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14Th Plenary Session – Summary BRITISH-IRISH INTER-PARLIAMENTARY BODY COMHLACHT IDIR-PHARLAIMINTEACH NA BREATAINE AGUS NA hÉIREANN _____________________________________________ TWENTY-THIRD PLENARY SESSION 3 and 4 December 2001 Dorchester Suite, Marriott Highcliff Hotel, Bournemouth _________________________________________________________________ OFFICIAL REPORT (Final Revised Edition) (Produced by the British-Irish Parliamentary Reporting Association) 1. Monday 3 December 2001 The sitting was opened in public at 9.40 am in the Dorchester Suite, Marriott Highcliff Hotel, Bournemouth, with Mr David Winnick MP in the Chair. 1. PRELIMINARY ANNOUNCEMENTS The Co-Chairman (Mr David Winnick): Order, order. The body is now in public session. May I take this opportunity of welcoming you to the 23rd Plenary Session. We have quite an agenda before us, including, of course, the Secretary of State who will be coming later on today. There are various announcements I wish to make before we get down to business. First, I would remind everyone present to turn off pagers, bleepers and mobile phones while you are in the room. I also ask everyone, and I trust no-one will mind me saying this, to refrain from reading newspapers while we are in session. There is no vote on that; that is an order! May I remind members that the proceedings of the Body do not attract parliamentary privilege. 2. ASSOCIATE MEMBERS AND OTHERS ATTENDING THE PLENARY The Co-Chairman (Mr David Winnick): I have to inform the Body that in accordance with Rule 2(a) the following Associate Members have accepted the invitation of the Steering Committee to assume the powers and responsibility of Members for the whole of this session: Henry Bellingham MP, Matt Brennan TD, John Browne TD, Tony Colman MP, Jeff Ennis MP, Michael German AM, Brian Gibbons AM, Deputy Mike Torode, Dominic Grieve MP, Senator Mary Henry, Steven McCabe MP and Michael McMahon MSP. We have received apologies from Patricia Ferguson MSP and John Hume MP MLA. There have been a number of membership changes as a result of the British general election and I have much pleasure in welcoming John Battle, Elfyn Llwyd, Steve McCabe and Rosemary McKenna. Henry Bellingham has returned to the body after a period out of Parliament. We also welcome Michael German and Brian Gibbons from Wales, Mike Torode from Guernsey and Michael McMahon from Scotland, all of whom are attending for the first time. As a result of the general election a number of former colleagues retired: Maria Fyfe, Norman Godman and Gerry Bermingham. Those three of course you will remember were very active members of the body. Peter Brooke and Peter Temple-Morris have returned to us but in a different guise, as Members of the House of Lords, and we welcome them here. There is no need to refer to them as "Lords" but that is officially their title. I have a sad announcement to make which most of you will be aware of. Mike Burns, who has been the media adviser to this body I believe since 1982, lost his wife Lynette in August. She died of cancer. I am sure all of us would like to express our deep sympathy to Mike and recognise the tragic loss he has suffered. I am informed by the Clerks that there have been a number of interesting recent developments in professional co-operation between parliamentary staffs throughout the islands in the area of parliamentary reporting and legislation. The Clerks have prepared a note for colleagues which is available on the document table. 3. ADOPTION OF PROPOSED PROGRAMME OF BUSINESS The Co-Chairman (Mr Michael O'Kennedy): I should like formally to move the adoption of the proposed programme as amended. Ordered, That the proposed Programme of Business for the current Session, as amended, be approved.-(Mr Michael O'Kennedy.) The Co-Chairman (Mr David Winnick): For those who want to speak in the first debate, the political debate, it would be extremely helpful if you could indicate beforehand if you wish to speak. That does not preclude anyone from speaking but if we have a speakers' list that makes life much easier, not least for myself. You all like short speeches, or it would seem so from last night. The Steering Committee has recommended that there should be a time limit on speeches in the political debate and in the debate on Sellafield on Tuesday of four minutes. Closing speeches will have a bit more time, ten minutes maximum. When I go like that (indicating), that is not just for the sake of it. It is an indication that you have ended your time. I do not like to be too formal as in our main places of work, but it would be very helpful if colleagues realised that four minutes is not necessarily seven or eight minutes. We now come to the debate on Recent Political Developments. That should take us to lunchtime. If there is a feeling that we should have a break for coffee no doubt you will indicate. The motion on political developments will now be moved by Deputy Jimmy Deenihan. 4. RECENT POLITICAL DEVELOPMENTS Mr Jimmy Deenihan TD (Kerry North): I move, That the Body reaffirms its support for the Good Friday Agreement and the conclusions of the Weston Park consultation; endorses the views of the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland and the Minister for Foreign Affairs that the outstanding issues relate to policing, the stability of the institutions, security normalisation and decommissioning and that while each of these issues is best addressed in its own terms, rather than being seen as a precondition for progress on any other, the Agreement can only succeed if all parts of it are implemented together; notes the recent political developments in Northern Ireland; expresses the hope that the election of the Rt hon David Trimble as First Minister and of Mr Mark Durkan as Deputy First Minister marks the beginning of a new era of stability in the political institutions of Northern Ireland; and calls on all political representatives to respect the wishes of the people in the referenda to implement the Agreement in full. Chairman, I have just a few brief comments. I think that the very positive developments that have taken place in the last month must be welcomed. We now see the Good Friday Agreement really being put in place. I am convinced, and I am sure you all are, that if the institutions are allowed to work and if the Good Friday Agreement is fully implemented then we will have a system in place in Northern Ireland that will be totally democratic, totally inclusive, and will lead to a total normalisation of politics in Northern Ireland. Certainly the structures that are being established there in all parts of government will be a model for other countries to copy because I am convinced that they are going to be so effective. I should like to refer briefly to the four aspects of the Weston Park consultation: policing the stability of the institutions, security, normalisation and decommissioning. On policing, it is very heartening that the Policing Board is now up and running and has met on two occasions. All parties have signed up to it, including the DUP. Unfortunately Sinn Féin have not yet signed up to and have not yet taken their seats on the new Policing Board. I certainly hope that they will in the very near future. They do have their difficulties with it but I think these can be surmounted. It is interesting to note that the initial recruitment has been very successful and that 308 recruits have now taken up their places. They are 50 per cent Catholic, 50 per cent Protestant. Could I also say that the only way that the community in Northern Ireland will have total confidence in this police force is if it is representative of that community. That was one of the problems until now: that the police force was predominantly from one sector of the community. There were a number of reasons for this. One was that young Catholics were not allowed to join the police force or were advised not to. Hopefully now with the new arrangements and the almost unanimous consensus young Catholics and young Nationalists will join the policing arrangement. A good example of that recently has been the numbers that have signed up. There is considerable interest from young people in the Republic of Ireland in joining the police force in Northern Ireland, even from my own county in Kerry which is one of the most southern counties, and that is to be welcomed. If this continues, if the policing arrangements are supported, then I think in a very short space of time we will have a totally new scenario in Northern Ireland, where Nationalists in places like Omagh had considerable problems in the past with the RUC - that the whole process can be normalised and they can feel confident in the police force that is policing them. That is why with this positive development we are going to have more acceptability of the policing arrangements. As a member of the Gaelic Athletic Association I would like to explain to members here and to the other Assemblies and Parliament that the Gaelic Athletic Association is an all-Ireland Association whose main aim is to promote the Gaelic games of Gaelic football, hurling, camogie and handball. Since about 1903 there has been a ban on any members of the British security forces playing Gaelic games. On 17 November that was removed from the GAA constitution and rule book, so it now means that members of the security forces in Northern Ireland can play Gaelic games.
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