Ntlo Ya Dikgosi Debates

NTLO YA DIKGOSI DEBATES

OFFICIAL REPORT FIRST MEETINGOF THE THIRD NTLO YA DIKGOSI 19 January 2015 THE PROCEEDINGS

of the

FIRST MEETING

OF THE THIRD

NTLO YA DIKGOSI

(Official Report) Sitting from 19 January 2015

ii NTLO YA DIKGOSI CHAIRMAN Kgosi Puso Gaborone Batlokwa DEPUTY CHAIRMAN Kgosi Lotlamoreng II Barolong MEMBERS Kgosi Lobatse Beslag Gantsi West Kgosi Kgomotso Boiditswe Serowe Region Kgosi Peter Johane Chika III Chobe Kgosi Colly Cock Thamaga Region Kgosi Itsoseng Gaoonwe Letlhakeng Region Kgosi Sediegeng Kgamane Bangwato Kgosi Rapelang Khuwe Tutume Region Kgosi Nametso Alfred Kopelo Molepolole Region Kgosi Oleyo Ledimo Maun Region Kgosi Oreagetse S. Machilidza Boteti Region Kgosi Thebe Makwa Moshupa Region Kgosi Letso Malema Bobirwa Region Kgosi Malope II Bangwaketsi Kgosi Seate Marumo Kanye Region Kgosi Maruje III Thabo Masunga Specially Elected Kgosi Kgosidialwa Oledile Puso Moalosi Tonota Region Kgosi Galeakanye Modise Tswapong Region Kgosi Sekgoma Eric M. Moipolai North East Region Kgosi Moeti Monyamane Kgalagadi North Kgosi Kealetile Moremi Batawana Kgosi Justice Moseki Gantsi East Kgosi Tjazako Munduu Ngamiland Kgosi Disho Ndhowe Okavango Kgosi Nguvauva Salatiel-Nguvauva II Specially Elected Kgosi Mosadi Seboko Balete Kgosi Kgari III Bakwena Kgosi Tsholo Segwaba Specially Elected Kgosi Moffat Maiba Sinvula Specially Elected Kgosi Kekailwe Moscow Tefiso Ngwaketsi West Kgosi Isaac Titus Specially Elected Kgosi David S. Toto II Kgalagadi South Kgosi Tshipe F. Tshipe Mahalapye Region

iii Layout Bakang B. Khumanego Dennis T. Batshegi Kebonye Setshube

Edited by Ms K. Alepeng, Ms C. Chonga, Mr K. Goeme, Ms G. Phatedi, Ms B. Malokwane, Mr A. Mokopakgosi, Ms O. Nkatswe

Translated by K. Ben, M. Kagiso, B. Dintwa, T. Rajane, M. Sekao, M. Rabotsima, B. Mosinyi, V. Nkwane, Ms N. Kerobale, Ms. K. Nyanga

Reporters M . Buti, N. Selebogo, A. Ramadi, D. Thibedi, N. Mokoka, G. Baotsi, B. Pinaemang and D. Pheko

Recorders Mr. T. Gaodumelwe, Mr T. Monakwe, Ms Tlamelo D. Kebonang

iv Table of Contents

Oath of Allegiance...... 1

Election of the Chairperson of Ntlo ya Dikgosi...... 2 Election of the Deputy Chairperson of Ntlo Ya Dikgosi...... 3

v Monday 19th January, 2015 OATH OF ALLEGIANCE

Monday 19th January, 2015 ALLEGIANCE THE HOUSE met at 10:00 The following Members took a.m. an oath of allegiance:

(THE CHAIRPERSON in the Kgosi Lobatse Beslag Chair) Kgosi Kgomotso Boiditswe PRAYERS Kgosi Peter Johane Chika III * * * * Kgosi Colly Cock SECRETARY OF NTLO YA DIKGOSI (MS THEBE): Kgosi Puso Gaborone Good morning Honourable Kgosi Itsoseng Gaoonwe Members. In accordance with Rule 2 of Ntlo ya Dikgosi Rules Kgosi Sediegeng Kgamane of Procedure, “every Member of Ntlo ya Dikgosi shall, before Kgosi Rapelang Khuwe taking his or her sit, therein take Kgosi Nametso Alfred Kopelo and subscribe before the Ntlo ya Dikgosi, the oath or affirmation Kgosi Oleyo Ledimo of allegiance as set out in the first schedule.” In terms of this Kgosi Lotlamoreng II Rule and in accordance with our Kgosi Oreagetse Machilidza Order Paper, the first item will be the oath of allegiance. We Kgosi Thebe Makwa will call names of Members in alphabetical order and once your Kgosi Letso Malema name is called you will rise and Kgosi Malope II come to the microphone here where we will administer the Kgosi Seate Marumo oath of allegiance. Kgosi Maruje III Masunga Honourable Members, as we Kgosi Kgosidialwa Moalosi have already discussed this morning, we shall start off our Kgosi Galeakanye Modise business for today with swearing in of Members. I thank you. Kgosi Sekgoma Eric M. Moipolai OATH OF Kgosi Moeti Monyamane 1 Monday 19th January, 2015 Election of the Chairperson of Ntlo Ya Dikgosi Kgosi Kealetile Moremi ELECTION OF THE Kgosi Justice Moseki CHAIRPERSON OF NTLO YA DIKGOSI Kgosi Tjazako Munduu KGOSI TOTO II Kgosi Disho Ndhowe (KGALAGADI REGION): I Kgosi Nguvauva Salatiel- nominate Kgosi Puso Gaborone Nguvauva II MS THEBE: Kgosi Puso Kgosi Mosadi Seboko Gaborone has been nominated, Kgosi Kgari III any seconder? Kgosi Tsholo Segwaba KGOSI MOSEKI (GHANZI REGION): I second that. Kgosi Moffat Maiba Sinvula MS THEBE: Kgosi Moseki has Kgosi Kekailwe Moscow Tefiso seconded that nomination. Kgosi Gaborone do you accept the Kgosi Isaac Titus nomination?

Kgosi David S. Toto II KGOSI GABORONE (BATLOKWA): I accept the Kgosi Tshipe F.Tshipe nomination. MS THEBE: Honourable MS THEBE: Thank you Kgosi. Members, we will proceed with Any other nomination? the second item on the Order Paper which is the election of KGOSI LOTLAMORENG Chairperson. In accordance II (BAROLONG): Thank you with paragraph 2 of the second madam. I propose that if there schedule of the Rules of is no other nomination, then we Procedure, any Member of Ntlo should conclude the election of the Chairperson. ya Dikgosi may nominate any other Member for the election MS THEBE: Kgosi Lotlamoreng of the Chairperson. If that is proposing that we close the nomination is seconded the nomination if there are no more Presiding Officer shall call upon nominations. Is there anyone the Member so nominated and who is against this proposal? seconded to declare whether he/ she accepts candidature or not. Question put and agreed to. 2 Monday 19th January, 2015 Election of Deputy of Chairperson of the Ntlo Ya Dikgosi MS THEBE: In accordance of any Member to preside in with paragraph 4 of the second the House in the absence of schedule of the Rules of the the Chairman and the Deputy Procedure, “If only one Member Chairman.” In other words, we has been nominated and seconded are going to follow the same and accepted candidature, the procedure we used when electing presiding officer shall forthwith the Chairman. Honourable declare him or her to be elected Members who wish to speak as Chairperson. Therefore Kgosi shall indicate by raising their Gaborone has unanimously been hands. elected as the Chairman of Ntlo ya Dikgosi and we congratulate ELECTION OF him. DEPUTY OF CHAIRPERSON HONOURABLE MEMBERS: OF THE NTLO YA Applause! DIKGOSI MS THEBE: At this juncture, KGOSI MODISE we shall go with him to robe (TSWAPONG REGION): I so that he can come back to nominate Kgosi Tshipe Tshipe. conduct the election of Deputy Chairperson. I thank you. MR CHAIRMAN: Thank you Kgosi, Kgosi Tshipe Tshipe has PROCEEDING SUSPENDED been nominated. Any seconder? BRIEFINGLY FOR CHAIRPERSON TO ROBE KGOSI KHUWE (TUTUME REGION): I do. POEM!!!!! MR CHAIRMAN: Kgosi MR CHAIRMAN (KGOSI Khuwe has seconded Kgosi PUSO GABORONE): Thank Tshipe Tshipe’s name. Therefore you very much. We shall now I shall procedurally ask him if proceed to the election of he accepts the nomination to the Deputy Chairman of this stand for the election of Deputy House. This is regulated by the Chairman. Second Schedule of our Rules of Procedure which reads, “The KGOSI TSHIPE provisions of this Schedule (MAHALAPYE REGION): shall apply mutatis mutandis Thank you Mr Chairman. I to the election of the Deputy accept the nomination to stand Chairperson or to the election for the election of the Deputy 3 Monday 19th January, 2015 Election of Deputy of Chairperson of the Ntlo Ya Dikgosi Chairman of Ntlo Ya Dikgosi. KGOSI BESLAG (GANTSI WEST): I nominate Kgosi MR CHAIRMAN: Kgosi Tshipe Machilidza. Tshipe wishes to stand for the election of the Deputy and so far MR CHAIRMAN: Kgosi we only have his name. We shall Oreagetse Machilidza has been therefore continue, if there is nominated. Anyone who seconds any other name that Honourable that nomination? Kgosi Peter Members wish to nominate, they Johane Chika. can do so by raising their hands. KGOSI CHIKA III (CHOBE KGOSI KOPELO REGION): I do Mr Chairman. (MOLEPOLOLE REGION): I nominate Kgosi Lotlamoreng II. MR CHAIRMAN: Kgosi Chika has seconded the nomination of MR CHAIRMAN: Kgosi Kgosi Oreagetse Machilidza. Lotlamoreng II has been I shall therefore ask him if he nominated. Is there anyone who accepts the nomination. Kgosi seconds the nomination of Kgosi Machilidza. Lotlamoreng II. Kgosi Marumo. KGOSI MACHILIDZA KGOSI MARUMO (KANYE (BOTETI REGION): I do Mr REGION): I do Mr Chairman. Chairman. MR CHAIRMAN: Kgosi MR CHAIRMAN: Kgosi Lotlamoreng II’s name has been Machilidza has accepted the seconded and I will ask him if he nomination to stand for the wishes to stand for the election election of Deputy Chairman. of the Deputy Chairman of Ntlo Do we still have any other ya Dikgosi. Kgosi Lotlamoreng nomination? I do not see any II? hand. Our Rules of Procedure KGOSI LOTLAMORENG stipulates that when all II (BAROLONG): I accept the nominations have been received, nomination Mr Chairman. the Secretary shall announce the names of all Members who MR CHAIRMAN: Kgosi have been duly nominated and Lotlamoreng II has accepted the seconded and have accepted nomination. Do we still have candidature. any other name that we wish to nominate? Kgosi Lobatse MS THEBE: The nominations Beslag. are: Kgosi Tshipe, Kgosi

4 Monday 19th January, 2015 Election of Deputy of Chairperson of the Ntlo Ya Dikgosi Lotlaamoreng II and Kgosi THE FOLLOWING Machilidza. HONOURABLE MEMBERS WERE CALLED ON TO MR CHAIRMAN: Thank you. VOTE: Those are the three nominations which we shall vote for. I believe Kgosi Lobatse Beslag they have already been written on the board and we can all see Kgosi Kgomotso Boiditswe them. Therefore we shall read Kgosi Peter Johane Chika III the Second Schedule which states that the Secretary shall Kgosi Colly Cock then supply a ballot paper to each Member who wishes to Kgosi Puso Gaborone vote, and the Member shall write Kgosi Itsoseng Gaoonwe on the ballot paper the name of the candidate whom he wishes to Kgosi Sediegeng Kgamane elect as Deputy Chairperson. No Member shall write more than Kgosi Rapelang Khuwe one name on his or her ballot Kgosi Alfred Nametso Kopelo paper, and no Member shall mark his or her ballot paper in Kgosi Oleyo Ledimo such a way as to disclose whose Kgosi Lotlamoreng II ballot paper it is. Kgosi Oreagetse Machilidza MR CHAIRMAN: Procedurally, the Secretary shall Kgosi Thebe Makwa sit at a convenient table and call Kgosi Letso Malema in alphabetical order the names of all the Members present and Kgosi Malope II each Member who wishes to Kgosi Seate Marumo vote shall as his or her name is called come to the table and drop Kgosi Maruje III Thabo Masunga the ballot paper into the glass box placed before the Secretary. Kgosi Dialwa Oledile Puso When all Members have written Moalosi down their nominees, they shall Kgosi Golekanye Modise be called in alphabetical order to drop them in the ballot paper. Kgosi Eric Moipolai 5 Monday 19th January, 2015 Election of Deputy of Chairperson of the Ntlo Ya Dikgosi Kgosi Moeti Monyamane Officer. The Honourable Members were given ballot Kgosi Kealetile Moremi papers to indicate the candidate of their choice and we had three Kgosi Justice Moseki candidates. The results are as Kgosi Tjazako Munduu follows: Kgosi Lotlamoreng II got 15 votes; Kgosi Tshipe Kgosi Disho Ndhowe Tshipe got 11 votes whilst Kgosi Oreagetse Machilidza Kgosi Nguvauva Salatiele got 8 votes. The total number of Nguvauva II people who voted is 34, there is Kgosi Mosadi Seboko no spoilt ballot. This therefore means that Kgosi Lotlamoreng Kgosi Kgari III II is the deputy Chairman of this House. Kgosi Tsholo Segwaba HONOURABLE MEMBERS: Kgosi Moffat Maiba Sinvula Applause.

Kgosi Kekailwe Moscow Tefiso MR CHAIRMAN: This means that we have concluded our Kgosi Isaac Titus elections and I have a few words to say before we disperse. Let me Kgosi David Toto II first of all start by recognising the presence of His Honour the Kgosi Tshipe Tshipe Vice President and Leader of the MR CHAIRMAN (KGOSI House, Honourable Mokgweetsi GABORONE): I believe all Masisi, the Acting Speaker of the Members have cast their vote National Assembly Honourable which shall be counted to Kagiso Molatlhegi, Cabinet establish the results. Ministers present, Minister of Local Government and your Order Honourable Members, Assistant Ministers and the according to our Rules of Minister of Presidential Affairs Procedure a candidate who has and Public Administration as received more votes at a poll well as the newly elected Deputy than any other candidate shall Chairman of Ntlo ya Dikgosi be forthwith declared to have Kgosi Lotlamoreng II and the been duly elected as Deputy Members of Ntlo Ya Dikgosi Chairperson by the Presiding together with their spouses. 6 Monday 19th January, 2015 Election of Deputy of Chairperson of the Ntlo Ya Dikgosi I have noticed that the Honourable present as well as the District Members are beaming because Commissioner for Gaborone and their spouses are present. I the media. I would like to take also welcome other invited this opportunity to say a few Dikgosi and the religious leaders words after the elections we have present. The learned Attorney just concluded. The Honourable General, Parliamentary Counsel, Members will remember that this your Excellency Members of is actually the first meeting of the Diplomatic Community this House after the Dissolution and Heads of International of Parliament last year in August Organisations, the delegation 29th, 2014. This followed the from the neighbouring Republic general elections that were held of South Africa in particular on the 24th October, 2014. As is the M.E.C for Culture, Arts and procedure, the elections that we Traditional Affairs Ms Tebogo hold as Members of the House Modise, the Chairperson of the are for the Chairmanship and the North-West House of Traditional Deputy Chairmanship positions. Leaders Kgosi Zibi, Chairperson of Reconciliation Healing and Honourable Members we are Renewal in the Office of the grateful for tasking us with the Premier and Members of the responsibility of leading this House of Traditional Leaders House once more. Your choice of me to be the Chairman of Ntlo of North-West and actually Ya Dikgosi indicates that there is the former Chairperson of the trust and expectation that I will National House of Traditional perform my duties diligently Leaders in South Africa, Kgosi in leading this House. I believe Victor Suping. that the Deputy Chairman shares the same sentiments regarding The manager in the Office of this. We are greatly humbled the M.E.C for Culture Arts and and thankful for the confidence Traditional Affairs Mr Kelebone the Honourable Members have Motladiile and staff, the Deputy just conferred on us by electing Clerk of the National Assembly us to the position of Chairperson and Deputy Chairperson of this Ms Tselayakgosi and Senior House. We promise to work Officers of Parliament, the cooperatively with the Leader Secretary of Ntlo ya Dikgosi and of the House, His Honour the the NYD staff. I also welcome Vice President and all other the Permanent Secretaries, stakeholders who govern this deputy Permanent Secretaries country. 7 Monday 19th January, 2015 Election of Deputy of Chairperson of the Ntlo Ya Dikgosi I hope that we shall continue to country. I want to state that protect and maintain the dignity the most pleasant thing is that of this House as well as to try and during his November 2014, develop the status of this House. State of the Nation Address, We will strive to preserve the His Excellency the President dignity, the decorum and portray stressed the importance of a positive image of the House at Bogosi. I want to quote a few all times. Since I expressed that words from his speech. He said it is our first meeting after the thus; “Government recognises general elections which were the important role of Bogosi held last year October 2014, let in nation building. As an me also take this opportunity institution, Bogosi provides a to congratulate His Excellency solid foundation for community the President of the Republic of mobilisation, development and Botswana Lieutenant General national unity. In this regard Seretse Khama Ian Khama, Government is committed to for his election to the highest strengthening the institution, office in this land. I take it that ensuring its continued role your Honour the Vice President and relevance.’’ These are the will confer our congratulatory words that were said by the message. President as he gave his speech. The Government recognises Secondly, let me also congratulate Bogosi and acknowledges that you on your appointment to Bogosi is the foundation of the position of Vice President our communities and the way of this Republic and also as through which developments can Leader of this House. We also be brought to our communities want to commend all those who and to also bring our people managed to win the elections together. and ended up being charged with responsibilities of being Cabinet This is one point that could Ministers and also the Speaker of serve to make us feel welcome the National Assembly and her as Members in this first meeting Deputy who is here on behalf of Ntlo Ya Dikgosi. We start off of the Speaker whom I believe this meeting with the hope that is currently on a trip outside the Government will work well with country. We commit to work Dikgosi to achieve peace and well with you so that ultimately coexistence which are the pillars it goes towards the good of the of this country. Honourable Vice 8 Monday 19th January, 2015 Election of Deputy of Chairperson of the Ntlo Ya Dikgosi President, I believe that we will advice. This will ultimately be constantly in touch with you ensure that the Laws that are to discuss issues that affect the made in this country are those House and Bogosi in general. that have been made diligently and taking into account the We believe that you will welcome wishes of every Motswana. That us for consultation so that we can is a very important role, which I be able to do our work diligently. believe the Members should take I believe that Dikgosi have long seriously. We should know that had a major contribution in the all bills that are referred to this development of this country House should be given enough and we shall continue to assist time for purposes of producing the Government and guide quality advice. There are so many the upcoming generations to issues that we could collaborate understand that it is of outmost on with the Government. It can importance to serve this country. be issues of education especially We cannot forget our main the decline in performance of responsibility which is the the students, students behaviour preservation and promotion of or youth behaviour in general our culture and customs. I take and we should work together to it that it is our cornerstone and determine how we can improve even the Constitution emphasises the situation. that. It states that Parliament cannot proceed to discuss any There are issues that we have Bill pertaining to customs, to do for improvement of traditions and practices of our behaviour in general. For the communities. All bills relating to new Members, I should hasten to customary law should be referred inform you that in the 2009 the to this House. President sent out a task force on issues of Social values. There The Constitution recognises the are some recommendations in importance of Bogosi when it this social values report that we comes to issues of promotion as Honourable Members should and preservation of our culture. look into. The Government I would like to inform you did not consider some of the Honourable Members that recommendations then but I do Parliament shall be referring bills believe that if there is need for to this House and it will give this those to be looked into again House an opportunity to debate then we have the responsibility the Bill and give the necessary to do so and the Government 9 Monday 19th January, 2015 Election of Deputy of Chairperson of the Ntlo Ya Dikgosi can still consider them. By so you attend. There is already a doing, we will be advising the partnership in place because you Government. There are issues always invite us to your official pertaining to agriculture, Bogosi opening of the North West is playing a role on that. Do we House of Traditional Leaders. take seriously the Government We should take this journey initiative to supply seeds to together and support each other. the communities as a way of There are so many things that we contributing towards food can cooperate on, some of them security in this country? These of cultural nature. Mafikeng is are issues that we should look not so far Kgosi Zibi and I take into as this House. Other issues it that you are happy to be here are in relation to capacitating with us this morning. We pledge Members of this House, this that this unity will mature from is one thing that we should strength to strength so that we consider; we shall also look at are able to build the institution of the Parliament strategic plan as Traditional Leadership together. well as the mandate of Ntlo ya Dikgosi which is to promote the I have talked about Bogosi issues effectiveness and efficiency of Honourable Members; that we this House. We can only do that want to take Bogosi institution if we do quality debates as well somewhere. We can look into all as discuss relevant issues in this the laws governing the institution House. of Bogosi in general and review some of them in order to align These are things that we should them to where we want to be. consider when the House starts. We should, in this five years With those, I would like to thank be able to have made a mark in you Honourable Members for trying to take Bogosi forward. giving me the responsibility to Let me thank you all, for having lead this House once more. We attended this event this morning, wish to thank our colleagues from especially your Excellency, the Republic of South Africa Members of the Diplomatic who are here this morning, who Community who always find have attended this event as a way time in their busy schedules to of showing solidarity and unity. come and attend this event. We As neighbours we are brothers thank you very much for that. and sisters, we are colleagues Using Kgosi Masunga’s words, and as such we are happy when with God everything is possible.

10 Monday 19th January, 2015 Election of Deputy of Chairperson of the Ntlo Ya Dikgosi This is the notion that could guide us in our daily duties. In conclusion, we have two weeks in this House and the first week we shall be orientating Members on the Procedures of this House. The second week we shall have Ministerial briefings. That is the programme as it is. After this meeting Honourable Members of Ntlo ya Dikgosi together with his Honour the Vice President will go for a group photo just by the portico. I think this is something that will take roughly less than five minutes. We shall proceed to the portico after this, so that we do not leave our visitors for a long time. We would like to invite our guests, our dignitaries, our VIPs to some light refreshments in Parliament gardens after this meeting. Thank you all. Have a good day.

ADJOURNMENT

The House adjourned at 11:25 a.m.