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PROCEDURAL REPORT
YUKON LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY
SECOND SESSION 30TH LEGISLATURE
April 4, 2002 — May 30, 2002
Speaker: The Hon. Dennis Schneider 11 Li
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Preface Introduction 7 Procedural Issues 9 Acting Chair of Committee of the Whole, appointment of 9 Amendments. Speaker’s authority to amend 9 Bills 9 Amendments in Committee of the Whole 9 Amending a budget bill 10 Two bills dealing with the same subject 11 Bribery 11 Business, order of 12 Charge against another member 14 Confidence in the government, matters of 15 Debate, adjournment of 15 Deferred Count 16 Division 16 Required 16 Upon the motion to resolve into Committee of the Whole 17 Documents, tabling of 17 Facts, presentation of 18 First Nations language, use of in the Assembly 19 Moment of silence 19 Motions, removal from the Order Paper 19 Order and Decorum 20 Members Rising in Their Place 20 Addressing Members through the Chair 21 Addressing Ministers by portfolio 22 Interrupting a member who has the floor 23 Members of the public, references to 23 Personal privilege, point of 25 Petitions 25 Received 25 Response by Minister 26 Presiding Officers 26 Absence of 26 Casting Vote 27 Election of (Deputy Chair of Committee of the Whole) 28 Neutrality of 28 Participation in debate 29 Private member’s bill, proceeding to Committee of the Whole 30 Private members’ business 30
3 Procedure, rules of .31 U Question of Privilege 32 Question Period 34 Extraneous Comments (‘add-ons’) 34 U Hypothetical Questions 35 Rotation 36 [ Seeking an opinion from a minister 37 Supplementary questions, relevance to the main question 37 Time limit for questions and answers, notification of 39 J Quorum Count 40 Relevance in debate 40 Sitting, adjournment of 42 Suffingdays, number of 43 Speaking order 44 Sub judice convention 45 Unanimous consent 46 To allow a member to adjourn debate a second time 46 To deem all clauses and the title of a bill read and agreed to 46 To deem all lines in a vote cleared or carried as required 47 To defer debate on a motion 48 To request a recess 48 To waive notice 49 Unparliamentary language 49 Imputing false or anavowed motives 50 Charging a Member with uttering a deliberate falsehood 53 Abusive or insulting language 54 Raising a point of order regarding unparliamentary language 58 Statistical Summan’ 61 Time devoted to individual bills 62 Time devoted to individual motions 65 References 67 Index 69
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4 C Preface
This report documents procedural events of note that occurred during the 2002 Spring Sitting of 30th the Second Session of the Yukon Legislative Assembly. It is meant to augment the Standing Orders of the YukonLegislative Assembly and other procedural authorities by detailing how rules of procedure and established parliamentary practice were applied to specific incidents that arose during the 2002 Spring Sitting. It is hoped that this report will help readers gain a deeper understanding of parliamentary procedure and practice in the Yukon Legislative Assembly. The idea for the Procedural Report is derived from the Rouse of Commons Procedural Digest. The Procedural Digest is issued weekly and deals with events in chronological order. However this Procedural Report takes a different approach. The report covers the entire Sitting and deals with procedural events thematically. as certain kinds of events (seeking unanimous consent to expedite business, incidents of unparliamentary language, for example) tend to recur over the course of a sitting. By approaching events thematically the report illustrates which kinds of incidents dominated proceedings and also the broader context of the issues involved in rulings and statements made by the Presiding Officers. Context is also providing by frequent reference to the Standing Orders and procedural authorities, particularly. House of Commons Procedure and Practice and Beauchesne ‘sRules & Forms of the House of Commons of Canada. In using the report readers will note the distinction between the table of contents and the index. Both are arranged in alphabetical order. However, whereas the table of contents focuses on procedural events, the index refers to Members of the Legislative Assembly, bills, motions, standing orders, etc. that appear in numerous entries in the report.
Floyd W. McCormick, Ph.D. Deputy Clerk Yukon Legislative Assembly
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Acting Chair of Committee of the Whole, appointment of Standing Order 5(3) says, “If the Chair and Deputy Chair are absent, the Speaker shall, before leaving the Chair upon the Assembly resolving into Committee of the Whole, appoint a member to be acting Chair.” On April 18, 2002, after the House had agreed to resolve into Committee of the Whole it was noticed that neither the Chair of Committee of the Whole, Mike McLarnon, nor the Deputy Chair, Don Roberts. was in the Chamber. The Speaker, Hon. Dennis Schneider, therefore appointed Gary McRobb (Kluane, NDP) to take the Chair. Mr. McRobb called the committee to order and asked if members wanted to recess briefly, as is the standard practice. The committee did recess and when it reconvened Mr. McLamon assumed the Chair.
Amendments, Speaker’s authority to amend On April 24, 2002 during debate on Motion No. 228 the Premier, Hon. Pat Duncan (Porter Creek North, Liberal) moved an amendment to the motion. After the amendment had been moved the Speaker, Hon. Dennis Schneider, reviewed it and found the first clause to “fall outside the subject matter of the original motion.” The Speaker then informed the Assembly that “It is the Chair’s prerogative to alter proposed amendments when such changes are easily made and will bring the resulting amendment into order.” (Hansard, 3362) Support for this prerogative can be found in Beauchesne ‘sParliamentary Rules & Forms, which informs us that
• “It is an imperative nile that even’ amendment must be relevant to the question on which the amendment is proposed.”2 • “When a Member hands a motion to the Speaker...the Speaker may...make such corrections as are necessary or advisable in order that it conform with the usages of the House.”3And • “The Speaker has unquestioned authority to modi’ motions with respect to form.”4
The Speaker then removed clause 1 from the amendment and allowed the Premier to proceed with it in its amended form. (Hansard, 362)
Bills Amendments in Committee of the Whole On April 15, 2002 during Committee of the \Thole discussion of Bill No. 10, Third Approprfatf on Act, 2001-02, (general debate), Don Roberts (Porter Creek North, Independent) tried to propose an amendment to the line item ‘bad debts expense’ in Vote 12, Department of
‘Alt referencesto the StandingOrdersrefertothoseineffectduring the 2002 Spring Sitting. 2 Alistair Fraser, W.F. Dawson andJohn A. Holtby, Beauchesne s Rules & Forms of the House of Commons of (6th Canada with Annotations. Comments andPrecedents edition), (Toronto: Carswell, 1989) §568, page 175. Ekauchesne’s §5660), page 174. Beauchesne ‘s §566(4), page 175.
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During the 2002 Spring Sitting the government introduced five bills — Bill No. 57, Government Organisation Act; Bill No. 58, Act to Amend the Economic Development Act; Bill No. 59. Government Accountability Act; Bill No. 60, Act to Amend the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act; and Bill No. 71, Corporate Governance Act -- related to its reorganization of the civil service, also called ‘Renewal.’ The government also announced that should the bills not pass, the government would consider itself to have lost the confidence of the Assembly. As Marleau and Montpetit advise
the confidence convention...(is a) complex constitutional subject, a matter of tradition that is not written into any statute or Standing Order of the House...Simply stated, the convention provides that if the government is defeated in the House on a confidence question. then the government is expected to resign or seek the dissolution of Parliament in order for a general election to be held...What constitutes a question of confidence in the government varies with the circumstances. Confidence is not a matter of parliamentary procedure. nor is it something on which the Speaker can be asked to rule.’°
During Second Reading of Bill No. 60 Mike McLamon (Whitehorse Centre, Independent) rose on a point of order and asked for clarification:
We were told at the House leaders’meeting this morning that these were confidence bills, and that’s why we were here. I’m wondering if there is a formal process the government has to go through to ensure that the public knows that they’re confidence bills. I certainly didn’t hear this from the Premier in her opening addresses. I’m wondering if this needs to be publicly stated so that all Yukoners understand — not just the people who were in the House leaders’meeting and the people that are affected — that all Yukoners understand what’s at stake in these bills? (Hansard, 3373)
The Speaker, Hon. Dennis Schneider. had already stated, in ruling on a previous point of order on the same day that “the House must recognize that a government has the right in our parliamentary system to identi& an item of business before the House as being a matter of confidence.” (Hansard, 3371) He therefore ruled, “ There is no point of order. The issue of confidence is not a procedural matter.”1 (Hansard, 3373)
Debate, adjournment of May 29, 2002 was a designated for private members’ business. On May 28, 2002, pursuant to Standing Order 14.2(3), the Leader of the Third Pam’. Peter Jenkins (Kiondike. Yukon Party) designated Bill No. 103, Electoral District Boundaries Act, as one item of business to be dealt with that day. When Bill No. 103 was called for debate on May 29 Mr. Jenkins spoke to it for
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Upon the motion to resolve into Committee of the Whole Standing Order 41 says, “A motion for the Assembly to resolve into Committee of the Whole shall be put immediately without debate or amendment.” While the motion is neither debatable nor amendable it is votable. However the normal procedure is for the motion to be carried on a voice vote. During the 2002 Spring Sitting division was twice called on the motion to resolve into committee. The first time division was called, on May 23, 2002 the motion was agreed to on a division of 11-5. The Government and Official Opposition caucuses supported the motion while the Third Party caucus and the three independent members voted against it. Division was called a second time on May 28, 2002. At that time the Official Opposition, the Yukon Party caucus and the independent members voted against the motion and it was defeated 9-7 on division. This was the first time in the history of the Yukon Legislative Assembly that the motion to resolve into committee had been defeated. The consequences of that vote are described above under ‘Business, order of.’
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the most important privilege belonging to members of this Assembly — freedom of speech — results in members being entitled to make statements in this House without having to provide proof. As a consequence, there may well be two or more entirely different versions of events presented to the House. When that happens, the House and the Chair must accept the varying versions of events as being members’ differing conceptions as to what actually happened. It is never the duty of the Chair to determine what is factually correct and, therefore, a dispute about facts is not a basis for a point of order. (Hansard, 3007)
First Nations language, use of in the Assembly The working language of the Yukon Legislative Assembly is English. Simultaneous translation in other languages is not provided. Members are free, however, to speak in other languages if they so choose. On April 10, 2002 Lorraine Peter (Vuntut Gwitchin, NDP) spoke in Gitchin during her tribute to Joe Henry (Joseph Henry Shada) who died in March 2002 at the age of 103. Mrs. Peter’s use of Gwitchin is noted in Hansard as: /Member spoke in native language. Translation unavailable.] (Hansard, 3073)
Moment of silence Tributes are the first item of business in the Daily Routine, as outlined in Standing Order 11(2). Occasionally tributes given in the Assembly require a moment of silence. The placement of the moment of silence can be problematic, however, if more than one member wishes to participate in the tribute. On April 29, 2002 the Minister responsible for the Workers’ Compensation Health and Safety Board, Hon. Sue Edelman (Riverdale South, Liberal), rose in recognition of Workers’ Day of Mourning for those workers killed or injured on the job. She concluded her tribute by asking the Speaker, Hon. Dennis Schneider. to “allow members gathered here to rise when all members have finished their tributes to work and remember the workers and their families hi a moment of silence.” (Hansard, 3393) Following tributes by Dave Keenan (Ross River-Southern Lakes, NDP), Peter Jenkins (Klondike, Yukon Party) and Don Roberts (Porter Creek North, Independent) the Assembly observed a moment of silence.
Motions, removal from the Order Paper According to Beauchesne ‘sParliamensaiy Rules & Forms, “It is the Speaker’s duty to call the attention of the mover and of the House to the irregularity of a motion; whereupon the motion is usually withdrawn or so modified as to be no longer objectionable. If the motion is of such a nature that objection cannot be removed, the Speaker may refuse to put the motion to the House.”3
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Motions may become irregular for a variety of reasons. On April 4, 2002 immediately before the Daily Routine the Speaker, Hon. Dennis Schneider, informed the Assembly that certain motions would be withdrawn from the Order Paper. Twenty-one motions were withdrawn because two members had been appointed to cabinet. As they were now members of the government (cabinet) motions standing in their names as ‘Motions other than Government Motions’ were now irregular. The removal of a member from cabinet meant motions standing in his name as ‘Government Motions’ were now irregular. One motion became irregular due to the passage of a bill that dealt with the same subject matter. (Hansard, 2987) On April 16, 2002 the Speaker ordered another motion withdrawn from the order paper. This motion had become irregular (outdated) as it referred to an event that was now past. (Hansard, 3173). As mentioned above under ‘Business, order of the Speaker ruled Motion No. 141 out of order on May 28, [1 2002. Order and Decorum [ Standing Order 17(1) says, “Every member desiring to speak shall rise in his or her place and address the Speaker.” This standing order contains three components vital to the maintenance of order and decorum in the Assembly. The first component is that a member wishing to speak must rise to be recognized by the Presiding Officer. The second component is that, when the Speaker is in the Chair, the member must rise in his or her assigned place. The third component is that the member must address his or her remarks through the Speaker and not directly across the floor to another member. The practice of addressing remarks through the Speaker — like the practice of addressing members by their constituency or ministerial portfolio - is meant to help maintain order and decorum by de-personalizing debate. In operation this leads to an admonition against [ the use of the second person (e.g., ‘you’ and ‘your’) in debate. Presiding Officers will generally overlook the use of the second person where it is used generally and not directed at a particular member, particularly in an accusatory manner.
Members Rising in Their Place Proceedings in Committee of the Whole are less formal than when the Speaker is presiding. However the Chair of Committee of the Whole must still insist on some adherence to rules of order and decorum. On April 23, 2002 during committee debate on Bill No. 9 the Chair, Mike McLamon, found it necessary to call for order, adding
The Chair can only recognize members when they’re standing in their place, waiting to be recognized. When a member sits down or a member stands up, the Chair has confusion as to figuring out who is asking the question and who isn’t. In the future,if members wish to be recognized if they have a question, please remain standing; or, when they sit down, understand that other people standing up can relinquish the speaking order and take their spot. (Hansard, 3312)
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Addressing Members through the Chair One example of the use of Standing Order 170) occurred during Question Period on April 9, 2002. In responding to a question from Wayne Jim (Mclntyre-Takhini, Independent) the Minister of Education, Hon. Cynthia Tucker (Mount Lome, Liberal) said, “the most important people here are the children. And you and other members here seem to forget that from time to time.” The Speaker, Hon. Dennis Schneider, called for order and “remind(ed) the minister to address her comments through the Chair and not personalize comments such as “you”.” (Hansard, 3042) The Speaker again invoked Standing Order 170) on April 11, 2002 during second reading of Bill No. 9, Second Appropriation Act, 2002-03. Wayne Jim (Mclntyre-Talthini, Independent) was addressing the bill. In the course of debate he used the following phrases:
For the record, I ask the Premier, how many of these annual intergovernmental meetings has your government held since being elected to office?...(I experienced) what it was like to be the only First Nation MLA within your caucus and Cabinet...It doesn’t surprise me one bit that you would cut funding toward First Nations relations...there are children out there who are suffering now. Unlike yourselves...(Hansard, 3116)
At that point the Speaker, Hon. Dennis Schneider, intervened saying
The Chair has been rather patient today; however, I would like to remind the member to please address his comments through the Chair, and fly not to personalize them by the use of “you” or “yourselves” or similar words like that. (Hansard, 3116)
Mr. Jim vowed to adhere to the Speaker’s ruling. Despite his pledge Mr. Jim again violated Standing Order 170) during Question Period on April 16, 2002. In addressing the Premier regarding a First Nations child sent Outside the Yukon Mr. Jim said, “Last Tuesday, a phone call took place between you and the Chief of Kwanlin Dun First Nation in regard to...” At that point Speaker Schneider intervened and reminded Mr. Jim to “address (his) comments through the Chair, not personally across the floor.” Mr. Jim continued with his main question but was soon again interrupted by the Speaker after saying, “the child was flown out to Saskatchewan minutes after speaking to you on the
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Essentially this practice is designed to ensure the member’s parliamentary privilege of freedom of speech is used judiciously and not to the disadvantage of persons who do not enjoy a similar privilege. It does not prevent a member from bringing up an issue of public importance. It only prevents the member from naming individuals involved in the issue.
Personal privilege, point of A point of personal privilege is an opportunity for a Member “to explain a matter of a personal nature although there is no question before the House.”9 According to House of Commons Procedure and Practice a point of personal privilege
...is an indulgence granted by the Chair. There is no connection to a question of privilege, and as Speaker Fraser once noted, “There is no legal authority, procedural or otherwise, historic or precedential, that allows this.” Consequently, such occasions are not meant to be used for general debate and Members have been cautioned to confine their remarks to the point they wish to make. The Speaker has also stated that, as these are generally personal statements and not questions of privilege, no other Members will be recognized to speak on the matter.2°
Prior to the Assembly meeting on April 15, 2002 Hon. Sue Edelman (Riverdale South, Liberal) informed the Speaker, Hon. Dennis Schneider that she wished to raise a point of personal privilege that day. The Speaker granted Hon. Mrs. Edelman leave to raise her point of personal privilege during the Daily Routine after Tributes and before Tabling Returns and Documents. At that time Hon. Mrs. Edelman rose to apologize for comments she had made in an email which subsequently became public knowledge. Hon. Mrs. Edelman also informed the Assembly of her resignation as Minister responsible for the Status of Women. (Hansard, 3141)
Petitions Received Standing Order 660) says
On the sitting day following the presentation of a petition, the Clerk shall present a report upon the petition...and every petition so reported upon...which, according to the Standing Orders or practice of the Assembly, can be received, shall then be deemed to be read and received.
‘ House of Commons Procedure and Practice, page524. ‘ House of Commons Procedure and Practice, page136. 20 House of Commons Procedure and Practice, page137.
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Castin2 Vote Standing Order 4(2) says, “In the event of a tie vote, the Speaker shall cast the deciding vote and any reasons stated shall be entered in the Votes and Proceedings.” Beauchesne s advises “The Speaker votes in such a manner as to leave the House another opportunity of deciding the question.”22This advice is difficult to adhere to when a tie vote arises at Third Reading since this is, by definition, the final opportunity for the House to consider the question. On May 30, 2002 the Speaker, Hon. Dennis Schneider, was called upon four times to cast a vote at Third Reading. The bills upon which the Speaker cast a vote were; Bill No. 60, Act to Amend the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act; Bill No. 58, Act to Amend the Economic Development Act; Bill No. 57, Government Organisation Act; and Bill No. 71, Corporate Governance Act In all cases the Speaker voted for the motion and all four bills passed the House. In all cases the Speaker gave the following reasons for his vote:
In general, the principle applied to motions and bills is that decisions should not be taken except by a majority. In this case, however, the Chair is aware that the passage of this bill is a test of the confidence of the Assembly in the government. It is my view that questions of confidence are of such importance that an expression of non-confidence should be clearly stated by a majority. The Chair, therefore, votes for the motion. (Hansard, 3897, 3898, 3899,)
Sir Erskine May advises that “When the voices are equal in a Committee of the Whole House, the Chairman, who does not otherwise vote, gives a casting vote, and in doing so is guided by the same principles as the Speaker of the House.”23Circumstances required that the Deputy Chair of Committee of the Whole, Don Roberts, cast a vote on May 29, 2002 during committee debate on a proposed amendment to the line item ‘Ministers’ in Vote 2, Executive Council Office, of Bill No. 9, Second Appropriation Act, 2002-03. In doing so the Deputy Chair made the following statement:
I didn’t realize that being Deputy Chair was going to be a difficult task, but I gather it is a very difficult task at times. I guess, when you’re placed in a position of leadership,
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Private members’ business As a nile private memhers’ business i given priority on Wednesdays, after the Daily Routine. Standing Order 14 sets out the process for determining whether the priority, on a given Wednesday, will be allotted to the business of government private members or those in the opposition. Standing Order 14(1) says opposition private members’ business is given priority “on the first Wednesday of a Session that private members’ business is to be considered, and every second Wednesday thereafter.” Standing Order 14(2)allots priority on “the second Wednesday of a Session that private members’ business is to be considered, and every second Wednesday thereafter”to government private members’ business. [ Shortly before the 2002 Spring Sitting began three government private members left the government caucus to sit in opposition as independent members. As a result the only private member left on the government side was the Speaker who does not, as a nile, participate in debate. For the purposes of Standing Order 14(2) therefore the government had no private members. In dealing with this situation two practices were followed. The first had to do with the designation of government private members’ business. Standing Order 14.2(7) says
When Government private members’ business has precedence, the Government House Leader or designate. no later than the time at which the Assembly proceeds to Orders of the Day on the sitting day preceding the call of Government private members’ business, may, [ on behalf of the Government private members, identi& the order in which the items standing on the Order Paper or on the Notice Paper in the name of Government private members shall be called.
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Procedure, rules of As noted in Beauchesne ‘s Parlianentazy Rules & Forms. “The most fimdament& privilege of the House as a whole is to establish rules of procedure for itself and enforce them.”29The Chair of Committee of the Whole, Mike McLamon, brought this point to members’ attention on April 23, 2002 during committee debate on Bill No. 9, Second Appropriation Act, 2002-03. At that time Hon. Pam Buckway (Lake Laberge, Liberal). the Minister responsible for the Yukon Housing Corporation. in response to questioning from Dave Keenan (Ross River-Southern Lakes, NDP) said:
I feel that the conduct of the member opposite constitutes personal harassment, which means objectionable conduct, comments or displays that demean, belittle or cause humiliation or embarrassment. This form of harassment is forbidden under the Human Rights Act, and the Yukon Human Rights Act. I would ask that the member opposite take note of his conduct and consider others before he speaks or acts. (Hansard. 3312)
Hon. Ms. Buckway did not raise the issue as a point of order. Still, Ivfr. McLamon informed members that “The Yukon Human Rights Act has jurisdiction outside of the Legislative
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I am not sure if this is in the House rules, but out of respect for First Nations who have asked all legislators to not mention the word Taga Ku out of respect. There was even a ceremony held by the Champaign-Aishihilc First Nation a few years ago to ensure everybody was aware of that. Yet, the government House leader continues to refer to that
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This, he argued, was “an attempt to intimidate members of my constituency and silence me” (Hansard, 3241) and constituted a contempt of the Assembly. As a remedy he asked, “that this House take action by asking the Minister of Health and Social Services to take a cultural sensitivity course and offer an apology to the House for her poor and inappropriate choice of tactics.” (Hansard, 3241) Speaker Schneider delivered his ruling on April 23, 2002. He concluded
after due consideration, that the minister’s words and actions do not constitute a prima facie breach of privilege or a contempt of the Assembly. U The Member for Mclntyre-Takhini is correct to be concerned about safeguarding his rights, and those of other members of the Assembly. However, the Chair is not convinced that the words and actions of the Minister of Health and Social Services have, directly or indirectly, had the effect of obstructing or impeding the member in the discharge of his duties. The Chair notes, for example, that though it may be felt by the Member for Mclntyre-Takhini that the minister questioned his right to ask the questions he did, the minister had already answered a main question and a supplementary question on the issue. The minister then answered the member’s second supplementary question. Also, the minister had answered questions on a similar issue the previous day. Further, on April 18, the minister tabled a legislative return that expanded upon the answers she had already provided. The Chair must conclude, therefore, that the member has been able to fully exercise freedom of speech while participating in the proceedings of this Assembly. (Hansard, 3303)
At the same time the Speaker said statements that suggest a member is representing someone other than his or her constituents are not in order as they are an imputation of false or unavowed motive, in contravention of Standing Order 19(g). The Speaker suggested that, in future, members who are concemed about such statements raise them as a point of order when they are made.
Question Period Extraneous Comments (‘add-ons’) Guideline 2 of the Assembly’s Guidelines for Oral Question Period says a question ought to seek information and shouM not be argumentative. Guideline 9 says a reply to a question should be relevant to the question asked and should not provoke debate. During Question Period on Thursday May 9, 2002, the Minister of Business, Tourism and Culture, Hon. Dale Eftoda (Riverdale North, Liberal) responded to a question from Gary McRobb (}Uuane,NDP). Hon. Mr. Efioda concluded his answer to the main question with what the minister called “an add-on. This add-on was, in fact, a comment on the previous exchange of questions and answers between
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Rotation Standing Order 17(2) says, in part, “When two or more members rise to speak, the Speaker shall call upon the member who, in the Speaker’s opinion, first rose.” This standing order establishes that there is not, by rule, a speaking order. The recognition of members is at the discretion of the Speaker. Nonetheless, with regard to Question Period, there is an established practice of following a rotation agreed to by the parties in the Assembly. The Question Period rotation became the subject of discussion at two points in the 2002 Spring Sitting..Before the sitting began three government private members left the government caucus to sit in opposition as independent members. After negotiation among representatives of the parties in opposition and the independent members the independent members were, collectively, given one position in the Question Period rotation, that being position number five. On May 7 a member of the Official Opposition left that caucus to join the Third Party. After again consulting with opposition representatives the Speaker devised a new Question Period rotation based on the following principles:
1. That the number of questions allotted to each party in opposition to the government over the course of a Sitting shall, as much as possible, reflect the number of seats each party has in the U Assembly; 2. That priority shall be given to the Official Opposition by giving it priority of place in the Question Period Rotation, including the first two questions; and 3. That one position in the Question Period rotation shall be set aside each day for independent members.
The first principle was met by devising two rotations. The first rotation allotted four questions to the Official Opposition, one to the Third Party and one to independent members. The other rotation allotted three questions to the Official Opposition, two to the Third Party and one to the independent members. A schedule for the use of each rotation was established based on the U assumption that six main questions are asked during a given question period. The underlying assumption was that if the rotations were used according to the schedule the appropriate balance between Official Opposition and Third Party questions would be achieved. The second principle was met by allocating the first, second and fourth main questions to the Official Opposition on all days, and main question six on those days when it was allocated four main questions. The Third Party was guaranteed the third main question on all days, and the sixth question on those days when it was allocated two main questions. As mentioned, the independent members received main question five on all days. This last stipulation also satisfied the third principle established for the allocation of questions in Question Period. [
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The Speaker having ruled, the final sifting day could then only be changed by Order of the Assembly. This became an issue when the Minister of Business, Tourism and Culture, Hon. Dale Efloda (Riverdale North, Liberal) indicated, due to the government’s minority position in the Assembly, he would not attend the Rendezvous Canada event in Halifax, Nova Scotia, from May 17 to 22, 2002. The Leader of the Third Party, Peter Jenkins (Kiondike, Yukon Party) indicated that this was an important tourism event for the Yukon and offered to pair with Hon. [] Mr. Efloda to ensure the voting balance between government and opposition members remained the same. (Hansard, 3332-3) The government did not accept that offer. Instead, on April 30, 2002, the Assembly passed Government Motion No. 249. The motion stipulated that the Assembly would “stand adjourned from its rising on Thursday, May 16, 2002 until 1:00 p.m. on Thursday, May 23, 2002.” This adjournment would allow the Hon. Mr. Efloda to attend Rendezvous Canada without jeopardizing the government’s standing in the Assembly as the Assembly would not sit on those days when Hon. Mr. Efloda would be absent. The Assembly would, in effect, miss two sitting [ days, Tuesday, May 21 and Wednesday, May 22 (Monday, May 20 being a statutory holiday). To satis& the Speaker’s ruling — that the 2002 Spring Sitting last 30 sitting days - the final day of the sifting would now be May 30, 2002.
Speaking order Beauchesne Parliamentary Rules and Forms advises that in the Assembly “Officially there is no list of Members desiring to speak in debate. Any member who wishes to speak may rise and endeavour to catch the Speaker’s eye.”39But while “the Speaker is the final authority on the order of speaking”4°the Chair does endeavour to follow the wishes of members should there be [ some informal agreement as to who should take the floor at any given time. Still there are times when the Speaker must exercise his authority in this matter. On May 8, 2002 during second reading of Bill No. 101, Child, Youthand Family AdvocacyAct, Hon. Jim McLaclilan (Faro, Liberal) rose on a point of order after Hon. Scott Kent (Riverside, Liberal) had concluded his remarks. The basis of Mr. McLacfflan’s point of order was to offer “the official opposition House leader his opportunity to speak...before I rose to speak.” (Hansard, 3586). Dave Keenan (Ross River-Southern Lakes, NDP) questioned where such an offer was reflected in the Standing Orders. Rather than address the point of order the Speaker said he would U recognize Mr. McLacfflan. Mother instance that requires the exerdise of the Chair’s authority is where two members rise simultaneously. Standing Order 17(2) says, in part, “When two or more members rise to speak, the Speaker shall call upon the member who, in the Speaker’s opinion, first rose...” On April 29, 2002 during second reading of Bill No. 61, Electoral District Boundaries Act, 2002, an occasion arose where the Speaker had to invoke ills standing order. Following the remarks by the Leader of the Third Party, Peter Jenkins (Klondike, Yukon Party), more than one member rose. The Speaker said, “Speaker order in the House generally is the government, the official opposition, the third party. I’m going to go to the government now and ask the Member for Faro
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• May 27, 2002: Requested by Dennis Fentie (Watson Lake, Yukon Party) regarding vote 3 (Education) of Bill No. 9.
• May 30, 2002: Requested by Dave Keenan (Ross River-Southern Lakes, NDP) regarding vote 54 (Business, Tourism and Culture) of Bill No. 9. [
To defer debate on a motion 11 Wednesday, May 29, 2002 was scheduled as opposition private members’ day. On Tuesday, May 28, 2002, pursuant to Standing Order 14.2(3) Peter Jenkins (lUondike, Yukon Party) gave notice of the items that the Third Party intended to call for debate the following day. One of the items identified was Motion No. 273, standing in the name of Dennis Fentie (Watson Lake, Yukon Party). When Motion No. 273 was called for Mr. Fentie requested that the House not proceed with it. Because the motion had been previously identified as an item to be considered at that [ time unanimous consent was required to defer debate and proceed with other business. Unanimous consent was granted. (Hansard, 3843) C
To request a recess On May 28, 2002 during Orders of the Day the government designated seven bills as the business of the Assembly for that day.44The bills having been voted on the Government House Leader, Hon. Jim McLachlan (Faro, Liberal) requested “a 15-minute recess at this time until 3:45 p.m. in order that the House leaders may assemble in five minutes in the Legislative Assembly [ committee room.” The Speaker, Hon. Dennis Schneider, said, “Given the circumstances in the House today I am inclined to agree with the request from the government House leader. However, before making that decision the Chair would like to hear from the House leaders that they agree.”45The Official Opposition House Leader, Gary McRobb (Kluane, NDP), the Leader of the Third Party, Peter Jenkins (Klondike, Yuk’on Party) and Mike McLamon (Whitehorse Centre, Independent) all indicated their agreement with Mr. McLachlan’s proposal. Having obtained indications of agreement the Speaker so ordered the recess. (Hansard, 3827) Later that day the Government House Leader made another request for recess. Once again the Speaker sought the consent of other members and, having received it, called for a recess. (Hansard, 3835)
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We just want to ensure that we are not imputing falsehood or unavowed motives. Just to ensure that we return to a tone of debate that is constructive, I would ask members to just make sure that they understand that talking down is considered by one person to have happened and by the other person not, so it could be considered a false or unavowed motive. (Mansard, 3436)
On May 6, 2002 during Committee of the Whole debate on Bill No. 9 Gary McRobb (Kluane. NDP) in discussing the Yukon Protected Areas Strategy said he smelled a “set-up” regarding the manner in which the government was dealing with YPAS. He added that anything the Environment Minister, Hon. Dale Efloda (Riverdale North, Liberal). said to dissuade him of that conclusion “really won’t matter” once an election campaign begins. At that point Mr. Eftoda rose on a point of order citing Standing Order 19(g). The Chair of Committee of the Whole, Mike McLamon, rifled there was a point of order, drawing specific attention to Mr. McRobb’s phrase “I smell a set-up.” Mr. McRobb agreed that the committee should avoid such imputations adding he wished to “get the minister on record” adding, “I’m not sure what good it would do.” Mr. Eftoda again raised a point of order saying Mr. McRobb was suggesting he would in future “impute false or unavowed motives.” Mr. MeLarnon did not so rifle saying he saw, “a fine act of walking the line.” (Hansard, 3528) On May 7, 2002 during Committee of the Whole consideration of Bill No. 9 Environment), members debated the situation of an outfitter whose concession was to be taken away by the government due to a series of violations of applicable laws. During debate the Leader of the Third Party, Peter Jenkins (Kiondike. Yukon Party) questioned the severity of the penalty and asked the Environment Minister, Hon. Dale Eftoda (Riverdale North, Liberal), “why...does this minister want to take it upon himselL.to destroy another Yukoner’s livelihood and destroy him fmancially?” At that point the Chair of Committee of the Whole, Mike McLarnon. intervened and rifled out of order reference to “The minister...having destroyed an individual or having brought an individual down personally...” (Mansard, 3551)
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Charaing a Member with uttering a deliberate falsehood Standing Order 19(h) says, “A member shall be called to order by the Speaker if that member charges another member with uttering a deliberate falsehood.” It is fundamental to orderly debate that members must be taken at their word. As Beauchesne ‘sParliamentary Rules & Forms puts it
It has been formally ruled by Speakers that statements by Members respecting themselves and particularly within their own knowledge must be accepted. It is not unparliamentary to temperately criticize statements made by Members as being contrary to the facts; but no imputation of intentional falsehood is permissible. On rare occasions ills may result in the house having to accept two contradictory accounts of the same incident.5’
On April 10, 2002 during debate on a proposed amendment to .Motion No. 189 Hon. Jim McLacfflan (Faro, Liberal) made reference to remarks made by the Leader of the Third Party, Peter Jenkins (Klondike, Yukon Party). In doing so Hon. Mr. McLachlan said Mr. Jenkins “has said the Liberals have turned into silence in Ottawa. That is not true.” (Hansard, 3104) The Speaker, Hon. Dennis Schneider, intervened and reminded members to not refer to truths or untruths in debate. He then asked Mr. McLachlan to rephrase his remarks. On April 24, 2002 during debate on Motion No. 228 Dennis Fentie (Watson Lake. NDP) rose on a point of order in response to the speech of lvfr. McLachlan. Mr. Fenüe urged Mr. McLachlan to “correct the facts.” Speaking to the point of order Hon. Mrs. Edelman (Riverdale South, Liberal) suggested there was no point of order merely a dispute between members as to the facts. Mr. Jenkins also spoke to the point of order saying Mr. McLachlan “would be blatantly misleading the House in putting (certain) information forward.” (Hansard, 3341) Speaker Schneider ruled there was no point of order, but a dispute between members. However he also
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At that point the Committee Chair Mike McLamon called for order indicating that the minister was casting aspersions on the character of Mr. Jenkins. The Chair asked members to focus on policy. Hon. Mr. Efioda apologized to Mr. Jenkins and expressed his inteintion to adhere to the ruling. On May 8, 2002 Committee of the Whole discussed a private member’s bill, Bill No. 101, Child, Youthand Family Advocacy Act. The Minister of Health and Social Services, Hon. Sue Edelman (Riverdale South, Liberal) criticized the bill, which was based on similar legislation in British Columbia. In doing so Hon. Mrs. Edelman said members who supported the bill simply copied it off the internet and “didn’t even (make) the effort to even Yukon-ize (its) terms and conditions.” As for those members who supported the bill Hon. Mrs. Edelman said, “They have a clear contempt for theft role as legislators in this House.” Committee Chair Mike McLamon called for order and asked members to “keep away from that language to make sure the Committee of the Whole demeanour does not degenerate.” (Hansard, 3594) During Question Period on May 15, 2002 Mr. Jenkins asked questions of the Minister of Environment, Hon. Mr. Eftoda regarding the government’s moratorium on identifying new areas for protection under the Protected Areas Strategy. In doing so Mr. Jenkins asked the minister if he would “now come clean and admit that his news release of April 24 was a complete and utter sham, designed to give the impression that he had ordered a slowdown of YPAS, when in fact it is full speed ahead.” In response the minister took exception to the word “sham” and said, “1 would question the Member for Klondike’s credibility on a vast number of issues.” The Speaker then called for order saying he did not wish to limit debate and would address the issues of language at the end of Question Period. At that time the Speaker spoke of his desire to get as many questions in as possible. However he noted the difficulty placed on the Chair in doing this if he is required to intervene due to unparliamentary words and phrases being used. The Speaker reminded member of the need for their cooperation in ensuring the smooth running of the Assembly. (Hansard, 3691-2) Later that day during Committee of the Whole debate on Bill No. 9 (Health and Social Services) the Minister of Health and Social Services, Hon. Sue Edelman, in referring to Mr. Roberts, said, “the member opposite...rarely listens to what individuals tell him.” Committee Chair Mike McLamon said such comments are likely to incite argument and asked members to keep their remarks focused on policy. (Hansard. 3697) Still later during the same debate Mr. Roberts remarked that Hon. Mrs. Edelman “shows a disdain for caucus by saying that caucus doesn’t make any decisions.” Once again the Chair intervened and reminded members to focus on policy. (Hansard, 3701) During Question Period on May 16, 2002 Mr. Fentie asked questions of the Minister of Environment. Hon. Mr. Eftoda regarding the devolution of responsibility’for forestry from the Government of Canada to the Government of Yukon. Hon. Mr. Eftoda, in referring to Mr.
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Fentie’s recent move from the New Democratic Party to the Yukon Party, called Mr. Fentie “the Member for Kiondike’s new sandbox playmate.” The Speaker called for order and asked the minister “not to be personal and offensive.” (Hansard, 3725) Beauchesne ‘s Parliamentary Rules & Forms informs us that “Remarks which do not [ appear on the public record and are therefore private conversations not heard by the Chair do not invite the intervention of the Speaker, although Members have apologized for hurtful remarks uttered in such circumstances.”53Occasionally the Chair will intervene, however, if ignoring such remarks is likely to lead to disorder. On May 6, 2002 during Committee of the Whole debate on r Bill No. 9 (Environment), the Minister of Environment, Hon. Mr. Efioda engaged Mr. McRobb Ii in debate. At one point Hon. Mr. Eftoda said
If the member is willing to listen to the answers, I would be more than willing but he doesn’t have to bring outside aspersions into this House. Mr. Chair, I will not tolerate that. I have indicated that I would respect his comments, but if he wants me to provide those comments in a respectful and diligent way, I would suggest he leave my family out of it. (Hansard, 3526) [ The remarks that caused Hon. Mr. Eftoda to say this were not on the record. Nonetheless Committee Chair Mike McLamon reminded the committee, “while remarks said (by members not recognized by the Chair) are not recorded by Hansard, they are certainly heard and the Chair will ask the members to be judicious in their comments, even if they are not in Hansard.” (Hansard, 3526) [ Raisina a point of order regarding unparliamentary language One issue that arose during the 2002 Spring Sitting was the manner in which members raise [ points of order regarding unparliamentary language. In referring to one example of this problem the Speaker, Hon. Dennis Schneider delivered a statement on April 29, 2002 in which he said [ In some cases it is clear which words or phrases are offensive. At other times it is not so clear. The Chair would appreciate it if, in future, members would idenn& those words or phrases they find offensive, and which Standing Order they believe has been breached, [ when raising points of order or advising the Chair as the Chair prepares to rule on points of order. I think we recall the difficulties the Chair had last week trying to determine what the point of order was. (Hansard, 3395)
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as Minister of Business, Tourism and Henry, Joe, tribute to, 19 tEl Culture, 23, 34, 42, 44, 49, 55 Heynen, Klaus, 24 as Minister of Environment. 23 Human Rights Act, 31 as Minister of the Environment, 12, 22, Income TaxAct (Wo.5j Act to Amend the. C 24,42,51,56,57,58 See Bill No. 55 Employment Standards Act, Act to Amend Jenkins, Peter, (Kiondike, Yukon Party), the. See Bill No. 62 Leader of the Third Party, 11, 14, 15, 16, C Fairciough, Eric, (Mayo-Tatchun). Leader of 18, 19. 22, 23, 24, 35, 41, 42, 44. 45, 46, the Third Party, 22 48, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56. 57, 58. 59 r Fairciough, Eric, (Mayo-Tatchun, NDP), Jim, Wayne, (Mclntyre-Takhini, Leader of the Official Opposition, 10. 11, Independent), 7,21,32,33,34 13,16,17,41,42,48,50,51,54 Jones, David Phillip, QC. Conflicts C Fentie. Dennis. (Watson Lake, NDP), 26, Commissioner, 17 50, 53, 55 Keenan, Dave, (Ross River-Southern Lakes, as Official Opposition House Leader, 18, NUP), 16, 19, 23, 30. 31, 40,44,48, 51, C 47,51,53 52, 54, 56 Fentie, Dennis, (Watson Lake, Yukon Ken, Hon. Scot, (Riverside, Liberal) [ Party), 13, 35, 48, 54, 57, 58 as Minister of Infrastructure, 22 Financial Administration Act. 14 Kent, Hon. Scott, (Riverside, Liberal), 23, Financial Administration Act, Act to Amend 40, 41, 44 C the. See Bill No. 72 as Minister of Energy, Mines and Gibbs, Sandra, 23, 24 Resources, 22, 35 Government Accountability Act. See Bill No. as Minister of Infrastructure, 35 C 59 Kwanlin Dun First Nation, 33 Government Motions MeLachian. Hon. Jim, (Faro. Liberal), 31, C generally, 20 32, 40,44,46, 53, 58 No. 169, 42, 43 as Government House Leader, 12, 13, 14, No. 185, 16,49 16. 17, 18, 28, 37. 38, 42, 43, 47, 48, C No.217,28 49, 50, 52, 53 No. 243, 49 as Minister of Justice, 45, 46, 56 No. 248, 12 McLamon, Mike. (Whitehorse Centre, No. 249,44 Independent), 7, 14, 15, 18, 24, 32, 38, No. 264, 17, 49, 65 39,41,48,51,53 Government Organisation Act. See Bill No. as Chair of Committee of the Whole, 9, C 57 10, 11, 14. 16, 20. 22, 23, 26, 28, 29, Question Guidelines for Oral Period 31, 35. 41,45,50,51,52, 54, 55, 56, L generally, 35, 38 57, 58 No.2,34,36 C
70 C McRobb, Gary, (Kluane, NDP), 9. 11, 12, 26, 27, 30, 31, 32, 33. 34. 35, 36, 37. 38, 16, 22, 28, 29, 34, 51. 56, 58,59 39, 41, 43, 44, 46, 47. 48, 50, 51. 53, 58 as Acting Chair of Committee of the Second Appropriation Act, 2002-03. See Bill Whole. 9 No.9 as Official Opposition House Leader, 30, Speaker. See Schneider. Hon. Dennis, 31, 47, 48 Speaker Members Services Board. 33 Spousal Compensation Act. See Bill No. 64 Michael, Patrick L., Clerk of the Legislative Standing Orders Assembly, 16, 26, 33, 43 generally, 7, 16, 18, 25, 27, 30, 31, 32, 33, Motions other than Government Motions, 44, 56 12, 13,20,61 No. 1,31 deferred to the next sitting day, 13 No. 2(2), 26 No. 31, 13 No. 2(4), 26 No. 97, 13, 65 No. 30),40 No. 141, 13 No. 3(2), 40 No. 149, 13 No. 3(3), 40 No. 189, 40, 53, 65 No. 4(2), 27 No. 228,9, 31, 40, 53, 58, 65 No. 5(2), 28 No. 273, 48, 65 No. 5(3), 9,26 withdrawn from the Order Paper, 13 No. 6(6), 23 Notice Paper, 30 No. 11(2), 19 O’Brien, Rick, Chief, Kwanlin Dun First No. 12(2), 12, 14 Nation, 33 No. 130), 12, 13 Official Tree Act. See Bill No. 51 No. 14,30 Ombudsman Act, 16 No. 140), 30 Opposition Private Members’ Day, 13, 30 No. 14(2),30,31 order and decorum, 20 No. 14.2(3), 15,30,48 Order Paper, 11, 13, 20, 30 No. 14.2(7). 30 mistake on, 13 No. 14.3,46 Orders of the Day, 12, 16, 17,30,39,48,49 No. 17(1), 20, 21 Peter, Lorraine, (Vuntut Owitchin, NDP). No. 17(2), 36, 44 19,37,56 No. 19,49 Petition No. 5, 26 No. 19W, 45 Premier. See Duncan, Hon. Pat, (Porter No. 19(g), 34, 50, 51, 52, 53 Creek South, Liberal), Premier No. 19(h), 53 Question Period, 7, 36, 37, 38, 57 No. 190), 51,54,59 Roberts, Don, (Porter Creek North, No. 19(i)(b),40 Independent), 7, 9. 10, 19, 23, 24, 32, 51. No. 190), 49 52, 53, 56, 57 No. 19(k), 49 as Deputy Chair of Committee of the No. 27(1), 49 Whole. 9, 14, 27, 28, 29 No. 30(g), 16 Schneider, Hon. Dennis, Speaker, 9. 11. 13, No. 38(2), 17 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, No. 41, 12,17
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