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No. 11.— Monday, November 30, igS9'Agrahayana 9,1881 (Saka)—

Oral Ar swcrs to Questions— Starred Questions No*. 399, 401 to 405, 407, 409, 413 to 416, 434, 417, 418, 422, 424 and 4 2 6 ...... 2317—54 Short Notice Question No. 3 ...... 2354— 63'

Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 403, 406, 408, 410 to 412, 419 to 441, 423, 425, 427 to 433 and 435 to 4 4 2 ...... 2363— 77 Unstarred Questions Nos. 622 to 700 ...... 2377—2427 Motions for Adjournment ...... 2427— 34 1. Explosion in Asansol ...... 2427-2 8 2. Incident at the Chinese and American Consulates in Bombay . 2428— 34 Papars laid on the Table ...... 2434—42 Orphnages and Other Charitable Homes (Supervision and Coniroi) Bill—Report of Joint Committee...... 2442 Indian Statistical Institute Bill—Introduced ...... 2442 C uitution (Eighth Amendment) Bill ...... 2443—2556 Motion to consider - : ...... 2443—-2553 Daily Digest ...... 2557— 64 No. 12.— Friday, December 1, 1959lAgrahayana 10, 1881 (Saka)— Oral Answers to Questions— Starred Qjejtions Noi. 443, 444, 446 to 449, 451 to 460, 462 to 464, 466 and 468...... 2565— 26 C3 Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 445, 450, 461, 465. 467. 469 to 489 26r3— 18 U nstarred Questions Nos. 701 to 773 26j 8— 60 Motions for Adjournment ...... 2660 67 (») Alleged wrongful arrest and discharge of certain persons in Trivandrum 266c—-64 (iO EtplDiion on the Amritsar-Pathankot Railway track . . . 2664—67 Re. Explosion in Asansol . 2667__71 Statem ent re : Chinghai-Tibet Highway ...... 2671— 72 Papers laid on the Table ...... 2672— 73 C illii; \tteition to Mitter of Urgent Public Importance— Collapse of roof inside Sripur Colliery ...... 2674 Constitution (Eighth Amendment) Bill ...... 2675—2769 Motion to consider ...... 2675—2707 Clauses 2, 3 and 1 ...... 27c 8—64 Motion to pass ...... 2766— 69 Kerala State Legislature (Delegation of Powers) Bill ..... 277c— 2804 Motion to consider ...... 277c—28c^ Daljy Digest ...... 18c 5— i a 804 (Ai) LSD—8. ii

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Afo. l y —W iiu iiz y , Dsctmfxr 2, 1959!Agrahayana it, x88i (Saha)— Oral Answers to Questions—

Stirred Qiestions Nos. 490 to 505, 308 tod 5 0 9 ...... 2813—52 Written Answer* to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 506, 507 and 510 to $43 ..... 2852—73 Unstarred Questions Nos. 774 to 836 ...... 2*73___ 3915 Statecnsnt carrecring the reply to U.S.Q. No. 820 dated 3rd December, 1958 29x6 Papers laid on the T a b l e ...... 3916 Deannds for Supplementary Grants (General) ...... 3917 C i n nittee on Private Members* Bill and Resolutions— Fifty-second Report...... 3917 Statement : Clarification of Information ...... 3917—19 Trj?-**■« Land Revenue and Land Reforms Bill—Introduced .... 3919 Kerala State Legislature (Delegation of Powers) Bill *919—64, 3002—0® Motion to consider •. 2930—34 Clauses a, 3 and 1 ...... *935—64, 3^ a —03 Motion to p a s s ...... 3003—08 Demands for Supplementary Grants (Kerala), 1959-60 ..... 2964—3001 Legal Practitioners B i l l ...... 3 ^ —56 M jUon to refer to Joint Committee ...... 3^09—56 Daily D i g e s t ...... 3057—62

N). 14.—Thursday, Dectmbtr 3, 1959j Agrahayana 1 2 ,188x (Saha)— Om I Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 544, 545, 547 to 556 and 559 ..... 3063—3100 W ritten Answers to Questions— Started Questions Nos. 546, 557 , 55*, 560 to 5 8 0 ...... 3K i—15 Unstarred Questions Nos. 837 to 920 ...... 3*15—^6

Procedure rt : Motions for Adjournment ..... 3166—70, 3178—81 Papers laid on the T a b l e ...... 317°“ 71 Messages from Rajya Sabha 3*7i Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance— Acquisition of land in Delhi ...... 3*71—74 Kerala Appropriation (No. 2) Bill, 1959—Introduced 3t74~75 Sugar (Special Excise Duty) Bill—Introduced ...... 3175 Stateaaeat rt : Sugar (Special Excise Duty) Ordinance 3*75—76, M m Vehicles (Amendment) Bill—Introduced 3*76 Legal Practitioners B i M ...... • 3176—78, 3181—3233 Moaon to refer to Joint Committee ....-• 3*76—78, 318* 3*33 Dowry Prohibition Bill 3#34~43 Motion to canaider as reported by Joint C o m m i t t e e ...... 3*34 45 Motion rt : setting up of P. & T. B o a r d ...... Daily D i g e s t ......

N*. 15.— Friday, December 4 ,1959/Agrahayana 13, r88r (Saka) Oral Answers to Questions— Starred ^w»tio'»s Nil. 55i to 587, 589 to 59*> 594 596 and 600 3311—53 Short Notice Question No. 4 3353*"5* m

C o l u m n s Writ mo Answers to Question! Starred Questions No*. 588, 593,597 to 399 and 601 to 609 . 3336—66 Unstarred Questions Nos. 921 to 969, 971 to 987,989 to 999 and 1001 to 1004 336$—3414 Rt: \t>:iois for Adjournment ...... 3414—20 Papers laid on the Table ...... 3420-21 Message from Rajya S a b h a ...... 342* Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance— Explosion in Jamuria Bazar ...... 3422—27 Correction of Result of Division ...... 3427-28 Business of the H o u s e ...... 3428—30 Kerala Appropriation (No. 2) BiU—Passed ...... 3430—3* Dowry Prohibition Bill ...... 3432—83 Motion to consider as reported by Joint C om m ittee...... 3433—-£3 Committee on Private Members’ Bills and Resolutions— Fifty-second Report ...... 3483—85 Resolution re : Re .organisation of the Country's Administration . . 34R5—35*5 Resolution re : Development of Drug Industry as State Concern 35®6 Business Advisory Committee— Forty-sixth Report ...... 3586 Daily Digest ...... 3587—94

No. 16.— Monday, December 7, 1959/Agrahayana 16, 1881 (Saka)— Oral Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 610 to 622, 624 and 625 ..... 3595—-3633 Written Answers to Questi ns— Starred Qaestions Nos. 623, 626 to 656 ...... 3633-—5* U.istarred Qaestions Nos. 1005 to 1015 and 1017 to 1065 .... 3652—86 Papers laid on the Table ...... 3687—90 Message from Rajya Sabha ...... 3690 Mvried Women’s Property (Extension) Bill— Laid on the Table as passed by Rajya Sabha ..... 3690 Calling Attention to a Matter of Urgent Public Importance— Increas: in rent of houses in Uttar Pradesh ...... 3^91—93 Business Advisory Committee'— Forty-sixth Report ...... 3694 Dowry Prohibition Bill ...... 3694—377® Motion to consider, as reported ly Joint Committee ..... 3694—3724 Clauses 2 and 3 ...... 3726—76 Motion* re : Reports of Hindustan Machine Tools ..... 3776—3826 Half-an-Hour Discussion re: Methonal Plant Sindri .... 3826—38 Daily Digest ...... 3*39—46 No. 17 .—TUesday, December, 8, 1959'Agrahayana 17 , 18*1 (Saka)— Oral Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 657 to 663 and 665 to 672 ..... 3*47—*4 Vritten Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 664 and 673 to 696 ..... 3**4—9* Unstirred Questions Nos. 1066 to 1 1 3 9 ...... 389*—394* C o l u m n s Papers laid aa the T a b l e ...... 3947 Calliag Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance Bxplosion on Amritsai-Pathankot Railway track...... 3947—49 Dowry Prohibition B i l l ...... 3950—4022 Clauses 3 and 2 ...... 3950—4022 Mines (Amendment) Bill ...... 4012-—68 Mod on to consider...... 4022—68 Daily Digest ...... 4069—-74

Mo. 18.— Wednesday, Dectmbtr 9, 1959/Agrahayana 18,1881 (Saka)—

Oral Answer* to Question*— Starred Questions No*. 697 to 707, 710 and 7x2...... 4075—4110 Written Answer* to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 708, 709, 711 and 713 to 752 ..... 4x10—36 Unstarred Question* Nos. 1140 to 1195 and1198 to 1227 413®—9* Papers liid on the Table ...... 419*—$3 Message from Rajya Sabha ...... 4T93 Committee on Private Members’ Bills and Resolutions— Fifty-third Report ...... 4*93 Manipur Land Revenue and Land Reforms Bill—Introduced. 4X93*94 Dowry Prohibition Bill ...... 4*94—4249 Clauses 2, 4 to 10 and 1 4*94—4*49 Motion to pass 4249 Mines (Amendment) B i l l ...... 4*49— 74 Modon to consider ...... 4249—74 Motion re: Sum-niry of Proceedings of the Sixteenth Session j of the Indian Labour Conference ...... 4275—433° Daily Digest 4331 3®

No. 19.—Thursday, Dectmbtr io, 19591Agrahayana 19, 1881 (Sjka)—

Oral Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 753 to 767 ...... •• 4339—77 Short Notice Questions Nos. 5 and 6 ...... 4377—8* Written Answers to Questions^- Starred Q uestions Nos. 768 to 792 4381—95 Unstarred Questions N 0 3. 1228 to 1282 ..... 4395*^4425 Paper* laid on the Table ...... 4*5 Calling Attention to a Matter of Urgent Public Importance— Breaches on Southern Railway ...... 4426—39 Statement Re. CKinakuri Mine D i s a s t e r ...... 4429—35 Mines (Amendment) Bill ...... 4435—45°* Motion to consider ...... 4435—4°* Clauses 2 to 29, 31 to 43, New Clause 43A, 44 to 47,30 and 1 44S1—94 V

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Motion to pass .... . 4494—4501 Demand* for Supplementary Grants ...... 4«n—»4 Daily D ig e s t...... 4555— Mo. 30.—Friday, Dtctmber n , 1959!Agrahayana 30,1881 (Saka)— Oral Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 793 10 807, 810 and 811 . 456X—98 Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 808, 809 and 812 to 836 .... 4598—4*07 Unstarred Questions Nos. 1283 to 1347 4607—49 Motion for Adjournment— Treatment meted out to Shri Karam Singh 4*49" 55 Paper laid on the T a b l e ...... 4655—56 Correction of Answer to Starred Question No. 43 .... 4656 Business of the House 46)6--58;47a9 Demands for Supplementary Grants (General), 1959-60 .... 4658—70 Morion re : Suspension of Rule ...... 4670—7* Fripora Land Revenue and Land Reforms Bill— Morion to refer to Joint Committee ...... 467a—4709 Comnittee on Private Members’ Bills and Resolutions— Fifty-third Report ...... 4709 Bills introduced— ( 1; Legal Practitioners (Amendment) Bill— (Insertion of new clause 14 A and amendment of section 41) bv Shri Ajit Singh Sarhadi...... 4709—10 (2) Indian Bar Councils (Amendment) Bill— (Amendment of Sections 12 and 15) by Shri Ajit Singh Sarhadi 4710 (3) Child Marriage Restraint (Amendment) Bill*— (Amendment) of Sections 2 and 3) by Shri D. C. S harm a 4733—33 Population Control Bill 4710—30 Leave for intro Juction not granted ...•••• 4711—30 Re : Indian Penil Code (Amendment) Bill 4730— 32 Minimum Wages (Amendment) Bill— (Amendment of Section 14) by Shri Balmlki .... 47*3—58 Motion to consider 47*3—58 Daily Digest . . . • 47*9—64 (i—v)

.V. B. —Th: sign •+• above a name of a Member on Questions, which were orally answered indicates that the Question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member.

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LO K SABHA Shri Mohluddln: No, Sir. As far as I understand, this involves a major Tuesday, December 8, 1959/ApraJia- structural change in the body of the yana 17, 1881 (Safca) aircraft. We could give it only to a firm which had the experience of this The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of th* type of work, and this kind of work Clock. could be done only by a very big, re­ putable company. [M r. S peakjeb in the Chair] Shri fiaghunath Singh: The Hindus­ ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS tan Aircraft Factory is now a very old concern. May I know whether Conversion of Super-Constellations as this work was not possible in the Passenger-Cargo Planes Hindustan Aircraft Factory with the aid of the foreign experts? 4 * **.« / Pandit D- N- Tiwari: Shri Mohluddln: I am not sure whe­ \ Shri M. L. Dwivedl: ther the Hindustan Aircraft Factory has actually quoted in this respect. Will the Minister of Transport and But, as I have stated, this work in­ Communications be pleased to state: volves a major structural change of (a ) w hether it is a fact that orders a super-constellation plane which has lor conversion of Super-constellations never been repaired or manufactured Crom all-passenger to passenger-cargo in the Hindustan Aircraft Factory. planes have been placed with the The Minister of Transport and Com­ Lockheed Aircraft Service of Cali­ munications (Dr. P. Subbarayan): I fornia; and would like to add to what my hon. (b ) if so, the terms of the contracts? colleague has said. If we had found The Deputy Minister of Civil Avia­ that it was possible for the Hindustan Aircraft Factory to do this work, we tion (Shri Mohluddln): (a) Yes, Sir. would not have gone outside the (b). I lay a statement on the Table country of the House. [See Appendix II, an- nexure No. 91]. Some Hon. Members rose—

Pandit D. N . T iw ari: M ay 1 know Mr. Speaker: Instead of getting a whether any tender was called, or, negative answer, what hon. Members whether payment was settled through want to know is, whether the Hindus­ negotiations? tan Aircraft Factory was consulted and whether the Hindustan Aircraft Shri Mohluddln. This is a specialis­ Factory said, “we are not able to do ed job and it was not possible to call it”? lor tenders. Enquiries were made from other airlines and manufacturers and Shri Mohluddln: I have no informa­ it was found tnat the Lockheed Air­ tion whether they were actually con­ craft Service could do the work best. sulted because their name does not appear here. P aad lt D . N . Tiw ari: M ay I know whether, on enquiry, it was found that Shri Tang&nuuai: In view of the im­ other firms were ready to do the work portance of this conversion, may I at a leaser cost? know why there is so much delay in SMKAl) LSD—1. 3849 Oral Answer* DECEMBER 8, 1#W Oral AftMMt* 3850

the delivery and re-delivery of the aircraft? I find from the statement t o ^ that the first delivery is on the 1st | x ttt «n: # May, 1960 and the redelivery will be w f f n f a wftx y i v w d on the 16th *July, 1960. art wnr -jrsrft t air Shri Mohloddin: It will be seen that *rr ^=r<> n r r w w the plane will be given to the factory in the first week of May. They will make the changes and re-deliver it in ^ vro-% *T?r*frer v H ? the end of July. 1st May has been fixed because the Boeings will be com­ Shri Mohinddin: A s 1 have already ing during this period and the Corpo­ stated, 1 have no knowledge whether ration cannot spare super-constella- the Hindustan Aircraft was consulted. tions for such work before May. The second point is that this involves Shri Sinhasan Singh: There have a major structural change. For been two different answers given here. example, all tbe doors have got to be To the first question whether any widened and the whole side of the tenders were invited, the hon. Deputy body had to be opened. This is a Minister replied that it was a techni­ very delicate and important problem cal thing and so no tender could be which could be dealt witlT only by invited. To the second question, which those who have the manufacturing was put by Shri Raghuna'h Singh, experience in this line. the hon. Deputy Minister said that the Some Hon. Members rose— Hindustan Aircraft did not quote— rather he was not sure of it— but then Mr. Speaker: Order, order. the Minister of Transport and Com­ fts >T rfiro 9TH : H STRT^rr '^r^fT munications said that if the Hindustan Aircraft could do the work the Gov­ «tt t v t r m ^ a’t ernment would not have gone outside ?rr frfrr, ?T'Tr^ «pff the country. We want to know what =fr ? is the fact: whether the Hindustan Aircraft was consulted at all. The Some Hon. Members rose— Hindustan Aircraft is a Government- owned factory. W e w ant to know M r. Speaker: The question is this. whether it w as consulted. There is the Hindustan Aircraft Fac­ Shri Mohiuddin: The question is not tory which undertakes repairs of air­ clear. craft and whore trainer aircraft are also manufactured. This factory is Mr. Speaker: I understand the ques­ the first of its kind in the country. tion to be this. Since there is the Why was it not consulted Who are Hindustan Aircraft Factory, before the experts? I understand the sub­ placing orders with some other firm, stance of these questions. The main why was not the Hindustan Aircraft question is why was not the Hindu­ consulted, and if it was consulted, stan Aircraft consulted. what w as the difficulty? D r. P. Subbarayan: I am grateful Dr. P. Subbarayan: For the simple Cor this elucidation. But, as I have al­ reason that our technical experts felt ready stated, this was a specialised that the Hindustan Aircraft Factory job and our technical experts felt that did not have the facilities to do this it could not be carried out in the work. Hindustan Aircraft Factory and so we had to give it to a firm which had rrqrr. experience of manufacturing this air­ craft. ^rtRT % if WTnrfTt g f *5 aft $ 1 4 5rmr ^ rr g Several Hon. Members rot#— h O ral Answers AGRAHAYANA 17, 1881 (SAKA) Oral Answers 3852

M r. Speaker: Order, order. Hon. (b) A sum of Rs. 18,000 on account Members obviously want to know of Central subsidy for sugarcane deve­ whether there *re technical experts lopment schemes was given to the ether than those in the Hindustan Orissa Government during 1956*57 Aircraft Factory. and 1957-58. With the change in pro­ cedure for disbursement of Central Dr. F. Snbbarayan*. We have our assistance for development schemes own technical experts in the Indian from 1958-59, the exact amount of Airlines Corporation and the Air- grant paid to that Government for that India International. (Interruptions). year is not known. However, a total Seme Hea. Members rose— of Rs. 12.24 lakhs grant was sanction­ ed for all schemes of agricultural pro­ Mr. Speaker: I will allow a half duction including sugarcane develop­ an-hour discussion regarding the ment during 1958-59. Hindustan Aircraft Factory in relation to this subject. Besides, a sum of Rs. 47,000 was paid by the Indian Central Sugarcane Dr. P. Snbbarayan: My hon. friends Committee as grant-in-aid to the State are as ignorant as myself of technical Government for sugarcane research matters. ( Int erruptions). schemes from 1956-57 to 1958-59. Mr. Speaker: The hon. Minister will (c) No, Sir. The Central Govern­ get his brief and we will have a half- ment have not prescribed any special an-hour discussion on this matter. How conditions for the grant of Central far the Hindustan Aircraft Factory can assistance to Orissa. However, there is repair the aircraft; if aircraft can be a general approved pattern of financial repaired easily with some more ad­ assistance from the Centre which ap­ dition to equipment, w hy not all such plies to all States and funds are sanc­ repairs be done in thp Hindustan A ir ­ tioned in accordance with that pat­ craft Factory, instead of placing tern. orders with a foreign country;— Shri Panigrahi: May I know to what these arc all matters which will be extent the acreage under sugarcane discussed. crop3 has increased in the Second Next question. Plan period? Shri M. V. Krishnappa: In the be­ Sugarcane Cultivation in Orissa ginning of the Plan period, that is to say. 1955-56 the total acreage in Orissa •658. Shri Panigrahi: W ill the M inis­ was 56,000 acres. They wanted to raise ter of Pood and Agriculture be pleas­ it to one lakh acres, which was their ed to state: target. Now, according to the figures (a) whether the Government of that they have given to us, in the India have given any financial aid to first two years they could raise it the Onssa Government during the only to 59,000 acres. In the next three Second Five Year Plan period for the years they hope they could reach the promotion and development of sugar­ target of one lakh acres. cane cultivation in the State; Shri Surendranath Dwivedy: May I (b ) if so, the amount o f assistance know whether the entire amount that given so far for this purpose to Orissa; was given to the Government of Onssa and for this purpose was utilized?

(c) whether the Central Govern­ Shri M. V. Krishnappa; We had set ment have insisted on any condition apart nearly Rs. 9£ lakhs in the Plan for giving Central aid for this pur­ for this purpose. They had been a pose to the State Government? little slow in utilising that amount, for which they have given certain The Deputy Minister of Agriculture reasons. They are now trying to (S h ri M . V. Krishnappa): (a) Yes, Sir. speed it up and they hope to utilize 3&S3 Oral Answer* DECEMBER 8, 19W O ra l A hionw 3 1 ^

the whole amount by the end of the replace Dakota Aircraft of the Indian Plan. Airlines Corporation? Bhri Supakar: May I know the area The Deputy Minister Civil Avia­ under sugarcane cultivation which tion (Shri Mehtaddin): ( i ) The propo­ has been benefited by the Hirakud sal of the Indian Airlines Corporation dam project? to purchase, as an interim measure, Shri M. V. Krishnappa: I have no 5 Fokker Friendship aircraft, has been details with me. They say that only approved, subject to the condition that the foreign exchange expenditure 6,000 acres have been brought under involved will be met by a barter deal. cultivation in the first two years of The barter deal is under negotiation. the Plan. (ii) The Lockheed Aircraft Corpora­ Shrl Jadh'.v: Whnt was the average tion have since submitted their propo­ yield per acre at the beginning of sal for the manufacture and produc­ the First Plan? What is it at pre­ tion in India of a new aeroplane to sent? replace the Dakotas. This is under Shri M. V. Krishnappa: The average examination. yield was about 16 tons per acre. They Shri Ram Krtahan Gupta: May I want to raise it to nearly 20 tons per know the type of aircraft by which acre in certain selected pockets in these Dakotas will be replaced? Orissa. Shri Mohtuddin: It will be replaced Shri Braj Raj Singh: M ay 1 know with a passenger aircraft with modern whether any help has been given to equipments. And it will be a suitable the sugarcane growing States like aircraft for landing in all those place* UP and Bihar for the promotion and where Dakotas now land. development of sugarcane cultivation in those areas? . Shri Ram Krishan Gupta: May I know whether the expenditure in­ Shri M. V. Krishnappa: W e are volved in the introduction of the giving a lot of money through the scheme has been assessed? sugarcane committee and the State Government for the development of Shri Mohinddln: I could not follow sugarcane cultivation and also for re­ the question. search. If the hon. Member wants more particulars, I will supply the in­ Mr. Speaker: Has the total cost of formation if notice is given. replacement been assessed?

Shri Shivananjappa: M ay I know Shri Mohiaddin: Yes Sir. Quota­ whether financial aid is given for the tions have been obtained and the development of sugarcane cultivation prices are known. The question of or for research stations? purchase is under consideration. 8hri M. V. Krishnappa: Both for re­ Shri A jit Singh 8 arhadl: Is it not search and development. a fact that agreement has been arriv­ ed at for the purchase of aircrafts? Replacement of Dakotas by the LA.C.

+ Shri Mohinddln: No Sir. No agree­ Shri Ram Krishan Gupta: ment as such has been arrived at Sbri Khushwaqt Rai: Until the foreign exchange sanction Is received, no final agreement could be { arrived at. Shri Ajlt 81ng-h Sarhadi:

Will the Minister of Transport and t m : art % Communications be pleased to refer to q r ?rcr m tr * t rfc | the reply given to Starred Question Mo. 339 on the 12th August, 1999 and ?fr **rr 3 *«? r w w n m d i state at what stage is the proposal to J#55 Ansuysrs AGRAHAYANA 17, 1881 (SAKA) Oral Answer* 3855

1 1 f*rr aft y a % * f t e t | i « r f # Shri Mohluddln: No Sir. As the tpufr, *nr ftrt «4>Vitit' % wpt hon. Minister stated last time, pro­ posals have been invited from Lock­ in: ^ qrqnsm: *nr* arr | afr fv heed and Fokker Friendship so that we could consider all of them to­ gether and find out ultimately what is • ft : |*Trt best for our passenger needs. That is the present position. * «; W f t Tt ^ WT f I ^ Shri Amjad All: The hon. Mini«ti»r has stated that five aircraft are going VP? *r VT SPfft I t f k to be purchased to replace the Dako- $, $*M?r «n f^ W T VTf^ftfT 5Ttf tas. M ay 1 know the regions in which they will be utilized? q «n cw e f t anror w Prc *ft «T|^r £r T^r $ fa ^*nft»T s n w ^ Shri Mohluddln: For the time being, IAC propose that out of the five, three if ^rsr ^ ^ wi%r

S 3*mrr $f i w % « h h t Development of Hindustan Shipyard 505 l£CT*fRT 7T, 3 % W ffW W T | 3t, + «r$ *r^r tw t ^ t £ fa r ®rretT (" Shri S. C. Samanta: ahnf ^7% *cr# t»v<*i

3ft* : S^tCT ?ft *5?T approved by the Government; and ?rr ^f^KR- $ret T$n nr? ?ft fare «rnr (c) if so, whether further work has been started? # w tf* srr t| t*» The Minister of State in the Minis­ Shri S. A. Mehdl: What commodi­ try of Transport and Communica tiara ties would the Government give in (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) to (c). A exchange for earning foreign ex­ statement is laid on the Table of the change? Lok Sabha. [ See Appendix II, an- nexure No. 92]. Shri Mohluddln: Exportable com­ modities like manganese, ferro­ Shri S. C. Samanta: From the state­ manganese, iron ore and other com­ ment I find that Government have modities. sanctioned the work of extension of jetty at an estimated cost of Rs. 25 Shri Dlncoh Singh: The hon. Minis­ lakhs on the basis of a revised and ter mentioned that a proposal from cheaper design. Is it meant for the Lockheed Aircraft Corporation la overall balanced development of the Being considered. Are we to under­ shipyard? May I know whether by stand that Avros have definitely been this work the berthing of two ships given up, or are they also being simultaneously In the jetty would be considered? possible? 38 j 7 Oral Ann&erg O&CSMBKR fc *M9 Qra> A < w r « jg jS

JHvl B li Bibaftm After tit* werin water-supply scheme is likely to Jm are completed it is expected that the completed? capacity of the shipyard would be 8hrl R aj Bahadur : H u water-sup­ increased from £ vessels per annum 2 ply scheme was essentially taken up to 4 vessels. So far as the reduction in collaboration with the local State in the cost of the jetty is concerned, Government A Joint Water Board bad after due technical examination, and to be established for this purpose with a view to economising on the which could not be done. That is why expenditure of foreign exchange, it there has been some slow progress on was considered feasible and advisable this scheme. I hope, how, we shall get that this revised allotment should be over the difficulty. accepted. Shri T. B. Vittal Rao: May I know Shri T. B. Vittal Rao: The question whether the estimate for the floating of the construction of the dry dock dock has been drawn up and what it has been deferred. May I know is and what is the foreign exchange whether it is likely to be taken up component of it? now? Shri Raj Bahadur: T he w hole pro­ Shri Raj Bahadur: The question of posal is yet in a very preliminary stage dry dock has been considered and of consideration. W e are exploring the taken up from time to time, but, on possibility. Nevertheless there is rea­ account of the overall position of son to be optimistic about the final foreign exchange difficulty, it has not outcome. been possible for the Ministry of Fin­ ance to release the necessary foreign Janunu-Srinagar Road exchange for it. Now, as an alterna­ *661. Shri Harish Chandra Mathur: tive, we are considering the question Will the Minister of Transport and of having a floating dock, which may Communications be pleased to state: be less expensive and perhaps more manoeuvrable. (a) for how many days Jammu- Srinagar Road remained closed during rsfT rq ^ o r m r each of the last 4 months; ^T5?rr jf fa? *rrr?ft$T5T % (b) what are the main causes of j r f o t * % f w s p r the frequent stoppage of the route; vrf ^ | i w ^ ««rf7*T (c) what total amount has been spent by Central Government on roads in the State during, each of the last ^?*rf w f forr 3mrr f v U 3 years (i) on original works and (ii) % JT# OTP *T f>T*rW Tiff frm on repairs and maintenance; amrr ? (d) whether proper notice is ghreft of the closure of the road; and •ft TTO W^TfTA : (e) what arrangements are made nrrm f a f T f fa rn ft

•M ou nt ^ unprecedented continuous by the ahgpherds com« every year up rain* and cot&equent floods; and down this road before and after (c ), A statexaent la laid on the Table winter and it is in that period that o f the hok. Sabha. [See Appendix II; devastation of forest and grass takes annexure Mo. 03]. place. I do not know whether the State Government too can find a ready (d). Yes; and answer fo r this. (e). Stranded tourists are put ir. Shri lUrai Singhji: In view of the Dak Bungalows and Rest Houses and rampant corruption in the State every facility is given to them. P.W.D. and in view of the fact that- Sbri Harish Chandra Mathar: Has this is the only communication road the hon. Minister noted that the bill between India and Kashmir, may I of repairs is abnormally high? In know, if the Central Government 1857-58, it appears from the statement would consider taking over the mainte­ that, on original works, they spent nance of this road? Rs. 35 lakhs and on repairs, Rs. 25 lakhs. In 1966-59, on original works Mr. Speaker: Order, order. There is they spent Rs. 30 lakhs and on re­ a Government there. W hat is the pairs, Rs. 22 lakhs. May 1 know what meaning of making an accusation, in is the nature of these repairs and view of heavy corruption amongst the ■what steps are being taken to see that P.W.D. there? W ho is here to delend the roads are so constructed that such them? No, no. Hon. Mem bers won’t repairs are not necessitated? add preambles to their questions, they may merely elicit an answer: Shri Raj Bahadur: We are quite what has happened; they are not doing conscious of this unfortunate fact that it properly; is the Central Govern­ very heavy suras of money have got ment going to take it up or is it going to be spent on repair w ork annua dy. to their help? That is enough. That is essentially because of the nature of the hill formation which is Shri Mahanty: On a point of order. very loose. A part from that, there Sir, the other day when questions has been a good deal of imprudent were asked about Shri Kairon, and deforestation and there has been ero­ when Shri Kairon was not here to sion. Because of grazing by goats defend himself, when various matters and sheep, much of the stability of impinging on the authority of the the hill side has been lost. It is a State Legislature came up before this very complex problem. The only ans­ House, those questions were permit­ wer appears to be either a realign­ ted. W henever such questions are ment of the present road at different asked, there must be a clear delimi­ places or having a very expensive re­ tation as to where we stand and taining wall constructed to protect where they stand. against the danger o f hill sides. These are the only two alternatives. We Shri Narajranaakntty: Menon: That are taking recourse to both. was a question of law and order.

Start Harish Chandra MaOuur: M ay Shri Mahanty: Let me finish. W e 1 know if this question of reckless have a feeling that when certain ques­ neglect of forests has been discussed tions are asked from certain sections, with the State Government and if so, they go unnoticed. Whenever it comes what coneluafons they have arrived at? from the Opposition side, immedi­ ately, law and technicalities come «p Sturt I*J Btkadir: It has been t£»ken up with the Engineers and the State Mr. Speaker: Very wrong. Order, Government in the past. it is a pro­ order. The hon. Member is absolutely blem which ia rather

from the right side that I more often Mr. Speaker: The 4to)*ettoe fact it give opportunities to the l*ft. wrong. What is the answer? Beaw Boo. Members: Yes. Shri Karni Singhji: I w an t to clarify a point, Sir. The hon. Prime Minister M r. Speaker: The hon. Member, had made a reference in a Press Con­ whenever he gets up, catches my ference about the Srinag&r-Lch road, eye It is very wrong to cast such that there was a great deal of waste aspersions. I always notice who is in of public funds. I baaed this question the House and who comes occasionally. on that. Whenever he comes, he expects that I must immediately take notice of him M r. Speaker: Very well; waste ia and give him more opportunities different from corruption. than the others who are keeping this Parliament going day in and day out. Shri Harish Chandra Mathur: May That is a kind of expectation which I I just submit for your information, as am not going to allow. Hon. Members a matter of fact, there are 20 officers must be here. Therefore, this kind of of the Kashmir Government who are remark so far as the Chair is con­ being prosecuted for corruption and cerned is improper. the Central Government is making So far as the other aspect about funds available. I think the Central Shri Kairon is concerned, hon. Mem­ Government has certain information bers ought not to quote me saying on this subject. They should be able “you did this’. I am not able to re­ to throw light. member now under what circumst­ Unless there are pub­ ances supplementaries were allowed. Mr. Speaker: Therefore, as and when an hon. Mem­ lic documents by way of judgments ber feels that I am allowing supple­ which have impeached the character, mentaries or that the supplementaries gone into it and ultimately decided that so many officers have been con­ are not in order, he must raise it then and there. I cannot give a rul'ng on victed, making such observations while the case is pending that these a point of order now so far as that is officers are being prosecuted and we concerned. So far as the supplemen­ tary asked now by Shri Kami Singhji have to come to the conclusion here is concerned, he ought not to cast an that they are all corrupt— there is aspersion— and I say this not only to absolutely nothing to say one way or him, but to all sides of the House— on the other. Remarks, not based upon the establishment in a particular Gov­ any judgments which are unimpea­ ernment. It is for that Government chable, ought not to be allowed in and it is for the hon. Members who this House. are there in the State Assembly to take it up. There is nobody to defend Shri R aj Bahadur: My answer is them here. As regards Shri Kairon’s this. So fa r as this particular sector matter, if he had taken it up then, I o f the road is concerned, it is, of would have been in a position to course, being maintained by the State answer why I allowed those questions Government. The Jammu-Pathankot and why at a particular stage I stop­ road is maintaned b y the CP.W.D. ped them. Obviously, the Roads Wing of the Transport Ministry is a Consul- Shri Raghanath 8ingh: The last por­ in g Organisation. We do not have an tion of his remark was against the executive wing as such for execution Speaker. It should be withdrawn. It o f works. Therefore, we have got to was casting an aspersion on the give it either to the CP.W.D. with Speaker and on his impartiality. It limited resources or to the State Gov­ should be withdrawn. ernment In the ease of this road, Shri Mahanty: I withdraw. I never the Government appears to have been meant any aspersion. I wanted an doing good work. May be, there have objective fa c t been certain cases at Irregularity. gStfj Qrai AiWW«r> AQBAHAYANA 17, 1881 (5 AKA) Oral Answers 3864

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V «f** % WTt ft «RT^TOT fa ^tT\ 5f^5T Shri C. D. Pande; May 1 know whe­ h t t r % f ? g?m ^ ? i w ^ ther Government’s attention has been drawn to the fact that the road from t; ?rm % ffwpgr ft f ? *r? tft Devaprayag up to Joshimath is bo 5TR^T ^T^TT g fa 5?K ft 3F?r ft narrow that only oneway traffic is arwV apsf

Shri Raj Bahadur: Throughout the Theft of Government Piles year. + •MX. f 8bri s * M - Baaerjoe: fts ftffire t m : wm *? ?*t aft v t \Shr\ Panl«rahi: *tnf*T $ fa aft ?rr*r *r»ft snmS ^ | Will the Minister of Irrigation and «n r v* tftwFtzT % jrarifa fttr fr cerned has been arrested; end n t t « a •WIT ft T# t ? and Power (Shri Hathi): (a) Yes, Sir. 3869 O ral Answer* d * c i m b * r «, i * u Ohrt Answers 3870

( b ) Yea, Sir. uqrthfaf regarding Bhakra? Other­ (c) The papers attempted to be wise, What was the necessity for him to s t e « it? stolen comprised of routine circulars, pamphlets and copies of tour notes etc. Hathi: There was nothing secret, it was only routine circulars^ Shri S. M . Banerjee: May I know pamphlets and other thing*. HI* whether this particular gentleman intention might have been different. was interrogated, and if so, what We cannot guess what intention he statement he gave before the officials? had and the things he wanted to carry, it might be, he wanted to take Shri Hathi: The offender was arrest* these away, go home and sort out and ed immediately on the spot. The see if anything of importance could police were informed and they arrest­ be found, but from him nothing was ed him on that very day. He was a found at that particular time. clerk in Government employ. He has been suspended and police investi­ Change la the Coarse of Yaarasa gation is going on. H irer Shri S. M , JEuier/eer / w an t to know *«*5. Dr. Bam Sabhag Singh: Will what statement he gave. the Minister of Irrigation and Power Mr. Speaker: Police investigation is be pleased to state: going on. (a) whether the course of the river Shri S. M. Banerjee: He says the Yamuiia is changing near Delhi; and file contained certain circulars etc., but ( b ) if so, whether Governm ent pro­ I would like to know whether this pose to control the river? was a secret file containing some important correspondence. I want to The Deputy Minister of Irrigation know what was contained in it? and P ow er (Shri Hathi): (a ) The course of the river Yamuna is not Shri Hathi: There was no secret changing near Delhi; but during the paper or secret file which was taken non-monsoon period, the course of the possession of from him. I might say channel has been shifting within the that this happened at 7 p .m . on the high banks. 26th August. When this man was coming out from the particular room, (b) Does not arise. the farash on duty accosted him. He said he had come to deliver dak to Bajasthan Canal somebody in the Power Wing but the farash asked him: I had closed that room, how could you get in? There r Shri Ajit Singh Sarhadi: was some altercation. There were *666, j Shri D. C. Sharma: two night duty peons, one night duty ]_ShrI Kami Singhji: farash, and a motor driver. All of Will the Minister of Irrigation »s4 them caught him. Immediately, the Power be pleased to refer to the Director and the police were informed. reply given to Starred Question No. Within half an hour everything had 70 on the 4th August, IMS and state: happened. There was no confidential no secret file found on his person when (a) the progress so far made in the he was searched. Only these circular construction of the Rajasthan Canal letters and pamphlets, these things, and the time by which it is expected were found on him. to be Completed;

Shri FanlgraU: May I know whe­ (b ) whether any foreign assistance ther the correspondence related to in the matter is being obtained from either the canal waters dispute or any sources; and 3871 Oral An*w«rs A G H A H A Y A N A 17, 1881 (SAKA) Oral Answers 3 8 7 *

(c ) if ao, tha extent thereof? ing, they have taken a decision that 13 miles will be lined. The Deputy Minister of Irrigation u d Power (Shri Hathl): (a) A state­ Shri AJit Singh Sarhadi: May I m ent giving the required information know whether Government have As laid on the Table of the House. assessed the area that would be given {See Appendix II, annexure No. 95.J irrigation facilities before the final completion? (to) No, Sir. Shri Hathi: That was what I said a (c) Does not arise. little while ago; before the final com­ Shri AUt Singh Sarhadi: May I pletion, it may be that they may be know if it will be possible to give any able to irrigate by stages, but actually irrigational facilities before the final I nave not got the alignment, and, completion, and if so at what stage therefore, I cannot say that now. and when? Shri Achar: May I know whether Shri Hathi: Stage 1 we hope to com­ on account of the non-conclusion of plete by March, 1962. talks with Pakistan regarding the canal water dispute, there is any diffi­ Shri A Jit Singh Sarhadi: May I culty in the supply of water by the know whether it would be possible Rajasthan canal? to give irrigation facilities before the Anal completion of the first stage, and Shri Hathi: There is no difficulty, so 5f so, when? far as this is concerned. Shri Hathi: Maybe, some time before Shri Harish Chandra Mathnr: May the completion, but cannot say 1 I know what progress has been made exactly when and what area we regarding the construction of the dam. could irrigate before that date. and when the work is likely to be Shri Kami Singhji: May I know taken up? whether any decision has been taken Shri Hathi: Which dam? with regard to making the canal navigable also, and whether Govern­ Shri Harish Chandra MaUrar: The ment have considered the possibility dam which will make the canal of connecting it to the Kandla port? perennial, and from where the water is to flow. Shri Hathi: I mentioned the other day that there is a possibility, and Shri Hathi: This is yet to be taken that is still being investigated, but no from the Harike barrage, for the decision has yet been taken. time being.

Shri Harish Chandra Mathnr: Is the Shri Harish Chandra Mathnr: Will hon. Minister aware of the genuine the Harike barrage make it perennial? feeling and apprehension that there is Are Government not thinking of con­ no co-ordination being maintained structing the Beas dam? between the digging of the canal on Shri Hathi: Of course, the hon. the one hand and the construction of Member is referring to the Beas the dam which will make the canal dam ; but, as regards that, the Punjab perennial, on the other? Government are investigating and Shri Hathi: I have no such infor­ preparing a project report. mation. Shri Harish Chandra Mathnr: la Shri Kami Singhji: May I know there any difference of opinion whether Government have finally between the Punjab Government and decided to line the Rajasthan canal? the Rajasthan Government, parti­ Shri Hathi: The first reach in the cularly, regarding the construction of Punjab is being lined; for the remain­ the Beas dam and taking the water 3873 Or#l Aaatiwrt p g c n a c w B t % m * Oral AttMwr* 3874

from there for generation of «leetrl> Shri T. n . Vittel Im : May I know city by the Punjab Government? how much the Singarani Collieries Co. has been asked to deposit? ghri Hath!: I have no information. Shrl S. V . Ramaswuny: It is esti­ C*iliery Sidiaf from Hiw>pi«iUw to mated at Rs. 34 lakhs; Us. 10 lakh* Godavari Khanl will be the share of the railways, and the company will have to deposit + R'i. 24 lakhs. »«81 / Shrl T B Vltt,‘1 **°: ^ S h ri Txngmmmnl: Shri Tangamaiii: The hon. Deputy Minister says that the estimated cost Will the Minister of Railways be will be Rs. 34 lakhs. On a previous pleased to refer to the reply given to occasion also, he told us that it would Unstarred Question No. 2069 on the be about Rs. 33 to Rs. 34 lakhs. W hen 2nd September, 1959 and state: the initial proposal has already been (a) whether the examination of the made, and the estimate also has been proposal for the construction of a made, may 1 know why it is difficult Colliery Siding from Ramagundam, to specify the date? Central Railway to Godavari Khani, Shri S. V . Ramaswamy: The final Singareni Collieries Company, has location survey has yet to be com­ since been concluded; pleted We must know where exactly (b ) if not, the reasons for the delay: to lay the line. The figure of Rs. 34 lakhs which I Rave* was nnlv a rough ■c) w hen it is likely to be com­ estimate pleted; and Shri T. B. Vittal Rao: When was (d) when the construction of the the final location survey ordered, and siding will actually commence? when is the Railway Administration The Deputy Minister of Bailways likeiy to receivr that survey report? (Shri S. V. Ramaswamy): (a) No, Sir. Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: It was The firm has only recently deposited ordered only recently, because the the survey charges and the final loca­ firm deposited the survey charges tion survey is in progress. only recently

vb) After the survey report is Shri Tangamani: Could we have an received, the matter will be examined id

Shri S. V. Kamaswamy: I suppose Will the Minister of Food and Agri­ the engineers must have said that the culture be pleased to state: final location survey Is necessary, and, ;a) the names of the members of therefore, we are following it. the Indian Delegation to the annual 3fl?5 O w l Anmorra AGRAHAYANA17, IM1 (SAKA) Oral Aiwioers 387^

session of the United Nations Food discussed or not, end if so, w hat they and Agriculture Organisation; were?

(b ) whether the question of estab­ Shri A . M . Thomas; Many subjects lishment of food banks in various were discussed; some of the specific countries was discussed; and problems which would be of special interest to under-developed countries (c ) if so, the attitude of the G o v ­ are: ‘Freedom from hunger’ campaign, ernment of India on this question? commodity problems, including sur­ The Deputy Minister of Food and pluses, food reserves etc., w orld seed Agriculture (Shri A. M. Thomas): campaign etc. A subject which is of (a ) The Indian Delegation to the last considerable importance to backward session of the Biennial Food and countries was the discussion on the Agriculture Organisation Conference ‘Freedom from hunger1 campaign, wai led by the Minister of Food and sponsored by the Director-General of Agriculture and other members of the F.A.O. the delegation were as under: Shri P. E. Patel: May I know 1. Maharaja of Patiala. whether delegations were sent by the different farmers’ organisations of 2. Raja Surendra Singh of Nala- other countries, and if so, w ho repre­ garh. Agricultural Production sented the farmers’ organisations of Adviser. our country? 3. Shri J. V. A. Nehemiah, Extension Commissioner. Shri A. M. Thomas: It was an official delegation. Among the persons who 4. Dr. R. N. Poduval, Economic represented the country were the and Statistical Adviser. Agricultural Production Adviser and 5. Shri R. H. Chishti, I.A.S., A g ri­ the Extension Commissioner, who cultural Attache to the Indian are persons who have a lot to do Embassy in Rome. with the practical problems of the farmers. (b ) and (c ). In the course of his statement at the Plenary Session of Shri P. R. Patel: My question was the Conference giving an account of whother in this confercnce, the India’s food position the Minister of farmers’ organisations of the different Food and Agriculture referred to the countries were represented, and if so, idea of a World Food Bank. This was who represented the farmers’ organi­ not specifically discussed at this Con- sations of this country. ferance. Shri A. M. Thomas: No, there was Shri A jit Singh Sarhadi: May I no particular person to represent any know whether the establishment of farmers’ organisation, because there is the Food Bank is being taken into no well-organised farmers’ organisa­ consideration, and what progress has tion in the country as yet. Of course, been made in this conection up till the M ahnraja of Patiala is a practical now? farmer, and he was one of the mem­ bers of the delegation. The Minister of Food and Agricul­ Shri Ajit Singh Sarhadi: May I ture (Shri S. K. Patti): It takes a know what the assessment of the hon. long time in a world organisation to Minister is about the reaction in the popularise ideas. That does not mean surplus countries to the establishment that ideas should not be given. of a Food Bank here, and how far he w ould be able to succeed? Smrdar A. S. Saigal: May I know the subjects discussed in the confer­ Shri S. K. Patil: Whether the World ence, and whether problems pertain­ Food Bank would be established in ing to under-developed countries were the very immediate future or not is 3877 O nl Answers DBGEMBKR S, 19W Oral jipswers 587*

v ery difficult to say. But, so far as Shri 9. M. Buerjie: The hon. the responsibility of the surplus coun­ Deputy Minister has made it deer that tries to provide for the deficit coun­ it is impossible to check smuggling. tries is concerned, there is acute May I know whether Government w ill feeling on that subject. I think there consider the desirability of making are no two opinions in the FA O . on Delhi, U.P. and Punjab into one son* that question. for this purpose because the people of all these areas eat wheat? Shri B ra ] R aj Singh: Apart from the other All-India organisations of Shri A. M. Thomas: That is not farmers such as the Kisan Sabha, the considered necessary at present. Kisan Panchayat, the Kisan Sangh and Shri C. D. Pande: May I know so on, are Government aware that whether the attention of the Govern­ there is a farmers’ organisation known ment has been drawn to the fact that as the Bharat Krishak Samaj, of as far as sugar is concerned, it k which one of the hon. Ministers of supplied from that part of the coun­ this Ministry is the president, and if try where sugar is being smuggled so, why no representative of the to? If so, is it due to defective distri­ Bharat Krishak Samaj was even bution arrangements that this is included in the delegation? happening? O r is it d u e to any other motive that people are smuggling Shri S. K. Pa til: These are all sug­ sugar from here to the place w here it gestions for action which we shall consider because it will be very wise is produced? Either the defect in to do so. There is nothing w ron g in distribution, if there is any, should be removed or the price should be made having a representative of the far­ mers, but there are so many organi­ uniform. sations in the country that it becomes Shri A. M. Thomas: In the first difficult for the Government to choose place, no smuggling of sugar from any one of them. But surely I will Delhi to U.P. has been reported so bear it in mind when in future such far. But I may say with regard to selections have to be made. distribution that in Delhi it is being done under our direct control and Smuggling of Wheat and Sugar from supervision. The distribution arrange­ Delhi ment is quite satisfactory. With regard to U P , we have allotted 25,000 tons *669. Shri Parulekar: W ill the per month to that State, out of which Minister of Food and Agriculture be 10,000 tons are distributed through pleased to state: their co-operative federation and the (a) whether it is a fact that the rest through licensees who have been entire 150-mile border that separates nominated by the District Magistrates. Delhi from U.P. and the Punjab is It is for the various State Govern­ being used for smuggling wheat and ments to improve the distribution sugar; and machinery to the best extent possible.

(b) if so, what action Government Shri C. D. Pande: Do Government propose to take to prevent this large- know that there is a difference of scale smuggling in the area? A nnas 4 per seer in the price of sugar here and in Ghaziabad? The Deputy Minister of Food and Agriculture (Shri A. M. Thomas): (a) Shri BraJ Raj Singh: They refuse and (b). Though it is almost impos­ to know. sible to stop smuggling altogether, it Shri A. M. Thomas: It may be that is not considered that there is smug­ there is such a difference. gling on a large scale. The police arrangements on the border for Shri P. R. Patel: In view of the -exercising necessary checks are on the smuggling that is going on, may X •whole adequate. know whether Government propose ft* 3#79 ° r?a Answer* A G R A H A Y A N A 17, 1881 (JSAKA) Oral Answer* have one zone for the whole country (c) Designs of a small water turbine -and uniform prices throughout the capable of developing 3 to fi KW of country so far as sugar and food- power have been evolved for test grains are concerned? purposes only.

Shri A. M. Thomas: When we have (d) It is not possible to give any Adequate supplies, we will certainly idea till the results of the tests are consider that. My senior colleague available. has expressed more than once that Pandit J. P. Jyotishi: Looking to that is our ultimate aim or object. tiie necessity for the industrial pro­ gress of the country, will Govern­ Shri P . 8 . Danlta: Is it a fact that on the U.P. side of the Jumna, wheat ment consider enhancing the produc­ is sold at Rs. 3 per maund higher tion of turbines in the country? than the price at which it is sold by Shri Hathi: It is exactly with that the Punjab peasant on this side of idea that we have thought of pro­ the Jumna? If so, is this not the basic ducing such small sets which could cause of smuggling? generate power in out-of-the-way places from small streams, falls etc. Shri A. M. Thomas: I do not think there is so much of difference I have Shri Vidya Charan Shnkla: Which got the quotations here. De?hi is is the ordnance factory which has the within the Punjab zone. Punjab, of necessary technical knowledge avail­ course, is a surplus area and wheat is able to advise the Ministry of Irriga­ being sold at the rate of Rs. 13 to tion and P ow er about these turbines? Rs. 16 per maund, but in U.P. the rate varies between Rs. 16 to Rs. 13 per Shri Hathi: Actually, the designs maund or something like that accord­ etc. have been prepared by the Cen­ ing tc quality and locality. But there tral Water and Power Commission. is not such a difference, as has been Bui these things are manufactured in mentioned by the hon. Member. the factories.

Prodnct'on of Small Turbines CTO : TOT 3TTT % •979. Pandit J. P. Jyotishi: Will $ f-p ftrsr ftrsr 'BH-frflrf the Minister of Irrigation and Power ir jt? =rr*r ft tst *, be pleased to state: s it * | (a) whether it is a fact that designs *FTT ftjfe >T ot small turbines to produce small quantities of electricity had been sent « i | ? some Ordnance Factory for exami­ nation; £T«ft : 5*?% eft 3RT*,

. 4b) the result of the examination; ir * r * r r r $ «n \ ' (c) whether the construction of model turbine has been undertaken; Pandit J. P. Jyotishi; Has any fend amount been allocated for the pur­ pose of construction of these turbmasT (d) by what time the country can to have indigenous turbines for Shri Hathi: Manufacturing is be in? Hie generation of electricity from done by the ordnance factories. afadiM'rivers and streams? Shri Jadhav: May I know whether Qeyaty -Mintetw of Irrigation any private concern from Raroda - if and P o w e r (Shri Hathi): ( a ) Yes, manufacturing such turbines? m t . n

They .are still under .examlna* „ Shri Hathi: Yes. Messrs. Jjfpti Limited are doing it at 3 aro

Mschkand Project Shri Hathi: We have not yet decided about that C Shrl^Pudrnbl: Shri Vtowanatha Reddy; Max ' Shri Madhusudan lUo: know whether the advice of the Centra] Water and Power Cimmissioa Will the Minister of Irrigation and has been accepted by the Governments Power be p.eased to state: concerned? (a) whether it is a fact that there Shri Hathi: W e have not heard iron was some disagreement between them yet. Andhra Pradesh and Orissa regarding raising of Jalaputti Dam (Machkund Shri P. K. Deo: How many more P ro je c t); villages would be submerged by rais­ ing the level of the Jalaput Dam? (b) whe‘her the Central Water and Power Commission have been con­ Shri Hathi: As regards the ad­ sulted on that issue; and ditional area that would be submerg­ ed, I have not got the figures with me. (c) if so, what decision the Com-' mission have taken thereon? Shri Heda: What would be the The Deputy Minister of Irrigation basis for the division of the additional electricity that would be generated? and Power (Shri Hathi): (a) Y es, Sir. Wou d it be in terms of requirements (b> Yes, Sir. or deficit in power?

(c) The Central Water and Power Shri Hathi: All factors will be con­ Commission have recommended an sidered. The State Governments will increase in the FRL of Jalaput Dam be consulted and then a final decision b y 10 ft. taken. It will not be arbitrary.

Shri Panigrahi: May I know what Shri Panigrahi: May I know whe­ were the points of disagreement bet­ ther the Minister is aware that the ween the two State Governments and Government of Orissa has not been in how they have been reconciled? a position to utilise the 30 per cent, o electricity which has been given to the Shr4. Hathi: The points of disagree­ State from the Machkund project? Hai ment were, in a way, technical. They the State Government represented to related to the question of silting, as the Union Government about its In­ to what quantity of silt would be ability to take electricity from thii there in the reservoir after ten years and utilise it? I f so, w hat help arc or so. This was the main point of the Central Government going to giu disagreement. to the Orissa Government?

Shri Panigrahi: M ay 1 k now what Shri Hathi: Perhaps they have no additional quantity of electricity is been able to 'ay the transmission line* estimated to be generated as a result That is the difficulty. For that, the o f raising this dam, and how it is go­ Central Government will give than ing to be divided between the two assistance. State Governments? Shri 8ureadr*nath Dwivedy: Is Shri Hathi: The additional power not a fact that the difficulty in get tin that would b e genera ed is calculated transmission lines was due to *b* non at about 63,750 kw. The total would availability of foreign exchange? Hav b e 1,14,000 kw. W e have not yet the Government solved that problem allocated the financial responsibility of the power sharing. Shri Hathi: Maybe that is on* o the difficulties. But whatever tin Shri Heda: The latter part of the Central Government could do, we wU question was not answered. do. 3883 Oral Answer* AGRAHAYANA 17, 1881 (SAKA) Oral Answ er* 3884

- Shri SanUbanth Dwlredy: This power liberally. The proposal to bring has been there for >0 many years. this rule in iine with the rule appli­ cable to ordinary accounts viz. re­ Shrl SopoJkar: This foreign exchange duction in the period of notice to one difficulty facing the Government of week is also under consideration. Orissa has been there for the last These are public aeveral years and the Government of Shrl Sopakar: India are not helpful in this respect accounts and the Government is vety for the last several years. Do Gov­ liberal in the case of deposits. W hy is it not so liberal and is rather res­ ernment propose to take any action in this regard? trictive in the case of withdrawal from the public accounts. Shrl Hath!: As hon. Members know, Dr. P. Sobbarayan: This has got to the foreign exchange difficulty came be carefully examined. Much depends np last year or two years ago. This upon the amount of money a post office project has been ready for, I think, savings bank can have at one parti­ three or four years. The foreign ex­ cular time. change difficulty has been a recent Shri Knmbhar: May I know whe­ difficulty. ther it is not the responsibili'y of the Post Ofllee Saving* Accounts of G r a n postal department to help the v il'age Panchayats development schemes by changing the old code or the rules and regu­ *•7*. Shrl Knmbhar: Will the Min­ lations of the postal department for ister of Transport and Communications withdrawal from panchayat postal be pleased to state: savings any amount at any time for payment of the executed works? (a) whether it is a fact that the Sarpanchas of various Gram Pan­ Dr. P. Sobbarayan: As I said, it chayats in Orissa State deposited depends upon the security arrange­ thousands of rupees of the village ments. We cannot have more money development schemes funds received than can be possibly safeguarded. from the Government and public at a WRITTEN ANSWERS TO time in the Postal Savings Bank Ac­ QUESTIONS count and cannot withdraw more than one thousand rupees at a time per month from their postal savings for «rw w r w m payment of executed works; and (b) whether suitable arrangements w r ftftr ^ f«n for withdrawal have now been evolv­ ed? (« p ) foa ft *PT ^ % t t f in r w The Minister of Transport and Com­ munications (Dr. P. Snbbaray an): (a ) % trn rfis % I have no information about the open­ I; ing and closing of accounts. But ac­ cording to the Post Office Savings (*r) «wr ^ fV Bank Rules withdrawals from Public accounts are limited to Rs. 1,000 in a «r£ $ ; calendar month. (b) The rules already provide that («r) nfe ft, w % frw withdrawals exceeding Rs. 1,009 may t ? be made on giving one month's prior notice of intention to withdraw. The f f t T m t f t (* f t Heads of Circles may in their discre­ (v) (n) m wv *wrd srw tion allow withdrawals exceeding Be. 1000 without insisting on on* Month’s notice end they exercise this ifiw

K » i i ^p jllrlhiw bo considered whm ftm parti­ culars regarding it are known. * W I . 8 hrimati Sean Cbakravartty; Will the Minister of Transport and Communications be pleased to state: Medical Cotlegea in Himaohal rrailaa|i

(a) whether hangar charges and Shri Nek Bam Negi: .aerodrome landing charges for the *ast Shri Xnder I . Malhotra: one year have been outstanding to J3irector-General of Civil Aviation by Will the Minister of H nltk be pleaa- ^Cftlinga Airlines; and to state:

(b) the reasons for granting this (a) whether the Himachal Pradesh facility? Administration has taken any practi­ cal steps towards opening of Medical The Deputy Minister af Civil Colleges in Himachal Pradesh; Aviation (Shri Mobiuddin): (a) Cer­ tain dues on account of hangar, water ( b ) if so, the details thereof; and and electric charges are oustanding (c) if not, the reasons therefor? .against Kalinga Airlines. The Minister of Health 7Shri Kar- (b) Action has been initiated against narkar): (a) No, Sir. this Airline under Public Premises (Eviction of Unauthorised Occupants) (b) Does not arise. Act, 1958, on account of non-payment (c) In view of the fact that (1) 1? of the charges. seats were allotted to students be* longing to Himachal Pradesh in the New Penicillin various medical colleges for the aca­ *874. Shri Ram eshwar Tantia: W ill demic year 1959-60 and (2 ) 8 addit­ the Minister of HealJk be p.eased to ional sea s are being reserved for students belonging to that territory state; next year, there is no need to open (a) whether Government is aware any medical college in Himachal Pra­ of the recent discovery of new peni­ desh. cillin in Britain, which is m ore effec­ tive than earlier ones; and Police Van -Train Collision (b) if so, what steps are being taken , . / Shrimati Maflda Ahmod: to produce this new penicillin also

- (b) frul details such as chemical , (b) the number of pertons killed and composition, standards, clinical ’ *e- injured; and pprts, toxicity etc. are not know n at ■■ (c ) whether the cause a f tfca aeair present. Te the best of our knowledge dent has been ascertained? - t)*is item 4s not av ailab le fo r general use in. pther. cpu^tjies. The. qyestjon ; Tb* ©epaiy Mhitrtf* ef R ^hfW of making available the supplies of im u i * , y , Rai«aswmy>i (») ¥ m this new penidlliri ill, this . cOmrtry £ut itw a» netr Aittrai ftftttto.*.? ffgy W rtttm AGRAHAYANA itfti (SAKAI Written Artsweri 3888

- (b) .G&f wis IdUaft *n< sixteen la* against an estimated load of 1,67,006 Jured. K.W.

. (c) The cau*e of the accident it (b) to (d). The detailed Project mader investigation. Report was received by the Central W ater and Pow er Commission on 3-12- D H n U w o f Godavmrt T e lle r txprrm 1959. It may take about three years for the power station to be commis­ / Shri Jadhav: sioned after this Project Report has • 71,\ Shri B. C. Mulllek: been examined and approved by the W ill the Minister of R a ilw a y* be Central Government. pleased to refer to the reply given to Starred Question No. 1519 on the Stabbing in Train near I tarsi 28th March, 1959 and state: r Shri B. C. Mullick: (a) whether any acion has since *679.^ Shrimati Mafida Ahmed: been taken against the person res­ [_ Shri S. A. Mehdi: ponsible for the detention / Godavari 0 Will the Minister of Railways be V alley Express on the 27th January, p ’eased to state: 1959; and

(b ) if so, what is the nature of the (a ) whether it is a fact that two action taken? passengers were robbed and one of them as well as the guard of the train stabbed in a running Bombay-bound The Deputy Minister of Railways Punjab Mail near Itarsi Junction on (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a ) No. A s the 20th November, night; the identi'y of the person who pulled the alarm chain causing detention to (b) if so, the details thereof; and train No. 552 Up Godavari Valley Express on 27-1-1959 could not be (c) whether the culprits have been established. arrested? (b) Do«s not arise. The Deputy Minister of Railways (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a) Yes, Sir. Thermal Station at Cambay (b ) and (c ). On the night of 20-11- 1959, six dacoits boarded a 3rd class *678. Shri P. R. Patel: W ill the compartment of 6 Up Punjab Mail at Minister of Irrigation and Power be Hoshangabad. While on the run they pleased to sta.e: robbed two passengers of their be­ (a) the present requirements of longings and cash at the point ot K.W. electricity, and K.W. electricity knife and then pulled the alarm chain supplied in G ujerat; and got down as the train came to a halt between Powerkheda and Itarsi (b) whether any proposal to install stations. a thermal sta.ion at Cambay has been submitted by the Bombay Govern­ The guard of the train got down to ment; look into the matter when the mis­ creants asked him to hand over th< (c) whether the Central Govern­ keys of the brake van and to detail ment has considered the proposal; and the train for some time. Upon th« (d ) when the thermal station at guard’s refusal to do so the dacoito Cambay w ill be installed? caused several knife injuries to hi person and robbed him of cash Rs. 1(K The Deputy Minister of Irrigation and a wrist watch. «fed Power (Shri Hathi): (a) The present firm capacity of power avail- Among the articles looted were 1 dtlto to Gujerat Is 1,72,000 K .W . as lady’s Wrist watch, a gent’s wris 3889 Written Answers DSCEMBMl 8, 1839 Written AnttMrr 389*

watch, a pen, two suits, two shirts to Unstarred Question No. 797 on the and cash amounting to Rs. 800. 34th February, 1859 and ctate:

Three persons have been arrested by (a) the progress made so far in the Government Railway Police, Itarsi constructing the bridge on ~V*e from whom some of the stolen articles Brahmaputra river at Pandu in Assam;' were recovered. A blood-stained (b ) the amount apent so far; and dagger was also seized from one of them. Further investigation is in pro­ (c) when it is likely to be com­ gress. pleted?

Train Accident Averted The Deputy Minister of Railways (S h ri S. V . Ram aswam y): (a ) O f the 11 main piers of the Bridge, 2 are *680. Shri S. A. Mehdi: Will the nearing completion. The Amingaon Minister of Railways be pleased to side shore pier is also almost com­ state: plete. Well sinking work on 5 main piers is in progress and is expected to (a) whether a serious railway acci­ be completed by the end of this work­ dent was averted near Khairabari ing season. Work on approach banks Railway Station on the North Eastern to the Bridge on both Amjjvgaon and Railway due to the assistance of three Pandu sides is progressing satisfac­ pedestrians? torily. Tenders for the girders have also been accepted. ( b ) if so, the details thereof; and (b) Rs. 186 39 lakhs to end of (c) the reward, if any, given to the November, 1959. pedestrians? (c ) In 1962. The Deputy Minister of Railways (S h ri S. V . Ramaswamy): (a) and Detention of Train by Stndenta 'h ). O n 1.1-11-1959 at about 00.25 hours four persons informed Station *682. Shrl Vidya Charan Shukla: Master, Tangla about the removal of Will the Minister of Railw ays be fish plates and bo.ts from the Rail­ pleased to state: way track between Tangla and Udalguri stations on the Rangiya- (a) whether it is a fact that about Tezpur Branch of Northeast Frontier 50 students held up the Bombay Railway. Immediately, the track was Pathankot Express at Subzimandi inspected by the railway officials and R ailw ay Station on Friday, the 20th the defect was put right by 03 50 hours November, 1959, by repeatedly pulling on the same date and through run­ the alarm chain; and ning of trains restored. The matter is under investigation by the Police ( b ) if so, w hat action has been taken authorities. against the defaulting students for misusing the alarm chain and creat­ (c) Grant of reward, if any, will ing rowdyism on the railway station? be considered on receipt of Police Report. The Deputy Mtehtw of Railways (Shrl Shahnawas Khan): (a) Yes, by pulling alarm chain apparatus twice Bridge 00 the Brahmaputra at Panda from two carriages.

•MU / Shrl p- c - Borooah: (b) The train was stopped in Subzi­ \ 8hrimati Mafida Ahmed: mandi Yard after it had left the station W ill the Minister o f Bailways be and no student could be apprehended. pleased to refer to the reply given There was no rowdyism at the station. 3 *9 1 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 17, 1881 LSAKA) Written Armosrt 38<#_

Gang* B u r t n Malaya. f Shri Ram Krtehsa Qvptiu Singapore. I Shri S. M- Banerjee: Pakistan. 4 M S. J Shri Fanlgiahi; I 8hi1 Vidya Charan Shnkla: Mob Attacks on Railways (_ Shri Balder: Shri Hariah Chandra W ill the Minister of Irrigation and Malhur: Fewer be pleased to refer to the reply Shri Shree Narayan Das: given to Unstarred Question No. 637 *W5.^ Shri Ram Kristian Gupta; on the 12th August, 1659 and state Shri Ajit Singh Sarhadi: whether the Gang* Barrage scheme Sardar Iqbal 8ingh: has since been finalised. Shri Radha Raman:

The Deputy Minister of Irrigation Will the Minister of Railways be and Power (Shri Hathi): The Ganga pleased to state: Barrage Scheme has not yet been ( « ) how many cases of mob attack finalised. on railwaymen and railway property have taken place during the last six Output of B.C.G. Vaccine and months; Tu here ml In (b ) whether a statement of the f Shri Sobodh Hansda: nature of these attacks and action *•84. J Shri S. C. Samanta: taken would be laid on the Table; Shri R. C. Majhi: and

Will the Minister of Health be (c) what action if any, has been pleased to state; taken to deal with such cases?

(a ) the total annual output of The Deputy Minister of Railways B.C.G. Vaccine and Tuberculin in our (Shri Shahnawaa Khan): (a) 61. country; (b ) A statement is laid on the Table (b ) whether this is more than suffi­ of the House. [See Appendix II, cient to meet our country's require­ annexure No. 66.] ment; (c) The following action is taken to (c ) whether this is exported to deal with cases of mob attack on other countries; and railway property and railwaymen;—

(d ) if so, the names of the coun 1. Majority of the mob attacks tries to which it is exported? was the outcome of students hooliganism. In this con­ The Minister of Health (Shri Kar- nection, the Ministry of Rail­ ntarkar); (a) The total annual out­ ways have issued instructions put of B.C.G. Vaccine and Tuberculin to Railways to request the is approximately 2,600,000 cc. and authorities of the educational 4,500,000 cc. respectively. institutions concerned to en­ sure that the students behave (b ) Yea. in a disciplined manner and (c ) Yes. to advise them that certain concessions extended to them (d ) B.C.G. vaccine and Tuberculin by Railways will have to be exported to: are withdrawn otherwise; Afghanistan 2. Such incidents are specially ' Burma. brought to the notice of the ’ Ceylon. State Government* request* f t f t . Wrtetm AnrttNnv' fcSCSBfttfcR t, t m ~ ’• ' imtt*n Aiuw*n " ' 3 *9 4

ing them to ensure that the («r) «w *ft fipRft spm fiw r law and order position with­ in the Railway administration w t p f t qartwriVw fhr tftr is not adversely affected by fr^vrc>pr jw rf «rf % f.rif mob attacks demonstrations •tc. 5 5 T t r r v t *V ?r m f t w r t 1 1

S. Railway Protection Force sup­ ( * ) *r#*l fc * P * t r plementing the police where necessary both in partroling =*ft?r Jr | i x$ the affected area and exercis­ frrp «f> ^ rr «pt% W T n r ^ f W l - ing a close watch on unsocial spnwrftppr % v f a H U *r ftajr elements and bad characters operating on railways. *TT #PVn v t* ?r*w *,X *>*w ^ f v faFir-fr v °f5rr? : w 4. The Railway Protection Force Staff are detailed to assist f'T P, i rn tn^f w v r«r Ticket Checking staff as and *M t ^ 5 v v.TT^r^ f t a j 30 when needed. ^IVm* *1^: fv .T nv.7 | \ *rf fjrFPft 1 fWlff Vt VOTT s rr v vr-r '•ft TOT T3PT : ^frsr.fu*«f:CT ^ rr «pt^ % farq ^nfr J aft ’HIH SfHTVT : sr-;?.,- r«,.^ i

Mata Til* Power Project C Shri S. M. Banerjee: jjjjt w t w r *687. J Shri Panlgrahl: 1 Shri M. L,. Dwivedi: Ux.e. % ^Trif«t“ f % [_ Pandit D. N. Tlwary: S t r c % Sr ^ ^R.*r% % ;r h tH t Will the Minister of Irrigation and ftp : Pow er be pleased to refer to the ans­ wer given to Starred Question No. 633 ( v ) n i r^ ^ fr uTr Vff^Pl *TT on the 21st August, 1959 and state tfr^r qrr ?t*p whe her any further progress has been W T sf?r \ ; made regarding construction of Mata Tila Power Project near Jhan&i? (< * ) *FZ n V S?* The Deputy Minister of Irrigation V l si ffr jTT ^ ffv ff ; and Power (Shri Hath!): The Mata (»T) if «CFT f*PT Tila Hydel Project is being revised by the Government of Uttar Pradesh. «rr ftr^TT ^ ; sfyr Atarat-Chaifl Palling on Railway* ( * i ) 5T? *PTt s r s r R rtfra f U

( b ) i f so, the extent thereof during; ttoftar Dam (D.V.C.) OM» first six months where the Amend­ *691. Shri Madhusadan R*o: Will ed Act has been in force as compared the Minister of Irrigation and Power to the corresponding period before be pleased to refer to the reply fk* amended Act became effective? given to Unstarred Question No. 114 the Deputy Minister of Railways on the 4th August, 1959 and state: (Shri ShaJuurwas Khan): (a) and (b). (a) whether arbitration proceed­ There has not been an appreciable im­ ings in the case of overpayment to provement, the number of cases of un­ M/s Hind Patel and Co. for works authorised alarm chain pulling in the done at Konar Dam have been com­ six months May to October, 1959 pleted; and having been 23542 against 23681 in the corresponding months of the previous (b) if so, what has the Government year. decided in the matter? The Deputy Minister of Irrigation Booking between Paleza Ghat and and Power (Shri Hathi): (a) No, Sir, Mahendru Ghat (b ) Does not arise. •689. Pandit D. N. Tiwari: Will the Minister of Railways be pleased to Supply o f Food (Trains In Himachal refer to the reply given to H alf-an - Pradesh Hour discussion on the 31st March, 1959 and state: •692 S Shri Nek Ram Negi: Shri Inder J. Malhotra: (a) whether any decision has since been taken on the question of Ghat Win the Minister of Food and Agri­ to Ghat booking specially between culture be pleased to state: Pleza Ghat and Mahendru Ghat; and (a) whether Government have (b ) if so, the nature thereof? taken steps to provide on subsidised rates food grains to Himachal Pra­ The Deputy Minister of Railways desh; (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a) Yes. (b ) if not, the reasons therefor; (b) The existing arrangement will and continue for the present. (c) whether Government would take any steps towards this direc­ Interim General Plan of Delhi tion?

n C Shri A. K. Gopatan: The Deputy Minister of Food and \ Shrimati Parvathl Krishna a: Agriculture (Shri A. M. Thomas): (a) Yes, Sir. Foodgrains at subsidised Wm the minister of Health be rates are being distributed in the re­ pleased to state: mote and deficit areas ot Himacha (a) whether any changes were made Pradesh. in the Interim General Plan of Delhi; (b) and (c). Do not arise. and

(b ) if so, the basis on which these Transport *t Road Material to Steel changes have been made? Plants

The Mintoter of Health (Shri K **- *693. Shri Panigrahi: W ill th awrka*>: (•) Yes, Sir. Minister of Railways be pleased t state: (t>) A statement showing th* Changes and the basis thereof is laid (a) whether sufficient railwa on the T able of the L o k Safaha. ( £ « transport facilities have been provid Appendix H, annexure No. 871. ed to transport the raw materials 1 3 8 9 7 Written Anrweri DBCEMBKH 8r 1958 Written A n tw rt 389$

Bhilai, Rourkela and Durgapur Steel to the reply given to Starred Ques­ Plants; and tion No. 633 on the 21st August, 1980 and state: (b) if not, the reasons therefor? (a) whether Government have con- The Deputy Minister of Railways aidered the proposal for reduction of <

Gandak Project The Minister of Transport and Comm an I cat Ions (Dr. P. Babbara- fPandit D. N. Tiwary: yan): (a) and (b). The proposal is Shri M. L. Dwivedi: still under consideration and is being Shri Bam Krishan Gupta: finalised in consultation with the Shri Padam Dev: Ministry of Information and Broad­ Shri Ajit Singh Sarhadi: casting. Shri Bibhatl Mishra: Shri Jhulan Sinha: 4 | N . Lighthouse Workshop, Calcutta Shri Shree Narayan Das: Shri Prakash Vir Shastri: fShri Snbodh Hansda: Pandit J. P. Jyotishi: *896. J ahri S. C. Sam aata: Shri S. A. Mehdi: I Shri R. C. Majhi: Shri Bishwanath Roy: Dr. Ram Subhag Singh: Will the Minister of Transport and Shri P. C. Borooah: Communications be pleased to state:

Will the Minister of Irrigation and (a) whether construction of the Power be pleased to refer to the re­ new Lighthouse Workshop at Calcutta ply given to Starred Question No. 69 has made any progress; on the 4th August, 1959 and state: (b ) when this is expected to be (a) whether the agreement on completed; and Gandak project has since been flnalis- sed with the Nepal Government; and (c) the total amount spent for tbs construction of this workshop? (b ) if so, when the w ork on the project will begin? The Minister of State in the Minis­ The Deputy Minister of Irrigation try of Transport and Communications and Power (Shri Hathi): (a) Yes, Sir. (Shri Raj Bahadur); (a) Yes, Sir. A copy of the agreement signed on Nearly 50 per cent of the civil engi­ the 4th December, 1959 will be plac­ neering works have been completed ed on the Table of the House after an and some tools, plant and machinery authenticated copy is received from have also been purchased our Ambassador in Nepal. (b) By March 1960. (b) Work will begin after the pro­ ject is approved by the Technical (c) Rs. 1,44,000 (approximately) Advisory Committee and funds have so far. been provided by the Planning Commission. Electrification of Stations ea Licence fee to cheap radio sets Northern Railway 1088. Shri Ram Kriahan Gupta: ('Shri Ram Krishan Gupta: Will the Minister of Railways be # „ I Shri Bhakt Darshaa: pleased to state the progress made so n Shri D. C. Sharma: far in the electrification of Railway I Slut Ajit Singh Sarhadi: Stations between Rewari-Bha tinda Will the Minister of Transport and and Rewari-Loharu sections of tha 'Covaim k»ti«Bi be pleased to refer Northern Railway? *99 Written Armoert AGRAHAYANA17, 1891 (SAJtA) Written Answer* 3900

B » D eraty Minister ef Chairs of Indian Medicine in Colleges Shri Shahnawas Khan): A statement of Modern Medicine. This fact was > laid on the Table. [See Appen- communicated to the State Govern­ lix II, annexure No. 98.] ments and they were informed that the Government of India were pre­ Export of Wheat from Madhya pared to grant financial assistance for Pradesh creation of such Chairs. The response 1M7. Start Fangarkar: Will the was very poor. A grant of Bs. 7200- was given to the Government of Sinister of Food and Agriculture be leased to state: Madras in September, 1957, for the establishment of a Chair of History (a) the actual quantity of wheat of Medicine at the College of Integra­ xported up till now from Madhya ted Medicine, Madras. The State Vadesh from 1st October, 1959; and Government have reported that the w o rk is still in progress and w ill (b) the names of States and quan- take some time before it is completed. ity exported to each State?

The Deputy Minister of Food and The Udupa Committee which was Igrtcultnre (Shri A. M. Thomas): recently appointed by this Ministry a ) 14,500 tons of wheat from 1-10- to assess and evaluate the present 959 to 30-11-1959. status of Ayurvedic Medicine has also inter alia recommended the (b) Bombay. establishment of Chairs of Indian Medicine in modern colleges along Ayurvedic and Unani Text Books with an Ayurvedic ward in teaching 1068. Shri Kallk* Singh: Will the hospitals attached to such institu­ tions. The recommendations o f the Minister of Health be pleased to tate: Committee are under consideration of Government. (a) whether Government have any rcheme to publish critical editions of The training course at the Post- Standard Ayurvedic and Unani Medi­ Graduate Training Centre in Ayur­ a l Books; veda at Jamnagar is open for modem medical graduates also. (b) what steps have Government idopted so far to examine the use­ (c) The Government of India have fulness of ancient Ayurvedic and no such scheme. LJnani texts to the Students and practitioners of Medical profession; (d) Does not arise. (c) whether Government have any icheme to manufacture drugs on the Akbarpnr Tanda Rail Link Msis of Ayurvedic and Unani texts 1069. Shri Kalika Singh: Will the ly modern process; and Minister of Railways be pleased to (d) if so, how and where are they refer to the reply given to Starred being implemented? Question No. 779 on the 25th August, 1959 regarding the restoration of The Minister of Health (Shri Kar- Akb&rpur Tanda Railway line on the narkar): (a) There is no such schema Northern Railway and state: with the Government of India. Gov­ ernment of India have however been (a) whether any decision has since lanctioning grants for the poblication been taken in the matter. t)f critical editions of certain Stand­ (b ) if not, the reasons for the ard Ayurvedic Medical Books; delay; and ' (b) The various Committees ap­ pointed by the Government of India (c) by what time Government pro­ recommended the establishment of pose to restore the line? W * t M Answer, OT6ffl*S*K * Wr&tm dntwm & &

ft w ttifkitjr Minister of Railways tfce Bepnty l HrtLit»r « f B e t lw s f (Surf 8. V. Kuuiwuv): (a) No, (S k i ShsJmawas Kban); Sir.

(b) and (c). Th* original estimate Number of worker* tor restoration bad to be revised ac­ cording to the present day costa. This revision and the resulting finan­ Skilled. Semi­ Un- cial implications have not yet been skilled. skitttd. finalized. A s soon as this is dona further steps w ill be taken. Appointed direc­ tly by the Sinking of Cargo vessels near Government . 183 37 «t4 Saurashtra Recruited through contractors 125 250 5235 1070. Shrlmatl Maflda Ahmed: Will the Minister of Transport and Com- Development of Fisheries in Punjab manlcatiaas be pleased to state: 1072. Shri D. C. Shorn*: Will the (a ) whether it is a fact that four Minister of Food and' Agriculture be cargo vessels sank off the Saurashtra pleased to state: Coast during October, 1959; (a) the amount allotted to Punjab (b) if so, whether the reasons for State during the First Five Year Plan the accident have been ascertained; towards the developrent of fisheries; and (b) the amount of money actually (c ) the estimated loss involved? spent during that period in Punjab for this purpose; The Minister of State in the Minis­ try of Transport and Communications (c) the amount of money allotted (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) It is report­ to Punjab so far during the Second ed that 36 sailing vessels have met Five Year Plan period; with casualty in the Saurashtra and (d ) tfie amount of money spent so Kutch sea area during October, 1959. far; and

(b) The accidents were due to (e ) the steps taken for improving cyclone. the existing fishing methods, bringing under fish culture areas of water at (c ) Preliminary inquiries into the present lying fallow, introduction of Casualties are being conducted by improved methods of scientific fish the investigating officers at the res­ fanning and training of personnel? pective ports, n is, therefore, not possible to furnish information in this The Deputy Minister of Agricul­ rwspact at this stage. ture (Shri ML V. Krishna***): (a) Rupees 2.4 lakhs (including PEPSU). Construction of Brahmaputra Bridge (b) Rupees 3 3 lakhs (including 1071. Shrlmatl Maflda Ahmed*. W ill PEPSU). the Minister of Railway* be pleased (c) Rupees 8.7# lakhs upto 1989-8$ to state the number of rikilled, semi­ skilled and non-sldlled workers ap- (d) Rupee* 1*96 lakhs ha* been poisted directly by Government and spent upto tha year 1SM-W. through contractor* for Brahmaputra budget estimate for 10W-4O » Bridge construction separately? fta. 2-Sfl lirikba. £9°3 Written Armeert A G R A H A Y A N A 17, 1881 (SAK A) Written Answer• 3904

(e ) The following schemes have and Rs. 9 54 lakhs as loan has been hepn included in the Second Plan: Approved for allotment to the State Government for development cf Ani­ ( 1) Stocking with fish a large mal Husbandry ineluding sheep, wool , 1 number of impounded waters. find poultry development, veterinary <2) Setting up of a Cold Storage education and eradication of rinder­ Plant. pest and dairying and milk supply.

(3) Distribution of interest free (d ) Rs. 21-32 lakhs as grant and loans to Fisheries Coopera­ Rs. 4 51 lakhs as loan up.o 1958-59. tive Societies. The figures of actual expenditure for 1959-60 so far have not yet been made (4) Pisciculture in Bhakra Dam available by the State Government. Lake. (e) Information has been called for (5) Stocking of Chandigarh Lake from the State Government and w ill with fish. be furnished to the Lok Sabha as <6 ) Setting up of a separate Fish­ soon as it is received. eries Section in the State Forest Development in Himachal Government. Pradesh

Animal Husbandry and Milk Supply 1074. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the Schemes in Punjab Minister of Food and Agriculture be pleased to state the financial assist­ 1073. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the ance given to Himachal Pradesh for Minister of Food and Agriculture be forest development during 1959-60 pleased to state: •0 far?

(a) the amount allotted to Punjab The Minister of Agriculture (Dr. P. during the First Five Year Plan for S. Deshmnkh): No financial asistance carrying qut programmes of animal as such is given to Union Territories as husbandry and milk supply in the all the erpenditure incurred by them State; is met by the Centra] Government from fu n voted far the purpose by (b) the amount of money actually the Parliament. The amount provid­ spent; ed for expenditure by the Forest De­ partment, Himachal Pradesh during (c) the amount of money which was 1959-60 is Rs. 65 74 lakhs. allotted to Punjab during the Second Plan period so far for this purpose; Japanese Method of Paddy Cultivation

(d) the amount of money spent so 1075. Shri N. M. Deb: Will the fa?; and Minister of Food ag>4 Agriculture be pleased to stats: (e) whether loahs were advanced to co-operative societies in Punjab for (a) the total acreage of land in the the purchase of milk cattle? country at present cul* ivateT Japanese method of paddy • cultiva­ ' Tto* Deputy Mlofcrtt? of Agriculture tion; and (Shri M. V. Krishnappa): (a) Rs. 3'89 lakhs. •(b) the approximate yield per acre by the fcbavie method? ■ fb ) Rs. 817 lakhs. The Deputy Minister •* Agrieottgra •

( b ) Average yield of paddy per | aft V *JWW: ^ WPPff 11 ■ere from the Japanese Method of Cultivation during 1057-58 w as 28*88 tnds. Complete information regard­ tfPJT «fr * « W W VTJ?!f W f fTtT.tT ing yield per acre for 1958-59 is not snvr | » U'os-n* # «ffa*mpr yet available. vtvmr^rvn:^ ?ooo *o folT I

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conducted before the Second World A yurveda -War for laying a railway line from I'Shrl Raift Krishan Gnpta: Rohtak to Bhiwani and some ex­ penditure was also incurred in thin I Shri Padam Dev: regard; 1879. ^ Shri Bhakt Darsnan: j Shri Hem Raj: ( b ) if so, the reasons as to w hy [ Shri Ramakrishna Reddy: this scheme was left incomplete; and Will the Minister of Health be- pleased to refer to the reply given to (c) whether Government propose to Unstarred Question No. 2543 on the take up this scheme again? 10th September, 1959 and state:

The Deputy Minister of Railways (a) whether Government have since (Shri S. V. Ramaswamy): (a) and considered the recommendations of (b). Although the construction of the the Committee appointed to assess and proposed line was sanctioned in 1926, evaluate the present status of Ayur­ its actual construction did not pro­ ved a; and ceed for want of funds and no ex­ penditure was incurred. (b) if so, the result thereof?

(c) The proposal was not included The Minister of Health (Shri in the recommendations of the State Karmarkar): (a) and (b). The re­ Government for new lines during the commendations of the Comm-nee ap­ Second Plan period and has not so far pointed to assess and evaluate the been approved by the Planning Com­ present status of Ayurveda are still mission. The chances for the cons­ under examination. It may however truction of this line in the near future be added that a Central Council of are remote. Ayurvedic Research has been consti­ tuted as recommended by the Evalua­ tion Committee. Setting op an Up-to-date Hospital tn Bach District Second Bridge on the Yamuna

Shri Ram Krishan Guptar 1*78. Shri Ram Krishan Gnpta: W ill 1886. Shri Bhakt Darshan: the Minister of Health be pleased to 1^ Shri D. C. Sharma: state:

Will the Minister of Railways be (a) whether the scheme for setting pleased to refer to the reply given to up an up-to-date Hospital in each Starred Question No. 237 on the 7th District has been finalised; August, 1959 and state:

(b) if so, the main features of the (a) whether Government have since received the report from the Central scheme; and Water and Power Commission’s Hydraulic Research Station, Poona, (c) nature of steps taken or pro­ regarding the construction of the posed to be taken to implement it? Second bridge on the Yamuna near Tughlakabad; The of Health (Shri (b ) if so, the details thereof; and B n u ik ar): (a) No scheme regard- teg the setting up an up-to-date (c) the decision taken for its final hospital in each District is under con­ location? sideration at present The Depvty Minister of Railways ( b ) and (e). Do not arise. (Shri S. V. Ramaswamy): (a) Yes. 3909 Written Answer> DECKM B gR I. 18B9 Written A nnum y p f

(b ) and (c). According to the Re­ The Minister «f Tianfpsrt «M port of the Hydraulic Research Sta­ CommsnicaUOM (Dr. P. Sabb*raya«>t tion, a clear waterway of 1800* for (a) and (b). The recommendations the proposed bridge will be adequate of the Committee appointed enquire and its proposed alignment 6pposite into the conditions of extra~D«part- Purana Qila has been found suitable. mental Employees in the P & T Further experiments are being made Department are still under th« eon- to determine the best design and sideraton of the Government I Arrangement of the training works. shall place a statement of the recom­ mendations and Government decislona Railway Delegation to Australia thereon soon after the consideration of the report is completed. 1081. Shri Ram Krishan Gopta: W ill the Minister of Railways be pleased New Road Bridge a ear Ssnkrafi tc refer to the reply given to Un­ starred Question No. 1508 on the 25th loftt. f Shrl ® Samanta: August, 1959 and state: \ Shri Snbodh Hansda:

(a) whether Government Have since Will the Minister of Railways be examined the report submitted by the pleased to refer to the "teply given to Railway Delegation which visited Unstarred Question No. 1015 on th* Australia; and 17th August, 1959 and state:

(b ) if so, the result thereof? (a) whether the request of West Bengal Government to share equally The Deputy Minister of Railways the cost of constructing new road <§hrl Shahnawas Khan): (a ) Yes. bridge very near to Railway Bridga No. 17 between Sank rail and Audul on (b) Their observations have been S.E. Railway has since considered; noted and necessary action is being and taken in implementation thereof. (b ) if so, the n a fu r r o f Ttlfe' decision arrived at? Extra-Departmental Staff of P & T Shri Ram Krishan Gopta: The Deputy Minister of Railways Shri Padam Dev: (Shri S. V. Ramaswamy): (a ) The Pandit D. N. Tiwary:' matter is under consideration and it | Shri M. h. Dwivedl: is expected that a decision would b* 1082. J Shri Bhakt Darsban: arrived at shortly. Shri D. C. Sharma: (b) Does not arise. Shri T. B. Vtttal Rao: Shri Tangamam: L Shri Vajpayee: Wagon Repair Workshop, S.E. Railway

W ill the Minister of Transport and f Shri R. C. Majhl: Communications be pleased to refer 1084. Shri Subodh Bansda: io the reply given to Starred Ques­ tion No. 1860 on the 10th September, Will the Minister o< Railway* - bs 1959 and state: pleased to state:

(a) whether Government have since (a ) w h eth er a workshop for repair­ considered the report of the Commit­ ing wagons is proposed to be estab­ tee appointed to enquire into the lished at Chakradharpur 00 the Scmlfc forking oorujitions of extra-depart- Saitam Ra’lwrvuiud : i mental staff of the Posts and Tel*f ( i ) it so, w h etyar.fte re «n i£ graph Department; and ed for this worlu&bp 'turn baen ac­

• «% e Deptity MHHs^er* Railways (e) The most effective way of reduc­ <8 kri Nnlariru u u ): (a ) The ing disparity between contiguous sur­ question of establishing a new wagon plus and deficit States is to allow free ffepair shop o n "the • South Eastern movement between them. However, Hallway has been deferred to Third until that is possible, attempt Is m ad * five Year rtan. to keep the disparity to the minimum by larger distribution of government Cb) Does not arise at this stage. stocks in the deficit State and govern- ment procurement operations in the surplus State. W e«» of BuinfiBl Coounodtttes

Shri IhrW i Chandra Mathnr: ® * ^ 8hrt KaUka Singh:

. Will the Minister of Food and Agri- ealtnre be pleased to state: HTT W W tffr ?o ftrfCjlT, .. (a ) whether Government is aware that there are great variations in K K ^ virrrrfw sprn* hvtt prices (index) of essential commodi­ % TJrTT % H ^ *fr FT! ties from region to region; «e*'r f«F : (b) whether these variations have («p ) been greatly accentuated recently be­ cause of the complexities arising out of the Zonal arrangements and if so, the extent and nature of variations daring the year 1958-59 and at pre­ (* T ) m 5TW sent, and ?, nT*T 3T^T% tflT TTTT-fTI syPT (c ) thf corrective measures, if any, Jr vn fcrcn qft taken or proposed to be taken by Government to minimise these varia­ tions in prices in different regions of twtfrt »rf> (tfyirnrWrT): (« f) the country? -m . 'T . 'f w % f ^ r r ? r f ^ f .. D u Deputy Minister of Food and «PT .— Africa tare (Shri A. M. Thomas): (a) and (b). It is not clear what w* i t h q f a f a r n r * essential commodities the hon. Mem­ bers have in mind. The price of fts H W -iT %rnsr,5 f t * a commodity is generally higher in ’pr t ' i f t * n o a deficit area than in a surplus area. Probably the hon. Members have mind the disparity in prices of f . f n r f t * trT;,T itht food grains between contiguous States. It is correct that where contiguous f t * surplus and deficit States have been separately cordoned off, the disparity f t * i r m fitt prices between them has increased. xtz Vt'tfr wefr *r«r example, the disparity in the Brie*-level of foodgrains between ^ rfV r j f ^ r v *r »f ltadhya Pradesh and Bombay is now double of what It was when * rf * m t - free movement between the two * f-f^nc d r »pt *er* * * States was allowed. SM (1) U 9 .D.—9 *91? Written Answer* DECEMBER & 19 59 Written Answ srt 3 9 14 € t ;tt q$*r f t * t t fn^nr undertaken on a more extensive scale in Himachal Pradesh. fiPsT I I

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Will the Minister of Food and Agri­ *T f ; culture be pleased to state: (W) (a) whether it is a fact that Che problem of soil erosion and silting vrr*r % ^ n t has assumed alarming proportions in 3iT^ «rr?ft wqffipp v*r 5r*r*r- Himachal Pradesh; and vrtt xgt tffr (b ) if so, nature of steps taken or (* t) Tm *rryre ^ firra proposed to be taken to tackle this problem?

The Deputy Minister of Agriculture WlHilxrfV («ftv w w ) :(v)% (Shri M. V. KrUmappa): (a ) Yes. (n) WWPt ^ TRf ^ (b) Soil conservation measures, *fNfa

Besides this, the following works, Tt.T?r ^ ttv ri tt «t« ft bave also been done: iTHremr ir Prow sfafir Jr qv Nam * of schtmt Aria centred 1. Ch mbs Town Develop­ ftreifar | 1 *r* w ar % ment Scheme. 28 acres m«HrPT wrjffiPF ?Nt t 2. Btia .ra Soil Conservation Scheme 2,047 seres %• fw? *n*r, wfnr . Soil Con ervstion De­ monstration Project w wsi tf tv «wwlt % ^ Scheme in Bhakra Catch­ ^ fw ^ fcr | 1 ment. x*iio seres. «F$8P v m «Tfr«r^ ft During the Third Five Year Plan,, tile Soil Conservation and Afforesta­ wifm «<& nf 11 ft pr€l tion measures are proposed to be ft r o fr t f %*& I t j$ l5 Written Answer, AGRAHAYANA 17, 1881 (SAKA) Written Answers 3916

•ebednled Caste* and Scheduled railway line to make it safe for run­ Tribe* employee* at Cochin Pert ning passenger trains during the night; XM9. Shri Kodlyaa: Will the Minis­ ter of Transport and Communication* (b ) whether an estimate of the cost be pleased to stater of those works has since been com­ pleted; and (a) the number of appointments made in the Cochin Port both in the (c ) when these works Will be permanent and temporary services undertaken? for the last three years; The Deputy Minister of Railways (b) the number of seats reserved (£hri S. V. Ramaswamy): (a ) N o such fcr the Scheduled Castes'and Sche­ works are proposed to be carried out, duler Tribes for appointments in these as the m eagre traffic on this section fears in the port; does not warrant the introduction of any night train service.

Kathua Feeder Canal (b) the total demand for the steel pales placed with the Iron and Steel 1090. Shri D. C. Sharma: W ill the Controller for the year 195H-60; and Minister of Irrigation and Power be pleased to refer to the reply given to (c) the requirement of the Posts and Starred Question No. 231 on the 7th Telegraphs Department of Hyderabad August, 1959 and state the amount and Andhra Circles during 1959-69? •pent so far on the construction of The Minister of Transport and Com­ Kathua Feeder Canal? munications (Dr. P. Subbarayan): (a) The Deputy Minister of Irrigation five per cent. ■ad Power (Shri Hathi): The expendi­ (b) Steel poles are manufactured ture incurred by the Government of by P. & T. Workshops from steel Jammu and Kashmir on the Kathua sheets supplied by Iron and Steel Feeder Project to end of June, 1959 Controller. Demand for steel sheet amounts to Rs. 21.65 lakhs approxi­ placed on Iron and Steel Controller mately. for 1959-60 is fo r 1,845 tons. (c ) 17,394 poles. Adilabad-MudkheS Railway Line New Telephone Exchanges In Januaa , / Shri T. B. Vittel Bao; and Kashmir State MW. ^ ghr, TangamanI: 109V Shri Inder J. Malhotra: WIH Will the Minister of Railways be the Minister o f Transport and Com­ pleased to state: munications be pleased to state: (a) what are the works yet to be (a) whether Government Rave any completed on the Adilabad-Mudkhed plans to open new Telephone Ex- J P X 7 #$$*!», 4IWSIP ) j p *

<*um flf*Jn Jqwujau a n d . $ j s ^ r - £ i f * e during 1859-60; and P sttu k at

(I?) if so, the detailstfaexi^of? 4 « w . m t w #. -.m m # * * w m the Minister of TriUM9<>rt « * 6 O f f » - The Minister of Tnoqm riudCtni- aaanlcattona be pleased to state: monications (Dr. P. Subbarayan): (i) (a; whether the Government (b) The opening of two. Exchanges ♦ a y plans to in sU l a direct lit Pam pur and Bijhchara has been line between Kathua (Jbwpunu Jpd sanctioned. Kashmir) apd Pathankot (Punjab); and Fbhcr; In Punjab (to) what is the present arrange­ 199*. Shri AJIt Singh Sarhadi: Will ment of Telegraphic facilities between the Minister of Food and Agriculture Kathua and Basohlie (Jammu and be pleased to state: Kashmir) and between Kathua apd Pathankot? (a) the various types of equipment like cold storage, ice factories, pumps The Minister of TnusNrt and Com­ etc. which have been given to the munications (Dr. P. Subbarayan): (a) Punjab Government during the Kathua C.O. is already connected -Second Five Year Plan so far from with Pathankot on an omnibus tele- such aids received from Technical Co­ (raph circuit operation Administration and other Aid Programmes for development of (b) Kathua and Basoli are not con­ fishing in the country; and nected with each other on a direct telegraph line. Both are connected (b) the centres in the Punjab where by separate lines to Pathankot which such aids are being utilized? serves as a transit station for passing telegraph traffic. The Deputy Minister of Agriculture (Shri M. V. Krishnappa): (a) One Cold Storage Cabinet and 300 lbs. of Report ot Finnish Experts on Forest Nylon Fishing Twine has been sup­ Industries plied to the State of Punjab, under the Indo-American Technical Assist­ Shri Hem BaJ: ance Programmes. Shri D. C. Bharma;

(b) (i) The Cold Storage Cabinet is W ill the Minister of Food and Agrt- being installed at Ludhiana. The enltare be pleased to refer to the building for the installation of the reply given to Unstarred Question plant is under construction and the No. 2908 on the 7th September, 1919 plant is likely to be installed by the and state; end of December, 1959. («) whether the printed copies of (ii) The Nylon Twine was distribut­ the report of the Finnish Experts ©n ed in equal quantity among the Divi­ Forest Industries in Be as area have sional Deputy Wardens of Fisheries at since been received from the Govern­ Patiala, Ambala and Ferozepur. ment of Finland; and Various types of nets have been got prepared and the same are being used (b ) If not, by what time t&ose.&re throughout the State for catching fry expected? _for stocking purposes. The utility of such nets is also being demonstrat­ The Minister of Agrtovitarv (Dr. ed to the Fishermen Community of P. 8. Dflrim iU); (a) and Cb), Coplfci the State who have shown interest in ■'have since 'been plsced in -tbs - such nets. Library of the HarHamont A<5bAHAVA^A if, jWtt (SAKA) WrittenAtevoetk' 392a

m ottfjr a~\6ty lftttTtMT numbed at pfffaed cOfcle* Weffe received, It has not been found pbstfble to place oogfeson the T able of the- Lok Sabha. wto xnt f p n : w r ftrw tf \» vrer, KX.fcfc1 >ifait O«Hi»l gin »im i» tat KmmU m rfftRr jtc* %

nfn; gbH K ««ra*t W in the M inis- * **** % 1% f t ftp : «H^oC Health b» pietoed to state: ( * ) fttit i f g ftafrfi % (• ) the progress so far made in the sur ftRr% ^ ftR T f f t FfbUrfii Cetitrol Programme in K erala; KRff antt {*) t w a r ^tT| n f (b) the amount 10 far spent for the programme in th* State? snraT fiRPft I;

(»l) The Minister of Health (Shri K araarkm r): (a ) Two survey and 6-3/ W far^TT I ; s rk fth control units have so far been allotted to the Government of Kerala (w ) q?p? ijfir f t under the National FTlaria Control fe ’TTf ? Programme. The control units are located at and started functioning in fiw rf ifix fro5? («ft : Trivandrum, Quilon, Ernakulam (1856-57); Kozhikode (1955-56) ( V ) f3| I and Alleppey, Tirur, Cannanore (1957- 68). The surveys to delimit the (*r) *nft fr^ «nrr€ ^tr ^ Filariasis areas in the State are not ht»t *r»ft jct 1 yet completed and have so far cover­ ed a population of 14:54 lakhs. Mass ( n ) < f r v l- urrw Therapy has been completed by the units at Trivandrum, Quilon and $ « Ernakulam and in the urban area (*) (W i h.yx. *rra ^ \ u.ndei the Kozhikode unit. The Pro­ gramme is currently in progress under the Alleppey unit. About 4 56 lakhs Sugar Factories of persons have 50 far received the drug through these units. 1099 J Shri Agadl: \ Shri D. A. Katti: Indoor residual spraying has been W ill the Minister of Food and Agri- regularly carried out by the units at col tore be pleased to state: Trivandrum, Quilon and Ernakulam. 7:01 lakh houses have been sprayed (a) whether it is a fact that the with insecticides In three rounds. sugarcane price and bonus paid in the Mysore State sugar factories is Anti-larval operations are being much lower than the price paid by carried out In the urban area under the sugar factories in Bombay State the units at Trivandrum, Quilon, are* during 1857-58 and 1958-59 CrtUkulMU and Kozhikode •easonsr ib^ A sum of Rs.' IS-*# lakhs baa- ' (b) the rate and bonus paid by the beeetepent up ■ to OeytfeiBber, 1969, 4or various gttg&r factories of Mysore and Fliaoria

(c ) what action Government have (ii) Systematisation of accounts and taken to check this disparity? standardisation of methods must be attended to; The Deputy Minister at Food and Agriculture (Shrl A. M. Thomas): (a) (iii) The number of Thondu Socie­ and (b). The price of cane inclusive ties should be limited; of bonus in Bombay was Rs. 46 per (iv) Primary Societies should be ton in 1957-58 and Rs. 47 per ton in made Societies for the benefit at 1958-59. workers and small manufac­ In Mysore all sugar factories paid turers by confining their acti­ during 1957-58 and 1958-59 seasons vities only to these classes. the minimum sugarcane price of They should arrange sale at Rs. 144 per maund (Rs. 39*2 per ton). coir produced by members The extra price paid in 1957*58 on a through Central Marketing voluntary basis is:— Societies and improve standards and- quality of production to 1. M andya Rs. 4*19 per ton. ensure a uniform price; 2. U g a r K hu rd Rs. 2:53 per ton. (v) The Central Marketing Socie­ The Price Linking Formula has ties should insist 6n im proved been applied on a compulsory basis quality of production and en­ w ith effect from 1958-59 season. The force better standards. Their season has just closed and the position internal and external selling regarding payment of extra price departments should be strength­ would be known after flnalisation of ened. The Societies should be accounts by factories. assisted by Government to provide godown facilities; (c) The quantum of bonus (extra price) will always vary from State to (vi) A systematic procedure for State and factory to factory depend­ intensive supervision by the ing upon recovery, duration of season, department should be followed. sugar price and other local factors. A more thorough system of audit is required. Administra­ Co-operatives in Kerala tive delays should be minimised. 1106. Dr. Ram Subhag Singh: W iU Godown Sheds In n h w ifi Pradesh the Minister of Community Develop­ ment and Co-operation be pleased to 1161. Shrl Dal jit Singh: W ill the state: Minister of Railways be pleased to state: (a) whether any enquiry has been made into the working of the co­ (a ) whether it is a fact that the operatives in Kerala State; and storage godown of Himachal Pradesh at Rupar has been shifted to Kiratpux (b) if so, what are the findings? Sahib; The Deputy Minister of Communi­ (b) if so, whether any godown shed ty Development and Co-operation has been constructed at Kiratpur (Shrl B. S. Mnrthy): (a) An enquiry Sahib; and has been made into the working of the Coir Co-operative Societies alone. (c) the time by which it will be (b) The recommendations relate to constructed to avoid Ion of goods? Thondu (Husk) Societies, Primary The Depaty Minister et Railways Societies, Marketing Societies and (Shrl Shatmawas Khan): (a) No Unions and the administrative set up. The main recommendations are:— Intimation has so far been received Anom the Himachal Pradesh Govt, (i) There should be better co­ regarding the shifting of their storage ordination between the Thondu godown from Rupar to Kiratpur (husk) and Primary Societies; Sahib. 3933 Written Answers AGBAHAYANA17, 1881 (SAKA) Written Answers 3924

(a) whether it is a fact that changes Polo Ground, Imphal are proposed to be introduced in the Indian Airlines Corporation route 1104. Shri L . Achaw Singh: W ill the pattern from 1st December, 1959; and Minister of Health be pleased to state: (b) if so, the details thereof? The Deputy Minister of Civil Avia­ (a) whether it is a fact that tha polo ground at Imphal within the tion (Shri Mohioddin): (a) Yes Sir. Imphal Municipality is being main­ The revised schedule has been an­ tained by the Manipur Administration; nounced and brought into force. and (b) The new schedule has been ( b ) if so, w hether there is any pro­ given wide publicity and some of the posal to allot the polo ground to any important changes made are: sports association or body? (i) Increase in frequencies on the The Minister of Health (Shrl Bombay {Delhi and Bombay) Karmarkar): (a ) Yes. Calcutta Viscount services;

(ii) Eeduction in frequencies on the (b) There is no such proposal. The DelhijCalcutta, Calcutta (Madras, polo ground is allotted to sports and CalcuttajRangoon, Madras) other associations as per rules pres­ Colombo, BombayfKarachi and cribed by the Administration in this Delhi|Karachi Viscount services; behalf.

Delhi | G w alior | Bhopal | Indore| 1105. Shrl V. P. Nayar: W ill the Bombay; Delhi|Panna (non­ Minister of Food and Agriculture bo scheduled). pleased to state:

VMJahhbfeal P iiH CkMt (b) whether a statement showing the per capita consumption at thqe* Shri VasudevRB Nair: items of food in uie vmrfous States for the years .1951 and 1098, State- Will th* Minister of Health be wise, will h#faid" 6n m e lY b ie T pleased to state tbe result achieved' ao'tCar By research at the Vallabhbhai The Minister of .f M and Airtad- Pastel ’Chest Institute in Delhi on the tore (Shri S. K. Patil) : (a) and (b). effect of anti-T.B. drugs on the A statement is laid on the table. tSfc* causative bacilli of the disease? Appendix II, annexure No. 10i:j 1

Tbe Minister of Health (Shri Fisheries of Kcpals State Karmarkar): A new anti-biotic which Shri Vasuderan Nalr: it is claimed has anti-tubercular pro­ f 1198. J Shri Nagi Reddy: perties has been discovered as a result of research in the Vallabhbhai \_Shri V. P. Nayar: Patel Chest Institute. It has been Will the Minister of F*od and found to be active against tubercle Agriculture be pleased to state: bacilli in culture even in small dilu­ tions. Even the crude extract of the (a) whether it is a fact that marine ariii-biotic has very little toxicity in fisheries of Kerala State recorded the animals. Work on purification of the m axim um catch in 1958-59; and anti-biotic and preparation in suffi­ cient quantities for studies In experi­ (b) how much of the increase is due mental tuberculosis is in progress. to improved methods of fishing and how much due to the haul of Sardines A point of interest regarding this and Mackerels? anti-biotic is that it is active against streptomycin resistant tubercle bacilli The Deputy Minister of Agriculture and also against a very resistant micro (Shri M. V. Krishnappa): (a) Marine organism called "Bacillus Pyocyanus”. fisheries of Kerala State did not record the maximum catch in 1958- Considerable difficulties have been 59; the catch was lower than in 1957- experienced in the extraction and 58 when oil Sardines accounted for purification of the anti-biotic in a large percentage. stable form. Work on these lines is in active progress with the help of a (b) Does not arise. grant given by the Indian Council of Railway Schools Medical Research. 1109. Shri Damar: Will the Minister Consumption of Various Types of of Railways be pleased to state; Food In States (a) whether it is a fact that tuition (■ Shri Vasudevan Nalr: fees in Railway schools on Northern HOT. \ 8hri Nagi Reddy: Railway, Eastern Railway and some l^Shri V. P. Nayar: other Railways is realised in cash on the 15th of every month as is done Will the Minister of Food and in the State Government Schools; Agriculture be pleased to state: (b) whether it is also.» fact that (a) the steps taken, if any, to tuition fees In Railway schools m, balance the £reat disparity between Western Railway is realised through vaiidus States in the consumption of salary biUs of Railway . employes* milk fpd nttyk products, meat ahd resulting in noqTrecovegr of,,school poultry and poultry due* lihd in Joss'to lfaih|f$ p r ftuiits and Jlrfh and flah to the ttxne o f , '$0«£ a a d » 4 6 >tlj| ’-Vu.* *‘Vr *** f& l f& Q WritUm.Atm/Utr* A G K A H A Y A N A 17, 1881 (S A K A ) Wrtttm Axmatn 393*

( e V J i«t thi -aotloa proposed to be tity of rice which is being distributed tek^n in the matter? per card-holder at present from the fair, price shops jn, Kerala? , The Deputy Minister Vt B i U m y i (Btal Huluttwu Kiuui): (a) and. T he Deputy Minister of Feed mmd (b ). Both the practices of recovery Agriculture (S h ri A. M. Thom as): One in jsu£i and recovery through salary local measure (Edangali) of about bill# obtain on the Railways, depend* 2-6 lbs. per week. ingon past traditions. To give some examples, while on Northern and P. ft T. Employees, Sambalpvr Ca^tern Railways the former practice 1112. Shri Knmbhar: Will the Minis- obtains in most schools, on the Cen­ ter of Transport and Commitmcaneiif tral, Western and Southern Railways be pleased to state: recovery of fees in respect of children and w ard s of employees is made (a) the number of P. & T. em­ through salary bills and this has not ployees, grade-wise, who have been led to any loss of Railway Revenues. provided Government quarters in Sambalpur Postal Division, so far; (c) Does not arise. and Arrears of Payment cm SJE. Railway (b) when the remaining employee* 111*. Start Auroblndo Ghosal: W ill will be provided Government the Minister of Railways be pleased quarters? to state: The Minister of Transport and Com­ (a) whether on the S.E. Railway munications (Dr. P. Subbarayan): there are considerable arrears in staff matters like payment of new deal, (a) Pay group upto Rs. 55/- 14 payment of Travelling allowance, „ R*. 55-149 103 increments, payment of settlements „ „ Rs. 150-249 5 etc.; and » »> Rs- 250-499 4 (b ) if so, the reasons therefor? (b) In view of the very heavy in­ vestment involved, it is not possible The Deputy Minister of Railways for tne Department to provide depart­ (Shri Shahnawas Khan): (a) and (b). mental quarters for 100 per cent, of The establishment of the South the staff. Cases regarding individual Eastern Railw ay consists of over stations are examined for providing, 1,25,000 regular employees and 60,000 quarters if the circumstances justify casual labour. Delays in payment s'lth a provision and subject to the occur in the case of some of the em­ availability of resources. ployees due to irregular, incomplete or delayed claims resulting in the Family Planning need for scrutiny before sanction. D uring the past one year, steps have 1113. Shri Vidya Charan Shokla: been taken to liquidate the arrears of Will the Minister of Health be plea- claims and a constant watch is now ed to refer to the reply given to U n ­ being maintained. There has been starred Question No. 3282 on the 20th considerable improvement in the April, 1959 and state: position. (a) the amounts actually utilised Pair Prtee Shefe to K enla during 1958-59 and that surrendered by each of the State Governments in r Start Vandm a Nair: respect of the grants sanctioned by the- h i *. J Start P b b b o o m : Central Government for family plan­ I'Shrt WMktt: ning programme; lt l» .the Minister of I M aad Agrt- (b) the tentative allocation made pleeaed to state the (p a n - by the Planning Commission for the ^ 9 2 9 Written Answers DECEM BER 8, 1059 Written Answtn 393©

y e a r 1959-60 for each State for family planning programme; State Rupees In | «lrh« (c) the total amount released to •each of the States so fa r as 'w ays and means advances’ on the basis of the above a.location; and Andhra Pradesh 3-96 Assam 3 00 (d) the steps, that are being taken Bihar 4-00 to ensure that the States utilize the Bombay 9-47 amounts fully? Jammu & Kashmir 047 Kerala The Minister of Health (Shri Kar- 3-75 markar): (a) The information on the M ii.iya Pradesh 3-82 amounts actually utilised during 1958- Madras 6-00 59 on family planning programme from Mysore 3 42 all Ihe States is not yet available. Orissa 4-50 The amounts sanctioned in respect of Punjab 1-5* each State on the basis of actuals for Raja >than 3-oo first nine months and estimates for Uuar PraJesh 7-58 the last three months of 1958*59 are West Bengal 4 7 8 as follows: T otal 59 " 27

State Rupees in lakhs (c) The assistance to State Govern­ ments is released group-wise (Pri­ mary Health Centre and Family Andhra o- 58 Planning) and l/12th of the alloca­ Assam 1-27 tion is released as ways and means Bihar 0-613 advances by the Ministry of Finance Bombay 2 54 in each month. Jammu Sc Kashmir 0057 Kerala 0-98 (d) The State Administrative Medi­ Madhya Pradesh •Not known cal Officers and State Family Plan­ Madras 1 89 ning Officers have been repeatedly Mysore 0-19 requested to utilise the amounts fully. Orissa 0-52 Thii is also emphasised by the Officers Punjab 0 7 * of the Ministry of Health and Direc­ Rajathan 061 torate General of Health Services during their visits to States and at Uttar Pradesh 0553 the meetings of the State Adminis­ West Bengal 206 trative Medical Officer’s and of the Central Family Planning Board (which are attended by State re­ •Sanction was issued in lump sum presentatives). The progress of the tor all the Centrally sponsored schemes in the States is also constant­ schemes, including Family Planning. ly watched by the Ministry.

Final adjustments on the basis of Howe Baildlag Atnaon actuals for the entire year will be sanctioned during the current year. 1114. Bhrtmatl B m Chakrmvartty: Will the Minister of TnuM»ort mad CoaummtaatkMM be pleated to state: (b) The tentative allocation for family planning programme during (a) bow many applications have been 1059-90 are as follow *: received so far by tbe Civil Aviatten 393* Written Answers A G R A H A Y A N A 17, 1861 (S A K A ) Written Answers 3932

Department from employees for house (d) The endemic portions of the** bui.ding advances ior which Govern- districts have received two sprays dur­ inent servants are eligible; and ing the year 1958-59 and another tw# syrays during 1959-60, while those (b) how many have received the portions of these districts which were advances so far? Hydoendemic have received one spray during the year 1959-60. The Deputy Minister of Civil Aviation (Shri Mohlndddln): (a ) The spleen rate has been reduced Twenty-two. from 33-5 per cent, observed in 1853- (b) Six applicants have received the 54 to 4'4 per cent, in 1958-59 for loans. In two cases the Government Mirzapur unit and from 12.2 per cent, have approved the grant of loans and in 1956-57 to 0 6 per cent, fo r Gorakh­ amounts will be paid to the individuals pur East unit. The parasite rate was found to have dropped from 15.3 per after they have completed the neces­ cent, in 1953-54 to 0:1 per cent. 1958- sary formalities. Five applications 59 for the former unit and for the were rejected because the necssary latter from 8-5 per cent, in 1956-57 to conditions were not fulfilled; three 0’5 per cent. 1958-59. The infant para­ were withdrawn and another three site rate in both the units was nil in which were received imcomplete have 1958-59 as against 2 *9 per cent, and been returned for completion. The ’3 per cent, in the year of commence­ remaining three applications which 8 ment of operations for Mirzapur and were received by the Director-General of Civil Aviation very recently are Gorakhpur units respectively. under examination. Locomotives

Malaria in U.P 1116. Shri Kalika Singh:Will the Minister of Railways be pleased to 1115. Shri Kalika Singh: Will the state: Minister of Health be pleased to state: (a) the dates, names of contractors, (a ) whether it is a fact that the the place of signing contracts, the Revenue Divisions of Gorakhpur and prices, the periods of delivery relat­ Varanasi of U.P. are malaria infested ing to BG and MG locomotives which regions; were ordered by the Government of (b) if go, whether Government of India during the years 1955 to 1959 India has started or is about to start (year-wise). nny National Malaria Control Pro­ (b) which of the contracting firms gramme unit in those regions; have failed to carry out the terms of (c) if so, the details thereof; and the contracts; and

(d) the results achieved so far in (c) what steps are being taken the aforesaid region for elimination of against defaulting Arms for recovery malaria? of damages or compensation?

The Minister of Health (Shri Kar- The Deputy Minister of Railways aaarkar): (a) Yes. (Shri Shahnawas Khan): (a ) A state­ ment is placed on the Table of the (b) Yes, these regions are covered Lok Sabha. [See Appendix II, an- under the National Malaria Eradica­ nexure No. 102.] tion Programme. (b) and (c). None. In cases where (c) The entire seventeen million there have been delays in supplies population living in Gorakhpur and action is taken to recover appropriate Varanasi Divisions are covered by damages. The information has been Seventeen National Malaria Eradi­ Incorporated in the statement placed cation Units out of which eight are On the table of the Lok Sabha in reply swhmte and nine are Hypoendemic. to part (a ) of the question. 3933 Written Answers DECEMBER 8, ] PS9 Written Answers 3934

P. & T. Employees, RourkeIa been sanctioned recently and the amount will be given to the Agartala 1117. Dr. Ram Subhag Singh: Will Municipality to enable it to convert the Minister of Transport and Com- most of the town roads into black mnnications be pleased to state: topped ones. (a) whether all the postal employees (ii) Territorial Council is concern- in Rourkela Post Offices absented ed with the roads mentioned at (b) themselves by giving medical certi- of the question. There is at present ficates on the 3rd November, 1959; no provision for converting them into and all-weather ones but ordinary repairs will be done by the Council from time (b) if so, the action taken in the to time. matter? The Minister of Transport and Com- AgartaIa Post Ollice Building munieations (Dr. P. Subbarayan): 1119. Shri Dasaratha Deb: Will the (a) A large number of Postal em- Minister of Transport and Com.m1iDJ... ployees in the Post Officesat Rourkela cations be pleased to state: absented themselves on medical certi- ficates during the period 3rd to 6th (a) whether the present general November, 1959. post office at Agartala, Tripura, is too small to accommodate increasing (b) Arrangements were made tor volume of work; and the sale of stamps, delivery of mails at the window, delivery of telegrams (b) if so, the steps taken towards and express delivery letters and extension of the present accommod- despatch of mars through the staff ation? available and some volunteers. The The Minister of T,ansport and Com- issue of medical certificates to the staff munications (Dr. P. Subbarayan): (a) has been taken up with the State The answer is in the affirmative. Medical Authorities. The D.P.T., Cuttack, is also being asked to deal (b) The proposal to provide addit- with the disciplinary aspect of the ional accommodation as required it case. under consideration of the Director, Posts and Telegraphs, Shillong. Roads in Agartala Goods Train Accidents 1118. Shri Dasaratha Deb: Will the Minister of Health be pleased to state: 1120. Shri Wodeyar: Will the Minis" ter of Railways be pleased to state: (a) whether it is a fact that the roads in Agartala town have deter- (a) what are the number of good. iorated; train accidents (eo.Iision and derail- ment) in Mysore Division from Octo- (b) whether the roads from Jogen- ber, 1958 to October, 1959; dranagar-Sadhhilla, Drkli and other (b) the nature of these accidents; adjoining colonies towards Agartala town are in bad condition; and (c) how many passenger trains were (c) if so, the steps being taken in cancelled as a result of these goods the matter? train accidents in Mysore Division; and (d) what is the loss incurred by the The Minister of Health (Shri Kar- Railways in the form of revenues? markar): (a) and (b). Yes.

(c) (i) The Tripura Administration The Deputy Minister of Railway. had submitted an estimate amounting (Shri S. V. Ramaswamy): (a) During to Rs. 12,02,100for the improvement the period 1st October, 1958 to 31si of roads in Agartals Town. This hse October, 1959, 27 goods train accidents j S g j Writt«»-^l««^rr* AGEAH**AW A 17,

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(o )”17 passenger train* -were can­ ^ t o t celled as a result of these accidents. amrr 1 [ifim ififsw ,

Kosi Co-ordination Board (« ) *ftr (n). m m ?i$r 1 i m . S hrl P. €. Borooab: Wi’l the Minister of Irrigation and Power be Central Government Hospitals la pleased to state: Delhi

(a) whether a meeting of the Kosi 1123. Shrl Rameshwar Tantla: Will Co-ordination Board was held in Nepal the Minister of Health be pleased to •n the 26th September, 1959; and state: -(b) what were the subjects dis- (a) whether it is a fact that Gov­ st sed and decisions taken therein? ernment have decided to air-condition the opera'ion theatres of Central Gov­ The Pepgty Minister of Irrigation ernment hospitals in Delhi; and and Power (Shri Hathi): (a) A meet­ ing of the Kosi Co-ordination Com­ (b ) if so, the details of the scheme? mittee was held at Kathmandu on the 34th September, 1959. The Minister of Health (Shri Kat- markar): (a) No specific decision in (b) A statement containing the re­ regard to the air-conditioning of quisite information is laid on the operation theatres of Government Table. [See Appendix II, annerure hospita s in Delhi has been taken but No. 103.] the operation theatres are generally air-conditioned.

THW £ wwimf * (b ) Sajdarjang Hospital:

There are three operation theatres. Two theatres are fully air-conditionsd and one is only partly air-conditioned « H t f t i m ftp : for want of adequate power supply. It is expected that the latter will be («(>) «WT 7

Irw in Hospital the South of Vinay Nagar will be Four operation theatres in the Irvin stopped as soon as the new cremation Hospital are air-conditioned. ground is provided. Overbridge at Vijyawada Derailment of Katanyl-Qondia Trail 1184. Shri Madhusudan Kao: Will

earlier, although leM optimistic, was Telephone Bills more realistic than the target at 78 1129. Shri P. C. Borooah: W ill the lakh bales tentatively fixed at the Minister of Transport and Communi­ meeting held in the Ministry of Food cations be pleased to state: and Agriculture with the State Techni- cal Officers in July, 1959. The pro­ (a) whether it is a fact that the posals for the Third Five Year Plan Delhi Telephone District is contemplat­ are at present under the consideration ing to introduce a new system of send­ of the Government of India and tar­ ing bills which wou d not be made gets of production would be fixed, separately under different heads like taking into account the requirements the local calls, the trunk calls etc.; and in respect of various commodities, availability of resources, physical (b) if so, the reasons which pro­ potentialities o f development etc. A s mpted the Delhi Telephone District such, it is not possible at this stage to to adopt this new method? give a definite idea regarding the tar­ The Minister of Transport and Com­ get for cotton production in the Third munications (Dr. P. Subbarayan): ( a ) Plan. A system of issuing consolidated bills to telephone subscribers has been in­ Children ran over by Train troduced in the Delhi Te ephone Dis­ trict for bills for November to be f Shri Jadhav: issued in December, 1959. Under this \Sh ri B. C. Mnllick: system only one telephone bill com­ Will the Minister of Railways be prising the following services render­ pleased to state: ed to a subscriber will be issued to him once a month: (a) whether it is a fact that on or about the 15th September, 1959 two ( 1 ) Rental of telephones (including children of a Railway Ga emen came local call charges); under the goods train between Nasik (2) Trunk call charges; Road and Devlali, while the goods train was being shunted without any (3 ) Rental for accessories, viz., prior intimation; extensions, P lu g and SocketSr etc.; (b) whether any compensation has been paid to the Railway Gateman; (4) Charges for extra entries in and Telephone Directories; and (c) whether any responsibility has (5) Miscellaneous charges, e.g.r been fixed for the accident? Shifting charges, Charges for damage or breagake of tele­ The Depot? Minister of Railways phone instrument etc. Se­ (Shri S. V. Ramaswamy): (a ) On 11-9- parate statements showing de­ 1959 at about 13.20 hours during yard tails of the charges for each •hunting operations, two children of the above types of services w ere run over and killed, unnoticed rendered to a subscriber, w ill b y anyone, near Gate Mo. 86 of be enclosed with the con­ D evlali station. solidated b ill wherein the- ( b ) A n ex~gratia payment has al­ totals of these statements will ready been made and no claim for also be shown. compensation has been received so (b) The Scheme is preferred by sub­ tur. scribers. This Scheme w as initially (e) Responsibility will be detennin- tried as an experiment in one Ex­ «d as toon as the enquiry report change In Bombay and on its proving' which is trader scrutiny by the Rail­ a success it has been extended to the way Administration is finalised. whole of the Bombay Telephone Dis­ 394* Written Awwiw m w — r VrtttvvK iftjtSSWil'S ■ .’»J£|3I

trict and also Introduced In the other (ShrttttfW ksifcsrUW aadOrt.Tt three large Telephone System* at Cal­ ?wa» dacldad -that.. fl»o bast wMten cutta, * M « * * fchd 'XHlhi. would be to strengthen the tbatdclat the breach site and train theater.’at Katipet ^ Ita ffW Btitttaa .the original entrance to Mftsulipatam port by suitable training works and UM . Shri Maflhvniflfca Rao: Will providing a mobile sand pump trwafl- ,Jthe Minister of Railways be p’eased ling on a perforated . pile pier mdth ■*o refer to the reply given to Starred needles for regulating the flow, Tb« Question No. '96 on the 4th Augost, State Port Officer, Apdhra Praitash. 1959 ftftd itttte: was asked to prepare necessary plan* and estimates and send them for (a) whether work on the revised scrutiny. He has since written.;to smt plan for remodelling of the yard at that be cannot get the^e designedby Kazipet Railway Station has since his Engineers and wants the Vinist'T ■been started; of Transport to design these for him. (b) whether the revised plan As the Ministry has only one Engi­ Includes the elongation and raising of neer for all the minor ports

G u ild Organisation of Air India Inter­ medical benefits. national pilots has directed its m e m ­ 2. The Government agree with the bers to refrain from receiving training Air-India International that under in i*‘t-aircraft operations ’intil the Indian conditions the final wage struc­ dispute with the management over the ture offered is fair and generous and w ages of pilots and co-pilots was hope that s settlement w ill be reached. settled; and National Harbour Board (b) if so, the action taken 01 pro- posed to be taken in the matter? 1134. Shri P. G. Dob: W ill the Minister of Transport and Communi­ The Deputy Minister of Ci"il Avia­ cations be pleased to state tion (Shri Mohhiddtn): (a) v.v sir 0 hours The Minister of State in the Minis­ pcT month w ill be Rs 2,422 and try of Transport and Comm unicati00s Rs. 2,975 resp ectively as against the (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) The answer e x is tin g em olum ents of Rs 5,322 and is in the affirmative. Rs. 2,487 fo r 90 hours fy in g (T h e (b) A statement is laid or> the Table cxcess fl.ving pay will be Rs. 10.00 per which indicates the important subjects hour.) discussed and the recommendations of ( 11) For co-pilots the min.rr.um and the Board thereon. [See Appendix II, maximum emoluments for SO hours an n exu re N o. 106.) per month will be Rs. 1,909 and (c) The Board did no*, make any Rs. 2,237 as against the existin g em olu ­ recommendation about the develop­ ments of Rs 1,807 and Rs. 1,917 for ment of the Paradip Port 1)0 hours o f flyin g (T h e c-xcess flyin g p ay w ill be Rs. 7.50 per hour.) Night Airmail (iii) For Commanders flying Boeing 1135. Shri Rajajropala Rao: W ill 707 aircraft the minimum and maxi­ the Minister of Transport and Com­ mum emoluments for 80 hours per munications be pleased to rtate: m on th w ill bo Rs. 3,072 and Rs. 3,625 (a) whether there is any proposal w h ich is in clu sive o f a Ji." allow an ce to include Hyderabad in the night air­ o f Rs. 650.00 per month. mail system; and (iv) For Super-Connie Commanders (b) if not, the reasons iheitfor? operating as co-pilots on Boei.ig 707. The Deputy Minister of Civil Avia­ the minimum and maximum emolu­ tion (Shri Mohiuddin): (a; and (b). ments for 80 hours per mcnth will be There is no proposal for tne inclusion Rs. 2,747 and Rs. 3,300 w hich is in clu ­ of Hyderabad in the Night Airmail s iv e o f a Jet allow an ce o f K=. 400.00 system as it will be un-ei:onomical. p e r m onth. Hyderabad is otherwise well connect­ ed by air with Delhi, Madras, Banga­ tv) Apart from the advance in wage lore. Bombav and Vishakaputnam. scales, the offer will result in the Management’s contribution to the Rs. 500. per annum in respect o f C om ­ Railway Time Tables m anders and Rs. 425.. .per annum in 1136. Shri Daljit Singh: W ill the manders and Rs. 425 per annum in Minister of Railw ays be pleased to respect of co-pilots. state: (vi) The Management have also (a) the expenditure incurred on the offered to liberalise sick leave and printing of Railway time tables dur- 298 ( A i ) L S D — 4. 3945 Written Answers DECEM BER 8. 1959 WriUm Aruuiert 3946 in y 1959-60 so fa r; and (b) the number of persons acquit­ (b) the income that accrued to the ted, case-wise; and Railway from the advertisements (c) the number of persons convicted, published in them? case-w ise? The Deputy Minister of Railways (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a) and (b). The Deputy Minister of Railways The total expenditure incurred in the (Shrl Shahnawaz Khan): (a ) 453 prinling of Time Tables and the in­ cases d u rin g 1958-59. N a tu re : A lle g e d come accrued from the advertisements demand and acceptance of illegal grati­ published in the Time Tables during fication, securing employment through 1959-60 (U p to Septem ber, 1959) are spurious certificates, illegal disposal of furnished below: railway property, misappropriation, false mustering, over-classiflcation of Rs. soil in earth work, mis-use of Passe? Total expenditure incurred . 7.79,742-iX approx. etc.

Income from advertisements 92,413 63 (b) and (c). Nil, as they were all approx. dealt with departmentally. The figures in respect of the October, 1959 issue of the Time Table P. & T. Building, Jhargram are not available. 1134 /Shri Subodh Hansda: "^Shri S. C. Samanta: Naming of Brahmaputra Bridge Will the Minister of Transport and 1137. Shrimati Mafida Ahmed: W ill Communications be pleased to state: the Minister of R ailw ays be pleased to state: (a) whether the plan and estimate of the Post Office building at Jhargram. (a) whether Government have received any proposal from the Assam Midnapur District, West Bengal ha~ Government or public of Assam or any been prepared; other organisations of the country for (b ) if so, w h eth er this has been the naming of the Brahmaputra approved by the Government; Bridge; and (c ) if so, w h at is the total estim ate J (b) if so, the decision taken there­ cost of this project; on? The Deputy Minister of Railways (d) when the construction will (Shri S. V. Ramaswamy*: (a ) Yes. actually start; and A suggestion was received from the (e) by what time this will be Assam Sahitya Sabha ‘hrcugh the com pleted? Government of Assam. The Minister of Transport and Com­ (b) Since the Bridge is scheduled munications (Dr. P. Sobbarayan): (a> for completion only in 1062, it has to (e). Only the Preliminary plans been considered premature to give it have been prepared and the same are a name. However, the proposal will under examination. The estimates be given careful consideration at the will be prepared after the plans have time of the opening of *he triage. been finalised. Corruption cases on S.E. Railway The finalisation of the plans, the pre­ paration of the C.P.W.D. estimate, 1138. Shri P. G. Deb: W ill the accordance of Administrative Approval Minister of Railw ays be pleased to and Expenditure Sanction and com­ state: pletion of other C.P.W.D. formalities (a) the number and nature of cor­ will take some time. The actual con­ ruption cases committed by the South struction work will commence only Eastern Railway employees during after these formalities have been gone 1958; through. 3947 A G R A H A Y A N A 17, 1881 (SAKA) Calling Atten- 3948 turn, to M a tte r o f Urgent Public Im p o rta n ce 12 hrs. train which had by then passed the site of the explosion. PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE Fortunately none was injured nor was there any casualty. A portion of R eport o r I n l a n d W ater T r a n sp o r t the track, some sleepers, fish plates C o m m it t e e and bolts etc. were damaged. The Guard of the train immediately The Minister of State in the Minis­ contacted the Station Master, Jako­ try of Transport and Communications (Sbri Raj Bahadur): Sir, I beg to lari who in turn sent messages to all concerned. A relief train was also lay on the Table a copy of the Re­ sent from Amritsar. port of the Inland Water Transport Committee. [P la ced ir1 Library, See Senior Railway, Police and Civil N o. LT-1769- 59]. Officers rushed to the spot and on examination of the site came to the N otification is s u e d u n d k h E s s e n t i a l conclusion that this was an act of C o m m o d i t i e s A c t sabotage with intent to cause a serious The Deputy Minister of Food and derailment involving injury to life Agriculture (Shri A. M. Thomas): Sir, and property. An unexploded bomb 1 beg to lay on the Table, under sub­ was also discovered placed under the section (6) of Section 3 of the Essen­ left rail. The explosives Expert of tial Commodities Act, 1955, a copy of the Military disarmed the explosives. Notification No. G.S.R. 1309 dated th»‘ Senior Police Officers met and dis­ 25th November, 1959. IPioceri in L ib ­ cussed the entire case in the back­ rary. See LT-1770/59I. ground of past incidents and local information and are pursuing all lines of inquiry. CALLING ATTENTION TO MATTER On 16.1.1959, th ere w as a sim ilar OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE explosion on the same section but bet­

E x p l o s i o n o n A m r i t s a r -P a t h a n k o t ween Sarna and Bahroli stations in R a i l w a y t r a c k which the track and the engine of the same train No. 6 ABP sustained Shri S. M. Banerjee (Kanpur): Sir, damage though there was no injury under Rule 197, I beg to call the atten­ or casualty among passengers even tion of the Minister of Railways to then. The scenes of occurrence are the following matter of urgent public about 4 miles apart. The circums­ importance and I request that he may tances indicated that it was a case of make a statement thereon:— sabotage with malicious intent. The “The explosion on the Amrit­ Government Railway Police register­ sar-Pathankot railway track on ed a case under Section 126 Indian the 29th N ovem b er, 1959.” Railways Act and Section 475 of Indian Explosive Act. Two persons The Deputy Minister of Railways suspected in the case were arrested (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): on the by the police and interrogated a few night o f 29-11-59, at about 2.05 months before. That case is still un­ hours while passenger train No. 6 der investigation. ABP was going between Jakolari and Through running of the train in the Sarna stations on the Amritsar-Batala- section was resumed immediately Pathankot section, the Engine Driver after the repairs to the track. Patrol­ heard a loud report of an explosion ling of almost all the sections of the on the track underneath the engine. railway in that area has been intensi­ Recovering quickly from the shock fied. Vigorous effort by the police he put the brakes on and stopped the continues to trace out the culprits. 3949 Calling Attention D E C E M B E R 8, 19S9 ao<0 to Matter of Urgent P ublic Importance Shri S. M. B&aerjee: In this parti- 12.0 5 hn. cular case, has anybody been arres­ ted? DOWRY PROHIBITION BILL—contd.

Shrl Shahnawaz Khan: In this par­ Mr. Speaker: The House will now ticular case so far no arrests have been made. But in the previous case, resume clause-by-clause consideration two arrests have been made. of the Bill to prohibit giving or tak­ ing of dowry as reported by the Joint Committee. Five hours were r w : w 4 allotted and there is no time left ^55 ^•TVTR'^FT fTrf^T^T now. On clause 3 we have already

t o jf? *r% ir rftsR taken 1 hour and 36 minutes.

•h Y forr «rr i ^ *rr^ R w *r s s f t Shrimati Rehu Chakravartty *fr *r f g f a s fr r n ftt«t (Basirhat): Actualy we have held % i wt ?*r% fcr ?rnr g^r % over clause 2. That is the most de­ batable clause and the official amend­ ?nr»r ? ment has just been circulated.

Mr. Speaker: We are in the middle 5n*pwrar w t : ?*r% sttt n ?r*fr of clause 3 now. We shall finish it and then come to clause 2. I shall *Jif ^TTt ^ £ 1 extend the time by one hour. Is it enough? Shri S. M. Baneffjee: Previously in regard to the adjournment motion of Some Hon. Members: Two hours. Shri Vajpayee, he did say that this was an act of sabotage done by some Mr. Speaker: The time may be Pakistani. It was suspected to be so. extended but I think we can finish I want to know whether that was within an hour or at the most an hour true. and a half.

The Minister of Law (Shri A. K. Mr. Speaker: Did he say Pakis­ Sen): An hour should be enough. tani? Mr. Speaker: I will allow an hour Shri Shahnawaz Khan: We never If at the end of that time, hon. Mem­ said that it was a Pakistani We said bers feel that more time is necessary, that it was suspected to be an act of some hon. Member may move for sabotage by somebody outside our extension of time. borders. Shri Raghubir Sahai (.Budaun): Clause 2 which has been held over vft fieri? (=m?r— — is a v e r y im portant clause. It is the srrfrwr) . sr*r *r arr*- crux of the whole thing and so the sngHirrvw w t : wrr will be extended with the consent of | 1 t3*r% «rr*- ^ sfft# arrcn ft the House. I find that on clause 2 a t 1 number of hon. Members have given 395 1 Dowry A G R A H A Y A N A 17, 18«1 (SAK A) Prohibition Bill 3952 notices of amendments and only one Shri Nathwani: My amendments are hon. Member spoke. On clause 3, as Nos. 40, 41 and 42. many as eleven hon. Members have already spoken. Now, let us finish Shri Hajaraavfs: I am accepting clause 3. The hon. Minister. amendments Nos. 41 and 42.

Shrlmatl Rena Chakravartty: Is The Deputy Minister of Law <8hri the hon. Deputy Minister accepting Hajarnavis): Mr. Speaker Sir, there certain amendments? are only two things about which there was a difference of opinion in the Mr. Speaker: Yes. House whether the giver of dowry should also be liable for punishment Shrimati Renu Chakravartty: H e and whether a person found guilty of is accepting all the amendments. the offence should be visited compul­ Then, what was the use of sending it sorily by a sentence of imprisonment. to a Joint Committee?

Now, so far as the giver is concern­ (*i^r=r) : tTSr^ ed, I have already indicated that we will abide by the decision of the House srrsR- 4 t ^ff fftoK *r?ft ¥r as to whether the giver of the dowry fir ^ t o ^ | ? should also be penalised. We our­ selves have come with the provision that both of them should be held Shri Hajarnavis: We are only res­ guilty, but, as I indicated in my open­ toring the provision as it was in the ing speech here, that is a matter original Bill. which may be left to the vote of the Mr. Speaker: Shall I put amend­ House. ments Nos. 41 and 42 first?

So far us alternative punishment is S hri P. R. Patel (Mehsana): Sir, I concerned, we are inclined to the request that amendment No. 4 may view that the discretion may better be put first because the provision here be vested in the Magistrate, who can penalises the giver also and I want always give a punishment appropri­ to take out the word “gives". That ate to the actual nature of the offence. has been indirectly accepted by the There may be extenuating circums­ hon. Minister. tances, the offence may be technical, the dowry may be a small amount Shri Hajarnavis: 1 have not which the court regards technically accepted it. coming within the definition of Shri P. R. Patel: Not so directly, dowry but may be insignificant. but indirectly. Th erefo re, it is not a p roper case where the court should be Shri A. K. Sen: Sir, we have not compelled to give a sentence of im­ accepted it, let me make it quite prisonment and we sholud fetter its clear. I personally feel that if our discretion. On this question we arc- Bill is a healthy measure the giver inclined to the view that the original and the taker are both equally proposal should stand. I would, guilty. It may be a question of therefore, accept Shri Nathwanl’s punishment which may be left to amendments Nos. . . . the court.

Mr. Speaker: Is Shri Nathwani Mr. Speaker: It is only a question o f "or” or “both'” so fa r as imprison­ here? ment and fine are concerned. 'It is Shri Nathwani (Sorath): Yes. left to the discretion of the magis­ trate. I put the amendments Mr, Speaker: 'What at* his amend­ now. ments? 39 53 D ow ry DECEM BER 8, 1839 Prohibition Bill 3954

Shrlmatl Sena Chakrawtty: In Skztautl Beam Chakravartty: Ls it one minute the whole thing is un­ the rule that when we ask for a divi­ done. sion we need not be given a division? I am not quite clear about it. Shri A. K. Sen: Let the House de­ cide. Mr. Speaker: Very well; let the M r. S peaker: T h e question is: lobbies be cleared. After that, I may or may not allow a division, I may P a g e 2, lin e 3 ,— ask hon. Members to rise in their seats. fo r “and also” substitute “ o r ” (4 1 ). Shrimati Renu Chakravartty: As P a ge 2, lin e 4,— lon g as you record the votes, it is all rig h t. a fte r “rupees” insert “or with both ” (4 2) Mr. Speaker: Order, order. I shall Those in favour will please say now put both amendments together to ‘A y e ’. the vote of the House— they mean the same thing. They read as fol­ Several Hon. Members: ‘Aye’. low s:

Mr. Speaker: Those against will Pago 2, line 3,— please say ‘No’. fo r “and also" substitute “ o r” (4 1 ). Some Hon. Members: 'No'. Page 2, line 4,— Mr. Speaker: I tWink the "Ayes’ h ave it. a fte r “rupees’* in sert “ or w ith both” (42) Some Hon. Members: The Noes h ave it. W e w ant a division. For the benefit of those hon. Mem­ bers who were not here when I put Mr. Speaker: All right. Those these amendments to vote I shall ex­ against will rise in their seats. plain the whole thing. Clause 3 re­ lates to the punishment for giving and Shrimati Renu Chakravartty: It taking dowry. The original clause has to be announced, Sir; you have to makes both imprisonment and fine ring the bell. compulsory. The amendments by Mr. Speaker: I am not bound to ring Shri Nathwani, which have been the bell. The hon. Member may accepted by Government, are that in kindly see the rules. I can ask Mem­ place of “and also” the word “or” bers to rise in their seats. may be substituted and in the end after “rupees” insert “or with both”, Shiimati Rena Chakravartty: 1 leaving the discretion to the magis­ think before you count, the bell should trate to impose both if necessary. be rung and after that you may do what you like. Shri A. R. Sen: I may add, Sir, that it is the same as the original M r. Speaker: If only I allow a clause ns introduced in this House. division I need ring the bell; if I do not allow a division the bell need not S h ri BraJ R aj Singh (Firozabad): be rung. If hon. Members are indif­ That is in contravention of the recom­ ferent, let them be indifferent; why mendations of the Joint Committee. should not they be anxious to conti­ nue here? Anyway, I will abide by Mr. Speaker: It also may be noted the rules, whatever they are. Let me that the Joint Committee omitted thl* see the rules. clause, but now Shri Nathwani want* 3955 Dow ry A G R A H A Y A N A 17. 1881 ( SAKA ) Prohibition Bill 3956

1o restore it here and it has the Mr. Speaker: I will add one to the approval of the Government. Now, I Ayes. *hall put the amendments once again. -?srr) : *pfn=r ^r*r t 1 Page 2, line 3.— tavrrtt Rffcnr . m 1 for “and also” substitute “or*’ (41)

Page 2. line 4,— «n?fHTPr faw rr. : 1

a fter “ rupees” insert “or with both'’ «fravfr w t t h w %«rr (^

Mr. Speaker: All right. 1 will add Mr. Speaker: Has any hon. Mem­ one to the Ayes. Now, the result of ber got any correction to make'' the Division is, Ayes 158; Noes 23. Shri P. R. Patel: I am foi A\os. Shri A. K. Sen: The Noes should be But my machine is riol working. 22, Sir. The lady Member over there voted for Ayes but it was recorded Mr. Speaker: 1 will add one 10 thr> as Noes. A yes Mr. Speaker: All right. Now, the Shri N. R. Muniswamy (Vellore)- Ayes have 153; the Noes have 22. The I am for Ayes. 1 could not vote be­ result* is: cause my machine was not function­ ing. A y es 153; Noes 22.

Division No. 61 11*. 20 hrs.

AYES Abdul Liicef, Shri Gh«Uurvedi„ Shn Karmarkar, Shn Abdul Rashid, flakshi Deb, Shri K.M. Kasliwal, Shri Abdul Satara, Shri Dwivedi, Shri M.I. Keihova, Shri Achar, Shri Hacharan, Shri V. Keskar* Dr. Ajit Singh, Shri Oanapathy, Shri Khan, Shri Osmnn All An«v, Dr. M.S. GnnJhi, Shri Pcrorr Khan, Shri Sadath Alt Anjanappu, Shn Qundhi, Shri M.M Khcdkar, Dr. G.B. Arumujjam, Shn R S Oanpiti Ram, Shn Kiledar, Shri R.S. \yyakanrui, Shri Ghodnaar, Shn Fatch.mh Krishna, Shri M.R Balakrisbncs, Shn Gho»h, Shri M.K. Laxmi Bai, Shnmati B&aappa, Shn Oounder, Shn K. I'onaswami Mafida Ahmed, Shriman Bftsusumi, Shn Gobind Da*, Seth Mam, Shri N.B. Bhagavati, Shri Gapta, Shn Ram Kri*han Malhotra, Shn Indcr J. Bhakt Darshan, Shri HajarnBvis, Shri Mai via, Shri K.B. Bbarucha, Shri Nau»hir Heda, Shn Maniyangadan, Shri Bb&tkar, Shn Jagjivan Ram, Shri Mathur, Shri Harish Chandra Bhattacharya, Shn K.C Jain, Shn A.P. Mathur, Shri M.D. Biat, Shri J.B.S. Jena, Shri K.C Mchdi, Shri S.A Biiwat, Shn Bbolanath Jmachandron, Shn Mehta, Shrimtti Krishna Borooah, Shri P. C. Jogcndra Sea, Shn Mithra, Shri JL.Nf. Brii Naraytn * Brijesh', Pandit Joshl, Shn A.C. Misra, Shri R.R. Chaudramani Kalo, Shri Jyotithi, Pandit J.P. Mohidcen, Shri GuUm ♦The result of the division applies to amendments No. 41 and 42 separa­ tely. 3957 Dowry DECEMBER 8, 1959 .Prohibition Bill 393#

M o ta rk a , Shxi Ramaawamy, Shri S.V. Singh, Sards? Jogondra Muninramy, Shri N.R. Ramaawamy, Shri K.S. Singh, Stari D.P. M u ra vu , S h ci P aika R a m aiw am y, S h ci P . Singh, Shri Daljlt Muthukriahnan, Shri Ramdhani Das, Shri Singh, Shri Dineah Naidu, Shri Goviodaiajalu Rane, Shri Singh, Shri K.N. N alr, Shri ICuttifcriahnan Rangarao, Shri Singh, Shri Kamil Nanjappa, Shri Rao, Shri Thirumala Singh, Shri Ragbunath Naraairahan, Shri Reddy, Shri Bali Singhji, Shri Karm Naakar, Shri P. S. Reddy, Shri Ramakrishna Slnha, Shri Anirudh Nathwanl, Shri Reddy, Shri Viawaaatha Sfnha, Shri K.P, Nayar, Dr. SuahiU Roy, Shri Bishwanath Sinh®, Shri Satyendra Narayar* Negi, Shri Nek Ram Sahu, Shri Bhagabat Sinha, Shrimati Tarkeahwari Nehru, Shrimati Um« Sahu, Shri Rameihwftr Snatak, Shri Nardeo Neawi, Shri Sam*nta, Shri S. C- Somani, Shri Pande. Shri C D. Samantsinhar, Dr. Sonavane, Shn Pandcy, Shri K.N. Sankarapandi&n, Shri Subbarayan, Dr. P. Pangarkar, Shri Sarhadi, Shri Ajit Singh Sugondhi, Shn Patel, Shri N.N. Satyabhama Devi, Shrimati Patel, Shri P.R. Selku, Shri Syed Mahmud, Dr. Patel, Shri Rajeahwar Sen, Shri A.K. Tariq, Shri A.M. Patel, Suahri Maniben Shah, Shn Manabendra Tewari, Shri Dwartkanath Pattabhi Raman, Shri C R. Shah, Shrimati Jayabcn Thimmaiah, Shri Prabhakar, Shri Naval Shankaraiya, Shri Tho Shn A M. Raghubir Sahai, Shn Sharma, Shri R.C. 1'iwan, l'aiulit liabu LiU Raj Bahadur, Shri Shivananjappa, Shn Tiwari, Shri R.S. Rajiah, Shri Shrec Narayan Das, Shri U ik c .S h n Ram Garib, Shn Siddananj&ppa, Shri Vedakumari, Kumari M Ram Saran, Shri Siddiah, Shri Ram Shankar Lai, Shn Vya», Shri Radbelal Ranananda Tirtha, Swami Singh, Dr. Ram Subhag Wodeyat Shr i

NOES

Ramam, Shn Banerjee, Shri S.M . Jadhav, Shri Rao, ShriT.B. Vitwl Chakravartty, Shrimati Renu Kodiyan, Shri Saropatb, Sbn DauKa, Shri P.S. Matin, Qazi, Singh, Shn liraj Raj DharmaUngam. Shri Menon, Shn Naroyan*nutty Tangamani, Shu Bliaa, Shri Muhammed Panigrahi, Shri Verm** Shri Ramn Ghose, Shri Subiman ParVQthi Knahnan, Shrim ati Prodbon* .shri B.C. Warior, Shn alder, S h n Rai, Shri Khu&hwaqt

The motion was adopted.

M r. Speaker: W hat ere the other The object of this amendment is amendments? not to penalise the person who gives dowry. Shri Nathwanl (Sorath): I had Let the lobbies be cleared. amendment No. 40. Shri Nathwanl: I would request Shri P. R. Patel: I moved amend­ you to explain that the Governm ent ment No. 4 which i6 to the same have left the decision to this House effect. regarding this amendment. Shri A. K. Sen: I made it quite Mr. Speaker: Order, order. Hon. clear that the Government wa* Members will resume their seats and against this amendment. Naturally, follow the discussion in the House. they have left it to the House, but The amendment reads: the Government is of the view that if the giver of the dowry is comple­ Page 2, line 1, omit “gives or" tely exonerated, the Bill 'will b» (4). shorn of most of its value. 3959 Dow ry AGRAHAYANA 17, 1881 (SAKA) Prohibition Bill 3960

Shrimati Benu Chakravartty: Is this Mr. Speaker: Has it been recorded the way we discuss on the floor of fo r A yes? this House— whether the Government has a free whip or not? It is up to S h ri P. S. Daulta: No. 1 have voted the House to decide the issue. Why for Noes, but it is not recorded. should Shri Nathwani make this point here? Mr. Speaker: I will add 1 to the Noes. Shri Nathwani: I wish to point out that in his reply to the discus­ Pandit Thakor Das BJiargava: I sion on clause 3, the hon. Deputy wanted to vote for Ayes, but my Minister did not say specifically to vote is not recorded at all. that effect, but said that he would leave the decision to the House. If Mr. Speaker: I will add 1 to the I am incorrect, I may be corrected. A yes.

Mr. Speaker: Hon. Members will Shri M. M. Gandhi (Panchama- kindly appreciate the scope of my hals): My vote may be added to the statement. I am entitled to place the Noes. amendment before the House for the benefit of hon. Members who were not here. Beyond that, I am not The Deputy Minister of Railways going to be the agent of the Govern­ (Shri S. V. Ramaswamy): I pressed ment or of any hon. Member of this the wrong button. My vote is for House, or of the Opposition also. Noes and not for Ayes. Therefore, except explaining the nature of the amendment I am not going to say which hon. Member is M r. Speaker: So, I will subtract 1 in fa vou r o r is against it. I am not from Ayes and add 1 to the Noes. going to repeat what I said just a little earlier Shri P. Ramaswamy (Mahbubnagar — Reserved— Sch. Castes): We are six Shri Jhunjhunwala (Bhagalpur): Members on this bench and th e W h at is the am endment? machine is not working. We are all for Noes. Mr. Speaker: I will again put the amendment to the House. The ques­ Mr. Speaker: Let them stand in tion is: their seats.

page 2, line 1 o m it “gives or” (4) Sarvashri P. Ramaswamy, Rama- krishna Reddy (Hindupur), Bali Under this clause, clause 3, both Reddy (Markapur), Rajiah (Nal- the giver and the taker of the dowry gonda—Reserved—Sch. Castes), An- are penalised. But the amendment janappa (Nellore—Reserved — Sch. Castes) and K. V. Padalu (Golu- is that those who give may be ex­ cluded and that they may not be gonda— Reserved— Sch. Tribes) rose— punished. Mr. Speaker: I will add 6 to the The Lok Sabha divided. Noes. The result of the division is as follows: Shrl P. S. Daulta (Jhajjar): My vote may be added for Noes. A yes *41; Noes 141.

‘The figure was corrected as 39, vide Debates dated 9-12-50. 3961 Dotary DECEMBER 8, 1959 ,Pro^i6ttum ^ $ 62 Division No. 71 ilt M hr*. AYES Abdul Salaro, Shri Mor«rks, S hri Acfcw, Shri ShukU, Sbti V i d « C3»»t*h Dr. M S. Nathwani, Shrl Singh* Shrl Kamal Bhtfct D*r*ht&, Shri N#yai\ Dr, Suahila Singbii, sbri K m i Bhajgava, Pandit Tbtkur Daa Shrl Sinha, Stlfl K . P. Bhuucha, Shti Nauthlr ptodc, Shri C. O. Somani» Shri Sbri BhoJtanh Patel, Shri P. K. Sonavanc, Shri Da* Gupta, Shri B. PiiJai, Shti 7'Mnu Sttgandbl, Shr’ Ghidaur Shri Fftch*inh R*rt Shankar La}, Shri Tiw*ri,P»tt4«i Sabu Jiio, Shri A, P. far»o, Shti Vodcfar. Sitr: ihungbuawtl* Shrt Roy, Shri Biah«r*nath M-Jthot, Shri Kttith Chindra Sifcu* Shri Bhagabat M»tbat, Shtf M. D Sttyabhanu Deri, Sbrimiti M«Un, Q u j Sb«b, Shti M>%ft%btndr* M iira, Shri R. R Shrec Varafin Da*, Sbri Mofcidetn. $hr\ CVuUm

NOES

Abdul Latcel. Shri Joahif ShrjA C. Prodhw , Sbrj B, C. Abdul Rwtud, B*kh*hi /yutisfii, Pandit ]. P. Raghararaafab, Shri Ajit Singh, Sbri Karmarkar, Shri Raf, Shri Khuihwaqi Anjanappa, Sbri KaiiiwaJ, Shri R *i Bahadur, Shrr Arumugam, Shrl R. Khan, Sbri 0*nian Ali Shri Ayyakannu, Shri Khan, Shri Sad&tb Ah Ram Satan, Sbri Baiakriihnan, Shti Khedkar, Dr. G. B. Rama®, sbri Bsotrjre, Shri S, M, Kiltdar, Shri R. S. Ramttunda Tirtba, Swami BttWtjcc, Shri P. B, JCodtyan, Shri Ramaawaraj, Shri S. V. Basappa, Shri La*mi B«i> Shrimati Ramaswamr, Shri K, S. Baiumatari, Shri Mafida Ahmed, Shrimati Rajnaawaniy, Sbri P. Bhagavati, Sbri Mahagaonkar, Shri Rarodhani Das, Shri Bhatkar, Shri Maiti, Shti N. B- Ratie, Shrl Bhattacbarya, Sbri C. K. Mahadeo Prasad, Shri Rao, Shn T. B VittjJ BUt, ShiiJ.B. S, Malhotra, Shri fndcr J. Rap, Shri ThirUmala Onrouah, Shri P. C Malvia, Shri K .V R^ddr, Sbri Dj»|j Rrabm Prakojh, Ch Mamyiu^adan, Shn Reddy, Shri Rarruknahna Chakravartty, Shnmiti Rcmt Deei, Shriroif/ R^ddy, Shri ViwaiMthtf Chandraraani Kalo, Shn MchJi, Shri S. A. Sah«, Shn Krtm?»hv.ar Chaturvtdi, Sbri Mehta, shnnxiti Krishna Saigal, Sardnr A. S DauiCe, Shri P S Me non, Shri M-irayanankuuy Samantsinhar, Dr. Deb, Shri N . M. Misrn, S h rill D. Sankarapandian, Shri DhftrmtZiftgtm, 2»hr* Murmu, Shri P^ika Sarhadj, Shri A ;ij Singh Dube, Sbri Mulchand Mmatir, Gi'ini, G. S. Selku. Shri Dwivedi, Shri M. L Muthwkriihnon, $hn Sen, Shri A. K., Kacharan, Shn V, Nad.tr, shri Th^nytingam Shankataiyo, Shri Elias, Shri Mvthamrocd Nair, Shri Kuttikrishftan Sharma, J>andi(K. nan^pelhy, Shn Naldurgkar* Shft vSharm'j, ShriR. C Gandhi, Shri M. M Nanjoppa, Shri Shi^ananjappd, Shn Ganpati Kim, Shn Nar.ijimban, Shu Siddan^njappa, Shn Gho&> Shn Padalu, Shri K. V. Singh, Shii D*ljit f (aider, Shri Pandey, Sbri K. K Singh, Shri Dtneih Hath), Shri Ptngarkar, Shri Singh, Shri X .H . Hawrika, Shri J. N P«nigrahi, Sbri Singh, ShriRfcghunath Heda, Shri Parvalhi Kritbnan, Sbrimatt Sinhe* Shri Aairudb Snatak, Shri Ntfdoo Jadhit, Shri P«el,ShriN. H, Sabbuayao, Dr. P. Jena, Shri K, C Puct.Suthri M«Qibeo Jin* chandra t>, Shri Pattabhi Raraan, Shri C. R 3ubrtmtfly«pi« SJiri T, Jondra Sen, Shri Prabhakar, Shrl Niral 3963 D ow ry A G R A H A Y A N A 17. 1881 (SAK A) Prohibition Bill 3964

Tangamani, Shri Tjwiri, Sbri R. S. Vernw, Shri Ramn Tariq, Shri A.M. Tiwary. Pandit U. N . Vyaa.Sbri KadheU! fhimraaiah, Shn Uite, Shn Warior, Shn Vedakutnari, Kuntari M. The motion was negatived

Mr. Speaker: I shall now put all Shri Narayanankutty Menon (Mu- ^Iher amendments. kandapuram): I would like to speak on my amendment No. 7. Before Amendments Nos. 5, 20, 70, 25, 26. submitting our views and the d etails 64, 65 and 60 were put and negativ­ of the amendments moved by us, w e ed. wish to oppose the amendment moved by the hon. Minister tooth and nail. Mr. Speaker: The question is: Sir, the Bill was referred to a Joint ‘That clause S, as amended, stand Committee, of which both the hon. part of the Bill". Minister and the hon. Deputy Minis­ ter were members. When this Bill The motion was adopted. was introduced, we were under the impression that the hon. Minister re­ Clause 3. an amended, was added to ally wanted to check this pernicious the B ill. system of dowry and we extended all our co-operation, in order to see that Clause 2 ( D efinit on o f “ d ow ry ” ) — the legislation is made as foolproof contd. as possible. But considering some of the vital amendments moved by Gov­ Mr. Speaker: We will now finish ernment, we are compelled to think .'lause 2. that there is an ignominious surren­ Pandit Thakur Das Bhargava (His- der; some of the ideas are most re­ sar): Yesterday we indicated a num­ actionary and they make this piece of ber of amendments Arc we allowed legislation a laughing-stock before the to speak on them? people, because nothing that we seek to prevent will be prevented by this Mr. Speaker: All those amend­ legislation. ments arc there. I will call the hon Members one by one. First of all. The amendment that has been let mr ask the hon. Minister if he moved by Government today will has moved his amendment. lejrali.se d o w ry w h e re v e r d o w ry has been paid by custom. In India today Shri Ilajarnavis: I have moved my dowry has become a custom as far as am endm ent. the people are concerned and in exer­ cise of the right of this custom, Mr. Speaker: Does he want to bridgegrooms and their fathers are speak on it now? demanding dowry. We wanted to Shri Hajarnavis: I should like to prevent that evil custom, but the reply after I have heard the other Government’s amendment tanta- hon. Members. mounts to legalising dowry where that dowry has been paid by custom. Shri Aurobindo Ghosal (Uluberia): This will completely nullify the entire I would like to move my amendment. provisions of the Bill. Mr. Speaker: I am not going to If the hon. Minister is serious about allow amendments to be moved afresh. this amendment and if he is to be Whoever has given the numbers of honest to himself, to his party and to the amendments and which have been the House, I would request him to recorded, I will allow only those withdraw the entire Bill and tell the amendments. I will allow those hon. House that the Government is not Members to refer to those am end­ prepared to bring forward a measure ments. No fresh amendments will like that and implement it. But be allow ed. there is no way of going back from 3 965 D ow ry DECEM BER 8, 1999 .Prohibition Bill 3966

[S h ri Narayanankutty Menon] the amendments moved and adopted ment is not committed to pressing this in the Joint Committee. The Joint amendment. There were a lo t erf Committee deliberated over this Bill apprehensions about the scope of the for days and days together. There definition. So, I may make it quite was ample time for Government to clear at the very outset that we are push forward these viewpoints be­ not committed to this amendment. It fore the Committee. The hon. Minis­ is only for consideration of the House ter who represented the Government and if the House is really against the on the Joint Committee agreed with amendment, we shall not press it. this particular definition and we are only supporting the definition almost Shri Narayananlcntty Menon: I am unanimously recommended by the glad. Joint Committee. After deliberating for so many days in the Joint Com­ Mr. Speaker: For the benefit of hon. mittee, I fail to understand what Members I may state that yesterday made the hon. Minister go back and Shrimati Renu Chakravartty stated move this amendment. Is it because that the original clause does not cover the hon. mover of the motion com­ the case of a practice prevailing in mending the Bill to the Joint Com­ Bengal of the father being obliged tc mittee all on a sudden decided to give so much of gold to the daughter change his viewpoint about the per­ The words used in the clause are: nicious system of dowry or has he “to one party to a marriage or realised that the legislation is too to any other person on behalf hard as far as certain sections of his of such party by the other party party are concerned? If that is so, let to the marriage or by any other him tell so honestly, so that this hon. person on behalf of such other House, which gives so much weight p a rty". to the recommendation of the Joint Committee may realise that Govern­ The hon. Member said that if it is ment have gone back upon their own forced from the parent itself “other promise and declaration, as far as party” does not come into the ques­ the introduction of the Bill is con­ tion. Therefore, some provision cerned. Therefore, I make an honest should be made. I thought this has appeal to the hon. Minister that if he been made for that. is really serious about checking this pernicious system of dowry, if he Shri A. K. Sen: Exactly. attaches even one per cent of value to his own declaration, which he Mr. Speaker: If this explanation is made both on the floor of the House not there, it would mean that even and outside, he should withdraw this the parent cannot give anything amendment and allow the Bill to be Now, it is the custom in some places passed as it is, or if he now realises to give some ornaments etc. at the that the time has not come for the time of the marriage. The idea of Congress Party to pass this legis­ the Government evidently is to make lation, let him withdraw the entire the position quite clear. I do not legislation and come forward with think the Government wanted to go another consolidated piece of legis­ back. In fact, this is in pursuance of lation to check this pernicious sys­ the suggestion made by the hon. tem of dowry. Otherwise, I say with Members. Of course, if the language all seriousness that if this House does not carry out the intention, the passes a legislation like this, people hon. Minister will have to look into outside w ill think... it.

Shri A. K. Sen: Perhaps I may Shri A. K. S«n: As the mm. Mem state it at this stage that this was ber, Shrimati Rena Chakravartty, only a suggestion and the Govern­ pointed out, there are certain States 3967 D ow ry A G R A H A Y A N A 17, 1881 (SAK A) Prohibition Bill 3968 w h ere certain customary presents are Mr. Speaker: Let us come to an absolutely obligatory at the time of extreme case, the exchange of rings, marriage; for instance, the m a n ga t- which is the tradition in almost all suira in Maharashtra and Lo h a and parts of the country. One party gives sanka in Bengal. There are many it to the other party, and it is for the other presents which are customary purpose of the marriage. Without and which should be given as part of the explanation, even that will be­ the religious ceremony. The whole come an offence. purpose of this amendment 5s to cover those cases. Shrimati Rena Chakravartty: There is an amendment by Shri Jaahav on Pandit Thakur Das Bhargava: May this point. I ask one question? Is the Law Minister, or the Deputy Law Minis­ Shri Narayanankutty Menon: We ter bound by the amendment or not? want to make it clear what our view Ah a matter of fact, when the Bill is on the Government amendment. was brought here, when it was re­ ferred to the Joint Comirrttee, the hon. Law Minister was pleased to state M r. Speaker: I believe the intention that strtdhon is not included m is to restrict and avoid anything dowTy. So fa r as the voluntary gifts being given by way of extortion, at art' concerned, the hon. D eputy the same time, excluding other smaller M in ister said the same thing. Now ones which, by custom and habit, will understand w h at is the r»»al form a necessary part of the mar­ : of the hon. Law Minister, riage ceremony. So, ’t is oniy the nd was saying that they language of the explanation that has w ith d ra w the B ill as the to be considered. f the Joint Committee can rot ly supported. I tnink that is Shri Narayanankutty Menon: If the mark. that is the intention, and if it is pos­ sible by incorporating this explana­ Mr. Speaker: The hor:. Member tion to carry out that intention, there will have an opportunity .0 have his is no objection to that. But what I say am pointing out is that there is a danger inherent in the explanation it­ Shri Narayanankutty Menor.. I did self, because even dowry which has been paid or given at the time of not say that there is anything tech­ the marriage will be legalised by nically wrong in referring it back to this explanation. Because, already the Joint Committee. If this explana­ the inherent danger of not being able tion accepted, if it is added to the clause, the difficulty, first of all, will to prove whether it was a considera­ be of proving whether the presents tion for the marriage or not is there. made, or property handed over, was The position is complicated even as it in consideration of the marriage. As is. By the addition of this expla­ it is a subjective satisfaction whe­ nation the position becomes more com­ ther it is “in consideration of the plicated, becauce there is the use of m a rriage” , there is '•!read y a difficu lty the word “custom” and it is difficult in defining “dowry” and also bringing to prove what is sanctioned by home the guilt of the particular custom. Therefor*, my submission is accused, as “in consideration of the that if this explanation is added to the marriage” entirely depends upon the clause, it would be impossible to mental condition of the accused; that bring anybody to book for the offence is, whether he thinks that property of giving dowry. has been given in consideration of the marriage. Suppose he com es forw a rd Shri C. B. PatiahhJ Raman (Kum- and says “this is in consideration for bakonam): May I explain the posi­ my love and affection”. tion? 3969 D ow ry DECEMBER 8, 1*W Prohibition B ill 3970

what is the definition of dowry. It is M r. Speaker: I will give the hon. said that what is going to be pre­ Member another opportunity. By this vented is the extortion of money; cross explanation hon. Members will that means, making it a term of the lose the benefit of impressing the contract. If my son wants to marry Rouse. People will take it as some objection, intervention or obstruction and you pay that money, there U absolutely no difference at all bet­ and will not pay heed to what the ween paying that particular amount hon. Member says, however interest­ to the bridegroom at that time or ing or good it might be. some other time, or making » differ­ Shri Narayanankutty Men on: In entiation between dowry and gift. respect of this clause, as recommend­ ed by the Joint Committee, we have I have pointed out how the Joint suggested another amendment, and Committee deleted the exemption 1 should like hon. Members to con­ clause o f Rs. 2,000. I find fro m th e sider amendment No. 7. As far as minutes that there was deliberation amendment No. 7 is concerned, what in the Joint Committee and the would be the difficulty in defining members of the Joint Committee were "dowry” and what would be the not agreeable for presents up to a inherent danger as far as that defi­ valu e o f Rs. 2,000 to be exem p ted nition is concerned? If the intention from the penal provisions of the Bill. is to prohibit the giving of dowry, at What was the intention of the Joint the same time legalising certain cus­ Committee? The intention was very toms of giving presents alone, even clear; the Joint Committee was not then by definition it could be done, prepared even to allow gifts or pre­ instead of adding an explanatory sents which were provided in the ori­ clause, which is a long and compli­ ginal Bill as moved by the hon. cated one which is full of danger to Minister on the floor of this House, both those are giving and receiving namely, up to a value of Rs. 2,000. dowry. Therefore, I appeal to the The intention was quite clear: if the hon. Minister that in order to carry exemption was there of presents out the intention of the Bill, which w orth Rs. 2,000, in alm ost a ll middle- factor itself is a very complicated, class families the system of dowry difficult and composite one, to accept will continue. my amendment, which is so simple in character, in order to lessen :be So, in consonance with the recom­ difficulties of the prosecution in a mendations of the Joint Committee particular case. I hope that when in deleting the clause about presents the hon. Minister explained that the worth Rs 2,000, this explanation will Government does not stand com­ not stand. This explanation, as moved mitted to the amendment moved by by the hon. Minister, is an indirect the hon. Minister, and the intention way of restoring the exemption clause of the Government is only not in which has been rejected by the joint penalise certain custom which is Committee, and that is why I say that existing in West Bengal... this is legalising a custom which has already been rejected by the Joint S b ri A . K . Sen: Not in Bengal alone Committee, by their rejecting the but all over the country; I never said exemption clause of Rs. 2,000. There­ West Bengal. fore, I would submit that if we pass this legislation as it is, som e w a y o r Shri Narayanankutty Menon: Then the other, at least in some direction the matter is so clear. If the custom the giving and taking of dowry I* prevalent all over the country of pay­ prevented. But if we in this House ing presents at the time of the mar­ itself provide loopholes in order that riage by those who are related are anybody who asks dowry, or who to be legalised, we fail to understand takes dowry can escape, there is no 3971 Dowry A G R A H A Y A N A 17, 1881 (SAK A) Prohibition Bill 3972 point in passing this Bill. Therefore, Mover, it is superfluous. It says some­ if the intention o f the G overn m en t is, thing which is covered by the main as explained by the hon. Minister, to part, that is unless it is given as consi­ see that this pernicious system o f deration. If presents which are cus­ dowry is removed, then this expla­ tomary or given in accordance with nation will not help them and this usage mean only those which are not will give a blanket moratorium to in the nature of extortion, which are pay dowry, to get dowry and to ask not given by way consideration, the for dowry. Therefore, this explana­ same provision is made by the subs­ tion is very much dangrous. A better tantive or main part. I do not see any explanation in which the view of the justification for adding the Explana­ Joint Committee will be reflected in­ tion Therefore, just for the sake of a cluding their rejection of the Rs 2000 change, I would support what my exemption should be accepted by the hon. friend Shri Narayanankutty Government. 1 do not think that any Menon has just now said, It is likely feasible argument could be put for­ otherwise to cause confusion, There­ ward or difficuties could be put for­ fore, the Explanation is not necessary ward whereby the other provisions of at all. It will lead to confusion and the Bill will be defeated by giving a it may stifle or defeat the whole pur­ simpler explanation of that point. pose of the Bill. Custom or usage may be interpreted or construed as dowry which is also customary, which also obtains as a practice in m any parts. Shri Nathwani: I have moved two amendments to clause 2. Before 1 come to that, I would like to deal with Then, 1 come to my two amend­ the amendment moved by the hon ments. They are small ones but they Minister. As regards the explanation, are important: amendment Nos. 39 difficulty is caused by the use of the and 48. First I will deal with amend­ words custom or usage. Whereas the ment No. 48. In clatise 2 it is stated hon. Minister was pleased to say that when any property is given by either 1he intention is to cover those cases party to the other party or to some w h f re som ething is given which is other person on behalf of that other considered as auspicious, and not party. I am objecting to the use of something which is extorted by one the words “on behalf of the other party from the other. But, as the party". Suppose the father of the words stand, custom or usage will girl gives a sum of money, say include the custom of dowry also. In Rs 10,000 to the father of the bride­ one breath he says that dowry is a groom The father of the bridegroom custom though an evil one and when receives it on his own. He does not used in the explanation, he wants receive it on behalf o f the bridegroom. to restrict it to presents given at the time of marriage which are consider­ ed very auspicious and which are not Mr. Speaker: Is this an amendment objected to by anybody and which are to the amendment? within their means For instance, in my part, there is a custom of giving Shri Nathwanl: It is an am endm ent something, some ornaments known as to the original clause 2. In the manga I sutra, nose ring and ear ring, amendment itself, you will see that which do not cost much and which the same words occur everybody accepts that no hardship is involved. It is considered part of religious ceremony. But when we Mr. Speaker: I agree. Now that look at the Explanation as it stands, the Government has got this amend­ even if we read it in the sense in ment, any amendment to this amend­ which it is sought to be read by the ment will be all right. 3973 Dowry DECEMBER 8, 195» Prohibition. Sill 3974

S h ri Nathw ani: If you look at Shri Nathwani: Amendment re ­ clause 2 (b), it says: fers to money given either to the bride­ groom or the bride or to some other “by the parents of either party person on his behalf. Therefore, to a marriage or by any other whatever is given is held in trust by person, to either party to the the recipient for the bride or the marriage or to any other person bridegroom. That is what the section on behalf of either party;’’ requires. Here, in practice, the father or the guardian receives it for him­ The expression “on behalf of either self in consideration of his son agree­ party" occurs also in the amendment. ing to marry the other party. That is I am objecting to the use of the words the force of my contention. Suppose “on behalf of either party”. If moneys the section stands as it is and a prose­ are given by one party or on behalf of cution is launched. X is the father. one party to the other party or to any If you try to follow my agrument other person, then it should be made perhaps, ray point of view may be­ punishable. Then, it should be treat­ come clear. I take a concrete case. ed as dowry. You need not say that Suppose the father of the bridegroom the other person, namely the father or received Rs. 20,000 b efo re he allow s parent or guardian of the bridegroom his son to agree or his son agrees to receiving it must receive it on behalf the marriage. The prosecution is of the bridegroom. I am taking this launched. The father would say that illustration to make clear my point the section requires that he should o f view . receive on behalf of his son. The money is in my hands for himself. The Mr. Speaker: The word ‘bridegroom section says, it should be received by •or spouse’ is not used in the him on behalf of bridegroom. No­ •Government amendment. By one thing doing. He has not received on party to a marriage to the other his behalf. Bridegroom does not claim party—it only means the bride and it. I do not say that I have received the bridegroom. it on behalf of his son. He has no claim to anything from this. He is Shri Nathwani: It may be either receiving it on my own. the bride or the bridegroom. Suppose Mr. Speaker: But, it is in considera­ the father of the bride or the bride­ tion of the marriage. groom receives the money. The second point is, he should receive it on Shri Nathwani: Certainly in consi­ behalf of the bride or the bridegroom. deration. But, he does not receive on behalf of a party to the marriage. M r. S peaker: W h at else is it? Mr. Speaker: Does anybody believe Shri Nathwani: He may receive on that the father will be given money "his own account. He keeps it with in consideration of the marriage ahd h im self not on behalf of the son?

Mr. Speaker: There is no such case. Shri P. R. Patel: It is not possible If the boy refuses to marry? It is as to settle a marriage. The father of the if this man is going to marry. son says, you must g iv e vne Rs. 5000; not to the girl or the boy, but you Shri Nathwani: It is not always must give me. What will happen? the boy who receives the money. It is not on behalf of the girl or boy. Mr. Speaker: Well; let the hon. Mr. Speaker: It is in consideration Member go on. of the boy marrying the girl. It is not on account of the old man appearing Shri Nathwani: According to me, on the stage. even if the hon. Minister . . . 5975 *>ou>ry A G R A H A Y A N A 17, 1881 (SAKA) Prohibition Bill 3976

Shri A. SL Sen: I think there is Shti Narayanankulty Menon: Don’t some substance m what Shri Nathwani tell it now. says. There is a possibility of the father receiving money, not on behalf Shrl Nathwani: W ith a v ie w to con­ of his son or daughter, but on his own vince the Members about the cogency behalf, in consideration of the marri­ of my argument I am taking this age of the two. illustration. Do not think otherwise.

13 hrs. Shri Narayanankutty Menon: If your amendment is not accepted, this Shri Nathwani: I am glad that the will be taken. hon. Minister says there is some force. I will leave it at that. To me it ap­ Shri Nathwani: Nobody will come pears that oth erw ise there is a lacuna and consult me, don’t worry about •which may be taken advantage of. that But suppose at the time of betrothal a gift is made, then the Shri Subiman Ghose (Burdwan); It marriage has not taken place, and it is full of lacunae. may take place a year after the betrothal. Shri Nathwani; We must try to cover them up as fa r as possible. W e Shri P. R. Patel: After one year. m ay argue here, that is all. It is not for anyone of us to say that certain Shri C. D. Pande (Naini Tal): O r does not take place at all. thing must be done, or must be accept­ ed. Shri Nathwani: At that stage I sub­ mit no offence has been created. Then I come to my amendment 39. Again an amendment is sought to be Mr. Speaker: Therefore, what is his made with a view to cover a loophole. suggestion? If you see the original clause 2 or even the amendment, you will see that the Shri Nathwani: T h e suggestion is property is to be received or given by to add the words “betrothal or” after the words “party to a”. In the BiJl one party to a marriage to the other that was moved by Shrimati Renuka party to the marriage. I emphasize Ray both the words were there. the words “party to the marrige”. At the time of betrothal there is no mar­ Shri C. D. Pande: May I ask him riage. that must be borne in mind. one question? In case the betrothal There are two stages. There may be takes place and the money is passed betrothal and at a later stage there on, and the marriage does not take ie marriage. So, a party to a betrothal place, is it an offence? Marriage is does not necessarily become a party the main thing; not the betrothal for to a marriage. Marriage may take place constituting an offence. after some time. The words “betro­ thal” and “marriage” occur in the Shri Morarka (Jhunjhunu): Dowry clause itself, and they are used for is the m ain thing. different purposes. Suppose at the time of betrothal the bridegroom or Shri Nathwani: Then the whole the bride has received presents as purpose will be defeated. If it is the consideration. Can you say that at intention that unless the marriage that stage an offence has been ccmimil- takes place, though the consideration ted? The marriage may take place a is given, no offence will be deemed to year hence, and under clause 7 a have been committed, certainly the complaint has to be lodged within a purpose would be defeated, because year. If anybody were to ask my the marriage may take place after a advice as a practising lawyer, then I year, you can defer or postpone it and would say.. . circumvent the provisions of the Bill. 298(Ai) L.S.D.—5. 3 977 D ow ry DECEM BER 8, 1859 Prohibition Bill 3978

Shri A. 1C. Sen: That is ignoring this House, because, alter all, we practicalities. must have a balance between the two views. The two views are: that Shri Narayanankutty Menon: A ll dowry by itself, even ornaments etc.* betrothal will be before li years. which are customarily given, should not be allowed to be given; that un­ Shri Nathwani: T h erefo re, this is less the parent is extortionate, no my second point. offence is committed. The hon. Mi­ nister proposed an amendment to re­ Shri C. K. Bhattacharya (W e s t concile both these views. He said Dinajpur): That would happen if they that presents would not constitute take the advice of lawyers. dowry, but he added a qualification that the presents should not be as a consideration for marriage. It appears Sh ri Nathw ani: I f the intention is some objection has been taken to this that even if the marriage does not take place and at the time of betro­ also. “ ->« thal some consideration is given, it should be punished, then it is better If, as the Law Minister said when to make the intention clear. he was referring the Bill to the Joint Committee, which he has repeated You must bear in mind one thing. again, that stridhan is allowed, let This is a penal statute. Though we us consider how it is given. It is only have now softened the rigour of the given at the time of marriage. It is punishment, still it would involve generally given either by the father serious consequences, and a penai of the bridegroom or in some places statute is always construed very by the parents of the girl. It is not strictly in favour of the accused per­ given so that the marriage may take sons, and if you leave a lacuna, the place, as a consideration. What is- whole purpose would be defeated. I consideration after all?— something have very little doubt about that. that one party gives to the other be­ cause of which the marriage takes Now I come to a third point, a minor place. This is not consideration for change, and I have moved it to satis­ the marriage. The father of the bride­ fy my lawyer’s conscience, not that groom always gives some ornaments of a legislator. If you see clause (b) to the bride and that is stridhan in the proposed amendment 82, it for her whole life. The same is the says “by the parents of either party case with the ornaments given by the to a marriage or by any othej- per­ parents. According to the Law Minis­ son”. It is a verbal change that I ter that is excluded. In the two am suggesting. “By any other person” Bills proposed in Bihar and Andhra is wide enough to include the parents also it is excluded. It is common of either party, and I am pleading for ground, everybody agrees, and one the deletion of the words in the begin­ lady Member also said that stridhan ning “by the parents of either party ought to be excluded. How can that to a marriage or”. That would lead be effectuated if the original defini­ to elegance. I believe elegance is not tion stands? E ven the sum o f Rs. 2,000 the virtue only of tailors and cobblers, given in the o rigin al B ill as the total but it is also the virtue of a legal amount was taken away by the Joint draftsman. That is all I have to say. Committee from which it is clear that even presents are not allowed, though Pandit Thakur Das Bhargava: presents which are on the occasion of Clause 2 is the soul of this Bill, and marriage, are not given as considera­ unless and until this word “dowry” tion According to this definition, is rightly defined, it would help nothing will be allowed. live expla­ neither zealous reformers nor even nation of the hon. Deputy Minister those who are called reactionaries in that presents are allowed, unless 3979 Dowry AGRAHAYANA 17, 1881 (SAKA) Prohibition Bill 3980

given as consideration for the mar­ husband pays something to his wife riage, was a good one, but it appears or th$ wife pays something to her that some of my friends are very per­ husband. sistent that whatever the Joint Com­ Now, what has buen done in this mittee has done is sacrosanct. Bill? far as the Muslims marriages are concerned, it is specifically pro­ After all, the motion is that the re­ vided in this B ill: port of the Joint Committee be taken into consideration, which means that .. but docs not include dower ■what will be binding is what this or ifialvr in the case of persons to House decides, not what the Joint who^i the Muslim Personal Law Committee did. If the Joint Com­ (S h a ria t) a p p lies” . mittee did one thing, and the hon. Law Minister now proposes an What is sacrosanct about it? So far amendment, what is wrong0 Why a« our Constitution goes, it enjoins on should Shri Menon take exception to us to have a uniform civil codc for it and insist, that no person can say the whole of India. But so far as a word against what the Joint Com­ the Muslim marriages are concerned, mittee has done"? What are we here they are excluded from the scope, of fo rT We are here only to see that this B(ii. I do not object to that. T whatever the Joint Committee has say that as between a husband and done is according to the pub­ a wife, if there is a condition to give lic opinion in this country muhr Cy dower, it should be allowed. and according to what all the T am not opposed to it not because Members accept. Therefore, on a it is t^eir personal law, but because m atter like this there should not be it is a very natural thing. After all, such insistence, and nobody should what is m ahr or dower? It is a gift have a right to criticise the Law Mi­ given the time of marriage, or de­ nister if he proposes an amendment to ferred dower; and deferred dower is the clause. what the husband is liable to give when Vie gives divorce to the woman. That is all. It means that gifts by In the proposed amendment, it is the husband to the wife are allowed stated: under the Muslim law> and they are called mahr o r dower. What is wrong "In this Act, "dowry” means with it if it is applied to Hindus also? any property or valuable securi­ The hc,n. Minister was pleased to say ty given or agreed to be given — that tl\ere are poor Muslim girls, and in their case, this should be allowed. (a) by one party to a m arriage May I submit that there are poor to the other party to the Kiris not only among Muslims but m arriage;” even among the Hindus, and, there­ fore, the question of poverty should In regard to this, I had something to not be brought in here? If the hus­ say at the time when the Bill was band Vants to pay anything to his referred to the Joint Committee. I wife, ejther in the shape of ornaments submitted that so tar as the condi­ or anything else, what is wrong with tions of marriage between a husband it? Cai} it be called dowry? Should a and wife are concerned, they are wife fc,e forced not to marry or im­ sacrosanct and must be reserved. A prison^ because that is given? If the husband and a wife have a right to wife agrees and accepts some orna­ contract between themselves what­ ments, there is nothing wrong about ever they like. Though among the 11 • I &m rather surprised. I quoted Hindus, m arriage is regarded as a a Sanscrit sloka on the last occasion sacrament, yet, at the same time, to sho’w that among Hindus also, a ihere are always conditions to a mar­ husband is always allowed to give riage. There is nothing wrong if a whatever he likes to his wife. This 3 C gl Dowry DECEM BER 8, 1089 Prohibition Bill 3982

[P an dit Thakur Das BhargavaJ Mr. Speaker; I think there is full la not called dowry. Dowry is not a agreement regarding this. Nobody thing which a husband gives to his wants to penalise those customary or w ife or a wife gives to her husband. normal gifts, but in the guise of pre­ Dowry is what the father of the bride­ senting normal gifts, an extortion groom gets in order to induce his son ought not to be made; at the same to marry. And it is there that we time, in the guise of making an ex­ want to eliminate the element of tortion, normal gifts ought not to be extortion. We do not want to elimi­ denied. The difficulty is how to find nate all sorts of gifts. We only want the mean. to see that at the time of marriage, persons do not come with bloated Pandit Thakur Das Bhargava: faces, almost in sorrow, without any Therefore, the hon. Minister’s amend­ happiness and without any sort of ment is a sort of balance between the gifts. But, according to the definition two. I had al .0 given notice of a in the Bill, even the food given at the similar amendment. time of marriage will become dowry; after all, it is a gift and it is given Shri Jadhav (Malegaon): A sche­ in consideration of marriage. dule should be prepared of the cus­ tomary gifts. S h ri A . K . Sen: Has the hon. Mem­ ber any daughter to marry? Mr. Speaker: The courts will take Pandit Thakur Das Bhargava: L e t into account the customs in each not the hon Minister worry for me. place and decide what is reasonable So far as I am concerned, I have al­ custom. ready given my daughter in marriage. Pandit Thakur Das Bhargava: If Shrl A. K. Sen: I ha If-suspected that. you will be pleased to see my amend­ ment, namely amendment No. 15, you will find that I had also said a simi­ Pandit Thakur Das Bhargava: I lar thing. If any person wants to may say that I gave a dowry, and the dowry was also received on behalf of give dowry, and wants only to take the pretence of giving some orna­ the. father of the bridegroom. (An Hon. Member: Shame!) T h a t wap ments for Rs. 10,000, then also, perhaps before this Parliament came according to my hon. friend Shri into existence, lor.g before many of N arayan an ku tty M enon, it is a sort o f my hon. friends here were even born. subterfuge to pass on dowry in the form of presents, and that should be I celebrated this marriage in 1927 and excluded. In fact, that is excluded by this happens in every marriage in North India. the amendment of the hon. Law Mi­ nister as well as my amendment Now, the point is this. Suppose a where also I have stated a similar person wants to give something by thing. If it is given by way of con­ way of entertainment to a party to a sideration, as a consideration, then, marriage, then, what will happen? So it should be penalised. far as the wording in the Bill goes, even that entertainment will become Mr. Speaker: I f the fa th e r is w orth a dowry; even the food given in a a crore of rupees, why should he not party on the occasion of the marriage g iv e Rs. 10,000 to his daughter? But will become a dowry. I am opposed it becomes a dangerous thing if the to it Similarly, in certain parts of father is a poor man and he is forced the country, the giving of the m a n ga l- to g iv e Rs. 10,000 to his daughter. sutra is a custom, while in other Now, whatever legislation may be parts, the manjjalsutrn is not given passed, this legislation will be vetted but other things are given ...... by the Supreme Court, for it will go 39*3 Dow ry A G R A H A Y A N A 17, 1861 (SAKA) Prohibition Bill 3984

up t o the Supreme Court. Every­ performed, whether the presents w ere where, there is the question of dis­ given or not, then the presents are cretion to the judge as to what is only an incidental thing, and they do extortion and what is not extortion. not amount to consideration. This is the real difference. Pandit Thaknr Das Bhargava: L e t us not forget what we want to pena­ So far as equality of rights is con­ lise. If something is extorted from a cerned, you should give the game person by the father of the bride­ right to the Muslim girl as to the groom or by the bridegroom or by Hindu girl. A Hindu girl is also en­ any other person on his behalf, then titled to receive from her husband w c must penalise that thing, not just as a Muslim girl is entitled to everything that is given. Therefore, receive from her husband. So far as I have submitted that dowry by it­ the husband and wife are concerned, self is not bad. Only that part of 1 do not think it is right to penalise the dowry is bad which is extorted any sort of gifts whatsoever. There­ from a person by way of dowry. fore, I have moved an amendment to Therefore. I have submitted that the the effect: reasonable financial competence of the person concerned should be taken “but does not include any settle­ into consideration. But if you are ment or gift of any property from going to say that he cannot give at one spouse to the other”. all, then, I say that that is going too far. That is, I have stated that that should not be treated as dowry. This is Shri Subiman Ghose: What is the absolutely fundamental, to my mind, demarcating line? because, otherwise, it would mean putting some restriction on the wife Pandit Thakur Das Bhargava: The as well as the husband. And to whom difficu lty is this, and in fact, I made will it go? According to clause 6, this submission some time back also. whatever is given by way of dowry, The court shall have to go into the even if it is given by the wife to the question as to the reasonable finan- husband, must go back to the wife; cal competence of the person con­ according to this clause, everything cerned. The court will have to go will go to the wife; in other words, into the question whether the present oven if the wife gives something to is not due as such, w hether it is her husband, it shall revert back to given according to custom or not. the wife. I ask: What is wrong with it? What is wrong if a wife gives Anyhow, the real difficulty arises something to her husband? You are jf we cannot define consideration. only penalising the woman under thi* What is consideration? I beg to .nsk clause. Do you want that if the hus­ the hon. Law Minister. In fact, I band gives to his wife something, and had asked this question at the time she accepts it, then the wife must be when the Bill was being referred to sent to jail, and the husband also the Joint Committee also. What is must be sent to jail? I cannot under­ consideration? And what amount stand w hat logic is there behind this. should be considered as consideration? What are the zealous reformers think­ For, at the time of marriage, what­ ing about this? Suppose, even hundred ever is given is given in considera­ rupees are given, or even somn ban tion of the marriage, not as considera­ gles or a neclace elc. are given; ana tion. It is given in consideration, but we know that our ladies love these not as consideration. It means that ornaments very much; suppose a if the marriage would not have been necklace is given by the husband to performed but for the present, then his wife before marriage, or after it is consideration, if, on the other marriage, or during marriage, or at hand, the marriage would have been any time, then what is to happen? D o 3985 Dowry DECEMBER 8, 1959 Prohibition Bill 3986

[Pandit Thakur Das Bhargava] you want that both of them must be ence or extortion or it is the other sent to jail? way.

An Hon. Member: W hy not? Mr. Speaker; V/hat are the amend- ments of the hon. Member? Pandit Thakur Das Bhargava; Suppose, before the marriage, a hus- Pandit Thakur Das Bhargava: band gives something to his wife, he My amendment Nos. are 15, 16, 17 would not be giving it to her as a 18, 19, 67 and 68. ’ wife; but, if at the time of marriage, he is giving it. then it is in consi- Mr. Speaker: Shri Narayanankutty deration of marriage, not as considera- Menon has already moved amend- tion for marriage, but in consideration ment No. 7. Shri Nathwani has of marriage. moved amendments Nos. 39 and 48.

Shri Subiman Ghose: There is want We have already exceeded the time of mens rea there. by one hour now. I suggest that an hon. Member may move for extension Pandit Thakur Das Bhargava: of the time by one hour, to which we My hon. friend speaks of mens rea. agreed, and then conclude the dis- When .T submitted that reasonable cussion. I am not going to allow financial competence should be the more than five minutes to each hon. guiding thing, and that should be Member who moved his amendments. allowed, there was no mens rea then. M ens rea comes in only when a person Shri P. R. Patel: have two wants to extort. But my hon. friend amendments. in his zeal wants to take av.^ay all Shri Narayanankutty Menon: Being the principles of legal jurisprudence an experienced lawyer. Pandit and blow them off. My humble Thakur Das Bhargava may be kind submission is that in all fairness, if enough to tell the House what, in his you want to penalise what the whole opinion, will be the ingredients of the House wants you to penalise, then the offence of giving dowry. Then it only way would be to put in this ex- will be easy to proceed. pression ‘beyond the reasonable finan- cial competence of the person giving’; Mr. Speaker: The difficulty is that that would be all right. Then only he has already spoken so long, and I you are penalising extortion. Other- may not be able to give opportunities wise, you are penalising very ordi- to other hon. Members. nary things which happen everyday in life. The husband gets something Pandit Thakur Das Bhargava; or the wife gets something. I w ill finish in a minute. - Really, the offence, according to me, Therefore, I submit that the words consists in the fact that a certain ‘ lower or mahr’ in clause 2 should be person obliges another person, the taken away and the general thing father of the bride, to part with money should be restored that any gift by which he would not be willing to oart the husband is not dowry. That will with with love and affection. He also cover dower or mahr— every- wants to extort something. That is thing—and it will be applicable to the the gravamen of the offence. whole of India and to all—Hindus, Muslims and everybody else. To sum up, I think the entire House is agreed on tw o,principles. One is With rekard to amendment No. 19, I that the payment of dowry, if it has submit that even the presents etc. got an jriement of coercion or extor- mentioned there are not given as con- tion, ihust be penalised. We are all sideration. So those words in the agreed on that. I am as anxious as clause are superflous. Either you say my hon. friend, Shri Narayanankutty that it is on account of undue influ- Menon, about that. At the same time, 3987 Dowry AGRAHAYANA 17, 1881 (SAK A) Prohibition Bill 3988’

I am also of the view that so far as ed. Both the hon. Ministers have put customary presents or presents out of this question before the House in a love and affection are concerned, they very real way. I admire them for ought to be excluded. They should taking the right view, but I am sorry never form the basis for action. .1 that their views are not being accept- am also clear in my mind about a;i^ ed. On the contrary, they are bemg other thing. I think Shri Narayanan- forced to accept this or that. kutty Menon also agrees to a certain extent regarding that. The differen- Shri Raghubir Sahai: T beg to ce between him and me is this. He move: agrees only in respect of auspicious presen'.s which are required at the “That the time allotted by the time of marriage. Further, he says House on the 26th November, that the present may be given as 1959 (vide the Forty-fifth Report consideration but clothed in a diffe- of the Business Advisory Com- rent manner. I also say the same mittee) for consideration and pas- thing. If they are clothed in that sing of the Dowry Prohibition way, then treat them as dowry. 1 do Bill, 1959, as reported by the not mind. So we are all agreed, but Joint Committee. be extended yet we are fighting. I do not know from 5 hours to 7 hours”. why. It may be that our minds are not clear. In all the amendments I Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The question have placed before the House, this is is: the background in my mind. So far as the question of presents by the “That the time allotted by the husband or wife are concerned, they House on the 26th November, ought to be excluded. They should be 1959 (vide the Forty-first Report allowed to give whatever they like. of the Business Advisory Commit- As I submitted, a woman is entitled tee) for consideration and pas- to marry any person she likes, w.hat- ever be the reason. sing of the Dowry Prohibition Bill, 1959, as reported by the Joint Committee, be extended 13 24 hrs. from 5 hours to 7 hours”.

[M r . D e p u t y -S p e a k e r in the Chair.] The motion was adopted. So by having a provision like this, you are really putting an obstacle in Shri Raghubir Sahai rose— her choice. Suppose a woman wants to marry a rich man. What is wrong Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Does he want about it? Suppose a rich man wants to be the first speaker after the ex- to marry a girl who is not rich but tension motion he himself moved otherwise, in his opinion, is the most has been accepted? excellent girl in the world. V/hat obstacle should be there? Do not put Shri Raghubir Sabai: I have not any obstacles in their way. To put spoken so far. any obstacle is entirely wrong in principle. Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The Speaker has put a limit for every speech. It Therefore, the gifts between hus- is five miuntes. band and wife should be excluded. If it is excluded in the case of Mus- Shri Raghubir Sahai: That will bs lims, it should be so in the case of too small. Hindus also. So these amendments should not be brushed aside in the Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Then he manner that my hon. friend, Shri ought to have moved for a greater Narayanankutty Menon, has suggest- extension of time. Dowry DECEMBER 8, 1MB Prohibition Bitt 3990

Shri BagbBMr Salaai: I am in your hands. which do not exceed two hundred rupees". Shri Sureadraasth Dwivedy (K en - drapara): When is the discussion con­ Now, leave aside the extent to cluding? w hich she has agreed to exclude. In the light of the fact that voluntary Mr. D eputy-Speaker: We will con­ gifts have been excluded in the defi­ clude it at 2 25 p.m . nition of ‘dowry’ in her Bill in 1952, her present attitude is entirely inex­ Shri Raghubir Sahai: M y ow n feel­ plicable. By taking away that in g is that after the emergence of clause, the whole Bill has? been this Bill from the Joint Committee, made unpractical. A s M em bers the whole thing has become worse. It of Parliament, we should not haa cheated confusion worse con­ take such a view. We should take founded. In the original Bill, it w as a practical view of the matter. I feel provided that presents, cash etc. given that human considerations end natural at the time of the marriage might considerations will prevail. From the be limited to the extent of Rs. 2,000. sense of the House, it appears that 1 think that was a very practical some presents are necessary to be view. But in the Report of the Joint given at the time of marriage and Committee, they have done away with they should not be excluded. They that clause. The reason assigned by should be voluntary. I do not agree the Members of the Committee is that with the amendment sponsored by if this provision is retained, it would th e M inister; I do n'ot think it w ill virtually amount to legalising dowry serve the purpose because it is again which is a very pernicious system. very vague and leaves everything to Now by taking away that clause, I speculation. It is very difficult to think the whole thing has become prove usage and custom. Every thing vague and this evil of dowry will go that will be given by way of dowry underground—which no honest per­ will be tried to be interpreted as son would like. ‘custom and usage’. In all fairness, taking nil the arguments for and against the Bill in this House, it would I was amazed to see the vehement be proper for us if we limit the pre­ arguments advanced by Shrimati sents and other things at the time of Renu Chakravartty who happened to marriage to a certain valuation and the be Chairman of the Joint Committee. valuation that was put originally in She sponsored a Bill in this House, the Bill was perhaps very fair. The The Restraint of Dowry Bill, 1952. I amendment that has been sponsored would read out from the definition by the hon. Minister may be accepted of ‘Dowry’ she was pleased to give with this proviso that after the last there: word in Explanation I of his amend­ ment, these words may be added, “ ‘dowry’ means any property namely “and not exceeding in value transferred or agreed to be trans­ Rs. 2,000’’ . It w ou ld read: ferred as a part of the contract of any betrothal or marriage by " ...... unless they are made as one party to the betrothal or marr­ consideration for the betrothal or iage or the father, mother, or marriage of the said parties and guardian of that party to the other exceed in v a lu e Rs. 2.000.” party to the marriage or to the father, mother or guardian of the If this amendment is accepted, per­ other party, but does not include haps the purpose in view will be ser­ voluntary marriage gifts such as ved. Aft I said, marriage is a sacre- ornaments to a bride and dresses mental thing. All the pomp and to a bridegroom, the value of show and the gaudiness associated 3991 Dow ry A G R A H A Y A N A 17, 1881 (SAKA) Prohibition BUI 399*

with marriage should be put down Shrimati Parvathi Krisbnan: I did because in dowry all these things can not interrupt him when he spoke and be included. H we limit the conside­ I would be very grateful if he doe*, ration to the extent of Rs. 2.000 I think not, when I speak. He had 25 minute*, the purpose will be served. compared to my five minutes.

Shrimati Parvathi Krishnan (C o im ­ Mr. Deputy-Speaker; I shall also- batore) ; Sir, I rise to oppose the be grateful. amendment that has been proposed by the hon. Deputy Minister. Yesterday, Shrimati Parvathi Krishnan:. A par when he moved this amendment, he from that, the point that he was trying tried to say that he was accepting my to make out is this. Why should amendment. Side by side he said he husbands be prevented from giving was accepting the explanation from their wives presents at the time of the amendment of Pandit Bhargava. marriage? Why should wives be pre­ This itself shows that this amendment vented from giving husbands present is basically defective because it was at the time of marriage? He tried to quite obvious that we h'old diametri­ make out or build up a theory out of cally opposite points of view on this this. I would like to esk him this question of dowry. It is absolutely question. In our country, where impossible to combine these two points usually marriages are arranged by the of view. In the name of custom and parents which husband or bridegroom usage— thest- w ords arc included in is in a position to make any substan­ this explanation— anything and every­ tial present to his wife or which girl thing can come in. For instance, in is in a position to g iv e volu n tary gifts th e South, th ere is a condition o f m ar­ to her husband? Marriages in our ria ge; it is a part xA dowry. Very country are arranged except in the often the parents of the bridegroom case of those who are married late say that the bride should be given and the girl has been in some job such and such ornaments. These are and earned some money. It is a ridi­ not ornaments that are necessarily culous type of argument to bring here. given by the parents of the bride to Certainly after they have become her out of affection for her but are husband and wife, when they are- made a condition by the bridegroom’s having joint income, they can exchange family because otherwise their social presents as much as they like. But status gets affected. They say that this is a loop hole. The father gives the bride must have a pair of dia­ it to the bridegroom and says: you mond ear-rings and so many give this to the bride and then it sovereigns worth gold jewellery and becomes a presentation of the hus­ so on. band to the wife. Similarly, the bridegroom’s people can have an inner Pandit Thakur Das Bhargava: W ho agreement or understand with the gives them— the father of the brideg­ bride's people and ask them to say room ’or somebody else? that the presentation is made to the bridegroom by the bride. This is the Shrimati Parvathi Krishnan; The way in which pe’ople will use this bride is supposed to wear all these particular explanation to evade this jewellery and they are to be given very important measure in every pos­ sible way. It is very easy to use this by her father. But it becomes consi­ sort of argument trying to arouse deration of marriage...... ( In te rru p ­ sentiments of the people. We know tio n s ). that parents do want to see that at An Hon. Member: Salankar Kanyu the time of the marriage there is a spirit 'of joyousness, that people should feel happy and that presents are made Pandit Thakur Das Bhargava: In and so on. But this w ill be used in an U p p er In dia it is not so. invidious way to avoid the very spirit Prohibition Bill .3993 Dowry DECEMBER 8, 1959 3994

[Shrimati Rarvathi Krishnan] the contract or marriage and if it is of this measure in order to upset the out of love and affection. It does not whole thing. Therefore, this explana- bar anybody from giving anything. tion completely nullifies the amend- On the other hand, if we put in this ment that I have given. Therefore, “custom and usage”, it is going to I am absolutely unable to accept this be utilised in a bad way. amendment which he has moved, because I feel that it will make this Regarding the regulation of the Bill a dead letter even before it be- amount, it was said; if I were a rich- comes an Act. man, why should I not pay much more? We are trying to bring about Shrimati Benu Chakravartty: Sir I a minimum of equality, at least fi’om just want to oppose this Explanation. outside, in these things. For instance, I have gone into it in great detail. take the question of entertainment. I would submit to Pandit Bhargava that formerly when we were young, Mr. Deputy-Speaker: One opposi- we have seen weddings—in Delhi we tion was not enough? see weddings even now—2,000 people or more were fed for days on end—- not for one day. It is not only the Shrimati Renu Chakravartty: I just giving of “Charachoor” or some little want to answer one point. This point nuts which we give in these days. was also before many women’s orga- We used to give feasts. Now things nisations and you do not know for are not so because of the circums- how many hours and hours the women tances. We went to the hon. Spea- have discussed it. I would also like ker’s son’s wedding. We were very to mention that the Pxinjab Women happy about it. I am sure he would were one of the greatest supporters have liked to have fed us. He fed for completely banning dowry in any us only on nuts and coffee. These are form. This is a very difficult thing things, our social habits, that we are .for the women, especially for the trying to change because of certain lower income group. There is this extraneous circumstances. We use question of custom and usage in the the word salankara for the bride of whole of India. We had meetings of the Wedding Ceremony. Generally, the various women’s organisations in in a poor family the bride is brought various parts of India and if we want in a simple coloured saree and a few to enumerate the different types of jewels. I have also seen that in rich customs and usages which were put houses jewels worth even lakhs of forward in these meetings,—you would rupees are given. Therefore, these be surprised to learn—I do n’ot know Words “custom and usage” combined how many schedules you should ap- with the word salankara will open the pend to explain what you mean by floodgates. That is why I would urge custom and usage. We have said that that we should try to keep it in the normal, small gifts given out of love original form as emerging from Select and affection should not come within Committee. It may be a bit general, the purview of this Bill. Certainly but as the speaker remarked a little pe’ople should be allowed to do that. earlier, it will be a matter of inter- On the other hand, by introducing the pretation, it will be a matter which words “custom and usage” you will will be taken up right up to the High allow all sorts of blackmarket dowry Courts. I am sure anything like to go through. This is something mangal sutra—we have got loha—^'or which we are very much afraid of. some clothes to be given to the bride After considering a great deal, we etc. catf be permitted. I would, thought that this definiti’on which we therefore, suggest that Shri Jadhav’s have put in here covers all such bona- amendment may be accepted, and I fide gifts. All kinds of gifts can be would beg of the Deputy Minister not given if it is is not in consideration of to open the floodgates by insisting 3995 Dowry AGRAHAYANA 17, 1881 (SAKA) Prohibition Bill 3996 iupon the explanation which he has mati Parvathi Krishnan. I do not see given. how she can complain if I have adopt- ed her own suggestion. Shri Hajarnavis: Sir, I would like explain what I understand is the pre- Shrimati Parvathi Krishnan: I am cise scope of the amendmen’t. As the objecting to the explanation. Law Minister has already given an assurance to the House, we are not Shri Hajarnavis: I fail to under- insisting on this amendment being stand how Shri Narayanankutty accepted, but let it be considered after Menon who is also a party to the we grasp what exactly it means. amendment could have permitted himself to attribute all sorts of Firstly, there is a definitioin of motives to us. “dowry”. In the definition of ■“dowry” it has always been an ac- Shrimati Parvathi Krishnan: If is cepted position that wherever money only . . . kas been extorted out of one party of the marriage by the other party it Mr. Deputy-Speaker: She has al- becomes a dowry. We also went on ready objected to the explanation; to say that voluntary gifts to any does she want to add another expla- extent, whatever may be the nation? reason—it may be affection, it may be because the parents feel that they Shrimati Parvathi Krishnan: I was are bound by custom or it may be- not referring to the first part. cause usage dictates it—they are not Shri Hajarnavis: Shri Menon is a ■dowry. That position has not chang- party to the amendment that has ed at any time during the consider- been accepted by us except for the ation of the Bill; it has also not change of the words “bride and bride- changed by this amendment. groom”. If the words “bride” and “bridegroom” are used the question Shri Subiman Ghose: What is the would be whether it would be appro- line of demarcation between extor- priate, where betrothal is concerned tion and voluntary gift? or the parties are to be proceeded Shri Mulchand Dube (Farrukha- against after the marriage has been bad): Will you accept the definition performed, because the words “bride” in the Indian Panel Code or some or “bridegroom” would not apply if other explanation as far as “extor- it is only a betrothal or to describe tion” is concerned? the parties after marriage. There- fore, our draftsman have used the Shri Hajarnavis: I use it In the words “either party”. Except for that sense that but for a promise to pay sm.all verbal change we have accept- that sum the marriage would not ed the amendment which was moved come of. by Shrimati Parvathi Krishnan. There- fore, for them to say that we have some ulterior motivess in accepting Shri Mulchand Dube: It is not ex- this amendment, I do not think is tortion then. quite fair.

Shri Hajarnavis: I do not say it is I now come to the explanation. The extortion within the meaning of the explanation appears to have caused definition given in the Indian Penal considerable worry to some hon. Code. I am only trying to explain Members. What does the explanation the amendment. Except for the use say? It says: of the words “either party” instead of the words “bride and bridegroom”, “For the removal of doubts, it is this amendment is exactly the same hereby declared that any presents as the amendment proposed by Shri- made at the time of a marriage to 3997 D ow ry DECEM BER 8, 1959 Prohibition BUI 3998

[S b r i Hajamavis] •ither party to the marriage ...... Shri P. R. Patel: Mr. Deputy- ...... unless they are made a* Speaker, Sir, so far as the explana­ consideration for the betrothal tion is concerned, whether it is kept or marriage of the said parties.” Or removed does not make any diffe­ rence so far as the offence is con­ Therefore, any present which is cerned, because the criterion of the made as a consideration is not gov­ whole definition is consideration and erned by the explanation at all. the definition of consideration can be found in the Contract Act. The defi­ nition given there is, unless any Shrimati Sena Chakravartty:. But amount is paid or promised to be paid it is governed by custom and usage. as consideration of betrothal or mar­ riage, any thing else is not covered 8tari Hajarnavte; No, it may be and it is no offence. Now, whatever that the custom dictates it or the be the presents, starting from Re. 1 to usage requires it to be done but if it Rs. 1 lakh, If it is not as considera­ it is done as consideration then the tion of the betrothal or marriage it is explanation does not apply. If it is no offence. Whatever ornaments given as consideration then it is ille­ may be given, whatever jewellery gal and it comes within the meaning may be given, it is no offence, but of this clause. it is very hard to prove whether it is given as consideration or whether it Shrimati Renu Chakravartty: Sup­ is voluntary, because in a criminal pose I ask you for dowry and argue case the burden of proof lies with the it is according to custom and it is prosecution and the prosecution has not in consideration of marriage? to prove the case beyond reasonable doubt. If the man is prosecuted he would say that he has not given as Shrl Hajarnavls: Everybody knows consideration of the marriage or betrothal. How can the prosecution that it is consideration. be in a position to prove that this amount was given as consideration of Pandit Thakur Das Bhargava; Take the betrothal or marriage? It is abso­ away the word “custom.” That does lutely impossible to prove. In these not affect it the amendment at all. matters regarding dowry it is very Let them be satisfied. hard to prove.

Shri Hajarnavis: The moment the Therefore, my submission is that the element of consideration comes in definition is v e ry w id e and it is v e r y that payment or that transfer of pro­ hard to prove the offence. I have, perty it becomes illegal whether cus­ therefore, moved an amendment, tom or usage require it or not. There­ amendment No. 3, regarding presum­ fore I do not think we have changed ption. My amendment is that if the the position at all. As I have said, value of the property or valuable we have all through stated—both security exceeds Rs. 2000, the court Shrimati Renu Chakravartty and may presume that it was given or Shrimati Parvathi Krishnan also agreed to be given as ‘dowry’. So, agreed— that voluntary gifts are not I do not say that up to Rs. 2,000, there to be prohibited at all. If that is so, should be an exemption. Let me not the explanation does not Change that be misunderstood. In the proceed­ position at all. You may accept the ings in court, you can prove it and words, you may not accept the words; the burden of proof lies on the prose­ the choice, as the Law Minister said, cution. Even if there be a consider­ is with the House. But let us not mis­ ation of one rupee, that would be an understand what the explanation offence. Suppose the prosecution is means. in a position to prove that propertie* ) 999 Dow ry AGRAHAYANA 17, 1881 (SAK A) Prohibition Bill 40OO

valued at more than Rs. 2,000 have to the m arriage” as w ell as “ consi­ been given, then, if this explanation deration". Is not there, the prosecution will Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Order, order. fail. So, I want that if the property When every hon. Member who wishes exceeds Rs. 2,000, the court may make to speak is being allowed the oppor­ the presumption, or may presume, tunity, why should there be speeches that this property was given as dowry. by Members who are sitting?

Dr. M. S. Aney: It m ay b e that a Pandit Thakur Das Bhargava rose— few of the large number of Member* Shri P. R. Patel: Please wait. Do present in this House wish that mar­ rot be • worried. So, when the pre­ riage should be taken as a contrac­ sumption is there, it will be for the tual agreement. But we have not accused to disprove that presumption up to this time by a statute ever So, the discretion is given to the declared that. So far as Hindus are court. Taking a!) the circumstances concerned, they have regarded mar­ into consideration, the court will de­ riage as a sacrament; the general view cide. If the amount exceeds Rs. taken by all the Hindus, about mar­ 2,000, the court m ay m ake the p re ­ riage, is that marriage is a sacra­ sumption that the amount given as ment. Probably the Christians also dowry was to that extent. If you want consider it as a sacrament. But that to put a check to the evil of dowry, view does not find any reflection here some presumption shall have to be in thus B ill. draw n. Having taken the view that mar­ For instance, in Bombay, we have riage is an agreement, we find that got prohibition laws. There also, un­ they have used the word “parties" der the evidence law, the prosecution tc the marriage. The parties are must prove the case beyond reason­ bride and bridegroom. I would like able doubt. So far as illicit liquor to ask the hon. Minister what is the is concerned, if a man is found drunk, ir.eaning of the word “parties” to the the presumption under the prohibi­ marriage. If that word means the tion law is that the man has taken bride and bridegroom, why do you illicit liquor and then the man has not use the words “bride” and “bride­ to prove that it was not illicit liquor. groom”, instead of the words “parties So, the presumption could be had and to the marriage”? You may use just you will find such presumption in the plain words “bride” and “bride­ other laws also. So, 1 would submit groom”. If the bride and the bride­ that unless this explanation is adopt­ groom are the parties to the mar­ ed, this Bill, if passed, shall have riage, then you could use the words no effect absolutely on the system of “bride” and “bridegroom”. If it is dowry. If you want to stop dowry, nothing more than that, then in my let my amendment bo accepted. opinion, the words “bride” and “bride- gruom” should be used. Dr. M. S. A n ey (Nagtpur): M r. Now, I come to the word “consi­ Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I just want to deration”. In the Contract Act, this make a few observations on the lang­ word has been defined. If that defi­ uage of this Bill and the amendments. nition is borne in mind, it means this: When I read this Bill which is going in order to bring about a particular tc be enacted now, and the various result, which is the object of the amendments, I find that those who agreement, a certain kind of inte­ have drafted the amendments and the rcut is created by one in favou r of B'!1 have proceeded under the assum­ another, and that interest is called ption that marriage is an agreement. “consideration”. Therefore, when On that point they have got no we take this definition into account, doubt in mind. Taking that stand, we will find that what we define as they have used the words “parties dowry must be a matter which should 4o o r bm ory DECEM BER 8, 1959 Prohibition Bill 4002

[D r. M . S. A n e y ] be agreed to between the two parties, those things which have not beea and what is agreed in that way can agreed to, then we are making the only come under the definition of law more difficult to understand and dowry. Matters which have been so therefore, more difficult to carry out agreed to—making ceremonial pay­ also. ment, etc., is immaterial—between the two parties form the consideration With these observations, I close. lor the thing to be done. So, if Shri C. K. Bhattacharya: M r. D e- dowry represents that conception of consideration, it means that thing has puty-Speaker, Sir, while discussing this clause and the amendment’s, what become the object of punishment, according to this law—whether it is strikes me is this. The great defect in this Bill is that it does not penalise in kind or it is cash or whatever it the payment of dowry at the propo­ is, and that m ust be a th in g w hich is sal stage or at the demand stage. agreed between the two parties before Penalisation should have been made the marriage takes place. When at that stage. After the demand has exactly that consideration is actually been made and has been complied passed from one party to another is with, we can take it for granted that immaterial. The moment it passes, none of the relations of the girl is it becomes a dowry. If it is not going to court to complain that dowry passed, nothing can be done. has been taken and by that all the Presents and other ceremonial gifts future of the girl and her family will are customary things that are made be doomed. That is the impracticabi­ generally at the time of marriage or lity or unreality about this Bill. during the marriage, and they should 14 hrs. not come in here at all. If the mar­ riage is to be done, it should be done Shri P. R. Patel: Under clause 4, according to the custom. If we do demanding dowry directly or in­ not follow the custom, it is open to d irec tly is an offence. them to go to the court and have a registered marriage. If they follow Shri C. K. Bhattacharya: I thank the proper custom or not is a matter the hon Members who have enlight­ between the two parties concerned. ened me. There is no dispute about Whatever comes in as something the fact that the system of dowry extra, in addition to what has been should go. On that point, everybody agreed between the parties, is some­ agrees. But the point is. we should thing different. These two things not carry our enthusiasm to a point have to be separated. I take it that where the provision that is made for the explanation which has been put the removal of the system becomes here— the amendment proposed by the impracticable and unreal That is my hon. Minister—-refers to these things. apprehension after I have listened to All the other presents, etc., are out­ some of the speeches. side the purview of this measure. If this explanation refers only to those Regarding this particular clause, it matters which have been agreed to took my breath away when I read between them there is nothing wrong the Deputy Law Minister’s speech, in accepting it. If it does not, then where he said that even the payment we shall be confounding the word of a rupee would be penalised. “dowry” used in the Bill. In defining dowry, it may be made perfectly Shrl Hajarnavis: Provided it is in clear that what has been agreed to consideration of the marriage. between the parties is the only thing that is contemplated as a dowry. Shri C. K. Bhattacharya: W h at Otherwise, the word “consideration” other consideration will be there ex­ has no meaning at all. If it includes cept celebrating the marriage? 4003 Dow ry AGRAHAYANA 17, 1881 (SAKA) Prohibition Bill 4004

Shrl Narayanankutty Menon: Cele­ enough to make that particular refer­ bration is different from considera­ ence. Some lady Members have tion. mentioned about alankara. W hen the Hindu father sits to give away his Shri C. K. Bhattacharya: N ob od y daughter, with all the things that he would pay money in a marriage for considers holy in life—fire, the holy getHng elected to the Parliament. It water, the Godhood represented by would be in consideration of the S a ligra m and other things—he will marriage. But even the payment of have to say: a rupee in consideration of the mar­ riage will be penalised. It lock my Wt 1? *rf H.fTV.Tf * Jr*Tf I * ! breath away, because knowing our W w w i customs as I do, I am sure that at 5 least one rupee wil) have to be paid “I give away my daughter to you and paid in consideration of the mar­ properly ornamented and in the name riage. Every father will have to pay it. o f G o d ” . U n ’ ess he is d elib erately This Bill relates not to marriages by lying before the things he considers registration, w h ere as Dx. A n oy said, holy, he shall have to give something boys and girls go to the Registrar and to the daughter in spite of the legisla­ get married; whether any dowry tion here. passes between them, nobody will en­ quire. This Bill relates to cases Shri Narayanankutty Menon: Is the which arc called sacramental mar­ hon. Member aware of the original riage or customary marriages. definition given for dowry in the Manu Smrxti ? Manu excluded every­ Shri Sonavane (Sholapur-Reserved thing except the presents given when ■—Sch. Castes); This Bill does not the sacramental fire is burning. But make any distinction between custo­ a f e r 2000 years, everyth in g is includ­ mary marriages and marriages by ed in that. registration. Shri C. K. Bhattacharya: 1 do not claim to be an epitome of all wisdom. Shri C. K. Bhattacharya: I do not say that the B: 11 makes any distinc­ Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The greater tion. I only want to point out that difficulty is with me when I sit in this Bill is relevant only (o those between two pundits on both sides. marriages which are sacramental and customary; m effect, that will be so. Shri C. K. Bhattacharya: W e expect Knowing our customs as I do, at least you to be a greater pundit than all ol one rupee will have to he paid and us. The custom is. when the girl is paid m considera'ion of the marriage given away in marriage to the boy, 1 know the custom undei which the the father will have to pay by custom hon. Minister himse'f was married what is called Varadakuhina in some and under which he will have to give form at least Even symbolically— his daughter in marriage tomorrow. that is why I say one rupee— some­ When he gives away h « daughter in thing will have to be paid so that the marriage tomorrow, he will have to marriage might be complete. Other­ pay at least a rupee in consideration wise, it remains incomple'e. He will of the marriage, in spite of the law have to say to the bridegroom m the that is being made. sameway that he stated when he just gave away his daughter: Mr. Deputy-Spetker: W ould the hon. Member be satisfied if an excep­ f**T**rirT!ri ^fweri i * a** tion is made in the case of one rupee? w p * * I

Shri C. K. Bhattacharya: I drew “For the completion of the attention to it only because the marriage ceremony, I am giving Deputy Law Minister was kind this Dakshina to you". 4 0 0 5 Dowry DECEM BER 8, 1969 Prohibition B in 400C [S h rl C. K. Bhattacharya] the girl. If the women’s organisations Unless that is done, our marriage is have only stated about a particular not complete. I do not know through type as provided in Die BiU, then 1 which form of marriage Members on am afraid they are not an authority on the other side were married. Sir, I this aspect. had the opportunity to hear our Speaker the other day delivering the If you have conceded voluntary Kamala lectures in the Calcutta gifts, there will not be any gift which University, expounding the social will not come under the category customs io Hindu marriages. 1 found “voluntary”. No father would like him repeating all the things I am his son-in-law to go and pay a fine. stating here today. I think the same He will not take the responsibility of custom prevailing in my part of the breaking a family to which he has country also prevails in the south and given his daughter. Therefore, the in the whole of India. If the Mem­ question o{ compulsory gift will bers deny it. I shall stand by their never arise. Even if it is compulsory, denial. But so fa r as p eo p le in m y it will always be treated as volun­ part of the country are concerned, tary. this is the custom which prevails Therefore, I cannot understand how even today. It will prevail even to­ this Bill is going to serve its purpose. morrow. Therefore, there should be In fact, it is no'hing but a dead law. some provision in the Bill to safe­ Therefore, the real approach should guard the custom and I am glad that be to have a Bill where we put a the hon. Law Minister has done it. ceiling on dowry. Now w« have ceilings on land, wealth and other Shrimati Mafeijula D evi (G o a l- things. Why not we have a para): Regarding the explanation, I ceiling on giving dowry, whether it is am inclined to agree with my friend, compulsory or voluntary? The pro­ Shrimati Renu Chakravartty, that 111 posal in m y am endm ent N o. 72 is to the guise of custom and usage, large give effect to this suggestion. I have sums of dowry may be taken away. suggested in my amendment that So, I would like to add here in the under no circumstances should the •explanation: dowry exceed:

“ Unless th ey are m ade as con­ “ (a) in the case of persons pay­ ditional proposals and demands in ing income-tax up to 2 per consideration for the betrothal or cent of their wealth; and marriage of the said parties”. (b) in other cases up to five That will give a clearer definition and hundred rupees '’ I hope it will be acceptable to the By this we would be fixing a ceiling, House. irresp ective of w h eth er it is a vo lu n ­ Shri Manahendra Shah (T e h ri tary gift or under compulsion. Some­ Garhwal): I want to speak on my thing like this would be a workable amendment No. 72. 1 feel that the thing, instead of saying that compul­ whole approach to this BiU has been sory gifts are prohibited and volun­ wrong. I would like to elucidate tary gifts can be given. what the hon. Member, Shri Nathwani I have also omitted the mlahr has said about ihis Bill not covering system in clause 2, because in clause those cases where the bridegroom or I, I have proposed that certain other the bride is not affected In our com­ communities should also be exempted munity the father of the bridegroom from the purview of this Bill. For always gets the money; the bride­ example, if you take Bhatnagars, they groom does not come into the picture. have codified their marriage laws, and If you go to some of the villages of they follow them rigidly. So, I do my Hills, you will find that the father not see why we should not give them o f the girl will always get it but not the benefit of not being covered by 2,007 D ow ry A G R A H A Y A N A 17, 1881 (SAK A) Prohibition Bill 4008

th is Bill. Why should we not encou­ pay, I think, Dowry is paid in consi­ rage the other communities to follow deration for the marriage. Betrothal suit so that they themselves make laws is only a preliminary step towards ior their own community, which marriage. I have never heard of any­ would be beneficial for their own one making any payment only in con­ community, by having a clause by sideration of betrothal, and not in which we to give exemption to cer­ consideration of the marriage. It may tain in communities? Then this social be that the payment is made at that law will become workable. There­ time or before the betrothal, but, fore, I have proposed my amendment nevertheless, the payment is in con­ No. 83, which I hope the hon. Minis­ sideration of the marriage, and not ter will accept. the betrothal alone. It may be betrothal plus marriage. But if it is plus, the Act hits him. Shri A . K. Sen: I must say that the 1 think it will become cumbersome amendment proposed by Shri Nath­ if we try to rope in all sorts of con­ w ani, that is, am endm ent No. 48, tingencies in order to see that more does seem to me to be a matter of people are punished. Our concern substance. I have gone through the should not be to see how many people definition, as drafted originally, and I are punished. First of alj, we have feel that they may be a lacuna which to see the evil and how best to re­ needs removal. Because, if we make m ove it. A s it is, th e e v il is o f such penal only that form of dowry which a nature that the people who are is first of all paid to either of the participants in the evil act in such a spouses, or to someone on behalf of way that a conviction becomes a diffi­ either of the spouses, then the second cult matter is a matter of reality. As condition is that such payment is in the Maharaja of Tehri-Garwal has consideration of marriage. So, what said, it is very difficult to imagine is penal is not m erely w hat is paid in that the giver of dowry, the father, consideration of the marriage but is let us say, of the bride will give evid­ also dependent upon the recipient. ence against either his son-in-law or That seems to me to be the plain his father to the effect that either or interpretation of the original clause, both of them have committed an and it may be possible to keep out of offence under the Act. That is a prac­ the penal provision by simply making tical difficulty which I have pointed the recipient the father or the mother out at the beginning when the Bill of the bridegroom or the other came for reference to the Select Com­ spouse, without his being a trustee on mittee. That difficulty we cannot get behalf of either of the spouse. So, if rid of by any drafting whatsoever. the recipient is father, and not on T hat is a d ifficu lty w h ich is in h eren t behalf of the son, then the mischief in the problem itself, namely, how to of the Act would not hit the trans­ bring to book the offender. This is a action. Therefore, I am prepared to problem which besets all social evils, accept, for making the Act more like child marriage. Which father or effective, amendment No. 48. That relative will go and lay a complaint seems to be in consonance with the against persons who are participants spirit of the Act, and I am free to in a child marriage, knowing full confess that it is an improvement. well that a conviction would result in a penal punishment being meled out I am afraid I cannot accept his to the offender? Whenever a social oth er am endm ent, that is, am endm ent evil comes to be penalised, this prob­ No. 39, regarding adding betrothal lem is inherent. Not only with regard and so on. We must first of all, look to this evil but all social evils we have at the problem as it is and how it seen the difficulty of securing convic­ strikes us as an evil. Dowry is never tion against the offender. But that paid as a consideration for betrothal. should not possibly affect our deter­ If it is merely berothal, nobody will mination to legislate on a matter on 298( Ai) L.S.D.— 6. 4000 Jfeurry D O C S M B B H 0, IM S .Prohibition B itt 4 0 t o

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tHlich we are more or less agreed. change. As I said, the mind of the We are all agreed that there is an Government on such a measure i* «Vfl; we are all agreed that the evil never committed. Nor is it our desire fihould be eradicated; we all are that the House should stand commit­ •greed that if it cannot be eradicated ted. Because, It is a m easure on Wholly by law, nevertheless which there is no controversy cutting, the law is necessary, if not across our minds along political line*. for anything else, at least for declar­ It is a measure on which we are all ing to the whole country the social unanimously agreed. Therefore, our consciousness of the nation, expressed mind should be open until the very by the voice of the House. That itself last to see how best we can shape for has an effect in weakening the impact the country as perfect a piece of and the incidence of this evil. legislation as possible having regard Therefore, to my mind, all the to the difficulties of the situation. arguments which have been address­ It is true that I have felt the weight ed on the ground that the machinery of the argument that if we use the for bringing the offender to book is word custom or usage, it might carry not perfect are not very relevant, with it the custom and usage of because we are all aware that such dowry. It is true that in many infirmity is inherent in the problem parts of the country, some amount of itself, and no drafting, no device dowry has almost become, if not a which we may think of here, is going custom, at leas sanctioned by usage. to improve the situation. It is only As we know, usage is a matter which the consciousness of the evil and the does not require some ancient tradi­ determination to eradicate the evil, tion behind it. It may be something armed with the powers granted which is of recent occurrence. There­ under the Act, which alone can eradi­ fore, I think it will best convey our cate the evil altogther. That is my desire if we omit the three lines: submission and nothing I have heard “which by custom or usage are made to the contrary have convinced me at the time of a marriage by any per­ otherwise. We can only think of son to either party to the marriage". Introducing such improvements as If we leave these three lines, the may be necessary in order, first of intention will be clear. What we want all, to understand for ourselves, and to penalise is the thing that is extort­ for also carrying that understanding ed, not what the father willingly to the country as a whole, what the gives. As I say, let us not think about evil is, and how this House sought to bringing the offender to book. Let us tackle it, so that there may not be prevent what the evil is. There is any ambiguity about the two things nothing evil if the father voluntarily in the minds of the people who, I am gives something to the daughter. Why sure, will hail this piece of legislation, penalise it? Who regards it as an as I said, if not for anything else, at evil? In fact, it is the most common least as an expression of the unani­ thing. It used to be there in the mous will of this House. I would very olden days. The verses from our much appreciate if such a non-contro­ Sastraa quoted by Shri C. K. Bhatta­ versial measure is passed unanimous­ charya show that it was also regard­ ly so far as the main clauses are con­ ed as a sacramental duty on the part cerned apart from the question of of the father to give the bride and drafting amendments here and there. clothe her with ornaments which he As I said, I accept the amendment of can afford. Nobody regards it as an Shri Nathwani. evil if the father or the relations With regard to the Explanation, voluntarily give such things to the introduced in the Government bride as they may think it possible amendment, I have, after hearing for them to give. In fact, that is the hon. Members, felt that the Explana­ only way by which our women used tion possibly may undergo a little to acquire stridhan. Of course, fhe- 4011 Dow ry A G R A H A Y A N A 17, 1881 ( SAKA ) Prohibition Bill

m odern Hindu Succession Act has Shri A. K. Sen: If that is proved, flven women the right to property, if these are the facts, it w ill be an even though that right to property offence. m ay be defected by a will or by testamentary disposition or non-testa- Shri Narayanankutty Menon: Apart mentary disposition. Therefore, the from ornaments, you have retained surest way in which women in olden cash. Will it not be permissible and days, or even today, acquired some within the purview of legitimate property of theirs was what was presents to give any amount, provided given to them by the parents and he is prepared to prove only usag«, their relations at the time of the not custom? marriage or before the nuptial fire or a little before that. Therefore, we do not regard it as an evil if the father Shri A. K. Sen: Therefore, I am or relations or friends give some­ leaving custom and usage. thing absolutely voluntarily, without any inducement whatsoever for the Shri Narayanankutty Menon: The marriage being brought about or word ‘cash’ is retained. You are celebrated. I agree with Pandit d eletin g custom and usage. Will it Thakur Das Bhargava that is not not be legitimate to pay any amount «n evil. Let us be quite clear about which depends on his capacity to pay? it. What is an evil when the father volu n tarily offers it as a bribe or it is Shri A. R. Sen: If I paid volun­ extorted from him. It is not merely tarily without its being a matter o t extortion. In many cases, we have extortion or a matter of offer by jnt seen that, even apart from extortion to induce the marriage, I do not see the father voluntarily offers it as what evil there is. If I pay my a price. When I read purely as a daughter volu n tarily Rs. 500 o r 1000, matter of academic interest Anthrop­ I do not see how any one can regard ology relating to the customs and it as an evil. It is the simplest thing. practices among primitive tribes. 1 found that bridegroom paid price for Shri Narayanankutty Menon: Arc the bride, as in many of our tribal you prepared to place the burden of societies in India today. In some proof on the accused in this case as advanced communities, later, it became in corruption cases? the other way about. The bride Shri A. K. Sen: That, we might pays the bridegroom a price. think of later on. W e should not tamper with the rules of evidence Shri Jadhav: Will it not be made very lightly. It may be that in the a condition precedent by the bride­ course of the future history of this groom that he will ask the father of law, it may become necessary to the bride that he should give some introduce an amendment about the sort of ornaments. It will be in dis­ law of evidence relating to the trial guise dowry. of such offences, that the onus may be shifted on to the accused to prove that what was given was actually voluntary. Shri A. K. Sen: I have not appre­ Let us not think of the procedure. ciated the point; I am sorry. Let us not cloud our minds by the fact that it is difficult to prove the Shri Jadhav: Dowry may be in dis­ offence in trying to make an offence guise. The bridegroom may make of something which is not an offence, it a condition precedent for the mar­ which is not an evil. I appreciate riage that the father of the bride what the hon, Member says. The two should give such and such ornaments things should be kept separate. In and should give them as any other future, it may be found necessary to p resen t shift the onus to the recipient. X Dowry 40 3 DECEMBER 8, 1969 .Prohibition Bill 40X4

[Shri A. K. Sen] Nevertheless, we must not do anyth­ Therefore, my submission is that w * ing which will make an offence a should accept the Government amend' pure transaction which nobody regar­ merit subject to the deletion 0 1 the ds an evil. words "on behalf of either party” in sub-clause (b ) o f clause ( 2) and sub­ Shri Slnhasan Singh (Gorakhpur): ject to the deletion of the three line* There is one small mistake, Sir. The in Explanation I, “which by custom hon. Minister said that he ig accepting or usage are made at the time of Bn amendment of Shri Nathwani, marriage by any person to either about the removal of the words "on party to the marriage”. I shall put in behalf of such party” . There is an a further amendment to that effect amendment by the Government it­ immediately. self. There, the words are "on behalf Shri Nathwanl: I have moved al­ of either patty” . Which is the amend­ ready about the Explanation. ment he is going to accept? Shri A. K. Sen; 1 am moving it Mr. Deputy-Speaker: That he will immediately. I am sending it to you tell us when he finishes. He will give showing the changes. something in writing. Shri Narayanankutty Menon: But Shri A. K. Sen: When I say that I the law Minister has removed Expla­ accept Shri Nathwani’s amendment, nation II given in amendment No. 8 that follows. o f Shri P. R. Patel. The original Bill limited presents up to Rs. 2,0 00. Now Shri Sinhasan Singh: He mentioned the hon. Law Minister’s amendment amendment No. 48 of Shri Nathwani. plus Shri Patel's amendment limit th* cash.

Shri Nathwani: I have given a fur­ Shrf A. K. Sen: Cash means if it is ther amendment, which is No. 85, voluntary. which seeks to delete the last words in sub-clause (b ): “on behalf of either Shri Narayanankutty Menon: And party” , which is simitar to amend­ that too Rs. 2,000. ment No. 48. Shri P. K. Patel: The hon, Minister Shri N. E. Muniswamy: That is not was not present at that time. What before the House. I want to say is that that up to Rs. 2000 the prosecution w ill have to Shri A. K. Sen: Even the accep­ prove and no presumption will be tance of Shri Nathwani’s amendment made, but if the amount exceeds Rs. will have that effect. 2,000 then the court will presume that it is given as a dowry. I think we Shri N. R. Muniswamy: That has can put a check on dowry by this. nothing to do with this. Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Has the Law Minister finished? Shri A. K. Sen: The acceptance of Shri Nathwani’s amendment has the Shri A. K. Sen: Yes, I have finished. effect of having our own amendment altered to that extent, namely by delet­ I have put in an amendment show­ ing the words “ on behalf of either ing the deletions which we propose in party” in sub-clause (h ) of clause (2) the amendment. o f the amendment which was moved by the Deputy Law Minister yester­ Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The Govern­ day. ment amendment stands like this: 4015 Dow ry A G R A H A Y A N A 17, 1881 (SAKA) Prohibition Bill 4016

P a g e 1,— Shri Subiman Ghose: The remedy is worse than the disease. for clause 2, substitute — Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The Explana­ *2. Difinition of “dowry”. — In this Act, “dowry” means any pro­ tion is for the removal of doubts! I perty or valuable security given or may be permitted to read it again. agreed to be given— “Explanation I .—For the re­ (a) by one party to a marriage moval of doubts, it is hereby to the other party to the marriage; declared that any presents made or at the time of a marriage to either party to the marriage in (b) by the parents or cither the form of cash, ornaments, party to a marriage or by any clothes or other articles, shall not other person, to eithei party to be deemed to be dowry within the marriage or to any other the meaning of ...... person; Shri Narayanankutty Menon: May at or before or after the marriage I ask the hon. Minister what dowry as consideration for the marriage of tho said parties, but does not is now ? include dower or mahr in the case Shri Blmal Ghose (Barrackpore): of persons to whom the Muslim No doubt remains! Personal Law (Shariat) applies.

Explanation I .— For the removal Shri Narayanankutty Menon: of doubts, it is hereby declared Nothing is dowry according to this. that any presents made at the time of marriage to either party Shrimati Parvathi Krishan: H is to the marriage in the form of explanation is to drop the word “pro­ cash, ornaments, clothes, or other hibition” from the title. articles, shall not bo deemed to be Shri A . K . Sen: I think we ought to dowry within the meaning of this go back to the original clause. I agree section, unless th'y are made as that such an outstanding change consideration for the betrothal.... might convey a different impression Shrimati Renu Chakravartty: It is to the public outside. May I move now absolutely open. that the whole of the Explanation m ight go? Shri Narayanankutty Menon: The word “cash” should be removed. You Mr. Deputy-Speaker: If it is feasible. are now throwing the door wide open. Shri A. K. Sen: The House may permit us to withdraw the amend­ Shri Prabhat Kar: I think the ment and we stick to the oid clause. original explanation was better. Pandit Thakur Das Bhargava: A s a Shri A. K. Sen: We cannot satisfy matter of fact, that thing has not been every one, I am sorry. debated in this House, the question o f the lim it o f Rs. 2,000 was not there. Shrimati Renu Chakravartty: W hen the original Bill came he told us it M r. Deputy-Speaker: Order, order. would cover whatever was given as consideration, by way of gifts and There would be another fresh diffi­ culty. When the old clause was sub­ other things. Now, the whole thing, stituted by this amendment, all atten­ all dowry, is legalised! tion was directed towards this, and Mr. Deputy-Speaker: I will read the the whole discussion has been going Explanation sgain. on on that basis. I intended to ru le “For the removal of doubts.... out all the amendments because they 4 0 1 7 D o w ry DSCKMBKR 8, ltfft Prohibition Bill 402S

[M r Deputy-Spea&er] have been moved to the original it quite clear that the Government clause and not to the substitute am endm ent was only put forward for clause. Now the hon. Law Minister consideration of possible alternatives says he goes back to the original because many Members had expressed clause. How can 1 ask the hon. apprehension regarding customary Members to vote for it or against it? presents and so on, and as I said, neither Government nor any M em ber should be committed in their m inds Pandit Thakur Das Bhargava: We with regard to the provisions of this should not be deprived of our right to Bill, because, as I said, this is a non- move amendments. controversial Bill and we are trying Mr. Deputy-Speaker: T h e tim e to frame as good a Bill as possible. allotted is over. After the discussions it appears that it is best to stick to the original clause rather than to the alternative. Shri A. K. Sen: We are really dis­ Therefore, with the leave of the cussing across the table on this. House we shall withdraw this amend­ ment, and the original clause may be Mr. Deputy-Speaker: T h en I can voted upon. hold it over and proceed with the next Bill. Meanwhile, Government might make up its mind as to what it should Pandit Thakur Das Bhargava: May do. I submit a word at this stage? The hon. Minister has said that he will go back to the original clause, but we Shri N. R. Muniswamy: T h a t is have not even discussed the limit of b etter. , 4 ^ Rs. 2,000 etc. T h ere are v e r y m an y Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Now because flaw s in h avin g Rs. 2,000 as the upper the time is over, if I immediately or the lower limit. That we have not guillotine it and put the whole thing discussed, and we will give many to vote, that would not bv fair, I ;,vnendments. suppose. S h ri A . K. Sen: I made it quite Shri A. K. Sen: May I add that we cl.ar in the morning that the hon. really proceeded on the basis that Members should be allowed to speak either the original clause remains or both on the original clause and the this remains, because I made it quite am endm ent. clear in the morning that the Gov­ ernment’s mind or the minds of any Pandit Thakur Das Bhargava: After of the Members here were not com­ all, it is the will of the Chair that mitted either to this amendment or to will prevail, not the will of the Minis­ the original clause? ter or the Deputy Minister.

Mr. Deputy-Speaker: W h o should S lirj A. K. Sen: I have not said any say whether the original should such thing. remain or this one? Government should come forward with a concrete Pandit Thakur Das Bhargava: W e thing which I can put to the House. must be allowed to discuss what the hon. Minister now gives as an amend­ Shri Surendranath Dwivedy: L e t ment. The hon. Deputy Minister’s this be held over. amendment was amended by the hon. Minister and we were discussing that. Shri A. K. Sen: No, why? When Now he does not want to stand b y I rose to speak in the morning when his amendment and wants to revert the Speaker was in the Chair, I made back. It means that that question 4 0 1 9 Dowry A G R A H A Y A N A 17, 1881 (SAKA) Prohibition Bill 402m must be mooted again. Otherwise it I said, we are not anxious to push means our amendments cannot be con­ through any particular provision just sidered, and we have not been heard by a majority, because there is a very <*n this point, and I feel very strongly big p u b lic ...... that the reversion to Rs. 2,000 is a great flaw. Twenty persons may M r. Deputy-Speaker: W ou ld he make presents, and a person who stick to the original clause, or would makes a present of one rupee will he bring forward fresh amendment* also be included equally as the person now? who makes a present of Rs, 500. Shri A. K. Sen: No, we shall stick Mr. Deputy-Speaker: My only diffi­ to the original clause. culty is that when clause 2 was being discussed here, Government came for­ Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The original ward with a new amendment and clause 2 shall be before the House for brought a new clause. At once, an discu-.sion objection was taken by the Members that because this was a new thing Shri Jhunjhunwala (Bhagalpurj: altogether, and they could not discuss Then, there are other amendments the old clause, therefore, they should wh’ch will have to be taken up- be given time. The substitute clduse that was intended to be substituted in place of the clause as in the Bill was Shrimati Renu Chakravartty: May circulated, and w e {,'ot tim e fo r dis­ I submit that amendment No. 67 which cussion up to this hour. Pandit Thakur Das Bhargava haa moved is in substance more or less th® Now, at the last m om ent, when w - same as was moved in the original have discussed the amendment given amendment? So, if Pandit Thakur by the hon. Law Minister, when I am Das Bhargava would be prepared to going to put it to the vote of the House, if the lion. Law Minister wants to withdraw it and rev* rt to old clause Mr. Deputy-Speaker: I am not going 2, then my difficulty would bo that to do that. the hon. Members would desire that they should have a fresh opportunity Shrimati Renu Chakravartty: H» to cliscuc’:; that old clause. Either I has moved it already. can hold it over and just start with the next business, and in the mean­ Mr. Deputy-Speaker: I shall give an while, Government may make up opportunity to the House again. their mind, or, if it is clear that the Shri C. R. Pattabhi R am aa original clause is to be stuck lo, then too, I shall have lo give an hour to (Kumbakonam): It has not been con­ tixo hon. Members, so that they may sidered. discuss it; and then alone I can put Shri Nathwani: We shall consider it it to the vote of the House. tom orrow .

So, it shall stand over, and I shall Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Surely, some start with the next business. And we motion would be made and we shall shall take up this Bill tomorrow, and have another hour allotted, and then by that thne Government may make we shall conclude. up their mind as to w hat they propose to do. Shri A. K. Sen: In the meantime, may I beg for leave to withdraw this Shri A . K. Sen: May I say that it am endment? may be notified immediately that we shall not press this amendment? As Shri Nathwani: Leave is granted. 4021 D owry Prohibition BiU DECEM BER 8,1959 M ines ( Am endm ent ) Bill 4022

S h rl Hajarnavis: I also beg leave to to the mines now. So, there ought t» Withdraw my amendment. be silence.

Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The hon. Shrimati Benu Chakravartty: May Minister wants to withdraw the we know whether this Dowry Prohi­ amendment which had been moved by bition Bill w ill be taken up as the first Government. Has he the leave of the thing tomorrow? House? I rather thought that he might withdraw it tomorrow when Mr. Deputy-Speaker; Yes, it would this question would actually come up. be taken up as the first thing tom orrow . Pandit Thakur Das Bhargava: With­ drawal cannot be permitted even if one Member dissents to it. That 14.43 hrs. amendment is now in the possession of the House, I surely dissent. MINES (AMENDMENT) BILL

The Minister of Labour and Em­ Mr. Deputy-Speaker: If there is ployment and Planning (Shri Nanda): objection, then I would not allow him I beg to move: to withdraw it. I am advising the Law Minister to beg for leave to “That the Bill further to amend withdraw it tomorrow. the Mines Act, 1952, be taken in­ to consideration.”. Shri A. K. Sen: Very well. The purpose of the Bill before the Mr. Deputy-Speaker: So, this shall House is to amend certain provisions stand over, and we shall now take up of the Mines Act, 1952. I should say the next business. a few words here about the Act itself. Shri C. K. Bhattacharya: I want one This Act regulates the conditions of email explanation. The Law Minister work in the mines, especially in rela­ has just stated that ho is going back tion to the Tequirements of safety of to the original clause. What is that the workers who work in the mines. original clause? There is corresponding legislation for workers in factories, in the Factories Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Whatever it is, Act. The Mines Act has provisions whatever is printed in the Bill. with regard to hours of work, em­ ployment of women and children etc. Shrl C. K. Bhattacharya: Is it in the It lays down standards with regard Bill as introduced or as it has emerged to matters pertaining to health, and from the Joint Committee? conservancy, that is, sanitary require­ ments. It has also certain provisions Mr. Deputy-Speaker: It is the regarding medical appliances.. There original clause according to the is a whole chapter in this Act regard­ recommendations of the Joint Com­ ing leave with wages. The most im­ m ittee. portant part of this Act, as 1 said earlier, concerns safety. There are Now, Shri Nanda. certain provisions regarding safety in this Act, although the specific require­ The Minister of Labour and Em­ ments are laid down in regulations ployment and Planning (Shri Nanda): under the Act. In the Act itself, the I beg to move that the Bill further to machinery for enforcement and the amend the Mines Act, 1952, be taken procedures for enforcement have been into consideration.. ( Interruption ). laid down. Arising out of that, and the other provisions, there Is a chapter Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Now, that old regarding penalties. This Bill which business is over. We are going down I have presented before the House 4023 Mines AGRAHAYANA 17,1881 (SAKA) (Amendment) Bill 4024 touches practically all the aspects of are also important from the point of the Bill which I have mentioned. But view of the workers, and the other the significant changes proposed changes about safety—1 would not through this amending Bill are of two take up much time of the House in kinds. giving any general explanation. But There are a few clauses here which 1 would take some time to mention seek to confer on the workers certain some of the important clauscs, that is material benefits, such as increased leaving out those which are of only rate of overtime allowance etc. There a verbal character or which make are certain other clauses, which 1 re­ minor changes or are introduced only gard as of oustanding importance, for the purpose of greater legal clarity. namely those which concern matters I would deal with those clauses which with regard to safety. Now, an endea­ bring in changes of a substantive vour is being made through this character. amending Bill to strengthen the safe­ 'I would first refer to clause 3, which guards for the safety of the workers does not bring in any new material but who woi-k in the mines, who are ex­ seeks to incorporate in the Act itself posed to risks, as everybody knows, what at present exists in the regula­ in fact, to more risks than in other tions. This is about exemptions for occupations. Therefore, the object is small quarries and for operations to ensure that as far as possible, all which relate to prospecting etc. avoidable risks to the health and safety Then I will go on to clause 4 which of the workers in the mines are eli­ is for the purpose of making the ad- m inated. minisiration of the Act a little more In making these proposals, we have effective by providing for delegation drawn upon our experience for the last of some of the powers of the Chief few years; we have also received some Inspector to other classes of inspectors, guidance from the deliberations of a thus making for convenience and more conference, the conference on safety, efficient administration. which was held some time back, and The next clause is No. 9. This is in which all sections of this industry important in a way. This relates to participated, employers, managers, ex­ the omission of certain words in sec­ perts, workers, representatives etc. In tion 18 of the principal Act, namely, the light of those discussions, we have ‘Save as hereinbefore provided’. This thought of introducing certain now omission has ccrtain consequences of provisions in this legislation. a beneficial character. The proviso to sub-section (2) is sought to be omitted. This Bill has forty-seven clauses. Experience has so far been that if the But I believe about half this number proviso is deleted from section 18, it do not import any material change. will add a bit of strength to the machi­ Some of them are just intended for nery and procedure for enforcement. the purpose of better clarity or clari­ The proviso which is sought to he fication; some introduce certain chang. omitted lets off the owner or the es in the presentation or the sequence, agent if he brings forward proof to the object being to remove certain the effect that he was not in the habit ambiguities and doubts which may of taking, and did not in respect of have been felt or which may have the matter in question take, any part arisen in the course of our experience in the management of the mine, and of the working of this legislation. It that he had made all the financial and is these clauses which possibily are other provisions necessary to enable responsible for the hulk of this amend­ the manaeer to carry out his duties in g B ill. and that the offence was committed For the rest—as I said, there are without his knowledge, consent or con­ two types of changes, those which con­ nivance. This proviso is sought to be cern the economic provisions, about taken away on the ground that the wages, overtime etc, which I regard safeguards which remain in favour of Mines D *C *M B *R I, iOSe (Amendment) JJ«t 4 0 **

[S h ri N an d a] ibe owner are adequate. Bead with This, as I said, is an important new certain, other sections of the provision which. I believe, is going I* Act—i believe sections 76 axvd 77— be very helpful in securing better en­ they are quite ample lor the purpose forcement and better provision oi of enabling an owner, m anager etc. to arrangements to ensure safety. see to it that he does nat incur un­ 15 hrs. necessary liahility and all that was possible for him to do had been done. The next clause I would deal with But he should not have recourse to is clause 12. There are certain provi­ the device of putting up somebody, sions in clause “12 regarding the giv­ some small person in the organisation, ing of notice about accidents etc. M to take the blame on his account, be­ some new features are introduced. cause that would weaken the admini­ There is one additional small item stration and enforcement of the Act. which reads 'any other accident which This is the effect of clause 9., may be prescribed’..

The first part of clause 13 is of a Next 1 would come to clause 11. consequential nature. I would like to This is not of very major importance, invite your attention to the second but this refers to the provisions about part. After full consideration, it is first-aid boxes, cup-boards etc. These our desire to alter it somewhat. This first-aid boxes and cup-boards equip­ clause relates to the certificates. W hen ped with such contents as may be pre­ a big or small accident occurs and scribed shall be provided and main­ when a person enquiring into it dis­ tained. So it is not to be just a parti­ covers that there was a prima facie cular number aTS laid down now. The case for cancelling the certificates, he amendment gives greater elasticity will now hold a further enquiry into for this purpose the matter. When the person concern­ ed is puma iacie guilty of ixiwrnpo- In the same clause, jthere is also tence or negligence or misconduct in an amendment to section 22. This tlie peifonnance of his duties, there is deals with provisions in case of non- at present a further enquiry by an­ compliance. This is a very important other por^n. Non1, thrt to'"-lc a lon?I amendment. If the inspector had given time. The:\ wprc Hnp dc>;iyr There­ certain directions in order to remove fore, it was thought that We might en­ certain elements of danger, and those able the same rouv 1 of cnqirvy to de.il defects have not been removed and with this question also. But we had the directions not carried out, at pre­ further d'scurs-'ons with t'.r.' person? sent all that is open to us is to prose­ who have t'ome to moot us on bc'ialf of cute, which process causes delays and the management of the mines regard­ takes time., The outcome of those pro­ ing this and certain other rlausrs. secutions is not always such as is con­ After listening to them we felt that ducive to creating a greater sense of possibly this will need reconsideration responsibility in the management. and possibly we will have to keep Therefore, something more deterrent intact the earlier provisions. There had to be introduced. Item (1A) is a is an amendment from the side of new provision which enables the Chief Governm ent regarding this aspect. Inspector or the Inspector, as the case may be, in case of failure to comply Clause 14 deals with the employ­ with the directions, to prohibit the ment of women and the question of employment in or about the mine or spread-over. This is necessitated on any part thereof of any person whose account of the ILO Convention on the employment is not, !n his opinion, subject. Now, any permission to in­ reasonably necessary for securing com­ crease the hours of spread-over in the pliance with the terms of the notice. case of women will have to be subject 40*7 ***** AGRAHAYANA 17,1661 (SAKA) (Amendment) BiU 4 0 2 8 t o certain conditions, Provision is the monthly-paid worker. The inten­ made lor prescribing such conditions. tion is to remove this distinction and place all the workers on the same level. There is another provision In clause 17, certain changes are which refers to the same subject— made with regard to the rate for over­ leave with wages. It is now being time work. Previously, there has been provided that the days which are in­ some distinction in this respect bet­ cluded in a period of lay-off, mater­ ween the workers above ground and n ity, etc, w ill be counted as days at those below ground. The rate w as work. It is further being provided times in one case and 2 in the that the accumulation of leave will be other case. This distinction is now permitted. It was not permitted s* sought to be abolished. The overtime far except in the case of monthly-paid rate will be twice the ordinary rate workers. This privilege of accumula­ of v/agis in all these cases. That is tion is being extended to all the other an important provision. workers also and the period of accu­ mulation i3 being increased from 28 Clause 21 is introduced in the in­ days to 30 days. It is also provided terest o f adolescents. T h e idea is this. that this can be carried forward in Certain exemptions are being provid­ certain circumstances without limit. ed and the adolescents should be ex­ The relevant clause reads: cluded from the operation of those ex­ em ptions. “Provided further that any such person who has applied for leave with wages but has not been given Clause 27 refers to women working such leave in accordance with sub­ above ground. Here again it is be­ section (6) shall be entitled to cause of an ILO Convention. carry forward the unavailed leave without any limit.” Every woman employed in a mine above ground shall be allowed an There is also, in the same context, a interval of not loss than eleven hours further provision. between the termination of employ­ “If a person employed in a mine ment on any one day and tho com­ wants to avail himself of the leave mencement of the next period of em­ with wages due to him to cover p loym en t a period of illness, he shall be granted such leave even if the In clause 29, there is a provision application for leave is not made that no per-on shall enter any open within the time specified in sub­ east working or any working below section (5)-” ground unless he has been permitted by the manager or is authorised under This is the additional benefit. A per­ the A c t or any other la w to do so. son can utilise it for any urgent re­ T h is is in order to help m ore effective quirement in respect of illness. implementation of the provisions so that unauthorsed persons are not pre­ There is another important provi­ sent to complicate the situation. sion under the .same clause on page 18. It is a new clause. It reads: In clause 30, again, certain improve­ ments are made in the interest of the “Any sum required to be paid workers engaged in these mines. In by the owner, agent or manager the matter of rights to leave with of a mine under this Chapter but wages, there should be no distinction not paid by him shall be recover­ between the monthly-paid workers able as delayed wages under the and the other workers. T ill now, provisions of the payment of there was a distinction in favour of W ages Act, 1936." [S h ri N a n da] -So far, if a person f-elt aggrieved on the penalties etc. that w e are provid­ this account, he had to have recourse ing. It has, therefore, been laid down to the ordinary courts, etc. This pro­ that some person who is residing there, vision provides a very important faci­ and who is a person actually sharing lity. Dotn the benefits and responsibility Sir, I shall now take up that por­ will be held to be responsible if any­ tion of the Bill which deals with thing happens there. penalties. This begins with clause 35. If hon. Members will see page 22 of Clause 43 is about limitation.. This is only in order to avoid any difficulty the Bill they will find_that changes regarding counting of the period o I have been made and the penalties have limitation. It has now been put as been raised. In section 65 the fine of Rs. 50 has been raised to Rs. 200, a from every point of time during which line of Rs. 1000 has been put instead the offence continues. of Rs. 200 in section 66, the fine of Rs. 500 has been raised to Rs., 1000 I have, Sir, gone through practically in section 67 and so on. In the other all the provisions of the Bill, the pro­ sections also the same approach is posed amendments, which in actual there. Having observed the working fact will make any significant change of the Act and the outcome of the cither with regard to those provisions prosecutions it has been felt that con­ which confer certain benefits on the sidering thfe serious nature of the risks workers in the shape of leave with involved and the stakes of a laTge w ages etc., or those provisions which number of workers engaged in this are aimed at providing conditions of industry it is very necessary that the security and safety for the workers sanctions should be strengthened. in this industry. This Bill has come after considerable deliberation and dis­ Clause 40 also is of the same cussion and also consultation with all character. Previously all residuary the parties concerned. There have offences were to be dealt with on cer­ been frequent consultations and, as I tain lines. A fine of Rs. 1000 or three pointed out just a while ago, there has months imprisonment was provided. For certain of those offences which been a very rccent discussion with the have been specified here additionally representatives of the managers who have pointed out that some of the new the punishment is to be imprisonment proposals are possibly too hard, too which may extend to a term of six drastic, too severe, and they would months or a fine which may extend to like the matteT to be reconsidered. Rs. 2000 or both. For continuing to work a mine, in contravention of the They have explained that if we make orders, in the same clause— instead those provisions less drastic than they of three months or Rs. 500, it has n o w are intended to be, still it w ould been made two years and a fine which be possible to secure the ends which may extend to Rs. 5000. we want to serve through this legis­ lation. After fuller consideration of Now I come to clause 41. This also these matters we have also come to the has some bearing on the subject mat­ conclusion that at one or two places ter which we dealt with in relation to those changes are advisable. I have clause 9. If hon. Members will refer to mentioned one already regarding the page 41, they will find that here it cancellation of a certificate. There is provides a substitute section for sec­ another which refers to a provision tion 76. The intention here is to pre­ about penalties. In the case of re­ vent owners who are actually respon. curring offences, where the offence is sible for the administration, manage­ repeated or the intention was to pro­ ment of the mines etc. from taking vide for a very stiff penalty, that it shelter behind some nominee and should be both imprisonment and fine thereby rendering very ineffectual all making imprisonment compulsory. Vfe 403 1 Mines A G R A H A Y A N A 17,1881 (SAKA) {Amendment) Bill 4032

have heard them and we feel that it Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Shri Tridib may> possibly, at least for the present Kumar Chaudhuri is not here. So serve our purpose if we omit that there are only three amendments. and make an alternative provision that the penalties in cases of repeti­ Shrimati Ila Palchoudhuri: I beg to tion w ill be double what it was for move: the original offences. That the Bill further to amend the Mines Act, 1952, be referred to a I have covered the ground in all Joint Committee of the Houses, con­ matters of essentials which are being sisting of 24 members; 16 from this brought up through this proposed le­ House, namely Shri Arun Chandra gislation. I believe, in view of the Guha Shri Chaplakanta Bhattachary- fact that this matter has been very va, Shri Satish Chandra Samanta, closely examined and we have a Shri Aurobindo Ghosal, Shri Bibhuti recently had a discussion of the Bill Bhushan Das Gupta, Shri Tridib in our informal consultative committee Kumar Chaudhuri, Lala Achint Ram, on labour— this is in relation to the Shrimati Mafida Ahmed, Shri Joachim information that I got that there is Alva, Dr. K. Atchamamba, Shri some idea of moving a motion for re­ Upendranath Barman, Shrimati Renu ference of the Bill to a Select Com­ Chakravartty, Shri Subiman Ghose, mittee— that it may not be necessary Shri Bimal Comar Ghose, Dr. Ram to refer it to a Select Committee. Subhag Singh; and the mover and eight members from Rajya Sabha; Sir, I have done. that in order to constitute a sitting of the Joint Committee the quorum Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Motion moved: shall be one-third of the total number of members of the Joint Committee; ‘‘That the Bill further to amend the Mines Act, 1952, be taken that the Committee shall make a into consideration.” report to this House by the last day of the first week of the next session; I find that there are certain amend­ that in other respects the Rules of ments. Is Shrimati Ila Palchoudhuri Procedure of this House relating to moving her amendment? Parliamentary Committees will apply Shrimati lla Palchoudhuri (Nabad- with such variations and modifications as the Speaker may make; w ip ): Yes. that this House recommends to Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Has she given Rajya Sabha that Rajya Sabha do the names? join the said Joint Committee and communicate to this House the names Shrimati Ila Palchoudhuri: I have of members to be appointed by Rajya the names of Members from Lok Sabha to the Joint Committee. Sabha. Shri Aurobindo Ghosal: I beg to Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Is Shri move: Samanta moving his amendment? That the Bill further to amend the Mines Act, 1952, be referred to a Shri S. C. Samanta (Tamluk): Yes: Joint Committee of the Houses consist­ Mr. Deputy-Speaker: There are ing of 30 members, 20 from this some others also, but they have not House, namely Shri Diwan Chand given the names. Sharma, Shri K. R. Achar, Dr. G. S. Melkote, Shri Satish Chandra Samanta, Shri Aurobindo Ghosal (Uluberia): Shri Yadav Narayan Jadhav, Shri I have given the names. I am moving Braj Raj Singh, Shri Naushir Bha- my amendment. rucha, Shri Surendra Mahanty, Shri 4-33 D 8CEMHKB i, itat (Amendment) Bitt 4034

(S h ri A urobindo G h osal} Bibhuti Bhushan Das Gupta, Shri T. Shrlmatl H a Palehoikttmri: Mr. B. Vittal Rao, Shri Chintionani Pani- Deputy-Speaker, Sir, in view of the grahi, Shri Dhananidhar Basumatari, fact that the hon. Minister has just Shrimati Ila Palchoudhuri, Shri N. R. now said that he has explained Why If. Swamy, Shri Ansar Harvani, Shri the Bill should not go to a Joint Com­ B. C. Kamble, Shri Ram Krishan mittee, I would yet ask him to consi­ Gupta, Shri Bahadur Singh, Shri T. der if it would be possible for the Bill Sanganna and Shri Aurobindo Ghosal to be sent to a Joint Committee, be­ and 10 members from Rajya Sabha; cause there are many points of view that have to be considered in this Bill- that in order to constitute a sitting The fact that this Bill envisages more of the Joint Committee the quorum safety for the workers has evoked shall be one-third of the total number commendation from every side, and of members of the Joint Committee; this is a matter of great satisfaction. In some of the clauses, provision for that the Committee shall make a more safety has been made; for ex­ report to this House by the first day ample, In every mine wherein more of the next session; than 150 persons are working, more that in other respects the Rules of safety has been provided, and the Procedure of this House relating to original Bill has been really improved. Parliamentary Committees will apply But there are one or two things that with such variations and modifica­ I think I may bring to the notice of tions as the Speaker may make; the House while speaking on the amendments, but, at the moment, I that this House recommends to think a Joint Committee would be Rajya Sabha that Rajya Sabha do join very useful from the Minister’s point the said Joint Committee and com­ of view as well as from the point of municate to this House the names of view of those who wish to put in their members to be appointed by Rajya opinion on the Bill. Sabha to the Joint Committee. (21)

Secondly, there are certain amend­ Shri S. C. Samanta: That the Bill ments which I have tabled. It is not be referred to a Select Committee con­ because I wish to make some criti­ sisting of 20 members, namely Shri cisms on the B ill but I really think Arun Chandra Guha, Shrimati Ila Pal- that those amendments should be ohoudhuri, Shri Diwan Chand Sharma, adopted because they satisfy the pur­ Shri Ram Krishan Gupta, Shri Bhakt pose for which this Bill has been Darshan, Shri Ram Chandra Majhi, brought forward. Shri T. B. Vittal Rao, Shri Bibhuti Bhushan Das Gupta, Shri Raghunath Mining is a hazardous experience. Singh, Shri Dharanidhar Basumatari, There will be hazards, and we can- Shri Tekur Subrahmanyam, Shri H. hardly do anything to eliminate them C. Heda, Shri Shree Narayan Das, completely and any care that may be­ Shri Tayappa Hari Sonavane, Shri taken of the workers has to be taken. Radhelal Vyas, Shri T. Sanganna, At the same time, we should not lose Shri C. R. Narasimhan, Shri Vidya sight of anything and do anything un­ Charan Shukla, Shri Bangshi Thakur duly that may result in any harass­ and the mover with instructions to ment of any party. There, I will cer­ report by the last day of the first tainly say that in clause 40 w hich week of the next session, ( 20) seems to amend the existing sections 73 and 74, penalties are imposed. I Mr. Deputy-Speaker: So, we hav® would certainly ask the Minister to got three amendments; No. 1 by Shri­ consider the cause of accidents. For mati Ila Palchoudhuri, No. 20 by instance, we find the following figures Shri S. C. Samanta and No. 21 by in relation to the fatal accidents dur­ Shri Aurobindo Ghosal. ing 1952-1956. M isadventure, 191; fau lt Mlnci AGRAHAYANA 17,1&81 (SAKA) (Amendment) Bill 403&

jt ‘••cement, 31; fault of subordi­ but they should really be trained men~ nate ftiperrisory gta8, 39; fault of The managers of the mines have as. people who were really hurt, injured mu:h risk to run as the workers. They or who died actually, ; fault ot co- 21 are inside the mines as much as the fW kers, 80; fault of the material em- workers. So, we should not take the Moyed, I. So, you will find that the attitude that the managers run no percentage of fatal accidents parti­ risk. 1 am making no plea for the cularly attributable to the mangement managers nor am for more risk for U 10-47 per cent. That, 1 claim, is not 1 the workers. But I say there should * small percentage. But I would say be equitable justice for all. In that that our mines have improved a great sense, the sections relating to over­ 4*na. At the same time, I would like time, leave and so forth should be „. * Government to try and se« that made applicable from 1st January,. our mines are equipped— including the 1960. Let the workers get those bene­ Government— worked mines— with fits as soon as possible, because theirs modern amenities and facilities, espe­ is a hazardous job and they should get cially as regards safety. They should every comfort and advantage possible. be as modern as can the managed. But at the same time, it must also be That is a point that should be attend­ Been that the interests of the managers ed to by Government. From every and the owners and the industry do- point of view, we must have the most not suffer as a whole. modem equipment; we should have the safest equipment. By every means Lastly, we in India do not seem to> w e must ensure the safety of the have any kind of training for safety mines. as envisaged in most other coun­ Now, when we say that the manage­ tries of the world. For instance, here ment is always at fault, that again is workers work underground in dange­ an attitude which I do not think is rous conditions and there are no even­ very healthy for the industry. Se­ ing classes where every day he is condly, when there was the Amlabad told about the dangers he should ootpiogion in 1955, the court of enquiry guard against. In England this is had recommended that inspectors done. In many other western count­ •hould serve as mine managers for at ries also this is done. While not having least five years before being entrusted the very best equipment everywhere,, Wlw* ?" inspector’s responsibility. This at least let us have audiovisual aide recommendation has never been ac- through which the workers can be told ffepted by Goverhh^nt. An inspector three or four times a week, "These are- must be fully qualified to know what the conditions under which you are W happening in a mine and to realise working and these are the things you the hill value of what he is going to must not do*’ because, when we handle Inspect. Actually, nowadays, when fire, we very often for get that fire- w » look at the number of inspectors bums. W e become oblivious of the available, we see that the position is safety measures. Possibly the mana­ th is~I do not know if I have got the gers do enforce the safety measures, figures with me. Out of 43 inspectors. but the workers neglect them. I think M poets are vacant. Who will fill the manager or the owner is hauled these 28 posts? It will be the junior up in every esse, whereas the person inspectors who have no idea of the who really endangered the lives of working of the mines. So, all this has hundreds of workers is not hauled up. to be looked into before the Bill is This is a case which the hon. Minis­ actually taken up, When I press my ter must consider. amendments, I will give my reasons in greater detail. It is for these reasons that I hav< tabled this motion for referring thl I would ask the hon. Minister to see Bill to a Joint Committee, where al' that the inspectors are not only fully these things could be discussed ant aware of what they are going to do, all points of view could be expressed 403-' Mines DECEMBER ft, 1959 CAmendment ) Bill 4038

[Shrimati Ila Palchoudhuri] Some sort of safety clause to ensure Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Has she secur­ the Safety of the Workers should be ed the consent of all th<6 Members? put there, so that they could be train­ ed in safety measures. We have a Shrimati Ila Palchoudhuri: I hare m ining training school, but that is for secured the consent of most of the the higher personnel. But people -who Members and I am at the mercy of are ignorant, who do not know the others. I hope they w ill not o b je .' value of taking the safety measures to it. and who jeopardise their lives without Mr. Deputy-Speaker; The names arg knowledge, must be trained. Shri Arun Chandra Guha, Shri ' lakanta Bhattacharyya, Shri There is a clause here that women Chandra Samanta and so on. will be debarred from working beyond ^amanta has agreed to serve on t^is a certain number of hours. Nowadays !h:'nt Committee when he has a irK^- I think most mines do not allow tion in his name? women to work underground. Possibly if they are doing this, this should be discouraged. More and more rules and Shri S. C. Samanta: In any case, two amendments cannot be taken up; only legislation should be brought forward, so that women are not made to work one will be adopted. If this is adopt­ underground. ed. I w ill serve on the committee.

Shri A. C. Guha (Barasat): I think Shrl T. B. Vittal Rao: (Khammam): the names are not relevant in this It is banned. case, because if the Governm ent ac­ Shrimati Ua Palchoudhuri: Women cept the proposal to refer it to a Select should be discouraged and not encour­ Committee, they will themselves come aged to work underground. I think the forw ard w ith a list. Ministry should also, by pamphlets and other things, encourage this trend; Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The hon. that is what I meant. Minister has made it clear that he is not going to accept it. But, for my I hope the Minister will seriously purpose, I must be assured that the discuss the whole thing in a Select consent of the members has been Committee, because in an informal taken. committee it is not really possible for everyone to point out all that he Shri Nanda: May I add a word? wants. These workers who give us With reference to the purpose in view the black diamond are an asset to ( do not see what distinction there is India. So, their safety must be as­ between an informal committee meet­ sured. Then, the managers and the ing dealing with this matter or a re­ owners are also an asset to India. They gularly constituted committee dealing have exploited the mines, so they are with it. Because, as I have said, we also assets to India. The black dia­ have already met before, and we have mond can add to the wealth of India gone through the Bill. But I am pre­ only if it is properly and legitimately pared to meet them again, today or utilized. So, the legislation should be tomorrow evening, which will be aa such that the industry does not suffer even more effective procedure for the and gets full scope for development. purpose of bringing out the intention Therefore, it is necessary to give scope and, if need be, to amend the provi­ for everybody to put their point of sions, though I hardly see any ground view to the Minister before the legis­ for that. Because, we have gone to lation is passed. That is why I com­ the utmost limit to accommodate every mend my motion for reference to the possible point of view, and consider­ -Joint Committee, and I hope the ing the amendments which are before -Minister w ill accept it. us, I do not think there is useful pur- 4 ^ 3 9 M in e s AGBAHAYANA IT. 1881 (SAKA) (Amendment) Bill 4040

P9W in having a regularly constituted oppose this Bill. I do so with a mixed -committee. A s I have stated, w e can feeling because of a few benefits always meet and discuss. that are conferred on the workers.

Mr. Deputy-Speaker: M ay I know M’ning is the most hazardous and whether Shrimati Ila Palchoudhuri arduous of all professions. There are and Shri Sa manta agree to the propo­ miners who go down to depths rang­ sal now made by the Minister? I think ing from 1,000 to 10,000 feet below the they agree to that. Therefore, I am ground to dig from the bowels of the not placing those mot'ons before the earth the various minerals. Not oniy House. What about Shri Ghosal? thai. There are miners who have to scale a height of 6,000 feet above sea Shrl Aurobindo Ghosal: I am not level to raise iron ore for running w ithdraw in g it. the steel industry. Because, every industry depends on the mines and Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Has he got thft minerals are the basic raw materials consent of all the Members? for every industry. So. these neooie. a little over six lakhs, who are work­ Shri Aurobindo Ghosal: Yes. ing in the various mines in our country are rea’ly responsible for Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The first name keeping the wheels of every industry is Shri Diwan Chand Sharma. He is moving. not here. How could he get his con­ sent? Last year, these six lakhs of miners Shri Aurobindo Ghosal: Yesterday contributed to the national income of Rs. 136 crore»- Annually, the contri­ he was present here. bution made by these people is rising. Not only is production rising, but Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Then the productivity of workers also is rising. names are Shri K. R. Achar, Dr. G. S. That is the position which we have Melkote, Shri Satish Chandra to consider. Therefore, these workers Samanta, Shri Yadav Narayan Jadhav deserve to be treated in a better way etc. Most of them are absent. than any other workers, because these workers are exposed to risks Shri Aurobindo Ghosal: They were many times more than their counter­ all present yesterday. parts in the various other industries.

Mr. Deputy-Speaker: All right, if What do we find in the amending be persists, I will admit it. The Bill? In liberalising the annual leave amendment of Shri Aurobindo Ghosal with wages, we are bringing them on is before the House. par with the workers in the factories, or a little more than the workers in Shri T. B. Vittal Rao: Mr. De­ the factories. They deserve much puty-Speaker, I have very carefully more than that. Surprisingly enough, heard the hon. Minister while he I find thefe is no provision for these mo>vears of the option to commute it into sick leave working of .the Act. I would have May I know if there is any industry naturally expected that all the expe­ or any employment which does not rience which we have been able to make any provision for sick leave? gain during the long neriod of the The factory workers who are insured working of Act would have been re­ under the Employees’ S'.ate Insurance flected in the amendments that have Act, get 56 days’ sick leave w :th half been proposed by the Government. I wages. Unfortunately, these miners must confess that I cannot whole- do not have any provision made for halkrtedly welcome this Bill, nor them. S$e (Ai) LSD—7. 40 4 1 Mine* DECEM BER 8, 10S9 (Amendment) B ill

[S h ri T. B. Vittal Bao] It may be argued on behalf at th * One important thing which has Government that the Government is been agitating the minds of the trade giving effect to the decisions of the union organisations, the trade union Industrial Committee on Coalmines, leaders and the workers is about the but may X submit that this Com­ reduction of working hours for these mittee met in August, 1956 and the miners. conclusions arrived at by it are a little out of date in the context of the Only a few months ago I happened present conditions? to participate in an international con­ ference of Miners. I met the represen­ Then I come to the other provisions tatives of miners from various coun­ of the Bill. Some provisions have tries, and I found that in many coun­ been made making it compulsory for tries the underground workers work keeping and maintaining first-aid only for 36 hours a week. In some boxes, medical appliances and appa­ cases it was 42 hours, and in the U.K. ratus at the w ork site. This is a very it is only 40 hours. In a week of welcome provision. I was in cor­ seven days they have to work only respondence for some time with the for five days at the rate of eight Ministry regarding the question of hours a day. Is not our country yet transportation of miners when th°y ripe for introducing some reduction are injured. They said they would in the hours of work! If you take take this into consideration when the into consideration the circumstances Mines Act was amended. I wanted in which our miners are working, that the number of ambulance vans their productivity does in no way lag that shou'd b<> kept at the mines behind other workers in the world. should he related to the strength of Only the other day I was reading tne the workeis employed in the mines, speech delivered by Shri H. V. R. so that there can be adequate provi­ Iengar, Governor of the Reserve sion for transporting the miners who Bank, wherein he has compared the are injured to the hospital, because output and the productivity of the timely attention to an injured person Indian worker and said that it is in an accident may save his life. good compared to others. Much depends on the immediate attention that is paid to the injured So, I have moved an amendment worker. for a reduction in the working hours of these nrners by a very small ex­ 15.45 hrs. tent. I do not know whether the [S hri C. R. P attab h i R a m a n in the Minister w ill accept it or not. but Chair] this is one of the burning problems agitating the minds of the miners. I do not know how they are going to Coming to annual leave with wages, provide for this with the very vague if you work it out concretely, In a provision that we find in this BilL progressive mine there are in a year For, I know that a company which of 365 days only 300 to 302 working employs about ten thousand persons days, and if jou compute at the rate has got only one ambulance van to provided in this amending Bill, even go about; and sometimes, the injured if a miner attends all the working persons have to wait for two to three days, which is rarely possible under hours before they could get the ambu­ the present working conditions, he lance van and be transported to the would be el’gible to not more than SO hospital which is five to eight mile* days in a year, and those who work aw ay. on the surface will get a little less. Therefore, at least a minimum of one Then, there are some provision* month for these underground miners about courts of inquiry, about delega­ Is quite reasonable to expect due to tion of powers to the Inspectors by the conditions in which they wore. the Chief Inspector of Mines etc. W e 4043 ****** AGRAHAYANA 17,1881 (SAKA) (Amendment) Bill 4044

h »v e been discussing the question of as compared with those of the safety in the mines in the safety con­ managers of the mines, the best talent ference and in various other places. is not at all attracted to this inspec­ Unfortunately, even after these con­ torate of mines. Moreover, we see ferences, the position has not im­ tbe best of the talents working as proved to the desired extent. Since mine managers, agents and general 1954, with the exception of the year managers. This is the strange para­ 1967, we have been seeing disaster dox that we see. I might even go to after disaster. In 1954, we had the the length of saying that there are Newton Chikli disaster when there some self-sacrificing managers who was flooding of the mines due to in­ are manning our public sector. Every­ undation. Then, in 1955, we had the day, they are in demand by the pri­ Amlabad explosion. In 1958, we had vate sector who promise them twice the most horrifying disaster, namely as much salary as they are drawing the Chinakuri disaster. Courts of today. In some cases, it ranges up to inquiry have been constituted. I was even Rs. 7000 per month. But these very happy when this was announced. managers have refused to go and I happened to be a participant in w ork in the private sector, and are them m the sense that I took a very working in the public sector. So tnere lively interest at least in two courts of are amongst our people patriots who inquiry. But I was very much dis­ want our mines to develop on a very appointed at the w ay the whole in- big scale. But how is it that the ouiry was conducted. Nowhere did I Inspectorate of Mines does not attract find any desire on the part of the the best talent in our country? This Chief Inspector of Mines or others is a thing which we should seriously to bring to bear the research aspect go into. I do not know how the w hole uoon the inquiry; that was absolutely thing w ill be rectified, but this is the absent. On the other hand, what I serious position in which our country found was that the manager became stands today. Until and unless you almost like a criminal, and they improve the standard of the inspec­ began to prosecute him, the depart­ torate staff, you are not going to ment of the Chief Inspector of Mines decrease or reduce the incidence of acting like a police prosecutor. Of accidents in the mines. course, I do say that whosoever is As regards the cancellation of cer­ responsible for the accident should tificate, I do understand that the delay be punished. But in a court of in- causes a sort of harassment. That q u ;ry, the research aspect which is why the question of the suspension should have been there was absolu­ of the certificate of a manager, against tely absent Apart from finding out whom a prima facie case exists the causes of the accident, apart due to an accident, is being taken up. from laying the blame on the person In Newton Chikli, for example, there responsible, what was required in was a court of inquiry which sat for these inquiries was a thorough going nearly 9 months or so. It gave its Into the matter, but that was absolu­ findings. It held the manager res­ tely absent. There was no desire ponsible for the accident. Then a either on the part of the Chief Ins­ second court of inquiry was auoointed pector of Mines or his inspectorate to to go into the question of the can­ look into the matter in that fashion. cellation or suspension of the certi­ ficate of the mine manager. It came So far as the present inspectorate to the finding— it was a majority fin­ Is concerned, except one or two ins­ ding—that the manager was nowhere pectors here and there, nobody else responsible, and only the surveyor commands any respect from the was responsible for not keeping the managers or the workers or the trade plan. Therefore, he had been let off. anion organisation, for that matter. W h at is happening? Prosecution This Is a very unfortunate posi­ is being launched Against him now tion. One of the reasons is that owing on the basis of the first inquiry. to the low salaries which are offered Could we not do away with this dual 4fc»43 Mbits

[Shri T. B. Vittal Rao] have progressive mine-owners gJjM. inquiry? When one court of inquiry The mine managers are made • sca­ presided over by an eminent Judge pegoat by these greedy mios-ownertt and assisted by a mining engineer They have been able to get over tttV bas held that he is responsible we provision by which they are also made have a second court of inquiry to responsible for some things. I am ■which was referred the question of placing these things here because of cancellation of the certificate and the dissatisfaction among the mini which comes to the conclusion that managers. On the one side there is the manager is not responsible. In the worker; on the other side, the the second inqniry also, they had Chief Inspector of M’nes. On the associated with them one of the beat third side, there are .the trade union mining engineers. When I finally organisations. I firmly believe that if asked Government whether they our mines have to develop and pro­ would withdraw the prosecution gress. that will depend upon two launched against him on th? basis of people— the workers, that is, the the first inquiry, they said ‘no’. I do skilled labour force and the managers. not know how these things happen. I To allay their fears something was always of the opinion :hat there should be done. How many mine- should not have been two courts of owners have been prosecuted so far? inquiry. This matter of the suspen­ I have not come across a s ngle inst­ sion or cancellation of the certificate ance. On the other hand, the should have been referred to the managers are being harassed on all first court of inquiry which inquired sides. into the causes of the accident. All these things were thoroughly discussed in our conference cn safety Now the scale of punish wnt has measures and thought that all these been increased probably in the hope 1 things would be taken into conside­ that it w ill act as a deterrent to the ration and a comprehensive amend­ mine-owners and will thereby ensure ment of the Mines Act would be proper safety measures in the mines. undertaken. I submit with a1! humi­ This is what we all desire. I have no lity that the Government have not sympathy with some of the mana­ taken this matter with the serious­ gers. ’Hjere are some managers who ness that it deserves. We are think­ are just appointed by the mine- ing of a Third Five Year Plan. It is owners. They do not take part in going to give far greater importance the administration or working to the development of minerals which of the mine. Because there is the are going to play a leading lole. As Act, they are appointed. They are such, a comprehensive Mines Act is there only to sign certain fo^ms which very essential. are sent to Government. This is the position in some mines. The There is one very Important aspect owners are all in all. Thcr-’ has been and that is that there is no training a persistent demand that this profes­ before a worker is sent underground sion of mine managers shou'd be na­ —not even a preliminary training. tionalised and that the Government That some orovision could hare been should take them over and appoint made so that no worker could be them and rend them to the mines and sent underground unless he bad they should be held responsible for the undergone tra'ning for a few months proper work'ng. They should be res­ or even a fortnight Todav he is just ponsible to the Government and not recruited and sent in. H e does not be left to their fate under the greedy know what precautions he should mine owners. In our country, there take. .You will find that the inci­ are two sets of people. We have got dence of fiital accidents in which the greedy mine-owners like the owners workers are involved is th« highest of the mica mines in Gudur or the coal among such people. This wa? one of mines in Bihar. At the same time w* the important flllng* which the c m - 4047 A Q R A H A Y A N A J7,1B31 (.SAKA) (Amendment) Bill 404 tereace discussed. It made a recom - certificate to the effect that such and w»nn

(Sh ri T. B. Vittal Rao] be expedited and that Government has happened to that recommenda­ will expedite the promulgation ot the tion? -rules. I do not know whether the Gov­ I shall refer to a very important ernment will accept all my amend­ aspect before 1 conclude. It is about ments. At least ii they accept a few the question of worker-inspectors. In of them it will go a long way to some countries, there are worker-ins- benefit the workers and also it will pectore elected by the workers and be taken as an earnest of the Gov­ they go and inspect the mines and ernment’s intentions to improve th* submit a report. Their report has working and living conditions of th* got the same force as the report of miners in India. the Government Inspector. In this amending Bill, a provision to that Shri Anrobindo Ghosal: Mr. Chair­ effect could have been brought in. man, Sir, I welcome the Mines Probably, the Government thinks (Amendment) Bill with mixed feel­ that the trade-union organisation ings, because, though there are cer­ ratio in the coal mines and in other tain provisions for improving the mines also is very low. It is only conditions of the workers, still, this 25 per cent. Therefore, they might is not a comprehensive legislation in­ not consider this question. But I say corporating all the points which were that trade union organisation ratio in discussed in the sub-committees and the coal mines is very low due to also in the Safety in Mines Con­ several reasons; due to the backward­ ference. ness of the workers, and due to cer­ tain other factors which come to play. Regarding the amendment of the I do not want to enumerate them penal clauses which have been made here. But this should have been th* more severe and deterrent, our ex­ proper time to have brought in such perience has been that there is al­ a legislation and incorporating the ways a provision for fine in lieu of provision for worker-inspectors in this imprisonment and invariably when Bill. the cases go to the magistrate’s court, they get the punishment of fine ins­ You will be surprised to know tead of imprisonment Not only that; that in the Soviet Union, when a even in the case o f fines, very small worker-inspector submits a report amounts are imposed on these persons about any negligence the trade union who violate the various mining committee has got the right to dismiss clauses and regulations. Even the the management. This is what w* hon. Labour Minister said in the in­ were told in the International Con­ formal committee that in 90 per cent ference of Mines. Here, I do not of the cases, the magistrates impose want to ask for such wide powers very small punishments on the per­ when they do not even give powers sons who violate the mining regula­ for others. We may be inexperienced tions. Naturally, w hen you m ake it in technical things, but the workers deterrent or severe, it does not matter could nominate some people who are in the case at those persons who technically qualified. As was pointed violate these provisions, because they out just now, in the Industries Com­ know that only small fines wiQ be mittee, we discussed over and over imposed on than and not imprison­ again and recommended that no Ins­ m ent pector should be appointed as an ins­ pector of mines unless and until he Some provisions have been made has experience of five yean as a to improve the safety measures, but manager in a which hw cot a I regret to And that the Teoosnnwnda- monthly output of 10,000 tons. What tkms which were mad* Jointly 3& th* Mines AGRAHAYANA17,1881 (SAKA) ( Amendm ent ) BUI 405a

Safety in Mines Conference have not Recommendation No. E-8 is been incorporated in this Bill. The important. It says: main recommendations which were “No safety official shall be taken in that conference were taken dismissed unless his case been in the C Group Committee. If you discussed in the Pit Safety Com­ go through these recommendations, mittee.” you will find how important they are. They were also jointly accented by I do not know whether it will be the Governm ent officials, employers incorporated in the mining regulation. and the trade union representatives. Such important clauses should have 'Recommendation No. £-1 is in regard found a place in the body of the legis­ to the definition of agent, which has lation. also been accepted partially in this Bill. Then, Recommendation No. E- Then I come to recommendation No. F 2, which has been referred to 2 says: by my hon. friend, Shri T. B. Vittal "Where the owner himself Rao, which is an important recom­ directly supervises and directs mendation. It says: the work at the mine, he must “Workmen should have the carry direct responsibility for safe right to get the mines inspected operation in every case." by their chosen representatives. Such representatives should be This has been agreed to by all the specifically excluded from dealing parties present there. with the matters relating to wages, labour disputes etc.” ‘Recommendation No. E-3 says. This point was discussed at length “The Mines Act should clearly and it was agreed by all parties con­ provide that all instructions re­ cerned that some such provision garding technical matters (even should be made in our legislation to by an owner or an agent) should inspect the mines. That should also be routed through the manager”. be incorporated in the Bill to increase the safety consciousness among th« That was also agreed to jointly. workers. That has not been done.

Recommendation No. E-4 says: Then I come to recommendation No. F. 4, which relates to the Safety ‘To enable the manager to Committee. There was no difference devote more attention to safety of opinion regarding the composition matters, the non-technical obliga­ of the safety committee in the mines. tions relating to the building of It was recommended unanimously Canteens, creches, etc... .should that in most of the mines the safety be taken away from the mana­ committee should be constituted, g e r . . . . ”. composed of the employers’ and workers’ representatives, so that if That has also not been incorporated any violation letter is received by in this Bill. them, they could make enquiries into those complaints. This is an impor­ Recommendation No. E-5 says: tant thing, and that has also not “The status of surveyors and been incorporated in this Bill. other supervisory officials should Then, recommendation No. HB 2 Is be improved commensurate with an important one, and that is regard­ their responsibilities and duties.” ing the possibility of appointing In regard to that also, no provision special mining courts. It reads: has been made in this amending "The possibility of appointing Bill. Specially Mining Courts should 4053 O R O W B S l 8,1980 (Amendment) BtU

[S h ri Anrobindo GhbaaL] be explored to ensure that due Then I would like to mention An­ important is given to infringe­ other point, which has already been ments of safety laws and that for referred to by Shri Vittal Rao, r»* proved contraventions the Carding dual enquiry. This dual penalty awarded is sufficient to enquiry is not a good thing. Suppose act as a deterrent** one court which holds the enquiry i* of the view that the man is at fault* but the next court holds that the I believe that instead of having man is not at fault, there is a con­ deterrent penal clauses it would be tradiction between the two judgments. much more advantageous if we have In order to obviate this difficulty, it magistrate’s courts which will try is better that the first court should m ining violation cases. For that p u r­ be given authority to judge also whe­ pose, gome provision should have been ther the certificate of that mine made in our legislation also. should be cancelled or not, if you like you may make a provision for Then there is recommendation No. an appeal. Instead of providing for H B 10, which reads: two courts for the self-same thing where contradictions may arise, it is better to provide a clause for appeal •Holding of enquiries by police against any other order made in au'horities into mine accident the enquiry. should be prevented to obviate undue harassment to mine mana­ When the Safety of Mines Confer­ gements and workers." ence was convened, it was thought with all seriousness that when the next Mines Amendment Bill comes, all It was agreed that the law should the recommendations which were providfc th^t no Manager should be considered and accepted in that Con­ arrested and removed by the police ference would be taken up and in­ until the owner had been given suffi­ corporated in it. But, to our utter cient time to post a substitute. That surprise, we find that most of the was already agreed to and accepted recommendations which are salutary in that conference, but no such pro­ both to the w orkers and also to the vision has been made in this amend­ Government have not been taken up, ing Bill. but have been by-passed. Naturally, I would request the hon. Minister to set up a Joint Committee and send I now come to recommendation No. the B ill to that Committee to consider M, which reads: about the recommendations of tho Safety of Mines Conference and also “A medical inspectorate should the recommendations of the other be set up early, witlrn the Minos tribunals and awards which have; Department, to undertake regular been made, and give us a comprq/ industrial hygiene surveys in hensive legislation in mines. mining areas.” Shri A. C. O u lu : Mr. Chaipaan, this Bill contains two sets of provi­ In this Bill provision has been made sions. O ne set is m eant to p r o v id e to maintain first aid boxes. Mines more safety measures. Anot)(fcr set of with a capacity of 150 men will be provisions is intended to put in some bound to maintain first aid boxes. penal clauses. As tar as the saJety From that point of view, in order to measures are concerned, 1 do not have more safety for the workers, think there would be anybody in this this recommendation should hxve House to take exception to th* pro­ M en Accepted. vision at all posdbl* measures tor 4 0 * 5 * **** AGHAHAYANA17,1081 {SAKA) (Amendment ) Bill 4356

the safety of workers. Mining is a The main difficulty in this respect w «*y difficult and risky Job. There is the lacK of proper working of the Is always inherent in it an element Mines Department of the Ministry of of risk. Special care should be Labour and Employment. This Has taken to see that the element of risk also been mentioned by. my hon. Is eliminated as far as possible. But, friend Shri Vittal Rao. The lapses that, of course, has to be done consis­ committee by the Mines Depar ment tent with the interests of national may lead to certain things for which economy. the Department may be eager to shift the responsibility on to the I think most of the workers, about managers or the management of the 80 per cent or more of the workers, mines. Some of the provisions, as who are engaged in mining work in they appear in the Bill, would leave India are engaged in coal mines. I an impression that the Ministry has am not sure about the figures; but I drafted the Bill with a sort of fear think it would not be less than 80 complex. There have been public per cent of the mine workers. That criticisms about some recent accidents, is the biggest mining industry of our and so the Mines Department is country. I think it will not be irre­ naturally anxious to see that no res­ levant for me to make a special re­ ponsibility attaches to itself, but that ference to the coal industry, as far as the responsibility of working the the provisions of this Bill go. mines properly is shifted on to the management of the mines. I think Production of coal ig the concern that w ou ld not be a correct approach. of another Ministry. But, the enforce­ A s has been m entioned b y all the ment of the security measures is the three previous speakers, the recruit­ responsibility of the Labour Ministry. ment of inspectors in the Mines De­ This Bill should have the approval of partment is not properly done. There both the Ministries. I am not sure has been a Jong-standing recommen­ whether the consent of the Ministry dation that an inspector should of Steel, Mines and Fuel, which is be recruited only after having responsible for the production of an experience of five years as a minerals, particularly, coal, has been mines manager. That has not been obtained and whether ail their sug­ implemented and inexperienced men gestions have been incorporated in are recruited. This Bill have this Biil and they have approved the several provision? which would give Bill as far as the measures, parti­ a junior inspector immense power cularly the penal provisions, are con- over the mines manager, an experi­ cern-ed. It is admitted that in working enced mines manager, a very senior a mine, two sots of people are the mines manager with all the technical m ost im portant: that is, the miners, qualifications. And if the mines the actual workers, and the managers. manafier cannot keep the inspector The managers are technical p“onle pleased, the latter can puf the mines and the mine workers are the skilled manager into difficulty whenever he and unskilled labour who actually do lik es to do so. the mining work. I w ou ld particularly d raw your This Bill has made some drastic attention to clause 40 of the Bill provisions in respect of managers under which several new sec'ions like and I am glad that certain amend­ 72A, 72B, 72C etc. are proposed. The ments have been given notice of by w ording in 72A is: “W hoever contra­ the Government to soften some of venes any provision of any regulation fihose provisions; yet, there are some Or any bye-law or of any order made other provisions which, I think, will thereunder . • Similarly, in 72B, make the position of the managers the wording is: "Whoever continues somewhat difficult in working the to work a mine m contravention of IHIM any order issued under - - *nd 4057 Mines DECEMBER. 8, 1958 (Amendment) B ill 405S

[S hri A. C. Guha]

u nder 72C, it is: “W hoever contra­ industrial products will cost mar* than at present. venes any provision of this Act or of any regulation, rule or bye-law . . I am afraid this Bill may have some The number of these regulations, adverse effect on the total raising of rules, bye-laws and orders would run coal and also the per man-shift rais­ into, I think, several hundreds. And ing of coal; I am not so sure of its I would challenge any manager to say effect on the other mines, but in the that he has been running his mine without violating any of these. Almost case of coal, I am afraid this may be the result. The price of coal also may every day some of these are violated. go up due to these restrictions. They may be of a very minor nature. If they are of a serious na ure, then There are several provisions in this of course some disaster may happen. Bill which would make it very hard But now, if a junior inspector is for the managers, particularly the somehow unhappy with a mines provision in the proposed sections manager, for any small violation of 72A, 72B, 72C and 72D. which provide any of these rules, regulations, bye- for compulsory imprisonment which laws and orders, he can put the mines may extend to two years. No option manager into trouble. The manager is left to the court to award anything then runs the risk of imprisonment. less than imprisonment even in the I think that would not lead to the case of minor offences, because the healthy working of the mines. language here is categorical:

Already in our country the man­ “shall be punishable with shift output of coal is very much imprisonment for a term which below the standard of other countries. may extend to two years”. It is on'y about 0-41 ton, whereas in other countries, i*. is about four times Further, it is not m erely im prison­ this. I think in U K it is 1’ 38 tons, in ment but also fine. This may scare Germany 135 tons, in Belgium 121 away our young men from going in tons, in U.S.A. it is 1'66 tons and so for mining engineering. If they go in on. But in our country, it is only for civil engineering or electrical O'41 ton per man-shift production. If engineering or other types of engineer­ ■we make the working of the mines ing, they would not have to run the more and more difficult, then the pro­ risk of these penal provisions, of duction in the mines per man-shift being imprisoned even for a little will still go down. Already, our target infringement of the rules and regula­ for the Second Five Year Plan has not tions. And why should they go in for been fulfilled, and I am afraid, may mining engineering? I think the pay- not be fulfilled; I am afraid 60 million scales in the mines are not also so tons of coal will not be raised by the attractive as to draw the better types end of next year. The Third Five of young men, in spite of these penal Year Plan puts the target at 110 provisions. That is a point which the million tons or something like that Ministry should take into considera­ So, I would submit that the working tion. of the mines should not be made so difficult as to make the raising of the Then, the cancellation of the certi­ minerals, particularly, of coal, diffi­ ficate of a manager on the report of a cult. Coal is a basic material for all Junior inspector is also a very high­ industry. If coal is not in handed provision. Cancellation 04 the sufficient quantities, according to the certificate of a manager who has got requirements of the nation, or if the the certificate after finishing an cost of raising coal goes on rising, academic course, and who might hare that would mean a handicap for the worked for several years, should not expansion of industry, and all the be left to be dealt with so tightly. 4 0 5 9 Mine* A G R A H A Y A N A 17,1881 ( SAKA) (Amendment) Bill 4 0 6 0

The hon. Minister has objected to sarily increase the cost of the referring this Bill to a Select Com- minerals, particularly of coal. From mit.ee. He has mentioned that he had this point of view, I suggest that the discussed the provisions of this Bill in hon. Minister may consider the ques­ the informal consultative committee. tion of sending the Bill to a Select I am not a member of the informal Committee. I can assure him that the consultative committee of the Labour Members will fully co-operate. Ministry, but still 1 was invited. I There is no intention of delaying the attended its meeting on one day; and Bill unnecessarily. If the Bill had we discussed just one clause. That been introduced earlier, I think by this also, at least according to my impres­ time the Select Commi.tee discussions sion, was not finally decided upon. might have been over. But I suggest The next day, I was busy in the House that he may still consider the pro­ with some work, and, therefore, 1 posal. could not attend. Those were the only two sittings of the informal consulta­ Shri Surendranath Dwlvedj (Ken- tive committee which I think were held on this Bill. I do not think that drapara): I welcome this measure. It that can be a proper substitute for a is a much-desired piece oI legislation. I am not very much enthusiastic about Select Committee. I still feel that the B ill should be sent to a Select Com ­ the proposal for reference of this Bill mittee. Nothing would be lost by that. to the Select Committee only for this If the Bill is delayed by about two or reason that I feel that this Bill is very three months, I do not think any limited in scope and not much can be serious damage would be done to the achieved by such a reference. It will mining industry or to the miners. If only delay the passage of the Bill. any financial provisions to the benefit of the miners are in the Bill, the But I have a feeling that the Minis­ Se'ect Committee can see to it that try did not give serious thought to the retrospective effect is given to those labour problem in mining, as it should provisions so that the miners may not have. I was expecting that a more lose anything on that score. As far comprehensive Bill from all points of the other provisions, I think it is view, taking into account the experi­ better that the Bill be considered by ence of the working of mines for the a Select Committee. last several years, would be brought before the House and we would have a thorough discussion on it, because, My submission is that no industry as w e see, about 7 lakhs of workers can be run without the co-opera*ion are engaged in this industry which is o f the managers and also, to a certain one of our key industries, on the extent, of the owners. If the mining development of which much of our industry is nationalised, it is quite progress in the Third Five Year Plan well and good, I would lend my sup­ depends. What does our experience port to such a proposal. But if private show? If we look to the reports of the ownership is retained, the private Chief Inspector of Mines, we will see owner must also be given a fair deal. that in many cases there had been I think some provisions of this Bill gross violations even of the existing cut into their natural expectations Act I heard a plea made by some from a democratic Government, from hon. Members regarding the private a Government based on the ideal of owners. They want to appeal to the welfare. But my main point is that House and say that after all it is a consideration should be given to the democratic Government and they have point of view of the managers. They to play their part and they should be should be given a sense of security shown some consideration. Only and the provisions of the Bill should because of that consideration, the hon. not be made so difficult as to deter the Minister is probably thinking of progress at the mining industry or the changing some sections which were production of minerals or unneces­ not provided in the Bill. What do we 4 0 6 i Mings DKCEHIBXR B, UMU (Amsndmsnt) JliU 40 62

[S h d Suren dr axiath D w iv e d y ] Had? If we see the report of the the conditions in them private Chief Inspector of Mines— I am refer­ mines T U any hoot Memhar happeaa ring to the last report, published In to go to the mines especially owned 1958— we find that there had been 171 by the private owners, he will see iha prosecutions for non-appointment of miserable conditions of the workers managers under section 69. Even and the way they are not given ev«n prosecutions for other violations are the ordinary necessities. increasing. In 1955 the number was SOI but in 1958, it is 343. What about housing? I want to refer again to the Chief Inspector'* Shrimatf Ha Palchondhori: What report. He says in his report: kind of violations? “There was little response from the owners to the subsidy Shri Snrendranath Dwivedy: Vari- scheme of the fund for the con­ ious kinds. All types of violations. struction of houses lor the I have already mentioned about the miners.*’ non-appointment of managers. I will just cite one instance. There is a Shrimati Ha Palchondhnri: Is not colliery called the Villiers in Orissa. labour housing a concomitant to For the last so many years, wc have miners? Is it not the same as plan­ raised this question again and again tations? in this House about this colliery. The owner of that colliery did not imple­ Shri Snrendranath Dwivedy: For ment the decisions of the industrial housing labourers there are several tribunal; did not give wages o the 1 other sources from which money is labourers and did not follow the available. There is a particular fund ru’es regarding safety and other here for which the mine owners are things. Ultimately, it was a problem obliged to give a certain contribution for the Ministry of Labour. A'] of us for solving the housing problem of were trying to settle this issue as to the mine workers. The report says how this particular proprietor could that they are not coming forward, be made to pay to the labourers there is little response from the their dues. We proposed to the owners. Labour Ministry that this mine should be taken over but the Minis­ Therefore, what I feel is that tins try of Labour came forward and B ill is very limited in its scope. O f expressed their helplessness .saving course, it improves upon the previous that it was not within their powrrs position, there is no doubt about it. to do so and that 'it would depend Regarding safety measures, as many upon some other Ministry. I thought hon. Members h«vc said— I quite that there would be provision in this agree, there can be no disagreement— B ill to punish such owners w ho that we should provide as much deliberately violate the rules, mis­ safety as possible to the workers who behave and exploit the workers or to work underground. But when we take over such mines. If as a result find that there has been a gradual of that, the private owner says that increase in the number of workers, he cannot run the mines, it is well both men and women, in this indus­ and good for the country, if the try, it is but proper that at this time mining industry is nationalised on when we expect a bigger Third Plan account of the failure of the' owners. w e should m ake it foolproof so that The country will never excuse those the workers can work in these mines peoole if they do not want to pro­ in a better atmosphere and put their perly exploit these mines and run heart to the w ork . That is the real this basic industry of ours in favour problem, r agree when it is said Hurt otf our national economy. What are workers «s well as managers m 4063 ***« A G R A H A Y A N A 17.1881 ( SAKA ) (Amendment) BiU 4064

Assets. There Is no dispute about it. accepted by the House. The BUI But the ordinary normal rights and was passed and even years have privileges o f the workers must be passed. I was surprised to hear 3hn given to them it we really want Vittal Rao mentioning that even that they should really put iheir some regulations have not yet been heart into the work. promulgated. That is how the Ministry is acting to see that the I do not accuse the owners as much provisions of this Bill are proper­ as I do the Ministry. I feel that ly implemented. That is w hy I we have taken up this matter very w as thinking— it is not a question lightly. I have no doubt about the of a Joint Committee— that this legis­ sincerity and intentions of the hon. lation should be comprehensive in Minister, but I feel that his sincerity nature. So far as that aspect is con* and intentions are of no value d in cemed, I say this measure has failed the Bill that we have before us you in its purpose and I do not think, do not provide stringent measures to although there is some improvement, see that the defaulting owners and this B ill is going to create conditions proprietors of mines do not go accor­ in which the miners in our country ding to their sweet will, misbehave will be encouraged to work hard. and exploit the workers. Shri S. C. Samanta: Mr. Chairman, That is the only point, Sir, to Sir, I am thankful to the hon. Minis­ which 1 wanted to draw the atten­ ter for his having contacted the per­ tion of the hon. Minister. Why have sons concerned with the mines, and we another Mines Act? It is because for having changed sections 13 and 40 w e all accept the fact that there is a of the Bill. It is for this purpose that difference between the workers who We wanted a reference of the Bill to work in the mines and the workers the Select Committee. Still, I hold who work in different factories. We that other points are there for which do not think, of course, that the this B ill should be referred to a Factory Act itself can be extended as Select Committee. it is to the miners. That is why w e have a separate Act. Therefore, it is The hon. Minister has said that for not only that w e should try be pro* the regulation of labour and for the vide in the Mines Act w hafever is safety of mines, this Act is being there in the Factories Act, but the amended. It is true that in a hazar­ Mines Act, I would say, should be dous thing like mining, it is essen­ such as would give the miners more tial that we should take great care to than what is rovided in the Factories see that accidents become very ^mall Act. It should be more liberal in in number. The number of accidents nature. Seven years have passed. that have been referred to by my What have we done? In 1952, when hon. friend Shrimati Ila Palchoudhuri this legislation was passed in the has been taken from the report of the lame-duck session of the Provisional Chief Inspector of Mines for the Parliament, Members raised this period from 1952 to 1956. From objection and asked the Minister why the report, we come to such an important Bill was being know that these accidents happen brought then. Then the Minister had mostly On account of misadventure. to say: "I am sorry this has not been If that is the case, if Government brought to the House before”. Thtn begins to tighten the department or he also agreed that the provisions the agents, or owners, etc., will they made in that particular Act, which be successful? we are amending now, were not quite satisfactory but because there In this connection, I w ould submit kad been some agreement be only that the most essential thing to be wanted those agreed proposals to be done is the training of workers. In 4065 Minst DECEMBER 8, 1909 (Amendment) B ill j c t t

[S h ri S. C. Samanta] the Bill I find to my surprise that at all times be true. We must hear there is only one mention about train­ from them also, because they are the ing, and that is, there should be some fuadamental people who run the rules to that effect Why not those mines and not the owners. provisions come in the body of the Bill? If we are very eager to avoid Sir, zamindarl has gone, but I am accidents in mines, we must realise amazed that in mining still there are w ho la the prey to these accidonts, the owner, the agent and the .nana- and they should be given proper ger. The manager is always responsi­ training. For want of training we ble, because he is the real key xuan, are going to increase the punishment! the technical man. If you nationalise We are going to increase the oeriod the mines, you will want these mana­ of incarceration and the punishment. gers to serve you. So, you must give I am not against it. You may do as them protection. Managers are no­ you want for tightening up these thing but the ‘hand puppets’ of the men. But, at the same time, those owners. I was put as an assessor in who are the victims of these acci­ an enquiry regarding the Barradhemo dents, should be trained. If they are colliery. There we found that the trained properly, such accidents will owner was responsible, but tht be less. In that aspect, I find that manager came forward and said, “I the Bill has not given so much am responsible”. This ease is still thought, and for that reason only, I hanging on, whether the certificate would request the hon. Minister to should be disallowed or not Th'?se refer the Bill to a Select Committee. are the play things of the owners and the agents. Why should there De The workers who are mining under­ agents? Why so many intermediaries ground have to gain an experience of for running the mines? Let there be eight or ten months just to know a owner and let there be workers. The what is what. Why not you, from manager, who is the key man, should the Government side, make arrange­ be given free right to utilise the ments for training? Or, why not workers for the benefit of the mines make it compulsory for the manage­ and for the benefit of the country. If ment, the owners and the agents to the managers are given free hold, they make arrangements for training? I can work wonder* would have been glad if that were done. Instead of punishment, this 17 hra. sort of thing should have been provid­ ed at their cost. This is a v ery neces­ From the genera] point of view, sary thing to which I would attract miners do not intentionally act in such the attention of the hon. Minister. • way that accidents happen. Gene­ rally due to ignorance, they do such Tripartite conferences have been things and so much loss is caused not held twice for safety. I think from to the owners alone, but to the whole outside real representations have not country. We are having a scheme for been made. All parties have not production of coal that for every been heard. They said what they had successive Five Year Plan we must said, but the decision had been produce more. If we want to produce taken otherwise. It is for this rea­ more, we must give proper encourage­ son that I want this Bill to be referred ment to the workers. They must also to a Select Committee. Not only the be given training. Before a worker owners, agents and managers but the goes underground he should know workers should be heard by the Com­ what a mine is, what are Us duties mittee. It may be that what the re- and what are the difficulties. If they preaentatives of the labourers put be­ are alert, I think they will catch the fore the tripartite conference may not m anager, or the agent or the ow ner 40ff7 M ine* A G R A H A Y A N A 17,1881 {SAKA) ( Am endm ent ) BIB 4068

lo r the causes of these accidents. So, Committee, as desired by the hon. I would request the hon. Minister to Members. Now I am repeating reconsider the question of referring the offer that tomorrow morning this BiU to the Select Committee, so at 9 o’Clock we are preparted to (hat improvements can be made in meet members of both this House the Bill. If the hon. Minister is not and the Rajya Sabha, who are able to accept it, I would request interested in our going over the him at least to bring in such a provi­ ground again also, later on, b e ­ sion in the body of the Bill for the cause very probably this Bill will not training of workers. With these be passed tomorrow. That discussion words, I request the hon. Minister to will be equally effective and fruitful, accept our suggestions. if not more. It will be in room No. 2, the room of the Labour Minister. If Dr. Melkote (Raichur): I consider you allow it, this information may that the Government have done * also be conveyed through the bulle­ good thing. . . . tins of both the Houses.

Mr Chairman: Is it a meeting? Mr. Chairman: The hon. Member night continue his speech tomorrow. Shri Nanda: It would be an infor­ mal meeting of all those members Shri Nanda: If you would permit who are interested in the Bill. me, 1 would like to say someth ng which has some bearing on the pro­ Shri B. Das Gupta (GuruHa): That posal for referecne of the Bill to the does not do away with the necess.ty Select Committee. If I had thought of the Select Committee. that there w as any need for such a Shri Nanda: If after that meeting thing, I would have agreed to it im ­ it is felt that there is need for a Select mediately. In any case, if the House Committee, we can consider it We wants it, I will certainly agree to it. cannot now afford to wait for another But I want to explain one thing. The two-three months when I find there reason given is that the Select Com ­ is already considerable unrest. We mittee may enable certain new D rovi- must remember that it will not be a tions to be introduced. I do not think question of a few days but some that is possible because we are months. amending certain clauses only. For bringing in new clauses 1 think w e 17.05 hrs. have to wait for a longer period when a comprehensive Bill can be brought The Lok Sabha then adjourned till forward. Therefore, we would be Eleven of the Clock on Wednesday, best wasting two or three months if December 9, 1959/A grahay ana 18, we were to refer this to the Select 1881 (Saka). DAIL Y WSM * 8 4 W "

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ORAL ANSWERS TO WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS • 3847— 83 QUESTIONS— eontd. S.Q. Subject CoLtm w s No. S.Q. Subject COUOTOM 657. Conversion of super- No. con itellations as pas- senger-cargo planes 3847 51 684. Output of B.C.G. <>J8. Sugarcane cultivation vaccine and Tuberculin 389i-9» in Orissa 3851 53 685. Mob-atts.cks on Rail­ 659. RtoLcement ofDakotas way 3891-93 by L.A.C. 3853— 56 686. Widening of roads in •660. Development of Hindu- New Delhi 3893-94 sthan Shipyard 3856— 58 687. Mata Tila Power Project 3894 •661. Jammu- Srinagar Road ■ 3858— 65 688 . Alarm-chain pulling 662. Roorke-Badrinath Road 3865-68 on Railways 3894-95 <63. Theft of Government files 3868 --70 689. Booking between Palexa 665. Change in the course G'lat and Mahendru of Vamuna River 3870 Gtat 3*95 690. Injcrim General Plan 666. Raj; schans Canal 3870— 73 of Deli 3*?5 667. Colliery siding from R 1m igundam to Goda­ 691. Konar Dam (D.V.C.) - 3896 vari Khani 3873-74 69a. Supply of fooigrains 668. Annual Session of in Himachal Pradesh . 3896 F.A.O. 3874— 77 . Transport of road Snuggling of wheat 693 669. material to steel plants 3856-97 and sugar from Delhi . 3 8 77-79 694. GanJak Project ■ 670. Production of small 3897 turbines 387)-80 695. Licence fee on cheap 671. Machkund Project 3881— 83 raJioscts 3897- 9* 672. Post Office Savings 696. Lighthouse Workshop, Account, of Gram Calcutta 3898 Pnchayats 3883-84 WRITTEN ANSWERS TO U ^ .Q . QUESTIONS • 3884— 3946 No. S.Q. 1066. Electrification of stations N o . ot N. Railway 3*98-99 664. Private Forests Act, Ex fort of wheat from Himachal Pradesh 3884 1067. Himachal Pradesh 3899 673. Kalinga Airlines 3885 1068 . Ayurvcdic and Unani 674. Nw-w penicillin 3885-86 Text books 3*99-3900 £75. M tiical Colleges in 1069. Akbarpur Tanda Rail Himachal Pradesh 3886 Link 3900-01 676. Police Van Train col- 1070. Sinking of cargo ves­ Uiion 3886-87 sels near Saurashtra 3901 ■677. Detention of Godavari 1071. Construction of Brahma­ Valley Express 3887 putra Bridge 39 0 1-0 2 .678. Thermal Station at 1072. Development of fishe­ Cambay 3887-88 ries in Punjab 3902-03 <79. Stabbing in train near 1073. Animal husbandry and Itarsi 3888-89 milk supply schemes in <80. Train accident averted . 3889 Punjab 3903-04 681. Bridge o"> the Brahma­ 1074. Forest development putra at Pandu 3889-90 in Himachal Pradesh . 3904 48 a. Detention of train by 1075- Japanese method of students 3*90 paddy cultivation 3904-05 683. Gang? barrage 3891 IO 76. Ayurveda in Delhi 3905-0* [ D a h .* O n a r t ] 407* 4072

WRITTEN ANSWERS TO WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS—contd. Q U E S T IO N S — contd. U.S.Q. Subject U.S.Q. Subject C o l u m n s Ho. No. 1077. Rohtak-Bhiwani Rail­ way Line 3906-07 1106. Vallabhbhai Patel 1078. Hospitals in Districts . 3907 Chest Institute 3925 1079. Ayurveda 3908 1107. Consumption of various 1080. Second bridge on the types of food in States . 3925-26 Yamuna 3908-09 1108. Fisheries of Kerala State 108 r. Railway delegation to 3926 Australia 3909 1109. Railways schools 3926-27 1082. Extra-departmental' 1110. Arrears of payment on staff of P St T. 3909-10 S. E. Railway 3927 1083. New Road Bridge near m i . Fair price; shops in Sankrail 3910 Kerala 3927-28 1084. Wagon repair work­ 1112. P. & T. Employees, shop, S. E. Railway 3910-11 Sambalpur 3928 1085. Prices of essential 1113. Family Planning 3928— 30 commodities 39U-I2 1114. House Building Ad­ 1086. Renaming of roads in vances 3930-31 Delhi 3912-13 1115. Malaria in U.P. 3931-32 1087. Soil erosion and silting 1116. Locomotives 3932 in Himachal Pradesh . 3913-14 1117. P. & T . Employees, 1088. Spurious drugs 3914 Rourkela 3933 1089. Scheduled Castes and 1118. Roads in Agartala Scheduled Tribes Em­ 3933-34 ployees at Cochin Port . 1119. Agartala Post Office 3915 Building 1090. Kathua feeder canal 3934 3915 1120. Goods Trains accidents 1091. Adilabad-Mudkhcd 3934-35 1121. Kosi Co-ordination Railway Line 3915-16 Board 3935 1092. Steel poles for telegraph 1122. Pay Scales of Railway facility schemes . 3916 Teachers 3935-36 . New Telephone Ex­ 1093 . Central Government changes in Jammu and 1123 Hospitals in Delhi Kaihmir State 391*-I7 3936-37 1124. Overbridge at Vijya- 1094. Fishery in Punjab 3917 wada 3937 1095. Telegraph Line bet­ . Cremation ground near ween Kathua and Pa­ 1125 South Vinay Nagar 3937-38 thankot 3918 1096. Report of Finnish Ex­ 1126. Derailment of Katangi- perts on Forest Indus­ Gondia Train . 3938 tries 39I8-X9 1127. Indian Central Cotton 1097. Filaria oortrol pro­ Committee 3938-39 gramme in Kerala 3919 1128. Children run over by 1098. Kosi canals 39*0 train 3939 1099. Sugar Factories 3920-21 1129. Telephone Bills 3940-4* 1 too. Cooperatives in Kerala 3921-22 1130. Kaxipet Railway Sta­ tion n o i. Godown shod* in Hima­ 3941 , Damaged stream near chal Pradesh 3902-23 1131 MasuUpatam 394*-42 1102. I.A.C. toute pattern . 39*3 1132. Allotment of wagons . 3942 . Central Council of 1103 . Refusal of jet training Local Self Govern­ 1133 by A.1.1, pilots ment 3923-24 3942—44 1134. National Harbour 1104. Polo ground, Imphal 39*4 Board 3944 . Per capita consump­ 1105 . Night Airmail tion of fish, meat and 1135 3944 gfpoultry 3924 1136. Railway Time Table 3944-45 2M(Ai) LSD—8 £ StaBur Dm m r 4*73 3 4P74

WRITTEN ANSWERS TO MOTION RB. INCREASE Q U E S T IO N S —-contd. IN ALLOCATION OF TIME TABLE— emtd. U.S.Q, Subject C olu m n s O o u m m No. as reported by the Joint 1137. Nmming of Brahma­ Cumnitiee, be extended putra Bridge 3943 from 5 hours to 7 hours. 1138. Corruption cases on The motion was adopted. S.E. Railway „ 3945-46 1139. P. &. T. building, Jhar- BILLS UNDER CONSI­ gram . 3946 D E R A T IO N . 3950— 4068 ( 1) Further clause-by-dau»c PAPERS LAID ON THE consideration (clause 3) ot T A B L E . 3947 the Dowry Prohibition Bill, as reported by ( 1) A copy of the Report Joint Committee, con­ of the Inland Water tinued. Consideration of Transport Committee. clause 2 was held over. (2) A copy of Notification Clause-by-clause consi­ No. G.S.R. 1309 dated deration was not concluded. the 25th November, 1959, (2) The Minister of Labour under sub-section ( 6) of and Employment - and Section 3 of the Essential Planning (Shri Nanda) ■ Commodities Act, 1955. moved that the Mine* ' ?t (Amendment) Bill, be CALLING ATTENTION TO taken into consideration. MATTER OF URGENT Two amendment* for re­ PUBLIC IMPORTANCE . 3947— 49 ference of the Bill to a Joint Committee and one Shri S. M . Baneriee called amendment for reference the attention of the Minis­ of the Bill to a Select Com­ ter of Railway* to the mittee were moved. explosion on the Amritsar - The discussion was not Pathankot Railway track concluded. on the th November, 29 AGENDA FOR WEDNES­ 1959. DAY, DECEMBER 9. I959/AGRAHAYANA , The Deputy Minister of Rail­ 18 (SA K A )— ways (Shri Shahnawaz 1881 Khan) made a statement Further clau«e-by-ciause in regard thereto. consideration and passing of the Dowry Prohibition MOTION RE. INCREASE Bill, consideration and IN ALLOCATION OF passing of the Mines TIME TO BILL . (Amendment) BiU and 3988 consideration of the motion Shri Raghubir Sahai moved re. Summanv of Proceed­ that the time for considera­ ings of the Sixteenth Ses­ tion and passing of the sion of the Indian Labour Dowry Prohibition Bill, Conference.