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Sergt. Emmett R. Harris, Troop L, Eighth Cavalry, United The SPEAKER. The Chair is of the opinion that the printing States Army, to be second lieutenant, September 23, 1901. of a report in the RECORD under the proceedings of either House Frederick E. Gignoux, of Nevada, late first lieutenant, Eleventh is a compliance with the rule recently adopted. Cavalry, United States Volunteers, September 23, 1901. Mr. BURTON. I further give notice that I shall seek to bring Guy B. G. Hanna, of Iowa, late sergeant, Company D, Porto Rico up this report for action to-morrow. . Regiment, United States Volunteer Infantry, September 23, 1901. Mr. PAYNE. Mr. Speaker, a parliamentary inquiry. George P. Hawes, jr., of Virginia, late private, Company A, The SPEAKER. The gentleman will state it. First Cavalry, United States Volunteers, September 23, 1901. Mr. PAYNE. Referring to the conference report on the river Andrew W. Jackman~ of illinois, late private, Company F, First and harbor bill, I suppose that unless the House takes some action illinois Volunteers, September 23, 1901. the r eport will be printed in the RECORD of to-day's proceedings. George L. Wertenbaker, of Virginia, late sergeant, Company I suggest to the gentleman from Ohio that he obtain unanimous D, Third Virgin.ia Volunteers, September 23, 1901. consent. Richard P. Winslow, of Mississippi, late corporal, CompanyF, The SPEAKER. The Chair held that the report having been First Tennessee Volunteers, September 23, 1901. printed in the proceedings of the Senate, that would be a compli- . Oaval1--y Arm. ance with the new rule. The gentleman from Ohio has filed the Hamilton Bowie, of .Alabama, late first lieutenant, Fortieth In­ statement for the pm~pose of having that printed. fantry, United States Volunteers, February 2, 1901. Mr. PAYNE. The statement and not the 1·eport. Thomas E. Cathro, of Indiana, late corporal, Company D, One The SPEAKER. Not the report, that having been printed hundred and fifty-eighth Indiana Volunteers, February 2,1901. already. The statement of the House conferees is as follows: Infantry Arm.. The managers on the part of the House at the conference on the disagree.. .Algernon E. Sartoris, of the District of Columbia, May 22, 1902. ing votes of the two Houses on the amendments of the Senate to the bill Charles A. Hurit, of New Hampshire, May 22, 1902. (H. R.l.2346) making appropriations for the construction, repair, and pres­ Leo B. ·Dannemiller, of Ohio, May 22, 1902. ervation of certain public works on rivers and harbors, and for other pur­ poses, submit the following written statement in explanation of the changes Harry Griffin Leckie, of Virginia, May 22, 1902. proposed by Senate amendments, 207 in number, and of the effect of the ac­ Claire R. Bennett, of Washington, May 22, 1902. tion recommended in the conference report published in the RECORD of the Charles Wells, of P ennsylvania, May 22, 1902. Senate proceedings forMa~ 28, 1902, on each of said amendments, namely: (In amendments describmg items for expenditure upon J.>rojects not in the Robert 0. R agsdale, of Tennessee, late fu·st lieutenant, Thirty­ House bill the word "appropriation" is used. In case of mcrease of House seventh Infantry, United States Volunteers, February 2, 1901. items the word "addition" IS employed.) Augustus F. Dannemiller, of Ohio, late private, Company I, No.1: Breakwater, Mount Desert to Porcupine Island, Maine: Appropri­ ation of $25,(XX); Senate recedes. Eighth Ohio Volunteers, February 2, 1901. No.2: Bucksport Harbor, Maine: ApJ.>ropriation of $20,(XX); House concurs. MEDICAL OFFICER OF VOLUNTEERS. No. 3: Little Harbor, New Hampshire: Appropriation of S13,(XX); House concurs. Francis J. Bailey, of Oregon, contract surgeon, United States No.4: Hendersons Point, near navy-yard, Portsmouth, N.H.: Appropria­ Army, to be assistant surgeon, United States Volunteers, with tion of $749,(XX), cash and authorization; Senate recedes. the rank of captain, May 26, 1902. Ho~e ~:0~~~ Bay Harbor of Refuge, Massachusetts: Verbal amendment; No.6: Harbor at Manchester, Mass.: Appropriation of $5,(XX); House con­ POSTMASTERS. curs. James P. Fitch. to be postmaster at Morgantown, in th.e county No.7: Cohasset, Mass.: Addition of Sll,(XX); Senate recedes. of Monongalia and Stat~ of West Virginia. No.8: Scituate, Mass.: Appropriation of $15,(XX); Senate recedes. No. 9: Plymouth and Provincetown, Mass.: Deduction of $5, 700; House John P. S. Fenstermacher, to be postmaster at Kutztown, in concurs. the county of Berks and State of Pennsylvania. No.10: Provision for certain examinations; Senate recedes, provided for William Goodin, to be postmaster at Farmington, in the county elsewhere. No. 11: Point Judith Harbor of Refuge, Rhode Island: Appropriation of of Van Buren and State of Iowa. $100,000; House concurs, with verbal amendment. . Giles P. Lecrenier , to be postmaster at Moodus, in the county No. 12: Harbors of refuge at Block Island and Great Salt Pond, Rhode Is· of Middlesex and State of Connecticut. land, and entrance to Point Judith Pond: Addition of 15,000 for Block Island; House concurs. ApJ.>ropriation of $60,(XX) for Great Salt Pond; House concurs John W. Wilson, to be postmaster at Del Norte, in the county in $50,000. Appropnation of $15,000 for Point Judith Pond; Senate recedes. of Rio Grande and State of Colorado. Provision for surveys retained as in House bill. Harry L. Bras, to be postmaster at Mitchell, in the county of No. 13: Milford, Conn.: Addition of $10,(XX)· House concurs. ... Nos. 14 to 18, inclusive: Mattituck, N.Y.: Appropriation of 10,(XX); Senate Davison and State of South Dakota. recedes. Appropriation of $10,000 for Sag Harbor; House concurs, with an Joseph A. West, to be postmaster at Provincetown, in the amendment grouping Sag Harbor with other harbors on Long Island. county of Barnstable and State of Massachusetts. No.19: Buttermilk Channel, New York Harbor: Appropriation of$200,000; House concurs in $90,000. Thomas A. Hills, to be postmaster at Leominster, in the county No. 20: Raritan Bay, New Jersey: Verbal amendment; House concurs. of Worcester and State of Massachusetts. · No. 21: Curtis Bay, Baltimore Harbor, Maryland: Appropriation of $50,000 .Alexander Y. Jones, to be postmaster at Renovo, in the county cash and $146,000 authorization; House concurs . No. 22: Harbors and rivers on the easterly shore of Chesapeake Bay, of Clinton and State of Pennsylvania. Maryland: Addition of 14,000; House concurs . . Rueben K. Sawyer, to be postmaster at Wellesley, in the county No. 23: Cape Charles City, Va.: Addition of $10,000; House concurs. of Norfolk and State of Massachusetts. No. 24: Charleston Harbor, South Carolina: Authorization for the expend­ iture of unappropriated balance of amount heretofore authorized for former Olive L. Stauffer, to be postmaster at Gladbrook, in the county project; House concurs. of Tama and State of Iowa. No. 25: Inland waterway between Charleston, S.C., and opposite McClel­ lanville: Appropriation of $50,000; House concurs. · No. 26: Brunswick Harbor, Georgia: Addition of $25,000; House concurs. No. 27: Brunswick Harbor Georgia: Formal amendment; House concurs. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. No. 28: Biscayne Bay, Florida:1 Appropriation of $150,000 cash\ also $466,667 authorization; House concurs in $50,(XX) cash and $250,000authonzation. ]fONDAY, June 2, 1902. No. 29: Key West, Fla.: Formal amendment; House concurs. No. 30: Pensacola, Fla.: Designation of width of channel; House concurs. The House met at 12 o'clock m. Prayer by the Chaplain, Rev. No. 31. Pensacola, Fla.: Addition of $25,(XX); Senate recedes. No. 32: Mobile Bay, Alabama; Authorization to expend $5(),(XX) upon chan­ HENRY N. COUDEN, D. D. nel through outer bar; House concurs. The Journal of the proceedings of Thursday, May 29,1902, was No. 33: Biloxi, Miss.: Appropriation of 10,000; House concurs. read, con-ected, and approved. No. 34: Calcasieu River, Louisiana: Addition of $40,000; House concurs. Nos. 35 and 36: Sabine Pass, Texas and Louisiana: Change in phraseology; RIVER AND HARBOR APPROPRIATION BILL. House concurs in No. 35 with an amendment, and Senate recedes from Mr. BURTON. Mr. Speaker, I present a conference report No. 36. upon the bill (H. R. 12346) making appropriations for the con- Se~ieS:~~':~s River Channel and Dock Company: Addition of $400,000; struction, repair, and preservation of certain public works on No. 38: Galveston Harbor: Provision for turning basin; Senate recedes. rivers and harbors, and for other purposes. I also present the Nos. 39 and 40: Galveston Harbor: Authorization for change in plan of south jetty; House concurs. statement of the House managers. No. 41: Galveston Channel, inner harbor: Appropliation of $2(lO,(XX) cash, A parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Speaker-- also 400,(XX) authorization; House concurs in $100,000 cash and $200~,000 author- EAKER Th tl f Oh' ts th tat ization, with change in designation of the improvement to be maae. The SP · e gen eman rom 10 presen e s e- No. 42: Amendrilent directing examination of property of the United ment of the conferees on the part of the House on the river and states; House concurs. harbor bill, which will be printed in the RECORD in accordance No. 43: Ashtabula Harbor, Ohio: Addition of $65,000; House concurs. with the rule. No. 44: Cleveland Harbor, Ohio: Verbal. amendment; substitution of an- other paragraph. Mr. BURTON. I desire to m-ake a pai·liamentary inquiry. No. 45: Huron, Ohio: Addition of $15,000; House concurs. The SPEAKER. The gentlemen will state it. No. 46: Saugatuck Harbor, Michigan: Additional authorization of $135,000~ .RTON Th f rt · 'te 1 · d House concurs in $100,000. . Mr · Bu · .e con .erence repo IS qui vo unnnous an No. 47: Marquette, Mich.: Authorization for expenditure of part of appro- ~t has already been pnnted m the ~ECORD of the Senate proceed- priation on Presque Isle breakwater; House concurs. mgs of Wednesday, May 28. I desrre to ask if it is necessary to N~~- 48 and 49: Menominee_l~arbor and Ri_ver, 1\fichigan and Wisconsin; repeat the printing of that report which is exactly the same ex- Additwn of $00,000 and recogm~on of new ~roJect; Ho"!lse conc_ll!'s. _ · hi h h ' f h nf · ' 1 No. 50: Ahnapee, Port Washmgton, and Oconto, WLs. : Add1t10n of $5,(XX); cept t h e ord er In w c t e names o t e co erees are signed. House concurs, with the addition of a. formal amendment. _ 6190 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. J UNE 2,

No. 51: Sheboygan Wis.: Formal amendment; House concurs. No. 113: International Commission: Great Lakes and tributary waters: Nos. 52 and 50: Dcl.uth, Minn., and Superior, Wis.: Deduction of $75,000, Ii~~~~g~c~.:~-<>Unt for compensation and expenses from $25,000 to $20,!XX>; and omission of provision for a dredge; House concurs. No. 54: Warroad Harbor and River, Minnesota: Appropriation of $45,000; No.114: VerbJ.l amendment; House concurs. House concurs. No. 115: Grand River, Michigan: Addition of $25,000 and change of limit of No. 55: Oakland Harbor, California: Addition of $868,203 authorization; improvement; House concurs. House concurs in $150,000. No.ll6: Sti·ikes out IJrovision for Miller Bay, Wisconsin; Senate recede3. No. 56: Coos Bay and Harbor, Oregon: Addition of $65,000; House concurs No. 117: Minnesotn. River, Minnesota: Conditional appropriation for re­ in 40,000. • moval of the dam at the mouth of, $2,500; House concurs. No. 57: Tacoma Harbor, Washington: Addition of $22"2,000 authorization; N o.118: Fox River, lllinois: Affirmative expression that permisssion grants House concurs in $100,000. no release from liability for damages; House concurs. No. 58: Tacoma Harbor, Washington: Deposition of dredged material. Nos. 119,120, and 121: Change taking from the Mississippi River Commis­ Verbal amendment; House concurs with an amendment. sion survey of certain portions of lllinuis and other rivers; Senate recedes. No. 59: New Wha.tcom Harbor, Washington: Addition of $2.!i,OOO; Senate Nos.l22, 123,124, 126 127, and 128: Addition of 170,000 cash and $150,000 au­ recede I but this amount is added to the appropriation for Puget Sound and thorization for the Mississippi River below Carro, separating amounta for tributary waters. harbors on the Lower M~pJ2i from general appropriation for the river; N o3. 60 and 61: Waterway connecting Puget Sound with Lakes Union and House concm·s in adoption of S25(.1,000 cash and $150,000 authorization, amounts Washington; change in phraseology; Senate recedes from No. 60, and House for harbo1·s to be taken from general appropriation. concur in No. 61 with an amendment. No. 125: Sawyers Bend, in the harbor of St. Louis, :MississipJ?i River: Di­ No. 62: San Luis d'Apra, Island of Guam: Appropriation of $150,000; Sen­ version of $50,000 for work already done; House concurs, provided the im­ ate recedes. provement was required in the interest of navigation. Nos. 63 and 64: Kennebec River, Maine: Addition of $20,000 cash appropria- Nos. 129 and 100: Missouri River: Addition of $3:.>0,000, and includes the tion and §41 000 authorization; House concurs. · words "continuing impro>ement" in describing the work to be done; House No. 65: C<;nnecticut River: Sm·vey between Hartford and Holyoke; concm·s in addition of ·1!)0,000 and in designation of work. formal amendment; House concm-s with an amendment. No.131: Dams and ressrvoirs at Lake Kampeska and other places, South No. 66: Hudson River: Authority to change lino of channel near city of Dakota.: Appropriation of $52,500; Senate recedes. Troy; House concurs with amendment. Provision for a survey with refer­ No. 132: Stockton and Mormon channels, Stockton, Cal.: Appropriation ot ence to gorges and freshets, given as an amendment, numbered 186, is inserted $50,000 cash and $175,000 authorization; Holl!:le concurs. here. No. 133: Columbia River at the Cascades, Oregon: Provision for there­ No. 67: Wappinger Creek, New York: Appropriation of $1,500; House con­ moval of rock: House concm"S. curs. No.l34: Addition of $15,000 for U:pper Columbia and Snake rivers, Oregon, No. 68: Rancocas River, New Jersey: Appropriation of $3,000; House con- Washington, and Idaho, to be used m the portion of the Snake above Lewis- ton; House concurs. · cur:Jo. 69: Mantua Creek, New JerRey: Addition of $15,000; House concurs in No.135: Snake River: Change in provision designating more specifically 10 the locality in which work is to be'done. $ ~\o. Allegheny River at Natrona, Pa.: Appropriation and authorization No. 136: Columbia River at The Dalles, Oregon and Wash:ington: Makes of $289,G22; Senate recedes. available unexpended balance appropriated for ship railway ana authorizes No. 71: Susquehanna River, Maryland: Verbal change; House concurs. appropriation of $400,000· House concurs, except authorization is diminished No. 'i2: Elk River, Maryland: Appropriation of $16,005; House concm'S. to 100,000, with an amendment providing that a fm·ther survey shall be made No. 73: Anacostia River, District of Columbia: Appropriation of $150,000; by a bOard of engineers. House concurs, with an amendment limiting the scope of the improvement. No. 137: Columbia River at Vancouver, Wash.: Appropriation of $18,000; No. 74: Pagan River, Virginia: Appropriation of$10,870; House concurs. House concurs in $2.000. No. 75: James River, Virginia: Addition of $50,000, and extension of locality No.l38: Siuslaw River, Oregon: Addition of $9,000; House concm'S. in which improvement is to be made; House concurs. with an amendment. No. 139: Willapa. River and Harbor, Washington: Amendment in spelling; No. 76: Appomattox River, Virginia: Addition of $25,000 cash appropria­ House concurs. tion and 1'in,OOO authorization, with recognition of new project; House con­ Nos. 140, 141, and 142: Puget Sound and tributar_y waters, Washington: cm·s. Addition of $5,000 by Senate, which amount is added to the sum to be avail­ No. '77: Cape Fear River, North Carolina: Appropriation of 150,000; House able for removing the log jam in Nooksack River and authorizing the cut­ concm-s in ~5u,OOO, with an amendment. ting of a new channel; House concurs and authorizes a transfer of 15,000 No. '78: ~~ishing Creek, North Carolina: Appropriation of $2,000; House added for New Whatcom Harbor, Washington. concurs. No. 143: Okanogan and Pend Oreille rivers, 'Vashington: Addition by Sen­ No. 79: SurveyNorfolkHarbor, Virginia, toBeaufortlnlet,North Carolina; ate of $12,500; House concurs. Formal nonconcm·rence, but provision for examination and survey is made No. 144.: Preliminary examinations, surveys, etc.: Addition by Senate of as a substitute for amendment numbered 187 in the list of examinations ana $50,000; House concurs. No.l45: International Commission: Verbal amendment; Honse concurs. smJ~:"&: Ashley River, South Carolina: Appropriation of $25,000; Senate re- No. 14..6: Repeal of provision for certain projects: Cypress Bayou, Texas cedes. . and Louisiana; omitted fi·om repealed items; House concurs. No. 81: Oconee River, Geor~: Addition of $10,000; House concurs. No. 147: Striking out option to punish by imprisonment in certain cases; No. 82: Coosa. River, Georg1a and Alabama. locks and dams: Appropria-­ Senate recedes. tion of $75,000 cash and 99,84:5 authorization; Senate recede3. No. 148: Provision for 1,000 copies of an index to reports of the Chief of En­ Nos. 83 and 84: Coo a River, Georgia and Alabama: Addition of $10,000, of gineers; House concurs. which $5,000 is added for the Oostenaula and Coosawattee Rivers; House No. 149: Option to tho Secretary of War to require bonds from a surety concm·s. - company; Senate recedes. _ No. 85: Appropriation for inside water route between Savannah and Fer­ No. 150: Authorizing tho Secretary of War to extend time for completion nandina1 $15,000; House concurs, with amendments making more general the of bridges without action by Congress; Senate recedes. locality m which the improvement is to be made. No. 151: Verbal change in numbers; Senate recedes. No. 86: Indian River, Florida., between Goat Creek and Jupiter Inlet: Ap­ The following pertain to provisions for examinations and surveys: propriation of S2 000; House concurs. No.152: Fish River: Designation of locality; House concurs. No. 87: Escambia and Conecuh rivers, Florida: Designation of locality of No. 153: Belvedere Harbor in San Francisco Bay, California; House con- improvement; House concurs, with amendment. curs. Nos. 88 and 89: Water hyacinths: Appropriation made available for the No. 154: Smyrna River, Delaware; Senate recedes. State of Texas as well as for the States of Florida and Louisiana. No.155: Wilmington, Del.; Senate recedes. No. 90: Withlacoochee River, Florida, from mouth to loading pool in the No. 156: Entrance to St. Andrews Bay, Florida; Rouse concm·s. Gulf of Mexico: Appropriation of $7.5,000; House concurs in 15,000. No.157: Volusia Bar and Lake :Monroe Bar, Florida; Senate recedes. No. 91: St. Johns River, .Florida: Formal amendment; House conctrrs. No. 158: Naples Harbor, Florida; Senate recedes. No. 9'2: Tombigbee River, between Demopolis, Ala., and Columbus, Miss.: No.159: Key: West, Fla.; House concurs. Provision for sur.-ey; Senate recedes. No.160: Skiddaway Narrows, Georgia: Change in phraseology; Senate re­ No. 93: Pascagoula River, Mississippi: Appropriation of $50.000 cash and cedes. authorization for $250,000; House concurs in $25,UOO cash and $125,000 author­ No. 161: Club and Plantation Creeks: House concurs. ization. No.162: Harbor at Mound City, ill., on Ohio River; House concurs, with No. 94: Sabine and Neches rivers, Texas: Addition of $48,000; House con­ amendment limiting examination to interests of navigation. cm'S. No. 163: Ohio River from Mound City, ill., to Cairo, ill.; same as last. No. 96: Galveston Ship Channel and Buffalo Bayou, Texas; House concurs No.164: Chicago River, lllinois: For turning basins· Senate recedes. with amendment retaining and making more clear the provision as contained No. 165: East bank MisSISSippi River, near (Juincy, hl.; House concurs. in the House provision. No. 166: Ohio River: Dam below the mouth of Bait River, Indiana, and No. 97: Trinity River, Texas: Addition of $25,000 cash and $150,000 author­ Kentucky; Senate recedes. ization; House concm·s in cash addition of $25,000 and $25,000 authorization. No. 161: Sand Island, in the Ohio River, Indiana and Kentucky; House No. 98: Change in amount authorized to be expended for canal in West conCUl'S. Galveston Bay; Senate recedes. No. 168: Pond Rive!_, Kentucky; House concurs. No. 99: Upper White River, Arkansas: Addition of $200,000; House concurs. No. 169: Tennants ..t1arbor, Maine; Senate recedes. No. 100: Levee, Walnut Bend, Ark.: Appropriation of $90,000; House concurs. No.170: Cape Small Harbor, Maine; House concurs. No. 101: Tennessee River: Diverting a portion of appropriation for main- No. 171: Channel from Patapsco River to Sparrows Point, Md.; House tenance between Chattanooga and Riverton· Senate recedes. concurs. No.102: Cumberland River, Tennessee: Addition of $95,000; House concurs, No. 172: Minnesota River, Minnesota: Striking out provision; House con­ · with an amendment providing for completion of Lock and Dam No.1. curs. No. 103: Cumberland River: Lease for water power may be granted to Nos. 173, 174, and 175: Continuing survey, Di>ers Lakes, Minnesota. and highest responsible bidder, whether owner of abutting land or not; House South Dakota; House concurs. concurs. . No. 176: Tallahatchie River, Mississippi: From Batesville to Coldwater; Nos. 104 and 105: Big Sandy River and Tug and Levisa. forks of the same. Senate recedes. West Vir~ and Kentucky: Appropriation of S250,000 cash and al1thoriza­ No.177: Look and dam in Yazoo River, near the mouth of the Big Sun- tion of $250,000· House concurs in $1'j5 000 cash and S175,000 authorization. flower, Mississippi; Senate recedes. No. 105: Ohio River: Provision for improvement of levee at S&1.wneetown, No.17& Cass1dy Bayou; Senate recedes. ill.; co:1curred in, provided improvement is required in tho interest of navi­ No. 179: Horn Island Pass, Mississippi; Honse concurs. gation. No.180: Hampton River and Harbor, New Hampshire; House concurs. No. 107: Ohio River: Site for lock and dam No.7; appropriation of $23,000; No. 181: Colorado River, Nevada; House concurs, with an amendment. House concurs. No. 182: Raritan Bay Ne-w Jersey; House concm-s. No. 108: Ohio River: Appropriation for site for lock and damNo.19, $25,000; No. 183: Wappinger Ci·eek, New York; Senate recedes. House concurs. No. 184: Fire Island, New York; Senate recedes. No. 109: Saginaw River and tributary streams: Increase of diversion for No. 1&1: Harlem Kills, New York; House concurs. Flint, Shiawassee, and Bad rivers from ~.000 to $12,500; House concurs.. No. 186: Hudson River; Senate recedes, this provision being placed with No. 110: Flint Ri>er, Michigan: Added to streams tributary to Sagmaw the general item for Hudson River. River appropriated for· House concurs, with amendment. No. 187: Swanquarter Bay, North Carolina; Provisum strick-:? n out aud pro- Nos. 111 and 112: Michlgan-Lake Superior Power Company, of Satut Ste. vision for inland waterway inserted in its place. Marie, Mich.: Changes in paragraphing; House concurs. 1 No. 188: Bennetts Creek, North Carolina; Senate receces. 1902. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 6191·

No.189: Shallotte River, North Carolina; Senate recedes. the necessary arrangements to carry into effect the resolutions of this Con· No.lOO: Cape Lookout, Oregon; Senate recedes. gress in relation to the memorial exercises in honor of William McKinley be No. 191: Yamhill River, Oregon; House concurs. requested to communicate to Mr. Hay the foregoing resolution, receive his No. 192: Yaquina River, Oregon: Extension of proposed improvement to answer thereto, and present the same to both Houses of Congress. Elk City; House concurs. Mr. RICHARDSON of Tennessee. Mr. Speaker, I demand a No.l93: WillametteRiver, betweenPortlandandOregonCity, Oreg.; House concurs. second. No. 194: Willamette River, near Albany, Oreg.; Sena.te recedes. :Mr. GROSVENOR. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent No.1e5: Tilla.mook Bar, Oregon; Senate recedes. that a second may be considered as ordered. No. 196: Pittsburg Harbor, Pennsylvania; Senate recedes. No. 197: Georgetown Harbor, South Carolina; House concurs. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Ohio asks unanimous No. 198: Walls Cut, South Carolina; Senate recedes. consent that a second may be considered as ordered. Is there ob­ No.19J: Hiwassee River, Tennessee; House concurs, with an amendme;nt jection? correcting the spelling. . No. 200: Sabine River, Texas; House concurs, with an amendment dcfi.nmg Mr. RICHARDSON of Tennessee. I object. the limits of examination. The SPEAKER. The Chair appoints the gentleman from Ohio No . 201 and 202: Columbia River, Washington; Senata.recedes. and the gentleman froD;l Tennessee, who will take their places as No. 203: Snohomish River, Washington; House concurs. No. 204: Puyallup and other waterways, Tacoma, Wash.; House concurs. tellers. No. 205: Canal between Pul?._et Sound and Grays Harbor; Senate recedes. The House divided; and tellers reported-ayes 92, noes 5.2. No. 206: Harbora.tSouthMilwaukee, Wis.; Change in the phraseology; Sen- So a second was ordered. ate recedes. No. 207: Miller Ba.y, Wisconsin; Senate recedes. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Ohio is recognized. SUMMARY OF AMOUN'TS APPROPRIATED AND AUTHORIZED. Mr. GROSVENOR. Mr. Speaker- Amount appropriated for the next fiscal year in the House bill was. $24,014,107 Mr. RICHARDSON of Tennessee. Mr. Speaker, a parliamen­ Amounts authorized to be expanded after June aL ______00,674,160 tary inquiry. The SPEAKER. The gentleman will state his parliamentary Total as passed by th:Housa ______------· 60,688,267 inquiry. From this amount the Senate made deductions aggregating-----· 80,700 Mr. RICHARDSON of .Tennessee. How much time is al­ Balance ·---- ______------______----- _------______---- _- ---· 60,607,567 lotted? Additions by the Senate amendments aggregate ______------· 9,554,872 The SPEAKER. Twenty minutes on a side? Mr. RICHARDSON of Tennessee. I desire to yield to the Total as_passed by the Senate ______------':0,162,439 gentleman from Missom·i the control of the time for this side. Senate additions concurred in------$4,500,035 Senate additions nonconcurred in ______------5,054,837 Mr. GROSVENOR. Mr. Speaker, I desire only to state that Deduct additions nonconcurred in.------5,054,837 by invitation of the House and of the Senate, by concurrent reso­ lution, Mr. Hay was invited to appear before the joint assembly Balance total a.ppropriations and authorizationsa.greed upon. 65,107,602 of the two Houses and deliver a eulogy upon the life and character Divided as follows: of William McKinley. The date was fixed and the two Houses· Amount appropriated for the next fiscal year------$26,521,442 Amount authorized to be expended after June 30,1900. 38,586,160 assembled, and in the presence of the two Houses, the diplomatic 6.3,107,602 corps, the Supreme Court, the President and his Cabinet Mr. Hay T.E.BURTON+.-r.~ d6livered the address. Following that oceurrence a resolution, WALTER REE v .M:i. written in the exact language of the resolutions adopted by the RUFUS E. LESTER, Managers on the part of the House. House and the Senate on each of the former occasions of the simi­ lar death of a President-the death of President Lincoln and the LEAVE TO PRINT 0~ SUBSIDIARY COINAGE BILL. death of President Garfield-thahking Mr. Hay for his effort and Mr. HILL. Mr. Speaker, at the request of several members I asking him for a copy for publication, was introduced, went to ask general leave to print on the bill (H. R. 12704) to increase the the committee, and was reported with the unanimous report of subsidiary coinage, for five days from to-day. the committee favoring its adoption. Objection having been The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Connecticut asks unani­ made to its passage in the House, it comes here now simply for the mous consent that members have leave for five days to print re­ action of Congress, acting upon a concurrent resolution, thanking mat·ks upon House bill 12704:, to increase the subsidiary coinage. Mr. Hay for his address and complimenting him by asking him Is there objection? . for a copy of the same. I reserve the remainder of my time. There was no objec~ion. The SPEAKER.. The gentleman from Missouri is recognized .ALLEGED Mll..ITARY SUPPLY CAMP IN LOUISI.A.NA. for twenty minutes . Mr. HITT. Mr. Speaker, I desire to present a privileged report Mr. CLARK. Mr. Speaker, I recognize very clearly that to op­ from the Committee on Foreign Affairs. pose the passage of this resolution subjects the man who does it The SPEAKER. The gentleman from illinois calls up a privi­ to the adverse criticism of every editor in the United States who leged report, which the Clerk will read. is also a postmaster and every editor in the United States who hopes to become a postmaster or to secure a Federal office. I am The Clerk read as follows: equally clear that in opposing it I am doing right. I do not in­ "Resolved, That, if compatible with the interests of the public service, the President be, and he is hereby, requested to send to the House of Representa­ tend in what I am about to say to be drawn into making any tives full information as to the investigation, by his order, recently made as intemperate remarks. Itsohappened when the "McKinley com­ to the alleged maintenance of a British military supply camp in the State of mittee" met that I was the only member of the committee who Louisiana, where military supplie including horses and mules, are collected and shipped directly to the the theater of war in South Africa in violation of suggested any opposition to the vote of thanks to Mr. Secretary the laws of neutrality; and to send to the House of Representatives there­ Hay for the speech ·he delivered on the 27th day of February ill port of the officer charged with such investigation, and all documents, letters, this House on the life and character of William McKinley; whei·e­ and papers on file bearing upon the matter." The Committee on :Military Affairs, to whom was referred the resolution upon the papers that I have named jumped on me. Well, now, No. 272, calling upon the President for full information as to the investiga­ their jumping on me in no way modifies my conception of public tion made upon his order a.s to the alleged military supply camp in the State duty and in no degree deters me from discharging it according to of Louisiana, having duly considered the same, report it back to the House with the recommendation that it be amended by the adoption of a substitute, my lights. Consequently I am going toexpress myopinionabout as follows, and passed: it fully, although 1·ather unexpectedly, as I had no idea that the "Resolved, That the President be, and he is hereby, requested to send to the resolution would be called up to-day. House of Representatives, if not incompatible with.the mterests of the pub­ lic service, full information of the investigation recently made by his order as When Mr. Hay rose to deliver his address he had such an audi­ to the alleged supply camp in the State of Louisiana for the collection and ence as only two other men in the entire history of the Govern­ shipment to South Africa. of military supplies, including horses and mules." ment ever had-George Bancroft, when he eulogized Abraham Mr. HITT. The committee recommends the adoption of the Lincoln, and James G. Blaine, when he pronounced his eulogium. substitute, and it covers the ground of the resolution. upon James A. Garfield-and all of us hope that a similar occa­ The question was taken, and the substitute was agreed to. sion will never again arise-the death of a President by the hand THANKS TO SECRETARY HAY. of an assassin. For the pm·poses of the orator, Colonel Hay faced Mr. GROSVENOR. Mr. Speaker, I move to suspend therules the most magnificent audience that can be assembled on this con­ and di charge the Committee of the Whole House from the fur­ tinent-the President and his Cabinet, the Supreme Court of the ther consideration of House concurrent resolution 39, and pass it. United States, the Diplomatic Corps, a prince of the German Em­ The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Ohio moves to suspend pire and his suite, both Houses of Congress, the head of the Army, the rules qnd pass the following. high officers of the Navy, every distinguished man in official and The Clerk read as follows: unofficial life betwixt the two oceans that could be crowded into this historic Hall, together with much of the beauty of tl!e land. House concurrent resolution 39. It was such an audience as any orator would be fortunate to ad­ Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concun·i-ng), That the thanks of Congress be presented to Ron. John Hay for the appropri­ dress-such an audience as no orator now living will most proba­ ate meinorial address deliver d by him on the life and services. of William bly address. McKinley, late President of the United St.ates, in the Representatives' Hall, before both Houses of Congress and their invited guests, on the 27th day of · In many respects I entertain a high opinion and a high regard February, 1902, and that he be requested to fuTirish a. copy for publication. for the Secretary of State. He is a most amiable and accom­ Resolved, That the chairman of the joint committee appointed to make plished gentleman. From his youth up he has been associated

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with intellectual giants. For four years he was brought into As a matter of fact, if steel rails sold for $18 a ton in the month daily contact with Abraham Lincoln, which in itself was a liberal of March, 1897, William McKinley had nothing to do with it, be­ education. Colonel Hay is himself a great historic personage. cause he had not been in Congress since the 4th day of March He has achieved· eminence in two difficult fields of human en­ 1891. No Republican had been in office in a high executive plac~ deavor-in literature and in diplomacy. He has been ambassador for four years in that month, and if steel rails sold for $18 a ton to the Court of St. James and is now Secretary of State. In litera­ at that time, and as it was an unprecedented thing in the history ture he has performed the unusual feat of winning fame in both of the country, then the credit ought to have been given where poetry and prose, such fame as any man in the House or Senate or credit is due-to the Democrats of this country-instead of try­ in the whole country might envy. His Life of Abraham Lincoln, ing to filch it for the Republican party. But, from the sentence or " Abraham Lincoln; A History," as it is entitled, is one of the that opens up with that declaration until near the close of the standard historic works of the world; but in my judgment :Mr. address, it was as fine a Republican stump speech as has been de­ Hay's literary reputation will rest more on his Pike County Bal­ livered on the American continent within the last two years. lads than upon anything else he has written. Of their class they I will tell you what will happen, and I knowitjustaswellasthat are about as good as anything else in the English language. As I am living: If you pass this resolution, every Republican candi­ an earnest of what he might have done in poetry, they lead one to date for Congress in the United States will not only circulate this regret that their author deserted the muses for the stormy world of speech as the strongest possible Republican campaign document, politics. but at the same time he will circulate the resolution of Congress Colonel Hay is a seasoned hand at literature. His address was thanking him for delivering it. carefully wrought out in his library. What he said was not

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I think I am as good a Democrat as my friend from Missouri; I address when he was speaking of a man of such high character, think I am as keenly alive to everything that affects the ~terests such noble nature, such pure life, as our assassinated President. and the honor and the welfare of the Democratic party as my [Applause.] friend from Missouri, whom I so ·much admire, but from whom I [During the delivery of the foregoing remarks, the time of Mr. entirely dissent on this occasion. I listened to that addTess with HooKER having expired, Mr. CLARK yielded to him five minutes great care, with great caution, and even with a disposition to criti­ of his time.] cise if anything wrong had been said. · But I failed to detect in Mr. GROSVENOR. I hope the gentleman from Missouri [Mr. the whole of that address anything that I thought was improper CLARK] will consume the remainder of his time. to be said or anything said in a party spirit. Mr. CLARK. I yield two minutes to the gentleman from Illi­ And I feel sure, Mr. Speaker, that if a man selected for the nois [Mr. WILLIAMS]. great duty of speaking upon that occasion the sentiments of the The SPEAKER. The gentleman has three minutes remaining. American people had dared to inject into his address anything Mr. WILLIAMS of illinois. · Mr. Speaker, I do not know that that was an appeal to party spirit and party sentiment the shade I care to use even two minutes. I simply desire to say that I of our great President breaking the cerements of the tomb would listened with a great deal of inte1·est to the address·of Secretm:y have appeared before him and at once challenged his utterances. Hay on the life and characte1· of Mr. McKinley. I thought at Any man who would have made here on such an 0ccasion a speech the time that there were some thi.r).gs in that address of a partisan political in its character would in doing so have dishonored the character not entirely appropriate to a funeral occasion. But memory of McKinley's great absence of partisan feeling and there was much in the address to be admired, especially his elo­ partisan ideas. quent tribute to the high personal character of the late President, President McKinley was a Republican; the man selected as and I fear a vote against this resolution would not be considered orator by the joint committee was a Republican. Did we expect as a mere criticism against the partisan portion of the address, to select any other? I was charmed with his address. I listened but might have a tendency to detract from that profound tribute to it with great pleasure, and I am sure that the great personage of respect which the American people unite in paying to the he was talking about would not have countenanced for a moment memory of our martyred President, a.nd I shall, therefore, sup- any exhibition of partisan spirit or partisan heat. It never en­ port the resolution. • tered my own mind that he had such an idea. I know Mr. Hay Mr. CLARK. I reserve the remainder of my time, Mr. Speaker. slightly and have had several interviews with him, none since he The SPEAKER. The gentleman has one minute remaining. delivered that speech, however; but I am frank to say that I Mr. GROSVE.NOR. I hope the gentleman will observe the listened to that speech with great pleasure, and believed that it ordinary courtesies of debate, and close on his side now, and let was worthy of the great man about whom he talked. McKinley me have the closing speech. was a Republican, an honest man, an upright ma.n, a man whose Mr. CLARK. Mr. Speaker, I will yield a minute to the gentle- great heart and whose loyal nature took in all the people of his man from Ohio. country. When he came to be President he had the admiration Mr. GROSVENOR. I do not want that minute. and support of all the people of his country, not of one party, but The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Ohio. of both. :Mr. GROSVENOR. Mr. Srcaker, I have no disposition either Mt. ~peaker, I shall never forget the last time I saw that great to fence with the gentleman from Missouri or to say anything on spirit in the flesh. I was passing through the city of Washington an occasion like this that will in any way irritate or annoy any on my way to New York. I called to pay my respects to the gentlero.an who sees fit to vote upon this question one way or the President of the United Stat-es. We had served thirteen or four­ other. teen years in this Hall together. I sat on this side, he sat on that. I hope the House will insist upon this action, however. Had Our intimacy had been great, and when I called to see him he this committee not brought this resolution here there would have kindly introduced me to some Ohio friends who were in the room been world-wide criticism of the committee· for having failed to and said, '' Take a seat, I want to talk with you about our long do that which is customary under circumstances such as we service together in Congress.'' , were surrounded by. It would have been said in every news­ He seated me while these gentlemen were still there, and when paper of the country that, having invoked the address and assem­ I was about to go he said to me, speaking to me with the kindli­ bled a great audience to hear it, we had .ourselves condemned ness of natm·e that always characterized him: "1-.fr. HooKER, is the occasion by 1·efusing to go through with the ordinary duty of there anything I can do for you? " I said: " No, 1Yir. President, complimenting the gentleman who delivered the address. There­ I have simply come to pay my respects to you, as I chanced to be fore the committee took up the question, considered the resolu­ passing through the Federal city." "Well," said he, seizing my tion, and brought its report to this House; and now it is a ques­ one hand with both of his, "if you have a young man in your tion for this House to say, not whether it shall indorse whatever region of country who·acquitted himself with credit in the Span­ of politics may have worked its way incidentally into that address, ish-American war, I would be glad to give you a lieutenancy for but whether upon the whole this distinguished man, having been him." I said: "Why, Mr. President, I had not thought of such invited to make this address, should now be condemned, or as the an honor. It is very generous on your part." But it was just gentleman from illinois has very well suggested, whether the like McKinley. memory of McKinley shall be condemned in the House of Repre­ I saw it in the same kindly feeling that had existed between sentatives of his country. him and myself for twelve or thirteen or fourteen years. I said I took a great deal of pains, following the criticism that was to him, '' I can not now think of any young man specially worthy made in the committee by the gentleman from Missouri, to scan of the high honor which you propose to confer, but I will com­ through two or three different clipping bureaus utterances ot municate with my friends in Mississippi; I will communicate the Democratic press of this country upon the occasion and upon with my friend Governor Lowry and with my son;" and they the address of Mr. Hay. Almost without exception there was a suggested the name of Richard P. Winslow, whose father and universal acclaim of praise of Mr. Hay, not only b ecause of the grandfather I had known. literary character of his production, but gf the temper and spirit I knew by the character of the family, although I did not know which he had manifested. Now let me quote the argument made the boy intimately, that he must be worthy of the honor. I wrote in one of the leading Democratic newspapers of the country in op­ to Mr. McKinley at his home in Canton, before he made the fatal position to the suggestion made by the distinguished gentleman visit to Buffalo, and when I returned from the mountains of from Missouri. It was this. The editorial said: Virginia, where I passed the summer, I said to myself," I will go It may be said that some of the language of Mr. Hay approaches very to thfl War Office and see what came of. the offer that McKinley closely upon the line of political argument. But- so generously made;'' and when I went up there, Colonel McCain, Said the editor of that paper--.- of the United States Army, from my own State, in the Adjutant­ how can you eliminate William McKinley from his life work? General's Office, said, ''I will look over the books and see whether William McKinley was a partisan Republican, and he was ad­ any such name is there." And when he had examined he found mired by the masses of the Democrats of this country because of the name of-Richard P. Winslow, and on the margin a big hand his manly partisanship. And now that he is dead and his eulogist wasdrawn with the index finger pointing to the name of Richard speaks of the results of his life work gentlemen complain. 'fhe P. Winslow, and opposite that name was this memorandum in gentleman from Missouri says that he mentioned the fact that red ink: "The President requests that this nomination be made steel rails were sold at $18 a t~m on some occasion, and the gen­ special.'' I am glad to say that young man stood his examination tleman from Missouri, with some lack of his usual acumen in a a few days ago and his name has been favorably reported .and is case of this kind, has failed to develop what it is th~;tt grew out now on the Senate Calendar for confirmation. of that suggestion th~.,t he complained of. But I will not discuss He never forgot me. He was not the kind of a man who for­ it. You can not eulogize a dead politician, a dead statesman, a got. And I say that the man selected to deliver the address in great man dead without referring to what he has done. I have commemoration of him and to utter the sentiments which all the sat upon this floor and have heard eulogies of Randall and a large people of this country entertained for him, and proudly enter­ number of leading honorable and distinguished Democrats, and tained, would not have dared to undertake to deliver a political I have heard repeatedly, over and over again, the proud boasts of XUV-388 6194 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. _JUNE 2, their eulogists of their achievements in behalf of the Democratic Draperii Hildebrant, Moon, Sheppard, Drisco , Holliday, Morgan, Skiles, party, and yet we have always printed those eulogies. If there Edwards, Hopkins, Morrell, Smith,S. W. was a.nything meful for stump orators in referring to the char­ Elliott, Hughes, Mutchler, Smith, Wm. Alden acter of such men as Randall and other men to whom I might Emerson, Jack, Newlands, Snodgrass, Fleming, Jackson, Kans. Overstreet, Snook, refer, it was that they had become valuable as illmtrators of the Flood, Jackson, MO. Padgett, Southard, policy of the party to which they belonged. Foerderer, Joy, Palmer, Southwick, Mr. Speaker, you can not speak of McKinley without you cur­ Fordney, Kahn, Pea.rre Stevens, Minn. Foss, Kluttz, Pierce,' Stewart, N.Y. tail your own independence, if you say nothing about his attitude Foster, lll. Knox, Pou, Swn.nson, upon these great political questions. I undertake to say that no Fowler, Kyle, Powers, Me. Talbert, mere eulogistic address is freer from it than this. Freer than Fox, Lassiter, Pugsley, Tate, any eulogy that ever was presented in this House upon the char­ Gardner, N. J. Lewis, Pa. Randell, Tex. Tayler, Ohio Gille~ 1 N. Y. Lindsay, Robb, Taylor, Ala: acter of distinguished men, such as Hendricks, of Indiana, and a Gille"tU, Mass. Long, Roberts, Thomas, N. 0. dozen others whom I might name. Why are we afraid to have Goldfogle, Loud. Robertson La. Trimble, Gooch, Loudenslager, Robinson, Ind. Vandiver, go to the world the suggestion made by an intimate friend and Gordon, McDermott, Ruppert, Warner, Cabinet officer of McKinley, that he had accomplished something Graff, McLachlan, Russell, Weeks, as a partisan. Why, Mr. Speaker, it would go forth to all the Graham, McRae, Ryan, White, Greene, Mass. Mabon, SChirm, Wiley, world that the ·Demoeratic party of_this House, after all their Griffith, Marshall, Scott, Wilson, high eulogiums of McKinley, after all their sincere and honest Griggs, Martin, Selby,_ Woods, regrets for his death, after all that they have said and done in Hall, Maynard, Shackleford, Wright, Haugen, Meyer, La. Shafroth, Young, this House, yet when the last moment came when they could Heatwole, Miers, Ind. Shattuc, Zenor. sti·ike one blow at his fame and mar his standing before the Heru·y; Tex. Miller, Shelden, world that they had availed themselves of that which was prac­ So, two-thirds having voted in favor thereof, the resolution was tically a funeral occasion to condemn the words of eulogy made passed. on that occasion. I can not believe that the partisanship of this The following pairs were announced: country has led men to such a position as that, and therefore, For the session: Mr. Speaker, I hope there will be no vote on this floor against Mr. HILDEBRANT with Mr. MAYNARD. this resolution. Mr. Yomm with Mr. BENTON. I ask for the yeas and nays on the passage of the resolution. Mr. BORE.ING with Mr. TRIMBLE, The SPEAKER. The question is on suspending the rules and Mr. BULL with Mr. CROWLEY. passing the resolution; and upon that question the gentleman Mr. KAHN with Mr. BELMONT. a-sks for the yeas and nays. Mr. WRIGHT with Mr. HALL. The yeas and nays were ordered. Mr. HEATWOLE with Mr. TATE. The question was taken; and there were-yeas 130, nays 46, Mr. RussELL with Mr. McCLELLAN. answering" present" 25, not voting 151; as follows: Until further notice: YEAS-130. Mr. SHATTUC with Mr. RUCKE.R. Alexander, Fitzgerald, Latimer, Reeder, Allen, Me. Fletcher, Lawrence, Reeves. Mr. ADAMS with Mr. SELBY. Barney, . Foster, Vt. Lessler, Rhea, Va. Mr. BOUTELL with Mr. GRIGGS. Bartholdt, Gaines, W.Va. Littauer, Rumple, • Mr. WEEKS with Mr. KLUTTZ, Bates, Gardner, Mich. Littlefield, Sherman, Mr. JACK with Mr. FINLEY. Bellamy, glli_son, Lovering, Showalter, Bishop, McAndrews, Sibley, Mr. LOUDENSLAGER with Mr. DEGRAFFENREID. Blackburn, GleJin, McCall, Smith, ill. . Mr. BROWNLOW with Mr. PIERCE. Bowersock; Grosvenor, McCleary, Smith Iowa Bre.'l.zeale, Grow, l\Iann, Sperry, Mr. DAYTON with Mr. DAVEY of Louisiana. Brick, Hamilton, Mercer, Steele, Mr. HE..l'ffiY C. SMITH with Mr. TAYLOR of Alabama. Bromwell, Hanbury, Metcalf, Stewart, N.J. Mr. SoUTHARD with Mr. NORTON. Brown. Haskins, Mickey, Storm, Burleigh, Hedge, Minor, Sulloway, Mr. Foss with Mr. MEYER of Louisiana. Burton, Hemenway, Mondell, Sutherland, Mr. LONG with Mr. HENRY of Texas. Caldwell, Henry, Conn. Moody, N.C. Tawney, Mr. EMERSON with l\1r. GILBERT. Cannon, He11burn, Moody, Oreg. Thayer, Capron. Hill, Morris, Thomas, Iowa Mr. McLACHLAN with l\Ir. ROBERTSON of Louisiana. Cassingham, Hitt Moss, Tirrell. Mr. BURKETT with Mr. SHALLENBERGER. Connell, H ooker, Mudd, Tompkins, N.Y. Mr. GILLETT of Massachusetts with Mr. NAPHEN. Conne1·, Howard, Needham, Tompkins, Ohio Coombs, Howell, Nevin, Tong_ue, Mr. CURTIS with Mr. STEPHENS of Texas. Cousins, Hull, Olmsted, Van Vom·his, Mr. BINGHAM with Mr. CREAMER. Cromer, Irwin, Otjen, Vreeland, Mr. PoWERS of Maine with Mr. GAINES of Tennessee. C-rumpacker, Jenkins, Parker, Wachter, Cushman, Jett, Patterson, Pa. Wadswo1·th, Mr. KETCHAM with Mr. SNODGRASS. Dalzell, Jones, Wash. Patterson, Tenn. Wanger, Mr. R EEDER with Mr. WHITE. Davidson, Kehoe, Payne, Warnock, Mr. CALDERHEAD with Mr. Fox. Deemer, Kitchin, Claude P erkins, Watson, Dovener, Knapp, Powers, Mass. Williams ill. Mr. GARDNER of New Jersey with Mr. MooN. Eddy, Lacey, Prince, The Speaker. Mr. GORDON with Mr. ScoTT. Escb, L andis, Ransdell, La. Mr. HoLLIDAY with Mr. MIERS of Indiana. Evans, Lanham, R~y,N. Y. Mr. SKJLEs with Mr. TALBERT. NAYS-46. For this day: Adamson, Cochran, Lever, Sla-yden, Mr. HAUGEN with Mr. LINDSAY. Ball, Tex. Conry, Lewis, Ga. Snnth, Ky. Bartlett, De Armond, Little, Sp3.1'kman, Mr. HUGHES with-Mr. McDERMOTT, Bowie, Feely, · Lloyd, Spight, Mr. SHELDEN with Mr. SWANSON. Brantley, Green, Pa. McCulloch, St::trk, Mr. MAHON with Mr. VANDIVER. Brundidge, Henry, Miss. McLain, Sulzer, Burgess, Johnson, Maddox, Underwood,. Mr. wARNER with Mr. REID. • Burleson, Jones, Va. Mahoney, Wheeler, Mr. GREENE of Massachusetts with Mr. LASSITER. Burnett, Kern, Neville, Williams, Miss. Mr. OVERSTREET with Mr. WILSON. Candler, Kitchin, Wm. W. RichardsonhTenn. Wooten. Clark, Kleberg, Scarboroug , Mr. LEWIS of Pennsylvania with Mr. SHEPPARD. Clayton, Lester, Sims. Mr. KYLE with Mr. SHACKLEFORD. ANSWERED "PRESENT "-25. Mr. KNox with Mr. RANDELL of Texas. Bell, Gilbert, Norton, Small, Mr. HoPKINS with Mr. PADGETT. Brownlow, Hay, Reid, Smith, H. C. Mr. GRAFF with Mr. JACKSON of Kansas. Cooper, Tex. Ketcham, Richardson, Ala. Stephens, Tex. Cowherd, Lamb, Rixey, Thompson. Mr. FOWLER with Mr. GOLDFOGLE. Crowley, Livingston, Robinson, Nebr. Mr. FORDNEY with Mr. FOSTER of illinois. Finley, McClellan, Rucker, Mr. FOERDERER with Mr. FLOOD. Gaines, Tenn. Naphen, Shallenberger, Mr. CoRLISS with 1\ll:. ELLIOTT. NOT VOTING-151. Mr. BURK of Pennsylvania with Mr. DINSMORE. Acheson, Bingham, Butler, Mo. Dahle, Adams. Blakeney, Butler, Pa. Darragh, Mr. BL-"RKE of South Dakota with Mr. EDWARDS. Allen Ky. Boreing, Calderbead, Davey, La. Mr. ".ACHESON with Mr. BROUSSARD. Aplin, Boutell, Cassel, Davis, Fla. Mr. BEIDLER with Mr. BUTLER of Missouri. Babcock, Bristow, Cooney, Dayt.on, Ball, Del. Broussard, Cooper, Wis. De Graffenreid, Mr. SOUTHWICK with Mr. SNOOK. Bankhead, Bull, Corliss, Dick, Mr. MARSHALL with Mr. RICHARDSO~ of Alabama. Beidler, Burk,Pa. Creamer, Dinsmore, Mr. DICK with Mr. WILEY. Belmont, Burke, S. Dak. Currier, Dougherty, ~en~n, Burkett, Curtis, Douglas, Mr. BABCOCK with Mr. ROBB.

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Mr. BUTLER of Pennsylvania with Mr. ALLEN of Kentucky. Diseases of the Horse, be authorized to correct the title thereof by striking out the words "fifty thousand" and inserting the words "two hundred Mr. BALL of Delaware withMJ:. GooCH. thousand;" so as to make the same correspond with the amendment of the Mr. Joy with Mr. RUPPERT. House of Representatives to the said resolution concurred in by the Senate. Mr. STEWART of New York with Mr. ZENOR. The message also announced that the Senate had agreed to the On this vote: amendments of the House of Representatives to joint resolutions . Mr. STEVENS of Minnesota with Mr . .McRAE. of the following titles: Mr. SCHIRM with Mr. SHAFROTH. S. 91. Joint resolution providing for the publication of 50,000 Mr. GRAHAM with Mr. MuTCHLER. copies of the Special .Report on the Diseases-of Cattle; and Mr. .DRAPER with Mr. FLEMING. S. 92. Joint resolution providing for the publication of 50,000 Mr. BRISTOW with Mr. DAVIS of Flm·ida. copies of the Special.Report on the Diseases of the Horse. Mr. COOPER of Wisconsin w.ith.Mr. BANKHEAD. Mr. TAYLER of Ohio with Mr. SMALL. PROTECl'ION. OF GAME IN ALASKA. Mr. MORRELL "With Mr. RYAN. llfr. CUSHMAN. I call up for :present action .the confer­ Mr. GILLET of N ew York with Mr. GRIFFITH. ~nce report on the bill (H. R. 11535) for the protection of game For ten days: m Alaska, and for other purposes. The report and the ntatement .Mr. MILLER with Mr. THOMAS of North Carolina. of the House conferees .have alread_y been printed in the REco~ . 'Mr. FosTER of Vermont with Mr. Pou . I ask that the statement be read, omitting the Teport. Mr. WM . .ALDEN SMITH with ?tfr. .RoBINSON Of Indiana. The SPEAKER. In the absence of objection, the reading of For one week: the repoTt will be dispensed with. Mr. CURRIER with Mr. PUGSLEY. The statement of the House conferees, as published in the pro­ Mr. ROBERTS with Mr. BELLAMY. ceedings of.May 29, was read. Mr. SAMUEL W. SMITH with Mr. DOUGHERTY. The question being taken, the conference report was agreed to. Mr. DARRAGH with Mr. THOMPSON until June 9. FIRST LIEUT. JOSEPH M. SIMMS. Mr. RUCKER. Mr. Speaker, I voted in the negative, but I find I am paired with the gentleman from Ohio., Mr. SHATTU.C. The SPEAKER laid before-the House the bill (S. 3360) for the and I withdraw my vote and wish to be marked "present." · p~omoti?nof Lieut. Joseph M. Simms, Re-venue-Cutter Service, the The Clerk called Mr. RuCKER'S name, and he answered "pres- bill ha.vrng been returned from the Senate with the information ent,'' as above recorded. that the amendment of the House was disagreed to and a confer­ Mr. BROWNLOW. Mr. Speaker, has my colleague from Ten­ ence requested. nessee [Mr. PIERCE] voted? Mr. SHERMAN. I move that the House insist on its amend­ The SPEAKER. He did not. ment and ~gree to the conference. Mr. BROWNLOW. Then I desire to withdraw my vote, which The motion ·was agreed to. · was cast_in the affirmative, and be recorded as "present." The BPEAKER announced the appointment of Mr. HEPBURN, Mr. HENRY C. SMITH. Mr. Speaker, I have voted on this Mr. SHERMAN, and Mr. ADAMSON as conferees on the part of the proposition in the affirmative. I notice,lwwever, that I am paired House. · . with the gentleman from Alabama [Mr. TAYLOR]. I therefore 'RETIREM:m\""T OF "MEDICAL OFFICERS OF THE ARMY. desire to withdraw my -vote and be recorded "present." M1:~ H.U~. I .move to ~~pend the rules so as to take up and Mr. STEELE. Mr. Speaker, I notice that I was announced as pass the bill (S. 5213) providing for the selection and retirement paired with the gentleman from Texas [M1·. COOPER]; but as that of medical offi.ce.rsin the.Army. gentleman is present I have voted. The bill was read as follows: The SPEAKER. Does the gentleman desire to .have the pair Be it enacted, etc., That the Pl·esident of the United Statesis hereby au.thor­ withdrawn? ized to select one from su9h medical offic~rs of the .Army as have served forty-one ·years or -more, rune years of which shall have been as Surgeon­ M.r. STEELE. I do. General, and, bland with_the advice and consent-of the Senat(l, appoint him The SPEAKER. The .pair will be withdrawn. the Umted States Army, for the purpose of placing 'him The result of the vote was announced as above stated. ~:i~J~~~~eTlis~~ MESSAGE FROM THE SENATE. Mr. UNDERWOOD. I demand a second on the motion to stis­ A message from the Senate, by Mr. PARKINSON, its reading pend the rules. clerk, announced that the Senate had passed bill and jointTeso­ Mr. HULL. I ask unanimous consent that a second be consid- lution of the following titles; in which the concurrence of the ered as o1·dered. · House of Representatives was requested: Mr. UNDERWOOD. · I do not object to that; but I think this S. 2764. An act fOT the relief of the Mobile and Ohio Raih'oad question ought to be debated. · Company; and The SPEAKER. In the absence of objection the motion to S. R .. lOO. Joint resolution authorizing the Secretary of Wa1· suspend ihe rules will be considered as seconded. to furmsh condemned cannon for an equestrian statue of the late There was no objection. Maj. Gen. William J. Sewell, United States Volunteers. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Iowa [Mr. HULL] is en­ The message.also announced that the Senate had agreed to the titled to the floor fOT twenty minutes. report of the committee of conference on the disagreeing votes of Mr. HULL . .Mr. Speaker, I shalLnot detain the House more the two Houses on the amendment of the Senate to the bill (H. R. than a .minute or two. This bill is desigiJ.ed to retire the Surgeon­ 9290) granting a pension to Frances L. Ackley. General of the Army only one grade higherthan the rankwhich The message also announced that the Senate had insisted upon he now holds, and to place him on an equality with the Surgeon­ its amendment to the bill (H. R. 11249) granting an increase of General of the Navy, who has recently been retired. The bill pension to Katharine Rains Paul, disagreed to .by the House of has received a unanimous repoTtin its favor from the Committee Representatives, had agreed to the conference asked by the House on Military Affairs, gentlemen of both parties on that committee on -the disagreeing votes of the two Houses thereon, and had ap­ concurring. If the bill should pass it will make the present pointed Mr. GALLINGER, Mr. PRITCHARD, and Mr. TUR:I'I"ER as the Sm·geon-General of the Army a major-general on his retirement conferees on the part of the Senate. the 8th day ~f this month. The bill h~ already passed -the Sen: The message also announced that the Senate has passed the fol- ate. There IS nothing else involved in it than this one proposi­ lowing resolution: · tion. I think that in justice to this distinguished man, who has Res~ l ve d, That the Seoreta.ry be directed to request the House of Repre­ se:rved over forty years and has advanced the cause of science senta.bves to return to the Senate the bill (S. 19) for the relief of George A. more,_probably, thananyotherone_professional man in the United Or.r. States, he should receive on his.retiremimt this recognition at the The message .also announced that the Senate had passed the ,hands of the Congress of tb,e United States. following resolution: Mr. LIVINGSTON. Will the gentleman yield to me fo1· a .Resolved, That the Secretary be directed to rf}uest the House of Repre­ moment or two? :~~~es to return to the. Senate the bill (S. 567) or the relief of H. B. Mat- Mr. HULL. I yiel~ to the gentleman from Georgia [.M.r. LIVINGSTON] for two mmutes. . The message also announced -that the Senate had passed the following resolution: ~r. LIVINGS'.FON. ·Mr. Speake.r,I hope the House will pass this bill. The medical fraternity of my State, in convention as­ Res~ l ved, That the Secretary be directed to request the House of Repre­ sen.tatives to return to the Senate the bill (S. 1!)20) for the relief of Albert C. s~~ed, has recommended its passage. So have similar conven­ Bro . tions m several other States of the South. During the prevalence T~e message .alsv ~~nou~ced that the Senate had passed the fol­ of yellow fever .in the State of Alabama this man was the only lOWing resoh;tion; m which the concurrence of the House of officer who dar~d g? there and r~main through the entire preva~ Representatives was requested: l~~ce of .the ep1dennc. He remamed there while five other phy­ Reso_l1:ed &y the Senate (the ljlouse-of Rep1·esentati-ves concu-rring), That the SICians died. .ln rendering this service he took his life in his hands. Committ-e~ on Enrolled Bip.s, m t he enrollment of the joint resolution (S. R He is a most worthy man. As has just been stated by the chair­ 92) proVIding for the publication of 50,000 copies of the Special Report on the man of the Military Committee [Mr. HULL], the passage of this 6196 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD- HOUSE. JuNE 2,

bill would simply put this officer upon an equality with others Mr. LIVINGSTON. I want to say that is a unanimous report, who have received this promotion. I hope that gentlemen on Democrats and Republicans both signing it. Now, you say you both sides of the House will unite in passing the bill. have not read it. Upon what do you predicate your opposition? Mr. CANNON. Will the gentleman from Iowa yield to me? Mr. UNDERWOOD. I beg the gentleman's pardon. As I Mr. HULL. For how long? stated to your colleague from Georgia, I first said that I had not Mr. CANNON. For twu minutes. read the report, but I remembered that I had, and it is not on Mr. HULL. I yield to the gentleman. that report that I base my opposition. I know there is not a man Mr. CANNON. Mr. Speaker, I have some acquaintance with who has eve:r: occupied the position that General Sternberg has the Surgeon-General of the Army. I have always found him a during the entire history of this Government who has ever been pleasant gentleman. So far as I know or believe he ha.s performed retired at a higher rank than brigadier-general. The men who his duties well. He is shortly to retire, I understand, on three- occupied that high position during the civil war, with all the , fourths of the regular pay. His present rank is that of brigadier­ great responsibilities and duties that rested on them, were only general. This bill, as I understand, proposes to retire him with retired as brigadier-generals; and now because this officer, an the rank of major-general. Now, I must say-! hope it may not efficient officer, I grant you, has seen fit to go through the coun­ seem ungracious for me to make the remark I am about to make; try and secure the indorsement of State med.ical boards in the I hope it may not look as if I were speaking unkindly of this par­ various States to come here and lobby with us for his promotion, ticular individual, for I speak without any malice-but I must to pay him $2,000 a year more than his rank entitles him to and say for one that I am tired of pursuing the policy of promoting more than the law entitles him to, and more than anything else an officer to a rank that he never held and then retiring him. on earth entitles him to except that he wants as a gratuity to be [Applause.] paid $2,000 more a year retirement pay, without rendering any 'l'o me it seems a mere gratuity, and while we inveigh here service to the Government of the United States, that is no reason against civil pension lists, I will not discuss that subject. We un­ why we should vote to do it. derstand what our system does for us and the abuses that exist I say if that hour and day has come when, because a man is a in it. We must in the future have a large Regular Army com good fellow, because he has friends throug4out the United States.) pared with what we have had heretofo1·e. The chances are that because he is able from' the various districts to petition that he it will be larger instead of smaller. We start out to have as good may run his hand into the Treasm·y of the United States and ap­ a Navy as any nation in the world. The evolution and growth of propriate to himself the money that is put there for the benefit of our Navy and Army are necessary to our civilization. If these the people-if that hour ha.s come, then I say this man is entitled things are to be done, they ought to be done along the line of gen­ to it. But if we are to stand here to do justice and to pay a man eral policy. Now, I think I have said all I want to about this what he is entitled to and no more, there is no reason on earth matter, and for one, having nothing against General Sternberg why General Sternberg should be promoted above every other and everything, so far as I know, in his favor, I shall vote against man that has ever occupied his position and be retired as a major­ the bill. general rather than as a brigadier-general, and for that reason I Mr. UNDERWOOD. Mr. Speaker~ oppose this bill. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Alabama is recognized Mr. Speaker, I yield five minutes of my time to the gentleman to control the time in the negative. from Missouri [Mr. CocHRAN]. Mr. UNDERWOOD. Mr. Speaker, I concur with what the · Mr. COCHRAN. Mr. Speaker, this bill, like others that pre­ gentleman from illinois [Mr. CANNON] has said in reference to ceded it, raises a question which deserves consideration. Do ex­ General Sternberg. He is an excellent gentleman, an able officer, isting laws make fa~~ reasonable, and ample provision for there­ a kindly man; but when are we going to stop using the money of tirement of superannuated military officers? If not, the general the Government of the United States for gratuities to reward .laws should be revised. If the pay of retired officers authorized tho e men whom we personally like? Now, there are other bills by the statutes is insufficient, then a higher rate of pay should be before this committee of the same kind as this. allowed. I have observed that officers who reach the age of re­ Mr. ADAMSON. Is the report on this bill unanimous? tirement find somewhere in the House or in the Senate, or both, Mr. UNDERWOOD. I do not know whether it is or not. a sufficient number of personal friends to secure the introduction Mr. GAINES of Tennessee. From what committee does it and favorable report of bills recommending retirement, with a come? rank higher than that enjoyed during the time of service, with Mr. UNDERWOOD. From the Military Committee. I have the pay of the higher rank; and so the matter invariably comes not looked at the report or read it, but I know the facts. I will before us in such a way as to make the discussion personal instead correct myself and say that I did read the report some days ago; of general. but there is a bill before this committee for the promotion and When a bill of this kind comes np, to oppose it has the com­ retirement of Colonel Greenleaf. There is a bill before this com­ plexion of hostility to the beneficiary of the bill. This places mittee for the promotion and retirement of General Smith. members of the House in the attitude of personal hostility to the · Neither of these bills has been reported. They have been hang­ retiring officer, when, in fact, they only feel a repugnance to a ing around here for years. Both are in the same Department, proceeding that has become so frequent that the general laws both excellent men. both men entitled to credit; but I agree that governing the question are rendered nugatory. It is a new de­ those bills ought not to be reported. Colonel Greenleaf and Gen­ parture, this habit of giving to Army officers upon retirement for eral Smith have had no membe:rs to curry favor with, because the remainder of their lives vastly larger pay than is provided by they have not been at the head of a great department; neither the general law. The sooner the House refuses to pas bills of have they had thE> opportunity to go around and get up resolu­ this kind the better. tions from State medical associations to come here and ask Con­ It is pertinent to inquire is this connection whether the statutes gress to promote them. Now, that is all there is in this bill. My now in force do not generously provide for superannuated military f1iend from Georgia [Mr. LIVINGSTON] stated the fact absolutely officers. If one could enter civil employment with the under­ when he said be was going to vote for this bill, not because this standing that dming good behavior he would receive fair com­ man was going to promote the service of the United States, not pensation for his services and at the end of a certain period of because he is entitled to $2,000 a year more for the balance of his service be retired with three-quarte1·s or four-fifths pay during the life, but because the State Medical Board of Georgia has asked remainder of his life, we would look upon such a per on as ex­ that he be promoted. tremely fortunate. I believe the pay of our retired officers is 1\fr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker-- large enough. I believe that to constantly increase the allowances Mr. UNDERWOOD. If our constituents send us here to have is sheer extravagance. Presumably when an officer retires from State societies direct us how to cast our votes, we had better go active service, it is at a time of life when his necessities are no home and let them send men here who can do their thinking for greater and presumably much less tha.n during his earlier years. themselves. If he has a family, his sons arid daughters have been educated. Mr. LIVINGSTON. Will the gentleman permit me to correct The expense of living of people of advanced years is certainly no him? greater than that of people in the meridian of life. Mr. UNDERWOOD. Yes. Very early in the history of the Government we concluded to Mr. LIVINGSTON. The gentleman is badly mistaken when provide in their declining years for our military officers. The he says that I predicated my vote on the action of the board. • laws on the statute books do this. I know of no case recently Mr. UNDERWOOD. I understood that to be what the gentle­ where a distinguished military officer has been retired without man said. advancing his rank. We deal with them one by one and pass Mr. LIVINGSTON. No, sir; I gave that simply as an evidence special laws as one after another is retired.• If the pay provided that he was worthy. I want to ask the gentleman one question for retiring officers is too small, the general law should be now. If the gentleman has not read the report of that committee, changed. If it is large enough, legislation originating in the cir­ which he says he has not read, upon what does he predicate his cle of personal friends and promoted as a mere expression of good oppositi\}n to the bill? fellowship is wrong. Mr. UNDERWOOD. I corrected that statement. This rests upon the fact that he has been conspicuous in the 1902. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD- HO-USE. 6197 military service of the country for forty-one years. Has he been in the United States" was not the whole "Army," and as his well paid during that time; did he seek the employment, and was report speaks of" the health of the Army," we will see now what he satisfied with it? There is no complaint that his emolument his report shows the death rate from '' disease '' was amongst as an official was insufficient. The mere fact that retirement at our troops serving outside of the United States-in our colonies. three-fourth's -pay is guaranteed to our officers makes it unneces­ This same report shows that a death rate of our troops serving sary for them during their service to make provision for old age in the Philippine Islands per 1,000 of men was, in 1899, 15.30, which people. in private employment are compelled to do. I see and in 1900, 20.26; that is, 5 more men died from disease in the no reason on earth why bills like this should be brought in one Philippine Islands out of every thousand than in 1899, and about after another. Every man gives some reason why a general law 17 more :i:n 1900 than in 1897, before the Spanish war, when should be revised, and it should not be a personal matter, and our troops were "serving within (the limits of) the United then we could pass upon the general merits of the subject. States." [Here the hammer fell.] _ This report further shows that our troops while serving in Mr. UNDERWOOD. Mr. Speaker, I would like to know how China died at the rate of 23.62 from "disease" out of every much time I have remaining? thousand of soldiers, or 20 more than when serving in the United The SPEAKER. The gentleman has nine minutes remaining. States in 1897. These troops in China-the most of them-came Mr. UNDERWOOD. I yield three minutes to the gentleman from the Philippines, others from Cuba; and although China is a from Alabama. cold climate, they were so broken in health and poisoned with Mr. CLAYTON. Mr. Speaker, I think that the protest of the tropical disease that the death rate was greater in actual warfare gentleman from illinois is very timely. It occm·s to me that than in 1900 or 1899, when in the Philippine Islands in actual there is no principle of justice which demands the passage of this warfare. measure. Certainly no appeal to the charitable feeling we have Yet this distinguished surgeon now asks Congress to promote justifies its passage. It is sought to have Congress pass this and retire him, and on an increased salary, because of his great measure upon the alleged ground of the long and distinguished public service, his friends say, in the fa<:e of this professional and services of the Surgeon-General. Mr. Speaker, the fact is, the official opinion of his, incorporated in his official report and sent proposition, stripped of all excuses, is simply a proposition to to Congress and given to the American people, to inform them give General Sternberg larger pay than he has earned tmder the that " the health of the Army" of the United States "must be law_under the general existing statute. The purpose is that he regarded as having been unusually good during the calendar year may be the recipient of a gratuity, a bounty from Congress. 1900." Now, it is not right for the members of this House totake pub­ He would have Congress and the American people to read his lic money and devote it to such a purpose as that. The Surgeon­ opinion, and the young men who want to join the Army, at the General, in his present rank as brigadier-general, will get three­ same time setting forth certified information in his report that fourths of the $5,500 that he draws as a brigadier-general; and fairly overthrows and repudiates his opinion, and shows that it is under this measure, if this bill should become law, he would unfounded and altogether misleading, however little he may have draw three-fourths of $7,500. He would get about $1,500 more than intended to mislead. he is entitled to under the existing law. May I ask what right have Now, when an officer of this Government will allow such offi­ we to take the public money, coming from the people by way of ciallanguage as this, which I have quoted, to go before Congress taxat~on, to give to some official who has beeri pleasant in his and the American people to create, as it-has created, the impres­ dealings with us, and who has rendered valuable service to his sion that "the health of our Army" is improving-" unusually country? There is no officer to-day in public service, I dare to good during the calendar year 1900 "-I for one am ready tore­ say, that could not make a strong case why he should be retired tire such a public officer, but without promotion and without an with increased pay. increase in his salary. [Applause.] Every man thinks he is entitled to more pay. Neru:ly every Mr. UNDERWOOD. Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of i:ny man on the :floor of this-House thinks he is entitled to more pay ~~ . as a Congressman. Nearly every man here thinks that if the Mr. HULL. How much ~e has the gentleman from Ala- Government should go into this business, if it go into bounties bama remaining? . · for people who have served their country, there i.s, at least, the The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Alabama has four min- same reason for giving pay to men who have served here a long utes remaining. time as there is to a man like this one, who has drawn public pay Mr. HULL. How much time have I, Mr. Speaker? for forty years. There must be an end to this evil. For one, I The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Iowa has fifteen minutes. cari not vote for this bill. Every time you pass a special bill of this Mr. HULL. I will yield five minutes to the gentleman from sort you create a precedent that is going to give us trouble; and, Virginia [Mr. HAY]. while I do not worship precedents, I do not think we ought to Mr. HAY. Mr. Speaker, I admire as much as anybody can the pass any bill that may create a bad precedent hereafter. stern economy of the gentleman from lllinois [Mr. GANNON] and The SPEAKER. The time of the gentleman has expired. the patriotism of the gentleman from Alabama [Mr. UNDER­ Mr. UNDERWOOD. I yield four minutes to the gentleman wooD], who seem to think that if any bill is brought in here for from Tennessee. the purpose of granting some reward to some man who has Mr. GAINES of Tennessee. Mr. Speaker, I concur in the posi­ distinguished himself the members of the committee who re­ tion. taken by the gentleman from lllinois [Mr. CANNON], that we port the bill, and the gentlemen of the House who vote for it, should stop this kind of legislation. What does this bill propose? ought to be scolded. Now, the gentleman from Alabama says First, to promote an officer to a higher rank; second, then retire that men who come here and vote for bills of this sort, because him; third, with an increased salary. Promote an officer, increase medical societies ask them to do it, ought to stay at home and let his salary, to do w:J;lat? Nothing. This is a drastic and endless­ somebody come here who has a mind of his own. I venture to • chain policy that is in derogation of the public welfare. Through­ say the gentleman from Alabama freqp.ently votes for measures out my career in Congress I have steadfastly opposed such laws. that come before the House in accordance with what he believes But I b,l\ve another reason which I might assign for retiring to be the views of his constituents. the distinguished gentleman for whose benefit this bill is pro­ Now, if there is any profession in this country that is qualified posed-General Sternberg. In his last official report, at page 127, to say who of its members should ~ honored it is the medical General Sternberg says: "The health of the Army must be re­ profession. I am willing to take the views of the medical socie­ garded as having been unusually good dming the calendar year ties of this country upon a question as to whether or not a great of 1900, the medical certificates of which are tabulated in the surgeon and a great physiciap., a man who has rendered great present report." Let us see, then, what the "present report" services to his count1·y and to science, is such a man as should be shows. This, mind you, is the professional and official opinion distinguished and ho:p_ored by the Ame1ican Congress. Such a of General Sternberg. Bear in mind that he is speaking of" the man is General Sternberg. health of the Army" encamped within the limits of the United Gentlemen talk about his having pay, and that, shipped of States and elsewhere, and that he says the health of our Army everything else. the only object of this measure is to give him ad­ "has been unusually good during the calendar year of 1900," as ditional pay. That is not correct. The reason why I support the shown by the present report. measm·e is that, being familiar with the record of General Stern­ His report shows that before the·Spanish war, in the year 1897, berg, knowing the services he has rendered, knowing that he has the death rate amongst our troops" serving in the United States" rendered distinguished services to his country, I believe that he was" 3.14 per 1,000 of men from' disease' only;" that amongst is a fit subject for this Congress to bestow a high honor and a dis- our troops'' serving in the United States" the death rate from tinction upon. - "disease" only, in 1899, was 6.56 out of every thousand of men, Gentlemen say we ought to stop this kind of legislation-that and 4.83 in 1900 per 1,000 of men •: serving in the United States." it has gone far enough. I challenge any gentleman on this floor Even this showing demonstrates that the death rate was higher to point me to a bill of a similar character which has passed this in the _United States-that is, "amongst troops serving in the Congress during the last six years, or even before that time. 1 United States"-in 1900 than in 1897. But the troops "serving would like to ask my distinguished friend from Missomi to tell ..

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me when a bill has passed which is of a character like this. This Mr. GAINES of Tennessee. Then you think this is an iso­ is a bill which stands by itself. There has been no bill of the lated case? kind passed that I know of, except, -perhaps, in the case of Gen­ Mr. HAY. I think so. I think that this gentleman has ren­ eral Corbin. and even that was not on all fours with this bill. dered such service as to make it so. Mr. CLAYTON. That is one reason why I am opposing this Mr. GAINES of Tenne see. Has any other bill of this kind bill. I do not want to create a new precedent. been r eported from your committee? Mr. HAY. No; the gentleman said he opposed this bill because Mr. HAY. Not that I know of. he wan-ted to .stop this kind ·of legislation. · Mr. GAINES of Tennessee. Is there not one for Haywood? Mr. CLAYTON. And because I did not want to make any Mr. HAY. That is a bill which, if reported at all, must ha\e · new precedent. · come from the Committee on Naval Affairs, not from the Com­ :M:r. HAY. If it has not begun, how can it be stopped? What mittee on Military Affairs. objection has the gentleman to bestowing an honor upon a gen­ The SPEAKER. The time of the gentleman from Virginia tleman who has.Tendered such distinguished service? [Mr. H AY] has expired. _ Mr. CL.AYTON. I do not want to create a new precedent. Mr. HULL. I yield five minutes to the gentleman from Geor­ Mr. HAY. The gentleman does not want to do something that gia, Mr. Adamson. ought to de done. Mr. ADAMSON. Mr. Speaker, when tho gentleman from Mr. CLAYTON. I do not agree with the gentleman that it Alabama [Mr. UNDERWOOD] was on the floor I o. ked him a que­ ought to be done~ I do not think we ought to spend the people's tion with the pUl'J>OSe of ascertaining the situation of this matter money in this way. before the Committee on Military Affairs and why no member of Mr. HAY. The gentleman is very chary of the people's money, that committee on this side took charge of this debate rather than ·and yet a great many bills go through this House spending the gentlemen who are not members of that committee. The gentle­ people's money and the gentleman makes no objection to them. man from Alabama being unable to answer my question, I pro­ Mr. CLAYTON. I vote against them every time. cured a copy of the report, and I find that it is unanimous. 1\!h:. HAY. Oh, you vote against them every time. Now, this House does its business mainly, almost entirely, 1\I.r. HANBURY. Will the gentleman allow me? through committees. I find that in the Committee on Military Mr. HAY. Ye. Affairs each side of the House is represented by able gentlemea Mr. HANBURY. Is this the only meritorious casein the Army When that is the cas~, members of the committee on both sides or in the Navy? joining in a report, I generally accept that report, unles some Mr. HAY. It is the only case now before Congress for action, unusual and overpowering reason appears for adopting the con­ and I don't know of any other ea e like it on the Calendar. trary course. If the question involved is a partisan que tion, and Mr. HANBURY. If we grant this one, will you guarantee if any member of the committee dissents, it is generally safe to that you will stop here? go with the man who is farthest away from the Republicans, for 111r. HAY. I can not guarantee what Congre swill do. I will he is generally, according to my notion, found to be nearer say to the gentleman that the Committee on Military Affairs has right. voted down a general bill of this character. But on this question, as I understand, Mr. Speaker, there is not Mr. CLARK. May I ask the gentleman a question? any politics; and on questions connect-ed with the Army and Navy Mr. HAY. Certainly. of the United States there ought never to be any politics. .A dis­ 1\Ir. CLARK. No Surgeon-General has ever been made a major­ tinguished admiral of our Navy was laughed at a few years ago general. when he said he did not know whether he was a Democrat or a Mr. HAY. NoSm·geon-Generalof the Army, but General Van .Republican. But, sir, in Army and Navy matters-in appoint­ Reypen of the Navy has been retired on a rank similar to that. ments and promotions of officers of theArmyor the Navy-there The SPEAKER. The time of the ·gentleman from Virginia has ought not to be any indication of any knowledge of the politics expired. of the persons concerned or any political motives mo"ting to Mr. HULL. I yield the gentleman from Virginia two minutes action. ·more .. Now, Mr. Speaker, inasmuch as there is a unanimous report of 1\Ir. CLARK. If this bill is pa sed, does not it follow that the members of this committee, and as no gentleman on the com­ every retiring Slu-geon-General hereafter will come in and apply mittee rises to oppose this bill, and inasmuch as a pen1Sal of the to be retired as a major-general? report shows that the members of that committee were not dere­ l\11·. HAY. Not at all; it does not follow by any means. lict in duty in the investigation of this bill, but took all measures Mr. GREEN of Pennsylvania. I would like to a k the gentle­ for reaching a correct conclu ion, and did, in my judgment, reach man a question. a correct conclusion. I intend to vote for the bill. The SPEAKER. Does the gentleman from Virginia yield to Mr. HULL. I ask the gentleman from All:l>bama [Mr. UNDER­ the gentleman from Pennsylvania? wooD] to occupy now the remainder of his time. Mr. HAY. Certainly. The SPEAKER. The ~entleman from Alabama has four min­ Mr. GREEN of P ennsylvania. Was this General Sternberg utes remaining. the surgeon who had charge of Camp George H. Thomas, at 1\fr. UNDERWOOD. Mr. Speaker, I wish to call the attention Chickamauga during the war with Spain? of the House to the fact that General Sternberg receives as a Mr. HAY. Not at all. brigadier-general $5,500 a year. In addition to that he receives, Mr. GREEN of Pennsylvania. I understood that he was. I understand, longevity pay amounting to 40 per cent of his I'eg­ ·Mr. HAY. This officer is the Surgeon-General of the .Army, ular salary. and did not have charge of any particular camp. Mr. HULL. Oh, no; he does not get any "fogy" pay, as it is Mr. GREEN of Pennsylvania. But he had charge of the man called. who did have charge of that camp. Mr. UNDERWOOD. I understood he did. Mr. HAY. He had general supeTvision of that camp and of Mr. HULL. No, sir. others, but he had no immediate charge of it. J\.!r. UNDERWOOD, Well, then, as a brigadier-general he would Mr. GREEN of P ennsylvania. It seems to me he had his retire on three-fourths of his salary of $5,500. As a major­ headquarters down there. general he will retire on three-fourths of $7,500. Mr. HAY. The gentleman is entirely mistaken. He ought to Now, here is the whole proposition p1·esented to us. The Gov­ know that the Surgeon-General of the Army is stationed here at ernment of the United States is not supposed to -pay officers in the War Department and has his headquarters here. any branch of its service unless they render value received. In Mr. GREEN of Pennsylvania. We heard a good deal about other words, this Government is not supposed to grant to its citi­ him down there. zellil annuities, bounties, gratuities. It is not in conformity with Mr. HAY. You are thinking of your frioo.d from Pennsylvania, om· ideas of a republican form of government. Of course I know General Huidekoper. [Laughter.] that there are other governments which do this. The English Gov­ Mr. GAINES of Tennessee. As I understand, the gentleman ernment does that. It is talking now about granting a great gra­ from Virginia [Mr. HAY} states that his committee has refused tuity to General Kitchener when he returns to England for de­ to report a general bill of this kind. feating the Boers in their effort to maintain their liberty. Those Mr. HAY. Yes, ir. things are done by other gov;ernments, but it is not supposed to Mr. GAINES of Tennessee. Why? be done by our Government. J\fr. HAY. Because we did not think that such legislation Now, no matter what the services of General Sternberg are, would be wise or proper. This is a bill that stands by itself­ how valuable they have been, this bill, as my friend from Vir­ stands on its own merits-stands on the merits of the man con­ _ginia [Mr. HAY] says-and I am not dispo ed to lecture anybody, cerned. but I can not agree with some of my friends here who think that 1\lr. GAINES of Tennessee. Could not the other bill stand on a member of this House ought to shut· his brains and his mind its merit? when a committee comes in here and brings in a report, whether . Mr. llAY. It had to do that; but we did not think it had they agree with him or not, and if I am on a committee and make a sufficient merit to justify us in reporting it. report to this House I am perfectly willing for every other member

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of the House to disagree with it, and I claim only that privilege question here. I think he has earned it, and I do not believe this tomyself-- House is establishing a dangerous precedent when it grants it. Mr. HAY. Mr. Speaker, I did not claim that. Mr. HEPBURN. I understand the gentlemen who have par­ Mr. UNDERWOOD. I am referring to the gentleman from ticipated in this debate to say that this is a new case; that this Georgia [Mr. ADAMSON]. All I -say is this: General Sternberg has never been done before with regard to any officer of this has been promoted in the service to the highest rank of his corps; grade in this branch of the service. he has Teceived all the honoTs that this Government has eve!' be­ Mr. HULL. I will say to the gentleman that since I have been stowed on any man occupying his position, and there are gTeat on the committee I do not remember any case where a bill has men who have filled the place. passed Congress providing that a man on retirement should be Mr. VANDIVER. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman permit an advanced a grade-that is, an individual bill. interruption? Mr. HEPBURN. Then it is a reward for some peculiarly dis., Mr. UNDERWOOD. Yes. tinguished service. It is our method of decorating an officer be­ Mr. VANDIVER. How long has tr!1 valuable service of Gen­ cause of something remarkable that he has done in his service. eral SternbeTg's continued that it should merit such great pro­ Now, will the gentleman kindly point out to the Hous~ what this motion? particular officer bas done in the way of great contributions to Mr. CAPRON. Forly-one years. science; not in general terms, but what he has done? That is Mr. UNDERWOOD. The gentleman has been in the Army what I want to know. for forty-one years. I do not know how long he has been serving Mr. HULL. Well, I will say, for one thing, that the adminis­ as Surgeon-General, but from all the Teports I say he has been an tration of the Army, after the organization was completed, not - able and efficient officer. in the first stage, when we multiplied our Army ten times, but Mr. CLAYTON. He has been Surgeon-General nine years. after the system had been devised, has been such that the per­ Mr. UNDERWOOD. I do not question that, but I do saythat centage of sickness in the Philippines has been less than in any when you go out of your way to grant him this gratuity, to make other army that we have ever had. · him a major-general simply because there is a sentiment worked up Mr. CAPRON. Will my friend yield for a moment? in the United States for that purpose, a manufactured sentiment, Mr. HULL. Yes. · then you simply open the door to have the brigadier-general who 1\.fr. CAPRON. I should like to state to the gentleman from is the head of the Commissary Department of the Army, and the Iowa [Mr. HEPBURN], in answer to his inquiry as to what the brigadier-general who is the head of the Quarte!'master-General's Surgeon-General has done that was.remarkable in advancing the Department, and eveTy other brigadier-general who heads a great cause of science, that if he had only done the one thing of dis­ department in the Army of the United States, to come here with covering, by his examination and careful investigation, a method his friends to tell you what efficient services he has rendered to the of destroying yellow fever in the island of Cnba by destroying Army and to the Government of the United States and ask you the mosquito which carried the yellow-fever germ, that would to give him for the balance of his life $2,000 additional pay to have been, sufficient to decorate him as a man entitled to the that which he contracted to receive when he entered the service, highest place in medical science in the whole world. and which the Government of the United States contracted to Mr. HEPBURN. Does the medical profession give this gentle- pay him. There is no reason on earth why this man should be man the credit of that discovery? · given this gTatuity, except that you say you give it to him be­ Mr. CAPRON. I understand that it is generally accredited to cause he is a good fellow, and has friends among the physicans General Sternberg by the entire medical profession. " of this country, scattered between two great oceans. Mr. HEPBURN. I never heard of it before. · Mr. VANDIVER. Mr. Speaker, the gentleman slightly mis­ Mr. CAPRON. There are a great many things the gentleman understood my question. I mean how long has he been in the never heard of before. service in his present rank? Mr. HULL. It does seem to me that the importance of this bill Mr. UNDERWOOD. About nine years. is not of that overpowering nature that men should be afraid of The SPEAKER. The time of the gentleman has expired. . making a precedent of it. So far as I am concerned, since Con­ Mr. HULL. 1\fr. Speaker, I yield one minute to the gentleman gress passed" the Navy personnel bill, by which every man who from Illinois [Mr. JETT]. served in the Navy during the civil war and was in the Navy at Mr. JETT. Mr. Speaker, I think that most every member of the time of the passage of the bill was entitled to promotion one this House ha-S known my position upon the question of the re­ grade on retirement, I have been in favor of giving the Army tirement of Army officers. I did on one occasion express myself equal credit and equa) honor. very freely in relation to this subject, but in this particular case The Committee on Military Affairs have practically decided I am in favor of extending this honor to the Surgeon-General of against that, and, through the action of the minority largely, have the Army, General Sternberg. It is not because of the fact that decided in favor of letting each individual stand upon his own I desire to give him more money, but it is because of the fact that merits; and with that idea in_view this bill is brought before the I think he is entitled to this recognition for the great aid and House. . assistance which he has rendered to humanity, and if any gentle­ The SPEAKER. The gentleman's time has expired. The time man who is opposing this bill will undertake to and make that for debate on both sides has expired. The question is on the mo­ character of inve~tigation that this committee has made, I feel tion of the gentleman from Iowa to suspend the rnles and take sure that he will reach the same conclusion that the members of from the Speaker's table the bill which is under consideration the committee have reached. and pass the same. Mr. HULL. Mr. Speaker, I want to say one word in conclu­ The question being taken, the Speaker announced that the noes sion, and especially in reference to the statement made by the appeared to have it. gentleman from Alab.ama [Mr. UNDERWOOD] as to the amount Mr. HULL demanded a division. of pay. It is the advancement of one grade for General Stern­ Mr. UNDERWOOD demanded the yeas and nays. berg if tli1s bill shall pass the House; it is an incr,e,ttse of pay of The yeas and nays were ordered. · $1,500 a year, three-quarters of the difference between a major­ The question was taken; and there were-yeas 69, nays 102, general and a brigadier-general, and I want to say to the gentle­ answered" present" 11, not voting 169; as follows: man from Alabama that the total pay on the retired list, if this YEAS-69. bill shall pass the House, as I figure it, would be $5,625 a year. Adamson, Eddy, Mondell, Steele, And if you will take into consideration the distinguished abilitv Alexander, Esch, Moody,N. C. Stewart, N. J. of this man, his long service, his contributions to the cause of Allen, Me. Evans, Moody, Oreg. Storm, Bates, Fletcher, Mudd, Sulloway, science, no man in this House will believe for a moment that in Brick, Graham, Overstreet, Tawney, private life he could not have made seven or eight times as much Bromwell, Greene, Mass. Parker, Tayler, Ohio as his salary as an Army officer. Brown, Grosvenor, Patterson, Pa. Taylor, Ala. Brownlow, Hamilton, Payne, Tomi>_kins, Ohio Mr. CLAYTON. Then, why did he not get out and go at it? Burton, Haskins, Prmce, Van Voorhis. Mr. HULL. The point as to the pay, in my judgment, has Capron, Ray,N. Y. Vreeland, nothing to do with this question. It is a question of recognizing Connell, ~Ji·. Reeves, Wadsworth, Coombs, Jenkins, Rumple, Wanger, the Surgeon-General of the Army in a small way. Corliss, Jett, Shafroth, Warnock, Mr. CLAYTON. May I interrupt the gentleman? Cousins, Ketcham, Showalter, Watson, Mr. HULL. No. Cushman, Lessler, Sibley, Woods. Dalzell, Littlefield, Sm.itll; Iowa The SPEAKER. Does the gentleman from Iowa yield to his Deemer, Livingston, Southwick, colleague? Draper, McLachlan, Spen-y, Mr. HULL. Not for the present. I will in a minute. The NAYS-102. question before this House is whether a man of forty-one years' Ball, Tex. Bowie, Burnett, Cochran, -service-nine years as Surgeon-General of the Army, with dis­ Barney, Breazeale, Candler, Cooney, tinguished service in the cause of science-shall receive a recog­ Bartlett, Brundidge, Cannon, Cowherd, &ell, Burgess, Cassingham, Cromer, nition at the time of his retirement that will place him on an Bellamy, Burkett., Clark, Crumpacker, equality with his brother officer of the Navy. That is the main Bowersock, Burleson, Clayton, Davis, Fla. 6200 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. JUNE 2,

DeArmond, Kehoe, Moss, Smith, Ky. when his name was called, and if he was unable to hear it he Edwards, Kern, Needham, Smith, H. C. would have been entitled to vote. Finley, Kitchin, Claude Neville, Spight, .Fitzgerald, Kitchin, Wm. W. Nevin, Stark, Mr. McCLEARY. I was in during a part of the roll, but not Gaines, W.Va. Kleberg, Perkins, Stephens, Tex. when my name was called. Gibson, Lamb, Pierce, Sulzer, The result of the vote was then announced as above recorded. Glenn, Landis, Powers, Mass. Sutherland, Green, Pa. Lanham. Randellil Tex. Thayer, MESSAGE FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. Hanbury, Latimer, Ransde , La. Thomas, Iowa Haugen. Lawrence, Reeder, Tirrell, A message fro~ the Presi~ent of the United States, by "!.fr. B. F. Henry, Conn. Little, Reid, Tompkins. N.Y. BARNES, one of his secretanes, announced that the President had Hem·y, Miss. Lloyd, Rhea, Underwood, Hepburn, McCall, Richardson, Tenn. Vandiver, approved and signed bills of the following. titleS! Hitt, McCulloch, Rixey, Wachter, On May 31, 1902: • Hooker~ McLain, Robinson, Nebr. Warner, H. R. 8466. An act granting a pension to Lucinda A. Sirwell· Howara, McRae, Ryan, Williams, ill. Irwin, Maddox, Shallenberger, Williams, Miss. H. R. 9226. An act granting a pension to Elizabeth I. Ogden: Johnson, Mercer, Sims, Wooten. H. R. 9249. An act granting a pension to Amos Allport; ' Jones, Va. Minor, Slayden, H. R. 9928. An act grant~ng pensiC?n to Benjamin E. Styles; Jones, Wash. Morgan, Small, H. R. 11343. An actgrantingapens10n toMaryLouiseLowry· ANSWERED "PRESENT "-11. H. R. 12685. An act grant~g a pens~ on to Hiram J. Springfieid; Gilbert, Knapp, Naphen, Wheeler, H. R. 13350. An act granting a pens10n to Presley P. Medlin· Griggs, Lacey Rucker, Wright. Grow, McCleilan, Thompson, H. R. 13807. An act granting a pension to Jeremiah Horam ·' NOT VOTING-169. H. R. 14099. An act granting a pension to Samantha B. Van Acheson, Dick, Joy, Powers. Me. Brocklin; Adams, Dinsmore, Kahn, Pugsley, H. R. 8921. An act granting an increase of pension to Jesse Allen, Ky. Dougherty, Kluttz, Richardson, Ala. C. Rhodabeck; Aplin., Douglas, Knox, Robb, Babcock, Dovener, Kyle, Robarts, H. R. 9437. An act granting an increase of pension to Elias Ball• pel. Driscoll, Lassiter, Robertson, La. A. Calkins; Ban.K.nead, Elliott, Lester, Robinson, Ind. H. R. 9569. An act granting an increase of pension to Albert Bartholdt, Emerson, Lever, Ruppert, Beidler, Feely, Lewis, Ga. Russell, Beits; Belmont, Fleming, Lewis, Pa. Scarborough, H. R. 9926. An act granting an increase of pension to James Benton, Flood. Lindsay, Schirm, F. Patton; · Bingham, Foerderer, Littauer, Scott, Bishop, Fordney, Long, Selby, H. R. 10165. An act granting an increase of pension to Delia Blackburn, Foss, Loud, Shackleford, E. Slocum; Blakeney, Foster, ill. Loudenslager, Shattuc, H. R. 10201. An act granting an increase of pension to Otis Boreing, Foster, Vt. Lovering, Shelden, Boutell, Fowler, McAndrews, Sheppard, R. Freeman; Brantley, l<'ox, McCleary, Sherman, H. R. 10731. An act granting an increase of pension to Samuel Bristow, Gaines, Tenn. McDermott, Skiles, P. Milburn; Broussard. Gardner, Mich. Mahon, Smith, ill. Bull, Gardner, N.J. Mahoney, Smith, S. W. H. R. 11285. An act granting an increase of pension to William Bm·k Pa. Gill, Mann, Smith,Wm.Alden Sheldon; Burke, S.Dak. Gillet, N.Y. Marshall, Snodgrass, H. R. 11644. An act granting an increase of pension to Edgar Burleigh, Gillett, Mass. Martin, Snook, Butler, Mo. Goldfogle, Maynard, Southard, A. Hamilton; ButlerhPa. Gooch, Metcalf, Sparkman. H. R. 11921. An act granting an increase of pension to George Calder ead, Gordon, Meyer, La. Stevens, Minn. W. DeGraw; Caldwell, Graff, Mickey, Stewart, N.Y. Cassel, Griffith, Miers, Ind. Swanson, H. R. 12012. An ~t granting an increase of pension to Walter Conner, Hall, Miller, Talbert, C. Tuttle; Conry, Heatwole, Moon, Tate, H. R. 13753. An act granting a pension to Hannah T. Knowles; Cooper, Tex. Hedge, Morrell, Thoii.las, N.C. Cooper, Wis. Hemenway, J\forr!sJ Tongue, H. R. 12778. An act ~p:anting an inerease of pension to Edward Creamer, Henry, Tex. Mutcruer, Trimble, R. Blair ·Crowley, Hildebrant, Newlands, H. R. 12458. An act granting an increase of pension to William Currier' Hill, NOlmsortoten!. ~~· Curtis, Holliday, a, Wiley: M. Barstow; , Dahle, Hopkins, Otjen, Wilson, H . R. 12562. An act granting an increase of pension to William Darragh, Howell, Padgett, Young, H. Temple; Davey, La. Hughes, Palmer, Zenor. Davidson, Jack, Patterson, Tenn. H. R. 12780. An act granting an increase of pension to William Dayton. Jackson, Kans. Pearre, H. Wheeler; . DeGraffenreid Jackson, Md. Pou, H. R. 13132. An act granting an increase of pension to Annie So the motion to suspend the ru1es and p~ss the bill was re- Cotter; jected, two-thirds not voting in favor thereof. · H. R. 13162. An act granting an increase of pension to Augustin The following additional pairs were announced: M. Adams; :Mr. BISHOP with Mr. LESTER, for this day. H. R. 13249. An act granting an increase of pension to Ada :Mr. SHERMAN with Mr. RUPPERT. Trowbridge; Mr. Joy with Mr. LEVER. H. R. 13265. An act granting an increase of pension to John On this vote: Whalen; :Mr. BARTHOLDT with :Mr. WILEY. H. R. 13.266. An act granting an increase of pension to Elbert Mr. LACEY with Mr. SNODGRASS. N. Remson~ and , . • Mr. DAHLE with Mr. SPARKMAN. H. R. 13503~act granting an increase of pension to Charles Mr. GILL with Mr. FEELY. Haltenhof. • :Mr. HEMENWAY with Mr. MAHONEY. TRANSFER OF ERTAIN FOREST RESER~ TO THE CONTROL OF :Mr. MANN with Mr. :MicKEY. . DEP ARTMlli~T OF AGRICULTURE. Mr. RANDELL of Texas. Mr. Speaker, I was listening for my name, and it was not called. I wish to vote. Mr. LACEY. Mr. Speaker, I move to suspend the rules and The name of :Mr. RANDELL of Texas was called, and he voted pass the resolution which I send to the Clerk's desk. The Clerk read as follows: "nay." Resolved, That it shall be in order immediately upon the adoption of this :Mr. GRIGGS. :Mr. Speaker, I am paired with the gentleman resolution to take up and consider in the Hq,use, as in the Committee of the from illinois [M.r. BouTELL]. I am informed that he is not pres­ Whole, the bill (H. R . 11536) entitled "A bill to transfer certain forest reserves ent, and I therefore desire to change my vote from "nay" to to the control of the Department of Agriculture, to authorize ~ame and fish "present." · protection in forest reserves, and for other purpose," and consider the same The name of Mr. GRIGGS was called, and he voted "present." until disposed of by the House. Mr. McCLEARY. Mr. Speaker, I would like to be recorded as Mr. RICHARDSON of Tennessee. Mr. Speaker, I demand a '' present.'' second. 'fhe SPEAKER. Did the gentleman vote? Mr. LACEY. I ask unanimous consent that a second may be Mr. McCLE~illY. I did not. considered as ordered. The SPEAKER. Was the gentleman listening to his name, The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Iowa asks unanimous when his name was called? consent that a second may be considered as ordered. Is there ob­ Mr. McCLEARY. I was temporarily out of the Hall, Mr. jection? [After a pause.] The Chair hears none. The gentle­ man from Iowa and the gentleman from Tennessee are recognized.- Speaker. The SPEAKER. The gentleman has no more right to be re- Mr. LACEY. Mr. Speaker, this bill has been on the Calendar corded·' present'' than to vote. The condition to enable him to vote since last March, but instead of moving to suspend the rules and is that he must be able to say that he w3:s in his place and listening pass the bill with the amendments it was thought best that it be 1902. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HO-USE. 6201 .

considered in the House as in Committee of the Whole, because may be set aside for the protection of game and prese1·vation of there might be some additional amendments suggested, and some animals that are about to disappear. It provides in-the broadest question as to some amendments. I will say briefly in outlining possible way for keepers and all that kind of thing, and section S t;his bill that it is a measure that was introduced to carry out the does what I have never know:o. to be done it my recollection; it suggestion of the President in his message to Congress last De- says that all costs and expenses arising in cases under this act -cember. The details of the bill, briefly, are these: There are cer- and properly chargeable to the United States shall be certified, tain reservations that have been fully surveyed, their boundaries approved, and paid as like costs and expenses in the courts of the definitely established, and their permanency agreed upon. There United States are certified and approved of under the laws of the are certain other forest reserves whose boundaries are yet in proc- United States. ess of alignment. - Mr. LACEY. I will say to my friend from illinoiS, in answer This proposition is to permit the President to issue an Executive to that suggestion, that section 8 is existing law, and it was put order and transfer to the Department of Agriculture such of the in there out of caution so as to make it certain that no different reservations only as have been finally and fully established as to method of accounting would be required from that under exist­ their boundary lines. It also provides, second, that with the con- ing law. sent or at the request of the governor of any State in which a for- Mr. CANNON. And yet section 8 is broad enough and has est reserve is located the whole or a part of such reservation may that wonderful power that is meant, as I understand it, to do be set apart as a game preserve. Now, practically these are the anything and everything; it provides for agents and regulations, two features of this bill. At the present we have two bureaus of preservations, and having costs certified and paid. I do not speak forestry, one u.nde1· the Department of the Interior and the other of that as an argument against the bill. It may be that it is ab­ under the Department of Agriculture. The Department of Agri- solutely proper; I am not prepared to say in two minutes that it culture is better adapted for the permanent care and permanent is not; but I make the remark to see if the gentleman is not will­ protection of such of the reserves as have been fully and finally ing to modify his motion and let u.s consider the matter in Com­ established -as to their boundaries. On the other hand, as to those mittee of the Whole. I would be glad if the gentleman could see reservations whose boundaries are still in process of delimitation, his way to modify his motion and let this very important matter the Department of the Interior is now the better to control the be considered as it should be in Committee of the Whole. same. Mr. BELL. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask if this goes In a general way this bill provides for these two matters. As into Committee of the Whole, it may not be passed by a majority to creating forest reserves or transferring them or portions of vote? them into game preserves, it was thought best not to attempt to do Mr. CANNON. Oh, well, this is a motion to suspend the rules that in any State without the consent of the State. That would to consider, and it takes two-thirds to do that. It would take result, first, in having a concerted action on the part of the State two-thirds to send it to the Committee of the Whole. Of course and a mutuality of action which would lead to harmony and pre- it takes two-thirds to suspend the 1·ules. I am not antagonizing, vent the establisbment of such reserves where they ro·e not wanted. so far a-s I am concerned, the consideration of the measure; I am On the other hand, it would enable the Executive, with the con- willing_ that it be considered; but I believe it is of so much im­ sent of the governor of the S~te, to set apart one of these reserves portance that I will again ask my friend [Mr. LACEY] if he will in each State or a part thereof, or even more if the governor of not modify his motion. the State should so agree, as a haven of refuge in which the wild Mr. LACEY. Mr. Speaker, personally, of course, I would be animals and birds could breed and from that point spread out. quite as willing to have the bill considered in Committee of the over the State. This would not interfere with the other uses of Whole as considered in the Home as in Committee of the Whole. the forest reserve. In other words, it would set apart a breeding I see substantially no difference. g1·ound where desired by States for that purpose. This js prac- The SPEAKER. The Chair will state to the gentleman that tically all the1·e is in this bill, and with this explanation I reserve it will require unanimous consent for the gentleman to modify the balance of my time. his motion now. Mr. STEPHENS of Texas. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask Mr. LACEY. I will then ask unanimous consent to make the the gentleman a question with reference to the bill. modification. The SPEAKER. Does the gentleman from Iowa yield to the The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Iowa [Mr. LACEY] asks gentleman from Texas? unanimous consent to modify his motion so a-s to move that the Mr. LACEY. I will yield. bill be considered in Committee of the Whole instead of being Mr. STEPHENS of Texas. Does this change the law with ref- considered in the House a-s in Committee of the Whole. [A erence to mining upon the reserves? pause.] The Chair hears no objection, and that modification is Mr. LACEY. It does not. made. Mr. STEPHENS of Texas. I understand that at present the Mr. LACEY. Now, I reserve the balance of my time. forest reserves are subject to the mining laws. The SPEAKER. If the proposition of the gentleman from Mr. LACEY. They are. Iowa in its present form be adopted the bill will be considered in Mr. STEPHENS of Texas. And this makes no change? Committee of the Whole House on the state of the Union, not in Mr. LACEY. No change of any existing law except it trans- the House as in Committee of the Whole. The gentleman from fers the control and administration to the Department of Agri- Iowa reserves his time. culture, and as to allowing the whole or a part of such reserve as ~ir. RICHARDSON of Tennessee. If I understand, the ques­ the State may desire to be set apart as a game reserve. I would tion as now presented to us in padiamentary form is about tlris: suggest, in answer t.o my friend from Texas, that this bill under Those who are opposed to the passage of this measure should vote this re olution will be read in the House as in Committee of the against the adoption of the resolution as it now comes before us­ Whole, and give full opportunity to look at all the details of the that is, should vote against considering the bill in the Committee bill. of the Whole-because if this resolution be defeated the bill ca.n . 1\ir. CANNON. Will not the gentleman from Iowa modify his not be considered at all to-day except by unanimous consent, motion to suspend the rules and let the bill be considered in the which, I take it, can not be obtained. A vote of two-thirds. there­ Committee of the Whole House? fore, against the adoption of this rule will defeat the bill. If, Mr. LACEY. Instead of in the House as in Committee of the however, the proposed rule should be adopted and the House Whole? should consider the bill in Committee of the Whole, then, as · Mr. CANNON. Yes; for this reason: For the first time I have stated by the gentleman from Illinois [Mr. CANNON], a majmity read it-not thoroughly, but only glanced at it-and it seems to of the House can, if they see fit, pass the bill in the Committee me that there ought to be some general debate on it. It seems to of the Whole and also in the House of Representatives. me there ought to be that freedom of amendment and discussion Mr. LACEY. And it would be subject to amendment in Com- that would come in the Committee of the Whole House. This mittee of the Whole. - legislation goes a long way, a-s my friend knows. It may be that Mr. RICHARDSON of Tennessee. Of course, as are all other it is wise, but it creates a forestry bureau in the Ag1icultural bills. But the point I wish to emphasize is that if it is desired to Department-- defeat the measure those who wish to defeat it would do so most :Mr. LACEY. Oh, my friend is mistaken about that. effectually by voting against the adoption of this ru1e, which, Mr. CANNON. Well, it transfers it-- as has been stated, will require a two-thirds vote. Mr. LACEY. That bureau has been in existence for years. I am not familiar enough with the provisions of the bill to dis- Mr. CANNON. It transfers the forest reserves of a certain cuss it fully on its merits; but it seems to me it is a bill of too kind to the Agricultural Department and it keeps the forest re- much importance to be considered any other way than in Com­ serves of another kind in the Department of the Interior. In mittee of the Whole House. The bill increases the number of addition to that it comes with a wonderful sweeping provision in officers; it transfers various matters pertaining to the forest re­ some of its criminal features; by regulation of the Department serve& now belonging to the Interior Department to the Agricul­ the.regulation becomeslawwithapenalty anditprovidesfurther, tural Department; but it does not transfer the whole subject­ among other things, in the broadest possible way, that reserves·' matter. The result, it seems to me, would be that we should have 6202 OONGR,ESSIONAL RECORD- -HOUSE. JUNE .2,

a part of this forest-reserve business administered in the Agricul- I .In Utah you are aw&!·e that ~er~ recent~y p.as been 2,000,000 acres o~ land tural Department arid another part in the Interior Department withdra.wn from the Umta Moun tams. This IS the qnly tract of land m t~e . . . . . ' mountams of Utah that has not already been set aSide as a reserve. If thiS and, as stated m the VIews of the mmonty, which I have glanced territory is set aside as a reserve there will be no land in the State of at hastily, this arrangement must result in great confusion. Utah in ~hi~h stock can graze~~~ summer time, it being ~possible ~or Mr. STEPHENS of Texas. It seems also to contemplate that them to live m the deserts. Tp..is will be a severe blow to the live:stock m- · · hall . . . . . dustryof Utah. In the sand hills of westernNebraskatheyhn.veWithdrawn t h e State or Terntonal laws s have JUrisdiction over certam vast tracts of sand hills for the :Qurpose of a reservation. rl'here is not a tree offenses committed in these res~rves, while the Federal courts on hundreds of miles o~ this land, and ne-yer will be. It is only fit for grazing shall have jurisdiction of certain other offenses. purposes, and nev~r will be fit fo: anything else. . . These reservat10ns generally mclude tracts of agncultural and grazing Mr. RICHARDSON of Tennessee. I noticed that also. It lands, and the exclUsion of stock from the use of these grasses is a hardship seems to me the bill will make such confusfon as to render it al- upon the stockmen at this time when grazing land and grasse are so scarce. most impossible to administer affairs properly in the two depart- There is O?J.lY one section in the .West that I k?J.ow of where ~he people seem to be m favor of the extenSion of reservations, and that IS in a por- ment s. tion of Wyoming. I now yield five minutes to the gentleman from Colorado [Mr. Yours, very truly, C. F. MARTIN, Secretm'1J. BELL]. l\fr. RICHARDSON of Tennessee. Mr. Speaker, I now yield Mr. BELL. Mr. Speaker, we in the West are ents that effective cooperation between the law or the terms of any other law under which he has attempted Government and the men who utilize the resour ces of the reserves, without which the interests of both must suffer. The scientific bm·eaus generally to gain title to the land, or whether ornothehas committed a tres­ should b e put under the Department of Agriculture. The President should pass upon either the public lands or upon the forest reserves, and have by law the power of transferring Janas for use as forest reserves t.o the consequently you will have conflicting- policies and conflicting Department of Agrieulture. He already has such power in the case of lands needed by the Departments of War and the Navy. jurisdiction arise. The wise administration of the forest reserves will.be not less helpful to It is true that there is in the Agricultural Department what is the inte1·ests which depend on water than to those which depend on wood called a Forestry Bureau, and a very excellent one of its kind; -and grass. The water supply itself depends upon the forest. In the arid region it is water, not land, which measures production. The western half but that bureau was-not inaugurated for the purpose of attend­ of the United.States would sustain a population greater than that of our ing to these large tracts of land. Its duties relate more to the whole country to-day if the waters that now run to waste were saved and · issuing of scientific works on how properly to plant and rear ru:ed for irrigation. The forest and water problems are perhaps the most forests, and at what stage timber ought to be cut. It& work is vital internal questions of the United States. more in the nature of scientific work than the personal super­ .1\Ir. NEEDHAM. Now, Mr. Speaker, this bill simply author­ vision of these reserves. When legal questions arise as to whether izes the President by proclamation to transfer certain of the for­ a person is entitled to land under a certain law of the United est reserves of the country, which have been finally marked, to States, whether it is in these reservations or upon the public do­ the Department of Agriculture to be administered by that De­ main, that question goes to the Interior Department for settle­ partment. It does not transfer the question of titles or of legal ment. In other words, they have a complete machinery there now, administration, l:.ut simply the control and protection of the for­ not only for the purpose of administering the laws, but also for ests to the Agricultural Department; and, in my judgment, it policing the for st reserves and the other public lands covered will be a long step in advance in the cause of forestry protection. with forests. It seems tome that to divide this, to saythat46,000 ,- I believe the President was right when he recommended this spe­ 000 acres in tracts scattered over the country should be trans­ cific legislation. This bill is before the House in accordance with ferred to the Agricultural Department, would result in nothing the recommendation of the President, and I sincerely hope that it but confusion.- may become a law. If an officer of the United States found that somebody was do­ Mr. S~AFROTH. Will the gentleman yield m me for a ing something wrong on a forest reserve, he would not go to the question? Agricultural Department, because the legal machinery is not Mr. NEEDHAM. Yes. there; and in any other case where it was necessary to put the 1\fr. SHAFROTH. Why can not every advantage to be gained legal machinery of the Government into operation it would be by this bill be gained by ad.ministering this in the Interior nece sary to go to the other Department. These officers would Department? be answerable to the Agricultural Department, when the final de­ Mr. NEEDHA1\i. Because the Forestry Bureau is a scientific termination of the matter would be in the Interior Department. bureau, which studies the subject from a scientific standpoint, So, it seems to me it would result in nothing but confusion. It and the care of our forests properly belongs to this scientific bu­ will result in bureaucracy. It will result in almost doubling the reau of the Government. number of men who will be necessary properly to patrol these Mr. SHAFROTH. Why would it not be better to transfer that two different classes of public lands. For those reasons, it seems scientific bureau to the Interior Department, which has the actual to me, the bill ought not to pass. administration of the forests? Mr. SLAYDEN. Will the gentleman permit a question? Mr. NEEDHAM. I think the answer is given in the Presi­ . The SPEAKER. The time of the gentleman from Colorado dent's message, because the scientific part certainly properly be­ has expired. longs to the Agricultura1 Bureau. I hope the bill will pass. · l\1r. RICHARDSON of Tennl3ssee. I yield to the gentleman The SPEAKER. The time of the gentleman has expired. from Colorado one minute in which to answer the question of the Mr. LACEY. I yield five minutes to the gentleman from gentleman from Texas. Arkansas. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Tennessee has fom·min­ Mr. McRAE. Mr. Speaker, without committing myself to all the provisions of this bill, I am unqualifiedly in favor of that u~s rema.injng. provision which transfers the forestry division of the Interior Mr. SLAYDEN. I should like to ask the gentleman if this law Department to that of Agriculture. There is nothing whatever 1s not intended further to protect the existing forests and to se­ in the suggestion that this bill, if passed, will multiply offices. cure to coming generations the advantages incident to the pres­ The Agricultural Department can administer and cftre for the ervation of those forests, and if"the opposition to this bill in many forest reserves just as economically as the Interior Department, parts of the West-I do not say in the gentleman's case-is not and I believe will get better results. largely due to selfish business reasons? It ought to be transferred, because forestry is akin to agri­ Mr. SHAFROTH. No; not in my judgment. culture; and if there is anything in the question of forestry it Mr. SLAYDEN. I am asking for information. should be taught by those interested in it. The people ought' to Mr. SHAFROTH. I am not opposing this upon the ground be educated to the importance of forestry as a business. They of any opposition to forest reserves. I am opposing it upon the ought to be made to understand that our trees are one of our ground that it is a multiplication of officers, and that you are greatest sources of wealth that now exists, and should be pre­ dividing between two departments the questions that will arise served, cultivated, and utilized in the most economical way. A instead of keeping them all under one central head. proper administTation of the national reserves will be an object Mr. SLAYDEN. Will not the enactment of this law tend to lesson for all the people, and the department which will give the presei:ve the forests? most attention to that feature of it is the one that ought to have Mr. SHAFROTH. No; it has no provisions relating to pres­ the control of them. ervation. It is only a question as to which of two departments The President is right in asking this transfer, and the public will shall control. sustain him in mainta~ing the reserves in a business-like way. The SPEAKER. The time of the gentleman has expired. We are wa,sting-we are wasting, I repeat-rapidly one of the gTeat Mr. RICHARDSON of Tennessee. I reserve the remainder of items of wealth by permitting our timber to be destroyed. In my time. fifty years we will realize our mistake. This bill provides that The SPEAKER. Tiie gentleman from Tennessee has three no enlargement of a forest reserve nor a new one shall be made minutes remaining. without the consent of the gDvernor of the State, which does not Mr. LACEY. Howmuch time have I remaining, Mr. Speaker? exist in the present law, and in that respect defers to local senti­ Tl.te SPEAKER. The gentleman has ejght minutes. · ment more than the existing law. 1\fr. LACEY. I yield three minutes to the gentleman from Mr. RODEY. Why not have that right extended to the Terri­ California [Mr. NEEDHAM]. ·tories? Mr. NEEDHAM. Mr. Speake1·, as a member of the Commit­ Mr. McRAE. I am perfectlywilling to do that. I presume, tee on the Public Lands I am heartily in favor of this bill. It is however, it w~s not done because the governol' of a Territory is the here because of a specific recommendation of the President of creature of the President, while the governor of a State is not. the United States. I Will ask the Cle1·k to read in my time that What I want to emphasize more than anything else is this: We portion of the President's message dealing specifically with this have started to establish and maintain forest reserves. Public subject. sentiment justifies it, not only in the communities in which they The SPEAKE~. The Clerk will read. exist, with few exceptions, but throughout the length and breadth

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of our common country; and when the Interior Department has passing the bill that matter can be fully considered when we get surveyed the boundaries and fixed the title, I think it should then into Committee of the Whole. I hope we will have a unanimous tum the reserve over to the Agricultural Department to admin- vote to consider this bill. As to what finally to do .with it will ister. · • be a question the House, when it comes into committee, can con­ The work of one ceases where the other b egins. When estab­ sider, and in its wisdom will do what is right. The proposition lished we v;:ant men to handle it who can teach the agriculturists to take care of the forest reserves is of vital importance and about the different kinds of timber, and the value of it, and how worthy of the highest consideration for the Congre s of the to u tilize it, when to cut the trees, when it is ripe-how to utilize United States. it so as to get the most out of it. In order to accomplish this The SPEAKER. The question is on suspending the rules and result I am willing, if n ecessary, to array myself against those who adopting the resolution. . want free grazing furnished by the United States. The question was taken; and on a division (demanded by Mr. . Now, Mr. Sp2aker , it seems to me that we ought not to hesitate SHAFROTH) there were-93 ayes and 15 noes. to take up and consider this bill. If there i anything in it that So (twq-thirds having voted in the affirmative) the resolution gentlemen want to strike out, that can be done. There are some was agreed to. amendments that ought to be made. I know. I have one myself, Mr. SULZER. Mr. Speaker, I move to suspend the rules and but the administration should be in the Agricultural Department. pass the bill (H. R. 9976) to encouTage salmon cultuxe in Alaska, Mr. RICHARDSON of Tennessee. I yield three minutes to the and for the protection of persons engaged in the production thereof. gentleman from Colorado, and then the gentleman from Iowa The bill was read, as follows: can conclude. Be tt enacted, etc., That any person or persons who heretofore or hereafter Mr. SHAFROTH. Mr. Speaker, the objection to the position may establish and maintainahatch eryfortheartifi.ci.a.l product1on of salmon in the district of Alaska shall be entitled to the exclusive right of all fish that of the gentleman from Arkansas is this: There is no objection such hatchery may produce in excess of the· normal product of such stream to the transfer of the supervision of all public forest lands, in­ for a distance of 1 mile in all directions in tide water fi·om the mouth of the cluding the forest reserves, to the Agricultural Department, if stream upon which such hatchery may be located. SEC. 2. That when the average normal product of any stream on which a. you will do it, or retain it in the Interior Department. Either is hatchery may be maintained shall have oeen taken within 1 mile of the all right; but what I object to is cutting the lands in two, giving mouth of faid stream in any one year by :::my p!trty or parties, then the re­ one-half of it to the AgTicultural Department and half of it to the maining fish produced by said hatchery shaH be the property of the owner or owners of said hakhery for a distance of 1 mile in all directions in tide Interior Department. How can there be good administration of water I r om the mouth of sa'd hatchery stream, and for a further distance these forest reserves or the public land if you are going to .have of 4 miles in all d rections in tide water it sha ~ be unlawful for any party or the administration of part of it in one department and part of it parties to take fish of the kind prop3gated by the hatchery for whose pro­ tect:on this law is enacted. in another department. SEC. 3. Tnat in case other stro::tms producing sa1mon of the mme kind as Mr. WIVLIAMS of Mississippi. Will the gentleman allow me those produced by the h atchery so protected shall intervene w thin a dis­ to ask him a question? tance of 5 miles, then the normal product of such intervening stream shall b a incl uded in and added to the normal product of such hatchery stream, Mr. SHAFROTH. Certainly. subject to the same conditions as are prov.ded in section 2 of this act. Mr. WILLIAMS of Mississippi. Are not all the forest reserves SEa. 4. That the provisions and immunities of this act shall apply to bar­ ·here set apart to be reserved as forest reserves transferred to this ren steams and lakes that shall have been stocked with fish from artificial hatcheries. Bureau in the Agricultural Department? SEc. 5. That in case two or more persons shall maintain hatcheries on the Mr. SHAFROTH. Yes, sir. same stre.'l.m or stockbarren lakes or streams, such p ersons shall be entitled Mr. WILLIAMS of Mississippi. And the only forests that are to their proportionate number of adult fish so produced, and each party shall file a sworn statement of his or their output of young fry with the nearest kept under the Interior Department are those that have not been United States commissioner each year. m ade forest reserves and are still part of the public domain? SEc. G. That native Indians may at all times take sufficient fish for food Mr. SHAFROTH. They are still a part of the public domain. or for drying for winter use as food for themselves or families, and fishing with the rod shall be open and free for all p ersons. Mr. WILLIAMS of Mississippi. And subject to entry? SEC. 7. That the Secretary of the Treasury is hereby authorized to grant Mr. SHAFROTH. And suhjeGt to entry. leases in accordance with the fores-oing sections of this act, for a period not Mr. WILLIAMS of Mississippi. And subject to be cleared for to exceed twenty years from the time the product of their hatcheries shall return, to an persons producing satisfactory proof of having maintained agricultural purposes? hatcheries on any of the streams of Alaska not producing, in a normal state, Mr. SHAFROTH. Yes, sir. more than 10,000 salmon of the h-ind propagated by said hatchery; euch lease Mr. WILLIAMS of Mississippi. Then, not being forests, no subject to r anewal at the discretion of the Secretary of the Treasury: Pt·o­ vided That before any such lease shall be granted the party or parties mak­ pHt of the forestry question is concerned? . ing application therefor shall accompany such application with proof suffi­ Mr. SHAFROTH. Oh, yes; there are purely forestry ques­ cient to establish the normal product of such stream; and no per on shall be tions concerning them, because you will find that a large part of entitled to more than one hatchery lease or the privilege of stocking more than three barren lakes or streams and being protected in the produet thereof. the land called the public domain is like the forest reserves and Corporations owning and operating canneries shall b e entitled to one · n 6ver will be taken up, because not fit for agricultural purposes. hatchery franchise for each cannery so operated and no more. All hawh­ When forest fires get in there they create as much havoc and de­ eries that may have been started and maintained on streams producing more than 10,000 salmon of the kind propagated prior to the passage of thi act shall struction as when they get into the forest reserve. They are so be entitled to all immunities of hatcheries established on streams producing similar you can not tell where the forest reserves end and the not more than 10,000, a.s provided in this section. public forests begin, and consequently will have men patrolling SEc. 8. That all right.a and privileges granted by this bill are subject to ths one side of an imaginary line on the public land an~ yet in the supervision and regulation and repeal by Congress. forest reserves have another force. Conflicting administration During the reading of the bill the following took place: and conflicting jurisdiction will surely result. Mr. GROSVENOR. Mr. Speaker, I make the point of order Mr. McRAE. Will the gentleman refer me to the statute ap­ that this bill is not lawfully before the House, coming from tha pointing rangers except on forest reserves? Committee on Territories. This is a bill relating to fish and fish Mr; SHAFROTH. I do not know as I can call the gentleman's culture, and is a general bill, and therefore I have the 1·ight to attention to where it is, but they do supervise and do put out make the point of order at this time that it has no status here. forest fires on all public lands, and my impression is there are forest Mr. RICHARDSON of Tennessee. But a motion to suspend 1·angers, not only for forest reserves, but for the public domain. the rules would suspend those rules. 1\Ir. McRAE. I think the gentleman from Colorado is mistaken. Mr. SULZER. No doubt about that. Mr. SHAFROTH. You will find them going onto the public The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Ohio knows that·on in­ domain and attempting to put out the fires there. They have a dividual suspension day a bill may be brought up that never has general supervision of all the timber of the country, and I know been before any committee. the Interior Department has a number of inspectors that go all 1\ir. GROSVENOR. But this bill has been sent to a commit­ over the country examining into cases of trespass and a.s to vio­ tee, and the wTong committee. lation of the law as to leaving camp fires and as to forest fires, J.\.Ir. SULZER. I diffeT with the gentleman. irrespective as to whether they were in the forest reservations or The SPEAKER. That does not disqualify it. The Chair over- on the public domain. rules the point of order. Mr. McRAE. The gentleman is referring to the inspectors of The Clerk completed the Teading of the bill. fraudulent titles. Mr. CANNON. Mr. Speaker, I demand a second. The SPEAKER. The time of the gentleman from Colorado Mr. SULZER. I ask unanimous consent, Mr. Speaker, that a has expired. second be considered as ordered. Mr. LACEY. Mr. Speaker, in the minute remaining I wish to· The SPEAKER. The gentleman f1·om New York asks unani­ say to the House that in the Committee of the Whole any ques­ mous consent that a second be considered a.s ordered. Is there tion about the propriety of this bill that may come up, and any objection? amendment that ought to be made can be presented. The only There was no objection. question now before the House is whether this measm·e, which The SPEAKER. The gentleman from New York and the gen­ was suggested by the President of the United States in his annual tleman from Illinois will control the time. message, shall have the consideration of this House. Mr. SULZER. Mr. Speaker, this bill has been before the As to the character of that consideration, and the· propriety of House on two different occasions, and on both occasions has been , 1902. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-ROUSE. 6205 printed in full in the RECORD. The bill was discussed last week into this question. I have studied it. Every commercial body in the House. in .Alaska, the people generally of ·Alaska, and the men who have Let me now reiterate that this bill was prepared with much established fish hatcheries there, all favor the passage of this bill. care, scrupulously considered by the Committee on the Territories, It is right, it is fair, it is just, it is honest, it is meritorious; and and after a painsta1.."ing hearing unanimously reported to the there ought to be absolutely no objection to it. House. No one who understands the question will honestly op­ A peculiarity of the red salmon is that they will not frequent a pose this bill. The people of Alaska-those most interested­ stream unless it has a lake that they can reach, where they may want this bill to pass. The Commissioner of Fisheries is in favor lay and ripen before ascending to spawn in the small steams that of the bill, the Treasury Department favors it, and so far as I am put into the lake. Fully one-half of the small steams that pro­ aware there is no opposition to it. duce a large percentage of the salmon of southeastern Alaska All that the bill does is to give the Secretary of the Treasury have no lakes on them, and fully three-fifths of those that have the right to grant a lease for a period of twenty years to those lakes are barred by falls between the lake and tidewater, over people who, at their own expense, establish in Alaska fish hatch­ which fish can not pass; hence the scarcity of this valuable spe­ eries for the artificial propagation of salmon. The bill leaves the cies of fish. The coh

Mr. CANNON. I yield five minutes to the ~ gentleman from ought to be caug}lt. I think this .is one of the .times that the Wyoming "[Mr. MoNDELL]. catcher ought to have on his gloves. Now, what does this bill {lo? :Mr. MOND-ELL. Mr. Speaker, this is a rather r.emarkable F~rst, how much country does it cover? In.replytothat question, piece of legislation. It is a radical change in the policy of this it covers the whole Alaskan coast, every stream that empties into Government in-the matter of fisheries. It is a proposition to es­ the ocean-the whole shooting match-thousands and thousands tablish a fish monopoly on the coast of Alaska. It is a proposition of miles. Those waters are said to teem with salmon. I will ask to transfer from the control of all the people the fisheries of that the gentleman from NewYork [Mr. SULZER] if he kno:ws bow magnificent coast and put them under the control of a few can­ many cannery establishments are up there now? ning companies. Mr. SULZER. Yes. The gentleman from New YOTk [Mr. SULZER] says he has been Mr. CANNON. How many? in Alaska. I nave also had the pleasure of ~king an .Alaskan Mr. SULZER. There are 5.9 canneries in this country. trip~ at the time that the gentleman from New York was there. Mr. CANNON. Fifty-nine cannm-y establishments in Alaska, A-t the time I was in Alaska a measure of this kind was being dis­ ana it is alleged-! don''t "know whether it is tl'lle or not-that cussed by the canners. I was spoken to in regard to legislation they are so impTovident in the taking of the salmon that exter­ of this che.racter and the suggestion was-made that it would be a mination is threatened. In other words, 59 people or 59 corpora­ good thing. 1J: agree that it would be an excellent thing-for the tions, with their great canning establishments, are ther.e on the companies which own ·canneries, for the men who annually outfit ground and selfishly are about to destroy the very industi-y upon ships in California and Oregon, load them with Chinese, and p:ro­ which they feed. Now, that is the allegation. How much truth ceed to the Northern s·eas to devastate the fiSheries of that coast, there isin it I do not know. Now, what does this bill.pro_pose the.gentlemen wbo, contra:ry·tothe law, in defiance of the law, to do? and in defiance of the niles-and regulations established under the Mr. SULZER. And another thing that the gentleman from law, are depleting the fisheries of Alaska. This is a proposition Illinois does not know is, 'he does not "know anything about this to give them furthe1· opportunity to monopolize the fisheries of bill or the report. "The gentleman agreed to read the report when that coast. 1t is true ·that this bill-- the bill was up in the House last week, and he ·has not read the Mr. SULZER rose. report. Mr. MONDELL. The gentleman woula not yield to me, and .Mr. CANNON. 1 do not have to l'ead the report to I'ead, when I must decline to yie1a. J have only five minutes. I see the bill~ what I believe to }?e improvident. Mr. SULZER. I only wanted to know whether the gentleman Mr. SULZER. Well, the gentleman ought to lrnowwllat be is had read the report. If he had done so, I do not think he could talking about. make the speech he is making. Mr. CANNON. I think I do know what I am talking about. 1\!r. 1\IONDELL. It is true that this bill pur.por.ts only to Mr. GROSVENOR. I wish the gentlemanfrom illinois would create a monopoly as to fisb in excess of the '' normal run.'' But point out, if he can, right in connection with what he is saying, who is going to decide what the "normal run '' of the salmon in what right the Government would have left to Jn·opagate fish up any of the streams of Ala-ska is? Who but the men who now are there after these rights were given to these canneries? established there in the canning business and who will be the Mr. CANNON. Precisely. .Now, what does the bill do? I only parties interested in .determining what the ''normal run ' ' is? quote from the language of the bill: They having depleted· the streams so that the run is small­ That any person or persons wholleret<>fore or hereafter- much less than fOTmerly-we are to allow these gentlemen to You catch them coming and going- come in and prove the" nm·mal run," and then by establishing a may establishandmruntaina.hatchery fortheartificia.lproduction of salmon cannery at the mouth of a stream they are to have a monopoly of in Alaska, etc. the stream for all time to come. - How big a hatchery? One-and-a-half-bushel box? One in a The gentleman from New York says tnat-this monopoly will hogshead: one.that will cost 30 cents; one that-will cost $10,000? be only for twenty years; the bill eays for twenty years from the The bill doeE not say. I say here for the expenditure of $10 you time when the product of the.hatcheries return. Who is geing can establish a hatchery. The bill is silent as to which kind of a to decide when the product of these hatcheries are to retm'Il? hatchery. Now, ·what else? Who is there on earth who is going to be able to determine when S.hall be entitled to the exclusive rights of all fish that such hatchery may the spawn from these hatcheries, having _gone to the deep sea,. produce in excess of the normal product of such stream for a distance-of ·1 shall all have returned to the stl'eams where they were hatched? mile in :loll directionsin·tiae water from the mouth of the stream upon which This bill. establishes practically fol' all time a monopoly of ·the such hatchery may 'be locat-ea. • fisheries of that magnificent coast-not only the fisheries of the Now, -where do they put their hatcb.eries? Down at the moutb small streams, but the fisheries of the enormous streams like the of the stream, do -they not? Karluk, which now runs 2,000,000 .per -annum} it is said. Who 1\fr. SULZER. No. isio determine what the "''normal run" of that stream is? And Mr. CANNON. Well, near there. the Karluk cannmies having established a·hatchery at the mouth 1\fr. SULZER. No. of that stream, who is going to determine when the '' nor.malrun '' Mr. CANNON. Near tide water. of that stream is caught? Who is :going to determine when the Mr. SULZER. Not at all. product of those hatcheries bave all returned? Mr. CANNON. Well, there is where they get these salmon. Mr. GAINES of Tennessee. Ha-ve we not a governor up there Mr. --8ULZER. No; they do not get the salmon there, either. who can .make such a mpOl't? The gentleman is not fami1.iar with this subject. Mr. MONDELL. We have a governor there, but I .hardly -Mr. CANNON. The doctors seem to disagree about it. think that the governor, though he is a very intelligent gentle­ Mr. SULZER. 'The gentleman is not familiar with this sub~ man, will be.able to tag all the small fry as they run into the sea ject. and then determine wben the last one bas finally returned. I Mr.· CANNON. I am familiar enough to criticise this bill, and know and honor the governor, but .he is finite; none- but infinite I am entitled to the right t.o do it, if it ought to be criti':?ised. wisdom could determine those facts. Mr. SULZER. The genfieman c1iticises everything. J',ir. GAINES of Tennessee. Why can not the governo1· make M-r. CANNON. Oh, certainly; I criticise every bill that in my a report? We have incTeased his salary to $5,000. judgment ought to be criticised, and there aTe a great number of Mr. MONDELL. We have never had a report from the gov- them that do not get the criticism they might-well have. [Ap­ -ernor or anybody .else advocating this sort of measm·e. The gen­ plause.] tleman says that the agent of the Interior Department up there Shall be entitled t:> the exclusive right of all fish that such hatchery may produce in excess of the ·normal product of such stre8Ill for a distance of 1 is favm·able to it. The agent says that he does not believe that mile in a1l directions in tidewater from the mouth of the stream upon which this is the way to settle the queBtion of the depletion of the fish­ such hatchery may be located. elies in Alaska. He says -the proper method to pm·sue there, and And 'Yet my friend says they do not fish there. If they do not I agree with him, is for the Government to establish hatohelies, fish there, then it is a bal'ren right, because the way of a fish in for the Government to increase the number of fish on that coast, the sea is one thing that could not be feund out in ancient times, and I think the Government -should do it by imposing a tax upon the cannedes along the coast. . as well as that af a serpent on a rock and a bird in the air. The SPEAKER. The time of the gentleman has exphed. Now, what next? MT. G .AINES of Tennessee. They certainly can .get a Ieport SEC. 8- from the governor, and that is what the.gentleman was inquiring N ow, listen: about. . SEC. 3. That in case other streams .Producing salmon of the s.ene wit hin a. dis­ Mr. MONDELL. Iha.ve made no such inquiry. tance of 5 miles, then the nol'"mal product of such intervening s tream shall Mr. CANNON. Mr. Speaker,l cl'av..etheattentionoftheliouse be inch1ded in and added to the norm:1l :product of such hatchery stre..1.m, just-for a few moments. This is like a great .many other JU'opo­ subject to the same conaitions as are proVIded in saction 2 of this act. sitions that come on suspension day that you bave got to catch on That .is, you can put your hatchery on one stream, and if there the fly. Sometimes it ought not to be caught. Othel' times it is another within 5 miles ,you are entitled to the fish there, 1902. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 6207

because, I suppose, the fish might get mixed. Well, now~ what bill to encourage salmon culture inAlaska;and farthe protection next? Just listen: of the persons engaged in the production thereof." Throughout SEc. 7. That the Secretary of the Treasury is her-eby authorized to grant my entire lifetime I ·have frequently experienced difficulty in at­ leases in accordance with the foregoing sections of this act, for a perioO. not tempting to talk upon subjects with which I was not familiar. I to exceed twenty years from th-e time the product of their hatcheries shall am laboring somewhat under that embarrassment upon this ceca­ return. to all persons producing satisfactory proof of having maintained hatcheries on any of the streams of Alaska not producing, in a normal state, sion. But having been requested to say a few words regarding m01-e than 10.000 salmon of the kind propagated by said hatchery; such lease this bill I will do so within the ·very narrow scope of my informa- subjeet to renewal at the discretion of the Secremry of the Treasury. tion upon the subject. Now, here we are, four, or five, or six thousand miles away-the This bl,II, and the genera1 consideration of the subject, came Lord knows how far, I do not. Who is to execute this law? The u.p before the Committee on Territories, of which committee I Treasury Department. How? Through its agents sent up there. am a member. I have no interest in this bill nor the subject­ Now, I have had some experienee, and I do not have to read the matter to which it relates, more than the common patriotic in­ I-eport that the g.antleman refers to. I have had experience and terest possessed by every legislator here. Therefore I have no observation touching the Treasury Department in Alaskan waters. ambition and no desire to push through this House the legislation Mr. OTJEN. May I interrn!}t the gentleman? oon.tained in this bill, if in the judgment of a majority here the Mr. CANNON. In a moment. I have been helping make ap- bill ought not to pass. propriations year in and year out touching the seal indnstry We had before the Committee on Territories when we were under the Treasury Department, and now I am not singling out considering this bill men who were familiar with the salmon fish­ any agent~ but in that great industry I am here to say that in my eries in Alaska-men who were certainly competent and presum­ opinion the heart of neglect, not to use a stronger term, has been ably honest. It was the judgment of these men that some leg­ found in that service about the Treasury agent. Why, he did islation must be enacted, and enacted very soon, to encourage not have to be greased to enable the parties in interest in catch- salmon culture in Alaska, or that very productive industry of ing seals to swall-ow him. [Laughter.] Now, you are going to that region will cease by reason of the total destruction of the establish these salmon fisheries and hatcheries and give this lease salmon. for twenty years, renewable for twenty years, to be placed under Now, it was the judgment of these men, as shown by their tes­ the Treasury Department~ 2,000 miles from nowhere, and the timony, which in the form of a printed report is now before this agent of the Treasury Department becomes a means of oppression. House for consideration, that the pTovisions of this bill now be­ You clothe these people with the right by this act to say,·'-' We fore the House were both wise and fair, and if carried into are here at the m-onths of these streams and w.e are protected legislation would greatly encourage the culture of salmon in under the law and under our twenty years' lease," and the poor Alaska. devil who wants to go there and make war against this monopoly It is a matter of common knowledge to every man on the Pa- will be in a pretty uncomfortablf this measure is "A Mr. CUSHMAN.. Certainly.. 6208 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. JUNE 2,

Mr. GROSVENOR. Take the first section of this bill, which have in view who have been favoring it; in other words, to pre­ provides- vent a monopoly there, and also to prevent th~ waste of one of That in case other streams producing salmon of the same kind as those the most remarkable products with which nature has endowed this produced by the hatchery so protected shall intervene within a distance of country. 5 miles, then the normal product of such intervening stream shall be included We have seen our salmon disappear from the Kennebec, from in and added to the normal product of such hatchery stream. t.be Penobscot, and from the Connecticut rivers, or almost utterly Suppose a stream in Alaska-and I assume that there are a great disappear from the waters of those streams, and we have the many of them that have never had any almon produced on them­ same danger confronting us in Alaska. Instead of the bill giving and the hatchery starts up there and puts in its small .fry, and some special rights to the people who are fishing there, it provides then proposes that for twenty years under this bill it shall have that whoever will put in hatcheries there will have privileges in the normal product-that is, all above the normal product. Well, proportion to the hatcheries they put in and that they shall be now, there is no normal·product. And how is the Government to permitted to reap as they may sow. plant that stream in small fry and produce salmon if somebody is But, it has been said, Why not let the Government go on and to come in and be entitled to all above the normal product? Does appropriate money and put in the hatcheries? Why not compel not that exclude the Government from planting fish in that these people who are fishing the streams to put in the hatcheries? stream? Why not give them the privilege of taking the fish which they Mr. CUSHMAN. Perhaps it does; but if that stream has ex­ put in? isted a barren stream through all these years up to the present Mr. MONDELL. I suppose the gentleman from Iowa knows time, and the Government has taken no steps to plant a hatchery that under the present law the canners are obliged to put in there and some one else now desires to do so, are we to say to the hatcheries, but they have violated the law in that particular, man who is ready to begin the work of hatching salmon now and if they had not violated the law there would be no suggestion that he must stand aside and wait, because, forsooth, at some of decimation of the fisheries. time in the dim, uncertain future the Government might be Mr. LACEY. Why, because they can take all the fish that willing to build a hatchery there? Gentlemen have stated on come without putting in hatcheries. Here is a proposition that this floor that if we do not pass this bill there can not be any says to the canners ''You may put in hatcheries and you may fish monopoly in this business. · · . in proportion to the amount of fish you plant." It is a well-known I guess there is no doubt about that, for if something is not fact, as well established as any fact in regard to salmon, that the done to encourage the hatchery of salmon in that region very fish come back to the same streams in which they are spawned, soon, there will not be any product to monopolize. Again I say, just as the bird comes back to the same nest or in the same local­ Is there anything wrong in permitting the man who puts his ity where it was hatched. These fish come back to the same money and his energy into the creating or the ·enlargement of a streams. They have been marked, experimentally, for several staple food product-is there anything wrong in permitting him years in order to establish that fact. to gather a portion of the results of his own labor and investment? If a hatChery is _established and a stream is planted with a Mr. MONDELL. Has that policy been pursued anywhere else million fish, there is a reasonable certainty that a portion of them in the United States up to this time? will return. Of course, there must be millions planted in order Mr. CUSHMAN. I undertake to say that the same or similar that thousands may return, because from the time the eggs are conditions do not exist anywhere else in the UniteaStates. Now, spawned they become the prey of everything that swims in the here is my eloquent young fTiend from Wyoming [Mr. MoNDELL], water. The fish eat the eggs and then the little salmon eat the who is earnestly declaring that the Government at its own ex­ still smaller salmon, and then he in his tun1 is eaten by a salmon pense should put water on the unfruitful lands of this country in a little larger; and so there must be a tremendous amount of sur­ order to make them fruitful (in which I agree with him). But plus provided for. This bill encourages the location of hatch­ now, when it comes to the proposition of permitting a man to eries in Alaska and increases the product, and places the burden plant a fish hatchery on a barren stream in order to make the of it, not upon the Government, but upon the individuals who fish stream fruitful, he does not believe in that policy. _ in those streams, and the monopolies referred to have only the Mr. MONDELL. We propo_se _no monopoly. We only pro­ right to take in those streams the increased amount of fish above pose that the Government dispose of these lands, and that does the normal p>:oduct, :provided the hatcheries are established there.­ not make a monopoly .. It encourages the increase of the fish and delays their extermina­ Mr. CUSHMAN. · But you propose that the man who sows on tion. 160 acres in the spring shall reap what that land produces, and to Mr. MONDELL. This bill provides, among other things, for the exclusion of other people, do you not? _ stocking certain lakes now barren. I want to ask if that is not a Mr. MONDELL. If he pays for it, which these people do departure in legislation-if, in fact, this whole thing is not a de­ not do. parture in legislation-and if the gentleman in his State of Iowa Mr. CUSHMAN. Yes; for the good and sufficient reason that would favor anything of this sort. - you can not sell a stream with a warranty deed. As I have already Mr. LACEY. The quicker we depart from some of our past said, I have no especial interest in this bill. I regret that this ways the better. I have pointed out the Kennebec, the Penob­ matter might not have been the subject of discussion on this floor scot, and the Connecticut as examples of what we have allowed earlier in the session, in order that the people of Alaska might to be done in the past, and the gentleman says we are '' departing · have had an opportunity to express themselves upon the subject. from the sacred precedents of the past.'' I say the quicker we My only reason for advocating the passage of this 'bill is that it depart from those precedents which left the streams barren the seems to me that it would tend to build up and replenish one of wiser will be the people of this day and generation. If we do not their great industries. learn something from the destruction of our natural resources in No man has a just right to suppose that I would intentionally the past, we are unworthy to benefit by the future. advocate on this floor legislation that would be to the injury of This is not a proposition for a monopoly; it is a proposition to the people of Alaska, or any of their material interests. By rea­ encourage the planting of additional fish in Alaska, where they. son of the close commercial union between Alaska and the State are now plentiful, and keep up the splendid supply that has made of Washington, the interests of Alaska are the interests of the Alaska the richest fishery in the world. Mr. Speaker, it seems State of Washington. One word more and I will close my few to me there ought to be no objection to this bill. I am sure my. remarks on this matter. This debate has again emphasized the friend from lllinois would not object to it if he understood it to need for a Delegate on this floor representing the people of Alaska. be merely a question of increasing the SUJ?ply 1·ather than of The Committee on Territories has labored under disadvantages creating a. monopoly. regarding every piece of legislation proposed for Alaska. There Mr. SULZER. Mr. Speaker, I now yield two minutes to the is no one on this floor authorized to speak for them. They should gentleman from Pennsylvania [Mr. GRAHAM]. have a Delegate here who would be responsible to us on the one · Mr. G RAHAI\L _Mr. Speaker, as a member of the Committee on hand and responsible to his people at home on the other. Then the Territories, which considered this bill, I state that we gave full upon o:.!casions of thi kind we would not labor under many of and thorough investigation to this subject. We heard a number these embarras ments. I have a bill now on the Calendar of this of persons from Alaska, and the uniform testimony of all of them House which has for its object the giving to the people of Alaska was that this bill was calculated to increase the output of salmon a Delegate in Congress, and before this session closes I hope to and increase the propagation of fish rather than to decrease it. get it considered ii.nd passed. That is all I have to say upon this Mr. MONDELL. I would like to ask the gentleman if the com­ matter. I believed in the beginning that this was a good bill, mittee hea1·d anybody from Alaska -except a gentleman who has and I believe so now. a hatchery there and the agent of the Interior Department, and Mr. SULZER. Mr. Speaker, I now yield five minutes to the who is opposed to this bill, by the way. There is no other evidence gentleman from Iowa [:M:r. LACEY]. in the report. . Mr. LACEY. Mr. Speaker. I would like to say in answer to Mr. GRAHAM. The!e was also another · gentleman, whose the gentleman from illinois [Mr. CANNON] that the very purpose name I have forgotten. But I want to say to the gentleman from he has in view in opposing this bill is the same that gentlemen Wyoming that I was hp in_Alaska myself last year and visited 1~02. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 6209

this locality. I am not interested in any cannery up there, nor in taking the salmon from the streams owned and controlled by the any company, nor in any hatchery. This gentleman who appeared United States should be obliged to put young back again in suffi­ befqre us stated that he had spent $10,000 of his own cash in es- cient numbers to replenish the waters from which they have taken tablishing a hatchery in Alaska. the fish. If a bill saying that were proposed, I would cheerfully Mr. MONDELL. Did he have the monopoly of 1,600 miles of vote for it; but this bill has forits purpose the giving to somemen coast? rights belonging to the people of the United States for nothing. Mr. GRAHAM. No, sir; we do not propose to give any such The result will be the establishment of salmon-fishing monopo- monopoly in this bill. lies in Al~ska; and as soon as these salmon-fishing monopolies are Mr. MONDELL. If they organize enough companies you will established they will be consolidated, and you will have in this grant a monopoly of that extent. country, so far as salmon are concerned, just exactly what you Mr. GRAHAM. The bill simply provides that if one of these have to-day in beef-a trust regulating the supply and the price. companies_putsin$20,000, theycantakeback-howmuch? Simply This is the start, and I hope there is not a Democrat here who the amount above the normal product of that stream to-day; that will lend his assistance to the passage of a measure of this char­ is, all above what is now taken out of the stream. acter. I hope, perhaps vainly, that there are very few Repub- Mr. MONDELL. Does the gentleman think that it is going to licans who will. · be an easy thing to decide what the "normal product" is? Mr. SULZER. That is a good argument. Mr. GRAHAM. The question is simply this: The man who Mr. GREEN of Pennsylvania. Mr. Speaker, I have studied undertakes this business has to increase the product, bacause the the habits of fish for a good many years, and when anybody makes canneries are to-day, without establishing any hatcheries, taking the statement that any one man is able to tell what the normal out all they can catch. - yield of a river is this year, and to tell to what extent it has been Mr. HULL. Can not the parties engaged in the salmon-catching increased or diminished next year or the year after, I think he is busine s go out to sea and take these fish, it may be, miles away drawing absolutely on his imagination. Then let us not forget from shore? Or do they have to wait till the fish go into the the fact that such legislation will produce no end of litigation, streams or into a hatchery before they catch them? by w.hich those who have money and disposition to .fight only will Mr. GRAHAM. The fish have to come back to the place where be benefited. they are born to spawn. All the evidence shows that. The SPEAKER. The time of the gentleman from Pennsyl- The SPEAKER. The time of the gentleman from Pennsylvania vania has expired. has expired. Mr. SULZER. Mr. Speaker, I yield one minute to the gen.tle- Mr. GRAHAM. I hope I may have one minute more. man from Missouri [Mr. COWHERD] to offer an amendment, Mr. SULZER. I yield the gentleman one minute. which I will accept. Mr. GRAHAM.. The evidence produced before the committee Mr. COWHERD. MI·. Speaker, I desire to offer the following shows that if you propagate a certain kind of young salmon they amendment as an additional section to the bill: have a certain J>ecnliarity. The evidence shows that that same The SPEAKER. That can not be done except by unanimous stream will produce the same kind of fish. They will come back consent. to the same place in which they were spawned without anything Mr. COWHERD. Then I ask unanimous consent to offer the like "tagging." The gentleman from Wyoming [Mr. MONDELL] amendment which I send to the Clerk's desk. asks how you can "tag" these fisb. There is no necessity for The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Missouri asks unani­ " tagging" them. If you plant a certain kind of spawn-say the mous consent that the motion to suspend the rules be so modified long-bodied salmon-in a certain .stream, then the fish you after- as to include the amendment which the Clerk will read. wards catch in that stream are of the same kind-the long-bodied The Clerk read as follows: salmon. SEc. 9. That any person, company, or corporation that has established or Mr · MONDELL. Will not the gentleman qualify his statement shall hereafter establish a cannery for canning salmon in the district of by saying that that is the theory, but that both of the gentlemen Alaska shall also establish and mamtain a hatchery and shall return to the wh b f th 'ttee ta~~;:t .:.t:call that th did streams from which any salmon are taken at least ten times as many salmon 0 were e ore e comm1 S ' 11 ~ Specll.l Y · ey each year as are taken from said stream for the use of said cannery; and any not know as to its truth, that it was simply a theory, that no man person violating this law shall be punished by a :fine not to exceed ,100 for had ever demonstrated it, and they did not know what was the each and every day a cannery is operated without .maintaining a hatchery fact? and returning salmon to the streams as herein provided. Mr. CUSHMAN. That is exactly similar to that beautiful The SPEAKER. Is there objection to the request of the gen- theory that exists in Wyoming-where my friend comes from- tleman from Missouri? and Montana. The theory is that if a man puts his brand on a . Mr. CANNON. Mr. Speaker, I did not catch the amendment calf in the spring that he will_get that animal back when it gets plainly enough to understand exactly what it is. to be a cow. From experience of mine in the land of the" mav- Mr. COWHERD. Mr. Speaker, if the gentleman will permit erick" ancl the "rustler" I am prepared to testify that that is me, I would like to explain it, he reserving the .right to object. • also simply -a theory. It is a beautiful theory, but it does not The proposition is simply to compel anyone establishing a cannery always work out. fLaughter.l - to maintain a hatchery at the same place and to return to the Mr. MONDELL. It does in"Wyoming; it may not in Montana same stream at least ten times as many fish as are taken from it. or Washington. [Laughter.] I understand there is no law that governs that at present. It is Mr. GRAHAM. Allow me to state tbat ex-Governor PoWERS, simply a regulation of the Department, and that regulation they of Maine, who was a member of the subcommittee on this bill, are not able to enforce. I do not pretend to be posted on this, but claims to be an expert in regard to salmon fishery in his State, that is what I have been told. and he favors this measure. The SPEAKER. The time of the gentleman has expired. Mr. MONDELL. Was there any suggestion to apply the meas- Mr. CANNON. Mr. Speaker, I think I shall object, because I ure to the Kennebec and the Penobscot? do not-well, I have no time to state my reasons, but I think I • Mr. GRAHAM. Not in this bill, but if anybodywill establish have good reasons for objecting and therefore do so. hatcheries there I would favor giving them the benefit of this The SPEAKER. The gentleman from illinois objects. legislation. Mr. SULZER. MI·. Speaker, how many minutes have I left? Mr. SULZER. I now ask the gentleman from illinois to use The SPEAKER. Two minutes. the balance of his time. Mr. SULZER. Mr. Speaker, in the two minutes I have remain- Mr. CANNON. How much time have I remaining? ing I desire to state to the House that a philosopher has said that The SPEAKER. Two minutes. the man who makes two blades of grass grow where one grew be- Mr. CANNON. And how much has the gentleman from New fore is a benefactor of mankind. This bill is framed on that Ymk? theo1-y. If it becomes a law, it will surely increase a hundredfold The SPEAKER. Three minutes. the normal product of salmon. It will do so without taxing the ·Mr. CANNON. I yield my two minutes to the gentleman from people a cent or taking one dollar from the public Treasury. . It Pennsylvania [Mr. GREEN]. will benefit the people of Alaska, the people of the Republic, and Mr. GREEN of Pennsylvania. Mr. Speaker, I think that if the people of all the world. I am surprised at the O£POSition to members of the Honse will take up section 4 of this bill they will this bill. find that it will throw some light on the subject. Under this sec- The subtle tactics of the gentleman from Wyoming [Mr. MoN­ tion if parties deposit hatched salmon in a lake or a barren stream DELL] and the covert manipulations of the gentleman from llii­ (as they maycall it), then whether those fish or some others hap- nois [Mr. GANNON] are beyond my comprehension. They can :pen to come back there, the f.act that they have been taken there only be reconciled on the hypothesis of ignorance. We know the £lstablishes for the benefit of the parties depositing the spawn or gentleman from illinois [:Mr. CANNON], after he gets through all young in that stream or lake an absolute monopoly of the salmon his big appropriations-many of them as uncalled for as they are found in the waters. - unjust-becomes in a spirit of repentance the " watchdog of the It seems to me that the law which would be proper-..and wise Treasury " and objects to every other measure that is brought :up on this subject would be a law providing that the men who are in the Honse . .XX.XV-389 6210 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. JUNE 2,

But, sir, I repeat, this bill does not take a dollar from the Treas­ The SPEAKER. The gentleman from New York asks unani­ ury. This bill does not create a monopoly. It does not grant mous consent that the gentleman from Massachu etts [Mr. Mc­ any special privileges. It does not discriminate, it treats all the CA.LL] have leave to file the views of the minority on the bill same, and is for the benefit of the many. I am as much opposed H. R. 13387- _ to monopoly as is the gentleman from Pennsylvania [Mr. GREEN], Mr. PAYNE. During the present week. and if this bill created a monopoly, if it gave any man rights that The SPEAKER. During the present week. Is there objection? any other man was not entitled to, I would be opposed to it, and Mr. RICHARDSON of Tennessee. Let the title of the bill be I never would have introduced it. reported. Several gentlemen have asked for it. The gentleman from Pennsylvania [Mr. GREEN] glibly prates Mr. PAYNE. It is the fur-seal bill. about monopoly. If he knows what he is talking about, he is The SPEAKER. The Chair hears no objection, and it is so talking for the greatest monopoly in Alaska-the canning trust­ ordered. and if he does not know that, then he is ignorant of the facts in ENROLLED BILLS PRESENTED TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED this case. I suggest that he read the report. This bill is opposed to monopolies. It will destroy a monopoly. STA.TES. I know something of the canning trust. Whatever opposition Mr. WACHTER, from the Committee on Enrolled Bills, re­ this bill has comes from that monopolistic source. I say that the ported that they had presented this day to the President of the man who t oils, who invests his own money and creates artifi­ United States for his approval bills and joint resolutions of the cially a thousand fish where nature creates only one, that he ought following titles: to have, to say the least, the right by law to a part of the increase H.- J. Res. 172. A joint resolution authorizing the Secretary of his industry, his toil, and the sweat of his brow make possible, War to loan to the Morgan Memorial Association of Winchester, and that is all that this bill does. [Applause.] Va., certain Revolutionary trophies at Allegheny Arsenal, Pitts­ The SPEAKER. The time of the gentleman has expired. The burg Pa.: question is on the motion of the gentleman from New York. H. J. R 'Js. 113. A joint resolution authorizing the use and im­ The question was taken; and on a division (demanded by Mr. provement of Governors Island, Boston Harbor; C NNON) there were-ayes 56, noes 56. H. R. 989. An act to authorize the Light-House Board to pay So, two-thirds not having voted for the bill, the motion to sus­ to Chamblin, Delaney & Scott the sum of $1,704.46; pend the rules and passage was rejected. H. R. 13614. An act granting an increase of pension to William The SPEAKER laid before the House the following request for H. White; the return of bills to the Senate: H. R. 13037. An act granting an increase of pension to Francis IN THE SE~ATE OF THE U iiTED STATES, May S1, 1902. W. Anderton; Resolved, That the Secretary be direeted to request the House of Repre­ H. R. 12983. An act granting an increase of pension to Eleanor sentatives to return to the Senate the bill (S. 1920) for the relief of Albert C. Emerson; Brown. H. R. 12779. An act granting an increase of pension to George IN THE SENATE OF THE UNlTED STATES, May 31, 1902. Chamberlin; . Resolved, That the Secretary be directed to request the House of Repre­ senta.tives to return to the Senate the bill (S. 557) for the relief of H. B. Mat­ H. R . 12428. An act g1·anting an inc1·ease of pension to Eliza­ teosian. beth G. Getty; IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES, May 31, 1902. H. R. 12422. An act granting an increase of pension to David Resolved, That the Secretary be dh·ected to r equest the Honse of Repre­ Topper; sentatives to return to the Senate the bill (S. 19) for the relief of George A. Orr. H. R . 11288. An act granting an increase of pension to William The SPEAKER. If there be no objection, these several re­ E. Ball; quests will be granted. H. R. 11124. An act granting an increase of pension to Mary Scott; There was no objection. H. R. 9833. An act granting an increase of pension to Margaret McCuen; PROTECTION OF THE PRESIDENT. H. R. 9695. An act granting an increase of pension to Evaline :Mr. GROSVENOR. Mr. Speaker, I make a privileged report, Jenkins; which I ask the Clerk to read. H. R . 8487. An act granting an increase of pension to John M . The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Ohio calls up a privi­ Crist; leged report, which will be read by the Clerk. H. R. 8134. An act granting an increase of pension to James The Clerk read as follows: H. Dunn; The Committee on Rnles, to whom was referred the resolution of the H. R . 7560. An act g1·anting an increase of pension to George Honse No. 2::5, have had the same under consideration and respectfnlly re­ W. Butler; port the same with the recommendation that it be agreed to with the fol­ lowing amendments: H. R. 6718. "An act granting an increase of pension to Andraw Lines 7 and S, strike out the words "said motion that the Honse resolve R. Jones; itself into Committee of the Whole House on the state of the Union for." H. R. 6625. An act granting an increase of pension to MaryS. Line 9, strike out the word ' act" and insert the word "measure." Line 10 strike out the words "the act and amendments shall have been." Downing; Add at the end of the resolution, ' but this order shall not interfere with H. R. 6330. An act granting an increase of pension to Willi:u.il 1·evenue or appropriation bills or conference reports." D. Tanner; Mr. RICHARDSON of Tennessee. Let us have the resolution H. R . 6037. An act granting an increase of pension to Williaw reported as amended. C. Holcomb; Mr. GROSVENOR. The report is all right. H . R. 5551. An act g1·anting an increase of pension to Charl6J Mr. DALZELL. If the Clerk will report the resolution as it Edwarde Price Lance, alias Edward Price; was introduced into the House, a{3 changed by the interlined H. R. 5475. An act g1·anting an increase of pension to Augus~ words in pencil, he can read the resolution as amended. Schill, alias August Silville; The Clerk read as follows: H. R. 2 57. An act granting an increase of pension to Frances R esol'Ved, That immediately after the adoption of this resolntio:1 it shall C. Haughton; be in order to move that the House rewlve itself into the Committee of the H. R. 2623. An act granting an increase of pension to John Whole Honse on the tate of the Union for the consideration of the Senate act (S. 3653) and the amendments thereto entitled' An act for the protection Smith; of the President of t.he United States, and .for oth~r. purposes·.'' a"9-d the con­ H. R. 2289. An act granting an increase of pension to Pitsar sideration of the sa1d measure shall continue pl1.VJleged until disposed of; Ingram; but this order shall not interfere with revenue or appropriation bills or con­ ference reports. H. R. 2286. An act granting an increase of pension to Mary Etna Poole; Mr. LANHAM. I wish to inquire if this is the resolution as H. R. 13395. An act granting a pension to Arthur J. Bushnell; amended? H. R. 13211. An act granting a pension to Meli sa Burton; Mr. GROSVENOR. That is the amended resolution, as pro­ H. R. 124:18. An act g1·anting a pension to Matilda C. Clarke; vided for in the report of the committee. H. R. 10782. An act g1·anting a pension to Ole Steensland; Mr. LANHAM. I think there is no objection to its adoption. H. R. 9794. An act granting a pension to Zebulon A. Shipman; The SPEAKER. The question is on agreeing to the amend­ H. R. 9606. An act granting a pension to Charles Blitz; ments. H. R. 7397. An act granting a pension to Louisa White; The amendments were agreed to. . H. R. 5248. An act granting a pension to Frances A. Tillotson; The resolution as amended was agreed to. H . R. 4542. An act granting a pension to Eliza J. West; VIEWS OF MINORITY ON FUR-SEAL BILL. H. R. 10144. An act to donate to the State of Alabama the spars ltir. PAYNE. ltir. Speaker, the gentleman from Minnesota of the captured battle ships Don Juan d'Austria and Almirante [Mr. TAWNEY] this morning reported back the bill H. R. 13387 Oquendo; from the Committee on Ways and :Means. The gentleman from H. R. 10995. An act to regulate the introduction of eggs of game Massachusetts [Mr. McCALL] desired me to ask that he have leave birds for propagation; of the House to file the views of the minority some time during H . R. 13168. An act to establish an additional life-saving station the present week, and I make that request. on Monomoy Island, Massachusetts; 1902. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD- HOUSE. 6211

H. R. 13R95. An act making appropriations for the Department A letter from the Secretary of the Treasury, recommending an of Agriculture for the fiscal year ending June 30, 1903; additional appropriation for expenses of collecting the 'revenu~­ H. R. 14189. An act to permit the occupancy of the public­ to the Committee on Appropriations, and ordered to be printed. printing building by the Grand Army of the Republic; and A letter from the Secretary of the Treasul'y, transmitting a copy H. R. 14589. An act making appropriations to supply additional of a communication from the Supervising Architect ~tubmitting urgent deficiencies in the appropriations for the fiscal year ending an estimate of appropriation for electrical devices in vaults in June 30, 1902. certain public buildings-to the Committee on Approp1·iations, ENROLLED BILLS SIGNED. and ordered to be printed. Mr. WACHTER, from the Committee on Enrolled Bills, reported that they had examined and found truly enrolled bills of the fol­ REPORTS OF COMMITTEES ON PUBLIC BILLS AND lowing titles; when the Speaker signed the same: RESOLUTIONS. H. R. 7319. An act granting an increase of pension to Frances Under clause 2 of Ru1e XIIT, bills and r€\solutions of1ihe follow­ H. Anthony; ing titles were severally reported from committees, delivered to H. R. 13359. An act making appropriations for fortifications the Clerk, and referred to the several Calendars therein named, and other works of defense, for the armament thereof, for the as follows: procurement of heavy ordnance for tiial and service, and for Mr. TAWNEY, from the Committee on Ways and Means, to other purposes; which was refeiTed the bill of the House (H. R. 13387) to amend H. R. 8752. An act authorizing the board of supervisors of an act entitled ''An act to prevent the extermination of fur­ Santa Cruz County, Ariz., to issue bonds for the erection of a bearing animals in Alaska,'' and for other purposes. reported the court-house and jail for said county; same with amendment, accompanied by a report (No. 2303); H. R. 2901. An act to remove the charge of desertion borne which said bill and report were referred to the Committee of the opposite the name of Abram Williams; and Whole House on the state of the Union. H. R. 14018. An act to increase the limit of cost of certain pub­ Mr. KLEBERG from the Committee on the Public Lands. to lic buildings, to authorize the purchase of sites for public build­ which was referred the bill of the House (H. R . 11742)-granting ings, to authorize the erection and completion of public build­ certain lots in Gnadenhutten, Ohio, to Gnadenhutten special ings, and for other purposes. school district, reported the same with amendments, accompanied SENATE BILLS AND JOINT RESOLUTION REFERRED. by a report (No. 2305); which said bill and report were referred Under clause 2 of Rule XXIV, Senate bills and joint resolution to the Committee of the Whole House on the state of the- Union. of the following titles were taken from the Speaker's table and referred to their appropriate committees as indicated below: REPORTS OF COMMITTEES ON PRIVATE BILLS AND S. 5505. An act adjusting certain conflicts respecting State RESOLUTIONS. school-indemnity selections in lieu of school sections in abandoned Under elause 2 of Rule XIII, private bills and resolutions of the military reservations-to the Committee on the Public Lands. following titles were severally reported from committees, deliv­ S. 4616. An act to grant title to the town of Juneau, Alaska, of ered to the Clerk, and referred to the Committee of the Whole . lands occupied for school purposes, and for other purposes-to the House, as follows: Committee on the Public Lands. Mr. PRINCE, from the Committee on Military Affairs, to S. R. 107. Joint resolution to provide for the printing of the which was referred the bill of the House (H. R . 2197) to correct proceedings at the unveiling of the statue of the Count de the military record of John P. Evans, reported the same with Rochambeau-to the Committee on Printing. amendment, accompanied by a report (No. 2306); which said bill H. R. 12648. An act establishing a regular term of United and report were referred to the Private Calendar. States district court in Roanoke City, with Senate amendments­ Mr. ESCH, from the Committee on Military Affairs, to which to the Committee on the Judiciary. was refen-ed the bill of the House (H. R. 6405) removing the S. 2764. An a-ct for the relief of the Mobile and Ohio Railroad charge of desertion fl'om the record of William Harig, reported Company-to the Committee on Claims. the same with amendment, accompanied by a report (No. 2307); S. 5213. An act providing for the selection and retirement of which said bill a.nd repol't were referred to the Private Calendar. medical officers in the Army-to the Committee on Military Mr. GRAFF, from the Committee on Claims, to which Wall re­ Affairs. ferred the bill of the Senate (S. 5079) for the relief of George P. ENROLLED BILLS SIG i'ED. White, reported the same without amendment, accompanied by The SPEAKER announced his signature to enrolled bills and a report (No. 230 ) ; which said bill and report were referred to joint resolution of the following titles: the Private Calen~ar. S. 2276. To fix the time of holding the circuit and district cotuts for the southern disti·ict of West Virginia; PUBLIC BILLS, RESOLUTIONS, AND MEMORIALS. S. 2510. An act extending the time for the commencement and Under clause 3 of Rule XXII, bills, resolutions and memorials completion of the bridge across the Missouri River at or near of the following titles were introduced and severally refeiTed, as Oacoma, S. Dak.; and follows: S. R. 91. Joint resolution providing for the publication of By Mr. RAY of New York: A bill (H. R. 14798) to establish a 50,000 copies of the Special Report on the Diseases of Cattle. laboratory for the study of the criminal, pauper, and defective classes~to the Committee on the Judiciary. LEAVE OF ABSENCE. By Mr. LOUDENSLAGER: A bill (H. R. 14799) to incorporate By unanimous consent, leave of absence was granted as follows: the International Bureau of Information-to the Committee on To Mr. THOMAS of North Carolina, for five days, on a-ccount of the District of Columbia. - important business. By Mr. RAY of New York: A bill (H. R. 14800) amending an To Mr. BISHOP, for five days, on account of death in his act entitled ''An act to define and punish crimes in the district of family. Alaska, and to provide a code of c1iminal procedure for said dis­ To Mr. BouTELL, indefinitely, on account of important business. trict." approved March 3, 1899, and an act entitled "An act mak­ And then, on motion of Mr. PAYNE (at 4 o'clock and 30 min­ ing ftuther provision for a civil government for Alaska, and for utes p. m.), the House adjourned. other purposes," approved June 6, 1900, and for other purposes­ to the Committee on the Judiciary. EXECUTIVE COl\fMUNICATIONS. By Mr. BELLAMY: A bill (H. R. 14801) to make Wilmington·, Under clause 2 of Rule XXIV, the following executive commu­ N.C., a port through which merchandise may be imported for nications were taken from the Speaker's table and referred as fol­ transportation without appraisement-to the Committee on Ways lows: and Means. A letter from the Secretary of War, transmitting a statement Also, a bill (H. R. 14802) for the purchase of real estate, for <>f. the public civil revenues and expenditures in the Philippine revenue and customs purposes, at Wilmington, N. C.-to the Archipelago-to the Committee on Insular Affairs, and ordered Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce. to be printed. By Mr. PEARRE: A bill (H. R. 14.803) authorizing the Secre­ A letter from the Secretary of War, transmitting copies of com­ tary of the Treasury to sell or exchange the site for the United munications relating to the Gasparilla Island Military Reserva­ States post-office and court-house at Cumberland, Md.-to the tion-to the Committee on Military Affairs, and ordered to be Committee on Public Buildings and Grounds. plinted. By Mr. JENKINS: A bill (H. R. 14804) to prevent the use of A letter from the Secretary of War, transmitting a supple­ houses, rooms, or tenements for immoral purposes-to the Com­ mental report on the transport service at San Francisco-to the mittee on the District of Columbia. Committee on l\Iilitary Affairs, and ordered to be printed. By Mr. SLAYDEN: A resolution (H. Res. 284) directing the A letter from the Secretary of the Interior, transmitting copies Secretary of War to inform the House of the number of promo· <>f the journals and minutes of the first legislative assembly of tions made in the Arp:1y since April 1, 1898, etc.-to the Com­ Porto Rico-to the Committee on Insular Affairs. mittee on Military Affairs. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. JUNE 2 · . 6212 ' PRIVATE BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS. urging the passage of House bill 163, to pension employees and Under &use 1 of Rule XXTI, private bills and resolutions of dependents of Life-Saving Service-to the Committee on Intex­ the following titles were introduced and severally referred as state and Foreign Commerce. follows: By Mr. BELL: Resolutions of United Mine Workers' Unions By Mr. BISHOP: A bill (H. R. 14805) granting a pension to of Williamsburg and Bluffside, Colo., favoring the passage of Sarah A. Campbell-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. the Grosvenor anti-injtmction bill-to the Committee on the Ju­ By Mr. BROUSSARD: A bill (H. R. 14806) granting an in­ diciary. crease of pension to Mary Clayton-to the Committee on Invalid By Mr. BOWERSOCK: Resolutions of the joint convention of P ensions. Bankers' Associations of Kansas, Missour·i, and Oklahoma and Also, a bill (H. R. 14807) granting an increase of pension to Indian Territ01ies, opposing the branch banking bill-to the Com- · Josephine White-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. mittee on Banking and Currency. Also, a bill (H. R. 14808) granting an increase of pension to By Mr. CAPRON: Petition of the Woman's Christian Temper­ Emile Breaux-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. ance Union of Warren, R.I., for the passage of a bill to forbid Also, a bill (H. R. 14809) granting an increase of pension to Government liquor selling in Soldiers' Homes and immigrant sta­ Marie A. Daigle-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. tions-to the Committee on Alcoholic Liquor Traffic. Also, a bill (H. R. 14810) granting an increase of pension to . By Mr. qASSINGHAM: P~pers to a:ccompany House bill grant­ Rebecca Broussard-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. mg a pensiOn to Mrs. Almedia J. Robinson-to the Committee on By Mr. CASSINGHAM: A bill (H. R. 14811) granting a pen­ Pensions. sion to Mrs. Almedia J. Robinson-to the Committee on Pensions. By Mr. DALZELL: Resolution of North American Gymnastic By 1\ofr. CUSHMAN: A bill (H. R. 14812) for the relief of Union of Pittsburg, Pa., in regard to House bill 12199-to the Matilda Elizabeth West-to the Committee on Claims. Committee on Immigration and Naturalization. By Mr. DAHLE: A bill (H. R. 14813) granting a pension to By Mr. DRAPER: Resolutions of Electrical Workers' Associa­ William Mennecke-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. tion No. 3, of New York, indorsing House bill 6279, to increase By Mr. GIBSON: A bill (H. R . 14814) granting a pension to the pay of letter carriers-to the Committee on the Post-Office Herman J. Miller-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. · and Post-Roads. By Mr. GILBERT: A bill (H. R. 14815) granting a pension to Also, resolution of Fully Disabled Veterans' Association Brook­ M. Weiser-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. lyn, N.Y., indorsing Senate bill 4850, with the exceptio~ of the By Mr. GROSVENOR: A bill (H. R . 14816) granting a pen­ amendment to section 2, as adopted by the House Committee on sion to U. L. Daniels-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Invalid Pensions-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Also, a bill(H. R.14817)forthereliefofEdward W.Sprague,Jas­ By Mr. EMERSON: Petitions of citizens of Chesterfield, Eliza­ per Sprague, and James B. Hovey-to the Committee on Claims. bethtown, Essex, and other towns in the State of New York for By Mr. KERN: A bill (H. R. 14818) granting an increase of the passage of House bill7674, providing for the purchase of Fort pen.sion to Christopher C. McCord-to the Committee on Invalid Ticonderoga, etc.-to the Committee on Military Affairs. Pensions. By Mr. GRAHAM: Resolutions of Branch 34, Boston Postal Also, a bill (H. R . 14819) granting an increase of pension to District National As.sociation of Letter Carriers, on the death of William H. Rupert-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. the late Hon. Amo.s J. Cummings-to the Committee on the Also, a bill (H. R . 14820) for the relief of Conrad Zaehringer­ Library. to the Committee on Military Affairs. Also, resolutions of the Ladies' East Side Anti-Trust Association By Mr. KETCHAM: A bill (H. R. 14821) granting an increase of the sixteenth assembly district of New York City, for there­ of pension to Ananias Cameron-to the Committee on Invalid peal of the tariff on meats-to the Committee on Ways and Means. Pensions. Also, resolutions of the Purcell Commercial Club, Purcell Ind. By Mr. LESTER: A bill (H. R. 14822) granting a pension to T., opposing the passage of the Flynn bill or the Moon bill-to the James H. Smith-to the Committee on Pensions. · Committee on the Territories. By Mr. LITTAUER: A bill (H. R. 14823) granting an increase By Mr. GROS~OR: Petitio~ of citizens of Syracuse, N.Y., of pension to William Hawley-to the Committee on Invalid and numerous citizens of Washington, Kansas and Michigan Pensions. favoring the passage of House bill 6565, lmown ~s the Grosveno; By Mr. MOSS: A bill (H. R.14824) granting a pension to Sarah pure-fiber bill-to the Committee on Ways and Means. T. Hendrick, widow of Pleasant F. Hendrick-to the·Committee By Mr. HOWELL: Resolutions of McKinley Club of Elizabeth, on Invalid Pensions. N. J., and Edward G. Brown Post, Grand Army of the Republic Also, a bill (H. R. 14825) to correct the military record of Con­ of Hoboken, N.J., indorsing Honse bill6279, to increase the pay rad Bailey-to the Committee on Military Affairs. of letter carriers-to the Committee on the Post-Office and Post- Also, a bill (H. R. 14826) to correct the military record of Roa.ds. . Thomas Fowler-to the Committee on Military Affairs. By Mr. HULL: Resolutions of United Mine Workers' Union By Mr. MUDD: A bill (H. R. 14827) granting a pension to Wil­ No. 1197, Des Moines, Iowa, favoring the passage of the Hoar­ liam B. Thompson-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Grosvenor anti-injunction bill-to the Committee on the Judi­ By Mr. REEDER: A bill (H. R. 14828) grantingan increase of ciary. pension to William H. Mize-to the Committee on Invalid Pen­ Also, resolution of North American Gymnastic Union of Des sions. Moines, Iowa, in relation to House bill12199-to the Committee By Mr. RICHARDSON of Alabama: A bill (H. R.l4829) for on Immigration and Naturalization. the relief of the heirs of John Walston-to the Committee on War . By Mr. ~RWIN: ~apers to accompany House bill 5039, grant­ Claims. . rug a pensiOn to Manum Barton-to the Committee on Pensions. By Mr. SMALL: A bill (H. R. 14830) for thereliefoftheestate By Mr. JACKSON of Ka.nsas: Resolution of the Bankers' Asso­ of Peter H. Knight-to the Committee on Interstate and Foreign ciation of Kansas, Indian Territory, and Oklahoma Territory in Commerce. opposition to the so-called branch banking bill-to the Committee ByMr. SULLOWAY: A bill (H. R. 14831) granting an in­ on Banking and Currency. crease of pension to Robert Clark-to the Committee on Invalid Also, resolutions of United Mine Workers' Union No. 735 Pensions. Pittsburg, Kans., and No. 647, of Mineral, Kans., favoring th~ Also, a bill (H. R. 14832) granting an increase of pension to An­ restriction of the immigration of cheap labor from the south and drew P. Gilman-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. east of Europe-to the Committee on Immigration and Natu- · By Mr. THAYER: A bill (H. R. 14833) to advance one grade ralization. · Chief Engineer David Smith, United States Navy, retired-to the By Mr. KERN: Petition of Thomas Knoebel, of East St. Louis Committee on Naval Affairs. TIL, in support of House bill123, for the adoption of the metri~ By nir. ROBINSON of Nebraska: A bill (H. R . 14834) grant­ system of weights and measures-to the Committee on Coinage ing an increase of pension to JamesP. Freeman-to the Commit­ Weights, and Measures. ' tee on Invalid Pensions. Also, resolutions of ZealoUB Lodge, No. 217, Locomotive Fire­ By Mr. BOWIE: A bill (H. R.14835) forthe relief of GeorgeO. men, of East St. Louis, ill., favoring the passage of the Hoar­ Baker-to the Committee on Claims. Grosvenor anti-injunction bill-to the Committee on the Judiciary. By Mr. RODEY: A bill (H. R. 14836) granting a pension to Also, petitions of pharmacists of St. Clair County, TIL, for Rebecca L. Chambers-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. amendments to House bill 7189, to increase the efficiency of the Also, a bill (H. R. 14837) granting a pension to John H. Rob­ Ma1ine-Hospital Service-to the Committee on Interstate and erts-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Foreign Commerce. Also, petition of Bricklayers and Masons' International Union . No. 2, of BellevillB, ill., in relation to the employment of tmion PETITIONS. ET?. . . bricklayers and masons in the e1:ection of the naval dry dock at Under clause 1 of Rule XXII, the followmg petit10ns and papers New Orleans, La.-to the Committee on Naval Affairs. were laid on the Clerk's desk and referr~ as follows: Also, petition of C. S. Thomas of East St. Louis ill. fav01inoo By Mr. ALLEN of Maine: Petition of American shipmasters, 1 Senate bill2172, for the payment of certain medic~l e~enses of 1902. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE. 6213

sick officers and enlisted men-to the Committee on Military SENATE. Affairs. Also, resolutions of St. Clair Lodge, No. 353, Machinists' Union, TUESDAY, June 3, 1902. of Belleville, Ill., favoring appropriation for naval deficiency-to The Senate met at 11 o'clock a. m. the Committee on Naval Affairs. Prayer by Rev. F. J. PRETTYMAN, of the city of Washington. Also, petition of Mexican war veterans, favoring pension for all The Journal of yesterday's proceedings was read and approved. survivors of the Mexican wru:-to the Committee ·on Pensions. Also, resolutions of Retail Merchants' Association of Belleville, RENTAL OF BUILDINGS. ij.l., favoring House bill 9352-to the Committee on Interstate The PRESIDENT pro tempore laid before the Senate a commu­ and Foreign Commerce. nication from the Secretary of State, transmitting. in response to Also, resolutions of the Chicago Federation of Labor, favoring a resolution of the 22d ultimo, certain information relative to appropriation for hydrographic survey and the amended immi­ quarters rented by the State Department, giving the location, gration bill-to the Committee on Appropriations. area of floor space occupied, and annual rental thereof; which, on Also, resolutions of Master Plumbers' Associations of East St. motion of Mr. GALLINGER, was referred to th~ Committee on Ap­ Louis, Ill., and Belleville, Til., favoring contracts for Government propriations, and ordered to be printed. buildings to be let directly to plumbers and not to a general con­ PETITIONS AND MEMORIALS. tractor-to the Committee on Public Buildings and Grounds. By Mr. LINDSAY: Resolutions of Electrical Workers' Brother­ Mr. FOSTER of Washington presented a petition of Puget hood No. 3, of New York City, indorsing House bill 6279, to in­ Sound Harbor, No. 16, American Association of Masters and crease the pay of letter carriers-to the Committee on the Post­ Pilots, of Seattle, Wash., praying for the enactment of legislation Office and Post-Roads. granting pensions to certain officers and enlisted men in the Life­ .By Mr. LITTAUER: Papers toaccompanyHouse bill granting Saving Service, etc.; which was referred to the Committee on an increase of pension to Willirun Hawley-to the Committee on Pensions. · · Invalid Pensions. He also presented a memorial of the Okanogan Protective Stock By Mr. LITTLEFIELD: Resolution of the Board of Trade of Association, of Conconully, Wash., remonstrating against the Bangor, Me., and ·Board of Trade of Thomaston, Me., urging the leasing of the public domain in that State; which was referred to , passage of House bil1163, to pension employees and dependents of the Committee on Public Lands. Life-Saving Service-to the Committee on Interstate and Foreign Mr. ELKINS presented a petition of the congregation of the Commerce. Fh·st Methodist Episcopal Church of Parkersburg, W.Va., pray­ By Mr. McCALL: Petition of citizens of Massachusetts pro­ ing for the adoption of an amendment to the Constitution to pro­ testing against the taking of the lands of the Sioux Indians-to hibit polygamy; which was Teferred to the Committee on the the Committee on Indian Affairs. Judiciary. Also, resolutions of the board of aldermen and common council lie also presented petitions of Bluestone Lodge, No. 446, Broth­ of Medford, and aldermen of the city of Somerville, :Mass., in­ erhood of Locomotive Firemen, of Bluefield; of Local Division dorsing House bill6279, to increase the pay of letter carriers-to No. 511, Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers, of Kenova; of the Committee on the Post-Office and Post-Roads. Local Division No. 408, Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers, of Also, resolutions of Provincetown Maritime Exchange, in favor Kanawha, and of Local Division No. 140, Order of Railway Con­ of a law to pension men of Life-Saving Service-to the Commit­ ductors, of New River, all in the State of West Virginia, praying­ tee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce. for the passage of the so-called Grosvenor anti-injunction bill; By Mr. NAPHEN: Resolutions of the common council of Med­ which were ordered to lie on the table. ford, Mass., indorsing House bill 6279, to increase the pay of He also presented petitions of Brotherhood of Locomotive Fire­ letter carriers-to the Committee on the Post-Office and Post­ men No. 544, of Point Pleasant; of United Mine Workers of Roads. America, UnionNo.1227,ofMontgomery; of United Mine Work~ Also, resolutions of the Provincetown Maritime Exchange, in ers of America, Union No. 1882, of Cedar Grove; of United Mine favor of a law to pension men of Life-Saving Service-to the Com­ Workers of America., Union No. 1729, of Central; of United Mine mittee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce. Workers of America, Union No. 1788, of Maybeury; of United By Mr. NEVILLE: Petition of Sylvester St. John, John Hoge, Mine Workers of America, Union No.1808, of Switchback; of and others of Kearney, Nebr., in favor of House bill7475, for ad­ United Mine Workers of America, Union No. 1888, of Caperton; ditional homesteads-to the Committee on the Public Lands. of United Mine Workers of America, Union No. 1905, of Mount By Mr. NORTON: Paper to accompany House bill granting a Hope; of United Mine Workers of America, Union No. 1907, of pension to Mrs. Mary Moss-to the Committee on Invalid Pen­ Coaldale; of United Mine Workers of America, Union No. 1910, sions. of Elverton, and of United Mine Workers of America, Union No. By Mr. PAYNE: Papers to accompany House bil18663} for the 1945, all in the State of West Virginia, praying for the enactment removal of the charge of desertion from the military record of of legislation providing an educational test for immigrants to Charles F. Woodford-to the Committee on Military Affairs. - this country; which were referred to the Committee on Immi­ By Mr. RAY of New York: Paper to accompany House bill gration. 4082, granting a pension to Jacob Hull-to the Committee on In­ REPORTS OF COMMITTEES. valid Pensions. Mr. HALE. I am directed by the CommitteE.' on Naval Affairs, Also, papers to accompany House bill l4162, granting a pension to whom was referred the bill (H. R. 14046) making appropria­ to Charity A. Seibell-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. tions for the naval service for the fiscal year ending June 30, 1903, By Mr. RICHARDSON of Alabama: Petition of John H. Mar­ and for other purposes, to report it with amendments, and to sub­ . tin and Henry B. Lindsay, heirs at law of John Walston, of mit a report thereon. I wish to give notice that I shall call the Florence, Ala., for reference of war claim to the Court of Claims­ bill up for consideration at as early a day as possible. to the Committee on War Claims. The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The bill will be placed on the By Mr. ROBINSON of Nebraska: Papers to accompany House Calendar. hill granting an increase of pension to James P. Freeman-to the l\1r. NELSON, from the Committee on Public Lands, to whom Committee on Invalid Pensions. the subject was referred, submitted a report accompanied by a By Mr. RYAN: RosolutionsofBrotherhoodofElectrical Work­ joint resolution (S. R. 110) empowering the State of J\.finnesota ers No.3, of New York, indorsing House bill 6279, to increase to file selections of indemnity school lands upon public lands in the pay of letter c&nie:!:s-to the Committee on the Post-Office Minnesota, otherwise undisposed of, after the survey thereof m and Post-Roads. the field, and prior to the approval and filing of the plat of survey By Mr. SMITH of Kentucky: PeLHion of Simon Kenton Lodge, thereof; which was read twice by its title. No. 345, Brotherhood of Rnilway Trainmen, of Covington, Ky., The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The joint resolution will be favq1ing the passage of the Hoar-Grosvenor anti-injunction bill­ placed on the Calendar. to the Committee on tho Judiciary. Mr. NELSON, from the Committee on Public Lands, to whom By Mr. SULZER: Resolutions of Brotherhood of Electrical was refened the joint resolution (S. R. 106) empowering the State Workers No.3, of Now York, indorsing House bill 6279, to in­ of Minnesota to file its selections for indemnity school lands upon crease the pay of lettc::: caniers-to the Committee on the Post­ public lands in Minnesota, otherwise tmdisposed of in townships, Office and Post-Roads. immediately upon the survey thereof in the field and prior to the By Mr. TIRRELL: Resolutions of Provincetown Maritime Ex­ approval and filing of the plat and s-q.rvey thereof, reported ad­ change, urging the passage of House bill163, to pension employees versely thereon; and the joint resolution was podtponed indefi­ and dependents of Life-Sav-ing Service-to the Committee on In­ nitely. terstate a.nd Foreign Commerce. Mr. FOSTER of Washington, from the Committee on Pensions, By Mr. THOMA.'3 of Iowa: Petition of Wallar Post, No. 223, to whom were referred the following bills, report--ed them each Grand Army of the Republic, Department of Iowa, favoring without amendment, and submitted reports thereon: Honse bil113986, to modify and simplify the pension laws-to the A ~ill (H. R. 5146) granting an increase of pension to Florian Committe-e on Jnvalid Pensions. V. Srms; and