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Third Session – Forty-Second Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba Standing Committee on Social and Economic Development Chairperson Mr. Andrew Micklefield Constituency of Rossmere Vol. LXXV No. 2 - 6 p.m., Thursday, November 26, 2020 ISSN 1708-6698 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Forty-Second Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ADAMS, Danielle Thompson NDP ALTOMARE, Nello Transcona NDP ASAGWARA, Uzoma Union Station NDP BRAR, Diljeet Burrows NDP BUSHIE, Ian Keewatinook NDP CLARKE, Eileen, Hon. Agassiz PC COX, Cathy, Hon. Kildonan-River East PC CULLEN, Cliff, Hon. Spruce Woods PC DRIEDGER, Myrna, Hon. Roblin PC EICHLER, Ralph, Hon. Lakeside PC EWASKO, Wayne Lac du Bonnet PC FIELDING, Scott, Hon. Kirkfield Park PC FONTAINE, Nahanni St. Johns NDP FRIESEN, Cameron, Hon. Morden-Winkler PC GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Lib. GOERTZEN, Kelvin, Hon. Steinbach PC GORDON, Audrey Southdale PC GUENTER, Josh Borderland PC GUILLEMARD, Sarah, Hon. Fort Richmond PC HELWER, Reg, Hon. Brandon West PC ISLEIFSON, Len Brandon East PC JOHNSON, Derek Interlake-Gimli PC JOHNSTON, Scott Assiniboia PC KINEW, Wab Fort Rouge NDP LAGASSÉ, Bob Dawson Trail PC LAGIMODIERE, Alan Selkirk PC LAMONT, Dougald St. Boniface Lib. LAMOUREUX, Cindy Tyndall Park Lib. LATHLIN, Amanda The Pas-Kameesak NDP LINDSEY, Tom Flin Flon NDP MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MARCELINO, Malaya Notre Dame NDP MARTIN, Shannon McPhillips PC MICHALESKI, Brad Dauphin PC MICKLEFIELD, Andrew Rossmere PC MORLEY-LECOMTE, Janice Seine River PC MOSES, Jamie St. Vital NDP NAYLOR, Lisa Wolseley NDP NESBITT, Greg Riding Mountain PC PALLISTER, Brian, Hon. Fort Whyte PC PEDERSEN, Blaine, Hon. Midland PC PIWNIUK, Doyle Turtle Mountain PC REYES, Jon Waverley PC SALA, Adrien St. James NDP SANDHU, Mintu The Maples NDP SCHULER, Ron, Hon. Springfield-Ritchot PC SMITH, Andrew Lagimodière PC SMITH, Bernadette Point Douglas NDP SMOOK, Dennis La Vérendrye PC SQUIRES, Rochelle, Hon. Riel PC STEFANSON, Heather, Hon. Tuxedo PC TEITSMA, James Radisson PC WASYLIW, Mark Fort Garry NDP WHARTON, Jeff, Hon. Red River North PC WIEBE, Matt Concordia NDP WISHART, Ian Portage la Prairie PC WOWCHUK, Rick Swan River PC 7 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT Thursday, November 26, 2020 TIME – 6 p.m. MATTERS UNDER CONSIDERATION: LOCATION – Winnipeg, Manitoba Bill 4–The Retail Business Hours of Operation Act (Various Acts Amended or Repealed) CHAIRPERSON – Mr. Andrew Micklefield (Rossmere) Bill 7–The Planning Amendment Act * * * VICE-CHAIRPERSON – Mr. Len Isleifson (Brandon East) Mr. Chairperson: If everybody could mute their mics, we're about to start the meeting. ATTENDANCE – 6 QUORUM – 4 Good evening. Will the Standing Committee on Members of the Committee present: Social and Economic Development please come to Hon. Mr. Fielding, Hon. Ms. Squires order. Messrs. Isleifson, Lindsey, Micklefield, Wiebe Our first item of business is the election of a Vice-Chairperson. APPEARING: Are there any nominations? Ms. Cindy Lamoureux, MLA for Tyndall Park Hon. Rochelle Squires (Minister of Municipal Relations): I'd like to nominate the MLA for Brandon PUBLIC PRESENTERS: East, Len Isleifson, for Vice-Chair. Bill 4–The Retail Business Hours of Operation Mr. Chairperson: Mr. Isleifson has been nominated. Act (Various Acts Amended or Repealed) Are there any other nominations? Mr. John Graham, Retail Council of Canada Hearing no other nominations, Mr. Isleifson is Mr. Romeo Ignacio, Amalgamated Transit Union, elected Vice-Chairperson. Local 1505 Mr. Loren Remillard, Winnipeg Chamber of This meeting has been called to consider the Commerce following bills: Bill 4, The Retail Business Hours of Ms. Anna Rothney, Manitoba Federation of Operation Act; and Bill 7, The Planning Amendment Labour Act. Mr. Jonathan Alward, Canadian Federation of Before we proceed with presentations, we do Independent Business (video/audio presentation - have a number of other items and points of by leave) information to consider. Bill 7–The Planning Amendment Act In accordance with our rules, a time limit of 10 minutes has been allotted for presentations, with Mr. Bill Courtice, RM of Cornwallis another five minutes allowed for questions from Mr. Ross Farley, RM of Elton committee members. If a presenter is not in attendance Mr. Ryan Nickel, City of Brandon when their name is called, they will be dropped to the WRITTEN SUBMISSIONS: bottom of the list. If the presenter is not in attendance when their name is called a second time, they will be Bill 4–The Retail Business Hours of Operation removed from the presenters' list. Act (Various Acts Amended or Repealed) Written submissions from the following persons Denys Volkov, Association of Manitoba have been received and distributed to committee Municipalities members. I hope I pronounce the names correctly; my apologies if I do not: Denys Volkov, Association of Bill 7–The Planning Amendment Act Manitoba Municipalities, on Bill 4; Mayor Rick Rick Chrest, City of Brandon Chrest, City of Brandon, on Bill 7; Jeff Fawcett, Jeff Fawcett, Brandon and Area Planning District Brandon and Area Planning District, on Bill 7. 8 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 26, 2020 Does the committee agree to have these Mr. Chairperson: Pardon me, Mr. Graham, I'm documents appear in the Hansard script of this sorry. I'm being advised by the clerks to pause for just meeting? [Agreed] a moment, just bear with us. We just need to check a broadcast issue so please bear with us for about On the topic of determining the order of public two minutes. presentations, we have had a request by a presenter, Mr. John Graham, that he be allowed to present first All right, this is a test of my microphone to see if as he has a prior engagement tonight. it's doing what it should be. We're still working out some tweaks here but–testing. How are we doing, Is there leave of the committee to allow guys? Should I just keep talking 'til you tell me to Mr. Graham to present first? [Agreed] stop? We’re good. Okay. Sorry folks, just bear with us Mr. Graham will present first. here. By all means, Mr. Clerk. Thank you for asking me Also, for the information of all members, we have to test the microphone. It's always a pleasure to test a a–we have had a special request from Jonathan microphone. So I'll just keep talking until you tell me Alward, from the Canadian Federation of Independent to stop talking. Business. Mr. Alward is unable to attend this evening, but has recorded a video of his presentation and It's great to see such a vibrant throng of people wishes it to be played to the committee. This request here tonight. It's going to be a wonderful night here at has been agreed to by the House leaders. the Manitoba Legislature, considering bills 4 and 7. I'm sure that you're eager for these presentations and Is there leave of the committee to consider deliberations to begin, as are we all. Mr. Alward's video presentation at the conclusion of the list of presenters before us and have the text And–how's that mic working, sound guys? Oh, included in Hansard? [Agreed] I'm supposed to keep talking. Well–I'm not supposed to keep talking. Prior to proceeding with public presentations, I would like to advise members of the public regarding Okay, in light of technical challenges, we will the process for speaking in committee. recess for five minutes or so. The proceedings of our meetings are recorded in * * * order to provide a verbatim transcript. This is The committee recessed at 6:10 p.m. important, so listen up. Each time someone wishes to ____________ speak, whether it be an MLA or a presenter, I first have to say the person's name. This is the signal for The committee resumed at 6:12 p.m. the Hansard recorder to turn the mics on and off. Mr. Chairperson: Mr. Graham, thanks for your Thanks for your patience. patience. Because of the broadcast issue, we actually have to start all over again. So apologies for these We will now proceed with public presentations. delays which are beyond our control. I want to thank the clerks, though, for all their help, and the tech Bill 4–The Retail Business people as well. Hours of Operation Act (Various Acts Amended or Repealed) So we're going to go back to the very top, and you're going to hear the same stuff that I said Mr. Chairperson: I will now call on John Graham of eight minutes ago, but then the plane will get in the air the Retail Council of Canada. and we'll be off to the races, to mix metaphors. If you have any written materials for distribution Okay, committee come back to order. to the committee, you can now send the file through the chat function or email it to the moderator, who will Our first item of business is the election of a distribute it to all committee members. Vice-Chairperson. Please unmute yourself and proceed with your Are there any nominations? presentation, Mr. Graham. Mr. Matt Wiebe (Concordia): I would like to nominate Mr. Isleifson. Mr. John Graham (Retail Council of Canada): Thanks– Mr. Chairperson: Mr. Isleifson has been nominated. November 26, 2020 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 9 Are there any other nominations? The proceedings of our meetings are recorded in order to provide a verbatim transcript. Each time Hearing no other nominations, Mr. Isleifson is someone wishes to speak, either–whether it be an elected Vice-Chairperson. MLA or a presenter, I first have to say the person's This meeting has been called to consider the name. This is the signal for the Hansard recorder to following bills: Bill 4, The Retail Business Hours of turn the mics on and off.