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Official Report Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) Wednesday 9 September 2020 Session 5 © Parliamentary copyright. Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body Information on the Scottish Parliament’s copyright policy can be found on the website - www.parliament.scot or by contacting Public Information on 0131 348 5000 Wednesday 9 September 2020 CONTENTS Col. PRESIDING OFFICER’S STATEMENT..................................................................................................................... 1 POINT OF ORDER ............................................................................................................................................... 6 PORTFOLIO QUESTION TIME ............................................................................................................................... 7 ENVIRONMENT, CLIMATE CHANGE AND LAND REFORM ........................................................................................ 7 Flooding (Inverclyde) .................................................................................................................................... 7 Vacant and Derelict Land ............................................................................................................................. 8 Flooding (Urban Drainage) ........................................................................................................................... 9 Littering (Highlands and Islands) ................................................................................................................ 11 Emissions Reduction (Farms and Crofts) ................................................................................................... 12 United Nations Climate Change Conference of the Parties (COP26) ........................................................ 13 Green Economy .......................................................................................................................................... 14 RURAL ECONOMY AND TOURISM ...................................................................................................................... 15 Fishing Industry (Wind Farms) ................................................................................................................... 15 Covid-19 (Agricultural Shows and Fairs) .................................................................................................... 17 Domestic Tourism ....................................................................................................................................... 19 Tourism (Dundee) ....................................................................................................................................... 21 Dirty Camping (Loch Lomond and the Trossachs National Park) .............................................................. 22 Wedding Guidance ..................................................................................................................................... 23 Covid-19 (Glasgow Tourism Venues)......................................................................................................... 25 HATE CRIME AND PUBLIC ORDER (SCOTLAND) BILL ......................................................................................... 27 Motion moved—[Liam Kerr]. Amendment moved—[Humza Yousaf]. Amendment moved—[Rhoda Grant]. Amendment moved—[John Finnie]. Amendment moved—[Liam McArthur]. Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con)....................................................................................................... 27 The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Humza Yousaf) ................................................................................... 32 Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) ............................................................................................... 36 John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Green) ............................................................................................. 39 Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) ......................................................................................................... 42 Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) ..................................................................................... 45 Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) .............................................................................................. 47 Fulton MacGregor (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP) ................................................................................ 49 Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab) ................................................................................................................ 52 Ruth Maguire (Cunninghame South) (SNP) ............................................................................................... 53 Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) .................................................................................................... 55 John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) ................................................................................................. 57 Adam Tomkins (Glasgow) (Con) ................................................................................................................ 59 Shona Robison (Dundee City East) (SNP) ................................................................................................. 60 Johann Lamont (Glasgow) (Lab) ................................................................................................................ 62 Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) ....................................................................................................... 65 Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) ............................................................................................... 66 Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) ........................................................................................................... 68 Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) .............................................................................................................. 71 Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) ................................................................................................ 73 Humza Yousaf ............................................................................................................................................ 75 Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) ....................................................................................... 77 FISHERIES BILL ............................................................................................................................................... 81 Motion moved—[Fergus Ewing]. BUSINESS MOTIONS ......................................................................................................................................... 82 Motions moved—[Graeme Dey]—and agreed to. PARLIAMENTARY BUREAU MOTIONS ................................................................................................................. 85 Motions moved—[Graeme Dey]. DECISION TIME ................................................................................................................................................ 86 DIRTY CAMPING ............................................................................................................................................... 96 Motion debated—[Murdo Fraser]. Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) .............................................................................................. 96 Bruce Crawford (Stirling) (SNP) ............................................................................................................... 100 Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) ............................................................................... 101 Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) .................................................................................................... 103 Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) .............................................................................................. 105 Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) ............................................................................................................ 107 Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) ...................................................................... 109 Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) .................................................................................................. 111 Gordon MacDonald (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP) ................................................................................... 113 Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) .............................................................................................................. 114 Gail Ross (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP) ................................................................................ 116 The Minister for Rural Affairs and the Natural Environment (Mairi Gougeon) ......................................... 117 1 9 SEPTEMBER 2020 2 On the basis of that information, I am confident Scottish Parliament that the result of the vote is reliable and, as such, the vote on Neil Findlay’s amendment stands. I Wednesday 9 September 2020 appreciate and acknowledge that not all members will be happy about my decision, but I believe that [The Presiding Officer opened the meeting at to rerun the vote would be even more unfair. 14:00] That said, I understand that the earlier administrative
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