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HONG KONG LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 23 March 1983 659 HONG KONG LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 23 March 1983 659 OFFICIAL REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS Wednesday, 23 March 1983 The Council met at half past two o’clock PRESENT HIS EXCELLENCY THE GOVERNOR (PRESIDENT) SIR EDWARD YOUDE, G.C.M.G., M.B.E. THE HONOURABLE THE CHIEF SECRETARY (Acting) THE HONOURABLE THE SECRETARY FOR HOME AFFAIRS MR. DENIS CAMPBELL BRAY, C.M.G., C.V.O., J.P. THE HONOURABLE THE FINANCIAL SECRETARY MR. JOHN HENRY BREMRIDGE, O.B.E. THE HONOURABLE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR. JOHN CALVERT GRIFFITHS, Q.C. THE HONOURABLE ROGERIO HYNDMAN LOBO, C.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE DAVID AKERS-JONES, C.M.G., J.P. SECRETARY FOR DISTRICT ADMINISTRATION THE HONOURABLE DAVID WYLIE MCDONALD, C.M.G., J.P. SECRETARY FOR LANDS AND WORKS DR. THE HONOURABLE HARRY FANG SIN-YANG, C.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LO TAK-SHING, C.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE FRANCIS YUAN-HAO TIEN, O.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE KENNETH WALLIS JOSEPH TOPLEY, C.M.G., J.P. SECRETARY FOR EDUCATION AND MANPOWER THE REVD. THE HONOURABLE JOYCE MARY BENNETT, O.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHEN SHOU-LUM, O.B.E., J.P. DR. THE HONOURABLE HENRY HU HUNG-LICK, O.B.E., J.P. THE REVD. THE HONOURABLE PATRICK TERENCE MCGOVERN, O.B.E., S.J., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ALAN JAMES SCOTT, C.B.E., J.P. SECRETARY FOR TRANSPORT THE HONOURABLE PETER C. WONG, O.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG LAM, O.B.E., J.P. DR. THE HONOURABLE THONG KAH-LEONG, C.B.E., J.P. DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES DR. THE HONOURABLE RAYSON LISUNG HUANG, C.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHARLES YEUNG SIU-CHO, O.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE JOHN MARTIN ROWLANDS, C.B.E., J.P. SECRETARY FOR THE CIVIL SERVICE THE HONOURABLE JAMES NEIL HENDERSON, O.B.E., J.P. COMMISSIONER FOR LABOUR DR. THE HONOURABLE HO KAM-FAI, O.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ALLEN LEE PENG-FEI, O.B.E., J.P. 660 HONG KONG LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 23 March 1983 THE HONOURABLE ANDREW SO KWOK-WING, J.P. THE HONOURABLE GERALD PAUL NAZARETH, O.B.E., Q.C., J.P. LAW DRAFTSMAN THE HONOURABLE HU FA-KUANG, J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG PO-YAN, O.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE JOHN MORRISON RIDDELL-SWAN, O.B.E., J.P. DIRECTOR OF AGRICULTURE AND FISHERIES THE HONOURABLE DONALD LIAO POON-HUAI, C.B.E., J.P. SECRETARY FOR HOUSING THE HONOURABLE GRAHAM BARNES, J.P. REGIONAL SECRETARY (HONG KONG AND KOWLOON), CITY AND NEW TERRITORIES ADMINISTRATION THE HONOURABLE WILLIAM CHARLES LANGDON BROWN, O.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN KAM-CHUEN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE STEPHEN CHEONG KAM-CHUEN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHEUNG YAN-LUNG, M.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE IAN FRANCIS CLUNY MACPHERSON, O.B.E., J.P. REGIONAL SECRETARY (NEW TERRITORIES), CITY AND NEW TERRITORIES ADMINISTRATION THE HONOURABLE MARIA TAM WAI-CHU, J.P. DR. THE HONOURABLE HENRIETTA IP MAN-HING THE HONOURABLE PIERS JACOBS, O.B.E., J.P. SECRETARY FOR ECONOMIC SERVICES THE HONOURABLE DAVID GREGORY JEAFFRESON, C.B.E., J.P. SECRETARY FOR SECURITY THE HONOURABLE GEOFFREY THOMAS BARNES, J.P. SECRETARY FOR HEALTH AND WELFARE THE HONOURABLE JOHN WALTER CHAMBERS, J.P. DIRECTOR OF SOCIAL WELFARE THE HONOURABLE MICHAEL LEUNG MAN-KIN, J.P. DIRECTOR OF EDUCATION (Acting) ABSENT THE HONOURABLE ALEX WU SHU-CHIH, C.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LYDIA DUNN, O.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ERIC PETER HO, C.B.E., J.P. SECRETARY FOR TRADE AND INDUSTRY THE HONOURABLE JOHN JOSEPH SWAINE, O.B.E., Q.C., J.P. THE HONOURABLE MRS. SELINA CHOW LIANG SHUK-YEE, J.P. IN ATTENDANCE THE CLERK TO THE LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL MRS. JENNIE CHOK PANG YUEN-YEE HONG KONG LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 23 March 1983 661 Papers The following papers were laid pursuant to Standing Order 14(2):― Subject L.N. No. Subsidiary Legislation: Hong Kong Tourist Association Ordinance. Hong Kong Tourist Association (Amendment) Rules 1983 ........................ 82 Public Health (Animals and Birds) Ordinance. Regulation of Movement of Dogs Order 1983 ............................................ 84 Hong Kong Airport (Regulations) Ordinance. Hong Kong Airport (Traffic) (Amendment) Regulations 1983 ................... 85 Registration of Persons Ordinance. Registration of Persons (Amendment) Regulations 1983............................ 86 Registration of Persons (Amendment) Ordinance 1983. Registration of Persons (Amendment) Ordinance 1983 (Commencement) Notice 1983 ................................................................................................. 88 Sessional Papers 1982-83: No. 46―University and Polytechnic Grants Committee of Hong Kong―Report for the period July 1980 to December 1982. No. 47―Government Minute in response to the report of the Public Accounts Committee dated December 1982. Government business Second reading of bill APPROPRIATION BILL 1983 Resumption of debate on second reading (23 February 1983) Question proposed. DR. FANG:―Sir, the Financial Secretary’s Budget proposals serve as a sobering reminder to us all that lean times remain with us and that some belt tightening is required to see us through this patchy period. I agree that Hong Kong has been spared the worst rigours of the recession that is gripping the world though this is cold comfort to the unemployed and the underemployed. Basically sound social 662 HONG KONG LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 23 March 1983 and fiscal policies coupled with the community’s willingness to take the good times with the bad have seen us through worst periods and will undoubtedly see us through this one. I do not expect that the Financial Secretary’s proposals to raise revenue will find universal acceptance for we all have our favourite indulgences. But even he cannot work miracles. The money must come from somewhere and I generally support his move to raise new revenue from indirect taxation and charges, this being the least painful for the masses of the people. In the course of these two days, almost all my Unofficial Colleagues will be speaking. Whilst some may take issue with specific proposals, I hope there will be a wide measure of support for the underlying philosophies governing this year’s Budget. I have the privilege, Sir, of leading the debate and will therefore set a good example by being brief. Firstly, Sir, I would seek an assurance from the Financial Secretary that long term planning in the social services field will continue. He has already made it clear that the housing programme will be maintained. I have more to say on this later. But it is no less important that projects in the medical, rehabilitation and social welfare field should proceed as planned for these not only affect the well being of large sectors of the community but are the stuff that demonstrates a caring and compassionate Government. Sir, I do not advocate reckless spending but I do ask that in the allocation of funds, we get our priorities right, or as nearly right as possible, and that we avoid a ‘stop-go’ approach in planning for purpose built facilities. I welcome Government’s assurance that there will continue to be an annual production of 35 000 public housing units. I estimate that this would cost us some $3.6 billion discounting land costs. This is larger than the deficit for 1982-83. Few will disagree that housing is one of our most pressing problems and I remain convinced that Government should continue to provide rental accommodation for those who cannot afford their own housing. But we have come a long way since the great fire at Shek Kip Mei set in motion our public housing programme. Times have changed, people’s aspirations have changed and so have their pockets. I believe we must now consider new initiatives in the housing field and I would urge that serious thought be given to increasing home ownership by encouraging those in public housing estates to buy the units they are now living in. Home ownership makes sound social policy but it is clear that only limited inroads can be made if we continue to rely on the present strategy. In the 1983-84 housing programme for example, only 6 400 units out of a total estimated stock of 36 600 units will be for sale. Greater impact could be achieved and much needed revenue raised if we were to impose a means- test on those who have resided in public housing estates for say, ten years or over, and give them an option to buy their living units if they are found to be no longer eligible to retain them on a rental basis. As a start, the choice of units for sale might be limited to those estates that have already achieved maximum development. If the terms of purchase can be made reasonably attractive, and with the assistance of 20 year bank mortgages, I believe that the capital outlay HONG KONG LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 23 March 1983 663 and monthly instalment payments would be within the reach of a sizeable number of sitting tenants. It is well known that some long term residents in public housing estates now earn incomes well in excess of the eligibility limit for their highly subsidized rental accommodation. By resorting to buy, such families can avoid the means-test and free themselves from the existing restrictive tenancy regulations, quite apart from securing a realizable asset. I estimate that this form of home ownership will bring in some $3.5 billion even on a conservative reckoning. This is calculated on the basis that at least 7% of existing households in public housing (or 35 000 units out of a total stock of half a million) will have the capacity to buy at an average cost of $100,000 per unit.
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