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PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICIAL REPORT GENERAL COMMITTEES Public Bill Committee DOMESTIC ABUSE BILL First Sitting Thursday 4 June 2020 (Morning) CONTENTS Programme motion agreed to. Written evidence (Reporting to the House) motion agreed to. Motion to sit in private agreed to. Examination of witnesses. Adjourned till this day at Two o’clock. PBC (Bill 96) 2019 - 2021 No proofs can be supplied. Corrections that Members suggest for the final version of the report should be clearly marked in a copy of the report—not telephoned—and must be received in the Editor’s Room, House of Commons, not later than Monday 8 June 2020 © Parliamentary Copyright House of Commons 2020 This publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Open Parliament licence, which is published at www.parliament.uk/site-information/copyright/. 1 Public Bill Committee 4 JUNE 2020 Domestic Abuse Bill 2 The Committee consisted of the following Members: Chairs: †MR PETER BONE,MS KAREN BUCK † Aiken, Nickie (Cities of London and Westminster) † Harris, Rebecca (Lord Commissioner of Her (Con) Majesty’s Treasury) † Atkins, Victoria (Parliamentary Under-Secretary of † Jardine, Christine (Edinburgh West) (LD) State for the Home Department) † Jones, Fay (Brecon and Radnorshire) (Con) † Kyle, Peter (Hove) (Lab) † Bowie, Andrew (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) † Marson, Julie (Hertford and Stortford) (Con) (Con) † Phillips, Jess (Birmingham, Yardley) (Lab) † Chalk, Alex (Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State † Saville Roberts, Liz (Dwyfor Meirionnydd) (PC) for Justice) † Twist, Liz (Blaydon) (Lab) Coyle, Neil (Bermondsey and Old Southwark) (Lab) † Wood, Mike (Dudley South) (Con) † Crosbie, Virginia (Ynys Môn) (Con) Jo Dodd, Kevin Maddison, Committee Clerks † Davies-Jones, Alex (Pontypridd) (Lab) † Gibson, Peter (Darlington) (Con) † attended the Committee Witnesses Nicole Jacobs, Designate Domestic Abuse Commissioner Pragna Patel, Director, Southall Black Sisters 3 Public Bill Committee HOUSE OF COMMONS Domestic Abuse Bill 4 (d) at 11.30 am and 2.00 pm on Thursday 11 June; Public Bill Committee (e) at 9.25 am and 2.00 pm on Tuesday 16 June; (f) at 9.25 am and 2.00 pm on Wednesday 17 June; Thursday 4 June 2020 (2) the Committee shall hear oral evidence in accordance with the following Table: (Morning) TABLE Date Time Witness [MR PETER BONE in the Chair] Thursday 4 June Until no later Nicole Jacobs, Designate Domestic Abuse Bill than 12.30 pm Domestic Abuse Commissioner 11.30 am Thursday 4 June Until no later Southall Black Sisters The Chair: Before we begin, I have a few points that than 1.00 pm we always make. First, please put your devices on silent. Thursday 4 June Until no later Latin American Secondly—a rule that I never understand—you cannot than 2.15 pm Women’s have tea or coffee in here, on the grounds that they are Rights Service supposed to be hot drinks. I would argue that it will Thursday 4 June Until no later Somiya Basar; Saliha have gone cold, but you still cannot have it. Obviously, I than 2.45 pm Rashid stress the importance of social distancing in the Committee Thursday 4 June Until no later Women’s Aid Federation Room. If at any time you feel that the social distancing than 3.15 pm of England; is incorrect, let me know and we will take action. End Violence Against Women Coalition We have a problem in that every member of the Thursday 4 June Until no later Refuge; SafeLives Committee cannot sit round the horseshoe, so some are than 3.45 pm having to sit in the Public Gallery. I would have liked Thursday 4 June Until no later Hestia; Gisela Valle, Step Members in the Public Gallery to have been able to than 4.15 pm Up speak, but unfortunately, because of the recordings that Migrant Women UK we need to make for Hansard, that is not possible. I tried Thursday 4 June Until no later Dame Vera Baird QC, to put a Member where the hon. Member for Edinburgh than 4.30 pm Commissioner for West is sitting, but you will have to move, because I have Victims been told that you cannot go there. You are too close to and Witnesses the Member in front. Thursday 4 June Until no later Local Government If a member of the Committee wants to speak, they than 5.00 pm Association; will have to come into the horseshoe and somebody Welsh Women’s Aid from the horseshoe will have to step back. That is not (3) proceedings on consideration of the Bill in Committee ideal, because we are moving around, but trust me, shall be taken in the following order: Clauses 1 to 37; Schedule 1; before we started, we tried every form of social distancing Clauses 38 to 62; Schedule 2; Clauses 63 to 73; new Clauses; new to get it to work. If you want to know what social Schedules; remaining proceedings on the Bill; distancing looks like, I am exactly the right height. If (4) the proceedings on the Bill shall (so far as not previously you imagine me flat on the floor, you have to walk concluded) be brought to a conclusion at 5.00 pm on Thursday round me. 25 June. Jess Phillips (Birmingham, Yardley) (Lab): You will I am delighted to serve under your chairmanship, be flat on the floor, if the Government have anything to Mr Bone, alongside my hon. Friend the Member for do with it. Cheltenham, the co-Minister for this important piece of legislation. We want to get on and hear the evidence The Chair: I will not be heckled—this is the easy bit. from our commissioner, the first witness, so I will be Hansard has asked for you to email your written brief. The motion provides the Committee with sufficient notes or speeches, because obviously these are not normal time to scrutinise this landmark Bill. I welcome the fact circumstances, to [email protected]. that it will enable us to hear evidence from 14 witnesses, Today we will first consider the programme motion including survivors of domestic abuse, so I invite the on the amendment paper. We will then consider a Committee to agree it. motion to enable the reporting of written evidence for Question put and agreed to. publication and a motion to allow us to deliberate in Resolved, private about our questions before the oral evidence That, subject to the discretion of the Chair, any written evidence session. In view of the limited time available, I hope that received by the Committee shall be reported to the House for we can take these matters without much debate. I call publication.—(Victoria Atkins.) the Minister to move the programme motion that was agreed by the Programming Sub-Committee on Tuesday. The Chair: Copies of written evidence that the Committee receives will be made available in the Committee Room. The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for the Home Department (Victoria Atkins): I beg to move, Resolved, That— That, at this and any subsequent meeting at which oral evidence is to be heard, the Committee shall sit in private until the (1) the Committee shall (in addition to its first meeting witnesses are admitted.—(Victoria Atkins.) at 11.30 am on Thursday 4 June) meet— (a) at 2.00 pm on Thursday 4 June; (b) at 9.25 am and 2.00 pm on Tuesday 9 June; 11.35 am (c) at 9.25 am and 2.00 pm on Wednesday 10 June; The Committee deliberated in private. 5 Public Bill Committee 4 JUNE 2020 Domestic Abuse Bill 6 Examination of Witness improved—I am sure we will talk about them over the Nicole Jacobs gave evidence. hour—but on the whole, I support the key elements. I particularly support the inclusion of the statutory duty 11.44 am for accommodation-based services, because that has been such a vulnerable aspect of our services over many The Chair: We will now hear oral evidence from the years. designate domestic abuse commissioner. Thank you very What I have always thought is missing from the Bill much for coming today. and would greatly support the services sector is the Before calling the first Member to ask a question, I inclusion of community-based services in the statutory remind all Members that questions should be limited to duty. Everything I do as the commissioner in thinking matters within the scope of the Bill, and we must stick about the monitoring and oversight of services—not to the timings in the programme order. The Committee just specialist services, but the breadth of what we has agree that, for this session, we have until 12.30 pm. expect of all our community-based statutory services— What I am going to say now is about social distancing. would be supported if there were greater inclusion in If anyone in the room feels uncomfortable about social the Bill of the duty for community-based services. They distancing, we will deal with it. Please do not hesitate to are providing 70% of our services, and they are as say if you are worried. I would be most grateful if our vulnerable as refuges have been for years. witness can speak into the microphone, because although I am sure that I will talk about some of my mapping. this is one of the modern rooms of the Palace of Part of the reason why I am mapping services is to look Westminster, it has the worst acoustics. We have an at that postcode lottery. The reason why that gets a bit additional problem, which is that we cannot get all complicated is that all services, no matter where they Members around the horseshoe,so, exceptionally,Members are, will be cobbling together funding from all manner are going to speak from behind.