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My Interview with Bill Schroer launched. That revenue estimate was very optimistic, and I knew it was unrealistic. To even get close to the projected loss I had to make some personnel cuts. I had to terminate December 8, 2014 two people. I regretted having to do it…but the money was By Gary Mussell not there. The head of the PR area, Sue Nerud, and the In October 2014, Bill Schroer was fired as Executive Executive Assistant, Catherine Hendrickson, were both Director of the American Association for Nude Recreation highly paid and non-essential to keeping the organization (AANR) in Kissimmee, Florida, after only five months on the running. Florida is an employment “at-will” state. When I job. Schroer had spent the summer touring the various had to terminate these two employees I did not provide a regional conventions and large clubs making, in the minds reason because of the employment at-will provision here. It of many who met him, a positive first impression allows an employer to terminate an employee at any time for His sudden departure raised speculation as to why the new any or no reason. I knew that would apply to me as well as president, Bev Price, took such a sudden action before she Julie Erlenmeyer is an HR person over at one of the theme had the approval of her Board of Trustees. According to the parks. So when they told me my contract was AANR By-Laws, only the 14 Board of Trustees can hire and terminated….I wasn’t going to give them the satisfaction of fire the Director. telling me there was no reason. Price called an emergency phone meeting of the Trustees “By the way…I think it’s five days after the firing to approve her action, which she important to note that one reason got on a 10-4 vote. I accepted this without resistance Word of the firing rippled across the AANR clubs at the is I believed at the time Bev speed of Twitter, with “WTF” being the most polite reaction Price had had a secret meeting of to what appears to be a very unpopular decision. the Board and had the approval The only thing the Kissimmee main office will say is: “Bill of the board to terminate me. It Schroer is no longer employed by AANR. We wish him was not until later I learned the well.” board had not been informed. Knowing what I know now…I Schroer had only been on the job since May. He was would have asked her to get the AANR’s third Executive Director in three years. approval of the board. Lesson In the wake of so many unanswered questions, Jordan Blum learned for me….to ask if there is board approval. Never (of Young Naturists America) and I interviewed Mr. Schroer occurred to me she would do this on her own.” on December 8, 2014 so he could tell his side of the story. Q. There are rumors you and the staff did not get along, Mr. Blum has published his own report of this interview on that you were working them extra hours without pay on his YNA web site at: http://youngnaturistsamerica.com/bill-schroer-goes-on-the-record-about-aanr/ your projects so they could not get their regular work done. Is there any truth to that? Q. Why did you consent to be interviewed? “I had a terrific relationship with the AANR staff. They were “I wasn’t going to talk much about it until someone wrote upset when I left. My birthday was three days after the false things about me on the Nudist Clubhouse blog, and that firing, and I heard they were planning a cake and small party opened the door up. I felt I had to respond as my reputation for me. This is not the sign of people who were upset with was being disparaged” me. Q. So exactly what happened the day you were fired? “I know the difference between exempt and non-exempt employees, and nobody was asked to stay overtime, nor “I was fired Wednesday, October 15, at 8am. Beverly Price were they working without pay if they stayed overtime. A and Julie Erlenmeyer walked in unannounced. Bev simply few of the Directors are salaried, so maybe they were said, ‘your contract with AANR is cancelled’,” Bill said complaining to Bev, I don’t know. The [Internet rumor] that “OK,” packed up his stuff, and left quietly. Bill did not there was any inappropriateness between me and any staff expect it to happen, but… member is just ridiculous.” Q. Why didn’t you fight the decision that morning, or at Q. We heard that one project in particular, the new least ask why? Just folding your tent and going away email system, was causing a lot of stress in the office and implies you knew it was coming or that you were causing overtime hours. Bev has since abandoned it and accepting being at fault. It just seems uncharacteristic of gone back to the old system. What happened? a person to suddenly be fired and not want to know why. “The old email system was causing lots of problems because “I think some additional background will help clarify why I it relied on us keeping accurate email addresses for every did not pushback on the termination announcement. Since I club and its leaders, and these were constantly changing. had been on the job…even without accurate financial Important emails sent from our office were never reaching reports…I knew we were bleeding money….without going many of the clubs. The idea was to assign a new and into detail, I know budgets, and I knew there had been a permanent email address for each club that would be used projection of increased revenue through membership for AANR email, and each club would use it to send things increases due to the marketing initiative that had been to our office. Lynn [Taylor] was not fully on board with the change, but she and Ashley [Beahan] were working out the “In any case, I could not impose any rating system; the bugs. I am disappointed all that hard work was abandoned.” Board of Trustees would have to do that. The item was on the agenda for the Fall Meeting in Henderson to discuss, so Q. There were rumors of you making unauthorized we were not even close to implementing it.” expenditures. Any truth to that? “I have no idea where that rumor started. I never made any expenditures that were not authorized, since I only submitted mileage and air fare for reimbursement. The only other bill I ever submitted was a restaurant bill from when I went to Haulover to meet with Shirley and Richard Mason and Nancy Tiemann (Bare Necessities Cruises) and her fiancé, and I thought us paying for their dinner was an appropriate business expense given the support both organizations have shown AANR over the years. I told Beverly Price if she thought this was inappropriate then I would pay for it myself. Otherwise, I always paid for everything myself and never billed AANR for anything that was not a legitimate Bill Schroer at Haulover Beach – CFI webcast 09/2014 business expense.” Q. We heard that you were putting the Rating System Q. Tell us your side of the rumors that you were working into the new Club Directory that is due for publication to have the lifestyle resorts rejoin AANR. after the first of the year. That would mean you were by- “I had received many calls from AANR members who were passing the Board to activate the Rating project on your upset that some of our existing clubs were hosting parties in own? the evening that the members considered inappropriate for a “Not true. I was thinking about putting the Ratings into the nudist park. Examples: fetish parties and sexy lingerie new Directory since I was anticipating approval of the plan parties where family members under 18 were not allowed. by the Trustees at the Fall Meeting. We were in the process Since this is the same thing that got Caliente and Paradise of putting together a questionnaire to go out to all the clubs Lakes kicked out of AANR several years ago, I started in anticipation of the Guide update, and Martha [Young] investigating. Rather than lose several more clubs, which said she was supportive of putting the question into the we really could not afford to do, I started investigating the questionnaire, since the guide wouldn’t come out until idea of a rating system to allow clubs to alert its potential almost a year later. If we were going to adopt a rating system members that such activity might go on in the evening. it made sense to have the information in the guide. “Yes, I did visit both Caliente and Paradise Lakes and a third “Then I talked to Vice President Sharon McLeod about this one also - Gulf Coast Resort. I was hoping to better and Sharon advised me not to do it. With that direction I told understand what their behavior policies are. Martha to eliminate the rating question in the questionnaire. “This was part of the research I was doing on the proposed It was a dead issue.” rating system. I wanted to understand how much distance Q. We heard one rumor that two advertisers were there was between a place like Paradise Lakes (where the threatening to pull their money out of AANR if the homeowners association is still part of AANR) and the rating system went through.