Jean Alexander Kemeny First Lady of Dartmouth, Emerita
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Jean Alexander Kemeny First Lady of Dartmouth, Emerita An Interview Conducted by Jane Carroll and Chris Burns Etna, New Hampshire June and July, 1996 November 28, 2000 DOH-32 Special Collections Dartmouth College Hanover, New Hampshire Jean Alexander Kemeny Interview INTERVIEW: Jean Kemeny INTERVIEWED BY: Jane Carroll PLACE: Kemeny home Etna, New Hampshire DATE: June, 1996 KEMENY: ...since John died, I have sort of kept that part of my life here and I have had to start sort of a new life, so I haven't thought about some of these things so I am sure that there will be a lot that I forget or would want to expound on more later. CARROLL: We can see this almost as a chance to just jog your memory about different events. KEMENY: Sure. Sure. CARROLL: Just to get you thinking. What I wanted to start asking you is about your meeting with John Kemeny because I read your book and I was fascinated by this very tumultuous meeting that you had with him. Will you describe it? [Laughter] KEMENY: Well, I went to Smith and I went to a very tiny high school. I mean, my parents were very well educated, but I went to a tiny high school where let's say I didn't get enough French and I didn't get enough "X" and "Y" and "Z", but I did make it to Smith. First person ever to go to Smith, or really an Ivy League/Seven Sisters school and I had had a good friend who was at Smith already. I wasn't going to go to Smith. I wanted to go to something like Northwestern. I needed a city, but I got a scholarship from the Smith Club of Portland, Maine, and so I went to Smith. 2 Jean Alexander Kemeny Interview And I had this very good friend who was very involved with the United World Federalists and I had been involved with the Federalists and my parents had...everybody. Anybody who was right thinking at that time just thought the United Nations should have some power and so I went to Smith. About half way through my freshman year, I belonged to the United World Federalists at Smith and there was the big conference at Princeton and we were to go down and meet with the Princeton men and talk. And so we went in somebody's car...one of my older kids at Hubbard House...girls at Hubbard House...and we went and there were a whole lot of us. Most of us were not used to a big city, so when we went to New York City, we definitely did gawk and look around and dawdle and we got to Princeton Junction, where we were going to meet the Princeton people, and we did not know that we would be put up at professors' houses and it was two or three in the morning and it was awful. We were met by this man who said, "God damn it, Nonie..." [That's my friend.] And the God damn was because how was he going to wake up these poor professors and I thought he was just awful. So I had my eye out on another one, a Princeton senior. This one I realized was an instructor. I mean, he was way, way beyond the first one, who was blond and cute, etc.; but this other man sort of took a shine to me and, by the end of the weekend, I decided he was nice, after all, and then he came up to Smith and back and forth and we were engaged within three or four months. Everybody said, "You are Cinderella." And, in a way, I was because I was nineteen and I had just turned twenty when I got married and we were going to go to Princeton, which was a seat of great learning, and many of his friends were elderly professors. You know, meeting Einstein was a great, rather awe-inspiring occurrence. So that's essentially how I met him. CARROLL: What did your parents think of you marrying at such a young age? KEMENY: Well, I don't think I cared what they thought. [Laughter] I didn't really ask them. It was a fait accompli, I guess. And I think they were fascinated with the idea of living in an academic atmosphere. CARROLL: When I look at you two, you seem to be such opposites. KEMENY: Oh, we are. We were. 3 Jean Alexander Kemeny Interview CARROLL: So what attracted you to him? KEMENY: He was brilliant and funny. He was very funny and, as somebody wrote to me after he died, a girl who dated him...I got the most fascinating letters from people. She said, "He was full of life with the weight of the world on his shoulders." That is an absolutely marvelous statement. It is absolutely true. He just had this vision of doing things and he was unlike any other person I have ever met. I think he had one of the greatest minds. He once, not with humility, said that there are only two people he ever had come in contact with who had better minds than he. One was John von Neuman, who was a fantastic Hungarian mathematician, who was a Renaissance man, an amazing mathematician, worked on the atomic bomb, had a great deal to do with the first computer machine, etc. And Albert Einstein was the other one. Really and truly, John had a fantastic mind and, more importantly, he was an abstract person in that he could do the mathematics that were out there somewhere. At the same time, he was a fantastic administrator, a fantastic teacher, and cried at movies. [Laughter] I am quite serious. He had a big sentimental boyish streak to him. CARROLL: A human side. KEMENY: Oh, yes. Oh, yes. CARROLL: Now, what was Princeton like back at that time. It was what? The '50's? KEMENY: Yeah. It is funny. I see cars of that era now and I think how they look ancient. We lived...Princeton was really considered one of the best universities in the world at that time. Many green spaces. They have since built a great deal of stuff on campus. I was in a funny position. I was married to a man who almost immediately became an assistant professor, so he was no longer an instructor. We still lived in this project, which were old barracks. They are still there. I mean, they literally are still there. This is forty-five, forty-six years since. Yeah. Well, they have held together, sort of, and I would have to dinner two very famous philosophers when I was twenty. 4 Jean Alexander Kemeny Interview How do I want to put this? I just was pulled...not "pulled" because I was interested...but I was immersed into meeting people who are now called "legends". Not just Einstein, but scientists and philosophers and thinkers. It was marvelous for me. By osmosis, I...here I was educated, but... CARROLL: It was your education. KEMENY: Of course. It was. It really was. And I think I learned a hell of a lot. I think I learned more than maybe if I had...I hate to say this...stayed at Smith and got my diploma. CARROLL: I think you are probably right. KEMENY: And that life no longer exists. The great legends, in a way, have disappeared; because, at that time, there were still worlds to conquer, and there are worlds to conquer, but at that time there were enormous abstract, ideas and now things are more specialized and they are little building blocks. I don't know if you understand this. I don't know that I understand this. [Laughter] CARROLL: I think I do. It is very well put. I understand that. We have become so specialized that is it the big picture that is missing. KEMENY: That's right. That's right. At that time, the big picture was constantly being painted. CARROLL: How did you feel, as a twenty-year-old, entertaining these people? Were you at ease with this? KEMENY: Yeah. I can't believe that I was, but I was. Yeah. I get along with people and I don't feel...I should sometimes, I think...but I don't feel stepped on. I don't feel that I don't have something to contribute. I am sure that I said stupid things; but I think I said intelligent things also. And, as soon as you start saying intelligent things, people will treat you as intelligent, which snowballs. No. I really wasn't inhibited. I don't know why. I really don't know why. John always supported me. He was really my backbone. No. That's not quite right. I knew he was there always, which is a wonderful feeling. CARROLL: How did [President John Sloan] Dickey ['29] come to know John Kemeny? 5 Jean Alexander Kemeny Interview KEMENY: Well, he knew him through the fact that his Dean of the Faculty was looking for a person to run the mathematics department. It had sort of fallen down hill. There was nobody really to lead it and so Don [Donald] Morrison, who was a government professor and had been made, at a very young age, thirty-something...was delegated to go out and look--I think it was less delegated than Don Morrison delegated himself. You know, he took the pick and let it be known that he was interested in someone to come up and head this department and make it into a good one.