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Shore, King & Street Fashion Alec Soth's Archived Blog August 9, 2007 Shore, King & Street Fashion Filed under: vernacular & Flickr — alecsothblog @ 10:30 am I appreciate the flurry of Flickr commentary. I’ve learned a lot. But I’m worried that Stephen Shore has been unfairly criticized. If your read the full context of his comments, he is simply making a case for raw documentation: There has to be on the web a treasure trove of brilliant untutored pictures. I’d seen the photographs that were made at the time of the London Underground bombing by people with cell phones in the Underground cars. And they have an energy to them, and an immediacy, that was pretty extraordinary. They weren’t structurally fine pictures, but, you know, this is a new world. This is people in a subway car that has just been bombed – they flip out their phones and start taking pictures. This is pretty amazing. So I thought, okay, I’m going to find a lot of great stuff and I went onto Flickr and it was just thousands of pieces of shit. I couldn’t believe it. It is just all conventional. It’s all clichés. It is one visual convention after another. Just this week a friend of mine sent me some pictures he’s been collecting on eBay. And they were fabulous. It is just stuff for sale. The difference is that on eBay the people are not trying to make art. They are just trying to show something. ‘This is what this bottle looked like. It is not silhouetted. I’m not going to do it at sunset. I’m just going to take a picture.’ That is the motive of most photographers – ‘This is something I find interesting in the world and I’m going to make it clear.’ The very anti-elitist Stephen King expressed a similar enthusiasm for raw documentation in the current issue of Entertainment Weekly. While watching The Ellen DeGeneres Show, he was exposed to this YouTube video of a man dancing in Best Buy: The crazy guy dancing in Best Buy, be he fake or fact, demonstrates the real purpose of these things we write about — to cause a sudden burst of happy emotion, a sudden rush to the head, the feet, and what may be the truest home of joy: a butt that just has to shake its happy self… It’s easy — maybe too easy — to get caught up in serious discussions of good and bad, or to grade entertainment the way teachers grade school papers. Those discussions have their place, even though we know in our hearts that all such judgments — even of the humble art produced by the pop culture — are purely subjective. I don’t know if these things are art, and I don’t really care. All I know is that they make me want to laugh and dance in the aisle at Best Buy. After reading King’s article, I tried to figure out what kind of photography gives me a similar experience. Putting aside the raw vernacular of cell phone cameras and eBay, one of the things I came up with was street fashion photography. I’ve always liked looking at fashion photography. But as much as I enjoy the lavish productions of Steven Meisel, I’m often more taken with pure street fashion photography. My favorite site for this kind of work, Hel- Looks, specializes in street fashion from Helsinki: Karita (20) by Hel-Looks And who can deny the pleasures of the most popular street fashion blog, The Sartorialist: by The Sartorialist Both of these websites represent the work of professional photographers. The pictures are uniformly well produced. But what makes them so successful is (1) a lack of artistic pretense and (2) enthusiasm for a specific subject. A quick look at Flickr shows a lot of labored artistry and a lot of generic subjects. As I said in the original post, Shore’s generalization is understandable. But I know I’m grateful for having a couple hundred new ways to look at Flickr. In fact, one of the things I’ve found is a Flickr group devoted to street fashion: by The Happy Hippie 53 Comments 1. that’s what it’s all about man! finding the stuff you like and following it. instead of tuning into the TV, i tune into Flickr to see what my favorite photographers are up to. some of them make me wait for days, while others give quick burst of happiness on a daily basis. and let’s not forget the conversation! sometimes leaving a comment on a friends picture is like walking into the neighborhood bar and having a conversation with 10 good friends.. peace, and keep up the great work. this blog is a treasure… Comment by bryanF — August 9, 2007 @ 10:52 am 2. While I’m not so sure about the exclusivity of raw images in producing that moment in time, I think that the sentiment is right. My photography is not popular. But what I do with it makes me happy. It is that moment in time when I’m photographing something and later, when I’m home and processing it, that completes the cycle of the process for me. The whole experience is fun and enjoyable. I didn’t jump into the flickr discussion (although I read all of it and mused on some of it) but I found it to be enlightening (especially comments by long-time flickr royalty that popped in to the conversation. Comment by dawn — August 9, 2007 @ 11:03 am 3. alec, that’s why context is important. i can see what shore is getting at, but i can also see why so many flickr-ites came on to express their views. shore made some pretty big claims about the level of photography on flickr; he said “It is just all conventional. It’s all clichés. It is one visual convention after another.” nothing like sweeping generalizations to get you into trouble. of course, the comments section of your post was flooded with tons of exceptions to shore’s assertion. in the end, i really like the way that stephen kind put it–all of this is very subjective. and it is. in the end it doesn’t really matter what stephen shore, stephen king, john szarkowski, or anyone else says. sure, they’re fun to listen to sometimes, and they can definitely be influential, but at some point we must “all think for ourselves.”* *that was indeed a monty python reference. Comment by ryan a — August 9, 2007 @ 11:06 am 4. Thanks Bryan. By the way, I like your work. Comment by Alec Soth — August 9, 2007 @ 11:11 am 5. l like your work also Bryan..doing the streets of LA proud.. Comment by patrick romero — August 9, 2007 @ 11:24 am 6. That is precisely the point! Shore did make some generalizations. Alec, your edit of Shore and your request for some voluntary favorite sharing spurred heated debate. Thank you for opening the discussion and encouraging so many people to post their favorites. Your blog just became the newest tool on flickr by asking your community to show the work it loves. Opening the archives and allowing the free flow of everything will overwhelm us if we try to search in the conventional fashion. The brilliance of flickr lies in it’s ability to let community members create niche markets and find their kindred spirits. Comment by Laurie — August 9, 2007 @ 11:35 am 7. I enjoyed reading all the comments from yesterday and today and it brough out alot of discussion and I have to agree in regard to The Sartorialist. I’ll take one of his pics over a laviously produced fashion shot. Comment by mike — August 9, 2007 @ 11:43 am 8. have you seen: http://facehunter.blogspot.com/ my favorite “street fashion” blog Comment by einars odinecs — August 9, 2007 @ 11:48 am 9. I love this blog! Really enjoying these discussions. Thanks! Comment by Neath — August 9, 2007 @ 11:49 am 10. Thanks Alec. that’s certainly appreciated. I’m still learning and blogs like this make all the difference On a side note: i was born and raised in minnesota, and a few months before i headed out west a good friend of mine showed me ‘Sleeping by the Mississippi’ and I distinctly remember the feeling i had when i saw a few of the Minnesota pictures. I turned to him and said, ‘that’s minnesota.’ that’s what i feel when i’m heading up I-94 to the cabin. Ever since then I’ve been hooked on photography….so thank you for making those photographs and sending me on my way Comment by bryanF — August 9, 2007 @ 11:51 am 11. These are quite nice by south African photographer, Lolo Veleko http://www.artnet.com/artist/424870742/lolo-veleko.html Comment by Stuart Whipps — August 9, 2007 @ 12:34 pm 12. Along with Face Hunter, there is Street Peeper Fruits Style Scout Style Arena Comment by Alec Soth — August 9, 2007 @ 12:41 pm 13. I’ve started to visit this blog not too long ago… and I’ve got to say that I love its interactive platform. On the other hand, I quite enjoyed browsing through Hel Looks as well as the others, to me going through those photographs have just added to my favoritism for street shots and the fact that they do have some glamour charge takes it to another level, as if a shout to the fashion photographers out there to hit the streets with a more creative approach then the well knows jumping the puddle, or platinum background… And as u’ve mentioned the lack of artistic pretense makes them work, and to me more enticing and pleasant to look at… IMHO.
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