eS7 O saim d sr fhdBl93 Skwihn in yanous 658 D0lBriois^mLai¥S Order parts of the CourOry SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: But i must Members who wish to partkapate in the also say that it has taken just over one hour Discussk)n under Rule 193 to strict to the for me to reach this place. Ithink perhaps the timing. If they go on speaking for 20 or 25 Porice have over-reacted to whatever inci minutes, then they are taking away the time dent that has taken place. I do not know that of the other Memt>ers. There are Members happened. AH the roads, round about two to whodkJ not getachance to speak even in the three kitometers, all the reads, have been last sesston as well as in this sessk>n. They completely bkxdced. Nobody is being .al- feel it absolutely inconvenient. So. I request towed. No car is being altowed. I showed my the Members to speak only for 10 minutes. pass. Butthe pass does not make any sense to the PoKce people. Now, Shri Kabindra Purkayastha will 16.00 hrs. speak.
You see, it has taken me just one hour SHRI KABINDRA PURKAYASTHA to reach here. I think, they shouki not ever (Silchar): Sir, I rise to speak on the law and react like this. order situatk>n partculariy with reference to terrorism, secessionism and vk>lence. in the SHRI S.B. CHAVEN: I wili find out as to North East. why this had happened. Normally this should not happen. The polrce is supposed to guard It is a matter os satisfaction that on 11th certain areas. But if there are over reactions, July, 1991, the honourable Preskientof India I will try to find out. addressing the joint session of Pariiament declared that Government will ensure that [7rans/af/o/iJ secessk)nist elements of Assam are brought back to the mainstream. Genuine grievances SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN (Rosera): of the people will be redressed. Steps will Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I think, the Hon. taken for rapki devebpment of /Usam. It Minister of Home Affairs is not aware of the was only a matter of satisfaction. I think, real situation of traffk; restrictbns being nothing has yet been done in this regard. imposed at the time of movement of V.I.Ps. If the Prime Minister moves, the traffic can be Sir, the law and order situatk)n partk:u> blocked for 5110 minutes on that route but tarly in the North East had cropped up from on the movement of Prime Minister all the these insurgent movements in the North routes are being bkx:ked for half an hour. East. You can block such routes for 5>10 minutes for security purposes t>ut it is not proper to In Indo-Burma (Now Myanmar) border block all the routes and people have to wait ing the four outermost States of India on for an hour. {Interruptions) North Eastern skle Arunachal, Nagaland, Manipur and Mizoram-are witnessing major 16.01 hrs. insurgent activities. Numerous tribal groups seeking independence and autonomy are DISCUSSION UNDER RULE 1d3 tightening their belts for a major offence against both the Indian and Myanmar forces. Detertoratkxi In law and order Situation In various parts of the Country with refer 16i)4hrs. ence to recent spurt In Incidents of terror ism, Secesslonism and Kkinapplngs— ContxL [SHRI P.M. SAYEED m the Chair\
[English] Sir, \ w\\\ \e\\ you the histoiy as to V>ow \h\s secessionist movemenlts \n the Uot\h MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I requestthe Eastem Region grew. 659 Disc, under Rule 193 DECEM BER 11.1991 Situation in various 660 Deterioration in Law S Ontor parts of the Country [Sh. Kabindra Purkavastha] Now it is beyond doubt that a sertous move is a foot to destabilise India with the Since the Unification Agreement was foreign help and through different insurgent signed on May22nd, 1991 at Nupkar (Myan groups active In different parts of the country mar) which is the tactical head-quaiters of such as People’s War Group of Andhra NSCN. by Mr. S.S. Khaplang, (NSCN). Mr. Pradesh, JKLF of Jammu & Kashmir. Na- A. Rajl(howa(ULFA)andMr.R.K.Mehewof tk>nal Socialist Ck)uncilof Nagaland. Peoples UNLF of Manipur, the IBRF (Indo Burma Liberatton Army of Manipur, Khalistan Ridvolutbnary Front) has been trying to unite Commando Force of Punjab. Maoist Coordi- all these underground'outfits of the North natk>n Committee of Bihar, United Liberatton East Region and Burma. The IBRF had Front of Assam, etc. They are working in approached PLA and KIA with a request to coordination and they are waiting for the join it. In the meantime ULFA and NSCN opportune time. were declared unlawful and for the time being that were obstructed. ULFA one of the Powerful, extremist groups emerged in Assam during the last 10 An intennationai conspiracy to prove years or more specially during the last three- adequate assistance to the Indian outlaid four years, had submitted a memorandum to outfits by the Burmese, Bangladeshi and UNO to highlight their case of self-determi- Pakistani authorities have now been con natk>n. ULFA submitted this to UNO on 26 firmed following the discbsure made by the October, 1990for the restoratbn of the rights self-styled captbn German, who is the of self-determinatk>n and the creatbn of a Secretary (Finance) of the Revolutbnary State of Assam into a separate and distinct People’s Front to the State Police of Manipur self determinatbn unit. some months back, in a letter addressed to the Secretary General of RPF dated 17 ULFA further prayed that the world body December, 1990 it was stated; * may be pleased to alk>w a delegation of the petitbner’s front to plead the petition before "We could establish contact with Bur the august body. mese, The Burmese Government had agreed to extend heki on a large scale. Ail these terrorist forces rnake their There is a possible chace of converting contact with the Bangladesh B.urmese cun'ency to dollars. If this Governmen.Pakistani Government and Missbn is enough we may earn more Bangladesh Government. These Govern income...The Burmese Government ments assured to extend all sorts of help to has agreed to patronise our Revolutbn- those outfits, partbulariy ULFA of Assam. ary Front with all the forces under their command to revolt against the Indian Now let us try to analyse the root causes Government." of ULFA type insurgency in the North-East One argument is that it is not deprivatbn, In a communrcation t)y a prominent poverty and unemployment abne that have Police offcial to his superbr it has been driven them to this bbody path, but also their mentioned clearly that “the factum of estab genuine ethnb discontents. These genuine lishing contact with the Burmese Army by the ethnb discontents can be very well benti- RPF is the most alarming and posing a threat fied. not only to the security of the state but to the integrity of the country as a whole. Another argument in support of ULFA is given that it is the State vblence perpetrated There are some other reports whteh are by the para-military forces employed to given to the Burmese Government to indi suppress the Assam movement Some cate howthe things are going on in the North- people say that the failure of the present East. politbal and administrative system to tackle 661 Disa under FUMb 193 AGRAHAYANN 20,1913 (SAKA) Situation in various 662 DBtoriofB^ ki Law Si Order pans of the Country the basic problams of the people and uphold Head of the State or for the Prime the tottering social order is also a factor. Minister or the Home Minister to pay These are the messages of ULFA at different visits to such geographically isolated times. There are some suggestions to tackle areas of our country to assess the the insurgency problem. prevailing situatbn on their own. This will also instill the lost confklence of (1) The Government should be able to the people living over there. After all, isolate the ULFA like elements. For itisthecrisisofconfklence which has this, the Govemment must take the worked as a fuel for this artificially politbal leaders, sock>-cultural organi- created fire in the Northeast. satk>ns, intellectuals, writers, educa tionists into confidence before taking (8) h is altogether necessary to Hit on the any major decisk>n regarding such roots of the insurgency outside the problems. Indian borders. RAW and other such intelligence agencies must monitor (2) An Apex Body to analyse, monitor the movement of vulnerable persons, and to implement the decisions re especially those who are working in garding insurgency be constituted with so-called ‘Hgman Rights organisa experts from different fields. tions. Ck)se watch must be kept at Geneva, London and New York where (3) People living in Assam or other bor such bodies generally have their der areas must feet that the Central consultations. Govemment is concerned about the overall socio-economic and industrial (9) Amnestry intemational, a London development of the area. Simply based human rights organisation be appointing committees or commis kept out of the trouble areas of our sions will not serve the purpose. country.
(4) Border must be well guarded and .(10) Workof Voluntary Organisatbn work sealed, if necessary to check further ing in the remote tribal areas situated infiltration of people, arms and drugs in the borders of our country, be as well. encouraged fully with whatever as sistance they need to increase their (5) A serious review should be made network. Special prbrity should be about the role of different security given to them. agencies working in the Northeast. Lam enacted prior to 1947 or post (11) Bk)cking of foreign funding is a must 47. shouW alTO be reviewed. If neces in checking the activities of anti-na sary, certain amendments be also tional elements. Proper scrutiny be made. made of all those organisations who get funds from abroad. (6) For a long time, the presence of Armyor Para-Military Forces, is there (12) All type of vk)lent activities, oiganised is all the border States of NE regk>n. by insurgents must be dealt with firmly. A serious rethinking about this is The Government should not allow necessary. Anti-Amiy feeling is not at anybody to take law into their own all desirable in the State like Assam. hands. While using the force, the At the same time. Army intervention Govemment must keep restrain. to control the civilian disturbances is Otherwise, anti-Police or anti-army also a matter to be reviewed. feeling is bound to be there.
(7) It is all the time necessary for the (13) Serious thought must be given once 663 Disc, under Rule 193 DECEMBER 11.1991 SiUiation in various 664 DeteriomtioninLswAOrder parts of the Country [Sh. Kabindra Purkavastha] ent States, such as. we can discuss the murder of Niyogi in Madhya Pradesh, we again to prepare the National Regis may discuss the killing of the f=6rest Conser ter of Citizens (NRC) and publish it to vation Offner in Karnataka or the murder of check further influx of illegal persons twonunsat Jogeshwariin Maharashtra which from across the borders. has not been detected though practbally one year has passed. (14) LJaisonCommitteeswithAnnypiaople, Civil officials and peoples’ represen But this suk^ect is limited to the seces- tatives be formed at the State level to snnist and tenorist activities in certain parts dispell the ever-grming suspidon of our country and, therefore, I will confine about the forces. Close oooperatbn myself to the aspect of the matter only. of Govemmental agencies and pubik: organisations will pave the way to Really speaking, law and order is basi buiki up trust. cally a State subject and the State List itself mentk>ns *Publk: Order' and 'Porice' as the (15) The Government can invite any or- items which are related to the States. As far ganisatbn for negotiation but two as the Unbn Government is concerned, the things must be assured- (!) The or- Unton List merely, records item 2A which ganisatbn must abjure the vblence refers to depbyment of armed forces or first, (ii) and talks must be heki within other para-military forces in aid of the States. the framework of the Indian constitu- But in the Concurrent List, the subjects of tk>n. Secessk>n of Assam or Nagaland crimes, including the Indian Penal Code and cannot be on the agenda at all. the Criminal Procedure Code and detentbn have been included. So, from that aspect, (16) All non-govemmental efforts be made the Centre is also responsible. This is not to to convince the youngsters who have say that the Centre can play an alibi by taken up arms, about the futility of this saying that States are merely responsible for path. Social workers must take, if this law and order situatk>n and the deterb- necessary, initiative in bringing the rating part of it. But many of these gaps between the Government and problems... {Interruptions). the detailed youths. In this way. if those things are taken up by the [Translation] Govemment. I think the problem in the Northeast may be resolved. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: Mr. Chairman. Sir, rise on a point of order. Just SHRISHARAD DIGHE (Bombay North before five minutes when you were in the Central): Mr. Chairman, Sir, since yesterday House. I had raised a questbn of security. we have been discussing this subject of Just now, I telephoned to my house. I was deteriorating law and order situatk>n in vari informed that my secretary Ms. Jay Jetli, ous parts of the country. It is not merely this who was standing on the gate of my house, subset whk:h is there but it further says that has been anrested by the Polbe on the plea this is with reference to recent spurt in inci that nobody can stand there. Now she is in dents of terrorism, secessbnism and kki- poUce statbn. If anybody wants to enter my napping. So, my submissnn is the scope of house he is stopped the police. Hon. this subject is not the general law and order Home Mirtister shoukJ state whether I can go situatbn throughout the country on various home or not. {Interruptions) issues but this has partk:ular reference to the terrorist and secessbnist activities of these SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: Mr. Chair militants as far as certain parts of the country man, Sir, it is most shameful issue that a are concerned. Othervirise we woukJ be dis- person cani come out from the house of an cusing several incklents of crimes in differ M.P....(ihferrqpfibns) 665 under Ruh 193 AGRAHAYANN 20.1913 (SAKA) SHuathn in various 666 DBtorhnahnmLawAOrdor parts d th0 Country MR. CHAIRMAN: Please take your SHRI RAM PRASAD SINGH: We are seats. Listen to me. You must know about discussing law and order sHuatbn and the decorum of the House that you have to sit people responsible for maintaining it are when Chairman is standing here. Mr. Tirkey vk)lating \i.,\lnterrupltions) ... you are a senior memt>er. Hon. Minister of Home Affairs is here and some steps will be MR. CHAIRMAN: You all please take taken against the problems being faced by your seats. We are discussing law and order the hon. Members. situatbn. You can raise this matter during the discussbn on it. I will ask the Home SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN; It is not an Minister to take note of this particular inci issue related to point or order raised by him. dent and make some an^angement in this It IS an issue relating to the anrest of a person regard. who bek>ngs to the family of M.P. (interrt^tions) MR. CHARMAN: Nobody shouki be an'ested. MR. CHAIRMAN: You are not listening to the Home Minister, It is not good. Please SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: Has a listen to the hon. Minister. This is not the way. curfew or an emergency been clamped in He has raised a question whk^h will be re Delhi. plied to by the hon. Minister. If ail of you will stand up and start speaking, that will not SHRI RAJESH KUMAR (Gaya): ft is a solve the problem? You have to be seated matter of regard that a woman has k>een when I am standing, you have to be seated, prcked upf rom her home. Mr. Chairman, Sir, that is the practice. I request you that she may be got released at once. It is a serious matter. SHRI S. B. CHAVAN: Mr. Chairman. Sir. I will go just now and find out the position MR. CHAIRMAN: Since it is a serious from the police. Mr. George has just now matter, I am asking you whether such inci complained that the police has taken away a dent has taken place in your house as Shri girl forcibly from the front side of his house, George Femandes has narrated? No. So he she must have been detained in the police has raised a point of order. It is a serious station. Sufficient arrangement will be made matter. Anyt>^y who is a member of the so that you do notface any difficulty, it you go family of an MP or betongs to his secu there. rity...... SHRI RAJESH KUMAR: It is not the (Interruptions) questk>n of one Member... {Interruptions)
MR. CHAIRMAN: Please be seated. MR. CHAIRMAN: Will you go on speak There shouki be some order in the House. ing like that?
SHRI RAM PRASAD SINGH SHRI RAJESH KUMAR: The Home (Bikramganj) Mr. Chairman, Sir, since the Minister has just now said that he would questk>n hasbeen raised in the House, it has ascertain the position from police. Has Shri ceased to be . his personal matter, it is a George given a wrong report? matter of the House now. When we were coming, we too were detained for two hours. MR. CHAIRMAN: Are you asking this thing from me? SHRI RAJESH KUMAR: Has emer gency has declared in Delhi? Will this Gov- SHRI RAJESH KUMAR: We are asking emment do something? (Inten-uptions) ... through you. 667 Dite. uad9r Btda 193 DEOEMBEB Silutlbn ,kivukius- Deterioration in Law & Order parts ot ^ »G o u m v SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: Mr. Now, IntheneighboariisStateorHar- Chabman, Sir. we will go to the Police Sta yanathere hadbeenatSicsadayigMklSngs tion and if we are arrested on our way. you of several people and that has also Jbeen would be responsMe. brought to the notice of. this House at the proper tima It has also mached tto qttier THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE States, not only neighbouring State of MINISTRYOFPARUAMENTAhY AFFAIRS Haryana or UP. between it has gone to AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS Maharashtra In Maharashtra also we have TRY OF U W , JUSTICE AND COMPANY seen that there was an expbston of bomb in AFFa Ir S (SHRI RANGARAJAN the siAuiban local train at Kalyan and re KUMARAMANGALAM): What Shri George cently we have read thekrteUgenoe Report has said may be'true. appearing in certain,sections of the newspa pers that even at Nanded, the home town of [EngSsh] the Home Minister, there liave l>een also certain sctivities of terrorists noticed by the R is possible that sometimes overzeal Intelligence Department So, we wouU like ousness creates unnecessaiy hurdles.,We to know exactly what is the posMkm as far as shall see. Thelmn. Minister has gone to look the exienskm of the terrorists’activities from into S. ^Ie0se do not play on it. Please wait Punjab to the other States of this country is concerned so that we can also get a proper [TransbOon] assessment of the situatmn.
Now, Sir, I readfrom someof the replies MR. CHAIRMAN: Home Minister has given to die stan'ed and Unstarred Ques gone tp find out the exKt position. Shri tions either in Lok Sabha or Rajya Sabha Kumiumangalam is sitting in the House. So that in U.P. nine districts are affected by it is good to create fuss. Digheji, ^ may terrorists’vnlenoe.This reply hasbemgiven continue your speech. on 2Stb November ldg.1.
[EngUm • • Similarly, as far as Kashmir is con cern^, it has been stated in the Lok Sak>ha MR. C H A IR ^ ^ Now Shri Sharad on 2^h August 1991 that from 1990 up to Dighe may continue. ' 30th June 1991,1.833explosions tookplace in'Jammu and Kashmir, S53 temorists were SHRI S H A ^ DIGHE: Sir^ as far as ‘ killed bn the lx>rder and 299 elsewhere. So. these tenrorist and secessionist activities are prima facie it Bppeaxs that these activities of doncemed, we wouldJiketo havethe^ures the tenorists are going on weU asfar as even from the hon. Minister of Home Affairs him different Si^es are concerned. self as to whether these mindless and sense- leA killings of innocent persons have risen Now, we bave 9lso seen thatthere have since this government has oome into power k)een certain steps taken by the Govern and if it has risen, to what extent it has risen ment For example, as far as Kashmir is and if it has d^eased, then what te the concerned, ( read that these two actons proportion to.whRh*it has decreased, we Operatk>n Rush Out and Operatkm Delilm- woukl Iik9 to loww these*details so that this ate— have been taken to achieve success, House can fbrm the proper perapective of and they hav^ achieved unparallejed suc . that situation. cess. That is the daim of the Government. . As we rbad jn the newspapera, the We woukl yke to know the details about senseless killings of innocent people-ara rwt * these actons whjch have been taken. Now, only going on out of the limiteof Punjab, but Operatbn Rush Out was carried out by the the^ ha»«e extended to different other States Anny in October la round up the temorists of this country also. and unearth thejr arms dumps espedaSly at% 668 Piac. ufidtr fUd»i93 A G R ^ Y A N N 20,1913 (SMKM) SlUuOonia various 670 EMtritfOlbn In L m S Older parts of ttt».Counliy piaoas Ike Rabtow^ and PaBamaNu and Then,asfaraskkinapping is concerned, dcnm kMwi araa of Srinagar. So. 1 would like no doubt there has always been a shift in the IheHoineMinistertDi^ details aboutthase policy from the very Iwginning til lo d ^ .' actions which they have taken in thecases of Therefore, my submissnn 4s that the time these Operation Flush Out and Operation has come now that weshouW have adefinie DaHwrattf which is the network of solid and firm fx>licy as far as kktfiappings are concrete bunkers espeddHy in vulnerable concerned. Kidnapping is done either fbr areas there. ' creating ransom or for getting released |he convwts of the under-lrial prisoners who ere TherefoGB, as far as the Gowemment is Involved in some heinous dIrimes. Therefore, concerned. It «v)pears that the Government tl)e Govemment shouU ^ a firm signal to . is very mriou^ taking action against the the miHtants. They have abeady.given that militants and tenorists ^ trying to squeeze signal in tiie cese of Mr. Radu that hereafter out aH these activities as far as not only we shal not release any convicts who are Kashmk and Punjjab are concerned, twt- kwolved in some criminal activities. That even the other States whfch are also d - signal was neeessaiy since kmg and I wouM fectsd by the tenorists’ activities. But I need congratulaletheGoyenHnentfor having given not emphasise that really speaking these that signal: The mffitants should knowttiat by are not the law and problems only. Really kklnapping somebody, they £annot get their speaking, ttiese are poTiticai problems. telesKlues released from the Government Therefore, unless poiticalsoiutionsarefound of htdia or from any other State. That firm out, We cannot expect these activities to go signal has beeii given and that shouM be down in a particular way. Therefore, as early continued. In that re s p ^ I would also sug- as possible, the Government shouM work g ^ ttiatkUnapping shouM be made a'prin- out political solutions to Punjab and Kashmir dpal offence and capital punishmeht must problems. Then only we can get the real be given to the kidnappers. This is a worid sohMfonasfarastheterrorist^secMskm- phencwmnon and throughout the woiM the ist activtties are concerned. That win apply to experience is that whenever ani amendment Assam also. My hon. friend has already is n)ade in the law provkling stem punish stated m detai11he diffk^lties of the Assa ment to tto kklnappers, then the crime to mese people and from tiiat point of view, that extern had gone down. That is tile expe- politk»l solutfon w|ll have to be found out|B ’ rience in USA and UKrSootiand has gotthe early as possible in order to meet the situ full recbrd of dealing witti kklnappers and ation that has l)Mn created in Assam due to they had taken certain steps. We ipust also ULFA activities, then. It is also connected ej^minewhatst^theyhadtakenanyifwe . with the external he^ and therefore, oo the canradopi those steps whkli are appropri^ ' diplbn&tk; level, these issues will have to be to this country, then I tiiink that wiH ato taken up with pur neighbouring countries create agood atmosphere to solve this prob^ and international pressure wiH have to be lem. Thersfore^theGovemment shoald think sufffoiendy brought on Pakistan to dose the again and examine tiie f easibiKty of bringing training camps and also the «ipp^ of arms law by Whkdi kklhapping is made a princtpaT to terrorists. Now, negotiation wUh China offence. I think,.tHiat wil also hejp to reduce are also going to take place. There is some this menace. ■ good response from UK and tfiere aresome ho^Mslhat USA win also take some steps to k i far as the other actiSitim 'are con stop th^e tracing camps in Pakistan. So, it cern^. name,ly tiie activkiM nvhich amount is notonly the job of the iHkxne Ministry abne, only to crime tMcause of several MKial pipb- buttfie Bc|)»mal Affairs Mini^akso'shouM . lems,mcannotd^witti4hdsethk)gsinthis ‘take up an these issues «Ah an our n e i^ ' pairtnular discusskxi because as stated in bours and try.to grt help from them in order ' the beginningiihis is confined to sece^nn- to solve all these problems. . ist and tenorist activities and kklrufipi^. 671 Hu/t193 DECEMBER 11,1991 Siuatbn in various 672 DatoriorationkiLmitrSiOrdar parts of the Country {Sh-ShaiadDigM k is now crystal dear that the Central Govefnment today has oocnpietely failed to Tharafore, I submit that w» should not counter terrorism. It was in the morning in deal wHh the whola pnblam in this Hous« just like broad day Hght kklnapping. when the today. That would be going too far because Romaniandjptomat, Mr. Radu waskkinapped then we can discuss atrocities on Harqans, from the crowded street of New Delhi. He atrocities on women. We can discuss sev also returned fay atrain after 48 ds^, whfch eral other problems and also try to analyse train was also a crowded one. During those and find out the social causes for all of them 48 days, he stayed in Delhi itself for some also but today we are confined to other days in some Gkivemment offkaaTs bunga- aspects. Therefore my submissnn is today tow and in JuHunder. At that time, your poltoe the Central Government should concentrate was so helpless and caUous. on the political aspects of those problems and also try to see that definite policy is laid I ^ it is the callous attitude of the down as far as kidnapping is concerned and Police. This is the adjective I out put to it. if possible, proper, suitable amendments are They were not able to do anything. The made in the laws so that iudnapping is made release of Mr. Uviu Radu from the dutches a principal offence. of the Sikh terrorists will not go to the credit of the Indian Government It was the West SHRI AlblAR ROYPRADHAN (Cooch ern powers, l^jmania. England, and Amer Bihar): Mr. Chairman, Sir, the terrorism, ica who tried to pressurise Pakistan to re secessionlsm and separatism is going on in lease Mr. Liviu Radu and it is known to us this country unabated. Killings and kidnap thatthe Under-Secretary d State of USA Mr. pings are also going on. I feel 1% that when Iteszinland Berthtomiu had gone to Isla the discussKHi is going on in this House, the mabad and had a talk the Prime Minister Home Minister is really helpless. When I was and with the Presklent of Pakistan on the a school student at that time we used to read issue of reieaseof Mr. Liviu Radu. Mr. Reszin- Our ImSa. There was a passage in that land Berthtomiu went to Pakistan ^ he met lxx>k— India’s unity lies in its diversity. From the Director-General of lnter-Sen/k»s Intel Kashmirto Kanya Kumari, that is one natnn. ligence and particularly he had a tong talk But that conce^ has gone an^ it has gone with Mr. Afzal and Mr. Sajjad Asraf of ISI. when there was a partitnn of India on the Comrade S. Indrsyit Gupta also referred to K 15th of August, 1947. the dher day while moving 193 motton. K was dso a fact that these two persons Mr. I think, my BJP friends will also agree Afzal and Mr. Sajjad Asraf were the main with me that the majority fanaticism is more architects to operate terrorism in the terai dangerous than minority fanatknsm and that area d UP and Himachal Pradesh and Bihar Hindu fanaticism helps to create the condi- also writh headquarters at Kathmandu, Ne tnn to divkle India. pal My BJPfriends shoukl knowthat there is no ethics or morality if a Hindu kingdom I do not rike to gwe the figures as my aNows Muslim terroriststooperate. You boast friend, Shri Sharad Oighe has given just d Nepal being a Hindu country. But here our now. The killing is going on. We are not friend Nepal is giving shelter to Pakistani giving much importance to the fi^jre which Muslim terrbrisls. In the GuH War, Muslims may lie. 50 or 60 or 100 killings. But we are fought against Muslims. But Nepal being a human beings. We have to admit that when Hindu country, it is giving shelter to Muslim a chiM is killed, for its father and modwr, it is terrorists. Wedotake intemattonal dedstons a questkm of toss of their son or daughter. on economic grounds. They give shelter to When she bses her husband forthe wife t is these Afzal and Ssyjad Asraf. It is also known notaquestionoffigura butitisaquestnnof to us how the Congress Chief Minister d the kiss of her husband as she. in effect, tost Assam sakl that the AKa are being trained in everything. Bangladesh and Bangladesh Government 673 DbaumferRuferaS AGRAHAYANN 20,1913 (SM/C4) SHuaOon in various ^74 DetBriomtionin La w S O n h r parts of ttnCounby is behind Am tortorists of Nortli-Eastem fadlRies to the insurgent groups Ito the region. UnRed Liberainn Front of Assam. This is an allegation made by Shri HReshwar Saikia, A few days back there was a Confer the Chief Ministar of Assam. On what grounds ence in London on Kashmir issue under the he made such allegation? I am not going Into indirect initiative of Pakistan. H was held on the details. But if Shri HReshwar Saida's the last 17th November. In that Conference, actMtiesor hisspeedies arecondemnabie, the main speaker was the so called Prime we shall condemn them. But what right has Mnister Sardar Abdul Quaim Khan. It was the Deputy High Commissnner or the also reported that 13 Members of British Ambassador got to make such an allega- Parliament attended that Mematnnal Con tkm? Is this a right thing? Who gave him this ference. It is not a matter of joke when 13 right? members attended it They were present and naturally they spoke against India. Sir, there are so many diptomatic offi cials in this country. But all are not doing like My friends of the BJP were taMng about that. Regarding the Tm Bigha issue also, he revocatnn of Artkde 370. What is the posi- made some references. This issue is unnec tton? Withdrawal of Artkde 370 is a danger essarily givkig sometroublesomeposRtonto forthe natnn also. R is not only befcwe 1947. the three poOtical parties - the Fbnward Bksc, Now the mjyority communal feeKng is more the BJP and a section of the Congress dangerous. R is not the minority f undamen- people. In that Press Conference the Deputy taKsm. tt isthe nuyorily fundamentalism hlindu High Commissnner made an allegatnn. He fundamentalism which can destroy thecoun- sakl in that Press Conference that most of try, and if you move in this way, it will create the Indian Newspapers are in the habR of many problems in the future. making false propaganda against Bangla desh; the Press Reports are based on un Terrorism is not only a nattonal issue. R scrutinised infonnatbn and most of the is an intematnnal issue. What is the opinnn newspapers are irresponsible. From where of the hon. Mmister in this matter? Will the has he ^ this right to make such an allega hon. Minister please tell us his opinion? tnn? What is your High Commisskmer’s Offk» doing? Are they aware of it? Is ttie High Commissnner and tlie Ambassador aware . I think he has vwlated all the norms, of it? The motto of the Foreign Off ice isto eat, decorum, decent of an Ambassador. Al drink and be merry. I think you wiH never be ready, the West Bengal Government has able to counter terrorism if our Embassies sent a protest note to the Central Govern behave in this fashnn. I have got a newspa- ment asking R to take up the case wRh the percutiing. Itwasput>lishedverymuchinthe Government of Bangladesh. But I thmk this dailies Anand Bazar PatrSu, the Statesman, Central Government has not done anything Bartaman and Aaz Kal. Of course, all these tangi>le. This is your attitude when Shri are newspapere put>lished from Cakutta. HReshwar Saida took the posRbn that th ^ The Ban^adesh Deputy High Commisskmer terrorists are being trained in Bangladmh. Shri Syed Noor Hassain called a Press On that issue, the Bangladesh High. Com (Conference whwh is beyond the jurisdntnn missnner is makmg such a statement. of a diptomaL He caHed that Press Confer Regarding that statement, the West Bengal ence on 3rd December 1991 in Calcutta, in Government has appealed you to take up that Press Conference he sakJ that R is Shri the case wRh the Bangladesh Government. HReshwar Saida who is makbig a luxury of R has sent informatnn to you to start nego- polftieal adventurism. He made that a lk ^- tiatnnswRh the Government Bangladesh. tkm. But the Chief Mmister of Assam Shri Why is the diptomat makkig such a state HReshwar Saida made an allegation that ment? But you do not reacttothaL This is the Bangladesh is aUfaig and provkling training posRkxi. This is a very serious matter. e m Disc. WKtor Ruh 193 DECmiBER 11.1991 Stua0a iin m h u t 678 ’ tMerianOonin laiirS O nlB r paits of the Coantv [Sh; Amw Roy Pradh9f4 SHRI PmSTnKEY:Howmaiv Mem- bershehadSn? in 1Mb oomwction I appeal to the hon. • HomeMhtelertobesinoaratottiisoounttyln ftffl CHAIRMAN: Whatever miVbethe dealing wrilhthiB matter. Thafundamentafist number, is he not a Member of this Howe? foiees, eapaiatiBt fweee «nd aaceartonht \MMMvyou turn comes, I wMcal you. I*lease tofDesafsapreadingthelrug^headslhreagh- be seated. outtheooufitiy.Vtehawtotalwaoinestapa to stop Ihis. Lstlhe Govemnient ehak out a (Aitentpljofis) pngrafnnM.ilheGowamment would Nketo chalk out the pfbgiamme, that would be [riansiUM halpfuL The Government must look into the activities of the. fundamentalist foioes. R SR. S.P. YADAV (SanMfal): f have should ban such foices. been waHiiq tor my tiim for a tong time.
ItegaidlfigthesodaliybajBkwafdfiaaple ike the Scheduled Castes and the Sched uled Tribes, theGowemmentmustfind some sohitnn to solve their problems. Land Re- MR. CHAIRMAN; That wiU not got on formsmustbeimplenieniad infuH sothatthe recoid. problems can be solvedL The Government (MenupSonii must come fcMward to do this. Then only you can stop terrorism in this counUy. MR. CHAIRMAN: Whenever you gat the chance, I wiP cafl you. Wnh these words, I conclude. (Artamp- tibns) SHRI E. AHAMED (Manjeri): Sir, the country Is passing fliiough a sad and dan MR.CHAHMMI:ShriPk»ritk0y.What gerous phase. I wduM llte to pivtiapale in do you wagt? Shri E. Ahamed, pleaMtake this discussion with a mixed feeKng; mixed your seat Shri Pius Tnkey, what is your point feeling because, on the one hand, we find ofoidar? some elements who are on inimical terms wKh the peace and tranquiMy of this House SHRI PIUS Tim E Y (A l^ u a rs ): Vfe and on the other hand, the terrorists, mili- have got four Membets. There are some tante and also criminals, who ar creating not parties having two Mefribers, one Ittefflber only law and order problems but also are eto. But they have so far not been given the posing a threat to the veiy unity of the coun chancetospeak.ThatBwhy lam asking you try. But, unfortunately, they are people who •Sir, as to what is the order-partywise-toeal al atong the line are fiaving ultra communal the Members who wanttospeakon behalf of fadings and propagating a divisbn among their party? the people. At the same time glad that, we find sobre and* matured elements who want IffL CHAIRMAN: I am calling accord peace inthevotmby by even putting upastiff ing to the Older that was already prapand. oppoaitton to these terrorists, militants and the criminals.'*«(ho are creating vtolence, SHRI PIUS TRKEY: No, not according kWings and also law and order problems. totheorder. Under these circumstances, we al shouM stand as one natkxi to protect the sacred MR. CHAIRMAN: I have caPed Shri vahjes of our founding fattiers of this nation Amar Roy Piadhan. who isfiom theFbnvaid and also to protact the very unity and int^- BkKk. rity of this country.
*^racoKled. 677 Disa AGIW ^ Skuation in various S7B MMk)PB0on mUim^ O parts of m ConnUy I do nor m m to take much of iKa^ bound areas, only the k>cal MP was alk>wed. M b lim a^ Hiie House narrating what the Such things are happening unfortunately in hon. Members have said yesterday and this country. What is Irightening is not just iDds^. I would ll(b to confine mysetf to only the death toll on account of the policebrutal- one or two points namely communal killings ity which became a common feature, but that haveftieen tiMng placein the what is frightening is the people’s tosS of the last seveial years. I have with me the conf kienca in the Govemment, the Govern answergivenbythe hon. Minister of State for ment machinery and the impartiality of the Home. Shri M.M. Jacob to uhstarred ques- system. It is a dangerous phenomenon in tk>n Na 566. According to the hon. Minister, this country. in 198914communal riots have taken place in the country. ki 1.990 it w ^ 24. And in the Therefore I request the hon. Home riot that took place in 1989. the number of Minister to have a sy^m by whbh no guilty people who were killed as a result of this polk» offk:ial or pdk^eman shall escape. communal riots was 915 kiduding 413 per Otherwise it will be condoning the polk» sons in Bagalpur. In 1990, inthe24riotstook misdeeds, the consequences of whk:h will place according to the official reports, the befarfar larger than the death unfortunately people killed ¥vere 692. including 113 in taken place in Varanasi. Therefore the Hyderabad and 112 in Algarh. In 1991,24 administration shouki behave in an impartial riots took place not including the Varanasi way. riot where the death toll has not been shown so far. Quite unfortunately the menace of communal rbts has grown as a cancerous These killings have been taking place in disease on the body politic of our country. this country, ademocratk:country, acountry We all should put our heads together to find committed to secularism! This is really rep- out how we will be able to stop it or atleast to rehensi>le. The members of the minority prevent it. Perhaps that will be one of the community feel insecure under the circum greatest services that we people wifi be stances prevalent in the country. doing for this country.
In the recent past there is a sharp de I am of the view that the propaganda let cline in the law and order situatk>n. The loose by some of the politteal parties or some polk^e had been used to suit the political of the people who are on Inimical terms with designs of the mling party In some States - a some religk>us groups is one of the reasons point fiere to mentnn is the case in Uttar for this communal riot. A case in point ac Pradesh. The recent riots in Varanasi about cording to me is, there are some elements whk:h there were mentbns in through the and parties whk:h are propagating some House though not discusised threadbare, myths about the minority community andthis there were some discussons and opinbns aroused a strong sense of resentment among expressedonthefkx>roftheHousewhere it the common people in the msyority commu has t>een menttoned that the killings couM nity. They will be kx>king down upon the have been avokled had the police done their members of the minority community as duty impartially. unpatriotk: and also as anti-national. Such things later goto uncontrollable levels result Unfortunately we find, it is very much ing in the communal killings in this country. disgraceful for the Government, that the State constabulary, the police, had been 17i)0 hrs. taking part in the killings of innocent people on religkNis ground. It is very much disgrace It is not con'ect to say-even to maintaln- ful. Also in Varanasi it has been mentbned in that the Muslims of this country are not part the House that while no other political party of the mainstream. We are and they are. The leader was albwed to enter into the curfew mainstream cannot be monopolised by any 679 Disc, under Rule 193 DECEMBER 11.1991 Situaiion in various 680 Deterioration in Law & Order parts of the Country [Sh. E. Ahamed] Kashmir with the people of Indian Unk>n. That cannot be done with bullets;that can not section of people or any group or any party. be done by bullying. Therefore, people like One cannot distinguish t>etween the relig Shri Farooq Abdullah and the secular, na- ious identity and the national identity. Jews ttonal elements like him are to be taken into in America had a strong sense of separate confbence. We have also to go and speak to identity, h is not necessary that a separate the people of Kashmir in their own language. identity implies a separate national identity. We have to use the word to attract their Late lamented Maulana Abul Kalam Azad hearts. Mere argument and propaganda of was a personificatbn ot both national iden this kirKi will not do. It is in this context that I tity and religious identity. Therefore, any say the Ekta Yatra taken out today by the propaganda by any interested element in BJP was quHe unfortunate. It will divMe the this field should be stopped. The duty of the people. Therefore, it is time for every Indian- administration is also to ensure the safety who tove this country, who has a commit and security of the minority community. May ment to this country and who has the na- I mention a few words about the speech tk>nal commitment to maintain the unity and made by my learned friend, Shri Khurana. integrity of the country - to join together and yesterday in the House? During his speech, stand as one man against the fissiparous he has criticised some of the views of Shri tendencies, against the elements who are Farooq Abdullah, the son of Kashmir. I am divkJing our people. That is going on to divide not holding any brief for Shri Farooq Abdul .the very hearts of the people. That will be a lah and I am also not in agreement with many dangerous phenomenon for the country. of the things that he has done during his tenure. But one thing we must say and that So. all of us should stand as one man to isthis. It was Shri Sheikh Abdullah along with meet the dangers posed to the country. At great Jawaharlal Nehru who were respon the very same time, may I say that the sible for the instrument of accession. People minority community should be given protec like Shri Farooq Abdullah had been advocat tion? They must also feel a sense of security ing continuity and also committed to the of their lives, of their property and honour. natbn that Kashmir is an integral part of the country. That is our view. We will not alk>w SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: Does anybody to separate Kashmir from the In the Home Minister intend to tell something? dian Union. That will affect the numerbal strength of the Muslim minority in this coun MR. CHAIRMAN: He might have al try. We will be the first and the last people ready an arrangement. who will oppose any move by anybody to separate Kashmir from the Indian Union. SHRIS.B.CHAVAN:Actuallylhadgone Kashmir is an integral part of the country. to talk with the PoKice Commissbner Mrs. But, at the very same time, nobody can make Jetley, who happens to be the Secretary of the Kashmiris to give up their psyche and Mr. George Fernandes, was pbked up be their kientity. It is a psychok)gical matter. cause of the fact that some of the Tibetans They have their psyche and they have their were trying to get very near the area. That is kientity. We must also bring them into the why we did not want to take chance. But I natbnal mainstream. have asked them to release her immedi ately. In one of the speeches made by senk>r colleague of ours in this House, Shri Indrajit Since the House is going to rise at 6 Gupta, it has been mentbned that - it is a o’cbck. every arrangement will be made that quotable quote - 'We have the soil of the Members reach their houses well in time. Kashmir; not the soul of the Kashmir*. I also underline that it shoukJ be our endeavour, at SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: Have any cost, to see that we take the soul of you ordered the release of Tibetans? 681 CHse. under Aufo 193 AGRAHAYANN 20.1913 (SAKA^ Situation in vtvious 682 IMariomtion in ijm i Older parts of the Cotmlty SHRiS.B.CHAVANiThatlcant whatactionwastakenagainstthetenDrisls.
MR. CHAIRMAN: He cannot give that iTM h ra . undertaking. [MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the O ta ^ Now, Dr. S.P. Yadav will speak. Dr. Yadav, two Members have already spoken Sim'dariy, on 8th October, 1991 six po from your party. You passed some remarks licemen posted at Police Statton in Dha- a g a ^ the Chair. That is why I am giving you naura Mandi were killed by tenrorists but till this caution. now it is not known whether any actnn has been taken against the terrorists. RamlMla SHRI K.P. REDDAIAH YADAV: Out of was being organised at Rudrapur in Octo-, anger...... ber. There was a bomb blast during the Ramleela in which 55 persons tost their lives. MR. CHAIRMAN: One shouM know where he stands. This way, terrorism Is rampant in Uttar Pradesh in these days. Very recently athreat ITransbtion] appeared in the *Dabti( Jagran*. Jhansi of 6- 7 Decemberwhich we read and It was stated DR. S.P. YADAV: Mr. Chairman, Sir, In that report that the Polk» Chief (Director Under Rule 193 we are discussing the dete General of Polbe) and the Home Minister of riorating situatnn of law and order in the Uttar Pradesh won’t be able to see the dawn country with special emphasis on terrorism, of 1st January, 1992. It Is a vary serious killings and kkJnapping eta in the country. situatton, an alarming situatnn of course. It Is a matter tot>egivenseriousthoughtbythe Mr. Chaimian, Sir, I feel that terrorist Central Government but what coukl the activities in North India began with the crea- Central Government think in this matter is tnnof Bangla Desh in 1971. The fact is that well known to us. Ninth Lok Sabha was regk>nalism, economicdisparities. unempk>y- dissolved only because of the race for the ment favouritism, dishonesty, conuption, post of the Prime Minister and with the result fanaticism, historic events,politk»l and geo electtons to the Tenth Lok Sabha were heM. graphical reasons, cultural conflicts, laxity What was the law and order situatton during on the part of judiciary and increasing cor- the etoctions to the Tenth Lok Sabha? What ruptnn, inaction on the part of the Govern to tak of detertorated law and order situatton ment emptoyees all such reasons gave rise in Punjab. Bengal. Assam. Kashmir and to terrorist tendencies, killings and kkJnap- Uttar Pradesh, former Prime Minister, Shri pings in the countiy. Rajiv Gandhi was killed in Perumbadur. I wonder what the CBI and CID were doing? Mr. Chairman, Sir, I wouki nottak about Where was law and order? If at all dkl It exist, the tenrorists activities In Punjab and Ka how was it possible to kill the former Prime shmir. as many hon. Members have already Minister? He was killed and the entire coun expressed theirviews inthe House aboutthe try mourned his death but our Chief Electton killings by terrorists in these a r ^ . But I Commisstoner, Shri T.N. Seshan postponed wouM lice to speak, especially about Uttar the electtons for Legiskrtive Assemtily and Pradesh as I hail from there. The terrorism Partlamem by 25 days. It is not known how has spread from Punjab and Kashmir to many candidate suffered financial toss. Uttar Pradesh. This way many areas of Uttar Pradesh are In the grip of terrorism now. In It Is no use to discuss tenrorisni and September, 1991 aSDMandaKanoongoof kklnappings in our countiy. Is tt possible to VHaspur Tehsll of Rampur district were kkl- check such activities? We discuss things in napped near my constituency and they were this House only under some sectton and released inadramatic manner. Nobody knew leave them there in the House and forget. 683 D ba un der Rate 193 DECEMBER SHuatton in various 684 DeUHms^mLa^&Order fiartsof theCoim&y [Dr.SP.Yada^ I was coming to Delhi oh 22nd df the last month to attend the meeting of Public Ac Prior to this the Prime Minister was also counts Committee. My railway seat was lulled Very recently a freedom fighter, for reserved from Moradabad in the first dass mer Minister and asenidr leader was killed in compartment t)ut two polcemen entered the Andhra Pradesh. We pay homage and there cabin and started breaking H while uttering ends the matter and ho action is taken in the abuses. Later on both of them placed their matter. I believe that so k>ng as favouritism, rifles on the glass panes. In this regard. I had emptoyment, atrocities on and stippressbn sent complaints to the hon. Prime Minister, of people wiH oontincie . the proverb 'idle Home Minister and the Railway Mkiteter but mind is a deviPs workshop* will continue to no action has been taken in this mattersofar. prove true. There wont be any abatement in The sHuatton abbiA the Police has already terrorism, kkinappinp and killings. KkJnap- been made dear tiy the Member who spoke ping has become an industry these days and before me. If the Polk:e Administration is not many extremists, politicians and some daco- t>rought under control, the saviours will turn its have joined this industry. Uttar Pradesh is devourers. as they are virtually now. This will on the top in the incklents of kkinappings. not improve the situatbn in the country. It is There were 3878 cases of kklnapping in very necessary to put the under check. 1990. h is foltowed by Bihar, where 2138 cases of kkinapping took place. Then there Corruption is at its peak in Police Ad is Rajasthan where 2107 people were kkJ- ministration. There was a time when police napp^ and 2681 people wee kidnapped in was conskiered as the biggest corrective the Unk>n Territory during the past three department in the society but now it has years. The rate of ransom demanded per gone other way and the ten^orist undendes kkinapping in Ghazlabad and Delhi is Rs. 50 in the sodety are on the increase like any lakh each. Investmentwise it is the cheapest thing and there is a nexus between police industry and no actk>n is going to be taken. and terrorists. The hon. Home Minister shouki attach special importance to this discussion Mr. Chairman. Sir, therefore, keeping in with a view to bringing these terrorist tenden view the fast deterbrating situation, it wouki cies under control. I urge upon the hon. be t)etter to call a meeting of the leaders of all Home Minister that the discussion may not parties and form late a national polk:y and be reduced to a formal type of discusston. A then this poUcy shoukJ be implemented. Then meeting of the leader of all parties should be atone some solutton of the problem is pos convened and the points whtoh he consklers sible. Then forces engaged in combating good shouki be discussed in it for finding a terrorism possess inferior weapons. The solution. Otherwise coming days are very people having indumatton towards terror crucial and it would be very difftoult of solve ism are in possesston of the sophisticated the problem. We will think that if the Con foreign weapons. When six pbltoemen were gress Gtovemment has failed to save its killed in Dhanaura, they possessed 315 bore former Prime Ministers, how can it save the rifles and the terrorists had A.K.-47 and Ak- publto. It is a testimony to their incapability. 74 rifles. How unfortunate it is? I wouki like to suggest that the respected people of the With these words, Icondudemy speech. areas where tenxmst activities are on the increase shouM be given Itoences for AK-47 lEngUsh] rifles. If Itoences are issued for A.K.-47 and A.K.-74 rifles, people wouM be able to pro KUMARISEUA(Sirsa):Therehasbeen tect themselves. Beskies. polke protection an increase in tenx>rist acth^es in the coun shouM be provkied to the people livirtg in try and especially so in the north, where it border areas. The most important things is has spread outward from Punjab. In the past that the police itself shouki be brought under two to three years, tenx>rists have gradually control. Hon. Home Minister is present here. infiltrated into the States neighbouring 685 OteLundM-AGRAHAYM4N 20,1913 (S4K4) SiUiaOcm in various 686 D e tu h a ^ k iL a m tO n la r parts of thaCouiOiy Punjab^ viz. Haiyana, Uttar Pradssh and them or even challenged them. The people FUyasihan. are understandably veiy much upset about this. This is the resiA of a demoralised force Thera ham been many serious inci whidi is lleqiiipped and 11 trained to face dents in Haryana earlier, where the miitants such a situation. have struck with vengeance. Thera was a bomb blast ki Kurukshelra. there wera kili- The Central Government has admitted bigs in Daiyapur, Panipat. DabwaH, etc. The that with the depk>yment of army in Punjab, latest incidents in this chain have b ^ at pressure in the neqhbouring States has SirsaandTohana. naturally increased. Haryana itself has more than 500 Km. kmg border with Punjab com The State Government has ite o«m prising six districts of Ambala, Kurukshetra, problems, but the Central Government can Kaithal, Jind, ffissar and Siisa. We have a not escape from its rasponsbililies. Thera large Sikh population and people of different has been a shortcoming on the part of the communities have always lived together in Central Government, where intelligence peace and harmony hera. The situation is a^ndes are concerned. They have not been stilt very much retrievable because the ter able to provide timely inteffigenoe informa rorists do not have sympathisers hera. They tion to the States. come and go at wiH because the people fear them and the State PoUce is not able to It is a well-known fact that terrorists provide protectiontothe people. In fact many have better and much nwre saphisticated of the people killed or kidnapped have been weapons ttian the State police foioe. The skhs. in these border areas people should terrorists do not operate wfth anything less be given special dvil defence training. Li than A-12s and A-47S, while our poHce is left cences for arms shoukIt>egiven much more grouping with 303 riOes. The State Govern liberally to the people for their self-defence. ment has asked time and again for more equipment from the Centre, which includes As I sakJ, the other day, while Punjab AK-47S, SLRs cart>ines, transmitters, etc. has about 400 companies of paramiTitaiy forces, Haryana has only three, which I am Till now, the Central Government has sura you wiH agree is quite negligible. We not even decided as to what kind of weapons shouM tw given at least 10-15 mora compa be provkled to the State Polioe; nor has it nies. If we do not hsAre-enough CRPF com suppled anything sulistantial. The Central panies, I think %ve can raise more. It will also Government should deckle what kmd of provkle more empfoyment to the people, if weaponry it should decUe what kind of we inckide the damage! that lias been done weaponry it shouM give to the State and it in terms of human loss and other property rnust do so fast loss, it will be much less.
The State polk» does not have proper The Central Government should also training needed to combat terrorism. They give Rs. SOcrotes moretous, as requested need to be given different kind of trainkig to by our Government to protect the border face the new challenges. They can only areas. So that we can have mora pofice wieM stkteover the common man and when staUons,check-posts, vans, transmitters, etc, it comes to facing the tenorists, they do not in these areas, it shouM also aUow the State even come out of the poGce statkms. This Government to raise mora force which is was very much evklent in the recent fawklent bettertrakwd,andbetterequippedwithbetler at Tohana wfiera the terrorists spent about weaponry. This eiqpenditura should be met 45 minutes in the town, killing at will, even by the Centra. stopping and toading magazines in their AK- 47s. They oouM have spent even another The amiy operatkuis in Punjab atone hour there and nobody WDukI have stopped w9l not yieU any tangble results tMcause 687 Disc, under R uh 193 DECEMBER 11,1991 Situation in various 688 Deterioration in lM fS Order parts of the Country [KumariSeIja] of Shri Chenna Reddy, Congress got the msyority and that too with the help of naxal most of the terrorists have already moved ites. As a gesture, Shri Chenna Reddy, out to other States. There should be a con opened all the gates in the name of bringing certed effort by all the affected States to the tenrorist groups to the natk>nal main combat the problem and the Central Gov- stream. The history proved otherwise. They emment should act as the modal agency. are utilising the offer of Shri Reddy and collected crores of rupees for getting arms. The Central Government should face to They have entered the cities from the forest Its responsibilities and as has been said by area and in a span of three years, thousands many hon. Members, the problem of tenror- of killings not only of the Congress, but also ism should be treated as a national problem of our party workers in Nalgonda and War- rather than an isolated one confined to the rangal have taken place. They have also State of Punjab alone. killed the other oppositton party leaders in the name of elimination of caste/class ene SHRI B.N. REDDY (Miryalguda): Mr. mies. It also includes the recent murder of an Deputy Speaker, Sir, at the very outset. I ex-Minister. Shri Hygrivachari, a prominent should say that the detorriation of the law leader of the Congress was killed in the city and order situation is as a matter of fact a of Warrangal. In this w^y, now, the people’s product of the ruling party, that is the Con war group is actually ruling the northem part gress (I). It is the experience of our State of of Telengana.lt is alsc a fact that some of the Andhra Pradesh that some of the Congress ruling party leaders are encouraging the (I) ruling groups are in the habit of pursuing killing squads to kill people, bebnging to the the politics of murder In order to keep them Oppositk>n. So. in this way. it has back-fired selves in power. In the game of politrcs in the Congress (I) ruled State. order to maintain power, they even go to the extent of using naxalites for this purpose. There is a proverb in Telugu - Bhasmas- Many of our party leaders and also the ura hastham. The man who benefited from Opposition leaders were murdered. Someof Brahma was finished off by Brahma himself. the leaders who were murdered were S/Shri So. in this way. the Congress (I) Govern Sundarbassayya and Narsayya Since 1983 ment's polk:ies have backfired. Now. the thousands of our party leaders, and recently entire State is under terrorists' rule, under in the last year some nine leaders of Telugu the gun rule. This is the position. Desam Party, in one district of Andhra Pradesh, were murdered. In this way, doz Thank you. ens of our workers and prominent party leaders were murdered since 1983. ITransiathn]
During the last two years, nine Telugu SHRI RAM NAGINA MISHRA (Pa- Desam leaders in Nalgonda distrbt were drauna); Mr. Deputy Speaker. Sir. I am thank axed to death and eleven workers of CPI(M) ful to you for giving me an opportunity to and their leaders were murdered in the day speak. We are discussing today in the high light by their killer squads. To mentton afew, est forum of the country how terrorism can a prominent worker of our Party Shri Luda- be checked. Some of my friends rightly sakJ raiah, Sarpanch of Uppalancha was mur and I wouki also like to do some plain speak dered in the broad day light. Another Sar ing on it, that if a leader of the stature of Indira panch of Thakkelapady by name Shri Kishan Gandhi who was the Prime Minister of the was dragged out of the bus and was axed to country coukl not check it even after sacrif» - death. ing her life, we shouM be ashamed of it. The terrorism has been checked and tenrorists In the 1989 General Electk>ns - it is a are assassinating great men. In fact it in histor^al open secret - under the Leadership creased with each dose of medbine. There ' 689 Disc, under R u h 193 AGRAHAYANN 20,1913 (SAKA) Skuaiion in various 690 DBtBdoraUoninLMfAOrder parts of tfie Country fsasaying'Jyon Jyon DavaKiTeyonTeyon from Nep^ and flows down to Sonpur and Marz BadhtaGaya”. Terrorism spereadfrom Patna in Bihar is causing problem. It is caus Punjab to Kashmir, then to Assam. Madras ing a potential threat to the entire area. Our and finally even in Uttar Pradesh. area is on the border of Bihar and Uttar Pradesh and is adjacent to Nepal. The name Sir. the time at my disposal is very short of the tenrorist group operating there is the Kashmir. Punjab and Uttar Pradesh are most 'jungle party\ They claim that they will be afiected by it. Much has been said about mling that part of the land. They frequently Kashmir and someof my friends have pointed come to Uttar Pradesh and Bihar and forcibly out that the tenorism in the valley is primarily kkinap people for ransom. Not only this, they because of communalism. I would like to ask claim this ransom as levy* and say that they them, where is the communalism in Ka are collecting 'levy*. shmir? Some hon. Members sakJ that mi norities should be protected. That shouki Sir. I had visited that area bng back with certainly be done. All those who live in this the IG and DIG of Uttar Pradesh personally. country, in'espective of the religbn they may The Chief of Jungle Party had come to the profess. bek>ng to this country and shouM border at that time. He kkinapped many have equal rights. What crime had the Hin people of the neighbouring villages. Just dus in Kashmir Valley committed for which 2 sheer coinckience they kkinapped one per 1/2 lakh Hindus were expelled. Nobody is son of thdir own community. When that man bothered for them, is there any past of the plaade MANY HON. MEMBERS: Yes. [EngSsHi MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The sitting of SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD: Sir, the the House is extended by half-an-hour to time altotted for this is four hours. We have day. already completed nine hours. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Only nine hoursi [TranslatiorU SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD: Only nine SHRI SURYA NARAYAN YADAV hours. I think, t)y the time it is completed we (Saharasa): This was very important matter. may end up with ten hours. The sitting of the House shouM be extended by two-three hours or one more day should MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: We shall just be given forthis discusston. The hon. Minis try to complete. ter will reply to the debatr tomorrow. There fore, extent the sitting by the two-three hours. [Tran^aHorii The entire House is in favour of it. The issue is very important [EngBsh] [EngSsh] MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: There are 6- 7 Members who are very much in time and are waitii^ to speak. Therefore, it te better SHRI CHANDRA JEET YADAV: It may that we given them an opportunity to speak. take another half-an-hour. 701 J )is a under Rule 193 AGRAHAYANN 20,1913 {SAKA) Situation in various 702 Deterbratton in Law & Order parts of the Country [Translation] power, they do nothing. I can cite the ex ample of Assam. The All Assam Student’s MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Let’s see. Unk>n is A^am picked up the issues which how much can be completed in half-an-hour. the Congress Govt., couki never solve. But they themselves also failed miserably in [English] solving the problems. What happened dur ing their full term five years? They were all MR .DEPUTY SPEAKER: The point is engaged in grabbing money instead of solv that some of the hon. Members could not get ing the problems. When this group of boys a chance to speak. They may feel rather came to power, they were shifting from the agitated. It is better to give chance to every hostels of colleges and universities to the body. bungalows of the Ministers. Today they are all millbnaires but problems remained un [Translation] solved. Please also keep it in mind that the time These arethefew instances about whk:h is limited. I want to remind the hon. Members, specially the senbr Members to think over serbusly. SHRI LAETA UMBREY: Please don’t Today, the way the new political parties are reduce the time allotted to me. coming up, it seems the nubmer of politk:al parties will be fragmented to such a large [English] extent that in 20-30 years, each Members may represent a different party, thereby we MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Let Mr. will never have a stable government in the Umbrey continue.. country. The party whfeh will be in power will never be able to do anything other than SHRI LAETA UMBREY: I was mentton- depbying armed forces to control increasing ing that some drastk: amendments need to law and order problem. So, I request the hon. be done in our present democratk: set up. Members, partbularly the senk>r Members to think very serbusly about the tiexi bitty of > am not a constitutional expert. But I present set-up. have seen that the present set up has totally and miserably failed. We can judge it by so Sir, I do not want to say such about many examples. Many examples are still Punjab and Jammu and Kashmir, but I will fresh in our minds. just give a few points about what I have in mind. The main reason for the problem in Even if there is a stable Gk>vernment in Kashmir according to me is that the people the Centre and a stable Government in the are fighting for their shelf-respect, dignity States who rally are committed for the devel and honour it is the result of continuous and opment. some of the leaders who are aspi utter negligence on the part of the Central rants for power-power-mongers-they want Government and mishandling of the minor to raise certain issues- like Bofors. Mandir. issues of Jammu and Kashmir over many Rath Yatra, Ekta Yatra etc. They raise years, feeling of insecurity among the Mus issues and make hungama in the country. lim minorities and the most important reason They will try to take full advantage of it. We behind are continuous Army excesses must also see the reason behind this Yatra. committed on the innocent people of Jammu Whenever these people realise that their and Kashmir. presence are going to be forgotten, they will raise certain issues and then they will start Then about Punjab the reasons for the telling the peopleas if they are the champi problem are their fight for self-respect, dig ons of the masses, poor and down-trodden nity and honour the feeling of insecurity and people. And ultimately when they come to klentity of the Sikh minority. Their educatton, 703 Disc, under Rule 193 DECEMBER 11.1991 Situaiion in various 704 Deterhrathn in Law & Order parts of the Country [Sh. Laeta Umbrey] youth who are in the training camps are out, they will strike and it will be too late for us to economy and the hard working race made solve these problem at that time. So. the them feel that India is liability to them. That is government shouki act immediately in this why they are fighting. So, respect. The Govemmnt he recently deployed Sir, I therefore, feel the whole approach Army in Punjab. With the deployment of the to the North Eastern regk>n problem will Army you are never going to solve the prob have to be reviewed and changed. Now, the lem, you will never be able to conduct elec All Bodo Students Unk)n and the Ali Bodo tions peacefully there because I have seen problems Action Committee have given an the Army excesses myself in Assam Also, I ultimatum that if their demands are not met apprehend the same in Punjab. You will by 31st December, 1991, they will resume never be able to win the hearts of those their agitation and Bodo land being the people who are still on the balance. When gateway to the North Eastern States, if there they are subjected to torture, they will turn is an agitation in Bodo land, then the supply back towards the militants. That is why what of materials and foodstuffs to all the North I feel is that our approach to the problems Eastern region will be stopped. So, I would obattitude towards Punjab and Jammu and request the hon. Minister to call the Bodo Kashmir should be different from the pres Unbn and discuss with them about their ents the Government at the Centre is very problems. Then, there are so many demands much efficient and competent to deal with from different corners of the tribal people. I the situation. But my personal request is that hope the hon. Home Miriister who is very wehid have a Minister specially assigned for well experenced will definitely give sympa Punjab and Jammu and Kashmir because thetic attention to ail these problems. our Ministers in the Home Affairs are over burdened with so many problems, they do [Translation] not have enough time to devote to the prob lems of Punjab and Jammu and Kashmir. SHRI SHIBU SOREN (Dumka): Mr. So, there should be a Minister exclusively in Deputy Speaker, Sir. today we are discuss charge of Jammu and Kashmir and Punjab. ing the law and order situation in the country which is continuously woresening. If we go Then, about N.E. Regbn whenever the deep into it, we will certainly find a reason for leaders of the North Eastern States some to it. The main reason is the economy dispari Delhi to meet the Central leaders, they are ties existing in the country. This disparity never given proper attention and whoever can be of any type. Unemployment is alf^o a visits North Eastern region once in life be reason behind it. Today, the educated un comes the expert of the region. That is the employed and displaced unempbyed are most unfortunate thing. That is the most asking for a separate State and we take unfortunate thing. That Is why we have not actbn against them against them by brand been able to solve the problems in Nagaland, ing them as terrorists. We have to find the Assam and Tripura, in Arunachal Pradesh, ways to remove this disparity. Even those we have internatk)nal bordersfor about 1,700 graduates, who appear in a number of inter kms. in three directbns with Burma. China views and even get through in most of them and Butan. So the terrotisrts are recruiting do not get the jobs. Laws are enacted every^ the youth on a massive scale. This should be day, but they are not implemented. checked immediately. It is understood that the Chief Minister of Arunachal Pradesh has I am a tribal and I bebng to Jharkhand also apprised the situation in the State to the area whatever has been done for the Sched Home Ministry and requesterd for more help uled Castes, Scheduled Tribes and minori but nothing has been done in this direction ties till now, has been done only on paper. If so far. This is very unfortunate. Once the actually something has been done, it has 705 Dbc. under Rule 193 AGRAHAYANN 20,1913 (SAKA) Situation in various 706 Deterioration in l^ w A Order parts of the Country been done for men like me, who have be transfen^ed. This is the state of affairs in the come Members or have become educated country and we only talk about poverty. But and got job. Today, we only discuss the at the some time, we find that five-star hotels issue in the Parliament and the matter ends of the country remain always jam-packed. there. Why doni we go deep into it. From Therefore, I wouki like to submit that the where Punjab problem arose? The people of formation of small states shouki also be the entire world can never forget the atroci ix>nsidered, because this can solve a k>t of ties committed on the Sikhs followi..g the problems. Regarding unemployment, I wouki assassination of the former Prime Minister, like to suggest that as there are a number of Shrimati Indira Gandhi. The Members of factories in my area, and it is rich in coal, those families will take to terrorism only. The besides provkiing jobs, a ni*mber of other economicdisparcity ha^ reached its extreme empk>yment schemes can be started there. limits. The problem can only be solved if we A cooperative society shouki be formed for review it deeply. Our Jharkhand is very rich the unemployed who could get contracts in coal, iron and aluminium. The Govern from there and can earn Rs.1 thousand to ment is acquiring all our land. Our condition Rs. 2 thousand per month. But the millbn- is even worse than that of Bangladesh refu aires will also go in for those contracts. If my gees. Why such a polrcy is framed? If facto work has to be done in Bokaro or Ranchi, ries are to be set up, the reskJents of that contractors from Delhi and Punjab will reach village shouki also get some benefit from it. there. Such things give rise to terrorism. The But I woukJ like to know from the Govern youth of today understands as to whbh of his ment whether it had constructed houses for rights are being snatched away. them anywhere. Therefore, I think that it is not a very big You will be surprised to see the condi problem, but we make it so by raising it again tion of the houses constructed under the and again. If the youth get empbyment and Indira Awas Yojana. They will collapse in just their rightful dues, this problem can be solved. one jerk. Once I had asked the officials to The Adivasis and Harijans exploited by High stay in these houses for one night. I told them castes are now raising their heads. We, the that we would not be responsible in the event down-trodden, have suffered much. We did of house collapse. You are only giving ten many bwly acts. Time has come to make ders, but what is happening behind them. Gandhiji’s dream a reality regarding of the There seems to be no limit of economic k)wer people. Now, they have become quite disparity. conscbus of their rights. So it should be given to them otherwise there will be a clash Several hon. Members expressed their for whbh they are ready to adopt any strat views here. The Government should accept egy. the demand for small States. If it does so, there will be decentralisatbn of power and it I woukJ like to say further that in the will give happiness to the people. We don*t industries they shouki also be given partbi- want that the Jharkhand agitation should patbn. They shouki be given th<»ir due rights. take an extremist turn and hope that the And there should not be unnecessary legal Government will consider the issue. interference in their affairs. If these things are not don>«, extremism will continue to Today, extremism has come to every grow. The training of the extremism is being home. Rich as well as poor are taking to given in every house*in our Jharkhand area extremism. What can you say to them? The also wherebn the lines of Punjab, a ^rson sons of the wealthy are committing more is kidnapped and Rs. 10,000 is demanded crimes than extremists themselves. The son against his release. And he has to pay it even of a high ranking offk:ial or a Minister can do by selling his land. There is a wave of ex anything and no action is taken against him tremism whbh cannot be checked. It seems as influence is exerted. At the most he can be as if there is no law and order in the country. 707 Disc, under Rule 193 DECEMBER 11,1991 Situation in various 708 Deterioration in Law & Order parts of the Country [Sh. Shibu Soren] Minister. Shri V.P.Singh announced to give the backwards their rights, who are down Rather, I would like to say that the police trodden for the last two and a half to three Itself has become an extremist organisation thousand years. Shri Advani’s main purpose In which there are many who encourage was to suppress the very forces that talk of such things for making money. Had these secularism and social justbe. The same genuine problems been attended properly, tendeny is discernible even today when the the situatbn would have been a bit different. B.J.P. Presbent is on the Ekta Yatra It is But even today, no actbn is being taken in surprising and distressing when they daim that direction and as a result the ten'orism is themselves to be the folbwers of the Mary- growing everywhere whk:h is a major thereat ada Purushottam Rama, the path shown by to this country. him by his high character. But the person whodraws his salary without doing his teach Sir, this is an important issue. They are ing job in Univers^ is on the Ekta Yatra fighting for justice. The hon. Minister is pres today. ent here. He has also saki that if we want to avoki inckients taking place in Assam, Punjab Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. it is a matter of and Kashmir, a separate Jharkhand State great concem that the B.J.P. has started this must be consklered immediately. Sir, you Ekta Yatra to divert the people's attentbn have alarmed the bell many times, so I from its failure to construct the temple, if the conclude now. country’s unity and intgerity could be main tained from this Ekta Yatra only, then what is SHRI CHHEDI PASWAN (Sasaram): the need of this Lok Sabha and Vidhan Sir, the social, economb and educational Sabha No need of democratb set up. All of disparity is the root cause of growing terror us woub proceed on such Yatras. We woub ism, secessionism and kidnapping tenden not have raised any oli^ectbn if the national cies in this country. And a wrong politk:al unity coub have been achieved by taking out approach taken in 1971 to help in the crea Yatras. But I woub like to say it frankly that tion of Bangladesh which came into exis they started this Ekta Yatra just to divert the tence after the divisbn of Pakistan in two pubib attentbn from their failure to construct parts gave vent to the rise of these tenden temple in Uttar Pradesh. Their approach is cies of ten'orism and secessionist in our own like that of the monarch of Nepal which had country. granted liberty to its citizens to drink wine as much as they coub so that they coub not be Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the seed of enlightened about their rights. terrorism, secessionism and kidnapping was sown In the country ip 1984 when after the What is needed most in the country assassinatbn of Shrimati Indira Gandhi in today is that we will have to pay attention to Delhi, 4 to 5 thousand innocent Sikhs were the factors that are responsible for growing killed in the name of communal riots. And the incbents of terrorism, kbnapping and kill then Prime Minister, Shri Rajiv Gandhi said ings. Any act of diverting the people's atten that the ear shakes when a big tree falls. tion in which media is also playing a great Such thinking gave rise to terrorism in the role will not be tolarated any bnger. I would country. like to warn even the media that the pubib of this country is not going to tolerate it for bng. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, apart from Since media is In the hands of few people- an that, our opposKk>n leader, Shri Lai Krishan privileged class who have intellect and writ Advani, to whom I hokJ in high esteem, dkJ ing power, they dominator the Press. So the not pay his attentbn to our 14000 square people wiir not even spare the media per kibmeters of land occupied by China, grow sons. I woub like to submit to all to be ing price-rise and unempbyment but he went cautbus failing whbh the pubib of this on his Rath-Yatra when the former Prime country woub not spare them. 709 Disc, under Rule 193 AGRAHAYANN 20.1913 {SAKA) Situatbn in various 710 Deterioration in LM f & Order parts of the Country Even the Pilibhit incident is responsible country. A poet has sab. for growing terrorism in terai region of Uttar Pradesh. It is due to the wrong policy of the "Jab siyasat ke nigeban ye hawa dete Uttar Pradesh Government. It Is a counter hain actbn against the killings of innocent per Aag shahar mein dangai laga dete hain sons at Pilibhit. Aap takb bhi karte hain bach bach ke chalen I come from Bihar and Varanasi is ad- Aap he rahon mein kante bhi bhchha jacant to my area. What was the reason of dete hain.” the riot that tool place there on the 8th? After sprinkling oil on the minorities they were Bihar is a glaring example where we bumtto death on the road. All this happened hold the polbe. the S.P. and the D.M. tained under police protectk>n. PoFice did not take collectively responsible for controlling riots. any action. In reactbn to that, the Muslims All of us should learn a lesson from it so that and Sikhs killed some of the Hindus on 13th. riots in the country may be controlled. I would like to say it frankly that on the one hand the Members of the Rajya Sabha are I would like to make a suggestbn re not allowed to visit that place and on the garding Punjab also. There must be inter other. Shri Shreesh Chandra Dikshit moves state transfer of the bcal police personnel of about in the entire Varanasi chy, gives direc Punjab. Only then ten'orism can be con tions to the police and Administratbn sug tented. gesting them the ways to terrorise the inno cent persons and put them into jail. So. Now I come to the matter of land reform. undersuch circumstances, howcan wecheck On the one hand there is a person who has the terrorism and secessbnism in the coun surplus land in thousand of aerer and on the try? .^\s bng as the labour and labourers are other hand, there is a man who has no land neglected, terrorism will not come to an end. even for living. When he tries to make a I submit to all to take every care to solve house on a pbt of land, he is driven away by these problems in time. the land-brds. As bng as such disparity exists, peace in the country is not possible. As far as the problems of Kashmir is When we were in the Govemment, we had concerned, it is mainly because of giving all attempted to include the need of land re the powers in the hands of one family. The forms in the Ninth Schedule of the Constitu funds allocated through the budget for the tion. But in the mean time our Government development of Kashmir were used merely stepped down and we could not implement for the devebpment of one partbular family it. though we had already made a provision and rest of the poor and educated youth to the effect that the land brds. who have remained unempbyed. The result is that land more than the ceiling coub not move terrorism is on increase in the valleys of courts in case their land is distributed among Kashmir. The hon. Home Minister is present. the landless. The Government should take He may pay his attentbn to my views with firm actbn in including that provision in the regard to Kashmir if he had an open mind. I Ninth Schedule of the Constitutbn. Thereaf had inten^iewed some of the C.R.P. Jawans ter only poverty can be eradbated from the regarding the measures to check tenrdrism country. There is a proverb in our Bihar. in Kashmir. Those Jawans suggested that 'Khali baitheshaitani sujhe* an empty mind is this problem could be solved to a great devil's workshop’. A man having no work is extent if allthe leaders started hokiing corner bound to indulge in wrong-doings. The talk meetings. No matter if it is done in the polbe about quality Is meaningless unless unem- protectbn. So in order to solve that problem pbyment is there in the country. every effort should be made to hold such meetings there. There is hand of politbians Mr. Deputy Speaker. Sir. I would con behind every riot or ten'orist activity in the clude after submitting it that the B.J.P. is 711 Disc, undw Rule 193 DECEMBER 11.1991 712 D^orioratkmkiLmSi Order pwtfo/ fheCotmt^ MR.DEPU rV SPEAKER: Thaw are ie fSh. ChhediPaswan] names. U each Members speaks h r five taking out Ekta Yatra tor supressing the minutes it will be more than one hour. forces w'lkh taJk of social Justice and secu- lamm. It wB! not solve the pnMems of the SHRI S.B.CHAVAN: Then. I request country. With those few words looncluda. you not to give more than 45 minutes fortdl the Members who are going to speak. There [E n g m ] after, I will reply. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: There are MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: In this case, some more people who want to participate in we shall have to confine ourselves. This is the debate. If the House agrees, we shall not a good president that we have set today. extend the sitting by half-an-hour. If that It is just to aocommodate all the hon. does not happen, then some p.>ople who Members, though this is much against the come early tomorrow will take the opprotu- existing norms. Anyhow, since this happens nity and those who are waiting now will lose to be an extraordinary cirr*umstance, we are their chance of speaking. Therefore, we can doing this. extend the time now itself. 18.41 hrs. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Please ad journ the House now Sir. [MR.SPEAKER in the Chaii)] SHRI S.B.CHAVAN: I think the best MR. SPEAKER: Well . I was hearing course wouki be, even if you adjourn the wh^ you were discussing here, in the House. House now; tomorrow only those names The only problem is that we have decided to which are listed now will be called upon to discuss many other, topics. This is one of the speak and then I will reply. No new names topics. Then, we are going to discuss the shouM be included tomorrow. economic situatbn and also about the Exter nal Affairs Ministry.lt was decided that this SOME HON. MEMBERS: We accept K. topic will be taken up on the day on which it was mentioned on the Agenda and it will be MR.OEPUTY SPEAKER: I shall read completed on the same day. Otherwise, we out the names. If any names are left out, it would no' be able to go to the other topics. may be pointed out. I will call only the names Yesterday and today we have discussed it. If which are listed. we continue to discuss It tomon'ow. then other topics will not come up. So. my request Shri Kirip Chaliha, Dr. K.O. Jeswani, to you is. ket us complete the debate today ShriBheem Singh Patel, ShriSuKan Salahud- and the hon. Home Minister will reply tomor dingOwaisi, ShriTej Narayan Singh, Kumari row. then, we will go to the other topics. Frida Topno, Shri Dharm Pal Singh Malik, Othen^/ise. it would not be possible for us to Shri Anantha Venkata Reddy, Shri Santosh discuss other items, like economic situation. Kumar Ganwar, Shri Chandra Jeet Yadav, External Affairs Ministry and pubik: sector Shri Girdhari Lai Bhargava, Shri Oscar Fern undertakings. andes, Shri Chinnasamy Srinivasan, Shri K.P. Raddaiah Yadav, Shri S.S.R. Rajendra SHRI S.B.CHAVAN: There is only one Kumar and Shrimati Basava Rajeswari. request that I have to make. I have called for a. meeting of the prominent people from SHRI S.B.CHAVAN:The list is too k>ng. Punjab, tomorrow. That meeting is going to I wouU rather writhdraw my suggestion. Let continue till about 2 o’clock. So, you can the hon. Members sit today and complete deckie about the time of my reply, any time their speeches. after2o'ck>ck. 713 Disc, under RiJe 193 AGRAHAYANN 20,1913 (SAKA) Sitiuibn in various 714 Deterioration in Law A Order parts of the Country MR. SPEAKER: Okay, that we will do. Secessbnism itself has got different facets. Seccesionist movement in Kashmir SHRI CHANDRA JEETYADAV:Sir,we has got a historical perspective, in Punjab, it can take it up tomorrow, since the Home may have something else. Minister is saying like this. Secessbnisrn In Assam is different in MR. SPEAKER: Shri Chandra Jeet chvacter from the secessionism whbh is Yadav, let us do one thing. Today we will sit there in Punjab or in Kashmir. So. each topic upto 7 o’clock and speak. If there are some needs a detailed discussbn. Each topb has more hon. Members remaining, then we can its own aspects. I think, it is impossible for do It tomorrow. Otherwise, it wouM not be one speaker to do justbe to all the aspects of possible to discuss it. this topb. Naturally, coming from Assam and bebnging to the ruling party, I think, I have to (Interrupfib/is) highlight a little more about Assam and the North-East in the general perspective. While MR. SPEAKER: I see that you are doing so, I woub not like my maiden speech making very good speeches. We would also to be an isolated event. I would like to com like to hear them, but the time is very limited. ment here and there on social terrorism also. I was hearing all the speeches from inskie. In fact, I had been seeking this opportunity Now, Shri Kirip Chaliha whenever there was discussbn. Unfortu nately Shri Ram Vilas Paswan is not here. 18.43 hrs. But Shri Chandra Jeet Yadav is here. He has been a fighter for social justbe ever since SHRI KIRIP CHALIHA (Guwahati): Mr. eariy days. He has been a very senbr Con Speaker, Sir, I thank hon. Shri Indrajit Gupta gress leader. Though he left us, and is sitting for initiating this discussion in this House. here. It is social tensbn that leads to caste This is a very important subject. This is the conflicts. I think that it is not proper only to most vital subject, concerning our future, blame the Government for all the evils that present and the past. It involves not only the are taking place. It is not proper to blame the general law and order situatbn. but also the Congress party for all the evils that are taking general economic situatbn, the handling of place because these evils are not so simple the economic situatbn since its beginning in nature. They are very complbated. They and the socio-economic and political situ are all products of the evolutbnary process ation since independence and even before of devebpment and have vital and intrinsb independence. defects right from the beginning. It has something to do with our psychology, some Many things are inter-related to it and It thing to do with our religbn, something to do is very difficult to do justice to the whole with our system or society and something to subject. But stiir, something is better than do with governance. Somehow or the other, nothing. we wish to forget it. For example, suddenly we find that there is escalation of caste I feel that certain aspects can be high conflicts today. The greatest champion in lighted and certain other aspects can be left these matters is. of course. Shri V.P.Singh. for other speakers. You may take terrorism, After leaving our party, he became totally for example. There are varbus kinds of concerned about caste differentiation but terrorism. We have terrorism in relatbn to the simple point the people seem to have secessbnist which of course, is the most forgotten, is that. pertinent one today. We havetenx>rism, ^ a l terrorism, as you say, dowry (deaths, mafia, I have never heard during the discus dacoitse and gangs like Bombay’s gangster sbn about the caste differences as to. Why terrorism. So, we have so many types of is it that there is not a single instance of terrorism. vblence in places like Assam and the North- 715 Disc, under Ruh 193 DECEMBER 11,1991 Situation in various 716 Deterioration in L a w & Order parts of the Country [Sh.Kirip Chaliha] justify them by simple blaming a party or a Government. East or in Bengal? Have you ever pondered over it? Why is if that Bengal or Assam is free I am not going into the details about the from lasteism? We have even bitter eco North-East I woub like to be as brief as the nomic exploitation going on there. Even bit unity of Janata Dal leaders. I will Just finish ter social differences are going on there. my speech. In the North-East, Nagaland has Why are they not caste-conscious there? different history of secessbnist. Naga people Not politics but there must be a social revo had the sense of isoiatbn. They are getting lution. A revolution on social platform may be assimilated now. In the process of assimila a type of religbus reformation movement tion, they have yielded. I must tell you that which Assam witnessed in the 15 th century the future of India lies not in the process of due to which casteism became non-existent. caste differentiatbn or religious differentia I am supposed to be product of so called high tion but in the process of assimiliation with caste or low caste. In our religbus ceremo the national mainstream. Similar must be the nies, it is the scheduled caste person who approach in most of the North-East. When destributes the prasad. These are the tradi Army was bought in, in Assam in this very tions. These are the rules which we have to House, I justified the Army going to Assam ponder over to remove the evils of casteism. and sab that the Indian Army should never be treated as invading Army. Situatbn has Similarly, about Kashmir and Punjab, is come to such a pass that sending army has the situation same in nature as that in Assam become inevitable. There is infiltratbn in the or in Nagaland? I feel that while talking about administration. There is infiltratbn and ter Kashmir and Punjab, the primary emphasis rorism in the administrative machinery due should not be on condemning the Govern to whbh a new situatbn has developed ment. But the primary emphasis should be whbh the polbe is not able to tackle. But on the audacity of foreign powers, especially seeing today's devebpments taking place in Pakistan. It is very sad to hear Members Assam and as the Home Minster is present saying here that this sHuatbn has started here, I would like to point out one thing. because of the Bangladesh War. Bangla Exprience shows that in the long run, Indian desh war had a different history of being Army has not been suitably trained to tackle liberated. We should not be blamed for that. problems like that of Assam. They have their Indian Government's approach to Bangla own problems and that creates problems not desh was never wrong. Because of that, we only for the people of Assam but for the justify Pakistan’s actbn today? Pakistan is Government and for all of us. I feal that in the doing something which is worse than a bk>- light of secessbnism and secessbnist togbal warfare. His unfortunate. I must say movements, the Indian Government must that our Home Minsters, our Defence Minis realise that separate trained police force is ters, our Central Ministers have not been needed to deal with the law and order situ able to have the guts that are necessary to ation in sensitive areas of the country. Eve teach Pakistan a lesson and to tell them to rybody has pointed out the inadequacies of keep tneir hands off from India. We must the police system. We know that there are have a political will as a whole and not only inadequacies in the polbe system. as a Congress Government. We shouki not find out weaknesses of the supposed minor MR. SPEAKER: Please try to ocon- ity Government on such issues. We must clude. rise above partisan attitude during our ap proach to certain vital social and politbal SHRIKIRIP CHALIHA: Sir, as I am from problems problems whbhintrnige upon our Assam, give me liberty to speak for some sense of patrbtism, problems whbh hurt our more time. natbnal sentiments, problems whbh spring from intematbnal conspiracies, we cannot What is happening today in Assam is of 7 17/»saun(fer /?ufo 793 AGRAHAYANN 20.1913 (SA/C4) in various 718 DeteriwaOon in Law s Order parts th»CounHy a vary serious nature. If you do not realise it, Speaker. Sir. we are discussing the law and then as I said, seoessionism in Assam will order situatbri for the last two days in this spread Uke Punjab and Kashmir. If you do House. The law and order sttuatnn in the not take the right decision at the right time, whole country is quite embanassing. There then Assam may go lice that of Punjab and is social inequality and economk: disparity Kashmir tomorrow. We are all aware of the throughout the counfay and I wouki lite to situation in Assam. If you do not get the say something about it confidence of the people of Assam, then Assam may become like Punjab or Kashmir. Harijans are prevented from entering So, this Is the right time fbryoutotakeiK:tion. the temple in this country. Just take the You have to once again review the entire example of Jaganath Temple, no Harijans policy regarding Assam and take some can enter it Once a sentor congress leader concrete peace initiatives to see that the the late Babu Jagjivan Ram had garlanded slkie towards secessnnism in Assam dos the statue of Purnananda in Varansi and not grow. When Army was sent to Assam, after his departure from there that statue there was hardly any resistance. I can still was purified. The condition is so worse that say with conf Menoe that hardly two to three Harijans are not alk>wed to sit on the same per cent of the people support the ULFAand cot Would not the kith and kin of a person so nobody wants to go out of lndi& I am Assa maltreated be forced to turn towards tenror- mese first and I am an A^m ese last. I am ism? an Indian first and I am an Indian last. I will face the bullet to fight for the cause of As People in powerforthe lastforty to forty- sam. I represent this State. four years have been foltowing the policy of DivkJe and Rule. Laws are enacted for the I think that there are certain reasons forupliftment of Harijans but they are not prop whk:h alienatton of Assam has been taking erty implemented. The laws meant for the place. This alienation has been there due to welfare of Harijans are not implemented. certain political reasons. Many types of agitatbns are going on in the country. Government does not seem to be MR. SPEAKER: Kindly conclude. Time concerned at aH atiout what is happening in is short. various parts of the country, such as l>unjab, Assam, Kashmir, Bomt>ay and Terai regkm SHRI KIRIP CHAUHA: That is why. I of Uttar Pradesh. It is a matter of deep regret feel that a certain political initiative in regard that the Ambassador of Romania in India to Assam should be taken at the right time, was kklnapped in broad-day light in Delhi. when opportunity is available, we have to An atmosphere of murder dacoity tooting seize that opportunity and forthis. I appeal to and kklnapping is prevailing all over the the entire House to find out as to how best country. Assam problem can be solved. Do not leave tt to the Government or to any politk»l party. I wouM like to draw your attentnn Bihar How many of you have bothered to go to you shouM leam a lesson from Chief Minis Assam or Punjab or find out what is happing ter of Bihar. I do not find any difference there? Piecemeal solutkms to cancer will not between the people of BJP and ruling party. stop cancer. We have been given dnjgsfor Both of them want to rule the country. Ruts diarrhoea viral fever but the disease is can do not take place in Bihar but in all States cer...(/!ntom4p Printed at: S. Narayan & Sons, Delhi-110006.