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427 Statement by Minister MAY 13, 1997 Statement by Minister 428 1996-97 under Tour Expenses' of Schedule 11 to the chargesheet against the Bihar Chief Minister and 54 others Governors (Allowances and Privileges Rules, 1987, inthe "fodder scam”. under sub-section (3) of section 12 of the Governors (Emoluments, Allowances and Privileges) Act, 1982. During the Bandh, railtraffic was disrupted resulting in the delayed movement of many local and trunk route trains. [Placed in Library. See No. LT 2005/97] However, essential services including hospitals, water and power supplies, were exempted from the purview of the (2) Statement (Hindi and English versions) (i) correcting Bandh. the reply given on the 4th March, 1997 to Unstarred Question No. 1687 by Prof. Ajit Kumar Mehta regarding The bandh was marked by stray incidents of violence. Bomb Blast and (ii) giving reasons for delay in correcting Incidents of group clashes between pro-bandh and anti- the reply. bandh supporters occurred in major districts, including Saran, Khagaria, Patna, Muzaffarpur, Rohtas, Jehanabad [Placed in Library. See No. LT - 2006/97] and Munger. 12.02 hrs. The State Government has reported that during the bandh a clash took place at about 11 a.m. between Shri [English] Rajiv Pratap Rudy, BJP MP and his supporters on the one hand and Shri Raj Kumar Rai, JD MLA and his supporters BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE on the other, in which some rounds were fired. The police (Thirteenth Report) reached the spot and the situation was brought under control. Nobody was injured. SHRIMATIGEETA MUKHERJEE (Panskura): I beg to present the Thirteenth Report of the Business Advisory The Government of Bihar has further reported that a Committee. case No. 117 of 97 dated the 3rd May, 1997 under Sections 147 and 307 of the IPC and under Section 27 of the Arms Act was registered at Police Station* Sonepur on the 1 2 .0 2 y« hrs. complaint of Constable Subhash Ojha, the bodyguard of Shri R.P. Rudy, MP, alleging armed attack on their [English] procession by 20 persons, including the bodyguard of the local MLA. According to the FIR lodged in this connection, JOINT COMMITTEE ON OFFICES OF PROFIT about sixteen rounds were fired, aimed at Shri Rudy. No (First Report) one was injured in the incident. SHRIMATI GEETAMUKHERJEE (Panskura): I beg to Another case No. 118/97 dated the 3rd May, 1997 present the First Report (Hindi and English versions) of the under Section 27 of the Arms Act has also been registered Joint Committee on Offices of Profit. at the same Police Station on the complaint of the JD MLA, Shri Raj Kumar Rai, against S/Shrl Triloki Singh, Awadh Singh, Vimal Singh, Phekan Singh, Baiya Babu, Kewal 12.03 hr*. Singh, Pankaj Singh, Ranvir Singh, Gopai Singh and Balram Singh alleging that these persons, led by the BJP [English] MP, Shri R.P. Rudy, had attacked the complainant and his supporters while they were sitting in their party office and STATEMENT BY MINISTER tried to kill them. Incidents during the Bihar Bandh on 3rd May 1997 Both the cases - in view of the FIR and the counter-FI R from the twosides -are under investigation.... (Interruptions) THEMINISTEROFHOME AFFAIRS (SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA): Mr. Chariman, Sir, some hon, Members have expressed serious concern on the incident of violence in SHRI RAJIV PRATAP RUDY (Chhapra) : Sir, the Bihar on 3rd May, 1997 during the Bihar Bandh. A mention Speaker has permitted me to make a submission was also made of firing on Shri R. P. Singh Rudi, M.P., ... (Interruptions) Bihar. MR. CHAIRMAN : Under the Rules, you are not As per available reports, a Statewide Bandh was allowed to speak after the statement is read out by the observed on 3.5.1997 in Bihar on a call given by the BJP Minister. and the Samata Party demanding the dismissal of the State Government and the imposition of the President’s Rule In the State following the CBI’s decision to file a ... (Interruptions) 429 VAISAKHA 23,1919 (SAKA) 430 SHRI JASWANT SINGH (Chittorgarh) : Sir, he is [Translation] speaking on an assurance given by the Speaker. MR. CHAIRMAN : Shri Ram Kripalji, please take your SHRI RAJIV PRATAP RUDY : It is a standing seat, first. commitment of the Speaker in the House. He has given me the permission. .... (Interruptions) SHRI PINAKI MISHRA(Puri): Sir,the statement of the SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (South Delhi): Sir, you hon. Minister of Home Affairs is totally vague as to who has konw it that I have been given permission. (Interruptions) fired the shots. SHRI MOHAMMAD ALI ASHRAF FATMI : Under MR. CHAIRMAN : Shri Rudy, kindly be brief. what rule ? SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ : Sir, he is asking the .... (Interruptions) particular rule. [Translation] MR. CHAIRMAN: I amjusttellingyou. Pleasetkeyour seat first. Unless you resume your seat, how can I speak. SHRI RAJESH RANJAN ALIAS PAPPU YADAV Shri Pappu, please take your seat. (Purnea): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I have given a notice .... (Interruptions) .....(Interruptions) MR. CHAIRMAN : Discussion was held yesterday. [English] You were not present here then. MR. CHAIRMAN : Shri Kishore Rai, please take your .....(Interruptions) seat. SHRI RAJESH RANJAN ALIAS PAPPU YADAV : Sir, ....(Interruptions) I have given a notice regarding the incidents of rape of Muslim girls ....(Interruptions) AN HON. MEMBER : Sir I am on a Point of Order. MR. CHAIRMAN : There is no point of order. SHRI MOHAMMAD ALI ASHRAF FATMI (Darbhanga) : Under what Rule are you speaking ? .... (Interruptions) .... (Interruptions) [Translation] [English] SHRI RAJIV PRATAP RUDY : Mr. Chairman Sir, MR. CHAIRMAN: Yesterday the Speaker has permitted Whatever we were expecting today regarding this incident him. The Speaker has given him permission. .....(Interruptions) .... (Interruptions) The Home Minister will reply to it. ..(Interruptions) MR. CHAIRMAN : Shri Fatmi, you were in the House [English] yesterday when the matter was raised by Shri Rudy. SHRI QAMARUL ISLAM (Gulbarga) : The Home .... (Interruptions) Minister has already made his statement. I want to know from the Chair the rule under which clarifications can be sought. Please quote the rule, S ir... (Interruptions) [Translation] MR. CHAIRMAN : Please take your seat. SHRI MOHAMMAD ALI ASHRAF FATMI : Sir, the Hon. Minister of Home Affairs has given a Statement. SHRI QAMARUL ISLAM: As per the procedure, when Cases have been filed from both the sides. One of the a Minister has already made his statement, there would not parties will put forth his case. The another party, the M.L. A be any clarification from the hon. Members, Now the hon. is not present here .... (Interruptions) Member is again seeking clarification. Under what rule are you permitting him, Sir ? [English] MR. CHAIRMAN: I will tellyou, Please take your seat. MR. CHAIRMAN : Please take your seat. .... (Interruptions) ..... (Interruptions) 431 MAY 13, 1997 432 SHRI QAMARUL ISLAM: Please quote the rule, Sir so MR. CHAIRMAN : Yesterday, he wanted to raise a that we may also take an advantage whenever there is a privilage matter. I think you were also present at that time. statement made by a Minister. We may also take it as an Then the Speaker said, “I will give you an opportunity after example to be followed for the future. This will become a the Minsiter makes a statement, I promise.” glaring example for the furture. SHRI ANNASAHIB M. K. PATIL (Erandol): Now, it is MR. CHAIRMAN : Please take your seats, Shri Ram a question of the promise of the Speaker. Kripal Yadav and Shri Pappu Yadav. [Translation] .... (Interruptions) SHRI MOHAMMAD ALI ASHRAF FATMI : Mr. [Translation] Chairman, Sir, the hon. Speaker has the powers. The statement has been given. The cases have been filed by MR. CHAIRMAN: Please take your seat. I will tell you. both the parties. But one of the parties will put forth its stand, but the other can’t . It is not a High Court or the SHRI MOHAMMAD ALI ASHRAF FATMI : You Supreme Court... (Interruptions) please tell us. [English] MR. CHAIRMAN: You are not giving me any opportunity to tell the fact. Please cool down and resume your seat. MR. CHAIRMAN: It is the discretion of the Chair. Hon, Member, Shri Rudy, may please speak. .... (Interruptions) .... (Interruptions) MR. CHAIRMAN : You were not present yesterday. MR. CHAIRMAN : I have allowed Shri Rudy only. .... (Interruptions) .... (Interruptions) SHRI RAJESH RANJAN ALIAS PAPPU YADAV : Sir, MR. CHAIRMAN : Nothing will go on record. yesterday there was an accident .... (Interruptions) 14 persons have been killed.. (Interruptions) .... (Interruptions)* MR. CHAIRMAN : All right. Please take your seat. PROF. RITA VERMA (Dhandbad) : Why do you not name them? [English] MR. CHAIRMAN: Sl.ri Fatmi, I have allowed Shri Rudy SHRI QAMARUL ISLAM: This is a question of principle. only. This sort of a thing is frequently tried in the House. .....(Interruptions) [Translation) MR. CHAIRMAN: Please take your seat. I willtellyou. SHRI PRAMOD MAHAJAN (Mumbai- North East ) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, is there any leader of the House who can _(Interruptions) help run the House ? [Translation] [English] MR. CHAIRMAN : Shri Fatmi, please take your seat. I There is no leader of the House. He is not helping the will tell you. Chair. They are not able to keep the promise of the Speaker. The Leader of the House should help the Chair. [English] Where is the Leader of the Housel The Chair is trying to implement the Speaker’s order ....(Interruptions) SHRI QAMARUL ISLAM: Sir, kindly informthe House, under what rule are you permitting him ... (Interruptions) MR. CHAIRMAN : Let him Speak. MR. CHAIRMAN : Shri Fatmi, I will tell you. Please [Translation] take your seat. If at all you have anything to speak. Please speak .... (Interrruptions) afterwards. Please do not speak now^ MR. CHAIRMAN : Shri Mishra, Please take your seat. .... (Interruptions) (Interruptions) Not Recorded 433 VAISAKHA 23,1919 (SAKA) 434 [English] Is it not a tact that the Sonepur constituency, where the MR.