LOK SABHA DEBATES· (English Version)

Eighth Series, Vol. IV, No. 19 Tuesday. April U, 1985 Valsaklla 3, lt07 (~)

Second Session (Eighth Lok Sabha)

(Yol.IV contains NOI_ 21 to 30)

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No. 28, Tuesday, April 23, 19851 Vaisakha 3, 1907 (Saka)

COLUMNS

Welcome tn the Delegation of the Forei~n Affairs Committee

of Finnish Parliament 1-- ~

Oral Answers to Quesitons :

*Starred Questions Nos. 547, 54R, 550, 552. 553 and 559 to 561 6- 33

Written Aswers to Questions:

Starred Questions Nos. 549, 551, 554, 559 to .558 and 562 to 566 33-42

Unstlrn'd Questions Nos. 3996 to 4038, 4040 to 4044. 4046 to 4094, 4096 to 4107 4109,4111 to 4114 and 4116 to 4145 42-238

Papers Laid on the Table 243-245

Calling Attention to Matter of UrgeD Public Importance 251-280

Reported death of many Adivasis and injuries to others as a result of firing by Po ice in Sahebganj district, Bihar

Sbri Harisb Rawat 251-1'9

*The sign + marked above the lI.lme of a Member indicates that tbe question was actually asked on tho floor of the House by that Member.

( i ) COLUMNS

Shri S. B. Chavan 259-260

Shri Zainu1 Basher 260-265

Shri C. Madbav Reddy 268-272

Shri Dbaram Pal Singh Malik 272-274 Shri Piyus Tiraky 274-2i10 Business Advisory Comrnittee-

Sixth RepNt 281

Matters Under Rule 377- 281-28 P

(i) Need for construction of National Highway from Gopalpur to Orissa border near Kharien Road Railway Station cODnecting National High WilY No. 6 at Raipur in M.P.

Shri Jagannath Pattnaik 281-=~2

(iii) Demand for construction of a railway bridge over the river Saryu and to convert the t-v'L:Dskpur- Ailahabad rail line into a main line

Shri Nirmal Khatri 282-28~

(iii) Need to star: construction of the proposed Mat hura- Alwar Railw:'y line immediately and from the Alwu Town

Shri Ram Singh Yadav 283-284

(iv) Need to launch a special drive to clear all pending ease!> for sane; ion of pension to certain waiting freedom fighters

Prof. Narain Chand Parashar

(v) Need to set up a fishing harbour at Paradeep with. out further delay

Sbrimati Jayanti Patnaik 284-285

( ii ) COLUMNS

(vi) Need -to declare birthday of Jaga Jyoti Basaveswara a Notional holiday and instal his statue in front of Parliament Heuse

Sbri G. S. Basavaraj 285-286

(vii) Need to allocate more railway wagons for movement of steel material to Coimbatore daily

Shri N. Soundararajan 286-287

(viii) Need to direct Archaeology Department to take over Shanti Grama Temples in r Hassan district of Karnataka

Dr. V. Veokatesh 287-288

(ix) Need to arrange adequate l>UppJy of Diesel to Gorakbpur district for uSe of agriculturists

Sbri Mahabir Prasad 288

Demands for Grants (Genera!), 1985-86-Contd, 289-370

Ministry of Comrnuoication-

Shri Vijaya Rama Rao 293-297

Prof. Narain Chand Parashar 297-305

Shri Chintama i Panigrahi 305-31 J

Shri P. Se)vendran 3Jl- 315

Sbri P. R. S. Venkatesh 315-318

Shri Narain Choubcy 318-322

Shri Ram Singh Yadav 322-327

Shrimati Oil Kumari Bhandari 327-329

Shri MooI Chand Daga 329-332

Shri Suresh Kurup 332-336

Sbri Girdbari LaI Vyas ... 336-339

( iii ) Shr i D. N. Reddy 339-34j

Shri T. V. Chandrasekhar&r .... 343-345

Shri V. S. Krishna Iyer 345-349

Shri R. S. Khirhar 349-3S0

Shri Ram Niwas Mirdba 351-370

Statement on Ahmedabad Riots 371-384

Demands for Grants (General), • 98S·86 - COflfd. 3~4-402

Ministry of Defence (Not concluded)

Shri Ajay Musbaran 389-402

Sbri Sbantaram Naik 402

( ... ) LOK SABRA DEBATES

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LOK SABRA PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : Under rule 388, I have given a notice for the suspension of Question Hour •

. Tuesday, April 23, 1985/Vaisakha MR. SPEAKER: I did not allow it. 3, 1907 (SAKA\ PROF. MADHU DANDAVAl'E The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of I will quote the precedents. the Clock. (Translation] MR. SPEAKER: If you Would have [MR. SPEAKER in the Chair] come yesterday. it would have auto- matically been suspended. WELCOME TO THE DELEGATiON [English] OF THE FOREIGN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE OF FINNISH PARLIA- PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE MENT I will quote.

[English] MR. SPEAKER : I know, there are . certain precedents. But we are going to MR. SPEAKER: Honourable Mem- have after ...... bers, at the ou tset, I have to make an announcement. PROF. MADHU DANDA VA TE : Earlier when there was a massacre in On my own behalf and on behalf of Assam, you had allowed me to raise a the Hon'ble Members of the House, I discussion. have great pleasure ill welcoming Hon. Mr. Par Steoback, M. P., Vice-Chair- MR. SPEAKER Tbis is not a man of the Foreign Affairs Committee massacre. of Finnish Parliament and other Honour- able Members of their delegation who PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE are on a visi t to Ind ia. Earlier, you had suspended tbe question Hour and allowed a discussion under rule 193. (Interruptions). The situation They arrived here yesterday evening. in Abemadabad is serious and tbe Army They are now seated in the Special Box. bas taken over ... We wish them a happy and fruitful stay in our country. Through them we con- MR. SPEAKER: Look bere, Pro· vey our greetings and best wishes to the fes80r. On tbe agenda today, tbere is Parliament, Government and the a statement by tbe Hon. Home Minister. friendly people of Finland. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATB PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: For your information, it is not tbere. Mr. Speaker, Sir, please ......

MR. SPEAKER: What happened AN HON. MEMBER: We want to Sir ? have a discussion. 3 Welcome to De/egation APRIL 23; 1985 Welcome to Delegation 4

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Basirhat): MR. SPEAKER: We will see. Yesterday, there was an indication that Whatever it is, we will dISCUSS. After the statement would be made. It has tbe statement is made, we will see what not been made. can be done.

MR. SPEAKER: It will come. I PROF. MADHU DANDA VATE : have asked them to make a statement. I firmly stand for reservations; I am committed to reservations. But SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTA: It is a violence cannot be permitted. I am very serious matter. referring to the police violence. These are criminals in uniforms .. . (/nterrup. lions). MR. SPEAKER: We shall consider it after the statement. MR. SPEAKER : Please don't try to deride anything. (Interruptions) SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: You shou ld a How a special discussio~ un~er adjournment-motion or somethlDg like SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: We appreciate very much the remarks you that. made yesterday from the. Chair regarding the need for everybody to abhor PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: violent methods. We would like to Yesterday, the Minister announced that know, how after the High Court has he would make a statement. On the ordered a probe into the excesses of the List of Business, there is no mention police, even after that, the police are of that at all. I carefully W601 through allowed to have a free CUD •• • (Interrup- I't . There is no mention at all. tions).

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN MR. SPEAKER We shall see THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS after the statement is made. Shri (SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA): K~mmodilal Jatav. He is going to make it today.

PRqF. MADHU DANDAVA TE : At SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA At least at 12 O'clock, you consider what time? an adjournment motion to be moved in the House ..• (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: rt will be today. Don't worry. It)ViII com':!. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: We have given notices of adjournment PROF MADHN DANDAVATE: motions. Do you realise the seriousness of the situation? MR. SPEAKER I have got no promise3 to give. I will just listen MR. SPEAKER: ThJ.t is why I to the statement and decide. have asked bim to do it. We will discuss it later on. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE Even then, this becomes a subiect- PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: matter of an adjournment motion ... The Police Commissioner called the (Interruptions) Leader of the House in the legislature for a dicussion and his car was burnt MR. SPEAKER: Sbri Kamm9dilal by uniformed policemen. This is what Jatav. Is he there? is happening in Gujarat. Women are 'molested; arson is going on •.• PROF. K.K. TEWARY Sir. (I/Jterruptions) there was a similar situation in Tripura 5 Welcome to Delegation VAISAKHA 3, 1907 (SAKA)

and we were demanding a discussion to what comes to my mind. I have to on it. Defence personnel were killed decide according to given situations. in Tripura. This was oot allowed. Whatever I decide is according 10 given Now, they are trying to disturb the situations •.•(/nterruptions) Question Hour .. ;(/nterruptlons) I know about Tripura; I know PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): about West Bengal; I know every- Mr. Tewary. you yourself were for a thing ... (lflterruptions) Mr. Tewary. will discussion 00 21st February. 1983; you not allow the House to run? I it is on record ... (Interruptions) do not like this. (Interruptions) (Interruptions)" MR. SPEAKER: Not allowed. MR. SPEAKER: I do not allow (Interruptions)· anything 00 record. It is "my discre- tion whether I allow it or not. There MR. SPEAKER: All of you are precedents when I have done it. pkase bit down; please take your There are precedents when I have not seats. I have to judge it myself. I done it. So simple. have to look into all these matters. What he has said is under my consi- (Interruptions) * der:.itj·::m What the Home Minister will say I wiil consider and everYthing MR. SPEAKER: Prof. K. K. will be coming according to rules. Tewary, I do not take your counsel. Don't worry. I do not take bis counsel. It is my counsel tbat prevails. Please sit down. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: (Interruptions) "* I accept your ruling. But you put the record straight. Let the Hon. Member know that ,bere have been occasions ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS when notices under rule 388 had been accepted and the Question Hour [Translation bad been suspended. 1 Setting up or Cement and otber MR. SPEAKER That is on Industries io Morena District (Madbya Pradesb) record. It is according to the Speaker's decision that notices under rule 388 arc also allowed. I do not want any *547. SHRI KAMMODILAL discussioo here. JA T A V: Will tbe MInister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY PROF. K. K. TEWARY Let AFFAIRS be pleased to state : me make a submission. (a) whether there is only ooe MR. SPEAKER; No submission. industry in Hammor in Morena District of Madhya Pradesh within a radius of 300 Kms. and there is no PROF. K.K. TEWARY: It is a large or medium industry in that Vt. ry dangerous precedent ... (lnterrup- district lions) (b) whet-her Government propose MR. SPEAKER: What is a to conduct any survey of this areas for dangerous Precedent? If I allow it, its industrialisation; if so, the details ho N is it going to be a dangt'lrous thereof; and if not, the reasons there- precedent? I have to see according for; aod

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(c) whether Government propose Printing Paper. Plastic aod Leather to set up cement industry in Morena Shoes; Soap, PVC Cables, Electrical District in view of the large scale lime Poles, Bareymalt, Steel· Ingots, Filter stone deposits and easy availability of Paper. 'Katha', Auto-Spring, Guargum, labour with a view to develop this Bread, Forging, Radio & Transistor, backward region and to provide Nylon-rope, RCC pipes, Hosiery Cloths. employment? Buckets, Tasala, Synthetic Cloth etc.

[English] Setting up of industries in a particular area is primarily the responsibility THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS of the state Government and they carry AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY out surveys wherever necessary. Central AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI Government supplemnets their efforts VEERENDRA PATIL) : (a) to (c): by providing subsidies and concessional A statement is laid on. the Table of the finances etc. For the industrialisation House. programme in backward areas.

Statement There is no proposal at present to set up a cement plant in the public (a) to (c): Large and medium sector in Morena district. scale industrial units in Bammor in Morena district of M.P. are as follows : MR. SPEAKER: Now Shri (1) Consolidated Steel & Alloys Kammodilal Jatav will put his supple- Ltd. mentary question.

(2) Metal Cast Products of India [Translation) (P) Ltd. SHRI KAMMODILAL JATAV: Mr. Speaker, Sir, I had sought informa- (3) Makers Development Services tion regardings the setting up of in- Ltd. dustries in district Morena, because in my view district Morena is a backward (4) Airofi! Papers Ltd. district and the entire House is aware of the hct that tbere are many problems (5) Gwalior Air Products. there because of its being a backward district. (6) Amar Forgings Pvt. Ltd. MR. SPEAKER Are the prob- (7) Morena MandaI Sehkari Shak· lems there only in your view or are the kar Karkhana. problems there actually ?

(8) M.P. Cellulose Pvt. Ltd. SHRI KAMMODILAL JATAV: I would, therefore. like to ask tbe Hon. (9) Sterling Malt and Food Pvt. Minister if a cement factory would be Ltd. set up at anyone of these places i.e. Pagara, Tithari or Gohra ? In addition to above large/medium Units there are 39 small scale indus- SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD trial units engaged in the ma nufacture KHAN: The Hon. Member has asked of Aluminium and Stainless Utensils. about the setting up of a new cemeDt Paints and Varnishes, Transformers, factory in district Morena, but I would Oxygen Gas, Cold Storages and Icc, like to tell him that a Cement Plant Castings, Marble Stone and Chips, with a capacity of 64.000 toooes is ~ Oral Answers VAISAKHA 3, 1901 (SAKA) Oral Answers 16 already working there and the quanturn a non-toxic herbal insecticide which of tbe established deposits ofJime-stone can prevent Bhopal type tragedies; is not so much as may justify the setting up of more than one cement plants (b) whether it is a fact that sucb there. Tbese deposi:s are sufficient to insecticide is first of its kind in the run only two Cement plants with a world; capacity of 8.8 million tonnes. Morena district falls in category ·C' of the (c) whether any research has been backward districts and at present there made by Government in this regard ; are nine large and medium scale indus- and tries which are working there. In addition, many small scale industries are (d) if so, the details thereof? alllo working there.

THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS SHRI KAMMODILAL JATAV: AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Hon. Minister has AND COMPANIES AFFAIRS (SHRI said that many large and small sca Ie VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) Mis. industries are already there, but it has Herringer Brights Research Inst itute, not so far been declared a backward Pune bas claim~d to have developed a district like Guna and Shivpuri. Would rwn-toxic chemical. The insecticidal the Hon. Minister soon declare properties have yet to be established by Morena as u backward area so that M / s. Herringer Brights Research Insti- more finailcia! aid from the Celltn: tute supported by published/authentic could be made available there? data. SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN: I have already said that dis- (b) No, Sir.. There are other trict Morena falls in category 'c' of insecticides also of botanical onglO the backward districts and the benefits ~ucb as Nicotine Sulphate, Pyrethrins, which should be available to 'C' cate- Rotenone, Ryania and Strychind in gory districts are already being pro- effective against a variety of insects. vided fO district Morena Nine large and medium scale industnes are already (c) No research has been done by working there. One Cement Plant is Gove!"nment in respect of this product. also working there. But industrial de .... elopment is primari ly the responsi- (d) Does not arise. bility of the State Government but even then the Central Government supplement tbe efforts of the State [Trans/ation] Government and such help is being SHRI BANW ARI LAL PUROHIT: provided by the Central Government in Mr. Speaker, Sir, there is contradiction this case also. between the report of a News Agency, the statement made by the Hon. Minis- [English] ter here and the clai"D of the Research Non-Toxic Herbal Inst'cticidc Dt'vclopcd Director of this company. because by Herringer Brigbts Rcsearcb Institute, the rtlsearch Director of the company Pune has said that researeh bas been carried out about it in the Sorum. Institute *548. SHRI BANW ARI LAL and it has been tested and they have PUROHIT: Will tbe Minister of cleared it also. In addition, it has CHEMICALS I.ND FERTILIZERS been tested in the laboratories of the be pleas~d to state: Central Government also··-. There- after, the State Government granted the (a) whether the Herringer Brights permisssion, but the C~ntral Govern- Research Institute, Pune has developed ment have not granted the permilision 1 j Oral Answers APRIL 23, 1985 Oral Answer" 12 so far. The director of the company it oot be recommendations of the Insecti- bas JeveJJed tbe most serious cbarge cides Board. which I qU(lte : [Translation] [English] SHRI BANW Ai.U LAL PUROHIT: There is trade secret in respect of many "He maintained that the govern- items. If a company manufactures an ment authorities had becn showing item. there are many things whicb a callous attitude towards his re- should not be disclo~ed to other competi. search as tbey were interested in tors. Your policy is that they should protecting the multi-nationals which disclose everything in full qetail. If had been dumping in the country any product is fouod to be satisfactory harmful pesticides banned by most in your test, what is tbe difficulty in deve loped coun tries." granting permission to start its production? I would like to say tbat jf tbere [Translation] is any hurdle. Government sbould reconsider this matter. F\)reign companies Such a serious charge has bl!en lire allowed to start production bere, levelled against Government. Is ita products are imported from tbem. There fact that our Government do not en· is no hindrance for tbem. but if a domes- courage a domestic company whicb has tic company makes any research here, done sucb great research? Th()y have it is asked to furnish full deta ils to sought permission, but permission has Government in tbe fi;st instance. The not been gunted by you. They Claim person who makes the research is afr~jd that the laboratry test has been under. that tbe secr~ts of bis research might taken in the JaboratorY of the Central Dot be. passed on by your Ministry to Government. The Hon. Minister third parties. I would like to know if should kindly state the factual position the Government would consider this in view of the claim of the company aspect. and the statement made by him. [English] VEERENDRA PATIL : [Englishl SHRI Under the Insecticides Act, certain SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL : After formalities have to be completed. The be develops an insecticide or any procedure itself is laid down in the Act commodity, if be wants to go into pro- aDd also in the rules. According to duction, according to the Insecticides that. the inventor who ha s invented Act, he has to approach the Government this insecticide, in order to get this in the Agricuhure Ministry. He bas insecticide registered, has to supply that appreached the Government in the information. The Hon. Member feels Agriculture Ministry for including that that he can claim it to be a trade secret insecticide in tbe Scbedule. The Board and cannot supply the information and which is constiated under the Act bas despil e bis not "ul)plying tbe informa- recommeded to the Agriculture Mini,s- tion, his insecticide sbould be registered . try for including it in the Schedule. Before We c

file in the Government Departments (b) whethor tbe functions/cells of about which other people cannot get tbis Headquarters are gradully being information, because many details are shifted out of West Bengals to places passed on ,even to foreign countries from like Kanpur, Hyderabad, Avadi, etc; your Department. If any trade secret is furnisbed on behalf of the company (c) if so, the reasons for this step and if that trade secret is passed on to which is not followed with regard to other companies, then the Company other regions ; and which bas made the research is deprived of the benefits. I would like to know if Government v,ould make any (d) whether the Rajadbyaksba arrangements under which permission Committee bad opposed decentralisation may be given to the company which in this spbere ? has done the research, so tiat its trade secret may not be leaked out to THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE others. (SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO) : ,a) Yes. Sir. SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL : Regislration and making of enny in (b) and (c): An officer of the rank the Schedule is the responsibility of the of Addl. DGOF has been functioning in Ministry of Agricultlife. That Minis- Kappur since 1969, for looking after try looks after it. I have already said the ordnance equipment group of fac- that a certain procedure has been laid tories. An officer of similar status has down in the Insecticides ACl 2nd anyone been functioning since 1984 at Avadi who wants to get his insec: icid e, drug to look after mainly the now projects or invention registered, has to complete at A-/adi and M.:-dak (near Hyderabad). tbe formalities under that procedure. Both these officers function under tbe overall supervision and control of DGOF If there is any trade secret, it should at Calcutta. be safeguarded under the Patents Act and it should be ensured under the law, (d) No, Sir. but if anybody wants to get his insecti. cide registerf'd under the Insecticides SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: The Act, he would huve to complete the reply given by the Hon. Minister only forma!it ies under the procedure laid cOHiirms what I am trying to elicit from down in the Act. If exemption is him through this question. 36 or so allowed in one case, every body would ordo;,nct; factories which are now in seek exemption. All the insecticides existence and which "re doing excellent have been registered so far, have been work are naturally loacated all over the registered after completing all the country and in different parts of the fOI malitlcs. They should also get them country. But it has always been the registered after completion the neces- practice t"at supervision and monitoring sary formalities. of these factories has been done by the central offic~ of what was formerly [English] culled the Director General of Ordnance Sbifting of Ordnance Factories Factories and DOW the Ordnance Fac- Board's Headqnarters from Calcutta tories Board located at Calcutta. Tbis is a sort of pilot office. It is responsi- *550. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: ble for monitoring and supervising Wi 11 the Minister of DEFENCE be every project, every ordnance project pleased to state: in the country.

(a) whether the ordnance Factories Now I wanted to know why this Board's Headquarters at Calcutta super- departure has been made from this prac- visos/monitors an new ordnance pro- tice. He has admitted here that a post Addl DGOF has been created anQ ht:) jects in tbe COUlltry i of 15 Oral Answtm APRIL 23; 1985 Oral Answers 16

has beeD functioning in Kanpur and placed diaectly under the MiDlster of later on in Avadi. Is it part of the Defence. We have not accepted that same establisment which was all these as yet but there is a point in what they years functiooing in Calcutta? My point say that the manufacture line in Kanpur is that if these addJ DGOFs are created is essentially not the same as in other and posted at preseot in two places and factories. Therefore. there is some. subsequently may be in more places it thing different there. You could have will be done-does it not mean that the it scooped out of the whole thing. We central headquarters established at have not yet accepted toat. But may be Calcutta from the time of the British is we will have to accept it in course of systematically being squ~ezed out and is time. being gradually whittled down and ultimately I do not know what will remain of it. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Sir, I am afraid the Minister is confUSing the issues. He says that the factories SHRY P.V. NARSIMHA RAO : No. are set- up in despersed ar eas and it is Sir. I can asur~ the Hon. Member that very difficult to run production from this was not the intention at all. In the Calcutta. Calcutta office is not meant intrests of efficient functioning and p,"rti. for running the production at all. It is cularly, when a factory starts work at obvious that production has be run by the field level it is necessary to decen- the management on the spot. This is the tralise this to some extent although the pilot office which has the specific obli- overall control and monitoring will still gation to supervise and monitor the continue to be at Calcutta. We would projects. They are not responsible for like to assure him that there is no running the fac[ories. What I am say- question of eroding either the <~utbority ing is for so many years these factories or the duties cast upon the Calcutta have been running with their own establishment. They will couatnue. But managements and only being supervised Hon. Member will appreciate th3t wh;,re and m(mitored from DGOF, Calcutta. factories are being established in very Never W:1S thero any complain that they far off nooks and corners of the country, were not functioning effir.iently because it is not possible to run these fJct0ries of that. from Calcutta. So I would request the Hon. Member to appreciate this fact that this ADGOFs office that has been e~;t;1- Sir, we are more apprehensive blished in Avadi-in the order it has been because we find the Ordnanc factories very clearly stated-will submit periodi- which are situated in West B~ngal which cal reports of the decisions taken by him are also under this office for years now in exercise of the delegated powers to not a single man is being recruited, the Calcutta office And no one c:m deny all who retire or go out or die their that in a situation like this certain places are not being filled up. No delegation of powers is absolutely essen- recircuitment is taking place. No tial. Otherwise It wi!! not be possible modrenisalion of m:.lchin(:ry is taking to run these factories on a day-to·day place. Gradually the whole estiblish- basis. That does not mean there is any ment-all these factories and DGOF erosion in the autbo~ ity or in the overall office - seems to be earmarked by the responsibility of the main office in government for gradually being d is- Calcutta. That will remain what it is. Integrated and reduced to nothing. So far as Kanpur is concerned I would Therefore. I want to know speCifically like to tell tbe Hon. Member that this from him that after setting up the has been there in existence before the DGOF offices at A vadi and Kanpur Rajadbyaksha committee came into which means a part of tbe establish- existence and the recommendations were ment at Calcutta has been shifted there, received from the committee. In fact what are their views now. Do they the committee said the Kanpur est a- propose to continue this process? Then bllshment should be taken out of the what will be left of the Calcutta purview of the Calctta establishment and office? 17 Oral AnsWl!rs VAISAKHA 3, 1907

SHRI P. V. NARSIMHA RAO: I administrative and organisational effi· would like to say in brief that in all ciency of the factories, it is very essen- this there has to he an amount of tial that the person who exercises the flexibility. W en a project is first con- competent financial authority. that il; ceived naturally the entire work of the Director General, is not to be loca- planning, getting foreign collaboration, ted so far away from the workers and etc. if necessary all the preliminary labourers thereby causing tremendous steps have to be done at one place and inconvenience and harassment to them, that is naturally at calcutta. But when but that he has to be located a factory actually starts at the field level in a central place. Will the HOIl. there are a number of decisioBs which Defence Minister be pleased to consi- will have to be taken at a level abov~ the der a suggestion that instead of Direc- level of tbe local mG-aager and tbost: tor General's Office being located in decisions canDot always in every case be Calcutta, it should be mJre centrally referred to Calcutta. That will no, located and the Additional Director make fur smJoth running of the fac:- G ~n erai, OrJnance Factori es can be tories there. So a certain amounl of located in Cillcutta ? decentr,disation has been conceived and MR. SPEAKER: Bhopal, I think. that not with any deteriment to lh·: suitable; it is in Madhya Pradesh. overall control. Control is O:le thing and supervision is another thing. TJcs,,: SHin P. V. NARASI\1HA RAO : two are conceptually different. So, have tried to tackle thi! probl~m in supervision at the local level. at a kv;;l a b_llanced mano.:r. There is SOID.!- which is close to the factory becom;;~ thlDg which needs to be doae. to be absolutely necessary at some point of monitored are controlled centrally. time d<)wn the line, Therefore, this is There are very many functions which being done according to the needs. J have to be done at field level and some would like to assure the Members that functions at a Jeve! above the manage- there is no question of any erosion. It ment level. So these are being done is quite possi ,Ie that in some cases according ~o tbe exigencies of th.: situ.I- tbose who are found surplus after the tion. Some flexibility, as I said, nced5 preliminary planning is over and if there 10 be maintained. is a cell in Calcutta and that cell is over-staffed they are liable to be tran,,- SHRI PRIY A R -\NJ \N DAS ferred all over the country. ThereL)re, MUNSI: May I know from the if sume are transferred to some other Minister, in view of the fact lbat de. place for better functioning of tbose centralisation in many parts of ordnance units this should not be taken as .. o factories is on whether the capacity of erosion of the authority ('r the functions tho Ishapor.: Rifle factory and the of the Calcutta office. That will conti- Ksahipur gun and shell ordnance factory nue, as I said, as bef:Jre. of Bengal will be expanded to thJ extent that Calcutta office C'1n talce care, SHtU AJAY MUSHRAN Sir, of both things as tbe)! have dJne It about 200 years ago the DGOfl WdS earlier? Is tbe Minister aware that established in Calcutta because most of numoer of defence componeot5 are th.! ordnance activities revolved around being manufdctured in various public Calcutta or about 150 miles surrounding sector undertakings and pu!>lic sector it. units in West B:mgal, til it is almost 80 and 90 per cent? M,lY I know whjther Over the years, large number of directly the DOOF will monilor those ordinance factori es and installations things instead of bringing them .0 Delhi have come up in Central India. Not to obtain orders? only in Kanpur but in Jabalpur also where approximately 80,000 workers SHRI P.V. NARASIMHA RAO: are employed in various ordnance fac- It needs a separate qu~stion. I wi I lories producing various items of basic not be able to give an a(u,y~f straigllt- defence m:eds. Beside.. managerial, . way to that. .9 (hal An.nrers APRIL 25, 1985 Oral Ans~,s 20

SHRI INORAJIT GUPTA: The ls?elled under the generic D3mes zdong papers of the HOD. Minister's report - I with the brand names, jf any. have checked up with other Members also-are all coming to pieces. It (dl Nalional Drugs and Pharma~ wu'd not be like the DGOF in Cal. ceuticals Development Council had cutta. Some proper binding should be dra,,:o. up a list of 95 priol j!y drugs. ~one. This is probablY some indica- ~edlCJneS required by the large majo- tioA of the times (0 come. rHy of the people for tbe most common diseases ItnO~tl including those required Essential Drugs List by the National Health Programmes are in~lud~d in this list. Government i~ *552. SHRIMATI GEETA seIzed of the matter regarding further MUKHERJEE: Will tbe Minister of pf(l~ess.ing of th·";! re\'iew of tbe Drug CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be Polley Including the qUtlstion of priority pleased to state: drug list.

(a) wether t he medicines of diffe- SHRIMATI GEET A MUKHERJEE: rent brand names in Indian m:nkcts are The Hon. Minister has Tf'ally circum. often permutations and combinations scribed my question in has answer. My of about 400 bulk drugs; question was whether tbe medicines of (b) wetber these are often used for different brand names in Indian markets are often permutations and combinations artificials pushing up of drug prices; of about 400 bulk drugs, with very Cc) if so, wbetber Government are little ~ariaticns, really iott'oded to push considering a proposal for insisting on up pnces, and these are being practised generic names of the drugs as used in by th~ drug companies. Now, the W.H.O. publications; and answer is this. He has said that there arc SOO bulk drugs. Very good. Ahctlt pushing up the prices, his answer is (d) ,""h~tber Government propose this. He say "The prices of m{'st medi. to prepare an Essential Drug List? cines are stuwtorily controlled under the D u~, (Pflce<; Control) Order] 979. THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS Please m·1 k the ne,.l. senten;;e. 'Imple- AND FERTIL17ERS AND INDUSTRY mentation ()f the Drugs (Price'S Contro!) AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI Order emures that prices are fair botb VEERENDRA PATIO: (a) to (d): !o the comumers 2nd to the indu'ltry. A Statement is laid on the T:lble of the I would like to know whether vou Lok S[:hha. consider prices to be fair to the co~

(c) According to the Dmgs and MR. SPEAKER: I have never Cosmetics Rules, single ingredient pre- taken crocin and I do not know Wh.lt "arations al e alrendy required to be it is. 21 Oral Answer" VAISAKHA 3, 1907 (SAKA) O,al AruweTl 22

AN HON. MEMBER: You take Price Control Order. If the HOD. Ayurvcd ic medicines. Member is suggesting about the medicines which are not price controlled, SHRIMATI 'GEETA MUKHER- then I have nothing to say because they JEE : Now, the po:nt is that tbele is a are not controlled by the Price Control yay little vaiiation of the bu:k drug in Order. So far as thC" price controlled th~ formulation process. tbu': is between drugs are concerned, every time in paracetam,)j and crocio and this pushes order to increase the price or for up the price by 25% or liO. reviewing the prices, in certain drugs the prices are increased and io certain MR. SPEAKER: You nave DOW drugs prices are decreased also. If you bt:comes a fuli~fledged doctor. compare the wholesale price index of other commodities with the wholesale SHRI\1A11 GEETA 1\.1 UKHER- price index of the drugs, you will see JEE : I am a paD-medical staff and a that the price index of drugs is mucb P.R.O. in lui, organisation. Now. lower than the price iode:.; of other Sir, ht:re- r e has mt:otioned about the items. So. it is not correct to say that pri,:es u:1d';,r the Drug Control Order. drug prices are increasing enormously. The point i~ that 40,000 formulations at t: ti',~re. Ou: of those, about 500 SHRIMATI GEETA "MUKHER- drugs '>.'lith a little variation, are' JEE : I am sure that is Dot tbe correct maouLcturd. I would Lke to know reply to my question. We can discuss from the H m. Minister that with this that point later. Now. my second part linie v.lri<:riDfl. whether it is not a fact of the question is : whether the Govern- th:u the prices are very much high for meat proposes to prepare a list show- tlle~e m\:dicj,!~s If it is higher, I would ing the essential drugs. As yOU know. like to know from the Hon. Minister tbe World Health Orgrnisation has whether that [(.!aiiy ensures the consu- suggested to all the countries that they nlti to get them at fair prices. bring out a list showing the essential drugs. Even the small countries like SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL: I Bangladesh and Sri Lanka - whatever would like to explaia the p0.ition liku ill':;y be the situation there now-were this. Ir i;; true that there are about asked to prepare a list_ Now, in 500 bulk drugs. Out of these bulk answer to this question, the HOD. ..li ugs, the formulatioo are for more Minister says that the National Drugs th"n 20,000. But all drugs are not and Pharmaceutical Development Coun- controlkd. 75% of the drugs are price cil had drawn up a list of 95 priority \.:Cutrolled because the policy of tbe drugs. I would like to know why this Government is to see that only essential new nomenclature of priority drugs drugs and life-saving drugs should instead of very essential life-saving drug come under this price Control Order. is included in the list. I would like For all these drug.,;, for fhation of the to know from the Hon. Minister whe- prices. for revision of the prices, it is ther the Essential Drugs List will be nOl left to the whims and fancies of the drawn up immediately and I would also manufacturers. They have t:> I:!pproach like to know why it has not been drawn the- Ministry arid also the Bureau of up till now. despite toe long-Dendi!.)& Industrial Costs and prices ,'nd they recommendation of the Hatbi Commi- have to giw all the data that are ttee. required, and on their recommendation, the Ministry takes the decisi0n. With- SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL Sir, out our approval, so far a" the price I would like to explain to tbe Hon. control drugs are concerned, no manu- Member that so far a<; priority drugs facturer can increase the price or suo are concerned, all essential drugs and motu unilaterally can do whatever he Iife-savioK drugs do come uo"er tbo wants with regard to the drugs that h'! priority drags. I do not tno.w why ~b~ is manufacturing, because there is a Hon. Member is objectin& tp th

(c) what is the utility of these in the field of Hindi. The publication publicati"Ds if they are published so of these journals was started with this later? end in view, but due to delayed publication of these journals, quotations [English] cannot be giveu from these journals and Hindi cannot be used this field as all the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN facilitics are not available. The govern- THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND ment money also goes waste. The HOD. JUSTICE): (SHRI H. R. BHARA- Minister should inform fhe House DWA) : (a) and (c): It is true that there whether this work bas been calrused to ha Vf'l been delay in the pub I icatiou of such an incompetent officer. Patrickas by the Vidhi Sahitya Prakashan of the Legislative Department and that such delays affect the utility of tbe SHRI H. R. BHARADWAJ: Sir, publications. The whole mat ter has it is not all correct they any such been reviewed and a new scheme has officer is working the ref who does not bt:en evolved to ensure that the Patrikas have the knowledge of law and that of the cover as recent judgments as possible. lannuage. I w0uld like to tell the Hon. Steps have been taken to ckar the Member that I had arranged two meet- backlog separately by expedi [ing the ings with the offic;als of this Depart- publication of the volumes sea, for ment in this regard. One of the meet- printing and for covering the old Cdses ings was held on 12th March. 1985 in whIch remain to be covered separately. which Members of' Lok Sabha and Rajya Simultanecusly, new volumes of the Sabha had also participated. As for Patrikas would be devoted to coverage the officers whom I had m~t, I found of recent judgments. The volume of them to be competent officers. They the Uchchatma Nyayaiaya Ninaya had good knowledge of both the law as Patrika released in March, 1985 under well as the language. I am happy to the scheme covers cases decided during say tbat as a result of the :.lction taken tbe period 15th December, 1984 to 14th by me, journal brought out in last January, 1985 and adequate arrange- March has covered the judgements deli- ments have been made to ensure that vered till the month of January where- continuity of this cycle in tbe publica- as the journals in 1982 and in 1983 tion of the Supreme Court decisions. were behind the schedule by 3 months and in 1984 by 7 months. Hon. Mem· bers would be happy to know that a lot (b) The expenditure incurred on of improvement has been brought about the printing of tb.: P.ltrikas WJS 4.64 in this regard. Two reasons were lakhs approximately. This does not responsible for this irregularit)·. First, include the administrative expenses. the jud~ements of the Supreme Court were in English and b3d to be translated [Translation] into Hindi. Secondly, this journal was SHRI NARESH CHANDRA being printed in the Government of CHATURVEDI : I would like to ask India Press. It was printed there as tbe Hon. Minister whtther the officer per its turn there. Now, the Govern- under whom this work is being under- ment Printing Press has given us per. taken. has neither the knowledge of Jaw mission to priot it in the private sector. nor that of the language and perhaps I am fully confident that the corrective tha t is the reason why neitber is the measures. which have been taken would translation up to the mark nor are the remove the back log and their publi- publications, brought out in time, cation would also be improved. whereas it is the intention of the Govern- ment that the authorised Hindi version SHRr NARESH CHANDRA of the rulinKs etc. of the judges of CHATURVEDI : I would like to ask High Courts and the Supreme Court the Hon Minister what the arrange- could be quoted by the people working ment for its editing is. In my view, if 21 Oral Answers APRIL 23. 1985 Orat AlUwera 28

there is no proper ed;.ting, the meaning [English] is not correctly c:mveyed in tbe other langlldge. The persons who are asked to THE MINISTER OF STATE OF translate these journal translate them, THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICA- but until its editing is done properly, TIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS there cannot be uniformity in the MIRDHA) : (:I) Two small

*559. SHRI BALKAVI BAIRAGI : SHRI RAM NIW AS MIRDHA : Will the Miaisli:f \)f COMMUNICA- Mr. Speaker, Sir, the first excbange nONS be p·leased to state: was started ift Sector I on 31st March, 1984 and the second excbange was started in sector Iron 31 March, 1985. (a' the time by whi:.;h a telephone T here is a proposal to start yet another excbJ.nge is likely to be set up in tbe exchange of 200 lines this year, which industrial town Preetbampur, wh'ch is would be connected to Indore instead of developing fast ili Obar district of Mhow as suggested by tbe Hon. Madhya Pradesh ; and .Member.

(b) whether the maio e.:hange of the SHRI BALKAVI BAtRAGI: I proposed exchange wiil be in Indore? would like to express my thanks for the .", VAISAltliA:4, '1901 (SAKA) Oral Answers ,~} . same, but if the other two eltchanges pleased to str: te ; which are connected via Mhow are directly connected to Indore, it would (a) the various categories of persons lead to r,pid development of that area to whom LPG al'cnd:s :'nd PI!' rot and I would be grateful to you (or the pumps are allottt'd ; same.

(b) whether social workers are also SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: Sir, benefited in this regard ; and all the exchanges, would be connected to Indore. (c) if so. the numbl!f of social workers allotted petrol pumps in SHRI BALKAVI BAIRAGI: Many Maharasbtra during thl: last three tbanks to you, Sir. years '!

SHRIMA TI USHA VERMA: Mr. Speaker. Sir, I would like t(' a&k the THE MINISTER 0:-: STATE OF ~ HOD. Minister if there is any programme THE ~MINISTRY OF PETKOLEUM to replace those boards of the exch:tngc:-:. (SHRI :--IAWAL KfSHORE SHARMA): which are not functioning properly'! (a) Presently 70% of the dealerships of petroleu"ll products are allotted bv the oil comp,.mies to Scheduled Castes'/ MR. SPEAKER: It is a rOlatine Scheduled Tribes, Unemplcy~d Gradu:l~ affair. tes, Physica!ly Handicapped and Free- dom Fighters and the remaining 30% to SHRIMATI USHA VERMA: I otbers. blve written many time about Lakhim- pur Kberi that the exchange there is Dot functioning properly. I wou:d like to (b) There is no specific reservaticn ask tbe Hon. Minister what action is for Social Workers in the existing being taken to set it rigbt immediately? guidelines which gov;:r;l appointment of dealers. Any applicz,tioiis from such MR. SPEAKER : He would get it persons, if eligible under the guide- l'one. Iir;es, are considend on merits in accorduoGe with the prescribed procedure. [Englislr] SHRI CHIRANJI LAL SHARMA: Will the Hon. Minister kindly let u, (c) Since there is no separate know whether exchanges which are reserv~lion for Social Workerf', no complete in all respect"; will be com- statistks are maintained by tbe oil ~l,mp.lni l'S in respect of dealerships missioned or not? For instance, I am awarded to tbem. !- quoting the example of the P.ancbkula Exchange which is complete in all res- pects. SHRI JAGANNATH PATrNAIK: Sir, in the last pJ.rt of the reply it is MR. SPEAKER It does not fall mentioned tb3.t the rema!ning 3iJ per wifhia this question. cent of tbe dealerships are allotted to ·others'. I would like to know whether Allotment of LPG Agencie~ and ex-servicemen are included in Ihis Petrol Pumps to Sorial Workl'rs. categ

about the ex-servicemen. or course, (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): ex-servicemen are included if they are (a) No, Sir. physically handicapped. If they are not physically handicapped, of course (b) and (c) ; Do D(lt arille. they have to come on merit. SHRIMATI PHULRENU GUHA : So far as the question of considering We are DO: able to understand why the the sportsmen is concerned, I think this answer to tbe question is '

MR. SPEAKER: Shrimate Pulrenu SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: He has Gaha. Next question. not got the rcpo"ts from the papers, though you might have got. SHRI RAJESH PILOT: I want to ask a supplementary on that question. SHRI SATY \GOPAL MISRA: You are correct. Drilling work is going on. MR. SPEAKER: We have passed that. SHRIMATI PHULRENU GUHA: Drilling is going on. All my friends SHRI RAJESH PILOT: It is a from Midnapore will agree with me. very important question; I was raising the hand. you did not see. It is PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: important. It is underground drilling

MR. SPEAKER: May be; that I MR. SPEAKER: Can drilling be agree with yoo. above ground ?

Employment of Persons in Oil Drilling Work at Midnapore, West SHRI NA WAL KISHORE Bengal SHARMA : It looks as though there is some confusion regardhg the drilling going 00 in Midoapore district. The >! 561. SHRTMATI PHULRENU question is specific and it ili only with GURA : Will the Minister of PETRO- LEUM be plr-ased to state : regard to Nandigram. Therefore, the reply is that so far as Nandigram is concerned, there is no drilling going 011 (a) whether drilling for oil is going and th~refore the reply is in the Oli in Nandigram of district Midnapore negative. Of cours.:, in Midllapore in West Beng~1 ; district there are some places where drilling is going on. Therefore. th:lt (b) if so, the type of persons m'ly be th,;: reason for .some confusion. getting jobs there ; and SHRI SATYAGOPAL MISRA: (c) whether the people whose land Nandigram is within my constituency. ,is acquired are getting priority for I have seen with my own eyes that jobs '! driiling is going on there.

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF SHRIMA TI PHULRENU GUHA : THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM Yes; c1rillios is going 00 th:;re. 33 Written Answers VAISAKHA 3, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 34

SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY : (a) whether Government have Actu ally, drilling is taking pl ace in appointed Justice Jaswant Singh Com- Nandigram, and the Hon. Minister mission to go into the question of say~ that drilling is taking place in establishment of permanent benches of some places in Midnapore district. High Courts in cases \\

The question was only with regard (c) the remedial steps being taken to Nandigram and therefore the infor- by Government to give relief ? mation which is available with me is with regard to Nand igram. If they THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS want further information I require AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUS- notict. I would certainly give and also TRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS come forward to supply the information (SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL) : (a) as required by the Hon. Member. No, Sir. MR. SPEAKER : The Question Hour is over. (b) and (c) : Do n~ arise.

WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS New Licences for Light Commercial Vehicles and Fuel Efficient [English] Passenger Cars Interim Report of Jaswant Singh Commission *554. SHRI PRATAP BHANU *549. SHRI D. K. NAIKAR : SHARMA Will the Minister of Will the Minister of LAW AND INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AF- 1USTICE be pleased to state : FAIRS be pleased to state : ~~ Written Answers : APRIL 23, 1985 Written Answers 3&

(a) the number of new licences (d) the number of companies which have gr~nted for light commercial vehicles started their production till March, 19851 and fuel efficient· passenger cars during the Slx,h Five Year Plan period; THE MINISTER OF CHEMIcALS AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUS- (b) the names and other details TRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS thereof; (SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL) : (a) and (b): T be following companies were (c) whether all the companies have granted licences for manufacture of entered into foreign collaboration for light commercial vehicles aDd passenger te~hoical know-bow; and cars during the VIth Plan period :-

Name of Company Item Annual capacity

. 1. Maruti Udyog Ltd. Passenger cars and 1,40,000 light utility vebicles

2. DCM-Toyoto Ltd. Light Commercial 15,000 vehicles

3. Allwyan-Nissan Ltd. -do- 10,000

4. Eicher Motor Ltd. -do- 12,000

5. Swaraj Mazda LId. -do- 10,000

6. Sipani Automobiles Pas~engcr cars. 3,000 Ltd. (R egistered)

(c) Yes, Sir. (c) haw long the reserves of crude petroleum discovered so far sh<111 be (d) Sipani Automobiles, Maruti able to lait ? Udyog Ltd. and Allwyn Nissan Ltd. units had started production by March, THE MINISTER OF STATE OF 1985. THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): Crude Petroleum Rescnes (a) Yes, Sir.

*556. SHR! VIDHI CHANDER (b) About 144 million lonnes. JAIN: Will the Minister of PETRO. LEUM be pleased to state: (c) At the current rate of production reserves may last about 17 (a) whether in the Si~th Five years. However, more reserves are Year Plan, it bas been mentioned that expected to be added in the meantime. the existing crude petroleum res"erves of our country will lost only up to the Telephone Facilities to Retired year 1996 ; Government Employees *557. SHRI LAKSHMAN ,(b) if so, the extent of additional MALLICK: Will the Minister of reserves discovered after publication of COMMUNICA nONS be pleased to, the Si31h Plan t au

(a) whether there is any proposal being given to District Headquarters under the consideration of Government and other large manual exchanges for extend telephone facility to retired automatisation. Kolgbat is not COD-' employees of the Union Government on vered by the automatisation programme· demand; and during 6th plan.

Setting up of Automatic Telephone (b) if so, the details thereof? Exchange at Bal880re and Bhadrak

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF *562. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA:. THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICA- Will the Minister of COMMONICA~ TION (SHRI RAM NI WAS TIONS be pleased to state: MIRDHA): (a) No, Sir. (a) whether automatic telephone (b) Does not arise in view of (a) exchanges are under construction at above. Balasore and Bhadrak in Orissa;

Improvement in TelecoMmonitation (b) if so, the time limit for comple- System in TamIuk: and ((oI.gbat tion of these project; (West Bengal) (c) when these automatic telephone *558. SHRI SATYAGOPAL exchange will start functioning; MISRA : Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to (d) the reasons for delay ; and state: (e) tbe capacity of these ex- (a) whether there is any proposal changes? to improve the present telecommunication system in Tamluk and KoJagbat THE MINISTER OF STATE OF of Tamluk Sub-Division, Midnapore THE MINISTR Y OF COMMUNICA- District, West Bengal; TIONS (SHRl RAM NIW AS MIRDHA): (a) to (c): Automatic exchange at Bhadrak was commissiQDed (b) if so. the details thereof; and on 29-3-1985 while work of installation of automatic exchange at Balsore is in (c) if not, the reasons therefor? progress and is likely to be completed in 1985-86. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICA- (d) The exchange at Balasore ~uld TIONS (SHRI RAM NIW AS Dot be completed due to short: supply MIRDHA): (a) TamJuk is proposed of automatic switching equipment." to be upgraded to an aatomatic exchange by the end of 7th Plan. There (e) The capacity of Bhadrak. a- is no proposal so far to automatise the change is 500 lines. The capacity of Kolaghat EX'Jhange. Balasore on completion will be 000 lines. Both these exchanges are of' (b) A 300 line automatic MAX-II MAX-II type. exchange is planned for Tamluk for which land is bei.1g acquired from the [Translation1 .. local administration. It is expected 10 Waiting List For New TelephOne '. be commissioned by the end of 7th CoooectlQDS in Gujarat plam. *593. SHRI NARSINH MAI{:- ~ WANA: Will the Minister . of I' (c) Due to shortage of automatic COMMUNICATIONS be pleltSed to equipment in the country. Priority is slate; A.PJUL 23, 1985

(~ tho amber of pctsons on th e Oujarat and the demand of wbieb is w"'i.. lilt for telephone connections likely to be progressively met dadol in AJuntdabac1, Baroda, Ankleshwar, 1985·86 subject to availability of Sarat. Vapi, SufCIl4cr Nagar. Jamoaaar. resources. llajkot, Porbandar and Bbavnalar in Gularat ; [English]

(b) the time by which theentire wait- Take over of Sick Distilleries iDg Jiu will be covered and the action bema ~kcn in tbis regard ; and *564. SHRI Y. S. MAHAJAN: Will the Minister of CHEMICALS (c) the number of requests recieved AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to for ,*niog of new telephone encballge state: in Gujarat aDd the time by which the demand will be met 'l (a) wbether there is any proposal under consideration of Government to TIlE MINISTER OF STATE OF take over sucb distilleries as are oot THE MINlSTRY OF COMMUNICA- lunning profitably due to mal.practices TIONS

4. &arat 19.129 (b) No, Sir. As per preseot policy there is already a ban 00 creation of Vapi 716 s. additional capacity for potable alcohol. 6. Surendra Nagar 460 Proposals for manufacture of industrial alcohol are. however; considered 00 7. .-..agar 599 merits taking into aceOllat the availability of molasses. 8. Rajtot 7353 ,. Pertmndar 182 Legislation en "Strl llIaao" li). Mhnaagar 2097 ·565. SHRI N. DENNIS: Will ------_ the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE (b) The present waiting list is likely be pleased to state : to be cleared progressively during the 7th plan by oxpandinl the existing (a) wbethm- it is a fact that in ODe tolepboae ncbaaJes wberC\"Cf feasible of their rCQIIDt judgements, tbe Supremo and by opedin, new excbanges, subject Court laid down that dowry bclonp to to .vaUahn"" eI eflDiPlDOOt, cable and bride as it is 'Stri Dhao' recognised ,in other materia\&. Hindu law ; and

(c) 23 requests are pending Car (b) if so, whether GovecDmmt ,prq,. opeaing of new telephone excbanges in pose to bring forward suitable logisla- Hon to Ii" elfect to the sai4 JDdle- (d) whether there is 801 IBonUotiog ment 1 "Rem for cbeckioa ,be wortiog of .. Bach_., Rom time to time ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUS- (0) if 10. tbe details tboleef ; and TICE ($HRI H. R. BHARDWAJ) : (a) Recently (12.3.198S), tbe Supreme (0 if not, the reasons therefor ? Court held in PrtJIhlba Rat Y8. S"llj ~, anti QIf(),he, tbat Nelents, arti- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF cles or other property giVltB to a ltride THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICA- at or about tbe time of tbe marriage TIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS belona to her absolatel, where (as in MIRDHA): (a) No. Sir. Only com- tbe iDataat case) she is a Hindu _ plaints about r~de bcbaviour of telo- would be ber 'stri dhan', and that in phone operators are occassienal, regard to tbe stridban property of a teedved. married woman, even if it is placed in tbe custody of ber husband or i,u-laws. they would be deemed to be trustees (b) Action is taken againllt errina and bound to return tbe lame if and officials. wben demanded by her. The court also held that where the husband or (c) 70 Tel.ephooe Operators arc any relation of his misappropriates such working-Ie from 197J, 25 from Ins property or refuses to hand it over to and 3S from :1978. her and converts it to bis own use, a complaint for an offence under section (d) Yea, Sir. 405/406, Iodia Peaal Cede (Cri.inal broacb of trUllt) -...Jell lle. (e) Tbe functioning of telephoae system ill be)1tI monitored ·from tifJ1e t. (b) Tllc aforesaid judgment of tbe time by tbe officers at local aad Cirole Supreme Court is by way of iatelipre- levels. \lNioo of existu,S law. UJlder 8(ticle 141 of the COQs.UtutiOD, t~e law laid Circle is monotoring trunk services ~'n by the SlIPtc.QIe Court is bindia8 daily and functioning of loea 1 telepltooe ()fl _I ~1Ut. withip tbe tcrritQfY of system montbly throulJb M anagcmeat 1Qdia. Tberdorc. 110 l.QaislA~i,oD is Information &yetem (MIS) indicaton. ~e~ary for .vina eifect to the .ajd Telephone .,.tCl'Q i8 allO inapacbMi jud ..c:at. periodieally ." diftonnt lovel "ra.

....ioIIioa of Ubaaawar T.eI."Me (f) Question does Dot arise in riew lacllMle of reply at (c) and (d) above.

*566. DR. G. S. RAJHANS: Mlnse of Telepilooe5 Will the Minist« of COMMUNICA- "ONS be !)leasc41 .0 Mate: 3996. DR. G. VIJAY A RAMA RAO: Will tbe Miaister of COM- (a) whether Government .lIue re- MUNICA nONS be pleased to .tate : ceived complaints reBa'" ma'4uoc- tioning of Bhagalpur Telephoac Ea- (a) whether it is a faet tbat ..., change in Bihar; officers and Itaff of the Department arc h¥iQJ .are t~ one telc;phQne both tb-) if -. ~ _pa ,.tItCUl Ml tbis at ..,.. and ofke8 ; retaN ; tb) if to, tIM: oumbtv of ,ucb Ita!' lc) the number of opentors w«fI. in the country aDO t,l\e to.tal a~aal inl in tbe Eachan,e aod ,ioce when; clIPOnditure incurred tborcon ; .43 Written Answet's APRIL 23. 1985 Written Answetl 44

(c) whether it is also a fact that (b) if so, tbe present position or despite' this. maj(,"lrity of the statI listed the above prop03aJ ; in the Directory, do not respond to the telephone calls from subscribers aad jf (c) whether government are aware so, corrective steps proposed in this that invariably supavisory staff in regard; and spIlcial services are missing from their seats and 00 ringing them, aLer falling (d) whether Government propose to get response from 198/199 etc., it to impose cumulative fines on the staff is found that the same person attends for misuse of telephones of sub,cribcrs to supervisors caBs; through diversion of phone calls deli- berately? (d) whether it is a fact that tbe senior stnff listed are invaritably absent; THE MINrSTER 6F STATE OF anu THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICA- TIONS (SHR I RAM NIWAS (e) whether Government propose to MIRDHA): (a) Yes, Sir. The tele- re-organise tbe entire system to make phone connect ions are sanctioned for it really affective? staff of the Department of Telecom- munications, who deal largely with tele- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF phone based services for carrying out THE MINISTRY OF COM MUNICA- their duties. These are sanctioned on nONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS the basis of requirements of work. MIRDHA): (a) No, Sir.

(b) would be quite difficulty to It (b) No compensation is afforded collect the information from all over for telephones remaining out or order. the country of t be number of such staff This is due to the fact that the exchange and the annual expendhure within a indoor equipment and the outdoor reasonable time. plant remains reserved for the same telephone and the maintenance staff (c) No. Sir. It is not correct to attends to and repairs the fault as early say tbat the staff do not respond to as possible. If a telephone is disconnec- telephone calls from subscribers. ted on administrative c>onsiderations, no rental is charged. For telephones, which (d) Provision of disciplinary action art: closed for sbifting to a different against a defaulting official alreadY lo<:ality and cannot be shifted due to exists under the Central Civil Services the inability of the Departm ent (e.g, (Classification, Control aod Appeal) for want of cable pair or capacity in Rules the exchange etc.), rebate in rentar is granted if the telephone is not shifted Compensation to Telepbone Subscribers within 15 days.

3997. SHRJ M. RAGHUMA (c) No, Sir. However, sometimes REDDY: when adequate number of supervisory SHRI SRIHARI RAO : staff are not available due to absence or shortages, their telephoD;! calls are Will the Minister of COMMUNI- answered by other staff present in the CATIONS be pleased to state: exchaoge.

(a) whether government had given (d) and (e): The senior staff listed an assurance during the Stlventh Lok are usually available on their number. Sabha concerning the proposal to com- They might not be available sometimes pepsate 'telephone subscribers whose if thoy are busy attendiag to other telephones remalD dead; wort, meetings or on inspection duties. 4S Written A1I3wer.f· VAISAKHA 3,,1907 ($AKA) Written Answers 4n

However. their calls an: attended by COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to their personal staff in such cases. They sta te.: are required to be available between 3·4 p.m. every day ilJ their offices for (a) whether some State Government meeting the public wi hout prior enterprises are found guiJy of violation appointment. of the Central guidelines regard ing equity structure in joint sector pro- [Translation 1 jects ; Assistance to Junior Advocates (b) if so, the action taken against 3998. SHRI VlJA Y KUMAR such State Government enterprises; YADAV: Will the Minister of LAW and AND JUSTICE be pleased to state: (c) the details of such enterprises? (a) whether Government propo~e to enact some Central legislation for pro· THE MINISTER OF STATE IN viding assistance to junior advocates to THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY improve their economic condition and AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI if so, the details thereof ; and ARIE MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) to (c): Government have issued guide- (b) whether it is also a f,ict that lints regarding the pattern of share- junior advocates throughout the country holding and disposal of equity holdings have been demanding for a long time in projects, promoted by State Indus- the introduction of a welfare scheme trial Development Corporations for and financial assistance from Govern- setting up projects in the Joint Sector. ment and if so, Governments reaction Wherever, a pr oposal is received from thereto? any State IDC for amendment of a l"tter of intent or industrial licence, in THE MINISTER OF ST A TE IN favour of a Joint Sector Project, it is THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUS~ considered in accordance with the pres- TrCE (SHRI H. R. BHARDWAJ): (a) cribed guidelines. Under sections 6 and 7 of the Advoca- tes Act, 1961 the State Bar Councils Freezing of Telephone Excbange in and tbe Bar Council of India respecti- Delbi vely are empowerrd to constitute one or more funds for the purpose of giving 4000. SRRI NARAIN CHAND financial assistance to organise welfare PAR ASHAR : Will the Minister of schemes for the indigent, dIsabled or COMMUNICA TIONS be pleased to other Advocates. At present no fresh st ate: proposal for kgi~lation is ur.der C0nsi- duation of the Government. (a) whether some tt"lephone exchanges in Delhi Telecom. Circle have (b) Government is aware of de- been frozen and any new connection/ mands made on behalf of junior Advo- shifting of telephone connections of such cates for 'Providing them assistance in exchanges have been stopped; several a~pects. Government is considering to appoint a committee to make in-depth study into the matters relating (b) if so, the hames of these Ex- to social security of the members of changes and the date from which these the bar. have been frozen and the likely date by which these wculd be defrozen ; [English] Equity Structure in Joint Sector (c) whether any relief is possible or Projects bas been granted for emerg~ncy purposes and the connection/shifting allow· 3999. SHRI SOMNATH RATH: ed in such Exchanges during the period Will the Minister of INDUSTRY.t\NO thes e were frozen; and APRil. 11, HtJ

(.) if Ret, the reasons therefor aDd TIONS (SHRt RAM NJWAS tbe steps taken by the felecom. Aath•. MfRDHA): (a) Yes. Sir. rities to provide relief and remove the eJltremc ioconvenieoce cauled to tho sablcr...-s OD these IJCOte 'I (~Tao following tclepboae 0&- cbanges of the Delhi telepbone .,s-t •• THe MINISTER OF STATE OF have been declared frozen from tbe THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICA· dates inJicated against each:

(i) Rajouri Garden August, 1983

(ii) Delhi Cantt. 2.4.1985

(iii) Nangloi 12.4.1984

(iv) Shakti Nagar August, 1984

(v) Sbabdara (21,24) I.J.1984

(vi) Sbahdara (20) 2.4.1984

(vii) Sbabdara (86) 2.4.1985

( viii) Hauz Kbas November, 1984

(ix) Okhla August, 1983

It would be possible to accommo- new connections and telepbones OD shift· date telephones on shifting and to pro- ing are permitted io such exchages. vide new connections in tbose cxcbanacs on expansion of certain exchanges and (d) In order to provide relief to commissioning of Dew exchanges as per subscribers of tbese cKcbances. txpan- the details given is the Annexture sion of certain excbanges and corn- whicb is bid on the Table of tbe misswning of new exchaogts in Delhi House. telephone system has beeD plannod as per details given in the attached Stat~. (c) In some exceptional cases, de- ment, which is laid on tbe Table of the pending upon tbe marits of the case, House.

Statement SIQt~meRt showing Ih~ d~tails of expilllsion programme for Deihl Tdephl'"es System from 1984-85 10 J987·88

S. No. E&change Code No. of linea (in tboasandl)

1 2 3 4

ExJHl1lS"'" 0Ifd Com,,"ulonlng P,ogromm~ for 1984-8' :

1. S~n. Bbawail lOJ 10.0 2. Kidwai Bhawaa 133J JO.O ) New Exchanacs 49 Wrl't~1I A",,_rs V AISAIWA, 3, ,1.907..(S..4Kt!) "JY.rlM.tJ __rof ,,50

1 2 ~ ..

3. _Cbaukyapuri-I 6'1 .l.O "1 - 4. .Janapatb.I1 32 1.0 I s. -Til Hazari 2S1/2~2 2.0 -I . 6. BaUahbaarb 88 1.5 I ) 7. LumI;;,Nqar 24 0.3 ~ Eapansion 8. Janskpuri SS 0.3 I 9. Narcla 89 0.1 I 10. ~ja',arb 806 0.2 I 11. Badli 802 0.2 ,_J

Expalulon and Commi.fsianfng Progromme for 198$-86 :

1. Nehru Place III 643 "JOrO ") '- 2. Kaoot· 8agh.IV 572 100 I 3. RaJouri Gardcn-V 532 10.0 I 4. Nohru Place-1I1 644 10.0 ~ New Exchangos .; S. Rajouri Garden-III 541 10.0 I 6. Tis Hazari·IV 292. 10.0 I 7. 'Idaah.III 73 18.0 J 8. BaJlabbgarh 88 0.3 "1 9. Cantonment 39 0.6 ~ Expansion 10. Janatpuri 5' 0.6 I 11. Laxmi Nagar 24 0.6 .J

Expan.rion and COmmij.fionilig Progamme lor 1986-87 :

1. Shabdara South 281/282 J S .l' ., 2. Sbakti Nagar·IlI 701 10.0 I 3. Okhla-II 682 ,laO I 4. Nebru Place·IV 64' I C). 0 I ,. Sbuti -Nagar.III 702 9.0 ~ New Exchahges 6. Badli 708 1.0 I ,. "ajoury Garden-V 543 6.0 J 8. BahadQfsarh S43 '2.0 I 9. Najafaarh 543 1.0 I 10. Nang)oi 543 1,0 J

11. Ghaziabad-I1 84 2.0 12. Janakpuri 55 1.2 Expa.sion _ 13. Ballabbgarb 88 1. :z }

ExpIIIISIOII and Commis$/onfn6 PrOlramme for 1987-8' : 1. Sbahdara South 1 , Excbange 281/282 '.0 I 2. Sbahdara 223 5.0 ~ . New ,Exchanges 3. Gha:ziabad' III 831 1.0 I 4. Badarpuf 461 2.0 J t

5-1 Written Answers APRIL 23, 1985 Written Answers 52

Proposal to bring Howrab and Hoogly THE MINISTER OF STATE IN Districts under Calcutla Telephone THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND System COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) to (c) : 4001. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN The turnover and assets in 1983 and DAS MISTRI: Will the Minister of increase thereof during 1978-83 of the COMMUNICATIONS be pl ea ed to top ten Industrial Houses in the country state : • ranked according to their assets in 1983 are given below : (a) whether the Ministry propose to bring the Howrah and Hooghly Dis- R s. in Crores tricts under Calcutta Telephone system during the Seventh Five Year Plan ; and Tun over 1983 11003

(b) if so, whether Government pro- Assets 1983 9858 pose to give special priority for micro- Increase in wave link for the 66 , 67, 69 and 62 Ex- turnover changes under Calcutta Telephones 1978-83 6106 immediately? Increase in assets 1978-83 6011 1HE MINISTER OF STATE OF 1 HE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICA- Setting up of Cement Factory at TIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS Sunki MIRDHA) : Some areas of Howrah and Hooghly Districts are already serv- 4003. SHRI GIRIDHAR GO- ed by Calcutta Telephone System. There MANGO : Will the Minister of is no proposal to bring the rest of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AF· Howrah and Hoogbly Districts under FAIRS be pleased to state : Calcutta Telephone System. (a) whether the Ministry has issued (b) '67' and '62' Telephone Fx- any letter of intent to Government of change of Calcuttn Telephones arc Or;ssa for cement f3ctory at Sunki in connected b y microwave link. There is K t·raput District ; no proposal to provide Microwave link for · 66' and '69' exch•mges at present. (b) if so, when it was issued and the steps taken by Government of Orissa As~ets unu Turnover of Top Ten to start the preliminary work to cons- Imlustriul Houses truct the buildings and other infra- structures since then ; 4002. SHRI V. SOBHANAND- REESWARA RAO: Will 1h e Minister (c) the progress made and fuods of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY provided by Government for this fac- AFFAIRS be pleased to state: tory ; and (a) the total turnover of the companies managed by the top ten groups (d) if not, the reasons thereof? for the year 1983-84; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN (b) the total nlue of assets of the THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY companies owned or managed by the AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI top ten industrial Business Houses in ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) to the country ; and (d) : A Jetter of intent was issued on 26th December; 1983 to M/s. Indus- (c) the increase in the turnover and trial Promotion and Industrial Corpo· value of assets in the last five years ration of Orissa Ltd., a Qovernment of period in respect thereof? Orissa Undert r. kiog for the establisll- S3 Written Anstl-ers VAISAKHA 3, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answtrs 54 ment of a new Undertaking at Sunki,Dis· (b) Yes, Sir. Measures have been trict Koraput in the Sta te of Orissa for initiated to encourage growth of tele- manufacture of cement. From the communication industry in the country reports so far received from the through relaxation of policy from 100 % Corporation, it is seen that the follow- publ ic sector manufacture to !"oecure ing progress has been made in tbe oooperation of private sector in tao implementation of the project: manufacture of telecommunication equipment as announced in Parliament (i) A private promoter for setting by Deputy Minister of Electronics on up the project in the joint sec- 23rd March, 1984. tor has been finalised. (c) and (d): The private sector (ii) Site has !)een selected. industry wilJ be permitted foreign collaboration for certain telecommunication (iii) Raw material sources have products based on merits. Technology been identified. maY also be acquired by Government through centralised purchase in certain They have also informed thaI they areas, particularly in the field of switch- would be approaching fin~nC!ial institu- ing an: transmiSSIOn equipment. tions for term iOJ.ns Manufacture of Bulk Drugs Production of Telecommunication Equipment 4005. SHRI JAGANNATH PATT- NATK; Will the \1inisters of CHEMI. 4004. SHRI ANANT A PRASAD CALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased SETHI: to state: SHRI B. V. DESAI ; \ a) the names of American Com- Will the Minister of COMMUNI- panief' wh ch bave been m:,nufacturing CATIONS be pleased to state; <, nun,ber d bulk drug~ from the basic stages involving high technology. (a) whether Government ba ve made assessment regarding the gap of production and demand for telephone com- (b I 1 he names of these drugs and munication equipment including tele- the stages from which these are manu- phone instruments: factured ;

(b) whether initiative has also been (c) whether some items have been taken to involve the private sectol in declared as involving the technology: the production of Telecommunication and equipment; (d) if so, tbe details thereof? (c) \\ bether there IS an y proposai under consideration of Goverement to THE MrNISTER OF CHEMICALS allow private sectol industry to produ.;e AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY telecommunication ~quipment wltn AND C01vlPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI foreign collaboration under the new VEERENDRA PA TIL): (a):o (d) : policy guidelines ; and The High Leve: Committee constituted by [he G0vernmen, In 1978 for id(!n,i. (d) tbe details I ;;garding the gUldl:- fying drugs invol ving high technology lines for foreign collaboration in th~ ilas IDter alia found 21 drug companies private sector ? manufacturing high technology drugs from baSlC stage. Details in this regard THE MINISTER OF STArE, IN are given ID the attached Statement. THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICA- TIONS (SHRI RAM NIW AS None of these items were declared MIRDHA): Yes, Sir. to be involving low technology. H W,"ttrl -A".s14'rt1 APkrt 23, 198~ . W,ittm Am we" !6 StaCemeDt

S. No. Name of tbo Company Name of tbe Drug

1 2 3

1. MIs. Glazo Labs (j) Betam etbalOne

(ii) Vitamin 'AI Palmitate (iii) Magestrol Acetate (iv) Metbdilazine Hel (v) Maelozine Hel (vi) Betametbuono Valerate (vii) Betametbalone

2. MIl. E. Marek (i) Vitamin E Acetate (ii) Vitamin KA Water/Oil Soluble (iii) Vitamin E Succinate

3. MI •. Bayer (India) Ltd. (i) Chloroquin Phosphate (ii) Resotren Substance (CbJoquioate) (iii) Dipbenyl Hydantoin

4, MIs. A.C.C,I. (i) Tetramisole (if) Halothano (iii) Tetmosol (iv) Phonotbiazine 5: Mis. Boots Co. (India) Ltd•. (i) Cl')'ltalline luulin (ii) Ibuprofen

6. Mis. Burroupi Wcllcome (i) Dapsone (ii) Die-tby} Carbamazino Citrate (iii) Diloftl (iv) Pyrimetbamise (v) Trimetboprim

f. M/.~ Clba 'Otri.t· (i) Lyne8trcool (ii) BtbJoYl Estradiol 3"Meth1f: Ether (Mbtraaol) •

, (iii) Meth,l TOltOiteroDe~ ;._,_. ~,;.- j i .. , 5'~ W;ftlft 14",,~ VAlSAKHA. 3, 19(); ($AKAI Wrltt,n Amw,,., S8

1 2 3

(iv) MetbaaedioDone (v) Estradiol/Estradiol Propionate (vi) Etbinyl Estradiol (vii) Progesterone (viii) TestosteronejPropionatejValerinate (ix) Pbanquone (.) Testosterone Undecylenate

8. M/s. Cyanamid (i) Tetraoyclino Hcl

(ii) Chlorotetracyeline (iii) Demethyl Cblorotetracycline (iv) TribeKYphenidyl Hel

9. Mis. Hoeehest (i) Baralgon Ketone

Pharmaceuticals (ii) Tetanus Antitoxin (iii) FMD Vacuine

(iv) Haemaccel Steril e

(v) Frusemide (vi) Glybenclamide

10. MIs. Johnson It Johnson (i) Surgical Catgut (Non-Starile, BPC- 1949)

(ii) NeedlOf1 !,Ablorbable' SutlU'e (<::.t. gut Non-Starile)

(i) 11. Mis. May It Baker Metronidazole

12. M/s. Merck Sharp & Dobme 0) Vitamin B12 Oi) Dcu.. tb ..... ,,pu~

13. M" •• of...-,(f6dtal 'Ltd! (i) Testosterone/ Docaooate /Propionate J laoc.aproate /Pheoyl Propionate

(ii) Nandrolone DecanoatejPhenyl Propionate

(iii) Allynestronol & Etbyleltranol (i,) Etbistorono 59 Wrltt,n Answers ,APRIL 23, 1985 Wriuen Answers " ~o'

1 2 3

(v) Desoxycorticosterone Phenyl Propionate (vi) Progesterone (vii) Human Chorionic Gonodotrophin (HCG)

14. M!s. Parke Davis (i) Chlorcmphenicol

IS. 14. MIs. Pfizer Ltd. (i) Tetracycline

(ii) Oxytetracycline

(iji) INH

(iv) PAS/SOD. PAS

Hi M /s Rocee Products (i) Vitamin A Acetate

(ii) Debydroematine Dibydrocbloride (iii) Dxaropem (Iv) CbloroJezopol.ide (v) Mag. Gluconaie

(vi) Intcstopan Substance

1'7. 16A. Mis. Sandoz (I) Ltd. (i) Cal. Gluconate

(ii) CllI. Lactobionate (iii) Ferrous Gluconate (jv) Calcibronate

18. 11. Mis. Uni-Sankyo (0 Sporlac

(ii) Ssnzyms (Fungal Diastase)

19. 18. MIs. Warner Hindustan (i) Pyridine & Picolines and Heavy Bases (Drug intermediate)

20. 19. MIs. Wyeth Labe 0) Hydrocortisone

(ii) Hydrocb,?rtiso~~ Acetate (iii) Predisolone (lv) Predisolone Acetate (v) Predisone (vi) Progesterone (vii) 19.Hydroxy Progesterone Acetate 6 1 Written Answer" V AISAKHA '3, i 901 (SAKA) Written Answers 62

1 2" -

(viii) 17-Hydroxy Progesterone Caproate (ix) Dehydro Helandro Sterone Acetate (DHA Acetate) (Intermediate)

(ll) Metbyl Androstenediol, (Inter. mediate) (ix) Testosterone and its salts

(xii) Ethob eptazine Citrate

,21. 20. MIs. Geoffrey Manners (i) Benzathine Pencillin G (ii) Mephentirmine Sulphate

22. 21. M ! s. Sunrid Glligy (i) Phenyl Butazene Chemicals (ij) Oxycbenyl Butazone (iii) Chlorthalidene

(iv) CarbamazepiDo (v) Imipramine fJcl

Royalty on Bombay High Crude Oil Gap between Indigenous Production and Demand for Fertilizers

4006. SHRI VIJAY N. PATIL: 4007. SHRI BHOLA NATH SEN: Will the Mini'lter of PETROLEUM be Will the Minister of CHEMICAL AND p leased to state: FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: (a) whether there is any gap bet- . (a) whether Maharashtra Govern- ween indigenous production and demand ment received royalty on ccudc oil for fertilizcCI in the couotry ; obtained from BombaY,High ;. (b) if so, the details thereof;

(c) the steps takeo/prop()Sed to (b) if so, tbe amount per tonne; make the country self sufficient; and (d) the progress made in the matter (c) whether Government have, decid- duri nl the past five years; and ed to fix this royalty on percentage (e) the projections for demand and basis? ~:. - ~. production of Fertilizers in tbe countr), by 1990 ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS THB MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUS. (SHRI NA WAL KISHORE SHARMA) : TRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS No, Sir. (SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) and (b) : The details of indigenous pro- (b) Doe~ Dot arise. duction, demand and gap between demand and production of fertilizers during the year 1984·85 arc sivea lc) No, Sir. below: 63 Written A",~"

. -(PiJures 1n ·laicb totmes)

Demand Produ~tioD Qap botwoOD (Estimated DomaDd·8od . Consumption) Production

39.• ' !S.U

·P.O. 12.63 6.02

(c) In a4ditien .to _Mantial addi- TIONS be pleased to state: tional fertilizers capacity already under installation, a massive pl!OBt'amme foc sett ina up many new fertilizer plants (a) tbe number of telepbooe con- bas been taten on . band. These' mea- neetions prCNidtd .11 Kaopar, Ldctoow. sures would hoip au,ment the indige- Varanasi, Allahabad and Agra, tbe five noas production of fertilizers substantially and thereby, reduce ...the leveL of bia cities of Uttar Pradosh loparately ; importll to a sigoilcaDt eKtent.

Cd) All a rcsult of the varioas mea- (b) the nulbber of penoo I on the sores takeo by the ·Go~OI'6lDODt, (the waiting lists for telephone connections production of fertilizers bas increased in tbele cities; aod' from a level of 21.'4- Ja1l:1t toones 'of Nitrolon aod 8.41 lath tonoes of Pt0l'> io tbe first y"ar the Sillth Plan or (c) tbe steps beiDI taken to provide U9S0-81) to 39.17 lath tonncs of Nitro,eo and 12.63 lath tonnes of some telephone connections in 'each of PtO" ia·the last .,car of the Sixth Plan tboae cities '1 098 ..&1).

(e) Taraets of. product ion and cnn- 'fHE ·MINISTER OF SlATE OF .••mptiQO (demand) of fertilizers for the THB· MIN1STilY OF C9MMUNICA- Sevcotb Five Y:;ar Plan (1985-86 to nONS (SHRI .J\AtU 'iNIWAS 1989-90) have Dot yet been finali~ed. UIRDHA): (8) and (b) : The number ITNlltdatlDft} -of .td.epbone.ROlUlecUonl -P,ro:¥tided during Waiting List for New Te.phooe 1-98 ..... 5 ..4 tbo number of parsons on Connections in Big Cilfes of U.P. tbe waitinllittl in S. ·bit cit_lOr·, Uttar Pradesh are livcn below : 4008. lSHRI ZAINUL BASHER: Will tb~ ·Mloistcr of COMMUNICA-

Waitinl Lilt S. No. City Telepbone conDectiool 'l'To'fided from J.4.14 to 31.3.85

). Koanpur ,-91 : ··7349 2. LQckoow ·aoll U·79 3. Varallasi 284 2653 1321 4. o Allahabad 324 S, Air a 242 3283 65 Written Answers VAISAKHA 3, 1907 (~AKA) Wr'tt~n Answ~rs 66

(c) The exist IDg telephone exchanges (a) whether the plas! ic goods have are being exp,1nded wherever feasible a high demand potentia J in the and new onc< are being opened to pro- country; vide 010: e teicphone connections in each of tb",se cities, subject to availability of (b) wbethre it is the policy of reSOurces. Government to encourage this industry; and [English] Vi{)lat~on of Conditions of Licence (e) if so, tbe incentives uV:lIlable to b~' the Apparels Expo!"! Promotion Council th;.: plastic goods manufacturers in the small scale sec' or ? 4009, SI-::Rr Ar";ANDA PATHAK Wi;1 the Minister of INDUSTRY AND THE MINISTER OF STATE OF COMPANY AFFAIRS be pkz!sed to THE MINISTRY OF PETI{OLEUM Qtate : (SHRl NAWAL KI3HORE SHARMA) : (:1) Yes, Sir, (a) whether Government h;lve r ecel vtd appl ica t ion s r tgarJ mg gro,~ violations of the condilh'n, ,,\ lh, (b) Yes, Sir. licence granted undt:r sect! _,n :2 5 of ,ht' Companies ACI, by the Appa;~:" EXPl~rt (c) Various inccntiv.:s, such as PromlJtlOn Council, New Deih: concessional finance for units being set up in b"ckwiHd areas, mac.hincry on (b) if so, whether any act ion has hire-purchase. cerr ain excise dul y been taken in tbi~ regard; concessio~~, reservation of rertain (c) if so, the results thereof; and products for the small scale sector are also u\'aila.blt: to small scale units (d) If no action has been taken, manufacturing pbstic goods. the reasons tberefor '[ Value of Gas Flared due to Non- THE MINISTER OF S1;\-, E IN Availabilil:y of BoHling Equipment THE MINISTRY OF lNDUSFC: r\l'.'D and LPG C~'linders COMPANY AFFAIRS (SL Rl t,>RIF MOHAMMAD KHAN) 'a) The 4{Jl1. SHRI B. B. RAMAIAH Regional Director, Dep~:nment of Will the Minister of I'ETROL[UM be' Company Affairs, Kanpur, to whom the pJ'!ased to state: powers of the Central Government under Section 25 of tbe Comp"nks Act, have heen delegated, has intimated (b) whether large quantity of that no applications regardinf natural gas is being flu-cd due to non- violations of the conditions of availability of bottling equipment and licence gran'ed under Sec}ion 25 of th:;: LPG cylinders; Companies Act by the; Apparel, Export Promotion Council, New Ddhi, have (b) (he total investment needrJ heen received by him. for the above by way of imports, indicating the value Jf gas flared if it was (b) to (dj : Does Dot arise in view sold to domestic consumers; and of what has been stated in !~,) ~,bLlVC. ~c) the quantity of gas flared so Plastic Industry far indic.lting its value on the b.lsic of 4010. SHRI V. S. VIJA YA- relail consumer prices? RAGHAVAN: lHE MINISTER OF STATE OF SHRI K. KUNJAMBU: THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM Will the Minister of PETROLEUM (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA) ; be pleased to state ~ (a) No, Sir. Natural Gas is not bottled 67 Wrftten / nswus APRIL 23 , 1985 Writ/en Answers t8

in cylinders LPG ext r <: c ted out of natur ul g

1984- PS 3lJ('i.00 Mr-. lU (b) and (c) : Nesscessary fecilities (•);•( ; J;).I It'd ) to compress n:: tura l g:1s arc being ins- talktl. T he qu:mtity of ;ps J1ared in the pcri Dd April-Dec . 19 84 was 2173 Licensed capaci:'y million cubic m etres. H AL 160 .00 l\H1 U

There is no fixed sale p rice of natu- IDPI 230 .00 '1MU ral gas. Th·_; n <>t. ion:ll v:.> l u ~ of this ga s computed at the rate o f R s. 100 pe r Standard Pharn,a .14 7 . 00 M MU thousand cubic m etres, the lowest rak charged within the country, is Rs . A lembic Chemic;;ls 100.00 MMU 21.73 crorcs.

(b) Es •. 'mat .:d d emand o l' Penicil lin Pl'nrlndion of Potassium Pcnicillin-G for the year 1984-35 \'vel ' o f th e order of l l :10 MMU. 4017. SHRI RAM DHAN: Will the 1\l,ni·; ta or ClfEMlCAJ.S .li ND Due tc• in:tdr y'l~tr r·ro dU L~ j ion of FFRTII IZLI{'; be please d to state : 6 Al';\, dcm :,nd d pertci ll in did not. p ick up :-;s ;Jnt jc jr :teet . Requirm ent Ia) 1hc anticip: l! cd and acwal pro- w. :s r ~ :1n?r ily n1et by ind ige;~o u-;; production of f'nt:ls"'um Pcnicillin-U in thw :' 11 D en :H·d cq ·. rn:. tc~ f, ,, the India. m: uwLt c tu r cr -w i s .~, d u ring !he l c'IIIl in :i yc:·cs of 1h ·: S· \·cn•:r F ive Year l: ,;t t hrcc y,·:1rs as ;;! so 1 he insi:ll lcd P i :n i, ,_ ;. 198 () ~9 0 h2:::: b ·.;eH c stim;~ tt:d cap.ll-i!y n f c :~ c:h o!' I lwsc m :t nufac- to he 2470 MMli. t u rcss ; ( c) Ellert•, arc being t aken to (h) the cs tiillat cd dcm :md of P otas- incrc:tsc the product ic"' n f pt ' 'C il!in in sium f'<.' IIicillin--(1 by the c:r.d of t he: publ ic ·~ r c to r 'I.Hl l ~~ by j~n p1 ovcm~nt of t c·~·h ! 1 0 l u gy. Stxth Ft vt; \' 1. ::1r Pl:ll: :~ n,l t he projcct c: cl dc!IJ:IIHI foi : tlc s,-v,·nth 1-'ivc Yr; ar 1' ':-.n ; ();~ E: : 9lor~~i ~'i ~ t1y {) N.G.C. '.Hid :!lid ~'n ~ {).!.L. :.: t:~~J· of B'.' u~~:d c1n !i E CP ~:~aJ Ba~i n (c) i hc stcpt s 1:: \:c n to :mgrncnt Ih:: ind ig cnc u-, pru cl u.: tipn to n t~ rt t he 4 013. Sf!R! ~l:J L L\f' ! ';\ LLY total r ,·quit cm •:t ti " f •he CP ;Jn t ry fr .~ m R ,\\I1\Cf!ANDHI\N: W i!i :!•, Mini s- 1h e 1ndigc n o us s nutc c ~ '! ter <'f J' FTi 'GLi 1.!1\1 :,,, p l;-;r~ c d to s t~ ; t c : TilE MINISTE R OF CHE.IJ! IC ALS AND I I IZTILIZFRS AND I NDUSTRY t:a) rhc ni l ~ x pior:>~ion p r o~ :.:~ mme AND COMPANY i\FE·\I RS (:':TiRi b y oii and N:l :t\~ a i (~ :t-·. (~o rt· n :s, i,""n and Vl ~T' R FNDRA PATIL : LrJ No S cpa- 0il I :Hi ia in it1 y 0 f ;•cHg0l ard the r:ttc d :da is ava i icth'c fo r Potassium P.c n g:d b asii: :! 1 ~ t. c next fiv e Yf" l r :-:; l'r nicil iin-G . Liccncci ca p :~ci ti c s :111d ptuductiuot of hulk pcn:cii lin during \b .' t h~ hydro carbon p rospec ts in the last th re e yea t s are a s under: Bay of Bcnga I ; :md 69 Written Answers VAISAKHA 3, 1907 (SAKA) Written AJuwers !fo

(c) what bas so far been done in available only after the finalisation of connection with oil exploration in Bay the Seventh Plan. of Bengal and Bengal basin? (b) Based on the available data, the Bay of Bengal area is considered to THE MIN~TER OF STATE OF be prospective for hydrocarbons. THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (c) Apart froID surveys, I he number rSHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): of wells drilled in tbe area is as (a) The details in this regard would be follows :-

No. of wells No. of wells completed under drilling

Bengal Basin

(i) Onshure 21 3

(ii) Offshore 2

Bay of Bengal:

(i) Mahanandi Offshore 1

(ii) Andaman Offshore 4 1

(iii) Krishna Godavari 26 Otl'shore

(iv) Cauveri Offshore ,8

New Telepbone Connections from THE MINISTER OF STATE OF Janpatb Telephone Exchange THE MINISTRY OF COMl'4UNICA- TIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS 4014. DR. C. S. VERMA: Will MIRDHA): (a) Yes, Sir. tbe minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to refer to the reply given (bJ Allotment letters are being to Unstarred Question No. 3~26 on issued by the Delhi Telephones autho- 14th August, 1984 regarding new rities to applicants on waiting list who telepbone connections from Janpatb had registered upto 27.4.8l under Telephone Exchan~e and state: 'Non·OYT-General' Category. Appli. cants on waiting list who had registered· upto December, 1982 are likely to be (a) whether the telephone autho· issued allotment letters' during the next rities have started issuine letters for Six months. fresh alloment of telephone connections to the person; who are in the waiting [ Translation] list in General Category; and Nomination for Khadi Gramodyog Commission (b) if so, when the persons ill the wait¢g list in general category UPIO 4015. SHRIMATI VIDYAWATI December, B 8 2 are likely to be issued CHATUR VEDI : Will the Minister of letters of allofment of resh telephone INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AF- connections ? . FAIRS be pleased to state: 71 WrUten Answers t2

(a) whether Government used. to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN nominate five members on the Khadi THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND Gramodyog Commission previously as COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF against three members DO minated now ; MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) The Minis- and try of Industry aDd Comany Affairs has not received any such request dUring (b) if so, whether Government 1984-85. propose to reconstitute the Commission with five members by abolishing the (b) Does not arise. Comm ission of three members keeping io view its responsibilities and Production and Import of Chemicals to ensure its smooth functioning ? and Pesticides

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 4017. SHRIMATI N. P. niANSI THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND LAKSHMI; Will the Minister of COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) Under pleased to state: Section 4(2) of the KYIC Act, 1956, the Commission shall consist of not (a) whetber targets of production less than 3 and DQt more than 5 mem· of various inorganic and organic chemi- bers appointed by the Central Govern- cals and pesticides are being fulfilled ment. The number of members in the in keeping with iustalled capacity; Commission has varied between three and five in the past. (b) if so, the details thereof; and

(b) There is no proposal to reconsti- (c) the quanity of these items im- tute the Commission at present. ported and value thereof in foreign exchange and the medial steps taken [English] for self·reliance and self-sufficiency? Release of Additional Levy Cement to Ribar THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILISERS AND INDUS· .4016. SHRI RAMASHRAY TRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS PRASAD SINGH: Will the Minister of (SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) to INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AF· (c) : Sufficient capacity has been installed/ FAIRS be pleased to state : licenced by the Government to meet the demand of major cbemicals in tbe Coun- (a) whether Government of Bihar try. The capacity utilisation in the have approached tbe Union Govern- chemical industry normally varies bet- ment for release of additional levy ween 60% to 80%of the installed capa- cement for the restoration of buildings, city due to certain infrastructural cons- culverts and bridges damaged during traints. The installed capacity, the estimat. tbe flood wbich severely affected a large ed production and the targets of produc- area in Bihar ; and tion foxed for certain'major chemicals and pesticides for the year 1984-85 are (b) if so, the details thereof? as below:- 13 Written Answers VAISAKHA 3, 1907 (SAKA) Wrilten Answel'J' 74

Name of the items. Unit of Traget 1984-85 According of pro- Installod Estimated duction Capacity Production

Organic 'Chemicals:

1. Acetone '000 30.00 35.00 27.00 tons

2. Methanol ., 45.00 60.00 45.90

55.00 80.70 3. Acetic Acid " 40.00 Inorganic CIJemicais ;

670.00 966.00 1. Caustic Soda " 680.00 ~ Soda Ash 900.00 1005.00 ... " 862.00 3. Calcium Carbide 111.00 170.DO " 111.00 92.50 154.70 4. Carbon Black " 92.50 Pesticides :

1. S.H.C. tonnes 36000.00 41900.00 33500.00

2. D.D.T. tonnes 7500.00 9088.00 7277.00

3. Malathion tonnes 60000.00 12000.00 4500.00

The installed capacity increased from 44,500 tonees to 60,000 tonnes in Sept. 1984.

The quantity and va lue of the (a) whether there is any proposal chemicals imported into the country under consider at ion of Governm~nt to are compiled and published by the set up a cement factory in P.mna Directorate General of Commercial District of Madbya P.r:adesh ; Intelligence and Statistics, Calcutta. There is usually a time lag in compil- (b) if so, h0W many Industrialists ation and publication of the data. Once bave applied for licence for this cement the Statistics are cornpil"d, they are factory;' and published in the monthly St

consideration of Government to set up working in G.R.E.F. to the emploees a cement factory in Panna District in (If G.R.E.F. there by removing existing the Public Sector, An applicatiot} for disparity; regis Iration with DGTD filed by Madhya Pradesh Audyogic Vikas Nigam (b) if so, the m.:asurcs taken by for setting up a mini cem::nt plaut with Govcruvcnt to implement the said a capacity of 33,000 tonnes per aDnum obs"rvat io:-: ; in Panna District was reject{d.

(c) jf not, the \i m,: likely to be (b) and (c) : Do not arise. taken for the imph.:mentatioD of the suggest ion ; and Extending of Facilities Available to Defell('e Persf>onel to GREF Employees (d) ihe approxim:lte tot::.l expendi. ture involved in this implementation? 4019. SHRI LALIT MAKEN: Will th" Mini,,', ,r of DEFENCE be THE MINISTD. OF DEFENCE pleased t (} st; (e : (SHRf P. V. NARASIMHA RAO): Cl) to (,1) . Yes. Si:-. Impr(wcmcnt in the (a) whether tbe Supreme Court in ratiJa ~i."d clothing S;.lk, of Ge!leral their judgt:mO:!lt delivered on 6 May. Reserve Eoginc~r Fcl~c'~ civiJi::!:1 em- 1983 had sugg::&ted to Goverument to p;oytes ~t a lQ1.al cm., as indicl

In Crores of Ruppees

Ration Clothing Total

(i) Initial cost 5.67 5.67

(ij) Annual recurring cost 2.35 1- ]'5 3.50

Pay and allowances of General (b) whether,it is a fact that in the Reserve Engineer Force civilian em- meaaUm~ through uu txpective order ployees are related to pay and allowan::e the i:l'::P';;Lsc in pri:es of petrol has al- of other Central Government civilian ready been efi' ected ;. aDd employees. However, these are higher than those of the Army iu several (c) if so, whether such a practice posts in the General Reserve Engineer is consistent with the norms and COD- Force. ventions regarding to operation of levies introduced through Budget proposals? Increase in Price of Petro I

THE MINlSTER OF STATE OF 4020. PROF. MADHU DANDA- THE MINlSTltY OF PETROLEUM VATE: Will th:: Minister of PErRO- (SHiH ~AWAL KISaORE SHARMA) : LEUM be pleased to state: (a) and (b) : The increas;: in pric:s is effectiv<; from the d.!!e it is announced (a) the data from whic:l the iacrc:ise is P,ulit:rnent, i.e. from the midnight of in prices of p..::trol is exp:cted to come 16th/17th l\1

Adjudication Cases Pendillg tTl 3. The Supreme Olur! (Number Supreme Court of Judges) Act, 1956 was amended in 1977 tn provide 4021. SHRI BRAJA MOHAN for r2 ise :n t he Judge Strength MOHANTY : Will 11"1t: Mlflh;''!r of LAW ()f the Supreme Ceurt from 13 AND JUSTicE be pleas(d to stat.: : to 17 (excluding the Chief Justice). (a) the tote 1 number of cases, dispute, appeals and other m;1ttn~ avaiting 4. The Supreme Court Rules have adjudication on 31 March, 1985 in the been amended to vest more Supreme C,'urt aod ~he numt>cr of such powers in The Registrars and ca~es rending 0:1 3: M:rch, 19~4; Judg'~s in Chambers so that and time of the c;)urt is not wasted in petty miscc:iancou' matters. (b) the steos taken in helping specdly disposrl of such pending mntter~? 5. The Supreme Court have also taken the following measures:

THE MINISTER OF ST ATE IN (i) Priority is given io cer· THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUS- tain matters. TICE: (SHRI H. R. BHARADWAJ) : (a) As per infO] million received from (ij) Miscellaneous matters are the Registry of t "Ie Supreme Court, fixed dailY_ the total number of matters (both for regular hearing and r:dmis:.ion m.atters (iii) Writ petitons with identi- includIng' the miscelbneou> petitions) cal questions are' grouped pending as on 31.3.19;)4 :lOd 13,1985 togetLier Ilnd batches rUn- wen: 1,34,098 and 1,5(c,i9~1, 't:specti- ning from 50 and 100 vcly. ma,tns are listed together for hc;.ring. (b) Steps taken to r(duct pendency are !!ivcn' in lhe ;H tac\,cd slaL'ffiClIt. (iv) Other matters involving ideo! i..:al questions are Statement also Identified frum time to time and put to- Step.~ Takt'n to Redllce Pendency gether and efforts are made in Supreme C014rt to sec. that such groups are disposed of early. The fo')owing step:; b~<'e hc:t'n taken to reduce pc:. dcncy in the Supreme (v) The Supn me Court Rules Court: were revIsed in 1966 pro- vidim; for printirg of I. The Code of Civil P,ocedure recore's under its own was :'.mcnd,d in 1976 to abo· Supc.rvibion. As that was Iish Letters Patent Appeals also taking quits some from Judgment of Sin"le time the court of late has Judge of the High Court in started wherever possible second appeal lVlde Section dispensing with tbe prepa- IOOA). ration of' records and hearing the appeals on special leaw paper-beok 2. The Code of Criminal Pro- itself after the parties cedure based on the r~commen hav\) fikd their counter- dations of the Law Commis- affidavi!s and affidavits in sion was enacted in 1973. reply. 79 Written AnsWers APRIL 23. 1985 Written An,we,., 80

[Translation] indicating the names of such machines URutilised Machines in Ordnance and the date since when these have been Factory lying unutiJised ; and

4022. SHRI MOOL CHAND (d) the persons responsible for DO DAGA : Will the Minister of uti Ising these mach ines or allowing DEFENCE be pleased to state: these machines Ie' remain unutilesed 'I

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (a) whether machines worth Rs. (SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO) : (a) 201.39 lakhs had been lying unutiliscd to (c) : A statement is attached. in ordnance factories till March, 1983 ;

(d) While, as per the contractual (b) if so. the names of those prOVisions, the supplying firms are machines and '.he dates on wh.ch the}' rC'spomible for succe&sful commissioning were purchased ; of th'.~ machines/furnance, OFB have been directed to closely monitor the (c) the re;:,sons for which those progress in the matters and take all machines bad been lying unutilised neccessary steps in this regard.

Statement

Name of the Machine. Date of Receipt Reasons for non·utilisation ------2 3

1. Horizontal Bo?ring December, 1979 Initia I erection was delayed owing to latc receipt of technical documents for design foundation and certain basic deft'cts were found after the en:ct ion of the machine. Matter is being pursued with the firm.

2. Turning and Boring June; I 'Y79 Certain parts were found defective after commissioning and there were repeated breakdowns afler recommsi- sioning.

3. Turning and Boring October, t979 Suppliers could not success- fully commission the machine (ill March, 1983. It was however recommissioned in June, 1983.

4. Bailing Press November, 1977 There bad been repeated breakdowns due to defec· tive design. ModificatioDS have since been carried out and commissioned in Scp., 1984. 81 Written Answers VAISAKHA 3,1907 (SAKA) Written Answera 82

1 2 3

S. Hardenin$, and Juo'e, 1969 Various defects were found Tempering Furnance on trial which could oot be rectified, • The furoance bad to be returned to the firm, It was received bact in .hIue. 1983 after removal of defects. All defects have been rectified and is under fioal inspecti on.

6. Electrically Heated April-November, The fumance has a delec! iva chamber type 1978 quench tank which is unsafe Furnance to work. Matter is bemg pursued with the Supplier,

7. Crane October, 1978 The firm could not commission the crane Juccessfully. They have not been ~ble to rectify the defects and tbe removals has now undertaken the job at risk and expence of the firm. The crane is likely to be c,)mmi s· sioned shortlY.

Canister Industry have, however, recieved some representations about the shorlaie of tin plates 4023. SHRI RAM PYARE which is the main raw material for the PANIKA: Will the Minister of industry. It was noticed that th ~re was INDUSTRY AND COMPANY a sbortfall in the indigennus avaIlability AFFAIRS be pleated to state: of tin plates. In order to mlet tbe domestic shortfall in supplies, non-oil' (a) whether Government are aware can size general purpose prime tin of the exploitation going on in the plates to the extent of ) 5,000 tonnes canister industry ; were released for direct import by Tin Containers manufacturers dispensing' (b) if so, whetber Govern'nent have with the requirement of 'no objection' taken any ·steps to m~et the shortage of certificate of Steel Authority or Iodia material required for its smooth ruuc- who are the canal ising agency for tbe tioning; import of tin plates. (c) if so, the ~etails thereof; and (d) Does Dot arise. (d) if not, the reamns thereof? '[English] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN ladu5trializatioD of Raigarb District THE MINISrRYOF INDUSTRY AND (Madhya Pradesh) COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRl ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) to (c) : No 4024 •.~I)MA~~ PUSHP4 DI!¥I.t . specific case oL uploitatwD io tfie' Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND Canister Industry has' bIeJI' bt(jUgln ,to> COMPANY. AFFAIRS be pleased tile notice of Govetnmoot. Government to state: APRIL 13, 1985 Writte" AnsweFl 84

I' {I.I' (a) whetber it is a fact tbat (viii) Special concessional for nuc. Raigarh district" in Madbya Pradesb leus plants. is an industrially backward district ; [Trtms/at ion] (b) wbetbet' Gcm:mment taken .1ia-d Setting up of Electronic Training up programmes to industrialise the . Complex backward districts 00 priority; 4025. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: (0) wbether priority bas not been Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND accorded iDdustrialising Raigarb district COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased despite tbe faet tbat- tbe above district to state: is an iud.ttiaU, backward distl'ic:t : aDd (a) whether UNIDO bas set up any Electronics Training Complex at Ram- (d) if so, the steps proposed to be nagar (Nainital, Uttar Pradesh); taken in near future or during Seventh Plan for the development of industries (b) whetber Government proposo to in tbat part of Madbya Pradesh ? open more such training compleKcs in future: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (c) if so, -the proposed locations AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI thereof; and ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) and (b) : Yes, Sir. (d) whether Government would consider opening sucb comp lex at (c) Does not arise. Almora and Pithoragarh also in Uttar Pradesh?

(d) Tbe (onowing incentives/con- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN cessions are available to entrepreneurs THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY setting up indu,tries in Raigarh district AND COMPANY APFAIRS'(SitRI of Madhya Pradesh :- ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) Yes, Sir. The Government of India has (I) Central ID"estment Subsidy @ agreed to set up tbe Integrated Elec- 10% subject to a maximum of tronics Industrial Development Complex ' Rs. )0 laths (MRTP/FERA at Ram Nagar with tbe assistance of '. Companies are not eligible ~o UNDPjUNIDO. Central Subsidy). (b) No decision in this regard has (ii) Conccssionai Finance. been taken.

(iii) Insterest subsidy to Engineer (c) Not applicable .lt this stage. entrepreneurs. (d) No, Sir. (iv) Seed/Margin Money assistance. [Engll.rh] (vl Tax concession. Progress to tbe Field of Acronaaties

(vi) Facility for purchase of m~cbi 4026. SHRI HUSSAIN DALWAr!' nery on hire pUrchase basis. Will the Minister of OEFENCE be pleased to state:

(vii) Consultancy (or technical lOr. (a) the progre~s India has made so . ~If.[ ~ tbc Gcld of act'ooaut~ ; (b) whetber our scientists have· accepted the recommendations and are achievod full control over tbe entiae issuinl directions accordingl,. ; aod machinery ·of manufacture of aero- plllllet indillCDOusly ; and (d) whether Government are conai- dering future increase ia tbe commis. (c) if oot, by what time our scien- sion in view of the percentage price tists would a cbieve full independence hike in commodities and rise io saiarici and efficiency in tbe sphere? to enable the distributors to meet the increased eapenditure ,1 ., , THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI P. V. NARSIMHA RAO): (a) THE MINISTER OF STATE OF Since 1949. tbe Indian Aeronautical THE MINISTRY OF '·PETROLEUM Industry hal produced nearly 3,000 (SHRI NAW AL KISHOlt&8HARMA): aircraft. both of indigenous design and (a) to (d) : The Oil Cost Rewew Commi- . under licence from abroad. to meet the ttee bas submitted its report to Govern- needs of the Defence Services. A num- ment which is under examination. ber of indigenous design and develop. ment aircraft/engine projects are curren- tly under progress. [Trans/alion] Complaints Regardillg Sainilt (b) As stated earlier, a large num- Scboo .. ber of aircraft and associated equipment bave in the past been produced in the 4028... SHRI. DJLEEP SINOH country and are under current pro- BHURIA: Will the Minister of duction. DEFI;:NCE bo plcaaed. to state:

(c) Current and proposed aircraft (a) tbe present Dumber of Sainik and cngine programmes are expected to Schools in tbe coutrY ; progressively update indigenous capabi- lity and enbaDce our self·reliance iD (b) the number of studeots in tbe this field. aforesaid schools receiving education; aod lacrease in Commission to LPG Distributors (c) whetber complaiats have been received that neither proper care is takoo nor nutritious food is given to the 4027. SHRf SOMJIBHAI minor students i8 these schools ? DAMOR: Will tbe Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to rcfer to tbe reply given to Unstrrred Qucstibrl THB MINISTER OF -DEFENCE No. 1038-9 on 8th Mil" 1984 regarding (SHRI P. V. NARSIMHA RAO): (a) " demand for increase in commission paid There are 18 Saioik Schools m the to distributors for LPG cylinders and cOUDtry. state: \b) 10.025 students are studyiol in (3) whetber Governmen! have the Saioik Schads in tbe curront received the Oil Cost Rewew Commi- academic year. tt"c', report which was expected by the end of July, 1984 ; ;:n (0) Tbe Sainit Schools Societ, does its"best

[&iII.] . over the years, both the indices are under revision. Variation io Wholesale Price Index ... Coalumer Priee Index Use of Foreigo Brand Names io Collaborations 4029. SHRI K. MOHANDAS: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND 4030. SHRI V. KISHORE COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to CHANDRA S. DEO : Will the Minister stale: of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AF. FAIRS be pleased to state: (a) whether the wholesale price index and the consumer price index are often at variance with each other; (a; wheth!'r the collaboration agreements of Escorts with Yamaha Lobia with Vespa, Hero with Honda (b) if so, whetber their is any basic have a condition that they will not use defect in computing these indices; foriegn brand names;

(c) wbether Government feel that (b) which of these companies is a more scientific system of compu- using the foreign brand narne and what tation of indices is required to be action is propo8cd to be taken; and adopted; and (c) whether Government propose to (d) if so, the steps being taken in take any action againgt Mis Godfrey tbis regard? Phillips for using the Foreign Trade Mark 'Chesterfields' without Govern- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN ment's approval and jf not, the reasons THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY therefor? AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI AllIF MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) THE MlNISTER OF ST ATE I!\T wholesale price index (base 1970-71) THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRYAND and consumer price index (base 19(0) COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF are Dot identical. While the wholesale MOHAMMAD KHAN): ta) to (c): price index reflects the price situat ioc Government have not given permis- for the economy as a whole at the level sion to Escorts, Lobia. .fIero and of wbolesale transactions, the consumer Godfrey Phillips for use of foreign brand price index reflects the .change in prices names on their products for internal at retail level. Accordingly, the composi· sales As per the policy of foreign tion, coverage of commiditie~ and collaborations, foreign brand names are weighting diagram for the two indices not oridinarily allowed for use on the are different. However, despite these products for internal sales although differences in the two indices, the there is no objection to their use on movement of the consumer price index products to be exported. has in tbe long run followed tbe movement in tbe wholesale price index with The policy regarding use of foreign solDCl time laa. brand names is under review.

(b) Both these iodices are computed Setting up of Petro-Chemical Com- on the principle of weilhted arihmetic plex at Raigad. Mabarastra mean according to the Laspeyre's formula with items, specificAtion, 4031. SHRI D. B. PATlL: markets/shops and weighting diagram SHRI· BALASAHEB VIKHE remaininl fixed in the base year. PATlL: (c) and (d) : Witb a view to ensuring tbat ,tbe two iodic.es reBect tbe structural Will the Minister of PETRO· cbaalcs in tbe economy osperienced LEUM be pleased to state: 89 Written A",wers VA1SAKHA ~J 1907 (SAKA)

(a) whether a Petro·chemical Com. Government to maintain proper stock plex is to be developed at Nagothane of cement according to the reqUire- District Raigad. Mabarasbtra ; ment?

(b) if so: .wbether ag,i~ultural land THE MINISTER OF STATE IN to a large extw.:nt is being acquired" for THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND the Complex; COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) Y\!S, (c) if SO, wh~thtr hi~ Minister has Sir. included the cost of reh... bllitation of tbe displaced agriculturists in tbe cost of (b) to (d) : Every effort is being made tbe project ; and towards inCfeasing availability of Cement in the country by fuller utili- (d) if so, to what extent '1 sation of existing c_·pacit::r and SUDC- tioning ad,;itwnai capacity for installation. The policy of partial decontrol THE MINISTER OF STATE OF of cement is COl staotly under review THE MINISTRY OF PE,ROLEUM nod will be amended when tbe need for (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): th~ same would arise. \n) to (d) : A petrochemic ... ls complex is implementation in N:1gothan~. District IndigeDOus Production uf Drugs in Raigad, Mahara~htr,:. Out of total SmaJl Scale Sector :IT'';[l of about 558 bectan;s, dgricuhur"i land is about 2 26 ht'ct .. n:s. Provision 4033. SHRI D. P. JADEJA: bas been kept f(lr r"h:lbiiitdtion of the SHRI i\10TILAL SINGH: disphlced agriculturists. Tbe cost of rehabilltation will be det(;[lLiued in Will [he Minister of CHEMICALS terms of Mabar::shtra Rcst'ttivm-:nt of AND FER nLIZERS be pleased to state: Project Displaced Pel sons Act, 1 ')7 ~. (,,) wbei her in most cases, drugs Increase in Production of C(:thclIt to ,~lio''. td to be imported as raw-mater ial meet Domestic Demand into our country attr:'ct cheaper rutes cf custom dut~ v!s-a·vis the custom duty 4032. PROE. P. J. KURIEN: on its intermediates; W ill the Minista of INDUSTR Y AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be p:c:lsed to (b) Wi ether Government policy is to state: encourage indigenous production of drugs if these, re being imported; and (a1 whether thcre is· a !lced to increase tbe product ion of cement in order to meet the growing domestic (c) if so, the steps Government have demand; tllken in the matter in order to boost up in(ligeoous production of drugs in (b) if so, whetrer Govc:rnment pro-· the small scale sector ? pose (0 reconsider the proposal to expand t he exist ing units and tstabl ish THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS new units as tbe pre~eDt construction AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUS- activities iu lhe country require more TRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS quantity of cement than tbat is avail- (SHU VEBRENDRA PATIL); (a) In able in tbe country; general, imports of bult drugs carry a basic duty of 60 % ad-volerum and (c) if so, \\ bether the recent cement auxiliary duty of 40 % ad-volerum. policy announced by Government is Similarly impo;1 of drug intermediates pi:oposed to be amended ; and carry a basic duty of 70% ad.volerum, aUXiliary duty of 40 % ad-volcrum and (d) if not, the other alternate cOUnter-vailing duty of 12 % ad-volerum. tmasurcs proposed to' be 'adopted I:>Y Howevcr~ severaJ buUt Grugs, formula. 9 i Written Answen

tions and drug intermediates are levied COMPANY AFFAIR~" ~ ,~lea8ed to concessiona! rates of customs duty. state wbetber Government propose to talce any steps to prevent the. pollut,.io,'l- (b) Yes, Sir. if such production is caused by tbe waste thrown iDto tiie cost effective. 'nearby Muvattupuzha river by the Hiodustan Paper Corporation? (c) Small Scale Units, unlike organised sector Units are free to undertake THE MINISTER OF STATE IN the production of any bulk drug after THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND obtaining the permission for manufactur- COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF ing and market iog the bulk drug con- MOHAMMAD Y..HAN) :' The Hindus- cerned from the Drug controllers of tan Newsprint Ltd. i~ taking all stc.ps tbeir States. Several other concessions to prevent pollutioo from tbe wast e have also been extended by the State being discharged ioto tbe Muvattupuzba Governments and Central Government river. The emuent is given primal,. to such units with a view to boost up treatment for removal of solids. and production in the Small Scale Sector. colour aod secondary treatment for removal of B O.D. and only after Theft or losured Parcels achieving the standard prellcribed by tbe State Pollution Control Board, the 4U34. SHRI KALI PRASAD etHuent is dicharged into the Muvattu- PANDEY: Will the Minister of puzha river. The Company is also COMMUNICA nONS be plea~ed to tdlcing in-plant measuacs to reduce tbe state: quantity of etHueot 10 the minimum.

(a) whether it is a fact that certain [Translation1 i~5ured parcels are stolen before these Link iog of CbllRderpur. Bbaodara reach tb~ir destination; aod Garbchiroli witb Bombay aod Delbiby S.T.D.

(b) if so, the details of such inci- 4036. SHRI VILAS MUTTEMWAR dents during tbe last tbree years ; Will the Minister of COMMUNI- CATIONS be pleased to state: (c) whetber it is a fact that employees of postal department bave 'boen (a) whether be is aware tbat found involved in the tbeft of insured Cbanderpur. Bbandara and Garhcbiroli parcel~ ; are the developing districts of Malla-' rasbtra and new' enterpc,eneurs have to (d) if so, the details in tbis regard ; face diffiCulties dul.: to insufficient meaDS and or communications ; (b) whether Government propose to (e) tbe action taken against tbem? link these three districts witb Bombay and NalPur as well as Delhi by STO THE MINISTER OF STATB OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNI- service ; ; CATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) Yes, Sir. (c) if 10. when ; and

(b) to (e) ; The information is being (d) ir not, the reasons thereror ? collected dnd will be placed on the Table of the Hoose. THE MINISrBR OF" STATE OF THE MINISTER OF COMMUNI- Pollution Caused by HindultaD Paper Corporation CATIONS (SHR.I RAM NIW AS MIRDHA) :

(c) Tho STO services for Chander- (ii) The policy of reservation bas par. Bbandarak~n<\" G,'}lchhQli it: ea- been also made applicable, to ~cted to be provided durjpg .tho 7th the Central. Puhlic Sector '}an period, wb:cb will give tbem Undertakings (and bas been i .acCC'S not "Qnb' )Q N,flgpur !lnd Delhi similarly recommC'nded for '~ to the 1;011 or ,the copntry. adoption by the State Public Sector Undertakinp). (d) 0001 not arise. (iii) Training is being imparted {fugllsh] under. various sc~eme to equip 'iaparate Ministry tor Rehabilitation ex-servicemen both for .salaried and Welf.r, of E~-senlcemen employment in the private sector as well as for 8elf.el11-, 4037. ShRI V. S. KRISHNA ployment. I ItER: will th~ Minister of DE-. , .FENCE be !pl~ased to state : . (iv) Support is provided to ez- serv.icemen in enlagiog in gain- (a) whether there is any proposal ful self-employment by means to establish a separate Ministry for of sponsoring, witb tbe Minis- Rebabilitat~on and Welfare of ElI:~ trieS/Governments concerned, servicemen "f,or speedy rebabilitation a policy of priority /preferen- and helping the ex·servicemen ; and tial allottment of commercial booths, agencies in various trading activities, transport a- (b) wbetber Government are aware tion service, etc. of the bardahiQ, be~,s faced by t~e .c,x- servicemen ilJ ~ettin8 JOb opportunities Pharmaceutical Unlts Working below anct other "e~efits ~ . the Capacity

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI P. V. NARSIMHA RA.Ol: (a) 4038. SHRI THAMPAN' ITHO- No, Sir. MAS: Will tbe Minister of CHEMI. CALS AND FERTILIZBRS be pleased to state: (b) The problem faced by the ex- servicemen have been studied in detail by a HI8h Levd Committee in 1984. (a) whether a number of pharma. The recommendations or'the Committee ceutical units under bis Ministry have been working below capacity due to ,~ being processed in the Government. fo mitigate the difficulties of tbe ex- shortage of raw material ; servicemen in securing employmC'nt. the Government have from lime to (b) if 80. tbe particulars of the time takeo appropriate policy initia- units which have not completed their tivrs, some of the more notable of full capacity indicating tbeir ori,inal ~hicb are as follows: capacity; and

(I) A policy of reeservatiol} in (c) the steps taken to revamp tbo recruitment to posts within tbe utilisation of Jull. capacity of theee purview of tbe U,[)tral Qovern.- ment has ' been introduc'ed, erring units 1. , accompanied by relevant relaxation in tbe shHutory proviSions THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS for the rC'quisite educational AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY qualifications' and age restric- AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI tions. Similar steps have also VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) to (c): becn recommended to tbe Production of some pharmaceutical 5t"tc QQvef11til~"t. . . \Joit. was aft'ecte4 becallse of ina4e- 95 Wdtlen Amwen APRIL 23 1985 W. It:en Answef~ 96 qU'lte aV1ilability of c,1ncentrated Nit- Rn'hion Petitions Pending to Delbi Higb Court· ric acid and Indmtrial Alco·101. 404;. SHRI ANANDI CHARAN One stream of th ~ Nitric Acid DAS: Will the Minister of LAW Plants of !htshtriya Chemicals aud Ferti- AND JUSTICE bJ plea~l"d to state: lisers Limited (RCF) bad to be closed down due to objectb:1 from the State (a) the number of revision' petitions Government from the pollutbn anglc. pending in Delhi High Court as on 31 Following report:; of shortage of con- March, 1 i25 ; centrated Nitric Acid, the positi"" was reviewed. RCF have been advised to (b) whe;hcl' there is hC:1vy work- ensure adequate av~ilability of concen- load 00 the judges; trated Nitric Acid to pr;ority users like bulk drug mar.uraC'tur~rs. (c) whether there is any proposal to increase the strength of Delhi High Court Judges to clc:ir the backlog; Impo~!s of alcohol and alcoh,)l :lOd based intermediates arc being allowed wherever necessary. (d) the number of vacancies in Delhi High Court as on 31 March, Supply of Cooking Ges on "Casb .' 985 ? and Carry" Basis THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND 4040. SHRI KAMAL NATH: JUSTICE (SHRI H. R. BHARDWAJ) : Will the Mi:Jistcr pf PETROLEUM he (a) As per inL.rm"tioD furnished by pleased to state: the Registry of the Delhi High Court, the·pendency as 0:1 31.12 ]984 of the (a) whethm- a scheme: has been civil and criminal revision petitions! devised to sUl'ry!y cooking gas cylinders caseS is ,s follows: to ~O:1: U'Eers on "Cash i~n(l Carry" basis ; Hevision Pelitic-ns (Ch'i!) 1788 (b\ \·,hc:Lcr:: h,L' considerc,l t:l.it J< l'vjo:ion P.:Iil Ions this ~yskm will !,e ,;,ulgerous, costly f:nd cas~ s (Cri:ninai) 703 and will cau':e inconvier c: \0 Consu- mer,: ; anu 2491

(c) the re"s.'ns for cha;,piog the (b) and (c) : Prt>posals from Delhi preSL.Lt system? High C:1urt for increasing the sl rength "r Judges, based 0:: t11c ,,',ork'o IJ th_re, THE MI ':ISTEil OF STATE OF h:_vJ been recClved and are I'ogaging THE MlNIS; RY OF PETROLEUM Ih" att("ntlOll ("·f rhe Government. (SHRI NAWAL KISH0.1E SHARMA): (h) to (c) : The Oil Indu;:'.:v has intro- (d) Two. duced the "Cas!; and Carry~j ,cherne on Propo'mls to Natmnalise Drug ao eXi)erimental basis CCI in ta;'\ mar- Industry kets where cylinJers wi:h seif.ck~ing val vet are in Ine. Th:s scheme i.s 4042. SHR[ MOHANBHAI optional for conS:1mers, Tne safelY, PATEL: cost r.nd convenience aspecb have been SHRI AM.\RSINH taken iato cOllsidcrati0TI wh: e introduc- RATHAWA: ing the ~chemc, It is intmded ,,~~~ to relic~e CCflSumers desi: ous of using this \Vi:l tbe Minister of CHEMICALS facili\y, f: cc: the ccc:.:sior:;;l p,::;b~cms AND FFRTII TZERS be r.c3.sed to of We tlOme u.:livery arrangement. state: 97 Written Al18wel's VAISAKHA 3, 1907

(a) tbe number of multinational steps being taken in this direction ? companies which are manufacturing drugs in India; THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUS- (b) whether the raw material used TRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS for manufacturing drugs is being (SHRI VEERENDRA PATILl: (a) imported ; These are 16 PERA drug companies wbere direct foreign equity exceeds (c) if .0, the value of the raw- 40%. material imported during the years 1983-84 and 1984-85 ; (b) to (d) : Imports of raw.materials are allowed as per Imports and Export Policy. Imports by individual com- (d) whether the drugs imported by panies are not being monitored in tbe these companies ~re being exported; Ministry.

(e) if so, the quantity of the drugs (e) The quantities of drugs exported exported by these companies during tbe by the FERA companies are not aVJiI. above period ; able. However, the value of exports by these 16 FERA drug companies are (f) whether tbere is any proposal as enclosed in the Statement. under the consideration of Government to nationalise drug industry; and (f) No, Sir.

(g) if so, the details tbereof and the (g) Dolts not arise.

Statement

Export of 16 FERA Companies during the Year 1983-84

S. No. Name of the Country Export

1 2 3

(Rs. in '000) 1. Mis. Burroughs Welcome & Co. m P. Ltd., 694.1 Bombay

2. M/s. Boots Co. (Iodia) Ltd., Bombay 12010.8

3. M/s. Bayer (1) Ltd., Bombay 1447.2

4. M/s. Cyanamid India Ltd., Bombay 502.1

S. Mis. E. Merck (1) Ltd .• Bombay 12413.5 6. MIs. Hoecbest Pharmaceuticals Ltd., Bombay 147979.4 7. MIs. Hindustan Ciba·Geigy Ltd., Bombay 52820.6

8. MIs, Johnson & Johnson Ltd., Bombay 1189.1 9. Mis. Merck Sharp Dohme of India Ltd., Bombay 113.5 99 Written Answer" APRIL 23, 1985 Written Answer.s tOO

1 2 3

10. MIs. Pfizer Ltd., Bombay 5774.3

11. Mis. Roche Products Ltd., Bombay 12060.0 (October, 1981)

12. Mis. Saddoz (I) Ltd,. Bombay 11166.8 13. MIs. The Alkali & Chemical Corpn. or India 6422.0 Ltd., Calcutta

J 4. MIs. Uni Sankyo Ltd., Bombay N.A.

15. Mis. Wyeth Laboratories Ltd, Bombay 75.4

16. Mis. Smith Kline & French 2032.7

Increase in Alcobol Cost (a) whether Tatas have indicated a sizeable investment in Dew high tech. 4043. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE nology areas like telecommunications. PATlL; Will tbe Minister of CHEMI- super computers, advanced materials CALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased etc. and alternative energy resoUl ces ; to state:

(h) if so, whether Guvernment have (a) whether the Bureau of Industrial agreed to the massive plan investment Costs and Prices bas made a recom- offer._'d by Tatas ; mendation to Government for increase in tbe cost of alcohol .. (c) if so, the areas that have been (b) if so, the details thereof; 1!gr~~c! by Union Government: and

(c) whether Government have (d) the total investment proposed accepted the recommendation ; and to be made by the Tatas ? (d) if not, the reasons therefor? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUS· COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF TRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS MOHAMMAD KHAN): (r.; to (d): (SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) The various companies bdonging to the to (d): The Bureau of Industrial Costs Tata Group of companies have been and Prices, after making a study of the granted Letters of Intent for the manu- cost and price structure of molasses facture of items such as Saleable Steel, and alcohol, has submitted a respect to Truck and Bus Chassis, P & H Electric the Government. The examination of Mining Shovels, Moulded Case Circuit the report is in progress. Breakers, Packaged Units etc., Gunning equipments for operating of slide gates, Mal8ive Investment Plan by Tatai Grawler and wheel mounted Side/front dump loaders for underf,!round mining, 4044. SHRI B. V. DESAI: Will and Document encoders, curing the the Minister of INDUSTRY AND period 1982 to 198~. The estimated COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to investment as contained in the applica- atate : tions approximates Rs. 400 crores. 101 Wrlttell Answers VAISAKHA 3, 1907 (SAKA~ Written Amwtrs 102

Other proposals from tbese companies by the end of 1985. Tankages to the awaiting Government approval relato to extent of ]0532 Kls. have been Banc· items of manufacture such as Portland tioned onder Phasc-nA and these are Blast Furnace, Slag Cemeat, Modem, expected to completed by 1986-87. A etc., MICR Cartridge Ribbons, Indus- proposal to set up a terminal at Para· trial Machinery Diglycol Carbonate deep is also under consideration of Menomer etc., Process Control and Govt. management systems and EPABX. envisaging investment to the tune of RB. Exploration of Wells in 1985-86 100 crores approximately. 4047. SHRI DHARAMPAL SINGH Augmentation of Storage Capacity MALIK: Will the Minister of PETRO- or Various Public Sector Oil LEUM be pleased to state: Companies in Orissa (a) estimated number of new wells 4046 SHRIMATI JAY ANTI PAT- which are likely to be explored in the NAIK: Will the Minister of PETRO· country during ]985-86 ; LEUM be pleased to state: (b) the names of the pllces where tbese wells will be explored ;

(c) if so, the steps taken by Union (b) These would be drilled in the Government to implement the request following basins : made by Government of Orissa? Bombay 1 THE \{INISTER OF STATE OF Andaman I THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM North-Bast OFFSHORE (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): Coast J (a) No, Sir. The product tankage Cambay capacity already available in Orissa is "\ Assam considered sufficient to meet the current I Rajasthan demand for POL products in that , Arunachal State. I Pradesh >- ONSHORE Mahanandi i (b) Yes. Sir. Himalayan I foothills and I (c) With a view to augmenting the Gange Valley ) product storage capacity in the country in accordance with the existing policy Kutch- ') of tbe Government. tankages to the Saorashtra I extent of 6347 Kls. are being set up Krisbna- I OFFSHORE in Orissa under Phase-I of the Addi- Godavari >- AND tional Product Tankage Programme Cauvery ONSHORB and these are expected to be completed Bongal J 103 Written AnsWlfs A"'RIL 23, 1985 Written Answer, 104

(c) RII. 570 crores. offices proposed to be opened in Bibar dUring 1985-86 ; and (d) It is Dot possible to quantity the production from tbeso exploratory (c) of the above post offices and wells at tbis stago. telegraph offices, bow many are to be opened in the backward, hill, tribal Use of Xerox Macbla ... in Court. and far·flung areas?

4048. SHRI E. AYYAPU THE MI~ISTER OF STATE OF REDDY: Will the Minister of LAW THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNI- AND JUSTICE be pleased to state: CA nONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) The number of post offices proposed to be opened in Bihar (8) wbetber tbere is a proposal to during 1985-86 is yet to be finalised. introduce modern techniques in subordi- nate trial courts for tbe purpose of recording evidence, for the purpose of (b) The total number of telegraph supplying instantaneous copies of evi- office proposed to be opened during dence and judgement the litiaent public 1985-86 in Bihar are yet to be fina- by tbe use of Xerox machines etc; lised. and (c) Does not arise. (b) if so, the details tbereof? Monitoring Organisation

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 4050. SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY : THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND Will tbe Minister of COMMUNICA- JUSTICE (SHRI H. R. BHAR- TIONS be pleased to state; DAWAJ): (a) and (b) : In their 71th Report tbe Law Commission recommen- (a) the functions of the Monitoring ded tbat instead of typigg the copies of Organisation ; judgements and depositions the wbole ,bing could be done by Mecbanical or (b) the projected plan outlay for Electronic process. The report was Ihis organisation in the Sixth Five Year laid on the Table of the House and also Plan; sent to State Government and High Courts in 1979 as action was to be taken by them. The attention of tbe (c) tbe total amount spent by th is State Governments and Higb Courts organisation so far; and was again drawn in June, 1982 with regard to the recommendations contain- (d) tbe steps being taken to remove ed in this report. the dificiencies, if any, in the working of this arganisation and to activise it so Opening of Post Offices and Tele- that the Sixth Plan target can be graph Offices in Bihar achieved?

4049. SHRI PRAKASH THE MINISTER OF STATE OF CHANDRA: Will the Minister of THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNI- COMMUNICATIONS be phlased to CATIONS (SItRI RAM NIWAS state : MIRDHA) : (a) The Monitoring Organi- sation is a "field" Organisation which (a) the total number of post offices provides the necessary techn ical and proposed to bo opened in Biha r during allied data on the basis of wireles 1985-86 ; monitoring carried out at the monitoring stations of tbe Ministry (Wire- (b) tbo total numbor of tolegraph less Planning and Coordination Wing) 10~ Written Answers VAtSAKHA 3, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers t 06

for efficient discharge of its role, as 2. Chela Cbu Vadu national radio regulatory authority, in SanelJi radio frequency spectrum management 3. including international coordination and 4. Teeky registration of frequencies and positions of satellites in the Geostationary 5. Kadamath Satellite Orbit (GSO). 6. Arattupuzha (b) Rs. 800 lakhs. 7. Thirumeni

(c) Rs. B 1.07 lakhs. 8. Parakadavu (d) There are no specific dificiencies. 9. Malur Some schemes which arc under imp Ii- 10. Surianel mentation have, however, spilled over ta the Seventh Plan because of delays 11. Tbiruvegapuzha in delivery of equipment already ordered, etc. 12. Panthecrankavu Opening of New Telepbone Exchanges 13· Puzhakattiri in Kerls 14. Adiperanda

4051. SHRI T. BASHEER: Will 1 S. Pallathur the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state : Out of tbe 15 exchanges proposed to be opened exchanges at SI. No.2 and 10 (a) whether there is any proposal will be Small Electronic Exchanges of under consideration of the Government ESAX 9: 2: 1 type and remaining to open new Telephone Exchang~s in MAX-III Type. KeraJa during current financial year; Increase in Price of Vitamin 'C' (b) if so, 'the places where these Exchange in Kerala circle are to be 4052. SHRIMATI KISHORI opened; and SINHA: Will the Minister of CHEMI- CALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased (c) the time by wh icll these Ex- to state; changes 8re likely to be in operation?

(a) whethel' Government have THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNI- allowl:d increase in ;Jrice of Vitamin 'c' CATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS manufactured by Indian Drug Com- MIRDHA) ; (a) Yes, Sir. panies recently;

(b) The information is given in the (b) if so, the rersons thereof ; and attached Statement. (c) bow many times during tbe last (c) The exchanges are likely to be 12 months prige increase was allowed commissioned during 1985-86 subject and by how much ? to availability of equipment and other stores. THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS Statement AND FERTlUZERS AND INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI Name of the places where th 0 Ex- VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) and (b); changes are proposed to be opened. The retention price of Vitamin 'c, and its salts manufactured by Mis. Sarabhai 1. Murickassery M. Chemicals, a Unit of Mis. Ambala 107 Written Answers APRIL 23, 1985 Writ/en Answers 108

Sarabbai Enterprises was increased (b) whether approval of Government under the proviisons of the Drugs is taken at the time of raising the prices (Prices Control) Order, 1979 on 27th of medicines by manufacturing March, 1985. The increase in price companies; was allowed based on the recommendations of the Bureau of Industrial Costs (c) if so, tbe details regarding the and Price. number and names of drugs whicb havo been introduced in the market after tbo price index based order as per approval (c) During the year 1984-85, tbe of Government; and increase in price of Vitamin 'C' and its salts was allowed only once on 27th March,1985. (cj) the steps Government propose to take to make them availlablc for. Setting up of Fertilizer Factories common people? with Naphtba as Feedstock THE MINISTER OF CHEMICAL 4053. SHRI SATYENDRA AND FERflLlZERS AND INDUSTR)' NARA Y AN SINHA: will tbe Minister AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHR1 of CHEMICALS AND FER nUZERS VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) No, Sir. be pleased to state: The prices of most medicines are regu- 1ated under tbe provisions of Drugs (a) whether more fertiliz.:r factories (Prices Control) Order, 1979. with naphtha as feedstock are proposed to be set up ; (b) Prior approval. of the Govern' ment is requirred to be obtained by tbe manufacturers under the provisions of (b) if so, the number of such tbe s'lid Ord~r before rcvi" ing (he prict:~ factories being set up and the location of price controlled formulations. thereof ; and (c) and (d): There are 3~ 7 price (c) wbetbu tbis decision was due to controlled bulk drugs whicb are delays in setting up gas-based fertilizer specified in the first and the second units? &cbcdule to the Drugs (Prices Centrol) O.der, 1979. Formulations based on THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS these drugs run into large numbers. AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY Statutory control on tbe price AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI of these bulk drugs and tbe if VEERENDRA PATJL): (a \ and (b) ; formulations ensure their availability to Yes, Sir. A factory based on naphtha the consumer at fair and reasonable as feedstock is being set up at Kak in ada pric~s. in AOdhra Pradesh. Manufacture of Civilian Items by (c) No, Sir. Garden Reach Workshop Ltd., Calcutta

F ixatioD of Prices of Medicines 4055. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI: Will the Minister of 4054. SHRI LAKSHMAN DEFENCE be pleased to state: MALLICK: Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND FERTILJZERS be (a) whether his Ministry is a~are pleased to state : that Gardeo Reach Worksbop Ltd., Calcutta is also manufacturing seme (8) whether Government are aware noo-defence civilian items like road that the prices of medicines are very roller etc; bi,h and common people do not find themselves in a position to buy them ; (b) if so, the reasons therefor; 109 Written Answers VAISAKHA 3, 1907 (SAKA) Wrftten Answers 110

(c) whether there is any proposal (b) Does not arise. that Garden Reach Workshop Ltd., ,hould manufacture only regulard efence (c) The import and procurement of items; and drugs is regulated under tbe Import and Enort Policy in force from time to time. No instances of tbe nature (d) if so, the details of the pro· referred to has com: to tbe notice of posal? the Ministry.

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (d) Does I]ot arise. (SHRI P.y. NAR'SIMHA RAO): (8) Yes, Sir. Release of Additional Levy Cement to State Governmeflt (b) Non·defence items have been taken up for manufacture to ensure 4057. SHRI LAKSHMAN better capacity utilization. MALLICK: W ill the Minis.ter of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AF. (c) and (d) : No, Sir. However, pro· PAIRS be pleased to state: posals to rationalise ,the product mix in order to improve the financial perfor- (a) whether there is any proposal mance of the Company are under by Union Government ror the release of consideration. additional levy cement to some State Government besides their normal Inspection of Companies for Misuse allotment for their important projects; of Imported Raw M:ltcriaJ and

4056. SHRI LAKSHMAN (b) if so, tbe details tbereof ? MALLICK: Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN pleased to state: THE MINISTRY OP INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF (a) the number of inspections carried MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) No, Sir. out to prevent the misuse of canalised (b) Does not arise. inported raw materials during the years 1982·83 and 1983·84 ; Development of TelecommUDicatioll5 Facilities iu Koraput District of (b) the names of tbe companies Orissa inspected and the nature of irregularities that have come to light; 4058. SHRI OIRIDHAR GOMANGO : Will tbe Minister of (c) whether instances of large scale COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to procurement and import of bulk drugs state: and imported bulk drugs of some foreign companies and others have been (a) the programme prepared and brQught to his nolice ; and approved during the Sixth PIau for the development or telecommunications (d) if so, the action taken in tbis in Koraput District of Orissa by Orissa Circle and exccut~d ; regard? (b) the name of the places provided THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY telephone facilities, opened new AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI exchJnges and tbe blocks and Bub· divisions connected witb District and VEERENDRA PA TIL): (a) No inspections in tbis respect were carried other sub-Divisional headquarters so Ollt. far; t 11 Written Answer! APRIL 23, 1985 Written Answers 112

(c) whether all the Sixth Five Year 7. Atomatise Koraput excbange Plan programmes have been com- by 400 lines MAX·II (electro- pleted ; nie).

(d) if not, tbe reasons tbereof; Executed: and 1. Commissioned 9 new MAX.III (25 lines). (e) the details of the Seventh Plan programmes prepared and submitted to 2. Expanded exchange capacity by his Ministry for tribal area, particularly S75 lines. Koraput District? 3. Opened 37 LOPTs/COs.

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF 4. TeJex exchange-nil. THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNI- CATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS 5. Three manual trunk boards. MIROHA): (a) The information is given in Statement I. 6. Five Open Wire carrier systems.

(b) The inTormation is given in Statement II Statement II. 1. Ambadola (c) No Sir, a few of the programml S could not be completed. 2. Boipariguda 3. Borigumma (d) The information is &iven in Statement III. 4. Bissam Cuttak 5. B;llimela (e) The information is ginn in Statement III. 6. Chitra Konda

:'3tatement I ? Oamanjodi 8. Oamanjodi Township The Programmes Proposeil and Exe- cuted during Sixth Plan in Korapllt 9. Panchapatimail (Damajodi llil' Disfrinct Tap).

II. The Names of Places Pro.ided Proposed: Telephone Fecilities i.e. 1. Commission 2 new MAX·II 25 LDPTs/COs During 6th lines. Plan.

2. Expand exchange capacity by 1. Atlgaon 108:> lines. 2. Ambadola

3. Open S3 long distance public 3. B. Singhpur telephone/COs. 4. Balimela 4. One telex exchange. 5. BaligaoD

S. ODe manual trunk board. 6. Bikrampur 7. Bhejahandi 6. Commission 6 open wire carrier s),slems. 8. Chaodrapur VAISAKHA 3. Itt' (lIfKA)

9. Charamula Kat.mi LDPT8 O~ited lit AmbtldtIIa, &JI- m,la, ChltralctMlda SIIiuFIII". ~onr'rt'd 10. Cbitrutonda to MIfX:l11 .

11. Chand iii Durl", 6t1l PIM

12. Danlasurda III. 1. KalimeJa Block Head. U. DiJjsalpba quarrer COdfJeCfed to its subdi'ltliOMl ~.quartor 14. Dom~sora at Malkangiri.

15. Dumuripat 2. K~_ .~ block beadqaaFtor O8IIIJeCted to 16. Girla its sub·divilioDal bead. quarter at Ra,apda. 17. Jaltar 3. 18. Jhaliaada

19. Kumoli

20. Kamta 21. Kunduli D"." 0/ Pro,.,,,,,,,,,, 1101 COlli- 22. Kalyan SiDlbpar plet,d Durl", 6th Pia ..... T1rereof 23. Kujondri 1. LDPTs/COs could not be pro- 24. Kalimcla vided due to billy terrai•• power paralalilm aad short•• 25. Kanlo of stores. 26. Limapadar 2. Koraput cxcbanlo could Dot be 27. Maida)por automatised due to non-avai· latii lity 0' eq1ripmcnt and 28. Nuakotc building.

29. Patraput 3. Telex ezcb&nac could aot be commiuioaed for want of 30. Putaaiol requisite domaad.

31. Ramairi Details 01 7th Plan ProP"SQU for Trib,,1 ifr'" i" KorOl'" District 32. Rajoda 1. Openiol of 13 MAX·m '"'" 33. SootIi excbanges.

34. Sitapalli 2. lDcrGasc in ezcbaolO capacitJ b,. 1800 lincs. 3 S. Sitarpai 3. OpebiDl of US LDPTs/Dh. 36. T imbar la 4. Ope.... of ones now NJa .. 3'. Ukomba chan,c. Written AnswtrS 116 11 5 Wrfttln Ansl\ ers APRIL %3. 198~

s. Introduction of point.to-point (b) Does Dol arise. srD on tbree routes. (c) 10 (e) : Proposal for new Tele. 6. 100 Kms UHF routes to be graph Sub-Division at Raysgada will be taken up when justified as per added. existing standards.

V, Seven manual eltchange to be Functioning of Legal Aid Committee automatised. In 6upreme Capr! aod Higb COurts

8. Introduction of integrated digital 4060. SHRI ANANTA PRASAD network plan in Koraput secon· SETHI: Will tbe Minisl~r of LAW daryarea. AND JUSTICE be pleased to slate:

(a) whetber Legal Aid Committees Tbe above proposals will be \ aken ha ve been functioniog in the Supreme up subject to availabilty of slores, Cou rt and io tbe various High Courts resourses and financial viability of for giving legal aid to tbe poor; projects. (b) if so, the procedure adopted in Opening of New Telepbone Sub· this regard; aod Division at R8yagada in Orissa (c) tbe details regarding the finan- 4059. SHRI GlRlDHAR cial assistance being provided to the GOMANGO: Will the Minister of Supreme Court as well as High Courts? COMMUNICATIONS be ple1sed to atate : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND (a) wbetber tbere was a move to JUSTICE (SHRI H. R. BHARDWAJ): de1ink tbe Gunupur :lTea from &rhum- (a) Yes, Sir. pllr Sub' Division Telepho~e. ~nd to mergo it with Jeypore Sub-DIvIsIon; (b) The procedure adopted by tbe Legal Aid Committee fUnctioning in the (b) if so, the progress made in this Supreme Court is governed by tbe direction; Office Memorandum dated 10.7.1981 issued by Government, a COpy of wbicb (c) whether the new Telephone is placed on the Table of tbe House. sub.division at Rayagada is going to be opened bifllrcating tbe existing leypore [Placed in Library. See No. LT- Sub·Division ; 1091/85J. As tbe State Gov,'mments are concerned witb the Legal Aid Pro· (d) if so, wben this proposed new grammes in their respectiva Stales, sub· division is going to be opened; GovernmeDt bas no information regard· and ing the details of the procedure adopted by the Legal Aid Committee function- (e) if not, tbe reasons thereof? ing in the various Higb Courts.

THB MINISTER OF STATE OF (cl Government have rrovided THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNI· financial ass istance to tbe Legal Aid CATIONS (SHRI RAM NIW AS Committee functioning in the Supremo MIRDHA) : (a) No, Sir. Court as under : 117 W,llt~n Answ~'s V A1SAKHA 3. 1907 (SAK~) W,Jtt4n Answ~,,, 11i

(b) As tbis cooperation is strictly Financia I Amount of on scientific exchangcs and need·based Year the Grant it is not possiblc to enumerate tbem. Suffice it to state tbat there are no ------reserva tions in tbis cooperation. 1980-81 25,000.00

1981-82 1,00.000.00 Rejected/Pending RecommeodatioOll of the Sarin Committee on 1982-83 2,57,813.27 TelecommuoicatioDl

1983-84 3,46,186.30 4062. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARASHAR: Will tbe Mioiscer of 1984-85 3,94,000.00 COMMUNICA nONS be pleased to ------state:

Giving of financial assistance to the (a) whether any of tbe recommen- Legal Aid Committee fUllctioning in the dations of tbe Sarin Committee on various High Courts is primarily the Telecommunications bave been rejected concern of the respective State Govern- or are still pending decision with ments. However, on the recommenda- Government ; tions of the Committee for implementing Legal Aid Schemes constituted by (b) if so, the details thereof includ- Government, grants-in-aid to the Legal ing the reasons for rejection; and Aid and Advice Boards of States is provided in some cases depending on the programme or project concerned. (c) the likely date by which a decision would be taken in case of those which are still pending indicating tbe Coordination Activities of 8habba reasons for delay? Atomic Research Centre, Indian Space Research Organisation THE MINISTER OF STATE OF and I.P.A.G. with D.R.D.O. THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICA- TIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS 4061. SHRI N. DENNIS: Will MIRDHA): ordination of tbe activities of Bhabha Atomic Re- (b) The recommendations have been search Centre, Indian Space Research rejected due 10 eitber material and Organisation and Information Planning financial constraints or due to adminis- and Analysis Group with the activities trative, technical and technological of Defence Research and Dovelopment reasons. The pending recommendations Organisation ; and mainly pertain to formation of Tele- com. Zones, splitting of TTl into two (b) if so, the detai s in tbis regard? independent units and integration of Telecom. Engineering Divisions witb THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE Telegraph Traffic Divisioos. (SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO): (a) There is excellent scientific coopera- (c) Almost all the pending recom· tion among Indian laboratories includ- mendations have been agreed in princi- ing research departments of Univer- ple and tbe Department is now examin- sities. iog tbe details of tbeir implementatiolllOi AP1UL 23, 1985 Written Answers 120

Reshlentlal AceommociatioD for StatemeDt-1 PoItaI_ TelleR ...... io. Eaployeel TELECOM. ------.---.- 4063. PloOF. NARAIN CHAND PAR ASHAR : Will tbe Minister of SI. Name of Circle Staif COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to No. quarters state : satisfaction (a) wbetber Goverment are aecord------;---- ... ----- ing due priority to tbe provision of 1 2 3 fOIi4eatial accommodatioo for Postal _ TeIeoommuication employees in ------die lIdMIG/nuai areas ; 1. Andbra Pradesh 8.7%

(b) if 80, the percentage of (i) 2. Bihar 10.00%· PeIal (ii) TeleeommQDication em- pIoy6ll'who have been provided witb 3. Gujarat 2.S% reeideorial aecommodlltioo as at tbe ... of the Siath Five Year Plan (31 4. J &K 3• .5% March. 1985) in eacb Postal/Telecom- munication Circle or district of the S. Karnataka 5.4%" ~; 6. Kerala 5.61% (c) wbether it is proposed to increase the percentage significantly dur- 7. M.P. 7.1% in, the Seventh Five Year Plan; 8. Maharashtra 4.6%

(d) wbether aoy specific all :>cation 9. Orissa 9.77+2.02 would also be made for rural areas in =11.79% which tbe employees find ft difficult to haw residential accommodation even on 10. Rajasthan 11.34% teat; and 11. Tamil Nadu 3.38+ 1.54 (0) if 10, tbe details tbereof ? =4.92%

THe MINISTBR OF STATE OF 12. U.P. 6.33% THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICA- TIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS 13. West Beoga) 4.6% MIRDHA) : Yes, Sir. 14. T & D Circle 12.80% (b) As in Statement-I (Telecom,) ... Statement-If (Postal). 15. O.M. (TF) Calcutta 4.5 %0 16. ALTTC, Gbaziabad 60.50% (c) Dependina tll'oo the aVailabilit, of fpnds tbe poleopta&e will bo iocreaa. 17. N.W. Circle 7.6 %0 ~ suitAbly. 18. North East~ircle 9.3%'" . (d). Con8tfiHJUog of staff quarters In various areas in planned takin, into Telephone Distrlels : aceount tbe avaiJ",bility of (aad, and I. A,ra laad lor cooltruction. 6.5% 2. Ahmedabad S.86~ (0) Does .Dot arise in vi,,, of (d) tIfJove. . 3. Amrilsa, sB VAtSAKHA 3, 1901 (SAKA) Wrltten AtrlWtrS 121

3 3 1 2 1 2

2.35% 9.8% 4. B!oplore 30. Varanasi 2.13%'" S. Baroda 31. Allahabad 4% 4.88Z 6. Bombay Marked *=- satisfaction 3S on 4.3% 31.3.1984. 7. Calcutta

I. Calicut ,.2% Statement-II 13.84% POSTAL 9. Cbandigarb 12.31% Circle-wise percentage satisfaction 10. coMabatoro of residential arcommodation for 7.76%- the Postal Staff as on 31.3.1985 1 t. Delhi 3.38% 12. 2rnakvlllffi Name of the Postal Percentage Circle 13. Oaubati 5.62%

14. Hyderabad Andhra Pradesh 2.8 6.710-I 15. Indore Bibar 4.74 11.00% 16. Jaipur Delhi 8.81 8.18% 17. Jutluodur Gujar3t 3.31

18. Kaapur 8% Jammu & Kashmir 3.7

19. Lucknow Karoataka 5.06 5.1% 20. LdIIIMyana Kera!a 10.00

21. Mtlda"as 5.4% Madbya Pradesh 6.58

22. Madurai 1.8% Maharashtra 1.22

:n. Mag}Mlr ~.49 %0 * North Eastern 5.33

24. Patna 6% North Weltern 6.S

25. Pune 5.97.%· Orissa 6.06

26. J1ajkot 8.9% Rajasthan S.3

21. s.at 1.08%· Tamil Nadu 6.9

28. Trivandrum 7.11 % Uttar Pradesh 4.16

29. VijaY.Mreda 5.(S8%· West Bengal 4.15 i 23 Written Answer' APRIL 23, 1985 Written Answers 124

Opening of Petroleum/Diesel Outlets after the dealer is selected, the dealer- and Gas Agencies in Himachal select is required to complete various Pradesh and Punjab formalities such as procurement of site, obtaining licences/No Objection Certi- ficate from various authorities etc. 4064 PROF. NARAIN CHAND Only after completion of these forma- PARASHAR: Will the Minister of lities, the construction and installation PETROLEUM be pleased to state : of equipment is possible. It is, therefore, not feasible to precisely indicate (a) the names of the places, in the time for selection and commission- Himachal Pradesh and Punjab, district- ing of dealership. wise, where the opening of Petroleum/ Diesel outlets and gas agencies were Allotment of Gas Agencies in approved during the financial year Himachal Pradesh 1982-83, 1983·84 and 1984-85 and the details of the persons/parties to 4065. PROF. NARAIN CHAND whom theae have been allotted ; PARASHAR: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to state: (b) the names of such places among (a) whether gas agencies for the them, where the outlets/agencies have district headquarters of e&cb oDe of since been opened ; the twelv~ districts of Himachal Pradesh have been advertised and allotted dur- (c) the likely date by which the ing the past three ysars ; remaining would be opened ; (b) if so, the names of the parties (d) whether any cases for allotment to whom the agencies have been allott- are still pending ~ith Government after ed and whether any of the agencies was their having been advertised and appli- reserved for any particular group I ike cations invited; the ex·servicemen/war widows/SC/sr or unemployed gradual es/matriculates ; (e) if so, the details thereof and the reasons fo:- not allotting them so (c) if so, whether all the allotments far: and were made keeping in view the reservation ;

(f) the likely date by which these (d) if not, the names of such dis- would be allotted? trict headquarters for which the allot· ments were made on being deserved; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF and THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NA W AL KISHORE SHARMA) : (e) whether any of the allotments (a) and (b): The required information are still pending the names of the is given in the Statement laid on district headquarters concerned and the the Table of the House. [Placed in likely date by which these would be Library. See No. LT -1092/85]. advertised and allotted?

(c) to (f): As indicated in the state- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF ment, allotment of dealerships is still THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM pending at some locat ions. The selec- (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): tion process involves advertisement, (a) and (b): The required information scrutiny of applications by the concern- is given in the enclosed statement. ed oil company; interviews by the concerned Oil Selection Board (OSB) and the (cl and (d) : All allottmeots except- field investigations of the cases recom- ing the cases at serial numbers 5 and 7 mended by the OSB. This procedure of the enclosed statement were made in takes a considerable time. Similarly, accordance with the reservation policy. 125 Written Answers VAISAKHA 3, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 126

(c) The process for selection in res distributorship has been planned by tbe peel of LPG distributiorships at Una, Oil Industry in respect of Kalpa (Kin- Solan aDd Simla is under way· No naur) due to inadequate potential.

Statement

The Particulars of LPG Distributorships Allotted at the District Headquarters in Himachal Pradesh Alongwith 'he Names of the Parties and Categories are given below :

SI No. Distt. Nos. Civil Distt, Name of party Catogory to whom awarded

1 2 3 4 5

1. Bilaspur Bilaspur Shri Tekcband Physically Saini Handicapped

2. Chamba Chamba Shri Dinesh Unemployed Parashar Engg, Graduate

3. Hamirpur Hamirpur Sbri Ram Krishan Freedom Nanda Fighter

4. Sultanpur Kulu Shri Dharam Bir Open (Kulu)

5. Keylong Lahul Spiti HP Food & Civil On ad-hoc Supplies Corpn. basis

6. Mandi Mandi Shri Ratan Lal Rao Scheduled Shri Kuldeep Rao Tribes

7. (a) Simla Simla Smt. Vimla On compassio. M;,hajan nate grounds directly

8. (b) Simla Simla Shri Kashmir Singh Scheduled Caste/Scheduled Tribe

8. Naban Sirampur Shri Abhilasb Open Shankar Bansal

9. Solan Solan Shri Vipur Kumar PhYSically Geel Hand icapped

10. Dharamshala Kangra Mrs. Rita Bhardwaj Unemployed Graduate

(No allotments have been made so far Una and K;innaur district). 127 W,itten AlUWftIs W,itten AIUWHS 118

Industrial Licences for Bulk Drug9 3. Meaestrol Acetate

4066. SHRI R. M. BHOYE: Will 4. Metbdilaziue HCL the Minister of CHEMICALS A'ND FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: S. Meclazine HCL (a) the names of bulk drugs for 6. Vitamin E Acetate which high technology certificates bll'fe been given to foreign drug companies 7. Vitamin K4 Water/Oil soluble to enable them to su~mit proposals for iodustri aJ licence ; 8. CIlI()roquine Phospbllte

(b) the considerations and basis on 9. Resotren Substance (Chloqui. which such clearance are given; and nate)

(c) the number of requests for such 10. DipheDyl Hydantoin clearances pending with the Ministry and the bulk drugs if any, for which 11. Tetramisole they have sought clearance? 12. Halothane

THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS 13. Telmosol AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUS- TRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS 14. Phenothiazine (SRRI VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) to (c): A High Level Committee 15. Crystalline Insulin constituted by Government in April, 1978 considered the processes of 207 16. Ibuptofen drugs and fJund 93 of these as involving high technology. This categorisation 17. Dapsone was intimated to the concerned companies as well as to public, vide the 18. Diethyl Carbamilzine Citrate Press Note dated 29th December, 1979. List of these 93 drugs is 19. Digoxin attached. 20. Pyrimethamine This Committee adopted 12 technical criteria for identifying processes 21. Trimetboprim involving high technology. 22. Lynestrenol

Representations wece received from 23. Etheyl Estradiol 3-Methyl Etber 10 companies against the decision of (Mestrd!1ol) the High Level Committee in respect of 37 drugs. These representations 24. Meth,l Testosterone have since been rejected. 2S. Methanedionone (if produced from DRA acetate) LIST 26. Estradiol/Estradiol Propionate List of High Technology bulk drugs Identified by the High Level 27. Btbynyl Estradiol Committee 28. ProgesteTone 1. Betameth::.sone 29. TestoiteronojPropioaate/ 2. Vitamin 'A' Palmitate Valerioate 129 Written Answera VAISAKHA 3;, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 130

30. Phanquone 55. Cbloramphenicol

31. Tetracycline BCL 56. TetracJcline

32. Chlorotetracycline 57. Oxytetracycline

33. Demetbyi Chiorotetracycline 58. IN H

34. TrihexyphenidyJ HCL 59. PAS/Sodium PAS 35. Baraigon Ketone 60 .. Vitamin 'A' Acetate 36. Tetanus Antitoxin 61. Debydro Emetine Dihydro- 37. FMD Vaccine chloroide

38. Hemaccel Sterile 62. Diazepam

39. Frusemide 63. ChlordiEzepoxinc 64. Calcium Gluconate 40. Glybenciamide

41. Surgical Catgut (Non-Sterile, 65. Calcium Lactobionate BPC·I049) 6'. Ferrous Gluconate 42. Needled Absorable Suture (Cat· gut) Non·Sterile 67. Calcibromate

43. Metronidazole 68. Magnesium Gluconato

44. Vitamin B12 69. lntestopan Substance

45. Dexamethasone Pure 70. Betametbasone Valerate

46, Testosterone!Decanoate!1socap. 71. Sporiac roate Phenyl Propioate 72. Sanzyms (Fungal. Diastase) 47. Testosterone Undecylenate 73. Pyridine and Picolines and 48. NandroJone Decanoale} Heavy Bases (Drug Interme- Phenyl Propionate diate) 49. Allysestrenol and Ethylestronol 74. HYdrocbortisone

SO. Ethisterone 75. Hydrochortisone Acetate 51. Desoxycort icosterone Pheny 1 76. Prednisolone Propionate (DOCPP) 77. Prednisolone Acetate 52. Progesterone 78 . Prednisone 53. Betametbasone Disodium Phosphate 79. Progesterone

54. Human Chorionic Gonodotro- 80. 17.Hydroxy Proxy Proges. pbin (HCO) terODe Acetate 131 WrItten Answers APRIL 23; 1985 Written Answers 132

81. 17-Hydroxy Progesterone awardees of Sena Medal belonging to Caproate Delhi?

Dehydro Epiandro Sterone 82. THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE Acetate (DHA Acetate) (SHRI P. V. NARSIMHA RAO): (a) Certain State Governments and Union 83. Methyl and Rostenediol Territory Administrations give cash (Intermediate) grants to awardees of the Sena Medal series. 84. Vitamin E Succinate

85. Testosterone and its Salts (b) and (c): Particulars of these officers who were awarded Sena Medal 86 ETH-Obeptazine Citrate were asked for by the Delhi Administra. tion from Army Headquarters and the 87. Benzathine-Poncilline G same have been sent by the latter. 88. Mephenttrmine Sulphate Tn addition, information in respect 89. Phenyl Batazone of two other officers asked for by tbe Rajya Sainik Board, Delhi has also 90. Oxyphenyl Butazone been provided by Army HQrs.

91. Chlorthalidone (d) No application for cash awards in respect of Sena Medal awardees 92. Carbamazeppine belonging to Delhi is pending in the Ministry of Defence. 93. Imipramine HCL Ban Orders to make any Appointments Cash Award to Awardees of SeDa ir. P & T Deplt. Medal by State Governments! Union Territory Administration 4068. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: Will the Minister of COMMUNI- 4067. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: CATIONS be ple4sed to state: Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state : (a) wbether imposition of ban orders to make any appointments has (a) whether any cash award is given preVf;:Dted the P & T authorities to to the awardees of Sena Medals by the open new D.P.G S IE.D,B.Os. in the State Government/Union Territol)' Ad- places where these were sanctioned mini&trative to which "they belong; earlier;

(b) if so, whether any reference has (b) the steps being taken by Govern- been made by the Delhi Administration ment to open them ; . to bis Ministry for furnishing the particulars of the awardees of Sena Medal (c) ,hether the E.D.As & E.D.D. who have applied to Delhi· Administra. As. are not Government scrnnfs ; and tion for each awards; (d) if so, the reaSOLS for extending (c) the date by which the required the ban orders on their appointments? particulars will be supplied to the Delhi Admini:;tration ; and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICA· (d) the number of applications TIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS l pending for giving cash awards to MIRDHA): (a) Yes. Sir. 133 WrhMR Answers VAISAKHA 3, J907 (SAKA)

(b) Due to economy orders, no Delay in Announcing Results of steps are feasible to be taken except Elections in Bihar that in some exceptional cases relaxa- 4070. SHRI VIJAY KUMAR tio ... was obtained to open a fow post YADA V : Will tbe Minister of LAW offices during 1984-85. AND JUSTICE be pleased to state:

(c) EDAs and EDDAs are part- . (a) whether there had been an time employees of the Postal Depart- inordinate delay in anDouncing tbe ment. results of elections in all the constituencies in Bihar; and (d) Economy orders are for crea- 'ion of Dew posts and as the opening of (b) if so, how many days it took post offices involve creation of posts, to complete the counting of all the economy orders are attracted. constituencies and tbe reasons tberefor ?

Declarafi{)n of Industrill.lIy Backward THE MINISTER OF STATE IN District in Tamil Nadu THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUS~ TICE (SHRI H. R. BHARDWAJ): (a) and (b): There are 324 assembly 4069. SHRI N. DENNIS: Will constituencies in the Bihar Legislative the Minister of INDVSTRY AND A~si)mbly. Poll was countermanded COMPANY AFFAIRS be pI .ased to in four consti tuencies due to the death state : of contesting candidates and in one constituency all nomination papers were (a) whe;hcr Government of Tamil rejected by the Returning Officer. Thus Nadu have made any request for dec- elections were held in 319 constituencies laring some of their districts as indus- on the 2nd and 5th March, 1985. The trially backward; results were declared for all these constituencies within eight days. A (b) jf so, the details thereof statement is attached showing the num' ber of constituencies and dates of dec- (c) the funds earmarked by Union laration of results The short delay in Government for the upLftID<:nt of back· declaration of results in some consti- ward oistricts in Tamil Nadu ; and tuencies was due to adjournmc[,t of poll, fresh poll or tbe need to recheck the counting of ballots in accordance with (d) whether Government have re- tbe directions of the Election Com- ceived any plan for tbe upliftment of mission. the backward districts in Tamil Nadu ? Statement THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND Dale-wise decla,.ation of election COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF ,.esults, supplied by the Election MOHAMMAD KHAN); (a) No, Sir. Commission

(b) Does not arise. Date on which Total number declaration of of constitu- (c} No State·wise allocation of result was made tuencies funds is made under the Central Invest- ment Subsidy Scheme. Tamil Nadu was 1 2 the highest recipient of Central Subsidy during the years 1983-84 (Rs.' 7.29 crores) and 1984-85 (Rs. 9.26 crores). 5.3.1985 39

(d) No; Sir. 6.3.1985 198 135 Written Answer; APRIL 23. 1985 Written Answ.rs 136

to-date. Before the Official Languages 2 WiDg can be entrusted with the work of preparing original drafts of legislation in Hindi independently, the neces- 61 7.3.1985 srry expertis

(a) whether China bas deployed (e) whether aoy excess payment has sobmariues in tbe Indian OceaD ; been made;

(b) if so, the reaction of Govern- (f) whether there is any clause in ment tbereto ; the agreement for claiming damages from the American Company for early (c) the action taken or proposed to closure of the contract; and be taken to keep our Nevy on alert to meet any eventuality? (g) if so. the steps Government propose to take to implement the various THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE clauses of the contract with this com- (SHal P. V. NARSIMHA RAO): (:1) pany ? Goycrnment have no information as to whether China has deployed submarines THE MINISTER OF STATE OF in the Indian Ocean. THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NA WAL KISHORE SHARMA) : (b) Government have been in favour (a) and (b) : The contract was for a of the Indian Ocean being maintained period of three ycars and could _be eK- as a zone of peace and have taken tended for a further period of two several diplomatic initiatives to this years at the option of contractor viz. Chevron Oil Company, which it did not end. exercise.

(c) The Government of India keep all developments having a boaring on (c) None, the country's security UDder constant observation, with a view to taking (d) Yes, Sir. appropriate measures from time to time to maintain full defence preparedness. (e) Does not arise. The Indian Navy is being constantly re- equipped, modernised and developed in keeping with the emerging threat per- (0 Yes, Sir. ceptions. (g) Since no discovery was made Contract with U.S. Company for Oil and the company did not opt for fur- Exploration in Sanrashtra ther exploration, contract automati- cally terminated on tbe expiry of tbree 4073. SHRI Y. S. MAHAJAN: years. Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to state : High Court Judges

(a) whether a U_S. Company wbich 4074. SHRI D. K. NAIKAR: had entered into :ontract for five years Will the Minister of LAW AND JUS- for all exploration in Saurashtra. bas TICE be pleased to state: decided to quit the contract; (a) tbe total number of High Court (b) if so. whetber such a course is Judges in the country, State-w ise; and permissible under the provisions of the con traG! ; (b) how many of tbem beloDg to Scheduled Castes/Scheduled Tribes (c) the amounts of money so far and Backward Classes ? paid to the American Company ; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN (d) whether it is in a~coIdance with THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUS- th:! terms of tbe contract ; TICE (SHRI H. B.. BHARDWAJ): (a) B9 Wrilten Alt8Wers APRIL 23. 1985 written Answer" 140

The requisite ioformation showinl the New Telepbone and Telex Exchanges position as on 1.4.198~ is given in the attached statement. 4075. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: SHRI NARAIN (b) The requlslte information is CHOUBEY: beiDg collected and will be laid on tbe Table of the House. Will the Minister of COMMUNI- CATIONS be pteased to state: Statement (a) tbe Dumber of new telephones, trunk and telex exchanges commissioned SI. No. High Court Number of in Bombay, Delhi, Calcutta. Madras Judges in Pune and Nagpur in ]983, 1984 and position 1985 (upto 1 March, 1985) ; as OD 1.4.1985 (b) whether the expenditure in con------nection with the commissioning of Dew Exabanges during that period is cOlUi. ) . Allahaban 51 dered 8S plan expenditure ; 2. Andbra Pradesh 20 3. Bomb:JY 36 (c) whether any posts of telephone 4. Calcutta 36 operators, technicians, junior engineers, auto exchange assistants, wiremen, line- 5. Delhi 25 men and mazdoor and other class <0' 6. Gauhati 7 workmen were sanctioned for the above 7. Gujarat 18 new exchanges in each city; and 8. Himachal Pradesh 6 (d) if so, the category-wise, Ex- 9. Jammu & Kashmir 6 change-wise and year-wise details 10. Karoataka 23 tbereof ? 11. Kerala 16 12. Madhya Pradesh 27 THE MINISTER OF STATE OF 13. MaJras 19 THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICA- TIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS 14. Orissa 10 MIRDHA): (a) Required information 15. Patna 32 is given in Statement·l attached. 16. Punjab and Haryana 17 (b) Ycs, Sir. 17. Rajasthan 14 J 8. Sikkim 2 (c) and (d): The details of staff sanctioned category·wiso and exchange- Total 365 wise are as shown in Statement-II attached. 141 Written Amwer,t VAlSAKllA 3. 1907 (~AKA) Written Allswers 142

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Loss in Industrial Production due to THE MINISTER OF ST A TE IN Strikes Ilnd Lockouts duriug 1983-85 THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI 4076. PROP. RAMKRISHNA ARIE MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) A MORE: Will the MinL1er of INDU S- Statement giving tbe available information on tht' loss in indnstrial production TRY AND COMPANY AFFAlxS be due to strikes and lockouts is enclosed. ple ... sed to state: \_bJ Government are keeping a cons- (a) the loss in industria I product ion tunt wc;tch on the industrial relations due to strikes and lockouts during Ih!' situation in th~ country. The Industrial period 1983-8S; and Relations Machinary both at the Centre aDd in the States continue to make . efforts to reduce work-stoppages through (b) tbe step" being l<~kCil to prcw,nt preve\~ t ive m.:di3 tion. conci lia tion, loss of productiou in fu lure ? adjudication and arbitration.

Statement

Statem_ nt gi.il,g value of productiJn loss due to strikes ond lockouts during 1983-84

Value of ProductlOn loss (Rs. ~'1 croTes) ------Strikes Lockouts Total

}'Jl)3 (PI 247.12* 164.68 4i 2.39 (1259) (270) (1529)

1984 \P) 140.18 78.36 218.54 \ 786) (99) (895)

(P) = Provisional. (*) = Excluding Bombay Textile Strike.

N.H.-Figures in brackets mdicatt,; the number of disputes to whIch the data relate.

Closed Paper Factorjes (c) tbe steps being taken to restart these factories? 4077. PROF. RAMKRISHNA MORE: Wi!: the Mllli';u:r of INDUS- TH~ MINI:iTER Of STATE IN TRY AND COMPANY AFFAiRS b .. THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY plcastd to sl ate : AND COL'"IPA:W AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MuHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) (a) wh"llier H IS a fact thal ~eVtfai Three large imegrated Pulp and Paper big pjper f,.ctQries

(b) if so, tho reasons thereof; and include management deficienciesJ shor- 1S1 Wrltte" Atuwer,

tago of raw materials aod power, labour Managers, Additional Maoalers and problems. machinery obsoloscence. finan- other top officials in tbe Oil IlDd Natu- cial problema, etc. ral Oas Comm issioo during tbo last fow years as bas been reported in the (c) Government have initiated 'Times of India' of 28 March, 1985; neceasary dialoaues with financial institutions/State.Oovernments to work- au t thr ,p.cific mea lures required to (b) if 50, tbe details tbereof; festart thele paper mills.

(0) Whether Government had called Reflew or FlIIlctioolDg or O.N.G.C. for a tborough review of tbe CommIs- sion's functioning; aod 4078. SlmlUATJ OBBTA UUlC.HBIlJBB : SHRI NARYAN CHOUBBY : (d) If 10, tbe details of the review SHRI AJOY BISW AS : aod its findings and action taken, If any, SHRI RAN IlATAN IlAM: thereon? SHRl V. SItEENIVASA PRASAD: THB MINISTER OF STATE OF SHRI BALASAHEB VlKHE THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM PATIL: (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) and (b) : The following table gives Will the Minister of PETROLEUM the Dumber of the Oroup Oeneral be pleased to state : Managerl (GOMS)/Geoeral Manaien (OMS), Deputy Oeneral Mana,ers (a) whether thore has been an abnor· (DGMs) and Additional Directon (ADs) mal rise in tbe posts of General in position durinll tbe last four yean :

Date GGMs/GMs DOMs ADs Total

1.4.82 6 35 82 123

1.4.83 30 48 116 194

1.4.84 45 71 137 253

1.4.85 40 98 232 3'0

The activities of tbe Commission Indigenous Production or Drugs for have grown substantially dUring last five Treatment of Cancer years and tberefore there has been an increase in total maD-power also from 4019. SHRIMATI GBETA MUK· about 28000 to 40000 doring tbis HBRJEB : Will tbe Minister of CHBMI- period. CALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: (c) and (d) : No ,mera) review of the Commillsioo's functioning has been (a) whether Vinca Rosia, Dioscorea ordered. However, growtb in manpower etc. Indian ~lants aro exported to was reviewed and the ONOC bad given foreign couDtries at cbeap price and various jostifiQitioDS for thill increase. druls lite Oncovio (for treatment of U~ Written Amwnl VAISAKHA. 3. 1901 (SAKA) Written Answerl 154

Cancer) and steroids made out of these (a) whether no proper arrangements plants are imported in our country at have baen made for holding exhibitions very high price; and sale of books, magazines and litera- ture published by the Official Language (b) if so, wbether Hathi Committee Wing of the Legisktive D

(c) if 10, the reasons why no action (b) what remedial measures are pro- was taken by Government to manufac- posed to be taken by Government in ture indiaenou8 products which could this regard '1 have been cheapor and would ha ve saved foreign exchange ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUS- THE MINISTER OP CHEMICALS TlCE (SHRI H. R.BHARDWAJ) : (a) AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY and (b): The publications of the Official AND COMPANY AFPAIRS (SHRI LanlUagea Wing and tbe Vidhi Sahitya VEEaENDIlA PATlL) : (a) to (c): Ac- Prakashan of the Legislative Depart- cording to Import and Export Policy a ment are mainly in Hindi and they are number of plant and derivatives including in the nature of pioneeriog efforts to Diosgenin and Diosoorea roots are not promote Hindi in the field of law. The normally allowed for e.ports. sales of the publications will depend upon the demand therefor which in The Hathi Committee had identified turn would depend upon the extent to senral essential drugs derived from wbich Hindi is being used in the filed of plant materials and bad opened that of law in the various Sta(

Bnd made more aHrcct ive. Measures Balasore is like:y to be linked ~1 IifC being taken to further intensify the point-to'point STD with Bbubanesbwar publicity ar r[lngemeots. However, it dUl ing ] 98 _: -8 6. It is rroposed to would seem that unless the people open 30 new MAX· III type of excbanges become mort' eothusill~lic in cnc0uraging in 1985-36 The stations have not publicaliOfl~ in Hi3di "od other region"i yet been identified. languages, it will be difficult to expect any substant lal improvement in the Small capacity electronic exchanges positior: with regard to tn'! sales. ere expected to be received in 1985.86 at the following places: [English] Opening of New Telepbone Excbuoges 1. Keonjhar 400 lines and Post aod Telegraph OWces in Orissa 2. Koraput -do-

408!. SHRI LAKSHl\1AN 3. Phulb:lI1i -do - MALLICK Will the Minister of 4. Suuderg:uh -do- COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to sLlle : 5. Baripaola 600 lines (a) the Dsmes of the pl.lces in 6. Dbenkanal -do- Oriss:; \\ here autom.1tic exchanges are proposed I,) be inst~~ LeG or new Ex· 7,· S~mbalpur changes pr0pvoed to be set up and link· Satdllte -do- ed by STD with Bhubaneswar and other . cities in,iJe

The [,ames of pl ... ces in Oriss]. State 10. Sambalpur 10 where automatic exchanges are proposed to be installed during 1985'86 are: I!. Sundergarb 10 1.2. Cullack 20 1. Samboilpur -MAX·I 13. Gaojam IS 2. Balasore -MAX·II ------:--_...... :::_-----_ ISO ·3. Jepore -MAX~II ------___-.---.:....,1. ' VAISAKHA 3, 1907 (SAKA) Written AllNers 1S8

[~rcMs1dtimr] THE MINISTER OF STATE OF Central Capital Investment Subsidy THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICA- for Khandsari Industry TIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) Yes, Sir. 4082. SHRt BALKAVI BAlRAGt : SHRI MAHENDRA SINGH: (b) The strowgor MAX·n auto exchange is likely to be commissioned Will the Minister of IN'DUSTRY by tbe end of 1987 subject to availa. AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be bilily of resources. pleased to sla te : (c) No complaint from Modhya (a) whether Khandsari industry is Pradesh Govl. about inefficient function. eligible for grant under the Central ing of Mandiderp exchange bas been capital investment subsidy scheme; recd',ed. However, the dep:>rtmeot bas taken steps for the improvement of (b) if not, the reasens therefor; service dt!riog tbe month of Feb. 1985 and as a result of which the compbints have come down from 25 to IS per 100 subscribers. (c) whether any decision is being td:en to covar this industry un ler the [Translation] scheme? Waiting List for LPG Connections in Tribal Region THE MINISTER OF· STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND 4084 SHRI R. M. BHOYE: COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIP Will the Minister ()f PE'tROLEUM be MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) Yes, Sir. pleased to state:

(b) Does not arise. (a) th~ Dumber of persons on the waiting list for LPG connections at (c) Does nol arise. present in tbe tr.ibal region including Dbule district in Maharashtra ; Setting up of Telephone Exchange at (b) the pr.ogramme fur givmg LPG MaDdideep in Madbya Pradesb connections to the persons OD the waiting list during the current financial 4083. SHRI BALKA VI BAIRAGI : year; and Will. the Minister of COMMUNI- CATIONS be pleased to state: (c) when all the persons on the waiting list ;~re proposed to be given (a) whether Government of Madhya connections ? Pradesh bave allotted about 45,000 square feet laud in Mandideep industrial THE M~NISTER OF STATE OF area in tbe State for setting up a tele. THE MINISTR Y OF PETROLEUM phone exchange tbere and given its (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): possession to the Department; (a) The total number of persons on tbe wait iog list for LPG connections in (b) if so, the time by which a well districts having substantial tribal popu- equipment telephone exchange is likely' lation in Maharashtra is approximately to bc sct up there ; and 56,01)0.

(c) whether Madhya Pradesh (b) aDd (c) : Release of new LPG Government have wri:tten repeatedly connections is being done under a to UnioJl Govercmeilt regarding ineffi· phased enrolment programma whicb cient fUllctioning of Mandideep auto includ..:s opening of new bottling plants, exchange and if so, the actions taken by appointment of new dealers. procure- tbo,Union Governmont it! tbis regard? ment of adequate equipments etc. 1S9 Wrltte" Answer. APRIL 23, 1985 fYrlllell A",wers 160

Czech Know-bow for Revamping Old THE MINISTER OF STATE OF Ammounia/Urea Plants THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICA TIONS (SHRI RAM NIW AS 4085. SHRI Y. S. MAHAJAN: MIRDHA): (a) Out of the J 8 di.trict Will the Minister of CHEMICALS headquarters in Tam iloadu, the follow- AND FCR TlLIZERS be pleased ing district headquarters arc oot bavinl to state: S.T.D. facilities with tbe State Capi- tal Madras :- (a) whether Government are considering any proposal to allow Czech 1. Cuddalore know-how for revamping old ammonia/ urea plants and for saving energy in 2. Thanjavur such uni ts ; 3. Sivaganga

(b) whether Goverment have made 4. Ramanathapuram a comparativc study of the available knoW-how in other countries in terms (b) Yes, Sir. of inputs i.e. raw material( S), energy, capacity utilisation, cost of production etc. ; and (c) Ramanatbapuram is already a medium size auto exchange. Cuddalore, Thanjavur and Sivaganga are manual (c) if so, the tentative conclusion exchanges and are planned to be auto- arrived at ? matised during 7th Five Year Plan.

THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS Aft er automatisation, it is planned AND FERTILIZERS AND lNDUSTRY to link Cuddalore to Madra. Trunk AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI Automat ic Exchange, Thanjavur to VEERENDRA PATIL) : (a) No, Sir. Tricby Trunk Automatic Excbange and Sivaganga and Ramanathapuram to (b) and (c) : Such a study was made Madurai Trunk Automatic El:cbange. at the time of selecti~n of technology for tbe new gus based plants. On the Transmission medium has been basis of the s~udies made, Haldor planned from these stations to respective Topsoe and Kellog were selected for Trunk Automatic EXchanges. ammonia and Mis. Snamprogetti for urea plants. After completion of tbe above mentioned workS, STD facility from Linking-of District Headquarters in tbese stations to Madras will become Tamilnadu with Madras by S. T.O available. It is expected that this would be completed during the 7th Plan period 4086. SHRI N. DENNIS: Will except for Ramanathapuram where land the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS for the transmission ling building is not be pleused to state: yet avilable.

(a) the names of the district bead- Setting up of Telepbone Indu9tries quarters in Tamilnadu which have ~ot in Blbar been connected by S.T.D. so far with 4087. DR. G. S. RAJHANS: the state capital; Will the Minister of COMMUNICA. TIONS be pleased to state: (b) whether tbere is any proposal to link' all the district headquarters of the (a) whether Government propose to State witb Madras by S. T.D ; and establish telephone industries in Bibar during 1985-86 ; (0) if so, the details regarding tbe plan of Government io tbis regard ? (b) if so, the details tbereof; and· 161 Written Allswers VAISAKHA 3, 1907 (SAKA)

(c) if not, the reasons therefor? Diesel pump.), tbe iame are included In the Marketing Plans of tbe Oil THE fMINISTER OF STATE OF Industry for award or dealenbilp. THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICA. Thereafter the concerned oil cOlDpaaies TIONS (SHRI RAM NIW AS release preas advertisements in leading MIRDHA) : (a) No, Sir. newspapers in the area inviting applica. tions. The applications tllul rocoived In re sponse to Ipeciftc adverti'.lIlont. are '(b) Does not arise. screened and forwarded to duly COolti- tuted Oil Selection Board (OSB) for (c) The Government have Iicemed holding the interview, of elilible ITI for manufactore of l1.S lakh num- candidates. On receipt of recommcm- bers of telephone instruments. For dations from the OSB, the concerned meeting the increasing demand of tele- oil companies take further action for phones, the Government have further award of dealerships. licensed Nine companies in the State Sector with a licensed capacity of 37 Acquisition of Land at Kalimpong by lakh numbers per annum. In addition, Military Authorities certain companies in the private Sector are also issued/being issued Let ter of 4089. SHRI ANANDA PATHAK: Intent for manufacture of telephones Will tbe Minister of DEFENCE be Letters of Intent have been given to pleased to state : Bihar State Electronics Development Corporation Limited for manufacture of two-way Radio Communication and (a) whether Government are aware allied equipment and 50000 lines of that the military authorities at Kalim- Rural Automatic Exchange Equipment poog in Darjeeiing District are per annum and jells filley cable. contemplating to acquire a vast chunk of land at Kalimpong ; Setting up of Petrol Pumps in Blbar (b) if so, whether Government are also aware that the land io question is 4088 DR. G. S. RAJHANS: thickly populated by the civilian popu- Will the Minsiter of PETROLEUM be lation who are the inhabitants of lhat pleased to state ; area for generations together;

(a) whether there is any ban on (c) whether thousands of persons setting up of new petrol pumps in would be rendering homeless and Bihar: uprooted from the very mean'> of I ivelibood if the above plan ill materia- (b) if fo, when the ban is likely to lised ; and be lifted ; and (d) in view of the above, whether (c) the criteria followed by Govern· Government propose to drop the idea ment in issuing of licences for setting of acquiring this land? up of new petro I pumps ? THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE THE MINISTER OF STATE OF (SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO); THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (a) to (d) : The local Military aut horties (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): had approched the state Government for (a) No, Sir. acquitlition of about 1100 acres of land at Kalimpotlg, District Dgrjeeling. The (b) Does not arise. State Government has not given their (c) After identifying the locat ions 'No Obiection Certificate' for the land for development of retail outlets (Petrol! identified by the local Army autborties. 163 Written Answers APRIL 23, 1985 Wrlllt!n Answers 164

No proJ::osal bas been projected to the an~ljyticaJ ins(lUments, pncisior, Government for acquiring this land. balances etc. Seven.! proposals in these fields have been considered by Govern. Industrial Relationship with U. K •. ment and approved.

4090. SHRIMA Tl JAY ANTI Oprning of Small Telephone PATNAIK: Will the Minister of Exchanges in Orissa INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AF. FAIRS be pleased to state: 4091. SHRI ANANT A PRASAD (a) whether Government have taken SETHI: Will thf Minister of COM. stt'ps to promote better industrial rela- MUNICATIONS be !)Ieased to state: tionship with United Kingdom;

(a) whether Government propose to (b) whether Government propose open new small telephone exchanges and to go for high British technology in public telepbones in rural areas of different areas; ilnd Orissa during the years 1985.86 aud 1986·87 ; (c) the details of policy liberalised for the prcmo:ion of industrial relations with British Government? (b) if so, tbe names of the rural areas which have been selected for this purpose ; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF (c) the amount of funds ear-marker MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) to (c): for the purpose? Government Policy for foreign invest. ment and technical collaboration is selective. Foreign Collaboration is per- T. E :v1TNISTER OF STATE OF mitted in sophisticated hnd high priority THE MI~ISTR Y Of COMMUNI- areas in export· oriented or import substi. CA nONS (SHRI RAM NIW AS tution manufacturing, or for enabling indigenous industry to update existing MIRDHA ~ : Yes, Sir. technology in India to meet efficiently domestic requirement and/or to become (b) The names of (he places where competItive in the export market. Pro- pc.s .Is for foreign investment and new smaIi-telephcne exchanges and long technical kr,o .... ·huw r(;CtiVfd from distance public tekphones proposec . (I entel preneurs are considered on be opened during j 985- 86 and 1986-87 merits, irrespective of the country of have not yet been identified, however origin. t:c.kiDg into account the standing the number of small telephone exchanges of the foreign coHabo: at or in the field of specialisation. The areas for foreign and long d i'itanee public telephones coll~;b01ation identified duricg the last likely to be opened ill 1985·86 ;;ncl Indo-Briti~h Economic Committe Meet· 1986·b7 district-wi5e are given in ill", ing held in New Delhi in January, 1184 attached Statement. include electronic, tele·communications, automative indu5try, poliution control equipment, optiral fibre cable, high (c) The funds will be met from the pressure and low pressure sodium lump-sum grant allocated to the circle vapour lamps, fuel injection equipment, for that year. mining machinery, ECM machines 16S Written Amwers VAISAKHA 3, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 166

Statement

SAXs and L.D.P.Ts. proposed 10 be opened in 1985·86 and 1986-87-Distrfct wise

Name of District 1985-86 1986-87 SAX/MAX.III L. D. P. Ts. SAX/MAX-III L. D. P. Ts

1. Balasore 2 10 3 10

2. Bolangir 2 10 3 10

3. Dbenkanal 2 10 3 10

4. Kalabandi 2 10 2 10

5. Keonjhar 2 10 2 10

6. Koraput 2 10 2 20

7. Mayurbbaoj 2 10 2 10

8. Phulbani 2 10 2 10

9' Puri 2 15 2 2S

2 10. Sambalpur 2 10 25

11. Sundergarb 2 10 2 10

12. Cuttack 4 20 S 3S

S 2S 13. Ganjam 4 15 ------30 150 35 200 ------Contravention of MRTP Act by (a) whether Government have imp le- Sol'. Drink Companie~ mented the amendment to MRTP Act, particularly relatiag to sales promotion 4092. SHRI V. KISHORE CHAN- and contests; DRA S. DBO : Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY (b) if not, whetber in 1984 a large AFFAIRS be pleased to state: numbor of soft drink promotions wore 161 Written Answers APRIL 23, 1985 Written dnawe" 1~~ offered to tbe public contravening the into force with effect from 1.8.1984 provisions of MRTP Act and if so, tbe which include provisioos relating to un- details thereof; and fair trade practices of sales promotion through contests, lottery, game of chance or skill. (c) whether his Ministry is considering to ensure tbat such promotions and contests which violate the MRTP provisions are stopped immediately? (b) and (c) : The MRTP Commission have ordered investigation by the Additional Director-General of investi- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN gation of the Commission in respeet of THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND complaints received from 15 com- COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF plainants against 11 manUfacturers/supp- MOHAMMAD KHAN): (8) The liers or soft drinks. The details are Monopolies and Restrictive Trade furnished in the statement attached. Practiccs (Amendment) Act, 1984 came i 69 Written Answers VAISAKHA 3. t 901 (SAKA) Written Answers 17()

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Industrial Growth in Kerala COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) and (b) : 4093. PROF. P. J. KURIEN: C.S.O. does Dot compile State.wise SHRI T. BASHEER: Index of Industrial Production. How. ever, based on the latest Annual Survey Will the Minister of INDUSTRY of Industries, a statement showing per. AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased centage growth rate in terms of value to state: of output in Kerala and otber States and Union Territories dUring 1979-80, (a) the rate of industrial growth 1980·81 and 1981·82 is enclosed. in Kerala d~ring the past three years; (c) Reduction on regional imbalan- (b) how does it compa"e with the ces through wider dispersal on industries growth rate in other States, giv.: Slate· is one of tbe objectives of Indu.trial wise break-up; and Locationa] Policy. Besides, Govern. ment has been taking several steps to (c) the special rn~a',ur-!s b

Statement

Percentage growth rate in value of output during 1979-80, 1980·81 and 1981.82 in KnallJ and other States alld Union Territories

------~~------Name of the State/ Percentage growth rate in value of output during Union Territory ------1979·80 1980-81 1981·82 over ov

2 3 4

1. Andhra Pradesh +15.2 + 17.9 + 9.6 2. Assam + 5.8 - 3.5 +10.8

3. Bihar + 11.0 +10.6 +43.8 4. Gujarat +20.5 +22.7 +16.0

5. Haryana +32_0 +17.0 +27.0

6. Himachal Pradesh +33.7 +19.9 +25.2 7. Jammu & Kashmir +32.5 + 5.9 + 4.7 8. Karoataka +12.9 +11.7 +16.5

9. Kerala +18.3 +27.8 +15.8 175 Written Answers APRIL 23, 1985 Written Answers 176

1 2 3 4

10 Madbya Pra iesb +-~3.5 +16.2 +24.0 +17.1 11. Maharashtra +16.9 +16.3

12. Manipur +29:7* +51.9* +266.9 -12.4 ] 3. Megha\<'ya +58.9 +65.4 +27.5 J 4. Orissa +14.3 + 88

] S. Punjab +24.6 +17.8 +24.0

16. Rajasthan +22.0 +17.0 +19.1

17. Tamil Nadu +19.1 +18.7 +20.3

18. Tripura ** +21.5

19. Uttar Pradesh + 11.2 +14.1 +47.4

20. West Bengal + 18.1 +16.9 +12.9 +21.2 21. Andaman & Nicobar +15.9 +23.4 Islands

22. Cbandigarh +34.2 +13.1 +14.8

23. Delhi +28.2 + 7.1

24. Goa, Daman & Diu - 2.6 +52.5 + 12.1

25. Pondicherry +16.3 +24.1 +18.6 ------TOTAL +17.8 +16.9 +20.6

*"'Included in Manipur. "'Growth rates and value of output figures are for M:mipur alld Tripura put together as separate output figures for Tripura and Manipur are not available for 1979-80.

Industries Set up in No- Industry Of in private sectop in the no-industry Districts districts in Kerala during the past three years; 4094. PROF. P. J. KURIEN: (b) the total investment in these Will the Mmister of INDUSTRY AND industr ies and the employment gene- COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to rated; state: (c) whether new incentives are being (a) the number of industries which given to entrepreneurs who want to set have been set up either in public sector up industries in these district; and 17' Written Answers VAISAKHA 3, 1907 (SAI:A) Wrllten Answers 118

(d) if so, the details thereof? Memoraudum Regarding National Industrial Growth Zone THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND 4097. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF DAS MUNSI: Will the Minister of MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) and (b) : INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AF- Duriog last tbree years oIte letter of FAIRS be pleased to state: Intent has been issued to M!s. Kerala State Electronics Development Corpo- (a) whether his Ministry has received ration Ltd. for setting up an Iodustrhd any memorandum for the formation of Unit ror manufacture of Colour' Tele- National Industrial Growth Zone visioD in the No-Industry District of Comprising of Kanpur. Ghaziabad, Kerala. The project is yet 10 be Faridabad .. Ludbiana, Kota, Ahmedabad, implemented. Pune, Bangalore. Cocbin, Madras, Howrah, Asansol, Gauhati. Bhubnesh· (c) and (d): The details of con- war, Dhanbad and Patna ; and cessions/ incentives admissibl e It' entrepreneurs ror setting up industrits in No- (b) if so, the reaction of Govern- Industry Districts, are given in tbe mtDt in this regard? booklet "Incentives for Indu,tries in backward Areas (Central Gave; Dn1et and Central Financial Industrie) Apri:, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 1984" read with this Minis!ry Press THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND Note No. 14/2!83-DBA-I dated'} <<85, COMPANY AFFAIRS tSHRI ARIF copies of which are available In Parlia' MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) No, Sir. ment Library. (b) Does not arise in view of (8) Rank of Field Marshal above.

4096. SHRI PRIY A RANJAN Plant for Monoetbylene Glycol DAS MUNSI: Will the M'o!ster \,f DEFENCE be pleased to staU: : 4098. SHRI PRIY A RANJAN DAS MUNSI: Will the Minister of (a) wbether the rank r,f Field PETROLEUM be pi eased to state: Marshal is bonorary or advi;.ory ; (a) whether any plant for Moooethy- lene Glycol (MEG) of 40,000 tonnes (b) whether there are ar;y proposals and 5,000 tonnes of higher ethylene to confer tbis rank to some other glycol prC'jcct was cleared by his Minis- Gener'lls ; try in favour of Reliance Textile tc) if so, their names; and Industries Ltd. ; (b) whether it is a joint sector (d) if not, the reasons therefor ? venture or an exclusive private sector venture; THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (c) whether there is any foreign (SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO): tal collabora1 ion or tht"l e are other appli- The rank of Field Marshal is a rccogised cants a Iso for the same project; and rank in the Army and is not honor;:ry. The services of a Field fl.Lrshlll

M (s. Reliance Textile Industries Ltd. scale units, year-wise during the last manufacture of : three years ;

Monoethylene Glycol-40,OOO tonnes/annum (c) the names of small scale units and tbe reasons for not utilising their Higher Ethylene Glycol (by-pro- own capacities; and duct)-5,000 tonnes! annum. (d) tbe reaction of Government in (b) The plant will be in private the matter? sector.

(c) and (d): The proposal for THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS foreign callaboration envisaging pay- AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY ment of know-bow fee of US $ 24 AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI lakhs bas been approved. VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) to (d): According to the information received from the public sector drug manufac- Manufacture of Drugs by Small turing undertakings, none of them, Scale Uuits excepting Hindustan Antibiotics Limi. ted (HAL) are now getting buik drugs, 4099. SHRI D. P. JADEJA : Will for which they are licensed, manu- the Minister of CHEMICALS AND factured by Small Scale units on loan FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: licence basis.

(a) whether it is a fact that public During 1984-85 only, Hindustan sector units are getting bulk drugs Antibiotics Limited (HAL) bad got manufactured from small scale units on 1957.5 Kg~ of AmpiCillin Trihydrate loan licence basis for which they are m

Name of the small scde unit Quantity of Ampicillin Trihydrate got monufactured tKgs.)

1. Priti Organics, Vapi 253.750

2. Orex Pharmaceuticals, Bombay 1160.000

3. Pisal Phannaceuticals, Bombay 217.500

4. Armour Chemicalf. Bombay 145.000

s. Jayco Che'11icals Limited, Bombay 181.250

1957.500 181 Written Answers VAISAKHA 3, 190'1 (SAKA) Wrltlell A1uwers }82 Review or Policies Regarding THE MINISTER OF STATF OF Production of Bulk Drogs THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): 4100. SHRI D. P. JADEJA: (a) Yos, Sir. Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased (b) HPCL bad earlier contributed to atate : Rs. 1.00 lakhs to the Kerala Cbier Minister's Reliet Fund with a ,jew to (a) whether the existing policies ektendiog relief to the affected families. framed by Government for production The Chier Minister Kerala, bad &u&lelt. of bulk drugs have been reviewed from ed (or payment of compensation @ time 10 time with the changing circum· Rs. 1.00 lakhs in each case of death and stances of the industry; from Rs. 5000 to Rs. 25,000 (depending Upon tbe seriousness of injUries) iu each case of injury. After due conside- (Il) if so, the items, year-wise, for ration or the suggestion of the GoV!. which review has taken place with a 01 Kerala, tbe Central Gov!. has deci- change in circumstances, of small scale ded that Rs. 25,000 should be paid in units having produced a number of bulk each case of death, and between RH. drug~ ; and 5,000 and Rs. 10,000 be paid to each of the injured persons (the actual (c) if not, the reasons tberefor 1 amount depending upon tbe seriousness of the injuries). The Govt. of Kerala, has been informed accordingly_ HPCL THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY bas since contributed a further sum of AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI Rs. 10 laths to the Relief Fund for the above purpose. VEERENDRA PATIL) : (a) to (c) : The National Drugs and Pharmaceuticals Development Council (NDPDC) had Enquiry into Kerosene Tragedy io recently made recommendations on the KeraJa changes to be made in tbe 19"8 Drug Policy; Government is seized of tbe 4102. SHRI SURESH KURUP: matter. Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to state:

Incrrase in tbe CompensBtion given by H. P. C. to Victims or Kerosene (a) wbetber the Committee enquir- ing into the kerosene tragedy in Traged~ In Kerala Kerala bas submitted its report:

4101. SHRI SURESH KURUP : (b) if 80, tbe findings of the SHRI T. BASHEER : Committee;

Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to state: (c) tbo follow-up action proposed by Government;

(a} whether Government have (d) whether Government an: going received any request from the Chief to eotrust any central agency like CBI Miuister uf Kera la to raise the compen- to enquire ioto the matter; and sat ion given by Hindustan Petroleum Corporation to the victims of kerosene (0) if so, the details thereof 1 tragedy in Kerala; and THE MINISTB.R OF STATE OF THE MINiSTRY OF PETROLEUM (b) if so, the datails and the action taken by Government ? (SHRI NAWAL KISHOKE SHARMA): (a) No, Sir. 183 Wrhten Answen APRIL 23,1985 Written Aruw." 184

(b) Does not arise. (e) About B.s. 27.00 lakhs. only.

(,,) Does not arise. Criteria for Opening ofD.E.T. and S.D.O. Offices

(d) No, Sir. A Technical Cammittee 4104. SHRI HARISH RAWAT = headed by Shri C. R. Jagannathan, Will the Minister of COMMUNI- retired Chairman and Managing Din'c- CATIONS be pleased to state: tor of Oil India Lin.ited, bas already been appointed to investment the (a) whether Government agree to matter. change the present criteria adopted for opening D.E. T. and S.D.O. Offices (e) Does not arise. in hill areas keeping in view the need C'f expanding telephone services in these [Translation] areas; ExtellSioo of Departmental Building of Post Office in Pithoragarh, (b) if so, whether new D.E.T. Uttar Pradesh Office in Almora and S.D.O. Office in Ranikhet in Uttar Pradesh are likely to 4103. SHRI HARISH RAWAT : be opened in near future; Will the Minister of COMMUNI· CA TlONS be pleased to state: (c) if so, when; and

(a) whether there is shortage of (d) if not, the difficull ies on account accommodation in the head post office of which these offices w ill not be opened in Pithoragarh in Uttar Pradesh; there and the time by which Depart- ment Will be in a positi<>n to open these (b) if so, wbether it was proposed offices in the aforesaid places by remov- to extend further the Departmental ing these difficulties? building of this post office in the Sixth Five Year Plan; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF (c) if so, the reasons for not extend- THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNI- ing tbis building so far ; CA nONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) At present no such proposal is under consideration. However, (d) whether it is proposed to start some weightage for the difficult terrain the extension work during the current is being given while forming the Divi- financial year ; aod sions and Sub·Divisions. (e) if so, the total estimated expenditure to be incurred on tbis (b) to (d): Presently the DET work? office at Almora and Sub-Divisiond office at Ranikhet are not justified on standards. After tbe workload reaches THE MINISTER OF STATE OF the prescribed limit and subj",ct to THE MINISTRY OP COMMUNi- lifting of ban creat ion of new posts, CATIONS (SHRI RAM NJWAS these offices would be created. MIRDHA) : (a) Yes, Sir. Opening of New Engineering Divisio- (b) Yes. Sir. nal and Sub-Divisional Offices in U. P. (c) The departmental formalities WClfe being completed. 4105. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Will the Minister of COMMUNI· (d) Yes. Sir_ CATIONS be pleased to Iltate : 11S Written AnJWers VAISAKHA 3, 1901 (SAKA) Written Answers 186

(a) whether in view of present Sbriram Food aDd Fertilizers Limited expansion of telephone services in U. P. and Mis. Hindustan Insecticides Limi- circle, his Ministry is actively consi- ted (HIL) locat.ed in Delhi which use dering the question of opening of a few chlorine. new Engineering Divisional and Sub- Divisional Offices there; Delhi AdministratiOIl bave reported tbat inspections carried out in the (b) if so, the proposed location of factories of M!s. Shriram Chemical these new Divisional af J Sub-Divisio- Works, a unit of Mis. Shriram Food and Dal Offices of the time by which these FertiJ izers Limited; revealed that pre- are likely to be set up ; nnd vention and control measures for the safety of the workers and the population around the factory were inade- (c) if not, the reasons thereof? quate. In view of the inndequacies of safety measures, Delhi Administration THE MINISTER OF STATE OF is considering the need for Ie-locating THE MINISTRY OF COMMONI· of Shriram Chemical Works. CAnONS (SHRI RAM N!WAS MIRDHA) : (a) Yes, Sir. As regard Hindustan Insecticides Limited (HILl, senior officials of tbe (b) Two Engineering Divisions, 011': Minis\ ry of Chemicals and Fertilizers each at Almof(~ and O.:)O(b, art:: expect· alongwith tbe Chairman, Central Water ed to be formed when the wo,kload Pollution Control Bo;:rd had visited the reaches the prescribed limit and ~ubject factory. Following th~ visit, HIL was to lifting of ban on creation of po;t,. advised to undertake an end-to-end survey for determining safety of operat- (c) Does not arise. ing the plant. HIL have since taken certain remedial steps.

Safety Arrangements b~' Chemical Setting up of Chemical Fertilizer Factories in Delhi Industries Based on Bombay High 4106. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND 4]07. SHRI VILAS MUTTE,\1- FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: WAR: Will the Minister of CHEMI- CALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased (a) whether some ~uch chemicals to state: factories as use chlorine, etc. are located in densely populated areas of Delhi; (a) whether Government are aware 0f any demand for setting up a chemi- (b) if so, the names of sucb fac- cal fertilizer industry based 00 Bombay tories ; and High gas in Vidarbha ;

(c) whether tb~ir saft!ty urranements (b) whether Government are also have been checked by G,-,vernment so a~ aware that the pipeline laid between 10 ensure that any leakage of gas, etc. Bombay High and Burhanpur. touches from these factories does not pose Vidarbha also; hazards to public life? (c) if so, the action being takeD by THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS Government in this ~regard and the AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY estimated expenditure involved therein; AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI and VEERENDRA PATIL) : (a) to (c; : As per available illformation, there are two (d) the names of the places where major cbemicals factories, namely, M/ s . chemical fertilizer industries based on APR.IL 23, 1985 Wr Itlm Answers i &8

Bombay Higb Gas are proposed to be (c) Does not arise. !let op and tbe time by wbich tbese are like)y to be set up ? (d) Tbe places where fertilizer THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS plants, based OD Bombay High gas, are AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUS- TRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS proposed to be set up and their f zero (SHRt VEERENDRA PATlL): (a I dates· are given to tbe Statement Yes, Sir. altached. Tbe projects are scheduled to be eompleted within 36-39 months fro'D (b) The proposed gas pipeline route does Dot pass througb Vidarbha. the f zero dates'.

Statement

Setllng up 01 Chemical Fertilfzer IndU3lrles based on Bombay High Gas

Serial Number Location Zero Date

1. Vijaipur (District Guna), M.P. 1.6.1984

2. AonJa, Bareilly District, U.P. 1.10.1984

3. Jagdishpur, Sultanpur Distt., U.P. 1 ..1.1985

4. Billopa Village, Sawai Madbpur District, Rajasthan 1.4.1985

5. Babrala. Badaon District, U.P. 1.10.1985

6. ShabjahanpuT District, U.P. 1.4.1986

[English] (d) the total amount spent under Amount Set apart (or Cooperativisation this scheme in Kerala during the Sixth Plan period ; and of Coir Industry

4109. SHill THAMPAN THO- (e) the reasons for the shortall in MAS: Will tbe Minister of INDUS- elQ)eDditure of any under (d) ? TRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be plea8ed to state : THE MINISTBR OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (a) the total amount set apart in AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI tbe Sixth Five Year Plan for coopera- ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) to tivisation of coir industry scheme; (e): An outlay of Rs. 9.50 crores was earmarked in the Central Sector in (b) tbe total amount spent under the SiRth Plan for the Centrally Spon- tbe said scheme during the Sixth Plan sored Scheme for the co-operativisat ion period ; of coir industry which came into force with effect from 21st Aupst, 1982. (c) tbe total amount earmarked for Under the scheme. the expenditure is Kerala under tbe said scheme during shared between tho Central Government tbe Sixtb Plan period ; and tbe State Government/Union Terri- 189 Written Answers VAISAKHA 3,1907 (SAKA) Written A1I8wers 190 tory in the ratio of 50 . 50, and the tion work undertaken during 1984 and fuods are released by the Central aDd the findings thereof; Government on the basis of the propo· sals made by the State Governmental (d) wbether tbere is a possibility of Union Territories and recommended oil in Saurasbtra region; and by the Coir Board. During tbe Sixth Plan period, a total sum of Rs. 310.21 lakhs was relea~ed by the Central (e) if so, whether any survey bas Government of whicb Rs. 289.83 lakhs been conducted tbere and the findings was released to the Government of thereof? Kerala for tbis purpose. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF Production of Newsprint THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) to (e): The required information 4011. SHRr MONANBHAI PATEL: is being collected and will be laid on the Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND Table of the Hoose. COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state the number of newsprint manu· Discoveries of Oil Bearing Areas in facturing units functioning in the coun- Seventh Five Year Plan try. their annual production capacity and the production made annually the 4113. SHRI BHOLA NATH SEN: year 1983·84 and 1984.85 ? Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI (a) whether tbe proccss of discoYor- ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN) : At pre- ing potential oil-bearing areas by the sent there are three units in the country Oil and Natural Gas Comm ission has manufacturing newsprint with an ins- slowed down during past few years; talled capacity of 2.30 lakh tonncs. (b) if so, the details and break-up The production of newsprint from of the potential oil bearing areas dis- tnese units has been as follows: covered during the period between 1977·80 and 1981·84 ; 1983·84 1,76,338 lakh tonnes (c) the assessment of oil and gas 1984-85 2,00,547 lakh tonnes reserves in areas discovered during the (Provisional) periods mentioned above ; and

(d) the prospects for discovering Survey for Oil in Saurashtra .Region potential oil bearing areas during the Seventh Five Yesr Plan period? 4112. SHRI MOHANBHAI: PATEL: Will the Minister of PETRO- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF LEUM be pleased to state I THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NA W AL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) whether any survey has been (a) No, Sir. ONOC bas identified the conducted during 1984 to find out oil ; exploratory efforts during the past few years. (b) if so, the area and the States in which surveys have been conducted (b) Doring tbe period 1977·80, oU and the findings thereof; was discovered in I3 structures and during the period 1981-84 in 19 (c) the dotails of the new. eJl:plora- stroctures. Tbe details are as under: 191 Writr~1I Amw!r') APRIL 23, 1985 W,llien AnsWU4 191

Peliod State/Basin/Area Name of the Structure. ------1977·80 West Coast Offshore H

East Coast Offshore G-l.

Gujarat Padra, Jotana, Viraj, West Sobna· san, Motwan, W. Motwan.

1981-84 West Coast Offsbor~ B-57, R.B, R-13, B-178, KD.

East Coast Offshore PH-9, G'2, py.1.

Gujarat Mewad, SisJdr2., Ognaj, Gamej, \V

Assam Nal'ama, Changmaigaon and Barak

------~ ---~

(c) The net addition to recoverable (c) the estimate of oil reserves in reserves of hydrocarbons in the country West Bengal at the depth of 5500 during 1-1.1978 and 1·1-1980 was metres; about 105 million (annes and about 110 million tonnes during 1-1-1981 (d) the depth upto which well- and 1-1·1984. dl'illit.g has so far been possible in places in West Bengal where well·drill- (d) It is proposed to establish i ng works have been taken up by hydrocarbon reserves c.f the order of ONGC; and 680 million tonne~ during Seventh Plan period. (c) the steps takell/proposed to reach t he targeted depths in West Oil Reserves in West Bengal Bengal!

4114. SHRI BHOLA NATH SEN: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF SHRI AMAR ROYPRA- THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM DHAN: (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) and (b): No. Sir. Most of the Will the Minister of PETROLEUM wells drilled to their target depths. be pleased to state: However, in one well at Bodra drilling had to be terminated 800 metres short (a) whether the Oil and Natural of target depth due to down hole Gas Commission has so far failed to complications. produce any satisfacf ory results in West Bengal because it has so far not (c) Oi! res!:rves are not calculated been able to drill to the tlrgeted for auy particular d('pth in a basin. depth(s) where according to seismic data oil strike prospects exist in West (d) The maximum depth reached in Bengal; drilling in West Begal is 5655 metrrs.

(b) if so, the deta ils thereof; (e) Does not arise. VAISAI':HA 5, 190V (S..I.KA) Wrltt.. AM•• " 11»4

Suspeosioo of furtber Licensing Delay in Implementation of Guna to Cement Indnstry Plant of tbe National Fertilizer Ltd. 4117. SHRI D. V. DESAI: Will 4116. SHRI B. V. DESAI: WiH the Minister of CHEMICALS AND tbe Minister of INDUSTRY AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to atate : COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleaaed to state ; (a) whether most or the SUI PI- based giant fertilizer projects will be (8) whether Government have 8U" delayed in implemcotation despite pended further licensing to the Cement directives from tbe biabelt levels to industry; ensure tbat the time-bound programme for tbele plaots as maintained ; (b) if so, whether this was done because of the inability of the Depart. (b) whether apart from the Guna ment of Coal to allocate further qnan- plant of the National Fertilizers Ltd., tities of coal for tbe proposed new nearly all the other projects are facing uncertaintise of various kinds; . cement plants ; (c) if so, the main reasons for (c) whether this is exptlcted to delay in these projects; and adversely affect tbe policy of not only attaining self· sufficiency in cement but (d) whether any solution has been also generating adequate exportable fouod ? sarpluscs to pep UP foreign e.ch2.nge earnings ; THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND EPRTILIZERS AND INDUS· TRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (d) whether Government are re- (SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) considering this decision ; to (c): Of the six gas-based fertilizer plants, in additir>n to these at Tbal and (e) whether suspending further Hazira, which are proposed to be let licensing to the cement industry wil J up during tbe 7th Five Year Plan, the greatly affect the variom plans in the implementation of Vijaipur, Aonla and country ; and kgdisbpur projects bas already commen:;ed. While there has been S(lme delay in the finalisation of the con- (f) if 80, to what extent? tractual arrangements in respect of tbe Jagdisbpur project by the Company THE MINISTER OF STATE IN Mfs. Indo-Gulf Fertilizers and Chemi- THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY cals Corporation Ltd. UGFCC); the AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI progress of these three projects appears ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) to be satisfactory at present. No, Sir. The scheduled 'zero dates' for tbe remaining three fertilizer projects are (b) to (f) : Do not arise. given below :

SI. No. Location Zero Date ------1. Billopa Village, Sawai MaJhopur 1.4.198' District, Rajastban

2' Sabrala, Badsun District, U.P. 1.10.198S

3. Shabjahanpur District. U.P. 1.4.1986 195 Written Ails ers APRIl:. 13, 1985 Written Answers· 196

Tbe fe[tilizatioD of contractual (d) Efforts continue 10 be made to arrangements in respect of the Sawai ensure that tbe targets for the Seventh Madhopur pwject bas, however, been ~lan period a.re ~cbieved by en~ourag· delayed by the project autborities, who 109 t;D0derDIsatlOn of the industr~. bave been expedited. estabhshment of new capacity and by closely monitoring availability of infrastructure services for the cement indus- (d) Tbe progn:ss of tbese projects is try such as power, coal and railway reviewed and monitored periodically wagons. for ensuring that tbere are n) delays in Implementing them •. Cooking Gas Facility in Orissa

Production of Cement in Sixth 4119. SHRI JAGANNATH PAT- and Seventh Plans NAIK: Will tbe Minister of PET- ROLEUM be pleased to state: 4118. SHRI B. V. DESAI: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND (a) the number and names of the COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to towns as well as cilies of Orissa wbere state ; cooking gas facility bas been provided so far; (a) whether he has urged the cement industry to improve the pro· (b) the number of cylinders supplied ductivity level ; to the State anoually for distributing; and (b) if so, whether he bas pointed out that nOlwithstanding the infra- (c) the number of towns where such structural constraints, there was scope facility is likely to be provided during for improvement in capacity utilisation the next two yeurs ? wbich was 76 per cent at present ; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF (c) whether the target of the THE Mn~ISTRY OF PETROLEUM cement production bas been achieved (SHRI NA WAL KISHORE SHARMA): in the Sixth Plan Period and if not, (a) Presently LPG facility is avail" bit: the reasons therefor ; and at the following locations in Orissa:

(d) the efforts being made by 1. Aksa GOVe[Dwent to ensure that the cement target is achieved during the Seventh 2. Balagaon Five Year Plan period? 3. Bolangir lHE MINISTER OF STATE IN 4. Baleshwar THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI S. Baripada ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) and 6. Berhampur (b) : Yes, Sir. 7. Bbubanesbwar (c) Against the production target 8. Brijrajoagar of 34.5 million tonnes by the terminal year of the Sixth Five Year Plan 9. Burla period, the production of cement Chattarpur achieved was around 30.10 million 10. tonnes. The shortfall in production was 11. Cuttack mainly on account of infrastructure 12. Basbil constraints. 197 Written Am wers VAISAKHA 3; 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 198

13. Bbavanipatna 13. Kendrapara 14. Angul 14. Behrampur IS. Besbampur IS. Jajpur Road 16. Dbenkanal 16. Rourkela (2 locations) 17. Jatn! 17. Bhubaneswar 18. JeYPQre 18. Kulad

! 9. Paradeep 19. Bbanjnagar 20. Phulbani 20. Birmitrapur 21. Puri 21. Jeypore 22. Rayagada 22. Damanjor 23. Rourkela 23. Burla 24. Sambalpur Public Sector Industries in Adivasi 25. Sun~beda and Backward Areas

26. Komput 4120. SHRI DlLEEP SINGH 27. Balasore BHURIA: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AF- 28. Sundergarb FAIRS be pleased to state: 29. Jharsuguda (a) whether Government have formulated any policy for setting up public (b) Approximately 4.47 lakh cylin- sector big industries in Adivasi and ders are supplied to Orissa annually. backward areas for their industrial development; (c) The following locations in Orissa are proposed to be provided LPG (b) whether any proposal for setting facility during the next two years: up of any public· sector industry for Defence production in Jhabua district 1. Keonjhar of Madbya Pradesh is under cODsidera- tion of Government; and 2. Bhadrak

3. Parla Kbemundi (c) if not, whether Governmont would take some action in that direc- 4. Bargarh tion'l S. Chowdwar THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 6. Talcher THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF 7. Jharsuguda MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a). Indus- 8. Kajgangpu[ (2 I(~culious) trialisation of specific areas is primarily the responsibility of State Governments 3. Titlagarh concerned, The Central Government supp Jements their efforts by providing 10. Khorda various conCe&SiODS and incentives for 11. Joda industries in identified backward areas. The contral investments are primarily 12. Anandpur in larlc industrial projects of a basic 199 Wrltt6f1 Answ.rs APRIL 23, 1985 Written A,mvers 200 cbaracter. Tbe locations of such pro- (a) the measnres taken by hi3 jects has, therefore, to be d~cide~ on Ministry to strengthen the admiois;r.. ' broad techno-economic consideratIOns. tion of justice in Tribal Areas of t. e It bas been the policy of the Govern- country during the Sixth Five Y lar ment that subject to these considera- Plan; Hons comparatively backward regions are given preference in the location of (b) whether the Seventh Finance Central Projects. Commission had provided funds for strengthening the administration ; (b) aDd (c) : At present tbere is no proposal to set up any public Sector (~) if so, tbe funds provided by bls Industry for Defence Production in Ministry to the States as per the re- Jhabua District of Madhya Pradesh. commendations, State-wise; and

(d) the emphasis ,iven by the States [Translation] to provide funds for tribal areas and Prototype Developmtnt and Training adfertisemcnts made so far, State- Centre in Jhabua wise T

4121. SHRI DlLEEP SINGH THE MINISTER OF STATE IN BHURIA: Will the MiniJter of THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AF· JUSTICE (SHRI H. P. BHARDAWAJ): FAIRS be pleased to state: (a) to (d): During the Sixth Fife Year Plan period tbe Ministry of Law (a) whether Government propose and Justice was concerned with the to advise the National Small Scale recommendations of tbe Seventh Fin- Industries Corpora tioo to open a Proto- Dance Commission relating to the up- type Development. and Training Centre gradation of standards of judicial in backward Adivasi district Jhabua administration in general and not with of Madya Pradesb to ensure provision any particular reference to Tribal of proper training facilities for small Areas. The amounts released to the entrepreneurs in tbis district; and States for tbis purpose is given in the attached statement. (b) if so, tbe time by which such a facility is likely to be made available Statement tbere? Upgradation of Standards of Judicial Administration 0" the basis "ecom- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN mendations of Seventh Finance Com- nIB MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY mission-Reiea$e of Grants AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRl ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) No, ------Name of the Amount Sir. State released upto (b) Does not arise. 31.3.1985 ------[FAglilh) 1 2 AdministrJltioD of Justice in ------(R.s. in laths) Tribal Areas 1. Andhra Pradesh 83.97 4122. SHRI GJRlDHAR 00- 2. Assam 16S.23 MANGO: Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be pleased to state; 3. Bihar 487.88 VAISAf{HA 3. 1907 (S..4KA) Written Aluw,,, 202

(d) tbe criteria adopted for the 1 selection of the places to reserve them for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes; and 4. Himachal Pradesh 6.02 (e) how many of them have been 5. Jammu " ~albmlr 2.50 recently notified in Tribal District of Orissa? 6. :l:orll. 1.95

7. Madh,a Pradesh 27.S3 THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM 8. Manipur 27.37 (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) Yes, Sir. The oil industry conducts 9. Magaland VO.OO market surveys to identify locations for development of retail outlets, Taluka 10. Ori••• 92.88 Kerosene Depots (TKD) and LPG distributorships, depending upon the 11. Ilajasthan 209.46 volume/distance norms in case of retail outlets, anticipated refill sales in case 12. Tamil Nadu 15.64 of LPG distributorshi·ps and the need for supply of kerosene at reason- 13. Tripura 30.68 able price to the people of remote and hilly areas in case of TKDS. While H. Uttar Pradesh 470.43 identifying such locations, tribal hilly and bac~ward areas are also covered. 15. We.t Bengal 123.87 ---- (b) and (c) : The particulars about Total: 1815.41 the places identified in rhe State of ---- Orissa is furnished in the statemont enclosed.

Allort.ent of K:ero.cllc Depots Diesel Cam Petro) Oatlet. and LPG AgeD- Collections of tbis information for ct.. 10 Tribal, Hill aDd Back.ard the entire country will involve considerable time and labour which may not .4' ... 1.0'.... be commensurate with the purpose proposed to be achioved. 4064. SHRI GlRIDHAR GO- MANOO : Will the Minister of PBTaOLBUt4 be pleased to state : (d) Locations falling within reserved Parliament/Assembly constituencies as well as areas predominantly (a) wbether his Ministry has identi- populaled by Scheduled Castes /Schedul- fied tbe places of tribal, hill and back- ed Tribes are earmarked for these ward areas to provide Talut Kerosene ca tesorics. Depo&., Diesel-cum·Petrol Oal1ets aod LPG "enoies i (c) UDder 1984·85 Marketing Plan following dealersbips have been notified (b) if 80, the details thereof and in tbe Tribal Distt. of Orissa: the places notified 10 far. with parti. calar reference to Ori.la ; (i) Retail outlets = 6. (c) the place. relerved for Schedul. ed Tribes and Scheduled Castes; (ii) LPG distributorships .... 2. ~03 Written AlfSwerj APRIL :.23, 1985 Writte" Answers 264

Statement

Sl. No. Location District If reserved, the category for which reserved

1 2 3 4

1. Taldo Kerosone oil

1. Keonjhar Keonjhar

2. Phulbani Pbulbani

3. Mayurbbanj Mayurbbanj

4. Angul Dbenkaoal

5. Boudb

6. Bolangir Bolangir

7. Nayagarb

B. Bhubneswar Puri

9. Baripat Mayurbhanj

10. Talaswar 1/. Retail Outlets

1980·81 MQrketlng Plan : I.O.C. 1. Bhadralt Balasore

2. Udala Mayurbhaoj ST 3. Paradip Cut tack

4. Koira Sundergarh

5. Chatarpur Byp

6. Rairakhol Sarnbalpur

V. Arnarda Balasore

8. Khariar Kalabaodi SC 9. Napaarb Pun

10. Pari Pori 205' W"tt~n AmwiJrs VAISAKHA 3, 1901 (SAKA) W,i""" A1UWerl 206

1 3 3 4

11. Bisori Mayurbbanj

12. Suakat Balasore

13. Baliapal Balasore

14. Basudevpur Balasore

15. Champua Keonjbar

,6. Banki Cuttack

17. Bolgarb Puri

18. Niali Puri SC

19- Purushottampur Ganjam

20. Malkaogiri Korapur

21. Umarkoti KorapDr

22. Motter Kalahandi ST

23. Madanpur Rampur

24. Sonepur Bolaogir

25. Bhuvaneswar Puri ST

BPCL

26. Vedvyas Sundergarh ST

27. Behrap1pur Ganjam

1981.82 Marketing Plan: 1.O.C.

1. Cuttack Cuttack

2. Rourkela Suodergarh 3. Rajbhavan Premises Bhubaneshwar

B.P.C.L.

4. Cbandancswar Balasore ST

5. Januganj Balasore SC 6 . Buguda Gamam 207 Written AlLfwrI APR.IL 13; 198' "rltt." A",,,.r, !88

1 2 3 4

7. Jagatsinghpur Cuttack

8. Digapabandi Ollnjam

9. Paradip I Cuttact

10. Nimapar:. Puri

11. Paradip IT Cuttack

12. Padiapahal Sambalpur

13. Padampur Sambalpur

HPCL

14. Boinda Dhentanal

IS. Balasore Bypass Balasore

16. Rambha Oanjam

17. Rourkela (Lone MS) Sundergarh

18. PhulaDkara Cuttack SC

19. Khsndagiri Bhubnesbwar

20. Atgarh Cuttack

21. Kurda Cbowk Balasorc

1982.84 (Pa,t 1) Marketing plan ~

IOC

L Cut tack Link Road Cuttack

BPCL

2. Tengarini Keonjhar ST

3. Bhuban Dbentanal SC

HPCL

4. Panposh Sundorgarh ST S. Angul Dhenkanal 6. BaJiguda Phulbani Be 209 WrilUn Answers VAISAKHA 3. 1907

2 3 4

1982·84 (Part II) Marketing Plan:

IOC

J. Boriguma Korapur

2. Chandragiri Ganjam ST

3. Damanjodi Korapor

4. Binjarpor Cottack SC

5. Jagajpur Cuttack

6. Barang Cuttack

7. BargaoD Sundergarh ST

8. Papadhandi Korapur ST

9. Keonjhar Keonjhar

BPCl

10. Kakriguma Korapul ST

11. Kanasbahal Sundergarh ST

12. Dhemnagar Balasore SC

13. Cbenapadi Keonjhar SC

14. Pattamundei Cuttack SC

IBP

15. Salepur Cuttack SC

16. Betnoti Mayurbhanj

17. Bolangir Bolangir

HPCl

18. Sohela SaOlbalpor SC

19. Tirtol Cuttack

20. Tangi Cuttack

21. Jeypore Korapur

211 Written AIU'tfer's VAISAKHA 3, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answer's 218

Knowhow CollabOration with "Union (d) the details of the safety measures Carbide" for LDPE Plaut adopted by them ?

4124. SfiRI MOOL CHAND THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS DAGA : Will tbe Minister of PETRO- AND FERTILIZERS (SHRI LEUM be pleased to state : VEERENDRA PA TIL): (a) to (d): The Factories Act, 1948 contains provisions for impl':lmentatioD of safety (a) whether his attention bas been measures during manufacture. Til'.) drawn to the Dcwsitem captioned 'India Ceniral Gov!. have circulated II model on threshold of petrochemica I Revo- schedule relating to manufilciurc or lulion' appeared in 'Commerce' Bomb?,y manipulation of dang~rous pesticid~s of 1st September. 1984, which slate, for introducing cOl1trol measures iu the that the Centre is aho expected to I manufacturiJg ~rocesses in registered [J~on approve a proposal to appoint U factories, State Governments U(! the Carbide a U. S. Company for supplYing enforcing authorities under the Factories know-how collaboration low density Act ar,d' model schedules are also polyethylene (LDPE) plant; and required to be enforced by the Slate Governmeo's through appropriate pro- (b) if so, the reaction of Govern· visions in the concerned factory ru les. ment thereto in view of Ibr iuvoiVflmen l cf tbis American firm in tbe resent Tbe Central Govt. have aJs.." advised Bhopal catastr(lph~ ? all Stilte GJvernments ,0 u'ldert

Expansion cf Plastic Pr (lcessin g: (a) whethe: Government i1;lve sen' units directives to the chemi:a1 lOdustry to implerne;Jt proper ~afegu3r(js in the 4125. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PAT. manufacture cf pesticioes ; NAIK : Will th,; Mini~ter of PETRO. LEUM be pleased to stale: (b) if so, tbe number of pesticides manufacturing units in th~ country (a) whether Government have a which have so far implemented pr oper proposal 10 expand the plastic pro- safety measdres ; cessing units ; (b) if so, the number of plastic pro- (c) the name of those pesticide . cessing units proposed to be set up 10 manufacturing units; and Ibe country in 1985-86 ; 219 Written Answer5 APRtL 23 1985 Wdtfefl Answers 2M

(c) tbe amount proposed to be spent cal items, from whichever State they on tbe expansion of plastic unH~; emanate, are examined 00 merits as per and the existiug policy.

(a) tbe estimated cost of the new Process-cum-P,odoct Development units proposed to be set up ? Centres for Small Scale Sector

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF 4128. SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY : THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to (a) to (d): The plasiic processing state: industry is exapandiog and this trend is expected to continue. It is not possi- {a) the details of the scheme for set- ble to indicate the number of new units ting up Process·cum-Product Develop- likely to be set np and tbe investment ment Centres for the purpose of up- thereon. grading the tecbnoloiY of small scale sector; Setting up of Cbemicallndostry (b) the details of iocation of these 4127. SHRIMATJ JAYANTI PAT- Process-cum·Product Development Cent- NAIK: Will the Minister of CHEMI- res that have been set up so far; and CALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: (c) whether the Committee set up to (a) the number of chemical indus- suggest a modernisation programme of tries set up in different States: Photo-type Development and Training Centres has submitted its report and (b) the location of those industrial if so, the action taken on the recom- units in different States; mendations on the report of the Committee? (c) whether Government have a proposal to set up some more chemical THE MINISTER OF STATE IN industries during 198 S· 86 ; and THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) With a (d 1 if so, the names of the places in defferent States where such chemical view to provide institutional support in industries are proposed to be set up in the field of Rand D for the small scale industries, tbe Government of Iodia ::.985·86 ? have introduced a scheme for setting up Process-cum-Product Development Cen- THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS tres for the purpose of upgrad ing the AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUS- technology of the small scale sector. TRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS The maio aim of these Centres is to SHRI VEERENDRA PATlL): (a) and develop bllller pro;;esses and bring (b): The details of the industrial about technological improvment in this licences, issued from time to time, to sector.so that their products not only the industries including chemical indus- improve in quality but also become try are published in the weekly Bulletin more competitive. Besides the Develop- issued by the Director of Statistics in ment of process, these Centres are tbe Office of the Chief Controller of intended to develop improved products Imports and Exports. New Delhi. through betler designs aQd use of improved materials etc. In addition (c) and (d): The industrial IicoDce these Centres would provide test inS applications for manufacture of chemi- facilities and also train entrepreneurs! 221 Written Answers VAISAKHA 3.1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 222

personnel of the small industries in use Formation of Corporations to Manage of improved t(loling and processes etc. Telephones in Bombay. Delhi and some other Metropolitan Cities (b) Tbe Process-cum-Product Development Centres tbat have been or 4130. KUMARI PUSHPA DE VI : are being sot up are : Will the Minister of COMMNI. CATIONS be pleased to state:

(i) PPDC for Glass and Ceramic (a) whether Governmen t have a Industries, Rancbi. prop~sal to form Corporations to manage telephones in Bombay, Delhi (ii) PPDC for Sports Goods and and some other metropolitan cities; Leisure Time Equipment, Meerut. (b) if so, the main objective of forming such Corporations ; (iii) PPDC for Casting and Forging Industries, Agra. (c) the financial implication of the proposal ; and (c) Yes Sir, action is being initiat· ed. (d) the time by . which the above proposal will be implemented? Rubber Factory in Joint or Private Sector in Kanyakumari District THE MINISTER OF STATE OF in Tamil Nadu THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNI· CATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS 4129. SHRI N. DENNIS: Will MIRDRA): (a) to (d): The Govern· tbe Minister of INDUSTSY AND ment has not taken any decision on the COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to suggestion to form Corporate body to state: operate tae telephone services in Bom. bay and Delhi. (a) whether Government are aware that optimum ru')ber production takes Declaration of Raigarb as-a Backward place in Kanyakumari District in Tami I Diltrlet and No-Indnstry District Nadu ; and 4131. KUMARI PUSHPA DE VI : Will tbe Minister of INDUSTRY AND (b) if so, the details of the steps COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to taken to set up a rubber factory either state: as a joint venture or in the private sector there ~ (a) whether Government of Madhya Pradesh have requested his Ministry [0 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN deciare Raigarh, a backward District of THE MINISTRY OF INDUS fRY AND the Stale as category 'e' and no-indus· COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF try district ; MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) and (b) : A large area in Kanyakumari district is (bj if so, the steps taken by Govern- under rubber cultivlltion. However, ment to declare the al)ove District as Government has received no proposal category 'C' and no·industry district for setting up rubber·based industries instead of category' 'B' ; and in the joint sector in Kanyakumari District nor bas any application been received from tbe private sector for (c) the steps taken to set up more grant of industrial licence for setting up industries in Raigarh District. Madhya sucb industries in tbe district. . Pradesh? 223 Written Answers APRIL 23, 1985 Wrltttn Answus 224

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN (d) whether Go,e~nmeDt have given THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND permission fur more number of petrol COMPANY AFFAfRS (SHRI A.RIF bunks in areas where the bunks are less ·MOHAM;<,iAD KHAN) : (a) No, Sir. to .be:p the public who are using vehicles? (b) Raigarh is already a Category 'C' backward district: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (c) The foHowing incentives/con- (a) 134 ret,,;l outlets (petrol/diesel cessions are al'aiJable to entrepreneurs pumps) :.ere presently operating in setting up industril;s in Raigarh Ballgalore city. District.

(i) Central Investment subsidY (b) Opening of retail outlets (pe'rol/diesel ru ups), dealeaships by (rj' ; 0 % ,uhj ~C:t to a m;{x;· the oi: camp2nie,. is a cotltiouous pro. mum of I.e, F ':,:;:lS. (MRTP/ FERA Companies are not cess to [; ke care of the increased dema!ld. Locations for of eligible tJ Central Subsidy). opening petro) Idiesel ~e!a:! outlets nre identified ty the oil LJdumy on the basis of (ijj ConcessiJoal finar,ce. periodical si.lrveys and the volume- dist,,;;ce nemus laid down for the pur- (iii) Inter~st sub,jjy to Engineer pos~. P,.;teD!:~J for 'Dore such Outlets eDt! epr(U~UiS. exists in B:iDg;~ 'o:-e City and is being provided for by the Oil Industry. (iv) S~ed,'Ma"gh Money assls, ranee. (c) Three.

(d I Kt eping the demand potential in vie .... , scL~ti\'n of dealers for four (vii F~~iiity {,:: pur~h: ,e :f machi· r.ew r:;·.ai' outkts 10 Bangalore City, nery Q2 nl~e"'p'_;.r(:niJ.se bas;s. iocludiug oni.' In Jayanagar area bus

Open of Petrol Hunks in Ba~ galore Production of LoP.G. Cyilnders

4132. SHRI V. S, KRISHNA 4:33. SHRI E. AYYAPU IYER: Will the MmtSlCr 0f j'ETRO. REDDY: W ill the Minister of LEUM be ph;;.sed to state: PETROLEUM be pleased to stJte :

(a) the number of petrol bUoks in (a) whether Union Government had Bangalore city; taken a policy decision two years ago to step up productin of L.P.G. cylinders tv make ,wadable Cooking gas (b) whether i he se are incommensu- to every household ; rate with the number 01 vehicle palying: (b) whether D.G.T.D. bad Issued registration to 600 units with an aggre- (c) the number of petrol bunks in gate installed capacity of 128 million Jayaoagar ; and cylinders per annum; 225 W,.ltt.n Answers VAISAKHA 3,1907 (SAKA)

(c) tbe number of units gone into Import of Photographic Colour production and the number of units Paper and Film by Hindustan read,. to go into production; Pboto Films Maaufactaring . Co. Ltd.

(d) whether Indian Oil Corporation 4 J 34. SHRI DILEEP SINGH bas advised new units not to go in for BHURIA : Will the Minister ofINDUS. production as there is no scope for TRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be placing orders witb the new units; pleased to state :

(e) whether OD account of inabili:Y (a) whether it is a fact that the of Indian Oil Corporation to place import prices of photographic colour orders with new units, about 15,000, paper and photographic colour film have workers are facing reterencbmeot and been declining during last few years in the capital outlay 00 these units is tbe world market; becoming irrecoverable ; and (b) whether Hindustan Photo Films

(f) wherther Go,ernment pre pose \0 Manufacturing Company Ltd., a public find out any immediate solution before seClor undertaking, has imported jumbo this problem becomes grave? rolls both of Photographic Colour Paper and photographic colour films;

1 HE MINISTER OF STATE OF (c) if so, the import price lb,,( cor; THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA) : (a) In the context of shortfalls in the (d) the cost of their conversion by availability of LPG cylinders, steps Hindustan Photo Film by slitting and were taken two years ago to improve confectioning ; aDd the availablity from the existing units. (e) the present selling arra~ements and their prices of the Hindustaa Photo Films? (b) D.G.T.D. have issued regis· tration for manufacture of LPG cy I inders to around 650 units with a registered THE MINISTER OF STATE IN capacity of around 130 million cylindels THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND per annum. COMPANY AFFARIS (SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) Yes, Sir. (c) Fifty four units are in production (b) Hindustan Photo Films Manu. while approximately 14 are ready to go facturing Company Ltd. (HPF), during into product iC'n. the last year, h"d imported a small quantity of photographic colour paper (d) The oil industry has advised in jumbo form. No imports of jumbo those who have recently set up units ur rolls of photographic colour film have are in the process of setting tbem up to been made. consider diversifying their facil ities and investment to production of other (c) The cost per sq. m. of imported items. material in jumbo form on the basis of lowest price of US $ 1.88 works out to (e) and (f): As the new units have Rs. 66.33 inclusive of customs duty. not gone into commercial prflduction the possibility of large scale retrench- (d) No costing bas been done by the ment of labour does not arise. Ways of company separately fur conversion of rendering help to the manufacturing photographic colour paper in jumbo uDits are beiDg explored. form. APRIL 23, 1985 Written Answerl 228'

(e) HPF's products are sold through (c) the strength deployed each stockists and dt'a,lers as well as directly time; to tbe customers. Sellii!8 price of HPF for these products ranges 'from Rs. 84 . (d) what was the shortest and to Rs. 96 per sq. m. plus applicable longest duration of development in the taxes and levies depending on the brand above mentioned incidents and where; of tbe product. and

Seeking of Military Hetp by States (e) the number of deaths occurred in aod Union Territories firing by police personnel and military personnel where military help was 4135. SHRI D. B. PATlL: Will sought? the Minister of DEFBNCE be pleased to state: THE MINlSTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO) : (a) (a) the number of times military and (b) : The details regarding the type help was sought by the States and of incidents for which Armed Forces Union Territories duirng 1982-83. rendered assistance to the States and 1983·84 and 1984-85 ; Union Territories and tbe number of times such assistance was rendered (b) the type of incidents doe to during the years 1982·83, 1983'84 and which military help was sought ; 1984-85 are as under :-

Type of incidents for 1982-83 1983·84 1984-85 which Aid provided

1. Maintenance of Law and Order 19 s 95

2. Natural Calamities 20 43 34

3. Maintenance of essential servic('s 7 5

4. Miscellaneous 36 47 41

(c) and (d): The strength deployed (a) whether the recomm! ndations each time and the duration of the of Women Status Committee regarding deployment depended upon the task employment of women have been imple. involved. It will not be in the public mented in Indian Oil Corporation and interest to disclose deta ils in this other units under his Ministry; and regard. (b) if 10, the maio recommendation (e) Information regarding causualties of the Women Status Committee and 8S a result of firing by military or the action taken and/ or proposed to be police personnel would be available with taken during 1985-86 in Indian Oil the concerned State Government/Union Corporation and other units? Territory Administrations.

Recommendations of Women Status THE MINISTER OF STATE OF Committee THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): 4136. SHRIMATI OEETA (a) aod (b): Information is being collect.. MUKHBRJEE: Will the Minister of ed and will be laid 00 the Table of PETROLEUM be pleased to state: the Itouse. VAISAKHA 3, 1907 (SAKA)

Promotional Avenues for Women ProductloD aDd Import of Antibiotics Staff In I.O.C. 4139. SHRIMATI N. P. JHANSI 4137. SHRIMATI OEETA LAKSHMI: Will tbe Minister of MUKHERJEE: WIll the Minister of CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be PETROLUM be pleased to state the pleased to state : details of promotional avenues for the (a) whether production of many women staff in ;-1ndian Oil Corporation antibiotics is below targeted capacity and other units under his Ministry 1 and also lower than previous year's production ; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (b) if. so, the reasons tbereof ; (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): There are no separate rules for tbe (c) the target and production year· promotion of female employees of the wise antibiotics wise, for last tbree years IndIan Oi I Corporation and promotions and re~son8 for shortfall ; and to various categories of posts are made in accordance witb the agreed promotion (d) tbe quantity of each of thelle anti- policies which cover female as well as biotics imported and foreign exchange male employees. spent in the last three years (year- wise) ? Industry in CannaDOre THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY 4138. SHRI MULLAPPALLY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI RAMACHANDRAN: Will the Minis- VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) to (d): ter of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY The Country has achieved ncar self- AFFAIRS be pleased to state : sufficiency in many antibiotics. There had been negligible import of penicillin. (a) whether there is any industry streptomycin, erythromycin and doxycy- under the Union Government in the cline. The total imports of antibiotics industrially backward district of has been deClining as below : Cannanore ;

Rear c.i.f. value of (b) if so, give the names and nature Import of those industries; and (Rs. in Crores

(c) whether there is any proposal to start new agro-based industries in Canna- 1981-82 11.00 nore district keeping in view the availability of agricultural products like 1982-83 8.1 rubber, cashew, coconut etc. 1 1983-84 S.S

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND These imports mainly consists of COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI AI-UF tetracycli,le, oxytetracycline, Oenta- MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) to (c): mycin, ampicillin and amoxicillio. Under the administrative control of th~ Imports are due to Inadequate pro- Ministry of Industry and Company duction due to reasons such as techno- Affairs, nq industry has been set up in logical problems, industrial relations, Cannanore (Kerala) nor there is any cheaper imports and raw materia 1 ,proposal; Ullder consideration of this constraints. Details of production and i Mloistry, for setting up agro-based import ot these antibiotics is as per iodustry in that district. Statement attached. 2H WritteN A1UWbs Al'RiL 23, 1985 Written Answer! 23z

Statement

SI. Name of the Year Production Import C. I. F. Value No. antibiotic (Rs .jlakbs)

1. Tetracycline ]981-82 188.93 T . 90.30 T 254.52

1982-83 209.14 T 66.67 T 160.65

1983-84 208.54 T 58.18 T 121.24

2. Oxytetracyc\ ine 1981·82 114.28 T 42.27 T 92.30

1982·83 119.57 T 40.95 T 116.35

1983·84 104.99 T 23.00 T 57.76

3. Gentamycin 1981·82 70.00 Kg. 672.35 Kg. 51.95

1982·83 472.76 Kg. 585.00 Kg. 30.57

1983·84 644.15 Kg. 653.85 Kg. 30.71

4. Ampicillin 1981·82 79.69 T 39.03 T 338.25 1982·83 122.50 T 33.17 T 228.32

1983·84 123.62 T 27.21 T 232.15

S. Amoxycillin 1981·82 0.92 T 24.73 T 229.03

1982·83 10.36 T 22.03 T 187.37

1983·84 22.33 T 6.55 T B.86

Production and Import of Vitamin (d) the imports of various vitamins for the last tbree years indicating tbe 4140. SHRIMATI N. P. JHANSI value in foreign exchange? LAKSHMI: Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY (a) whetber product ion of vitamins AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI is far below targets ; VEERENDRA PATlL): (a) to (d) : The Country has acheived near solf· sufficiency in various vitamins. Imports (b) if so, the reasons tbereof ; of Vitamins A, BI, C, D3, E, K, Folic Acid, Nicotinic Acid and Nicotinamide (c) whether rroduction is being kep t had been negligible· during 1983·84. low purposely by interested parties; Production of vitamin 86 bas com· aod menced recently. VAisAKHA 3, 1907 (SAKA)

Imports or vitamin A, B2 and B12 the period January. 1985 to Marcb, arc duc to inadequate production due 1985. Existing exchange will be ex· to r03800S such as technological prob- panded to the exteot possible in tbe lems, industrial relaticns :'nd raw present building. Bigger telephone ex- material constraints. Total imp!')1 (s of change have been a!lotted aod sanction. Vitamins for the past three years had ed for, both places for whicb building boen as under :- construction is expected to be commenced in a year. The present waiting list is expected to be cleared in three Year c.i.f. value of years time. Imports (Rs. in Crores) STD Link between Cities of Madhya Pradesh and Metropolitan Cities

1981·82 4.0 4142. SHRI DALCHANDER JAIN: Will tbe Minister of 1982·83 4.5 COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: 1983-94 3.3 (a) the name of the important cities in Madhya Pradesh proposed to be telrpbone Connections in Sagar and provided with STD facilities with metropolitan cities in 1985-86 ; and "bopal Cities in Madbya Pradesb

4141. SHIH DALCHANDER (b) the plan of Gilvernment for JAIN : Will the Minister of providing STD facilities between the COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to metropolitan cities and important cities state: in different States? THE MINISTER OF STATE OF (a) the number of applicants for THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNI. telephones connections in Sagar and CATIONS (SHRI RAM NIW AS Bhopal cities in Madhya Pradesh placed MIRDHA) : (a) In Madhya Pradesh the on the waiting list as on 31 December, following cities are already provided 1984 ; and with STD facilities to metropolitan cities : (b) tbe steps taken to provide telephone connections to these applicants? 1. Bhopal 2. Indore THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNI. 3. JabaJpur ('AllONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) The number of appli- 4. Khandwa cants waiting for telephone cODl1ectioDS 5. Gwalior in Sagar and Bhop:ll cities in Madbya Pradesh as on 31.12 84 is as given 6. Durg below: 7. Bilaspur

Sagar 377 8. S1ugar 9. Burhanpur Bhopal 4085 10. Raipuf (b) Waiting list as given in (a) 11. Ujjain above has been cleared to tbe extent of 20 in Sagar aad 1165 in Bhopal during 12. Mhow APart. 23. 198$

No new city in M.P. is likely to be of technology is selective. Import of linked with metropolitan cities by STD technology is permitted in sopbisticated during 1985-86. and higb priority areas. in export-orien. tt'd or import substitution manufac. (b) Provision of STD facilitics bet- turing, or for eflabJ:ng ifldigenous indus- ween the metropolitan cities and impor- try to update existing technology in tant cities in different States is a part India to meet effectively changing con- of tbo nation-wide subscriber trunk sumer preferences and/or become dialling tbro.gb a network of Trunk compet itive in the export market. Automatic Exchanges which is being progressively implemented in tbe five [ "rans/arlon] year plan programmes. . Amount Allocated to Bihar for Industrial Development in By the end of Si:ltb Plan 267 cities Rural Areas are coDnected to Trunk Automatic E:lchange network for nation-wide subscriber trunk dialling. Durin, tbe fIb 4144. SHRI R. S. KHlRHAR; Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND plan period the number of citie. in tbe COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleaald to country to be connected 10 nation-wide atatc : subscriber trunk dialling through Trunk Autom'ltic Ellchaoges is proposed to be increased to about l20n. (a) whether any separate allocations have been made in tbe current central budget for the industrial development of Entry or Foriegn Companies in the rural areas in tbe country; and Consumer Goods Industry

4J43. SHRI D. P. JADEJA : (b) if so, tbe amount, out of it SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH : allocated for Bihar, which is a back- SHRI MANORANJAN ward State? BHAKTA: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN Will the Ministry of INDUSTRY THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI to state: ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) and (b) : An amount of Rs. 60.00 crores (a) wbether Government wants more bas been provided in the B.E. J98S.86 foreign companies to enter the cousu- under tbe Central Incentive Scbemes for mer goods industry which hitherto was industrial development of backward considered low priority; areas. No State-wise allocation of funds has been made for the purpose. (b) wbether it is for tecbnology or for foreign capital; Construction of Houses in Kad'pur City for Defence Employees (c) the impact it will bave on our iDdigenou~ production ; and 4145. BRRI NARESH CHANDRA CHATURVEDI: Will tbe Minister of (d) whether this shift of policy is DEFENCE be pleaSed to state: helpful to self-reliancc ? (a) wbether keeping in view the great accomQlodation problem faced by THE MINISTER OF SrATE IN thousands of employees working in THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND several offices of the Department of COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ARlF Defence located in Kanpur Cit,. MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) to (d): Government have formulated IUlJ Government's policy regardiol impOrt ICbeme to .construct boat •• 231 Written Ans!4'ers VAISAKHA 3; 1'07 (SAKA)

(b) if so, tbe outlines thereor and (I,) Defence Reasearch and De,elopmellt the time by which it is I ike!y to be com· Organtsotion : pleted ; and Sanction ror construction of 47 ,(c) if not, the measure proposed to Type I, TS Type II, 84 Type III, 11 be taken by Government to solve tbis Type IV and 6 Type V quarters (or problem' employees of Defence ltesearch aod Development Organisation at Kanpur THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE hal been issued in September; 1983. (SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO): These quarters are expected to bJ (a) Yes, Sir. completed by end 1987.

(b) and (c) : Statement is attached.

12.00 hrs. Statement [Eliglish] The details of bouses to be conS· PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE tfucted for the employees working in (Rajapur) : What about tbe issue I have the various offices of the Department raised? of Defence located in Kanpuf city are as under: MR. SPEAKER: At 4 O'clock the statement is com ina. Then we shall do it. There is a difficulty for me. I always (I) Ordnance Factories : (ace tbis difficulty whenever tbe ques. tions relating to States come. So I can. Sanction for construction of 600 not decide one way or the other. Type I and 250 Type III quarters has been issued in February, J 985. These PROF. MADAU DANDAVATB : are expected to be completed between I am not raising the questions relating tbe period Jan., 1987 and Malcb, 1989. to the State. I am talking about In addition, it is proposed to costruct .uppression of the freedom of the press anotber 316 Type II and 108 Type III and in ~pite of the Arlfly, the police is quarters for employees working in tbe' revolting against the Army. All tbese various Ordnance Factories at Kanpur. probleme are very important.

(ii) De/t'nce Cililians (Army) : MR. SPEAKER: First I bave to see the statement and thcn I will Sanction for construction of 40 decide Type I, 24 Type II ;.nd 6 Type III quarters for Defence Civilians (Army) at Kanpur has been issued in March, 1985. PROF. K. K. TEWARY (Bullar) : Tbese quarters are expected to be Of cOU: se, the situation in Ahemdabad completed by mid 1986. bas taken a very ugly turn. But ~e sbould not rorget, if we want a solution to the problem and I think, nobody in (III) Civilian Employus 0/ Air Forcel this houle oppo~es the case for Station Kanpur : reservation. (Interruptions) Sanction for costruction of 36 Type I and 12 Type 11 quarters has been issued in May, 1984 for the Civilian MR. SPEAKER: We shall discuss employees at Air force Station Kanpur. it. Tbese quarters are expected to be ready by June, 1987. (lmuruptlons)**

.*Not recorded. 2.a9 APRD... 23. 1985 240

MR. SPEAKER: I am Dot a lowing PROF. MADHU DANDAVA,TE: you anything. You have said that the Minister Is going to make a statement on Abemda- (lnte"UPllons)·* bad situation and after that you will decide as to how it can be di,culICd. SHRt INDRAJIT GUPTA (Basir· The moment you bave Bnnouoed that hat) : You are allowing him. be is going to make a statement. we bave given a notice under rule 184 tbat MR. SPEAKER: I have not this statement be taken ioto consi- allowed him. It is not going on record. deration. Please assure tbe House whetber we will be allowed to take the statement into conlideration. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: But he is going on. We would not bear a lecture from him. Let us hoye a proper MR. SPEAKER: There are certain rules. Under tbese rules we shall see discussion. to it. (Interruptions)"'*' PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Rule 184. The rule is very clear. MR. SPEAKER: Professor, I am not goi[Jg to allow you anything. You (Interruptions) are taking undue liberty. I am not going to allow you to do it. MR. SPEAKER: Let tbe statement come first and (ben we &halJ see. PROF. K. K. TEWARY: I have stated my point of view. Yes, Mamtaji, "hat to do you want to say? MR. SPEAKER: Might be, but I have not allowed you. (Interruptions)

(Interruptions )** MR, SPEAKER: I cannot listen.

MR. SPEAKI!R : I am not going to (Translation] allow any discussion 011. tb is subjecl. I will discuss only afler hearing Ibe Two Professors do not allow me to statement and then 1 will decide as to listen to anybody. What should I do? what is to be done. [English] (lnterruptions)*'* SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: When the Minister is to make a statement on MR. SPEAKER: Not allowed. the fioo( of the House, then the matter cannot be ruled out for di~cussion. , PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: I want a clarification on your luling. MR SPEAKER: I have not ruled it out. I want to as~ure you that I will SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS consider it. MUNSI (Howrah): You have to maintain. • •. There cannot be double (Interruptions) standards.

MR. SPEAKER: Let him make 10 MR. SPEAKER: What is that 7 statement, tben I will see ••. There is no douhle standard; there is single standald here. (lnt erruptlons) **

-.Not recordrd. 241 VAISAKHA 3. 1907 (SAKA) 242

MR. SPEAKER: I am not opposed ment and the State Legislature, WhCD to anything .•• that Legislature is in scssion? •• (Interruptions). (lnttrruptions)**

MR. SPEAKER: I have not MR. SPEAKER: Although you allowed anybody .•. may bave your own way of thinking, tbe proceedings of the Houlfe are to be (Interruptions)·· conducted according to the rules laid down. There hane been statements and MR. SPEAKER: Well, all of you tbos~ statements have been discus~ed later on under Rule~ 193 and 184, but sit down '" there have been also occasions when (Interrupt/ons) tbere have been only statements aod rio discussions. MR. SPEAKER: They havc all sat down, you don't sit down ... PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Sometimes no statements at all. (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER.: Sometimes n) MR. SPEAKER: Prof. Tewary, statements, you are right, only discus- have yoU got no respect for the rules? sion? I agree with you. Now, after Arc you an cxception ? the statements is made, I . will have to look into it and I might have to consult others also as tbe BUliness Advisory PROF. K. K. TEWARY: I want Committee, also Leaders of the Oppo- your ruling, Sir. lilian.

MR. SPEARER: That is what I (Interruptio"s) have stood up to give now. What I am laying .•. MR. SPEAKER: Please look bere. Let me finish. I brve 'to lay down a (Interruptions) rule which will be applicable in each and every silu.ttion which arises. lcan- PROF. K. K. TEWARY: Sir, the not be discriminatory in one way or the Home Minister ... (lnterruprions). ot her. I have to plough a furrow which goes straight irrespective or Ihis MR. SPEAKER: Now you say it or that. So I will have to find out, I first and then will say. You just stand I have never barred any thins, I wm never up and say whatever you like to say, bar anything which comes under the Mr. Tewary. rule. If the House agrees then we will discuss or uot discuss accordinlly. So (Interruptions) U simp-Ie it is. PROF. N. O. RANOA (Ountur) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, if you take you:: seat, PROF. MADHU DANDAVATB: I have a small submission to make. We leave it to you.

MR. SPEAKER: That is what it is. MR. LPEAKER: l will take my I lUcan, even leaving it to me is ...' seat, Sir. 'I\'ish of the H01l~. I take tla" adva;. of the HOUie, I take the counsel oC· tl)e PROF. N. O. RANOA: Sir, would House, 1 take the consensus of tbe it be proper for this House to discuss a House and whenever I am in dlffi.c.olty, matter like th is which is substantially I call OD you and find a way out. That within the purview of tbe State Govern- is how I proceed.

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SHRt V. KISHORE CHANDRA of India dated the 26th March, S. DEC) (Parvathipuram) ~ Sir, let me 1985, regarding extension of make a submission. period of take over of management of Messrs Mahadeva Tex· (Interruptions) tile M:iIl~, Hubli, beyond five years under sub·section (2) of MR. SPEAKER: YJhat are you section 18AA of the Indus- soing to do? I tbink I have already tries (Development and Regu- stated now. What more do yeu want lation) Act. 1951. [Placed in from me? Library. See No. LT-7SS/ 85]. (InterruptioRs)

(2) (i) A copy of the Annual MR. SPEAKER: What do you want more from me? Any other sub- Accounts (Hindi and Bng- ject or this subject? I i&h versions) of the Khadi and Village Indus- tries Commission, Bom- SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY (Mah· bay, for the year 1983·84 bubnagar): This subject. together with Audit Report thereon, under MR. SPEAKER: I have already sub-section (4) of section dOile with it. 23 of the Khat;li and Village Inc:ustries Com· 1 have already made it amply clear. mission Act, 1956.

(Interruption,) (ij) A statement (Hindi and English versions) regard- MR. SPEAKER: That is all right. ing Review by the Govern· Now P"pers Laid. Shri Arif Moham· ment on Audited Accounts mad Khan. of the Khadi and Village Industries Commission, Bombay, for the year 1983-84. 12.10 brs. PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE (3) A statement (Hindi and Bng- lis h versions) showing reasons for dolay in laying the papers (English1 mentioned at (2) above. Notification under Indnstries (Deve- [Placed in Library. See No. lopment and Regulations) Act, Annual Discounts etc. of and Review LT-759!85], OD Khadi and Village Industries Commission, Bombay for 19113-84, (4) (i) A copy of the Annual Annual Report etc. of and Review on National Federation of Industrial Report (Hindi and Bng- Corporatives Ltd., New Delhi for lish versions) of the 1983-f4 National Federation of Industrial Cooperatives THE MINISTER OF STATE OF Limited, New Delhi, for THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY the year 1983-84. AND COMPAMY AFFAIRS

Limited. New Delhi, for MR. SPEAKER: I have already year 1983·84. told him that I have to decide after the Statement is made after examining Lhe U) A statement (Hindi and English pros atld cons of it. What more can versions) showing reasons for I say to him. deJay in laying the papers mentioned at (4) above. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: [Place I in Library. See No. It seems you have developed allerg, for LT-760j8S]. my colleague.

(Interrupti Oris) (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: About what I MR. SPEAKER: He is unneCes- bave told you, don't you follow English? sarily trying to make me alJecSic. Mr. Amal Datta, don't you follow'll (lnter.ruptlons) have already stated that I will discuss it after the statement is made, I will MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Amal Datta, see tbe pros and COI>S and then decide my action. Now, please sit down. you are an advocate, you mayexplaio well, you know everything and still you Don't take my time. try to smother it. That is all. (Interruptions) (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: I know the rules and I am going to follow them and you SHRI S JAJPAL REDDY I am must also understand what I have told seeking a clarification about what you you. You must listen properly. said.

Now, Calling Attention Motion- MR. SPE<\KER: I Thinle Jour Shri Harish Rawat. leader understands more, Mr. Reddy. Why don't you follow him '1 (lnterruptfo.·,S) (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Everything comes under thut. Listen to me. All rigbt, MR. SPEAKER: I am reali, I do not have to spread any further. shocked. You are unncessarily try ina Nothing goes on record of whatever to take the time of the House. they say. (InterruptionS) (Interruptions)"'''' SHRI AMAL DAT fA (Diamond MR. SPEAKER: What more clari- Harbour): You give a Ruling. Tbi. is fication do you want of that '1 You a matter or importance. expl~in it to him. If be does not listen, how can I make him listen '1 If he is MR. SPEAKER: I will give m, sleeping J can awake him, but if be is Ruliog when the Statement comes, and awake but pretends to sleep, how can I win decide whether or not to allow I wake him up '1 discussion. This is my privilege and I am going to decide tbat. So simple it PROF. MADHU DANDA VATE : is. Sir, if he wants to seek a clarification, why don't you allow bim to seek the SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: nis clarification '1 House must discuss th is issue.

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MR. SPEAKER: You might. Sit MR. SPEAKER: I have already down now. This is not your problem allowed a discussion. This is call· allen- only. the whole Hous..: is concerned lion. It i~ tbe same subject. What arc 'With that. Please sit down, Mr.' Reddy, you doing? Your poiDt of order is it is my privilege which I have to exer· over-ruled. cisco As long as I am in the Chair, I am gOing to exercise that right. So (Interruptions) .:mple it is. Finished.

MR. SPEAKER; That is all. Not AI long as I sit here, I decide allowed. according to the rules to be fair and impartial. It is simple. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPfA: He refers to the Obituary reference to the (Interruptions) former M P who has die(! in tbe police firing. No obituary refere'lce has been MR. SPEAKER: will give my I made 10 him. ruling. Let him object it. SI.' simple it is. MK. SPEAKER: When it comes ([nte ruptions) to me officially, I will do it. What i& the point of order in it. MR. SPEAKER: ! am also here for the pwple. I have been s~nt by the SHkI PIYUS TlRAKY: Because people and not by you. b~ was an adivasi MP, no news bas come to you and nobody has ••.•• , (Interruptions) Cnlerruplions).

THE MINISTER OF HOME MR. SPEAKER: It takes time. It AFFAIRS (SHRI S. B. CHAVANl: is not adivasi MP or otherwise. Every Sir, J rise to speak ..• Member is a Member. Every human b~ing is a human being. We do Dot SHRI PlY US TIRAKY (Alipur- treat tbem o:herwise. Look here ••. duar) : Sir, point of order. (Interrupt ions) MR. SPEAKER: What is your MR. SPEAKER: You unnecessarily point of order? complicated the tbings.

SHRI PlY US TIRAKY : The Home PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Ministry as well as the B;har Govern- He only wants to khow what an ex·MP ment had disregarded the adivasis. has died, no obituary reference has They have treated them like 5ub·human been made. Even for obituary reference, beiDas. have we to fight in the House?

MR. SPflAKER: Tbis is not so. MR. SPEAKER: No, Sir. The problem is, wheD we get Ihe informa- [Translarton] tion, we have the rule, which you laid down, that it must be conlfrmed be- You sbould not make a wrona forehand. When JP Ji died, it haPPtDed statrmeDt. like tbat. That was the problem.

(e.r,II-"r1 PROF. MAJ>HU DANDAVATE: SHKI PlY US TIRAKY: One ex- If there is such a delay in tbe obituary Hon Member bas died ••• rererence, I would never like to die. VAISAKHA 3, 1907 (oS..4KA)

MR. SPEAKER: I appreciate your MR. SPEAKER: If there is DO decision. I think, the House unani- substance in it, I cannot help it. If mously approves your dcci, ian. I will there is Dothini, then I canDot help it. follow your deci~ion. If there is no 5ubst ance, I cannot discuss with you. SHRI V. KISHORE CHANDRA S. DEO : I ba,ve given a notice about ([nterruplioIlS)** the .as pipeline. MR. SPEAKER: Whatever Amal Datta said will not form part of the MR. SPEAKER: We "ill take one record. b, one. All subjects clnnol come in a singl e day. (Interruptions) , * SHRI V. KISHORE CHANDRA S. MK. SPEAKER: I have not allow- DEO: Wc have not heard from your ed you. You ~re unncfssarily taking the office. time of the House. This is not proper for you If you arc going to debate MR. SPEAKER: How could you with me on the fioor of the House, I hear? When I will decide it, then you am going to name you now. will hear. ( Interruptions) SHRI V. KISHORE CHANDRA S. MR. SPEAKER: You are exceed- DEO : When will you dec'de ? ing .your limit. MR. SPEAKER: There is one (llllcrruptiol1S) call-atlention a day. You cannot take MR. SPEAKER: I have always tbree. there any magic with me? Is heard you witb r~pt attention aDd great The magic is only witb Shri Ash0k attention. I always respect you. I al- Gehlo! aDd he can do it because he is ways hear you. Wh",n the e is no sub- a magician. stances, I cannot htlp it. (Interruptiom)** (Interruption, ) MR. SPEAKER: Look here. Gent lemen, he is an adv()cate; he is MR. SPEAKER: You arc taking a very in telligent friend of mine; he is the whole time of the House u[)ncces- a good friend of mine. He is harangu- sarily. ing me unnecessarily. SHRI V. KISHORE CHANDRA S. Look here. I have got the call- DEO: We cannot be silent spectators attention. All the time v'e take only to atrocities and so many things one. It is one call-attention a day. happening around us. Now, Y(lU sec, how can I gC?! three call- MR. : PEAKER: Y c'U come to attentions a day OT 7 call·attentions a me, listen to me and 1 will tell you day? what I am d"ing and what I have done. SHRI SAIFLJDIN CHAUDHARY Have I barred any discussion. On the (Katwa): You can have two in a day. floor ..,f the House,! Anyone can say that I have been the most liberal pt:rson MR. SPEAKER: Now JOU wanted in allowing discussion. adivasi subject first. So, I gave tbe call attention on adivasi. I go accord- SHRI AMAL DATTA: On a num- ing to what has been decided. You are ber of days, ther~ was no Calling getting something which you have de- Attention. cided y(urself. It is the Business Ad· visory Committee which decide and MR. SPEAKER: It was decided according to their instructions, I am that way. doint it. If you do not follow, what This is very bad. I don't like it. can I do about it '1 (Interruptions)·-

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12.20 brs. be taken against those respoDsible for the said murder and that traditional fiishing CALLING ATTENTION TO MA TTER OF URGENT PUBLIC right in the tank would continue as usual. Thereafter, the Adivasis dis- IMORTANCE peresed. As a precautionary measure, Reported deatb of many Ad ivasis and proceedings under section 107 Cr. P. C. Injuries to other as a Result of Firing by were initiated against both the parties. Police in Sa!tc!tga'lj District of Bibar In order to maintain law and order, two [ Translation] sections of Armed' Police Force, two SHRI BARISH RAWAT (Almora) : A.S.ls., and one Inspector with Mr. Speaker, Sir, I call the attention of Magistrate were deputed at the place of the Minister of Home Affairs to the occurrenCe. following matter of urgent public 3. Howevcr, the atmosphere iml'ortacce and request that he may a seemed to have b-::come vitiated. statement thereon: After organising a meeting in village "Si tuation ar;sing out of the Rckso, P. S. Borio on 15th April, 1985 rcpJrted death of many Adivasis in this connection, which was addressed and injuries to others as a result of also by Shri Sibu Saren, and 3hri Simon firing by Police in the Sahebganj Marandi, the two sitting MLAs, Adivasis district of Bihar and the action taken startcd agitational programme in different by the Government of India in t'he parts of the district against non-Adivasis, matter". Mahajans and Police Administration. In this meeting, provocative speeches [English] were made and tribals were asked to THE MINISTER OF HOME assert their rights vis-a vis non-Adivasis. AFFAIRS (SHRI S. B. CHAWAN): 4. As further reported by the State Sir, I rise to speak on the unrortu- GavL, on 19th April, 1985, Adivasis nate incident that took place on 19th put up road blocks around village Banjhi April in village Banjhi, District P. S. B;:nio, dislt. Sahebganj. Before Sa he bganj, Bihar. the police reinforcement could reach the 2. A~ repJrted by the State village in the afternoon, the tribals who Govt. of Bihar, it appears that on had gathered in strength, started attack. 25th March, 1985, a dead body of an ing nor -tribals and looting and burning Adivasi was four.d floating in a tank in their properties. In this process some village Banjhi, P. S. Borio whose fishing houses and a post office was . burnt. The right was settled on one non-Adivasi mob there surrounded the police camp (known as Diku) Moti Bhaciat of the and attacked it with bricks and arr have been deputed at all the Adivasis. It may be North eastern police stations. Intensive patrolling is States, which are governed by the continuing. Adivasi people, or Bihar, Orissa, Madhya Pradesh, U. P. or Himachal Pradesh, S. Chief Minister along with which have 'non-adivasi governments, Chief Secretary and Director-General there is resentment among the Adivasis of Police visited pl~.ce of occurrer.ce on account of var'ying reasons. These on 22nd April, 1985 and talked to mlY relate to 'Koolistan' or 'Gorakha- Adivasis and non-Adivasis. State land' or creation of separate States for Ministers Shri Thomas Hansda and Shri Bastar and some other areas in Bihar_ Sarju Upadhya acc0mpanied him Shri Various &eparatist forces are raising their Somon Mandhya, MLA, was also present h_ads. There is need to go deep into there. Pe8ce Committees compns:ng the causes of all these things. prominent local members from Adivasis and Non-Adivasis have been formed to reslore complete normalcy in the area. According to my information, we Divisional Commissioner has already have formulated many schemes for the commenced an inquiry into the police welfare of the Adivasis. Many laws have firing. He has been instruct",d to submit been enacted. Parliament and State inquiry report early. Chief Minister Assemblies have passed resolutions on announced ex-gratia payment c f Rs. 5,000 many occasions to implement th~ wel- each from Chief Minhter's relief fund fare programmes meant for them, but to the next of kin of each deceased there is need to see whether these reso- person and Rs. 1,000 to each injured lutions are beir.g implemented or not in person. the real sense. I feel that the major reason for resentment among them is [Trans [alioll] that they are being evicted from the SHRI HARISH RAWAT: The st~te lands on whIch they have bean traditio- ment made by the Hon. Mit,ister shows nally doing shifting cu~tivation, irrespec- that if the local administration had taken tive of the fact whether they had the precautionary measures in time, this proprietary rights with them or not. unfortunate incident could have been Under various laws they are being averted. According to this statement, prevented from making us'~ of thdr there was not one but three opportuities lands. At many places cntain people when the senior officers of the area had purchased th~ir !ands because of could visit the spot and settle the issue their being illiterate. Th~ State Govern- then and there through persuasion, but ments enacted laws to make this none of the senior officers tried to do so. puschase of la:id nu:1 and void, but these When, the Adivasis became violent and laws could not be enforced properly. tried to gherao the police station and In my area the people of the Tharu started looting the people belonging to community live in Tarai region. Their a particular community, the action taken lands were purchased by the afflUent by the senior officers of the area was people. These affluent people own 100 that they resorted to the police firing. to 200 acre farms at present and these I would request the Hon. Minister to people, who were once owners of those apprise the State Government of our feel- lands, are work~ng with them like bon- ings that senior officers should not have ded labour. The State Gt)vcrnment shown such indifference in this matter. h2ve enacted the law, but has not been able to enforce it. The Madhya Pradesh It is a matter of great re~ret that ever Government have taken an initi!'tive in 255 Calling Attention ta APRIL 23, 1985 Urgent Public 256 !11arter of Importance

[Shri Hari sh R a wat] Mahaj.1n. They have looted their property. The Adivasi problem is a big on e and this resp ect. I would suggest that you th ere is no scope for detail ed discussion ask other State Governments also to here . I would like to know from the take simi i;;t r L1iti

responsibl e for the tribal development ? being witnessed in all the tribal areas. Will you spend that money through that A new awareness for their rights appears department only ? to be gaining ground. It is very heartening to note that how an aware- In addition, will you see whether the ness is there among them about the fund s allocated to th e States under tht rights which they have br::en given and Sub-Plan h1Ve be en properly utilised or th e rights which should ha ve all along not? Have the fuuds provided by you been given to them. But, at the same been spent for the purpose for which time, there are some extremist elements, they were pro vided ? . Will you make the elements who a re forcing them to SJme monitoring arrangem ents? Are you adopt a wrong course by taking advan- prepared to go into these questions ? tage of their resentment.

Then, it is necessary to preserve the W e have rcquasted all the State cul ture of the trib1ls. We have to see Governments that the schemes in the that all the programmes meant for their tribal areas, whether they are Central social development are in accordance Government schemes or Staie Govern- with th eir culture and way of life. One ment schemes, or whether they have of the reasons for the resentment among been started by the banking institutions them is that Government are working for their benefit, should be properly against their cul ture and way of life or implemented and good officers having contrary to their fee'ings. If we under- fai th in the welfare of the tribJls should take any welfare work for them, it be assigned the job of implementation of should bedone after persuading them. In such schem ' S. We have told all the this work you should engage those Stat e Government about it and we have persons, who may keep all these things also given financial incentives to these in mind. They should impltment welfare people, so that all these schemes could policies meant f,lr them witeout hurting be implemented properly under their the feeli ngs of the Adivasis. What supervision. steps are bei ng taken by you in this direction ? The report that I have received from THE MINISTER OF HOME the Government of Bihar says that they AFFAIRS (SHRI S. B. CHAVAN) : Mr. hav e constituted a monitoring Deputy-Speaker, Sir, if I go into the committee to see how the programmes questions raised by the Hon. M ember, it for the tribals are being implemented at will be a full-fledged debate on the the proj ect level, the district level and work being done in the tribn I areas. at the state level and that they have appointed such officers as coordinate I want to make it clear that prima their efforts to fi nd out, how the facie my impresskm is that perhaps, programmes for the tribals are being this incident could have been averted impl em et.ted. hard the police officers of the State Go vernment acted in time. But, it I agree with your opinion to a large w;uld not be proper for me to give my extent. The tribal p; ople have their opinion wh ile sitting here. I cannot main interest in their lands, but due to say anything about what situation the poverty, the dominant section usucps loc<. l officers were facing at that time their lands b ecause of their riches and and particularly When the inquiry into it money lending business in spite of a ban is going on, it will not b e proper on on such land transaction. The State my part to express any opt nJ on about Gover nm ents have enacted laWs in this th at But, prima facie, I agree with regard, but in spite of inalienable rights, your opinion. the land is sold to them and they will have to return that land. Such laws It is tr11e that a new a wa rcncss is have been enacted by each State, but 259 Glllling Attention to APRIL 23, 1985 Urgent Public 260 Matter of Importance

[Shri S.B. Chavan] Then comes the question of middle- the position in all the States is Dot men. Steps have been taken to uniform. In same States, the work in emancipate the Adivasis from their this regard is done efficiently whereas clutches. Today, an impression has in the ·case of some other States, this gain;:d ground among the tribals, which work has not been done properly. is true also, that whosoever comes there 1 shall again write to all the State comes to exploit them. An impression Governments, particularly about the is gaining ground among them that the fact that the Jaws enacted to restore the people who come for the welfare of the tribals, actually go there for their lands of the trib~ I people should be properly monitored and efforts should expioi tat ion. This impression needs to be made to do as much work as possible be removed. With a view to removing to restore the lands to the tribals by tbis impression, if the people who fixing specific targets year-wise. want to Sincerely work among them go there and provide them with all the facilities, only then we shall be able to Mention was made abelU! the Forest restore confidence in them. Efforts Conservatbn Act and it was said that it have been made to minimise the role of affected the traditional rights of the the middleman. The contract system tribals. I do not agree with it. The prevailing there has since been Forest Conservation Act is aimed at abolished.. Efforts are made to get al1 checking the illegal felliog of trees and the forest work done through forest large scale deforestation. The true societies and labour societies. About culture of the tribaJs is in the forests 120 Forest Labour Co-operative and this Act has been enacted far their Societies ha ve been formed there and protection. the entire work is done through them. The forest labour rate which was SHRI HARISH RAW AT : I want to Rs. 4.50 till 1982 has been enhanced bring to the notice of the Hon. to Rs. 8.50. Thus, they have been Minister the fact that when the tribals benefited by eliminating the middle- go to the forests to being tree I evels for man. feeding the sheep, goats and other cattle, they are prevented by the Fair Price Shops are also being Forest officers from doing so. opened there. I,ow Societies, which are called 'LAMPs' by the tribals SHRI S. B. CHAV AN : So far as I have also been opened there in large know, there is no such restriction in the numbers so that the tribals could be Act. Still, I shall try to gather infor. protected against the exploitation of mat ion in this respect so far as my illfor- shop-keepers. Arrangements have been mation goes, it can be a matter of made in this connection. We hope harrassment by the lower level officers. that the committees which have been Under the provisions of this Act, there functioning for their welfare. would is no restriction on the traditional implement the schemes formulated for rights, if somebody beings tree leaves the welfare of the tribals. The funds for cattle feeding. This is the position provided by the Central Goverment and as far as I know and prima facie also it the State Government would be does not appeal to me. I agree that utilized in a proper manner. I think with a view to harrassing the people or the work done by these committees extracting money from them, the local would benefit these people very much. officers might be indulging in such kind of things, but I do not think there is SHRI ZAINUL BASHER (Ghazipur): any such restric,ion in the Act. Still, I Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, by going shall try to get :nformation in this through the Statement of the Hon. Home J'cgard. Minister~ it appears that the Bihar ,: , . Calliug Attention to VAISAKHA 3, 19D7 (SA.KA) Urgent Public Matter of Importance

Government have not tried to deal In such cases, it has been the pohcy of with this matter very seriously, which the Central and the State Governments has been admitted by the H,m. Home to provid~ job to at least o.le member of Minister also. If efforts had been made a family whose land has been acquired; to deal with tbis matter tactfully and but this policy is not being implemented. keeping in view"the feelings of resent- This matter has been raised many a ment among the tribals, I think tbis time in the House. We have raised this tragi c incident would not have occurred, m:ltter in the consultative committees of Yesterday, our Hon. Speaker had expre$~ Unions Ministries as well, but one person ed a very good feeling that the efforts from each family is not being given at creating an atmosphere of violence in employmer.t. Th';l perSO;1S resid;ng in the country should be checked and the Rouikela Steel Plant area have not been people of the entire country, the Mem- provided with job5. In tbe areas where bers of all the politicai parties ard this Railway Projects are being u;).dertaken, august House, ilhould condemn the the people have out b':en provided with incidents of violence. First of ail, I jobs The pwp'e living in those areas would like to express my sympathy to where hydro-electric projects are being those people who have been kill,d or cvnstwctcd have also not been provided injured in the Police firing. There is a with jJbs. When the pilblic sector units resentment b,ewing: for a 1-)ng time in hav.:: ;lot provided them with jobs and Bihar, M.idbya P;·ade'h. Orissa and have not done judce to them, how can Bengal and Central PfEtS of India, which one expect justice in the private sector have a large concentration of the tribals. where people from outside areas are Economic or sociJ.1 factors m;ght be the always appointed? Cause of this feeling of resentment. The tribals have b;:en accu5taned to a particular way of life. T,1cy have been Mr. Deputy Sp~akcr Sir, according leading a particular way of life for to my information, the employees of centuries in the fL)res(s. Now, there is the Forc!>t-Department are appointed development of Science and Technology. from outsidl! areas even ia these for..;s!s It is a coincidence 1hat our mineral which are surrou,lded by the tribals and deposits are located in these very a:eas. the local tribals are not provided with Power plants and canals have also to be any jJbs. Nuturr lIy this causes a feeling constructed on the land in these areas. of reseitment among them. This feeling Therefore, with development, these of resentment is b~ing expioih:d by those people arc coming in contact with the who want to create an atmosphere of outside world and naturally this is caus- terror and violence in the country. This ing a feeling of resentment and hostility has I ed to demands for separate States. among, them. This feeling of hostility Sometimes there is the demand for a and resentment is aggrav .• ted. When they separate Jharkhar:d State and sometimes do not get justice as a result of the the demand is raised for a separate growing development. These peo;>le Kaihan State, to which our Minister of have been depr:ved of their lands be- State for Home Affairs Shrimati Ram cause of the development proj~cts which Dulari Sinha had referred sometime back have bt:en cJmp~eted and are m the in Rajya Sabha. Sometimes some ele- process of implemcntation and appro- ments try to initigate this feeling of priate compensation has not been paid resentment among them and some foreign to them for their lands. They hJ.ve been agents are also active in this work. We paid a nominal compen~ation. In the have also received complaints that some places, where development p:ojects are foreign miss:onuies, active in these areas, beini! undertaken, factories are being set are also involnd in this activity. These up, railway lines are being laid or canaal people are also inciting and initigatinll and hydro-el ectric projects are being them to adopt a hostile attitnde. Under constructed, there also the lands belong- such a situation, it becomes imperative ing to the Adivasis have been acquired. on our part to pay attention to the basic catiing A.tte~rion to APRIL 23, 1985 Urgent Pub/;c 264 Matter 0/ Importance

[Shri Zainul Basher] every time it is the tribals and Harijans who are killed. Sometimes caste Hindus problems of these tribal people, because kill Harijal1s anj sometimes other people economic and social problems are the kill tribals ar'.d sometimes the Police kill cause of their resentment. I agre<: that ill collusion wi th both. Therefore, there these people do not have any political ar'e pCJssibiliti es of cxc('sses bchg Com- ambition which might be exploited by mitteed on them. Keeping in view all som~ J:)eople. I wou!d, therefore, like to th::se f:letors, it becomes imperative on ask the Hon. Home Minist~r if he has the part of Government to keep a close got any clue reg1fding the involvement watch on the Bihar administra tion and of foreign elements in inciting them '/ to remain alert ~pecially with reg1.rd to When Gia:liji was the Hom~ Minister, the Po:ice. In additiof', t!"le ffcruitment he had saId that in any foreign involv.:- of triba's in the Police Dcp:lftment ment was found, we would pelt to an end should L-e i;;creased su{"h an involvem'~nt. Has he found any foreign involvement or not? Has he Mr. D_puty-Speakcr, Sir, whenever conducted any inquiry in this reg:ud '/ ri'Jts l!ave occurred in the Counting, Has the Ministry of Home Aff:>.irs COE- whc: her there riots were communal riots dueted any ie.qui]:y to know ".b:Jut the or riots in th'O) basis of caste, time and activi:ies of the foreign missionaries a6ain a dem:lnd has been made in . his functioning in such areas? If any House that the minorities, the Harijans, inquiry has been made in this regrrd, and the ex-servicemen should have what haS bee;). the results of that? There reBsonab~e represen!ation in the State is volcano of disintentment in the tribal Police forces. I am happy to say that areas and it mig'1t erupt at any moment. this s~ctjon of the society hus got suffi- It is high time that we redress..::d their cient representation in the CRPF and grievances and in the background of the the BSF and that is why there are no ;;ltmosphere of unrest, terror and violence cC'mplaints agairst the pers:lI1nel of the all around thc ccuntry, we shouU pay CRPF and the BSF. On this basis, letters special attention to these tribal a Teas. 1 on behalf of the Central Government still hold the View that these people do have been written to the State Govern- Dot have very high political ambitious, ments th:lt these people should be given but they have economic and sDcial m:)re and m:)rc representation in the prob~ems which must be sOlved. I Cannot Police but the State Governments are blame the Bihar Government for the not paying any heed to it. I would like recent incident, because I do not have to know from the Hon. Home Minister full details thereof, but the gap between if he would take any action in this the number of people of various castes regard so that the minoritks al'd the and classes in the Police and the tr;bals eouL be given greater represen- administratIOn in Bihar has grown so tation in the Police Forces of various much that the pDssibilities of excesses States. being committed on the tribal people cannot be ruled out. The report in this Mr. Deputy-Spe'lker, Sir, in the regard, which would be submitted later end I would like to urge Government in or the information which would be that there should be a j:Jdicidl inquiry collected by the Heme Minister through into this incident of firing. The inquiry his sources would provide compl ete to b~ conducted by the commissioner is details, but prima/ade it apJ:)ears trat meaningless. In an incident where the way the Bihar administration is fifteen persons have been killed ill firing falling a victim to casteism, communa- and there is an atmosphere of terror lism and class, considerations and the among the tribals, if becomes necessary position of the Bihar Police there is that judiCial inquiry through a Higk lood deal of likelihood exces,:-es have Court Judge or Supreme Court Judge be~n committed against the tribal people. be ordered into the entire episode, and The reason for this likelihood is that only then the true picture would emerge. 26~ eatting Attention to VAISAKHA 3, 1907 (SAKA) Urgent Public 266 Matter of Importance

The mo neylenders, traders and contrac- These are the basic issues for which tors get the land settlrment done in guide-lines could be issued by the centre their own favuur with the help of the ul'd the Union Government could advise Administration. In the first instance, the States. But it would not be proper they g'ab the land which has been in for us to take over this responsibility. the occupatiort of the tribals for 100 years or 150 yel~rs and then:after they 13.00 hrs. are between up by their goond3S and then lar.d settl.::ment is got done in their Just now an Ho:}. Member asked if own Lvour with the he!p of the tlle cer.tre had any plan to make a Administration. Such things ~tre c0mprchensive survey reg'lrding the being frequently rcported. Th;s bve nnd alienation of land by some people. We att"chment of the tribals towards their have 1'0 cbj~ction to making such a land sometimes leads to riots. I would, survey, but c parallel machinery w:Juld therefore, like to ask th:; Han. Minister have to b~ set up there. In my view, if if any Central agency would make a a para:lcl organisation is set up and detai:ed survey for a r.ew s~ttlement and such a survey is made by the Centre, it whether it would it be decided in such w:luld not be possible to take any a su:·vcy that there will not be any follow up

[So B. Chavan1 the laws for their rebabilitation in a proper manoer without delaying otber about the diversion of crores of rupees schemes. meant for their welfare and benefit. This is a matter of great concern for me. I would myfclf visit tbose areas SHRI ZI\INUL BASHER: They and find out if :;ny schemes could be are not being taken in many Central projects. formul ted in con,ultation with tbe people of those areas, which could benefit them directly. I would apply 'ShRI S. B. CHAVAN: Witbout my mind towards this. I am bJPpy to apportioning blame to the public say tint I bve made d special request sector, tbe private sector, or the State to my collel1gue, Shrimati Ram Oulari bector or the Central sector, I would Sinha, to visit those areas and she has say Ihis much that none of them bas accept ed my request to go there. She been as cdreful as (hey should have would go there tomorrow aod study the been. I do agree that thIS Iucuna entire situat ion and we would decidll should be removed. We woutd have to about the future course of action. think in a dilferenl mann~r In tl1is regard. I do not think it proper to reply So fdr as the judicial enquiry into th is tbrou~h a c:lliiog alte,Hio.} notice ill mltter is COJcC'fll.:d, it 5houIJ be left to this regard. the State Guvernmeat. Altbou~h it is a State Subject y"t as it concerns the [EI,gliJh] Adivasis, we are also con~erncd wit hit. SHRI C. MADHAV REDDI But law and order, in any Clse, is a (Adilabad): The statement of 'be State subjx:t. In the m ltter of law and MlOister d Jes not ctearly show abou t order when a judicial enquiry is pending the action taken by the Slate Govern· it wi'll not be within our jurisdiction. meat after one Adivasi was murJered in The Chief Miuister has remrned from that particular village. It is last month, there only yest~rday aCId if be I hink:s about five weeks ago that this incident it proper, he cJ.n m"ke an an ~ounc;!. occurred and before that series of ment to this effect on behalf of the incidents had' occu,red in Santbal Stat~ Gov.:rnm:nt. Dut we dJ not Parganas because of the proposal of the think it proper t,o give our opinion if) State Gjvernment to divide Santhal the mltter from l1~re. Parganas whicn b inh<\bited by the Abollt money·lenders and con-, Santhals and other tribiils into 3.4 tractors, I have dealt With it just now. small districts and they were feeliog that the Adivasis will be in minority in Whatever has b~en said about em- all the districts There was agitation ploym;nt or the compensation being about this, a lot of discontent about less, when their lands are acquired fOf tbis and the situation of tension. exis t. variou~ p,ojects, is truo u':ld some ed in the whole of S ,nthal PargaDas. peop e should come forward to help It was easier for the Scate Government tbem There are still some shortcomings to know tbat this murder was ikely to in this matter. i ead to a lot of law and order s iluation.

If all the political parties aDd I would like to point out that this political organisations support their particular incident in Sambal Pargaoas case to provide ju~tjce to these people, is not an isolated incident, as bas been these people would be able to get what- pointed out by other Hon. Members. In ever is du:: to them under tbe law. At other States similar incidents had least one memb~r from eazh of their occurred duriog the last 2-3 years, I families must get a jjb. A law has been am reminded of a ~ery serious incident euac~ed in .00le of the Stales for their which occurred in Adilab~d DIstrict. In rebabiljlation. We would ask tbe State the Indravali firing, about 40 Iribals Governments to make am::ndments in were killed and hundreds of tribals • 269 Cl.IlIInr Attenrion to VAISAKHA 3, 1901 (SA.!"A) Urrtm Public 270 Matter of Impoltance were wounded and a reign of terrors a day will come when the non-lribals started after that. Then there was an will blve to go away from the tribals incident ill Mabarashtra, I re'llember belts I hwe seen many ca~es where ill Dule District. I suppose 0.1 the thl oot] tribals could not alienate the Bhils of the District, There was all ;>roperly to some other non·lriba)s. The attack by the armed· gang employed by non-Iribals has to sell oaly to the the landlords in which about 8-10 tribals which means that the property persons werc',killed. The whole settle- has no valu~, becauie tbese are inter- ment of the Bhils was wiped out and ferences with the prop~rty rights of the their cattle were driven away and so on individuals. and so forth such incidents occurred in Gujarat, in Madhya pradesh, in Bastar. NJw, if such is the case, naturally Mandias suffered such incidents. 1.1 there is a feeling of insecur ily among several places, such incidents occurred th~ non·tribals and the tribals are not and there is a uniform pattern of these feeling very safe be.:?use both the incidents. I agree with the Hon. Mi ,is. tribals and non-tribals are on the path ter that there are certain extremists who of confrontation. Wi.! should have such are trying to exploit the situ Iti D. a policy in th! tribll are:!s which will not lead to conforntat ion between tbe But I feel that since this is of a Iribals and the non-Iribals. They bave recent occurrence, particularly becaus" to live h'lppiJy al1d they hav, to live we used to hear of the insurgency peacefully. activities only in the North-East P ro- vinces, that were !;oing on for a number The HIJQ. Minister was ta )king about of year. Bul in the Central India and in tbe mo.}ey-Ienders and the imerchant. the Eastern India such incidents were who are there, in the tribal areas. The r.,re. But today we see tb It in all tbese money-lenders are goiog because the tribal areas there is trouble State credit is required by the tribals. The Governments had promulgated a number so-called Kangal b,mks in Maharash tra of measures including L1nd Transfer and Madhya Pradesh are still in Regulation Act. It is good that the operdtion. It is a shlme that we SliJ I land which the tribals had lost and alie- have thes~ Kangal banks ID operation nated illegally should be restored to in these areas, and we have failed to tbem. Law should be made and impleme- supply the credit to the trib.lis, or to nted to s~e that these lands are restored take carl! of the credit needs of the to tbem But we must remember that all tribals. these tribal areas even though we have some concentration here and there, are mixed peputatiJn areas. Tbe tribals Now, coming to the Santhal Par- live along with the Harijans and olher ganat 19th April incident, I am aware peopl'!. All types of people go tbore, that an inquiry is going on. But I feel purchase lands there and settle down. th It this type of inquiry is no good, We have to see that tbe land, alienated because unless we have a judicial 1S to 20 years baCk, may be illegally. inquiry the truth will not come out. are taken back and restored to the tribals We are particulary anxious to know people. The lands should be restored why action has not been taken and why to the original land owners, but in the nobody has been arrested when a mur· process we are creating bittreness. Some der h:~s t~ken place. Had they taken States hIve barred tbe interference of action immediately after tbe murder courts. But several States have not this thing could have beea avoided. I done it. On the one side tho tribals are fxl the Ho:]. MlQi~ter would agn:e to Dot happy because of Court's stay a judicial inquiry. I know tb t Ihis is orders, and on the o\her side the non- a State subject, but tribal welfare is a tribals are also unhappy. There is a centra) subject. Even tbough law aDd talk in some places tbat DOD-tribais order is the subject of the Slates, will bave to vacate and go away. that becaosc tribal welfare is involved, and 211 C"ning Attention to APRIL 23, 1985 Ufge1ft Publk 27'2 Motl-er of Impol1ance

[Shri C. Madhav Reddy] going t~ solve tbe problem unless the objective with waich these committees it is a very seIiaus si!uatioD, having its have been sct up, is fulfilled. I cannot repercussions else",hne, we can suggest . ask the State Government to h old any to the State Government that they judicial iJquiry. It is primarily a State should institute a judicial inquiry into subject. Looking into tbe circumstances it. which arise if the Chief Minister feels that a judicial inquiry is necessary. then SHRI S B. CHAVAN : Most of the it is entirely within his domain to points which the Hon. Member has order a judicial inquiry. The Central raised, J have clarified in the beginning Government cannot interfere in the in reply to two other colleagues of ours, mltter. y. ho spoke in the beginning. SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH 1 am not aware of any such pro- MALIK (Sonepat) : I koow that certain posal of baving divid~d Santhal parganas points hwe already oeen touched. I into three or four districts as the Hon. would like to highlight the remaining Member has alleged here. I have points. inquired from my esteemed collea gue, Shrimati Ram Dulari Sinha, wto MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER: But bl! happens to come from lJihar. She is also brief. Do not take more time. not aware of any such, proposal of dividing Santhal Pa rganas into thr~e or SHRI DHARMA PAL SINGH four districts and reducing the Adivasi MALIK: The Adilasis have been agi- population to a very small minority. tating for a long time against Don- Certainly, we will have to look into it. Adivasis at both political and noo- I t\\ink. this is not a solution to the political lev'els There is no denying problem. The solution to the problem the fact that Adivasis have been ex- does not merely lie in reducing them to ploited ov~r the centuries both by a minori!y. Actually their socio·econo· non.Adiv;lSis Indi'lIls and outsiders. mic cOllditions have to be improved. The Iharkhand Mukti Morcha has, for There are many welfare schemes meant a long time, been operating as the so- only for them. We have to t~ke called representative of tbe Adivasi specia I care to see Ihat the benefits interests. There is every reason to definitelY reach these people. This is believe that 1he foreign powers are out exactly wbat we are thinking of to destabilise India. They are jealous doing. of our progress. Those foreign powers are behird the Adivasis versus nOIl- There can. be a large number of Adiva~is differences. There are reports incidents which can be quo'ed from of anti-national elements inciting the different areas. I will not be able to Adivasis. Naturally, this is a cause for reply to any of those points. Bu! the great concern for this august House. But fact or the matter st'll remains tbat lhe point is that what our intelligence under some of the Acts ",here alienation agencies aTe doing, After all, tbe attack is prohibited and in spi!e of that if the on the Banjhi village must have been lands are being sold to D('n·AJivasis planned and then I he plan was then i: is the primary responsibility of executed. How is it tbat our intelli- the State Governrrent to see that those gence agencies could not foresee all lands are restored to the Adivasis. We this? I w('uld like to be excused if I will have fo take special care in this say thai our intelligence agencies need respect. I have been given to under- to be very cautious. We have lost our stand th;!t in Bihar they have set up beloved leader and former Prime Minis· monotoring committees at the district ter, Shrimati Indira Gandhi. These project and State Government levels. But agencies begged their share of blame for merely setting up cOfllrnittees is Dot thi$. This House is greatly concerned 213 Ctllllng Atttlltion 10 VAISAKHA 3, 1907 (SAXA) U".", Public 274 Malter of Importance over this type of incidents 9Jbich are proposal of the Government to give developing in Assam and Punjab. It more liberal assistance to the victims would not be surprised if those very of this incident from the Central fundi? powers wbo are operating in Punjab and Assam are also operating actively SHRI S. B. CHAVAN: Sir, I bave among tbe Adivasis. The Adivasis are clarified most of the points which Han. simple folb. 'fhey are innocent though Member has made, excepting perhaps poor and neglected. They have defini- the point OD which the clarification tely been misled by anti-national and bas been sought by the Hon. Member anti.social elements. and tbat is about wbo is this Moti Bhagat and how is it tbat he bas been In the circumstances it is my able to settle the fisbing rights betweelJ humble submission that no time should Adivasis and himself. The fact of tbe be lost to improve the economic, matter, as it has been reported by the social and cultural lot of tbe Adivllsis Bihar Government to us, is that this and otber tribals of this great country tank was leased to Moli Bhagat for 80 that nobody could dare to incite our fishing purposes and traditionally, bretbern in order to jeopardisi the whosoever gets the lease, he uses to integrity of this great nation beaded by allow the traditional rights of the local our dynamic Prime Minister, Shri Rajiv Adivusis for fishing in the tank. But, Gandhi. for the first time, or might be that in this particular case, though this wa~ a Now, the question arises when the traditional right, which had been going Government was already aware of this on for a number of years, Moti Dhagat dispute about the fishing rights between did not allow them to fisb in that pond Adivasis and non·Adivasis, sufficient and that is how tbe whole trouble steps should have been taken to prevent started. Later on, when the offioers this incident. If it was not done, then intervened in tbe matter, they broulht who is responsible for it and what sttpS about the settlement and prevailed upon the Government propose to take against this Moti Dhagat to allow the Adivasis those officers who are responsible for their traditional rigbt of fishing in that this? area. So, this was kind of seettlement wbich was arrived at. I do not think that I need clariry all other points. Secondly, as stated by the Hon. Most or points which the Han. Member Minister, the dispute about fishing bas made, were also raised by other rights was settled between the Adivasis Members and have replied to all those and one Mr. Moti Bhagat. May I I points. know from the Hon. Minister who is tbis Moti Bhagat and wbat right be has got to oppose the ancestral fishing SHRI PIYUS TIRAKY (Alipur. right of Adivasis, and how be has gal duar) : Sir, before I begin, I would like this dispute settled? I would like LO to record my unhappiness. You have know from the Minister whether the' mentioned here that a former M.P. Government machinery was involved in was killed by the police firing but you setting this dispute or not. had not informed the bouse at tbe timo of bis arrest. Earlier, it was doae whenever some M.Ps. were killed or Thirdly, wbat steps the Government they died. Secondly, Sir, you bave to propose to take to safeguard the be very ierious. It is Dot a question ancestral fi8hing right of Adivasis so of State Government alone. The Presi- that no soch incident takes place in dent is looking after the interests of future? the entire triabal areas of tbe country, so, it is the doty of the Home Miilistry And lastly, may I know from fle also to see that wherever the tribal. are Hon. Minister wbether tbere is any harassed, the. Government of ladia '275 Calling Attention to APRIL 23. 1985 Urgent Public 276 Matl.r. of Importance

[Shri Piyus Tiraky] it? Bengal asked for it, Punjab asked for it, Har),ana was divided and a sboUld come forward and see why or number of States were divided according who are tbe people who are harassing to the language tbe people speak in a them potitjeall). economically or other- particular area, If tribals have their wise. The tribals do not want to live own culture, language and tradition and 00 the mercy of the State Governments. common laws and if they want to live We have seen the Assam problem and in India having a separate State, what we have also seen how that problem is wrong in it 7 Do you like bloodshed has spread over a number of otheI places to be there like in Punjab or Assam ? like Mizoram, Nagalaod, Meghalaya. In Assam what is happening? Many etc. They are still fighting for their Assamese are coming to West Bengal politicai rights. The tribals India ia because Bengal is their former State. asking for its political rights. They do It is the same case with Orissa and not like to be ruled by anyone. They Madh)'a Pradesh also. So, it is a just have got their own common laws. They demand. You should not neglect the were very peace-loving people but their voice of the tribal India; otherwise, it culture and everything is being exploi· will be too late for you to get out of ted by all sorts of people going into tbis turmoil. It is tribal blood. Once the tribals areas iD the name of politics they become angry, nobody will be able or otherwise because corruption is to save you. So, be careful about this spreading to all the Departments. So, tribal India and take concrete and before I come to the tribal problem, I sincere steps to go through their would ask the GovarDmeDt whether it demand. You have got the Chota- is serious about their problems, whether nagpur Tenancy Act there. What is it has discussed their problems with it? Please give a copy of it to all the their leaders heee. The leadars are Members of Parliament. Let the Mem- Sibhu Sorong, Suraj Mondal, Krisha bers know what this Chotanagpur Hemrom Anand Toppno and Narayan Tenancy Act SS}S to protect the rights lanka. If they want to have some of the tribals in Chotanagpur area and solution there, are the Government the tribal area so that they willi come ready to sit and discuss with them as to and speak about this h~rc. You have what can be done for Adivasis? They already saij that iill t!:le land which has are working with the political party been taken by non-Adivasis will be there. Are the Government ready to returned. Please ask the Bihar Govern- sit with the Adivasi leaders working in ment to what extent they have taken different political parties in the area? action on that question. If you want to have a permanent settlement there, 'can you tell what they want, what their suffering is and what Jarkhand wants to be a separate they would like to have? They do not State. For that you will say that anti- like to go outside India, they were the n:1tional movement is going on tbere. first persons to come to India, they You do not want to aCcfpt Adiv3iii loved India and they remained in India leadenhip. Wherover an Adivasi leader with otbers, but they will not tolerate comes, you say that he is aD agent of this sort of harassment and corruption Missionaries or he is an anti'natlonal and they do not want to be treated as or he is an extremist. This is tbe situa· second-class citizens. Perhaps you have tion. You still think that Adivasi no~ given information to the House cannot think properlp, they are sub· about the killing of the ex-MP, who human and these people should not be was a Member of tbis House. I know given political rights. If this Is the that because he was an Adivasi. the understand ing of the Goven.ment of House was not informed. India, it will fail on this issue and just now you are seeing that in Punjab tbey Sir, they had a demaftd for a separate are fighting for 3 petty religious thio,. State in that area. What is wrong in But tribals are fighting for tbeir 2" 7 Calling ,fttenlioll to VAlSAKHA 3. 1907 (SAKA) Urgent Public 278 Matter 01 Importance

existence. EYer,.where they are fighting money is being spent in the name of for their el'llatence. So, I warn the their welfare. For whom are you Government aDd specially the Central spending? You never call for any Government and appeal to tbem to see record. How much of this money has that these poor people are not exploited done good to them? You have no an,.where. EveD in the case of services, record of it. You are satisfied that they are treated as second-class crores of ruppees are spent. But adi. citizens. Even in officers cadre, even in vasis do not want your help. They promotion cases also, the Adivasis are want political rights. They want that not there. In Bihar, there are many Adi- they must be able to survive and stand va.li,. How man,. Adivasis are there in on their own legs. They do not want the police and in the administration? your help. They do not want corrupt Cllota Nagpur, Santhlll Pargana. and Government and those corrupt officers Sinahbum are mostly tribal district •• who go there for exploitation. But bow maDy of them are in the .er· vices? I will say nODe. From North Bihar, out.idcn, thole who have no regard for I would now ask the questions. I Adivasi culture. no regard for Adivali have already put some questions. Are language, no ceaard for their way of you serious to git with the leaders? I life come. These people are worse than will tell the names of the leaders also. (he Britishers. They go for exploitation. They send the instructions that the They go for looting the adivasis. They police should kill their leaders and no go for raping the adivasi women. So, leadership should grow. You have be careful about it. This is the first mentioned the names of two or tbree warning bell. 15 people have been leaders also. I will request yoU to sit killed by the police. You have said with those leaders and find an amicable that the quarrel has erupted. Who solution. I will give some names. They others have been killed 7 You have not are Narayan Jonko, Krishna Hemron ; mentioned. Why have the police can· Anand Toppno, Suraj Mondal; and cerned not been arrested or dism issed Sibbu Sorang. They are the noted otherwise? Because it was adivasi; you people and tbe Bihar Governmr.ut bave do not take any action. Had it pointed out that any-how they must be happened in Punjab, Mini8ters would have tilled. They have sent tbe instructions, gone there. Had it happened anywhere <'It is your duty that no tribal leader else you would have had a sleepless whichever party he may belong to, night. It is because they are Adivasis, should be saved. Otberwise, the thing you have nothing to do and you speak will go on the wrong way." So, if you with smooth-tougue. are clear in your mind to fiod the solution, you please sit with these people and sort out the issue and work You blame the missionary. If the out the programme. There is still time. missionary is not there, the tribals If it goes on like tbis, it will go the would have been doomed. You take PUnjab way or tbe Assam way or even Meghalaya. Your Government has been the Tamils way or the Gujarat way. there and it is boasting that it has So, Sir, J repeatedly tell the Hon. recruited a number of tribal people. Minister that he should sit with these Who have done it ? It is the missionarIes leaders wbo arc in a pDsition to sort who have educated these tribals. They out the issue and find a solution. have regard for the tribals language, they have regard for the tribais culture and therefore they have helped the They have asked for the continuance tribals. Your Government should be of their laws and customs. Common more concerned now about the welfare laws of the adivasis should be respected. of tribal people. They should be They have their own laws. Those laws brought on tbe mainstream of the Indian should not be disturbed. You have put national life. No politics should be your OWD panchayat there. That brought in the case of adivasis. Lot of PaDchapat is of corrupt people. Tbe 279 Calling Attention to APRIL 23, 1985 Urgent PubliC 280 Matter of Imporlanee

[Shri Piyus Tiraky] When I talked about consultation with different people in rega·rd to weI· adivasis have no faith at all in your fare schemes meant for the welfare of police and your judiciary. It is because, Adivasis, whosever is prepared to give they have become a purchasable com· us any concrete suggestions· so that the modity. The justiceis being purchased midlemen do not get away with the in our country. How can you hope that money which is being provided for the adivasis can get justice? Your police welfare of Adivasis, if any suggestion can be purchased. Your police tbere can be put forth by any section of and here also are helping only tbose people, we are prepared to welcome who have money and who can pay any suggestion on behalf of dny section them. The police goes to the help of those of society. people who can give them good Khana- Peena. That is why tbe poor Adivasis I am not aware about the names are being harassed and killed. You must which the Hon. Member has put forth. immediately stop that. But we have the Members of Parlia- ment who represent Adivasi consti· The Opposition in Bihar have tuencies. They can definately put demanded tbe dismissal of the Bihar forth their suggestions and we will wel- Government. Bihar is caste-ridden St at e come any suggestion, which they should and they speak on caste lines. Such a be able to put forth in order to see Government should not be auth·orised that full benefit reaches Adivasis. to rule Bihar. Ours is a democracy We do not speak on caste lines or religious SHRI PRIUS TIRAKY; You have lines. If the voting system in Bihar is mentioned in your reply that certain on caste lines, if it still exists and it is 'Mukti Morcha is leading there and you going on like tbat, the Government is have given the reply. My request IS that not worth its name to rule Bihar. And you call them and you find out what that sbould be dismissed immediately. difficulties they have get.

SHRI S. B. CHA V AN: Only two SHRI S. D. CHA VAN: My collea· points I would like to clarify. The first gue. Shrirnati Ram Dulari Sinha, is is about the information which is sup· going to that area. She will also be posed to be given about the ex·M.P. accompanied by some of the officers. who bas died. I will maYielf find out if She will certainly try to find out who tbe Home Ministry is supplying the are the pepole with whom she must information about all the MPs and, if have negotiations in tbis matter. She so, why it is that in the case of an will definitely go and (our that an;a and Adivasi ex-MP this kind of a dicrimi- have the first-hand information. nation has been done. I do [lot think Thele were the only points which this is going to be correct. But still tbought I shouid clarify. unless I check it up, it will not be possible (or me to saying anything PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : positive on this matter. What about the demand of the dismissal of the Government of Bihar? The second question is about asking the Bihar Government to find out as to SHRI PIYUS TIRAKY: What how far tbey have been able to imple- about the lharkband demand? ment the law in restoring tbe land to Adivasis which normally tbey were not SHRI S. B. CHAVAN: I do not· supposed to pass on to Don-Adivasis. If think it has any relevance with the nOD.Adivasis have purchased the land Calling Attention Notice. in spite of the fact that there is a br.n SHRI PIYUS TIRAK Y: It is rele- on alienation of this land and if they vant because the trouble is coming out bave taken a dicision to restore the land, of tbat. we will certainly look into it as to that progress they have made in tbis matter. 281 Malle's Under VAISAKHA 3; 1907 (SAKA) Matters Under 282 Rule 377 Rule 377

13.38 brs. to Orissa border near Kharion Road Railway Stat ion connecting BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE National Highway No.6 at Raipur iuM.P. [English] Sixtb Report SHRI JAGANNATH PATTNAIK (Kalahandil: Sir, Development of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN infrastructure facilities such as roads, THE MINISTRY OF PARLIA- railways and perts is an essential pre- MENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI GULAM requisite for the development of tbe NABI AZAD): I beg to move: mineral and forest resources of Orissa. The West-Central region of the State comprIsIng the districts of Phulbani. "That this House do agree with Kalahandi, x.oraput and Western por- the Sixth Report of the Business tion of Ganjam district, inhabited Advisory Committee presented to mainly by tribals and having rich the House on the 22nd April, potential of mineral resources and 1985, subject to the modification forest products, is deprived of the bene· that in paragraph 3, line 3 of the fit of a National Higbway and the eco- report, for the words "Friday the 26 nomic advantages. April, 1985" tbe words "Monday the 29 April, 1985, bz 5ubstituted." With a view to bring this tribal belt for social and economic upliftment, That is the Mini&ter of State in the Governm()nt of Orissa proposed io Ministry of External Affairs will make 1983, formation of a new N.H. from a statement on Sri Lanka on 2-)th to be Gopalpur to Ori~sa border near Kbarion f.. Howed by discussion instead of on Road Railway Slation whicl, will cooneci 26th. N.H. () at Raipur entering Madhya Pradesb. Government of India should MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER; Tbe take favourable decision in tbis regard. question is :

"That this House do agree with (Translation] the Sixth Report of the Business (ii) Demand for construction of a rail Advisory Committe:! presented to bridge over tbe river Saryu and to th~ House on the 22nd April, J985. convert tbe Manakpur-Allababad subject to the modification that in rail line into a maio li~e. paragraph 3, line 3 of the report for the word "Friday tbe 26 April, SHRI NIRMAL KHATRI (Faiza- 1985" the words "Monday the bad): Mr. Deputy.Speaker, Sir, I 29th April, 198)" be substituted!' would like 10 draw your attention towards railway facilities in the Faizabad Tt.e motion was adopted. area. No major improvement in the railway facilities has been made in that MR, DEPUTY-SPEAKER: So, the area during the last fifty years. In Report is adopted, as amended. view of the demand of the people of the "rea as also for the development of the area, it is necessary tbat a railway 13.42 brs. bridge should be constructed over Saryu river (Ghaghra) in Ayodhya in order to MATTERS UNDER RULE 377 connect the same with Katra 8tation of North Eastern Railway. Mankapur· [English] Allahabad railway line V1a Ayodhya, Faizabad, Suitanpur and Pratapgarh (i) Ned;) for contribution of a new National Highway from Gopalpur should be converted into tbe main line 283 MaIlers Under APRiL 23, 1985 Matters Under 284 Rule 377 Rule 377

ture lands for the railway track. But tl;e proceedings need to be expedited· so that this area could be connected and construction work should imme- with otber parts of the country. In diately start f,om Alwar town, this way. ODrakbpur and North Bihar would bave a direct Iio" with South I, thererore, urge upon the Minister Jndia and it would also help In tbe of Railways, Government of India development of this backward area. that construction work should start immediately and it sbould start from I would request Oovernment that Alwar towo. keeping in view tbe religious importance of A,odbya and witb a view to provide (h-) Need to launcb n special drive to facilities to tbe pilgrims and the clear all pending cases for sanction toarista. thi! work may be undertaken. of pension to certain waiting free- Besides, an Express train should also dom figbter. be run between Ayodhya and Prayag. which are places of pilgrimage. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA. SHAR (Hamirpur): Sir, A large num. [Elrglisll} ber of freedom fighters/ex-INA person' (iii) Need to start the proposed cons- uel who are in their old age are still truction of Matbura-Alwar Railway waiting for tbe sanction of the Freedom line immediately and from tbe Filbters pension to tbem. Many of A I"ar to"n. tbem are noaring the Point of death. It is, therefore, eSllential thl!.t the Union Government launches a special SHRI RAM SINGH Y ADA V drive to clear all cases for the sanction (Alwar): Sir, Matbura-Alwar (B.O. of this pension !:ond ensure that appli- 119.1S RM) new railway line has been cations pending 00 flimsy groundsJ approved and inaugurated by the for· objecctions/verifications are disposed of mer Minilter of Railway •. quic"I,. Total cost of tbe project was c.li· mated at RI. 34. U crores approxi- I request tbe Union Home Minister mate l,. Inaugural function was per- to launch tbis drive immediately. formed of village Ramgarb and founda· tion stone was laid by tbe Railway (v) Need to set up a fishing barbour at Minister. Financial allocation of Rs. Paradeep witbout furlher delay one lakb was provided in tbe Railway Supplementary Budget, J 983-84. SHRIMATI JAY ANTI PATNAIK Indian Railways Year Book. 1983·84 (Cuttack): Tbe proposal for establish- has also specifically mentioned tbat ment of a modem fishing b"rboUr:1I Mathura-Alwar (B.O. 119.75 KM) new Paradeep waa iuitiated in 1972. The railway line bas been approved and Governmont of Orissa had pursued th is construction work inaugurated. matter at the level of Union Ministers at different periods. The Programme In tbe Railway Budget. 1985·86 an Evaluation Organisation of the Planning allocalion of Rs. 1,31,84,000/- bas Commission bas submitted the report been made for construction of Mathura- in favour of the construction of a fish- Alwar (B.O. 119.75) new railway I;oe. ing barbour at Paradeep Port. Agricultural lands of villages of Alwar and Ramgarh Teb5ils are being acquired The estimates on development of for cODstruction of this railway line. fishing barbour a1 Paradeep Port were Land Acquisition Officer, Government of prcp.ued and sent to the Government Rajasthan, 'aipur bas already initiated of India about nine years baGk. The proceedings for acquisition of agricul- former UnioD Minister of Agriculture 285 Mailers U"der VAISAKHA 3, 1907 (SAKAJ Matte" Under 286 Rule 377 Rule 377 bad given an assurance 00 the floor of Hence. I request our beloved Hon. tbe House to take up the project. But Prime Minister. Shri Rajiv Gandhi, to it is regrettable tbat the proposal has ~ake Ib~ following action immediately not been. implemented 50 far. 10 the Interest or developinll a better socialistic pattern of society for our country on tbe lines of what Jagajyotbi The estimate for Paradeep fishing Basaveswara had tbought of : barbour has been updated feom time to time. At pr"sent about SOO boats are operating in Paradeep area and these (1) His birthday should be observ- boats are being accommodated tempo- ed as a national holiday to rarily at wooden jetties io a very limi- perpetuate his preachings to ted space inside tlle turning basin of create a more healthy society. main harbour without any facility. In the absence of hing harbour facility, fi (2) His statue should be installed the bOfits are creal ing problems for tbe in front of the Parliament Port Authority. It is, therefore, abso- House to provide inspiration to lutely necessary that a fishing barbour one and all from his preachings is set up at Paradeep without any fur- and actions. ther delay. I request the concerned Ministers to take necessary steps in this regard. (3) All his writings, togetber with the writings of otber great men (vi) Need to declare birthday of Jaga- jyothi Basaveswara a national holi- an~ women con~emporaries; day rod instal his statue in front of which are new 10 Kannada Parliament Honse laogua~e, sbould be translated into all the national and SHRI G S. BAS AVA RAJ (Tumkur): world languages and published Sir, in the 12th Century, on the aus- all I\ver the world to create PICIOUS day of Vyshaka Akshaya an atmo~pbere ror every Thadige, which falls this day, the great buman being of this world Jagajyothi Basaveswara, toe socio-eco· to live as one and feel nomic reformer of this country was as one. born in Karoataka. UDder his leadership, he tried to unite (he whole nation (4) His birth place and places of as one. He was the greatest social, preachings and the places of political, economic aDd philosophical pract ices are all to be declared reformer. He did this in a more effec- a'! ancient monuments of our tive manner than Karl Marx. He country and thus protected to created a caltelells and classless society inspire the minds of tbe pre- in those days. His preachings and lyrics sent and future generations. deserve to be followed. He was the first man to organise a Parliament, called as 'Anubhal'amantap' wherein (vii) Need to allocate more railway ever,,! person was free to take part in tbe wagons for movement of Steel debate. He was responsible for the materials to Coimbalore daily union of tho upper and lower c'asses into one society, irrespective of pro- SHRI N. SOUNDARARAJAN fession, status, wealth. etc. In addi- (Sivaka5bi): Sir, there are about 400 tion, he arranged for marriages between foundril"s in Coimbatore district in the upper and lower classes. As Prime Tamil Nadu. All these foundries are Minister of State, he was a great ad- on the verge of closure due to non· minist! ation and he waS also simple and availability of pig iron, a raw material, bumble. He made the people work, throwing tbousands of workers out of eam and eat, i.e., "Work is Worsbip'~ jobs at present in Coimbatore. (Ko),okave Kylasa) , 287 Matter Under APRIL 23. 1985 M(J"~r UnMr 28' Rille 377 RIde 377 [Shri S. Soundararajan] Archaeology. I urge thl! Education Minister to direct the DepartmeDt of Evory month foundries are in need Arcbaeology to take over these tem- of J.OOO tons of pig iron. For the ples under its protective wings imme- past few months, pig iron is not avail· diately and preservt'! them for posterity. able in full quantity. The officials of Steel Authority of India in Madras and (ix) Need to arrange adequate supply Coimbatore have been saying that the shortages of pig iron in these foundries of diesal to Gorakbpur district for are due to nOD·availability of wagons tb II> use of agriculturalists for transport. SHRI MAHABIR PRASAD (Bans- So, I urge upon the Hon. Railway gaon): Mr. Deputy· Speaker, Sir, I Minister to allocate adequate wagons would like to raise the following daily to the steel pJant for movement matter under rule 377. of steel materials to Coimbatore on a war footing. Sir. through you, [ would I ike to draw the attention of the Centra I [Trall.liatlon] Government towards the scarcity of (viii) Need to direct tbe Archaeology diesel in District Gorakhpur. Thresh- Department to take oVl'r Sbanti· ing of wheat is in full swir g and there grama troubles in Hassan district is acute shortage of diesel in tbe entire of Karnataka district of Gorakhpur and the east em region. The farmers are suffering a lot on this account. Nature is also *DR. V. VENKATESH (Kolar): not favourable to the farmers this time, Tbe village Sh:mtigrama in Hass

~ Tbe speech wa S ori,inally delivered in Kannada. 289 Demand for Grants VAISAKHA 3. 1907 (SAKfJ) (Genera/) 1985·86 290 -Contd. 13,32 brs. put up on the Notice Board shortly. DEMANDS FOR GRANTS In case any member finds any discre- (GENERAL) 1985-86 pancy in the list he may kindly bring it -CONTD. to the notice of the Officer at the 'fa-ble without delay. [English] Ministry of Communications Motion moved:

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The "That the respective sums DO House will now t~ke up dl~c.uss:on and exceeding the -amounts on Revenue voting on Demand N,ls. 14 to 17 relat- Account and CapiTal Account shown ing to the Ministry of Communications in the r, U[ til cO:Un1n of the Order for which 4 hours ila \'~ been aJ lotted. Paper be granted to the PrcsiJent Hon, Members pre5cnt in !hl! House our d the ConsoJida:ed Fund of India I() compi<.:k the sums neccs· whose cut motions II' the D~nWD.js for sury to ddray the ch,Hges that wtll Grants have been circulated m"y, if comt: IiI course uf paycDt:nt during they desire to move thclr .::u! motlUos, the' year ending 31st day of March, send slips to the Table withm J 5 minu· J ',86 m rc,po.;;::i of the heads of tes indi..:ating the seriul numbr IS d the Demand" en:t:reJ in the second cut motions they would like tu move. column thaeof ag:l inst D.'mand Nos. J.. 10 17 rtLting (0 the A list sh~'wing the sericll j·umov.p; of Mmistry of Communicatior.~." cut motions treated as mo' cd wdl be 291 Demanrs for Grants APRIL 23, 1985 (General) 1985-86' 292 -Conld.

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER Now, In addition to tbis there is a long Dr. O. Vijaya Rama Rao. standing problem of inefficient quality of services for the already existing tele- DR. O. VIJAYA RAMA RAO phone network. Most of the telephones (Siddipet ): I thank you very much are eitber out of order or faulty for for giving me this opportunilY to place most of tbe time. We have a big army before the House some important of telecommunication engineers in our aspects relating to the development of country to manage the network but telecommunications. they are Dot clear about the problem and defects of the existing network and, as such, they are not setting in right. We have completed ODr Sixth P~an and entered the Seveoth Plan. It is, Sir, we are giving consultancy ser- therefore, a ppropriattl for us to h:we aD vice to developing countries. We are objec~ive assessment of the achieve· planning to adopt the latest electronics ments and failures of the Sixth Plan system. Science and technology bas against the targets set at the beginning developed so much tbat mao could land of the Sixth Plan. Such an evalu(ltion on the moon but we are not able to will help in identifying our gaDS and rectify the defects in tbe telephone oet. limitations. Accordingly a more work and we are unable to provide rigorous and rationa! policy has to be effective telephone services io rural adopted to deal with tbe situntion. areas even after so many years. For example in my constituency, Jeedimatla. Tbe subscribers for telephones are which is a big industrial estate in India growing every day. According to a and ranking fourtb place in Asia there recent study all Iodia demand for tele· we have got a manual exchange. Wheo- phones is piOjected to be growing from ever we lift tbe phone, before getting a 24 lakhs uELs in 1980 to 55 lakhs in response from toe telephone exchange 19~5 and somewhere around 81 lakhs somebody will ask us some otber num- DELs in 1990. ber or we will hear some other conver. sation. Not only this but from Delhi Agaimt this fast growth of demand also 1 had tried to contact my place the supply of telephones is not picking several times in the morning and even- up satisfactorily. ing hours but even after fifteen days of trying I could not get contact. AI. though we are having telephone COD- Thus there is 'u wide gap between tracts wi; h Capitals of some foreign the demand for and the supply of tele- countries yet in India we are oot able phones in our country. Sir, communi- to contact some of our cities aod catiull services are so import an! for the villages. The problem whicb I have development of quality of life of tbe mentioned is not Iimit~d to my consti- mankind for the nation as a whole. tuency out is there in almost all rural When your communication is effective segments and also in the cities some of you can save your time, your energy tbe people ace facing this probkm. and can speed UP your activities within no time. What is the m.lin cause for it? Most of tb.., staff workillg with the I draw (i,e atlention of the House Telephone department at field level are to the need to concentrate on tbe pro- daily wage \Voners and they are Ud- blem of this increasing gap when~ver ~kil)ed workers als·). So, the sophisti- the Ministry is asked to explain the cated network is being mishandled or problem, they come forward with the damaged by non-technical and untrained plea that tbey do not have enough people. financial resources for expanding tbe network and do not accept their ineffi· Another important feature is that ciency and irregularities. 80-90 per cent of the telecommunica. 295 Demands for Gra"ts APRIL 23; \985 (General) 1985-86 296 -Contd.

[Dr. Vijaya Rama Rao] are not depending upon the sincerity of the telephone system or the efficiency tion facilities are confined to the urban of the telephone system. areas whereas 80 per cent of our population lives in villages. They are hav- We give telegl ams. When does the ing a number of emergency probfems telegram reach the person concerned? like fire accidents, cyclones, floods, etc. It reaches the person concerned after but this communication facility is not maoy weeks. What about letters? available to them with the result (hey LeIters reach afler a month or afler two face lot of difficulties. I request the months What about parcels? You Government to extend the telecommuni- get the ~larcel cover only but the article cation system to rural areas so that the inside is missing. This is the picture backbone of our country could make of the entire system. Can we not do use of this facility to some extent. something to improve the system?

In post Independence year the ser- With these words, I n:quest the vice oriented professional people like Hon. Minister to look into the sugges- doctors, lawyers and social workers tions which I have made and lake used to get a telephone within a few immediate action wherever necessary. days after applying. Thankyou.

14.00 brs. SHRI NARAIN CHOUBEY (Midna- pur); I beg to move: But, nowadays, after 37 years of independence, our people are not able ~ to manage even the transfer of tele- "That th Dema·-.d under the phones when people change their resi- Head Postal Services be reduce:! by Rs. 100." . dences. This is the condition which we are facing now. [Need to open tbe post office at In Parliament it was declared two Goh:bazar. Kharagpur, West Bt:nga J years ago that every subscriber of every sanctioned more than 3 ycars back telephone, every telephone user, v.ill be and for which the Railways have issued with a Telephone Service Card. allotted a suitable pIOL] (6) But nothing has come out of it. You may be aware tbat in U.K. they cbange "That the Dcmlnd under the nothing as rent. But here what happens He'ld Postal Scrvi..:~s bl.: reduced by is even when your telephone. is not Rs. 100." working,. you are asked to pay mappro- priate bills. You get inappropriate [Need to improve the telephone bills and you have to pay the money services in country.] although your telephone is not the (10) working at all. This is a thing which is happening. Instead of paying tbem "That the D.:rnand under the for their efficient wOI:k, we are paying Head Ministry of Cvmmunicalions them for the inefficient work of the tele- be reduced by Rs. 100." phone system.

rNeed to hold the meetings of the We also find that number of high Office Counci staff side) regu- officials and Ministers are having 3 or 4 1oeM larly on quarterly h.1Sis (13) phones in their offices or in th~i~ .resi- 1 dences. I don't think tbat an JdlVl~Ual can use 3 or 4 phones at the same tIme. "That the Demand unJer the So it is not known why they use 3 or 4 Head Ministry of Communications phones. Probably it is because they be reduced by R~. 100." 297 DemlJlld for Grants VAISAKHA 3, 1907 (SAKA)

[Need to pay quantity to the ment, because of the ban jrnposed by canteen employees.] (29) the Ministry of Finance. I would plead with the Minister of State for Communi- MR. DEPUTY-SPE"Kf'R: Th~' cations to use his good offices with the cut motions also arc befo:-e the 1I(IU;\J. Mioistay of Finance, with the Prime Minister and with the Planning Com- PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA- mission and all other high· ups to decide SHAR (Hamirpur): I risc to support and ~cttle these things once for all. the De'Dands for Grall'~ presenl!..d to They should implcr.aent these things in tbis House by tb..: Hon. Minister of a manner in which w.; of len declare our Stale for Communications for 19l!S·86. intention of serving the rural people.

The Report under review have been Sir, it p:.lsses one's imagination as to clubbed together for the years 1983-84, how it is more important to laU:lch a 1984·85 and the Demands arc for TV tow~r in this count[y than to open 1985-86. simply a branch post office or to oneo a tel~phone (xch:lllge. The result of the Tbe report is no doubt a good ducu· ban h]s been v.:ry dishearte~in:;; and I ment, giving some uf the aChit:v. menls may po int cut to you that even in tbe and highlighting some of the difficulties. Cdse of those people who have been given tr<.lining, tbere have beeD no arpointments made. For more than One important a,pe~t of the func- ('ne year DOW, this ban has stultified tianing of tbe postal ~t:ctor . i~ the opell- the growth of postal network and te!e- ing of branch Pl)~t om~cs. The op.:ning cJrnmunic,\loll work and caused of 61 branch pOH olli.;es ill (Inc year is deterioration in the fu"ctioning of the the lowest number fur allY ye.tr ~illce department. Whereas in the rural areas, our independence. formerly th'~re was one line man for one telephone exch,mge and now However, it is not the D\!p.1l tmt.:ut b~cause of the ba:1, perhaps two or which IS to be blamed f

[Prof. Narain Chand Parashar] looked into and l plead with the Hon. Minister that he should see at least letter would reach some of his rdatives, tbere should be no inconvenience or though losses are incurred by the bardship caused tJ th'! poor workers Postal Department as many liocial who have bee:. g ',;!fl trajoling in the burdens are put on tbis department. So, hope of getting t;;,np 1oyment and they while I would cor.gratul:lte the Han. sbould remain employed even on a Minister for his bifurcation, I would temporary basis or no daily wiJges basis. also plead with him that the activities and the output should be doubled In both the wings because it was keeping Similarly. I would also plead for the in view the effiiciency that the Sarin revision of the norms for the creation of Committee recommended the bifurcation post3.1 divisions and sub· divisions. It is of tbe Department and it was also because \h;~se norms for bifurcating thought that the espansion should be on divisi08s and sub-divisions are based on the higher side. the basis of tbe workload; but the present norms are very old, some,hing Sir, some sorting sectiuns were of a colonial nature, :hDugh it has been abolis"cd and transit sections were lL should be ensured that for some introduced in a phased manner. The .lreas like the hilly areas, dc,cn areas, then Communication Minister had ill· Jammu and Kashmir, Him:lcbal and formed us-some of the Hon. Members Rajasthan, new norms should have to who were interested in the working of be adopted because the workload ,done tbe Ministry of Communications-that has not to be taken into account. a review WJU d b~ conducted to find These hilly areas, some far-flung areas, out whether thl! abolition of sorting may not be able to produce that sections in the funning trains and the amount of workload wh ich would introduction of tonsist sections in the require thl! cr:;'1\ io~ of a postal division. stationary places had actually resulted Therefor"" the idt:a should be service- in faster deiivery of dak or elimination oriented, and efficiency-oriented. II has of delay. I do not find anything of to be aituned in such a way that in that natur.;, No fi~vi..::w, I hop~, has some caseS at some point of time the been conduJted and I would plead that workl01d bas to be adjusted. In our before other n:maiDing sections Statc, for exempie, or some tbree or are abolisJed, some revitw would four neighbouring States, wha t happens have to be Uildertalcen as to find is that in one postal disricts where a out whether as a result of operational Postal SuperintendC'ot is there, he may monoeuvres, a mall ill the street bas not have a j ~l.p or a vehIcle to go benefited iD any way or not. If he is around, if bi, whicl.: goes out of order not benefited at all, we: should reconsi- 01' it is destroyed in some accident. For der the whole process and revert to years together it may Dot be replaced the old system. Formerly dak used to aDd there may be so many far·flung be delivered quickly. Now, I find that areas to be visited in tbe St.-,te and it bas been delayed. Whether my your Postal Superintend en. may have observation is Cllrrecr or not, I leave it to travel in do JUS .. od he m,lY nul be to the department to judge. But any· able to d,) much supervision. The re~ult how it is to b~ ensurcd that any new is lack of supervision, lack of effidcncy, arrangement which is introduced does and therefore adoptioiJ or proper nurms Dot result in l; isloca tion at various fN the creation ,mu bifufcatiJn or points bu t result in bel ter efficiency and postal diVisions and head post offices the speedy delivery of m<.lils. I[ it does is a must for hill areas. not do well, then there is something inherent ly wrong. As a result of tbis, After so much of experience we some of the people wbo were employed should have been able to revise and on it temporary basis or on an ad hoc d~velop our own new norms consistent basis have DOl been absorbed perma- with our geography and the condit ions nently. So, their cases have to be 301 Demand for Grants V AISAKHA 3 1907 (SAKA) (General) 1985·86 302 -Contd. prevailing in our country. We should Ministership for the sake of retaining it have revised the old norms which were as one eDlity based on linguistic basis. devised by the British people. The Therefore, he earned the title, Builder beauty of England is that no part of of Himachal Pradesb. England is more than 70 miles away from the sea. But in a country of There are many other good tbings Indi

[Prof. Narain Chand Parashar] According to one estimate, only ? % of the telephones are available for step. In case of Branch Postmasters the rural p.Hts of our country, and who are able to show income aod 93% are available for the cities. This earnings, revenue surplus, you should can be verifh:d from this' Report also. be able to link their initiative, and bless On pages 58 and 59, there are two them with some incentives in their pay Tables-Table 11 and Table 11 packets etc., so that this system flou- (Continued). In Table 1 I, it is ShOWD rishes. In the countryside, there are that in all the fe:ecom. Circles, we have more than one lakb of these branch as many as 12, t 1,264 direct exchange po&t·offiees ; aod there fate hangs in the lines whereas in the 31 Districts which 'balance because the EDDA staff or the are cities, we have 14,55,726, So, the ED staff as it is callkd, gets a very number of telephones in 31 Districts is paltry sum, And they have DO larger than the number of telephones in llIonoeuvrabiJity. If they eam mort, the rest of the country taken together, you do not pay them more. If they which shows an inherent distortion. produce a loss, you don't punish them. The result is that they are languishing, The most importent thing in this is and one way of ensuring their that telccommuni·;;ations development in upgradation or promotion, would be rural areas requires larger funding. I tbat there. activities or caplbilities as want to p:ead for increased investment Postmasters are linked. to their perfor- in the Telecom. sector. In our country, manCe and revenue-earning capacity. 1.2% of the g~O&S fixed capital formation has be~n invested in the te-Ie- communication sector, whereas the The most important sector in tho average for 10 selected developed and Minislry of CommunicatIons is the developing countries has been 3.52 per Telecom sector, beeuase it is the sector cent. This is a big figure and our of the future. Now, every village looks country is felr below III this investment. to faster communicat ion, and looks for Only in the 5th Five Year Plan, Tele- a telephone. The Department is to be communications got justice at the hands congratulated for having contacted the of the Planning Commission and the Counei I of Applied Economic Research investment wa'S made three times. Now, for dividing the whole country into the Department has proposed an outlay hexagons of a radius of five Kms. each, of Rs. 12,500 crores for investment in so that nobody has to walk morc than the 7th Five Year Plan; and unless five miles to get contact with a public tbis is done, it is not possible to give telephone, or a public call office, what. telephone to everybody or telephone ever you call it. Now, this is a huge within a reasonable distance. I would exercise, and it has to be done plead with the Planning . Commission efficiently; and the blue· print is raddy. and with the Prime Minister and the But where are the funds? They have Government of India to look 10 the developed a system al~o, called MARRS vital sector of Communications and or Multi·Access Rural Radio System, Telecommunications because it is mucb whereby one public call office would be more important to allow people to raise able to link a village with the nearest their voice, to communicate their exchango, all that. But this has not demands to the Governme'nls at tbe made headway, and we are very poor State Capitals and the Union Capital. in the advance of telephones, which is It is not so easy for them to do so. evident ~rom tbe fact that while in Whereas we are spending much cn developed countries, tbe number of everything else, we must think of this telephones per thousand people is 900 thing and we can have maoy new and above, our poor country it is some- schemes; we can give telephone to the thing like three. And most of the tele- villages and these hexagon schemes can phones in India are concentrated in the be successful; ooly tbe level of invest. cities. ment has to be raised. So, let tho 305 DmtlI1lll/(Jf' GrQIJ/s VAISAKHA J; 1909 (SAZA) (GMUM) 1985.86 3D6 -Contd. plea of telecom. sac tor for increase in I have b ••e mcctio,J til Hon. MIDla- their ailocation and investment be ter very often and for tbo laat one or accepted; and whereas in the 6th Plan two months perhaps I am lunaloa him. period, we had invested only Re. 2,300 I went to tbe Finance Minister. Wbat crores, the demand for Rs. 12,500 is the use of your target 01 opening crores should be considered; alid that 12,000 post offices wheo in the last 8-9 alone can give voice and mejesty to the months you have not opened even ooe people who are living in tbe rural post office because JOu have not lifted India. With these worda, I commend the ban on the creation 01 new posts? the good work done by the Postal and I do not understaod thi.. First, you Telecommunicatons in the M ioistry. have to declare t~day when you answer I congratulate the two Secretaries and to these demands that tbe ban is lifted· the Hon. Minister. I look forward to so that new post offices caD be opened the hope tbat by the end of tbe 7th from tomorrow onwards. I think this Five Year Plan, by 1990, as they Ilave is a general demand of tbe House; and promised, there would be telepho1e I hope that this will be accepted. So. within every 5 kro for everybody to first, this ban should be lifted so that reach and at least a Branch Post-office in we can open UP new post offices. Now. every Panchayat Village. even sub·post offices you caonot OP!DD because the ban is there. Generally, 14.22 bre. opening up of branch post oilbes and [SHRI ZAINUL BASHER in the sub-post offices are developmental Chair] works; we can CODsider tbem as developmental works; it i& not a kind SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI of any financial burden about which we (Bhubeneswar): In view of constraint are considering. Therefore, first we on resources and the money that tbe must hear this announcement toda,. Planning Commission is a Hatting to that this ban is lifted. When tbese sectors, whatever achievements I was looking at tbe all India have been made, I think, we should figures. I fouad that whatever achieve- congratulate the Department and tile ments that have been made 80 far as Minister for tbe achievements thllt bave Orissa is conceroed~ were very meagre. been made in these two sectors. You will be surprised to see tbe figures. I am giv ing only tbree instances just to Today, I want to confine myself bring it to the notice of the Hon. Minis- only to some of tbe problems that my ter and the Department concerned. In State Orissa is facing so far as Postal Andhra Pradesh till 1983·84, tbe and Telecommunications activities are Dumber of branch post offices opened concerned. I find in the Report tbat the were 16,403; Bihar-lO,870; and in Postal D~partment has p.-oposed, to Orr19sa-7,536. Now let us come to open 12,000 new post offices in the 7th the Dumber of P.C.O s. Andhra Plan; and they have also decided to Pradesh-l,048; Bihar-2&S6; and construct 1,600 post office buildings, Orissa -634.·· About telephone eK- 100 RMS buildings, 75 administrative chaDges in Andhra Pradeah, the number office buildings and 2S postal stock Is 1,639, in Madh,a Pradesb it ia depots and alio to appoint 4000 extra ] ,013 and In Orilsa It il onl, 245. departmental delivery agents for man- Same is the case with tele8raph officos ning these rural branch post offices. and otber posts and telegrapbs facilitios. These are very good targets they have fixed. But if we go through the targets they have fixed and the achievements Bhubaneswar ja the capita) city ot made during the 6th Plan, we will find Orissa. Old Town Bbubaoeswar, thac shortfall in many directions I hope in is tbe orisinal city of Orilsa, wherf the 7th Plan. we shall try to improve this Dew capital was constructed when upon them so that whatever targets we Pandit Nehru came and laid the foanda- fix we acbive tbose tarsets tion, is a huse area. The post office 307 Demands lor Gra12ts APRIL 23, 1985 (General) 1985·86 308 -Contd. [Shri Chintamani Panigrahi] there, which has been serving a large have got staff quarters in Bhubaneswar number of people, is no longer itself. Even from 1951 onwards, the functioning as a telegraph office. It is developments I have seen are negligible. near to my residence in my Recently, five to seven days back, 1 cOQstituency. If you want to send a visited the· P & T colony. I t is telegram from here. that message has to summer and there is acute shortage of be transrnited to the Head Post Office drinking water. But when it comes to in the Secretariat area and then only the payment of bills, I find that the the telegram can be sent. It is rea By PMO pays the bills full. They are not wonderful Why should it be done so 'l getting the water in the required I have asked the Department again and quantities. Still. the entire bill has to again. Why cannot you make old be paid. The employees have written town Post office as a telegraph office to the PMG, to the highest quarters and which was already functioning like to everybody. But what is happening? that previously? All those employees, their children and wives. they have to go to other's quarters to bring water to satisfy their I must bring to t he notice of the needs. I told the Hon. Minister about Hon. Minister that our Prime Minister this problem. I gave it in writing also Rajiv Oandhi has given a call to this that it should be immediately trken up country-"Iet us go forward to the 21st with the State Government. 700 Century." For that purpose. we have tamllies are living there. Why should to develop our communications system they suffer like this? Why not direct with the highest technology tbat is Supply of drinking water be en8ur~d to available in this world. With this the P & T colony. present system of communication facilities can this country ever expect to lead itself to the 21st Century? I ask Now, I wonld like to refer to staff the Hon. Minister what can be achieved quarters. You have bifurcated Posts with this kind of obsolete instruments. and Telecommunications now and they Moreover, the Department cannot even are sf'parate. About the staff quarters. make a decision and make up its mind the Ali India average is given as 10.5, as to what instruments and which so far as postal side is concerned and system it is going to build for this on telecommunications side. it is 6.7. country. They are trying to visit every If you see the number of residential country. Sometimes, some decision is accommodation provided to tele- taken and then again it is reversed. If communkation employees throughout we think and act in this manner, how the counlry you will find how much can we ·Iead this country to %1st neglected Orissa is even in tbis sector. century? As a result of this we are The figures are like this: In 1981-82 running our telecommunication services Andhra-lll1; Bihar 663; M.P. with milled up equipments. We 1474; Maharashtra 2655; Rajsthan have to be about the instruemeots 674 ; Tamilnadu 1053 and Orissa 480. and tbe type of system that we are going to adopt to improve the tele- Similar is the case with postal staff. commnnications system, so that our Here the figures for 1980.81 are: country looks like a modern country Karna taka 61. Kerla 91 and Orissa 4. and we can compete with other advanced countries in the sphere of telecommuni- If you see all these things, you will cations and all tbose things. get an impression as if there are friends there who do not want to see Now, I come to another very that Orissa progresses in the field of important and specific question about telecommunication. Therefore, 1 would my State. I do Dot know really where submit that there was a proposal before to begin and how to express my coo. the Department that where sufficieot cero. After loog years of effort, we number of staff quarters could not be 309 De11lflllll for Grants V AISAKHA 3~ 1907 (SAKA) (General) 198$·86 -310 -Contd. provided~ at least there should be that they are giving house building loan bachelor's hostel accommodation. Sucb to the employees so that they can build a proposal was there for Bbubaneswar. their houses. But Rs. 7 lakhs out of But mooey is not being released for Rs. 13.S lakhs are going to be surren- that~ dered by the General Manager, Tele- communications Circle in Orissa under What about re.structuring the this head. The applications are lying cadres in the Department? After loog there but they do not want to give this years of struggle they got one pro· loan. An amount of Dearly Rs. 20 motion, ,during a service period of 25 I akbs under capital bead is being years. Why oot give them a second surrendered. Therefore, no Dew pos· promotion also? tal building is coming up in Orissa. In Cuttack for the last 1 S year! there has There are more than 3 lath extra· not been a single staff quarter cons- departmental employees, who are truct:d. When it comes to percentage getting a monthly allowance of Rs. of staff quarters, Cuttack's precentage 211. I moved a resolution in 1957 comes to 1.~ as compared to other for enbaneemcnt of their .moluments. places. An amount of Ra. , lakhs has Then it was raired from R.I. 25 to Rs. been surrendered from construction of SO. It has now been reYised to Rs. office buildings. You bave taken up 271. I would request the Minister to the programme for construction of look into their service conditions. You office buildings. But the money is being have appointed Savoor Committee to surrendered by Orissa Circle. lool( into their conditions. Why do These are some of the major prob· you not expedite its report? lems of my Circle which I liked to bring to the notice of the Hon. Minis- I have been pr essing for the last so ter. Both in posts and in telegraphs, many years to declare Bhubneswar, the Orissa Circle is oot getting the which is the capital of the State, as a treatment that it deserves. When Orissa B-2 city. It is is a city of pilgrims. is developing in many directions, the Thousands of pilgrims come there. After postal and telecommunication facilities long years of effort it was declared as a should also deveiop commensurately. city in 1971. After 1981 census I have The two departments-Postal and Tele- been requsting the Government to raise communications-have been bifurcated it to B-2 class city. The Finance and the surplus in the Telecommuni- Minister says that unless there is a cations Department is perhaps more four !nkh population, this cannot be than Rs. 300 crores whereas io Postal upgraded to B·2 class city. The Third Department there is a deficit of Rs. Pay Commission has recommended 183 crores. The Minister might ask bow tbat if in any city the population may with this deficit, he can do it. You not be four lath but there is a large know , Sir, that tbis Rs. 183 crores is floating population or pilgrims and its charged to the General Revenues. Wby price index is dearer like other cit ies, don't you m:;ke yourself free from the that can be upgraded to B-2 city so that the Central Government employees General Revenues? If you really want can get pilgrimage allowance. But to do something, then why burden the what happens is that all the time they General Revenues for that '1 If you have say that they will consider it. On the a surplus of Rs. 383 crores, you have one band you want family planning and achieved it by bifurcating the two on the other you ask Orissa to Departments. So, yoU can utilise this increase its population. They can do surplus for further development of it. But I do not understand the logic telecommunication facilities. of it. We have been pleading with your Recently, I have been to Orisla. I Ministry for the last three to four am grateful to the Government of India years to bring out a postal stamp in 311 11riltl.rit4llOl' (}fan,s (Gei(era/) 198'·86 312 -Conld. [Sbri Cbintamani Panigrahi] metnory of 8flri Samant Chandra. be having two separate Annul Reports. l'ettiar. He was one of the great I am not able to appreciate the IIde'Dtists of India but tbis stamp has compulsions of tbe Government to Dot yet been released. Similarly. Pilndit bifurcate tbe two sister departments. Neelatautha Das was 8 Iso a great free- In the post~offices we have the telegraph dom fiaflfer-Prof. Ranga must be office. Will the telegraph-offices be bowleg. We bave been requesting a located elsewhere after this bifurcation? postal • tamp in 111s memory but tbat I would like to hear from the Minister staJltp liali al.o BOt yet come. the reasons for tbis bifurcatiOD.

Enn about tbe postal buildings. in The Postal Department bas been Khandapara Garb in my constituency doing the work of other Departments. itself, the land is tbere for a postal We have the Savings Account in POBt building. There are 120 such places Office; the deposits made in these where the post offices have got the accounts go to the credit of National land for the last 10-20 years but no Small Savings Organisation under the building is COIning up because tbere charge of the Finance Ministery. The are interested persons who have given Finance Ministry may now be tempted tbeir houles on rent to the postal to take over this work Bnd band it over departmont and art trying to see th2t to public sector Banks. The licences no building of the department comes for TV. Radios etc. were being issued up on those pieces of land. For bow by the Postal Department. The Infor· long can tbey go on like this? Having mation and Broadcasting Ministry is in their own land and possessing every- overall charge to this in work relatitg to thin., they are not constructing their TV. Radio etc. The 1985·86 oWn buildings. There are encroach- Central Budget bas removed the ments by the people on those pieces system of licensing of TV, of land and those encroachments Radios etc. The Postal Departlllent should be removed from there. This is has been relieved of this burdon. Now tbe outlOOk of the pt)rsons in charge of tbe Postal Department tbrough the the Oepartment unless the attitude post offices is collecting the Telephone become'S development oriented progress Bills. With the settirg up of a sepa- cannot be quick. Therefore. I would rate Telecommunication Department the request tbe Hon. Minister that at least collection of telephone bills may also be an these problems which Orissa is entrusted to that Department. What facin,. should be looted into. Thank you remains then of the Post Offices? They Si) much for tbe time given to me. will sell post cards, send M.Os. under· take postal life insurance business. [TrdrUIMIolf ] They will be se Iling iill aDd letters. *SHRI P. S!LVENDRAN covers, postal orders etc. Even the (Periakulam): Mr. Chairman, Sir, on Railway Mail Service has been stopped. (he demands for Grants of the Ministry Naturally the work-load on Post Offices of Communications for 1985·86. I has been substantially reduced. wish to say a few words on behalf of my party the Dravida Munnetra As on 31.3.1984, according to the Kazbagam. Annual Report of the Ministry we have 15323 post offices in urban centres and For decades the Posts and Tele- 1,29,394 post offices in rural areas. graphs Department have been the two On an average for 21.87 square kilo- sides of tbe same coin; they have been metres we have one post office. We the two leaves of a single branch. Now have 5.6 lakh villages in tbe (ountry. these two Departments have been It takes more than month for a post- bifurcated. Tbi. is tbe laat joint report card to reach an interior village. Even of tbe Departments; next year we will Express telegrams take more tban a

*The speech was Originally delivered in Tamil. VAISAKHA }, t9O'1 (SAKA) (G~1feraJ) 1985-86 314 -Contd.

week to reach a village. It is claimed What can the poor subscriber do in tllat there are 70,000 mobile postal this environment of hostility from the vans in the rural areas. But in my authorities ? Periakulam Parliamentary ConstItuency, I have not aeen even a single mobile If it adding insult to the injury. van anywhere. Sir, as there is a gap Firstly the telephone is dead al most all between work and deed, there is also the time. Occasiooolly you get the a gap between what is contained in the correct number. While you are talking, Annual Report and wha t can be seen on some gruff voice interrupts me Il1ld the terra Jirma. The common people are orders you to disconnect. When two not concerned with what is claimed in politicians are discussing national prob- the Annual Reports. They are worried lems, such interruptions are common. about meetin-g their basic minimum I know when two lovers wore requirements. So long as tbey do not exchanging some sweet-nothings, there get them, they continue to remain as was sudden interruption from the father mute sufferers. They cannot raise of the girl and I need not narrate in their voice on the basis of what is detail what happened to that poor girl claimed in these Annual Reports. in love. When the telephone is working in this manner, it is really a matter of Now that the work-load of post great concern to recieve telephone bills offices has been reduced, we should for huge amounts I would say thlt open more post offices in the rural areas. this is day-light robbery of the telepone There should be a post·office for every Department. 'During the past 38 years, ~ kilometers. AccNding to tbe Report more than 30 Ministers of Commun i- of the Estimate Committee of 6th Lok cations have been told about tbe Sabha, the Life Insuranc~ Corporation malfunctioning of our telephone system. has miserably failed to undertake busi- It bas not improved so far. At least ness in rural areas. There is great our present Minister Shri Ram Niwas chance for postal life insurancf' to pick Mirdha will look int(\ tbis and do the up in iural areas. The Comml.!oiccltion needful immediateiy so tha t the Tele- Ministry should open more post offices phone Department is not blamed for in rural areas and try to do more life creating hundreds heart-attacks in the insurance business. country.

I need not repe;!t tbe deficiencies of Sir, I would remind the house of our tele.pbone system. Many H(~n. what was said by late Sbri C. M. Members have done that. It is n~ use Stephen in the 7th Lok Shabba when .be beating a dead snake. But I would was {he Communications Minister. He emphasise that the Ministry should look claimed that it is tbe bounden duty of into the question (\f inflated telephone the Government to tap the telephones. bills, which have caused heart·attacks in I would say tbat this i" not conducive many subscribers and a few of them for democratic working of the Govern- have also collapsed. Suddenly, instead ment. I want that proper guidelines of a telephone Bills for Rs. SO or Rs. should be formuh:ted for this kind of 100, one gets a Bilj for a few thousands. t3pping. I am sure that the Hon. You can imagine the shock of the Minister of Communications will do the subscriber, particularly the one who has needful in tbis matter also. gone on holiday locking the bouse and locking the telephone. If be approaches In my Periakulam constituency, we the telephone autbority, tbe officer Cumburn and Bodinayakkanur, which concerned in a stiff voice tells him: are the centres of international trade first remit the money and then repre- for cardamom. We should have STD sent; otherwise we will out the tele- facilities in these two towns enabling pbone. The officer seems to be tbe cardamom traders to con teet their _rived of all logic and reasonin,. counterparts in foreign countries and ~ 15 Demand for Grant, APRIL 23, 1985 (General) 1985.. 86 316 -Conld. [Shri P. Selvendran]

also in other metropolitan towns within villages. But we bave not covered evca the country, I want similarly an 25% of the villages witb postal service. Electronic Exchange at Periakulam also. in the past 38 years of our indepen- Before I conclude, I would urge upon dence. The Hon. Minister is aware of the Minister to lift the ban on opening the fact that 80% of our population post-offices; otherwille, his proposal to lives in rural areas, and we have open 10000 new post offices during brougbt about Green Revolution in the VII Plan will be just on paper only. countr),. besides White Revolution; I.e. The opening of post office is a social expansion of milt productioD. The commitment of the Government. I want rural wealth savings remain untapped. tbat tbis ban should go immediately. In the 7th Five Year Plan, there must One word about ED postal employees. be a serious effort to Cover 50 % of Sir, their fate deserves a better deal in the villages wi th POlLt offices. Now that the hands of the Department. I am there will be surplus staff in the P & sure that the Hon. Minister of T Department, more pOllt·offices can be Communications will give that better opend in rural areas. deal to the ED employees. Sir, I would refer to the problems [English] being faced by the staff of extra.Depart- mental post offices. They are SHRI P. R. S. VENKATESAN neither bere nor there. They have been (Cuddalore) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, I rise agitating in vair. for years for beUer to say a few words on the Demands for service conditions. It is really a case to be Grants of the Ministry of Communi- considered on humanitarian and com pas _ cation for 1985·86. This is my maiden sionate gromds. I want the Hon. speech and therefore I request your Minister to look into their genuine indulgence. demands and do the needful.

At the outset, I would convey the There is a rum our that the proposed gratitude of the people of our 5-days week will not be made appli- country to the Hon. Minister of cable to P & T employees. Th is will Communication for baying agreed to tbe be an injustice to tbem. If that is not abolition of licence fees for radio and extended to P & T employees, then television. Bul this has gripped tbe they must be paid overtime P 8t T employees in a grave fear. allowance. There will not only be no expanlion of tbe Department simultaneously with The post office employees discharge more and more people buying radio and all the functions of Bank employees. TV sets but also there may be reduction They handle lath!! of rupees in cash of staff bec~1Use of fall in the work-load. every day. Unfortunatly, the Postal The promotion avenues will als\) be employees do not get even one- blocked for them. Their apprehen;ions hundredth of physical amenities and are not unfounded. I would request the fiscal facilities being enjoyed by Bank Hon. Minister of Communication to employees. The Hon. Minister should allay their fear by assuring the em- at least give some more benefits to ployees that their services will be better Postal employees. utilised on the Postal Life Insurance side and also on the small savings side. Throughout their service, tbey do In fact, it is very necessary to develop Dot get Government residential accommo _ Postal Life Insurance bUliness. The dation. They may be brought UDder small savings through post offices are general pool of accommodation instead concentrated onl,. in urban centres. The of limiting them to P 8t T staff small savings in rural areas are com- quarters. pletely neglected. As on 31 st Marcb, 1984. tbere are 1,29,394 post offices in Much is being said about our tel e- rural areaB. Sir, we have S.60 lakh phone system. The Government coacedes 31'7 Demand lor Grants VAISAKHA 3. 1901 (SAKA) (Gt'nera/) 1985-86 318 -Contd. tbat tbe service to subscribers is not diverted to Karur. The people of satisfactory. Now, the General Manager Cuddalore are disapDointed. The coal of Delhi Telephones bas said recently coming from northern coal fields is DOW tbat this was mainly because of unloaded at Cuddalore port. There is inadequate investment, increasing num- urgeDt necessity for having an electron!c ber of calls per. line and over-loading of exchange at Cuddalore at the earliest. exchanges which have a snow· balling Kindly consider this request favourably. effect on the entire tele-communication system. I concede all this. But I With these words, I support the wonder why the girls working at tele- demands. pbone exchanges should be so discour- teous towards subscribers. They treat SHRI NARAY AN CHOUBBY the callers like filth. They do not lift (Midnapore): Mr. Chairman, Sir, as is tbe phone for some minutes and tbey known to everybody. this is a very reply in such disgust that the caller important Department, a Department is taken aback. I demand that they of great public utility. But as more should be given special traioiLg as to days are passing, Its prestige and image how they should converse with the is coming down. In pre-Independence subscribers. days, this was the ooly Department which was regarded as tbe best Depart- Again, the wrong billing is another ment of the Government of India. Gone headache. The house is lock,d for is its glory. three months and the phone is not at all used. Yet the bill comes for several Now. I do not know, if you drop a thousands of rupees. The Telephone letter at Delhi, whether your family Department treats the subscribers as members will get it at home. I do Dot thugs. They demand payment first ; know, if you send a telegram from otherw ise. the phone is cut. Is this Calcutta to Delhi, whether it will reach. proper? Should there be no mutual A person may come but telegram will faith in human dealings 'I It is not that never come. And about telephone, the the subscribers are all cheats. But fo1:' least said tbe better. I am from Bengal; the Telephone Department all the subs- I come from Calcutta. Your finger will cribers are uniformly cheats. They do be having pain but still you contDue to not understand the genuine pleas of the dial, dial and dial. Still POQ will never subscribers. The Hon. Minister must be able to get the connection and, if be an exception to over-billings. Many you get the connection, it wHl be a MPs are victims of the vagaries of wrong connection. As was stated by my Telephone Department. Sir. some Hon. Firiend opposite, even if yoU get drastic action must be taken in this the correct connection, somebody will regard. There must be computerisation interfere when you are talking on of telephone billing system. The Tele- telephone. phone Department must be made more humane and reasonable as also amenable This is the condition of the tele- to honest pleadings of subscribers. phones. Inefficiency is growing. In my Constituency, in the year, 1977 one post Cuddalore is the headquarters of office at Golebazar, a very important South Arcot district and Pondicherry place, was sanctioned. 1984 has ended. UnioD Territory is just 27 km. away The Post Office bas not yet come into from it. In Pondicherry we have got being. Such is the efficiency of tbis the Auroville, the international tOWD- Department. ship. In Cuddalore, the buildin8 for auto· telephone exchange is ready. The In the Midnapore Circle, we have electronic exchange was also sanctioned not got Telephone Directory for the last for Cuddalore. But the equipment five years. It is supposed to be issued which was to come to Cuddalore was every year. 31 , DMtGllh /01' GlVJIIIs APlUL 23, (G~)l~ 32e I"' -Conld. [Sbri Narayan Cboubey] Is tbis tbe way hOw we enter the suggest that the R.ailway Ministry should 21st Century? You must put a balt to be approached to give as mall, RMS these things aod yeu should see that we Vans as the Deparment requires. reaHy cnter 21st Century with good things done. We are entering 21 Century but Previously there were DO multi. the way we are going shows that per- storey buildings in cities. Now in haps we are going backward to the 19th Delhi, Calcutta and Bombay, multi- Century. storey buildings have sprung up and the Postmaa h l!I to go to the 1 Ith and tbo Some officers tbink that mechanisation end electronics and computers 14.59I1rs. are the panacea for all evils. Of course, we must have maahanisation. Of course, [SHRI VAKKOM PURUSHOTHA. we must make use of electronics and MAN in the Chair.] computers wberever needed. But Shri Ram Ni\, as Mirdba is a patriot and he win Dot imitate the Western countries j 2lh floor and again has to come down because in those countries, there is and again go up. I would suggest that shortage of unakilled human power. 311 tbese owners of multi-storeyed But in our country, there ill surplus of buildings should be asked by tbe unskilled buman power. We should Governmeul of India to make their make use of that in our planning. How letter boxes on the ground floor so that we make use of our surplus human the postmen suff.:r less and the service power is also very important. can be effective.

The P & T Department can improve Regarding telephones, actually a lot jf they enn employ the number of there is acute shortage of telephones in employees which is required for this the country. We require more telephones Department. The total ban on recrui t- and. therefore, more telephone factories. ment which is now effected should be Great delay in the installation of tele- withdrawn and this department should be phones is taking place. I know tbat allowed to make recruitment of person when a man applies for telephone, his required. name is registerer promptly and there is no malpractice in the matter of Since independence, the volume of registration. But then when everything our Postal Service has grown. It has i., ready, when the men is going to get really grown ten times more. But the telephone, then some unscrupulous accommodat ion of our Post Offices has people wiil be c0ming and saying "Your Dot grown as it should have grown. It number has come. You kindly shell might have grown in Delhi but in Our out something" and yOU will be getting parts in Calcutta and at other places, it a telephone quickly:' If the Govero- bas not grown. Something is being done ment makes an advertisement in the recently. But the acrommodation should press t hat in such and such areas, so grow in due proportion as Postal Service many numbers of telephones are going is growing. to be installed during this period, then all tbis malpractice will come to an eod. Ano~hor factor which is impeding our activities in tbe P & T Depart- ment is the RMS. Previously, sortings 15.00 brs. were being done in the RMS but now Another problem is this. More Postal activities have increased in num- telephone exchanges are coming UP ber but tbe number of RMS Vans has not in small towns and townships. In cities been incr!'ased by the railways and like Calcutta, Delbi and Bombay. I CaD naturally the sorting is done on the talk over phone to a person wbo is platform. That creates trouble. I 3.21 lHma,uu lor G,."ts VAISAKHA 3, 1907

I want to draw your attention to [Trans/at/on] one more aspect. or course, we require better knowhow and better SHRI RAM SINGH YADAV techniques. For that reason, tbe (Alwar) : Mr. Chairman, Slir, 1 officers are going from piller to post- congratulate tbe Han. Minister that to different countries. Stop sending the contrary to what Shri Choubey has officers on deputation to other countries said, his Department hal done a very for some time. The trouble is. after commend3ble job tbis year. In fact. returning from foreign countries, they the Hon. Member has judged the do not do work here. Mr. Stephen performance of tbe Departments and himself and liven expression to tbis. Ministers of the Oovernment of India in Whea our officers go to U.K. or comparison witb tbe werking of his U.S.A. or Belgium, they work properly party's Government in West Bengal. !13 Demands Jor Grant, APRIL 23, 1985 (Ge.eral) 19"-" 324 -eotdd. [Shri Ram Singh Yadav] It is true that where the Department of suggestions for his consideration. My Communications and the Telephone first lug~estion is that there should be Department d0 not get cooperation p.e.os. at all ~uch placos which have from the State Gouvemments, the branches of the banks. whether they scbemes are not iosplemented there. If are tho commercial banks. the coopera- land in oot required for opening a tive banks or the Land Department post.office at a place tbe construction banks. You have not provided telephone of the post office in delayed. Besides, facility to all the Panehayst Head- you use the Telephone Employee~8 Quarters. The scheme wbich you bave Union for your personal ends and if formulated is aimed at providing tele- tbese employees do not work properly. phone facility to link the remote tbe Goernment of India are held villages with their pancbayat head- responsible for that also. It is better if quarters. I would like to submit that this point of view of the Hon. Member all Panchayat headquarters may b e remains confined to Wf'st Bengal. It provided with telephone facility by the does Dot apply to otber States. year 1990. which will be the I est year of the Seventh Five Year Plan. A demand gad been outstanding for a long time tbat the Postal Depart- ,The HOD. Minister is aware that Bab- ment Rnd tbe Telecommunications ror is in my Parliamentary cODstitutency Departments should be reported. The ...... (Tnterruptions). Bahror Telepbone HOD. Minister has taken a hold step in Exchange bas been linked with~KotPutli. separating these departments, for Whenever the Hon. Minister goes to which I congratulate him. Tbis was a Delhi from Jaipur. he takes the Natio- long standing demand is respect the nal Highway No.8. If we book a department. which has DOW been met. call from Bahror for Delhi. the call does not materialise for 24 bours. There- At the some time, I also thank the fore, I request that ••. Hon. Minister that he has established a network of television, telephone and [English} radio facilities in the entire country in such a way that it bas led to socia! MR. CHAIRMAN: Please wind up. and economic devdopment throughout the country. India has the privilage to [Translation] chair the international organisations SHRI RAM SINGH YADAV: Sir, like the International Telecommuni- it does not mean that I should dis- cation£ Union and the Asian Pacific continue my speech. Telecommunity for the last many year. I want to thank the Hon, Minister for occupying sucb an important place in [English] this field also. Variolls villages of the MR. CHAIRMAN: A certain time country have been linked ~hrougb is allotted for each Party. You must INSAT-tB. The benefit of this bas understand the, Party decides the time reacbed even the person liv:ng in huts. for each Member. Besides, the people living in the country side and towns are evidently getting its Pleue now wind up. benefits. [Translation] Apart from thic , you have formulated a scheme to link the small town- SHRI RAM SINGH YADAV: My sbips with their Panehayat Head- suggestion is that tbe telephone Q- Quarters by telephone system. This in change in Bahror. an Assembly segment itself is a very important scheme. of my constituency. is Dot connected While offering tbanks to the Hon. with Alwar.: but it, is connected with Minister for this, I want to give some Kotputli which is a different ~istrict. 3l$ Demanth lor GrlJllls VAISAIUtA 3, 190' (SAKA.) (Gellefa/) )915-86 32& -Contd.

As a result, the telephone calls, whether ot her emploYI!e8 by the Gov.rnment they ate for district headquarters or should be given to them also. This calls from" collector or D.M., take 10 problem relates to the entire country. to 12 bours to matorialize. We want Mr. Chairman, Sir, tbis organisation tbat this telephone exchange should was started in your own State, Korala also be linked with micro-wave system and the Secretary of their Union belongs whiCh we have at present between to that State. I hope you will do Alwar and Delbi, so that the people of justice to B.D.B.O. employees. At the "that area', may oot feel tbat tbeir some time. I would also submit that communication system is different. the employees engaged in the H.D.B.O. Post offices in the viUages are part-time You have already sanctioned employees. They want tbat these post. offices sbould not be upgraded to branch electronic telephone ellchange fOI or sub post-cffies, because if they are Alwar. 1 he work on that exchange upgraded, tbeir services will be termi· was also about to start, but you have nated. These employees in B.D.B.Os. diverted some of its equipment to get Rs. 200 to 250 per month. If Jodhpur and PaIi due to which wort those post ~ffices are upgraded to sub on the project could oot be scarted and, post-offices, they will lose their jobs. thus, we are behind the schedule by J to That is why they show less daily work· yeRrs. My submission is that when 1t load. What I mean to say is that all you have sanctioned this exchange for the work being done tbere should be Alwar, funds have been sanctioned and fully rellected and a true picture should even the administrative sanction has emerge and their upgradation should be been issued, efforts should be made to done properly according to tbe rules. complete it as early as' posibk. Alwar is an industrial town. An au tomatic In the end, the only submission I telephone exchange of 400 lines bas want to make is that a paint relating to already been sanctioned one each for your departmeot was examined by the the Mats industrial area and the Public Accounts Committee. Earlier Bbiwani Industrial area. Both of these you used to sum Railway Mail Service exchanges should have been commis· and tbe sorting of mail used to be done sioned by 1983·84, but have not becn in the running train and the mail used commissioned so far. I would request the to be handed over at the stations for Hon. Minister tbat he should give an which it was meant. This process used assurance to the House that this work to speed up the distribution of mail. will be completed soon by providing the Now, sorting of letters has been stopped required equipment. All these three in the Railway Mail Service aDd as a projects-Electronic Telephone BI· result of it the time taken in the deli. cbange for Alwar, one telephone very of mail is more then what used exchange of 400 lines each for the Mats to be taken 150 years ago during the Industrial Area and th(l Bhiwani Indus- British rule.... (Interruptions) •. , trial Area-are very important for my The Public Accounts Committee has constituency. Therefore, you should examined it aod I am placing it bofore get them completed by sending the the Hon. Minister. This is an issue required equipment. concerning 70 crore people, which I am raising here. The mail used to The employees of your E.D,B.O. reach in time and used 10 be delivered P3st.offices have placed their problems speedily ISO yours ago, but, now the before you by continuously holding mail which which you are sending by meetings at different places. I bad bus 3ervise is reaching quite late. The also attended these meetings beld al delivery of mail in my constituency is this State and district levels. Their quite late and it is the responsibility of demands include upward revision of your Ministry to ensure timelY their pay and payment of dearnerss delivery of dak. You are changing th e alJowaoce. Tho facilities beiDg given to system being followed hitherto and APRIL 23; 1985 (GenItal) 1985·86 328 -Contd. [Shri Ram Singh Yadav1 lCIIdina the mail througb private buses when one gets tired of not getting tbe iastead of trains. The buses do not particular city through STD, one tries rUlU on time, as a result of which tbe what is called Lightning Call. Hardly mail rcac::bes its destination late. Tbe this lightning call materialises in boy who gets an interview Jotter from oangtok. Even some have bitter the Public Service Commission reaches experiences in Delhi if tho call is thore late and due to non·delivery of booked for oangtok. We now call it letter on time, he cannot attend tbe Lightning Hit Call. The call has been interview aad tbus, is deprived of tbe hit by lightning aod so there is DO job. Therefore, I would insist tbat rhanc~ of its geting materialised. tho s)'8tem of 80rtina of letters In the pesta. coach in tbe running trains Along with the people who haTe sJaould be continu:d and tbemail bags suffered bOOiluse of the poor service distributed at the station enrout.. You there are tbe ne\.-g agencies like the are an efficient Minister and I bope PTI. UNI and Hindustan Samachar. you will solve these problemih The lines remain so much disturbed that the impression at oaogtok end of With tbese words, I support the creed messages can hardly be Dealaods for Grants of this Ministry. diciphered. This situation needs to be remedied at the earliest and I would [English] request the Hoo'blc Minister to loot into it and take remedial measures. SHRIMATI D. K. BHANDARI (Sikkim): Mr. Chairman. Sir, tbe Sir, while Hon. Members from other Discussion on the Demands for Grants States are telling about linking villages under tbe control of the Ministry of and panchayats by telephon~s, Gangtok COlDlDuaWations has provided me with which in the capital town of Sikkim an opportunity to highliaht some of st ate is linked with only district head- the problems faced by the States in quarters only through overhead tele- North East India and particularly phone wires. Sikkirn is a mountaDeU8 Sikldm. in tbis vital sector. Compared region and it suffers from frequent to tbe otber parts of country I the State landslides during rainy days. Because of Sikkim woefully sWfers from lack of of high velocity of wind, sometimes communication facilities. rains aod landslides, the lines do Dot function properly. Hence, it is always Take the cale of the telephone facio difficult to get in touch with District lity. The only one exchange in the Headquarters through telephone. Tbe Stete Capital Gangtok is overloaded States Government has, therefore, been and it is very difticult to get a telepbone forced to depend almost entirely on connection. I have not hear-d of aDY Police Wireless to pas on mesages to scbeme to expand the present exchange district Headquarters and vice versa. in order to provide telephone connections No better is the functioning of tele- to those who are in the waiting list for graph service. I would, therefore, urge yean. the Centre to consider connecting the States capital with district headquarters through micro-wave link. Such micro- aangtok is blessed with STD faci- wave link will not suffer from the lity. Perb?ps all the State capitals vagaries of nature and above all it will have this facility. So Its functioning far provide quick and reliable service in as Gangtok is concerned is very erratic, Sikkim, which is a sensitive border state, to say the least. Sometimes it takes From the point of order of Defence hours to get Delhi or Calcutta. One it is highly neCessary tbat the communi: feels lucky if the line is clear. Other- cations network in Sikkim needs to be wise in most of the times tbe line is strengthened and I am sure that the ricketty. It seems that there is distur- Hon'ble MiDister w~ll entirely alr~ bance all along the line. Sometimes. with me in this. j29 D.1fItIIIdt 10' GMnts VAISAKHA), 190' (SAKA) (G.nual) 198j..86 330 -Contd.

Postal Service in Sikkim is in a yo. fOJ; givioa me an opportunity to deplorable condition. A letter posted speak. Some of the Doion Cabinet in Oaogtak today will take almost a Ministers belong to Rajasthan but I week to reach Gaubati or Shillong. It want to tell you about the plight of tbe tabs not less tban four to five dJYs to Post-offices in Rajasthan. reaeb Delhi. But why so much of del a" in the delivery of mails. The Rajasthan ranks 17th in the matter surprising part is that there is a daily of Post-offices, whereas Korala is at tho ail service QQnnecting Bagdogra, the air top, ADdhra Pradesh is at No. 3 and tOl'miolJl for Sikkim with the North- Haryana at No.4. We have a Minister eastiM'n States, Calcutta aod Delhi. The in tbe Centre from Rajasthan and we mails can easily be lifted by this service. stand at No. 17. The delivery of mails inside the Slate can be quickened by streamlining the The Hon. Minister had told us in present sorting and delivery arrange- reply to question- ments. [English) These are some of the acute prob- The question put to the Minister lems towards which I wanted to draw the was like this: attention of the Hoo'ble Minister. Sikkim, as the House is aware, joined "With the Ministry of Commull i- tbe main stream of national life only cations be pleased to state ten :years ago and hence we have been when his Ministry took a decision to only tbe execution of two Five Year introduce STD facility between Plans, whereas other States having Jaipur and tbe district headquarters completed Sill Five Year Plans are on in Rajasthan ?" the threshold of the Seventh Five Year Plan. Other States are obviously miles and miles ahead of Sikkin in every sphere The reply given by the Minister was: of development including that of Communications. Wt; need to be helped in all possible ways So (hett wtj can "Provision of STD facilities bet- catch UP with the rest of tbe country ween distriCI headquarters and res- as early as possible. In such a vital pective State capitals was approved sector like that of communications, during the Fifth Plan period which Sikkim, being a strategi:ally placed includes linking Jaipur by STO with border State, needs all the considlOl- district headquarters in Rajasthan." ration to expand the communications network in the region. Dot oniy for the [Trans/ation] sake of Sikkim alone but in the larger The period of Fifth Five Year Plan interest of the country. has alrC2dy expired and you have oot provided these facilities to us so far. I would, therefor.:, plead humbly with our Hon'ble Minister for a [Eng/(sh] comprehensive survey of the communi- Out of tbe 27 districts headquarters, cation requirements of Sikkim and Ajmer, Alwar, Bbaratpur, Kota, Udai- otber border areas in the region. I pur and Jaipur have been connected resume my seat with the hope that he with the State capital Jaipur, and would give sympathetic consideration to Dholpur, Jodhpur. Bikaner and Sriganga- my earnest pleading for better nagar are proposed to be lioked by STD cQlQmunication facilities in Sikkim. with Jaipur.

[TrtJIfS Idrt0Jt1 [Tranl.,lon] SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA Thus facility has not been provided (PalO:.. Mr. Chairman. Sir. I thaDk to our Pali district. You had said tbat 331 Demands for Grants APRIL 23, 1985 (General) 1985-86 332 -Contd. [Shri Mool Chand Daga] all districts would be linked with Jaipur to open post-offices in the tribal, back- by cable during the Fifth Plan period. ward, desert and bill areas. You have The facility is available between Jodh- engaged postman on temporary basis at pur and Ahmedabad but the work of many places. At some places, your laying cables is lying incomplete in our department appoints illiterate people; Pali district. This work should be people who can bribe the district started soon. Ordinary telegrams are suprintendeot are appointed and the not accepted afrer 5 P.M. Earliert this literate, matriculate youths are ignored. facility used to be there. The telegrams Such people do Dot koow their wort, which are looked thereafter are des- still their job remains secure, because patched through mail. You should tbey offer bribes to tbeir officers. This enquire into it. They charge money is badly affecting the p.:rformaoce of for telegram but send them by mail. your department. They idle away This is your position. A copy each of their time and do not deliver letters in all the telegrams booked after 5 P.M. time. When this is the condition of is sent by mail. Even in R.M.S., the your services, you may kindly appoint work is not being done properly. The rural literate youths, competent and entire dak is sent to Jodbpur or Pali literate youog men belongina to for sorting and despatched therefrom. Scheduled Castes on these jobs. You Thus, due to discontinuation of RM.S., should give opportunity to them also, tbe letter which used to reach earlier. because such elements are working in io 2 days now reaches in five days. A your department. I have said all these parallel postal service is being run in things in brief and I want that with a our country called Angan/:1a System ..• view to judging the efficiency of your (Interruptions) ... This should be inquired depiJrtment. you should write letters into. Eigbty percent of telephone and send telegrams and book telephone operators are such do not put through calls yourself. Then only you will be the calls of even politicians io time. able to get proper information about They known to whom to give priority. the condition of your Department. As Telephone Calls of businessmen and the long as you do not make surprise checks, Ministers are put through within a send surprise letters and telegrams. you miDute but others are told "Please will not be in a position to know how wait" and they have to wait for hours. the personnel of your Department wort. The operators invent their own methods. With these words, I thank you. The postman go from house to house for collecting their presents on the [English] occasion of Holi. Dimali, New Year SHRI SURESH KURUP (Kolta- Day, Baisakhi and numerous other festi- yam) : Sir. The P&T is one of the most vals. If you do dot give bim a tip. important public utility services in our your letters will disappear. This is country. The Postal service, especially, the state of affairs. On the ooe hand, caters to the poor man's communica- you are paying them so much by way tion needs. of salaries and on the otber hand they induldiog in such practices. All these At the outset. I would like to say festivals are celebrated with liquor. that we should have a clear perspective Communication services have become regarding the P&T service. This should very poor. Therefore, you will have to not be carried on, on a commercial run it on commercial lines. You sbould basis. start giying adyertisements on post- cards and envelopes which could earn Some of tbe measures now being you crores of rupees ... (Interruption,). adopted by Government in this vital Tribal areas named Chamudery and sector raise serious doubts about the Nava fall within my conltiluency. We concept of the Government regarding demaad that a branch post office should tbi. service. Government is trying to be opened there. You must take steps reduce the cost of running this Depart- 3H Demands/or Grants VAISAKHA 3, 1907 (SAKA) (General) 198 '·86 H4 ->Contd. ment. We were baving one of the of bifurcation of the Department. Wby 1 most efficient Postal services in the This . is done at the instance of the world, but now the mea urcs being multinationals. This telecommunica- adopted, arc sounding tbe death knell tions field in our country is going to be of the Postal services in the country. a pJay ground of multinationals. Al- For example, for cutting the cOSt, one ready moves are afoot to entrust the measure beinl implemented is to reo management of telecommunications duco the number of deliveries on a day. network in the major cities to a sepa- ThIs is already being implemented in rate corporation; and in the end, it is some areas ; and in some other areas going to end up by eat rusting all these where it was about to be implemented, things to private agencies, to mult i- it W'1S postponed due to stiff resistance nationals. by tbe workers. In tbe rame of madernisation, the We see the post boxes in every nook government is eager to import foreign and corner of our country, and the technological know·how in this Depart. Department is thinking of reducing the mente India is baving our own tech· number of post boxes placed on the nology aod technical personnel who are streets. Wby 1 In order to reduce very efficient. If it is so, then why the the cost. government showing unnecessary eager- ness to import foreign technology in R.M.S. is going to be wound up. this field? Train sorting, which was there, is already closed. Now, the RMS employees PROF. N. G. RANGA (Guntur): have given a strike notice for 6th Juee, It should not be. against this policy of the Government. All tbis is done in order to cut the cost SHRI SURESH KURUP: It should of this Department, to some 40%. not be. Our people will not allow it. This is done as per the instructions of All these measures that are adopted are the Universal Postal Union, which is already resented by the workers. There. controlled by IMP and tbe World Bank. fore, I request the Hon. Minister to Tbis reduction is done at the cost of ensure the cooperation of tbe wOlkers efficiency. Of course, the Postal service in this field. whatever measures you caters to the needs of the poor people adopt, wbatever modern technology you of our country. By the present mea- are going to adopt, you need the co- sures job opportunities are also reduced. operation of the workers. In the name of modernization, mechanization is introduced in this sector. Who RMS people had given a strike ever voices or expresses doubts about notice for 6th June. Government is this mechanization process, is dubbed as seriously thinking of winding up this a person who st<: 11s our pwgrcss towards whole business of RMS. I request the the 21st century. Hon. Minister to caJi the representa. tives of the workers and h ave an ami. Mechanisation in this sector means cable settlement of this sorious probe about 3 lakh EDS people working in lem facioa tbe workers. Also in our the P&T Department will Dot be State, Kerala, more tban half a dozen absorbed; 18,000 reserved training people are put of service . ooly because pool people will not be absorbed and tbey are organizational workers. I one lakh casual labourers are going to expect tbe Minister to know their case!;. remain as casual labourers. Now, all I request him throu,h you to review th~ employment opportunities are sta li- their cases and reiostate them in tbe ed; vacancies are not filled up. All service. these things are done to cut the cost in the Dame of modernisation; aod the Comins to the telephone, I think government have resorted to the step it is ODe of tbe worst managed depart. "'5 D.. ",.ds fgr G1'lIIIU APR.IL 23, 1985 (GenlN/) 198$-'6 U6 -Contd. [Shri Suresh Kurup] _uta in the country. Oov.eroment PROF N. G. RANGA: In spite rna ., claim that modern technology is or this their may be miscbief. tbere, STD facilities are tbere, etc. It is a gBOO luck of a subscriber to get SHRI SURESH KURUP: ThiB the rigbt number especially in major is against the bw of this country and CIties. Of course, STD facilities have before concluding I once again request increased, but, then the difficulties of the Hon. Minister to take note of the the subscribers have also increased. It modernisation process, the number of is said in our State that STD means jobs it is going to reduce, and this is a that a subscriber try and die; for the very serious problem. whole day you may try a number and you would not get. This is what is happening regarding STD. With tbese words I conclude.

The Government should ensure pro- MR. CHAIRMAN: Shri Oirdhari per staff and adequate staff as there is Lal Vyas. shortage of staff in this department.

Another thing I want to mention is [TI anslation] regarding the teleprinter and telex SHRI GIRDHARI LAL VYAS services under this department. Thill (Bhilwara): Mr. Cha:irman, Sir. I rise servictl is mostly used by the Press to support the Demands for GraDts of people and they are paying-I know the Ministry of Communications. Tele- personally-high rent. In this capital phones have a very important role in city dilapidated machines are being the development of a country. Our supplied and for this they are paying country is aho making constant pro- rent; about one lakh of rupees is paid gress in this field. But, the old tele- as rent. When some complaint is phone exchanges which were installed lodged the reply is that the Government many years ago need to be replaced does not have sufficient number of and there has been a persistant demand machines. As far as my understanding for their replacement for a, long time. goes these macbines are supplied by I want to draw the attention of the the HMT. I would like to enquire Hon. Minister particularly to any consti- why such machines are supplied and luency Hhilwara. The exchange tbere good machines 'are oot tbere. Why is is very old and there is so mucb de- such mismanagement there regarding mand for additional lines that mortl tbese teleprinter and telex services 7 tban 1000 applicants are in the queue for telephones. But the telephone Lastly, I would like to draw the eXGhange is so old that there is no attention of the House to the so·called scope for its expansion. Postal Research Centre in the major cities and some impornant towns. It may Bound as if it is a part of the You bave given approval for a new Department of P06ts aod Telegrapbs building for the telephone exchanges under Department of Communications. for which land hal also been acquired But it is managed by the Intelligence and boundary wall has beeD eraoted. Bur.au people of the Home Depart. but its foundation stone has not been ment, and I feel the funds are also laid, although two years have paslJed. aJlotted by the Home Department for I request that the foundation stone of this purpose. In a;l these centres, in this telephone excbange should be laid a systematw way letters and parcels are as early as possible and work started intercctpted and censored. This is not sooo, so that tbe difficulty of telephone, good in a civilised democracy. These at least for Bbilwara is removed by pro- posial research centres arc there in big viding tbem, with new lincs. 1 bope cities and some towns only to "Syste- tbe Hon. Minister will surely ten us matically censor tbe letters. about it while replying. 337 DeIfltUllb lor Grants VAISAKHA 3, 190' (SAKA) (GeMra/) 1985-'6 338 -Contd.

There are two tebsils named Jajpur Jaipur and Delhi so that the people of aDd Aaseeo in my constituency. Out tbat area could be provided with ade-- of 11 tehsils there, 9 tehsils have quate telephone facility. already been linked directly with the headquarters, but these two tehsils have Similarly, the buildings housing your no direct link. I request that direct link telephone excbanges are all 00 rent. of both these tehsils with headquarters All of them are located at worthless may also be provided. places. Arrangements should be made to construct buildings for them at the My third request is this there is a proper places. schem e to link Gangapur with Kankroli. Kankroli is linked with Udaipur. the If You have opened a post office at people caD have a direct link with Shahpur. It will be kind of you if you Bombay and Ahmedabad. Ours is a open Haad Post Offices at Maodalgarh commercial centre and the people fre- and Gangapur as it will provide a lot of quently need to have a direct talk with facihty to the people. It will be better Bombay and Ahmedabad, but in the if tbis work is done as early as absence of a direct line, they are not possible. able to have a direct talk. Tberefore, you should arrange to provide a direct Many of our post offices are .Iocated link. This will provide a direct link in tehsil headquarters. but you hijve with Bombay and Ahmedabad. This not been able to construct b!lildings of should be done as early as possible. your own there. For instance, there is no building either for post office or for You have said that P.C.Os. will be telephone exchanges at Banera and provided in the villages having a popu- Gulabpura. It will be better if yOU lation of more than 2,500. But in my make a provision for tbis at the earliest. district, P.C.Os. have been set up only We have SOO dbtricts in the country. at 4 to 5 places. Still, there are 70 to If you construct 1200 buildings for 500 75 places about which I have written districts, we could have 2 to 3 buildings. and Our M.L.A. has also been writting It will be a very good step if you could to your department from time to time, provide the same. where P .C.Os. should be opened so that the people could be benefited, as I appreciate the provision of extra early as possible, but no action has so departmental staff which you have far been taken. It is most· esseotial to made. You do not pay them the make such a provision. ~inimum wages, but pay only Rs. 5 to 7 per day. You should arrange to pay My constituency is Bhilwara where them at least Rs. 11 which is the telephone exchanges are quite old and minimum wage. In this connection, I generally remain out of ordec But no r~quest Shri Ranga to pursue this case action is taken to repair them. as a so that thelle poor people could make result of which we face a lot of diffi- a proper living. This arrangement needs cu Ity. I do not know how much out- further improvement. dated equipment has been installed in all the old telephone exchanges that Sir, you are aware that there are they do not function properly in spite very old staff in the Telephone Dopart- of repairs. I request you to get them ment against whom tbere are a number replaced so that the telephone service of complaints. Today there are people functions properly. who are occupying the same seat for the last 10 to 15 years and are acting There are a number of industries in arbitrarily. You say that you have DO Bbi lwara. but there is no provision of income. They usucp half of your in- S.T .D. This should be linked with come. They pocket the entire amount. 339 Demands lor GrfJ1lts APRIL 23. 1985 (General) 1985·86 340 -Conla. [Sbri Girdbari Lal Vyas] An arrangement should be made to telegram should reach the common man ensure tbat nobody remains at a place within tbe minimum time. for more tban a year. I would like to say a few words There is a lot of bungling indulged about tbe commemoration stamps al~o. in by D E.Ts. in giving telephone con- Philately reflects the various aspects of nections. The condition of the Depart- national life, combining international ment which wa~ appreciated throughout themes with national subjects. About the world and about which it was said 38 stamps presenting a judicious blend that no other department was as honest of various trends of great events and as the Posts and Telegrapbs Depart- personalities have been released so far. ment, has now deteriorated in this the latest being that of our national extent. There is urgent need to improve leader, the late Prime Minister, Sbri- it. Shri Ram Niwas Mirdha is a very mati Indira Gandhi. I am sorcy tbat lionest person and we respect him to proposals pending for a long time to bring about honesty in this Department release stamps in honour of Bhakta also so that tbe entire country could be Pothana, tbe author of the immortal bene6ted. classic Bhagavatham in Aodhra Pradesh and Sbri Alluri Setharama Raju, a great freedom fighter. have not materia- With these words, I support the lised yet. J hope the Government will Demands for Grants. censider it expeditiously. One of the great sons of Andhra, Prof. Ranga also [English] is here, he is also appreciating my SHRI D. N. REDDY (Cuddapah) : stand. I am told that the present HOD. Mr. Chairman, Sir, a dependable effi- Minister for Defence also at one time cient, and modern communication system had pleaded for commemoration stamps is absolutely essential for the economic for these two great sons of Telugu growth of a nation. Bifurcation of the Desaro. Communications department, one for telecommunications and the other for The prese~t system of telecommuni- postal services is a welcome step. cations remains most unsatisfactory. Wide gap between promises and perfor- Any cbange In a system should be mance of the telephone authorities is beneficial, first to the common man in causing continuing misery to tbe tele- tbe remote rural are::.s. India Hves in phone subscribers. We expect a depend- the remote villages, so said the Father able service with minimum break down of the Nation. through proper maintenance and recti- As at present, a post office, on an fication of faults. Teere is need for average, serves a population of 4.734 replacement of some of tbe exchanges and 21.87 sq. Kms. area. This is barely with modern sophisticated equipment. sufficient. Post is not only a link bet. The subscribers is greatly handicapped. ween man a man but also a link bet- He neither sees nor bears the other ween nations. There ought to be at side. The way the subscriber is treated least one post office fur every 2,000 of is really most miserable. Therefore. tbe population which means the number of Hon. Minister must see to it that some- post offices should be doubled keeping thillg is done about it. Often, the in view the remote bill areas and other operator is not present at tbe other backward regions. end, and we get wrong numbers more than once a day. It causes real headache to the subscriber. However. we should admit that the postal department bas been serving tbe nation well. The telegraphic system It is suggested that the Department should be modernised and there should should maintain a register at various be a system developed by whicb the exchanges to record all complaiuts from 341 Demands /0' G'lllItS VAISAKHA 3, 1907 (SAKA) (General) 19Bj-86 342 -Contd. telephone subscribers which are made SHRI. S. JAIPAL REDDY (Mab- either personally or by telephone, and llubnagar): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I would actioD should be taken prom~tly. When like to know when the Mioirter would required. the Department should instal make his statemant. check-metres at the subscriber's resi~ dence at a reasonable charge to record both local calls and S.T.Ds. As it is in MR. CHAIRMAN: Please wait. operation abroad and also in some of own states, the numbers of STDs iDs~ SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: Is til is talled in the towns should be increased. the way that we are handled? How Any town with nearly 20.000 popula- long should we wait DOW for the Home tion should have STD and the Minister to make his statement? number of telephone subscribers should also be increased. As at present. any subscriber, who applies MR. CHAIRMAN: He has not for a telephone, has to wait for four to informed me anything. five years. The Department should make special arrangement to see tbat SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: We the applicants get a telephone at least were told much in advance that he within six months .. would make a statement. Tbe whole telephone system has to be revamped to give a better and SHRI H. M. PATEL (Sabarkaotha): prompt service. From All India Radip we got the news that he will make Statement at four. I would like to inform the Hon. Minister of a personal experience of mine a few days back. When I got a MR. CHAIRMRN: The Minister quarter, the Parliament Office asked me has informed here that he will make at what time I would like to have a Statement at five. telephone installed. I indicated the time and date by which it should be installed. SHRI H. M. PATEL: All India After twenty four bours somebody Radio announced it is at four. came and drew the wires. After another twenty-four hours the telephone was insta1Jed. but I am even now waiting PROF. MADHU DANDAVATB for a· connection, Up till now they (Rajapur): It said he will make State~ neither given IDe its {lumber, nor its ment in the afternoon. connection. This is tbe state of affairs in Delhi and that too with Member of SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: Our Parliament. Even in my own quarter complaint is how long we are to be provided by Parliament I am waiting treated in a cavalier .fashion? The for tbe last one week. I fail to under- whole House is being taken for a ride. stand that would have been the condition of other people at other places. Through you I would request the Minis~ SHRI H. M. PATEL: Mr. Chair- t er to come to my rescue aDd see that mao. Sir, it was annou'lced on All I am given telephone connection as India Radio tbat he will make State- early as possible. If this is tbe state ment at four. of affairs in Delhi, what would be tbe condition in rural areas. Many Hon. MR. CHAIRMAN: But All India Members have pointed out that the Radio may not be correct. telephone system is tbe worst. They do not deserve any sympathy except that they should be given warning and PROF. N. O. RANOA (Ountur): the Whole system should be revamped Anyhow you are sitting bere upto and modernised. silm. ~43 betnfJlfdllor Grtlnts APRlb 23, 1985 (General) 198'·86 '44 -Conld.

SHRI NARAY AN CHOUBEY Indian Telephone Industries, Baoga- (Midnapur): Let tbe Government say lore has thousands of skilled and effi- that All India Radio is not correct. It cient technicians. It is using latest gives bogus news. tecbnology and there is vest improve. ment in tbe development of communi- MR. CHAIRMAN: I go by the cation system. Earlier there was a information given by the Minister. proposat to set uP. a complex for manufacturing Digital Electronic Switch- SHRI NARAY AN CHOUBEY: ing equipment close to the exist- All India Radio is a department cont· ing ITl complex in Bangalore. It bad rolled by the Government of India and been approved by experts and most you say the news is not correct. of the arrangements were made. But this complex for manufacturing eigital electrooic switching equipments was MR. CHAIRMAN: It may Dot be shifted to Gonda in Uttar Pradesh. correct. 16.00 hrs. [TrQIIJlation) ·SHRI T. V. CHANDRA- A delegation of all the Members SHEKHARAPPA (Shimoga): Mr. of Parliament from Karnataka Congo (I) Chairman, Sir, I am happy to support met our former Prime Minister late Smt. tbe demands for grants of the Ministry Indira Gandbi in this connection in of communications. While speaking on . 1983. She was kind enough to assure the deman j8 I want to bring certain the delegation that tbe second unit of vital issue to the kind consideration of tbe digital electronic switching equip- tbe Hon. Minister. It is gratifying to ments would be set up in 'Baogalore. note tbat tbis Ministry bas been made an Therefore, I plead with the Hon. Minis- independent Ministry and for that I ter to fulfil the assurance given by our want to cGngratuJate our Government. former Prime Minister. In Gonda, the said unit is not functioning to the The Ministry has covered prn- expected level due to lack ,of infrastruc. grammes especially in tbe field of tural facilities. Karoataka Govt. bas telecommunication to make use of allotted land for the establ isbment of modern technology. Sufficient efforts tbe second unit. It has also promised bave been made to expand and to provide infrastructurai facilities like modernise telecommunications during water, power etc. But now there is an tbe 6tb plan period. Indian Telepbone apprehension not only ill the minds of Industries, Bangalore has made ricb Members of Parliament but also in the contribution in this development. minds of the people of Karnataka that the second unit also would be shifted to Several Committees have been set up Uttar Pradesh. People of Karnatak a to look into tbe modernisation of bad been expecting estabiishment of telecommunications and other related tbis complex very eagerly. matters. Sarin Committee has suggested short term and long term develop. ITI Bangalore bas sufficient num. mental programmes. I urge tbe HOD. ber of skilled workers whose services Minister to implement the suggestions may be utilised in tbe new complex. It made by Sarin Committee. will solve the unemployment problem also to some extent. Therefore, I To achive fast technology in tbe earnestly request tbe Hon. Minister not field of telecommunications it is to !lhift tbis complex to any other essential to make optimum utilisation of place. but to have it established in INSAT-IB and Microwave facilities. Bangalore itself. I want a categorical

·The speech was originally delivered in Kannada. 3"~ Demmid lor GranJs VAISAKHA lJ 1901 (SAlCA) (General) 1985·86 346 -COntd. statement from the HOD. Minister in they used to deliver. Now, it takes 4 tbis regard on floor of aDgust House. days. I do not understand the reason where they say they are technologically Now, I would like to express my and scientifically so much advanced. views with regard to Post and Telegraph. The efficiency in this department bas Even in regard to local delivery, I gone down. This is the only media of have bitter experience. I hope, every· communication which establishes link body must be having the same among the poor villagers who live in experience. Letters posted locally either remote areas of our country. I request at Delhi or BaDgalore takes a minimum the Hon. 'Minister to streamline the of two days. Is this the efficiency '1 I do whole administration to provide best not know where we are. Of course, services to rural nnasses. our Minister has taken over this Department recently, I suppose. Pro- bablY he does not know me. know I urge the HOD. Minister to link all I him very well and of his capacity. H~ taluks aDd district headquarters with the nearest parent teleconnmunication must put his head to tbis matter and be must set it right. I will speak for centre so as to enable them to have STD facilities. Top priority should be an01her S mintes, with your permission. givrD to this aspect in the 7th plan period. I thank you, Sir. for giving MR. CHAIRMAN: There is no me this opportunity to speak and with discrimination to any Hon. Member. these words I conclude my speech. SHRI V. S. KRISHNA IYER : So far as tbe postal employees are con- [English] cerned, a decade or even a little more SHRI V. S. KRISHNA IYER tban that, we could easily recognise tbe (Bangalorc St'u,h) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, pO.ital employees. They used to dOD we are an advanced nation. It is with uoifornn; they used to wear presumed that we always move forward. badges. Now, bow can you recognise But so far as P & T is concerned, we the P & T employees '1 Now, a number are moving backward. In spite of having of ladies are also there. They do a dedicated Miaister, the P & T is not have uniform. They do nor bave moving backwdrd. It is the biggest even badges. I do not know whether organisation in t.he public sector ill our labour leaders or employees are country aod it is spread over the entire opposing it. But is 'absolutely neces'lary length and brlladtb of the country. that we should give tbem un iform. They should wear badges. You give After becoming a Mcnnber of them uniform allowance. You give Parliament, I wanted to study in detail them three or four sets of uniform. why there have been such inorJinate Even for ladies, there should be uni- delays in postal delivery. Unfortu- form, becaUie a number of ladies are nately, I have not got ,1 reply except lecruited now-a-days and posted as tbat there is a usual delay in the peons or post-women. letters •.• Sir, when there is a holiday, I generally go to Rmglore. I write to In the postal. Department, just now, them letter that such and such date I my Hon. friend Shri Saresh also said am coming to Baoga!ore. I used to about it. There are extra-Department a I write three days before my departure. agents. Labour leaders· know it very But I myself will receive such letters at well. I have been receiving letters Bangalore. Fronn Bangalore to Delhi, it from them. Many Members must have taltes 4 days. I remember very well a also been receiving letters. Thousands decade ago, a letter posted under QMS, of tbem arc paid consolidated pay of was delivered to BaDgaloreithe very next RI. 200 per meosem. Tbey are supposed day in tbe evening. In tbe evening, to work fur five hours. But actually, 347 Demands 10' G,ants APRIL 23, 1985 (Gene'Dl) 1985-86 348 -Contd. [Sbri v. S. Krishna Iyer] th6Y are asked to do everything from must also be there. That must be the -A' to ·Z' by the Post-master there. target in the Seventh Plan. They do everything-sorting, delivering and also tbe home work of the postmaster. They are not permanent em- About telephones, many of us have ployees. Any moment, the post-master got bitter e~perience. Many times, can send them home and dispense with there are wrong connections coming; at their services. They have put more than times, we got lady's voice and, parti- 1 S or 29 years of service. culary, the ladies will mistake us very It is very necessary that we should much. Something should be done to think about them. It is heart- see tbat wrong connect ions "re burning that at an age of 40 or 4S minimi&ed. years, married with children, they are not permanent. Then, there are inflated telepbone bills coming to us. I would request the What do you do with such em- Hon. Minister to go into tbis matter ployees? Either you confirm them or you and see that over-billing is not there. should not recruit them at all. They are working as extra-departmental employees for the last 20 to 2S years About the facility or "Assistance", even. do not require them, you If YOU what is the necessity for that when you should dispense with them in the do not get it. When you do not get a beginning itself. But if after 20 or 2S particular telephone number, you tl fce years, you send them away, where will the help of " Assistance". But thai is they go ? They would have got married worse than getting a connection. They and got their own families. What will are supposed to give us assistance. But they do' to maintain their families if bardly tbere is any assistance given to they are without work? You should us. make the service permanent and pay them decently . You make them permanent. Even for getting "Enquiry", you will have to dial and dial; you will PROF. N. G. RANGA: You have to wait for many minutes to get cannot dispense with them. How can any information. This was not so about you do that? If there are no extra· a decade back. The service has departmental employees, many villages worsened. You must improve the will go without that service. efficiency of telephone service. We are now in an electronics age.' Something must be dODe about it. SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN (Badagara): You make them permanent. You give them decent salary. In regard to allotment of telephones, We do not want them to be sent away. there is a provision in the Indian Tele- That i. what be ~ays. You treat tbem graph Act itself that telephone advisory well. You give them a decent salary. committees are to be consituted for the You jUit given them R'I. 100 or Rs. 200 purpose. I have myself beeD a member per montt. Who will work on such a of tbe telephone advisory committee, paltry amount? It is almost whole-time in Bangalore. For the last 3 years, work. there is no advisory committee. It is left to the whims and fancies of the SHRI V. S. KRISHNA IYER: officers in the Telephones Department. Coming to post offices, I would urge In Karoataka, even the Ministers do not upon the Government and the Han. come under "special category". The Minister to see that every village must General Manager of Telephones says have a post-office. Telegraph service that there is no provision for tbat. 349 Demand/or Grants VAISAKHA 3, 1907

I was myself a Minister and I have got years and the Telecommunication my ex per ience. The General Manager System of our country bas reached an said, "I cannot give a special category advanced stage of development, but the to Ministers." He gives the telephone benefit of tbe development made in to any person he likes. I would request this sector has not reached al1 the areas the Hon. Minister to enquire into it. of the country. The rural areas have He must have received a letter from the been deprived of the benefit of the Chief Secretary to the Government of Karnataka about this mattter. If a progress made in this field. I would Minister cannot get special category, like to refer in particular to the rural who else can get special category. You areas and the northern part of Bihar must spell out what is special category. State as also my own home district That is very necessary. You must define it. You please see that telephone Sitamarhi. There is a provision of one advisory committees are constituted post office each for a population of wherever necessary. 2,:00. There are post offices at a distance of six to seven miles in our About S.T.D. facilityf every dis- area even today, but there is no tele- trict must have S.T.D. facility. phone facility in any of the post offices. In my view, until this facility is pro-

Lastly. I would point out that vided, j.t could not be utilised folly. there is the most prestigeous organi- I would like to request tbat telephone sation in the public sector, that is, the facility must be provided in po~t offices Indian Telephone Industry at Bangalore. which are being opened in the rural This is the mother of all the tele- areas. There are many Development communication organisations. It is one Blocks in my district Sitamarhi. No of the best managed industries. The telephone facility has been provided in employees of IT! are always facing the them also which courses a lot of tbreat of retrenchment because they difficulty. Neither have the postmen have stopped manufacturing exchmges who are working in the POSt office~ of which they were manufacturing pre- rural areas been sanctioned any pay- viously. I would strongly urge upon scale, nor have their services been regu- the Government to see that the Digital larised. In the absence of such facilities, electronic switch gear system factory is these persons lose the enthusiasm for established at Bangalore. We were work. I want that their ~ervices should deceived once in the past. We should be regularised and their pay-scale not be deceived once again. should be prescribed the micro-wave system has not been installed in District With these words, I conclude. Sitamarhi so far. For the last two years, tbe equipments from this Ministry [Translation1 are brought there, but they are not SHRI R. S. KHIRHAR (Sita- installed there. We have come to marhi): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I support know that there is sbortage of land. the Demands for Grants of the Ministry should be examined how the land of Communications. It is true that It would be available. This work should there has been a lot of technological be done without delay, With these advancement in the field of tele- words, I support the Demands of this communications during the last few Ministry. 3S1 Demll4ds for Grants APRIL 23, 1985 (G,neral) /985-86 352 -Contd.

[Eng/is.] this end in mind that, compared to the Sixth Plan all ocation which THE MINISTER OF STATE OF amounted to about Rs. 2,700 crores, THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICA· we have proposed in the Seventh TIONS (SHRI RAM NIW AS Plan an allocat ion of Rs 12,000 crores. MIRDHA): Sir, I am really very Even then the waiting list would not thankful to the Hon. Members who hav.! vanish, and it will take a long time for takeu part in tbis debate on the it to become a thing of the past. Ministry of Communications. They have shown a lot of interest and a Most of the difficulties about number of suggestions have been given operation of tekphones arise from this as to how we can improve the Services fact th:tt, because the numbar of tele- which, I would readily admit, ar~ not phones is less, more calls are made all that we wish (hem to be. from, and more people use, one telephone. The number of people using Ther e is a long history behind if per telephone in India iii much higher we want to know why our tcle-com- rhan in other countries To give some munication services particularly, are examples, in the United Kingdom, only to expectations. We have not our two calls are made per day per neglected thi'i Sector in our previous tel epeone.· In Japan, 16 minutes are Plans with the result that after every Plan, the number of persons in the used for making and receiving call, at waiting list increased and it is only both ends, per instrument, per tele- lately that it is graduallY being realised phone, per day. This is the situation in in the country as a whole that tele- other countrIes whose instances are communication is really an important sometimes quoted to us and it is asked: Sector of national importance and if they can have such an efficient system, development and that it is not just an why can't We have? Most of the elitist concept which can be confined to difficulties about calls not going certain sections of p.::ople in urban through, enquiry not responding, are areas. because our system is so clogged all the time, and when one does not get a Just to give an example of what response, one goes on dialling and has happened in the past, I would likt! di~lling; as an Hon. Member mentioned, to give some figures. The first Five the fingers really get cramped. He Year Plan started in 1951. At that mentioned about Calcutta particularly. time, the waiting list of telephones was This is what happens, and as it goes 29,101. along, it becomes all the more difficult. So, in tbis Plan we want to mount a At the end of the Second Five very serious effort, given the allocations Year Plan (1956-61), the waiting list by tbe Planning Commission, to intro. increased to 1,89,405. duce the latest insl ruments, latest switching instrument" ,exchanges and all At the end of the Third Five Year the rest of it, so that our system gets Plan (1961-66), the waiting list wellt up modernised. to 3.49,226. Another feature of our Seventh Today at the end of the Sixth Five Plan is to take tele-communication to Ycar Plan. the waiting list stands at the rural areas which have been neglec- 8.6 Lakhs. ted uptill now. For that also. we want to use the latest techniques and not We will have to put in quite a lot treat them as places where we can dump of efforts us well as a massive invest- our old machines and things like that. ment if we want to substantially Just to give one or two examples, in improve the Services It is with some of the billy areas which arc 353 Demands lor Grants V AISAKHA 3, 1907 (SAKA) (Gelleral) 1985-86 354 -Contd.

'inaccessible and where open wires are which a factory with a capacity of difficult to instal and maintain, we want 500,000 lines is already starting work to use microwave links and satellite-to in Gonda. reach those remote areas. About the second factory about Another thing-and this was which the Hon. Member, Mr Chandra- mentioned by Prof. Parashar-is the sekhal'appa was keen, it is still under multi-access radio system that we want consideration. The proposition was to to have and which will cover a group have another factory of the same type of villages with a few telephones in in Banlalore. Th ere is no question of each village. That will also be on shifting it to Uttar Pradesh or any- wireless and no cable will be necessary. where-else. We do hope that a decision As a matt er of fact, our idea is to do on this second factory would be taken away with cables, open or underground, very soon. No decision has been taken as much as possible, so that we can to shift it anywhere and we still believe give a service which is reliable and that Bangalore would be a good place wbich can be relied upon. for establishing this factory. We have our Illdian Telephone Industry, a Another feature of our Seventh pioneer-public s.:ctor undertaking-I Plan projects is that we want to intro- think it is the major public sector duce the latest technology in every area undertaking to be started in our of tele-communication operation. We country ••• have already gone in for a digital switching system which, as has been PROF. N. G. RANOA: It is mentioned, is the latest technique. We running on profit. have gone into this, we have started install ing this, we have even started SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: manufacturing at Gonda as was Yes, it is running on profit. It is run mentioned. This is the system which we in an efficient way with the co-operation want to adopt now for our future of the labour. Very highly skilled and expansion apart from what we are motivated people work there and with manufacturing at ITI. the other infra-structure which exists there, Bangalore is certainly suitable Another thing is this. In order for having the second factory. It will that we may not be compelled to import receive our utmost attention when the foreign technology for ever, we are question of the Second factory comes up ... developing a system which is going to be completely our own. We have made very special arrangements; we have SHRI V. S. KRISHNA rVER started an organization called the Why still doubt ? Centre for Development of Telematics, and the mandate to this Ctntre is this: SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: we have given them three years and a Because we have not yet taken a deci- sum of Rs. 35 crores because that is sion whether to go in for a second what was computed and we have asked factory. '" Unterruptions) You are them to produce a system which is going to get it anyhow. completely indigenous with certain peripheral areas to be covered by im- SHRI V. S. KRISHNA IYER : In ported technology and that they should the first factory also the same thing develop a system which would in future happened. The same hope waw given. to our standard system so far as expansion of tele-communications is concern- SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA : I ed. Till that happens we have adopted have clearly said that there is no this digital system from France for intention to shift it to UP or anywhere- APRIL 23 1 1985 (General) 1985-86 356 -Contd.

[Shri R.am Niwas Mirdha] are producing are old models. they arc else. .•. (Interruptions) I have said mechanically operated, the parts are not what needed to be said on this. I have readily available even with our own giv~n compliments to the labour force manufacturing factory and we have there, to the infra-structure in Banga- decided to have in the Seventh Plan a lore. I am tryir.g to build up the case very well integrated modern network for you which I am not trying to refute. for not only telex, teleprinters but We are speaking on the same wave- for all communication services. For length. Then Sir, we are going to see example, newspapers are printed that the equipment that will come out through satellite by facsimile. Sitting will be what we want to use it for our here you send your imPulses to future developments. A lot of non- the satellite which beams to the other resident Indian experts in this line have places aad the paper gets print.;;d. All not only shown their willingness but are these latest technologies which are non- actually ready to co-operate in dev¢lop- voice side of tele-communication ing this system. We lay great store by development would receive ser ious this effort and we hope to get a system attention and we want that by the end of the Seventh Plan telexes of high which is completely our owo and about quality should be available on demand which we can be proud of. About anywhere in the country. They are now digital thin~ I answered a question in available in 1Jelhi and some other this House a few days ago and as 1 said places. We want this type of network then, we are going in 'for optical fibre to be established so as to cater to transmission which is again the latest banks, press and computer terminals. technology in the world. It is, just a wire like a hair. it is made of glass and light impulses travel along the Sir, a lot has been said about the light on that glass wire. Tiley are billing complaints, teiephones being out transmitted ~at a very fast pace. It has of order and other things. These a tremendous capacity comp:ued to the grievlnces and complaints are very real. normal run of cables. We want to As I trie1 to explain in the beginl\ing, adopt this as part of our. future the ml.in C3use is that our equipment development including its manufacture is imdequate, old and all types of in our own country. equipments are being used at the same time and to coordinate becomes 1 would like to mention in passing dIfficult. To give an example, recently the use that we make of the satell ite an exchange in Connaught Plac~ was communications. We have the INSAT- closed. It was 50 years old at that IB which is to be completely loaded to time. A new exchange has been started. the extent of 4000 channels by the end If this is the type of equipment we have of this year. Another satellite IC is iilherited, the system cannot work to going up. We would also have some the efficiency that we expect to have. spare capactty from that. We want to Theufore, these faults and complaints fully make use of the satellite com- occur. munications for reaching farther areas like the North-East, Andamans and Sir, overbilling is another thing. even the metropolitan centres wh~re all For overbilling as well as for attending these things are necessary. to other complaints we are streamlining A lot of things were mentioned our grievances procedure. Our Prime about the Telex service and the telex Minister is very keen that public ser- machines which are poorly maintained. vices should be responsive to public I readily admit that so far as telex wishes and demands. They have to development is concerned; we are really be answerable to the people whom they backward. That word is permissible. are expected to serVe. Taking cue from Because the type of machines that we what he wants to do, we are trying to 3s 1 Demands lor Grants VAISAKHA 3, 1901 (S.4K.4) (General) 1985-86 3S8 -Contd.

str eamline our existing grievances So. we are having some system of procedures and evolve 'procedures by incentives so that he could be encour- which a sort. of public relations aged. could be made to work and come approach would be adopted where regularly and not have absenteeism. people could put their things across the And in this, we have had discussions table. A mention was also made that it with the trade unions and we want to should be entered. It is already beiag secure your cooperation. As Members done aad followed up by our officers. of the House said, I have always I would not like to quote how many impressed upon our trade union friend,) calls are put through and what percen- that If this is the type of image we have tages fail becau;ie I am of the vie" that of our service, tben, there is not really even 1 per cent is sO swtstantial that much that we can enthuse ourselves we cannot take credit of... about or ev~n for their getting support for their own demands. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: We invariable Jail in that 1 per cent. Incidentally talking about mecha- SHRI RAM NIW AS MIRDHA: nisltion and other things we have For Hon. Members of Parliament, I am always consulted the union representa- trying to devise a system in consultat.i.on tives and would continue to do so in with the Parliam,nt Secretariat which any programme of modernisation of any would case the whole thing consider- type or computerisation that we want ably. The whole thing is that STD is to introduce. But it must be admitted there. When we use it or others use it that some induction of mechanisation on our behalf we do not know how including computerisation is absolute lY much time has gone by or how much necessary looking at the volume of wor k billing has gone through. But there are whether in the Posts or Telegraphs complaints in respect of non-STD conside. Sometimes, particularly in the nectiolls as well. We are evolving a big cities, things g~t completely out of system that if there is a comPlaiot and hand and they cannot be halldled manu- if it is completely out of tune with ally in an efficic:nt way. So. we are al- what has happened in the last year ready feeling the strains and mechanisa- then we would ask the subscriber to tion or computerisatiori is gradually deposit an amount which could be half being introduced. Blt I call again cer- of the amount or even less and the tainly assure the House itself. There is remaining amount could be inquired no qu~stion of returenching anyone who into. Even for dis-connections we are is working in those areas. There is no trying not to dis-connect a telephone question of not consulting them. We without giving notice. We would like want to take them into confidence. The to see that every subscriber whom we aim should be on the part of the are pledged to serve would be trt:ated management and the people who work properly. with us (or their representatives) that we should both cooperate and provide Another thing that comes is that a service to the consumer which would there is large amount of absenteeism in really bring us credit as a nation, as an our exchanges. There is as much as organisation. It is agai'l with this idea 30-40 per cent absenteeism and it has to modernise the functioning that we b

SHRI RAM NIW AS MIRDltA: municipal ~orporatioD and various We have set up a Committee. If our authorities of water, Electricity etc. and experience in thi.. is good certainly Telepones. They cut the roadside in an Calcutta will be brought in. Now, Sir, indiscriminate way. Now we are having about Calcutta I can mention that we a short of a coordination committ ee are very keen to improve the services not only in Calcutta but in other places in Calcutta. I was myself there a rew a180, so that this problem is minimised weeks back; 1 had been to the Elect· But, then, to improve the services in tranic exchange. We have decided to Calcutta is very much on the cards and replace all exchange l~Des which are we have already started schemes as to more than 2S year old in a phased how it could be done. Fortunately the manner. Wc are keen. Wc have pro- trunk services which go from Calcutta blems in Calcutta. For example the to a large number of places are connec- streets are narrow. Particularly in ted through satellite and micro-wave. monsoon the cables get defective. It is much better thele days. We are again taking steps to improve this. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAB MUNSI (Howrak): Exchanges are One of the tasks in our 7th Plan very bad. is development of rural areas through satellite, wir;ies§ and through all the SHRIMATl paULRENU GUHA latest techniques available. We want to (Contai) ; Through you, I like to push it through because telecommunica - inform the Minister that in the last tion is not just an elitist luxury but it week end I was in Calcutta I tried to is a very important thiog in telepbone to different poeple. But I did any development programme; it not get any exchange except 46. I had is now being realised gradually. And to spend quite a lot of time to get with the assistance of the House and those telephone connections which I Hon. Members who have pleaded for wanted. substantial allocation to this sector I hope Planning Commission will respond MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: He and we will be able to do some things told you, some improvement is there. in this respect. There is a problem about some of the projects that were SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS anctioned for which building are ready MUNSI: Calcutta is horrible; you but they have not been commissioned. canDot get any telephone. There Clre certain States where the problem is that many projects were MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER : There started because I. T. I. could not actually is improvement; he has already assured. supply the items. But I will try to He said he is going to make some remedy the situation even by importing improvement in that. of certain critical items. We will certainly see that they all work. saRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA : I would like to say why the system 1~ Shrimati Bhandari spoke about bed. I will not give all the r!!asons. Sikkim and North-eastern region. It is There is theft of cables and of wir.!s really true. I was in Gangtok a few in plenty. We have asked State Govern- days back. There, the telex service and ment to set up a special squad for pastal and telephone services ard really checking it as same of the States have not satiaficatory at all and we are done. They say they connot doit. It trying to do whatever we can. As is taxpayers' money, and if it is not regards telephones, ther e is a 800-line their function. Let us not go into too exchange in Gangtok. One hundred much <'etail.. Their are lot of difficul- lines were added last year, that is in ties there. The streets al e narrow. 1984·85. Now, the total capacity is There is no coordination betw~eD 900. We want to increase this by at ~6 i J),manJs for Grants VAlSAI{ItA 3, 1901 (SAKA) (General) 1985-86 362 -Contd.

least 200 lines more during the current year. We are hopeful that during the year and by this some relief would Pali will also have it. come. For the-Eastern region we have a very ambitious programme to cover Now. I can refer to some other tht North-Eastern States, particularly points regarding the postal service to with satellite network, what we call the which many Hon. Members showed a integrated digital network. We have lot of interest. Our Postal Service is the selected some 10 areas for this and 7 biggest in the world, in the geographi- areas are in the North-Eastern region. cal sweep. A number of post offices we We haye given a very high priority for have and we have a type of service the development of the region so that which other countries do not have_ We the communication could improve and really have a good system of postal the,. would be able to participate in service. It is the biggest postal adminis- the national mainstream. I can assure tration, if we can easily say so. We~ the House that Sikkim and all the have 1,44,000 POlt offices and we connected areas will be looked after employ 6 laeh people. Half of this and we will try to do whatever we can. number, that is, three lakh peop Ie are in E.D.P. Agents and the other three AN HON. MEMBER: Why are lakh people are reiular employees. the people kept for longer time at the same place? We haedle 1200 crOres of mail , it.:ms per year and it is a subsidised SHRI RAM NIWAS M[RDHA: service because we think:: tbat it has We have introduced a system of rotatio- some sort of a public service aspect nal transfer_ After a period of 4 to 6 also. Our defici t on this side in 1983- years, stay, I will try to transfer them 84 was Rs. 82 crores, in 198"-85, so that vested interests do not develop. Rs. 130 crores and this year it is Sir. something were mentioned about expect ed to be Rs. 183 crores. Many (he type of collaboration with the items are heavily subsidised, for USSR. In this connection. one example example, for a post card. we charge 15 is the Indo-USSR Troposcatter link paise, but to produce, band Ie and which we have installed. I am going to deliver a post card. it costs us 59 paise, examiue possibil Hies of obtaining and similar is the case with other things electronic telecommunication equipment also. One post cards, we subsidile to from the East-European countries, the extent of Rs. 40.85 crores, on letter particularly Hungary and of Cooperation cards, Rs. 28.63 crores, on regililtered with the Comecon countries. newspapers Rs. 14.99 crores, on registered articles Rs. 40.74 crores and on [Tranrlation] money orders R,. 25.59 crores. Our rates are very reasonable tbough they SHRI GIRDHARI LAL VYAS : have not been revised for a long time. Please tell somelhing about Bhilwara Our policy is to continue with this also. publi.! service aspect of the postal services and not to recoup all that we SHRI RAM NIWAS MISDHA: spend on this. We connot forget Bhilwara. Here agaiu, the question of [Engli.sh] automation comet, because in Bombay and other cities, the mass of mail that comes, one has to see to believe it. It We are getting a bUilding for a is littered all over and it is getting 2000-line crossbar ~xchange ready and physically impossible to handle it it will start working in a few years. A manually. So we have initiated an similar containerised exchange of 3000-' inquiry and we have asked our own Jines would be installed in Alwar this technical cousultants, which is a branch APRIL 23, 1985 (General) 1985-88 36. -Contd.

[Shri Ram Niwas Mirdha] Now, I come to the RMS side, of our own Department, a creation of about which a lot has been laid. Sort· our own Department to project a ing of the mall in the trains is abolished report as to bow sorting of mail can be mainly because our trains are getting mechanised, to start with, in Bombey faster and the time available io the trains for sorting is very limited and and in other big cities. these fast trains do oot have space also Another very important ,aspect of for sorting. postal working is the Savings Bank, about which many melllbers mentioned. SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY It It is a wonderful, system, reaching all is an exCUSe. the nooks and corners of the country. There are ·657 lakh Savings Baok SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA : accounts, that is six crOfes and fifty It is a very real excuse. Sureshji said seven lakh accounts and the small that we wanted to use buses instead savings holdings exceed Rs. 14,000 of the rail transport. It is not correct. crores. We are also graduilly getting Last year, we ordered 16 Railway into the bigger cities J:ke Delhi and mail coaches from the Railways .. This others in the direction of normal bank- time we are buying 15 morel. So, they ing channels like clearing faciliti.;:s. will be moving in Railways, because We have got them and our cheques etc., they are getting faster and better. are treated like any other bank cheques We pay R,ailways very well for hauling and they are cleared right there. That our mails. incidentally would involve having very special type of cheques because clearing But the RMS system was sort of operations are being mechanised and intloduced because it was getting they wanl to use computers and other impossible to have it in all trains. So, things. So we may have to go in for this was introduced as an alternative. special cheques. magnetised or some- Some people have become surplus to thing like that, so that we can join this the immediate needs. But there is no thing. We are making every effort by question of retrenching them. We have way of improvement of the printing of not even posted them outside. We are tbe pass-books and other types of so careful that they should not be services, to give a new oncntation to disturbed, least of all those who have our Savings Bank side because it needs been in those stations for maoy years. a lot of machanisation. We will not move them, unless it is absolutely necessary. Incidentally, Choubyji mentioned ahout the multi-storeyed buildings and SHRI N ARAY AN CHOUBEY: the problem that the postmen have to Are they working for 36 hours or 48 undergo in this regard. This is a hours? serious problem. We have been trying to compel the owners of these multi· SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: I storeyed buildings to have letter-boxes would not say that, because the working at the base/graund level, where the hours have remained the same. Some mail can be deliverod easily. But we reviews have been conducted to see how find that it is not possible and they are this system has been working. A couple not cooperating. We are prepared to of reviews were done, and we have amend the Jaw to make it compulsory been changing with experienCe; but on for the owners of the multi.storeyed the whole, it is not correct to say that buildings to provide letter boxes at the this bas led to delays, On the other ground level itself. It is a very serious hand, it has SPeeded up the mail. We problem and we will certainly try to do want to further improve the syst(!m, so something on this. that we can give a good services on the Postal side. 365 Demands for Grants VAISAKHA 3, 1907 (SAKA) (General) 1985-86 366 -Contd.

SHRI RAM SINGH Y ADAV : work, and a whole-time person could There is one difficulty. Suppose the not be appointed because of various mail is collected from Alwar from all economic reasons. So, he is not expec- the trains. If to-day is Sunday, tomor- ted to work for more than five hours, row is Monday. Even uplo Monday, this as such; and mostly, he works for much sorting work will not be complete. less than that. So, to equate him and his wages with others-there are no SHRI RAM NIW AS MIRDHA: wages, in the normal sense-is not There are all-night mailing stations, in correct. WI! have been revising his many places. In Krishanganj, the other emoluments from time to time. Even day I had enquired about all-night now, a committee is going into this. mailing. In Ajmer, they have had all- Mr. Savoor has been gl ven the task. night mailing. Mails are received of reviewing the whole thing, and doing something. from all stations all the night. They were sorted out in the morning, or at any odd hour when the traio was We also want to introduce some available. They were sorted out. So, incentives. Some complaints were made this question has again come before by hon. Members that they were not us, viz. that it should not lead to delay. working and not increasing the revenue, We would no, have done this, if this because they might then be displaced, were so. and a regular Postmaster might be appointed. So, there also, we wanted an incentive schemes, so that their Now about ban on posts. I share earnings could improve, because in some the feelings of Hon. Members that this of these places, for the last 15 years ban on posts should be relaxed so far the revenus or the amount of traffic has as the operational side of our activities not increased-which msans that they is concerned, because these are not are not serious about it, and they have normal, administrative posts on which not taken pains, to see that the mail we can save. We could not achiev.! our s.:.rvice is expanded. We wanted to Plan targets last year namely, for have some sort of.•. (Iuterruption) post offices because of the ban. We opened some of them; but since the ban was there, it Was just not possible to SHRI B. K. GADHVI (Banas- do so. And with the supP:Jrt that the kant ha) : They have to walk for 30 Kms. for doing ten minutes' work. Hon. Members of the House have given Perhaps your figuret are not correct. to this idea, I again will approach the Finance Minister. We are already in SHRI RAM NIW AS MIRDHA: I touch with him; and We will say that something should be done either to clearly say that they are oot expected exempt us or to accommodate our to work for more than five hours. developmental needs at least, to some extent in this re pect. We are conscious SHRI SURESH KURUP: They of it; and we will do that. are not expected to work, but they work. About E.D. employees, about whom Hon. Members have spoken, SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: there is a lot of misconception about If they work, and if there is enough this system, when we say that they do work for more than five hours, there not get the minimum wage. The whole are other norms for upgrading the idea seems to be that they are whole- whole thing. (Interruptions) We have time Government servants. They are been increasing their emoluments, Prof. not. The whole system has been intro- Ranga. You will be glad to know this. duced at places where there is not much Even now we have a committee to 367 Demands lor Grants APRIL 23, 1985 (General) 1985-86 368 -Coatd.

[Sbri Ram Niwas Mirdha] SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: revise their emoluments. We are con- The postal research centre is not meant scious of it. They are a very important for it. (Interruptions) Whether it is cen- part of our set-up. There is no quest ion sored 01' not, it is part of our legal system which we need not discuss right of treatin~ them in a casual manner now. We have some legal provisions in because the basis on which our rural that respect which may be invoked or services are maintain!d, they are doing may not be invoked; that is a different excellent work and we want to matter altogether. So far as our str~ngthent his system by giving research centre is concerned. to say incentives and other things .. that it is used for some sort of clandes- About commemorative stamps and tine activities of this nature is com- the welcome that was given to the idea pletely wrong. Our research centres, of having a freedom fighters' series in wherever they are, real research centres. this. we want to continue it next year. Somebody mentioned why don't you As regards the suggestions which an: 'write letters yourself. We do that; coming regarding inclusion in this almost in every route we have a system commemorative stamps series of all in which we send letters of our own to other freedom fighters or otherwise, a certain destination just to see bow will, we have a system and certain set of long they will take to reach there. norms. We have an Advisory Committee This is our research centre if you want which goes into this; and even other- to know about it. wise, we have tried to accommodate a SHRI SURESH KURUH : How lot of suggestions in th~t respect. So, it been manned by Intelligence Bureau whatever the Hon. Members have people of the Home Department? suggested we would have a relook at them. PROF. N. G. RANGA Why not? There is so much CIA business SHRI NARA Y AN CHOUBEY; here in our country. What abl)ut thl! parallel department run by the parivate companies? SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY: SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA Why should it be ? There is nothing like that parally service. It is illegal to have a SHRI B. K. GADHVI Why services of that nature. We could it be? have caught some people. We have \lroceeded against them Ilnd "Ye are SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: going to be strict on that. There is no Mr. Panigrahi raised lot of problems question of running a parallel a about Orissa. Well, Orissa is not tbat service. We want our service to be the badly served at least in respect of staff sale service in this connection. quarters. The all India averdge is 6 per cent; in Orissa, it is 13 per cent. As SHRI SURESH KURUP : What regards the colonies, there is a. real about the postal research centres ? problem and he told me about it and I 369 Demands for Grants VAISAKHA 3, 1907 (SAKA) (Genera/) 1985-86 370 -Contd.

made an enquiry. They ar~ getting of the members of the House, we do 50.000 gallons per day. hope that we would be able to give a pal ticuJar level of service ie the P&T SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY: Department which would do credit to Orissa Government is not getting it. our country.

SARI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: 17.00 brs. they have inherited a bad system. In Orissa. also we are trying to see that MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I everything works well. shall now put all the cut motions to the Demands for Grants relating to the SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY: Ministry of Communications to vote together, unless any Hon. Member What about JCM ? desires that any of his cut motions may b~ put separately. SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: JCM has been meeting. It did not meet All the cut moti(lns were put and for the last two years. The first thing I neg_atived. did was, when I took over, to see that it must meet. But, there is some part MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER I of a valedictory meeting, because the shall now put the Demands for Grants Department got bifurcated. But they relating to the Ministry of Communica- did meet once and now the unions are tions to vote. reeonsidering whether to have one JCM The question is : or two; whether the confederation is made into one or they want to split "That the respective sums Dot along the department lines; they are exceeding the amounts on Revenue also thinking about it and We are Account and Capital . Account awaiting their reaction and in the light shown in the Fourth colUmn of of whieh we will now recast our JCM. the Order Paper be granted to the There are lot of things which the Han. President out of the Consolidated Members have mentioned which I may Fund of India to complete the not be able to reply, but I assure all of sums necessary to defray the them that whatever suggestions they charges that will come in course have given would be taken note of, of payment during the year ending would be acted upon; and once again in 31 st day of March. 1986 in respect the end 1 alsuTe the Hon. Memb~rs of the heads of Demands entered that all their difficulties including in the second column thereof excessive billing that they have men- against Demand Nos. 14 to 17 tioned would be looked into; we would relating to the Ministry of improve our system for dealing with Communications •., these things; we would strengthen our The motion was adopted. telephone Advisory Committee which we want to be really a repr;;'sentative MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I now body of the subscribers in the interest request the Han. Home Minister to of the public and with the cooperation make a Statement. 37 t St,atement on APRIL 23, 1985 Statement On 372 Ahmedabad Riots Ahmedabad Riots

17.02 brs. the newspaper reports and atatements of persons from the locality. This STATEMENT ON AHMEDABAD Committee consisted of two members, RIOTS namely, Shri P. P. Rathod, Secretary. Revenue Department of the State Government and Shri J. N. Bhatt, {EnC lish] Registrar of the Gujarat Higb Court. THE MINISTRY OF AFFAIRS The Committee was asked to submit (SHRI S. B. CHAVAN): Sir, report to the Higb Court in sealed The House is aware that since tbe cover not later tban 25th April, 1985. middle of February, 1985 disturbed Secondly. the High Court directed law and old;;r situation is prevailing in their Joint Registrar, assistl:d by the Ahmedabad and part of Gujrat. I bad Additional Registrar to arrange for made a slatement in tbe House on 21st taking photographs of the properties March. Very recently, on 18th Apri1 all eged to have been demaged. The I bad made another statement and petitioners were asked to furnish a list informed tbe House of the prevailing of places which such petitioners want to situation. I bad also expressed a hope have photographs to be taken. that all sections will contribute to the restoration of normalcy and ensure that The State Government was directed there is DO breach of peace in Ahmeda- to render all facilities in carrying out bad and elsewhere in the State. It is the two directions issued by the High unfortunate tbat despite steps taken by Court. the State Government to take concerted positive meas nes, the situation took a Earlier on 20th April. 1985 in serious tum on 22nd April. Khadia area, a determined mob of 1000 persons had indulged in pelting OD the police men on duty. The communal trouble that bad stom's Despite police urging the mob to go erupted Oil ! 7/18tb night was brought bilLk to their places and not to defy the under control by the morning of 18th curfew order> the mob insisted tbat April. The Chief Minister and his p,llice should not be present in their colleagues held discussions with var:ous area. On the same day, Le. on lOth sections of the society including repre· April, the Gujarat HIgh Court was sentatives of the various associations, moved by certain individuals of the j{',aders of opposition parties and other Khadia-Raipur area to restrain the political leaders, educationists, etc. A police flom using undue force against common appeal was issued by all women aDd from entering into tbeir conclTned on ! 9th April to call off t h,~ houses. It is reported that tbese agitation. Unfortun::tly, cert::in po~iti developments emboldened the people to cal leaders, alth~ugb their pany had insist complete withdrawal of the police subscribed to the common appeal, from their area. This demoralised tbe continued to engage in aciivities which police personnel and they became restive lead to intensifying the agitation. There and ~rted ass !mbling at one place. As were widl';-ranging alleg'ltions against soon as this was known, senior police the police. officers urgsd the police to go back to their duty points which tbey did almost In the me, ntimc on 20th April, the immediatly. However, as a precautio- High Court of Gujarat gave two nary measure, the Commissioner of directtons in order to ascertain the Police decided to deploy Army in veracity of the contents of certain peti. Khadia and Raipur area following tions moved before the High Court. which most of the police personnel Firstly, a committee of two members were withdrawn from that area. was appointed to hold a discreet enquiry into the incidents which had been It is with deep regert that I have to averred in the petitions as well as into inform tbe House that while carrying 37 3 Statement Dn VAJSAKHA 3, 190Y (SA](A) Statement on 314 Ahmedabad Riots AhmedabatJ Riots

out the directions of the High Court on an appeal to the police men to go back 22nd April, 1985 a grave incident took to their duties. Simultaneously. Home place. A team consisting of Additional Minister and the Director General of Registrar. and Joint Registrar or the Police also appealed to the police men. High Court accompanied by a photo· The DGF and the Commissioner of grapher, tbe petitioners and the repre- Police of Ahmedabad city and other sentative of the State Government senior officers moved from police station .visited Raipur and Kbadia areas of to police station persuading the police Ahemdabad city for taking photographs meo to go back to tbeir duties. All of the property alleged to have been these conciliatory efforts were able to damaged. At about 11.00 hour~, a bring tbe police men on duty by 19.00 hostile crowed collected. in the area. heurs on 22nd April.

When the team reached Raipur gate, _, the crowed following tbe team attacked Following withdrawal of tbe police ooe head-constable and one Home from duty; tbe State Government took Guard with lethe\ weapons, The Head- a decision to strengthen tbe Army Constable succumbed to injuries imme- reinforcements and move the same to the diately. Tbe Home Guard was also riots effected same areas in the city. Very seriously injured. promptly tbe Army took positions in all the areas badly affected by violence. The death of the head-constable The Army had been called in to assist compounded by adverse reporting io the civil authority and information giVen Press on an earlier decision of the out by certain news agencies tbat Judical Magistrates' Courd restraining Ahmedabad city was handed over to certain pol ice offices from entering into Army is completely incorrect. Raipur and Khldia areas bad deeply burt the feelings of the police force It bas been reported tbat the High which WilS already demoralized. With Court has since suspended till 25th this background, it would now appear April, the action on the directions and that the visit of the team appointed by the matters would be reviewed by the the High Cpurt during which the bead- Court on the ~6th April. Directions constable was dastard ly at tacked and regarding tbe movement etc. of certain kilJed lead to outbursts o. pent up police officials in some specified areas feelings in the police force. The fUlleral have also been reportedly stayed! procession of the deceased head cons- suspended till the 29th April. . table was attended by large Dumber of police men. As the furonal procession I have said in the past and the moved on tbe police meo got restiVe House has shared our feelings tbat all and unfortunatly some of them violence must be condemned. AU sec- indulged in acts of arson, demage 10 tions of society and all political parties private properties. including vebicle~ must act in a way So as to contribute to on the road. The rremises of the the restoration of normalcy not only Gujarat Samacber Press and the in Ahmedabad but throughout tbe Indian Express-the Jansatta Press State of Gujarat. There has generally were set on fire. Further. most of tbe been positivI.! response to the efforts of city unarmed police deserted their the State Government in this regard. duties and even the mobile police Although it is a ma tter of regert that wireless communication system was some individuals have continued to disrupted. indulge in activities which has vitiated the atmosphere. Although tbe press As soon as the death of the head- has been extremely cooperative yet constable was reported to the Chief there were highly exaggerated and Minister, be condemed the death and distored versions of the incidents in announced Rs. 1 lakh as relief to the some sections of tbe press. All this famil, of tbe deceased. He also issued coupled with dastardly act which took; 31; $tattment on APRIL 13, 1985 Stater:nent on Ahmedabad Riots Ahmedabad Riots [Shri S. B. Chavan] place during the course of implementing Minister, I had also suggested tbat the the Higb Cout's directives, perhaps led moment the Speaker had aonounced to a situation and behaviour by the that Home Minister will make a state~ policemen unbecoming of a uniformed ment, we took it for granted tbat the service. matter was already 00 the List of Business and we had given notice under I am sure, the House will join me Rules 194 and 193 tbat actually in condemening the action of the mob we take tbe statement of the Home which resulted in the death of the Head- Minister iota consideration' and proceed Constable and serious injury to a Home with the discussion. If you go through Guard. Wholehearted and very posi. the records, in the morning, the Speaker tive efforts must be made by all to ga:t had not rejected, be said, "I am not rid of the violence and to restore law barring the discussion but I will decide and order. Again I appeal to all on merits after the statemeet is made sections of the House and also the by the Minister". According to tbe Paess to co-operate in this task and rules, when the Minister makes a help to restore normalcy in Ahmedabad statement in the House, be has to pro- and other parts of Gujarat. vide a copy of the statement to tbe Speaker before he makes the statement. It is approved by the Speaker and then MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now the Minister is granted permission to we will take up item at serial No.6 ... make the statement. So, he is already in possession of the text of the state· (Interruptions) ment. By tbis time, knowing the seriousness of the situation, he must PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE have made np hlS mind. I would like (Raipur): Sir, in the morning both at to quote a pr ecedent. On 21st of 11 O'clock and at 12 O'dock .... ,. February, 1982. when the Nellie (Interruptions) messacre took place, at 11 O'clock I had demand~d the actual cancella tion MR. DEPUTY.SPEAKER: Please and suspension of Question Hour. The

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Please MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: You sit dowo, I want to reply. Unless all give fresh one •••••. of you sit down, I would oot allow any Members to speak. (Interruptions)

(Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: If it is PROf. MADHU DANDAVATE: not in the List of BUSiness, I cannot Kindly don't take tbe imtructions from allow it now. If you want further Prof. Tewary; Sir, go through tbe discussion 08 this, please give ootice, I will consider record. it.

MR. DEPUTY ·SPEAKER: The PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Speaker had said that he will go I bad clarified this point in the morJ)ing through the statement and then and the Speaker bad accepted it ...... (Interrupliom). decide.

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You He bas gone through the statement' . give a new thing, I will consider it. (Interruptions). Without the Speaker Now only be bas made tbe statement. going through th~ statement, tbe Home You give a flesh notice. Minister cannot make it. That is the Rule of Procedure. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : My notice is already accepted. I am MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The told by tbe office that it is accepted. Minister has macle the statement. If you want any further discussion, please give MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Then a notice, I will consider it. I will speak to the Speaker about this. Yes, Professor Tewary, what do PROF. MADAU DANDAVATE: you want to say 1 We have alreadY given it.

MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER ; Give a PROF. K. K. TEWARY (Buxar) : notice based on the statement ...... Sir, I have only oDe point to make. The matter is very clear. Professor Dandavate and otber Membors had (Interruptions) placed their point of view before the Speaker. The Speaker, after hearing PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : them, gave his ruling that the Home Then you do not know the rules. Wheu Minister will make a statement and it is announced that the statemt:nt is after tbat he will consider tbis matter going to be made, It appears in the ~nd on merits, under t he rules, he will List of Business. From that moment, give his ruling whether a debate was the notice is considered to have becn necetisary and it is, I think, up to the given. I have alreddy given a notice in Speaker to waive his ruling. They the morning and I have told the Spea- cannot force a discussion now. The ker also that I have given it. Speaker bas never promised a discussion. MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER: The Minister has made the statement now. MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: I gave You ploase give a notice. the ruling. Please sit down, Mr. Tiwary. I bave told tbis already. I PROF. MADHU DANOAVATE: want members to be brief. Don't take l have already giveo. time. 3h Statement on APIUL 23. 19s5 Sttllement on 380 AlrmedalHHl Riots Ahmedabod Riots

SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MR. DEPUIY·SPEAKER: I have MUNSHI (Hawrah): In this House not allowed. Please sit down. there is:t practice, I am Dot quoting precedents, that any State law and (Interrupl!ons) order matters are not permitted to be discussed in the House. We bave been MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: Mr. wa tching th is pract ict'. Now. in t be Tewary, I have heard enough. context of Gujarat, the Opposition has demanded .•. (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I will MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Your come to you. Please sit down. statement is enough.

PROF. K. K. TEWARY: In SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS Tripura, the extremists have killed our MUNSHI: You have to listeD to security forces. me. You cannot stop me like this. I am a Member and I am within my right to speak. MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: I will come to you, please sit down. MR. DEPUTY ·SPEAKER : What (Interruptions) do you want to say? SHRr PRIY A RANJAN DAS (Interruptions) MUNSHI: The extremists are posing serious danger to the country's integrity SHRI PRIY A RANJAN DAS 00 the border. Why does not the MUNSHI: You cannot shout me out. Minister go there and make statement? If law and order in Gujarat is to be discussed in this manner, why not tbe (Interruptions) Home Minister goes to Tripura? This is a demand. I have a right to demand MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Un- like tbis. necessarily you are making troubJe. I request all of you to sIt down. What- MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: Please ever views you bave expressed, I have sit down. heard. Now I will take a decission. You cannot compel me like this. SRRI PRIY A RANJAN DAS MUNSHI : You cannot shout me down. SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA The Minister will have to visit Tripura (Bankura, : This is a State subject. The and West Bengal. If the Minister makes HOD. Minister bas made a statement. a statement like this, the Minister can. It is not enough. There hilS to be a not avoid tbis also. If you allow tbis, lhorugh discussion on tbat incident. tben he will have to go there. If the Opposition demands on Gujarat ques- MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I have tion, we can also demand on Tripura told you I will consider it. and West Bengal. SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: Are MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I am you admitting our notice or not. Dot allowioB you. Please sit dowD. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I witl SHRI pRJY A RANJAN DAS see. Please sit down. MUNSHI: I have a right to dCiDand like this. ~'1 Statqrent o.n VAISAKHA 3, 19,01 (SAKA) Statemnt 011 382 A.bTTl4dabad Riots A.hmedabad Riots

SH1U K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN mente Wbatever you feel, we will (Badagara) : Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, see. may I bave a clarification from you. You bad observed a little while ago PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: tbat tbis is not no the List of Business. The Chief Minister has no moral I do not understand it because the authority to continue when the police moment tbe Speaker announced that the bad become criminals in the State. Han. Minister will make a statement, the List of Business stands amended. So (Interruptions) you cannot take a position tike tbis. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSHI: No, you cannot say MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I that. want to clarify it to you. What he said was that after the Minister's ~tatement (Interruptions) he would consider it (In merit. That is all. He never accepted that thing. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: All of you may please sit down. SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : I have not completed. (Interruptions)

SHRI'NARAYAN CHOUBEY : He PROF. K. K. TEWARY: ... The said discussion would be allowed. How remark of Mr. Dandavate should be do you deny that? expunged. I (Interruptiom) SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: We are not discussing the law and order situation in Gujarat on a white MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I am canvas. We are discussing specific very sorry, I am repeatedly telling all issues which affected the minorities and the Members ro sit down aed raise depressed sections of the people as well their hands if tbey want to speak. as the breakdown which has forced the When I go on requesting like this, Central Government to send the Army nobody is following it. 10 the to assist the civil authorities. We are circumstances I cannot allow otbers to discussing that situation which is well speak. I am going to the next item oj within the competence of the House. the business. That is all I can do. I There is also the question of right to am very sorry, you people are taking the newspapers and the freedom of too much advantage of it. Nobody is expression. I am shocked to find from following that. the statement that there is not a word of condemnation that the Press has (Interruptions) been sel fire While be has widely condemned the action of the mob resulting in the death Of a Head Cons- MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I am table-rightly so-he bas not spoken a requesting once again. HOD. Members, word to condemn the setting on fire of if you are particular about discussing the Press. Therefore, this HOllse is this Gujarat mattt:r; if you want to fully conpetent to discuss this Issue. raise it, you give notice, I will consider This is why I say that you cannot take it. There is no further discussion. You • a, our right by saying tbat th is is give nollce. That is all • not in the List of Business. (Interruptions ) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: We cannot now discuss the Minister's statc- MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You 383 Statement on APRIL 23, 1985 Dema"dsfor Grants 384 Ahmedabad Riots (General) 1985. 86-Contd.

give notice, I will go tbrough it. Home Minister's statement. "Anything you want to say further OD this I will ([nle r,.upriom ) not allow. Nothing will go 00 record.

SHRI V. KISHORE CHANDRA S. (Interruption)" DEO (Parvatbipuram): We had given notice regarding Gujarat out of a MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I particular situation that had arisen. caD't allow. What do you want to Now tbe Home Minister's statement say? bas added nothing new to the situation that existed before he mad e the sta te- ment holds good. SHRI B. K. GADHA VI (Banas- kantha) : Sir, I want a clarification that MR. DEPUTY.SPEAKER: That despite the appeul made by all the cannot be delated now. You give Opposition Parties. whether it is BJP or Janata .... noice, I will allow. "'*

(Interruptions) ( Interruptlom)**

SHRI V. KISHORE CHANDRA S. MR. DEPUTY.SPEAKER: No- DEO: There is a complete breakdown thing will go on record. We will go to of cODsititutional machinery jn Gujarat, Item No.6. the Gavernment there has flaile I.

(Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Please sit down. I cannot hear any of you. 17.::4 brs. DEMANDS FOR GRANTS (GENERAL) (Interruptions) 1985-86-CONTD. REDDY SHRI S. JAIPAL [English] (Mahbubnagar) : This House is dis· cussing this issue because the constltu· (ii) Ministry of Defence- tional machinery in Gujarat has completely broken down. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAK3:R: The House will now take up discussion and (Interruptions) voting on Demands Nos. 18 to 23 relating to the Ministry of Defence for MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Please which 6 hours have been allotted. sit down. Mr. Reddy, you please sit down. Shri V. Sobbanadreeswra Rao has tabled cut motions to the Demands (Interruptions) for Grants relating to the Ministry of Defence. I would like to know if he is SHRI BAUSDEB ACHARIA: Mr. ! present in the House and desires to Deputy·Speaker, S'r, after the Home move his cut motions. Minister's statement, it is clear that the ••• (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA cannot allow you to discuss on the (Bankura): We want to know whether

**Not recorded.

>I< Moved with the recommendation of tho President. 385 D~mQmls lor G,01I1$ VAISAKHA 3, 1907 (SAKA) (G~n~,al) 1'85·86 38& --contd.

you are allowing a thorugh discussion Accounts and Capital Account sbown OD tbis subject. in tbe Fourtb columm of the Order Paper be granted to the President MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: Now, I will request Sbri Ayyapu Reddy to oat of the Consolidated Fund of initiate tbe discussion. India to complete tbe sums neces· sary to defray tbe cbarges tbat will (Interruptions ) come in course of payment during tbe year eDding 31st day of March, MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER : Motion 1986, in respect of tbe heads of moved: Demands entered in the second columm tbereo~ against Demand Nos • "Tbat tbe respective sums not 18 to 23 relating to the Ministey of exceeding the amounts on Revenue Defence." APRIL 23, 1985 (General) 1985·86 388 -ColJld.

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SHR.I BASUDBB ACHAR.IA: Sir, begioDinl. I would like to pay my we want a discus.~ioD. We want to know homage to tbose people, during the wbetber JOU are allowing a tborough last financial year, f(em tbe Defence discussion on this subject. Sir, we want services, who have laid down their lives aD assuraDCC ••• for the integrity and UDity of tbe country. As you know, in the lut year, we have undergone a ver, big tlJl'moil (Interruptions) and a large number of people have laid down tbeir lives in the best traditions MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please of tbe Defence forces. They not only give it in writing. I will consider it and saved the country from disintegration will let you know. That is all I can say. but without any consideration of caste, Mr. Ayyapu Reddy, please carryon. colour creed or religion, they saved the religion from the clutches of tbe extremists. It must go on record of this augst House tbat we have an institu- tion in tbe country which honours SHRI C. MADHAV REDDY: Sir, whatever principles have been laid down this is a very serious matter ...••. by our freedom fighters and by those people who bad made tbis couuh y what MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER: No. it is today, i.e. the country of which Now we have taken up the next item. we are aU proud of. I won't allow. No further discussion. I won't aJlow. At tbe very beginningt I would like to congratulate the Hon. Defence (Interruptions) Minister on sbowing awareness to the strategic needs of tbe Armed Forces and MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: We to ke~p tbe Defence forces at the higbest have already done it. That is aU. state of fitness and morale. We bave recently read in the Dewspapers the achievement of tbe indigenous produc- (Interruptions) tion of the Main Battle Tank, Ajmer. I hope and wish that in the Dear future, MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: No. the Light Fighter Aircraft which is also We have gone to the nelit it.m. in tbe pipeline, so far as production is concerned, will make its appearance. Nothing is more e:lciting tban to reply, SHRI C. MADHAV REDDY: We slow but sure progress. towards self- strongly protest and we walk out. (Interruptions) reliance and complete indigenisation. I hope that in times to come, a stage (Shri C. Madha~ Reddi and some will come when slowly we will get rid other Hon. Memberj than of tbe habit of importing things from left the Bouse.} outside so far as our Defence requirements are concerned. As you knowt Sir, we have to pay a very heavy price MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: Sbri and a very heavy exorbitant cost wbicb Ayyapu Reddy -not bere. we cannot afford keeping in view our meagre resources. Shri Ajay Mushrpn to initiate the discussion on the Demands for Grants There has been a margiaal increase under the control of the Ministry of Defence. in the Defence Budget for the year 1985-86 as compared to 1984-85. Tho increase is welcome. Some people from SHRI AJAY MUSHRAN (Jabalpur): tbe Opposition Beaches would like to Mr. Deputy.Speaker. Sir, at the very say that the increase is unwarao'od, " S91 IhnlMds lor Grant~ APalt 23.; 1985 (Generol) 198~·86 392 -Contd. (Shri Aja, MushraD] Some even go to the exteot of sayioa I would like to sUISest tbat tlle time tbat we are buyin8 equipment whicb is bas come that, like American, Britisb DOt very much reqaircd. whicb is not and other modern armies in tbe world, useful. wbicb il not appropriate and we do have a unified commaod of all tbat tbe Governmeot of India is not tbe three Services. The future wars proPer), controlJiDI various expendi- beiol total, intense and short-notice ture 8IId purchase. wars, all tbe tbree Services will be involved simultaneously and will be taking part in tbe operations. Tbere- My submission is. if we see at the fore, it is necessary tbat we bave a horizon of tbe country toJay. all around unified commond of tbe three Services. us. tbere are eitber seteliites or count- At tbe moment. we have a loose and ries who have been made to 80 by tbe ceremonial Chiefs of Staff Committee interest of big powers of the world. which may not be as modem as the Tbeir tbreat is increasing not only 00 Hoo. Defence Minister may llike it to land but also 00 air and, ver, recently, be. on 1IOa. It is, tberefore, very imperative for UI tbat we obtain modern arlBl. weapons. aircraft, sbips and. [ It is said that tbe future wars will woald Ute to go on record to say that, ce fougbt On the maintenaoce lines of if necessary even certain curtailment of command in the vulnerable areas, in developmental plans ,may have to be tbe areas from where tbe war effort is generated, the war effort is initiated reconsidered because nothing is more dear to us and tbe country tban our and in the lines of communications freedom. integrity and sQvereignty. through which these efforts will pass to Every time we think of our develop- tbe hands of people who fight. If tbat meot, it is not possible to have it till be so, we have got to have a very we maintain a higb standard of peace, broad-based logistic system. I even an element of safety. an element of wei- go to the extent cf saying tbat we may fare of tbe people and the sovereignty like to have a united logistic command. of tbe coul1tr)'. Hence, I pray and hope tbat tbe sovereilnty of tbe country Just as tbe chiefs of Staff of tbe will always come first. Army, Navy and Air Force, we may like to have a Chief of Logistics whicb is being tried and. tried very success· Now, although the achievements of fully both from the point of view of tbe Defence Ministry bave been v~ry economy and efficiency in certain laudable. I wish to make certain sug- Armies. gestions. As we know, since 1958, the Defence forces have increased three tImes in their size. But our basic As we all know, in the Budget of structure remains the same. In tbe 1985·86, a total of about 35% has modern world of warfare, tbe materials been earmarked for Stores and Equip- management and the logistic system ment. If that be so, it is very neces- will playa vcry important and big role sary that Rs. 15,000 erores or Rs. in times to come. As we all know, the 16,000 crores earmaked are spent in a future wars are going to be fought witb manner wbere Defence Forces get our great intensity at short notice and will requirements in time. in the correct not give us any time for the development quantity and to tbe correct forces. Un- of forces to which we are patterned at the fortunately J in the 1985-86 Budget, moment. It was long lines of maintenance very little is left for modernisation. of strategic defences and loog lines of There are certain amounts and grants commuuications wbicb necessiated us to earmarked for modernisation. But baYe repairs cover, and so on and so that is for the purpose of railways fortb in Second World War. So, tbere coaches and specialised means of con- il a need tbat we must modernise our veyance of various Defence Stores. I do p ..... not mean tbis when I say modernisa. 593 Demands/or Grant, VAtSAKHA 3. 1907 (SAKA) (G,neral) 198 j·'6 '~94 -Conld. twn. I mean modernising the Legis- At tbe moment, we have over 40 tics commend. of modernising the way Ordnance factories under the Dir ector we produce things, the way we control General of Ordnance Factories. This the production, tbe way we monitor the establishment has its inherent defects. production and the way we supply it When it was designed, it was designed to the Defence Services. to suit the conditions wbich prevailed nearly 200 years ago. In Calcutta, all the In the American Army, there is an factories were under DGOF. The capacity Army Material Command. As I say, of these factories, the industrial discipline there should be Logistics Command or and peace of each factory has played a there should be the Cbief of Legistics major negative role in production. I and this Army Material Command in have first-band knowledge that there is the Amerkan Army has the Director- certain idle capacity of production General of Ordnance Factories. SUpply which is not shown. Tbeir actual capa- and Disposals, and Movement. and the city to produce, what they are targeted Director General of Inspection; and to produce in a particular year and the Director General of Technical what tbey produce, is not commensu- Development. altogether under one rate with one ano~her. I would very Head. much request tbe Hon. Defence Minis- ter to get this point explored With a view to maxlmlsmg the capacity of We are at preseot following the same these factories and increasing p.oduc- system which we were following when tion. the Britishers were rulling us. It has certain inherent drawbacks and these So far as industri al peace and disci- drawbacks are as we.J-known to the pline is concerned, as YOU will know Hon. Minister of Defence as to any· the foundation is laid from bottom to body e se because at the moment tbe top. but discipline is maintained from Ministry of Defence controls all the top to bottom. I Would suggest that levels of strategic requirements but the best Way to maintain discipline and when it comes to getting involved in in industrial peace is by example. There monitoring. expl.diting and recelvmg. should not be two sets of examples : it is left to the respective Services. one, those who are in the good books There are nearly 12-13 lakhs of items and the other, those who are not in the which are required by the entire De- good books of management. I wou Id fence Services and there are cerlain even suggest to the Defence Minister items which are obsolete and obsole- that a work study be done and every scent and surpulus to the requiremen. of factory under tbe DGOP should be Service. There is no inter- and intra- exposed to tbe work-study by specialised action 80 far as the three Services are people. Then you will come to know concerned. If the entire gambit of where the lacunae are, where the ineffi- production and supply comes under on~ ciency in production lies. Head, it will case the production. It will get on the same net betWeen tbe Now I come to the question of ex· producers monitors and the Defence servicemen. which is very close to our Services. At the moment. the Ministry hearts. We all know that at. the of Defence is a very distant witness to moment we have got about four lakh the entire exercise which ultimately ex-servicemen who are yet to be em. results in non- availability of very com- ployed and ever, year we are adding mon user items which are readily avail- 60,000 defence personnel who become able in tbe market and are bought later ex-servicemen. on througb local purchase at exorbitant and sky·high prices. This can very On ,4th May. 1984-1 am vcry glad well be avoided if we have a unified and I must congratulate the then Minis- logihtics approach. ter of State, Shri K. P. Singh Deo-a 395 JN1I1ImIh for Grants (Genera/) 1985-'6 396 -Contd.

[Shri Ajay Musbran] not carried out, whose fault is tbis? Is it the fault of the ex-servicemen or reply was given by tbe HOD. Minister is it the fault of the State Govern- of State for Defence : ments? Can't we, with a little more deliberation, with a little mJre persua- "As censu' has not been carried siveness, make the State Governments out so far in all the States, accurate come to an understanding to ensure figures regarding the total number implementation of t be Centre's direc- of ex-servicemen in the country are tive ? Wherever these people were to be not available. However, on the absorbed whether in the State Govern- basis of available information, it is ment or in the Central Government or estimated that there are approxi- in the pu"lic sector undertakings, if mately 40 lakh ex-servicemen in the they had really been taken, then the country. The exact fig'lres of ex- problem would have been solved a long servicemen Jawans and ex-officers time ago. It was only in 1984, when are also not available separately. this question was asked and the ques. However, the approxima,e number tion was covered in the paper. that of officers and jawans is estimated something started was being done. to be about 70,000 and 39,30,000, respectively. ,. There is another question which was answered on 20th March, 1984. This is coo.>equently published in Oile of Th~ approximate number of ex-service- the papers from Chandigarb. the men at the end of 1981 was 38.47 Tribune, on 4th May-and 1 quote: lakhs. After a little bit of effort, [ must cODgratul~te tbe Hon. Minister "The Committee bas been asked -quote tbe repJy :

"The number of ex servicemen As we all knoW, there Was a high- re-emplo:ycd through Employment powered Committee fl)T ex·servicemcn's Exchanges during the period from welfare organised uud~r Shri K. P. 1.11961 till 31.12.198! is about Singh Deo. 2 7 lakhs."

"The Committee has been asked to submit its final report to the That is, in 20 y;)ars you could &bsorb Government by September this year. only 2.7 lakhs ex-Servicemen. At this The fact that Mr. Singh Deo him- rate it will take 40 years to clear the self does Dot know bow many of back-log. tbe 3S lakh ex servicemen need rehabilitation indicates the casual PROF. N. G. RANGA: Many of attitude of the authorities to the tbem must have died in the meantime. issue. All that the Minister could say was tbat a majority of the SHRI AJAY MUSHRAN : Again nearly 55,000 defence personnel tb~re is "reply on ex-Seraicemen wei. wbo reti:e each year required State fare and absorption in various jobs assistance. However, tbe Union which was given on 18 January) 1985. Government is not tbe only guilty 1 quote: party. Most StateI' t() worse: they simply ignore the Central guidelines on the rebabilitation of ex-service- "These connected efforts have mea." resulted in the placement of as many as 18,1S98 ex-servicemen in This is exactly what [ want to high- employment during tbe balf year light. If the Central Government's January - June, 1984. (As reports directions to the State Governments tare from some areas had not been received 391 Demtmtls lor Grants VAISAKHA 3, t 907 (SAKA) (Genua/) 1985·16 398 -Contd.

the actual figure is likely to be jawan. There have been caSes when higher.) When compared witb the courses have been cancelled oec8use full year aebievement of the pre- youngmen are Dot coming in good vious years (1981 : 16,639, 1982: number to become an officer or to 17,439 and 1983: 29,629), the become a jawao because he looks at bis year 1984 would appear to sbow father, he looks at his uncle or cousin considerable improvemen t." who has retired and v.ho is made to run from pillar to post. That is the time when he needs to be protected. There I think the Hon. Minister deserve our are various armies who have a golden congratulations for whatever is being hand-shake waiting for ex-servicemen. done, but it is not enough. I personally They have different approacbes and I suggest that if each member of this am sure with the approach which is House decides to send one child to the taken by some of the countries and Army. I think it will be a better way which is being taken by us with a of settlement of ex·Servicemen than aoy little more impetus given to it not other method. only by the Defence Ministry which can absorb in a very large number on tbe The·re are chances that the ex- ordnance factories but by the public seviceman is lost sight of because of sector undertakings and various other var ious activities going on at the Ministries like Commerce, Industry and .nationa I level. But one should not Agriculture, we can do a better job • forget that a recruit Ot a gentleman You cannot get a more disciplined force cadet who joins at the tbe age of 15-18 anywhere in the country to·day-60,OOO and serves for about 25 to 30 years, people every year. when be comes out as an officers is about SO and when he comes out as a I would give in the end certain jawan, is about 35 to 40. He has led suggested places where ex-servicemen sucb a disciplined life that when he can be usefully employed and ao cernes back to the civilian milieu- atmosphere created. We have presently pardon my saying that-he do~s not fit a very fine army of which we are proud into the chatoic environment. And that of various times. The defence force have is the time when you require the ex- proved that io spite of inferior serviceman to be protected and that is armament and equipment and circum. the time when you can make use of this stances. we have beaten our enemy well-disciplined~ dedicat ed, honest and decisively always and every time. It is ful-of-nationalism force which can be the men behind the gun who matter employed anywhere you like. There is aod not tbe gun. a person who has passed Higher Secondary. He goes into the Indian Military Academy, serves the Army and Sir, I give the following sugge~tions retires as a Major G eneml. When be for emj)loyment avenues which can comes out he is still a Matriculate. be considered not only by the Defence When he goes for employment. all be Minister but also by a II Ministers who can quote as his qualification is his can give a hand in this laudable contri- loyalty, integrity and hard work which bution towards settling the ex- goes not pay in the long ruo. You servicemen. know that. I would, therefore, suggest that a very concerted national level (1) They can be eMp toyed as approach is to be adopted. It is not various security guards in banks and ooly for the Ministry of Defence which other State·owned financial agencies. is doing a very laudable job so far as (2) Fix reasonable percentages of dealer- ex-servicemen for concerned. Now the ship of cerncnt, steel, clothing, food exserviceman insatisfactory welfal'e is items, petrol, oil, lubricants, cooking directly connected with the poor gas, fertilizers and pesticides and such stuff we are getting as an officer or as a like items. (3) Allotment of vehicles 399 Demands /0' G,ant, .APlUL 23, 1985 (Gene1'tJ1) 1985-86 400 -Con/d. [Sbri Ajay Musbrsn]

sucb as lorries, trucks, auto-rickshaws mot berland of ours. They bave taken aod tempos at maaufacturers' price to our mJther from us-Mrs. Indira ex-servicemen uoder self-employment Gandhi and they have now an eye on 5cbeme. Even disposal service vehicles our land. They have seen that so long be gi,ven to elt servicemen on conces- as our mother is there DO one can set sional rates for selfemployment basis. eye on this country. Therefore. their (4) Allotment of government wastelands target was first our mother and they. for forestation and collective farming to unfortunately. have succeeded in taking ex-servicemen. (5) Allot plots for away our mother. Now. to protect construction of houses by ex-servicemen our lands. our defence policy has to be in Cantonments. This will also stop remodelled. forcible occupation and encroachment of Cantonment lands by local inhabitants. Tbis aspect bad been considered As far as Kasbmir is concerned and but it requires to be considered Goa is concerned. from where I come, again. (6) Reservation in admission to- in botb these place" these powers tried wards of ex· servicemen in schools, to sec that these two pieces of land colleges and teChnical institutions. (7) which belong to our country. do Dot get Final settlement of all claims and annexed to it. They wanted to keep pensionary benefits by Defence Accounts them separate from the country. But Officer witbin three months of going on their designs were not successful. pension of jawans and silt months of Ultimately Ka~hmir and Goa formed officers' cases. (8) Erce legal aid. (9) part and parcel of India. Ba nks loans on liberalished interest rates. (10) M!s. Praga Tools Ltd. are As just now said by my learned not following government rules regard- colleagues bere. it is the interests of ing fixing pay of ex-servicemen servicemen which are to be seen first. pens ioners on re-employment. Payment Unless their mora'e is strong we cannot of LTC must also be made by tbem. have a strong force whether it is army, (11) Free rail travel for wife and navy or air force. Because. it is tbe husband once in two years to respective men behind the guns which matter. Regiment/Corps Centre or to any When they are about to retire. their place eq'ual to same distance. prbblems start. They see how tbey will clothe their children. bow tbey will I am very very grateful to you, Mr. provide food for their children. etc Deptuy·Speaker. for gi,iog me ibe These tboughts come into tbe mind. It opportullity to speak more than what is during the last few years of (beir was schedUled. retirement tbat unfortunately tbere is possibility that their services may get SHRI SANTARAM NAIR (Panaji) : affected. This problem shOUld not Mr. Deputy.Speaker, Sir, India is remain as far as our persons who come emerging as a great force in this world from service forces are concerned. and all the eyes are set towards this 60,000 servicemen approximately retire country. Therefore certain powers are per year. The backlog it bas been said out to de-stab lise this country. There is more than 4 laths today. Hardly are several examples that we have seen even one-fourth of these people get during the last course of several years employment. This is the situation. how the eyes of certain powers are set Here I would like to specify tbat tbere on this country. It is in this ligbt that are cases where after retirement certain our Defence policy bas to be re- officers get employed with private firms. modelled and re·set. J learn. tbere is a ban for a particular number of years. But it bas to be extended for a period or 5 years. They do not want this motberland But the defence personnel in general of ours to be strong, to be powerful bave to be employed suitably at proper and united. They have an eye on tbis placos. 401 DemandJ 10' Grants VAISAKHA 3, 1907 (SAKA) (General) 1985·86 402 -Contd.

As far as modernisation is concerned Hon. Defence Mmister to taken I know our Defence Minister is well into consideration. aware of it. We need not say in so many terms that there should be PROF. N. G. RANGA (Guotur): modernisation. But what I say is tbis. It bas to be explored. Defence should be modernised to such an extent that even if we presume cases 18.00 hrs. of atomic wars in such cases also, we SHRI SHANTARAM NAIX:: As have to see whether we have got tanks far as cammu[]ication is concerned, and other weapons and various other there is.an electronic boom now; it is things to face the atomic war. We this electronic boom and the electronic have to go even to Ihat extent presum· machines which have got to be used, as ing that atomiC wars are there and far as communications are concerned. In we have to face them. In such circum· defence, it is the first and foremost stances we have to see whether we have thing, that this electronic system should got weapons and other things to face be used as far as communication is them. concerned. AI tbe same time, it is a sensitive areas and we have to see to it There are a few other important that there is no leakage of any cl!lssi- points wh:ch [ would like to make now. fled documents and no documents of Today we see certain incidents in important defence n ·'ture go out of Ahmedabad and other places. We have our hands, to the detriment of our seen in many parts that our army had national security. This has to be to look after our internal law and strictly followed taking into account the urder problems. This has to be past examples in civil and other cases. curtailed in tbis sense that a force, equivaleent to the army, has to be Lastly. I would like to make one erected in this country. The p ~ople important submission. Sir, tbere are who fight 00 the borders should not be demands from various sections to in· made to look after law ond order situa· crease tbe regiments based on caste, tion. You may have a force equiva- region, etc. like Andhra regiment, lent to the army. You may call it by any Harijan regiment, etc. I would appeal n3me; an equivalent force to the army to you, Sir, that such regiments should has to be created. Because, sometimes, not be considered under any circum- we see in riot-hit areas people tbrowing stances. On the contrary, if possible, stones at army people, people throwing the existing regiments based on caste missiles at army people. These are the and regions should be abolihsed. very people who fight on the borders. Miscreants should not throw stones or 18.01 brs. missiles against them. So, army people The Lok Sabha then adjourned till should not be made to go to such Ele,en 0/ the Clock on Wednes· places. Even where it IS needed, an 24, equivalent force, which is not called day, April 1985!Va/sakha 1907 (Saka). Army must be created. That is the substantive point which I would like tbe

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