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First Session- Thirty-Seventh Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba Standing Committee on Law Amendments Chairperson Mr. Doug Martindale Constituency of Burrows Vol. L No. 6 - 10 a.m., Wednesday, July 19, 2000 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Thirty-Seventh Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation AGLUGUB, Cris The Maples N.D.P. ALLAN,Nancy St. Vital N.D.P. ASHTON,Steve, Hon. Thompson N.D.P. ASPER, Linda Riel N.D.P. BARRETT,Becky, Hon. Inkster N.D.P. CALDWELL, Drew,Hon. Brandon East N.D.P. CERILLI, Marianne Radisson N.D.P. CHOMIAK,Dave, Hon. Kildonan N.D.P. CUMMINGS, Glen Ste. Rose P.C. DACQUAY, Louise Seine River P.C. DERKACH, Leonard Russell P.C. DEWAR, Gregory Selkirk N.D.P. DOER, Gary,Hon. Concordia N.D.P. DRIEDGER,Myrna Charleswood P.C. DYCK,Peter Pembina P.C. ENNS,Harry Lakeside P.C. FAURSCHOU,David Portage Ia Prairie P.C. FILMON, Gary Tuxedo P.C. FRIESEN,Jean, Hon. Wolseley N.D.P. GERRARD,Jon, Hon. River Heights Lib. GILLESHAMMER, Harold Minnedosa P.C. HELWER, Edward Gimli P.C. HICKES,George Point Douglas N.D.P. JENNISSEN,Gerard Flin Flon N.D.P. KORZENIOWSKI,Bonn ie St. James N.D.P. - LATEalN,Os�,HmL The Pas N.D.P. LAURENDEAU,Man;ei St. Norbert P.C. LEMIEUX, Ron,Hon. La Verendrye N.D.P. LOEWEN,John Fort Whyte P.C. MACKINTOSH, Gord, Hon. St. Johns N.D.P. MAGUIRE,Larry Arthur-Virden P.C. MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood N.D.P. MARTINDALE,Doug Burrows N.D.P. McGIFFORD, Diane,Hon. Lord Roberts N.D.P. MIHYCHUK, MaryAnn, Hon. Minto N.D.P. MITCHELSON,Bonnie River East P.C. NEVAKSHONOFF, Tom Interlake N.D.P. PENNER, Jack Emerson P.C. PENNER, Jim Steinbach P.C. PITURA, Frank Morris P.C. PRAZNIK,Darren Lac du Bonnet P.C. REID,Daryl Transcona N.D.P. REIMER, Jack Southdale P.C. ROBINSON,Eric, Hon. Rupertsland N.D.P. ROCAN,Denis Carman P.C. RONDEAU, Jim Assiniboia N.D.P. SALE, Tim, Hon. Fort Rouge N.D.P. SANTOS, Conrad Wellington N.D.P. SCHELLENBERG,Harry Rossmere N.D.P. SCHULER, Ron Springfield P.C. SELINGER, Greg,Hon. St. Boniface N.D.P. SMITH,Joy Fort Garry P.C. SMITH,Scott Brandon West N.D.P. STEFANSON,Eric Kirkfield Park P.C. STRUTHERS,Stan Dauphin-Roblin N.D.P. TWEED,Mervin Turtle Mountain P.C. WOWCHUK,Rosann, Hon. Swan River N.D.P. 107 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON LAW AMENDMENTS Wednesday, July 19, 2000 TIME - 10 a.m. Bill 32-The Victims' Rights Amendment Act LOCATION- Winnipeg, Manitoba Bill 33-The Highway Traffic Amendment CHAIRPERSON - Mr. Doug Martindale and Consequential Amendments Act (Burrows) ATTENDANCE - 11 - QUORUM- 6 Bill 39-The Insurance Amendment Act Members of the Committee present: Bill 40-The Business Names Registration Hon. Mr. Lemieux, Hon. Mr. Mackintosh Amendment, Corporations Amendment and Partnership Amendment Act Ms. Asper, Messrs. Jennissen, Loewen, Maloway, Martindale, Penner (Steinbach), *** Pitura, Praznik, Rondeau Mr. Chairperson: Will the Standing Committee WITNESSES: on Law Amendments please come to order. Bill 32-The Victims' Rights Amendment Act This morning the Committee will be considering the following bills: Bill 8, The Mr. Ken Mandzuik, Manitoba Enforcement of Judgments Conventions and Association for Rights and Liberties Consequential Amendments Act; Bill I 0, The Cooperatives Amendment Act; Bill 13, The Bill 33-The Highway Traffic Amendment Taxicab Amendment Act; Bill 22, The Court of and Consequential Amendments Act Queen's Bench Surrogate Practice Amendment Mr. Josh Weinstein, Manitoba Act; Bill 23, The Jury Amendment Act; Bill 24, Association for Rights and Liberties The Personal Property Security Amendment and Various Acts Amendment Act; Bill 25, The MATTERS UNDER DISCUSSION: Interpretation and Consequential Amendments Act; Bill 26, The Court of Queen's Bench Bill 8-The Enforcement of Judgments Amendment Act; Bill 27, The Correctional Conventions and Consequential Amend Services Amendment Act; Bill 28, The Northern ments Act Affairs Amendment and Planning Amendment Act; Bill 30, The Social Services Administration Bill I 0-The Cooperatives Amendment Act Amendment Act; Bill 32, The Victims' Rights Amendment Act; Bill 33, The Highway Traffic Bill 22-The Court of Queen's Bench Surro Amendment and Consequential Amendments gate Practice Amendment Act Act; Bill 34, The Statute Law Amendment Act, 2000; Bill 36, The Summary Convictions Bill 23-The Jury Amendment Act Amendment Act; Bill 39, The Insurance Amend ment Act; Bill 40, The Business Names Bill 24-The Personal Property Security Registration Amendment, Corporations Amend Amendment and Various Acts Amendment ment and Partnership Amendment Act, and that Act is all. 108 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA July 19, 2000 We do have presenters who have registered as an interpretative guide by some judges, we to speak to Bill 32, The Victims' Rights would like to see some reference to the rights of Amendment Act, and Bill 33, The Highway the accused made in the preamble. In my brief I Traffic Amendment and Consequential Amend have suggested one change, just recognizing that ments Act. the rights of complainants and victims should be recognized, but at the same time we should pay It is the custom to hear public presentations heed to the rights of the accused. before consideration of bills. Is it the will of the Committee to hear public presentations on Bill Another concern that MARL has is in 32 and Bill 33 first? [Agreed] In what order do respect of the reference to victims throughout the you wish to hear the presentations? Act and in the Definitions section is that because many of the events that are discussed in the Bill An Honourable Member: Numerical. happen pre-conviction and even pre-charge, the use of "victim" is somewhat loaded. It almost Mr. Chairperson: Numerically. implies that a crime has been committed and it has been committed by a guilty individual. We Bill32-The Victims' Rights Amendment Act suggest that the use of a more neutral term 'complainant' for all events happening pre Mr. Chairperson: I will read the names of the conviction is going to remove that perception. persons who have registered to make public presentations this morning: Bill 32, Ken Section 4 talks about the right to give Mandzuik, representing the Manitoba Associa opinion on alternative measures and release, and tion for Rights and Liberties. this is discussing law enforcement agencies consulting with complainants and victims of Mr. Mandzuik. would you like to take the crime on whether people should be released and podium. Do you have copies of your brief? whether they should be sent to pre-charge alternative measures. Mr. Ken Mandzuik (Muitoba Association for Rights and Liberties): Yes, I do. The problem that we have with this is that by asking the law enforcement agencies, the Mr. Chairperson: The page will distribute. police, to consult with a complainant in these Please proceed. situations is fettering their discretion. This is the discretion that the Criminal Code has given the Mr. Mandzuik: Thank you. Good morning, Mr. peace officers, and to have the victims and Minister, Mr. Chair, honourable members. I am complainants potentially affect that discretion is happy to be here on behalf of the Manitoba in effect a fettering of that discretion. Association for Rights and Liberties to comment on Bill 32, the proposed changes to The Victims' I have enclosed a portion of section 497 of Rights Act. the Criminal Code. There are similar sections which say that the police must release an I will start by saying that MARL supports accused unless certain conditions are met. One efforts to keep all involved in the justice system of those things to consider is that the peace informed of their rights and educated, to keep officer has reasonable grounds to believe that it them informed about cases that are going on that is necessary in the public interest to keep an affect them. At the same time, we want to make accused in custody. So by asking the peace sure that the rights of the accused are fully officers to consider the victim's wishes or the protected, and the cases of Messrs. Milgaard, complainant's wishes, it is going contrary to the Morin, Marshall and Sophonow remind us how Criminal Code. So not only is there a fettering, important it is to protect the rights of the there is a potential paramountcy concern. accused. The same applies for alternative measures. The first point that I would like to address is There are provisions in the Criminal Code that the preamble, and because the preamble is used already say peace officers should consider the July 19, 2000 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 109 interests of society and of the victim. So, again, from blood feuds, getting away from what this has already been addressed by federal Hobbes described as a "brutish, nasty and short" legislation and it is repetitive. I do not know that existence into a more civilized society, and by the alternative measures would be a para doing that we give it to the impartial king or the mountcy concern. It is not contradicting, but it is Crown. not necessary in any event. So MARL suggests that this section can just be removed. The Law Society of Manitoba in its code of conduct recognizes the Crown must remain Probably the largest concern that MARL has impartial. In chapter 9 governing the lawyer as with the bill concerns section 14, and that is the advocate, they have a commentary specifically right to be consulted about prosecution. I will relating to prosecutors, and that reads in part: repeat what I said earlier that MARL supports When engaged as a prosecutor, the lawyer's keeping complainants and victims fully informed prime duty is not to seek a conviction but to of their rights and keep them aware of what is present before the trial court all available happening as their cases progress through court, credible evidence relevant to the alleged crime in or cases that affect them progress through court.