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Environment and Sustainability Committee Meeting Venue: Committee Room 3 - Senedd Meeting date: Thursday, 5 February 2015 Meeting time: 08.45 - 13.35 This meeting can be viewed on Senedd TV at: http://senedd.tv/en/2707 Concise Minutes: Assembly Members: Alun Ffred Jones AM (Chair) Mick Antoniw AM Gwyn R Price AM (In place of Jeff Cuthbert AM) Russell George AM Llyr Gruffydd AM Julie Morgan AM William Powell AM Jenny Rathbone AM Antoinette Sandbach AM Joyce Watson AM Witnesses: Carl Sargeant AM, The Minister for Natural Resources Amelia John, Welsh Government Louise Gibson, Lawyer, Welsh Government Claire Germain, Welsh Government Owain Morgan, Welsh Government Committee Staff: Alun Davidson (Clerk) Catherine Hunt (Second Clerk) Adam Vaughan (Deputy Clerk) Peter Hill (Deputy Clerk) Gwyn Griffiths (Legal Adviser) TRANSCRIPT View the meeting transcript. 1 Introductions, apologies and substitutions Apologies were received from Jeff Cuthbert. Gwyn R Price attended as substitute. 2 The Well-being of Future Generations (Wales) Bill - Stage 2 - consideration of amendments 3.1 In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the Committee disposed of the following amendments to the Bill: Amendment 23 (Carl Sargeant) In favour Against Abstain Mick Antoniw Russell George Julie Morgan Llyr Gruffydd Gwyn Price Alun Ffred Jones Jenny Rathbone William Powell Joyce Watson Antoinette Sandbach 5 0 5 Amendment 23 was agreed As amendment 23 was agreed, amendment 120 (Antoinette Sandbach) fell. Amendment 24 (Carl Sargeant) In favour Against Abstain Mick Antoniw Russell George Julie Morgan Llyr Gruffydd Gwyn Price Alun Ffred Jones Jenny Rathbone William Powell Joyce Watson Antoinette Sandbach 5 0 5 Amendment 24 was agreed Amendment 25 (Carl Sargeant) In favour Against Abstain Mick Antoniw Russell George Julie Morgan Llyr Gruffydd Gwyn Price Alun Ffred Jones Jenny Rathbone William Powell Joyce Watson Antoinette Sandbach 5 0 5 Amendment 25 was agreed Amendment 160 (Llyr Gryffudd) In favour Against Abstain Llyr Gruffydd Mick Antoniw Russell George Alun Ffred Jones Julie Morgan Antoinette Sandbach William Powell Gwyn Price Jenny Rathbone Joyce Watson 3 5 2 Amendment 160 was not agreed Amendment 161 (Llyr Gruffydd) In favour Against Abstain Russell George Mick Antoniw Llyr Gruffydd Julie Morgan Alun Ffred Jones Gwyn Price William Powell Jenny Rathbone Antoinette Sandbach Joyce Watson 5 5 0 As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 161 was not agreed. Amendment 162 (Llyr Gruffydd) was not moved. Amendment 26C (Llyr Gruffydd) In favour Against Abstain Russell George Mick Antoniw Llyr Gruffydd Julie Morgan Alun Ffred Jones Gwyn Price William Powell Jenny Rathbone Antoinette Sandbach Joyce Watson 5 5 0 As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 26C was not agreed. Amendment 26A (William Powell) In favour Against Abstain Llyr Gruffydd Mick Antoniw Russell George Alun Ffred Jones Julie Morgan Antoinette Sandbach William Powell Gwyn Price Jenny Rathbone Joyce Watson 3 5 2 Amendment 26A was not agreed Amendment 26B (William Powell) In favour Against Abstain Llyr Gruffydd Mick Antoniw Russell George Alun Ffred Jones Julie Morgan Antoinette Sandbach William Powell Gwyn Price Jenny Rathbone Joyce Watson 3 5 2 Amendment 26B was not agreed Amendment 26D (Llyr Gruffydd) In favour Against Abstain Mick Antoniw Russell George Llyr Gruffydd Antoinette Sandbach Alun Ffred Jones Julie Morgan William Powell Gwyn Price Jenny Rathbone Joyce Watson 8 0 2 Amendment 26D was agreed Amendment 26E (Llyr Gruffydd) In favour Against Abstain Llyr Gruffydd Mick Antoniw Russell George Alun Ffred Jones Julie Morgan Antoinette Sandbach William Powell Gwyn Price Jenny Rathbone Joyce Watson 3 5 2 Amendment 26E was not agreed Amendment 26F (Llyr Gruffydd) In favour Against Abstain Llyr Gruffydd Mick Antoniw Russell George Alun Ffred Jones Julie Morgan Antoinette Sandbach William Powell Gwyn Price Jenny Rathbone Joyce Watson 3 5 2 Amendment 26F was not agreed Amendment 26 (Carl Sargeant) In favour Against Abstain Mick Antoniw Russell George Julie Morgan Llyr Gruffydd Gwyn Price Alun Ffred Jones Jenny Rathbone William Powell Joyce Watson Antoinette Sandbach 5 5 0 As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 26 was not agreed. Amendment 27F (Llyr Gruffydd) In favour Against Abstain Llyr Gruffydd Mick Antoniw Alun Ffred Jones Russell George William Powell Julie Morgan Gwyn Price Jenny Rathbone Antoinette Sandbach Joyce Watson 3 7 0 Amendment 27F was not agreed Amendment 27G (Llyr Gruffydd) In favour Against Abstain Russell George Mick Antoniw Llyr Gruffydd Julie Morgan Alun Ffred Jones Gwyn Price William Powell Jenny Rathbone Antoinette Sandbach Joyce Watson 5 5 0 As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 27G was not agreed. Amendment 27A (William Powell) In favour Against Abstain Llyr Gruffydd Mick Antoniw Alun Ffred Jones Russell George William Powell Julie Morgan Gwyn Price Jenny Rathbone Antoinette Sandbach Joyce Watson 3 7 0 Amendment 27A was not agreed Amendment 27B (William Powell) In favour Against Abstain Russell George Mick Antoniw Llyr Gruffydd Julie Morgan Alun Ffred Jones Gwyn Price William Powell Jenny Rathbone Antoinette Sandbach Joyce Watson 5 5 0 As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 27B was not agreed. Amendment 27C (William Powell) In favour Against Abstain Russell George Mick Antoniw Llyr Gruffydd Julie Morgan Alun Ffred Jones Gwyn Price William Powell Jenny Rathbone Antoinette Sandbach Joyce Watson 5 5 0 As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 27C was not agreed. Amendment 27H (Llyr Gruffydd) In favour Against Abstain Llyr Gruffydd Mick Antoniw Russell George Alun Ffred Jones Julie Morgan Antoinette Sandbach William Powell Gwyn Price Jenny Rathbone Joyce Watson 3 5 2 Amendment 27H was not agreed Amendment 27D (William Powell) In favour Against Abstain Russell George Mick Antoniw Llyr Gruffydd Julie Morgan Alun Ffred Jones Gwyn Price William Powell Jenny Rathbone Antoinette Sandbach Joyce Watson 5 5 0 As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 27D was not agreed. Amendment 27I (Llyr Gruffydd) In favour Against Abstain Llyr Gruffydd Mick Antoniw Alun Ffred Jones Russell George William Powell Julie Morgan Gwyn Price Jenny Rathbone Antoinette Sandbach Joyce Watson 3 7 0 Amendment 27I was not agreed Amendment 27J (Llyr Gruffydd) In favour Against Abstain Llyr Gruffydd Mick Antoniw Alun Ffred Jones Russell George William Powell Julie Morgan Gwyn Price Jenny Rathbone Antoinette Sandbach Joyce Watson 3 7 0 Amendment 27J was not agreed Amendment 27E (William Powell) In favour Against Abstain Russell George Mick Antoniw Llyr Gruffydd Julie Morgan Alun Ffred Jones Gwyn Price William Powell Jenny Rathbone Antoinette Sandbach Joyce Watson 5 5 0 As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 27E was not agreed. Amendment 27 (Carl Sargeant) In favour Against Abstain Mick Antoniw Russell George Julie Morgan Llyr Gruffydd Gwyn Price Alun Ffred Jones Jenny Rathbone William Powell Joyce Watson Antoinette Sandbach 5 5 0 As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 27 was not agreed. Amendment 28 (Carl Sargeant) In favour Against Abstain Mick Antoniw Russell George Julie Morgan Llyr Gruffydd Gwyn Price Alun Ffred Jones Jenny Rathbone William Powell Joyce Watson Antoinette Sandbach 5 0 5 Amendment 28 was agreed. Amendment 29 (Carl Sargeant) was not moved. Amendment 30B (Llyr Gruffydd) In favour Against Abstain Llyr Gruffydd Mick Antoniw Alun Ffred Jones Russell George William Powell Julie Morgan Gwyn Price Jenny Rathbone Antoinette Sandbach Joyce Watson 3 7 0 Amendment 30B was not agreed Amendment 30A (William Powell) In favour Against Abstain Llyr Gruffydd Mick Antoniw Alun Ffred Jones Russell George William Powell Julie Morgan Gwyn Price Jenny Rathbone Antoinette Sandbach Joyce Watson 3 7 0 Amendment 30A was not agreed Amendment 30C (Llyr Gruffydd) In favour Against Abstain Russell George Mick Antoniw Llyr Gruffydd Julie Morgan Alun Ffred Jones Gwyn Price William Powell Jenny Rathbone Antoinette Sandbach Joyce Watson 5 5 0 As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 30C was not agreed. Amendment 30D (Llyr Gruffydd) In favour Against Abstain Russell George Mick Antoniw Llyr Gruffydd Julie Morgan Alun Ffred Jones Gwyn Price William Powell Jenny Rathbone Antoinette Sandbach Joyce Watson 5 5 0 As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 30D was not agreed. Amendment 30E (Llyr Gruffydd) In favour Against Abstain Llyr Gruffydd Mick Antoniw Alun Ffred Jones Russell George William Powell Julie Morgan Gwyn Price Jenny Rathbone Antoinette Sandbach Joyce Watson 3 7 0 Amendment 30E was not agreed Amendment 30 (Carl Sargeant) In favour Against Abstain Mick Antoniw Russell George Julie Morgan Llyr Gruffydd Gwyn Price Alun