puri 34.5 million tonnes of cement by 1984-85, namel,. Koraput Koraput , . Lahunipari Sunderaarh (b) Production achieved during the terminal year of Sixth Five Year Plan Nayaaarh Puri was of the order of 30 miIJion tonnes of cement. Nowrangpur Koraput (c) The consumption of cement during P~dmpur Sambalpur the Sixth Five Year Plan was ,of the Paralakhemund i Ganjam following order: PhuJbani Phulbani (In million tonnes) .Rairangpur Mayurbhanj Ytar Consumption Rajgangpur Sundergarh 1980·81 20.53 Rlyagada Koraput 1981·82 22.65 Sambalpur Sambalpur 1982-83 24.84 Sundergarh Sundergarh 1983·84 29.71 Talcher Dhenkenal 1984-85 30.37 Tatlagarh Bolangir Vikrampur Dhenkenal (d) 50 (Fifty).

l\:laster Plan for Postal and Te)ecommu. Cement Production In Sixth Plan . n.catlon Network for HilI, Tribal and Backward Areas ·661. SHRIMATI JAY ANTI PATNAIK: SHRI SOMNATH RAT" : Will the *662. SHRJ GIRIDHAR GOMANGO : Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS AFFAIRS be pleased to state: be pleased to state:

(a) the target set for the production (a) whether his Ministry had issued of cement during the Sixth Plan; guidelines to the Postal and Telecommuni. cation Circles regarding the development (b) the actual achievement made :n .the of hill. tribal and backward areas of their production of cement during the Sixth Circles durinl the Sixth Plan period; Pan ; , (c) the details of total cement con- (b) if 80, the development made ,by the lumption during that period ; and Postal and Telecommunication Circles after the implementation of the policy and (d) . the number of new cement manu- before the extension of tbe policy ; facturing uni ts Set up in different States during the sa id period ? (c) whether these Circles have prepared a Master Plan of Postal and Telecommuni- cation network for hill, tribal and backward THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS areas and submitted the schbm,es to hi. AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY Ministry for Seventh Plan ; AND COMPANY AFFAIRS

Additional Telephone Exchanges at (b) No, Sir. Koregaon, Malad and Kandivalee. (c) : Does not arise. *664. SHRI ANOOPCHAND SHAH: Will the' Minister of COMMUNICATIONS Gas Found in Rajasthan be pleased to state: *666. SHRI VTRDH[ CHANDER JAIN: (a) whether Gov.ernment propose to Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be establish additional telephone exchanges. pleased to state : in Koregaon, Malad nnd KandivaJee as the people 1iving in these busy suburbs are (a> whether it is a fact that the Oil facing great difficulty due to only one and Natural Gas Commi~sion has found Telephone Exchange; llas in Ghotaru and Manhar Tibba of Jai- salmer district of Rajasthan; (b) the time by which these are propos- ed to be set up; and (b) if so, the total quantit'y of Gas and the mode of its Uf:e ; (c) if not, the reasons therefcr 1 (c) wheth:r the Commission has got THE MINISTER OF STATE. OF THE only one rig as a result of wnich the pro- MIN[STRY OF COMMUNICAT10NS gress of drilling work has b,en very slow; (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) Yes, Sir. Additional telephone exchanges have (d) whether the Commission proposes been planned at Goregaon (not Koregaon) to arrange for modern rigs to acce:erate a~,d Kandivalee which are now served from the speed of the work; and Malad Exchange. There is no scope for expansion of Malad Telephone Exchange. (e) if so, the time by wh ich rigs will be arranged ? (b) and (c) : It is expected that the new telephone exchanges at Gore&aon and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Kandivalce will be set up in 1989·90. MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA) : (a) Yes. Setting op of Chemicals and Fertilizers Sir. Factory in Karnataka (b) The totaJ recoverable reserves of ~ 665. SHRI V.S. KRISHNA IYER these two gas fields are estimated at about Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND S40 million cubic metres. The exploitation FBRTILIZERS be pleased to state: of these gas fields has nOl commenced 50 far. (a) the number of fertilizers and chemicals factories in public sector located (c) According to the scheduled drilling in Kamataka ; program'mc, one ria is working in RajuthaD at present.

(b) whether it is a fact that there is an (d) Ves, Sir~ urlent need, for setting up of a chemical's and ferdtners factory in public lector 'in (e) 3 ria' are planned to be deployed ~arlatak. • :aDd· ill 1986-87. vAlSAt<.HA 10, '1901 (SAKA) Wrltlln Answers 4~

'Gl'ewtb of ,Monopoly HOIse •. THE JdINISTBR OF CHB'MlCALS AND FERTIUZBRS AND INDUSIRY *'67. SHRI YASHWANT ·RAO AND COMPANY AFFAlRS (SHRI GADAKH PATJL : VEERENDRA PATIL) : (a) and (b) Yes, PROF. RAMKRISHNA MORE: Sir. Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (c) In the Import and Export Policy, 198.5-88, Government have banned the (a) is a fact that whether it Monopoly Import of formic acid by placiDI it in Houses hav. increased their assets from Appendix 2B. Government have also res- Rs. 66,14 crores to Rs. 11,284 crores tricted the import of formic acid under the during the last fe'w years; Replenishment Scheme (Appendix 17) (b) if so, the details thereof; and from 0.2' %of the value of exports of leather and Jeather goods to 0.09 %. (c) the steps being taken by Govern- ment to curb the expansion of Monopoly Turkey's Interest In Import of Scooters, Houses in the countty? Motor.Cycles

THE MINISTER OF CREMICALS 4764. SHRI ANANTA PRASAD AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY SETHI: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND CO"'fP A\ly AFFAIRS (SHRI VEER- AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased ENDRA PATIL) : (a) and (b) : The assets to state: of top 20 Monopoly Ho.ses In 1979 ranked by size of their assets in the year 1980 (a) whether it is a fact that Turke, has· were Rs. 6614.89 crores. Tt· c assets of evinced interest in the import of scooters, top 20 houses in 1982 ranked by size of motor-eyel es and collaboration in tbe auto-- a~sets in that 'year increased to Rs. 11,284.61 aDcillary sector ; and crores. (b) if so, the details regarding the agree- (.;) MRTP Act is not against growth ment, if any. arrived at in this regard? of large industrial houses per set The objective of the MRTP Act is not to totally THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE prevent the growth of the 'Monopo]y MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- Houses in the country but to regulate their PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHD. expansion and growth keeping in view the KHAN) : (a) and (b) : During the recent national, econom;c and industrial priorities meetjn~ of the Indo-Turkish Joint Commi. and to ensure that such growth does not ttee, the prospects of cooperation for esta- result in the concentration of economic blishment of manufacturing facilities for power to the common detriment. two wheelers in Turkey were recognised. It is e·xpected that a Turkish delegation Duty on Formic Acid may visit India for discussions with the Indian manufacturers. '"668. PROF. P. J. KURIEN : Will the Minister OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILI. ZBRS be pleased to state: Transfer Vouchers of L.P.G. Conoectioal

(a) whether the basic duty on formic 4765. SHRI ZAINAL ABEDlN = acid has been increased from 70 per cent SHRI MOTI LAL SINGH : to 1 00 per cent ; SHRI SANTOSH KUMAK SINGH (b) whether it ig a fact that there is a SHRI SIOHA LAL MURl4U fcry wide gap between imported and in. will the Ministor of PETROLEUM be diaenous. prices o~ formic acid; and pleased to state:

. (e) jf··sa, whether Government propose (a) whether variou.s deal erl of. the to review the import policy with a'view to Indian ail Corporation in Delbi/New ban' the import of fOrmic acid? D.lhi

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM: (SHRI MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA) NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA) : (a) Government has seen the news (a) Yes, Sir. report. (b) The details of Transfer Vouchers (b) and (c) The news report mentjoned, (TVs) received by the distributors in Delhii among other things, growth of unlicenced New Delhi during January-February, 198 S diese1-dumps, sale of adulterated HSD under :- are as and non-availabiJity of kerosene at the ration shops. lndane TVs Other Co. TVs The matter was taken up with the State Government. It has been reported January, 1985 4460 36 that District Magistrate, Gurgaon, inadver- tently issued "no objection certificate"" to February, 198 S 3586 33 some outlets to deal in diesel, and it was subsequently found that they were dealing There are 8 Indane distributors opera· in kerosene also. On the advice of the ting in the Trans-Yamuna area. The details State Government, the District Magistrate, of TVs received by them are as under ;- Gurgaon, has cancelled the "no objection certificate" of these retail outlets, who Indalle TVs Other Co. were the source of adulteration'. The Distt. TVs authorities have also initiated criminal proceedings against the retailers who were January, 1985 475 141 found stonng HSD in bulk without a licence in the pr escribed form. February, 1985 400 44 Delhi Telephones Area Managers (c). to (e) In' terms of the policy cur- rently in vogue, LPG distributors are 4767. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MAN· requiJ.d to release gas connections against DAL : Will the Minister of COMMUNI. sUch 'TVs by collecting the security deposit CATIONS be pleased to state : at the rate indicated in the TVs. As and when the TV is presented to a distributor, (a) whether any assessment has been he releases the connection to the consu- made from. the point. of view of: subscri- mer at\d seeks confirmation from the origi. bers' day-to-day dealinas. with ~he T$· nalilll distributor about its lenuineness. phone Department, about tho utility of VAISAKijA lO.l907:.(SAKA) Writt,,, 1I"1tmt JO tbo system of Area Manager$ in the (c) Yes, Sir. Request for S.T.D. to capital, particular.]y its impact on the some of the stations has 'been receJved. correct billing, efficient working of the telephone 8ervbes, immediate compliance New Marketfng Strategy by OPEC of tbe, complaints about faulty telephones and other related matters ; 4769. SHRI BHOLA NATH SBN: Will the ,Minister of 'PETROLEUM b' (b) if so, the details thereof; and pleased to state: (c) the steps he proposes to take to (a) whether Go~ernment have infor. accommodate all public dea ling sections m~,tion about the new marketing stratelY in a compact posit ion ? reported to have been initiated by the Organisation of Petroleum Exportinl THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Countries (OPEC) to prevent further MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS decline in crude oil prices and the reac- (~HRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : tion of the developing countries to the (a) No such form31 assessment has proposal; been made about the wOlking of the sys- tem of Area Managers in the capital. (b) if so, the detaihJ thereof; (c) the reaction of Government there- (b) Does not arise. to, ;

(c) Action to accommodate all public (d) the response of the OPEC and dealing sections in a compact position has non-OPEC countries; and, already been initiated wherever feasible. (e) the present position? Linking of Towns in Maharashtra with THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Bombay by S.T.D. MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM: (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA) : (a) to 4768. SHRI R.M. BROYE : Will (e) There have been Press Reports that the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS OPEC countries have decided to hold on be pleased to state : to the targets of production assigned to various members nnd have also devised (a) the names of towns in Maharashtra measures to enforce these production planned to be linked by S.T.D. with Bom- quotas amongst its members. This is more bay during 1-985·86 ; in the nature of self- policing to discipline members of their own organisation. (b) the names of towns planned to be tinked by STD with Delhi During 1985- In the total world oil production, the 86 ; and share of OPEC oil is deClining and that of non·OPEC oil is increasing. Even if (c) whether any request in this regard OPEC quota is ~trjct)y adher~d to, this has been made by Government of Maha- shpuld not be a matter of serious concern. rashtra to the Union Government. However, the market is being constantly watched for an appropriate response to THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE any developing situation. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIO~S (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : rTranslation]

(a) Bhusawa), Chandrap~r and Shrj· Expansion of Gorakhpur Fertilizer Faetory rampur are likely to be linked by S.T~D: 4770. SHRI MADAN PANDEY: with Bombay during 1985·86. Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: (b) Jalpon, Bhusawal, Chandrapur and Shrirampur arc likely to be linked by (a) whether a ~cheme to expand tbe S.T.D. with Delhi during 1985·86. OOrUhpur:, FtrtiJieer Factory with a view 51 Written AWl" Apl.lL so,' 1'985

to increase its capacity is under considtra. in Gujarat, MadhYa PradeRh and Oris8a; . tion of Government ; if so, the details of its findings; and

(b) if so, the details theteof ; and . (b) whether there is any propolal to set up cement plants in those areas; if so, (c) the by it time which is likely to be the details thereof? Implemented? THE MINISTER' OF CHEMICALS THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VEE· PANY AFFAIRS (~)HRI ARIF MOHAM· RENDRA PATIL) ; (a) No, Sir. MAD KHAN) : (a) The Geological Sur- vey of India have surveyed and estimated (b) and (c) Do not arise. limestone reserves of about 10.792 million tonnes in Gujarat, 8218 mil lion tonnes in [english] Madhya Pradesh and 840 million tonnes in Orissa of which cement grade limestone Survey for limestone deposits in Gujarat, reserves are 73S6 million tonnes in Guja· Madhya Pradesh lind Oris. rat, 3713 million tonnes in Madbya Pradesb and 165 million tonnes in Orissa. 4771. SHRI AMAR SINH RATHAWA: (b) Details of approvals given by way SHRI CHINTAMANI lENA: of issue of IndustIlal Lie ences/l.etters of Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND lnt ent/Registration with DGTD for expan- COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to stat e : sion/setting up of new cement units in the (a) wh~ther any survey has been three States are given in the attached conducted to find out limestone deposits Statement.

Statement

List of units which have been Issued Industrial Licences/Lette!s of in/nIt/Registration with DGTD for Expansioll/Setting up of units for manufacture of Cement in the Slates of GuJarat, Madhya Pradesh and Orissa

Name Location Capacity (Lakh tonnes per annum -- GUJARAT:

1. Largtr Unlt3 :

1. Cement Corporation of Oujarat Ltd. Veraval 10.00 2. Digvijay Cement Sikka 4.85 Jamnagar (SE) 3. Digvjjay Clment Sikka 4.85 Jamnaaar (SE)

4. A.C.C. Ltd.; Sevalia 0.80 Kaira (SE) S. Oujarat Ambuja Cements Ltd., Mahua S.OO 6. Arbuda Cem ent (White) Dhantral ,0.45 7. .Qujarat Himalaya Cementa (Withe) Ranavav 0.50 J3 'Wrinin AIJ8WltS VAlSMt}IA, to, i907 (SA,g~), W_ A",W,., ~4 11. Mini:

8. Shri R.M. Khatau (Jaldamba Cement) Danta 0.66 9. MI s. Shatrunjay Cements Ltd. Bhavnagar 0.66

10. Shri Niranjan Shah Junallarh 0.66 11. Mis Ambika Cement Junagarh 0.66 12. Mis Combined Cement Co. (p) Ltd. Kutch 0.66 13. Shri Om Prakash Shyam Sunder Agarwa t Mehsana 0.66 14. M/s Vekman's Pvt Ltd. Junagarh 0.66 15. S/Shri S.K. Gandhi & R. B. Gandhi Banaskantha 0.66

16. Shri L.T. Bansali Banaskantha 0.66 17. Shri Hashmukb Vinod Banaskan tba 0.66

18. Radhakrishna Cemen t8 Ltd. Banaskantha 0.66 19. Amigarh Cements Banaskantha 0.66 20. Kandhar Cements (P) Ltd. Junaaarh 0.66 21. Marvel Fairs Amroli 0.66 22. Jupiter Cements Jamnasar 0.§6

Ill. Registered with DGTD :

23. P. H. P. Cement Industries Bhavnagar 0.27 24. Mis Kutch Cement'> (P) Ltd. Kutch 0.21 25. Sh. Girnar Cement Co. (p) Ltd. Junagarh 0.30 26. Mis. Swastic Cement Co. (p) Ltd. ,; 0.30 27. Mjs. Gujarat Cement (P.S. Shah) Bhavnagar 0.50 28. Su vin Cenlenls (P),Ltd., Surendranagar 0.30 29. Mis. J.K. Cement (p) Ltd. Kutch 0.10

30. MIs Swaminarayan Cement ') 0.10 31. MIs Ruparel Cement (P) Ltd. Bhavnagar 0.30 32. MIs Ajmera Cements (P) Ltd. Junagarh 0.30 33. M/s. Patel & Lalka Cement Kutch 0.108 34. M/s. H. Ramchand Cement (p) Ltd. 0.108 " 35. Dr. Gopalbhai Meshjibhai Patel, Gonda} Junaaarh 0.30 36. M/s. Deshi Cement (P) Ltd. Rajkot 0.30 37. Mis. Gala Cement (P) Ltd. Kutch 0.108 38. Mis. Star Cement Works H 0.15 39. Dwarkadhisb Cement l"d. Junaprb O.lZ ,~$ Wr.it~n· ,A ",wers A"I-IL 30, 19a~: "'riu,n 14,111"';1' $& MADHY A PRADESH:

I. Large Units :

1. Cement Corporatjon of India Aka)tara (5E) S.OO

2. -do- Ncemuch (SE) 10.00 Birla Jute & Jndl. l. Satnn (SE) 2.00 4. A.C.C. Jamul (SE) 2.00 ~. Owalior Rayon Mandhar S.OO 6. Raymond Woo lIen Mills Jnngir (SE) 5.00 7. A.C.C. Jabalpur 10.00 8. Modi Cements Raipur 9.00 9. Jaypee Rewa Rewa 10.00 10. Mysore Cements Damoh (SE) 4.7S 11. Hyderabad Asbestos Satna 9.00 12. Standard Mills Co. Raipur 10.40 13. J. K. Synthetics Sidhi 10.00 14. Bharat Commerce & Industries Raipur S.OO 11. Min; :

15, Shri Rana Halluman Singh Bala~hat 0.66 16. Shri S.K. Khaitan Damoh 0.66 17. M.P. State Ind). Corpn. Ltd. Ba)aghat 0.66 Ii. Dhar Cements Ltd. Dhar 0.66

19. Bharat Food Industries Ltd. Sidhi 0.66

Ill. Registered with DGTD :

20. M/s. Calcara Products (P) Ltd. Raigarh 0.33

21. Mis. Abhishek Cement Damoh 0.33 22. M/s Gwalior Cement Co. Shivpuri 0.30

23. M/s. Quality Cement Ind. Ltd. NarsinghpuI 0.30 24. MIs. Gandhari Cement Mfg. Co. Dhar 0.33 25. 8hri S.L. Poddar ,t 0.30 26. Sbri Ramjidas Sharma H 0.30 27. Shri Rajcsh Kr. Aaarwal t, 0.36 28. Shri Akbil esb Jain " 0.30 29. Sbti s~. Jaswant Singh u ·0.33 30. M/. Vandalla Cement Co. Ltd. ., 0.30 31. Mis Varun Cement (P) Ltd. Q.,O !, Wrilttn ~M'W',,:i vAIs.ililA 10, ~~07 (SAKA) W,itf,,, A",M" 51

32. Smt. Sadhna Agarwal Dnar 0.30 33. Shri Narendra Pathak Narsinghpur 0.33' 34. Shri Bhajl'ang Cement (p) Ltd. Bast~r 0.33 0.33 35. Rudra Cement Co. " 36. Suvidha Commercial Co. (P) Ltd. Dhar 0.33 37. Shri Prakash Chand (M.P. Cement (p) Ltd.] Balagbat 0.33 38. Shri Tikamdas Naniwa ri Dhar 0.33 39. Shri D.S. Gill (M/s. Sharma Rag ine Valves Ltd.) Balaghat 0.33 40. Shri R.K. Bajaj (Bundaldhand Cement) Damoh 0.165 41. Shri Brijrnohan Agarwal Raigarh 0.33 42. Shri Vinod Kr. Aiitarwal Balaghat 0.33 43. Shri G.S. Sharma Dhar 0.33 44. Shri Surenderlal Shastri Damoh 0.33 45. Sbri Ram Sharan Agarwal Raigarh 0.30 46. Shri Manohar D ev Dhar 0.66 0.33 47. Shri Saligram Par ita BaJaghat O~33 48. Shri Borulal Rathi Dhar O.16S 49. Shri Anil Kaur Mullick , t 0.33 SO. MIs. Poll ipet Cement (p) Ltd " 0.33 51. Mis. M.P. State Jndl. Corpn .. " 0.33 52. Shri Uraj K. Misra Panna Bhind 0.165 53. Shri V. Vijayan oR.tSSA : 1. La,gtr Units : 1.. 65 1. Indt. Dev. Corpn. of Orissa Bargarh (SE) Chilhatti (M.P .>!Rourkela 21.40 2. Hindusthan Steel Ltd. Sambalpur (SE) 4.35 3. Indl. Dev. Corpn. of Orissa

II. Mini: Koraput 0.&6 4. Indt. Promotion & Investment Corpn. Ltd. Sundergarh 0.66 S. IPI.SP Comelt Co. Ltd.

111. Rttlster~d with D.G.T.D. : Koraput 0.30 6. Shri Haruda Nanda Biswa 1 Koraput 0.33 7. The Orissa Mining Corpn. Ltd. BoJanair 0.33 8. . Shrl Amarcban4. Sharma (8:8. : SubltlDtial SKpaD&lon) A~tt 30, i98~

Iudustries clllling high Pollution .17. Cement.

4172. SHRI RAM SAMUJHAWAN : 18. Asbestos. W,lI the Minister of INDUSTRY AND 19. Fermer.tation industry. COMPAMY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: 20. Electro-plat ing industry. '

~ (a) the pdrticulars of the tweilty indus. Statement-II tries alreadY identified as causmg high pollution; and The following condition is inposed in. the letters of intent issued for setting up (b) the special conditions prescribed for of industrial undertak ings :-" Adequate approval of the setting up of the industry steps shall be taken to the satisfaction of concerned and regulating the working of the Governm\:nt to prevent air, water existing ones from en'vironmental and pol- and soil poJ]ution. Further, such anti. lution control angles 'I pollution lOOilsures to be insl a ned shou ld THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE conform to the emuent and emissIOn stan.. MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM· dards prescribed by the State GOVt:rnment~ PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHA- in which the factory of the industrial un- MMAD KHAN): (a) The requisite in. dertaking is locate,P'. formation is given in the attached state- ment-I. It has been decided by Government that in respect of the 20 high polluting (b): The requisite information is industries, the Jelter of intent wilJ be con. verted into an industrial licence only after given in the attached statemen t-II. the fol lowing conditions have bee n ful .. filled :- Statement-I (i) The State Director of industries 1. Primary metallurgical producing confirms that the site of the industries viz., Zinc, JeCld copper, project has been approved aluminium and steel. " from the environmenta 1 angeJ by the compet ent Stat e authority; 2. Paper, Pulp an d Newsprint. (ii) The entrepreneur commits both 3. Pesticides/Insecticide!'. to the State Government and the 4. Refineries. Centra) Government that he will instal the appropriate equipment s. Fertil izers. and impl ement the prescri bed measures for the prevention and 6. Paints. control of pol1ution. 7. Dyes. (iii) The concerned State PoIlu tion 8. Leather Tanning. Control Board has cer tifted tltat proposal meets with the environ- 9. Rayon. mental requirements and that the 10. SOdium/Potassium Cyanide. equipment installed or proposed to be installed are adequate and 11. Basic Druis. appropriat e to the requirements. i 2. Foundry. Setting up of Cbemlcal Plant 13. Storage Batteries (lead acid typ e). 4773. SHRJ ANAND SINGH: Will 14. Acids! Alkalie,. the Minister of CHE~ICALS AND FERTI· LIZERS be l>loased· to 'Itate : 1S. Plastics. (a) whether there is any' propoSal un. 16. R.ubber SYDthetic. der col1&i4oratioo. Gl· GoverD~eDt for till· VAISAKHA 10, l'tOT (SAKA) bJishing a Chemical Plant for production the Meenakshi Temple at Madurai, ." a of more earch chern icalA like Zirconium major alternative to cement for the Chloride, titanium oxide and various types nation's housing schemes; of titanium aluminium silicon '1110YS based (b) whether any technical experts on the utilisation of more earch materials Committee has been appointed by Govern- in Orissa; ment in this regard. (b) whether the State Government has (c) whether recently the three days approached Union Government in this Seminar sponsored by the Cement Re- regard; , and search Institute of India discussed this matter; and (c) if so, the reaction of Union Gov- ernment in this regard ? (d) if so, the details thereof in this regard? THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM... AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VEE- PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHA .. RENDRA PATIL): (a) to (c) : It is pre- MMAD KHAN) (a): Research on use sumed that the Hon'ble Member desires of lime and other alternate materials to information in regard to the setting up of substitute use of cement in housing schem- a chemical plant in Orissa for the manu-. es is a continuous process and the Natio- facture of Rare Earch Chemicals. MIs. na] Council for Cement and Building Indian Rare Earths Ltd., a public sector Materials (till recently known as Cement undertakin~, is establishing a mineral Research Institute of Itldia) has been en- sand complex (OSCOM Project) at Chafra- gaged in R&D efforts towards this objec- pur in Ganjam Distt. of Orissa for the tive; manufacture of following minerals :- (b) : A Committee of technical experts (a) Rutile (e) Sillimanit c was appointed by the Government in March, 1982, to undertake a techno- (b) llrnenit e (f) Synthetic Iutiles economic study on the use of lime/pozzo- (c) Zircon (8) Hitox lana cement for use in constructions, (d) Monazite (c) and (d): A Seminar on Role of Building Materials lndustries in conversion In addition to above, one Letter of of Wastes into Wealth was organised by Intent has been issued in October, 1982 the National Council of Cement and Build .. to MIs. Reliance Steel Ltd. for the manu- ing M1teriaJs in March, 198 S, to dis- facture of Titanium Dioxide at Cbatarpur cuss the use of lime with industrial in Ganjam District of Orissa. wast es. The items covered during the Seminar included inter alia utilisation of No proposal for setting up another available agricultural and industrial wastes !luch plant has been received from the for making building materials and outline State Government. suitable national strategies and directions for imp} em entation during the Seventh Seminar by Cement Research Institute Five Year Plan period. The Seminar also of India on use of lime plaster discussed utilisation of lime sludge wastes from paper, sugar, fertilisers and other 4774. SHRI JAGANNATH PATT- chemical industries for manufacture of NAIK: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY building mat crials. AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be p]eased to state: Construttion of Telephone Extbanae BuildiDlfJ iD Rural/Semi Urben (a) whether Government have made Areas any efforts ,or research rClard4DI the use of lime which was used cent,uries ago to 477S. PROF. NARAIN CHAND CODltli\K:t 8.uch edifices as the Qutub PARASHAR: Will the Minister of CO Minar, the Victory Tower at Cbittor and MMtJNICATIONS be pJeased to "ate: 63 Wrllt;n An,S'WIf' APRIL 30, 19'85.' "

(a) whether there is any criteria for buildings except where a deptutmental tbe construction of bUildings for telephone buildinl is already available. exchanges in the urban/rural areas; Statfment, (b) if so, a brief outline thereof and the nember of telephone exchanges circle- S.N"o. State wise (State-wise in case of multi-State cir- Number, of cles) which have departmental buildini~; Telephone Exchanges in Depart. (c) whether any comprehensive Pt'O- frnmme for the construction of suitable mental buil- ding as on buildings for telephone exchanges in rural! 31.3.85 semj-urb~n arCas has been drawn tIP for the Seventh Five Yenr Plan; 1. Andhra 299 (d) if so, a brief outline thereof; 2. Bihar 34 (e) if not, the reasons therefor; 3. Gujarat 33 and 4. Jammu & Kashmir 17 the st eps by Government to (f) taken S. Karnat~ka 142 cover rural/semi-urban areas; 6. Kera]a 87 THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINJSTRY OF . COMMUNICATIONS 7. Madhya Pradesh 93 (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) 8. Maharashtra 4S Yes, Sir. The building pro~rammed is drawn only for large telephone exchanges 9. Assam 3S of MAX-} type for which special type of building is required to be constructed to 10. Manipur 17 meet the specific technicnl r.eeds of the 11. MeghaJaya 18 Telecom. Department. The smaH exchanges which are mostly installed in the Jura) 12. NagaJand 24 areas, are housed in suitable rented buildings. 13. Tripura 21 14. Haryana 22 (b) The number of telephone exchanges circle-wise (stat <-:-wjs e in the caPle of ] S. Himachal 13 Multi-State circles) which have depart- 16. mental buildings, is given in the attached Punjab 22 Statement. 17. Orissa 20 (c) As regards the approach for the 7th 18. Rajasthan 34 Five Year Plan the exercise has just be- 19. Tamil Nadu gun for the construction of suitable bUild- 164 ing for te1ephone exchanges. The details 20. Uttar Pradesh 173 rcltarding provision for each State will be known after oU,r demands are finaIJy 21. West Bengal 35 approved. 22. Sikkim 2 (d) and (e) In view of (c) above, does not arise. [Translation]

(f) In Rural and semi-tlrban areas are S."ly ,01 G.. C,UDder In Pataa normaHy served by small exchanges 4776. SHRI VIJOY KUMAR YADAV: which may be manual Of automAtic. Such Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be eXChclDJes 'art normally installed ill rented pltaacd: to stat e : VAISAKHA 10, J907 (SArA) Written .4.lIIw"s 64

(a) wbetncJ; dealers for supply of (b) Does not arise. cookin, gas cylinders have not been ap- pointed in Patna in adequate 'number, (c) Compla ints when received are proportionate to the population of the attended to promptly. cit),; '(b) if so, whether complaints of non· Growth (if Paper Industry' supply of Bas cylinders hove been high· 4778, SHRI K. PRADHANI: Will lighted through the press from time to the Minister of INDUSTRY AND COM. time; and PANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state:

(c) if so, the action taken by Gov- (a) whether GOt'ernmcnt have studied ernment to remove the difficulties faced the problems of Paper Industry; by the consumers? (b) if so, the main problems facing THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE the Paper ,Industry; and MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) = (c) the detai Is of 8t cps taken by Gov- While the number of LPG distributorships ernment for fllrther growth of paper in any city is not decided according to Industry '1 its population, the size of the population is taken into account for asse~sing the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE economic viability of a distributorship. MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM. More distributorships are propofed to be PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM. opened in Patna by the OJ) Ipdustry in a MAD KHAN): (a) Yes, Sir. phased manner under itr annual Market- (b) The major problems of the indus. ing Plans. try relate to increasing investment require- (b) and (c) Complaints of occasio- ments, dwindling raw mnterinl supply, na} shortfall in LPG supplies in various cfcalating input cost, availability of essen- markets in the country inc]uding Patna tial inputs sUl,;h as, coal and power and city appear in the press from time to time. modernisat ion and renovation. Supplies flom alternate!:lources and other (c) The problems of the Paper Indus- necessary measures are taken by the Oil try arc kept in view by the Indu'stry, Go- Industry to remove such shortagci. vernment, Financial institutions and other concerned agencies, while formulating [English] appropriate remedial measures. Some of the units have taken up modernisation Public call Omces in OrissA and technological up&radation with a view 4777. SHRI ANANTA PRASAD to achieve increased economic usage of SETHI: Will the. Minister of COMMU· raw materiuls, higher yield, reduction in NICATIONS be pJeased to state' : encrsy consl1mption~ improvement of qua- lity, po11ution control and prevention of (a) whether over 50 per cent of the obsolescence. A p'lckage of fiscal reliefs, Public CaU Offices in Orissa remain out .of by way of excise concessions, and redu- order resulting in heavy Joss to the Depa- ction/waiver of customs duty for import .. rtment. ed raw materials has been e"t~nded to the paper industr}. Infrastructural support (b) if so, the details in this regard; has also been improved by Increasing aJlo- and cation of coal to the industry. (c) the steps Government have taken Laying of Sewerage in Civil Areas of to rectify them 1 Delhi Cantonment THa MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF' COMMUNICATIONS 4779. SHRI G. BHOOPATHY: Will (SHRI RAM NIW AS MIRDHA) : (a) No, the Minister of DEFENCE be ple~8ed to Sir. state: 61 Written Answers· APItIL 30, 198' Written· A.nswers 48

(a) whether the first phase ot laying- rTranslation] sewerage in the civil areas of Delhi Canton- ment has been completed; S.T .D. ServIce from BarabankJ District of Uttar Pradesh (b) if not, -the reasons for this inordi- 4781. SHRI KAMLA PRASA)) nate delay; RAWAT : Will the Minister of COMMU· (c) the time by which the first phase NICATIONS be pleased to state: is likely to be completed and the. second passe likely to be corom'enced ; (a) whether there is no STD link bet. ween Delhi or other big cities and Dara- (d) the nameS of the areaS to be includ- banki District of Uttar Pradesh as a result , ed in the second phase; and of which pcop1e have to fr:ce Jot of diffi- culties ~ (e) the time by which the second phase wi1l be completed 1 (b) if so, whether Government propose to provide STn service from Barabanki ; THE MINlS1ER OF DEF~.NCE

District in Andhra Pradesh bad been select- TIONS be pleased to state whether Govern .. od earJier ; and ment have a proposal to finance modcfni .. sation of the telephone network through (e) if so, why this District bas been issue of bonds and debentures? left out? THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS MINI~TRY OF COMMUNIGATIONS (SHRI RAM NIW AS M1RDHA)': '(SHRl RAM NIW AS MIRDHA): (a) The Department of Telecommunical ions Equipment for four, secondary areas costing have ambitious plans for modernisation al'proxim'nte\y Rs. S crores are being im .. and expansion of tel ephonc nel work dur ing ported, as from commqdity assistance the 7th Plan. The question of r~ising Royal Government of Norway, The details resources for financing the plan is under are given in tbe statement attached. consideration of the Department of Tele- communications in consultation with the (b) The nalTles of the districts in which Planning Commission and other concerned they are being installed are: Barmer Ministries of the Government of India. (Rajasthan), Mathura (U.P.), Kohima Issue of bonds is Qne of the matters under (Naga]and) and Nainital (U.P.), ' considerat ion. (c) The criteria for selection was based on characteristics of the rural area )ike Complaints about Violation of M.R.T,P. hilly, desert and backward in nature. Act

(d) No, Sir. Krishna District waS not 4784. SHRT KAMLA PRASAD considered for the plans proposed for im- SINGH: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY plementation using Norwegian Equipment. AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be plea~ed to state: (e) In view of (d), not applicable. (a) the number of complaints of unfair Statement trade practices and abuse of concentration of economic powers received by the Mono .. Annexure polies and Restrictive Trade Practices SI. No. Type of equipment Quantity Commission durinq the last three years and the nature of those complaints; and 1. MeR Bxcbanses 21 2. RTX (Transit Switch) 7 (b) the action taken thereon, how many complaints have been disposed of and 39 l. E& MMUX how many are st ill penpaing 7 4. Sub Mux+Remote Mux 27 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB 5. P.C.M. Line Terminal 18 MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM.. 48 PANY AFFAIR.S (SHRI ARIF MOHAM· 6, P.C.M. RelJenerator MED KHAN) (a) and (b) : Section 36B 7. 500 MHZ Radio Terminal 63 of the MonopoJies and Restrictive Trade Pracuces Act dealing with unfair \1 ade 8; 20HZ Radio Terminal 8 pra(:tices came into force only with effect from 1.8.1984. During the period from 9. P.C.M. Cable 89 Kms. 1.8.1984 to 31.12.84 the' M.R.T.P. Com- mission received 98 allegations purporting Modernisation of Telephone network to fall under this section. Broadly, tho thl'oath I.. of Bond, and nature of the allegations related to holdil.'tB DebeD tu res of contests, offering of fri;c gifts will} the intention of not supplying them, claiming ,.783. SHRI HAIUHAR S01\.EN : e~ac)' Chatacteri&tlci ana aftiliatjoo whicQ Will the., ).IinNter tf COMMUNICA- '1 Written ~nswers APRil 30, 1985

the preducts did not have, etc. In all, 46 '(a) the quantity and value of dl'Q1 allegation were deemed fit to be inquired intermediates, listed in the budget for into. In 8 cases, suitable orders have been which duty concessions have been granted, passed. imported last year ; As regards complaints reJating to abuse (b) the names of final drugs that are of concentration of economic power, pre- sumably the intention of the Hon'ble Mem .. manufactured Ollt of these intcrmediat es and the name~ of the units which manu- ber is to ascertain details of complaints facture the end products; and about monopolistic trade practices. During the last 3 years the Commission received (c) the extent of be'l'\efit in value per only one oomplaint relating to monopo1i~ .. tic trade practice. The gravaman of the pack which will be passed ':on t') th e con. complaint related to charging of unreason- sumer as a result of the above? ably high' price in respect of defence sup- plies obtained by the Director General of THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS Supplies & Disposals inasmuch as ,the price quoted b)' the supplier in 1984 was 33 % AND FERTIL[ZERS AND INDUSTRY higher than the price qnoted by him in AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI 1981 althourh the risc in cost et\;. did not VEERENDRA PATIL): (a\ and (b) A justify the chargil'g of such higher price. The Commission has ordered preliminary Statement giving the namc~ of drug inter- investigation for purposes of conducting mediates. extent of duty concession granted an inqui ry under section 10 (b) of the in the budget, drugs for which they are MRTP Act. The report of preliminary in- vestigation is awaited. used and name of the manufacturers of drugs wherever available is attached. Manufacture of drugs from Intermediates Granted duty Concessions (c) It is difficult to quantify the bene- 4185. SHRI SIDHA LAL MURMU : fit to the consumers. HO\'le\,er, the con- Wi 11 the Minister of CHEMICALS AND cessions aro expected to improve the avai FFRTIL1ZERS be pleased to state: lability of the drugs.

Statement

S. No. Name of the granted Concession Major Bulk Namc of the Intermediate in the budget Drug for Manufacturer which the of the Bulk intermediate Drug , is used

(1) (2) (3) (4) (5)

1. Guanidine Hcl. Countervailing Trimcthoprim . Burroughs duty has beeD Wel1come, withdrawn CIPLA, German. Remedies, Fairdeal Corpn. and a Dum- 1,,, 0" other units. '3 Wiltten Answers VAISAkHA 1-0,. 1907 (.S-AKA) Writ/en AnJ tvers ;.\

(1) (2) (3) (4) (5)

2. D .. Penta Latctone ·do- Pentothcnates None of the DL-Penta Lactone Units have yet started the produc- tion

3. 2-Amine Thiazo]c -do- Phthyalyl IDPL, Su Iphathiazo 1e May & Baker

4. Piperazine Hexahy. -do •. Piperazine IOPL drate and its sa1ts and number of other units.

S. Diethyl Carbamoyl -do- Diethyl Burroughs Chloride Carbamaz in e Welh:.ome Citrate RELENI U.e.B. and IDPL

6. 3 Amine Oxa2oJidone -do- rurazolidon e Mis. Chen- Sulphate wei

7. D) .. Alanine .do- Vitamin B6 JDPL

8. Rif~mpicin S Customs duty Rifampicin Production 3-formul .. Rifampicin reduced to yet to com· SV 1 amiD 0-4-m etby 1 zero percent menee, Piperazine

Postal Division for Wynad District [Translation] in Kerala Opening of Gas Agencies and Petrol 4786. SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMA- Pumps in Himachal Pradesh CHANDRAN: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONs be plea~ed to 4787. SHRI K.D. SULTANpURI state: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to state: (a) whether Government propose to establish an independent postal division (a) whether any proposals or demands for Wynad district in Kerala; and for opening gas agencies and petrol pumps in Himachal Pradesh are under considera- (b) if so, the time by which it \'lUI be tion of the Government; establish ed ? (b) if so, the number thereof alool THE MINIST~R OF STATE OF THB with details 1n this relard; MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIW AS MIkDHA): (a) No, Sir. (c) the criteria being adopted at pre- sent for allotment of las aloncies CLOd pot• . (b) Doos Dot ariae. rol pum,,; and ~5 '*'rlflen Answers APiil 30, 198$ ,

(d) the nu n',or aild fu~1 part iculars Statement of the, persons who have been a Hotted gas agencies by the Ministry without holding Retail outlet (RO) any interview 1 Location THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI 1. P.lnarsa NAWAL KISHo'RE SHARMA): (a) Yes~ Sir. 2. Dha}} i (b) A list of Retail Outlets LPG deal- 3. Gagal erships!distnbutorships propo~ed 10 be opened by the Oil Industry in Himachal 4. Meer Wangatoo Pradesh is given in the attached state.. 5. Bangani/Lathiani ment. 6. Barari (c) After identifying the locations for development of retail olltlets/Lt'G distri- 7. Ram Shahar butorships the same are included in the Markering Plans for award of dealer- s. Sirkaghat ship/distributorship. Thereafter the con- 9. Ka1amb cerned oil companies release press adver- tisements in 1tading news papers in the 10. Beni'khet area inviting applications. The applica- tions thus received in response to specific 11. Rohru (Since commi&sioned) advertisements arc screened and forward- 12. BiJaspur (Since commissioned) ed to duly constituted Oil Selection Board (OSB) for holding the jnt crviews 13. Ghumalwin of eligible candidates. The Ojl Company concerned then issues letters of intent in 14. Rajgarh accordance with the panel recommended 1S. Swarghat by the Oil Selection Board. (d) The details of such LPG distribu- 16. Karsog torships awarded are as under :- L.P.G. SI. Name Location No. t. Una 2. Palampur 1. Smt. Vimala 3. Sunder ~agar Mahajan Simla ~imla (3 locations) 2. H.P. Food & Civil 4. Suppl ies Corpora .. Rampur- S. Dharamshala (Since commis- t iOIl Bashar sioned)

3. H.P. Food & Civil 6. Solan Supplies Corpora- 7. KasauH tion Keylong 4. H.P. Food & Civil [English] Supplies Corpera .. Pure •• of MoSQuUo Nets from tion Theog B.N.C. MUI., RaJnandpon .

s~ H.P. Food & Civil 4788. SHRl SHIVENDRA BAHA.. DUR SINGH: Will the Minister of Supplies Corpora- DEFBNCE be pleased to &tat~: tion Pooh (a) whotbor mosquito note arc purcb.... 17 Wrltt,n A'"~t"8 VAISAICHA to, 1907 (SAKA) WrItten A nswtrs 78 ed from the BNC Mills. Rajnandgaon by above plant protect ion chemicals as in the the Defence 'Department case of fertilizers to prevent the elp1oita- tion of the farming community by the (b) if so, the value of the purchases trade; and and (d) if not, the reasons thereof? (c) whether there is any proposal to increase the pr ice thereof? THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI AND COMPANY AFFAIRS : (SHRI P.V. NARASIMHA RAO): (a) No dir- VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) There is no ect purchase of mosquito nets has been statutory price control on pesticides and made from BNC Mi])s, Rajnandgaon. detail~ of prices at which pesticides arc Ordanance Factories, who fabricate mos- sold are not monitored. quito nets against indents placed on them by services, procure the nettings requir- (b) Of the products mentioned, as per ed for such fabrication through Central available information, only two Le. Car- purch~!'e agency namely Directorate Oene- bendazim Tech and Zineb Tech. are being ral of Supplies and Disposals. manufactured by FERA companies, ·/iz. Mis. BASF India Ltd. and Mis. Indofil (b) and (c) Do not arise in view of Chemicals Ltd. and are being marketed answer to part (a) of the question. under the brand names Bavigtin and Zineb Z-78 respectiveh'. Price Control on Pesticides (c) and (d) The Bureau of Industrial 4789. SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDI : Co~ts and Prices has been asked to study Will Min]'lter of CHEMICALS AND the the cost price structure of technical grade state: FERTILIZERS be pleased to pesticides/pesticide formulations. The matter regarding imposing of any statutory (a) whether it has come to the: notice price control of pesticides will be conSide- of Govelnment that some of the multina- red only after receipt of the report. tional firms in Anrlhra Pradesh have been selling their products as under: Production aad Sale Price of Slag Cement Vis-a-vis Portland Cement Captan 50 WP ; Rs. 60)000 to 96,000 Mt. 4790. SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY : Carbend9.zim 50 WP : Rs. 2,10,000 Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND to 3,40,000 Mt. COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state:

Zinab; 75 WP : Rs. 38,000 to (a) the Dumber of factories pro4ucina 54,000 Mt. slag cement in private sector and their nam es and sit e~·. ; Diazinon 20 EC: R8. j9.60 to 96.00 Lt. (b) the cost of production per tonle of slag cement and portland cement for the Heptac10re 20 EC ! Rs. 49.90 to years 1966-67, 1976·77 and 1983-84 ; 72.00 Lt. (c) whether ex-factory price for both Monocrotophos : Rs. 10S.00 to kinds of cement for sule are the same ; if 164.00 Lt. not, what is the sale pric.e of both kinds of cement for the corresponding years respec- (b) the names of. the multinational, tively ; and firms which are dealing with the above and are having proprietary riabts and their (d) whether Government propose to trade Dame; produce s)ag cement in' public sector with slag being taken' fr9m State-owned stool '(c) ,.,hether Union Government propose plants for sUpplying cement cheaper to the to impose a statutory price control OD the consumers? 19 Wrlt'tn Answer? APRIL 30, J'85 . "rlttt~ Amwtr.t . 8~

THE MINI~TER OF 51 ATE IN THE 3. MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM. Cemtnt Col porlt ion Clinker and PANY AFFAIRS: (SHRI ARrF MOHAM .. of India Ltd. part Brind. MAD KHAN) : (a) A staten-lent indicating ing' a t Chit· the details of the factories in private sector hati (Madhya which reported production of slag cement in Pradesh) and 1984 is attached. grinding at Rourkela, (b) The cost of produc,tion of cement Orissa. for the year 1966 .. 67 is not available. According to the Report of the Tariff Com- mission of 1974, the actual ex-works cost Statement of production of naked cement in 19721 1972.73 ranged from Rs. 69.71 to SIt Name of the Cement Location Rs. 126.60 per tonne of cement. The No. Factory Tariff Commi'3sion had indicat cd in their Report of 1974 that since no separate price 1. Limited had been in vogue for Portland Blast Fur- Ace Chaibasa Dt. nace Slag Cement, lhe statement of costs Singhbhum worked out by them was inclusive of the (Bihar) cost of product ion of Slag Cement. Ex .. 2. ACCLimited Jamul Dt. works cost of production of naked cement Durg (M.P.) in the year 1977/1977-78 ranged from as. 115.66 to .i{s. 187.15 per tonne of 3. Ace Limited Khalari Dt. Ordinary Portland Cement ard from Ranchi Rs. 130.69 to Rs. 171. 68 per tonne for (Bihar) slag cement. According to the cost profile for the year 1979.80/1980.81 studied for 4. f-.CC limited Sindri Dt. the Committee on Development of Cement Dhanbad Industry. the ex-works cost of naked cement (Bihar) ranged from Rs. 169.3 to Rs. 415.9 per tonne in respect of Ordinary Portland 5. Andhra Cement Co. Visakhapat· Cement and from Rs. 157.7 to Rs. 317.7 Ltd. nam in rC3pect of Portland Slag Cemen1. (A.P.) (c) Yes, Sir. The ex-factory retention price for both kind&; of cement namely 6. -do- Nadikudi Ordinary Portland Cement and Portland (A.P.) Slag Cement are the same. 7. Balalk.ot Udyog Ltd. Bagalkot Dt. (d) In addition to the existing five Bijapur cement factories in the public sector, the (Karnataka) following additional schemes have been approved for production of slag cemen t in 8. Kalyanpur Lime & BaDjari Dt. the public sector. Cement Works Rohtas (Bihar) Sl. Name of the cement Location Orissa Cement Ltd. Rsjganpur, No. Factory 9. Dt. Sunder .. ~adh (Orissa) 1. Pamodar Cement & Madhukunda Dt. PUl'Jia Slag Ltd. Sone Valley' Portlard Japla Dt. (West Ben- 10. Cement 80. Ltd. Palamau gal) (Bihar) 2. Industrial Devel~p­ Ba.rgarh ment Corporation; Dt. Samba)" 11. Durgapur Cement Ourgapur Orissa pur Works Dt. Burdwan (Ori$aa) (W.B.J 8.1 Wrltlln dlll,",,',S VAISAKHA 1 ) 1907 (SAKA) Wrillen An.swlrs 8.2

12. Mysore Cement Ltd. Amasandra S. Well-Head & 14.85 crares Dt. Tumkur Water Injection (estimafed lump- (Karnataka) Platforms sum cost)

13; Panyam Cements & Bugganipalli 6, Main Deck and 4.08 crores (es- Mineral Industries Dt. Kurnool Heli De~k timated lump- Ltd. (A.P.) sum cost)

Procurement of Equipment by D.N.G.e. (d) Yes, Sir.

4791. SHRI D.B. PATIL: WIll (c) Orders placed 0(1 MDL for water the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased injection platforms WI-8, WI-9, WI to statc : -10 and well head platform N-3 were canccIlnl as MDL was slipping in the (a) whether the Oil and Natural Gas delivery schedule and the delllY would Co-nmis')ion has placed orders" for equip- have affected the production of crude oil, ment such as jacket etc. with Ma7J~aon Dock Limited, Bombay and Nluva Yard, LTranslation j Nhava, in 1982·83, 1983-84 and 1984. 85; l,oss of Life while' CoJ)ecfing scrap at Central Proof I~ang(', )tarsi (b) if so, the dcta its thereof; 4792. SHRI nALKAVI BA1RAGI: (c) the contract price of each equip- Will the Minis( er of DEFENCE be pJeased ment; to state: -

(d) whether some of the orders gl"cn (a) the number of pcrSOliS wh J lost for equipment to MOL and Nhava Yard thdr liv cs wh ilc (olh.ct jn!~ scrap in Central have been cancelled by ONGC; and Proof Range at Itarsi since its inccpti()n t('date; (e) if so, the reasons therefor ? (b) the name of fhe Ar,cl cy pl(\poscd THE MINISTER Of STATE OF TIlE to be S(·t up for co!lectiJlg ~clap in this MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (S'HRI range and exist ing Jrrar;gCmcnts for coli .. NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA) : (a) Yes, eeting this scrap; Sir. (c) whether Government prcpo~e to (b) and (c) The details of equipment make neceS!'iary amendment to the Mano- and the contract price of such orders plac- eUvfCR Field Firing :_1nd Artillery Practice's ed on MDL is given below :._ Act, 1938 in this regard;

Contract Price (d) if so, when it will be amended;

, •.. -."._.- '_ ...... ,"---'"--_._.. _._._--' (d thc critcrin adopted for givina 1. R .. 12, Flare, Piles 12.67 crores c(lmpen~ati(1n to fnmiJies of the deceased Deek, Bridge, persons, tl1c nnlount actually being paid Main Piles, SBM 'ascompensation 1i11 the time proper ar- etc. rangements will be made in the R~mge, the number of families given compensation 2. SBM fot 'SHDt 6. crore! by the Government upt il now and the· amount paid to (ach f~nljJy alcrg \\Iilh~ 3. NQO Jacket, 45 crores nameS of the dec{nsed ptfSOfS; nnd Main Piles Pipe ~ Lines etc. (f) the nun,""'" or ~\l(h Rl:1'{ N· in the 4. Process platforms Priceh are under cO\1n~J)' lind tl C ; ,,]1('· \-' itt: k', fj~ln noaotiation ~ereof ? 83 Wrllten Answers APlUL 3e t 1985 Written A.nswers 84

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI (i) In January. 1983 Government P.V. NARASIMHA RAO) : (8) S9 (Fjfty sanctioned a number of allowan- Nine) since 1972 todate. ces and concessions to the tune of Rs. 30 crores. Officers up to the (b) The collection of scrap is not rank of Brigadiers have been considered feasible since it involves srave given free ration now. risk to the life of the persons collecting it. As such there is no proposal to set up (ii) In 1984 Government san'ctioned any agency for this purpose. further concessibns costing R~. 16.4 crOres specially with a view (c) & (d) There is no proposal with to improve the conditions of the Governmen to amend the 'Manoeuv- service of leOs and other res Field Firing and Artillery Practices ranks. Act, 19~8'.

(e) The Madhya Pradesh Govt. have (iii) Se,"ond Cadre Review bas been notified the Range as a c~Pro,hibited Area"', completed Hod orders .ho.ve been the entry to whilh is illegal and punishable, issued. The total financial im the Question of &iving compensation to plication of this is about Rs. aft'cct'ed families, therefore, does not 14.63 crores. Thus over the arise. past two years, sanctions worth Rs. 60 crores have been issued for (f) There are three such Proof Ran. impro'Jing the conditions of Se- ges in the country at present :- rvice of Armed Forces.

(i) Central Proof Establishment, (iv) The Fourth Pay Commission set Itarsi, Madhya Pradesh, up by the Government will int er alia look into the present stru- (ii) Long Proof Ranae, Khamaria, cture oC emoluments taking into Madhya Pradesh, account the total packet of (iii) Pr~of Range, Balasore, Orissa. ben efits in cash and kind, includ- ing death-cum-retirement benefits availub1e to Armed Forces per- rEnglishl sonnel and ~uggest changes which may be desirable and feasible Attl1lction for Armed Forces Services having regard t(, their terms and conditions of s !rv ices. 479~. SHRI K. MOHANDAS: Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state the steps taken or proposed to be Indianfsation ·of parts Marutt Car .taken to make the Armed Forces services more attractive? 4794. SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY : THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI SHRISATYENDRA NARAYAN P.V. NARASIMHA RAO): A statement SINHA: . is attached. SHRI BALASAHEB. VIKHE PATIL : Will the Minister of Statement INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Pay and service condition" 0/ members 01 Armed Forces (8) whether tne Amba~sador of Japan in New De1bi has cautioned Government Terms of condit ions of Ser ... ice perso- a,ainst indianisation of parts of Maruti nnel are being constantly reviewed· by the car and vehicles manufactured, in this Government with a view to improve the country under collaboration; 8f}d quality and morale of th e forces' and. to make tfie ca1C~er in Service more aUra- (b) tbe reaction of Government there .. ctive. tel 85 W,ftJtn Answer! VAlSAt(~ 10, 1907 (SA.KA) Written An.vwer$ 8,6.

THE MINSTER OF ST ATE IN THE required. The ptoccss and formulation MINISTRY OF INDUSTIlY AND COM· also does Dot involve storage or utilisa- PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM. tion of any poisonous gas and therefure, MAD KHAN) : (a) The Japanese Am- the question of a Bhopal like tragedy be- bassador to India has made statements that ing repeated in Pune docs not arise as quality of Maruti car might suffer _f anci- such. llary components were indigenised at a rapid rate. Collection of data by District Indus- tries Centres (b) The Government are aware of the need for modernisation and expansion of 479ft SHRI K. RAMAMUR THY : the auto ancUJary iIldustry. This industry Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND has since been delicensed for Non-MRTP COMPANY AFFAIRS be plea::;cd to units. The existing units are being encou- state: raged to modernise and expand. (a) whether uniforlll definitions for Manufacture of Toxic Insecticide in purposes of collection of statistics and PUDe aJso monitor and cross ch cck the data be- 4795. SHRI DHARAMPAL SINGH ing collect ed by the District Industries MALIK: Centres at the district/State level have been SHRI C. MADHAV REDDI: adopted as has been suggested in the Mid. Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND · Term Appraisal of the Sixth Five Year FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: Plan (1'. 58);

(a) whether it bas come to (b) whether any evaluation of the the notice of Government that Union performance of the DICs as a promotional Carbide work ers in ] eague with some busi. agency has been done; and nessmen in Pune have been engaged in (c) if so, the results thereof? manufacturing a toxic insecticide without due safeguard; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM. (b) whether it ha~ created panic among PAN)' AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM· the people of Pune that Bhopal like tra- MAD KHAN): (a) States are responsi. gedy may repeat there; and ble for collection of statistics relating to District Industries Centre's, monitoring (c) the steps being taken by Govern- and cross checking the data. For ihis ment to safeguard the lives of the. people purpose, Monitoring Cells have been ofPune? created in the State Directorates of Indus" THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS tries. AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY (b) and (c) No, Sir. AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VEE· RENDRA PATIL): (a) to (c) A unit MIs Kamdhenu Pesticides, located in [r, anslatio n] Pune and which has been in existence since 1974, has been licensed under the Complaints Regarding Entrie s of Insecticides Act, 1968 tQ manufacture Deposits by Head Office, Lucknow the formulation 'Sevin'. This unit obtains Carbaryl technicaJ from MIs. Union Car- 4797. SHRI JAODISH AWASTHI: bid. India Ltd. and formulates this by Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS blendina with China clay and other fillers be pleased to state: under the supervision of the Union Car- (a) whether the Senior Superin(end~nt, bide itaft'. Head Post Office, Lucknow . bas rece1ved complaints to the effect that. eot ries of This unit does Dot manufacture the tc;bQiclJ material, for whigh MIC 11 deposits. made by tho depositors undq 81 Writ/en Answers APRIL. 30, "98~ ~rittt:n Aruwer~ a8 various ,c..avings sch~mes (CTO and RD) ment have approved 590, 673 and 752 in Sub/Branch Post Offices are not made proposa~s for foreign co11aboration during in their accounts by the Head Post Offioe 1982, t 983 and 1984 respectively. The as a result of which depositors have to particulars of forAign collaboration propo- face a lot of difficulties at the time of sals approved, viz. name of tbe Indian withdrawal of money; and Company, foreign collaborator, item of manufacture, nature of col1aboration are (b) if so, the action taken so far in published on quart erly basis by the Indian this regard? Investments Centre as a supplement to its Monthly News Letter. Copies of the THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE publication are sent regularly to the Par- MINISTRY OF. COMMUNICATIONS liament Library. (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA, : (a) Yes, Sir. (c) : The tie.up~ are s[lnctioned on the basis of needs in areas of production (b) 23 complaints pertaining to diffc .. technology. import substitu t i on and ex· rences in balances in Recurring Depositi port promotion. Commulati Ie Time Deposit accounts were received during the year 1984-85. Of Workers in Khadi and VmaRc Indus- these, 10 complaints have been settled and the remaining 13 complaints are under tries in different states process. The delinquent official has· been placed under suspension. 4799. SHRIMATI PHULRENU GUHA: Will th~ Minister of INDUS .. TRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleas- [Englishl ed to state; Licences to foreign Countries for Co- (a) the number of workers working under lIabaration in consumer goods industry :1iffclent schemes of Khadi and Vil1age Industries in different States. 419R. SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHER- lEe: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY (b) how many of them are women; AND CO\{PANY AFFAIRS be pleased to lnd state: (c) the minimum and maximum earn- (a) the details of consumer goods in- ing per person and their average income? dustries in which foreign companies have been given licences during the last three THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE years and the particulars of such compani es MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND .COM- to which such licences were given; PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM- MAD KHAN) : (a) A statement showing (b) the details of consumer goods indus- employment position in KVI sector durini tries for which foreign co1Jaboration 1983.84 is attached. ' was allowed during the last three years and particulars of the collaborating com- (b) The share of women in overall panies on foreign and Indian side where employment in the Khadi & villige Indus- such permissions were given in the last tries sector is about 4S %. three years; and (e) the reasons for such licences Or (c) During 1984-85 maximum per permiss ion for such co lJaborat ion? capita earning in Khadi & Village Industri· es sector ~as Rs. 2401 per annum while THE MINISTER OF ST ATE IN THE MINISTRY OF lNDUSTRY AND COM. minimum per capita earning was·Rs. 100. PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM·· The averase per capita earning wa s Rs, MAD KHAN): (a) and (b): Govern- 750/. per annum. " 89 Written Answers VA1SAKHA 10, 1907 (SAKA) Written' AIJJwers 90

Statement

Statement wise 'and industry wise Employment (lakh person) Sl. No. States and Khadi Union Ter------... -TotaJ rilories Cotton Woollen Silk MusJin Khadi I. States

1. Andhra Pradesh 0.41 0.05 0.01 0.02 0.49 2. Absam 0.09 * 0.21 * 0.30 3. Bihar 1.96 0:05 0.03 0.02 2.06

)j- 4. Gujarat 0.71 0.02 0.73 5. Haryana ' 0.19 0.05 0.24 6. Himachal Pradesh 0.01 0.07 * 0.08 7. Jammu & Kashmir 0.02 0.21 0.23 8. Karnataka 0.21 0.16 0.01 0.01 0.39 9. Kcrala 0.15 * 0.19 0.34 10. Madhya Pradesh 0.08 0.07 * O.ts 11. Maharashtra 0.04 0.10 * * 0.14 12. Manipur * * * 13. MaghaJaya 14. Nagaland * * * I 0.04 15. Orissa 0.03 0.01 * 0.57 16. Punjab 0.45 0.12 17. Rajasthan 0.53 0.87 1.40 18. Sikkim * * * 19. Tamil Nadu 0.86 0.03 0.01 0.90 0.01 20. Tripura 0.01 * III: S.05 21. Uttar Pradesh 4.69 0.36 0.43 22. West BengJ.l 0.05 0.32 ' 0.06 II.. Union Territories 1. Ann ndman and - Nicobar IsI~nds 2. Arunachal Pradt!sh - 3. Chandigarh - • : Less than SOOt (Lath persons)

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- GuldeUnes by Worlc1 Bank Regar4hag and the amount of the :products exp(}rted by~ese companies durin. the Jast ·three i, p,pductJoa and Use of PesticIdes years, year-wise ; 4800. SHRI C. MADHAV REDDY: Will the Minister of CHEMICAL~ AND (c) whether there arc any Indian FERTfLIZERS be pleased to state: compani es manufacturing and marketing food products and the value of the products (a) whctltter Government are .aware of . exported by tbose companies during the the guidelines issued by the World Bank last three years ; recently for the production and. us e of pe"ticidcs to minimise the damage .to • (d) the details of facilit i es being given health and environment in the developIng to multi-national companies and Indian COUll trios ; companies exporting food products; and (b) if s~ the detaIls of these guide- Hnes ; and (e) whether there is a great demand in foreign countries for Indian food pro- (c) whether Government propose to ducts and if so, the steps being taken to observe the, ~f~t;nes while formulati[,1l. boost thi s ~ndustry ? the policies fot ptoduction and the use (',f pesticides? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS PANY AFFAIKS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM- AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUS1RY MAD KHAN) : (a) and (b) : Mis Hindus- AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI tan Lever Limit edt which is born e on the VEERENOllA PATIL): (a) Yes, Sir. rolls of the Directorate General of Tecl'n j. The World ·Baflk ha.s issued ~uideJines for cal Development, is the only company the sel ection, pro~urement and use of governecl by the Foreign Exchange Regu- pesticides in Bank financed proj ccts. lation .Act having more than 40 % for .. eian equity engaged in the manufacture s (b) The details of the guidelide are and marketing of food produ~ts in India. pest and pesticides management practices; The it ems of food products manufactuerd handling, storage and application of pesti· by them are: (1) Vanaspati, Hydrogenated cides ; selection of pesticide material and Oil etc. (2) Milk Powders (including formulations; and procurement of pesti. Baby Food) ; (3) Margarine; and (4) Ohee; cides. ' The value of food products e:\ported by them during the last three years is not (c) The majorit) of the guidelines are available as no such company·wise data covered under the Insecticides Act, 1968 of export is maintatned. and are, therefore. already enforced. The rest of the auidelines are also followed (c) There· are several Indian compa- in principl e; , nies manufacturina and 'marketins food products. The total value of exports of Multinational and Indian Companies processed food products (including marine lIIanafaeturiag 8nd elPort~ng food products products) during the years 1982·83, 1983. 84 and 1984·85 is as under: 4801. SARI MOHANBHAI PATEL: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMP,t,;NY AFFAIRS be pleased to Ytar Value (Rs. in crores) .'at" ::. . .r. ~,. ,..... \ "l. "... .' (a) 'the llam-ea .:af ,!!ult~at~a~1 co~. . (prOvisional) plnJes ·.ma!!ur~tur~~g marketiul fo~d and 1~82 .. 83 . 'r"'"'~.~...... , '.".'~'.., It,. .. ,f".. """"' '~~ .~. ,...... )... ,.:... ,.,.. .. ,1,983~84 , ,~30.26 . ~ l~,1 ... or" f~i ,",1' ..",. .[IfI,'t • ...... , .. ~ftl. ;~arth~Jei'" ~inf_;m~uf~ ,.",. .~ '(b) being ,... t984!1$ .... ,...... Lt~,ed and marketod by thOle compcuues "$.00 Cd) the ,~itie$ normally liven to (b) if 10. the details thereor and tbe encourage the expert or the processed phased programmes for grAdUal indiaeni. food are duty draw backs, cash compensa- sat ion of the automobile units who are tol)' support, replenishment licences, n..>w· importio&. foreign techDololY thJou.h concessiona) charges of freigbt, priority conaborators ; and for shipping, etc. (c) the steps taken/proposed by (e) Yes, Sir. To boost exports, several Government to en6ure that vehicJe mallu- measures are taken by the concerned facturers stick to the agreed proBummu Export Promotion CouncilfAulhority. The for indigenisations ? most important of these are, participation in and or$anising exhibitions abroad, THE MINISTER OF STATB IN THE arranging buyer-seller meets, study tours MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY & COMPANY to explore the potentialitl es for export, AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD promotion of export oriented industries KHAN) : (a) Government are aware of tbe etc. statement made by the Japanese Ambas- sadQr to India that rapid indigenisalion Setting up of Drug Manufacturing Uults of ancillary components of Maruti car in Public Sector in Seventh Five Year PlaB might affect quality of the car.

4802. SHRI V.S. VIJAY ARAGHA· (b) The phased manufacturing pro- VAN: Will the Minister of CHEMICALS grammes of automobiles generany envisage AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to st~le : 95% illdigenisatioD by the 5th yoal of (a) whether there is any proposal to set production. up more drug manufacturing units in the Public Sector in the Seventh Five Year (c) By and large, vehicle manufactureu Plap ; ~nd are adhering to the approved phased manufaclurinl programme. Government (b) if so, the details thereof 1 are extending full support for Bettini up of new anc.iJlary units in addition to moder- THE MIN[STER OF CHEMICALS nisation and expansion of the existina AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY ones. AND COMPANY. AFFAIR.S (SRRI VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) At present, Fallin production of fertilizers due to there it) no proposal to set up a new drug Doa .. availabiUCY of power manufictUl'in& company ill the Public Se",tor during the Seventh Five Year 4804. SHRI BANWARI LAL PURO- Plan. HIT : Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to (b) Does not arise. sta tc :

Indlgentsatolo of Automobile Units wJtb (a) whether due to non·availability of Foreign Collaboration power in some of the fertilizer pla.nts, tbo adequate production target of the 4803. SMRI ATISH CHANDRA fertilizers could not be achieved as has SINHA: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY been reported by the Fertilizer Corporation AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased of IDdia ; to state : (b) tho details of.' . the 'FertiH~er plante (a) whether Government Illvo r'~i". Ih the country' which couJd not aet, aa. 'd.fPQqrt/~~ ,qC~JIlP.~iJ~ ,~r, ~~Rl~ ~f the quate power durina tha year' tHUS (OI:~iIo QQ~~bo[,tora or auto,~~ilo "UD,itS and ~ ,'lld~:fpJ; 4~h~~ing ,IV,pul.1~~ 'i~~~1.· lion prolramme ,on the pretelt of !lUure of the anelllar), sector' :, arid/& 'i tot' _th. 't&iliatl.,,_¥ty THE ·MINISTER OF CHEMICALS Visit or Rakstaa Manltf to USSR AND FERTILIZE~S AND INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI 4806. SHRJ BARISH RAW AT; VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) The over a11 ' Wilt the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased production of fertilizers in 1984-85 has to state: been in excess of the target. However, some of the fertilizer units have fai led to (a) whether during his recent visit achieve their individual production target to the U.S.S.R. any deal for meeting duet among other factors, to the ina de .. India's defence needs was Signed quate availability of power. and

(b) The foUowin" fertiI izer plants (b) jf so, the details thereof? were mainly affected by inadequate power availability/unstable power supply during THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI the year 1984·85 : P.V. NARASIMHA RAO) : (a) and (b) The recent visit of RAKSHA MANTIU to Gorakhpur, Ramagu·ndam, Talcner, the U.S.S.R. was essentiaJ)y a good .. will Bhatinda, Pan ipat, Namrup-l & II, visit during which discussions were held Durgapur, Bdrauni~ Rourkela, Kan. with the Soviet counter .. parts on matt ers pur and Mangator e.' of mutual interest. No specific deals were either negotiated or concluded. (c) In ord~r to obviate/min itnise pro- duction losses on account of power prob- [Engii.'J'hl lems, captive power faci lities arc; either under installation, o~ are planned, wher- National Honey Deve) opment Board ever feasjble. .807. SHRJ N. DENNIS: Wi)] 'he Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY (Translation] AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Cootinuance of self.employment scheme during 1985.86 (al whether there is a proposal to set up a National Honey Development Board; 48 OS. SHRI VILAS MUTTEMW AR : and Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFA1RS be pleased to (b) if so, the details thereof 1 slate: ,THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether the self·employment MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM. 'B'cheme for educ4lted unemployed penons PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM- will also continue during the year 198 s. MAD KHAN) : (a) No, Sir. 86 ; (b) Does not ar ise. fb) if so, the date from which it will be implemented; [TralU'lation 1

(c) whether any changes wUJ also be Opening of Branch Pos t Ofllces in Bihar made therein; and 4808. DR. C.S. VERMA: Will the (d) if so, tbe nature of changes to be Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleas- brouabt about th erein a od tb e reasons ed to state: therefor? (a) the number of villages with mote THE MINISTBR OF STATE IN THE than lSOO population in Khagaria (Bibar) MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM· whett ,survey has been conduct.ed for OP01l- PANY Af FAlllS (Sal\! ARlfI'. MOHAM- , ina of new ~ost' offic~s ; MAD KHAN): (a) to (d) Decisjon is ret to be taken by tb, OOVltDmtDt. (b) whether br8110b post otIip.' BYC 109 "'rIU," Answtr.t . VAISAKHA.I0, 1987 (SAKA) Written d~wtr' itO been opened in those villages in pOr811ance if any, due to be recovered are also isa~. of the communicatipn policy of the Union ed aftet the date or disconnectioa. Governm~nt ; and (b) As the practice is as per the (c) if so, the details thereof 1 prescribed rules, the question of mal- . practice dOes not arise. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THB MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS Imp lementation of Reservation Policy (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) in l\iinistry of Chemicals aDd Four. Fertilizers

(b) and (c) Apart from the population 4810. SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM : criterion which is 2,000 for non-aram Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND panchayat at villages in normal rural area FERTILIZERS be pJea&ed to state: there should be no other po~t office within adistance of 3 kms, and the anticipated (a) whe.ther the Schedulod Caste/Sche•. income of the proposed Post Office should duled Tribe Cell has been formed in his not be less than 25 %of the estimated cost Ministry; for viJlage to be eligible to be provided with a post office. One post office has (b) jf so, 'he authorised strength of been opened in Deolha nnd the proposals various grades of officers and staff indicat· regarding other three viz" Jhanjhra, . jng separately the number of 'officers Gauchari and Basudcopur are under belonging to SCjST ; examjnat ion. (c) the steps taken by the cell so far to lEnglioS'h] implement the reservation policy of Government ; and Telephone Bills after Disconnection and Surrender of Phones (d) whether the policy is implemented in the Public Sector Undertakings under 4809. SHRI PRITHVI CHAND his Ministry ? KISKU : Will the Minister of COMMUNI· CATIONS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY (a) whether it is a fact that bills for AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI telephones are being sent for collection VEERENDRA PATIL) : (a) Yes, Sir. for period even after disconnection and surrender of telephones; and (b) Four officers viz. one Joint Secre- tarY, one Deputy Secretary, one Section lb) if so, the steps being taken to Officer and one Assistant, look after this rectify such malpractices in the adminis- Cell part of their time. Of these, one tration of telephone D.epartment ? officer belongs to Scheduled Caste. '

THe MINISTBR OF STATE OF THE (c) The Cell keeps a watch on. imple- MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS mentation of the Government directives on (SHRI RAM NIW AS MlRDHA) : (a) reservation in services for SCjST in tbe The telephones bilJs claiming rentals, in organisations under this Ministry incJudiD8 respect of telephones temporarily dis .. public sector undertakings. connected for non payment continue to be issued till the telephone is fulaIly closed. (d) Yes, Sir. In caSe the subscriber does not want res- toration, the bills for renhtl issued for the Shifting .f N.Y81 Air Technical 8ehoel period beyond the date of disconnection : from Cocbln te BaDplore are withdrawn and cancelled while closing the acco:unt of telephone concerned. The , 4811. SHRI SU.RBSH KURUP : Will bills in respect of local call and trunk call tbe Minister of DEFENCE be ploased tG char,es ~pto the date of disconnectiOG; ltat. : '111 'W,IUen ~"swer"

It (a) whelhel' 'there is an), proposal to ElectrODie Teleplaoae Exe ••• 'at sbift Naval Air Technical Schoo), now Bhopal In Madhya PradeSh located in Cochin to Ban8alo~ ; 4813 •. SHRI PRATAP BHANU (b) if so. the .reasons therefor; and SHARMA: Wil the Minister of COMMU- NICATIONS be pleased to s'tate : (c) whether Government of Kerala have made any representation to the Union (a) whether the new e] ~tl"oDic tele- Government aaainst this move? phone exchange at Bhopa.l in Madhya Pradesh would start functioning by the en1 THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI of 1985 ; p~ V. NARASIMHA RAO) : (a) and (b) OO',ernment have not so far received any (b) if so, the details of its progress till concrete proposal for the shifting of the now; and Naval Air Technical School, located in Cochin. to a new site, However. since it (c) what would be its installed capa- is a growici orsanisation, and the scope city? for its !tl'owth at its pr'esent location is limited, the possibility of its having per- THE MINISTER OF STAT£ OF THB ~ ,force to be shifted does exi~t. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRl RA~1 NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) (r.) No, Sir. No, Sir .. (b) Does not arise in view of (a) above Settlna up of Te Jepbone Exchanges please. at Ckanclipur and Chaitaoyapur in Mldnaport District of (c) 4000 lines, comprising of two West BenRa1 Remote Line Units (RLU's) of lOOO-Un capacity each and one RLU of 2000 lines •• 4812. SHRJ SATYAOOPAL MISRA: Wi 1 the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS ( Trans/ati onJ be pleased to state: . Dealership of LPG in Bihar (a) whether there is any proposal under 4814. PROF. CHANDRA BHANU ¢onsideration of. Government to set up DEVI : Will the Minister of Telcpbone Exchangcs at Cbandipur (Nandi. PETROLEUM be pleased to state: Il'am P.S.) and Chaitanyapur (Sutehate

(b) Considering the· various sf eps which out of them, pending disposal t and the precede the commissioning of an LPG reasons therefor; and distributorship, it does not seem feasible to in4icat~ the time for such commission .. (c) whether keeping in view the in. inas. The selection for distributorships creasing demand of polyester filament yarn for the above 12 cities/towns is under and to avoid monopoly in th is field, Govern- way. ment propose to issue licences liberally?

~ssue of Licences for Polyeyster THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Filament Yarn MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA) : (a) One 4815. SHRI MAHENDRA SINGH: Jetter of intent was issued to Mis Indian Will the Minister of PETROLEUM b,' Organic Chemicals to mallufacture pleased to 8ta te : polyester filament yarn.

and (a)' the total number of licences (b) The details of npplication received Jetters of intent issued for polyester fila- from 1st January, 1984 to 31st March, ment yarn during the last three years and 1985 and rejected are given in the state- the parties, individuals and companies to ment attached netv its of pl'nding applica. whom these were issued and the value of tions are not published until after Go~ern. each licence and lett er of intent; ment has taken a view thereon. (b' the number of applicat ions receiv- ed by Government till the 30th March, (c) The creation of additional capacity 1985 indicating the detail s of nppl icant!1l, for poly('st er filam ent yarn is considered date of applicat ion and estimat ed value on merits at the HPPlopriatc time havil1g there()f and the number of application~ r cgard ~o relevant fadol s.

Statement

S. No. Registra tion Name of the Capacity Location No. &. Date applicant (tonn es/ (state) annum)

1. 275 (84)·IL MIs J&K 8t at e Industria 1 Deve- 3,000 J&K dt. 21.2.84 lopment Corpora tioD Limited, Kashmir.

2.. 443 (84)·IL MIs. KeraJa State Industrial 10,000 KeraJa dt. 13.3.84 Development CorporHtion Limi· ted, Trivandrum.

3. 682 (84)-IL!MRTP Mis. Nay Bharat Enterprises 6,600 Andhra dt. 2$.4.1984 Limited, Hyderabad. Pradesh

4.'i ~·i,~a4}.lL M/s.·Deccan Cements Ltd •• 6,000 Andhra dt. 30.4.1984 Hyderabad. PradeSh Subhash Silt Mills Limi· "H1, I" g.14, ,', (84)..lL' MIs. 1,280 Maharashtra d,t~, ~2,.,.~,t',84 ted"., ,8,Qmbay.

6:t'} 1714 (.B4~'L/ttmT~ .! ., ,: .. ~Wi41 Straw Produ~ts I Limited, . JO,OOO l·~ '. 4t .... 2!J.9 .. 84 -"')JeW,Dctlai, 11 S Written Answ,,, ArIIL 30. 1'8'

1 2 3 4

7. 1793 (84).IL MIs. Shree Padmavlti Petro- 3,000 Gujarat dt. 8.10.84 chem Industries Pvt. Limited. Ahmedabad. 8. NRI-10t/84/fL Shri ·U.M. Patel C/o. Mis. 1,300 Gujarat dt. 30.10.1984 Paisal Fabrics (Private) Limi- ted, Oujarat. 9. 2191/84/1L Shri Alok Par asrampuria, 6,000 Gujarat dt. 27.11.1984 New Delhi. 10.- 2221/84/IL MIs. Andh~ Pradesh Indus- 6,000 Andbra dt.1.12.1984 trial Development Corporation Pradesh Limit ed, Hyd erabad. It. 2334/84/IL MIs. Assam Industria) Deve- 10,000 Assam dt. 18.12.1984 lopment Corporation I.. imited:

12. SS/85/IL Shri Sudhir Sanhgi, 10,000 Andhra dt.l1.1.1985 Hyderabad. Pradesb 13. 143/85/IL Shri Brahm Datt, 1 O~OOO Uttar dt. 28.1.1985 Niw Delhi. Pradesh

14. 176/85/IL Shri A.L. Dhingra, 5,000 Maharasbtra dt. 2.2.1985 Bombay 15. 177/85/IL Shri Subhash Bhatia, 6,000 Himachal dt.8.2.1985 New Delhi. Pradesh 16. 54 (85)/IL/MRTP MIs. Century Enka Ltd. 10,000 Maharasbtra dt. 11.1.1985 Calcutta 17. 209 (8S}/IL! Shri Suresh Keshwani, 6,000 Bihar dt. 12.2.1985 Bombay 18. 210 (85)/lL Shri R.O. Patwari, 10,000 Andhra dt. 12.2.1985 Hyderabad. Pradesb 19. 215 (85)/IL Shri Jaldish Khanna &. Man- 6~OOO Oujarat dt. 11.2.1985 mohan Anand Anklcsbwar (Oujarat)

Exploration of 011 In Mathys Western Madhya Prdesh for exploration of Pradesh oil; 4816. SHRt DILEEP SINGH BHU- (b) if so, the names of the ,Iacet RIA: WiH,the Minister of PETROLEUM where survey bas been oood.llcted and the be pleased to slate: quantum of oil deposits found; and' (a) whether the Oil and Natural Gaa (c) whether the OU and Natural Ols Commission has conducted any survey in Commi'liOD would cootiaut to coaduct VAISAkHA 1'0, 190; ,{SAKAl, Written An$wer~~ 118 I

survey .in Curture also. and if 10. the details Instructions have already been is sutd thereof' " to concerned officers to keep a close wRtch on the functioning of telephone system ' THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE at Aligarh. MINISTIl Y OF PETR.OLEUM (SHRI MAW AL KISHOIt'B SHAR MA): (a) Setting up of Cement Industry in Yes. Sir. Andbr. Pradesh (b) ONGC have conducted geosci en- titic surveys in Neemuch, Mandasor, 4818. SHRI N. VENKATA RATNAM: Jaora. Ratlam, Jhabua, Dbar, Indore, Wil) the Minister of INDUSTRY AND Ujjaio, Hosbangaood. Chhindwara and COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state : Jabalpur •. No oU deposit has yet been located. (a) whether the State Government of (c) Yes, Sir. Two party years each Andhra Pradesh applied for c('mcnl ir,dus- of geological and gravity magnetic surveys try in Guntur and Vishakhapalnam in are planned for 1985-87. These will be 1983; followed by seismic survey •. (b) whether Union Government granted [EngU,hJ a letter of intent to the Government of Andhra Pradesh and if not, the reasons Telephone Ser'Jee in Aligarh tbereof; 4817. SHRI CHITTA MAHATA: (c) whether Government received the Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: approval of Coal Linkage Committee for continuous supply of coal; and (a) whether attention of Governmenf has been drawn to a newsitem appeared (d) whether Singaren i Coil icrics Com .. in the "Aligarh Mail" of 12 April, 1985 pany Ltd. agreed for continuolls supply of regarding deteriorating telephone service cou 1 for this industry 1 In Aligarh;

(b) if so, whether it is a fact that tele- THE MINrSTER OF STATE IN THE phone services in the district of Aligarh MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY J\ND COM- Are deteriorating da} by da); and PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARff MOHAM,· MAD KHAN): (a) to (d) An appJica- 'tion from Messrs Andhra Prndesh Indus- (c) the action Governn1ent propose trial Development Corporation) Hydcl a.. to take ill this regard? bad for establishment of a millio,'! tonne cement plant with clinkering plant in Gun- THB MINISrER OF STATE OF THE tur District and "rinding pJant at Vizag MINISTR.Y OF COMMUNICATIONS W,lS received in March, 1984. The appli· (SHRI RAM NIWAS M[RDHA) : (a) Yes, cation was rejected prirna·facie 011 account Sir. Newsitem about tele~hone services of constraints in regard to availability at Aligarb appeared in "AI iaarh Mail" on of coal from Singareni Collieries. Coal 11.4.85. and Dot on 12.4.85. linkage is co.,iderld b) the SpecIal Linkage Committee set up in the Departmellt of (b) No" Sir .. The telepbone services in Coal irrespective of .the avai lability or the distrjr;t of, Aliaarb Ire len,rally satis- otherwise of coal agroed to by individual factory. collieries. The quest ion of getting the recommendation of Staoding Coal Linkage (;) . All efforh are beiDa made at Committee does not arise in this case. IS no lettcr of iDtoat hal been If ant to, , vaarlotls' tevell; t() further tinprove thf' ,.t'l .. to GOQl. lOMe.... .' . lb'. party. t t 9 Written Answe.fs

Cost Audit of Companies on, Pefma. ommendatioas "ia partly attribtttabl~ ·10 nent Basis the necessity tor an in-depth re·~l(aQ\ln. t ion of the Committee's 460 recommen- 4819. SHRJ VISHNU MODI: dations in res~t of the COQIPaniel·· Act SHRl ~HANTI DHARJWAL: from the paint of ~iew 'of assessfnl' the Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND feasibility of an overall simplification Qf COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to the statute as a whole and partly becuu,e' state: several new suggestions were, in, tbe meanwhll e, received from various ·Chembers (a) whether the Sachar Committee on of Commerce etc. on the subject and these the Companies Act and the MRTP Act were also required to be considered. , has recommended that Cost Audit once ordered in an industry must contiuue on Constructiou of. P & T Staff Quarters permanent basis and the Companies with in Cuttack (Orissa) a paid up capita) of Rs. 25 lakhs or more should be required to employ a Cost 4820. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANT- Accountant and the ba lance sheet of such GRAHl: Will the Minister of CO~MU. companies should be got certified by the NICATJONS be' pleased to state: Cost Auditor so far as the figures of stock inventory, storcs/~pares, raw materials, (a) whether Government are aware tool and work-in-progress aT c concerned; that the construction of staff quarters in Cuttack, the main commercial city in (b) whether the said Committee has Orissa, is only 1-1/2 per cent and no also recommended that the appointment P & T quarters have, been ,.constructed in of a Co~t ~ud itor should be on the same Cuttack for the last fifteen years: and lines as applicable to the Statutory Audi- tor in such companies; and (b) if so, whether Government are taking any steps in this direction? (c) if so, the reasons for delay in the implementation of these recommendations, THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE part icularly in the wake of emphasis on MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS the need for rapid industrial growth, incre- (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): asing productivity and efficiency in the TELECOM. ta) and (b) No, Sir. The performance of Industries? Percentage satisfaction at Cuttack is 5.69 as on 31.3.1985., Nine staff quarters have THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE been constructed during the last five years. MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- 75 staff quarters are planned to be const- PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM- ructed at Sikharpur (juring 7th Plan subjet MED KHAN) : (a) The Sachar Committee to the avaiJabiJ hy of funds. in its Report had recommended for the appointment of Cost Accountant in com- POSTAL panies having a p.lid-up capital of Rs. 2S lakhs Or more and engaged in certain (a) The satisfaction of staff quarte r& t)pes of industries. The, Committee also at Cuttack js 2! % During the 6th" Five recommended that balanc.:e sheets of such Year Plan period of 1980-85, 6 ('l~) companies should be certified by the Cost staff' quarters have been constructed· ,in Auditor in respect of figures of stock, Cuttack. inventory. stores/spares, raw materials, tool and wOl'k .. in-progress. The Comm'it- (b) Does not arise in view .ot' (a) tce further recommended that cost audit above. once ordered in an industry must cOntinue on permanent basis unless the Central Production and UtiU.tion Capaeity Government decide~ to discontinue sUCh ·'In·'\A:€.T. U4yogaltlaDdal, ! .. audit in tha t industrY. KerBls

(b) Yea, Sir. , . 4~ll. SHRI, T. BA~HEER ~, WilLtbe

~nl.stel'. Qf~i"<;1W4I~L' ,,~D. ,FB,R, tlU" I (e) Tho delaY in pr'Celain, t~••. t:lOt. ZBRS be pleaMd to state ; ': ~~' \1 AJSAklJA 10. '1907 (SAKA)

(a) ;whether the produ~tion and capa~ (d) the details thereof? cjty utilisation are low in F.A.C.T. Udyo .. gamandal .Division, Kerala; THE MINISTER' OF CHEMICA~S

(b) whether low production i~ due to AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY the 0 Jd plants; AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VEE· R ENDRA PA TTL). (a) The capacity . (c) . if so, whether Government ha\ e Udyogamand~l any proposal t1nd~r consideration for utilisation of F.A.C.T's modernisation of this unit; and Division, during 1984·85, was as under: -.~.- ... - ...... -... -_._--- _.... __ .... - _.. _..... - ...... ----_._ .... _-_ .... _'---_.,_'_ ..-_---_ ... _----- NITROGEN PHOSPHATE .. __ ... --_."- .. -.. ~ --.--...... ~.- .... " ..... _...... __ ...... __ ...... _'"--.. __ ._.... _-----_ .. _-- % of Name Plate % of Achievable % of Name Plate % of Achicvahle Capacity Capacity Cap,\c!ty Capacity

56.7 82.3 65.8 92.6

(b) Higher 'Production levels could not (;1) the t('1lal number of L.P.G. be achieved due to the ageing of the agencies of the Indian Oil Corporation, plant and equipm cn t, frequen t power in- Bhar'1l Gas and JIindustan Petroleum (se- terruptions. load shedding, sal ine water parately) in the country: and problem, etc. (b) the total quantity of L.P.G. con· (c) and (d) : The company ha~ pr~­ sumed in the country per day? pared plans to renovale some of t he ex ist- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE ing facilities to sustain the present level of MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI production for the next 7-10 years. NAWAL KISHO}{E SHARMA): (8) The total number of L. P .G. distributorships of Telecom Offices .in Andhrn Pradesh the ditI~rent Oil Companie\ oper.lting in ill ReD ted Buildings the country as on 31.3.85 is as under:

4822. DR. T. KALPANA DEVI : Indian Oil Corporation 1005 SIdRI C. JANGA REDDY: Will the Minist~r of COMMUNICATIONS Hindustan Petrol cum Corporat- be pleased to state the total rent that the ion 776 T:eJccom Andhra Pradesh is paying per Bharat Petroleum Corporation 409 year for (i) Telephone exchanges, (ii) T-ellphone officcrs~ and (iii) .Tel ecom Total . 2190 Qffioes buildings? (b) The daily consumption of L.P.G. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE by domestic and other consumers during MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS 1984.85 wa~ approximately 2,600 M.T. (SHRI RAM NI,WAS MIRDHA) : The tota 1 amount being paid by Prad- Andhra Survey Regarding Deposits of Petro Itum esh Telecom. Circle and the Hyderabad or Gal in Bihar Telephone District for buildings taken . oe~tcnt is Rs. :9S,67~424.00 ,per annum. 4824. DR. C.P. THAKUR: Will the MiniitCl' of PETROLEUM be pleased ~ Allotment of L.P.G. Agencies state: 4823. SKRI E.S.M. PEKEBR MOHA· (a) whelhe.r any survey has been dOO,e MED ; Will tbe Mmister of PETR.OLEUM in Bihar to find out the deposita of ,.tr~ be pleased to Itate : , " ~.~ pt,'_'; . (b) if so, the details thereof; and reaularisatioD of posts etc., ar~ however pending flnalisaUon by the CotrtminioB (c) further action being taken by as th~ Trading Staff is employed all over Government in this regard 1 the country and thjs staff is entitled to several facilities and i-n cent ives which THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE are not appli~ab)e to regular st~d'. MINISrRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) Yes, (b) It would be diffic\l)t for Ule ('"om- Sir. mission to take an eiuly deCision on the (b) 1956 onwards the ONGC have remaining demands of the employees in l conducted aeromagnetic surveY, geologi- view of financial imp ications and varying cal survey, gravity magnetic survey and work ing conditions in various Bhavani of seismic survey in Bihar. They have also the Commission which are scattered all drilled 3 e'(ploratorY wells so far. over the country.

(c) Cllrrently one s(ism ic party is [English] working in Bettiah-Lauriya-Nandangarh area. ONGC propose to conduct further Public Sector Ferti ljter Plants in seismic surveys and drill one parametric West Bengal well in Bihar. 4826. SHRJ PRIY A RANJAN DAS r,anslation] A1UNSI : Will the Minister of CHEMI- CALS AND FERTIL1ZERS be pleased to Demands of employees of Kbad i state: Gramodyog Bhavan (a) the criteria for seU ing up public 4825. SHRIMATI Vlt)Y AWATI sector fertilizer p1ants in any state; CHATURVElJJ : Will the Mmister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (b) the reasons why there is no unit be pleased to state : in West Bengal; (a) whether charter of demands of the (c) whether his Ministry propose to employees of Khadi Gramodyog Bhavan, set up a plant in Wtst Bengal during the New Delhi has been pending with Khadi Seventh Five Year Plan period; and Gramodyog CommL.sion, Bombay for many years; and (d) ·if not, the reasons thereof 1 (b) if so, the time by which problems of the empJoyees are likely to be solved THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS by taking final decAsion on their chart e1" of AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY demands? AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (~HIl·1 VEERENORA PATIL): (a) Locations of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE fertilizer plants are decided on the ba·sil MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- oftechno·economic factors includina demand PANY AFFA1RS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM· of fertilizers, availability of raw material. MAD KHAN): (a) The employee, had infrastructure facilities and other rele Vallt sent cbarter of Uemands on 27.8.1982 considerations like impact on environ- and 8.9.82. A reply was sent by Khadi ment. and Vi11aac Industries Commbsion on tbe 8tb November, 1982. Some of their (b) There are two publics sector fertili- demiDds were discussed on the 4th June, zer plants in West Denial-one at Dura." 198•. Replies in resard to various domands pur aud the other at Haldia. were sent from time to time also. For tbe ~ottlemeQt of local issues raised by tbe (c) Seventh Piau proposals bay. uot employeeS. A... local Committee was also Yet beeD finalised. constituted. Certain ill_ Ute extensiOD Qf pwioo. c;adriaatioD of calbiotl . uad (4) . Don bot ari"_ . t2S' Written AM"',rs VAISAKHA 10, 190"7 (SALt) Wrhten Answers 12'

..,.rt ... P,o_t,IOIIe' Petrol ami (b) the quantJty of petrol and petro. ,PetrolftlDl Product. leum Produ'cts imported durinl the year ~ to meet the demand of the country and tbe 4827. SRRI AMARSJNH RATHAWA: amount spent thereon ? Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be pJeased to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PET1~OLEUM (SHaI (8) the details of petrol and petroleum NA WAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) and products produced in the country durin. (b) The details are given in the statement 1984-85 ; and attached.

Statement

1984.85*

Item Unit Petrol only AU Petroleum Products

1. Indigenous Production (Million tonnes) 2.10 32.80 2. Demand (Million tonnes) 2.05 38.44 3. Gross Impol ts (Million tonnes) 7.2 (Rs. Crores) 2290

·Provisionil

Telephone Facilities in Koraput, headquarters during financial year 1985· Orissa 86 and funds pJaced therefor 1

4828. SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO: THE MINISTER OF ST ATE OF THE Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS be pJeased to stale: (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) (a) Yes, Sir. (a) Whether the Telephones Orissa CirQle, have undertaken a number of (b) Details of programme in Koraput schemes to provide telephone facilities in District during 7th Plan period as lCoraput district of Orissa durms the follows: Seventh Five Year Plan period; (1) 13 new automatic telephone (b) if so, the details thereof; exchanges (Max-II),

(c) whether funds had been provided (2) Increase in existing capacity of by for erection of telephone wires pole from telephone exchange 1800 R.ayalad. to Ounupur via Andhra lines. fradesh; (3) 18,iLDPTs ICOs ; (d) if so, tbe prolross made so far (4) 3 SrD Routes. aDd funas to be provided during tbe finan- cial year 1985·86 therefor; an4 (5) 100 Kma UHF Routes;

(I) (be steps taken to connect the (6) 4 maou.l exchanges will be ~utp.. .. h'ead,quarters with Sub-diviaional PlItiaed; t 21' Wr#tppf A"9Wfrt, APRIL 30, 198.5

(7) 3 MAX·lII exchanges will be con- mUted to be connected as att.chmoats to verted into MAX·II existing telephones. Fitting them into the Implementation of above pro- instruments manufactured by Jndian Tele- gramme depends on ava liability phone industries is not envisased. of equipment/line stores lmd departmental building. Applications for Registration of (c) No sep:lrate funds have been pro. Drugs CapacIty vided nor any estimate sanctioned yet for erection of telephone wires/pole from 4830. SHRI JAGANNATH PA".., Raya.~adn to Gunupur via Andbra NAIK : WiJJ the Minister of CHEMICALs AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to Pradesh. state: (d) Does not arise. (a) the number of app!ications for (e) Proposals stand sanctioned for con .. registration of drug items received during nec\ing Block Heudquarters at Ramana- 1982·83 and 1983.84 ; guda with its sub-divisional headquarters (b) the detail!; concern\ng Ounupur ~nd Bandhugaon BIDck Head- capaeit,y applied for, capacity granted, names of the Quarter 10 sub·divisional headquarters Ra)agaou durillg 19R5-86. No srparat(~ companies, nnmes of the items and the funds are required. reasons for rcduf.'tion in C;J pacitics, jf any; and

Modfrni~tion of Telephone Services (c) the details regarding the rejected cases and (ho':c npplOvcd wifh reduced 4829. SHR ( LAKSH MAN MALL! CK : capacity, nameS of the companies and - Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS Hems? be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS (jj) whether Government have taken AND FBRTI~IZERS AND INDUSTRY active steps to modernise the telephone AND COMPANY AFFAIR~ (SHIH services jn the countlY ; VEERENDRA PATIL) : ~a) to (c) During the years 1983 and 1984 a total nnmber (b) whether thel c have been made of 412 applications for DGTD R.egistra- experiments induding the eventual intro- tion were received. Out of these 197 duction of push button telephone (PBT~) registrations for the manufacture of Drugs in plnce of the existing instruments; and Pharmaceuticals were issued in 1983 tlnd and 1984. 21S applications for registra. tion were rejected/closed in 1983 and 1984 (c) if so, whether Government are viz, name and address of undertakin,s, considering to buy indigenously manufac. items of manufacture~ capacity and loca- tured ele ctronic diallcrs to fit into the tions in respect of reli,istration issued are instruments for PBTS to be manufactured being published regularly by the India by the State.owned Indian Tdephone Investment Centre in their monthly news Industries 7 letter. Copies of this publication are availa- ble in the Parliament Library. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MiNISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS· Opening of Post OIIces in Gram (SHRl RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) Yes,' Sir. Pandaayat Villages

(b) The propasa} is to introduce elec" 4831, PROF. NARAIN CHAND tronic push button telephones in place of PARASHAR : Wilt the Ministor of COM· existing dectro-mcchanicld instruments. MUNICATIONS be plea.se<} to iUite; .

(c) {ndilcOOutly manufactured and (a) .the definition of the 'Qra~ f Pan .. . type ap,10ved electronic "iaHer,s are per .. i:hayat ViUales" •• a40ptcd by 'iie ~l , , ''''''ill- VAISAKHA 10, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answe,'s 13'0

authoridea ,,(ot openiDl of Drancb Post Offices ; which have to fUDet ion as combined offices on phone-com. basis as dhtinct from tbose functioning on Mors-: Code '(b)' the' number of 'Oram Panchayat areaJso included in the list; and Villaaes/panchay.ats which do not have even a single post· Office in them at the (c) the total number of combined end of the Sixth Five Year Plan Le. offices funct ioning on (j) Mon e Code (if) 31st March, 1985 ; Phone-com. basis as on 31 March_ 1985? (e) whether it is proposed to provide at least one Branch Post Office in each THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THB one of the Gram Panchayat Villages and MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS ensure 100 per cent coverage by the (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) end of the S~venth Five Year Plan; July, 1983. (d) if so, the number of Post Offices (b) Yes, Sir. likely to be opened State-wise; and

(e) if not, the reasons therefor? (c) Morse Code-8793 Phono'com-24438 THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNlCATIONS (SHR:I RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) Complaints against plants and machinerIes Tho· e declared as Gram' Panchayat supplied by BHEL villa,es by the Stat e Government are treated as gram panchayat viJJages ; 4833. SHRJ PRIY A RANJAN DAS MUNSI : Will the Ministerof INDUSTRY (b) the number of Gram PanchaYat AND COMPANY AfF AI~S be p]eased to villages/Panchayats which do not have a State: single post office in them at the end of the Sixth Five Year Plan i.e., 31st March (a) Whether his Ministry is aware 'that 198 5 is 1 02796 ; most of the State EJectricit), Boards nre complaining about the plants and machi. (c) and (c) It is not possible to pro- neries suppJied by Bharat Heavy Electri- vide a post office to each one of the gr am ca1s Limited for power generatins pro- panchayat villages and ensure 100 % gramme specially West Bengal; coverage by the 7th Five Year' Plan as several of the gram panchayat at villages (b) if so, wh ether the Ministry has may not justify opening of post offices enquired into the matter from Bbarat due to non-fulfilment distance or financial Heavy Electrica]s Limited; and or both the conditions of the existing norms. (c) if not, whether Government pro- pose to examine the matter? (d) The 7th Five Year Plan is yet to be finalised by the Planning Commission. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB MINISTRY OF 1NDUSTRY AND COM- Publication of Telegraph Guide Part II PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM. . 4832. PROF. NARAIN CHAND MAD KHAN): (a) to (c) BHEL's capa- PARASHAR: Will the Mlnist er of :COM- bility in the manufacture of power MUNICATIONS be pleased to state: generating equipments is well established. In the process of indigenisation, some :(a) ,tho date of publication of ,the deficiencies were report ed by some of the latett .' edition of the Telegraph Guide State Electricity Boards for which remedial Volume n ,iving an alphabetical list of measures have been taken up. In respect the Telel1'aph Offices in the country ; of supplies to. West Bengal, however, no major complamt from the State Electricity .• 0,) whether' all sawb public call olJic:ts Boarel bas been reported. 131 fJlrilten. AnsWI" APRJL 30. 1885

[Translation] Ove.... Pr.Jda of ED_."" Projectl (INDIA) Ltd. . Limestone deposits In JaJsalmer 4836. SHRl .MOOL CHAND DAGA: 4834. SHRI VIRDHI CHAN'DER Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND JAIN: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: state: (a) since when the Engineering Pro- (a) whether good quality limestone jects (India) Ltd. has been workinl abroad deposits are available in laisalmer in for construction work and the ~ountriCl abundance ; and uader its operation ;

(b) jf so, whether nny survey has been (b) whether it is a fact that EPI iI conducted by Government to find out the going to wind' up now from certain ~OUQ· . quantum of th e limestone deposits for tries; and setting up Cement Industry in that area, (c) if so, the reasons for the sam e ? place-wise?

THE M1NISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE M1NISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM. PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI AR1F MOHAM· PANY AFFAIRS (SARI ARIF MOHAM· MAO KHAN) = (a) and (b) SnTVe)S carried MAD KHAN): (8) Engineering Projects out in Jaisalmer district of Rajasthan (India) Ltd. has been executing projects during 1977-1982 by GeoJogical Survey abroad, mainly in MiddJe East countries, of India have estimated 560 mi1lion since 1974-75. It secured a number of tonnes of flux-chemical grade limestone. contracts in Kuwait, Iraq, Saudi Arabia The Slate Government of Rajasthan and UAE. However, most of their projects have tentatively estimated a reserve of have now been completed except those in 5 million tonnes of cement grade lime- iraq. stone in about ].S square kilometel area of Amarsngar-Bara Bag of District (b) and (c) Yes, Sir. Most of the . Jai~a lmer. projects of the company have already been completed. Further, with the cut-back iD developmental expcndit U1e in 'these coun- English r 1 tries, in the wake of fulling oil revenue, Taking over of Excise and Customs long drawn Iran-Iraq war, preference for Tribunals award of contracts to local contrtctors, EPI is not likely to secure new jobs iD 4835. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAOA : these countrits. Thus, the company is W.ill the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE planning. to wind up its operation abroad ' be plensed to sta te : except In Iraq, where some projects arc yet to be completed. (a) whether his Ministry propose to take over the Excise and Custom Tribunals Operation of Coast Guard in Kera). so that they can be managed on the Coast Jines of the Income Tax Tribunals; and ' 4837. SHRI K. MOHANDAS: Wi11 tbe Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to (b) if so, the details thereof? state: THB MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (8) whether the coast guard hu SlOt ~NISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE extended its operations in tbe Ker... (~BJU H.R. BHARADAWAJ) : coast; ta) No, Sir. (b) whether this has IOverc)y baDcti· (b) does not arise. capped Gov ernm ent in r escuj~ the' laqt t W,itl,,, J.lUw,rj 3' VAlSAkHA 1,0, J9~? (SAKA) Written A",wers 1'34

ftuaUer of fishin. vessels involved in Increase In rate or Royalty for accIdent on the high seas; and Assam Crude (c) so, whether the guard if coast will 4839. SHiO G.O. SWELL: Will the he alked to extend its operations in Kerala Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to coast also 1 . state : THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI (a) whether Government of As~am P.V. NARASIMHA RAO) ; (a) to (c) has been rcpr\:senting for a substantial Althouln the Coast Guard District He!d~ raise in the' rate of royalty for Ass~lm quarters at Cochin is .planned to. be crude; acti\ated only during the current year, ("'..oast Guard ships and aircraft do under- (b) the rate being paid at present; take patrols off the Kerala COlst. Search and and fescue assistance is provided by the Coast Guard as and when asked for. Dur- (c) the formula on which the rate -was ina 1984, no such request was r :ceived fixed and when? (rom the Ketala Government. THE MINISTER OF STATE· OF THE Super Market in Shl1long MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA) : (a) Yes, . 4838. SHRIO.O. SWELL: Will the Sir . Minister of DEFENCE be pleas ed to state: (b) Rs. 61/- per metric tonne.

(a) wh~ther his Mitlistry is proceeding (c) Royalty is related to the well hend with the cO,lstruction of a super market price of crude ·oif, and is fixed on balance.. in Shillong ; of several considerations, namely. the desirability of providing rcasonabI e reve- (b) the distance of the proposed nue to the States where oil is produced, defence market from the present tradi. and at the same time, limiting the extent to which it will add to the pr ice of pelro- tional market of Shillong known as I eum products. It cannot exceed 20 of 'Iewdub' (Barabazar) ; % tbe well head price of crude oi1. The last (c) whether many cantonment lands revision in the rate of royalty Wits effected from 1st April, 1981. are right within the present ] imits of Shillorig city, and Allotment of Petrol and Diesel Depo ts In Orissa (d) whether the 99 year lease for 4840. SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK: these contonment lands has eKpired ? Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to statc : THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI '.V. NARASIMHA RAO): (a) No super (a) the total n umber of petro] ano market is at present being con~tructed by diesel depots in Orissa at the end of 1984; tbe Cantonment Board in Shillong Can- ~nd tonment. The Board, however, has a pro· posil to construct a shopping complex in (b) the number of depots allotted to Survey No. 20, Shillong Cantonment. educated youth, Social workers, handi- capped, wives or relatives of war heroes, (b) The distance of the proposed shop- Scheduled Castes, Scheduled Tribe~. J)in. complex from the traditional market backward classes and other weaker sec. is about 100 met re s. . tions of the society respectively 'l Cc) Yea, Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE or THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NA WAL lISMORE SHARMA) : (I) 11\0. 13! Writte" Answers APklt ~O, 1985 total number of petrol and diesel retail (c) G'Jvernment have n'o information·,. outlets in Orissa at the end of 1984 was about the exact number of Pakiatui, 268. soldiers killed on 14/1Sth Marl-h, 1985. One of our BSF Ja we ns was, however, (b) The cateaory-wise details are not killed on 19th March, 1985. ~ ,_ readily available. Further there is no reserv~tion for backward classes or weaker (d) lbere is no report about the sections of the society. Pakistani troops opening fire in Nowshera sector on 27th or 28th March, 1985. Firing by Pakistani Troops in Tithwal in J & K (e) Government have no. confirmed- information about the construction of new 4841. SHRI B.V. DESAI: pickets by Pakistan or about Pakistan SHRI C. MADHA V REDDI : strengthening her forces in the J &. K SHRI RAM SAMUJHAWAN : Sector. will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state: (f) our Armed Forces are vigilant all along the border and th e Line of Control (a) whether four Pakhtani soldiclS and in J & K to counter any threat to the an Indian soldier were killed in an exchange Country's security. of fire in TithwaJ in J & K sector on 12th March, 1985 ; Co-operation between India and Moroeeo in the field of Fertilizers (b) if so, whether unprovoked Pakis- tani firing ha'; been going on almost conti. 4842. SHRI B.V. DESAI: Will the nuously since 12th . .1arch~ 1985 ; Minister of CHEMICALS AND FERTILI- ZERS be pI eased to state : (c) whether Pakistani soldiers were killed on 14th and 15th March, and an (e) whether it is a fact that matters Jndian jawan w"s killed on 19th March, reJating to cooperation between India and 1985 : Morocco in the field of fertilizers and phosphoric acid Were discussed between (d) whether Pakistani troops opened him and the Moroccan Minister for Trade, unprovoked fire in the Nowshera sector on Industry and, Tourism who visited India the border district of Rajoari on 27th and durin8 September, 1984 ; 28th March; (b) if so, the subj ects discussed; (e) whether Pakistan has built new pickets in many areas and have also (c) to what extent Moroccan Govern- further strengthened their forces in J & K ment have agreed to help and assist; .sector, and (d) whether any agreement has been (f) if so, the details and the action reached; and taken by Government 7

(e) if 80, the details of the same 1 THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI P.V. NARASIMHA RAO) : (a) There was THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND f;ome exchange of fire in Tithwal area in FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY ANJ.:i J&.K on 12th March, 1985, but there was COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VEERENDRA no casualty amongst our troops. Casualties PAT[L): (a) Yes, Sir. DiscussioDs on c0- amoDI Pakistani troops are not known. operatiOn in the fertilizer field were' held by the Minist.er" of Chemicals and Fodili. (b) There has be. unprovoked Pakis- zora with the Moroccan Industries Minis. tani firing in the Tithwal area but it has tor durioS the latt cr's visit to India· in not been soina on almost CQ1ltinuously. September 1984. lince 12th Mar~h, 1985, .s mentioned in the Question. (b) DiacusaioD8 Wo,t bold OIl ' tAt possibility of setting up a joint venture and further extensions caD also be araated for production of phosp hatic fertilizers. on justifiable grounds. It geDe~.lJy takes (c) Morocco offered to join as an about 3. to 4 years for an industrial project ,equity partner and also supply rock phos- to fructIfy. Actual gestation period, 'how- phate to the project. ever, varies from project to project. Out of the 1166 industrial licences granted during (d) and (e) It was agreed that the 1980-81 to 1984·85 for backward areas, possibiliti es of setting up l>uch a Jomt 290 were 'Carry-on.Business' licences. Of ventW'c' should be examined in greater th e remaining 876 industrial licences 4epth, 20 licences have since been canceHedi revoked. [T'!aIIslation] [Engiishl . Letters of Intent issued for Backward Areas during Sixth Plan Demand for Dew Telephone Connections . 4844. SHRl MooL CHAND DAGA: in Haryana WiJI the Miniister OF INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: 4845. SHRI RAM PRAKASH: WilJ the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleas- ~a) the number of letters of intent and ed to state: licences issued in backward areas to set up new iftdustriesdurin~ the Sixth Five Year Plan (a) the present demand for new t.ele- and the dates on which these were issued; phone connections in Haryana ; and (b) the extent to which the said de- (b) the number of industries started so mand is proposed to be met by Govern- flu, backward area-wise, and the number of ment in 1985 the details thereof; and letters of intent and licences implemented? (c) the time by which the remaining THF M.INISTER OF STATE IN THE demand for new telephone connections, is MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM. proposed to be met? . PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM .. MAD KHAN): (a) During the period THE MINIS 'fER OF STATE OF THE 1980-81 to 1984-85, 2889 letters of intent MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS and 1166 industrial licences were granted (SHRI RAM NIW AS MIRDHA) : (a) The under the provisions of the Industries present demand for new telephone connec- (Development & Regulation) Act for setting tions in Haryana is 11,452 as on up industries in various central1y declared 31.3.1985. backward districts in the country. DetaHs, (b) 3;120 applicants, out of the above such as, name and address of the under .. waiting list, are likely to get telephones taking, item of manufacture, capacity, during 1985-86 by expanding existina location, number and date of issue, in telephone exchanges wherever feasible and respect ot each letter of intent and indus- by opening new ones. trial licence issued are bein8' published regularly by the Ihdian Investment Centre (c) The remaining demand ror new in their,'Monthly Newsletter'. Copies of telephone connections is likely to be this publication, are being sent to the propressively met during the 7th plan. Parliament Libra.ry regularly. subject to availability of resources •

.(b) A Jetter of intent is issued with an Requirement of Kerosene tn Wilt initial validit} period of. one year and fur- B8II&11 ther extensions can also be granted on adeCluat~ justification. After the entre- 4847. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS preneur fulfils the conditions of the Jetter MUNSI : Will the Minister of PETkO· of intent, tho same is converted into an LEUM be pleased to state: industrial licence. The initial validity ktrOl~' Period of an iacl.rial IioODGI iI·two ,earl (a) tbO total requirement or .' , in West Bengal in 1982·83, 1983.84 and The retail prices in tho districts are 1984-85 respectively: fixed by the District Magistrates dependlnl upon the distance from the oil industrY (b) the total quantity suPpJ ied and the dep)t5. ' rate thereof; (d) Whil e the Ministry of Petro leum (c) the retail rate in those days; mak es monthly aIJocdion or kero~ne t() the State~J the actual distribution of kero- (d) the steps his Ministry propose to sene betwee'n the rural and urban areal take to stop bJackmarketing of kerosene a'ld different sectors within the State is the and under the Essential Commodities Act; responsibility of tbe concerned Stat e Govt. 'and The State Govt.. have b.en advised from time to time to ensure equitable distH"u. (e) the number ,of persons in West tion of this product in different areas. Benpl arrested for vi~)ation of the provi. They have also been advised to take Itern sions of the said Act? action against those indulging in maJprac- tices like hoarding and black .. mar.ketinl of THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE kerosene under the Essential CommQdities MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI Act, 1955, the Prevention of 'la~ NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) and Marketing and Maintenance of Supplies of (b) Tbe requirement of kerosene oil of each Essential Commodities Act, 1980 and the State/Union Territory including West Kerosene (Fixation of Ceiling p,jccs) Order, Bengal is assessed by allowing 5 % growth 1970. over the allocations made during the cor· responding period of the previous year on (e) The number of persons arrested a four-month.block basis. Besides the regular allocations, ad-hoc allocations to during the last three years are liven meet specific situations and requests from below:- State Govts., are also occasionally made. Pilllres relating to allocations of .kerosene Year No. of'pe.rsons to West Bengal in 1982-83, 1983·84 and 1984.. 85 and its upJiftment in this period arrested are as under :- 1982·83 283 (Figures in tonnes) 1983.84 117 Year Allocation Sales 1984·85 170 1982.. 83 448,200 449,775 Unautborised Pr.oductioll of Drap 1983·84 484,370 489,485 . 1984-8S 540,300 539,822 4848. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHB PATIL : Will tbe Minister of CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be please~ to state: (c) The retail rates pec Htre in Cal- cutta were as under :- (a) whetb er an inter-ministerial workin. groups was constituted in 1982 to go into Date Price (ill Rs.) the question of unauthorised production or 1.4.12 to 3L'3.83 1.80 432 dru. formulations by 19 drul com- panies in the country ; 1.4.83 to 30.9.83 1.90

, 1.10.83 to 16.3.85 1.92 (b) if so, the recommendations of .the Iroup ; and 17 ~ 3.8S to 25.3.8 S 2.18 26.3.8S to date 2.12 ($) aovomIDOQ,~" r'lcti~D t¥',,~ ~: VAlSAKHA 10, 1907 (SdKA) Wlllt',. Answerl J 42

THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS factories in Orissa at prescnt with their AND fERTILIZERS AND INDUSTI.Y anDual product ion ; AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VEBIlENDRA PATIL): (a) Yes, lir. An (b) whether a survey has been conducted IAter.Ministerial Talk Forco (IMTF) was to find out lime stocks in Orissa, jf so: eonatituted to ,0 into tbe question of pro- th e d eta ils thereof ; duction of drug formulations witbout valid igdustrial approvals. (,) wb eth or there is any proposal tC) establish more cement plants in public (b) The IMTP concluded that it would sector in tbose areas and jf so, the details Dot be .expedient to order stopPi,e of all thereof; and IUd! formulatioas. It also suggested selec· tive re.utarisation of such formulations. (d) the number of applications Govern- ment have received with the recommenda- (c) The Government have yet to take tion of State Government for establiahiul a tiDal decision on the recommendations mini cement p1ants in Orissa durin! tbe of the IMTF. last three years, the action takon by Government thereon and the number of Settla8 up of Cement Plants in Or Isss applications rejected with reasons therefor?

4849. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Will·the Minister of INDUSTRY AND MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM. COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM· (a) the Dumber and location of cement MAD KHAN):

(in lakh tODnes)

(a) N,me of the Plant and Location Production in 1984

1. Orissa Cement Ltd., Rajagangpur 4.66 2. Hira Cement Works, Baraarh 3.78 3. K.alinaa Cement Ltd., Birmitrapur Commenced production receatly.

(b) As per information compiled by the Institute), the pre!ent status of ccm~t National Council for Cement and Building arade limestone deposits in Orissa are al Materials (till recently Cement Research follows :-

Reserves (Million Tannes) 51. No. District ~----~~-~-~-~~~~- Measured Indicated Inferred Total

90.45 111.11· 1. Koraput 10.33 10.33 1'3.00 2. Sambalpur 1'3.00 2.00 487.75 554.33- 3. Suadet,arh M.S8

12.33 731.20 818.44 ' Total R.es~rves 14.91

• PiPlr.. allO inClude tbt reserves of blast furnance ·Irlde 'and ste~llJlill shop ,rade Jime*one. W,ltrrn AIt;n,m' 144·

te)!' Industrial Promotion and Invest meat (b) The :reI evant" jnform.ti~ "is, riven

Corporation of Orissa have, been IraDt~ below: '. " aD industrial licence in March, 1985, to aet up a n:tinj cement plant at Sunderpur Year Number of employ ••. DiJt-rict of Orissa. In addition, they were recruit ed in various granted a letter of intent in D~cember, grades: 1983 for setting up another mini cement pl~nt in Koraput District of Orissa. 1982 4,211 (e) During the last three years, 6 ap- 1983 5,952 plications were received for setting up mmi cement plants in the State of Or issa. Of 1984 5,801 these applications, 4 were reject ed mainly for the reason that the State Government (c) The details are given below : of Orissa had not assured availability of S. No. a~bate raw .. material fol' the proposed Class of Post No. of officia is projects. appointed during: Multi-Nationals Produc.inc Soft 1982 1983 1984 Drinks 1. Officers 1,861 1,699 1,183 4850. SHRI CHINTAMANI lENA: Will the Minister OF INDUSTaY AND 2. Staff 2,350 4,253 4,618' COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: the number of multi-national comQanies Import of White Cement running their plants for producing soft drinks in India at present? 4852. SHRI YASHWANT RAO GADAKH PATIL : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE PROF. RAMKRISHNAMORE: MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- WilJ the Minister OF INDUSTRY AND PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI AR1F MOHAM. COMPANY AFFAIRS be pJeased to MAD KHAN) : None, Sir. state: (a) whether cement industry has urged Employe" Working in Oil and Natural Government to ban import of white Gas Coinmissiori cement;

48~1. SHRIMATI .lAY ANTI PAT. (b) if so, the details thereof; and OF PETRO· . NAIK: Will the Minister . \ LEUM be pleased to state: (c) Government's reaction thereto?

la) the number of employees in various THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Irades working in the Oil and Natural Gas MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM.. Commission ; . PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM·' MAIJ KHAN): (a) and (b) On e of the (b) the number of officials in various existing manufacturers of white cement has Il'ades given appointment during the last represented to Government to ban import three ~oar8 (year.. wise) ; and of white cement. (c) Improt of white cement bas not (cJ details the thereof 1 been authorised by the Ministry of Industry during 1984.85. and there it DO such pro- me MINISTER OF STATE (INDEP. posal und,er consIderation. at present. ENDENT CHARGE) OF THE MINISTRY OF "P£TR.OLBUM (SHRI 'NAWAL Industries set up in Baekwar4 area •. KISHORE "HARM'A): ~a) The number of emJ)llo,ect in various ,ar.a.dea wOlkioa in 4854.. PJtOF. P.J .. ,KVRIEN. ~ Will t~e Oil and Natural Gas Commits ion as the Minister or INDUSTRV ANI). CQM. OD 1 st January, 1915 wu 40,612. PANY AFFAIRS be pleased to stato : 14J !W""~" Answ,,.,-· VAISAI

(a) wb>otber Government· have given (c) tbe steps beinl taken b~ Govern- top priority for setting up jndustries in men t in this respect and Government'. backward areas; poHcy in regard to establishment of indUJe tries in tribal areas? (b) if so, the numb er of industries sct up in backward area~ in different States THE MINISTER OF STATE IN TMB duri~g the last two years; • MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM. P ANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARJF MOHAM. (c) the Dumber of persons provided MAD KHAN): (a) and (b) 19 Industrial with employment in those areas; and Licence appJic:ltj(\ns have been received from the Gujarat St[!1 c Government Under- (d) the details thereof? takings during the last three years for setting up various industries in the back- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE wMd l4fCUS of Gujarat. Their disposal p0- MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- sition is as under :- PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM. MAD KHAN) : (a) Yes, Sir. No. of applirations Disposal posl. tion (b) to (d) The number of Letters of Intent (LI), Industrial licences (lL) and 7 Letters Int. D.G.T.D. Registration issued for ~elljf1g of up industries in backward areas during the (:l1t issued year 1983 and 1984.is indicated below :- 8 Rejected

Year L.J. LL. D.G.T.D. 4 Pending Registrations ------_ .. _-". ---

1983 1055 1075 1155 The detail~ of the letters of intent are published by the Indian Investment 1984 1064 905 1 J 06 Centre in their "Mon1hly News Letter"; c{~pies of wh ich arC availabl c in the Par- Details of Letters of Intent, !ndu~trial liament Libr:lry. Licences and D.G.T.O. R cr istrations are published by the Inllkm Investment Centre (r;) The following incen1ives are avai- in their "Monthly. News Letter"; copies lable to entrcprcrenr<; f0r setting up indus- of which are available in the Pnrliament tries i.1 backward areas including tribal Library. Thc'1e are at various sfages of implementation. Statisf ics regarding em- areas of Gujar~lt :- ployment are not maintained. (a) Central Investment Subsidy

Setting up of Industri~s in industriallY (b) Concessional Finance Backwaud areas of Gujarat (c) Int·.'Trst subsidy to Engineer Entre- 4855. SHRI AMARSINH RATH- preneurs AWA: ·Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleaf;ed to (d.l Seed/Mardn Money Assistance state: (c) Fucilities for purchase of machi- (a) 'whether Government of Gujarat nery on hire purchase basis have sent any proposal to establish more industrieS' in Gujarat Sta te, particularly (f) Tax concession in the industrially bac.kward Districts and in Adivasi areas; (g) Consultancy for technical services

(b) if so, ,th~ detail$ of the vroposaJs; (11) Spccinl concession for nllc)e". and plant5. 147 Writ"" A,,'wtN . APIUL 30, 198' Wrllle'l A/JSWlr.s 14.

Reserwtion for Clindren of Ex-Ser- Naval Academy at Ezhlallal a . vicemen in EducatioD Institutions 4857. SHRI SURESH KVB.UP: 4856. SHRI SURESH KURUP: Will Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pJeased the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to to state : state : (a) whether the Gov·ernment of Kerala (a) whether the children of ex-service- have- handed over the land for the Naval men are given reservations in admission Acadtmy at Ezhimala ; to educational institutions ; (b) if so, the reasons thereof; (b) if so, whether Union Government (c) if so, when the Academy will bave isstled any guidelines to the State start functioning; .Governments in this regard; (d) the total expenditure expected (c) whether the Government of Kerala thereon; and are implementing these guidelines in the ca~e of ad 11 issions to the educational ins- (e) the nl!mber of cadets likely to be titutions; and admitted in the above Academy'?

(d) jf nOL the reMons therefor ? THE MIN]STER OF DEFENCE (SHRI THE ~lNISTER OF DEFENCE P.V. NARASIMHA RAO): (a) and (b) (SHRl P.V. NARASIMHA HAO): (a) Out of tOTa I requiremc.nt of 1000 hectares Scats are rec:;cr/eo for children of ex-.Scr- of land, 979.6498 hectares has since been vicemcnjDefcl1ce personnel in some States tak~n over and the umaining land is in for admbsion in professional institutions. the process of being taken mer.

(b) Ministries of Education and Health (c) and (d) The civi1 WOI ks ar e ex- and Family Welfare have requested the pected to commence aftlf the architect- ural features and designs are finalised and State/Union Territories from time to time to provide reservation of seats in the approximate estimates are prepared engincel'ingiprofessional/medica 1 institu- on the basis of the architectural drawings. The Academy is expected to start functio- t,ions for the wards of t hose Defence per- year~. sonnel killcd/disabl ed in warfhosti lit i es ning in about 6 An expenditure of Rs. 40 crores is for. as well as those killed/disabled in peace being catered time. Similarly Ministry of Labour have (e) A trai.ning load of 6uO c[\,,'ets and also written to State/Union Territories junior officers. with a growth potential to seats each for reserve some in ITI wards of upto 1000 train ees is being contem- of cx-Ser"icemen/~erving Defence person. plated. nel. Regarding Helicopters for Seismic (c) the the From available information Surveys by ONGC Government of Kerala have mad!! the following reservations for the wards of 4858. SHRI BHOLA NATH SEN: ex-servicemen/serv ing Defence person- Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be ne) :- pbased to stat c : ..

(i) Engineering 16 seats (a) Whether the Oil and Natural Gas Commission has taken steps or is contem- (ii) Medica) 8 seats plating steps to acquire helicopters for (iii) ITIs 15% seismic surveys;

(iv) Poly.t echnics 3 seats (b) If so, the details thereof 1 (v) B. Ed. 6 seats (c) the salient features of the offers (vi) L.L.B. 6 seats received so far by the Oil l!nd Natural Gas Commission from Helicopter maJlufa. (d) Does not arise. cturers; VA}SAKHA 10, 1907 (SAKA) Written An~werJ' .IS0 th~" '(d) offers which are considered LEUM be pleased 1·0 state Ihe details to be acceptublc to the Oil and Natura) of arrangemer.ts made for providing L.P.G. Gas Commission; and connections to the people in rural ureas in Bihar? (e) the steps taren/proposed in this rsgard 1 THE MJN1STER OF STATE OF THE THE MINlSTER OF STAlE OF THE MINrST~Y OF PETROLEUM (SHRf MfNISTI{Y OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): D

4863. SHRID.H. PATIL: WilJ the (c) whether there is great discontent- Mmister of CHEMICALS AND FERTILI- ment and resentment among the employees ZERS be pleased to state: working there ai a result of this policy of Government; (a) whether the Rashtriya Chemicals and Fertilizers Ltd. management ordered (d) w'lether the Unions of th~ employ.. complete overhaul of its plan. at Trombay ees working there ha ve submitted any (Bombay) in March, 1985; memorandum to him in protest aaainst this move; and whetber such type of plants require teaular over-hauling within certain dura- (e) if so, the details theleof and the tion; and reaction of Government thereto? <.

(c} if ~o, whea thi~ p'lant was due for THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI reaular ovcr-ha,u lina ? P.V. NARASIMHA RAO):, (a) No, Sir. THB MINISTSR. OF CHEMICALS AND f13t\ rrLlZSRS AND INDUST& Y AND

, .AecidcDts Ja Jaba1pur Proof Range THE MINISTER OF ~TATE OF THE 4865. SHRJ MOHANBHAI pATEL: MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS Will the Minister of DEFENCE b~ pleased (SHRI RAM NIW AS MIRDHA): (a) The to stato : information is given in the attached State. ment. (a) the number of accidents that took place in Jabalpur Proof Range during (b' Yes, Sir. Telephone connections J 982 .. 83, 1983·84 and 1984·85 ; in deserving cas eJ can be sanc tioned on out-of-turn basis on the merits of the case. (b) the detai Is of ex-gratia payments made to the kins of the families affected (c) Details are furnished in the attached in those accidents; and statement.

(c) the steps being taken by Govern- (d) Recommendation of Members of ment to cnsur e that such accidents do not P"rl iament for according priority for p~o. occur in future? vision of telephone connections is given due THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI consideration. P .V., NAR \SIMHA RAO): (a) No acci- dent has been reported in Long Proof Statement R;\nge, Jab~Lll'ur during 1982·83, 1983-84 and 1984·85. Demands for telephone connections from folloWinb organisations/institutions/ (b) The Madhya Pradesh Government individuals are registered in speCial cate. have notified the Range as a "prohibited gory in 'OYT' and 'Non-Oyrl schemes area", the entry to which is illegal and after necessary documents are furnished. punishable, th~ qucsti'.Jn of making ex- gratia payment, therefore, does not arise. (a) OYT·SPECIAL CATEGORY

(c) The Madhya Pradesh Government· 1. Government Departments; have been advised, frl1m time to time, to i1tensify the police patrol to prevent tres .. 2. Public Undertakings & Statutory passing into the Range area, and also to bodies; educate the villagers against the hazards 3. Joint Sector Undertak ings where involved in entering into the Range arel. Government interest is more than 50% ; [English] 4. Retired senior officers of Public Sector Undertakings; SanctioD of Telephone under S(Jecia1 Category and Special Cases 5. Foreign exchange earners; 6. LPG gas distributors; 4866. SHRI N. DENNIS: Will the Minister of COMMUN(CATIONS be plea· 7. Entrepreneurs in Free Trade sed,to state: Zones; 8. 100 export oriented units; (a) the l1~rms and ,-onditions and pro- % cedure laid down by his Ministry for sanc- 9. Privat e schools and colleaes ; tion of tolephones under special category 10. Cinema Halls and Hotels; and or in special cases; i (b) whether educational, socia) cultural 11. Non-resident Indians and fore- orpnisations, religious institutions and ign nationals of Indian origin on volunteer organisations are eligible for repatriation. jf they surrender telephones under speCial category and on 2000 USS throu.h Reserve Bank of India or a natiotAalised priori t)' basis ; baok. (0) if so, the details in this reaard ; and (b) cNON.OYT.SS' CATEGORY"

> (4) whether Government would also ·Uke/propG. to live priority as per recom· 1. ·foreiJn missions and ,'Emba, .. JllAdaliOlll af Mcmbort 01 Par Ii_opt 1 siCS i\JN Orpniaationa i '1 ~ S WrItten Answers Al>kIL 30, 1985 Written Amwers t S~'

2. MPs. MLAs. MLCs, Municipal (a) the' names of the cities in ~amiJnadu Councilors, Metropolitan Coun .. where cooking gas facilities arc proposed ci loIS and Members of Canton- to be provided duriug the next lWO years ; ment Board; a'nd 3. Distinguished per:,ons as "indica- (b) the total number of eWes in TamH- ted in the Warrant of Prece- nadu which would have this facility? dence ;

4. Retired senior officers of Centra I THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE and State Gove!nments ; f'vUNlSTR Y OF PETROLEUM (SHR[ NA WAL KISHoRE SHARMA): (a) S. Director General of Govern- Marketing Plans of the Oil IndustrY for ment Research Councils, Dircc- opening new LPG distributorships are pre- tors of National Laboratories, pared on a year-to-ycar basis. The plan Vice-Chancel tors of Universities for 1985-86 has not yet be~n finalised by on rctircnH.'nt ; and the Oil Irdustry. 6. Retired doctors, if they have (b) Does not arise in view Of (a) above. not obtained telephone connec- tion in Non-OYT-Special cale.. gory earl ier. Passing of Vital Information about India to Pakistan Received 'hl'Ough US Satellites (c) 'NON·OYT-~PECIAL' CATE- GORY 4868. SHIH MAHENDRA SINGH : Wil1 the Mini~ter of DEFENCE be pleased 1. Doctors hOlding recognised to state: degree or diploma, Qualified nurses & rcgisteled midwives, (a) whether U.S.A. h~s bt.!en passing on Naturopath_, and PhYSlOth era- to Pakistan vitaJ information about our pists ; country obtatned through its satellites; and 2. . Registered N~wspap.:rs, Jour .. nals & Mag;l:dnes, l.{egistL'red (b) if so, the dcta ils of the preventive news agencies; steps Governme It have taken or propose to take in this regard '! 3. Accredited Press correspondents and press photographel S ; T,HE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI P.V. NARASIMl-IA RAO): (a) Govern- 4. Public ins! itutions (run by pub lie ment have no confirmed information in this funds); rcgard.

s. Small Scalt; industries; (b) GoverlllDcn t take into account all 6. Government schools and col e- d~velopments impinging on out security ges ; and take appropriate measures for safe- guarding it. 7. Freedom fighters ; Activities of Sri Lanka in S{)uthern Water 8. Recognised trade unions with a membcnbip of atleast 2000 4869. SHRI MAHENDRA SINGH: members; Will tho Minister of DEFENCE be pleased ". Lelal Aid Committees; and to state: 1'0. Eminent persons. (a) 'whether it is a fact that the activi- ties of Sri Lanka have made' the situation delicate in Southern Waters. of the country; Cooldna Gas Faellitle. in tamil Na~u and 4867. SHill N. DENNIS: Will the 'Ministor of PBTROLEUM be p'leased to (b~) if 80, the details of tbe steps.,tl'lat ,ta~c ; aro btinl' takon,by,Ooveroraeot t9ltreq- , , 1" ·Wrltt,,. Answers VAlSAKHA lOt 1'07 ($AKA) Writtln MSW'" J58

then and streamline the Coast Guard Ffnsodal 8ssi.tsbCe to colr ...try Orsanisation? In Kerala

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI 4871. SHRI T. BASHEER : WiJl· tht P.V. NARASIMHA RAO) : (a) Yes. sir. Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state the quantum (b) In keeping with its development of financial assistance given to coir industry plan,. th~ Coast Guard is being progressively in KeraJa under the rebate scbeme on sale streo,thened and streamlined by the induc~ of coir products during the last year? tion of sophisticated ships/surface vessels and aircraft, including fixed wing aircr aft THE MIN1STER OF STATE IN THE as well as helicopters. Inductions as p~r MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM. this plan are sought to be acce~erated PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM" wberever possible. MAD KHAN) : Under the Coit Board"s scheme of "Rebat e on sa} e of coir products Operational and Cost Audit on all Industries in India"', a rebat.! of 20 %was allowed 4870. SHRI VISHNU MODI: on the sale of hnndloom coir products SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL : during the year 1984-85. The expenditulc on account of this scheme was to be shared Will the Minister of INDUST RY AND between the State Governments/Union COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleused to state: Territories and the Coir Board: An amount of Rs. 1 J.39 Jakhs was granted in (a) wl}ethcr there is the need for intro- the year 1984·85 as rcbide to the custo- duction of operational and cost audit on mers on the sale of such products includ- continuous basis in all the industries imme- ing those from KtJra}(l. diately in view of the present day concept of increlsing productivity and efficie~cy in Constructi9D of Slaff Quarters in Ori... · aJl industries, since the objective of impro- P & T Circle ved productivity is not served ctTeclively by internal audit system which is oniy another ,4872. SURI CHINTAMANI PANI .. off-shoot of financial audit; and GRAHl: Wlli the Minister of COMMU .. NICA TIONS be pleased to state; (b) if so) the rcallo,s for which opera- tional and cost uudil is not being introdu- (a) whether Government are aware of ced by Government for every in~ustry the shortage of staff quaners at Bhubanes .. involving huge capital which is contIlbuled war, Orissa ; by public financIal institut ions and banks in large proportion '? (b) if so, whether provision has been made in 1985-86 budget for construction THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of more quarters at Bhubaneswar and vari· MINISTRY or INDUSTRY AND COM- ous other places in Orissa p&r Circle in PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI AR1F MOHAM- 1985·86 j and MAD KHAN) : (a) and (b) Cost Audit under··the provisions of Section 233B of the (c) jf so, the details thereof? Companies Act can be ordered in respect of a company mll nufacturing a product for THE MINISTER· OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS f which Cost Accounting Record Rules have been prescribed under Section 209(l)(d) of (SHRl RAM NI WAS MII~DHA) : (a) the Companies Act. 33 industries have Yes, Sir. already been covered by the Cost Account- ina Record Rules and the coverage in this Teltcom regard is. beiog extended froni year to year. (b) and (c) At other places in Orissa As provided in section 233B ibid, cost Circle, 312 quarters are under varioua audit is ordered as and when considered stages of construction. Six telecom. .taff' necel~ary by the Central Government. quarters have also been plan~ed. Tho 'Operational audit J is not contemplated fast compl edon of these quarter.s 18 subject Wldcr the Companies Act •. to the availability of funds. APR.IL 30~' 1985. Wrltlen Answer, 16~ Postal (c) the reaSOD!\ for Dot buiJdina at the remain ing sites ; and (e) As per the departmental guide} i'1e'9 It places like Bhubaneshwar, the pel'\,; en .. (d) the reasons why the equipments tage availability _of department al quarters have been allowed to remain in unstable may,be upto 15 %of the total departmen- r :nted buildings? tal staff. In Bhubaneshwar 2S %of depart. mental staff are provided with quarters. THE MIN1STER OF STATE OF·THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (b) and (c) A provision has been made (SHRI RAM NIWAS MJRDHA): (a) in 1985-86 for construction of 10 quarters Number of sites acquired for telephone and in other places in Orjs~a. telecom. buildings since 1978 for a small, medium and large exchanges and staff CODstruttioD of Regional Telecom quart ers in tel ecom. eirel e Andhra Pradesh Training Centre Buildings in is SO. Hyderabad (b) (i) Number of building cons truc- 4873. DR. T. KALPANA DEVI: ted is 201. Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS (it) No. of cases of building drawings be plersed to state. approved ,md-cstirnntcs sanctioned includ- ing building under progress is 91. (a) the target date for the completion of the Regional Telecom Training Centre (c) and (d) As pcr rules, the cases for buildings, administrative ijostcls and c:~ss land acqui"ition are processed well in rooms in Hyderabad ; and advance of the Actual requirements. Fur- ther action for planning of buildings etc. ( b) wh en cOllstruction of buildings is taken as per 1 equiremenls and availabi· commenced and the reasons for delay? 1ity of funds.

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Policy for Allotment of Telephones MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATION (SHRI on out of turn Basis RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) and (b) The archetectural dra-wings for the RTTC building arc being prepared. Building 4875. SHRJ E.S.M. PAKEER con!;truction wi I be taken up subject to MOHAMED: Will the Minister of COM- plea~ed availability of funds. As such target date MUNICf\TIONS be to state: for completion of the building cannot be Indicated at lhis stage. The first phase of (a) the total number of telephones in the hostel buiJding has been completed. private and public sectors in T,'milnadu; and .

Construction of Telecom Buildings in (b) the policy for allotting telephones Andbra Pradesh . on out of t urn basis ?

4874. DR. T.· KALPANA DEVI: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS MINISTkY OF COMMUNICATIONS be pleased'to state : (SHRI RAM NIW AS MIRDHA): (a) It would not be possible t,o furni!h this infor- (a) the number of sitei for telephone mation as no record of telephones provided and telecom buildings acqu ired since 1978 in private and public sectors separately, is for small, medium and lar~e exchanges' and kept. staft' quarters in Telocom, Andhra Pradesh; (b) Permar,ent· te Jepbone convections (b) in bow many of these sit es (i) can be sanctlor.cd on Cllt .. cf·turn tasls to buDdinls have been con~tructed; nnd (it) provide trr.ffic lelief 1(1 hea"), ullt H, or buildinB~ plaos have been approved and due to an area ,hante in mu1ti·exchr~ge estim lle'l sane t ioncd ; telephone ~)steDl w)~en the. 'mtiill telephope~ VAISAKHA 10, 1907 (S.4KA) W,IIII" A"s~tr8 162' or its • cxternal extension' is involved in the THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE area transfer. Hcads of Telecommunica- MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI ' tion Circles and Telephone Distticts can NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (:I) and also sanction telephones in deserving cases (b) Oil Indus'ry conducts survey periodi .. on merits at their discretion from the cnl~y to identify loc4.tions in urban and 'OYT.SpcciaP and 'Non.OYT·SS' priority rural areas for opening new retail outlets categori eSt Other descrving Cases ~an be (~tro)/djeseJ pumps) b,ISC(': on the pres. sanctior.ed from the Headquarters Office cnb~d voJume·dis~arce norms. The loca- on out-of·tllrn basis. tions so identified are inc1t:ded jn the OH Jnduslry"s Marketing I>lun on a year-to .. year basis in a pha!=ed manner. According to Public Telephone Booths in Metropolitan norms, 40% of new oullets are to be Cities opened in Tura I arc as as lo\\' cost outlets. Under the exbring guid~lincs'l 25 i~ of the 4876. SHRI E S.M. PAKEER. dcCJ Iel ships of tile OJ} comrades arc re5cr .. MOHAMEO : Will the Minister of COM· Vt~d for unempJoyed graduates MUNICATIONS be pleased to state the (u.a.). number of public telephone booths fune· (c) and (d) The Reserve B;:llk of India. tioning in the four mctropolttan cities? in con~ll)tatioJ\ with th~ Ojl Industry, has formulated a scheme for providinr. THE MINISTER OF S rATE OF THE finnncial MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS assistnncl' to the dca1n~/dhtIiblltOrs selee- teu under lhc Social Ohjcdivc Cattgorics (SHRI RAM N.J\VAS MIRDHA): 'Iht which indude 1h(' U.G. category. Under number of Public Telephones futlctionirg in this scheme, loans c~.n br gruntt'd by a)] the four mctropoJjliln lilies us on bot Public Sector (Na ti()Jl~ Ii~ed) Hanl; s on cor. .. · March, 1985 are given brJow : cl.:s~iollal ternlS both for working capital as well as term loan to lhe extent (11' 75 % of Bombay 6625 Nos. the tolal requirements. nro~l(lly, credit Calcutta .955 NOR. facilities can be gi'fcn for (I) purchase of stock in trade i.e. petrol, diesel and (ij) Delhi 3782 Nos. purchase of n1U1.:hinery/equipnit:nt for con- ducting the business nnd construclion of Madras 877 Nos. building. Some of these telephones have been pro- vided in booths, whit e others me without Ceilin~ on PfDsion of .ludges them. 4878. SHRI SOMNATH RATH ; Wi)) the Minister of LAW AN£) JtJ:-,TICE be Allotment of Petrol pumps to pleased to ~tate : Unemployed Graduates (a) whether Governmen t have consi. 4877. SHIH E.S.M. PAKEER dered the suggel'tion m~ldc by the Supreme MOHAMED: Will the Minister of PET· Court for removing the ceiling on the pen· ROLEUM be pleased to state : sion of Judges, while di~posin~ of a. wlit petition filed by a retired Jl.ldgr, of the (al the general policy for sanct ioning Delhi HiVh Court; and petrol pums in the cities and rural areas; (b) if so, what action Government (b) whether Government have Qny propose to take in this rel!ard ? s,~hemes. to allot petrol pumps to unemplo- Yed grad\.iates. if so, the details thereof ; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MIN1STRY 01,' LAW AND JUST1CE (c) whether Government propose to (SHRI H.lt. BHARADWAJ) : 'a) and (b) give a!lY fi~ancial aids to the entrepreneurs; Certified co'py of the Order deli vered by the Supreme Court writ petition by a~ in \he filed a retired JU~le of Delhi Higb Court. (<1) 'if so, the details. thereof? whertin the Supreme Court has maGe a 163 rfrJtlen A.IIS..,,'" APlUL 30, 1985 suggestian for removing the ceilinl on the "(a) wheth~r the Saria CORlnd'''ee ~p pens10n of Judges, is awaited. The tuages- Telecommunicatjons had recommended tbat don wi11 be e;J(amined on receipt of the there should be another un.it of tel CCOQl certified copy of the Order of the Supreme Rcseanh Celtre for external plant and that Court. it should be located in Hydorabad ;

Shifting Headquaters of Hlndustan (b) jf so, whether that recommenda. Fertilizers Ltd. from Delhi tion has been accepted. ; and

4879. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE (c) if so, the reasons for delay in PATIL: W:Il the Minister ofCHEMJ. setting up that re!"eatch unit '1 CALS AND FERTILIZERS be p1eased to slat c : THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (a) whether Government had taken a (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) and decision to locate the headquarters of the (b) Yes, Sir. eastern·bascJ public sector fertilizer lmits Hke Hindustan Fertilizers Ltd. in the (c) Tl1e protect for the setting up of eastern zone instead of in Delhi as at another TRC Unit for external plant at present Hyderabad has been sanctioned and the land also ear-marked at Hyderabad. (b) whether during the last three years some steps had also been taken in thi s Cons~ruction of Administrath'e Buildjn~s regard and if so, the details thereof; for General Managers, Telecom, And'lra Pradesil (c) where the malter rests at present ; and 4881. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS «(}) when the headquarters will be be pleased to f\1ute : shifted? (a) when the adminishative approval and expenditure sanction for the construc- THE MINI~TER OF CHEMICALS tion of the administrative building for the AND FERTIlJZERS AND INDUSTRY office of the General Manager, Telecom, ANn COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRJ Andhra Pradesh in Hyderabad was VEERENDRA PATIL) : (a) Yes, Sir. given; (b) to (d) A cell was set up by HFC in JIl!Y. 1979 in their Haldia Division office (b) the reasons for delay in the cons· at Calcutta for work connected with th(~ truction of bui Idings ; and shifting of their Heud Office from Delhi to Calcutta. The Corporation was lookin't for (c) the target date for the completion suitable accommodation for the ir office. of the buildings '1 Meanwhile, pending disposal of certain representations received by Government THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE against the shifting, the Corporation was MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS asked on 7.S.80 not to ma.ke any financial (SHRI RAM 'NIW AS MIRDHA) : commitments in this regard .. The company Administrative approval and expenditure did not proceed further with tbe arrange- sanction for construction of admn. build- ments. ing for the office ofO.M., Telecom., Andbra Pradesh Circle. Hyder abad was ,i\'CD is Reeommemlatlon of Sarin Committee July, 1981. 08 TelecoUllB_katiORI (b) The delay i1 the cOflstruction 1)f 4880. SHIU C. JANGA REDDY: Will buildioa is due to cbanae or ,He whicJa the Minister of cOMMUNICATIONS be necessitat·ed· chanle in tho structural pl eased to atato : dcsiSR et~. VAtSAkaA 10, i901 (S.4.KA)

(c) This. buildjol is likely to be com- [Translatioll ) pleted by the end of 1987 subject to the availability of resources. Opea'ng of new Telephone Ex challgcs in U.P. Development of Rurapbone 4883. SHRI HI\RJSH RAWi\T: 4882. SHRI 1;, JANGA REDDY: Will the Minis·cr of COMMUNICATJONS Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased (0 stat c : be pleased to state: (a) the number of telephone exchanges (a) when the devel0pment of RUTa- opened in AJmora, Pithoragrarh, Pauri, Chamoli and Tehri, the hil1 districts phone was taken up by the Telecommuni- of Uttar Pradesh since 1977 to date, cation Research Centre; yearwise ;

(b) Whether it has been acc~pted for (b) whether representations from the production and supply by Mis. Indian represcntat ivcs of people for open irg some more telephone exclwngcs in the Telephone Indu'itrics to. the P & T Depart .. aforesaid districts have been receiv~d by ment ; and the Department; and

(c) how many of these have been sup- (c) if so, whether keeping in view til e plied and what is their performance? gcograph ical conditions and implirlance of telephones in these areas, the income is THE MtNISTER OF SrATE OF THE likely to be made t he criterion for judging the social need to open ~uch telephot~e MINISTRY OF corAMUNICATIONS exchanges? (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) Such a development work was taken up THE MINISTER OF ST A'T E OF l'H E by the R&D Unit of M .:ssrs. Indian Tel e- M[N[STR Y OF COMMUNfCATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) The phone Industries, Naini, in 1974. informlltion is given in the Statement attached, (b) The design had to be modified to meet the requirement of the Department (b) Yes Sir, of Telecommunications and the mOdified (c) Small aU10matic exclwnges of 25 version has been accepted for trial pro- Jines can be opened 'II a place if there IS duction and supply by Messrs, Indian a minimum dem:lnd of 10 and the revenue e~pcndjture Telephone Jndu~t ries. is 40% of af1nu?J recurring simi larly 50 lines and 100 Jines exchanges can be opened if the demand is 23 and (c) 10 terminals of nlodtfied version 46 and revenue is 60 % and 70% of have ;"een recehed in the Department so annual recurring expenditure respec~ively. far for field tria I. Thus small ex('han,es in rural area can be opened on subsidised baSis. Statement

L'Jetniis of Exci1(J,nges Opelled in Hill Areas in U.P • from 77 onwards-Dlstrict .. wlse

Year Name of District No of exchanges opened

77-78 Almora

78-79 Pi thoragal' h 1 Tehri 2 79-80 Chamoli 1 80·81 Almora 1 Pithoragarh 2

Chamoli 1 . 81 .. 82 Almora 5 Pithoragarh Almora 4

Pithoragarh 2

CharnoH 2 Tehri

83·84 Almora 1 Chamoli 1

84·85 Almora 3

Pithor"garh 2 Tehri 1

Total 32

[English] (b) if so, the details of the help sought by Nepal for jndu~trja]jsjng that country; Help to Nepal for Indm;tria1isation and 4884. KUMARI' J>USHPA DEVI (c) the terms and conditions and agree- Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND ment signed by the two countries; if COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleaseu to any? state: TItE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF, INDUSTRY AND COM- (a) whether Government have a pro- PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM~ posal to help Nepal in the industriajisa· MAD KHAN) : (a) to (c) A Mem~l'ap· tiOll of that country ; QUal O( UnO"standina QU indu'trial QO" WrItten Answers i '0 operation between India and Nepal was Cost Audit of MIs Reliance TexffJes sigl1ed in September. 1978. A number of Industries Ltd. projectCII were identified for cooperation. The Memorandum of Unuclstandin~ pro- 4886. SHRI SANT KUMAR MAN- vided for making arrangements for train- OAt: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY ing of Nepalese entrepreneurs and officials AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pJea~ed to both in Nepal and in India and grants for state: Project studies and credit for the purcha)c of clpitll go')Js for the de/clopment of (a) whether in vi ew of the phenome- the SmaH Scale Indu.trie., in N~pal. The nal growth of Raliance Tc"tile Industries most important project identified in tl,e Ltd., Bombay and it having deolared a Memorandum of Uilder,~tandillg is the gross profit of Rs. 95 crorcs for 1984, egtablishment of a mini cenl~nt plant in Government have ~t any stage considered . that country, th~ vi.lbility of which i'i b.;- the de:)irabiJity of ordering a cost-audit jng examined. of its manufacturing cost~ to ensure that some of the benefit is passed on to consu- Price of control 011 PCitticides mers also instead of the cnt ire profits being cornered by the Company; 488'5. SHRI N. VENKA.TA RATNAM: Will th~ Mini~ter of CHE\HCALS AND (b) if not, the reasons fhelefor ; and FERTILIZERS be pleased to state : (c) whether Government propote to (a) whetller the Bureau of Industrial consider it now'? CO'its and Price:i W4l" formed by Govern .. ment to examine 'the feasibility or other- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE wise of impo5ing a statutory price control MINlSTR Y OF INDUSTRY AND COM .. On pesticides; PANY AFFAIRS (SHRl ARIF MOHAM· MAD KHAN) : (a) to (c) Cost Audit under (h) whether any report has been sub- section 233 B of the Companies Act can mitted by the Bureau; be ordered in respect of a company manu- facturing a pradu,,! for whkh Cost (c) jf so, th c main recommendations Accounting Record Rules have been thereof; prescribed under sub-clause (d) of sub .. section (1) of section 209 of the Com- (d) if not, the reasons for delaY; and panies Act. Mis Relianl:e Textile Indus- lries Limited are engaged in the manu· (e) the steps, jf any, taken to obtain factuf-e of the following three major the report early as the !lex t agricultural products: sea"on is due to start shortly? (i) Cotton Textiles THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND FERfILIZERS AND INDUSTRY Hi) Polyester Spun Yarn and fabric AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI (i ii) Chemicals, VEERENDRA PATJL) : (a) to (e) The Bureau of Industrial Costs and Prices Cost Audit was ordered;n respect of examines the cost and prices of those the product viz. 'cotton textiles' for the items which the Govcrnml.!ot may yeaTS ending 31.12.80 and 3 L \ 2.82 and refer and is not confined to pesticides the cost audit reports did not disclose alone. Government have asked the Bureau high profitability in respect of this pro- to, study the co~t price structure of techni .. duct. As regards. polyc."ter spun yarn cal grade pe;;ticidcs/pesHcides, formulations. and polyester fabrb being manufactured by 'rlio Bureau is stud}iog the matter and the the company, the maintenance of t report bas not yet been submitted. The 90s Accounting Records have been prescrtbed study inv.olves obtainina data from the w.e.f. 8th December, 1984 by an amend- pesticide industry .and subsequent thereto ment to the Colt Accountiol Recorda c~pil~tiOD ,a~d 'cl'aaminati9D of tho (Cotton 11ltilol) auJ.,. SiD~ one 'C()ItII , '~\a. ' , l' .1 Writt'll Ans.wer8 Al>ktL 30, t 98~' . JPrltten Answtrot i ';2 plete yenr has not elnpsed after the Government upto 1980. ,1,76,942 Soh. notificat ion of the amendment, cost audit du led Tribes and C.astes have been bene- ca'1not be orJered at present in respect fited during 1980-81 h) 1983·84. of these products. As regards, manufac .. ture of chemicals, these products have not (d) Preferential treatment is given by been covered by Cost Accounting R~Cl)rd the DIes to the Sehedukd Tribes aDd Rules under section 209(1) (d) of the Castes in providing infrastructure and Companies Act and so cost audit cannot other sqpport services. be ordered. Plan for l)evelopnlent of Navy District Industries Centres in Tribal Regions 4888. SHRI G.G. SWELL: Witl the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to 4887. SHRI GJRIDHAR GOMANGO: state : Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to (a) whether certain interests inside and state : outside the country arc try;ng to give an indoccntricity dimension to the Indian (a) whether· his Ministry had asked Navy and thus seck to hamstring and the States to provide District Industries hobh] e its development; and Centres in their tribal regions initially when this new scheme was started; (b) the names of those intl.!rest ?

(b) if so, State-wise nrcs function ing THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI in tribal areas and the role played by them P.V. NARAS1MHA R~O): (a) and (b) to provide the benefits of the schemes The Indian Navy j, beirg developed to and programmes ~o far; meet foresccuble threats 10 the Nation's sovereignty and integrity. Its development (c) the number of Scheduled Tribes plan, therefore, cat ers for any contingency and Castes of tribal populated districts of in which the Nation's security is threaten- Oris!o!a benefited by DIes since the start· ed at sea, and in doing so it takes account ing of the Cent res; and of the acquisition plans of littoral coun. tries. The sole interest determining the (d) the guidance, the assistance and development of the Indian NaY') is the other infrastructural fa:iHties provided by Nation's interest. the DICs and the Government of Oris-;a for Scheduled Tribes and Castes in this [ Translation 1 realrd 1 Big Industries in Mabarashtra THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- 4889. SHRI VILAS MUTTEMW AR: PANY AFFAIRS (3HlH ARIF MOH\M· Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND MAD KHAN): (a) The State Govern .. COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased Lo ments were initially asked Lo provide state : District Industries Centres in all the districts of the ~ountry which also cover (a) the names of the big industries i.J tribal regions. respect of which the proposals of the Maharashtra Government are under consi- (b) 397 e~i~tini .DICc; cover 410 dist- deration of the Union Government; ricts in the country under the District Indust. rie·s Centres Progra.mme including tf ibal areas (b) the proposals, out of them, for which. provide motivational and support which prov ision has been made in the ICrvi.:es to the entrepr "neur! .. Seventb Five Year Plan;

(e) No information regarding benefi .. (c) whether the Union Government ciaries belonaina to Sc~duled Tribes and prQP.)8t to set up any big indUstry ht 'fat·os was ooHe-cted by tho CQIltr.1 Garbchiroli district of· MabaraSblra WQI 1'13 W"ltt,,, Answfra VAISAKHA 10, 190" (SAKA) Wrltt'1f Anaw,,, 114

is a ·no-indultry and' adtvas i district; THE MINISTER OF 8T ATE IN TH!' and MINISTR.Y OF INDUSTRY AND COM., PANY AFFAIRS (SHl{l ARIF MOHAM. (d) it so, the details thereof and if not, MAD KHAN): (a) to (c) The Workios the reasons therefor? Group on Paper and Paperboard and Newsprint Industry ror the Seventh Plan set up by the Planning Commissbn has THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE inter-alia suggested that newsprint distri. MINISTRY OF )NDUSTRY AND COM- but ion of both the imported and indige- PANY AFFAJRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM. nous variety be placed under one agency MAD KH.\N) : (a) Four Industrial instead of leaving it to the individual mil)s Lieence applications from Mahara- as we1l as State Trading Corporation of India shtra State Government Undertakings , to supply diH'ctly against the authorisations are pending consideration. As a by Registrar of Newspapcr~ of India. matter of policy the details of pending The sugge,tion is yet to be: discussed by applications are not divulged 1n the Parlia- the Newsprint Advhory Committee to ment Hnu~,e. enable Government to lake a finaJ view in the matter. (b) It would be for the Government of Maharashtra and the undertakings to on Mills in Madhya Pradesh provide the fund~. 4891. KUMARI PUSHPA DEVl : (c) and (d) The Central Investments Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND are primarily in large industrial projects COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased ·to of a basic character. The location of such sta te : project has, therefore to b~ decided on broad techno-economic considerations. It (a) the number of oil mills set up in has been the policy of the Government Madhya Pradesh; that subje:ct to the,e considerations com- paratively backward regions are given (b) the ]ocation of those oil mil Is; preference in the location of Central Pro- jects. There is no proposal, curre'~tly (c) whether Government have received under consitler~(tion, to set up an industry applications to set up new oil mills in tha t by the Union Government in G'\dchiroli. State; and

[English] (d) whether his Ministry will permit the applicant to set up oil mills in back- Suggestions made by Ex.pert Group ward districts only 1 on paper and NewsprJnt THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM· 4890, SHRI B. V. DESAI: Will the PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAM· Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY MAD KHAN): (a) and (b) 20 Indus- AFFAIRS be pleased to state; trial L icen~e~/LetteN of Intent have since been issued for locating oi) mills in Madhya (at) whether one agency system for Pradesh. The detai1s of proposals such the newsprint distribution has been recom· as, location, capacity. Dame of the appli- mended by the Expert Group on paper cant llc. agaiast which Industrial Licensesl and newsprint; Letters. of Intont iasued are regularly' pub- Jished- in the m'onthly newsletter publishe .. ,. (b)' tho suaestions madt by the Work .. by the Indian Investment Centre, tbe cod iq. Group; and pies of which are a \taiJabJe in tbe Parlia. " ment Library. (C),'~o, wha,t extent G~>ve.rnment have alt_": ao4 ,a140 tb,c steps p':0po.fd to be (c) N,o Industrial Licence appli~ takm during the SevetUb Pla·n periOd in under the proY is ions (If lr:dlJ:stritS (pove tbia'taard? lopment A .R,c.aJation) .Act,: 19S! ror~. Wrltt,,, A.m'w/rs 1'5 ,APRIL SO, 198' Writttln AnsWt1,s 11 ~

the grant of Letters of Intent for setting Obtaining safety knoll'·how an4 equip .. up of new oil mills in that State are pend- ment by Union Car hide India ing consideration of the Government. LimIted (d) Preference is given for setting up 4893. SHRI SURESH KURUP : Will of Industries in the Backward District. the Min;stcr of lNDUSTRY AND COM. PANY AFFAU~S be pleased to st&tte : Setting up of Reftnery at Karnal, (a) whether it i~ a fact that the GoV'ern. Haryans ment had asked Onion Carbide India Limited to obtain safety know-how and 4892. PROF. Y. S. MAHAJAN : equipment for tackling fire a~cidents and Will the Minister of PETROl EUM be SUdden gas Jeleases in 1983; pleased to state: (b) if so, whether they complied (0) the progress regarding the setting with if; and tlP of a huge refinery at Karna) in Haryana, the proposal for which wa~ cleared in (c) if not. whether Government had 1984 and an expenditure of Rs. 3 cror es taken any staps to get the directions had already bl.'cn inclIfrcd for the purchase implemented '! of ,land; THE MINJSTER OF CHEMICALS (b) whether Government have taken AND FERTILIZERS AND ]NDU~TRY n decision reg(lrding the country from AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VEE- where the hydro-cracked and hy- RENDRA PATH,,): (Ii) to (c) The requi. drogen plant for this refinery is to be sil e informati(m jli bt:ing coJjecled and purchased since a number of offi ;;iaJ de- will be laid On the Table of the House. legations have already vj~lted USA and Western Europe to make an on the spot Produ~tfon and Consumption of study of such plants; and Alcohol

«c) if so, when the plant~ are likely 4894. SHRl BALASAHEB VIKHE to be import ed and install cd and the re· PATH,: Will the Minister of CHEMJ. finery is J:kcly to be commjs~ioned '] CALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (a) the tota 1 requiremel1t of alcohol in MINI~TRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI the country, lhe total consumption and the NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) The shortfall. jf nny, during the hst three years, Karn[ll Rf'fineT,Y Wl!S approved by the year·wise ; Government on 28.9.84 and 3.46 crores has been incurred towan1s acqui~itlO 1 of (b) the steps being taken to encourage 1247 acres of Government land and de- the prodution of alcohoJ ; posit for acquisition of prival eland. (c) whetber the indthtry has requested Government to suitably revise the price (b) The offers received from various of alcohol and brjn~ down Central Excise licensors for hydrocracker have been eva· duty on mola~ses ,0 help the industry to luated and 'necessary clarifications obtain- sustain the losses. if [lny ; and ed by discussion' with 1icensors as well as vi~it~ to the operation plants. The re.. (d) if so, Government's reaction in commendations for selection of licensor this regard? for supply of know·how and process de- sign are under examination by Indian Oil THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS CorporatitJn. AND FERTILIZERS AND lNDUSrRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VBBa. (c) If adequate plan funds are avalla- ENDRA PATIL) : (a) The total avaIlability

ble the refinery is expected to be mecha- anU consumption .of alcohol durma t the nically complet~d by September. 1989 la~t 3 alcohOl years (Decembe"""-Nov.berJ an,d commissioned thertaftor. bas' been AS foll()W8 :- '" ." , 1" ."'rl't'" AMwll'8 VAISAKHA 10, 190'/(SAI'A) Wrltttn AMWe" 1;.

Alcobol year Availability Un lakh Consumption (Qfy. Surplus (+)/ . Jitred in lakh litr es) Deficit (-)

1981 .. 82 5499.98 5047.84 (+> 452.14 1982 .. 83 5767.04 5475.09 <+) 291.9' 1983·84 6051.12 5913.45 (+) 137.67

(b) In order to iml'rov~ the availability Power Projects taken Up' by BHEL of alcohol as feedstock for alcohol based In Libya and other conn tries industries, the State Governments have 4895. SHRI HARIHAR SOREN : been requested (i) to ensure that all avai .. Will the Ministc-r of INDUSTRY AND ]able molasses are gainfully used; (ii) COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to to en;;oura~e the use of Khandsar i molasses state: for alcohol production: and (iii) to ensure creation (by sugar factories) of adequal (~ (a) whether the Bharat Heavy EJectri- and proper storage facilities for molal\<;{,s. cals Limited has taken up some power The Government hnd al~o set up a Com- projects in Libya and other counlril S ; mittee of technical experts to examine th e efficitncy of alco,",ol production, improve .. (b) if so, the number of pow!r pro- ment to technology for fermentation. fuel jects taken up by the Hharat Heavy Electrj. conversion and promotion of alcohol-based cnls Limited in those countries whi,:h have, industry. The report of the Committee, been completed ~o far: submitted to Government in January, 1980, (c) whethey many countries are inter- was commended to the State Government eskd (0 set up industry in tho~e countreis and distiJIery industry. In addition, three with BHEUs assistance; and Wotking Groups, namely, 1he Working (d) if so, the step; taken to undertake Group on levies on molasses

(c) and (d) The All India Distillers' (d) BHE!. have been providing consul. Association had suggested for revision of tancy services for feasibility studies and evaluation of bids. BHEL have provided prices of alcohol. The AlJ India Alcohol- services for the op~ration and maintenance based Industries Develo1)ment Association of projects already completed as also for had demanded the waiving of Central Ex .. equipment supplied by other cotmtries. In addition they have been keeping a cise on molasses. The Bureau of Duty watch on prospective projects. Industrial Costs and Prices have llnder .. Direct Dialliaa FacUitles from Northern taken a study of the cost structure of Kerlla to Gulf Countries prices of molasses and alcohol aQd have 4896. SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMA .. submitted a report on revisiQn ~r prices of CHANDRAN: WiJJ the Minister of mola.a 8tld alooh·ol. . The examination of COMMUNICA TlON$ be pleased to the rOport ii.io ptPltcss. st,te : Writltll .•~,< 1" ' ' " , ' An.rw"

(a) whether there is any proposal to (c if so, the detaUs thereof; and ~ improve the facilities at Badagars Tele- ',l~~one Exchange in Kerala in vi,ew of the (d) if not, the reason therefor, ? increase in demand for new telephone connections; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM. (b) whether keeping in view the fact PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARtF MOHAM. that thousands of Keralites living in gulf MAD KHAN): (a) to (d) A suggestion countries hail from Northern Kerala, to the effect that the Cem~nt Corporation Government propose to extend, direct may set up twa one-million tonne cement . , . dailling facilities from Northern Kerala plants-cDe at Shambhupura nnd another to Gulf co~ntries ? at Bundi in Rajasthan has been received. As the Seventh Plan outl~.y in respect of THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE the Cement Corporation ha!l not yet been 'MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS finalised, no final decision jn the matter (S'HRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) has yet been taken by the Government. Badgara exchange at present is a 900 line MAX II exchange. A 200 line equip- [English] ment for expansion of the existing exchang~ has been allotted in 1985.. 86 supply proM Manufacture of .Jf)Jy fined Cables gramme. The exchange is likely to be expanded at the end of 7th Plan. 4898. SHRI MAHABJR PRASAD YADAV : Will the Minister of INDUS- (b) International Trunk Exchanges at TRY AND COMPANY AFFr\TRS be Ernaku1am and Triv~ndrum have facilities pleassed to state: of direct Iy dialling calls to Gulf countries as well as many other countries. These (8) whether Government h~l\e issued In.erna tiona1 Trunk' EXchanges connect any letter of intent for manufacture of -calls rrom all parts of Kerala; South as Jelly fiJled cable to Bih1r Stat e El ectronics well as North. Development Corporation; and

Provision of an International Exchange tb) if so, the details thereof? at Calicut is also under consideration. THE MINISTEK OF SEATE IN THE [Translation] MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM. PANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD Setting up of Cement Factories in KHAN) : (u) and (b) Yes. Sir. Mis. Bihar Rajasthan for proper Utilisation State Electronics Development Corpora- of Deposits of Limestone tion have bt.-en granted Jetter of intent No. LI: 880 (81) dated .31.12.1981 for 4897. SHRI VISHNU MODI: Will the establishment of new Undertaking in the Minister of INDUSTRY AND COM· a Backward District in Bihar State to PANY AFFAlRS be pJeased to state: manufacture 5 lakh CKM per annum JeJly filled cab)e~. The Letter of Intent (a) whether, with a view to achieving is valid upto 30.6.1985 (as extended). balanced economic regional development Foreign Collaboration application of the of Rajasthan through expJoration of natu· company has been cleared and F.C. ral resources, the State Government sub- agreement with MIs. AEG-Tt-1efunken of mitted any proposal or sU88estfon to Union West Germany has been taken on record. Government for setting up of more as well as big cement factories for propei 12.00 brl. utilisation of the rich dePosits ,of lime- stone, there; [Translation]

(b) if' so, whether Government bave SHltI , VIJOY K.UMAR 'YAf)'\V considered any proposal (or ,rantinllice- (NALANDA) : Mr. Deputy Speaker.' -Sir, nc,e$ for tbcle bia cement factom. '. 1 bave liven a caltini Attention' N'otiee. I , I, ... Wrlttelf A"swe~s' i I .,'::t; ;'~Il

1n Bihar there is a, arave criSIS of drink- tbat the bomb was kept there. Th~refor~,~ ing water. and parlieulary the Harijtns in I would like a thorough enquiry into the' the villages are 'racing a serious Problem. matter. Tharefore, I have given an ad. Many people are on the venle of dying of journment motion, on thiS. Please accepl thirst. Simila~ is the fate 'of the animals. the ad.iournment motion. (Interruptifms). I, therefore, request the Central Govern. AI) those who had accompan i cd him, ment that they should pay immediate atten .. had a fear. Therefore, it is a fair demand tion to the problem and give special as .. that an enquiry be instituted ,.into this sistS\nce to Bihar. My constitunency episode so that the facts may come out. Nalanda and its adjoining districts are If you cannot accept my adjournment' facing an aCULe drhking water pro- motion, p!ease direct the Home Minister blem. to make a statement on the matter. [English] MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER : It is not. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I shall consider it. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: There is a PresidenUs rule there. PROF. MA.DHU DANDAVATE (RAJAPtJR) = First I would suggest to MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: It is not you that )Ou should give a directive in for adjournmnet motion. You have given this regard. It concerns an ex·MP. I have a notice for calling attention glso. I will been reliably told and therefore, I have consider it. given a motion. On 20th AplIil 1985 at Ludhiana one of the former Members of PROF. N. O. RANOA: He did not Lok Sabha i.e. Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee, foHow the advice of the police. He is . was proceeding from Pathankot to suce an irresponsible man. Ludhiana to address a public meeting. When his car was passing through Ludhiana, PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE Punjab, Superint end ent of Police and his Please do not expunge what Prof. Ranga team warned him not to go through the has suggested because that would support bazar, better by-pass this particular area my motion. and go by some other route. But since they had some reception arrangement PROF. N. G. RANGA: Shrj Atal they went through the bazar. They went to ~jhari Vajpayee had no business to ~o the public meeting. The public meeting throu~h th-e bazar when the police ha d was held and when the public meeting was instruct ed him not to do so. completed, through the same bazar area Shri Atal Dihari Vajpayee and others [Trandation] tried to go back. Just when they passed through, within 1 S minutes a very power· SHRI RAM PY ARE P ANIKA ful bomb exploded in which a boy died. (ROBERTSGANJ) : Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, pr~sentJy, in many parts of the PROF. N. G. RANOA (GUNTUR) : country, the scarcity of drinking water That means the Police had forewarned has created a serious situation. 1, there- him. fore, request that you may direct the Housins Ministry to take immediate PROF. MADHU nANDAVATE: action in this ~ regard. Be~ides, the States That is what I am telling you. He is are not in a position to meet the ex- right. Prof. Ranpa has got my point penses because of resources constraint. and that is the point of my adjourllment motion. You are right. The police [English] had forewarned him. (Interruptions) You are right ~ I am supporting you. MR. DEPUTY.SPEAKER : You siv.. lhe poilce had for.ewarned ,him not to a notice the:l we wi~l codsider. &0 thlOUlh tbat partioular area. That llleans, the police wOre aware of tho faet SHR.I RAM PY ARE PAN.K.A : I hav. .,: 1$ 3 Written Answers AplltL H. 1'98~ • • j

liven a Call Attention Notice, Sir. Kindly PROF. K. K. rSWARY: You will aCcept it. 11 is avery important ma tter. remember. Sir, that yott had promised to look into the Calling Attention Notice MR.' DEPUTY.SPEAKER : I will about the repotred arrest of PakIstani oonsider it. Please sit dOwn now. oommandos in Ppnjab. Today also there is a report that about 100 to 200 com .. [ Translation] mandos, fully trained by Pakistani army. have already Punjab and one SHRI GIRDHARJ LAL VY AS entered of (BHILWARA): Mr. Deputy Speaker, the assailants of Mr. Bhatia, an ex-Member of this Houee, has been caught. He has Sit. I also sUPI'0rt Shri Panika. There is a grave crisis of drinking wat er in made some very revealing st atemcnts Rajasthan. 1 have given a Calling Atten- and he has said that patt of this commando force has fanned out all over the country, tion Notice in this respect. I want that iacluding Delhi. So, there is danger to it should be converted into a notice under Rule 193 and discussion should be held the lives of VIPs. Therefore, in the 1ight on the subject. The hone Minister should of these oevelopments, 1 would like 10 make a statement so that proper drink- know whether you are directing the Home ng water arrangements could de made. Minister to make a statement in the House about this matter. [EnKli~hl MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: T will MR.. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: 1 have consid,r your Cal1 Attentjon Motion and taken your point and I will consider it. let you know afterwards ... PROF. K. K. TEWARY (BUXAR): ( Interruptions) Mr. Deputy Speaker, SIr, I am surpri~ed at the statement of Prof. Dandavate. The THE MINISTER OF pARLIAMEN. normal practice is that if there is any TARY AFFAIRS (SHRI H. K. L. apprehension of br each of peace or any BHAGAT): Prof. Madhu Dandavate, tension, the Police warns political leaders I would like to express our concern about and others to avoid going to such places. the incident waich took place near Shri I think to find fault with the 'police for Vajpayee"s meeting. This is reported in this warning to Mr. Vajpayce is absolutely the Press. We arc as much concerned unfound ed . • • (Interrupt iom;) about it and we would like the Punjab Government to fully investigate it and MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Prof take proper action. Tewary, it will become a discussion. I do not want any discussion on this. Please sit down . . . (Interrllptions). SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY (K. RISHNA- GIRl): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I hope PROF. K. K. TEWARY We have the House will join me in this issue. liven notices, Sir. Yesterday, there was a newsitem in the Hindustan Times that a statement was MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER What issued by Shiva Sena in Bombay demanding . notices ~ th;)t all the non-Marath is should quit Bomboy. r would like to know from the (lnter,.uptions) Don. Home Minister whether he will make a statement over this issue. It is a matter MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I do not of very serious concern and hence I in" want any discussion on this. . . • itially started by exprefisio8 hope that the whole House will Join me in this.' Sir (Interruptions) where are we living? I demand a state.. ment to be made by the Home Minister PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Let in this House •• .(Interruptions). him begin the discussion under rule 193 DOW, and I shall speak: OD this later ... MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER Mr. V",·rrlll,olns). ~mamU11l1'! if ,OU feel ~.,' Jt i8 ,. vorl urltnt matter, you give me a l1otice~ . DR. KR UPASINDHU DHOI (SAM.. will codsider it • '. • BALPUR) : Sir, I am on my lOIS.

(Inie rruptions) PROF. MADHU DA~DAVATE: Have you any Adjournm en t motion ? SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY (MAHBU .. DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI: No, BNAGAR) : Sir, the other day we di,· Sir. I have got the greatest regard for cussed the question of gas pipe lille contract. Shd Jaipal Reddy and Prof. Mndbu Now a new disturbing dimension has been D andavate. Prof. Tewary has made a added to it. On account of the decision very pertinent point because Prof. Madbu of the Government of India to award this Dandavate had made a jugglsry and an work on the basis of turnkey, the Govern. ornamental speech regarding the Pubnja. ment •.• (Interruptions). issue.

MR. DEPUTY.SPEAKER: No, no. MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: The we have already discussed this matter .. Minister has alreaey repHed to that. SHRT H. K. L. BHAGAT: I do not '( Interruption:,) accept the insinuations if they have been made by Prof. Dandavate. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: Japan has gone back from its offer of credit .. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : There is no insinuation. I only say since (Interruptions) they have warned that som e preparations. are be;ng made, I said an inquiry should MR. DEPUrY-~PEAKER : Mr. Reddy, be made into that. That is all. this has aIr cady be en d !scussed in th is House. You give in writing, r will con- [English] sider It .... ll.1Z brs. (lnterruptio1ls) ** PAPERS L~lD ON THE TABLE MR. DEPUTY.SPEAKER: I won't allow then. Please sit down ... Companies (Acceptance of Deposits) Amen. dment Rules, 1985, No1ificati.ons under (Interruptions) 1Ic* Companies Act, 1956, and IDdustr.le. (Development and Regulation) MR. DEPUTY.SPEAKER: Nothing Act, 1951 etc. will go on reccord. THE MINISTB~ OF STATE IN THE ( lntcrrupt/ons]** MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFfAIRS (SHIt( ARIF Mtt. DEPUTY-SPEAKER Mr. MOHAMMAD KHAN): I beg to Jay on Tewary, please sit. down. I am not allow .. the Table- lna him. (1) A copy of tbe Companies (Accep- SHRI SURBSH KURUP (KOTTA. tance of Deposits) Amendment YAM) : I would request you to please ask rtules, 1985 (Hindi and English versions) published in Notification the Home Minister to make a ~tatement on the reported move of the Shiv Sena. No. G.S.R. 286 (E) in Gazette of India dated the 19th March. MI.. DEPUTY·SPEAKER : Mr. Ram- 1985, under sub-section (3) of 642 amurthy has also referred to it and I have section of the Companies Act, asked him to Jive a notice. You aJso 1·956. live aao~e. (2) A copy or Notification No. G•. 5.a. • . %3( (Hindi and EOIJisb vet'lioQa) publish ed iD Ouoito of Iadia Arm "}O.·· 1;8.5', "

dated. the 2nd March, 1:985 de- (ii) S. O. 280 (E) publisbed in clarins 'Messrs Kandan Mutual Gazette of India dated" the 30th Benefit Fund Limited, Madras' to March, 1985 .regarding ext ension be a 'Nidhi' under section 620A of period of take over of manage- (1) of tbe Companies Act, 1956, ment of Massrs Lily Biscuit Com· under sub-section (3) of section pany (Private) L imit"ed and 620 A of the; said Act. Messed; Lily Bareey Mills (Private) Limited, Ca~eutta. [Placed in Library. See No. LT- beyond flve years. 817/85]. (3) A COpy each of the following (iii) S. O. 281 (E) published in Notifications (Hindi and English Gazette of India dated the 30th versions) under sub-section (3) of March, 1985 regarding exten. section 18AA of the Industries sion of period of take over of (DevelO1'ment and Regulation) Act, management ot Messrs Indian 1951:- Health Institute and Laborotory Limited; Calcutta, beyond five 0) S. o. 275 (E) published in years. Gazette of India dated the 29th March, 198 S regarding extension (Placed in Library. See No. LT- of pel'iod ot management of S1S/SS]. Messrs _~pollo Zipper Company Private Limited, Calcutta, be· (S) A copy of the Report (Hindi and yond five year s. Engltsh versions) under sec(icn 21 of the Monopolies and Restrictive- (ij) S. o. 279 (E) published in Trade . Practice., Act, 1969 in Gazette of India dated the 30th tbe caSe of Messrs Motor Indus- March, 1985 regarding ext en .. trios Company Limited, Banp- sion of period of take o\-er of lore for substantial expans ;00 in management of Messr~ Ol~conate the capacities of Multi Cylinder Limited, Calcutta, beyond th e Pumps and N07.z1 e Holders and the ytars. Order dClled the 10lh December. 1984 of the Central Government (Iii) S. O. 282 (E) published in Ga- together with an explanatory zette of India dated the .30th note, under section 62 of the March, 1985 regarding extension Monepolies and Restrictive Trade of period of take over of manage. Practices Act, 1969. ment of Messrs Associated In- dustries (Assam) Limited, [Placed in Library. See No. LT- Chandra pur ) beyond liver 819/SS]. ycars. Resent Bank of India Employees' Provl· 4) A copy each of the following dent Fund (Amendment) Regulations, Notifications (Hindi and Enalish 1984 and Amendment to Regulation \lersionl) UDder sud-section (2) 46 of PnnJab aad Sind Bank of section 18A of the Industries (OffIcers') Senice Regulations, (Development and Regulation) 1981, Act, 1951:- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ~i) S. O. 274 (E) published in MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI Gazette of India dared the 29th JANARDHANA POOJAR Y) : I bel to Marek, J985 rlprditll exten- Jay on the TabJe :- slon of period of take over of management of Messrs AJok (1) A COpy of the Re1erve Bank of U(lyOI Vanaspati and Plywood India Employees' Provident Fund Limited, Calcutta. beyond Iv.' (AmOndment) Rogulations, 1984 ""I. . (Hindi and EIl,Ulb vorsions)' uaior . sub-section (4) of sectiOD 58 of ,tlDt wirh our national objective&. lA, al. the Reserve Bank of India Act, most all major areas there are instit,. 1934. to train and explain to peraODS iD' tbOs. areas like for lAS Officers we hI" " the [Placed in Library. Sec No. LT- Academy in Mussorie. for Dor... 820/S5J. Officers we have the National Def'Dce Academy, Indian Military Aca", and (2) A copy of the Amendment (or the Taxation Offieers also there i, • to Regulation 46 of Punjab and training academy. However, for thole Sind Bank (Officers') Service connected with the judiciary tbere is no Regulations, 1982 regarding Ter- such institute. The Government should minal Benefits (Hindi and English set up an Academy of Judicial adlllioistra. versions) under sub-section (4) of· tion. This academy would train juda. section 75 of the Banking Laws at all levels and should conduct refresher (Amendment) Act, 1983. Gourses and in-service courses so that judges a tall )evels are able to remain io [Placed jn Library. See No. LT- touch with latest judiCial procedu1'I& aDd 821/85]. modern methods of judicial administration. Such an academy would conduct compul. Detailed Demands for Grants of fhe Depart. sory courses for judicial officers at aU ment of Culture for 1985.86 levels so that the judiciary is made a part of the national mainstream. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF PERSONNEL AND SHRI S. JAJPAL REDDY (MAHBUB- ADMINISTRATIVE REFORMS AND NAGAR) : I am on a point of order. CULTURE (SHRI K. P. SlNGH DEO) : I beg to lay on the Table a copy of the MR. DEPUTY.SPEAKER: He ,_ Detailed Demands for grants (Hindi and carrying on under Rule 377. English versions) of the Department of Culture for 1985·86. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : I am OD a point of order. fPlaced in Library. See No. LT- 822/85]. (In! erruptlons)

MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: H. is reading from the approved text. 12.13 brs. , SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : I am OD [Enelish] a point of order.

MATTERS UNDER RULE 377 MR. DEPUTY.SPEAKER : All riabt. \vhat is your point of order ? (i) Need to set up an Academy of Judicia I Administration to train ( Interruptions) Judges and conduct refresher eourse for tbern SHRI KAMAL NATH (CHHIND- WARA) : How can be raise a point of SHRI KAMAL NATH (CHWND· order 1 He does not kDow the rules. WARA) : Our Constitution has bestowed a major role on rhe judiciary in our SHit! S. JAIPAL REDDY: J 'a.e country's democratic set I QP. Tbe judici- read the rules for many more y..... H. ary bas a role t. play in India's 80~ial is workilll in industr, aad I am workiD. transformation aocl canDot be isolated in Leaislature. Therefore, I liDO. thl fr9Pl ,.~, national mainstream. It _lid ruJes. ! be the end'cavour'of aU of us to strtQJ· then tb" ,ju,dicjary and at the sam" dme My poiat of order is that under Ru), ouurc that the judicia,,'s' !rol e is cOD.ia- 8771 .~ 8~te11leQt .... APRIL '0, 1985 Matters Under Rule'm . t,'92

SHRI' KAMAL NATH: I have not SHRrs. JAIPAL REDDY: You have Completed. to' give' your ruling.

MR. DBPUTY·SPEAKER .: Let me MR. DFPUTY·SPEAKER : I am rur .. Jisten to his point of order. ing it ,out.

SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: Uuder Rule ( Interruptions) 377, no defama lory or insinuatory . . PROF. P. J. KURIEN : This is not a (Interruptions) suo moto statement made by the Member. There cannot be a discussion on that, Sir. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: You have How can you allow it ? not heard mc. SHRI KAMAL NATH : It is a sugges- (Interruptions) t ion I am making.

MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER No, no. (Interruptions) Let me listen first. Plea,se listen to .what he says. first. PROF. P. J. KURIEN: There cannot' be a point 0" order on that. (Interrupt ions) MR. DEPUTY-SP~AKER: I have MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER Prof. already gone through the text. That is Kurien, please sit down. accepted. Therefore~ when I accepted it, he cannot raise a point of order. PROF. P. J. KURIEN (IDUKKI): I can obey you, Sir. But what is the scope tInterruptiolls) of this? MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER : Noth!ng. ( Interruptions) I won"t aIJow. I am rulIng it out, if you want, you give notice regarding that. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: Under Rule 377 no defamatory or insinuatory. · · SHRI KAMAL NATH : Let him move a privjJege motion. (Interruptions). MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Not only under Rule 377, anything defamatory Why don't you move a privilege cannot be allowed. motion? '

( Tnterruptions) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I have already ruled it Out. If you want to give SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: He said, any thins in writing, yon can do so. But I " ... so that judiciary is madt a part of the have already ruled out your point of order. national mainstream." I say this is casting aspersion or reflection because it SHRI KAMAL NATH : I will con. implies that it is now being made a part tinue. It must be realised that the .• of. thc,glainstream. It is a clear insinua- (Interruptions) tion. How did yeu allow it ?

AN HON; MEMBER: There is no MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER Let him finish. polot in our rule by which •.• ( In'terruptions)

MR.. DEPUTY. SPEAKER : What is MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I am defamatory, I have not aUowed him.. That ruling it out. Plcase. ait down. is·aU...-

(l",.nllptlons) 193 Malters Under Rule'71 VAISAKHA 10, 1907 (SAKA) Mo.lters Undet Rule 377 194

SHR.I KAMAL NA TH : You .alloM. The Government of Goa. Daman and, Diu wore Members to talk. Why don't you has also stronaJy pJeaded with the allow me to finish? Government of Ind ia to sanction a hip., scale for the post-graduate teachers teach-· MR. DEPU1Y .. SPEAKER : You ph'ase ing in the secondary schools of the Union continue. Territor~. It is, therefo re, earnestly r,C- quested that the matt ~r be looked into .. SHRI KAMAL NA TH : It mllst be realised that the judiciary has to help in Secondly. there is also '3 disparity in the fulfilment' of the peop~e's a~pifations the grant of pension to the teachers of and if our judicial process is out-dated or the aided schools in comparison to that does not meet its aims, the whole ~mpor. of the tenchen in the Government schools, iance of the judiciary as env!saged in our in the Union Territory of Goa, Daman and Diu. It is, therefore, suggested that Constitution witl be neg~ted. tne aided school Teacher-pensioners be MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER : Now, Mr. covered under the Central Civil Service (Pension) Rules, .1972, retrospectively Shantaram Naik. from 1. 1.1980. ( Interruptions) Lastl y, the Education Bill which has reen passed by the Legislative Assembly MR. DEPUTY-~PEAKER You of Goa, Daman and Diu last year is cHrry 011. Don't worry. WhDtc,'er he says pendinp- for the assent of the President of will not go on record. Mr. Nnik, you can India. Th c matter ma'y k indJy be expedi· read your matter under Rule 377. ted by the Government in the interest of the entire education management in the (Interl'llptions) •• Union Territory.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I don't (iii) Need for Immediate Central Help allow any other Member to talk cxce~t the to Madhya Pradesh to cope witll ,he Member whom I have caJ1ed. Problem of Drinking Water fa the State. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY What about my point of order? KUMARI PUSPA DEVI (RAIGARH) : Mr. Deputy-Speaker, the scarcity of MR. DEPUTY.SPEAKER I have drinking water has caused:t great concern already ruled it out. That is all. in the Stalc of Madhya Pradesh. About 8,468 villages and ]40 towns are facing 12.19 hrs. acute water short~~ge in varying degrees. Almost all the 45 districts to some extent [English] or the other are in the grip of the worst ever water problem faced by this Slate. (ii) Need to improve the Pay Scale of This year, the erratic pa'tern of tho .post Graduate Teachers in Goa, monsoon has created a severe drinkina Daman and Diu. and Remove Dis- water probtem. This has been aggravated parity in Pension to Teachers of by the failure of the winter rains which Aided and Government Schools have brought the water level down in most of the wells. SHRI SHANTARAM NA1K (PANAJI. : Teachers with post-graduate qualifications If adequate steps to provide drinkinr worl ing in the Secondary schools are water are not taken immediate), the Jarae entitled to a hi,her scale than the gra. population in'this State will have nO water duate teachers. This obvious ryle of Pay.. '0 drink at all. Therfore, it is necelse" seal eSt" alt~ou8b implemented .initially in to augement new SOlltceS of water in the . the Union Territory of Goa~ Daman ·•. Diu, State. is nC't being effectively implemented, DOW.· TlIbeweJls should ''be drilled ib . "n ··Not record'cd. the scarcity viUaps. Steps lbould be .... ', ' . ·19 S M"It,rs Under Rule ," APR.IL lO, 1985 Matl,rs UrulIr Rule 377 196

taken for deepending the dUI wens and caterina facilities which at present a~e not for transporation of water to the far flung provided with this train.· Ther,eforc, 1 mas. Since the -problem· is acote, it is would request the Government to i~sue imperative that the pace of work to meet necessary instructions in this regard. the drinking waf er problem is accel erated . so that timely relief can be provided. [Translation 1 A minimum of Rs. 13 crores is requir- (v) Need to remove the limit of Rs. ed to undertake works pertaining to l600/ .. for payment of bonus to drinking wat c r supply in the rural and employees the urban Breas of the State. I request the concerned Minister to provide the SHRI K. N. PRADHAN (BHOPAL): amolmt mentioned above to save the State from drinking water problem. Adequate Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, under the Pay. funds should be provided for the com- ment of BOntlS Act, J 965, the bonus payable 10 an employee, who\e monthly pletion of all the ongoing water supply payor W8,e i~ more than ~~. 750. j~ caJ .. schemes in the State as soon as possible. culated as if his monthly payor wage is lb. 750. Government propo(.c to r~tise (iv) Need to make the Himsagar Ex-· this limit to Rs. 1600 per month. press a bi.:Weekely Train and to Provide its Stoppages at Impor- However, according to the Payment of tant Stations in the Districts of Bonus Act, the range for el iginility fur Kottayam. Pathanamthitte and b')nu~ is Rs. 1600 per month whereas Alleppey the cost of Jiv ing as compared to 1965 has increa'\ed phenomenally and the value 'PROF. P. J. KURIEN (IDUKKJ): of t he rupee has diminished. I, therrf('1rc, Sir, the Him Sagar Express running bet- urge that to meet out justice 10 ;.11 tile ween Jammu and Kanyakumari was in- employees, the eligibility nnge of Rs. troduced in response to the demand of J 600 ~hould be removed to ll1~lke dl the the public that ther e should be a train employce<; eljgible for bonus. connecting the northern and the ~outhern ends of India. Although i.t is a weekly (vi) Demand to givE' employment 10 train at prescnt, it has become very the unemployed residents of district useful particularly for the Keraliles work- Gonda (Eastern U.P.) in the I. T.I. set ing in the Defence service and stationed up there in Punjab, Jammu etc. . SHIH DEEP NARAIN VAN (BAL. Howevcr, the usefulness of this train RAMPUR): Mr. Depu(y Speaker, Sir, has been diminished by the limited stop- district Gondu is the most backward area pafes it has at present in Kerala. After in Eastern U.P. The economic condition Ernakulam, it h~lts only at Qunon and of the people of this area is so miserabJe thus skips three important districts namely that they are finding it very difficult to Kottayam t Pathanamthitte and A11eppey. bring up their families. Thom:ands of It may be mentioned in thjs context that people here are j()b~ess with the result the maximum number of passengers are that this region is becoming more and from these districts. Thus this long-awaited more backward. Keeping in view its train bas become Jess usefu 1 to people backwardness, the Government decided be\onp.ing to these districts. From the to set up an I.T.I. factory at Manakpur point of view of revenue to the Railways in Gonda District. This factory is now as weB as tbat of the convenience. of nearing completion but the people of Pils~~PSers~ this train must hart at impor.. Gonda hay~ not be,n benefited by this tant .stationR in all t.be three districts. factory 8'0 far. Outsiders have beeo·re.. cruited in this factory and Ihe people of And aho in view of the heavy rush Oonda District have got· nothing bill' 'Us- in this train, it may be made at least a placement. It is tbe pOlicy ·01 the· Gov.ern- bi·we.ekel'1., train wilb .. pantry car witb m·~nt not only to compensate the disP14~d J§' Millie,s tJnJe~ VAISI\kHA lb, l~O' (SAtA) bemandJ'lor 'Grattts,' l§l:", Rule 371 (General), 1985.86 persons whose hou~es and lands have BGML. The ex isting prices paid for' the , been acquired but also to provide employ-, gold should be revised so· that the BOML.· ment to the displaced persons or at Jeast does not incur Josses on that accoDDt. one member each of the displaced families I request the hone Minister to take uraent in the factory. But in this case, the dis- steps in th;s re,ard and save the miace placed persons have not been benefited from sickness and closure. in the matter of recruitment in the factory, so much so that out of the total recruitment 12.26 hrs. made, only 20 per cent pCJpl e belong to the GOlda District. DEMANDS FOR GRANfS (GENE· RAL), 1985·S6,--cont d. I, therefore, draw th e attention of the Mini~.tar of Communications towards [English] giving priority to th~ people of Gonda in l\tlinistry of Agriculture and Rural the matter of sCf\'ice and demand that in Development future only the people of Gonda should be recruited in the factory so that the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The objective of th e factory is achieved. House will now take up dis~:ussion and voting on demand Nos. 1 to 8 relatin, to (vii) Need to take steps for the pro- the Ministry of Agriculture and Rural per f'tnctioning of Kolar Gold Mines Development for which 8 hours have been to avoid its closure allotted. Hon. members Present in the House DR. V. VENKATESH (KOLAR): Mr. whose cut motions to the demands for Grants Deputy-Speaker. Sir, it is a matter of have been circulated may, if (hey desile preat concern that the gold mines located to move their cut mOtions, send sl ips to in KoJar Gold Fields have been incurring the Table within.15 minutes ;njicaling .the losses for the la<;t several years. The gold seria1 nnmbers of the cut motjons they mines which are among the deepest in the would like to move. Those cut motions world are incu, ring losses due to impro- only wiJI be treat ed as moved. per management and the purchase of gold by the Government of India at a throw- A list showing the serial numbers of away Price. The huge losses of the mined are cut motions moved wiJJ be put up {in the going to result in the cJosu~e of these mines. Notice Board shortly. In ,ase any member These mines ate operated and owned by a finds any discrepancy in the lht, he may public sector undertaking, Bharat Gold kindJy bring it to the notice of the Officer Mines Ltd. (BOML). Ne:lrly a lakh of at the Table without delay. workers earn their live) ihood by work ing Motion be moved these mines. The c'osure of these mines "That the respective ~um~ not will throw all of them out of employment. exceeding the amounts on Rev- Therefore, it is neee:;sary to improve the enue Account and Capital workin£.; of the management as well as Account shown in the Fourth the mining activities in these mines. The column of the Order ,Paper Policy of the Gover,1ment of India is to be granted to the President safeguard the interests of the working out of the Consolidated Fund class at any cost. Therefore, the proper of India to complete the sums functioninp of thhsc mines needs an ur- necessary to defray the charges gent attention of the Government. 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SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY (Nal- 151.5 million tonnes of foodgrainra tbfs gonda) : Mr. Deput~-Speaker, Sir, agricul- year. It is far beyond expectations. our ture isever)bodyJs subject. More than 70 irrigated area ,of 60 million hectar~s is per cent of the People of our country are having the potential to produce 300 mdU .. dependent on agriculture. directly or indire- on tonnes of foodgrains if proper care is ctly. 42 per cent of the Indian eco .. taken. Government is not taking proper nomy is generated by agricultural produce. cJ.re of the agriculturists and agriculture. But, unfortunately, only 5 per cent of They are taking care only of industries~ the Central budget is provided for agri. But, agro-based industries have not been cu1ture. This shows the importance they taken up. Even tC'day, no research is are giving to agriculture and the Depart- being made about agricultural implements. ment of Agriculture and R ural Develop- Only some power ti lIers Festuseed driHers ment. and Tractors arc manufactured for the farmer. Much of the research has not Soil, water and other inputs are a taken place with regard to agri:;ultural key to the development of agriculture. implements which are of major importance Coming t(l soil, even after 38 years of to the farmer in the rural areas. Now the Independence. they have not taken up cost of living has gone up very high. The soil conservation measures, catchment farmer is not in a position to pay salaries area survey measures and river valley to the labourer. I request the hone project as national projects. Previously Minister to take up this issue on a priority there was 75 cent subs idy per for soil basis. conservation projects. But now it is only 25 per cent subsidy. The remaining 75 per cent is to be borne by the farmers. The production of pulses has misera- How is it possible for the farmer now·a- bly failed. We want more pulses and dry days to be~r this much amount? They land crop. The average pulse production. are bu ilding up many projects; they are is far below expectations. In 1960-6 J, the taking up many schemes. But these proJ ects total production was 12.7 million lonnes. have not been taken up on a national Now the targeted production for 1984-85 basis; The Central Government has to is 12.5 million tonnes. It is far lake up these projects and schemes in below 1960 Product ion. This is our achieve- the catchment areas and in the river ment after 24 years. On an average. a valley areas. But; unfortunateJy, the human being requires pulses of 7S gram- Central Government is leaving it to the mes per day. Wear e not in a position States to take up these things. The Cen- to give even 30-35 grammes. Unfor· tral Government is not tak ing up these tunately, the Government during this things on a national bas is. years Government of India have provided only Rs. 3 crores in the Budget for the Government is constructing roads, benefit of the farmer. With this meagre thermal projects and irrig.ation projects amount, it will not be possible to deve- as national projects. I request the hon. lop the required quantity of pulses. Minister to take up soil conservation works based on the catchment area water-sheds We are importing oilsceds. The Mini.t. as national projects on priority basis. I ters are giving controversial figures. The request the hon. Minister to take up Food and supply Minister gives somo this issue and solve the farmers' problem. figures. The Agriculture Minister gives This helps the water table in coming up some figures. I will take that up later. and the water retentive capacity will be enhanced. In addition to that, all the per- The average yield of groundnut during colation tanks, wherever possible, should 19S0-51 was 77S KG and during 1964·6' be taken up on a national basis. With it was 814 KG and during 1982-83 it was the limited resources at their disposal, only 732 KG. This is the production the state Governments cannot take up per hectare, not per acre. The decrease these projects at present. in production i~ the achievement we bave Coming to the production aspects, made in pulses which are mostly arOWD ora tho Go.,rnmont ba. a tarlet to raise dry laoct It•• . [Sbri ~. Rn&hqrna R ed~y] MLAs mostly ,come fUMn rLlral a;reIS'~ Having come to ParUameht they Cotlot Coming tG the dry hnd cultivation, the their rural moor'ngs and they become research has m.iserably f.,dleJ. Th~ benefits accustomed 10 th0 urban comforts. t of whatt~ver rese Hch is beil'\g done arc not request at least the present Minister who going to the farm~r. All t:1 ~ re\~ear~h comes from ~tn agricul turist family to do work done is only 01 paper. It will not something for agriculture. help the agdculturi~t in any w ~y. That will not touch even the fringe of the prob. lem. All this research is not gOi;1g to In regard to o'isceds, only Rs. 29 soh/e the prohl ems of the farmer. ,More- crores have b~en provided during this ye'\r. over, all the reselTch is hein~ done only How will the oilsecds prob1em be solved? around urban areas like Delhi and Hydera- YOll arc importing ~uiblc oils to the tune bad. Agriculture is a rural subje~t ba~cj of-\lcCording t lone Min ister it is Rs. 841 on the rural scen~. Th~ rc;e \fC') s11 ,)~t!d be crO"C,i :md <1cc,1rding to another it is some- made based on the ag~o clim ltic,d f.lctlHS. thin~ else RIi, 1319 Cfl)fC:\. But roug:lIy I At present, thQ Agricuhu:'al R ~sc;lr~h thhk eicry year we imrnrt edible oils to Institutes are localed oll',y iii urban are 1:-) tht! tU:l~ of Rs. 1000 cr orcs. DUl'Iog this . like the Pusa lnstitute in Delhi~ the year you 11.lve e lrmarkcd R "i. 1300 crores. Raj,endra Na~ar Institute in HyJ~rabau and Our Llrmcrs will b.: able to produce what. at some other cities. ever you require only if you say how much quantity is required 111 advance and also the a remunerative price well in advance. You have not selccteJ for oil seeds They will definitely take up the challenge re~earch my distr·ict Nalgo.1da which is and produce the required qu,tntity. You castor growing one or Adihlb:ld or Ra)ala- scema which arc the droug:l: p,·onc areas are importing oil f10m abro:ld. 65 % of or evea Rajasthan. r:U!s..! rc!):.:ar.::l iEsti- the imported oil you ar; giving to the Vanaspl: i nnnuf,~ctllrcl s. During the elec .. tutes are CO;lstruc~eJ in citic5. 'fne only .' ('1/ tlO:l lnrac you ga.v~ 95 10 to the Vanaspati thirig is th:tt you may be havil16 diffic ..IlticS manufacturers, 1 do not know the motive of prJviding quarters f01' the s.;ientists. bch ind it. Bul you are nv t encouraging When you art_) constructL1g a fl.!searcil in.iti .. indjf~enous produclion. Madhya Pradesh, tute, you should also co:u;:rllct qJartcrs Praddh call and provide all ::tmcn;ties to lh~ s~icn~ists. Andhra and Gujarat produce the r~qllired qu,ultily of oilsceds, But Coming to gcnerJI agricJJtu:c, wlUL~v~r you are not encouraging and you are in the we produce is not suffici cnt. We are not hands of the PI ivatc ,;theY' ~~I)llJ.d ope" their' \cye~ hGW a~d ,~u~,pod$ ee~'. Tb'e "pi6clucti. : , ,pro_em of the l)'ott. 207 D,m.1IlIa /1)' Craftls APR.U.. 30, ,1985

. . [Shri M. Ragbuma Reddy) User and some times other kinds of losses also occur. Rlit nobody is there to check Comins to prices, we are producing up this kind of Josses in the fertj1isera we aaricultu.ral commodities but who the is have to deveJop organic green manurina fixing the price? A pe,'son sittit1g in an and bio.. fertilizers which maintain foil AC Room~ some s enioT. lAS officer or som e texture. So also, Sir~ in the case of pes- technocrat i~ fixing the cost of rice. You t iCides, Sl'urious pesticides ent er into the should. h:lVe a !'Yot representative from market. The farmers do not know this each St.te when you fix the pdce: -you fact. In (' rder to chc\!k s~IJe of spurious should consult him before fixi ng the price. pesticides in the matket, stringent mea. Why should this man sitting in Delhi fix sures ~hould be taken by the Government the price? He is not coming fro~ ~ny by enacting a Jaw f0r this purpo~e. But rural area. You. don.tt have any statIstiCS. nobody bother~ about it. Therefore what J say is th:rt you should take· up a representative from the ryots from erch State whi1e you fix the rate. Sir, many industrhlists are indu Iging malpractices We produce; but they fix the price. What in in the sale of spurious pesticides. They are amassing a l(1t of is the 'PO!'rl ition of industries? They are money in this way. The Government producing the artklez and they ar~ al1owe~ srouJd know which company h producing to fix the rates. They are doing It. But It the goods. which company is taking the is no~ so in agriculture. The cost of agency of ~elling the "products and what cu)ti\'ation is very nicely calculated! They price they are tixin~ for their goods. say that they take into account the cost of Btlt I fir.d that the Government have no labour, hired Jabcur, idle labour~ tt~. control over these c(1mpm:ies. Nor do they They say that tbey calculate on the ba~Hs take int fre~t in preventing this malpractice. of ploughing one hectare. They say that Sir, llse of spurious pc~ticide~ will prove so much labour is required and so many to be dangerous to both human beings and bullo,:k carts are requiTed~ But they don't the p):ints. We h,lVC to consider this take the adver~e circumstances inlo consi .. issue very seriously. There should be an deratio"'. What happens in the rural areas? arrangement to have more labs test and These officers who fix the ra1 t!S only go to the roadside areas and villages; the), more staff to test the pesticides that a:e sold in the market. Thefe are less number of don't go into the remote rural. areas .. I laboratories ava iJabJ e in the conntry and have h !ard many people saymg th~s. These officers on Jy go to loadside villages. the tests conduct cd in these laboratories wiIJ not solve the problem. Sir. more and They come to a conclusion tha! pcopl~ mOl e uSe of pesticides is harmful both to have crossed poverty line after maktng enquI- the cattJes ond the plant~ to the ries with a few people on]y. They feel farmers, environment which ha\c ecological satisfied nnd they come back. What I, say problem. is that the planners and the supervIsory I would request the hon. Minister kindly to see that in order to mnintain ecological persons ;;-nd the persons who fix the prices balance, pesticides should not be used should ,ro to remote v ilJages and rural indiscriminafely. We have to develop areas. They should talk to cultivators ecological contro1 measures. We have to there and tben only come to the conelu .. develop Predators which kjJ1 Parasites. sian and .fix the price. Also you h:we to take into consideration the fertility of the Now, Sir, coming to the co.operative land and the backwardness of t~e area. credit system, the Government of India, All the- factors shouJd be takeo Into con- by an Act of Jaw, hnve appointed NABARD sjde,ration while you fix the price. to help the farmers in the rural areas which has beCome n promoliona1 avenue Sir.,'llhore aro other important, inpu~s to RBI presonne1. Now, the NABARD is like feriDer pesticides, etc. uled In. alrl- getting money from the Reserve Bank of cult_e. ';:4Q Dot know what quality of India for loan purposes to the'rural people. fetlUiaen arc Iupplied to the farmers. T~e They are getting this money at the tate' of fertilise, •. tbat are 1\l~p1icd to the~ aro 1D iut.est of 4,% nd th, 'money .in 'ttto a deteriorated conditlcn., Some ~lIne yo~ is loaned to tb.e ApcJc: a.nks .Hill,· 4% &d that thore is evapo~ loss in the .fort~ rate. of iut,eRlt. Now, ,the "total· "hihi.' VAISAK.HA 10, 1907 (SAKA) rate works out to 8 %~ Again, tlle Apex plement them under the direct supc'rvisor Bank gives that mon.ey to the District of youe officials, at the ·viU8ge 'level, at the cooperatives at the rate of 2 % interest.' taluq level.: You should earmatk money The District cooperatives in turn char&es for the various sl.:hemes for the rural areu 2 % interest when they pass on the same and implement them with strict supervision to the primarY cooperatives. The primary as per the needs of rural people. cooperativ=s ultimately charges an interest rate of J % from . the farmers. So, the The plans should come from the viUa,. total rate of interest which the farmers hut not from Delhi and then ('nly you can have to pay works out to 13 %. It i ~ most develop these areas and help the rural unjustified on the part of the NABARD maSbes who ure ~tarvjn8 even today. You to charge 4 %interest rate. So also other may not agree ",ith me, but I can show you agencies should not charge interest from starving villugt'rs in my tnluka and in my the farmers. With 4 %interest they are constituency. getting crores of rupees by which they are bUilding buildings and they are providing J request Government once again to all amenities to their officers at the cost of strengthen agricultural research, to stren. farmers. At the most, when the money gthen the dry land proj(.'cts and to stren- . trickles down to the farmers, the maximum sthcn th! rural development prClgrammes. rate of interest should not be more than 1 also request you to develop supply milk 6% or 7 %. But now the rate interest and its by-products. Agro-basell Industries charged comes to 13 %. shou1d be developed to htlp the farmers at large. I request the hon. Minister to Sir, regarding cattle population in the provide more and more amounts. as ·aari. country, the report says that it has been culture is of prime importance because increasing. I would like to point out here 70 per cent of our people arc dependent that it is the other way about. The cattle on ~lgriculture. I fee) that this 5 per cent population is declining year after year due allotment iR too meagre. J request the to natural calamities 1ike famine, Rood, Prinlc Minister and the Finance Minister fodder shortage, eto. I want that the res .. to allot J0 per cen1 of 1he tota] budget to ponsible persons from the Government side tbe Agriculture Department because it should visit the rural areas, to the small will help the farmers nnd poor people~' villages, periodically and collect the statis· Lasl1y, the Government should take steps tics regarding' cattle population. Then to strengthen our farmers. If the farmers on\y the exact position about the catt Ie arc strong, Jndia will be strong and if our population will be known. There is no use rural peopJt~ are weak, India will he weak. silting here in Delhi and making state· This is my conclusion, Sir, and I oppose ments about the po!ition in rural areas and the Demand. research on fodder development has mis- erably fail edt SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA RAO (Vljayawada) : 1 beg to move: In reprd to milk scheme, what does the Government do ·1· They are getting the "That t~,e Demand under the Head milk powder and milk product in a conde- Department of Agricult:Jrc and Cooperation nsed form, mix them up with a small be rec'uced to Re. J. ') quantity of milk and distribute it to the people. This way, ·you show the result. [FailJrt to make available ne"ess&ry In the name of development of rural areas credit at low interest to the farmers.) and tho viUalcs. Government is spending a (1) 10t of money. But they are not at all doina anything for the poor peasants and "That tbe Demand under the Head fatmers'in the rural areas. Jt 1411 all on Department of A,ricnlt ll1'e and Co'opera. paper. The money to be spent on various tion be reduced to Rc. 1" schemes for the development of rural areas is not at aU reacbiDI tb'eD1. I would 'sugest , lFailuro to curb adulteratiop of (ortili. that 'OU .llouJd tak'e up sch~mes aDd im· zer..J (2) (Shri V. St)bhanadreeswara Raol (Need for multi,lication apd proper , ' . distribution or hish q.uality need~.) '(21);'~ '" "That the Dpmand under the Head ....ticulturo be reduced to llo. 1.", UThat the' Demand under tb'.,. He,ad AgricqH':1re be re,dqced, by Rs. lOP/" ' , '[P~ilure to accept to recommendations of Rs. per ton at per cent reco· 130/· 8.S [Need for effectiv~ impJement,tion of very for "ullarcano as recomm "nded by Manure and FCltili;zcrs Programme.] (28) Agricultural Prices Commission for 1984·8 S season.] (I S) "That the Demand under the H'ead Agricu1turc be reduced by Rs; 100. JI "That the Demand under the Head Agrlculture be reduced to Re. 1:" [Need to cover pulses and oi1secds in the h;gb yield varieties programmes 1 [Failure to increase the per caPita (29) . availability of pulses and edible oils.] (16) "That the Demand under the Head Agriculture be reduced by Rs. 100." UThat the Demand urder the Head Agriculture be reduced to Re. 1." (Need to re-organize the Centritl Agri. cultural farms to meet the changing needs.] [Failure to fix remunerative prices for (30) paddy, sugarcane cotton. arou~dnut, ~ai7e and Bajra.J (17) "That the Demand under the Head Agriculture be reduced by Rs. 100,," "That th e Demand und er the Head Agriculture be reduced to Re. 1.. " [Need to ensure plant protlction against dieases as revealed by spre~Hl of Karnal [Failule to ensure implementation of &lnt diseases in wheat and coconut in crop insurance scheme as a result of which K.erala.] (31) farmers are loosing hundreds of crores worth of crops every year due to vagatics "That the Demand und,er the Head in monsoons and natural calamities.] (18) Agriculture be reduced by Rs. 100.'"

"That the Demand under the Head .LN~ed to take, steps to Qv,crcome stag- nation 10 production of commc:rciaJ cro~ I Agdculture be reduced to Re. 1." (32) ,y.....

[Failure to augment agric~lture produc. "That the Demand under th~ Helld tion.] (19) Agriculture be reduced by Rs. lOQ.u ," "Tha t tho Demand un4er the Head [Need to ~ive tQP priority to Area Agriculture be redu~ed by Rs. 100. u Develo,pme~t PrQgramme in hilly areas.] (33) , , [N eed to make Aaricultul'a.l Prices Commission more meaninsfu) to protect producers' interests.] (2S') , ~'Th~t the Pema~4: !ln4qr tb~ Head AItl.Culture ~ r.educed ~r Rs, 100." . ' "that the Demand' under tbe H:e~d {Me,cd to, check malfunct~jnl Qt, i.. Agriculture be reduced by Rs. 100:" .sr cul,tural, ~arm~ in p~~~Ic' sectOf~~ ~4~" . [Need to imptemen' the recommenda- th~ D,em~~d u~derl "'~., ~~d tions of Nationaj', ComQli.siQD on All'icuJ· "Tbat, Aat~uH1Jrc; b,e rodu~e4 by, &8. 1,00;', ture.] (2~) [,." tp ,lJlalfu~ of "'1bat the Demand aDler t"I.e Head dJlck S,~cd't Cq{p()t~~i~~l (,3~} Aadclltur. be reduced by 11.100", NatiaD;\t , • , 9 I ~ ", "That .the I) crow,' .qnder the Head That the demand under the be:ad Agriculture be reduced by as. 100:''' Animal Husbandry and Dairy Develop. , ment be reduced to .I.e. 1. u [Noed to encourage bio.fertilizers.] (36) [Failure to increase the" per capita avai- lability of milk] (74) ·'Tha·t the Demand under the Head Agriculture be reduced by Rs. 100." "That the demand under the head' Anima 1 HUlibandry and Dairy develQpment [Need for revamping of Organic be reduced to Re. 1. II Manure Development Programme.] (37) [Failure to encourage indigenous know .. .. Chat the Demand under the .l:fead how and technololY for foot and mouth· dis- Agriculture be reduced by Rs. 100." ease vaccine production.] (7 S)

[Need to revamp the pulse development "That the demand under the head programme.] (38) Animal Husbandry and Dairy Develop- ment be reduced by Rs. 100. II "That the Demand under the Head Agriculture be reduced by Rs. 100." [Need for mergina Institute for Rural Management, Anand with the National [Need for effective ·qua~ity control of Institute for Rural Development and fertilizers to overcome' the widespread placing them under leAR for effective and menace of adulteration.] (39) economical functioning.] (90)

"That the Demand under the Head "That the Demand under th, Head Agriculture be reduced by Rs. 100." Animal Husbandry and Dairy develop. ment be reduced to Re. 1." [Need for effective quality control pes. ticides.] (40) [Need to remove the constraints and bottlenecks in Operation Flood I and 11 "That the Demand under the Head programme for increasing milk production Agriculture be reduced by Rs. 10Q." and discontinue gift imports of milk pro- ducts.] (91) [Need to improve the working of Natio- nal Agro Industries Corporation to mee't "That the demand under the head Ani- the consumer's needs.J (41) mal Husbandry and Dairy development be reduced by Rs. 100." "That the Demand under the Head Agticulture be reduced by Rs. 100/' [Need for revamping the ongoing dairy development 'p;ogrammes which tilt to- tNecd for more effective utilization of wards multinational interests.] (92) assistance from foreign governmets for agri. Cultural development schemes.] (42) "That tbe Demand under the Head Cooperation be reduced to Re. 1." "That the demand under t.he Head fFailure to raise the upper limit of credit by R8. 100." A&liculture be reduced that can be sanctioned to farmers to enable them to invest more in agriculture and [Notd for effective and rea·listie soU obtain increased yields per hectare.] and wale," conservation prosrammes.] (48) (93) c, . That the demand ,undo: the Head "That the Demand under the Head Fisherios be reduced to Re. 1. II Departtfttlt:t of, Aaricultural Research Educatiol b~ ~ductd to Re. 1." . I " [Failur~ to ptot.eot tbo ioter.• t, of &her.. IDeQ enlq,'!d 111 nOQ.;aaechaQjsed tishiDI.',] tFailbic ~ tb~r.an AWareness amana (56) '. . dq land cuJdvatiaa farmers of pilt'scs·._ i 1S Demands /lJr Gran', (r;.",ral), 1985~8d· 2j6

rShri,V. Sobhanadreeswara Rao] "That the Demand Under the Head AI~iculture be reduced b) Rs~ 1OO.~' gotting higher output with mo-re applica- tion of pesticides and fertilizers') (99) {Need (0 supply fertilizers at &ubsidlsed rat es.J (22) "That the ·Demand.' under the Head Payments to Indian Council of Agricultural "That the Demand under the Head Research be reduced to Re. 1." Agriculture be reduced by Rs. 100. u

[Failure to take the latest scientific rNeed for allotting sufficient funds methods of Cultivation developed by re. for development of Agricu!ture.] (23) search institutions to Villages.] (103) " "That the demand under the Head Agri. ~'That the demand under the Head Pay- culture be reduced by Rs. .100. 11 ments to Indian C~unci1 of Agricultural Research be reduced by Rs. 100." [Need to allocate more funds for agri- cultural credit.] (24) [Need to establish a Central Research Station for conservation and improvement "That the Demand under the .(lead of dcsi fowls in Andhra Pradesh.] (110,) Animal Husbandry and Dairy Develop- ment be reduced by Rs. 100." "That tIle Dernlnd under the Head Department of Rural Development be [Need to start a milk chilling centre reduced to Re. 1. n at Kadiri in Andhra Pradesh.J (76)

[Failure to construct Iirk roads to the "That the Demand under the Head village, so as to Cl)nnect nearly three lakh AnimaJ Husbandry and Dairy Develop. viJ1ales unconnected with any type of ment be reduced by Rs. 100.'" road.] (113) [Need to provide fodder and water 10 , SHRI K. RAMACHANDRA REDDY cattle LO prevant their sla.ughter in Ananta- (Hindupur) : I beg to ~ove : pur district of Andhra Pradesh.] (77)

D~mand "That the under tbe Head "That the Demand under the Head Agriculture and Department of Coopera- Animal Husbandry and Dairy Develop. tion be reduced by Ks. 100." ment be reduced by its. 100/' [Need for suppling fertilizers and :pes. [Need to achieve the targets of milk ticides at subsidised rates to cultivators'] Production.J (78) (3) '';Tbat the Demand under the Head "That the Demand under the Head Animal Hu&bandry and DaIry Development Department of Agriculture and Coopera. be reduced by Rs. IOO.u tion be reduced by Rs. 100:" (Need of Indian Dairy Corporation to [Need to restore reduction in the allot- effectiveJy supervise the wOfking of Natio- ment of ferhlizers to states.] (4) nal Dairy Development Board.J (7'1) "That the demand under the Head Agri- culture be reduced by Rs. 100. IJ "That the Demand under the Head .~ooperatlOQ be reduced by Rs. 100." [Need to give remunerative prices to the farmers') (20) [Need to revamp and ra.tionalise th e workjng of NAfBJJ and OlDer ~o-oporalj v. "That the ~mand under the Hcad A"ri· es.l (94) culturo be .duccd by Rs. ~OO~..., c

[Need f()t tWnl sqpport price for Irou- . I. fhat the demand under ·the'Head, ~o­ .. .tnut.J

"That tbe Demand under the Head [NCOd for makin, Pan~bayati Raj InJti- Departirient of 'Rural Developmont be re- tuttons more effective for overall dovolop. WOOd, b1 a.~·" 100.'''' mont b,Y dOOtO,traliution.] (I2l) '. +111.",.: {Sbri K. Ramchaodra Reddy J [Need Of!) suppiy aood'QuaJity seedi to

"That the Demand unQcr the Head 0 8gricultut'i$ts.J (J 3'1 .) Department of Rural Development of Rural Development be reduced by Rs. "That th e demand under the Head De- lQO.' , partment of Rural Developtllent be reduced by Rs. 1000" [Need to strengthen appli cd nu, rition programmes to check falling health stand· [Need to alJol sufficient funds for aau .. ards in the rural areas~]. (124) cuHuraJ credit to farmers.] (132) "That the Demflftd under the' Head Department of Rural Dl.:velopmeot be "That' the Demand under the Head reduced by Rs. 100.''' Department of Rural Deve-l'opment be reduced by Rs. 100.'J [N eed for expansion of Rural works programmes for creation of full employ- [N ct!d to allot more funds for cffcetive ment.] (J 25) jmpl ementation of National Rural Em- ployment P(ogramme and Integrated "That the Demand under the Head K.Ula' Development Programme,] (133) Dipartment of Rural Development be reduced by R s. 10 0.)1 "That the Demand under the Head Dep'Utment of Rural Development be [Need for project~ for Rural employ- reduced by R.s. 100.u mont and guaranteed employment.] (120) [Need for vigorous steps to tackl-e urhal the Demand under the Head De- rural unemployment.J (134) partment of Rural Development be reduc- ed by Rs. 100." "That the Demand under the Head Depattment of Rural Developmellt be red- [Need 'to establish national arid of uced by Rs. ~ 00." r,u.cw aodowns for agricultural produce to benefit producers and consumers.J (127' [Need to provide more funds for the upliftment of the rural PJor.] (135) ~'That the Demand under the Head Department of Rural Development reduced "That the Demand under the He'alt by Rs. 100."" Department of Rural Development be reduced by Rs. 100." [Need to strengthen the Drought Prone Areas Programmes to meet the [Need to provide sufficient funds to needs of affected ar~as.J (128) implement effectively the Drllught PrOf.e Areas Programme.] (136) "That the Demand under the Head Agri- culture be reduced by Rs. 100." "That the Demand under t~e He~d Department of Rural Development be [Need to give remunerative prices to reduced by R.s. 100/" &rmei"S for their 'tllricultur,d produce.J (129) lNeed for effective impiemenOtation of Rural Landless Employment Guarantee "That tbe J.)emand und.r tho li:oad Proarammc.J, (131) Aariculture be reduced by Rs. 100/.1 "That the O.mand under tho ~d , '[Neodto rct

, "oTbf.t t~ be~ndUnder ,the H.~~ I?" [N.ed for p~aneDt, mc~!urea.; to!i ~r~h partmoot of Aal"icul t ural B. and famIne 0 erad«:atioD in Dro"tat 0 iiI:~ll~ E4ucatioo be rtdt.iCod blat. 100.'~ AI ....JUll) ''.That the Demand under the H.d De- ment t)f lugar-cane partjcular,), ia North partm~n,t ,of Rural Development b~ reQcod Bihar.J (10) , by Ill. 100'/1 " ' "That the demand under tbe 'head De. [Need to formulate a comprehensive partment of Agriculture and Cooperation .lan to ftaht droulht in Ray,alsoema which be reduced by Rs, 100." is' a chronic 'Orouabt Prone Area.) (139) [Need to ensure remunerative prices SHRI RAM BAHADUR SINOH to farmers for their produce.} (11) (Cbllpra) : I beg to move: ''That tho demand under the 'bead "That the demand under the head De .. Department of Agriculture and Coopera- l'artment of Agriculture and cooperation tion be reduced by Rs. 100:" be reduced by Rs. 100." [Need to set up a fertilizer factory [Need to supply adequate quantity of based on animal bonos near Chhapra in fertilizers to fanners.1 '(5) Saran distdct of Bihar.] (12)

"That the demand under the head De- SHRI M. 'RAGHUMA REDDY (N.J. partment of Agriculture and Cooperation gonda): I bel to bet move: be reduced by Rs. 100. H "That the demand under the head [Need to reduce the price of urea.] Agriculture be 1 educed by Rs. 100." (6) (Need to improve the implementation "That the demand under tb~ head of schemes for small and marginal f'ltmers Department of Agriculture and Cooperation and agricuJturaJ workers'] (43) be reduced by Rs. 100,'" "That the demand under tbe head [N eed, to start an intensive programme Agriculture be reduced by Rs. 100." to improve cattle breeds particularly in Saran district of North Bihar.] (':') (Need for effective extension of trainlnl programmes for farmers.] (44) "'fh~t the demand under the head De- partm~nt of Agriculture and Cooperation "That the demand under the head be reduced by Rs 100." Agriculture be reduced by Rs. 100."

[Need to provide more funds to start [Need to review the outmoded and an intensive programme for developing outdated tractor training programmes.] Pouho., particularly in Saran district 'of (45), North Bi~r.]' (8) '~That tho demand under the head ·'Tnat tb~ dCQland: under, tbe bead Alrieoltur: be reduced by Rs. 100." Departm.ent of Agriculture and,Cooperation [Need to ebanle the present Aaricu). be reduced by Rs. 100.'" tural ECODOJX).ic urd statistics set-up 10 tbat it subserves the fanners" needs.] [Need to' providp mpJe ""n~ tIl, .J~ an intensive programme for the develop- (46) ment of fi8bc;ri~s p,r,iculatb'. in Saran "That the demand under the head ~,~~tr~pt, qf,Nort~ B~jb'~rj, (i~) , Alricultu,l'e be reduce4, by Rs; 100."

"That the demand under the head Do- [N oed to c~k maJfunctioDm,of' p~tment of AaricultQJ:e an4' eo.tatjOD NAFBD.} (41) , ,I~c(~~c~~ ~,R~i 1~O.u ' ,"Tbat, the ~emand under the bWd , ~~~, t~, ~o,,~"e ,~pre fRMs to, ¥Mt An imall Husbandry and Daity De"l..,. aD IntellS vo proaraanme r~, ,the ,~,__ meDt be reduced by lU. lOO.!! :(o"",.al),'1985J6 124

[Shrl M', IUlghuma 'Reddy] "That the demand under the head De- partment of Agricu]tura1 ;Research and [Need to discontinue gift imports of Education be reduced by Rs. 100.'" ' milk prod-Jets and increa()e milk produc- tion.] (83) [Need to strengthen the international cooperation with African nations, Japan "That the demand under the head and South East Asian in Alricul· Animal Husbandry and Dairy Develop. Countries tural research . .J (101) ment be reduced by Rs. 100."

lNeed to develop indigenous breeds "That the demand under the head of cattle and buffaloes.] (84) Payments to Indian Council of Agricuhural Research be reduced to Re. 1/' . "That the demand under the head Animal Husbandry and Dairy Develop- [Failure to completely revamp; re. ment be reduced by Rs. 100:''' vitalise and reorganise educational, reSe- arch aDd development activities of [Need to implement effectively Ope- leAR.] (102) ration Flood I & II programmes and projects thereunder.] (85) "That the demnnd under the head Indian "That the demand under the head Payments to Council of Agricultur. Animal Husbandry and Dairy Develop. al Research be reducrd by Rs. 100/' ment be reduced by Rs. 100/' [Need to check malfunctioning of dairy research and training institutes.] (104) [Need to review the working of Insti- tute of Rural Mana~ ement, Anand.] "That the demand under the he1d (86) I Payment to Indian Council of Agricultural '~That the demand under the head Ani- Rese~'lfch be r..:duced by Rs. 100.'" mal Husbandry and Dairy Development be reduced by Rs. 100." fNeed to strelmline functioning of fishe- ries institutes to bring about coordination [Need to review the working of Delhi in their working.] (105) , Milk Scheme and Mother Dairies in Delhi & Calcutta.J (87) "That the demand undar the head Paym cnt to Indian Council of Agricultural "That the demand under the head Research be reduced by Rs. 100." Animal Husbandry and Dairy Develop- ment be reduced by Rs. 100." [Need to improve and revamp Agri. cultural Research and education to meet [Need to augment m ilk production the present needs of the country.] (106) , under Operation Flood I & II programme.] (88) "That the demand under the bead , Payment to Indian Council of Agricultural . "That the DcmanJ u'1der the head Research be reduced by Rs. 100.'" Animal Husbandry and Dairy Develop. t:nent be reduced by Rs. 100." [Need to utilise ce~ s fund~ to improve productivity.] (107) [Need to use i ndige nous dairy equip- ment.] (89) "Th at the demand under tbe hc"d , ' Payment to Indian Council of' Aaricuit\Ual "That the demand unde'c the head Research be reduced by Rs. 1OO.'~ Department of Agricultural Research and Bdu'Oat'ion be reduced by Rs. 100. 11 ; . [Need to strea"tlIine and stren,t~~ working of Central' 'Soil and Water Con- .lNeedto effectively OVelsee monitor serva Hon Research and Tra iningmstitute to an4 'COordlnclt e tb' 'WQrkiPI ,of I. C. Ai il.] (l00) . tr*te if'more effective to solve reaion,-wiae , ; 'problems.1- (1 ()a) " ',' '. . , ' ., HTaat the ,a.lQr&od under the hoad but the det~ls .of that tcheme are ttltI Paym,cBt, to, IndiAn Council of AgricuHu •. under consideratIon. The, A,ricu.lture rall\e$ear~b be re,duced by Rs~ ,100." Minister will tel) us when the details of ttie' , . scheme will be finalised and the [Need to reorganise and . strengthen scben1e implemented. :In this conn~tion, I waitt research and education schemes of 'Animal to !lay only one thing that so far, tbtl Husbandry.] (109) insurance scheme has been enforced .m certain areas up to block level and bas DR. V. VENKATESH (Kolar) been rrepared in con~u1tation witli tlle I beg to move ; in.ura~ce company. Under the scheme, only certain specified crops have been "That the dcm~nd under the head covered. Agriculture be reduced to Re. I.H

13,00 brs .. [Failure to improve the functioning of Krishak Bharati Cooperative Limited.J As the hon. Finance Minister ha. (t 57) stated, under the scheme, the farmers who "That the demand under the head take crop Joans will be given 150 per cent of the amount of crop loans by the Agriculture be reduced to Re. I." com- pany in case their crops are damaged. 10 [Failure to Pay adequate compensa- this connection, I want to say that the tion to Dynacraft Machine Company insurance company is putting pressure on Limit ed, Bombay by Krishak Bh~rati Co- the Agriculture Dep~rtment that teh9i1 operative Limited fOr cancellation o~ should be taken as the unit in assessing the their order for coal handling plant.] damage. It is possihle that instead of (158) considering teh~il ns the unit, the company might be pursunucll to agree to consider Translation J a Block as the unit. This would mean that r jf there are one hundred villaaes in a Block: and due to some natural calamity 50 SHRI BIRINDER SINGH CHissar): per cent of the crops are damaged, onJy Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, T would like to then the insurance company will assess speak on the demands re1ating to the whether the damage has been more tha.D Ministry of Agriculture. Presently, the 50 pt~r cent or Jess for which they would country is moving towards the green revolu- compen sate the farmers. I would request tion and from the green revolution towards that if you aSSesS the damag~ or loss lakin, rural But only development. even now, a Block as the unit, then the farmers will 43 per cent of the total 329 million hectare never benefit. Suppose there is a natural cultivable land available in the country is calamity like floods and out of one hundred being cultivated and according to the fi&ures viUages only 20 are flooded, then the availflble for 1983 .. 84, a total of 1 S1 mil- damage will by only in those 20 vm ... lion tonne foodgrains is being produced in and the remain ing 80 villages will escape the country. I shall discuss two or three the furry of the floods. But when the points and tell you why the agricultural Department of Agriculture or the insurance in country is increasing production our not company calculaies the loss, the damalc at the speed at which our economists and will come to les~ than 50 per cent because agricultural scientists have been trying to th~ loss has been only in 20 vinagcs, the achieve it. other 80 villages having remained unafftc- ted. I would, therefore, request the bon. 12.59 ..... Minister that if he wants to implement the [SHRI VAKKOM PURUSHOTHAMAN insurance scheme for the welfare of tbe in the Chair] farmers in tbe real sense. the dam.p sbould be evaluated takina the indiv,iduat The Finance Minister in his Bud~et farmer as a unit. Iran 'individual it 'not speech 'bad announced a vt.ry lood 'crop considered the ···unit, then it will ell",.' iUllura·DCe scheme and this has "een wel- t.:_tderablc )os. to the fanner. To tbjl CO~4\b1 ''If),e'' tatmerf:a11 ovet', t~O,' " COjtJfl')' the· \p!~ of tbe fmuraace comp8D), ,i.,'~_, (6,n"41), 191JM ~2i

[Shri Vak1com PUMlBhotban18ft1 turistl who had praetical knowl". of they do not have any record of the indivi. . agr!clltture and 'who had don e rarmfft.'·, 'lith dual farmer's average produce. I would their own ,hands. I want to submit thet it request the hon. Mini.ter that if the 1088 i8 will be very unfortunate if the new Com- assessed lakina the villaae as a unit. tbat mission also works on the basis of the will be beneficial to the farmers. If there same guidelines as were issued for the is. hailstorm. it is possible that one part of Aaricultufa] Prices Commission. Then it the villa&e may be affected while the other will be just changing the nomenclature. part .may not be. In such a situation, if As he has &aid: the Joss is assessed, takins the villaae as a unit! then the farmers will definitely let [English] something from the Company. Secondly, you have given this relief only to those "By fixing price it would keep in view farm en who take loan from the cooperative the likely effect of the price policy 00 the banks and there also. Rs. 950 per acre wilJ r est of the economy." be paid for the best land 1ike the one in . Ludhiana in PUDja b and in Kurukshetra in [Translalion] Haryana. This may also please be lool"ed into t hat the cr edit Jimit for the farmer is Mr. Chairman, Sir~ you just tel) me Rs. t 5,000 but, the cooperative banks are when th e Batu company enhances the prices not giving them more than Rs. 10,000. of their footwear, do they keep the interest What I want to sa) is that the insurance of the consumers in view? When the Tata company will cover the interest of a farmer compan~ increases the prices of their who raises a crop worth Rs. 1 lakh on trucks, do they keep in mind the articles 18 acres of land, on1y for Rs. 15,000 and of consumer utility wh ich would be t"taDs- Rs. 7,500, i.e. Rs. 22,500 only. My ported by those trucks? I want to submit request to the hon. Minister is that this that you should reconsid~r the guidelines scheme should cover not only those farmers already fixed and issue such guidelines as who lake loan from the banks but also the may he1p the farmels in getting, remunera. others who want to take advantage of it. t ive prices. I also want to say that the covering of risk upto 150 per ceRt is quite inadequate. It SHRI RAM PUJAN PATEL (Phulpur) : means that the farmer is getting only that Mr. Chairman. Sir J I am grateful to you amount which he has spent on fertiliiers, for gi~ing me an opportunity to speak on seeds and power. But, Mr. Chairman, Sir, the Demands of the Ministry of Agriculture there are certain other elements also like and Rural Development. I would like to the farmcr'd own hard work, other resour- ai'/e some suggestions for the consideration ces which he puts in, like his bullocks, the of the hon. Asriculture Minister, which members of his family who work with him relate to a large number of the farmers of etc. which should also be taken into the country who depend solely on 8lricuJ- account while calculating the loss. I, ture. therefore, suggest that instead of 1SO per cent, it should be at least 250 per cent Ours is an agricultural country and so that with the money he gets, he may about 70 per cent of the people directly be .able to prepare for his next crop and or indirectly earn their livelihood throu,h be compensa.ted for the loss be has agriculture. Agriculture is the mainstay suffered. of OUT economy. This has been cOl1ceded by the Finance Minist er himself in his Now, I would like to ..y a few words speech. He has said, ~'Control of ini!atic.n, , about the price policy. In Chandiprb, the reduction in poverty levels, promotiOll of Minister of Agriculture had given a state- employment, and improvement· in our mont t hat be .was loins to replace the balance of payments are goals which a. re Agricultural Prices Com.mission by a 'Com- linked with our success in a,riCUl"ture " mission tor Aarlcult.ual Costs and Prices'. Therefore; our country's PlOlIN deponds In tbi. conDection. ho ba4 &aid ~t ~here on more alri~ultura) outpyt~ For merea'· would be 7 members ia tbis COJluDi~D· ina the qricQllllral. P.. od\JctioD, ,-. ,,aced, " Glt of wbicb J IDOIDMtI wo'l1cl be IIrica)", '1Ii1la· )'iokliq tVarietiei 01.11 ••) f.tBia« .. VAlsAtWA 10, 1901 (sAiA) water· ·for ·frriqation and pesticides. Our and detained and his \Vheat was .selt~d agricu1t~rat scientists hlve suc~eeded in which is now rottiDg there. This is how' develop1ng h ian yielding varieties of seeds, irregularities are being committed. ' fertilisers and pesticides for wbich they deserve apprc;ciation, but, as regards water, Similarly, the farmer Clt1 produce paddy our farmers are still not getting water in but cannot thrash it. Thrashed paddy,. i.e. adequate quantity when the crops are at the rice can fetch more price to the farmer but stage of ripening. The tubewells run with the Govern'ment have imposed a ban on it. power .nd du ~ to non-supply of power in He is allowed to thrash paddy by small ti'1te, the farmers have to suffer heavy hullers which can thrash only 50 kgs at a losses. My submission to the bon. Minister time and in a calendar month he can thrash is that to improve the lot of the farmers, on)) two quintals of paddy for his own usc. reg.lar supply of power should be ensured It is quite evident that the big capitalists and the water in canals should be released by putting pressure on Government have in time. Seepage is causing damage to the sucoeeded in getting the rules framed in farmers" fieJds and crops~ I would like to such a way that the farmers may not be draw the attention of the hone Minister ab1e to 'sell paddy in the shape of rice. towards this aspect aha. Consequantly, the farmers have to sell their produce at a '.'ery low price. The hon. Government provide loans to the small Min:ster is an experienced perSOR. I and marginal farmers under the I.R.D.P. request that in order to give maximum in which about SO per cent exemption is benefit to the farmers, rules should be given but, regretfuJJy, farmerfl are not framed to ensure that the farmer~ are able beina given the assistance properly and they to get remunerative prices for their produce become viet ims of corruption. They have and are able to strengthen their eco lomie to bribe for taking loans. I would request position. that in the matter of loan disbursement, I want to draw your att ent ion towards there should be minimum interference by the Forest Departmel'lt also. The problem the staff and tbe farmers should be saved of fuel has become very acute in our from their clutches. The stronger the country and without wood, the farmers are farmer, the stronger will be the country. helpless. I bad raised this matter in Kajya Sabha also and the hone Minister had I would like to draw your attention replied that there wa s no ban on cutting towa.rds some mljor problems of the firewoJd trees but till today Government fdrmers. The farmer produces foodgrains have not defined the trees who'ie w00d can but is una.ble to being it to the market to be used as fuel. I w:)uld request that the sell. Just now the hOIl. Minister ha~ names of those trees which can be felled announced that the fclrmer can take his by the farmers to meet their needs should produce anywhere to self. I had asked a be clearlY sp;,cified. Otherwise, the police question on 3 May, 19~4 of the Minister will hlra,s the farmers 'and the forest of Food and Supply ana he had stated in officiats will go 0.1 eJttracting money from his repjy· Ul&t except the intornational them. Wood is required for constructing border. there wa$ no ban Oll th~ mJve~cnt houses, agricultural implements and for of rice and wheat. I want to inform Ule other purposes. I hope tbe hon. Minister hone Minister that when a Car mer movos hI) will CJR ,id er this a c;pect set iously and take PrQdUQC from one market to an:.>ther even step; in the intere,t of the farmers so that III tbe same d·istrict, be is baras;ed by the they do not b!come viclim of corruption. pollee and your Fooj l)ep1rtm'~t personnel The hon. Minister is pre~cnt here. I and they extract money from him, other- hid tllked to him in March when the rate wise the farmef. o~ small traders are or pJtatJ had come down to Rs. 25 or cballane.d. Therefore. clear diractioos R,4J. 30 plr quintal. The hon. Mini~ter had should .. 1). issued that the farmers sbould informed me in writing tha t Government not, be. bacassod in any wJ,,'J. I would d'raw would pu ·chase potatoes a t the rate· of YOur· attention towards Allahabad. Tbe lt~. 50 per quiotal.' But, is be aware tJilt Fafatuu $arkOl is/thore,in A.l4th4bad. In tho PUl"Chase ecutrca bad not been opoa04. tQa.& ..r~. twial, • farGllt ,1._ ;:UNItOd _till far .... W' to .Iil potato.'~;bl' J ~'8~ APltI It "",,] 0 1 I ' J~' "

[Sbri Ram PUJan Patel] dv·er. When our Finance Minister was Member of Parliament from that atea be the market at the rate of Rs •.. 25 to Rs 30 7 had ~anc(joDed Rs. 42 Jakhs for that ,but Wben the farmer had sold his produee, the nothing could be done there also. 1 would potatoes price of soared between Rs. SO request that all these things should. be to Rs. 70 t'er Quintal. I request the considered and clear cut rules should be bon. Minister tbat one starch factory each formulated in the interest of the farmers should be opened in Allahabad and so that the employees and officers are' not Farrukrulbad because these are the biggest able to harm them and the farmers are potato-growing regions. I hope you will able to strengthen their economic condition consider this suggestion. by producing more;

I represent the PhuJpur constituency~ With these word~, r thank the hone J think this area is the second biggest Minister and hope (hat he will take 'J,ction potato.growing area in India. Potato is on the points raised by me. produced ther e in large quantity. Farrukha- bad is number one and Phulpur is number SURI ZAINAL ABEDIN (Jangipur) : two. Arrangements should be made to ·Sir, agricultmc i~ the b;lckbone of f nc ensure that the potato-growers of the area Indian Economy. Whether we have been get remunerative prices. I hope the hone able to provide a strong backbone to our Minister witt :onsidcr it. economy to enable it to become strong and stand erect and whether we have been abJe The hon. Agriculture ~tinister had to build a strong foundation for our agri. announced on 30 November, 1981, in the cultural system, this iK the main point to presence of the late Prime Minister, the be considered while discussing the demands setting up of a soda ash plant at Phulpur. for grants of the Ministry of Agriculture and rural development. ' The hon. Minister hao also given an assu- rance about this in Rajya Sabha but in Sir, the budget speech of the Hon. spite of all this, the said plant has not Finan,:e Minister. the economic surve~' been set up (here and no h:1S action been 1984·8 S, the annual report of this ministry, taken so far in this regard. I want to know an have citlimedt as usual, the huge succ:eSs the reasons why the plant is not being set of t.ke Government in the fieJd of agrieu)· up there. 1 have come to know that the tUr,e. In 1983-84 while speakin~ in the Chief Manager of the 'IFFCQ' has sent a context of increase in foodgrains produc- proposal to Government that in lieu there- tion, the then Finance Minist er remark cd of another plant be set up there. The in his budget speech, "This is convincing Central Government should consider that testimon~ to the soundness of our agri~u)­ proposal and open a plant there immedia- lural strategy.~' In this year's budget tely so that the people of the' area may speech the present Finance Minister has prosress economically. also ethoed his predeces')or and has said, "Our past record has been good which Along with this. it is also ncce,sary underscor~s lhe soundness of our agricul· that cows and buff.does of good breed be tural strategy.") I would )ike to ask the made avail.lble to the farmers so that Hon".. Ministe: at .the very outset. what is they may aet more milk from them and their yardstick for measuring the amount thereby strengthen their economic: condition. of SUCC~8S ?, If their agricultural strategy is tb.e increase in sorrow, misery. hunger, In my constituency, about 30 to 40 want, poverty and unemployment· of ,the thousand acres of Jand drc illuadated by millions pf o~r villagers dir ectly. connected floods evory year. This aspect should also with alrioulture, then ",e have to admit tbat . be"one into. A survey was .ma.de in 1971- tbe.y h~ve achi,ved .one hundred. per .cent 72 .lor construct.ing a dam from Mubarak- success". Tbe fac;ts and figures livelt out put iii,Sitakund, but there alJO., no further by t4e,. OQv,er~meot itself aoe. to prov,c it. proaren has been made. Similar If, there 11 . one viJlaae, Lijapur In,, Plut.1PUl'· ,~eluU

which •t •• :' it.teet .' on tho:baoka.of' , " II { • ~ taoOqaa,,,....' ."!. I ' • ,Jf we ~jew c~mp~eben$iv~ly tbe' perror.. In 1978·7~ it was 10.2 met.rer 'br'; manee over the last few years in the field 1779-80, the year in which cotton import· of 8jricuttural production, its pricing was eJfminated, it came down to· lO.1 . policy, the distribution of fooqgralris, the m elers. In 1982 .. 83, in the year when" waaes paid to the agricultural labourers, 7.6 Jakh bales were exported, the per. prot,ection of the rights of the share .. capita availability further fell to '.9 croppers and above all the distribution of metres. Cotton production fell fr~)m 7.j1 surplus .land among the bndless and even mllHon bales in ]982-83 to 6.58 million in fishery, animal husbandry, forestry and bales in 1983-84, which means further everythina else that comes under the decline in the \)cr capita availability of purview of the ministry of agriculture, then cotton cloth. we will realise how unreal and boJIow is the Governn,ent's claim of sucees in the Sugarcane production in 1982·83 was field of agriculture. The sucess or failure 189.50 mi11i 011 tons which was record of the agricu!turul strategy can't be gauged production. But the per capita ava ilabHity throltgh the increase or decrease in food- of sugar t'er annum fel1 from 9.7 kS in grains pl'oductjon in a particular )ear 1977-78 to 9.2 Kg. in 1982-83. In 1983. alone. Even then we find that when the 84 the sugarcane production fell to J 77.02 Government is claiming a huge succesS in million tons from the earlier 189.50 foodgraim; production, the dai1y average miJIion tons. Hence the per capita avaH .. " per capita av~ilability of f{..odgrains is ability of sugar is also bound to fall. showing a gradual diminishing trend. In 1965 the daily average per capita availabi- Edible oils: The per capita availabi. lity of foodgrains was 480.2 gmt In 1984 Jity of edibJe oils fell from 4.8 Ka in that came down to 438.1 grm. ] 981·82 to 4.3 Kg. in 1982.83., Therefore we see that the more During the period 1970-74 5 years the the farmer produces foodgrains, Sugar- daily per capita availability of foodgrains cane, Cotton, Oilseeds etc., the Jess he on an average was 452.5 gms_ Between gets for consumption. This js the agricu'l. 1975-79 the ne",t 5 )tear's average the tural strategy of the Government. The daily per capita availability of foodgrains Government is claimjng achjevement on was 440.8 gm. Between 1980-84 i.e. for the basis foodgrains production. But let the next 5 years the daily per capita avai .. us see the position obtaininl there too. lability or food~rains was 438.1 ,ms on an Except the year 1983·84 the production' average. [t is not th It per capita availability has renmined practically stagnant fo.r. has diminished in the cast: of foodgrains several years prior to that. In 1978-79 alone. The same position prevails in res- the production of foodgrains was J 31.9 pect of other agricultural products also. million tons. In 1979·80 and 1980-81 In the annual report of the Agriculture in two ouccessive years the production feU. Ministry for 1983-84 it was started that In 1981-82 it improved marginally. In "As a result of the sustained incre ..u~e 1982.. 83 it ag41in fe)) to 129.52 miJJion in productIon of all varieties of cotton, tons. That means with the year 1978-79 as the centre, the production has been imports have been virtually eliminated oscillating somAtimes a little above ancl since 1979·80. During 1982·83 a record sometimes a little below that. quantity of 7.6 lakh' bates waS exported. '! The production of other agricultural But we find that the per capita availability commodities is also following practically of cotton cloth per annum is constantly the same pattern as will be apparent from dimiDisbing. the followins,figures :

1977·78 1983 .. 84 SUlateane' 176.97 million toni 177.02 million tou' Cottea .7.24 m~niOD bales 6.58 milliOR _," Nesta ·1.79 mUliou bales 1.36 million.,,:lu,·

,,1 6.04 lDiUion bal.· .1., .. 1',', • ~~47J~tl:ii?! bc&l08 · , ,~ ~ ~ De1naiiJs /6$ (J,alit,

{Shri Zai'nal Abedin] calories. But in tndiii it is 1880 caJ~ries The per hectare aveH1se production of only. F'ertilb:er consum,ptioD in 1979·8(.\ the ,above commodities is alsp following was 52.fi 'lakh tons. In t ~84 .. 8S it went trp continuously as foJlows : to 84 lakh tons. That ,means, in the 6th plan the rate of increase in fertili%cr In 1980~81 sugarcane production was consumption was 60%. Ab'Jut irrigated 57844 Kg. In 1983.84 it came down to land, in 1979·80 i.e. the year before the SS904 Kg. Sixth·Plan came into being. the total land under irrigation wa~ 56.5 million hec- Cotton-in 1971-78 it was 157 Kg. tares. In 1984 .. 85 it went up to 68 but in 1983·84 at fell to 144 Kg. million hectares. That means tb.at durins the Sixth·Plan the anticipated increalle is Mesh-in 1977-78 it was 883 Kg. of the order of 20 p.c. in 1983-84 it fell to 850 Kg. In 1979 .. 80 the area under high yield· Jute-In 1981-82 it was 1480 Kg. ing varieties was 38.4 million h~ctares. 1983.84 and in it fell to 1470 Kg. In 1984-85 it went up to 56.0 million hectares, regist ering an increase of over The National Commission on Agricul- 40 pc. tural had recommended that the daily per capita minimum nutritional require- The distribution of certified seeds was ment of milk W..lS 201 grm. The present of the order of 14 lakh quin~als in 1979 .. availability is only 137 gmt On the 80. In 1984 .. 85 the quantity went up basis o~ dally requirement of 201 grm, to 70.4 lakh quintals. This registering an capita requirement will be the annual per increase of over S times. 73 kg That is, for the whole country the annual requirement will be S1.1 million tons. This is the position of our white But how many times has tbe production revolution. But the National Dairy Dele- gone up ? we have been unable to increase lopment Board and the Indian DJiay Cor- the production of agricultural comlnodi .. poration claim tbat we have become self- ties eve!l after increlsang use of all typeS sufficient in milk production. Eveil today of inputs on a very large scale. We are try· we are imparting tile same amJU.1 t of ing to mllntaia p:ojuction at the level we sk,mmed milk powder that we were im- hive achieved &ever~l. years ba.c~. Some- porting before the lauLlchiag of the su- how, had we nt)t increased the irrigated caHed wnite revolutio.l or op"ratioil Boo 1- area so mil ;11, hid W~ not increa~ed the The positlO,l in respect of per capIta area under high yi eldillg varieties, had availability of egg!», fish a.nd meet ir, even we not increa.sed the use of fertilizers worse. Therefore is there anything call cd. and had we not increased use of certified the agricultural strJtegy or th~ GJvern- seed" tile productioil would have suffered ment '1 If it is tller e, then It IS tbe strategy grea.tly. But they are claiming excel· of fluctuation or it may be called the lent performlnce of aaricultural sector. 'pendulum strategY'. Tha.t is, in the field Tbe Hon. Minister of Agriculture and of production it is sometimes going to the rural development-)rojected this very right and sO.n.tim"s gOing to the loft disma.l and disapPJi[ating picture in his over the last SilO years and has a ten. speech delivered at 24th convocation meet- dency to return to its original position. Ing of the Indian Airicultural Research Institute on 2.2.8 S last. What was said 10 tho case of daily per capita avail- by the Manister there, I am quoting from ability of Calories also, India's position tbe ~busiQe.s standard' dt; 3.2.85. He said HProduction Jrowth rates were is OV&1l lower than Sri Lan'ka. So much neaa. so'that :in India the per -capita daily avail- tive in __ 10 of bajra, small mdlets, barloy and pulses. Growth rates of yield were aela. abil,jr)' ,9f catorics IS less than the averasc tive itt case of Iram and putsCl.' Tho or pt.." low in~ll1c countries. productivity arowth rat es was slow .101$ In . "'i Lanka it is 2238 ,aJorie. tbaD i p.c. in cue of bajrl, maize, ,.... ,1 .vera,. of Low4Dcom~ (;OuUit•. 1I Ull aUleta, .~1IItIID. rape ..eel .d a~ total .oilseeds,. Jute and aUlar~ne. This a~lmenting the capacity or our .. Carmera .,to. is th~.picturo of tbe IUcOes' aohiovcd by invest. more fuads in his land. Why are 'the Govef1)ment.1I the farmers unabJe to invest more fu~. it) his land 1 Tb e farmers aro not gcttUll . Sir, in our country tbe a,rea of land remunerative price for their produce • under jrription is constantly increasing. On the other hand the price of whatever We are increasin.ly usinl our water wealth he bas to purchase in tbe market bas' ,one ror irrigation purpo$es. Israel used the Iky.hiah. The farmer is a' Producer and same quantity of water in 1980 for irriaa· consumer a Iso at the same time. As ". tion purpose't 8S they were using in 1956. consumer what he bas to spend, he dOOI But in 1980 their agricultural production not set that amount as a producer. He haa was three times of what they produced in to sell his produce at n low price and has 1956. Japan uses for irriaation .purposes to repurchase the same at a higher price only 0 ie-third amount of the water used (or his consumption. The Government by us. But their production per hectare claims that they have increased the sup.. is many times more than ours. In Chira port price for agricultural prodUce arid the area of cultivated land available is t~ey have reduced the price of fertilizerB. less than in OUf country and the area of rln 1980-84 the Support prices ror wheat land under irrigation is aho much less has been increased from Rs. 117/.. to than ours. In 1983 the area of irrigated Rs. 157/- per quintal. That is, the sup. land in our country was 6S.6 million port price has been increased by 34 % hectares. At that time the irripted area but durin, the same period, the priCe 0; in China was only 44.6 million hectares. fertilizers has increased by 48 %and tbe But in that year our foodgrains production price of diesel has increased by 200 % . was' 1S 1.04 million tons whereas China moreover, the Government usually inCrease produced 387 million tons ~uring the S1me the issue price also along with an increase year. Accord'ng to experts the minimum in the support price. In this very manner production per year in one hectare of the price of rice, wheat, sugar, kerosene irrigated land should be 4 tons. But in' etc. were rajsed during 1983·84,' The our country the prescnt production is even matter of greatest regret is that Govern. Jess than half of that. If we are able to ment has totally failed to l ensure that the produce 4 tons of foodgrains per hectare farmer gets at least the so called SUpport of irrigated land, then, even setting aside price. For want of sufficient Dumber of a part of it for other cast crops, we would Government purchasing (;entres or agencies be able to produce 250 million tons of at the appropriate time, and due to their foodarains on the available irriaated land indifference, the farmers are compelled to in our country at thIS very moment, which sell their produce to the middl emen at a is our estimated requirement of foodgrains lower price. To ensure that 1be farmers in the year 2000 A.D. " get the support price, the middlemen shall have to be removed from tbe market. The Government shall have to take up the Sir, in the experimental aDd research responsibil ity of monopoly procurcm'cot farms our the average produc" in country Is th~ Government prepared} to take an; tion per hectare per annum is 8.S tonnes. steps 1D this regard? But in the fields of the farmers, the aver- age yield per bectare per annum is less than In ~a~y parts of the world tho 1.5 tons that means the sloaan "Lab aYitem IS 10 ,vosue whereby the farmer nearer to the Land'" bas remained a slogan acts ~ profitabl e and r emunorat ive .jce only. We have failed to take the reaultB for his produee and the consumers ~.tt" of modem research in applied agriculture supply of foodgrains at a cheap pr. 10 the actual farmers, One of the reasons In Japan, .the Government purchases rico" ·for this is tbe want of ·mental and econo- from tbe farmen at Rs. 8S0 a quintal aud. mic capacity of our farmers to adopt Itl!S it 10 the consumers at 1.1. 6$0/••. ,'. ' them. .But why. where is tht impediment ? q~lD,tal. Th~t means,. tho GOVOfllllWut' To :aniY.e at the inter.oatioul ~ _adarda of IIves·a subltd, of Rs. 200/. per _af' .. prodoctiOD ·on every. piece of lancf, . we We·bave been dem.-"diDI for a Jon, ..~ .bav,. ,$0 tlUAk ICl.iousl)' tbe .. ,.".tiOD. qf . tba~ th., OoverlUDlDt lhouW ·take ,.tII., .[Sbri' ZaiDal Abedi.] catered in" th! r,ecords tbeNby 188 utili. responsibility of supplying 14 e.sential com- him his riJht to 'cuttivate the land.' 'But 'modiUes of daily use to the people at 'a what is the Government's tol e towaras subsidised price. But our cries are not this objer.tive? Over the last 30 years how enterhiJ deaf ears of the Government. many shar ecrQPpers.' names have betn recorded? Why is it not beinl' done? In the farmers who actually till the soil answer to these questions aaain the same are not owners or that land-on the othE'r thing has to be sa id i.e. lack of politiQal han4 those whose f.!et never touch the soil will. n are the owners of the land. This system has been kept alive even today. In the . Sir, the Jarger part of our rural popu- plan document of the sixth Five Year Plan Jation are agricultural labourers. Thanks .it was stated that "the programme of tak- to the abricultural strategy of the Govern- ing Posse~sion and distribution of ceiling ment due to which an incre-asing number surplu! land would be completed within a of marginal farmers becoming landless period of two years Le. b} J 982-8 3." and swelling the number of agricultural Afterwards in the beginning of 1984 the labourers. According to the census Hon. Minister of agricuiture stated in report, the n limber of agricultural labour- reply to a Question that "under the 20 ers \Vas: point programme the states have been In 1961 31. S mi11ion. advised to complete distribution of sur- In 1971 47.3 million. plus land by March, 1985. n Even that In 1981 64.62 million. time limit is past, has the land distribu- tion been completed 1 It is never poc;sibJe Jt is these people whose lives are most to arrive at the expect ed and necessary miserable. For a lon~ period in a yeaF level of increased production by mair.tain- they arc without jobs and even when they inS the zamindari syst em and the system get jobs, they do not get just and legitim- of feudaJ exploi'ation. Why there is no ate wages. The wages fixed for them under progress in the matter of Jand reforms? the minimum wages Act in force in vari. The Government advances many reaspns ous states at present, is wholly madequate and etlCUIe'\ for tbat, Jike institution of court and insignificant to meet the minimum cases and stay orders etc. but the main needs of life keeping the present price reason haS been clearly spelt out by the situation in view. But the poor agricultural Na,tional Commission on Agriculture in labourers do not get even that much actu .. ' 1976. They s~ud~ "-the lack of political ally. This has been exposed in the vari· will h~ve been a key factor behind ineffec .. ous surveys conducted in this regard. live implementation.'"' Many obstacles can be surmounted if this 'political wiJI' is there. In the 20 point programme of th.e This hlS been amply proved in West Ben- Prime Minister adopted in 1975, it waS ,~I. If the political wiJl was there, then stated, "-Revjew and effectively ensure the "West Benglll second Land Reform minimum wage~ of agricultural laboure rs." Bia'l would Dot be lying with the Central Will the Hon. Minister kindly inform us GovCI'nment since 1981 aWAiting the how far the wages of the agricultural President's assent. A large part of the labourers have been reviewed and total land of our countr), from 30 % to ensured ? more tban 50% in different areas, Is cult i- va*l tbroUlh bargadars or sharecroppers. .Sir, the Indian Institute of Public Now, when tbat shareoropper i~ in cons- Administratioo conducted surveys in Tamil r:.nt fear of ev~tion or of being uprooted Nadu. Madhya Pradet.h and Mabaralbtra. 't'tom tho land, how can be develop a In that survey it was found that mos t ,of mentality for adapting and applyilll vet) the a,ricultural labouresr and 'their fami- ~Qsd)' modern methods or cultivation? lies' are .ivins below th.e poverty Uno. In,tbe ,tnt crest . of incroasiq production Not only that, the monthly income, of : .ad '·for developing a mentality for exten- about'" ,50% of· the agricultural laboa-

Ii. I ;a"lie.tl:ioo or modern scientific rers,' .families 'belonsllll to the sclaQduled 'metbods '. of apulture,' the name· of the "ast.. 'and triNa, is ,less ,thae '&I, SQ/~. ,Sanut'" a ah¥ecrGppor shall have. to b .. e '1~e1 S\ft,V1ye.on one ~eal df' millet • every' 4&y. WW' tho:, MlAiatcr "mille srul in it. The poaple ,who say tbat ,w.: whetft'ft a ceotral amI/mum walta ,Act have not succeeded in it Jook at it wi'tb can be oucted and ellforced all over the jajlndjce~ eyes. I do not' think '.t proper country ? to say anything more.

d~pendence~ Sir, my last point is about rural' Before our country WII f~r development. I want to say that the la$ging behind in ' the production of Government has get many types of arms in food grains. Whenever there was famine its armoury to eradicate poverty from the in our country, we had to hes from 't1Je rural areas and for rural development. US~ and Australia btlt durin, the period The DUlch published 20 point programme of .the last 31 years, after dependence there are many points such as the NREP, the Government of India have taken verY IRDP and along with this there are the effective steps in the matter of aU tho Rural Landless Employment Guarantee agricultural jnpu~s, be it irrigation, fertliters programme and Self EmpJoyment Pro- high-yielding variety of ~eeds or imPle: gramme etc. etc. If these programmes were ments, the clear evidence of which is that sin~(ereJy and properly implemented then today instead of begging from USA or a lar~e section of the rural poor couJd Australia, we nte in a po~ition to suppl, have been brought above the proverty line. foodglains to other countries. But in the last seven years only 3 % of them have been brought above the poverty This is the proot' to show that we have line Dod that too temporarily. Natural progressed much in the matter of agricul- calami~ies like flood, drought etc. may ture. It cannot. therefore, at aU bo push tnem back below poverty line at any accepted that we have moved backward time. I will therefore request the Hon. in agriculture. J can say with authority Minister to see that the shortcomings of that in the matter of foodgrains, Govern- there schemes are removed. And they ment heve advanced much. ate properly implemented for the benefit of the poor rUIal masses. With that I I do agree that there are certain short- conclude. coming:- which would have (0 be re- moved. For this, in spite of being a Member of the Ruling Party, it is our SHRI JAOANNATH CHOWDHARY duty to gi ve fiugl;e sOons to' th e hon. (BaHia) ; Mr. Chairman, Sir, I am Agriculture Minist er. thankful to you ror giving me an oppor· tunity to expresS my views on an impor- My view is that jf the facil ities pre).. tant subject like agriculture. I support vided to the farmers by of water, the Demands for Grants of the Mini"try way .power and fertilizer" and the hard work of Alricu lture. . put in by biro in producing foodll'ains t The Ministry of A@ricutture is a very are taken into account whiJe computill, the cost of production, the pricea beinl important MiniAtry and our country is paid to him are not remuner,tive. predominantl!' an, alricultura 1 coun try. 80 per cent of our people depend on agriculture and they are used to earnina How am I tellii"g these things? I am their livelihood through agriculture. Before myself a farmer and being a peoplt~8 independence, there were no factol'ies in representative, I vi~it different villages our country. AU the people were onpged and talk to the rarmer~. When I ask t,hem about the quantity C1f' the yield and the in agriculture but, in spite or tbis, th~ money bas fet-ched, tbe farmers conc:tition of the country was 80 miserable it rue,funt! that were not a~le to ptodnce sufficient tell me that they are incurring losses but 'we as God has Ilvon them land, they have to fo®,ail'l' for fhe ,wbole year. winy.nUly d& (arminl, whether they _ft. DUriD,the last 31 years after' depen· profit or incur ]08S: On the ODe baad' ' de~~e,. out 'Oovernment' bave 'made.' con- tllere it,. Ifactory..;owner who afttr'ilW_· sideiablo" oforts to inc~.e ~aricultural btl AI. one'lath is Sure to earn lb. l~I$ 1"'",_ 4f he; dON not earn that mudr" "I prqducdon and we bave 'been fulty ·.ucees- " ,/., ',. ' . . . ., , '" I \ ;. . 'A'RIL ~~, Jt·1i

rShri Japnnath Chowdhary] . also produce foodiraina like the ,farm~r,s, be closes down his factory while on the of Meerut. Muzafar.na.ar and SabaraDpuJ and thus strengthen your hands. In •other hand there is the ease of the far- these mers who are helpless. If tbey stop circumstances, 1 would request that .lJa.e tiJ1ing, what will they do ? I would. there- hioihly inadequate irrigation facilities in fore, urge Government to consider this Eastern U.P. should be augmented to issue seriously and such people should be strengthen the hands of the farm~rs. appointed for fixing the support prices of foodgrains, as have proper know) edge of I WOtt ld like to refer specially to Ba]) ja. agriculture. The people who do not have There is a minor canal in Ballia having proper knowledge cannot assess properly 725 cusec discharge of wat er. The found- by sit1it1g in nit-conditioned rooms. This ation-stone of Shards Canal was laid by harms the interest of the farmers who feel the Irrigation Minister ten ye;lrs buck but distressed. I want that you should pay I am sorr~ to say that even after ten Years special attention towards this. the waters of Shafda Canal have not rcach- ed Bal1ia and, as a result, the farmers of BaHia afe facing a lot of difficulties in the If We increase the prices of foodgrains absence of irrigation faciHties. I would. the \',orking class will have to pay more, therefore, request that the waters of the for purchasing them. Therefore, my sllg- Sharda Canal should be malIc available gestion is tha t if you want to he Ip the there so that the farmers could get some workers of the factories, you should relief. reduce the prices of the arricles being pro- duced in factories jr} proportion to the prjces There is a very large SUI ha Pond in dis .. fixed for foodgrains. For example, you are trict Ballia.This pond should be deepened sl1l'plying us fertilizers, power and water so that rainwater could be collected there at quite high rates, which could be made avaiJab Je to the far- mers for irrigation purposes. If attention All the essential items like iron and is paid to t his aspect, the rainwater collect- Cement etc. are avaiJable to us at high ed on the Suraha pond could be made prices. If foodgra ins are to be made available to the farmers and the farmers available at cheaper rates, the prices could be benefited a lot. of the essential items required by the

farmt!rs should be reduced proportionate- Sir t Government have made arrange .. ly and the farmers would not have any m:nts for opening of Agro-Science Centres objections to it. at various plac,es for providing information to the farmers and for their development. So far as the produetion of foodgrains J have come to know that (he Government is concerned, I would like to submit of India have made arranpcments for the that there are certain areas in the country opening of Agro Science Centres at 80 or like Punjab and Haryana, where sufficient 90 places. I am very happy to know means of irrigation have been made availa- about it as these centres would benefit ble. Ninenty per cent of th e land there has them a lot. I would like to urge Govern- got ilrigation facilities. I come from ment that facilities sholl Jd be provided to Uttar Pradesh. Eighty per cent of agricul- the farmers by opening Aa1o.Science tural land in the districts of Meerut, Centres in backward districts like Ballia'. Muzaffarnagar. Saharanpur, Bulandshahar I have sent an application to the hone A.nd Aligarh in Western U.P. ball been Minister in this regard. Though there is a provided with irriietion facilities, but I Sugar factory there, yet in the absenc~ of 'ant sorry to say that not more than 20 irrigation facilities, ,sufficient sugarcane peroQl1t of tbe area in the distdcts of BaUia, could not be prOduced there. I tvould, Obazil'ur, Azamgal~ Dooda in ,. the therefore, request that the sugatcate pro .. eastern resion of U.P. has so far been duoUon should be inoreased by. providinS prollided with irriaation facilities..If fe,rtilisers" ,quality seeds and Sufficient lTd- there also 84 to 90 per cent of tbe 1"lad is ptioa '-f.aciUties. I r~ll'eL. t~ add th8t the provIded with jrrill.tioD, lacilitle., ~ fa~eta w~o sUPl?ly s~,af~a".eJo tb~'SU8ar farmers of Ballia and ea ••n lJ.P. can factory at Itlsra, ate not paId tlieit·, dUOl in ti,ne. Su.c;h a complaln,t bas also: been have not reAched that st,~g~ of export,in, notic~d' in, r~gard to .i,he other mills of foodarains though we are able to 51 and on eastern U.P. l wou'd request Government our feet. You take1apan without ,much of that keet>ini ,in view the interest of .the. land area. It is remarkable that Japan farmers, their progress as also the need to meets requirement of foodgrains by its own provide incentive to them, they should production. It is further ~:stonishjng' tha', be paid the price for their sugarcane in Japan exports food grains. How ha~ it time. If they do not get the price for beccnle possible? They have created la'rid their Sugal;cane in time their dues should over ocean and they are doing cultivation be paid with interest. on it. On the terrace of houses they rt6t only cultivate foodgn1ins but also vegtables In the interest of the farmers, you in abundance. This shows that there are supply them electricity for irrigation pur· no bounds for human efforts and ingenulty. poses, but they are asked to pay a speci· fied amount, whether electricity is supplaed We have 130 million hectule... of land to him or not. In my view. this is in· with irrigation Potential. In 195 J we justIce the farmers. I would like to sug· had 21.6 million hectares of land under gest that a meter should be installed at the irrigation. In 1980 we had 52.31 million tubewell of the farmer and he should be hectares of land under irrigation. It will asked to pay accOiding to the meter reading. take hundred years more, if we go at this pace of irrigation facllit.ies. The farmers should not be faced to make creating payment in this manner. On the one hand As I said earlier, we have to bear in mind lhat whll e Japan is creating electricit~ is not supplied whi'le on the other land over Ule for agriculture, we are able to hand, the farmer is forced to pay a fixed ocean not itrigation amount to Government. bring the available land under and "e have plenty of waters. It has been T have put forward some suggistions in estimated that we are using only 30 % of brief for the consideration of the bon. avaih:ble waters for irrigation and the rest Minister. I hope he would give serious ,goes waste into the sea. Are we not thought to them and would definitely take backward in agriculture as compared to action on them. With these words, I Japan, which is less in sjze than the sma 1- wholeheartedly welcome the Demands for lest State in our country? Are We not Grants and support them. backward in agricuiture when compared to America with only 10% of its population SHRI V. KRISHN A RAO (Chikkabali· in agr icuJture produclini fooagrains for pura) : * Mr. Chairman, Sir, 1 whole- export. while we are just self-sufficient in heartedlY support the Demands for Grants foodgrains with 70 %of population ellga~J of the Ministry of Agriculture and Rural in agriculture '? I am sure that this is really Development. I would take this opportunity a matter of grave concern for the country to say a few words. as a whole. India is a 1and of peasants; 70 % of A peasant with four children will have our population is dependent on agriculture to send his children th the fields and not for its livelihood. The rerna ining 30 %of to ,he school because agriculture is an our population is engaged in olher economic uneconomic activity for him. A peasant activities. Though we have reached self· with 10 acres of land sleeps in a hovel on sufficiency In foadgra ins, yet we have not a gunny bag because he is not Betting re·' reacbed the stage of exporting foodgrains. munerative prices for agriculture. Take a If you look at America, you will find that beedisellihg shopkeeper or a peon, in a Gnl, 10% to 2010 of the people are en- Government Office. They are much better aaaed in agriculture. After meetinl the off than the peasant. The man who pro- foodgrains requirement within the country, duces foodgraios docs not get two square America exports foodsrains to other count. meals a day. He cannot educate 'lUi ",0, ries of the world. With 70% of Ol6r though be feed. all others who send' their population in alracuHural activities, we children, to Ii,choois. He has .to reJ;QiUl , ' '. semi-aaked throughout his life though he . If The spe~ch was oria;DalJ, d,livered iI\ feeds Pt~ple who clo~he the," entir~ nation*, K.tut.da. ' , . . " " ,.' ,~ 1 I' .1 ~ , I , 'j, •• 'I- ~ , ...'89 IIIrk,L fur hil CoocIFaina. "'" [Shri V. Kri$hna Raol to 20 %' on date. In Deilhbouring States be has to 10 and buy rloe for his coniump,,' of Alldhra P'radesb and Tamil l\ladti', it tioD at Rs. 4 a kilo. This is the state of bas 10DO up by 60%. I demand that affairs in our country. It is the respoo$i~ Karn3 taka should be liven special cotlsid~ bil ity of the Government to ensure that ration in the plannin~ and implomenatioD our farmers get remunerative prices. It is of irrigation pr oj eets . tlte primary duty of the Oovernment to ensuI.e. that our farmers are freed from The Gowtibidanwi Cooperative supr pangs of hunger and starvation. . It is factor) with Rs. 7 crores investment em. the duty of the Government ploying 70 workers has remained closed for to eradicate illiteracy among the the last two years. The principal reason farmers. The Oovernment have to take for its closure is paucity of resources. I steps for uplifting the farmers from their appeal to the hon: Minister of Agriculture, abysmal level of Hving. Minimum medical Shri Buta Singh to pay special attention in facilities must be created in the villages of the re-opening of this cooperative sugar our country. Sir, we have to hao~ our factory so that 700 workers and their heads in shame that we are not able to farmilies get back their liv'elihood. The prote=:t the farmers from the rigours of sugarcane cultivators arc not getting re- poverty though they arc enr iching the coun- munerative prices. They do not have bore- try 'as a whol e. I demanport and think we are in need of nearly 90 Jakh drinking water facilities. tonnes of fertilizers. So, we have to im- Port neatly 40 lakh tonnes of fertilizers. In India, there are six lakb villagel. This 'Will cost a large amount of foreign ex- change. So, in order to avoid it, Govern. Out of these, we have been able to provide mont of india should come forward to es· drinking wafer only to 129,000 'Ii llaaes tablish new fertilizer jt1du~trtes in: our country, to meet the demands of our a&ri. Moreover, in India, we are able., ~ . Cultural farmers. provide electricity only to two Jath an~. ~o ,thou'and. viUaaea whic;h is not clloqah. So far as dry. CarOlerS' are concerned, 'The Government should come fonv.d. tbe)' ,are tbe moat affecled people ,. in our with more measures to improve tPc' dJraI , . cOttntry, bOth .b~. drou.bt "Dd by flood. areas by all~tia. mote f\lads for rUal' ..._1" t,'" , .. " TJi.,_,liAd'" (at., ,aro .~'tllv

'"t. SHRIMATI PHULRENU GUHA vil,lales b&ve to be CO Ilstrucl,ed, and this (Contai): I rise to s\Jpport the ])e. work should be given. due import;1J;JCe" mands for Grants of the Ministry of It must be, understood. tha' provision·. 'or Agriculture and Rural Development, excellent main ronds, adequate in all thoulb a fairlY new. is one of the mO$t respects for every form Q( trans,port is of important Departments ot the Central little benefit to the cultivator. What Government. matters most to him is the existence of a good fNld between his viUage and tbe main India is based on villages and road and his market. unless the living conditions of villages are improved, tbe real improvement in India It therefore, imp) ess upon that a long is not possibl c or cannot be conceived. with the policy of developing m<\in roads should go that of developing communica· We are proud of the achievements tions between main road~ and these brought about in the country after indepen- viJJages which are not situated immediat- dence. The country which could not pro" eJy upon them. duce a ne~dle in 1947, is HOW iu a posi· tion to land a man on the moon. On the Besides, absence of any roads worth food froot also we have achieved self.. the name, there are no dispensaries, sufficieney. Pfior to independence, the leaVe aside hospitals. country had to depend for its requirements of wheat and ric~ Oll imports from abroad. Where hospitals do exist, they have Now we are in a position not only to 110 medicienes. and in many places meet our own requirements but also to there are no properly trained medi. donate wheat/rice to the needy countries, cal pel sonnet. It is surprising how the whenever they arc in need of them. peopl! are surviving. Similarly many of the people in these villages are suffering But the impact of unprecedented achieve- because not mar., schools are there; or menu~ made by the oounlry 10 various the schools are functioning almost under fields, has unfortunately not be..cn felt the trees because they do not bave proper 10 majority of these villa.ges and the buildings. people 10 these villages are still living in· miserable conditions as they used LO Another handicap from which the llvc prior to ind~pendence. people of these areas suffer is acute shortage of drinking water. Sweet or po- Tak.e for iuslance tht: case of Contai. table drinking water is unknown to many Cuntal, do tiub-divisJon of Mldnapore district villages. It is really pilthetic to think In W c.,t .t:Ieugal; bas hardly auy luau in that In the twentieth century some villages the vHlage~ and as such the villages have do not have even drinkins water facilities. no facility of lravellins by a bus or Who are the sufferer:. 1 The most suffe- jeep. Even a bullock-cart cannot 80 to rers are women because they have to many VilHl.jCS. br inl wat.er from long long distances.

The importance of transport from the We find that in the seventh Lok Sabha economic, adminis trative.. cultural and report it was recommended that one SOCial points of vie;;w hardly need special drinklDi water weJl should ,.be provided for emphasIs. Lack of hansPort facil.lties every five kilometles at Jeast. But we creates dlilicuhy 1ll th\; procurement and do not tind any implementation of that disposal of products. Thouah in tho past rocommendation. three decades or so, lber'c has b~en appreCiabJe Increase In tbe means of . Another point which I w.ant to empha- ttansport and communication sut.;h as sise il that wherever there IS· any youth railways, roads, the need for ,aDslulction capable of doing any \York.' he shouJ~ be of rOllds i~ tbese villaaes bas been nea1octed. cncouraaod aDd the .eJection abould be If .tbe~ ,'. ~iUales ar e to be made worth on merits but not on other' eODsicteratiodS. 'Uvinl '-'tbe fLU'al peopLe are to aet due Tboi.c are QO other ~r&QlOD1.uI. ill 'dwse ,oW.uG 'for t~l labout I roadS . ·ia .tboIe vii_" ftn achllt ..dOD Of· f.otl_ VAISAtHA lOt 1.90'··(SAKA) litera",.. Bur aeeording to t~e 'ofticial Rs. ·121.24 lakhs but the· e~pend'tUte reports· the West Bonlal Government has waS onl). Rs. 42.90 lakhs and tbe number surrenfe"red the mon~ provided for a?ult of women benefited was 30,942. education. But when voluntary oraanisa~lons apply for funds in almost all the cases In 1984, tbe aUotment ",at Ra. they are d~nied. 433.75 laths, eX'Penditure was Rs. 29,295 lakhs and the women bereftt ed were only Shnitatly, as per the official records in 18,563 upto D,ecembcr J 984. I think no this very House the West Bengal Govern. comment is needed that even with this ment has surrendered a sum of Rs. 873 allocation of money, development of cror es ou t of the allotment made (or women and chtldren are neglected. Let drinking water in rural areas. On rhe the Government ten us what action they other hand, it pleads lack of funds for propose to tnke in this regard. this purl'ose. It appears that in West Bengal Planning the implementation of the Family Lastly I would request. ,the bon. programme is not functioning well because Minister through you to have a cel1 to wherever you go you will see a large num- look after the women and children affairs. ber of children in the villages .. In parts If the women's develol'ment itt kept with of Mjdnapore people can produce a large the general section, not much can be crop of ri';e provided adequate facilities achieved. We find this from the expendj. for irrigation purposes i~ made avaiJable ture Jist. This is the centenary year of tbe to them. A scheme entitled 'Bhagwanpur- National Congress. I suggest· that the Nandigram' master plan was prepared by Minister of Agriculture a]ong with the the Government of West Bengal, at an Minister of Works and Housing should estimated cost of Rs. 8 crores 40,000, decide to arrange water for cultivation in and lefeTred to the Central Government each villa\lc. The drinking water ~uppJy for approval. It has been tossing between facility stould &llso be provided in each the Centra) Government and the West village. We must not forget unless we Bengal Government. The scheme should start providing the minimum facilities to be finalised immediately, without any the village people, they cannot proaress further delay. In the twenti eth century and we also cannot reach our goal. when India is proud of the scientific achievements, it is a pity to see that the ( TransiationJ people in villages are still sufferin. for want of bare necessities to Jive. The SARI JUJHAR SINOH (Jhalawar) : sufferings of women are manifold. Their Mr. Chairman, Sir, I rise to express my children do not have facilities for proper views on the Demands for Grants, of the educat ion; nor do they have the facilities Ministry of A.lI'iculture. During, the PIlSt for medical care. There are no child- thirty five Years our-country h98 made care centres; nor any centres for the tremendous progress in the field of IlI'icul. physical and mental developm~nt of the ture. The Acreage of, and production from children. To aVOid many of women and irrisated land has increased. In the matter these shortcomings need a re-thinkina of foodgrains our.. country was not self- in the development of tbe villages is cailed sufficient at the time of independence and for. Needless to say. unless villases foodgrains used to be imported from ror~­ n develop we cannot boast of bavi 8 deve- ign countries to meet tbe demand of tbo lopment in our country. A new plan for peopJ e, b~t now our-country is meeting the d~velopmcnt of the villasea is the our entire demand from domestic ~roduc. key Of th ~ hour. We have to 'see that tion. Now our-country is haViDI so tmJC:h the villqe people providod with ·are production of foodgrains that it hal the the minimum 'requirement,. capaci ty' to expor t it to other countries after mcetinl our entire domestic dmwtd. l wqlild Hk~ to brina before you a but ~. wou~d .11ke to draw. the aUeaUoD,of .rious matter about tbe devolopment of tbe HOUle· '0. certain points whfcb rell,. ,,-.rut ~Ad(~~ i~ ~~.~, {'J~,alar.aa. ~o .Dl~ ~wn constituency. Firat Qf aU~ 1 w_ bu;l.et~ry ,tillo~At Ia 1,18344 tbo, . was ,wQaijd !~ tQ. d(aw ~'ODt,iO~[ towardt .. 'be . 't ,,' I ' ,t 1 • ! 4 ~ If, . ,~!$ J)~lWfd.s. /Qr ,GllNdS

[S~ri ~L~blr Si"ghl . an amount of Rs. 27,2).,000 w_ speat ,on leveJliog 'of 1368 acres of 'land tad dulna 'problem or soil I an erosion. represent the F!fth Five Year Pia", an an)ouat of with rivers tlnd are ftowing area many they Rs. 21.:00,000 was spent 0.). lewUiftI-of at just a distance of three to four miles 1.044 acres of J~Jld. But the ent~re Irea hm ,one another. The flow of the river which was Jevelled has been tumed"jnto ,iI' :such that it is causin,g extensive soil ravines again due to lack of proper main- ,erosion. During tbe last th·irty ,years I tenance. lhe area started d'eterioJating \h~ve, felt th4!t the utilisation of land r~r once again and there have been ravines .Iricultural purpo.ses is not being·done.1O once again. I woul.d: therefore, requ~t the manner in which it . should hnve beea you that you should pay more attention done. The .land earmarked for other towards this r.robJ(m and take suitable purposes is some- timc~ diverted unautho-- steps to check the erosion of agricultural ri~edly to agriculture which has been th.c lan~ and make special efforts to protect the cause of inc-reased soil erosion, This sOlI land from soil erosion in our area. ,er(jsion has affected agl'icultural production also. The hOD. Minister and tt1e officers or the Ministry of Agriculture mii}ht be Mr. Chairman, Sir~ the hon, Member aware of the fnct that according to the who spoke before one has already explain. available figurec;, the total acreage of ed thnt despit e progress in the agricultural llaricultural 12nd is stated to be 266 mil- fie)d~ the per acre production on our lion hectares, out of which 17 S million ("ountry is far !~S than that in other coun· hectares of J2.nd hav{' been affected by soil tries. According to available fi8ures, ctosion ,in one way or the other resulting in whereas the per hectare production on loss of agricultural production. The area oth er countries is 4 to 5 tonnes per hectare wbi.::h I represent here is aft'cctcd very production in our ",ountry is only much by soil erosion. I represent the 1.47 tonnes. In my view. there are certain Kola area of Rajasthan and there are reasons for less production and the most ravines in 12.5 lakh acres of land in the important among them are soil erosion and entire Rajasthan. Out of this 12.5 lakh laok of J)roper I~:nd and water management. acres of ravine land, 6.7 S lakh acres of Due to lack of proper attention in this land are in Kota division only. SS per regard, the production of our crops is cent of the total ravine land is in Kota going down. I want that Government area. You can well imagine the enormity Fhould take proper steps to check this of rav'in e land in the Kota ar ea by th is problem. f(lct. If aaricultara 1 land is not utilised properly, if land is a 11 ott ed without giving The $ccond pOint to which I would like . proper thought, margin land is also to draw the attention of this House is land al lotted and land is demanded of trees and reforms. There is a lot of controversy the,bounclary of land is done away with nnd about it in our c;ountry. There are certain the laoundary land of the villages is also figures regarding lond reforms on page 44 anoU..ed and proper steps are not taken of the book whicb has been supplied to us repr()ing utilisation of land, then you can regarding the activities of Ministr) of :'V~tY well imagine the adverse effect thereof Agriculture and Rural Development. It in produetion and th.;. damage caused has been stated in that book that there were tbe"eby to the J:lnd whioh -is alr'eady different. JaJJd ceiliDI laws in var,ious .tates affected by ravines so extensively. of the country and all of them were *'ec- tive laws. With a view to brilll about ·Mr. Chairman. Sir ~ the Government of uninformity among them. the Central :R.ajaUhan had formulated a s cherne some OQvernm~J)t fors.ulated i ,a natiQnal policy , &)me . .'back for levelling of the land in the in 1972 and as ,or the Dational directfv~, .'Viae, a!oa end lOme area 'Was levelled also a second law was brought forward and tbus durlni tbe Fourth and fifth Five Year Plan a uniform land ceiling law came into exis- '.pOl'i.oO.' Ht,;this scheme was 80 exp~nsive , tence t11 the entin country. I WelcOme ,the , tbat:jt CotUd not be pursued futther and bad uniform law' whicb fetnoved the ahot1eom. . to ,be abaAdoaed durin. the Sixth 'Five 'Year ifift -in ~e .~~(!, 1a",8 'and ,\ {be Ar\l¢n~fPj~" ·l'1an. Duriq tho p·ourth £live Year PlMt, wli .,Ori:cd ta 1" 2. B\U "'ov.(.tIl iJ '1901 (S.4KA) (General), 198$.. 86 VAISAKHA, 10, , 2,$8

would Uke to say tbat some of the short- 14.32 bourSe Comibll which were sought to be removed through' the new legislation hav,e been ftEn,lishJ incorporated in the new law in their original form. The reforms which we had expected through the new law have not SHRI K. MOHANDAS (Mukunda· materialised and the neW legislation bas puram): Mr. Chairman. Sir t this is my become meaningless. I would, therefore, maiden speech in the House. I support 1ike to submit that in Rajasthan' the Jaw the Demands for Grants of the Ministry which was enacted in 1973 sl'ould remain of AgricuJtur c. in force. The n'ew Jaw enacted after making certain changes in the previous Jaw India is primarily an agricultural coun. contained two main points. First, wh,at try and its economy to a large ext ent II should be the basis for measuring the area based on agriculture. During the pait of the ceiling? The previol1s Jaw was one and a half decades, grell.t progress based on production. T'h e hen. Minist er h~s been achieved in our agricultural would be surprised to know that according production. That is why, today, we are to the earlier legination, if the production able to expert rood~nlirs to other coun- was up to 300 'mt\.lnds of focdgraios, it tries. It must be r(membtHd thft .in the t was a11 right, but jf the production was mind '70s, we had to depend on the im. more, then the surplus 1and of the farm u port of food~rajns from the U'nited States would be tak (n away. Such \\ as the under PL·480. But due to fh~ hard work previou'~ Jaw! If you ca)culat e the price put by our flltmers in the f.eld and the of 300 maur.ds according to the current reseDrch undelta~fn ty ('I'l sdertiHs in market price, it comes 10 Rs. 18,000 ~nd the ltbon:tori cs rnd :1 be,\, e all! he priority if the cost of prodt;,ct ion is dcdl.c(ed, only given to the agJicultl're by our Govern- a E-um of Rs. 9,O()O is left for a family in men t, today we have b{en nb1 e to accordfnce Y,i1h fhe afcrefaid law. That achie\e a pro(;'l!ction of mere th(in lSI law was amended ar.d a ntw legisJation was million tonnt;~ rf f(od~rnjns. In this con. brought but de~pite thc amendment in the text, "hat I want to tel] the Government legislation, the sam;: old. Jaw is still in is that evervthirg must be done for keep.. force. You can yourself sec that an amount ing up this tempo of production. The of only Rs. 9,000 is allo\\ed 'by you for tempo of producckn can be kept up by the maintenance of a farn-.er's family in ensunng rcmuneratrvc prices to the fflrmers accordance with the ~aid Jaw, which is less for their pr~ducc. Unfortunately, this than the salary of a peon. Such discrimi- matter does not seem to have been gi\:en nation iS,Dot proper. adequate attention. Of course, the Government has always been sayir'g that [English] it is the poh~y of the Government to pay remunerative price to the farmers. But MR. CHAIRMAN: Hon. Member's the Agricultural Prices Commission bas time is up. Please resume your seat. always failed to fully appreciate the en.. ormous increase in the cost price or [Translation) agricultural commodities. After every Budget, the cost of inputs goes up. But SHRI JUJHAR SINGH : I w(iuld like there is no increase in the prices fixed by to submit that due to' shortage of tim e I the A.P .C. so as to upset the increased In am unable to make my point. The law the cost of production. It is lIme that the which is based' on production is defective matter should receive the earnest attention and ~Y tbis law you want to put restrictions of the Government. The price of paddy Oil ,a farmer a8 a result of which t be is a case in point. The paddy cultivators of rattner"s f.unily will not be able to make ' Kerala are the worst ~utl'erers as CUltiVa- both ends meet. I would, therefore, urge tion of paddy has become the most un- tbe Central Oovemmen t to direct tbe State economical. The price they let does Dot Government to· enforce the new Jaw in tbe cover the cost of production. In Keral., Sta~ ,tnd the previous legislation should as you know, there aTe no big farmers who. be cte~ed to bave been resCinded. own a thousand or two tbousaad or flv, APR.IL 30, 1985

[Shd K. Mohandasl the decline in the quality or coconut, CODJa becomes lighter and contains Jes~ oil. ThUI, thousand acres of paddy fi-~ld. They~. the production of coconut oil tOQ ha, deelfn. mo~t1y small and medium farmers. They ~d. Sir, according to an estimate out of 915 cannot .absorb the increase in the cost of lath coconut palm~ from Trivandrum to inputs. The resu1t is that the farmers of Trichur, 296 lakh palms are atrected by Keralu' are slowly giving up the cultivation this disease. It is estimated that the total of paddy. Therefore, request is that my production of coconut will come down by a realistic poJicy with re~ard to th~ price 90 crores and 14 lakhs tJli4i lear. of paddy should be formulated so that the interest of the small and medium farmers As you know, the poor people of i~ prottcted. I am happy that the Govern ... ment poiog reconstitute the Agricultural Kerala use Coconut leaves to thatcn their to houses. If the leaves are of good quality, Prices Commi~sion by increasing the num- the houses need to be thatched only once ber of farmers rep res enta tiv eS on ·it. This year. But because of the disease, the is a welcom'c step. quality of even the co(..onut leaves has decJined and the people are m~lCle to thatch The paddy cultivators of Kera)a who their houses at least twice a year. have tak en loans from the financial ins- , titutions are nnAble to pay back the Joan. The State Government is certain)) The high rates of wages paid to the agri- trying its best to provide relief to the cultural labourers cannot be reduced. farmers. But it has its own limitations. Added to that, the high price of fertiliser, Intensive research has to be undertaken pesticides. etc. have created a heavy to identify the causes of these diseases and burden on them. ]n this context, I want remedial measures found. The Central to S:lY 1hat since 1970~.71, the agricultural Government has to help the State in prodllction in Kerala has not impro\ed. this respect. The disease has to be Although K ('rata is the first State which effect jveJy checked. Simi]arly, the co- has implemented land reforms, figures conut growers who are in acut e distress show that land reforms have not resulted need every kind of help. in any increase in th e af'ricultural produc- tion. In this context, I would bring to i:he notice of the House a serious situation As a matter of fact, the existing sys. created by the Government itself. It has tem is totalJy inadequate to er,sure increase been decided to import copra and coconut in production as well us remunerDtivc oil. As [have said earJier, due to the prices for the farmers of Kerala. -The disease and the drought in 1983, there f1r.ancia 1 posit ion of the Stat e is not c;uch was extensive desfruction of coconut as would enable it to help the farmers palms and the total loss on this account in any significant manner. Therefore, is estimated around Rs 300 crores. J\dded the Centre should help the State' with to that, now the Government is impOrt- liberal financial assistance. ing these items. This has resulted in steep decline in the prices. During tbe Having sa'd this, I must draw the atten. past one month alone, there has been a tion of the Government to the problems decline of about 30 per cent. being f~ed by the cocon~t. Coconut trees are affected by a fatal disease talled Sir, Kerala '5 economy" as you kno_, . foot-wilt. This has dtstroyed large areas is ~ased on coconut and any decline in en coconut plantation. Coconut trees in coconut prices win ruin it There'ore, the dirtricts of QuiJon, Alleppey, JCotta- th e Oovemmen t bas a responsibiJ ity to yam, Pathanamthitta, Idukky and Brna· belp the growers and save the economy 'or kulam arp facing total destruction. In Kerala. I would,suJlest that 1be Central Trivandrum and Trichur districts, .th:re is Government take '8 final d-ecisfoD witH Partial destruction. The result is that tbe resard to import only after djlCUl4In, it producti

I Central Pl~nt.ation Crops .Research Insti- be processed and used as cattle fodder for tute, the Agriculture Cermrtment of increasing the milk yield. Industries Kerala t elc. have jointly conducted a ,. based on this can be set up. Then all kinds survey and this survey reveals that the of fruits are available in our State. ann':lat Joss to Keraln on account of the Banana, pine apple, guva, mango', cashew decline in production of coconut is around apple etc can be processed and fruit jUJce Rs. 300 crores. can be produced on a Jarge scale. The Modern Food Industries Ltd is already Another point to which I want to draw operating in the field of fruit-juice pro- the attention of 1he Government is that cessing. This Undertaking can be as~ed the farmers of Kerala are not fully free to set up a plant in 'Kerala to make fru;t from the impact of the severe drought that juice. Thus; there is tremendous scope occurred in 1982-83. for tbese kinds of industries in Ke rala. If such industries are set up, the unem- ployment problem could be relieved to The Centre had given some help, but some extent. The unemployment prob 1em that is not enough. The State Govern-' is very acute in Kerala. The main reason ment had demanded Rs. 603 cr ores to tide is that there has been industriuli&ation over the crisis, but what has been san- not in that State. The Central investment ctioned by' the Centre is only Rupees One is negligible. It is far below the national ~rore. For the Seventl1 Plan, Kerala aVerage. Therefore, the CeDICIO! soouid has demanded Rs.3,300 crorcs. But you show a little more consideration to Kera la. wiH be surprised to know that the amount If a chain of agro-based industri es i ~ set going to be allotted will be only Rs. 1,600 up, we wiJI be able to find job to our crores. We will have to drastically cut educated young men and wumCl1. \Vhen many of our developmental plans. The our Prime Minister is young aud -lly .. drought-relief measures will be seriously namic person, we must pay more attention affected. It will take at least 5 to 6 years to the pfobl ems of the youth. Uu~mploy .. to rehabilitate the plants which have been ment is a problem which destroys the damaged in the drought. If no mO~ley moral e of our youth. Therefore, it should is allotted,. no r(;!habilitarion work is possi. be solved on a war footing. It can be ble. This IS quite unfortunate, as in solved only through iuJustrialisat ion. This other fields, in the field of agriculture also, matter should receive the earnest aUen tion Kerala. is being neglected. Therefore, I of the Government. would request the GOYernment to raise tl'l~ allocation for drought relief measures I hope the hon. Minister wil) pay whi;h are very important for revivin~ the economy of Kcrala. Therefore, I would some attention to the points 1 have made. request the Government to meet the With this hope, I once again support the demand of the State and release adequate demands and conclude .. financia I h eJp. SHRI RAJ MANGAL PANDEY Kerala produces rubber, tapioca, c<>- (Deoria): Sir, I rise to support the coa etc. aplft from yther crops. So; there demands for grants' of the IviinisltY of is ,reat scop~ f0r setting up agro-based Agriculture and Rural Development. industries. Unfortunately, no step has so Everybody here in this House is' aware far been taken in ltllS rega.rd. 9 S % of the . that agriculture is the base of our natio- natural rubb:r produced in India IS from nal economy. The more we produce, Lbo Keral-a. A large nUlD ber of ~ma!l and more foreign exchanae we caIn and that medium industries bJ.sed 01 rubber can will boost oar national economy. But . it be set up l1l' diff ",rent parts of Kerala. is only from the last 5 or 6 years that 'we Simlt~rl)', CJcoa·proce ising units can be hayo been able to produce mOle. "ibis is lot up whi{;o Will bl} a pr~tiLable . affair. tbe bane of our ccollomy. The attention Ta.pi9ca u~ed to be a fOJd crop Out nOw that is reql.ured for the dcve10pm-':Jlt, ,of . i~ is b .ang u;.:J . fess ai a fl,)i.)J crop and agrj~Jlture bas not been give(\ untli tho ,Jllot~ a~ raw material for stare 1 Lnlkinj etc. Fourth Five Year Plan. Later Oil, 'we havo 'Now .c"o~h ~ . p~o,VOQ that. ta~oca OIUl boQatod ()ur aari~ult\1ral production "IQ ~6 3 Demandl for Grants APRIL 30, i 98$

[Sbri Raj Mangal Pandey] With all the bumper crop we ~ve .bad this year, it is surprising that we have much that in the year, 1983.84 we ~ad to pay about Rs. 1100 crores as subsidy a record production of 1 S 1 million tonoes. on foodgrains and Rs. 182 crores on Even this year in 1984.85, we, expect sugar. Our planning has been so bad that, similar amount of production. whenever we have a bumper crop, the prices faJl substantially and the farmers The difficulty in our agricultural set- do not get remunerative prites. It is the up is that we do not have many research peasants who ultimately suffer. This is the centres to enable our farmers, our growers, position that we find in the case of wheat, to be benefited by the researches under- rice; potato, jute and cotton. You will taken. We do not have the required find that the producer~ are neglected so laboratories where soil-testing could be much that they do n'ot gct remunerative done, and the growers do not know what prices and virtually they have to lose their , kind of fertiliser will their soil need. The principal amount as we1l. resu1t is indiscriminate use of ferHlisers. And there will come a time, our scien- This year, 1 am informed, the FCI do tists say, perhaps after a decade or two, not expect to purchase as much' wheat as when much of our land might become is expected of th,em because they have so barren because of indiscriminate use of much of surplus wheat that they do not fertilisers. have space in the godowns to keep the incoming'" foodgrains. The result is, 1hey The cost of agricultural operation has havoe E!iven some kind of instructions to lone up sO,high that, unless we have ser- purchase as little as_ possible. If tht$ is vice cooperatives or service centres from so, this will bring disaster or ruin to our where we could give our farmers all kinds growers and virtualJy they will be depriv. of help, financial service, tractor service, ed of even the cost of production because loaning and all other kinds of help, our the cost of production has been coming economy will not improve. to nearly Rs. 150 or Rs. 151;

Even with this high cost of production, The Department bad a proaramme tor we are producing so much ,that this year we reclaiming usaf land. But that pro- are probably going to export about ten mil. gramme has not been working satis. hon tonnes of foodgrains. It is a mat ter of factorily. Hardly 5 % of the land has been great satisfaction, and the Ministry should reclaimed in 20 years and even tha t land be congratulated on their wonderful efforts has not been rivinS us so much of return and for the way they have been handling for the cost invested in its reclamation. this department. So we have to find out some other metbod by continuous research so that more of our usar land is reclaimed and distri· The working of the institutions which buted to our poor people. have been handling the lendin! system is far from satisfactory. Our cooperative institutions, when they give loan to the Then with regard to IRDP loans, they peasants, sometimes go in for foried bonds are not gii/en to the deserving people. So with the result that the amount becomes it haii not helped to lift our poor people irrecoverable. So is the case with our ins- above the poverty line and their condition titutions which real ise Ievy from food- has been virtually the same as the distri· Itains. The Fel and the cooperative ins- bution ,of these loans is not done properly titut.ions which realise the levy cheat our and it is not the needy, person who bas peasants so much that, when there is a been aettinl it and rather the sam,e old levY prioe of RSt 157/. por quintal for peopl e manoeuvre things to tbeir advatttaJe whOat, tbe fa~mer hardly sets Rs, 145 or and th ey somehow manipulate thinas in R.I. 147 per ,Qwntal. The hone Minister such a way that ,they are the beneficiartes ahould take Dote of this and see t~at this and tho .peoplo for wbom tho~e loana ato 'lad of buo,iiQI or ~b catinl is ttopped, , moant are dopriv cd of it. • \ • " f' , '1 :' , , VAISAKHA to, 1907 (SAKA) (General), i98j_8~ 266

'The department hal been very much Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Deve- neglecting sometimes when we have lopment. UndoubtedlY the low rate of diseases in our crops. 'Detection of diseases inftation, achievement of self-sufficiency and the treatment takes such a long time in foodgrains and oilseeds are indicators that there is a gap in between that by the of growth with stability. The record grain time the disease is detected and treatment production of 151.5 million tonnes during is given. the crop:; virtually die. This year 1983·84 is a big achievement. the wheat crop in the west.!rn districts of Uttar Pradesh is affected by pyriIJa and In our country out of the total gea- it has affected almost 70 %of the wheat graphical area of 329 million hectares crop. It is now more th.an a month and the only about 140.3 mi liion hectares are aerial spraying, h~s not been done so presently available for cultivation. that far and the result will be that whatsoever is, about 53 per cent of the geographical we expect to produce this year, I think a area. With the population explosion we large quantity to be produced from the maY require 240 million tonnes of food- western sector of UP we shall be depriv- grains by the end of this century and our ed of. cultivation process is not like just Ame- rica. There it is extensive cUltivation lt is gratifying to noto that production whereas in India we have intensive culti· of foodgrains during 1983-84 touched a vation becL\use of non-availability of land. level of 151.54 million tonnes marking a Under these circumstances we should quantum jump of 18.24 minion tonncs see how best our production could rise. over tbe earlier peak of 133.3 million To do that there should be organised tonnes achieved in 1981·82. Both kharif input management and secured water and rabi crops contributed to this increase, supply for irrigation and also secured pur- though the bulk of the increase ea'me chase price of agricull ural produce. There from kharif harvests. It is also gratifying should also be secured sale price and to note that in 1983·84 the production sellinr of the agricultural produce by Lhe of ,kharif foocigrams incr eased over the farmers at the maximum support of the previous year by 19.20 million tonnes and Government. that of rabi by 2.82 million tonnes. A notable feature of the quantum jump is Sir, development of new varieties of the contribution of the eastern and central seeds is certaintly r~sponsible for Breen regions. revolution. The breeder, foundation "and certified seeds should not be exported. In the end I shall request th~ Agri- Of cour~, it has been restricted but that culture Minister to set up as much research restriction should be cent per cent. The centres as possible so that the peasant universities and leAR should see that theso could be benefited and they could use breeder and foundation seed') are supplied their land for the crop for wh ich it is to different States and the cultivators ale best suited. Crop consciousness has to be given only certified seeds. created in their minds and for that agri- cultural education has to be imparted to Sir, as regards credit f~cility tho them so that they may know what kind less said the bett er. Of course, govern. of fertilizer their soil needs. Unless this ment is navinF schemes and assistance is is done we cannot produce ns much as given to the Statet; but this assistance possible. Other countries like Japan, China never rea~hes the States in timo and and Thailand are producing twice and some· much lesl to the cultivators in villages. times thrice as much as we produce 'with This credit which is to be given to oulti. much less' land. In . 3S years we have vators in time never reaches them in time. hardly ~rouaht 22 % of' our land under So, it is more mis·utiliseU than be utilistd irriaatioD. This is a matter which we have for more ttroduetion. Similar is the CIS 0 to seriously take note of. With these with fertilisers. The fertilisers to different remark.s I support the Demands of the Stalts should bo liven in timo. Un_ Aaricu)ture ~In istrS' • fertilisers, techDolOlY seeds and' ,secured ,8&lpply, is mad' ,to SHill SOMNATH RATH (Aska) ~ water I.w.bl. cultWatoIi ' " lir. 'I rilo to support _. Deman.. of tbe ill time tho PfDll'a=- formod"bOrt,fallf. * ;.~ ,I t.; 26" 'Dtmands lot Grants

{Shri Somnath 'Rath] of sonerating income it· only gen~tates hatr edt This is an Important factor which want of implementation and our production needs the consideration of GoverUpl.eDt. wl1ich would have gone further hil!h has Tbe annual Report of the Ministry s\JPp. been reduced~ So, the.se are the things. Jied to us speaks the same thing. I am Timely supply of aU these inputs to' the reading from page 11 of the Annual Re- cultivator is very very necessary. port. It says :-

14.59 hrs. "The study carried out by NABARD reveal that the programme had [MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in lhc Chair] helped 47% of the beneficiaries to cross the poverty line and also Similarly, for dry hnd farming helped push up the aVf':rage income water sbeds or small irrigation tanks arc of beneficiary by 82 %. The reserve .very very helpful and the Soil Coo5erva- Bank of India study indicates that Hon Departments of different States und~r the assistance provided under the this scheme have been given crores of programme has resulted in a pro- rup~cs. I am thankful to the Government gressiVe shift in rural income in of India that in 1983· 84 they have given respect of 51 % of the ben eficiaries Rs. 6 crores to Orissa. Through these and 17 % for being able to cross small irrigation taqKS the agriculturists are the poverty I inc." very mucb benefited and it has helped dry land farming. So, importance should be Apart from some wrong identification attached to this programme. of beneficiaries backward and forward linkage have been found ·to be insufficient 15.00 hrs. in many ·cases J1

Regarding rural development, thece What is needed to implement these are many schemes which have been intro- schemes and programmes is honesty, duced to help the small farmer.), marginal sincerity dedication for the officials and farmers and landl ess labourers. There are an awareness among the beneficiaries that schemes like IRDP NREP, RLEGP, they are the p~rsolls who have to get DPAP, DDP, and the Minimum Needs' these benefits. Instead of the pOJr people Programme. To raise the income of the s~tting these benefib we find at time villagers, that tS, for income .. generation, the rich people encroach upon it. It is and the cross the poverty Hne targets have not thlt there is no achievement. There been fixed in dl1fel'cnt blocks and also are very good achievements but tbe achie- for the country as a whole. But what we vement will be better if these loopholes are find is that at the imp! emeotatioD stage the plugged. There is a commLlnication gap banks do not come forwJ.rd whulc hearte- between the persons or beaeficiaries who dJy to SUPPOrL the poor people. Their aim are to get the benefits and the officers is how they can recqver the 10.\0 advaaced supervising the sam~. Th~rc is no super- by them. Subsidy amount' are given by vision whether the loall or subsidy gIVen Governmcu(; but ltle banks are utllis'n. to the beneficiaries are properJy utilised that money gtven by the Oovern- or not, or cis e it will be r¢duced to a lU~nt ut.it'S~ olh~rwise for tht months i:or subsidy-taking scbeme. Unless those makiaa profits. They are not interested to loans alld Subsldie:; are utilised for whlcb lend the money to the bene- they are grQQted, tne p.:ople cannot &!jadeli out ,on ,'he otaer nana "ley thom- cross th~ poverty line. fnere IS no proper setvos want to gel protit out of tbis sub- infra·structure in the blocks, which are ,s.Kiy alDJUut. nu~ ~hOU1Q b~ cuecked. at tll~ grossroot levols for impl~mentatwn. T.be)' are ,nooou,t

foodaraina. Accordinlto tbe proll8mme, may please be set up during the '1tb Pfan~ after the day's wor",' foodsrai,ns is to be Orissa has already made available enoup. given to labourers along with money. But land, and has come forward witb ali kinds I would point out that the foodgrains of belp in a big way, for o~inl'.' sbould be given at the wotk.spot. The Research Centre. I hope the hone Mini$tor labour,eTl who are engaged in the work will give his helping hand in carryiDI out under this scheme, are to 10 miles and various agricultural schemes in Orissa m.iJes away to get the foodsrains. This State. Orissa being l'redominently an practice is to be stopped. agricultural State~ it will grow more ' with, tht assistance given by the Centre. As far as Orissa is concerned, in 1984· 8S, the achivemeQt is no less in food produc- tion. it ha~ reached. It has achieved iHRIVAKKOM PURUSHOTHAMAN maximum by producing 70 1akh tonnes of (Alleppey) : While supporting the dermmds foodgrains. Water Jogging in Orissa is a for Agriculture, J am proud to say tbat rndjan~ big problem for cultivation. So, stepS I am an because the progress we should be taken for removing water logging. have achieved in 'the field of Agriculture Unless irrigation projects are funded by in the past, after independenGe is' tremenl. the Central Government in a big way there dons, marvel10us and creditabJe. I am' can be no brtter irrigation in Orissa. In especialJy proud today because in the current Indo-Soviet this House, my previous speaker mentioned Trade Protocol, we about the root-wilt disease damaging coco- have agreed to export five lakh tonnes of nut plants. I would request the hone Agri- wheat to USSR and has also been decided to supply one Jak'h tonnes of wneat as an culture Minister to visit Orissa and see aid to some of the drought affected African bow the 'sakhigopaJ' variety of coconut is countries. root·wilt resistance an6 introduce the same in all other States. Sir, ~t the time of Independence, we were producing not even 50 million lonnes The leAR deals with the Agricu1tural of foograins, and t'oday we are producinp. Universities as the UGC deals with the more than 1 SO million tonnes. USSR general universities in the country_ The is seven times bigger in size than that of Agr icultural Universities are starting the India and its population is only about one- A~ricu1tur'8] colleges only when they are third of ours. But stm, we are exporting sponsored by the Government. I can give wheat to USSR. May I ask those friends you an example. In Ganjam district in the Opposition who always ask as to of Orissa there is great demand for an what we have achieved after Independence AgricllJtural college to be started by the during the Congress rule; whether it is Government or by private Man<1gement. an achievem en,t or not? I am proud T~e demand is geniune. Agriculturists of to say that this is an achievement and Oanjam dittt. are the best agriculturist it is a revolutionary progress that we have of Orissa State. ICAR 'ought to assist made in the field of agriculture in the Agricultural University of Bhubane~war, country. Orissa 'in a big way to start an Agricultu.' ral College in Oanjam District. Wbere- AN HON. MEMBER: What about ver .the agriculturists are interested in China ? opening' a privat e agricultural college, they should be encounged. I would like to SHRI VAKKOM PURUSHOTHAMAN : invite the attention of the hone Minister I will come to tha,t. While conlt'atula .. thar his preClecd90rs when vitlted Orissa ting the past Conarcss Governments, I and"he pro.rnised to sanction a KVK. Ceotro also coagratullll.te the great sci entist. of Ii\'en 'land near Bbaryanagar' ,in' Ganjam India, like Dr. SWaminatban who have DIsH. and' lnS'pcctJon Team, ba. also contributed much (or, the Green R,evoh .. liven' their recommen_,tioa, ..... as luch tion in this country. the'ltV" Centre ~r Bbar,anapr' ma, b6' 'established. A' new 'command, Atea Sir, still we 'can do a lot more in . the:' DC'lclopmcn,t Autbof'ity,' ilr'IU~.I.: apulture .e~t~ for tho asriculturists to irriptiOD lCame in Ganjam Di.tt. ' Orilla carD mOre -tor' " 'bottor' n,eUJioOd. '" I'D 'a~" 271, lHmtl"d, j'()r GfI'Ilts APlIL 30. 198~ (0,.r,/),19'$.. M 2'2

[Shri Vakkom purushothamanl farmers are leading a miserable ure. It consists or about 1.S 'Jakb urea, country Jike India, especially in my State and tb e entire ar ea is below sea level. Ttlat where the Jand reforms have been S'llcen.. is the peculiarty. WhereeJse can anyone fully iml'lemented~ there is no scope for see J.S lakh acres below sea level? extensive cultivation because there is no vtrgfn land left unu"ed. So, the only way It requires continuous pumping or for the farmer to earn more income is to water throughout cultivation. Also, even adopt intensive cultivation which includes though it is said to be a thicklY populated scientific cultivation. Fllr that. the Gove- area, there are no drinking . water and rnment~-both Centre nnd the States- transport facilities. So, a Kuttallad Deve- ha", e still much mor~ (0 do. A~ my ]opment Authority is to be constituted friend ha~ said. only 22.4 per cent of for the development of the entire !lI'ea. the agricultural nrea i~ irrigated in India. Without the Central assistance, it will be When compared to many of the big very difficult for the State to meet the en- countries. it is rea11y an achievement, tire expen~es for the same. So, I request because in China (a friend has asked about th.is Government to give st!ffid~nt aid as China) it is only 11 per cent even today. In a special case, taking into consideration USSR it is only 3.1 per crnt ard in USA the special features of thut area. it is on 1y 4, 8 l)t'r cent, So, more than 22 I'er cent is a hip. achievement and I Sir, Kerala is famous for its cash can boldly sa~ that we have made a lot crops, and W~ earn a lot of foreign,exchange of progres~. Necessar)l infrastnlcturc through the exports of those products. ~hou1il be provided for the scientific cuI· Of al1 the ('ash crop~, I will say that tivation in this entire country. We mU!it' coconut is the common man's or the poor prepare schemes for giving assistar.ct for man's prodUct. Through the implementa. (i) irri,.ating of the land; (ii) the supply tion of the ]and reforms, the poor hut. of fertiI izers; (iii) demonstration of im- dwellers in somebody's property are now proved technology; (iv) purchase of owners of that hut and the surroundinv ten good quality seeds; and (v) adoption of cents. Even that peor man will have plant protection measures. some coconut trees around his hut. The raJ) in price of the coconuts affects the Sir. I am ex~ rem ely happy to congra- entire economy of Keralo, and it affects tufate this Government for its d~ci8ion to the, poor man also. So, I request the introduce a comprehensi-Je scheme of Government to take immediate steps to Crop Insurance. This was a long standing ensure a fair price for our coconuts. The demand of our farmers. hon Minister of Agriculture haS' assured that there wiJI be no import 0 f coconut oil. With regard to foodgrains, the most I appreciate this good gesture of tbe difficult task of the Government is to Government of India, and of the Minister. ensure a reasonable price for the farmer But I request that the Central Oovern~ and a fa ir price to the consumer. This ment should come forward to help the demands that the Government should take poor farmer, b, fixina the floor price for necessary steps to reduce th~ cost of pro- the coconuts; otherwise, I fedr that ·prices ' dUction. In my State. people are convert- may fall still further, because of tho ex- ing paddy fields into coconut gardens, ploitation by the merchants at Bombay, even though there is a law prohibiting the and th e big business houses who produco conversion. How can we ask the people soap and other oil products. to continue paddy cultivation and enforce a law, for the same, when they are suffer- Diseases in coconut trees are quite COJJl~ ing heavy loss in its cultivation' In my mon, and they are spreading to new State, where the, wagp,s are comparatively' areas; but we could not so far find any, fair t the farmers are finding it ver), ,di· remedial methodq. A survey was conducted tfltult' to continue paddy cultivat ion. in the disease-affected areas und,er', coconut The graJ1ar)' of my State, _ Ktittanad, cuUivation in the State, and an estimate il in Ill)' constitutncy; and becauee ot R't. 390 ,crores as prepared /(or' tbe,' of tbe pcc:uliarity of that areal the foUowiD. requil'OlDents : ,I " ",(1) '(Jompen84tion for removal .f Three-fourths of t,M ·people of tbe oeuatrY d"ftwdeeted ,and une~omic ,aIm m are dependent on .,riculture ~nd. 74 per al'eete4, , ad other areas; cent of the work~rs dOiQg man~al ]about •• employment in agricuhure. The contri- (1) Subsidy on inputs for re .. plantina bution of agri~1illture to the Oovernm=t rovenues is 42 per cent. All these .. fact. tbe .,rden; and prO\'c that agriculture is, the back .. bone, of India's economic development. Therefore, ,(') Subsidy for establishiDl irriga· as long as we do not give top priority to tion unhs, etc. agri"u)ture in our country, a8 10Dg 81 Government do not consider agriculture as Soon, the State Oovernm~nt wiJJ be an industr), the country cannot progress. constitutitll a committe.e t~ gtve a formal The moment Government dedde that project report reprdinl thls. I request agriculture shouJd be developed on top that the Oovernment of India . should priority basis and it is to be deve10ped as come forward to help us in a bIg way an industry, the pace of development in for implementing these schemeS. the c.ountry will be accelerated from that v~ moment and the day the agriculture is For generating additional income fot fully developed, crores of educated and 'the farmers, we have to conc~ntrate o~ uneducated people in the cOU[ltry will be able to get emplovment-fhey may be dairy development and fisherl~s. Thul he1ps them to cross the poverty hne. I?u" workers doing manual Jabour, or people rina 1984.. 85, we earnedanctforelgn doing whit c collar jobs. or engineers, exchang.e amounting to Rs. 400 crores doctors, overseers or technicians. from fish export 'alone. Even now, we are the highest producer of fish amo~g th.e The first requirement of agriculture fs Commonwealth countries. Due to . mtens)- water, but even after 37 years of ind el'en. fication of various programmes to Jn~rease dence, we have not been able to provide fiish production, a growth rates of -32 %was water for the entire land in the country. From 2.S' crore hectares in 19 S()"S I, wo recorded during 1 971-1981. In or~er to give a further boost to fish productIon have been able to having only 5.75 crore we have to adopt deep-sea fishihg on a hectares of land under irrigation till today. large scale, and for that necessary vesse~s It means that there bas been an increase of only 3.24 crore hectares in our irrigation are to be produced. capacity during the last 3S to 36 years. It the work in respect of irrigation facilities In Kerala, there is much scope far continues to be done at this sPeed, it will increasinp fish production, both from the take as many as 100 or 125 years to brina sea and from inland wat ers, All c!'pey the entire land under irrigation. Therefore, is a· convenient place (or devel0pJttg a first of all, Government should formulate tlahinl harbour. So, I req\lest the Gov- a plan to provide water. As Jong as We crnm<,nt to talc e st e~ to develop An eppey do Jlot chalk out a ,pJan to provjde water at 1east as a minor fishins barbour under to the entire land in the country within tho centrally sponsored scheme. I once 5. to 7 years, we cannot achieve success. aaain ,support the Demands for Grants of this Ministry. Whereas the problem of irrigation was already there in the ,country, now a new [1'rQ""""] . problem of water lOlling has also come UPi The work on the'Oandak Project is gom, SHB.I RAM BAHADUR SINOH on in my constituency as'8 result of which, (Cbaprli) l Mr. Deputy Sp ..ter,. Sir, tbe • serious situation has been created there. total nUivable land ill our cou~try is Where-ever the canals of the Gandak Pro. about ',2 crore htctar_ oat of wl¥cb joqi' bave been constructed, th'ey arc aU 14.30 crore hectare. a. under sina1c crop 'kucMM Ind water seeps from them· at and more tban one ,crop is ~.ised OIl .bout maay places. 111(1 seepaae has resulted 'm '171 crOf° ," l14~ctarel. "i11d~ It~:7-O crore the .t(I,lo~.'prQblom~ As a rosult 01 boc'~r. or Jand i. "Ptellud.' Mort Water I•• , at; <:t6p ca1l be rail"" tbft [Sbri Ilam Babadur Slnp] lan~ and tbese lpeople includo' lOme Tflb land surtoundins the water togged' Ministers of various State Ooyernmentl. areas becomes barren and waste land after In view of this_ you' should speed up ,t. '$ome time, Jeadinl to a decline in th~ implementation of the Act by accepting this area under. pulses. Whereas the area challeng'e and whosoever proves tQ be a under pulses in the country is 24 Jakh hindrance in the speedy implementation bectares, their production is only 12. f)S of the work relating to land ceiHnCj, lakh tonn es. As against 104 grams of wllether be is your own man or somebody p~.llses~ which is the daily requireme~tt we else, whether he belongs to 1he ruling Iparty have been able to provide only 41 grams or to the opposition, should not be shown of pulses which is considered to be very any leniency. low in view of our veretarian habits and poverty. This much quantity of pulses is Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, if after doing must for a person for the preservation of all these tbing~, the price rise is not his health. The cauSe of this shortage is arrested and even after the pl ice rise has the problem of water-logging and it been checked if th! farmers do not get requires efforts on a war footing on the renumfrative price for their produce. it is part of Government to get rid of this not going to be of any avail. The farmer problem. Particularly in my area, there of India is very helpless. He takes to are such ponds and pools, such as, Dhur- agricalture in a State of helplessness daha pool and Hardiya pool. There is a because he has no alternative means of great problem of water draniage there and livelihood. He takes to agriculture, hundreds of surrounding villages are because he is helpless. Today, if he bas affected. If this problem is over-come, the some other alternative. if some other economic condition of that area ..;an avenue is open to live, he would adopt that improve. course after saying good-huye to agriculture.

Sir~ though many of our friends have a)- India is the only country where the ready 1 ",~ ~ _".~ , ,

to tbe ,"fa'rmors for' agricultural commOdj.' support of the Demands for Grants,otfhe ') ties 'besides maintain iog parity between the Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Develop- prices of agricultural ,oomm~ties and ment, I wjsh to say a few words. manufactured products. This is a must and only if thi is done could our agriculture In 1950 we were producing annually' develop properly. only 500 lakh tonnes of foodgrains. Dur- At the same time, I aJso want to say ing the past 34 years we have increased a few words about your Animal Husbandry agricultural production by three times. Last year we hav~ produced 1500 Jakh Department.' Sir t the condition of your ' Animal Husbandry Department is the same tonnes of' food grains. The annual increase as that of your Agriculture Department. in foodgrains production is of the order of The condition ~f both of them is equally 3.3 %, which is higher than that of popu-, deplorabJe. There is a scheme called I~tion increase. This has to be welcomed, Operation Flood in your Animal Husbandry and in fact all the credit goes to our Department. Operation Flood envisages peasants and farmers in the country. bringing about improvem"nt in the cattle Their blood and sweat has yielded this breed and rearing of milch cattle, but the significant progress in agricultural produc. officers of the Animal Husbandry Depart- tion. ment in our States of Bihar and Uttar Pradesh do not do this work. The officers of the 80 % of our population lives in rural Animal Husbandry Department' have done areas and 75% people are engaged in work relating to collection of milk and its agriculture. We cannot deny that this processing, but they have done nothing to achievement has been possible only due to improve the breed of the cattle and to their hard labour. This has not been increase the yield of milk per milch cattle; achieved under comfortable circumstances. and rightly so because when they have no In the total irrigation potential Jand wiJI, what is the use of their doing such available in the countr) only 30 %has got work? If only they had the will to do irrigation facility. Every year foodgrains this work they would have done it. I want worth Rs. 800 crores are destroyed in to draw your attention to the fact that you floods. In sOut'lern States, 400 crores of have spent only 85 per cent of the funds ruppes worth foodgrains are damaged du'e alloca1ed for this Plan item in 1984·85. to drought. Out of 5.60 lakh villages, Therefore, what is the necessity of giving more th,:tn SO % villages do not have you more funds for this purpose? When drinking water, primary medical facilities, you have not spent the funds allocated to living habitat,ons under healthy conditions, YOU earlier, it is ~~ot to you necessar)' to pucca roads to transport foodgrains. With- allocat e more funds. out having modern machinery, our peasants have achieved this remarkable prOSI'ess Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, in the end under such primitive conditions of living. I would take just half a minute to say that The Central Government shou Id 'pay more if the head of a family squanders away the' attention to provide basic minimum amen i- the family personal savinas of on his ties to the agriculturisits in rura~ areas. luxuri es Ieaving his fami ly in starvation and sometimes arranges his luxuries even by taking loans, such a person is called a I welcome the Crop Insurance soheme vap.,hand in ,our area. ExaQt)y the same that has been introduced in '1985~86 is the condition of this Government. General Budget. Here I would like to stress the improtance for strengtbeniD,a' Therefore, it is not proper to greet' even a siosl:e paisa to this Government: Witb the cattle insurance scheme. Out ,of Rs. 60,493 crores of foodgrains produced in, these .. WOJ:ds, I opp.)se ,the Demands for Grants presented by Government. the country. R.s. 10,864 c:rores of food-, sralns are produced with the heJp of ,·SHkI R. JEEVARArWNAM AR.AK- animal power. We have to pay Il'eator, K.ONAM) :.;Mr. J)eputy S~ak~r, Sir, in attention to cattle breeding in the countrY" In "1985 we ,hAve ,extended cattle ios"-, ~ '. *rh. ,SP"~h ,was OttalqallJ, ."·i'ot~ _0 0121)' to 1 61 ~,of cattle. A®oreJ,r.;,' in Tamil.' ' 'iaa'to tbe ADQuaJ keport ~J the Mit.i'tl~" '[Shri R.Jeevarathinam] farmers ar,e more arave than the talWcr-s doing agriculturo with irrigation flejJ·kin. we have 1910 lakhs of cattle in the coun- I demand that all the districts in Tamil try. In the interest . of agricultural produc- Nadu should have branches, of llcaioaal tion, we have to extend the cattle insurance Rural Banks. I would lib to sttess that a Regional Rural Bank shoQld be opened to an the cattle in the country. in North Areot District.

It is estimated that every year crops I would refer to the working of Pri- worth Rs. 400 crores are eaten away by mary Agricultural Credit Societies, which rats. It may not b·e an exaggeration to are the rront.)jn~ credit institutions say that the rat population is higber rendering financial assistance to our far- than human population in our countrY_ mers. I am sorry to say that these socie- We must a national scheme for destroy· tieS are adopting partisan approach in inl rats 'So that agricultural production can lending money. Though they are directly. be augmented. functioning under the Stat e Government, yet refinancing is done by National Bant My hon. frined, Shri K. . Ramamurthy for Agriculture and Rural Development. raised Starred Que-;tion No. 622 the I demand the constitution of a high level other day, i. e. on 26.4.1985 in this committee to go into the working of these '. Mouse, which related to the financial credit societies and sugllest steps to assistance being rendered by National revamp them. Since NABARD itself has Bank for Agricu.lture and Rural Develop- been created for agricultural growth, I ment. The NABARD gives refinancing sugges t that it should function directly assistance for Integrated Rural Develop- under the Ministry of Agrie ulture so that ment Programme; which is meant for better coordination can be effected in poor agriculturists below poverty line. But, extending credits to farmers. Sir. Nabard. unfortunately, out of the assistance exten- itself h"s constituted several committees ded under this scheme, the benefit has to go into the question of agricultural lOne to those above poverty line and in credits. I want to know what action has afHuent position. 15% of the benefici- been taken on the recommendations of aries come under this category. The rich these Cotnmlttes. 1 want the hon. Minister are Irowing richer and the poor ate going to reply to this point at the end of the poorer. This has been confirmed by the debates. above information given by the Govern- ment. The House should know how rar the credit requirements of our farmers have Out of 450 distr icts in the country, increased on account of implementation of in 280 districts only we have the branches thOSe recommendations. of Regional Rural Banks. 170 districts do not have any branch of Regional Rural As I stated, 70 %of our population is Bank. This means that the agriculturists in engaged in agriculture and only agricultur e these 110 districts do not have financial can generate more employment opportuni- assi-;tance from the branches of Reaional tios. Agriculture contributes 40 % of Rural Banks. The Reserve Bank of India gross national produce. But aariculture ba! ordered that no branch or a commer- lets only 10% of tota I credit faeiliti eB cial bank should be opened in rural areas. available in the country. Tbis kind of This hightcns the gravity of the problems step.motberly treatment to qriculture of our peasants. I demand that aU tbe should be ended forthw jtb and io fact districta in the country should have bran- 90 % of total credit facilities should be ches of Resioaal R.uaal Banks. In Tamil given to agriault1ll'e. If that is Ddt feasi. Nadut thore is only one Regional Rural ble, at least '0 %of total credit 'fac iJiticI Baok: covering only two districts. Most sbould ao to Aarteulture. If agtiClll'tural of the farmers in Tamil Nadu are doiDI ocon()1D)' is not IIlstaincd, then the Dation'l qriculturc dopendioa on monsoon raia. ..oral cooaomic lrowtb is . ",peeled. You know tll., ,tilt probloDll of ISVOIa thlS·dI\JIt b. ~c ia miol . .••. ',tbt needful must ,be, done., The suaateae cul. of rural el ectrification and . this pi'oaranjme" . ti\'.&tora aad,tIle paddy cnltivators $hould should be liven priority Jlnd subsidy for ~ get remunerative prioes~ The peasants the consumers who are mostly [armors ill,j of dry land frrmiag shou~d get a better tbe rura 1 areas. price than the wet land farmers, since the conditions of aariculture in dry laBd ,far- miDI are dimcult. The people engaged in My fourth sug,estion is, trainin&. agrilfulture must get all the amenities ~chools institutions, coli eges should be bei11l given to those engaged in other established in the rural areas. sectors of economy. The Pallipattu Block in ArakkonaOl Parliamentary Constituency I have heard the speeches on the is a chronically backward area~ I suggest Budget discus$ion from the O.pposition that it should be sdopted by a public side also. My friends from West Benl.l sector Bank for com-posite development. h~ve told something criticising very seri- This is very necessary to uplift the down- ously the activities of the Agriculture trodden people in Pallipattu block. With Department and the Rural Development these words I conclude my speech. Department in our' country. Sir, 1· am surprised to know what the Left Front [English] Government of West Bengal is doing for: the last 8 years with the tremendous PROF. M.R. HALDER (Mathurapur) : amount of money from the Gov Jmmeot Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I am of India. They are missing the money., bapppy to have the pr ivilege of partie'1- You will be astonished to know that 1a •• pating in the Budget discussion on Agri- year an amount of Rs. 35 crores was culture and Rural Development. First of refl.lnded to the Central Government all, I congratulate the hon. Minister for because they were not in a position to Agriculture and Rural Development and utilise that money for small irrigation I support the Budget which has been pJaced programme. For whom is this programme in'this august House. meant? It is meant for the agriculturists in the rlral area~. ' But they are refundina Sir. I have gone through the Annual the money. You would be astonished Report of this Ministry very carefully. I to hear that for the Jast 8 years, this am sorry to say that there are some short- Government of the Left Front has done' comings in the Budget and fort this I draw nothing. With all respects, I would say the attention of the hon. Minister to those that th.ey are doing nothing in the field shortcomillls and request him to 80 of rural electrification or water supply. thiOUlh the suggestions which I am giving But they are blaming the Central Govern. in this august House for the betterment ment OD tbe plea that the Centre is not of the poor peasants and the poor people giving them money for development. It is ' in the rural areas. not true. I think, now they should make a serious thinking as to what they aro Sir, my first suaestion is that paddy, doing .. jute, wheat and potato producers should be provided with remunerative prices. My hon. friend told me about the Secondly,. non .. jrriaated areas should be minir:tlum wage programme. As you know, broUlbt under full irri,.. tion, schemes it is known to everybody. In the year' within a specified time keepio& in mind the 197', our respected late Prime Min'ister; I resional imbalances of our country. Shrimati Indira Ga ldhi announced tbts I

Programme and as a' result of which in I There should be a ca.relatioll between eacb and every block, the minimum wap the :ku.raJ.Bll~ltification, Departmont and programme was .imptem ented. I WOUld tb, •. Aarioultui:'e Department because in like to koow, ,what has becn doo·e in W_·, i rur.l ~t .if w.e want to u tb.e better.. BODga). It, ;. the minimum wale CDsQrCl1· lJleDtf ~r t~ aaricI11tur~ta" rural. eloc~[j. for a,ricultural labourers aad . nat ,. 'WOh ."

fiQl'_l>I.l.~.Y~~ i _asary•. s., :,1 "roqllea, ko .. ·' Are tb'ey ~'" •. ettiDI· ttae < :.imutI, ; u...,.. Miqistcr tQ,took .iMO~tlai:. ,;._t,t WI,." ,No. But··tht·;S•• '00"1:_.·_" 213' ~lIta"J$ /0' (irants , APlttt !O, 198~

[Prof., M. R. Hatd erJ . of agriculturists, fishermen and Qtber people there and t I hope, ,on the. basis of, blaming the Government of India. the report; b,e will do something for tbe (Interrupll~') Let me just tell you. people of that area.

We all know that the rural develop- of ment is done with the help of Zila Thousands acres of land in that area are still un-irrigated. There is a areat Parishads and with the help of Panchayat scope for providing irrigation facilities Samiti and Gram Samiti. You know very. well that in West Bengal which poli·tica) there with the help of having field cban- nels by the rivers, by making barrages. so party is in power. They ar" dominating the Zita Parishads. All the Pan'chayat that after the rainy seasons when these field channels will be filled up with water, Samities and Gram Panchayats belong to that water can be utilised for the culti- the Congress Party. SOt these Samities vation which wiU benefit the people of are getting discrimination from the Zila· that area. Parishads. If you fiend one team from your Department> you will sec what type Apart from that, ' there is a paucity of of discrimination is goinll on there. You fertiliser and there is no proper supply of will be astonished to hear that for the last 8 years, this Government is diverting fertH iscr to agriculturisits. ( would request the Central Government to have one mini money from one Department to another fer-tiliser plant there so that the agricul. without consulting the Central Govern- ment. turists in that al·ea get fertiliser at a fair: price.

If a leam is sent there to make a With thes e words, 1 support the De. study and gIve the report, it will be clear mands relating to the Ministry of Alfi. to everybody as to how mon cy was culture and Rural Development. diverted from one held to another head. I would like to know from the hon. Minis- SHRI SATYENDRA NARAYAN ter whether he will submit a report on SINHA (Aurangabad): Mr. Deputy- that before the next Assem')Y elections. Speaker, Sic. I rise to supyort the Dema- Everybody would like, to know what are nds for Grants relating to the Ministry of the actua 1 fa cts. Agriculture· and Rural Development.

Now, I come to my constituency, the It is a matter of satisfaction, as bas rural areas of Sunderbans, and the problems been expressed by other members also. faced by the people there. That area has that we have achieved the production remained undeveloped and naglected since level of 1 S 1 million tonnes of foodgrains, Independence. It follows from the statis- a big jump over the production level of tics of the Government of West Bengal 1981-82. This has been described as a that 80 per cent of the people of that Second areen revolution. It is also a area depend on agrjcultur~. In spite of matter of satisfaction tbat we are etpect· having financial assistance from the ing the repetition of tbis performance dUe Government of India, wh,t is the State riOI the current year although there will Government doing for the people of that be a shortfall in the operational ta~let area '1 EveryboJy would like to know that bas been fixed at 156 million tonnes. that. The Government of India shou1d ao into tho actual prob)em~ of agirculturists My friend Shri Somnath Rath whilo in that ~rea and do something for tbom. speaking has said that by the turn of the century, the population of this country is Thore is a tremendous possiWHty of likely to be one billion and we would be Intreasina the irrigated area. At the &am~ req uirina almost 240· millioa ton1\01~ to time, :tbero is ',also .. a great scopo for tho feod o'ur population. How are wo loing ,to de'Veiopment:or ftsbcric=8' there .. 1 would achie\'e that· prodUQtiori ~ D urinJ . tbt reQuest, the hop. Minister to kindly, lead Seventh Five ¥,tar .Plan,: I uriderstalltlitlilt' . .;t~*m ,tIt.. ·to kQow the actual 'pOIitioo tho ta.,ct bas Men bod' ,at lS5 JlIfIIiOD' tonnes which will mean that there is ten offoodgraios has not increased. It hal '"r.. ' year ,i period left 'within which we bavt to mained , almost ,atatic and we are thiolcitC make efforts in this regard. We can in- of exporting food prQ.duct.. Wh)' iJ it, crease our production by bringing in more that we have lot a production of J52 land unlder tultlvation. As Shri Somnath million tonnes and a. (ood stock of about Rath says 141 million hectares of land 25 million tonnes. Still we are not, able are under cultivation at the moment. We to increase the per capita avaUabi1ity; need to brin8 60 million hectares more people are not able to take morc graiol; tinder plough to achieve that production. • the off-take from the godown, is gradua.1ly My suggestion is that we should resort to declining, This has to be looked ipto. soil ccnservation. There is a great possi. It is really a paradox: on tbe one ba~d bility of increasing the Jand under cultiva- we are talking of agricultural prosperity tion by increasing our soil conservation and on the other hand the poor people measures. We have to make intensive are not getting full advantage of what we efforts to meet the menace' of erosion of are having and we are thinking of export. land and to restore to health the degraded ing food produtts. Yesterday the Commerce Boil. Minister bas announced setting up of a

body for undertaking or promoting e export Secondly, we shou1d resort to dry of food products. If you ar e confinil1l land farming. My friend hn!; just now yourselves only to export of vegetab1es said that areas of watersheds have been and fruits etc. I will not have any grudg.e. identified and 100 lath hectares have been but you are thinking of exporting food- fixed as the target but I fee] that there grains. It is a matter to be pondered is a great possibility of extending dry over. Are we self·sufficient in foodgrains? land farming. The other day I came Can you sey that? Today the pet ctlpita across a newsitem that a Delhi·based availability is only 438 grams per day. graduate went to Rajasthan where he took This has to be looked into. In the USSR- up cultivation of dry land. He has under,· other hon. Members have spoken about taken cultivation of 24 hectares of desert the USSR-even in the worst year they land, from which he is raising crops worth produce 180 million tonnes and they have Rs. one lakh per year. This opens a new a population of 250 million; but they go vista before us and J think if Government on importing foodgrains to feed their extcnd§ these projects, we win be able people. We have a population of 700 to achieve our target which is need ed for million or near about 800 miHion and we feeding our one billion populat ion by the are producing 1S2 million tonnes only; • turn of the century. Tberefore, 1 say that still we are exporting foodgrains ! We are the extension service have to be e~ tended not ~haring the production with the, poor and made more effective. people bere. This is the paradox which I have not been able to understand. And I understand that' there is going to be the situation cannot improve unless we Indo·US collaboration in regard to agricul- pump purchasing power ,into the hands of ture. I wou1d sugsest that we might open the poor people. For that, various schem. agricultural university or colleges at dis- es like IRDP, RLEGP, etc., have been trict headquarters and the students of ,the started so that the poor people could be Uliversity or College should form into benefited, the poor people could be lifted ,teams to tarry tile message of l~b to land, up above the poverty line. But wbat b'as 'because' the ,villaae level worker is not been our aehievem'ent? We started with able to carry conviction with the ordinary a taraet of 15 million people to be bene .. farmer and if we have a Centraliy·constitu. fited by these prograaunes. In answer to tod ,staft' or a team, they 'wBl be able to a question in this ·House the Minister' or Create conftdence in the mea:1ures . IUbest;. Planning ha, told us that' it is . quito ed'for augmentatina produc~ion. correct that, In tbe implementation of " ' the~e measur.es~ dlstQrtlqDs, .have , UAkoll. J ;cannot .exl'ten· lids'action ' all round place. So, it is beiDa admitted that tlle because .. on the one haod~ the production b~nofits hav~. not ,one to the tarjet ,rQQP. bu"oH.p bqt··.e por ·cap'" mth4bf,Ut)' but t.Jl~" 'nol1~~~r.et ftoups b"ve ", ~~.n • J' ~" ',~ ". r I'"" • \.1" , , ,I III _. 1 • ' , t ,~ I I, J"J I "~: . , [Shri:Satycndra Nua,,,, Sinha] .own POqPle are beiDI . depri~ 01, tJ,e benefited by 'tbe~e m~sure$. You . ,have :benefits of ,food grains bere. Is thil, not .. irony ,of fate ? , included: those people who, bb'ould 'not have lot the benefit of these schemes. Then I come to 8,ricu,Jtural J_&ottr and land reforms. Land reforms have b",n With regard to providi."g assests alsot tardily implemented. The 8.ricuitural J" there bas been ~ lot of bungling. ~or our is stUJ languishina in poverty. With instance, there is the scheme to provld,e., regard to minimum wages, the hon. mern.. a buffalo ror ~s. 3,000, but actuany It ' ber from CPM 'PArty said that the minimum costs ,much Jess. While going round the wagt's are not being enforced and 'the ' vinag'es t we find that this ~cheme has resuJt is that there, is a lot of resentmont not been properly implemented; the poor, in the oountryside. J do not know whether target group has not been benefited by m} hon. friend and the Minister for Rural this s'cheme. Development knows that there is a seetb .. jng ferment in the countryside and violent Therefore, I wouJd urge on the. O?v- incidents are taking place because there is 'ernment to improve their monltonng no impJementation of the Minimum Wages machinery to ensure that these measure',; Act. What are you IOing to do about it ? are :proper)y implemented. The Bval~a. ThJS js not a JE!W and order problem. This tion Organisation of the Plannin~ Commlb- is purely an economic problem and you sion'goes to the 'States and they say that have got to see to It that with regard to the scheme has been successfulIy imple.. minimum wages whatc\'er provisions mented. The statistics say that there has arc made .. tbey are properly enforced and 'been a great itnl'rovement. But if you go YOU IilhouJd hold the State Government round the villages, what do YOU find? responsibJe for it and the officers theze at 'The poor· continue to be poor; thp.y are tbe Jocal level responsible for enforcing it riot letting any benefit from tho~c sChem~. wherever this is happening because Actually a class of daJals or mlerme~a., this is constituting a big threat. rIes has been crented and they are takmg You may look at it from here full advantage of everything. and say the that measures are being In Bihar there is a scheme' under implemented and 'we have 8P4ked the which an MLA or MP is given Rs. 1 Jakh State Governments to do so' and, the or 'M.s. 150,000 per year to be spent State Governments wi)) say, 'We have on ,orne public work. asked the officers to do so/ and the net result is that there is great dissatisfaetion and resentment in the countryside. There- l6,to MS. fore. my strong submission to you is that you should improve your machinery for Oqt of that amount if you are sa~cti.oo. enforcing the Minimum Wages Act so ina, say Ita. 2000/.. for a scho~l bualdlDg, that the people who are entitled to, a Ute secr~tal'Y of the school wlll not let ,particular wage get the benefit of it'. Ilt. 2000. There will be a' cut of Rs. 300 out of that. I was sh :~n . g~'~~111 this sort or cemplaiat. ,ill ~t: ®,~s· it l1le'an 1 )'o~ SU~i4J_.4' th~ ~~/wa.1t.to." in~.tjv. jO.u,o '~_ . ,xport 'to reed tllo foreiJl1cn WhCl'Ol8 your Yw. must ovolvo an intearated prjQ: .tt~ uro 10 that aobod,· should ,feel thfH ' he " ,is raised the sloaan "land 'to thfe tiUcr", I. e. ..yin, more,· Ever,body should' fOe] the land should belon, to thofe who that he.i. IOUiDI,his due. My:friend ' bere cultivate "it. ,"This Slogan continued' till SlY' '1bat ifbe invests a lakh of rupees Panditji's tenur~ and it provid~ relief to in any busineas, he I,eta Rs. 125,000 a number of the poor, the HariJans" and next year. But the farmer is not sure of the te'1ants. Ther~artert when the qUdtion the return for his investment. • of land reforms came up, different States enacted different land ceiling 'laws. Thoso The crop insurance is a welcome d'e- -laws varied in Punjab, Haryana and U.P. cisi,on taken by tbe Government. For a Each State en~cted its own laws. Cei.1inl long time we have been asking for this. was imposed, but' it brought no benefits I must congratulate the Government on to the poor. It so happened because when having taken, thi$ decision. ,You should the qu ~stion of acquirina surplus Ja~d (rom extend it to cover as many farmers as bi,landlords and Zaminidars nrose, it couJd possible so that they may be prevented not be distribut ed amongst the. poor. It from suffering loss. has. been the misfortun e of our country that the Revenue Ministers of all the States, who Witb these words, I support the de- were to pass this Jaw, were big landlords. mands for Grants of the Ministry of Agri· They left certain loopholes in the laws culture and Rural De~elopment. which defeated the very purpose of those laws .. The Zamindars transferred their [Translation] lands in the name') of their sons, daughters .. in .. law, brothersin-law, sisters.jn-Jaw. SHRr RAM PRAKASH (Ambala): grandsons and even in the names of Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am very glad their dogs, with the result that nothnig was today that one of myoId colleagues Sardar left for disbursing amorlg the poor. If at Buta Singh is our Agriculture Minister and all ~ome land is given to the poor, the we ,are discussing the Demands for Grants saJne is challenged in the courts. Even of hIS Ministry. I suoport these demands. if some poor man wins in tht lower court, the landlord chan enges that decision in . Sir, our Agriculture Minister had the High Courts and tb e Supreme Court . Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, Rs. 20,000 parted company with me long back, but are required to fight a case in Supreme I have caught hold -of him here today, Court. Worker who cannot afford a square i. e. in tbe fields, and' J hope that he mea], he spend Rs. 20,000 to approach_ will brinll about tremendous improvement the Supreme Court. I shall, through you, in this field. ;;ir, appeal to tne Agrictlture Minister that the time has now come to do some- So far as agriculture is concerned. 70 thing. We are 'happy that the Agriculture to 80 per cent of the Scheduled Caste Minister of India belongs to a backward peopl e are engaged in it. In 'the year communi~y. l,r the loJ of the poor, tbe 1954 where I was a Member of the Harigans, etc, is not improved now, jf Punjab LegislatIve Assembly, at that t~ey do not get justice tb~s time, then I time also a Jot of difficulty used to be think, they wilJ never get justice. . experienced by the Harijans in the matter', of land, The late lawaharlal Nehru was at that 'time tbe Prime Minister and we had I, therefofe, request that under th~ pOsed this problem befpre "him that no cellinI Act, Jand should ,be distributed doubt India had attained independence am,ong the. poor so that they may earn, ~ut at 'the'same time it was also necessary. their livelih,ood. ,Th::re are people who to provide empJoyment to the crores of possess five thousand acres of land which J landless people. We had asked' him. what cOmes, t,o, ;0 lakh . 'bi.a\tas , aDd sit in the arronaement$ be would make, in this air~onditio~ rooms and enjoy tho, lu~ r.rd. We had pleaded with 'bim that ri es of \ :Ufo "hereas a labourer, ' .wbt ' if' p'ov,erty' was tQ he eradicated _ r~om , tho \sweats in the scorching sun, does not let COuntryf w·e would havo to pr~ide e~~'1 ~~. ,7 ~~, 8, ~da)'.. arf4 is unable to cmpl;OJfuent t~ tb,e poor. At ~~at, time" we earn 4 IQUl'O meal~ ]8 this ,jUlti" l A . [Sh. Ra,m Prakash] i()D 0.( tood1r.Tains,' "utin, JM3.. 41 teu1._. ect the hwel ()f I! I a~4 minIOn I()no_ yawning aaJ) eltists between ,the poor and making a quanfum jump of 18.,24 'nMlIieI the ricb. How wff1 you bridle it? you toaus over the ea,lier Peak Of" 131.3'0 ,hould upUft the poor and brilll down millfon tOMes achieved in 1981·82." the Jevel of ricbness of the rich. We talk of land' reforms, producti()n and land .. Th e Ministry of agriculture has .one ceiling here but the cellin. have been a step higher and says-c'The year 1983 .. imposed on the PQor land owners and not 84 cou'id thus be termed as the second on tbe rich. If land ,is distributed on tho green revolution showing a massive tnt!'- basis of the principle of "land to tbe ease in production'" etc. tiller". I can ~uarantee that in India, the production of foodgrains can be As a result of this so much stoeks of doubled. Our hon. Minister once belona- foodgrains have accumulated in tbe hands ed to Ambats. He knows It very will of the Govt. that they do not have sufftef~ that in that area Markanda, V,muna, ent ,odowns to store it, Within a month Dangri and Obagghar rivers ftow. The or two tbe Rabi crops wnt start coming wat~~s' of these rivers erode tbe land. in and that time the shortage of godo- Just a~ the Late Jawahar Lal Nehru had wns will be felt much more sbarply': built a dam on the Bhakhra, similar1y a According to Govt. estimates, the qua- dam should be built on these four ,ivers ntum of foodgraios' stock in hand in the also. In this w~y, ]:;l.khs of acres of land month of July wi1) be of the oMer af can b~ made available to the poor a~d 30 million metric tonne~. The Govt. land erosion can also b~ checked. With godowns do not have the capacity to this step. the problem of water can also, store ~o much doof8rains. Hcpce r~ltt· be solved. Agriculture depends on water. ins wi1l be exported throng'h open len- If there is no water. there cannot be any, eral licence. From the G

India's total arable laod, when we I just want to submit to the Minister achieved independence ,in 1947, was 350 that this is a very important programme. miUion acr~s. The p~pulatil)n in those But we must also take note of our own days was 350 million. It means that the experience. I also travel 'in my consti- land.population ratio was exactly 1: 1. tuency and have come across certain Now we have 735 million pL!ople, and lapses in implementatiop of this programme. perhaps b~ the end of the century. the NABARD and other bank have appointed population will reach one billion. There- their own committees for apprai$ing the fore, the best way for us is this : we have big success of these programmes. ,~. adopted land reform measures, and many times, they have not succeeded, inspite of What 1 would suggest is that during putting them in the Eighth Schedule and the 7th Plan, when we are going to cover adopting other measures. So, why not more and more people lhrouBh this prog- we find ways and means' to see that we ramme we should go into the various have in this country a large number of appraisal reports submitted by NABARD land-owning peasantry which can make and other banks in this regard? Let us the best use of land, i. e. so that every acre appoint a kind of specialised Committees of land is worked harder as it is' being done which Will look into all these appraisal in Japan for giving optimum production. studies; and whatever shortcomiog have Thereby, our programnes for Food For All, been pointed out we shall try to overcome 'and EmpJoym ent for All can succeed. them, because this is very lood program.. With a vast army of land owning peasants me which we would like to see tbat' it is We can give them all encouragement. as made fool-proof; there is DO leakaae. they are dOing there so that we can B.chi. "eVo the objoctives of this pr·ogramm e. . NABARD had made its surveys. The other banks which have made surve)s in One of the important prolrammes different States find t.bat IS per cent 0'( Shrimati Iodira Gandhi had put . befOre those identified as poor and helped under this country is this: sbe felt that we IRDP, they are miss-classified. It is inevi- 'should try to allevia.te the sufferings of the table because we wanted that we shall fulfil ,poor poople of the country. Perhaps 'her this taraet of 1 S.'-6 million people witll'i\t thoughts dUrllll ber entire Ufe wer e dire- a prescribed poriod. I, gtocl towards tbe eradication of 'poverty .. ~ t~~ '~t()'lldo. That was ono of the The State Bank of Hyderabad ,,-(VOl· .~,~"., ot tbe Jnte.ra~' &Qral ,~lOP- eel itl·l~13 in ·Amtbta'Pradosh aDd Ka~~ ... '" ...: ..... • ~ ,\ , 'I " ", ~ " 'I Apltll ' 90' I ':I~ , , " rShri Chiotamani Panigrahi] upto Jts. 1,$.00 crores. I bad .... . " a.:.. taka. They have shown that out of the about it earlier and today I asain 'SUII~t total loan lecipients for mil\~h cattle, to the bon. Minister that eitber you make all. Ipan advances under these programmes sheep, goat alld bu Ilock the leakage wa~ as high as 32 per cent. These ,people . interest free loan or we undertake ',with subsidY large taken jus,t co Heet subsidy by, showing their exist- the amount Dumbor of iog assets as being fresh purchases. intensive con~trUl::tion activities whete the poor people of working age get required Now, in the case of loans for minor employment with assured basic waiCS. irrigation, the leakage was as high a~ SO Associate the voluntary agencies and mes· pee cent. Wells were either not at al1 ses themselves so that they get ~mploy. sunk or only a pit du& and subsidy ment and generate their own income with. collected. out running after sub&idy and faCing harass- mente The main obj(ctive of this programme is to see that the employment is gent'rated This will give them more purchnsinl in and to the poor peop) e we provide them power and this wm also help develop. ment of rural markets. Therefore, as far with auets and they m'lke productive use of these assetS. But in many cases ( as this subsidY part is cone ::rned-it bas myself have found that these asests after become a bone of contention and also have one year have been sold by the recipients corrupting inftuence we to themselves. Therefore, whatever good think veey ser iousJy about it and see tbat objective that we are putting before this some im,rovement should be made· in that direction. country. un 'ess w: tt'y to find out ways and means to see that it is implemented, Wh~' there h no USe of putting it before the should we not give more and country. We should also see that the more money for the NREP programme. leakages are not there. We; simply give I am glad' that the Government bas money to them. but this money [toes to introduced the crop insurance schtme the black-market and it creates a rise in and is improving it. prices. Regarding assistan..;e to States toward.. If we want to lift our poot' people losses in natural calamities, I request above the po"erty line, you have to pro- the Governm,ent to revise the nC'nus fixed vide sreater opportunities for employment long years ago. Because the .value ot' at least in those area.s where people, are money has gone down considerably in poor. Therefore •. I feel that the present these years. pl'ocess, th.cre is a kind of demoralisinl pU18uit of a subsidy; and everybody tr ic~ I once again support all the proaram· to ha"e his share in the subsidy, utilise mes that our Government has undertak_. tbis subsic;l1 part of it. Sometimes in the With these words I support the demands banks, pcQple ,deduct subsidy which. goes and whatever the shortcominas are tbe.r,o. to the beneficiaries to show in .lbe bank we have to remO'fe them. account that the repayment of the loan is very satisfactory in the banks, but SHR..I S. KIUSHNA KUMAR (QuUon): that is not the case. So, these are the While supporting these Domands, I would sbortcominas which the various surveys liko to focus the attention of the House have come acr08S. 1 hope the hone Mini- and tbat of the Government to a 00,14 -.ter. who i 8 very much interes ted to see which lias perhaps been one of the most that al these' schemes Cire successful we nealected fields in the entiro specl.rum of, are alao atorett cd should look in to all national ,de'l.eloPm.ent since indepen~eD"''' theSe·· ahortCoauoiS altd trl to removo tho field of fisheries Goveloplllent 10 tlll them. COUDtry. Witb a coastline of moro tilaD &.500,kHom,etr,'&. ,aCtor the ~lar.tlOii of >,':",Qer••• ¥~whillh ,aM, b'fiDt .&0 tb. llAUliv. OCODOmi,C ZODe or 2.30 "':,'~\' :'., ,OQ thM 'bo'PlYD1OQt of ~baid, i...,. tIl_. ia it'" oyr' -u,' baa .a'. 'tl.. JAt ...... / •. G.wtts VAtlAlH}ilO. It01 (S.4,lA)

"bte .a..lpleatttwo.thtrda otthe laId arM in recommendation which bas been mado"'by tho COD_tey.1It tllo Ia. decade· hi. "fen a !everal forums, viz., tll~ fMmltlob' or k " ... ()f 10it opportumlieS In thlrfletd of fis. Natural Deep-e. Fisheries CorporatioQ so herier. Our annual production hat rematfted that we may build and OfJlrHS(! .' a cJ'elep etalnant· at an average of 1.3 minion tonnes sea fisherie. ~ee1 in country utln.' Jortle in the 1a~t 14. years which constituted only octtn .venture as roquired. l por c.t .of the wGr14 ·'Iadings. Our fisheries harbour scheme has been The bon; Mmister, Shrf Buta Singh in the doldrums for loog time. You hAve bas taken over the Department of Fjshe~ made a one hundred per cent centra)]y enly recently. 1 would Uke . to say t~at sponsored scheme into a '0 per cent ~e~. this del)artment bas had the dubious distln- tral"assistance qne. There is not a siqle diM of achieving a'~ growth in the fisheri es harbour in the country today, last decade. Is this exCtls'able in a coun .. which i~ capabJe or harbourin, genuine try where 350 millien peo.,h, sutf~ from deep Sea fishing 'IIesscl. Sir, KeraJa is malnutrition:, 82 million children suffer the premier maritime State in India •. The ,rrom' retarded ,.:owth due to la'ck of pro- State produces 35 per cent of the fisb in the tein·? It burts our nationll') pride. to note country and is respoDsibl e for more than that in the corresponding period Thailand half of the export earning with only 9 per increased its fish production four time~, cent of the nation's coastline. Tanzauia three timer and Indonesia two times, and our neighbour, Sri Lanka by The work at Vi2:bingam fishing more than SO per cent. I humbly request har. bour in Kerala bas been languishilll f« tbe Minister to shake the Department ·of 12 year~. I request the hon. Minister Fi911eries out of its stupor and out of its to expedite the Vizhingam, Neendekal'a lack of imagination, Jack of concern and and Beypore harbours whieh are tbe on- 1ae"" of efficiency. I ehallante the depart. going fisheries hllrbour projects in Kerala. ment with the following stat ement. I re- The fi'~ing harbour and Brack Water quest tho Minister to reply to this when Project at Thankassery which has been he replies durift8 this debate. cfeared after investigation and which would be a sare haven for IS,OOO traditional There is not a single genuine deep sea fishermen and their craft must be taken fishing v cssel flying th e Indian flag in this up and impJ:emented in the Seventh PJalt thirtyei'ghth year of our Republic, The period. one. hundred which you have listed in your statistics are ·less than 24 metres in length and they afe merely coastal trawl- One of the best schemes for the 11'9d1. ers. Even now foreign .,·essels nre taking tiona} fishcrmen's in record times is tbe away balf a mi flion toanes of fish every motorfsatioD of the traditional boats with year from our deep sets. Can YOU deny outboard engines. This has dramaticaUy that our charter policy ha9 been a compa- increased their earnings. In Kera II now rative failure? All the one hundred about 12 per cent of aU traditional ftshina charters that you have liven are hardly vessels have outboard engines. I sqaest in working order now and only .2 per cent that the hon. Minister take up a massl"c of «Jur total fish land in, comes from the pro,rammo to give outboard cnJines to doep a.C. 11 is aa.1d tbat if there nre the 1,50,000 traditional fishin, craft in 10,000 fish in tbe In4ian Oceag ,Qnb one the country. This will be tbe 1Mt. hotp ia c:auallt by tho Indian fishermen and that the Minister can give to traditional ttsbermen. Of course, kerosene al.1O shookt 9.. 999 "" aUqwod 10 clio of 01 4ap. It is be aiven to them 00. priority quota aad, from A to&eal'dl articl, tMt I am .yina tbJa. J! '~he' total ~~.ck in, ~ . Indian subsidY should also be giYe8 thso., ooua, it Qluaht and ••Jet(ed. tile State Governments.

l'a or"~r to .prov.ide the iDiti,al thrult for One of the 'moat siDiftcant areal wbich "" l 'IP.IOltt~,OJ.lr ~ Bea Bsh,,ot.1ia1,, l,f'" hw...... d • yOU are aware fa th.e fielct OJ' Q ..• ,~e boA', ~in"~Qf to i~_CIlt.t~., aqueau.~, ttIfJOClIU, brtctllb water prawn' [Shri S. Krisbna Kumar] a aetwork ofJiahories technical schools, .ill culture. One hectare ofbrackish water area al1 the marille and inland wator areas ... iIl in Taiwan produc:e& 7.S tonnes of prawn tb is country and start a massive ttainida and in our country it produced' 'one tonne programme for fishermen, and, tlsberiil per hectax:e. At the rate of one tonne if -operations. '\ . we are t\hle to exploit about 10 per cent of ~ckish water area we will be able to in- Quilon is the centre of the Indo-Norwe- crease the production and export of shrimps gian project where India's fishermen were thtee times. first introduced to the Dew world of mechani- sation. It is my constituency. It is a centre We must organise 'Operation Aquacu- ·of exceJl ence in fisheri es. I request the hoft. lture i:A the country, like the 'Operation Minister to trunk of puttinS up a major Flood' in the field of milk production and centre for Nat ional Institut e for fisheries distribtuiOn~ Our domestic marketing ha<; there. He may please evnlue and announce to he organised as an integrated fish mar- a National Fisheries policy focussing con. keting structure with the infrastructure of servation and optimum exploitation of refrige.rat ed trucks, cold storages. and fisheries resources, the welfare of Our hygienic outlets and .give suitable incentive fishermrn. marketing and also a protein to private entrepreneurs. nutritional programme for our rural masses.

We have also to provide, as has been Sir, in this legendary land the very first done in Indonesia, support price and eat- incarnation of Vishnu, the Preserver God able regulated markets at landing centers. was as Matsya, the fish. Fisheries sbould The problem of traditional fishermen is be a life preserver in thi·s country. It shold institutional as well as technological. I give powerful SUpport to the country as .it would commendfor im-plementation all over gears itself to entering the 2Ht century. Sir. the country the experience of Kerala where do not treat the fisheries department as a cooperatives have been formed, statutorily step child in the Agriculture Ministry. one for eaoh fisheries village, duly elected There should. be reorpanisation to ensure by ttl) the adult fishermen in the v mage suffici ent ministerial au ention. There should and responsible for credit, production, be a full-fh:dged Secretary to the Govern- aal,cs and infrastructure and welfare. ment to be in charge of the fisheries. India should be brought in the next fifteen years 16.39 hrs. to the forefront as a maritime and fishe-. ries nation-a position our country and our [SHRI SOMNATH RATH in the chair] peop1e are rightfully entit led to. Th~ average indebtedness of a fisher- MR. CHAIRM~N : There are 70 hon. men in India is less than Rs. 1,500. I Members iu the list from the Treasury request tbe hon. Minister to libearlise cre- Benches. So I request them to be ·bricf. dit to the thhermen who constitute one of Now, Mr. K.N. Pradhan may speak. tbe weakest sections of our society and I J ~ oraanise fisheries banks as has been done in !10m e of the Scandinavian countri eSt [Translation]

The Indian Fisheries .A ct 1897 is arch- SHRI K. N. PRADHAN (BhopaJ)·: aic. It does not even recognise the exis- Mr. Chairman, Sir t 'I supPOrt the Demandt tence of fishing vessels. Under Article 297 of the Ministry of Agriculture and Rural of oW' Constutiton and Entries in t'1e Development and am luJ Iy in agreement Seventh Schedule read witb the Marine witb:the other Members of the House id· products Export Development Authority Aot, tbat-we have achieved concrete successes full CODtrol is available for the Centeral in' the field of asriculture and, in that conl~ Government over the fisheries resourceq and text, the year 1983.84· bas· -. definitelY,· their exploitation in this country. Sir, Edu- been a significant year. By lakin. revolu • .c,atiOD in the coutry ·is beinl,revolutioniMd tionary stet'S ·\1. like· the ' crop fnS(ltancc b, Prime Minister and it beiDI voca- out': schel'(lC, bemus .~nd ' sOcial. s,ecurity ·~~etii~.. J tiOnali8e~(; This i, tl)e opportunit, to ,"""" .... :,bive tried to iDculcate aalf-conikl_w" 'amoDl·tbe farmer. and 'the' 'worken. In pabHshed a report, 'out 'of, which ,I, waat ;tlre :Ueld·o( rUral doveJopmeat, 00 the one to mention two or three petals. It men ' baDd. \'Ie·have tried to increase the oppor- tions that, in the Block, a case for link.... . teitiel of employment throuah \ . IRDP, w~Jis for irrigation was prepared. 'Power Nil:!'; RLBGO schemes and on the other pump sets were 10 be installed there. 'band we bave 'suceeeed.,d to a Il'eat extent Tbe well, bave already been dug and pump . ,ift· lifting the poor above the poverty line. sets have been purcbased. Now. they have 'But I 'would like to lay one thiD, that we come to know that the line cannot tate lack self.confidence while making effortfl to much· load. Similarly, in a BJock.. achieve' the tarsots fixed for our scheme., case for milch cattle was finalised but the :There are two main reasons for it. One Veterinary Department said that" mUch is that there has been a tremendous cattle were not available. In my own incresao in our population because of 'area, when I w!s an M.L.A. bet".. 'which we have wavered in our determina- 1980 to J 985, a case was finalised in. tion to achieve the targets and secondly, Block for goats. One unit consists of 1.0 'in spite' of the completion of six Five she-goats and one he-goat, With much Year Plans, correct figures have Dot been difficulty they could get she-goats but projected before us. You are a11 aware could not find a he-goat and for one fUlJ year that adequate, reHab1 e and the latest that goat unit i'emained without a he-,Olt. B,ures, are of utmost importance for the You can very well imagine how much ,formulation of a plan and the determina- milk and how many kids would bavo tiOD of targets if we want to achieve been produced and how it would have progress.- This is stU 1 lacking in our coun· remained a viable . unit. Similar i. try. In 'our entire country and in our the case of the IRD Scheme. In that, we States, although the departments' are do much work under TRYSEM but functioninl. yet at the lower level. we TRYSEM is not 8 r..-liabJe scheme. We pay try to collect figures by posting one or two bot.h to the instructors as well as to the persons only, which definitely does not trainees but it is not being fully l;ltilised prove to be a succeessfuI endeavour. The and in fact training is not beinl imparted. result is that we are not able to fix our Therefore, my submission is that the ITI tarlets correctly, The fact is that only scheme, under which industrial trainiDa tba' .plaD succeeds which is prepar ed at is given, 'should be extended to the rural the Il'assroot 1evel but we do not formula to areas. district development plans. We prepare departmental plana and that too at tbe Similarly, the NREP scheme is also State level. ConsequentJy, the whole quite important. I fail to understand how admiDiat~atioD has bacomc "utilisation- sitting here we determine that in the jobs minded", The administration koeps only tbis tbina in mind that whatever allocation to be done under the NREP, like CODl- has been ma. should be shown as having tructing bu ildings and roads and diuloa boeD utilised and with this the tarlot is wells, SO 1'« cent will be the wa. com· eoatidered to have been achieved. Tbis. pommt. I challenge that wIth 50 per cent tendency Jives birth to corruption. It is happcniDa in the eDtriro country, in all the as wage compenet; no job can be comple- Stat ••. 'which is resulting in corruption. t cd. Th e wages compon ent ii' alway. I':waat to'live two or three exam", "'0 we have ,Cailed to· achieve our biuer. tatlets because of this tendency. Tho tar· Before concluding, I wC?ul~ ute to 18, aet fixed under RLBOP for 198.. 3-84 was one tbins morc, Ther e!s .evere dl'OUlht to create throe tbouaaocl Jakbs of .....,. employment potential"·· but by in Madhya Pradesh and tho State n' Pelwary,' ,1;9&5"",. could cr,cato,only Governmeat with tboir limited. resoutces 11"a~aS 'Id& ·OIDpJeymoat. "W ~ Cannot face tile. situation. There is' need ,__ l.lIed, Ie man.,."fieJet: and wlatefer U. to usiat '&he c· State Government bt tilt, ...... vo.l.on·dle :'baaJf.'of .,:the ',I,· "II".' The St,ate,·Babk, ,of. ;hIclia""bas rea- APIUL '0, 1'.5·

SHRI BANWARI LAL BADlWA Sir" tbe, hi, tultivatorl'" ,ha,e I.~to (Tonk): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I am all the inputs, but, the small. farmor f.co. grd.feful to you for liviD. .rile an oppor- a lot of difficulties, in this reaard. He, '... tunity to speak on these Demands. Tbe Dot get Joan from the . cooperative soclet!' timer at my disposal is very Jimited and .a a result of which he is unable to dil a the su\)ject very wide: Therefore, I shall welJ of bis own for irria.at ion. This is. the plaCe my points before you very briefly. bi, difficulty being faced by tho small and marginal farmers. I want ,1 hat I GovQ"nm.m Since 1947, we havc seen a revolu- sllould provid'o tubeweIJs to' the HarijaD8 tionary proaress in the country in the and Girijans fot irriptiUI their lands. Let field of agriculture. In 1947, the pro- Governtment sink tubewe1Js for them and duct ion· of foodgrains in tbe country was re~over the cost from them in instalments.. 2.S crore tonnes and the statistics of tho last year shows that 1 ~.20 crore tonnes Many powers were given to the mana- of foodgrains were produced. It shows lement of tbe cooperative sOcieties duriol that we have achieved tremendous pro- the Janta Party rule. The entire money gress in this field and have taken a bia used to be drawn by the Managers of tbe leap forward. This progress is mainly cooperative societies and they used to attributed to the creation of irrigation give loans at their will. Many fictitious facUities and making availabl e the required transactioos were also mad,e. In the .ural inputs for raising the yield from agri- areas, tbe Harijans_ and Girijans arc, culture. particularly, uneducated people. Most of them did not get the loan. But, even today, , One thing which 1 want to say is tbat loans ran&in, from Rs. 10,000 to Rs. fOT agriculture, tbe people require to be I S,OOO are outstanding against their educated. Rajasthan is a State where the names. Government should find out some need for an Agricultural' University is solution in this regard so as to relievo being badly felt. Earlier, a University these poor people from these fictitioul was set up, but it has been converted into _loans. a multi.purpose Univenity in course or time. Therefore, my suggestion is that Another point which I want· to mako the Jabner Agricultural College-a very old is that you give 33 per cent subsidy to the College pre .. Independence days-shou Id Harijans and SO per cent to the Scheduled be converted into a University. Tribes. Their social status is almost the same and therefore. there should not be Now, l' want to speak about my own any discrimina tion in the m~tter of giviD, constituency. Airiculture becomes subsidY to them. Both of them should be meaningloss if there is no water. There given '0 per cent subsidy. is no big dam or pond in my constituency.' The Central Government should give appro- You Dave fixcd the amount of loan to val to the Beesalpur Dsm project as early be given for cainel cart and bullock 'cart; as possibl e, so that irriaation facilities could under I. R. D. P. at Rs. 5688. This be provided to the people of that area. amount of Rs. SOOO. is .not sflicjent thOiO days. You fix a unit for this purpose Md The Cultivators have heen benefited provide as mach'loan to the unit as .it a lot by the cooperatives, but at the same needs. Your 'ptOaramme is not provilla· a (ime a number of shortcomiogs have allo SUCcesl witb this provilim of Rs. 'DOe,- been noticed in this lector which should Therefore, you kindly pay attclllion to raY be removed. You keep the cultivator in aUllcatjon. the' coopel&tive sector. . All operations right from plou~hjnB the field to the The Committee whidl wu ~ilQW

marketina df his produce as alao bit to provide loant' frolD,/tho' .. bank, to' < boulina sbolld be broUlbt under the educated unempto1;ed for ·:~f·t1l\pla1;t. ~pe~tive ~,ector, and all enCOUl&lemcnt' .eat .·,our State.aled ·-to haV6:·.tbe '.ula sho\Ild be &i'Vcn to tho cooperativos for :'ramuth" OIl h. tMn,'.IIOW" Do: JJIl'Io".~:t" this purpose. . " ,. ,tClScatlttte ia thore Oil tho OotDoU•• c.,. (G,,,,rlll) ,. J98JJ6' 31 ~ I, .'

a result of which the. educated ,unemployed determine the asricultural productioll,' . do DOt get Justice. Therefore, a, public or course, out Government bas some repres.lltatiye Bboukl b. there' 00 this good scbemes bot, unrortuJjate'!y" their cemritte e~ officers and otb er persons 'who are 'con", '> nected wi lh tbese schemes are in isusift,' Everywhere 17~80 brs. their powers. we hear tom.' pJaint~ about the· adulterated seeds. i had . SHRI G .S. BASAV A RAJ (Tumkur) : a bitter experience of these adulterated Mr. Detmty Speaker, Sir I raise to support seeds last year. I was expecting a' yield' the aemands tor grants pertaining to the of 100 bags of maize but I could not get Ministry of Agriculture and RU,raJ Develop- even one bag of maize. Such bad seeds ment. While speakins on the demands I were supplied to me. want to I'11t before the Hon. Minister Shrf Buta Singbji the vital problems faced by Organic manure and artificial fertilizers the farmers in 'our country. also play an important role in the gr'een revolution. On the cover of this annual 70 to 72 per cent population of our a,ricultural report a bag of fertilizers is, country Jives in villages and farming is shown. I do not understand why so its, main profession. The inputs of agri. mucb of importance is given to these cultural produce are: 1. Technology 2. fertilizers. We do not at all bother about Quality of Seeds 3. Organic manures and the organic manure. In our country ,we artificial fertilizers 4. Pesticides 5. Im· have: plements 6. Irrigation and 7. Credit. 19.1 crores Cattle Modern technology plays a vital rol e 6.9 crores Buffaloes in the devel~pment of agriculture and its 13.8 crores Sheep and goats produce. For the last 3 S years we were 1.0 crores PilS Dot able to impart the knowledge of modem technology to tbe rural yoqth. 19.3 crores Chicken (Poultry) R.ural youth always intendS to leave the 1.0 crores Others. villages and settle in a nearby town or city. This. is because of Jack of useful vo- In addition to this there are 70 crores cational education in the rural areas. It is of people. Why don't we prepare compost a matter of regret that even today the manure? What is happening to the waste rur a I youth is iporant of mechanisatiOD of of the people and animals? Most of tbe aariculture. Even the viJJaSe level workers animal manure is beiDI burnt. COWduDg (VLW) are not doing their duty. Once is being burnt even in Delhi. This is a our late Prime Minister Jawabar Lal colossal waste. Manure worth Rs. 12,500 N:ehru bad asked to tbrClw these VLWs croreS is being wasted every year. When illto the sea. Therefore it has become I was a boy, I remember the burning of vory easential to chanle the scene in cowdung. Even today this is continuing. villal,ea. Schools should be opened in If this trend contioues, the fate of farmers evOlY villaae where training in modern will continue to be in doldrums. I donot agricultural t~chnology can be imparted say that artificial fertilizers should not be t~ ~e rural youth. If this step is Dot used at all. But why sbould we give, 10 t.un immediately it is sure th.lt allricul. much importance to artitlcial fertilizers ture, itself will be destroyed, iu the noar which have to be imported from ,oUts;dce, f..tt .... e. only multinationals are benefitted by this. Tliis only alternative left before us is to make use ,of the OrJ8nic ,manure to the I Good quality ,ceds are 'not' supplied to the, farmers. I feel sorry to say this maximum extent. The M officers who' JU'O bocau.ae it ia tbe ·.,14, wbich 'will mainly re.ponliblo. ror purauadin, tbe farm.,ra to ! . utilize orpniG llWlure should be warned

strictI,. They sbould work hard in, thia i' roaard ·.ad they COIlIlOt ...po tbeir·..... poaaillititJ. ,I" Co ,uk ,til"' .,'o~ [Sbri o. S. Basava Raj] tractors to farmer. .at cheaper .rates .. Farmers are 'Dot' _tinl· remunerative:,. ·whether they have any account of the prices from .Aaricultural Prices Commi.. i quantity of green .manure available in l sion. There is no one to represent farme~ OJl1' country. In China there are several in this Commission. Farmers' agricultural measures to improve the soil. Similarly produce like paddy is purchased at 10'lY? I have seen in R.ussia a Iso. They add human . rates. and animal waste to soil and. improve its quality. In addition. tbey ar e e"portinp Similarly cotton grown by farmers .il fertiHzers to us. Germany and Japan also purchased at the ra to of Rs. 5/- per are makin& 8ufDci ent progress in this kilo. But for a dbot.i wei,hinl one kilo regard. the consumer bas to pay more than hun- . dred rupees. Who is ,the benefici ...'? It. But ironically, here in India we are is neither the producer nor the consumer burning it. If this practice cont inues fot but the middle man. To-day the cont!ition another ten to twenty yeats, the Soil would of farmer is miserable. If Gandhiji would be destroyed and there would be only have been alive he would have hanged barren land, and again we will have to himself before this parliament. 'depened upon imporh. Cow dung, dry leaves, animal waste etc. should be utili-. The .officers (eight p~r cent), merchants " sed properly for making Compost manure. (three per cent) and six percent of ·the Concerned officers must be trained in this factory emplo) ees are enjoying all the resard. Our. Oovt. has several good pro- benefits of this country. But the farmers srammes but it is for the officers to make are getting nothing. Therefore, I demand them a srand succe~s. farmers should get all the facilities on levy system. Even the implements and Irrigation is the core of agricultural fertilizers should be provided to them OD . sector. To-day you do not give our levy system. They shoul d also get medical farmers all the essential facilities. You Bnd other facilities like others. If such simply provide them sfficicnt irrigation facilities are provided to farmers then The rest of the thinas they can Cacilities. they can change the country's picture. manage them~ elves. To-day in our coun- They can make the peopl~ of cities to try there is not even 25 of % irrigated move towards villages. Then only the dream land. Bulk of the water is flowing to the of our Mahatma will come true. lea. Instead of going for big scheme and Industries why don't we cone eatrato on Horticulture is an important aspect irrigation. There is a steep decline in the in the field of agriculture which ,has to be : rate of rain fall. It is high time that we encouraged in all respects. All kinds of' live top priority to irrigation. This alone fruits can be grown in our country. We caD lift the farmers from their miseries. have the best climate in the world. Drip irriptioD must be given top priority. It is The go-operative societies a~e not a matter of shame th!t in Karnataka one helping the poor farmers to aet loans. lAS officer has been mad e the Director NBARD is giving loan at the rate of 4 %. Horticulture department. Can't they find On the contrary Carmers have to pay at expert' farmers for such posts? . Why this the rate of 14 % to co-operative societies. craze to appoint lAS officers every where? I urac our hOIl. Minister to loo~ into this . Farmers should be involved in all the prO- matter aDd help the farmers to get loans arammes of hQrticulturc. In, every houso: at the lowest rates of interetst. both in urban aDd rural areas at -least' fruit tree should be &fown. Fruit plants Farmers are handicapped by. DOt. pttiol and flower plants . should be pOWD prcJper implements to improve agriculture. Afforestation proarammes should :be takea. Aaro-ladultri. are not takina koen' in. . up at a f.ltor rate. Fisherios also should; .terIIt to help 'the farmers. If a farmer be' CDC9uraaod to the. maximum eltCat• tat .. a tr·aGtor 00 hire be haa to ,pay at loast three h.c1ted ruppeel. .lmtDodiate N&Slt; a.LEG.P, 1&DP and' othOr" sucll 1tlUl1IIItai.·.\IIi . be., ... 40 . .plOYiclc ". ~ 110 a boon to tllo f.ItDl_ .i , ,I am llrateful' to our' tate, lamented sufferings and the pUaht. of the larmer~'Dl~ : . leader smt. Indira Gandhi 'for t.er novel the <::ountry and how he is beiftl looted. l 20 .point proaramme. Our youthful P·rime Irrespective of the fact' that he spote'}u .(' . , Minister is' also enthusiastic to help the MalayaJam or rather thaa ,n 'Hindi,', farmers.in all ways. But the .officers aro' .•. ••. .•. (lnte"uptlons) ... ••. TiwarjJt~, not marching, ahead as expected by the you must have unoerstood ••.••.••• ( l"t,,·•. GOMtOm,ent. Some states are· also not rllptions) ...•••..• Anyway, be'· ho' implementing the 20-point programme spoken for the farmers and bas 'pOinted out properly. In Karnataka, NRE.P is beiDI the problems being faced by them ~. ~. ; •. implemented through contractors and some ( Interruptions) •••.••• I am ape.kina village officers. This bas to be set right in Hindi. All the Congress Members' and mODey should not be misused. Instead, sitting here have supported the Bud,et'ln poor farmers should be helped. Then only their speeches, but have mentioned tho our nation ·can become ri~h. . In IRDp· problems of the farmers. The on.11· Programme it is the middlemen who i5 difference between them and us is tb,t tbe getting the benefit while giving sheep, Members sitting on that side support the' caltie. buffaloes etc. to the farmers. Budget but condemn the Government while Instead of this, farmers should get pump th~ Members sitting on this side oppose t sets and other irrigation facilities. In the Budget and aJso condemn the Govern .. RLEGP also the middJe man is exploiting nlent .••... th e farmers. THE MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE To make the farmers' life more fruit- AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT-SMRl fu], I have the following suggestions to olTer to our beloved Prime Minister 8hri BUTA SINGH: No, they support. Rajiv GaD dhi and our ~griculture Min i- ster Sbri Bula Singhji : SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: The. report of this Ministry which has been 1. Free education to Children of all circulated to us says that the production of farmers; foodgrains this year has been 150 inUllen tonnes more than that of the previous yeat,. 2. AU the facilities should reach the But who should be complimented or J farmer ., house ; congratulated for this increase? Should we congratulate this Governmont? Not

3. '. - Farmers should get all the benefits a.t all. The credit for this goes to. th,o' I which the Government employees farmer who has increased the produCtion • are enjoY ing ; by h is band work..... • " ( InlerrlJP- tions ) •••• ; • You need not sive credit 4. Agriculture should be treated as to the B.lP...... '. (ln1erl'l~.p'i()ns) .. an Industry while fixing the . .•..• Your claim that the IDcreaso in prices for agricultural produce; production is attributable to the policies o{ . .. Government is totally meaningless. If s. All the villages should' be develop- increase in production is due to tb.~ po1i~iea ed like cities.· Housing facilities, of the Governm:nt, why then is there DO

common bio gas plantsJ etc. should sood crop in the year in which there. at. be provided to villages immedia., deficient rains; when conditions of droulht 'h~ly. and famin.c are created 1 Tbt;,l',oaIQIl .fo~< this increase is lood rains, the bOunty I Conclude my, sl'O~cb. of nature and favourable cUmat~ COJld'~, tions. Because, in a year of drouabt . or .. ' sHRi C. JANGA RBDDY (Hanam· when th~re. are 00 raioa, GovernmoQi 01'..... '. kODda': Hon. Chairman, Sir, today. say, "What can we do, thore have"~ .JIQ .. . thinY1cvoo leaCi .. after Indop.ondotlOc, we raiD$, tbore is drouah~ so tho r,.o4uodoir.~. aro baYial dlsoussion on aariclllt~re and Dot ,god, the production of paddy i., ·aot rue&! ',dov,cloPmoDt. ,Tho- ... ~.··_Womboi: .' aOO4?~ 1I'~ro'ia .. lOQleaooddO¥~' W~. _~',,~e~~e ~9~.}0J4·",.:~ut(;~c • a.~~'!l~ ,trY,~~.'~' .. ~~d,~ ~"t~. ,.:~' ~ 1~ Demands tor Granl! (G,"er./), J~8jJ6 316

[Shri c. ],uga ReddY] increase you have achieved in irrigation faciliti es as compared to the Jast Yell'. when sometbing unfavourable happens then (lnterrupt;on~-) An hone Member has just the blame is attributed to some other factor. now told us how irrigation facUities should The way Government usurp a 11 the credit be provided. What means have we provi. is really unfortunate. We should make ded to the farm er in agriculture 1 (1nlt,.. such arrangemlnts that rains or no rains ruptions) These people want to give facili- water or no water, our aaricultural produc- ties. According to Government, Joan is tion should not decline in any event. No provided at 8 rate of 13 to 14 per cent details have been given of the steps taken interest, water js Dot available in time, or the arrangements made by Government still the farmer makes arrangements for in this regard .•.....( Interruptions) water by dialing wells. If he installs a pump set to draw water from the weU, SHRI BUTA SINGH : Mr. Cha irman , power is not supplied. In spite of all tbis, Sir, the hOD. Member has just now referred the farmer draws water from the .tubeweUs to three factors, if there are rains, the and raises his crop. In the face of all credit goes to God, if there a re DO rarns these difficulties he produces paddy and the credit goes to the farmer ....•. wheat, still he is exp10ited. Big traders buy foodgrains at cheap rates from the SHRI C. JANOA REDDY : When farmer, but. still the consumer does not there are rains, rain water should be utilized get foodgrains at cheap rates. by constructing a dam .....• AN HON. MEMBER: Are you plead- SHRI BUTA SINGH: The people of ing here the case of the farmer or the the State to which you belong say that consumer? there have been no rains successively for three years, and in spite of that, the crop SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: I am product~on has been increasing. only speaking for the farmer. We know the reason behind it •..... (Interruptions) SHRI C. JANGA REDDY The ...... I am pI eading the case of farmers. reason for this is that we have constructed The consumers do not gct foodgrains at the big dams and have stored water. price at which the Government of India procure foodgrains from the farmer. There- SHRI RAM PYARE PANIKA (Roberts- fore, what I want to say is that the farmer ganj): They were constructed by the should be given a remunerative prtce for Congress Government. their produce. ..

SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: They For the last two years, we have been might have been constructed by the importing sugar due to the low price of Cangress Government, but it was the public sugarcane. What steps have the Govern- money which was spent on them. There- ment taken to raise the price of sugarcane? fore, the only thing which I want to stress •...•• (Interruptions) •.•••• We know is that Government should provide more the Congressmen are industrialists ..•..• and more irriaation facilities. It is for the (Interruptions) ..•.•• That is the reason first time in the history that the production why they have raised the price of sugar bas increased due to the viSit of a Member from two rupees to five rupeos •••••• of Paarliament or the han. Minist er to a (lntrrruptions). Mr. Chairman, Sir, I can- particular place, as claimed by you. You not say anythina about the aross indisci- just tell us how much irrigation c"pacity plin c in the Congress party. When I am you have increased, what reduction has speakin& in Hindi in spite of my being a been made. in the price of f ert il izers Telugu speakina person. you should try to supplied to the farmeri~,'~ You should have listen to me. liven an ~unt in Parliament of tbe bard w01't done, !.t:the farmers. and tben claimed There is only the Degroe Course in the that10u have .De a bilJOO, whereas the Alricuhural Universiti eSt They' shoUld entirc credit '0" to thc'farmers and the have a Two-Year Diploma COUrIO. Ther. ,Iopl. ~ &be cou",. YO\l \.aI UI Uti ia ... olleJer II f' 'tie, ..... tbt AFt1\ll'*, ' VAI!\AKHA 10. 1907 (SAXA)

Mailtant and the B.D.O. Thore should be the rural development prosrlmme is rot .. diploma holder ·amona the aaricultural construction of roads, or hospital., school,; araduates to do publicity and Ii vo luges· primary schools, etc. The funds that are tiona on agriculture. at the village level. IOing into the pockets of Government Therefo:re, a two-year diploma course clerks should be investigated. You should Ihould be introduced in the alriQUltural constitut e a comm ittee to look into it. univ~r8ities. We had pointed out to the ADdIt,. When we get Joan from tbe banks, a Pradesh Government that about SO per cont rate' of 4 per cent interest is charged, but of the funds of NREP, LREOP and MNP 13, 14 and even 18 per cent interest is were going into the pockets of tbo bil charged on the loans given to the farmers. peopJe and the bureaucrats and, tborefore, The Commercial banks do not advance these funds should be disbursed by bavlnS loans at a rate less than 18 per cent. We a proper set up for that. let a variety of Joans from the banks in the cooperative sector. But, we do not get SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL (Kota) : these loans in time. 1berefore, my sub- Mr. Chairman Sir, while supportfnl the mis~ion is that there should be a scheme Demands for Grants of the Ministry of to help the farmers to get Joans in time Agriculture and Rural Development, I lind under that scheme, loan should be wouJd like to congratuJate the hon. Min.tor a·dvanced by anyone of the banks at Shri Buta Singh because ever Since he took 6 per cent interest. Loan for a tractor is over charle of the Asriculture Minjstry, he sanctioned immediat ely but it is very has started the export of foodgrains. tho difficult to get a crop loan. Loan for hon. Members who spoke before me have tractor is given expeditiously because said many things and as you have given me tractor manufacturing firms conn ive with only two minutes time, I would like to the bank officials and teU them that they dwell on two or three sehemes oly. have plenty of tractor and as such you may sanction the loans urgently and for that they also bribe the bank officials so that The main objective of the NREP II.to loan for tractors is sanctioned a8 early a. provide employment opportunities to the possible. rural labour and to create community assets of a Jasting nature in order to streD,then The industrialists manage through the the rural infrastructure. It is unfortuQlte bank. in getting loans to doctors, bu,t those that we provide them with employment but who ate in dire need do not get loans. I we are not able to ensure minimum wqcs would, therefore. request that loans be to them. The Muster rolls show ton P~rtons at work whereas the actual payment ia 8lanted to tbe farmers at a low rate of interest and at the earliest. made to fifteen persons. There is always trouble over this issue between the junior engineer and the Sarpanch. It has I would like to raise a few points about also been observed that under NREP, the rurnl development. IREP, lREGP and dispute is over the 50 per cent labonr MNP are programmes meant for rural component and tbe SO per cent material development. Most of my friends here component. Labour is paid at the rate of have suuested that under these, program- Rs. 2 and Rs. 2.50 per head. This should mes, foodlrains should be given directly to be looked into. On the one hand Govern. the labourers, whether it is in Janafa-ruled mont want to ensure minimum wages and States or Conaress.ruIed States, but in no OD the other hand they themselves pay ·case this is being done. Rs. 2 to Its. 2.S0 only.

So far as the muster rons are concer. Asacts of a lasting nature cannot be ned, ten persons work and the supervisor created under this scheme due '0 lao.k of marks attend~nce of fifteen porsons aDd funds ~ause SO per cent of the fundi makes payment to ten persou. The pay.. is spent on the Labour ComponeAt aad ment sboul4 be mado tbrouab the conteaeo. 50 pOr ,eot. 08 the material compcmeat. fOf'aad there .bou~d, ~~ \lIli~Or~i~ wb!tbor Bat_ .. are Dot ,_crated like tbia tbouI1a 319 . Demands lor Grtlrtts APRIL 30; t 93,'

rShri Shanti Oharlwa1] Se\'enth: PJan but no attentjon has:beon paid to th',inilationary pressure that would be " the main aim of the scheme is to,generate created due to this. estates and to provide employment. Whole- hearted e,tTorts are necessary to achieve all It was envisaged in the Sixth PJan that this. all the villages, where the population' is more than 1500 and SO per cent of the The basis of allocation of funds under viJ1nges where the population is between . the NREP is a Iso faulty. 75 per cent of 1000 to 1 seo would be linked witl] all the funds is given on the basis of the weather roads by J 990. But it stems that number of marginal farmers or agricul- at the speed at ""hich the ",ork is ioing on, tural labour and the rest 25 per cent on it would not be possible. Even after , the basis of poverty. This sort of allo~a­ 37 years of Indept'ndenf~e, thousands of tion leads 10 increase in regional disparities. villages are not Hnked with roads. By This programme dOes not spell out that we 1990 that is, by the end of Seventh Plan, havt to use surplus labour for capital all the villages with a population of formation. My submission is that planning 500 each should be provided with link bodies should be set up at the district levet roads. which may plDn for the district and approve ,it; only then tht"re can be improvement in SHRI JAGDISH AWASTHI (Bilhaur): the progrnmme. Mr. Chairman, Sir, While supporting the Demands for Grants of the Ministry of The food stock that is with Government Agriculture and Rural Development, I should be used partly to pa) wages to the would like to mtke a few subrnhsions. tabourers for their work and t~e cost of Since Independence, the countrY's popula- the material component should be met from tion has increased manifold and tbe pro- the SO per cent grant from the Central duction of foodgrajns has also increased but Government. The State Governments the two have not kept pace. The popuJa. should mobilise funds for the maintenance. lation jncrcases by two and a quarter crores The expenditure on these pf('1gram· every year, whereas the food grains produc- mes is shared equally by the Government tion is not increasing in that proportion. of India and the State' Governments. But It is true that you have made an announce. the basis (\f this matching contribution ment to export foodgrains but you wiJJ should be changed because the State have to reconsider this decision 80 that in Governments have paucity of funds and, our bid to earn more foreign exchange we therefore, they are not abie to implement may fail to feed our own countrymen. it properly. Therefore. we should have to There are only two ways of increasing change it to some extent. production. The first is to reclaim lakhs of acres of waste and barren land in our country, within these five years on a war A J 'TRYSEM' scheme has been intro.. footin~ duced by the Rural Development Ministry. by raising a land army so that not I would like to point out that even after even a single inch of J~nd remains barren. spending thousands 9f rupees on the train· Along with this there is need to prov ide ing of these people, they roam about .good quality seeds, fertilizers and water to ~ngaged unemployed. They neither get loans from those who 'are jn intensive rarminl the banks nor assistance. from D.R..O.A. ',so that the production may increase. We promise them that jf they undergo training, we would help them in starting One thina to which everyone bas some venture but thereafter they are left drawn attention is that the farmer doe. Dot 'get hip and dry~ Directives should, therefore a fair price for his produce. The cost be issued to the banks to grant Joans and of cultivation is constantly increasing, and tbe amount of the loan to .,e given to a 'so are the price. today.' A manufaCturer good~ particular person should also be spe~ified~ produces and' fixes the price himlclf but it is ironical that th~ price of., tb,~ produce of 'the 'farmer b fix,ed by, the tracllr There is .a provision, of RI. 10,500 and the consumer. Th~ result fa, tblt, til.. crOtf.S (or RLEOP .. aD4 NaBP in the i. disconteDt amoDI farmen todaY. " ., VAISAKHA 19, 1901 (S.4KA) :(Gttt"sl),198J..I6 . 3%2 ~

Sir, tometimes there is a bumper crop remarkabl e achJeveme.ot for .India. the of potatoes and sometimes there. is bumper farmers and the agricullural scientists of crop ot·suaaroane which becomes the caUSe our country deserve congratuhitions for of anxiety for the farmer. He does not this achievement. Though we have increa- aet a fair price for his ~rotjuce in the sed the foodgrains production yet tbe DIe market. The hon. Minister should look of scientific seeds, fertilisers and in.eotf. irito it. You had fixed the price of pota- cides, has had its effect on the quaHty of toes at Ra. SO por quintal but the pur- foodgrains and vegetables. Thirty years chase centres have not been opened. There before, when chemical fertjJjsers were Dot is need to look into it. used, the quality of roodgraiDs and v.... tables used to be good but now it is deterio- You have introduced many schemes in rating. Now Bajra does not taste as weJl the villases to remove unemployment such as it used to earlier and it bas Jost ita as the Rural Development Scheme, the nutritive value. Similarly, there is no National Rural Development Pro~ramme, nutritive value Jeft in potato also. there.- a.nd the Rural Landt ess Employment Gua- fore, I request that whiI e moving falter rantee Programme. The benefit of these towards scientific achievements we shoUld programmes have not reached the poor also pay more attention to Gobar .. Ou farmen and the Landless. The intermedia- Plants. The farmers should be encouraged ries take advantage of these programmes. to instal Gobar Gas Plants. Dung ia You should look into the working of these being used as fuel, because wood is programmes. becoming scarce, so, it should be stopped. The production of oi1seeds has come People take loans from various institu- down considerably in our country. Its t ions. You must look into it. The Reserve price in Barmer and JaJore districts is Bank bad also sUAgested that every farmer Rs. 345 per quint:ll, whereas the support should have a pass-book. Some States price of Government is Rs. 38S per have implemented it. You should look quinta]. The Central Oovernment is not into this aspect also. purchasing if in these districts whereas the, ar e doing so in some other 8istricta. Besides, I would like to ~ay a few Government should take necessary steps in words about the fisheries department. My friend spoke at length in this regard just this regard. now. Our fishermen go out into the sea The benefit of the research work beiDa to catch fish and use big boats belonging carried on in the institution in Jodhpur is to big people. But 70 per cent of the not reaching the farmers. They have contribut ion in this fieJd is that of the carried out research work on how to stabi- fishermen. The biS people contribute only 1i.s~ Sand-dunes and they have also succee- 30 per cent, but still the poor fishermen ded in growing jujube but its benefit is not do not get any profit. We have Mallahs reaChing the farmers in desert area. in our villages who work in rivers and ponds but there is no scheme to provide Mr. Cha'rman, Sir, all the rural deve- them with facilities. Our Prime Minister lopment work is done by village pancbayats Sbri R.ajiv Gandhi bad announced the setting and panchayat committees but in maDY uP of a Fishermen's Welfare Board but till States elections to the village panehayats today notblng has been done in this regard. and panchayat committees have not beeo My request it that immediate steps should held. These institutions are defunct and, b-e taken for the welfare of fbhennen so therefore, the rural development program- that their lot could improve. mes are not being implemented in those areas .. Just as elections to the Assemblies With theSe wordS, I support the and Parliament are held in time, we should DomaQ(la. make permanent arrangements to ensure , that. elections to the vin.,e panchayetl aDd . SURl 'VIRDHI CHA.NDER. JAIN . pancba,lt committees are also held in tin.. (Bar1DOr) : Mr. ·Qairma,o Sir, in· 1•• 3-84 $b.e WAI .recor4 PJ04vction 1$.15 Cfore 1 waD t to'st.... s· 9ftrtieularl, eme pojnt. UtldW tbc.Desen Development PfOll1l&lDI d. foodll'aiDs in OW' ,coDUlf1 wbicll w.. a t ! 23 ,'btmands !or Cranl' APIlIL 30, 1985 rShri Virdbi Chander Jain] lances in the production of food· ,rain. there a.re about 21 districts and the Central The east em region was traditionally known "Government make SO per cent contribution as the storehouse of roodgrains. But the under the Proaramme. Under the Hm entire zone is now lagging far behind in . Area Development Prollramme there is agricultural production. So I request the ninety per cent grant and only 10 per cent Hon'bte Minister to extend necessary as- loan but the position in desert areas is sistance to the farmers of eastern region worse than in the hill areas. The central to increase their production of foodgraips. Government's assistance should be provided At the same time, steps should be taken according to the requirements of the situa- to increase the production of milk, egg, tion. 1 request the hon. Minister to try to marine products, fruits and vegetables. get more funds from the Planning Com. It is also necessary to increase the produ- mission for the Rural Development Pro- ction of cotton, coffee, tobacco, cashew gramme so that we may get the maximum nuts, jute and spices. I hope that the Govt. possible relief, the famine situation is very will take note of my su~gestion in this critical in our area. The Report of the regard. Central Government Team, which visits the f'~mine affected areas to suggest ways and Now, I would like to bring it to the means to combat the famine is submitted notice of the Minister the difficulties of after two month sor so and the assistance farmers in Orissa. ~ir, Orissa is predomi. is not p~ovided In time. I, therefore, nately an agricultural stat e. Two thirds appeal to the bon. Minister to take steps of the total income of the State comes to provide the maximum relief to our area from agriculture. But It is regrettable and that too in time. that there have been stagnation in the production of foodgrains in that State. With these words~ I support the One of the .main reasons responsible for Demands of the Ministry of Agriculture this is due to the primitive methods of and Rural Development. cultivation, adopted ~y the people. No speeial steps has been tak.:n to train the SHRI HARIHAR SAREN (Keonjher)* farmers to adopt modern methods of Sir, l rise to support the Demands for cultivation. Irrigation facility has not Grants in repect of the Ministry of Agricul- been provided in many areas of the State. ture & Rural Development. India is an The farmers depend on rain for cultiva. agricultural country. Two thirds of the tion. total popuJatit.')o in India earn their liveli· hood from agriculture. Therefore it is Sir, Rice is th e pr inci pal crop in neccsc;ary to lay greater emphasis on agri. Orissa. J request the Govt. to provide culture. We get half of our national adequate Central assistance to the State income from agriculture. Agriculture of Orissa for the development of rice was accor ded topmost priority in Sixth crop. High yieldin.g crops should be sown in Plan and under the 20 Point Economic mor e acres 0 f land. Programme I am happy to see that it has also been given due importance in 1985- After rice, wheat is the next impor. 86 Budget. tant crop in the State of Orissa. The State Govt. has been launching a pilot project A few decadel alo there was scarcity for the intensive cultivation of wheat. of food-grain" in the country. But now Govt. of India should provide sufficient we have not only become self-sufficient in financial assistance for imp} ementins that foodarains, but we have also been able pilot project. to export. The climatic condition of the hlU,. Sir, It is a matter of great regret areas in Orissa i8 very fa/ourable for th"at still there are some resioD!')} imba-' pu~se8, B~jrat and oil seeds cultivation. If tbe existina croPPinl"pattern is di ....i. ·The speech was orilinaUy delivered in ,lied and more and tnore aeres of "ttl, Oriya. Jaad Ire brou,bt under pul., laill etl vAtSAtCHA t&, .g07 (SAKA) (t;~"e,al), 198J.86... ~~6 ... and of! s-eeds cultivation, tbe inCome of Sir, large areaS in hilly areas are tho people of Orissa frnm these crops wiJI affected by.shffting cultivation. So steps increase manifold. So ~chemes should be should be taken to control shifting culti- implemented for adequate growth of these vation in the hilly areas. crops. The marketini and storaae facility The basic inputs require for the deve- availabJe in tbe rural areas is very inade- . lopment of agriculture are good fertilizer, quate. Therefore more number of rural itn1)roved variety of seeds and adequate godowns should be construe' ed in Orissa irrigation facilities. Necessary arrange- and other backward States. A1equate ment should be made to provide these marketing facilities should be created ilJ basic things· in the rural areas for the the rural areas so that the far mers sell growth of agricultural production. Ade- their produce at reasonable prices. quate plant production measures should be taken before the plants are attacked by SIr, there is enongh scope for the pests and insets. Agricultural Extrasion development of fisherieb in the 480 Km. sche,nes should be launched in more num- stre~ch of sea coast and also in inland, ber of villages. More number of colleges Water and brackish water in Orissa. Cen- of agriculture and agricultural technology tral Govl. should extend all possib Ie st cps should be opened in the Stat e of Orissa. to the State of Orissa for the development The teachers and students should be ad- of Fisheri es. vised to go to the village to train the farmers in adopting more method of culti .. vation. Sir, I am glad that due attention has been paid for the development of hord.. Sir, the State of Orissa has been experien- culture in the Sixth Plan period. The de .. cing natural calamities like drought. cyclone partment of horticulture has been bifar- and flood almost every year. The flood cated from agriculture in many States. and cyclone take heavy toll of lives and A separate directorate has been created for cause large scale damage to food crops in horticulture in Orissa also. But the creation Orissa. In order to save the State of of a separat, directorate for horticulture Orissa from u'lprecedented floods, projects is not sufficient for the growth of horticul. like Kanpur. Upper Kalab and Indravati ture. The Govt. of India should Jauncb should be exe.;uted expeditiously. Central schemes lhrough which more number of assistance should be provided to the State mango, pine apple trees should be planted of Orissa to implement plantation program- in the hilly areas. The bananas and co .. me in sea coast. Due to the absence of conut plantation should be intensi.fied in winter rain many areas in Orissa are now the coastal areas. I request the Honou .. rolins under the grip of severe drought. rable Minister to earmak substantial funds J demand that Govt. of India should pro- to implement such programmes. vide adequate Central assistance to under- take relief measures in the drought hit Sir, 1 thank you very much for having aroas. given me the opportunity to take part in the djscussion and conclude my speech •. Soil erosion causes stave concern among the farmers of Orissa. Out of the SHRI RAM SAMUJHAW AN (Saidpur) 13 districts of the SLate 9 dis tricts suffer Mr. Chairman, Sir, I am thankful to you from loil erosion of some kind or the for giving me an opportunity to speak. other. LarBe areas of cultivable land are 1 support the Demands of the Minist(y deStroyed and degraded every year due to of Agriculture and Rural Development t~iS reason. Besides the hiah lands of presented by the hone Minister for the year tbe Stat e 6uff ee from low productivity 1984-85. due to the hiah audity of soll. 1 request tbl Ho~ourab!e Minister to provide 100 % R.eJardioa Aariculture, everyone is assistante Lo the Gavl. of Orissa to imp- aware that before Independecc the Pr.o .. · lement various soil consorvation moa- duction of foodarains used to be On a RtU. 1_0( .,*0 .10 OW:. QQUIlU')'. The POopl, 3i 1 Demands lor drdntl APLltL to. 198j [Sbri Ram'Samujhawan] improvo th e condition of th-e viHales" medical facilities, schools aad roads should did not get adequate quantity of food to be providod there and all the schemes there' eat, but after Independence, our country should be implemented with aincerit,~ has progressed so much in the field of Now-a.. day& what is happening is that SO agriculture through the Five Year Plans per cent, of the funds aUott ed for the diffe- that after meeting our own requirements, rent schemes are beinp pocketed by the we are exporting foodgrains. At the Government offiCials and the big peQple- same time I want to draw the attention of and that is why tlie progress of the country Government towards one thing. In our is hampered. A major portion of the: country, all the people who are dependent funds allotted are swallowed by corrupt on agricuJture do not have Jand. The ma- persons. Government should, therefore, jority of them consist of labourers who pal attention towards this so that tbe work in the fields but cannot earn enough' country -may progress fast. to make both ends meet-This is because the attention of Government has not been drawn to the aspect that in the villages the I welcome the crop insurance scheme landlords, who possess large areaS of land and want that a cattle insurance scheme cultivate it with the help of labourers should also be formula ted. and pay them wages. They want to extract work from the lobourers but do not pay One thint more I want to submit. them enough with the result that they do In the vil1ages, the member of of Muso- not get a square meal a day. Today this is har community are still living under trt' es the problem of eastern U .P. and 1 say and huts and use pattals and wood. The)' with autho, ity that after a day's hard work have neither houses to live in nor fields they are given just one kg of food- to cultivate. Government should pay grains to sustain themse]ves. Many of special attention towards them and prepare these poor persons unable to bear the a scheme which may provide employment atrocities any more, migrate to big cities to them so that they may be able to earn and become ricksha w-pull ers or labourers their livelihood. With these words I and only sometimes they visit the ir village. support the Demands of this Ministry. I would urge Government to provide land to tbe Jandless who form the majority or SHRI K. RAMACHANDRA REDDY· 80 per cent of our popula~ion which depe- (Hindupur) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, Speak- nds on agricu lture so that they may, in- ing about the Demands for Grants of stead of remaining labourers for others, the Ministry of Agriculture and Rural work in their own fields. Development. I should say that I am dis- appointed Ver) much. I am particularly Under the 20 Point Programme land disappointed because our Hon. Agricul. was distributed among the poor but the ture Minister comes from an agricultural land given to them is not cultivabl e be- family. He knows the difficulties of our cause either that is located on the bank farmers too well. Since he knew the, of some river or is so uneven that canno t pulse of tbe farmers. I expected that he be ~ultivated. If we wan! that they should would do some jus tice to the agricultural tiJl the land, we should give them tbat community. I expected that this budget land which has become surplus after apply- would not just be a routine one. I expected ing the ceiling in all tbe States: At the many changes which wilJ revolutionise tbe hon. Member who spoke before me sa id. agricultural sector. But unfortunately. Sir, there are the persons who possess thousands the HoD. Minister has belied all my hopes. of, acres of land and they have trans rerred Again the same old bench mark bud,et is the'land in the names of their sons, diu- before us. It is devoid of any innovations. abto.rs, grandsons-srand daughters and It contains no new proposals wh ich are even dOBs, but the poor ar e without land. bcnOticial to our farmen. H reflects, no The need of tho bOUT is to appl')' the ceiling new tbtDkiD. of the Government to briDl lows so that tbe people who depend on ...i~ultgre but do not have land may be ·The spoecb was orilbiaUy dcUvoro4 provided witb land'. If you ,.lIy want to in T,luau. in aor far r~achill8 chanlles which are of Kauravas, where elders and "isetneD. essential to ·Hft this \'ital Sector out of were all present, Draupadl was stripped staanation. It is without substance. It is off her clothes. Everybody was sUont. lisUesa.· It is lifo less. It is Just a matter There were many relatives of Draupadi,. of formality. My conscious is not permit .. and otbers, but no one came to her rescue. tint me .to support these 0 emands. So a Iso there are many persons bel on 1101 I to agrh;uHural families present in this Sir, the benefits that the farmers can House. How Shri N. G. ilanga is bere. expect from these Demands arc absolu- He is known as "Ryotu Bandhava." There· tely nil. Just now when our friend Sbri are many more. All the persons who Janga Reddy was speaking, the Hon. enter this august House, forget immedia- Minister intervened and claimed that the tely alJ their past connections with far. country has produced 1SO m. tonnes of mers. They forget the interests and the foodarains last year. It is well and good. rights of the fatmers. When attempts arc We have produced more foodgrains. being made to take away the rigbt8 Everybody is pround of it. But may I ask of the farmers, they are makin, no, who are the persons who are responsible etro~ts at all to stall them. They are for this record production? W·hat is their not coming forward to protect the rigbt& economic condition? What is their posi- of farmers. These very persons '•• tion ? How and to what extent they have have compJetely forgotten the (act been rewarded for their sweat and toil ? that they represent farmers. The) forget 'Have you thought of them and their mi s- the fact amidst luxuries, that they havo cries even once? come here to safeguard the interesh or the farmers. They Jead too luxurious a Sir, these very persons, our poor life to remember the interests of farmers. farmers toil day and night round the year They are of no use at aJ J to the farmers. bravely facing all the natura) vagaries to They are forgetting the pJ ight of our poor produce more and more to feed us. Yet farmers. Sir, first compare a farmer with their condition is quite miserable. They an employee. Whether the employees ask have nothing of their own. They are for it or not, the government are sanction. reduced to skeletons to constallt starvation. ing D.A. instalments once, twice, thrice They do not have shelter. They are getting and so On. But what is the position of crushed under the mounting indebtedness. farmers 1 He hardly gets one square meal Did anybody think of their misery? What a day_ is more; the farmer has been stripped off aU his rishts. So much so that he cannot ( Imerruptions) even think of selling his produce where he can aet Bood price for it. He is not at So you have taken away all the rilbts liberty to more his produce to the markets of the farmers. where he can expect reasonabl e returns. You have imposed restrictions on lhe [English] movement of foodgrains. The farmers are being confined to their states, to their SHRI AJAY MUSHRAN: Sir, it districts and Taluqs. This is the position seems he is the only agriculturist in the today. Artificial boundaries are being crea· world. ted in order to deprive the farmers from moving their produce freely. Sir, these [Translation] .restrictions are not confined to the move- ineot foodgrains aloo c. Now the farmers SHRI RAM NAOINA MISHRA : Sir, bavo no liberty to grow the zrop of their the language used by the hon. Member choice. Thoy are beinl told as to what to is highly objectionable. It should be e.. IfOW and what n,?t to stow. They CaQD~t pUnied from the proceedinas and he Should seU their prGduce at the rates of tholr be instructed Dot to ule such 1&11,.10" itr choioe. 'they are. made t9 suft'ooate with the House. )'OQt·'QlltodinJ . rtl&rictioDa. ORe by. ODO ,.laave stJ:iPP~ tllcm o1f all t~ oi.- riabts. p/,r_Ddt vr MMlbiarati. ,I» ..... IQm!t 33 t bemanJs lor Granfs APRIL 30, t 985 . (Ge"eral), 118;.16. l3~

[Enllish] they request umpteen time.s for olectric coon ections, there is no 'one who 'heeds SHRI V. KRISHNA RAO ~ Sir, I their request. Here, in Delhi, we lee want to tell Hon. K. Ramachandra Reddy drinking water pumped upto the J ast flat that we are equally interested in the far. or the SO storeyed buildings. The. other mers. picture, which depjcts our poverty ridden villages, is contrary to it. Here, in Delhi, MR. CHAIRMAN: I will go through yoU can find stret Jights at every 10 yards the record. If there is anything objectiona .. converting nrght into day. There, for the ble, I will expunge it. farmers, not only night but even the day is dark and gloomy. The request for SHRI v. KRISHNA RAO : We are also el·ectric connections will be turned down. having more and more courtesy towards the This is the contrast we have between rural farmers. We are also coming from the and urban India, Sir, that is the reason farmer community. We are sitting here why I say that our poor farmers must be as farmers. We have not forgotten any- rescued. Concerted efforts must be made thing. This il\ for your information. Do for their emancipation. Political affiliation not blame the Government. We are also has no place here. Everyone must come having the same feeling. forward for gettmg his political connec- tions and work hard for the welfare of (lnterruptinos) farmers. Unitedly we must fight against any attempt to take away their rights. We SHRI V. KRISHNA RAO: You ask must rise ill support of the starving farmers. Rao, not us. Rama Govt. employees get D.· A. instalments whether they ask for it or not. But these [Translation 1 farmers arc offered nothing though they sweat day and night. (Interruptions). SHRJ K. RAMACHANDRA REDDY : Sir, all that I want is to bring to your Sir, the amount allocated to certain notice the plight of OUI' farmers. I am vita 1 areas has been slashed. I want to happy Sir, that there is an awakening now. bring one important thing to your notice Everyone irrespective of his poJiUcaJ in this aegard. Sir, in the development of affiliation must join hands and work uni~ agriculture, loans play a very prominent tedly for the welfare of our farmers. They part. Financial Institutions granted loans should rise above their Part:,' affiliations. worth Rs. 297 crares, But this year the The interest of farmers must be supreme amount has come down to a bare Rs 155 to everybody. That is my intention. Only crOTes. Is it helpful to the agriculturists with this intention I had to speak a bit harsh1y, hurting everybody. in the country ? Please think over it. The slashing down of the allocation is having telling effect on FertilIzers also. Sir, even after his hard Jabour, a far- Last year the allocation meant for chem;. mer has no say whatsoever in fixing the cal Fertilizers was Rs. 452 crores. This prices for his produce. Some one else year it has slumped to Rs. 255 crores. fixes tbe price for the agricultural produce Would it help our farmcu? I ask. Please sitting in air.conditioned, mult i storey ed, think of it. palatial bulldinlS here. It is a tragedy. Sir, many schemes and programmes Sri Sri a noted Te}ugu Poet and one were taken up to eradicate poverty in thQ, of the outstading poets tbe country has rural areas. But did the farmers benefit produced, says that there is hardly any- at all by tbese programmes? There is no body on the earth who ~n decide the change in their condition even now. The value of sweat. So, sir, aU the dahts which amount alJocated for rural development once the farpter in this coUDtry enjoyed is being swallowed by middlemen, soUish are beiDI taken away one by onc. They and petty politicians and Clmployeel. ·Ooly have no facilities. They do nOt have these people are becoming rich. The far- drinkina water, leave aJone a morsel of men are not at aU benofittod· by t... ,pGe. The, have· DO tle.riolty. TbQU&b...... ,tooo . tbe 1DOIl11 II ~ r.. VAISAKHA 10, 190' (SAKA) (0'''''111), IPSJ"", 334 iN ,thom. The ~ondjtion of tbe farmers MR. CHAIRMAN: So, I hope tbe remains a8 it was earlier. House agrees to extend the time by two hours. Sir, thankinS you very much for aiviDI me tbis opportunity, I conclude. Now, the bon. Minister <>f State wilJ intervene. [English] mE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF RURAL DEVBLOP. MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY MENT (SHRI CHANDULAL CHANDRA- AFFAIRS (SHRI OHULAM NABI KAR) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, in today IS AZAD) : Sir. we should extend the time debate about 47 Members have spoken 10 of the House by three hours. far and another 40 8re still waiting. I am, very happy that Members are takins SHRI S.M. GURADDI (Bijapur) : You keen interest in discussing this Ministry is take four hours, but not today; ollly day Demands for Grants. They have made after tomorrow. a lot of suggestions. They are very va1uable and they will certainly be taken care of SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD: So in arriving at decisions. many subjects are to be discussed on 2nd, 3rd and 4th May. So no time is left now. Sir, Rura I De'! elopment basically started a few years back. The 20.point SHRI S.M. GURADDI : Sir, it is an pro~ramme is int znded particulary important Demand for Grants pertaining for the alleviation of poverty. Below the to Agriculture Ministry. poverty line there are a large numbr of persons whatever their percentage may be, SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD: That but in the Sixth Five-Year Plan it was js why we want to extend the time of the categorically mentioned that throUBh the House. Otherwise you will be deprived of poverty alleviation programme, the percen- discussing the Demands of other Minis- tage of poverty population will be reduced tries. That is why we want to discuss it to less than 10 per cent. Poverty allevia- now by extending the time of th '! House. tion programme means that whatever may be the country's percentage of persons SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA (Pali): below the poverty line, that per cent will Today we have got certain programmes. be reduced by lOp er cent by 1994.95 On 2nd May we will continue. so that it is a huge programme, the type of which no democratic country in the SHRI v~ SOBHANADREESWARA world has taken up on 8uch a mass scale. RAO (Vtjayawada): On 2nd we wiiJ sit And it goes to the credit of our late for some more time. Prime Minister, Shrimati Indira Gandhi who, right from the inception of the 2().. SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD: Even point programme, has been ItressiDI the if we extend the time now, we have to development of the rural areas in tbe sit late on 2nd. So, now we extend the country where 80 per cent of our popula. time at. least by 2 hours • tion Jives.

. SHRI MOOL CHA~D DAOA: We 18.00 brs. bave been invited .•. It is such a massive programme. As (lnte rruptiona) you all know, under tbe IRDP in , tho Sixth Five Ycar Plan, tbe t~rBet was tocowrl AN HON. MBMBER: On tbe A.ri. 1 S million families who will be the , culture Ministry's Demands the Govern- beneficiaries. But you will be surprised ment is Dot taking so mach jDter~st. to know that we have crossed the tar,el aDd it is round about 16 million.. This (inttrrupti(}n,) J. a vet')' massive prOalanune. So, it is 335 .Demands for Grants APRIl 30: 1985 fSbrl Candu1al Chandrakarl gorleaJJ" 'said to all the States that ·ftte not an easy thing. There may be some viaHage panchayat should decjde w110 I , is defects here and there. the poorest of the poor in the rural areas in each block. There have been instruc- The first thing is the ;nvolvement ot tions from the Government of Ind·l. that the rural people, Panchayats and also the when they select the poorest of the poor local MLAs and MPs. under the IRQP. their names shou.ld be listed in the board so that tbe people SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: Where? should know who they are. It has been madc ,'cey cJ ear. Some States might have SHRI CHANDULAL CHANDRA- done; ~ome States might not have done KAR: I will come to that. that. We have compJaints that some of the States have not been doing it. We In each district, there is a Rural Deve- have been !epeatedly brinling to the lorment Agency in which all the concerned notice of the State Governments' that it is M~mberc; of Parliament are also members the right thing that we should all see that and they are supposed to design the pro- there should be a proper selection of gramme of the districts, implement it beneficiaries. There should be no mistake and also monitor it. But at the same time, on this account. But there havt been com- it is an involvement of a large number of plaints here and there that people have people and the panchayats. As many hon. not been selected properly. We have Menbers have pointed out, there are many also So many times received letters States where ele::tions for panchayats saying that in selections, there have been have not taken place for years. Keeping some deficiencies, this in mind, the Minister for Agriculture aod Rural Deve1opment. Mr. Buta Singh, We are aware of thelie main deficien- about a month back t sent a Jetter to al1 the States saying that wherever the elections cies. to the pancha)lats have not taken place, they may kindly expedite the elections. The dificiencies are;' namely, impro- At the same time. be has also said that per selection of beneficiaries, Jow level we have got Panchayati sY.item and Pan- of investment per family, predominence chayats are there a1) over the country. But of a particular type of investment irres- their financial resources ar: very meagre. pective of capability and willingness of the '. So, in that Jetter, it has been very cate- family to operate that scheme, high failure gorically sa id that the resources of the rate among the beneficiaries to cross the panchayat should be increased so that they poverty line, lack of support from general will be able to participate in various pro- infra-structure to the activities of benefi· grammes for the rural development more ciaries~ weak adiministrative infra-.tructure effectively. In the Sixth Five Year Plan to implem ent the programme, non·;nv.ol· ended on the 31st of March, we have Set vement of beneficiary groups except as the objective of reducing the population recipients of benefits and t lastly. . mal- below the poverty line to less than 10% practices and leakages. by 1994·95. The approach of the Seventh Fiv: Year Plan reiterat es thi~ obj ecti\le. These are some of the deficiencies Our Government"s commitment to this which we are alreadY fully aware of. Now, loa I is firm and irrevocable. There is a after knowing these defidencies, we have will to pursue this programme. definitely to find some !olution. So, we want to make Some cbanaes in the pmeDt You know., th:s proaramme started system of working. One of the chan.. ~with 300 blocks initially. But afterwards, contemplated in the programme would be from 1981, it is beioa implemented in allocation of funds on the basts df' inci- 5092 blocks all over the country. The dence of poverty stnd not at . a fIa(., ,rete . selection of benefiCiaries, i. e. 600 per- per block. Secondly, an additionJ 'dole $Ons in each block is not an easy thioa. of assiftanee would be liVeD to tho , .... There ini&'ht have been some deficiency Ues which were·, i.d~\late)y .• in sele~tioQ. ~ut h ha. boon vety cat .. earlier, lIi., t VAlSAI(Hi\,14. 1901

Thirdly. inadequacy of initial invest. They should also know it. With tbat o&'" .-t rOlul.tiq in inadequate increment.al ;ective in view ..• iDCOmean4,'ultimately. the inability to hobt on tbe asset was one of tbe points l Interruptions) made by lome of the hon. Members. Thorofore, it is proposed to increas e the SHRI eDUARDO FALEIRO. E.,~ quantum of assistance to the new families body in this House supports your pro. to eoabJo thom to earn sufficient incre.- gramme. mental income to cross the poverty line. SHRI GHANDULAL CHANDRA .. KAR : I think you were not there when An jnstitutiona) support was not I said it is District Rural Development available to many beneficiaries during Agencies and all t,he Members of Parli.. the Sixth Plan. We would ensure that ment; a11 MLAs, are Members of that different Departments do come forward and it is there that you should implemcDt to aive the needed institutional backing, to and see to it. Our circulars have gODe aad tbe beneficiaries. A portion of the funds repeatedly it is brought to their notice. meant for IRDP will be set apart to give a balancing infra-structural support. ( Interruptions)

Now, individually the beneficiaries SHRI CHANDULAL CHANDRA.. would find it extremely difficult to contend KAR : No,No. with the market forces. Hence a group venture and collection action will have to SHRI G.S. BASA VARAJ: M.Ps have been involved in NREP and TRDP. be promoted in order to protect the rural poor from the oppression of adverse mar· ket forces. whether on the supply of SHRICHANDULALCHANDRAKAR: input or on the sale of their produce. No, No. We have made it very cate8orical. Letters were sent to various States, not once, not twice but ,three times. Do you Lastly. it is suggested that no pro- know who are the Memb ers of the gramme of soch massive character can DRDA ? Chairman is the Collector. There attain any significant measure of success wiJ] be representatives of the State Govern .. qualitatively without the orgainisational ment, representatives of the Central COope- effort of the potential beneficiaries. It rative Bank and representative of the Land is proposed to organise beneficiaries in Development Block. The Chairman ofZiJa order to create an awareness among them Parishads, the Senior most officers of the and enhance their bargaining power. To lead bark, the General Manager, DIe. the e xtont we succeed in doing it, the will aJso be its represen tatives. Two repre- anclations of leakages and malpractices sentatives of w~aker sections, one of whom would diminish. may be drawn from the Scheduled Cutes and the other from the Scheduled Tribe, Here we know that it is very essential will be there. There will be one represent.. that we should create socia] awareness' ative of rural women, and there will be amona our people. In whichever State Members of Parliament, MLAs and Project there is more awareness, thi. programme Officer. These are the Member of tbe bas been more successful and in some of DRDA. tho States, tho percentap of beneficiaries who bave crossed the poverty line is SO, (Interruptions) 60 or even 65. But there are States where the number of bene6ciari es who I Just I was saying that it is very havo crossed the poverty line is less, essential to create social awareneas amona .30 or 40 %. So, it is very ess'ential that the rural people. There also, I tboulb~'~ fa 1M "'ld, creato awareneta among the very essential to bring this thina to your ._ple of tbeir ' riabts and: tespousibiliti es Dotico. Thaf is why 1 am saying it aDd, if .. _ tbe, can atop tbe malpraotioes . i~ is not provided, we will write apia abo"l1 • r'\ , 39 lhlftlllls lor Gr""" APlU~ 30. 1985 c

[Shri Cbandulal Chandrakar] said, I may say, every Member of ParUa· ment is given tho option of choosing ~c tly. We will certainly write Jetters aaain of the Blocks for his membership in hit to the State Government. constituency. That is how it is function- ing in the Andhra State. Therefore, why PROF. N.O. RANOA: Each Member should the Members be upset 1 I do not should write to respective District Collec- understand this. If they have not been tors. informed, it is our duty to write to the respective CoUectors Rnd ask them why (Interruptions) they have not been invited. SHRICHANDULALCHANDRAKAR: 1 tell you why MP should not be put as AN. HON. MEMBER: When we are Chairman. If you have MP as the Chair- not there at the Block level, how will we man, the meeting will never take place. be invited? A.large number of people will not a ttened (Jllferl'llptioIlS) the meeting. All these things are very PROF. N. O. RANOA: Every Member essential. is given the choice to choose one Block (Interruptions) within his constituency_ ( Interruptions) . I have brought it to your notice. You assert your right. SHRI CHANDULAL CHANDRA. KAR : Now let us proceed further. We SHRI G. S. BASAVARAJ : MPs must have taken a Jot of time on this. (lnterrup· be made the Chairmen of the Develop .. liolls.) ment Committee. Let me tell you that for all the rural .MR. CHAIRMAN _ Hon. Members development activities, the planning is want to know whether MPs will be invol. done by the district and you are a membtr ved in block level committees. not only of IRDP but NREP also; what- ever rural development takes place in the (InterruPtions) district, you are in charge of that, so' that you can look after the district .... (Inter. SHRI CHANDULAL CHANDRA· ruptions) KAR : I can tell you very categorically. J think Mr. Chairman has raised a proper SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: For question which you have in mind. In the NREGP and LREGP, the funds arc at the bJock Jeve], certainly it is not possible: disposal of the Zila Parishad. There are It is in the district level, the whole plann- no separate Boards. But there is one Board ing is done. called integrated rural development agency (lnterruptiom) about which yuu read out. You mentioned about Project Officer and all that. But SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: Chair- they are not calHng the meetings frequent- man is out of question. He cannot be ly. You dfrec,t them tIl call the meetings Chairman. Two Members can contribute frequently- a good deal. , [Translation1 SHRI CHANDULAL CHANDRA· KAR : That is why you are putting in the district level? At Block level, you The meeting should be called at least already know that there are 5,092 blocks • once in three month!" .I am sure most of the Members will [English] never be able to attened the meetings at the Block level ••. (Interruptions) SHRI CHANDULAL CHANDRA- KAR : This is caJ~ed the District 'Rural PROF. N. G. R.ANOA (Guntur): In Development Agency. It looks aftor .• U addition to what the bon. Minjster bas the pr08raDlDles of tho distrj,t. If the , ~, "" t ~ ~~i bema~ds jor Grani, VAISAKHA 10, 1907 (SAKA) (Ge"eral), 198$Jd, j 4~

District Collector is not made the Presi- (Int erruptions) ding Officer •• .( Interruptions) SHRt CHANDULAL CHAND1tA~ AN HON. MEMBER = It is a shame KAR: You are sayiog a v.ery good to el ect ed Members. thing, Mr. Reddy. You are Mr. Reddy yourself, you keep ready, I also remaio SHRI CHANDULAL CHANDRA- som ewha t ready. KAR : If Members of Parliament are made the Chairmen of the DRDA, let me (Interrupt ions) tel) you out of experience, the meetings will not take place for months.' Let thc're SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: This is a be a tlialoglle with the State Government. serious matter, The entire money is going Let us think about it cooJly. Let it not be into the hands of the superv~or. made a question of prestige. We have to implement the programme. That is why, (English] the suggestion hus been made • . • The Supervisor himself draws the SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: You cheaque for the amount and he is giving have done a lot of good work, but more it to th e agen t. Can be done. [TransiatiOl'] SHRI CHANDULAL CHANDRA- KAR : I have covered only one point. SHRI CHANDULAL CHANDRA .. There are many other points also ..( Inter. KAR : You have been nominated as a ruptlons) Member of the District Committee to see that no corruption takes place there. ,SHRI K. V. SHANKARAGOWDA This is the very aim for which you have (Mandya) : 1 he hone Min ister must be been kept on the Committee. given amp1 c time to explain himself. There is so much of confusi on t~ at noth .. [English] ing can be understood. I appeal to the hon. Members to give sufficient time to SHRI AJAY MUSHRAN (JabaJpur): hon. Minist"'r to explain himself. After- The non-congress States are not implemen- wards we maY make our comments. ting tbe 20-Point Programme. That creates a serious problem. SHRI CHANDULAL CHANDRA· KAR : There should be no confusion. [Translationl Clarity should be there. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: Hon. So to create an awareness among the Minister, Sir, the Planning Commission rural people, what we are doing is that people who are running it indulge in we are produc:ng small films of 10 minu- irregulaJities ... Direct payment shot.ld be tes or 15 minutes or 20 minutes duration m~de to the labour. For a work of Rs. depicting the prOgress made in regard to 10, Rs. 30/.. • • (Inter/uptions) NREP, RLEP and IRDP program nes and these films will be taken to the rural areas [Engllsh] by the Field Publicity Officers. There arc Field Publicity Officers-you know-in MR. CHAIRMAN: Please allow the every district. · • Minister to finish his speech. And then you can put your questions. Let us hear (Interruptions) the Minister. [Translation] . [Translation] SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: The entire funds 8~nctioned for the N.R.E.P. and SHRI C. JANOA REDDY: The, fun4s of R.L.E.O.P. ,ate taken away by tho bil the N.R.E.P. and R.L.E.O.P. go il1to the pOoplo. banda of tho bia PeoPle. 111 order to ~ .. 3 Demands lor Granis

(Shri c. 1anga Reddy] t9 the State Government, to whom should we give them.? avoid it, direct payment to tbe labour should be mad e. (Interruptions) (Interruptions) [English) (English] SHRI R. S. MANE: I will request MR. CHAIRMAN: You have staled it the Minister to issue instructions already. Why repeat the same thing? to alJ the Chief Ministers to in- What you have said has been heard by volve the MPs. and Convene the meet· the Minister.' ings henceforth at 1east without any further eJtchange of arguments when it [Translation] is a fact that the Members of Parliamant are not involved in all these. SHRI CHANDULAL CHANDRAKAR : This work is done through tbe State SHRI CHANDULAL CHANDRA- Government machinery. Besides, you can .. KAR: I have brought it to your notice not sa}' that the Central Government that you are a m\!mber. We have sent should implement jt everywhere. What letters three times to the Chief Ministers. can we do if you do not trust th e Stat e Government? The Central Government (Interruptions) are as much responsible as we Lok Sabha Members are. MR. CHAIRMAN: It is not proper to have word by word debate. [English] SHRI CHANDULAL CHANDRAKAR : MR. CHAIRMAN: There cannot be a The main thrust in the Seventh Plan will word for word debate. be to create rural employment through NREP, RLEGP and IRDP with better [Translation] planning, closer monitoring and tighter organisation for effective implementation. 4)HRI C. JANGA REDDY: Sir, we trust the Central Government. as well as We are placing greater . emphasis on the State Government. But, the Planning training of the personnel charged with Commission offieiJa Is are saying there the implementation of these programmes. that the foodgrains should be given Rural Development Programmes require direct to the labour. particular orientation, a level of sensitivity and responsiveness to the problmes of SHRICHANDULALCHAND&AKAR: poverty group which, unfortunately You please have your seat. I shall tell some of our functionaries lack. The phi· you. losophy of poverty all eviation has to be explained alona with the techniques of [English] the project formulation and project implementation and project appraisaJ. MR. CHAIRMAN: Please hear the Therefore, with the NIRD as an apex Minister. body. we are developing th e whole struct .. ure of training institutions by supportina [ Translation] the State level institutes of rural devoloP- ment and by strengthening the extension SHRI C. JANGA R.EDDY : The funds trainina centres in the States. Weare of the N. R. E. P. sho~ld be given trying to develop District Composite direct to the ]abour. R ural Technology Centres, which will be centres of excellence for impartiDI SHRICHANDULALCHANDRAKAR: training to the IRDP beneficiaries and To whom should we give the funds of N. fOCal points for dissemination of .citnQC ~. E. P. ? if we art not to aiv. those funds aDd t cchDo 1011 to dle tural artII. ~j b,,,,.nJs lor. Grants VAI~AK"A i O. i901 (SAXA)

Shri Zainal Abedin rais ed the point and RLEGP. More than 15 million are aboQt West Bengal Land Reforms (Amend· there in IRDP. Manually it becomes rather' ment) Bill, 1981. He said that it waS very difficult to have the data. Lar,e, pending with the Government of India. numb er of data is being conceted from Sir, Gov emment of India have ra ised various districts and States and they con-tO certain legal and other issues in regard to the Centre. This massive data that to some aspect of the Bill and these have we are receiving from various sources been communicated to the State Govern- can hardly be handJed manually. Recently ment. So, the Bill is still pending for we h~ve also been introducing computeri· the assent of the President due to thi~ sation on pilot basis, in a few districts, reaSOD. to find out what type of software would be required to have computerisation on a An hon. Member from Rajasthan, Shri wide scale for monitoring various program- Jujhar Singh raised the point about Rajas- mes and to act as data ~ank. Recently than ceiling laws. Attention of the GOve- ,our Prime Minister, Rajiv Gandhiji has rnment of India has been drawn to the announced one of th e biggest plans. 5 simultaneous existence of two land ceiling million hectar'es must be brought under laws and alleged discrimination in fixing green area. That means tree plantation ceilings differently in various area.s under in 5 million hectares. This is one of the the old ceiling law. A report has been biggest plans that we will have to under- called from the Rajasthan Governmen t take. but we have not so far got the reply. PROF. N.G. RANGA: Hill areas? My friend, Shri Virdhi Chand Jain SHRICHANDULALCHANDRAKAR: from Rajasthan is very much interested This is waste land; to rnakeit bJoom. in the desert development programme. The desert development programme was PROF. N. G. RANGA; VelY well. started in 1977-78 in a Centrally fund- ed progrmme till the end of the Fifth AN HON. MEMBER : In some parts PlaD. From the Sixth Plan the total only? outlay is equally shared by the Centre and the States. SHRICHANDULALCHANDRAKAR: Throughout. With the help and Cooperation The Rajasthan Government has urged of Members of Parliament and the Gram that the Thar Desert should be treated as Panchayats, we will be able to do it in a distinct geojraphical entity Just hk,e every village. We will be having coopera- hill areas and presented a project profile tIOn from State Governments, politicians, of Rs 560 crores for being tully tinanced Memb crs of Par Iiamen t, Admin istrators by the Centre on a 90 per cent grant and and social workers, so that this program- 10 per cent loan basis as for hiB deve- me can be a suc,ess. There are large lopment plans. The matte,r is under number of workers of voluntary agehc ies examinatioO' by the Planning Commission in rural areas. Wt: need the coopera. and the Department of Rural Develop- tion of all. This is really a hu,e work. ment. A decision is yet to be taken on To start with, in NREl} uptii) now we the ,cneral question of Central Schemes were givin, 10 per cent for bOC ial forestry. and Centrally-sponsored Schemes in the 10 per cent of the amount which was aLol- Seventh Plan and the pattern of assistance ted for NREP was allotted for social fores- for them by the National Development try. But now since our Prime Minister has Council. announced this huae prosramme instead of 10 per cent, wo wiH have 20 per cent for so~ial forestry. In RLEGP uptill D'OW " Lar&c number of friends have raised we have not been aJlotin& money tor:; large number of issues but the most impor- forest and areeninl the area. Now it tant tbiog is that we have co do better hal' been decided by our Ministry that 20 monitoring. Larle number of people arc per cent of this amount will 10 for green- involved in this prolramme. 2000 million mlD-da)'s bay. boon ~rca'ed io N&SP ina abo area aDd forest If. That Dleau, APRtL 30 t i~8 5

[Shri Chandulal Chandrakar] go into every detail as to how many about Rs. 200 crOfes will be spent from people are below the poverty Hne and for this year for this greening programme in which sectors we have to allocate more tbe rural areas, covering every village. money so that the people who are livins every block, every district, wherever we below the poverty-line may be brought can do it. This is a massive programme. above the poverty. line. Thank you.

SHRI G. S. BA <)AV ARAJ: Aft er LTranslation] planting of trees they should be protected SHRI S. M. GURADDI (Bijapur): for 3 years by watering etc. Otherwise *Mr. Chairman, I rise to say a few words they wiU not survive. on the Demands for Grants of the Minis. SHRICHANDULALCHANDRAKAR: try of Agriculture and Rural 0 evelop· All Members here are elected Members. ment for 1985·86. I would not oppose Very oiten, they go to the rural areas these Demands. But I would like to be and they know the problem very well. I critical about the claim put forth just by do not want to take the time of the the Hon. Minister of State for Rural Deve- House. lopment. The Minister was talking about Green RevOlution and about the Forestry. AN HON. MEMBER: First, you . He talked about Forestry as if it is a new win have to give protection to the exist- project. Sir, we inherited the legacy of ing trees, at least for three years. Vana Mahotsava from Shri K. M. Munsbi. Every year there used to be Vana Mahot· SHRI CHANDULAL CHANDRAKAR : sava Celebrations. I would have been That is why [ am more concerned about happy if only the Minister had given this. If you plant 100 sapplings, at least Some figures of trees that have grown as 40 will survive if you give them protection. a result of Vaoa Mahotsava. l"his is oot a Therefore, sufficient attention should be new project of this Government. riven for the maintenance of the e.~isting trees also. -We will have to work out Sir, we should be proud of our farmers special protection measures at least for and a(lricultural scientists who have made the next three years. We should first the Green Revolution in OUf country and take care of the existing lre es and their not the Government. \Ve arc self.sufficicnt in maintenance. There is no use of going on foodgrains production speciaily wheat. planting sappliDgs. The most important We need not go with a begging bowl to part is the maintenance of these trees. America for foodgrains as we were doing earlier. We owe our debt of gratitude to Now, Sir, I am very much thankful our farmers who have achieved this feat. to the hon. Members for their valuabJ e Weare producing pI cnty of wheat ragi, suggestions. You have given a lot of sug .. jawar an d other cereals. Unfortunately gestions as to how to imp! ement some of we are compell ed to import oil and Sugar the programmes in the rural areas. Our from abroad. Weare not producing oil . beloved Jate Prime Minister, Shrimati seeds suffici ent enouglt to meet the grow- Indira Gandhi, had started various pro- ing need of edible oil. Sir, 80 % of our gr:lmmes for the rural poor. Our Gave. population lives in rural areas and 7S % rnment is competent enough to remove peop1e are engaged in agriculture. We poverty among the rural people, what- were producing in abundacc sugarcane. ever mi4Y be the percentage at the mom· Because of unremunerative price offered ent. By 1994·~5, it is expected that to sugarcane cultivators, they have cut only 10 % of the people might remain down the cultivat ion of sugarcane. This poor. We do not know what is the has compelled us to import Sugai from number of the poor peopl e below the abroad. This will lead to further drop in poverty line at pr~sent. To know this, sugarcane cultivation. We should offer there is a National Survey Or&ani~ation better prices to sugtlrcanc cultivators and whicb is already lopking into thiS. I think a detailed lurvey report is expected "ery "'The speech was originallY delivered iQ ~. Qnce We ,&~, the report. wo Will l':uDada. VAISAKHA 10, 19.07 (S.4KA)

oth~r incentives 8,lso so that they ~ake to 'has ,to depend on tbe rates fixed by tbe suprcane cultivation seriously, The same AgrIcultural Prices Commi~ljon which 'sitl story is in relation to cotton. The cotton in the airconditioned room' and tries· to cultivator spends Rs. 6000 to Rs. 7000 fix the pri ce 10 of agricultural product •• per acre in irrjgated lands but he is saving NaturaJIy the effort wiU be unrelated to the Rs. SOOO/. only, the net loss is Rs. situation obtaining in rural areas~ The Govt. 2000/.. If it is con tin ued our farmers may ?f Karna.taka ,is taking much interest for &iv. discontinue. 109 housmg sItes and bouse:, to villages and the .urban poor people is investina AnothGr disincentive is land ceiling substantIal money for rural upliftment. law. In rural areas, we have fixed ceiling of S4 acres. But there is nO Sir, we have to give importance 10 ceiling in urban areas. In this way we rural development. We have to change cannot bring about equality between the picture of rural area. The Plight of rural and urban ar ease I will substan. women in rural areal) is still worse. tiate this contention by' saying that the industries get more funds than agriculture. Our Government is prepared to face The Planning Commission is also partial any inquiry what the Karnataka Govt did to industries and other thinss, they pay during 1983-85 has ensured the retufa attention to the manufacture of cars find of Janata Party to power in the recent other luxurious thinp,s. But they don't have eJections. The Karnataka Govern'ment had any plans for our villages. They have not provided drinking water facilities to even planned to provide drinking water villages. The State Govt. is investing cro .. available to a1l1he villapcs in India. In res of rupees for the rural development our villages there are no basic amenities programme. The people in rural areas are like drinking water, housing, educational to be involved in the development of' the facilities, medical facilities. The viIJages viIJllges. For everything pcopJe)s participa- are in the same primitive state as they tion is a must. were 30 years ago. We have to plan for the upliftment of the peasants and the [English] rural people. The Minister referred to I.R.D.P.~ N .R.E.F. Schemes. These Sche- SHRI S. B. SIDNAL (Bclgaum) : I rise mes have not rescued the rural poor from to support these Demands for Grants srowing poverty. These schemes have not of the Ministry of Agriculture. I congra- made any impact on the rural econom;'. tulate Ollr late Prime Minister, Shrimati Poverty has gone up by leaps and boundS Indira Gandhi, our scientists and farmers in rural areas. We have not uplifted the for having given us a lot of impetus in people above the poverty line. There is the production of agricultural goods; but something radically wrong jn the imple- for t hat, nothing would have been mentation of these schemes. The Mid- done. term Appraisal of VI Five Year Plan refers to the deficiencies in the implementation If we survey our past, before 1947 t of these schemes. I suggest that an indepen- we will find that w.e were having 3 S to dent organis1.tion should be set up in 40 crore of population and we were be. rural for ensuring effective and expeditious ginning actually with the production of implementation of these scheme!-1. SO million tonnes. Today, we are happy to know-it is a record in our history- Karnataka Government passed the that we are exporting wheat to the foreign countries. This is only because of the Panchayati Raj Bill and sent it to the ap· proval of the centre. The centre has stiJI late Prime Minister, Shrimati Indira not yet given its con~ent. The Karnataka Ghandhi and before tbat JawaharJalji who infrastructure for a~ricultlJre like Government is keen to invoke the enthu- laid the siasm and effective participation of these making big projects of irrigation and schemes, then only the schemes will yield otb er sci entific researches. beneficial results. The industrialist sells hil produce at the rate fixed by him where- First, I would like to lay stress on •• tbe,all'iculturist bas DQ choice but he the allied professions to aariculturc wbon . APRIL 30. 1985

[Sbri S. B. Sidna 1] 1 request the hon. Minister to live an opportunity to the agriculturists, Md· they had not been taken so much serious try to provide diplomas, degrees and 'and important-I do not . say neglected. other education f01 agriculture. We hardly The alJied professions are dairy, poultry have any people trained in agriculture •.• farming, pigger}, bee keeping, sericulture and other things, because the dry farming For example Jet us take afforestation. area is very poor and production is very There is programme, we spend mone, poor also. Therefore, i~ order to substi· every year, but there is no development. tute the work to the farming area, dry What is the use of giving lot of money to we have already introduced these schemes, local agencies which they do not spend? but they are not successfully carried We conduct Vanamahots8vas, every year. out; they have not gone to the real We used to plant a tree in the same pit ! people through IRDP, NREP, NABARD It is a shame. We have to improve the and other things. Just now, there was programme. We shouJd plant trees and a hot discussion between the Minister undertake the programme in every State, and the other members. Actually the De- every district, every block. We have to puty Commissioner or the State Governt~ improve our forest wealth. We have not ments, whosoever may be, who are no- utilised it properly so far. It is a shame. really involving public as they should have done. I da not feel happy about it. I congratulate the present Prime Some of the bureaucrats are doing it without involving elected members, either he may Minister Shri Rnjiv Gandhi for his dynamic idea of making a green ery everywhere. My be a panchayat member. whosoever he fr iend just now said that it is a good idea. may be. It is very regrettable, because Every problem, every' issue, and every they are part and parcel of this country, policy has to b{' reviewed and we should they are our own brothers. They should not behave this way. 1 request the hon. Mini, provide the requisite education. We should not look at everything as a simp] e issue. ster to train them properly so that they ( Interrupti(Jns) are also partners in the prog~ess of this country. Therefore, I request the Government of India to open agricultural diplomas and Secondly education in the field of agri- engineering colleges, high schools in each culture is very poor. We have given help to of the blocks to facilitate the agriculturists, poor, small, marginal, farmers, SC/ST far- to educate them. to produce more. Other- mers. We are giving still; and we will con· wise whatever we do they are not able 'to tinue to giv~. But th e education in th is fi eld make use of. And every day we' find is not proportionate . to the people e,mplo. instances about the farmers' illiteracy. yed in a&riculture. It is not in propor .. Therefore, without proPer education to our tion to the population we have, it is not agriculturists, we cannot progress. in proportion to the dependants we have on agriculture. What is the education Another exampJe I can cite is irriga- we give? Hardly there are 23 agricultural tion. How do they irrigate 1 Lot of univer~ties when there are 80 per cent water is wasted everyday. Nothing can be of the people depending on agriculture. don e for it. The consumer does not get Especially in Kamataka we have only one the water. But enough attention is not agricultural college and seven other paid for wat er conservation also. colleges; 30 medical t colleges, one hundred engineering colleges, thousands We know what they did in Israel. of other technical colleges are there There. whatever things are available have in the country but where is the education to be organised throughout the country and for agriculture? How can we make use of distributed properly. They have made the pesticides, .of the inputs, and how . underground sprayers onl, to the roots and can we undentand them? The farmer the water is sprayed. They have more has to become a scientist and the land markets than us also. Therefore, we haw has to become a laboratory. Then only to take very seriously the problem 0' th e f;ountr1 can flour iq. 8Iricultural education. We Q&\DIlot)tab ii, 3$ 3 b,mmuls lor Grants vAlSA1HA 10, 1907 (SAU) (Gentral)t 198'.86 354 easl1y. We have to discuss very thoroughly Goverrment should provide them at 00. and we have to implement the programmes cessionaJ rates. Besides they should be speedily. Many of the bureaucrats, I think, tax' free. There should be a society to do not pursue the 20.point programme. 1end loans to them at cheap rates and they Ther,e wa~ a meeting when from an 'over ~hould be given other concessions and the country people came, half a day was incentives as are given to the industriet~ spent. But nothing much was achieved. Only through fhis process we can 'enable Eve~ two days or a week are insufficient to them to mak e usc of these tractors and discuss the progrnmmes. We hav,e to machineri es. devote more tim e in future. There are development banks \,,,bie1t provide Joans for digging There I do appreciate our Minister for he wens. ia a rule for submission of periodical progress want s to creJ.t e a social awareneSS among reports to be shown to the BanKS, with the the people. Un1css they receive some- result they have to parade before the thing unless the progrnmmes benefiting t bankers. This is a time consuming pro- them arc implemented properly, hC'w can cc~s and it affects their production. There- we create social awareness? The poor fore, my suggestion is that the Govern- people nrc hungry; they are illiterate and ment should appoint a committee of Ufe demanding everything from the Govern- engineers to identify the areas where water ment. How far it is going to take to meet is available. Another organisa~jon should their demand!'. when the implementation dig either an open well or a bore well or side is bad? ] feel very bad when 1 find a tube· well looking to the feasibiJity and many of the 20.point programmes nre just des irability of the alt ernative. They ~hould brushed aside nnd they are not implemented call tl~e Tehsildar of the area or any other by some of the Governments like in Karna- concerned authority and have an attachment taka and in \Vest Beng:i 1. They are just of thnt land and dip the well. If I get criticisinr. what cv('r prcgramme we formu- water today, I wiIJ have my production late without having any programme of their from tomorrow. Therefore, every drop of own. Mere vidory in elections is not water should be utilised for production. enough. They should have some programme or in the alternatlve thl!Y should follow Now, I come to the bio-gas scheme. our programme to invo:ve each one. It is Its progress is very slow. With the the development of the country and the bio-gas plant we not only save fuel, but society ; it is not party or politics. I also Slve the forest; Then the health of request the other side people not to mix up the cooking woman is also improved. polities or anything In the development Besides it provides sufficient gobar manure programme. We rou t tl}.ank Shrimati as a biproduct. Indira Gandhi for having given us the 20-point progra mOle. I t was her concept nnd it was her dream that each onc, how .. I am ur.ing three gobae gas plants in soever poor one may be belongs to the my own house and they produce indigenous country. His condition ha~ to be improved manure which will help to last three years thr.mgh the 20-point pf(lgramme. a'\ against the artificial manures like ferti- lisers which last for only one year. When Regarding tractors and Machinery, we make it indigenous, it IS very useful may pO.11t out that you have cnacted the profitable. I thank the Go~crnment and land ceiling laws. And with the increase I congratulate the planners for they have in population there is als~) fragmentation given a concession and still concession is of holJings. Of course, the farmers want required for the sm~1J and marginal farmers to employ tractors and machinery in their to help themselves. fields to improve their agricultural produc- tion, but the farmers having ten to fifteen My la~t point is resarding afforestation. 'hectares of land can till afford these CQstly Afforest~tJon has been done and I thank implements. A tractor costs about half a ?ur Pn?Ie Minister for havin~ taken lakh of rupees. Therefore, the . poor interest In making 500 million Bcres areen faImer cannot make use of them. To and spending money over it. Here tbe c'nable them to make use of them tbe Forest Departmenf has to be made· ipt(., 355 Dema"ds for Graftts APl\IL 30, 1985 CGene,al), 198'.86 356

[Shri S. B. Sidn~l] industries in the producing State 'should be emphasised. Alternatively where alfOe tllree div'sions-one exclusively for plan- based industries are set up, the re1evant tation, one for maintenance and one for crop has to be grown in the hinterland felling trees and administration. For this and should not have to be transported over purpose special recruitment has to be made thousands of miles. Examples of how at the block level and hordculture has to cotton is bought from Gujarat for spinninl be promoted systematically on commercial mills of Orissa and how oilse eds grown in lines with ~pecial training to agriculturists Orissa go out to other States for crushlnl and others to spre'\d the culture of horti- and extraction ("an be given. culture in this country,' which wiJl solve half of the food problem in the country. Agricultural research should focus au r SHRfMAT[ JAY ANTI PATNAIK actual local requirement. For example a (Cuttack) : Sir. I risc to support the suitable high yielding, quickly naturing Demands for Grants of the Agriculture flood and salinity.resistant variety of paddy Ministry. is yet to be evolved for the saline, wasteful tracts of Orissa when wat er-)ogging and Remrlrkable breakthrough in airicu]· salinity is often quickly followed by ture has come about. There has been an drought conditions. increase in agriculture sector from subsis- tence farming loa commercial one 1eading to self·reliance in food-grains production Sir, price of basic foodgra ins like rioe and wheat has or which rose from 51 million tonnes in remained more Icss stable whereas prices of all olher commodi- 1950-51 to 151.5 million tonnes in ties including agricultural have in- 1983-84. The target of foodgrain produc- inputs tion in the Seventh Plan is likely to reach . creased considerab1y. The producer has 18S million tonnes. practically got nothing more than what he was getting a decade back: Whatever An annual growth rate target of little rise has been there, that is covered 4 per cent for the agricultural sector as a by the middle man. The whole policy of whole and 5 per cent for the foodgrain agricultural pricing needs reassessment. segment has been proposed for the Seventh I would 1ike to say about the other crops, Plan period .. Viewed in the context of the specially pulses, edible oil, sugarcane and establishe~ growth rate of 2.6 per cent cotton. These crops specialry depend per annum in agriculture over the past on the monsoon. India's record has been 35 y ear~, the growth targets proposed for erratic and the growth rate is unflattering. the next Plan are very amb~itious and it is Excessive reliance on rain·fed cultivution indeed a H erculian task. Sir. for this at on the part of the farmers and the rroJuc- least we must see that ~pecial attention is tance of farmers, except in a few States, paid to the low productivity areas like the to use modern tools and techniques of Eastern lone which has been neglected for agriculture have meant that the counhy a long time because there are vast areas could nrver be .:~ure of an adequate supply which are not being included to reap the of these basic articles. SOt our strategy fruits of Green Revolution. The intensive should be such that it helps the production rice cultivation programme has to be of such crops, extended to all the blocks by 1990. I would like to say a word about fishe- . Another thing is that yield ratcs 01' ries because fishery brings economy to the small and ma~ginal farmers continue to whole of our country. India is one of the lag behind. Since (he bulk of the total major producers of fish in ttie world, and cultivated area is operated by small and the second largest producer of fish in tho marginal farmers, improvement in tbe inland sector in the world. Orissa has productivity of small holdinss is crucial for vast potential and we must say that so far. further increase in the overall productioll. no fishing harbour has been set up, despjte so many times repeatedly demanded in thi' I have to aay another tbins that com- House for a fishing barbour at Par&deep. prellensive prOlramme for 8lfo·proccssio8 . '. . ~...... ~ a~sur~n~c ~~s bee~ ~iven in tb~ ~lf ~!1 Demands lor Orantl «(;eneral), i98j.86 33t

House that the fishing harbour will be set the beneficiary himselr.. Details of up. But quite a lon~· time passed. The ,.assistance provided should be cole ed in selection of the site, I um told, is finalised. this book from time to time. All 1hc con- I urge upon the Government that the fhh- cerned agencies should be gi\.en this book ing harbour at Paradeep should be set So as to watch the progress of the b~'ncfi· up and work should start immediutcJy. ciary from stage to stage.

I am coming to the rural development Such a watch is to be kept tjJJ the programme. I am giving some points beneficiaries take up the scheme. also. In the implementation of rural deve- lopment programme and anti-poverty pro- Sometimes the card is not given and, gramme. subsidies should be total1y abolish- even if the card is given, still no enlries of ed. It) eads to abuse and corruption. additional production, income, employment, Interest free Joan apd writing off a portion problems of dc'Vclopment, problems of of the loan for prompt repayment is the smooth impiementation of the s!.:hcme, answer. The entire process of rural training, etc. have not been included. development needs fresh assessment. Government agencies cannot do much. Association of peopJe and voluntary agen- Lastly, I must say that for the develop- cies needs emphasis. Rural development ment of women and children in the rural work requires different motivation and areas, a new scheme was launch cd on a training. All officers like B.D.Os. and pilot basis in 50 selected backward districts ext ens ion offic ers should und ergo at I east as a component of the IRDP. I would one year rural development tra ining for urge upon the hone Minist er to see that it which facilities have to be created in every is extcnded to more districts and there State. should be a higher allocation for it in the Seventh Plan.

Again, 1 have already mentioned this With these word, I support the Demands item about the women's welfare in the Women's Decade. Of course, under rule for Grants relating to the Ministry of Aari· J 93 also, when the discussion took place culture and Rural Development. last week, it was emphasised. When we create assets under the JRDP, those assets SHRI G. L. DOGRA (Udhampur): should be joint)} in the name of husband Mr. Chairman, Sir, I thank you fur caJlins and wife to ensure that menfolk do not me at least at this hour of the day. I squander away the assets. would have wished the Minister in-charae was present here because I have to made Regarding the loan programme, the certain request~ to him. One is not sure banks must improve their infrastructure. whether the things will be properly re- One officer, one or two clerks and two peons ported to him or not. I am sorry, he is in a rural branch cannot handle all the not here. anti-poverty programmes in the locality. SOt follow-up and recovery will naturally The first thing that I would like to lay improve if the infrastructure is strengthened. is that Jammu division of my State is com- Otherwise, the banking structute would pletely under famine. There is total crop face people's anger and also financial failure; there is no fodder and there is no crisis. drinkina water. That part of our Slate or that part of our country deserves attention Sir, a more detailed monitoring pro- of the Aariculture Minister and his Ministry gramme is called for. It should be done and some steps must be immediately taken, in respect of each sel ected beneficiary. whether it is food for work or somethina For this purpose identjfication·cum·moni- like that, so that 'tbe peopl e <.;an be saved toring card has been devised. The infor- from the disaster that they are likely to mation should be collected for each seJect- fac'C. Already, tho) have started feelina ICl beneficiary and one copy should be with the pinch of famine. 359 Demands lor Grants APtut 30, 198~ (denera/), 1~8J.86 '. j6G

[Shri G. L. Dogra) we have to be sc.lf.. sufficient in foodgrains. So. naturally, the Government of Indja has Another point that I woald ltke to make taken very good st ~ps to see that we pro- ~bout th~ cooperative". Cuoperation is ;1) gress in agriculture. Vast parts of our V~~ y imp -rtant for the development of country have agricu~tural land which con. Without he:l1thy cooperatives, (igriculture. sists of either dry land or hilly area or one India cannot progre.;;s both in the field of crop area. We have got to see that even agriculture and industry. But so far as development eff()J t goes to this land a Iso. the cooperatives arc concerned, these are Along with this, wc have got to see that full of vested int crests and corrupt ele- the marginal farmers and ~maIl farmers and ments. The Agriculture Minister has to the agricultural labour also benefit. We take special steps to get rid of tht'se ve8ted have to pay speci;t} at ten lion towards. them; interests and corrupt elements. Unless he Our technology is not helping them. It is doe,s that, he will not be doing justice to the rich farmer who is g.,ining from the his Ministry or his job which he has been cooperatives. Even agricuittlral cJedit is ~~n. . also helping the I'UI aJ rich fHIDer. But ·the marpinal farmers and the smalJ farmers There is tbe ivlulti-State Cooperative and agricultural labour ar~ not benefiting Societies Act which was passed by the Jast from it. Unless the universities and the Parliament at the initiative of his precfe- colleges which are carrying on research cessor, Rao Birendra Singh. That i~ a devote their attention to solving the problems very important Act. It was imtilediatcly of the poor sections of society, the proir to be enforced. The rules were prepared lems of those arcus of the country which by the Central Registrar of Cooperatives. are economic..1.lly backward, the problems They were cleared by the Additional Secre- of those areas wh ere agriculture does not tary, Mr. Kohli, who was a very sympathe- prosper because tht.:y arc dependent on tic and competent officer. But certain rains and the probl ems of the hil1y areas people in his Ministry under the influence where the holdings are very sma)], we wil1 of vested int crests are sitting tight over the n(ll be able to make a balan...:ed develop- Act. They are not applying it. They say ment. When we .lre ignoring even develop- that the rules have not been prepared. The mcnt in eVCIY st:ctiun of life, there is going rules are ready. But somehow or other, to be a clash between U.e it is being delayed. 1. must ~ay that it is backward areas and the ai eas which!;o on not very nCCCSS;:llY to apply the Act only developing. We have to develop the back- when the rules arc prepared. The' Delhi ward areas at any cost. Otherwise, only Cooperatives Act was enforced first and the the rich farmer will benefit and not the rules were made afterwards. I do not small farmer. The Ministry of Agriculture think it is very necessary to first prepare has got to see to this. Unless we see to the rules and then ~nforcc the Act. This this, we will not be able to keep tbe peoDle is a very important Act. I would request happy and contented. the hon. Minister to s(.'c that the Act is enforced. Rao Birclldra Singh does not Agronomers are nol playing their part come from as much a backward section of properly. They are not advising small and society or an oppressed scctiO;l of society marginal farmers on what they should as our present Minister comes from. I produce. Unless they pay attention to wonder why he is not taking as much in .. animal husbandry, horticulture and other terest as he should have taken to enforce things, the farmers cannot supplement their the Act. He should do lhut. income to maintain themselves. There is nobody to guide the fanners at p: csent. Coming to agriculture, agt iculture has progressed a lot. It is because we have I support the suggestion made by my Agrh.. u:tural Univcnities and Agricultural friend that there should be an agricultural Collegc~. So far only the fertile areas course in every rural High School in the have progress, only the areas which are country& irrigated have progress and only the, areas where progrchs could be made have pro .. I would like to say that as far as alro- Iressed. That is very necessary because industries are concerned, attention should 361 bemands lar (iranls 'V AISAKHA 1(), 1~()7 (SAKA) (General), lHSJ~ 362 be paid to them. For p~'ovidjng balanced Sir, earlier the Government had fried rliet to the peo(lJe of Ol!r country, W',~ have to fight poverty by taking up Land Reforms to educate the farmer 10 produce things like and employment for all programmes. But soyabcan. The cat~J c shOll1u be g:vl'n good these programmes have also failed mise- f{)dder. We have a !SI) to see to the soil rably. In order to hidl.! the failure, now testing and all the needs of the soil should the Government have come up with a be met. The farmer ShOll ld be given the new theory that increa sed production guidance on what can be produc~d on the wou Id remove the poverty. It is also false. soil. J know that when Punjab was parti. Our Hon. Minister Shri Duta Singh comes tioned~ there was saline soil in East Punjab. from Punjab which is known for its agri .. Sardar Pratap Singh Kairon asked 1hc far. cultural production. That very states mers to produce paddy on that soil '~lnd proves how erroneous this new theory is. within a few ~ears, that soil became normal Even when the production goes up, tbe soil and we had bumper crop of pa.ddy poverty does not dIsappear. In 1963·64, in the meanwhil e. Therefore, jf scicn!ists the production of foodgrains was about devote their time, they would see that with 346 Kgs per head and the percentage of the present conditionl', a particular soil populatjon whi;h remained below the line can produce particular cropS, and it will was 39. In 1904.65, the production was also supplement tho,e ingredients which the about 422 Kgs per head while the percen- soil requires for producing other tage of the population which remained crops. below the poverty lin ~ went up to 49. It shows clearly that the rise in produ- One more thing. So far as genes are ction will not] ead to faIl in the incidence con=erned, it is a very important thing; of poverty. That is why I say Sir, tho it will rev olulionize agriculture; it will Government hav~ failed miserably in its also give us a key to use the biological fight against poverty. The prjces of essen .. resource,;; of nitrogen; and it wiJI also tial commod it ies are shooting up. The help us in producing disease-free strains. burden of taxes IS becoming unbearable. Therefore, atlention should be given to Farmers are not gcttil g • remunerative this; our research shoLlld be directed to prices for their produce. We are in chao- this end. tic condition in every sphere of life. The result is that the incidence of poverty With these remarks, I cuncll~dc. is on the increase. It also reflects the total failure of the Government to combat l Trallslation I it. Many of the farmers are turning out to be landless labourers slowly. Though SHRI B.N. REDDY (Mirualguda) Mr. there are programmes like IRDP, they Chairman, Sir, Poverty is the biggest are not being carried out bystematica))y. social challenge that the country is facing The number of households in RuraJ India today. The progress of lhe country depends was 90.77 millions in 1981. During tbe upon the emancipation of the poor. The Sixth rlall IRDP could have touched poverty has got to be wiped out if we between 1 S.S and 16 million rural house- want to see a prosperous rural India. holds. The performance of the Govern- Rural develop must be centred around the ment has not been that much impressive. sole aim of eradicating poverty. The According to Jaipur Study Survey, only name of this Ministry itself is Agriculture 18 % of the loan recipients could go and Rural DeveJopment. Sir, In our country above poverty line. If reCipient's loan re- more than 50 %of thc population 1S liv- paynH:nt is aJjustcd, again' this propor- ing below the poverty line. In National tion of the income would go down consi- Sample Survey indicates It. It is clear derably. To put it in a nutShell. entire that when more than 50 % of the popula- programme of lRDP'is a flop. Otber pro. tion is below the poverty line, all the grammess also, hardly met with any suc- attempts made by the Government to eradi- cess. The rural indebtedness is spreadina cate poverty have failed so far. its tentacles. According to t,be Govern- ment, 40 % of the credit requirements *Thc speech was orilinally delivered in are still met by mone)' lenders. It meant Teluau. that tV,en today 60% of our poopl. AP1IL ~(), t 985 (General), lNlJ6 ~64

rShri B. N. Neddy] its ,conC\tructtr,n ha~ ~o"e up by nearly Rs 400 Crores. Sir, this should not 8, e' depending on the blood sucking happen in the case of ot her project s. money lel'dus. In ] 950-51 the rural in- debtcdJ'e~s was around Rs., 750 Cro'es but today it is as high as Rs. 13,750 Sir, I conclude by thanking you for Crores. giving me this opportunity.

Sir, Our farmers are not g~tting re- SHRJ BHARAT SINGH (Outer Delhi): munerative prices for their produce. The Mr. Chairman, Sir. I risc to support the Tobacco Board has fixed th c ra te of Demands fo~ Grants of the Ministry of tobacco at Rs. 1 A 75 per tonne, but actu- Agriculture and Rural Development. All ally the farmers are gelling only Rs. 700 th.: hon. Members have spoken on agricul- to 1,000 Rupees I>er tonn e. The price of ture. 80 per cent of the peopl c of the Cotton has also fallen down sharply. As coun1ry live in viJiages and earn their against one lakh and 47 thousand tonne~ livelihood from agriculture. Agricultural last year, This year's ~~roductio'l is on 1y product ion has Increased continuously over 97,000 tonnes. Government have failed mise- the years and a lot of development has rably to provide markct facil,ti eS for this tak en place in the "Wages un&er tbe quantit~ of product ion also. It shows how 20-Point Programme. First of all, banks lethargic the Government is. ' were nationalised and thereafter the farmers installed (ube-we)Js and purchas,d tractors Sir, it appears that the Government do which led to a tremendous increase in not know how much surplus land is a~aila­ production. The production of foodgrains ble for distribution. Some times they say WdS increased throughout the country by that it is 6 crores of acr es nnd som e making available quality seeds, better other times they say that it is only 60 fert i1izers and means of irrigations. What lakhs 0 acres. Now the position is such J want to say is that with the increase in that the Government have no idea at all production, which was accomplished by the about the land to be acquin:d and made farmers b) taking loans and by putt ing available for distribution. No mention their hard labou" the prices of foodgra ins was made about this important point 1D declined simultaneously. The prices of this Budget. Sir t 40 % of the owners the foodgrains are not that high, they are have ill their possession onc third of the rather very low. But, at the same time, I cultivable land. It is an irony of fate that want to say that the prices of agricultural whit e millions of our farmers work hard implements should also be rcduce~, so that day and ni~ht to produce more, they re- the farmers may not feel that the price of main landl ess arid those who do not know their produce is low whereas the prices of anything about agri~ulture enjoy the own- the implements are so high. Tube·we)]s, ership of the land. tractors, machin es etc. should be made available to the farmers at lower pric= and Sir, before I conclude, I want to lower electricity rates should be charged make some suggestions to the Government from them. for implementation. The radical land reforms have to he implemented. All the The farmer increases his farm produc· unemr,luycd, both educated and unedu- tion, but when he goes to the market with cated should be provided with work. his produce, he gets a low price for that. Government must provide irngalion faci· The foodgrains today' are available at lities. Sir, i~ this coonectio'l, I want 10 per cent less price than that fixed by to say that Telugu-Ganga Project Government in the Narela and Najafgarh has not been giv:1l a green signa) So 11".arkct~ of Delhi. The traders are buyinS far. The centrc should atunce sanct ioned at Rs. 140/- per quintal and selling it to this scheme. Prl.1jects have to be com- the Government agencies at a higbtr rate. 'pI el-cd in time. With the delay the cost What { mean h that wherever there aIe' of' construction also goes up. The comple- markets, Government should oteO pur.. tion of Pochampad Project was delayed chase centres so that the farmers let at fOl' 20 years, with the result the cost of least the price fixed by Government. . 36S Dtmands lor Grants VAISAKHA 10,-1907 (SA Kif) (General). 198$.86 3~'

There is a Agriculture '.roduce Market- interest and several otber facilities. 1 ina Committee in every market which has would like these facilHie~ to be extended accumulated enough funds from the produce to those farmerq also who own two hectares of th'e farmers. I would like that these of 'and. The limit for giving these facili· funds be utilised for the welfare of the ties should be raised to two hectares 10 farmers. For instance, when wheat is that the poor farmer of Delhi may lead a infested with disease then these funds better life. They viJlages here should be should be used to check its spread by provided with drinking wnter and transport supplying insect icides. facilities so that the rural 1'00( realise that Government are paying attention to them. You say that there has been a bumper crop, that is true. It oft en happens that I thank the hon. Minister once again the land which yields more. is acquired and for presenUng a good Budget as it would utilised for other purposes. You propose make our farmers more prosperous. to construct drain which will pass through fourteen vitJages of DeJh i and it would be SHRT LACHCHI RAM (lalaun) 800 feet deep. are wide and 40 feet You Mr. Chairman. Sir, I am grateful to you construct ing it from Jheel towards the that' you have given me an opportunity to higher level thereby not allowing the speak. I represe'1t fjve se~ments of my for on farmers to utilize water irrigation Parliamentary Constituency and a lthough I the other side. The farmers would be would get only one minute to speak about badly affected by this drain; our villages each of these areas vet I would try my best would be ruined and the yidd would come to do so. down. YOll are spending crores of rupees on this project. We want that the work Our frit'nds have expressed their happi· on this drain should be discontinued and ness over the increase in foodgrains the funds utilized for the development of production rchieved by our fnrmers and the agriculture. fact that we have hccome self-sufficient. All our friends have agreed that agricul. The farmer has incr~ased the food- ture is the base for the economic progress prOdlJct ion by hard WOi k and the ~wcat of of our country. They have referred to the his brow. I take this opportunity to thank n1mes of two countries in particular where our scientists who have developed quality only 12 per cent or-the total population is seeds, fertilizers and means of irrigation. engaged in agrictllture and they are able to It is unfortu'1ate that When the farmer feed the whole country and export it too returns back home after the day's hard whereas 80 per cent of our population is labour, able to weB he is not sleep due to engaged in agriculture and on:y then have the mrnace of mosquitoes which has we been able to become self.sufticient. resu:ted in the spread of malaria. I would Therefore, I would like to subm it that as like that Government shou!d pay attention :lgriculture is the hase for our country's to it and prevent the sprt'ad of Malaria in economic progress, there is need to pay th~ vi llages. more attention to iI, so Ihat Ihe Jot of the 80 pef cent of the people may improve• . Under the 20-pojnt programme, the We have before U~ the example of Punjab 'Gram Panchayats' in Delhi distributed where through the Grecn Revolution, the one acre of land free to the landless. production of foodgrains has incrC"ased Government provided tube·wens on those manifold. The Jot of the people there has laDds which helped these peor pe'~p)e to improved considerably lind. similarly, if produce enough, at leas~ for a year, for the programme is unde. taken in other parts their own consumption. This action on of the country as well and they llre given the part of Government is hiahly commen· the same facilities then the production can dable. increase nnd their economic condition can improve. You have provided various facilities in the villaacs to those who own one hectare I have been elected from the Burdel .. khand area. We have fertile land in l,ur 9r l'lld~ They are ~ven ~r~~s, rebate ~n ~ ., . ., , .,' . ~~1 Dimands lor Gr"nts APRIL 30, t 985 (Genera!), 198$.86 368

[Shri Lachchi Ram] although I ~m inclined to make an ana]y- tical speech. . I wi1l give some points and area which can produce more, but due to suggestions for the kind consideration of the sc9.rcity of water the land does not the hon. Minister. yield foodgrains to the desired extent. I would like to give you some figures. We do not have any big leader from our district The agriculturiSts always feel that they who could bave provided us with the are not getting proper remunerative prices means of irrigation. There are eight rivers for their agricultural produce. Therefore in our district but still our condition is this matter should be given a fresh Jook. miserable. I would like t.o point out that The Agricultural Prices Commission should the area under irrigation in Meerut~ have representatives from the farming com- Muzafi"arnagar, Azam~arh and Mathura in munity as its members. Another reason U.P. is 63 per cent, 54 per cent, 41 per cent of their discontent is tbat when there is and 37 per cent respectively" whereas in land ceiling Jaw at force a11 over the JaJaun where 8 rivers flow, it is only 22 per- Country we are yet to have urban proper1y cent. Similarly, the area under doubl e cropp- ceiling law. I would say that tod3y in the ing in Meerut is 39 per cent. in Muzaff'arna- field of production there is some challenge. gar 31 per cent, in Azurogarh 25 per cent and And this is particularly from eastern India. in' Mathura 20 per cent but in .. alaun it is In east ern India prcductivity not going up. only 8 per cent. The ground water level It is lagging behind the Of her advanced is so low in our district that the tube.wells areas of the country in the field of produc- do not function properly. Therefore lif' tion. I am referring to castern area~ like irrigation should be provided there which Orissa, West Bcnga 1, Assam ~ Bi har, etc. can be helpful in irrigation. There should be an endeavour to see how the per"acr e product ion can go up, of About industri es, 1 would like to say course, without much increase in cultiva. that our hon. Minister of Stat e had :>poken tion cost. If cultivation cost a1so goes up at Iength about the bio-gas and Gobar-gas- along with production then it will not be run industries at the village level at economical and it wiIJ not be beneficial to "Bhart Iya Gyao.vardhan Sanstha". If that the producers .• So, the need of the hour is provided our youn~men can get employ- is to raise production and inclease per-acre ment. productivity, without substantial increase in the cost of production. [Eng/ish 1 SHRI SRrBALLAV PANIGRAHI Otherwise the ~ituation will fast ( Deogarh ): Mr. Chairm tn Sir, I am deteriorate and it is gett iog WOfbC day by thankful to you for the 'op~ortunity to day. As you know, there is a report in speak on the D.;m:lnds of the Agriculture the n~\\Ispapel's that the situatien is ahll m- Ministry. jng, particularly with regard 10 drinking water supply. Sir, there is an acute While supporting the d:.:mancts of this shortage of drinking Water in Ori&sa. There Ministry I congratulate the farmers and hus been a denth toll of 50 chiJdr .·n due to agriculturists of t his co ,mtry who e work gastro-cnteritis and some slIch difeasc is really commendab e. They arc faCing aril'>ing out of scarcity of wat cr. Sir, I all vagaries of nature; in spite of this they would requl'st through you the hon. are regularly prodllcing more and more. Mlflister to send a team to Orissa imme- diately and also sush necessary heJp. Unless Everyone in tbis House wiH agree with the Cent rc comes to the rescue of this poor me that the agricuituris ts whose contribu- state in a big way without delay, I am tion is laudable feci neglected. It should afra id the situat j on may ~o beyond control. be the endeavour of the GOvernment to see that this feeling of neglect from the minds of the credit voters Who are the back.bone Sir. the Gov'ernment and the coopera.- of tbe country disappears as quickly as tive institutions t:le Suppo~ed to' be ideal I possible in the interest of the country. As financiers so fur as agricultural proarammes I time is 'qort I will not make a )ons speech are concerned. But I am e)ttremeJy Sorry to obscrve.tbat the princjple of D~mdupaJ whicb apply to the private Illoney-l"endera I admit that increase in the pri ces of are .not applioable to the ,cooperativo agricultural produce would adversely institutions, under this provision, now the affect the consumers, Harijalls and the private money-lenders cannot double their poor. But this problem could be solved principal and interest taken together what- by Government by strengthening the ever the Ienlth of loan period may be. Public Distribution system and by supp]y· But it is' quite unreasonabl e and unjusti. in, wheat, rice, pu '~es and sugar to the fiable for tbe cooperatives not to follow poor consumers at subsidised rates. Justice this rule. ' demands that the prices of the agricultural produce should be fixed keeping in view Sir, to help farm,ers. crop insurance the prices of agricultural inputs and farm poHc), sb~uld be made applicable through. implements like tractors tube-weI Is. Certi· out the cO\lntry without further dalay and Jizers etc., because the farmers have to far,sers' pasport system should be iotro- purchase all tbese equipments afters sellin, duced giviQ& relevant particulars in it. tbeir agricultural produce. Necessary steps should be taken to supply inputs and provide financial help to tbe Secondly, I would like to say tha~ cultivators at their door-steps. With all loans should be made available to farmers this done, the farmers will feel encouraged at low interest so that they could repay to produce more and strenatben the the loan in time. Th esc days the condi tions Datjon~ economy which will be further of farmer is very pitiable. Previously he ItrcDatb encd. was always under debt to the money·lender and now he is unabJe to bear the burden of the indebtedness to Banks. Eiahty per ceot [ Translation] of the farmers in Haryana are in debt a8 they have taken Joans from Banks. Tractors SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH MALIK and fertilizers etc. should be made avail- (Sonepat) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, first of aU abJe to farmers at cheaper prices. Market- I would 1ike to congratulat e our popular ing of agricultural produce should be Prime Minister Shri Rajiv Gandhi and the regulated so that the middlemen may not bon. Agriculture Minister, Shri Buta Singh exploit the farmers and the consumers. that they have allocated sufficient funds ia the Bud.et of 1985.. 86 Dot only for I would also like to add that the crop· a8l'icuJture and the farmers, but for the pins pattern in the distiricts or Son epat. development of all seetioDS or the rural Rohtak and lind in Haryana is changing population. Many now schemes hav. been very fast. I would like to suggest that iatrocluced in the Budaet. If these schemos suaar mills and rice mills should be set up are implemcllted with the same &pirit with in the public sector and the co·operative which allocations have been made for sector at Gohana and safidon and a them in the Budget, it would definitely provision should be made in the Budget lead to tbe economic pro&ress of tho for this purpose. Bakeries and dairies . villages. should be set up at Bahadurgarh and SQnepat and concrete steps should be taken Sir, while supportina this Budget, l for settin& up of vegetable and f~uit based would like to make a certain constructive industries at Gannaur, Julana and Khar- commonts. Hirst of all, I would like to khod, towns in Haryana. aay that the prwes of alliQultural produce Ibould be fixed k eepina in view the cost In addition, I would like to say that of product ion. ]'h e n ominat ed Committees the crop financl scbeme propoled· by of Government aDd the ,experts ·themselves Government sbould be implemented by admit. that tho ~st 'of production of one tak.in& a villap as unit. "uinta} of wlleat "om.. to Ra. 200, but lb. minimum aupport priol, of wheat is A. there is sbortap of time, with theao bot .find at this 1.,.&1 :br Oollllrnmcot. wordJ I support t~ Demands for Orants Ttlle,,,' is the ~ao ,with, IlI.IIarcaDo au4 of t1\o MiDi,"'y of ~iculturc and Rural · ttbCf I.ricultural pl'ocIUQc. Dove 1opmoat. ~ ~ 1 Demailds lor Grdnts

[English] Now, I come to my second Cut'Mofihri No. 1 S8 which reads as follows : DR. V. VENKATESH (Kolar) : First' of all, I thank you very much for the "Failure to pay adequate compen~ opportunity you have g-iven to me to speak sat ion to Dynacraft Machine on my Cut motion No. 156, viz. "Failure Company Limited, Bombay by to improve the functioning of Krishak Krishak Bharati Cooperative Bharati Cooperative Limited, New Delhi ... Limited, for cancellation of their KRlBHCO. " order for coal handling plant"'~ . , This is a case in which the manage- In or about 1978, Government of ment of Krishak Bharati Coop!rati'le India along with a few state Cooperative Limited has allowed throwing away 800' Marketing Federations promoted the workers and their large number of family Krishak Bharati Cooperative Limited, members to face starvation. These workers which was later registered in the year were all employed in the Dynacraft 1980 as a national level multi-unit co- Machin e Company Ltd. operative society, with a membership ot SSO cooperatives. This was started pri· marily to develop the Hazira Fertilizer The management of Krishak Bharati Complex on the bank of river Tapti, Cooperative Limited had awarded a con· West of Surat, Gujarat to help and bring tract for about Rs. 10 crores for the about general awareness among the far- development of Coal Handling Plan( at mers and cooperatives, about KRIBHCO its Hazira Fertiliser complex to the Dyna. and its products and services. craft Machine Company Ltd., Bombay, fall which global tenders were invited. This Indian company is a pioneer in the field But ~s ill-luck would have it, this of manufacturing material handling equip.. cooperative has become worse than many ments for core industry, and is wholly an public sector units in the country, and indigenous company being managed by a is being wholly mismanaged by a few minority community. handful of persons, who are controlling, the affairs to serve their own ends. And Suddenly due to change in policy of a vicious circle bas come into being. As the Governmentt KRIBHCO decided to do per my informa tion, a few lakhs of rupees away with coal firing system of the boilers, of the cooperatives have been wasted in and made it a gas-based unit. K.RIBHCO meaniDaless travelling and tour expenses account by a few top officers. In other bact to cancel the order to Dynacra.ft in July 1983. words, Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Development and its nominee on the Board of ;Directors of KRIBHCO and the hon. Several meetings were held between Minister are altogether neglected by those KRIBHCO and Dynacraft, and assurances in the management of the cooperative. were held out that compensation would be I am sure if an enquiry is conducted, paid shortly. But there were several would appear to everyone what kind of vested interests which wanted to secure mismanagement and misfc:asance are some benefits, as it would appear from perpetrated by the KRIBHCO management. the events thereafter. On 4th January' It is, therefore, my earnest appeal to this 1985, a telegram was sent to th e company August House and to the hon. Minister which enquired about very irrelevant to look into the present• development points and delayed the matter. Thour,h and order an enquiry to unfold various' there are several decisions on the subject iIle,al and irregular aClS and deeds of· of payment of compensation, KRIBHCO. the management, in the laraer interest of neglected to follow any rules therefor. the Government's credibility and in the Tiae bon; Minister wa& kind enoulh to .., interests of honest intentions of such a throup the represont8tioDI of tb. COIJl6' gOOpctative sec;tor in tbe country» bofore paD)" but Dotbinl bas yet been dOIlo ,.0' il i. too lat e. 101vo tho iuuo. . ':'" ~~ener.p/), 198'.86 31~

I ~tn aware that the hon. Ministet of In my constituency and distriet Kotila- ~iC\llture has time and again instructed pur, in Maharashtra, many medium and KRIBHCO to settle the affairs, but his major irrigation projectll are pendina witb instruction is also surprisingly neglected. -the CPWC of the Government of India 1\5 a result thereof, Dynacraft which is for giving clearalJce. and administrative engaged with other public sector units approval and eVffi submitting H:em to the like EPJ, BhiJ~i St eel Plant, power projectS World Rank for gettirg loan. These pro- of Government, Hindustan Zinc. etc. had jects are badly needed. They are Dood- to face cancellation of their orders, due Ganga, Warna, Kasari, Vedganga, Karma- to financial stringency suffered by it at the wari and evell Chikosara. There is n short- hands of KRIBHCO. age of funds for these projects in my constituency, particularly, in my district I, therefore, appeal to the hon. Min is- also. As far as dairy development, IRDP ter to look into the matter urgentJy, So and other programmes of the rural recons- that the Indian company does not suffer truction are concerned, I may suggest any longer at the hands of KRIBHCO that the Government of India has to by its delayed acts and deeds, and 800 announce a policy of subsidy schemes on workers really do not become jobless the st) Ie of SFDA wldch has teen dis. on a permanent basis. carded from 1st of April.

KRIBHCO also should not be an NABARD is not advancing loan for instrument to disturb the other public tractors in Kolhapur district~ I would request the hon. Minister to issue instruc- sector ~nits who are unable to get things dODe through Dynacraft. tions to NABARD to advance loan for tractors. As far as sugar industry is cQn. cerned, in the western region of Maharash- I hope the hone Minister would seri- fra, there is best recovery and there afe ously view tbis matter, and save these bumper crops. Major irrigation projects workers and the Indian company of the are also there. But still the &uidelines m inori ty Commun ity. which have been laid down by the Food and CivH Supplies Department are very SHRI R.S. MANE (If:)halakaranji): rigid. So, I would therefore request the I rise to support the Demands for Grants hon. Minister to persue them to enable new for the Ministry of Agriculture and Rural proposals in Maharashtra especially in Development. While doing so, I congra- Kolhapur DisH. to get cleared. the needful tulate the Minister of Agriculture and also in the matter. the Minister of Finance for having intro- duood a crop insurance pol icy for some Where there arc bumper crop irriga- crops, and in some districts. At the same tion projects and best recovery, licences time, I would suggest that this poJicy should be issued 1iberally. With these should be widely appJied to al1 the blocks words, J support the Demands for Orants and also to lawar crops and to blocks- of the Ministry of Agriculture and Rural NREP and IRDP, irrespective of their Development. holdings of agriculturist. This is my hum- ble suggestion. [Translation]

As far as credit to agrjculturists, espe- DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR TRIPATHI ciaJJy to those who mainly cultivated (KhaliJabad): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I rise Kharif crop like jawar and paddy is con- to support the demands for grants of tbe cerned, I may say that the Ministry of Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Deve]op- Arl'iculture has totaHy failed in advancing ment. There was a record production or loans'to the agricultural farming commu. 1 51S lakh totlnes of foodgrains in J 983·84 nity at tho rate of 6%, through Reserve i~ India and this was a unique achievement ~1'11c.-1 am now requesting the Mini$ter of for the country. The world has apprtciat- Alriculhire to pursue tbis matter wJth the cd this achievelllent. A)) the schemes wore ReserVe Bank, and take steps to' advance intel;l

bo time-bound an" re.ult Orient·ed al\d in culture and serieu1ture may be doo'e ilt the CUll of oQrruptiOD and Ia,Uft'eren,t attitude, Seventb Pive Year PJan. Throuah yOU, It would be il1)pmttivo to a~soaatc theae Sir. I would request, the hon. Minfater ofticers with tbe pro'rammea and make that a Q)mprehensive plan for shoop rear'ul them accountable in cu~ of tbe failure of in hUI areas should a Iso b. prepared. Por the programmes. this assistance from Japan and otber coun- tries can be sought. Talks are loin. on SHRI HARISHRAWAT (Almora) : ~it, with the World Bank on a comprehensive tbrOl1ah you 1 ,waat to CODlratulate the plan for development of horticulture In hOD. Minister of Alriculture and agrieu1. eight districts of U.P. These should be ture scientists that b), planned development speeded up. they have bro\llht about much progress in the eountry but at the same time I want For fishery, specially for the produc- to subm,jt tha t not I ing has been don e to tion of trout fisb, we should seek the oo-op. develop the a,ronomy of our hillereas. eration of Japan and it can extend help as Even today the per acre yield of agricul. it is already htlping Jammu & Kashmir. tural produce is the lowest there. I want For Soyabean production, we can request that the Agrlcu'fture MiDister should a!k the European Common Market for help as tbe Pant University or other such Unjver. has been done in the case of Madhya siti es to do some research work to encour· Pradesh. I would also appeal that for the age aJricultur~ in these areas. To study catchment areas or the riven in the hill the air icultural needs of these hill areas regions also we should seek World Bank the Pant University or other Universities assistance and river catchment areas of should establish their campuses tbere. Such more & more rivers should be covered implements should be manufactured for under the SCheme. I would request tbat we those areas a'S may be suitable there. should have micro-catchment river p!abD. Consolidation Jaws should be enforced to ing. Unless micro catchment planniDI il consolidate the holding~. The Jand tbere done, you cannot stop the carrying of should be consolidated. The economy soil by river waters to the plains which ad. on agronomy, horticulture, sericulture, versely aft' ects our irrila tion and because vegetable development etc. of the hill areas of luch silting, floods etc. are caused. should be based OR foreltry but so far no effective steps have been taken in tbis Shri Chandrakar is pres ent here. direction. Through you I Would submit to Shri Chandralcar that his Ministry is a very . I would urge the hon. Minister to ask important Ministry and it is concerned ICAR that the Temperate Fruit Horticul· with the common man~ Therefore, next ture Research Institute, proposed to be time when the Demands of his Ministry are included in the Se ... enth Five Year Plan, dilcussed, these should be diSCussed se- should be set up at Cltaubatia in District parately. My submission is that the 'aanikhet of U.P. In addition, the Himala- amount allocated (or the Drought Prone yan Toa Research Centre should also be set Area Programme is very meagre. The up so that it can. do some work for, tea deve. allocation should be increased and more JQpment. You can tak,e the assist~nce ~f area8 should be brought under this pro- tbe Ministry of Commerce also 1., thiS gramme. At the same time the criteria ",Ird. for identifying the drou,ht pron'e areas should also be chana cd. The approach •.OQbn. of the Task Force, which you appoint lor this purpos e, should be broad-based. I would allO,. Uk e t.o ,uuest eat the HOI'ticwlttlre University which is proposed I would like to say somethin, about to be opened 1ft HiOiaolaa), Praclolh. abou!d RLBOP. Our endeavour should be to croate have two winss. One wing should, b.e;. permanent assets of the ALEGp and N_ Himach.l and tbe other campus should be in rural areas. Otle SUllol tion I waDt to ilfll.e' litU 'tlU or l1.P~' ~ tbat, there a1~ live h4re. In our aariculturaJ uDi.versities, .. "ott bll ·nte de\'elo~~t \ ~f. 1lort1.. tbO$O "Olite4, lA$ 01lcor, .,,'0 'j)pOiJt~oct :. J 79 ",,,,.,,. for 0,.", API\~, SO. 1985 (General)~ 198$.86

{9hri Harish Rawatl constituency, Kalafal, in Balasore distriet~ 8S Viee Chancellors who win our favour, That is to be im"lemented with the ban- i.e. potiticians' favo·V'r. This has caused cial assistance from the'Norweatan (Jove- great resentment among the a~rieu'tural rnment. That scheme needs to be cleared Icientists. I want that you should ask the by the Government and the agreement State Government to appolnt agricu Hural needs to be executed soon. scientists as Vice Chancel1Qfs of tbeir One word about rural development. al1'lculture universities. I would lik e to congratulate the hone I [B",lish] Minister for Rural Development for his SHRI CHINTAMANI lENA (BalasoTe) : wise decision of allotting 20 per Cent I rise to support the demands of the of the NREP fuo<1s for raising social Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Deve- forestry which will be extended to all ment; the villages from. this year. It is a very I congratulate the Prime Minister and wise decision and I should congratulate the hon. Minister for Agriculture and him for that. Rurnl Development for introducing the Apart from this, one more word legar- crop insurance scheme. At present this ding RLEGP. I am very grateful to OUf scheme is restricted to on~y four crops- late Prime Minister, Shrimati Indira paddYt wheat, oilseeds and, pulses. I Gandhi, who was the only person who would request tha.t this scheme shou1d be knew the mi~ery of the rural poor, for CIt cnded to cover other crops as well like which the RLEGP programme was intro- maize. bajra and sugar-cane which are duced. I would request the hon. Minister also exposed to natural calam:tics. to allot more funds to the backward The Government is fixing the prices States like Orissa, Madhya Pradesh, of agricultural produce on the recommenda- Bihar etc. for this purpOse. tion of the Agricultural Prices Commis- MR. CHAIRMAN: The hon. Minis. sion on which the farmers are not re- ter will reply to the debate day' aftel' presented. I demand that the far .. tomorrow. mers should be represented on it. The num- 20.08 hrs. ber of members on the Commission at present is three. This Dumber should be [English] increased to five and three of them ARREST OF MEMBER should be from the farmers' side 80 that the farmers" interest is safeguarded. MR. CHAIRMAN: I have to inform' lndia has emerged as one of the major the House that the following t~legram producers of fish in the world. Among dated 29 Apri1~ 1985, addressed to the the Commonwealth conntries, India must Speaker, Lok Sa bha, has been received be in the first position. It is the eighth from the Commissioner of Police. Egmore, ~adras, today :~ largest producer of fish in the world. Du- rinl 1983 .. 84, the country produced 21.4 "I have the honour to inform you that Shri N. V. N. Somu M. P. was lakb tonnes of fish of which 16.4 lakh t t toones was contributed by the marine arrested at about 10.10 hours today~ sector and 10 lakh tonnes by the inland 29.4.85, at E. V. R. Salai ncar Ribbon sector. It was expected that the country building, Madras, in 02 Police StatlOD, would earn Rs. 400 Cfores of foreign crime No. 402/85, under section 143 exchange through expo: t of marine pro- IPC, 41 Madras City Police Act read ducts. The poorest of the poor of the with section 7 (1) Crimina) Law society are engaged in fish production. (Amendment) Act when he along with to;~.e 'Now, in the States like Orissa, the 1isb~r­ others assembled there in order in a procession to picket the Soutbern men are much more in number and 80 I would request that the fisheries de~plop.. Ralway Office, 'Madras, in violation of ment Schemes which have been sl,Jbmitted tho ord erl under section 41 of Mactra. by the State (Jovemment of Orissa to City: Police Act .in forcc/" .1 the Central Government may be approved 28.09 brI~ soon. . ' The £Ok StPJhQ then ad./OIU'.d tiU ~~.~~ In thiS conneCtion' I would lib t~ fJl, t"~ .Cl~ on Thllr$da,~ Mal ~•. Mjt . mentiOD about one project in my own '''fItUditI12. 19fW ($"Ia). . ., ·;-f, friote4 by YI .. ViDdbya Vaabli PactaliDli. DtIId.-I 100$ 3.'