Hs2: Winners and Losers”
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BRITISH BROADCASTING CORPORATION RADIO 4 TRANSCRIPT OF “FILE ON 4” – “HS2: WINNERS AND LOSERS” CURRENT AFFAIRS GROUP TRANSMISSION: Tuesday 8th October 2013 2000 - 2040 REPEAT: Sunday 13th October 2013 1700 – 1740 REPORTER: Gerry Northam PRODUCER: Ian Muir-Cochrane EDITOR: David Ross PROGRAMME NUMBER: 13VQ5349LH0 - 1 - THE ATTACHED TRANSCRIPT WAS TYPED FROM A RECORDING AND NOT COPIED FROM AN ORIGINAL SCRIPT. BECAUSE OF THE RISK OF MISHEARING AND THE DIFFICULTY IN SOME CASES OF IDENTIFYING INDIVIDUAL SPEAKERS, THE BBC CANNOT VOUCH FOR ITS COMPLETE ACCURACY. “FILE ON 4” Transmission: Tuesday 8th October 2013 Repeat: Sunday 13th October 2013 Producer: Ian Muir-Cochrane Reporter: Gerry Northam Editor: David Ross ACTUALITY AT EUSTON STATION ANNOUNCER: … platform 4 for the 1143 Virgin Trains service to Birmingham New Street …. NORTHAM: The fast train is about to set off from London Euston to Birmingham. This is the service that HS2 would beat by about 35 minutes. But the tens of billions HS2 would cost and disputes over the projected economic benefits make it the most controversial infrastructure project in the country. ANNOUNCER: This is a customer information announcement …. NORTHAM: After disagreements opened up at the party conferences, HS2 has also become highly political. None of which puts off those promoting the scheme. EXTRACT FROM PROMOTIONAL FILM PRESENTER: Great Britain invented the railways. In 1825 the first public railway opened …. - 2 - NORTHAM: To them, it’s quite literally an engine of economic growth. PRESENTER: We’ll build a new network, connecting cities and businesses across the UK …. NORTHAM: This week File on 4 travels the route planned for the first leg of HS2 to ask who would win and who would lose from it. And we learn that, perversely, even before it’s built, it is already blighting a development proposal promising thousands of jobs in the city that should be first to benefit. ROUSE: It completely kills it dead at the moment, so all of those jobs which we really desperately need in this area, this is the most deprived part of Birmingham, so the need for jobs here is enormous and we need them now. SIGNATURE TUNE ACTUALITY IN CAR, RADIO ON RADIO PRESENTER: … BBC London, 94.9, next update 12.30. NORTHAM: The first place high speed trains would stop once they leave Euston is here, in what is currently a rather rundown area of north west London called Old Oak Common. It’s to the north of Hammersmith hospital and Wormwood Scrubs prison and it’s a tightly-packed maze of ageing industrial units, small offices and a gigantic car auction. This would be the only stop HS2 would make before Birmingham and it would be a transformation of this area. BENNETT: We’re standing looking over the Grand Union Canal as it makes its way westwards out of London. You can probably just hear in the background the Great Western mainline, which we can see in the distance. NORTHAM: Heading off to Bristol? - 3 - BENNETT: And the station would be pretty much the entire extent we can see here. NORTHAM: Neil Bennett is the architect/planner who’s been commissioned to draw up a grand renovation project for Old Oak Common, linking an enormous new station for HS2 with London’s Crossrail, the tube network and main existing rail lines. BENNETT: What HS2 brings is a tremendous amount of accessibility, and the station will give access to 90% of London’s train and rail stations. Now, building on that, it’s very close to central London, we think this’ll make a station the size of Waterloo, so that’s a complete game changer.. NORTHAM: And while great claims are made for the potential of HS2 for cities in the Midlands and the north of England, Neil Bennett believes that the greatest economic revival would be right here in a London borough. BENNETT: The vision for this is to enable growth around here and the economic regeneration probably, we think, on the scale of Canary Wharf with homes, probably about a seventh of London’s new homes for the next fifteen years could be here, and also possibly about 100,000 jobs, probably to do with Heathrow, probably to do with trade and commerce. A flow city is one way we’ve described it. It’s my view that Old Oak and the regeneration it brings is the single biggest positive impact that HS2 will bring. NORTHAM: Bigger than the impact it’s supposed to have on Birmingham or Manchester or Leeds? BENNETT: As a single impact, yes. The transformation, I think, will be immense. NORTHAM: But you don’t have to travel far up the HS2 route to find a succession of areas, mostly solidly Conservative, where there’s a sense not of excitement, but of apprehension. - 4 - ACTUALITY IN CAR NORTHAM: Leaving Greater London and heading north along the HS2 route, I’ve arrived first in Aylesbury and I’ve come here to meet the man who is leading the opposition of a number of local councils along the route to the whole HS2 project. ACTUALITY AT COUNCIL OFFICES NORTHAM: Here we are at Buckinghamshire County Council. TETT: Hi there, good afternoon. NORTHAM: Pleased to meet you. TETT: Pleased to meet you. Follow me down this way. ACTUALITY, WALKING TETT: My name is Martin Tett and I’m the leader of Buckinghamshire County Council and I also chair the 51m alliance of nineteen local authorities who are opposing HS2. NORTHAM: Councillor Tett too sees potential advantage from HS2 to the economy of Greater London. But in his eyes that’s a reason for saying no to the scheme. TETT: Most experts, when they look at the issue of, for example, closing the north/south divide, recognise the fact that when you link cities to a major capital city such as London, what tends to happen is the real benefits are derived by that capital city rather than the satellite cities. NORTHAM: You mean people will be sucked down to London rather than travelling from London to Birmingham or Manchester or Leeds? - 5 - TETT: Absolutely. What it tends to do, from experience around the world is it actually increases the dominance of the capital city and that’s not a good thing in terms of closing the north/south divide. If you really wanted to do that, what you should be looking at instead is actually linking northern and midland cities much more closely together rather than attracting more business down to London. Really the question isn’t, could we spend 50 billion on a high speed railway line? It’s, is it the best value for money when you’re investing 50 billion or are there better alternatives that would generate better wealth for the country more quickly? NORTHAM: Doubts about who would benefit most from HS2 are central to the current debate. We’ll return to them later in the journey when we reach supporters of the project in Birmingham. Meanwhile, in constituencies along the HS2 route, it’s not only the possibility of losing out in the future that’s troubling residents. For some, the fear of planning blight has already become a reality. ACTUALITY IN CAR NORTHAM: I’ve headed roughly north towards Buckingham and turned off onto this narrow winding lane which leads to a small village of yellow/grey stone houses with an attractive village green with a pump and a surprisingly substantial church which has a plaque recording the village’s mention in the Domesday Book. ACTUALITY OF SAT NAV SAT NAV: Bear left, then you have reached your destination. NORTHAM: This is Turweston and it lies just a few hundred metres to the west of the planned HS2 route. And that has given some residents here real anxiety. HARPER-TARR: I’m Mike Harper-Tarr. I am the son of Elfrida Harper- Tarr, who owned the house we are standing outside and who, with my father, came here on my father’s retirement from the army in 1954 to take over what was a small village shop and post office. - 6 - NORTHAM: Mike Harper-Tarr’s mother is now 98 and was the village postmistress well into her late eighties. She carried on running the shop into her nineties. Last year, after a series of falls and with failing eyesight, she decided it was time to go into care. They found a nearby home which suited her perfectly and then put her house up for sale to raise the fees. HARPER-TARR: Initially it seemed reasonably all right. We had one or two people in the village itself who were interested. One of them pulled out but the other couple, who wanted to move into a bigger house, went ahead. We were anticipating exchanging contracts in the New Year. Just before the New Year came in I got a phone call from the people here saying, ‘Mike, can you come on over? We’ve got trouble.’ And they had been to their building society who had responded, refusing them a mortgage and citing there would be huge disruption from the building of the railway followed by continuing disturbance from the railway, HS2, and they put a value of zero on the property. NORTHAM: Zero? HARPER-TARR: Zero. NORTHAM: What should the property have been worth? HARPER-TARR: In the region of £250,000 or £260,000 – that sort of figure was reasonable. But sale could not go ahead because they were unable to raise the money. NORTHAM: In the end, matters worked out satisfactorily for Mike’s mother, who eventually qualified as a case of exceptional hardship and had her property bought by the Government at close to the asking price.