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Vol. 724 Thursday No. 106 3 February 2011 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES (HANSARD) HOUSE OF LORDS OFFICIAL REPORT ORDER OF BUSINESS Introductions: Lord Gold, Lord Storey Questions Congo: International Crisis Group Report Palestine Consumer Credit EU: Emissions Trading Scheme Business of the House Timing of Debates Children: Parenting for Success in School Debate Arts: Funding Debate Investment Bank Special Administration Regulations 2011 Investment Bank (Amendment of Definition) Order 2011 Motions to Approve Written Statements Written Answers For column numbers see back page £3·50 Lords wishing to be supplied with these Daily Reports should give notice to this effect to the Printed Paper Office. The bound volumes also will be sent to those Peers who similarly notify their wish to receive them. No proofs of Daily Reports are provided. 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THE INDEX to each Bound Volume of House of Commons Debates is published separately at £9·00 and can be supplied to standing order. WEEKLY INFORMATION BULLETIN, compiled by the House of Commons, gives details of past and forthcoming business, the work of Committees and general information on legislation, etc. Single copies: £1·50. Annual subscription: £53·50. All prices are inclusive of postage. © Parliamentary Copyright House of Lords 2011, this publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Parliamentary Click-Use Licence, available online through the Office of Public Sector Information website at www.opsi.gov.uk/click-use/ 1459 Introductions[3 FEBRUARY 2011] Congo: ICG Report 1460 on those matters? Will the Government initiate with House of Lords European partners, or anyone else they can find—and of course with the Congolese and other regional Thursday, 3 February 2011. Governments—a fresh approach that will be non-military, whose terms will be known to the people, rather than 11 am kept secret, and that will grapple with the deepest causes of the conflict and give some hope of security, Prayers—read by the Lord Bishop of Guildford. freedom from fear and even the most basic levels of economic development? Lastly, will the Government put an end to impunity for those who are causing the Introduction: Lord Gold rape and mayhem? 11.07 am Lord Wallace of Saltaire: My Lords, the report is David Laurence Gold, Esquire, having been created indeed very depressing. The Government are not under Baron Gold, of Westcliffe-on-Sea in the County of any illusions about the enormous task there is to try Essex, was introduced and made the solemn affirmation, to create order in the Kivus. Perhaps I might help supported by Lord Brittan of Spennithorne and Baroness Members by pointing out that North and South Kivu Bottomley of Nettlestone, and signed an undertaking to together have a population of about 11 million. It is abide by the Code of Conduct. estimated that there are nearly 2 million displaced people in the DRC, many of them in the Kivus, and there are about 20 militia groups operating outside the Introduction: Lord Storey Congolese armed forces in the Kivu—and the Congolese armed forces leave something to be desired in terms of 11.13 am discipline and order. We do not underestimate the tasks ahead. Michael John Storey, CBE, having been created Baron Storey, of Childwall in the City of Liverpool, was Lord Alton of Liverpool: My Lords, I welcome what introduced and took the oath, supported by Baroness the Minister said in terms of the practical help that is Williams of Crosby and Lord Rennard, and signed an being given in the Kivus. Does he recognise the disarming undertaking to abide by the Code of Conduct. of the militia to which he has just referred, in particular the Interahamwe genocidaires, who have used rape as Congo: International Crisis Group Report a weapon of war throughout the Kivus, as well as the Question impunity that the right reverend Prelate mentioned? Will he say more about the flow of arms into that area and what we can do to halt it, and what we are doing 11.18 am to disarm these militia, especially the child soldiers Asked by The Lord Bishop of Winchester who are involved in these depredations? To ask Her Majesty’s Government what is their assessment of the International Crisis Group’s Lord Wallace of Saltaire: My Lords, again I must recent Report Congo: No Stability in Kivu despite stress the sheer size of the DRC. There are 20,000 troops Rapprochement with Rwanda.. in MONUSCO. They operate across the entire DRC, which is roughly the same size as western Europe. At Lord Wallace of Saltaire: My Lords, the International present, they have 24 helicopters. Unfortunately, the Crisis Group states that civilians are still suffering Indians withdrew their dozen helicopters some time shocking levels of violence in the Kivus, but the ago. There are limits to what the international community Democratic Republic of Congo’s rapprochement with is able to do in this area. As the noble Lord knows, Rwanda significantly improves the prospect for peace. some of the unofficial forces come from Rwanda and The UK has close relations with both the DRC and others from Uganda. Nevertheless, we are working Rwanda. We support MONUSCO, the UN peacekeeping with other members of the international community force, both politically and financially, and the United as actively as we can to try to build an effective Kingdom is the biggest humanitarian donor in the administration in the area, which it currently lacks. Kivus. Baroness Kinnock of Holyhead: My Lords, has the The Lord Bishop of Winchester: My Lords, I thank Minister concluded that there can be no security in the the Minister for that reply, but I ask for a greater level DRC until there is security for women? Only this of realism from him and from the Government. The week, the UN registered that 120 women had been report to which he refers—he may have been toiling raped in east Congo in this year alone, and those are with its French, but it is now translated—makes it just the reported rapes. Is pressure being put on the clear that the ICG believes that that rapprochement Government of the DRC to push much harder on the has got nowhere. As he says, the level of violence issues of justice and impunity, and to put those issues continues, the minerals are still in the wrong hands, further up the agenda? Is the noble Lord aware that and a great many people are being killed or made only 0.1 per cent of the DRC budget is allocated to the insecure. Will he reconsider and agree with the report justice sector at this time? We should surely ask what 1461 Congo: ICG Report[LORDS] Palestine 1462 [BARONESS KINNOCK OF HOLYHEAD] Palestine has happened to that idea of zero tolerance that the Question president of DRC has spoken about. Rape cannot be seen as collateral damage, cultural or inevitable. 11.26 am Lord Wallace of Saltaire: My Lords, we are Asked By Baroness Tonge co-operating with other members of the European To ask Her Majesty’s Government what plans Union in providing assistance to improving the quality they have to recognise Palestine as a sovereign state. of justice in the DRC. We all recognise that the quality at present leaves a great deal to be desired. There is also an enormous task in improving the quality of Lord Wallace of Saltaire: My Lords, we are aware training in the Congolese army. A number of countries, of the steps that some countries have taken in recognising including Britain, are contributing in different ways to the state of Palestine. However, we are clear that the the training of the battalions. I should remark that the only way to achieve a sovereign, viable and contiguous Chinese are also helping to improve the quality of Palestinian state is through negotiations with Israel. training. Equally, the best way Israel can ensure its peace and security is through negotiations with the Palestinians. We urge both parties to return to talks urgently to Lord Chidgey: My Lords, is my noble friend aware reach agreement by September on all final status issues, that the United States has recently committed increased leading to the creation of a Palestinian state. funding and logistical support to the regional efforts to disband the LRA and to capture Joseph Kony and his commanders who are still operating with impunity Baroness Tonge: Does my noble friend agree that in the region? Is he also aware that the scant intelligence recent leaks about the Israel/Palestine negotiations in available on the LRA severely constrains the effectiveness the past show that Israel has had no intention of of these operations? Will the Government initiate a making peace and continues to acquire more Palestinian