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Official Report of Debates (Hansard) Journal Des Débats Legislative Assemblée Assembly législative of Ontario de l’Ontario Official Report Journal of Debates des débats (Hansard) (Hansard) F-61 F-61 Standing Committee on Comité permanent Finance and Economic Affairs des finances et des affaires économiques Protect, Support and Recover Loi de 2020 sur la protection, from COVID-19 Act le soutien et la relance (Budget Measures), 2020 face à la COVID-19 (mesures budgétaires) 1st Session 1re session 42nd Parliament 42e législature Wednesday 2 December 2020 Mercredi 2 décembre 2020 Chair: Amarjot Sandhu Président : Amarjot Sandhu Clerk: Julia Douglas Greffière : Julia Douglas Hansard on the Internet Le Journal des débats sur Internet Hansard and other documents of the Legislative Assembly L’adresse pour faire paraître sur votre ordinateur personnel can be on your personal computer within hours after each le Journal et d’autres documents de l’Assemblée législative sitting. 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House Publications and Language Services Service linguistique et des publications parlementaires Room 500, West Wing, Legislative Building Salle 500, aile ouest, Édifice du Parlement 111 Wellesley Street West, Queen’s Park 111, rue Wellesley ouest, Queen’s Park Toronto ON M7A 1A2 Toronto ON M7A 1A2 Telephone 416-325-7400; fax 416-325-7430 Téléphone, 416-325-7400; télécopieur, 416-325-7430 Published by the Legislative Assembly of Ontario Publié par l’Assemblée législative de l’Ontario ISSN 1180-4386 CONTENTS Wednesday 2 December 2020 Protect, Support and Recover from COVID-19 Act (Budget Measures), 2020, Bill 229, Mr. Phillips / Loi de 2020 sur la protection, le soutien et la relance face à la COVID- 19 (mesures budgétaires), projet de loi 229, M. Phillips...........................................................F-3099 Ontario Nature; Ontario Public Service Employees Union; Canadian Manufacturers and Exporters ...................................................................................................................F-3099 Dr. Anne Bell Mr. Smokey Thomas Mr. Alex Greco Federation of Ontario Cottagers’ Associations; Nature London; Career Colleges Ontario .............................................................................................................................F-3108 Mr. Terry Rees Ms. Muriel Andreae Mr. Chris Conway Wilderness Committee; FilmOntario; Dr. Jennifer Drake .................................................F-3117 Ms. Katie Krelove Ms. Cynthia Lynch Mr. Scott Garvie Ms. Sue Milling LIUNA Local 183 Training Centre; Mr. David Laing; North Gwillimbury Forest Alliance ............................................................................................................................F-3126 Mr. Sandro Pinto Mr. Jack Gibbons David Suzuki Foundation; City of Brampton; Ms. Darla Fiset ..........................................F-3134 Dr. Yannick Beaudoin Ms. Gurdeep Kaur Mr. Paul Aldunate Mr. Rick Conard Ms. Clare Burnett Mr. Gary Huggins; Ontario Coalition for Smoke-Free Movies; Ms. Peggy Hutchison .....F-3143 Mr. Gary Huggins Mr. Michael Perley Ms. Peggy Hutchison F-3099 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF ONTARIO ASSEMBLÉE LÉGISLATIVE DE L’ONTARIO STANDING COMMITTEE ON COMITÉ PERMANENT DES FINANCES FINANCE AND ECONOMIC AFFAIRS ET DES AFFAIRES ÉCONOMIQUES Wednesday 2 December 2020 Mercredi 2 décembre 2020 The committee met at 0900 in committee room 1 and by you can please state your name for the record, and you will video conference. have seven minutes for your presentation. Dr. Anne Bell: Good morning, everyone. I’m going to share my screen now with my presentation. PROTECT, SUPPORT AND RECOVER Thank you so much for the opportunity to make this FROM COVID-19 ACT presentation this morning. My name is Anne Bell, and I’m (BUDGET MEASURES), 2020 the director of conservation and education at Ontario LOI DE 2020 SUR LA PROTECTION, Nature. I’m joining you today from my home in Toronto. LE SOUTIEN ET LA RELANCE I would like to acknowledge that this place is in the FACE À LA COVID-19 traditional territory of the Anishinaabe, Haudenosaunee (MESURES BUDGÉTAIRES) and Wendat peoples, and it’s in the current territory of the Mississaugas of the Credit, under the Toronto Purchase Consideration of the following bill: Treaty 13 signed in 1805. Bill 229, An Act to implement Budget measures and to For those of you who aren’t familiar with Ontario enact, amend and repeal various statutes / Projet de loi Nature, we are a charitable conservation organization that 229, Loi visant à mettre en oeuvre les mesures budgétaires protects wild species and wild spaces through conserva- et à édicter, à modifier ou à abroger diverses lois. tion, education and public engagement. We represent over The Chair (Mr. Amarjot Sandhu): Good morning, 30,000 members and supporters and over 150 member everyone. We’re meeting today for public hearings on Bill groups across the province. 229, An Act to implement Budget measures and to enact, My comments today will focus on two schedules in Bill amend and repeal various statutes. 229: schedule 6, pertaining to the Conservation Author- We have MPP Stan Cho with us in the committee room, ities Act, and schedule 8, pertaining to the Crown Forest and the following members participating remotely: MPP Sustainability Act. In both cases, I urge you to remove Pang, MPP Arthur, MPP Roberts, MPP Smith, MPP Shaw, these schedules from Bill 229. MPP Thanigasalam, MPP Park and MPP Mamakwa. Like many other organizations that the committee has As a reminder, I ask that everyone speak slowly and already heard from, Ontario Nature is deeply concerned clearly. Please wait until I recognize you before starting to about the proposed amendments in schedule 6 that would speak. Are there any questions or business before we begin? significantly constrain and reduce the critical role that Seeing none, pursuant to the order of the House dated conservation authorities play in protecting the lands, November 23, 2020, each presenter will have seven waters and wildlife, which benefit communities across minutes for their presentation. After we have heard from Ontario. It would do this by narrowing the scope and all presenters, there will be time for questions from powers of conservation authorities, by restricting the members of the committee. This time will be broken down duties of conservation authority board members and by into two rounds of seven and a half minutes each for both reducing the involvement of conservation authorities in of the recognized parties and two rounds of four and a half land use planning and permitting. minutes for the independent members. Why does this matter? In a nutshell, it has to do with the unique mandate of conservation authorities to seek and act with the health of watersheds in mind. It’s not hard to ONTARIO NATURE understand that when we are talking about flood preven- ONTARIO PUBLIC SERVICE tion or about drinking water quality, we need to look EMPLOYEES UNION beyond political boundaries. We need to consider how water moves across the landscape and what activities CANADIAN MANUFACTURERS might impact it positively or negatively. The beauty of AND EXPORTERS conservation authorities is that they provide that watershed The Chair (Mr. Amarjot Sandhu): I would now like perspective and bring science and evidence to bear on land to call upon our first witness of the day, Ontario Nature. If use planning and decisions. F-3100 STANDING COMMITTEE ON FINANCE AND ECONOMIC AFFAIRS 2 DECEMBER 2020 To do their work properly to protect the health of our The Chair (Mr. Amarjot Sandhu): One minute left. watersheds, conservation authorities are involved in a Dr. Anne Bell: —forestry operators from the broad suite of important endeavours, many, if not most, of requirements of the Endangered Species Act to protect and which are jeopardized by schedule 6. The monitoring recover species at risk. It would also remove the ability of carried out by conservation authorities, for example, is the minister to issue habitat protection orders to stop necessary for the effective delivery of flood mitigation and activities that could have a significant adverse effect on drinking water protection, as well as biodiversity conserv- species at risk. These changes are not in the public interest ation and ecological restoration efforts. Conservation and they have nothing to do with COVID recovery. authorities bring a vital watershed perspective to planning These amendments are part of a suite of government and development decisions so the development does not rollbacks on environmental protection with respect to put communities at risk from flooding and other climate forestry. Under the guise of eliminating duplication or so- change impacts through the loss of wetlands, woodlands called red tape, the government is proceeding on the false and farmland. assumption advanced by some within the forest industry With regard specifically to their role in regulating and that the Crown Forest Sustainability Act adequately permitting land use activities, Ontario’s special adviser on provides for species at risk and that the protections offered flooding said that it is
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