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(B Cont.) Barrett, Harlan R. 313, 314 Barrett, Robert M. (SA) 358 Barron, Frank (Mrs.) Tr;TT Bates, B. A. (Jr.) 325 Beale, Betty 306, 307 Beayse, Donald 442 Beck, Eddie 248 Bell, Bonnie H. 322 Bell, Luvesta Alfred 161 Belli, Melvin —'f Benedict, Ed 323 Bennett, Karen 330, 346 Bennett (Mr.) 127 Bernet, Edward Nelson 164, 190 Berry, Gaille 193 "Bill" --—74TT. Birch,Birch,arrwERTrnly 239 Birch, Frances (Mrs.) errg Birch, James R. (Mrs.) 777, 240 Birch, Jane Tr;TT Birdie Mae 404 Black, Robert 327 Blackman, Roger 164 Blackmer, Roger 164 Blake, Sue ;TrIn Blanton, W. G. 246 Blumenfield, Isadore 133 Bobby (LNU) 366 Bolton, A. G. (SR.). 363 Bolton, Beverly 363 Bolton, Glenn 363 Bookhout, James W. (SA) 359 Bostick, Harvey Davis '21'23 1 Bostick, Norma Jean 326 Boston, Tom 241

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DL 44-1639 MCC:LAC 13. RE: DR.DR. MANFREDMANFRED S. SItGUTTMACHER /l ofop )1))1)

1 .ByBy communicationcommunication December 27, 1963, the Bureau advised no record was found in Bureau indices concerning_Dr. B. _W. oA.BkOMBERG,keROMBERG, defensedefense psychiatrist. 0,‘ .1 Bureau noted background data on Dr. GUTTMACHER can be /found in "Who's Who in America". The Bureau enclosed a copy of a memorandum from the Baltimore Office captioned "DR. MANFRED S. . GUTTMACHER; INFORMATION CONCERNING", along with a clipping from the March 10, 1959, issue of the Baltimore Sun newspaper; a copy of a clipping from the February 6, 1959, issue of the Washington Daily News; and a clipping from the March 12, 1959, issue of the Washington Post and Times Herald.

•• The Baltimore memorandum referred to reflected Dr. GUTTMACHER to be a Chief Medical Officer of the Supreme Bench in Baltimore, a psychiatrist by profession and, according to the current city directory, an instructor at Johns Hopkins University. It was stated indices of the Baltimore Office contain . numerous references to Dr. GUTTMACHER. One such reference reflected a newspaper clipping from the Baltimore Morning Sun • dated June 28, 1951, concerning testimony given before the House . Committee on Un-American Activities. One LOUIS GINSBERG, described in the news article as a Baltimore food salesman, testified before the committee concerning the Book Shop Association of Baltimore. GINSBERG named ROCKWELL KENT, described in the news item as a • "Left Wing painter and writer", as one of the lecturers obtained by the Book Shop Association. Representative JACKSON (Republican-- California) asked GINSBERG if he could recall any "Conservative . lecturers". GINSBERG replied that Dr. MANFRED S. GUTTMACHER, psychiatrist, had once spoken on "The Insanity of GEORGE III".

4 - The Baltimore memor ects that on July 22, 1955, former Confidential Informant who had furnished both reliable and unreliable info the past, advised that from 1944 to 19411948 the Communist Party, USA, District 4, controlled and dominated the activities of the Book Shop of Baltimore, Inc., through the election of C.P. members as officers and by the support of Communist Party members inin attendanceattendance atat meetingsmeetings ofof. this organization. . . )( COVER PAGE DL 44-1639

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The memorandum continues that in 1950 Dr. GUTTHACHER's name appeared on the letterhead of United World Federalists of Maryland, Inc., as one of the members of the Maryland Advisory Council. The newspaper clippings furnished. by the Bureau communication are concerned with the objection of Dr. GUTTMACHER to the inclusion in the "Journal of the American Medical'Associa- tion" of a request by FBI for co-operation of all physicians in •locating an individual who was then a federal fugitive. Dr. GUTTMACHER's position was, according to the articles, both supported and criticized by other physicians.

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INFORMATION RE DR. MANFRED S. GUTTMACHER, Physician, Baltimore, Maryland Records of current Chesapeake and Potomac Telephone Company, Baltimore, list Dr. MANFRED S. GUTTMACHER, with a residence of Stevenson, Maryland, and as a physician with office at 819 Park Avenue, Baltimore.

Information appearing in public press, Baltimore, reveals that MANFRED S. GUTTMACHER is attached to Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, and is the examining psychiatrist for the Supreme Bench of Baltimore, the 8th Judicial Circuit of the State of Maryland, located in Baltimore, Maryland.

Files of the Baltimore office contain no derogatory information concerning GUTTMACHER. Information has appeared in the public press concern- ing the work cf Dr. C'JTTtIACHER for the Supreme Bench. In connection with the case entitled "MELVIN DAVIS REES, Jr., aka; CARROLL VERNCN JACKSON, Jr., et al, Victim, UFAP-Murder; Perjury", (On: Baltimore), at the request of the U.S. Attorney for the District of Maryland, Dr. GUTTMACHER, in 1961, examined REES and certified that REES was competent to stand trial. In the matter entitled "JOSEPH HAVERMAN ALVEY, aka; MICHAEL JOSEPH CONDETTI (deceased), Victim, Kidnapping",(00: Baltimore) again at the request of the U.S. Attorney, Dr. GUTTMACHER examined ALVEY and furnished an official opinion that he believed ALVEY represented a threat to the welfare of the community and should definitely be placed in a mental in- stitution.

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ADMINISTRATIVE On December 30, 1963, 1963, PCIIppillilladvisod PCIIppillilladvised Special Agent ROBERT P. GEMBERLING t t or approximately six weeks'in early 19611961 sheshe workedworked forfor JACKJACK RUBYRUBY asas aa waitresswaitress • at the Carousel Club in Dallas, : She stated she had never seen bornor met LEE RARVEY OSWALD and knew of no acquaintance- ship he might have with RUBY.

PCI advised thatthat RUBY waswas an individual who "would fly off the handle without provocation" and had a very hot temper. To her knowledge he fraternized with no one other than his roommate GEORGE SENATOR. She stated he always had his three dachshund dogs with him at work.

PCI advised that the turnover in his employees at the Carousel Club was great because RUBY could not get along for any period of time with his help and was highly critical of his employees, but Would frequently be patting his heavy- paying customers on the back. She stated to her knowledge RUBY had never been married butbut waswas very devoted to his sister EVA, who ran the Vegas Club for RUBY.

PCI stated she had never heard RUBY discuss poli- tics. SheShe statedstated itit waswas herher beliefbelief that RUBY usually usually carried a gun and that he was very impulsive and did everything "on • the spurspur of the moment."

PCI stated that it isis herbar firm belief that RUBY as he passedpassed the Dallas Police Station on the morning of November 24, 1963, thought of how he could become a hero by shooting OSWALD.and acted on this impulse andand did proceed to murdermurder OSWALD. SheShe statedstated thethe isis firmlyfirmly convincedconvinced therethere isis no con- nection whatsoever between OSWALD and RUBY or in the assassi- nation of the President and the-subsequent killing of OSWALD.

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It is noted that pages 5 through 10 of the report of 8A MANNING C. CLEMENTS, dated December 31, 1963, at Dallas, Texas, sets forth interview on December 161 1963, with HENRY MACHIRELLA, reporter for the "New York Daily News". MACHIRELLA in his interview furnished information to the effect that while at Dallas, Texas, on November 25, 1963,1963, followingfollowing thethe shootingshooting of of OSWALD OSWALD by by IIUBY, =BY, he had an occasion to talk with Attorney TOM HOWARD, Dallas, who was representing relative to the shootipg.shooting. He stated that HOWARD related to him that shortly after the shooting of OSWALD, HOWARD went to his office on November 24, 1963, and there met a "lawyer from the East" who opened an attache case containing two pistols. This lawyer told TOM HOWARD that he had come to Dallas to kill OSWALD. HOWARD stated that he informed this man that he might as well take a bus back to the East. HOWARD indicated to MACHIRELLA that he had not reported this event to the police authorities. It is further noted that Pittsburgh is origin ;/ of a pending case entitled "WILLIAM Hw4ARNALL,144ARNALL, aka; CAA - CARRYING CONCEALED WEAPON"; Pittsburgh file 16444;--77,,--- .Dallas°Dallas filefile 164-9.164-9. The report of SA RAY V. SHOEMAKER, ir° dated December 19, 1963, at Pittsburgh, indicates that DARNALL was interviewed by Bureau Agents in Huntington, West Virginia, on December 10, 1963, at which timetine he orally admitted traveling by Eastern Airlines from Huntington, West Virginia to Dallas, for the purpose of shooting OSWALD and also admitted taking with him on this flight two pistols. He further admitted that after . arriving at Dallas, he learned that OSWALD had already been killed by RUBY and consequently he contacted RUBY's attorney, TOM HOWARD, to offer his assistance in the defense of-RUBY. He added that he returned to Huntington the following day, bringing the pistols with him. It is further noted that the USA, Charleston, West Virginia, has-advised that since DARNALL appears to be an alcoholic, successful prosecution would appear questionable. He stated, however, that due to the purpose of the trip on the part of DARNALL, he desired to discuss this matter with the Department of Justice prior to rendering a final prosecutive opinion. In view of the above, TOM HOWARD is not being interviewed. Any such interview will be left to the discretion -of the Pittsburgh Office. COVER PAGE J. DL 44-1639 JJF:LAC . 1 Information obtained from records of Western Union Telegraph Company, 2034 Main St in this report was furnished bye 411111111r411111111,1WesternWestern Union Telegraph a as, exas. The information obtained from the Southwes Tele honehone ComCom anan Dallas,Dallas, Texas, Texas, waswas obtainedobtained fro by SA ROBERT C. LISH on Decemb • E. B. DUGGER, Superintendent, Casa View Branch, U. S. Post Office, advised SA JAMES E. GARRIS on December 19, 1963, that his records fail to reflect a change of address for JEANINE or LLOYD JOHNSON, who formerly resided at 7927 Millstone, Dallas. He added, however, that change of address records are maintained for only two years. He also stated the regular mail carrier on the route that covers the above address advised him the JOHNSONS were unknown to him. On December 20, 1963, LEON PHILLIPS, Assistant Super- intendent, U. S. Post Office, Greenville and Sears Streets, Dallas, advised there was no forwarding address in the files of that office for ANN PETTA, 5119 Live Oak. On December 19, 1963, Southwestern BellBell TelepTelep oneone ompany, furnished in or- 111,1 SA MALON L. JENNINGS at. Fort Worth, Texas, regarding telephone number BUtler 1-1909. On December 19, 1963, information concerning bank accounts of RALPH PAUL at the First National Bank, Arlington, exas waswas furnishedconfidentiallyfurnishedconfidentially to to SASA MALONMALON L.L. JENNINGSJENNINGS by

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4 DL 44-1639 *. 1 • " 1 . • 0#419/Y ,✑"✎✇ Check of the Cinc4OnatiCinc4nnati fice index reflects thatthat inon August 16, 1950, one GLORIA.OLORIMALVE VSRDkKEPPLER PLER interviewed at the Cincinnati Workhouse advised that she and ORVILLE GADD had resided as man and wife at 1107 Banklick, Covington, Kentucky,. and that GADD was then probably living with his mother, Mrs. VEVA WEBER,'WEBER, 1528 1528 GreenupGreenup Street,Street, Covington.Covington. KEPPLER denied that GADD had transported her from Covington, Kentucky, to Cincinnati, Ohio, stated thatthdt she add GADD had "broken up" after she waswas arrestedarrested onon J1.114J1,94 17,N950,17,N950, byby Cincinna4.Cincinna4. Detectives, whichwhich arrestarrest exposedexposed her'hee asas aa prostitute.prostitute. She denied that GAID had any knoyledge atof her being a prdStitute.

The iecordsiecords ofof the.,the. Western, UU Y, were made avauliilable ilable by whose identity should co eu a . 4 On December 20, 1963, BILLGOODW1N, U. S. Most • Office, Burbank, California,California, advisedadvised BASA VINCENTVINCENT J.J. OWHEILLr-HEILL that underunder datedate ofof OctoberOctober 1'863'663 vaswas'int* notation notation thatthat ereere was no forward4ng order for :the'the HUEY J.. MC QUILLANs m 135 South- Cordova, Burbank,Burbank, .Csilifort0.a.: California. :

On mber source of the Sherman Oaks, divulged, advisedadvised SABA VINCENTVINCENT J.J. O'NEILL-thatO'NEILLrthat sheshe hadhad 'no .no record of thethe namename ofof HUEYHUEY IL.J. MCMC QUILLAN,QUILLAN, whichwhich indidatedindidated MC QUILLAN was probably a non-union bartender when h4!he: was so employed. J • employed. '' • 4 4 • 4 Louiiville letter to Albany, April 9, 1960;' captioned "CHRISTIAN"CHRISTIAN KNIGHTSKNIGHTS OFOF THETHE 'cp.KLL KLUXKLUX KLAN,KLAN, RACIAL MATTERS" (Louisville(Louisville filefile 15/-14.15/-14* St.8t. LbuiLui filefile 157=0-13a),157=0-13a), reflects that Onon June 17, 1860,1960, made " . available to SA WARREN L. WALSH a dressed' envelopes which were to be subsequently mailed. Each envelope contained a copy of the "Klan Bulletin" dated June, 1860,1960, together with application for membershipMembership in the''the ' Christian KnightsKnights ofof thethe Klu,KluxKlu Klux KlanKlan (CKKKK).(CKKKK). One 'ofrod these envelopes was addressed to ColonelColonel JACK STINSON, 5326 Conde, St.St. Louis,Louis, Missouri.Missouri. , . ; Some of the envelopes were sent to the members of the CKKIKK=KKK or or to to members members of of the the NatiOnalNational StatesStates RightsRights. Party.Party. Some envelopes were sent to non-members. The informant did not specify if Colonel STINSON was a member or non-member. A■ I. I COVER PACEPAGE I •

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PCI, on December 23, 1963, advised SA TONY . SEABAUGH at KanslaCity, Missouri, that he has known JACK LEON RUBY since about 1946, although he did not consider him -a close friend. PCI related that in about January, 1946, he was bn terminal leave from the U. S. Army and was then residing in Dallas Texas. Be was acquainted with the married and divorced sister of RUBY, who then operated the Silver Spur in Dallas. She was having difficulty in the operation of this night club and her brother, JACK RUBY, who then residedrefided in Chicago, came to Dallas to assist her in operation of the club. During the approximate period, January through March, 1946, PCI and the sister of JACK RUBY operated the Silver Spur and JACK RUBY "attempted to drum up business." PCI re-entered the U. S. Army in 1946, but visited the Dallas, Texas, area frequently there- after and renewed his acquaintance with RUBY on each visit. PCI stated that he saw RUBY in Dallas, Texas, in 1950, 1953, 1957 and in 1960. In about 1953, RUBY operated the College Inn, a bar located near the intersection of Oaklawn and Lennox Avenue in Dallas, Texas. In 1960, this bar was known as the Vegas and was operated by RUBY'sRUBY'S sister. PCI said when he was in Dallas in October, 1960, JACK RUBY managed a bar in an upstairs room on Commerce Street and PCI believed that the name of this bar was the Carousel.

PCI stated that he has not seen RUBY since 1960. Be characterized RUBYRUBY asas a very nervous individual who was constantly on the move, "glad handing" everyone he saw. RUBY was a very perionable individual and had friends everywhere. He was big-hearted and if he liked you, would do anything for you. PCI said that hehe waswas notnot awareaware thatthat RUBYRUBY had any connec- tions with the hoodlum element in Chicago or Dallas and had never observed him with a gun in his possession. .PCI stated that although RUBY was extremely nervous he had never exhibited any particular patriotic feelings and had not discussed politics with the PCI.

PCI was unable to offer any explanation for the actions of RUBY in connection with the slaying of OSWALD. PCI said he did not know OSWALD and had never heardheard RUBY refer to an individual by this name. PCIPCI addedadded thatthat hehe diddid notnot knowknow ifif RUBYRUBY hadhad . ..any any friendsfriends or contacts on the Dallas Police Department.

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JACK L. RUBY claimed first heard name of LEE HARVEY OSWALD following OSWALD'.OSWALD's arrest, Dallas, 11/22/63; denied knowing or ever seeing OSWALD until evening, 11/22/63, at Dallas Police Department. RUBY advised on Sunday morning, 11/24/63, while en route to Western Union Office, observed numbers of people around both County Building and building housing Dallas PD. After sending money order, walked on Main St. to ramp into basement; as he approached, police vehicle exited, officer on duty stepped to curb away from ramp and looked into the police vehicle.vehicle. AtAt aboutabout time officer stooped to look into vehicle, RUBY reached ramp opening and, without breaking stride, walked down ramp into base- ment. RUBY denied having press card or any other kind of identification on outside of his coat as he entered; claimedclaimed did not exhibit any kind Of identification to anyone to gain entrance to basement; stated no police officerofficer assistedassisted him in any way, did or said anything to suggest he shoot OSWALD. RUBY furnished additional background information concerning himself. Officer ROY EUGENE VAUGHN, on inter! view,denied observing any individual walk down ramp from Main St. other than duly authorized persons. NAPOLEON J.J. DANIELS, formerformer police.police officer,officer, claimedclaimed aa manman walkedwalked paStpast Officer VAUGHN and down Main St. ramp shortly before OSWALD shot. EVA GRANT said whereabouts of. het former husband,husband, FRANK GRANT, unknown to her, but heard rumor years ago be VWwas dead.dead. Friends,Friends, associates,associates, acquaintancesacquaintances andand former

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Synopsis (cont'd) employees furnished information as to their knowledge of RUBY's background and activities. No information developed to substantiate allegations that RUBY "picked up tab" for large party of police officers at his Carousel Club; that RUBY was co-signer on loans obtained at Dallas banks by Dallas PD officers. Mexican immigration records fail to reflect RUBY entered Mexico, 9/25/63 through 10/3/63. Addi- tional information concerning RUBY'.RUBY's movements during perti- nent period set out. Admitted acquaintances of OSWALD state have no knowledge of OSWALD - RUBY connection. Persons who sent congratulatory letters to RUBY did so due to overindul- gence in alcohol or emotional impulse. - P - DETAILS: DL 44-1639 TABLE OF CONTENTS

Pte= Interview of JACK L. RUBY 2 - 17

Prosecutive Action Against JACK L. RUBY 18 - 19 Interviews of Dallas Police Personnel 20 - 26 Dallas Police Department Investigation 27 - 34 News Media Interviews 35 - 42 Interview RUBY's Sister, EVAEVA GRANT 43 RUBY's Friends, Associates, Acquaintances, Chicago Area .44 - 47 RUBY's Friends, Associates, Acquaintances, Dallas Area 48 - 123 RUBY's Friends, Associates, Acquaintances, Other Areas 124 - 136 Might Clubs, Dallas Sovereign Club, Carousel, Vegas Club 137 - 159 Night Clubs, Dallas Employees, Musicians, Strip Teasers,etc. 160-219 Bank Record Information 220 - 233 Neighborhood Inquiry 234 - 235 Miscellaneous 236 - 316 Travel of RUBY 317 - 318 i DL 44-1639 TABLE OF CONTENTS PAGE NO.

RUBY'. Movements, Pertinent Period .319 - 339 Telephone and Western Union Checks Re JACK L. RUBY 340 - 350 RUBY'.RUBY's Union Activities 351 - 352 Allegations of Association Between JACK L. RUBY & LEE HARVEY OSWALD 353 - 386 ReintervieWs Re Ruby of Persons Who Knew OSWALD 387 - 402 Congratulatory Messages to RUBY 403 -- 446446

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Aakin, Irving 315 386 Abt, Att. John •■ - 386 Adams, Dorothea Nell (Mrs.) 235 Akerman, D. Gene 72T Akin, Henry D. 327 Aksionov, Nicolai (Col.) 354 Alcano, Irving 73 Alden, George 128 Alexander, Alice 310 Alexander, Guy (Mrs.) 194 Alexander, William 220 Amos, Cub 304 Anzorena, Eugenio De 317, 318 Armstrong, Andrew TITTYTT Arnett, George C. (Lt.) 77rTfr Ashby, Gay 236 Atkins, Russell UT Aycock, Charles Seymour 1.4,11411 Aycox, James 42.7.42.7. i .04 .,. B ciP l.Vi' ,0 7 • n0 Baker, Billy James 166 Baker, J. B. (Rev.) —gr Baker, SamuelSamuel B..B.:- 237, 238 Baker, Samuel Bailey 7-517 Bank of Services t6 Trusts 21427 Bank Records . 7Y7 T, 225 Barclay, MikeMike . ra777 Bargas, Tommie .. 388 Harker,Barker, :WillieWillie . - 727777 Barnett, Ben 0. . '.- ?, 137 Barnett, WelcomeWelcome EugeneEugene' 777 Barr., C.andy.rCgndy4------— — . --— --... -249 249 ------raut faAIs . Se SS-4 T!:1%7- ,4. F..F.:.:Ast11.'1..tst'..“.•- . , •I:ii ?:a:... 1.14:4 . i, .. t(of.7(of: .* ji4r47. .3'es', ..., F 7T17. : -

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(B Cont.) Barrett, Harlan R. 313, 314 Barrett, Robert M. (SA) 358 Barron, Frank (Mrs.) 'TT Bates, B. A. (Jr.) 325 Beale, Betty 306, 307 Beayse, Donald 442 Beck, Eddie 248 Bell, Bonnie H. 322 Bell, Luvesta Alfred 161 Belli, Melvin --2. Benedict, Ed 323 Bennett, Karen 330, 346 Bennett (Mr.) 127 Bernet, Edward Nelson 164, 190 Berry, Gaille 193 "Bill" -74" Birch,MgrBirch,177717- 239 Birch, Frances (Mrs.) 77 Birch, James R. (Mrs.) 11T, 240 Birch, Jane ITg713 ' Birdie Mae 404 Black, RobertRobert-9977 327 Blackman, Roger 164 Blackmar,Blackmer, Roger 164 Blake, Sue WY Blanton, W. G. 246 Blumenfield, Isadore 133 Bobby (LNU) 366 Bolton, A. G. (SR.). 363 Bolton, Beverly 363 Bolton, Glenn 363 Bookhout, James W. (SA) 359 Bostick, Harvey Davis 326 Bostick, Norma Jean 326 Boston, Tom 241

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BOURLAND, JAMES B..8. 52 BOYNTON, DONELDA KAY 373, 374374 BRADLEY, JACK 298.. BRANCH, JOHN HENRY 165 BRANHAM, GRAHAMGRAHAM M..C. I3Er313 BRANHAM, R. C. I3IrI38 BRAUNER, VICKIE 298 297 BRENDA 1 BRIEGLE, JOE 352 'BROWN, HUBERT L. 290 BROWN, JOE B. 18 4 BRODY; SAM 2 BRUCE, SHIRLEY 242, 243* BUCHHEIT, PAT 23T BUCHHEIT, PATSY 233233' BURCHAM, LEON 403 BURLESON, PHIL lir1ST BUSBY, J.J. 13;B. 168 BUSBY, RQSEROSE .168 BUTTON, Mrs. D.D. C.C. ,258,256 --r' C CAIN, ROBERT NEWTON 404, 405 CALDWELL, MARGARET CALHOUN, RED ' li; CAREECARME & PAUL Comedy Team 186 CARMELLA - 277, 278 CARROLL, JAMES L. MT CARSON, JAMES A. 3215 CARTER, BETTY 167 CARTER, BETTY JEAN 167167' CARTER, MissNies INGRID 231 DL. 44-1639

NAME PAGE (C Cont.) CARTER,.JAMES L. 139, 140 CARTER, Mrs. JAMES L. TO' CARTER, PATSY T39' CASEY, EARLL J.J. 304' CASTRO, DOLORES 297 CASTRO, JESSIE 297 CASTRO, Mrs. JESSIE C. 297 CASTRO, PAULINE 297 CASTRO, REVELLA 297 CENDOSE, BARBARA 2444, 245 CENDOSE, MELODIE ZIT, 245 CERCEO, AL Vir CHAMBLESS, ELAINEELAINE 168 CHAMBLESS, GINGER ELAINE 168 CHAMBLESS, JOHNJOHN MT CHANEY, 9 CHASM, ROBT. B. 406, 407 CHEEK, BERTHA 326 CHOULOS, WILLIAM 2 CHUMLEY, JAMESJAMES DONALD 169 CLARK, RICHARD L. 212 CLARK, WILLIAM B. 122 CLEMENTS, MANNING C. (SA) 360 COATS, STEWART 298 COLE, JACK S. 158 COLEMAN, Mrs. MATTIE 369 CONNORS, (FliU)(FRU) 3 COOKE, LEON 352 COPELAND, WILLIAM NOEL 54 CORNELIUS, DORAN 247 DL 44-1639 - -as* NAME PAGE (C Cont . ) CORNWALL, Lt. Lt. FRANK FRANK I. I. 201 CORRIGANCORRIGAN, L., L. F.F. 232 COWAN, (FNU)(FEU) 122 • COWARTCOWART, TOM, TOM 8. 8. (Mrs.)(Mrs . ) na2L13. COWPERTHWAITECOWPERTHWAITE, ,PAUL PAUL LL. . ng,3U, 408 CRABBE,CRABBE , IIH. . ZE. . 223 CRADDOCK, GLADYS 4 CRAFARDCRAFARD, , CURTCURTIS IS LALA VERNEVERNE 368 CRAIG, W. O. 129, 130 CRAIG, WWINNIE INNIS 71-44.. CROZIER, Mrs. MARIE MARIE 73g33W CULLUM,CULLUM , GORDONGORDON F. 371337fr CURRIER, Mr. JOSEPH WYTO CURRY, JESSEJESSE EE. . 21M,ItY5, CURTIS, Mr.Mr. OMAR OMAR 3134"3114"

DAMON,DAMON , GERRYGERRY 157, 158, 170 DANIELS, NAPOLEONNAPOLEON J. J. 0 .414,li DAVIS, E.N. JULIANJULIAN Jr.Jr. 312 DEAVENPORT,DE AVENPORT , BARRY HERBERTHERBERT JAMES .§fiAk DE GRAFFENREDGRAFFENRED, , Mr. FLOYDFLOYD G. 384 DE LACY,LACY, WWILLARD ILLARD P.P. 327 DEWEY,DEWEY , CARLCARL C.C. 409 DICKIMS,DICKIES, TERRYTERRY 227 DIETRICH,DIETRICH , NORBERTNORBERT W.W. 410 DOBKINS,DOBK INS , MAJORMAJOR YTS320 DODGE, CLAYTONCLAYTON T. 411 DOLAN,DOLAN , JEROMEJEROME P.P. 1WIn DON (LNU) 157, 158158,..., 170 DORFMAN,DORFMAN ,PAUL PAUL J. J. 351, DORRIS,DORA IS , JACKJACK 275273. DL 44-1639

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12/25/63 .1.1 Date JACK L. RUBY was interviewed in an interview room .located on floor 6-M e Dallas County Jail, Dallas, Texas. His Attorneys, MELVIMELVI BELLI,BELLI, SanSan Francisco,Francisco, California;California; A ,JOE,JOE"" ONAHIL Jasper,Jasper, Texas; Texas; SAM74RODY, SAM74RODY, LosLos Angeles,Angeles, California,California, *v.V.,S5- andand WILLIAIWILLIAl tHOULOS,VHOULOS, SanSan Francisco,Francisco, California,California, werewere present. "/". TheThe interview interview commenced commenced at at 1:50 1:50 PMPM andand continuedcontinued untiluntil 3:303:30 PM, . when RUBY ventwent to the rest room. It was resumed again at 3:34 PM and continued until 6:00 PM. • JACK L. RUBY was advised by SA C. RAY HALL that he did not have to make any statement. He was reminded that his attorneys were present, and that any statements he made in answers to questions couldcould bebe usedused againstagainst himhim inin aa courtcourt ofof law.law. '-— JACK L.L. RUBYRUBY then furnished the following information:

, •• • •S. S. On the night of Wednesday, November 20, 1963, he was at his club, the Carousel Club, in Dallas, Texas. He thinks he closed ,t the club at about 2:00 AM on November 21, 1963. One of his dancers, called "LITTLE LYNN", drank some champagne before closing, and when she started home she got sick and passed out at Nichols Brothers parking garage near his club. He thinks this occurred after • 2:00 AM on November 21, 1963, but it could have been after 2:00 AMAN on November 20, 1963. He went over to see about her, and tried to get her to go to a hospital, but she refused to go. ■. He remained with her, trying to take care of her, until 4:00 AM or 5:00 AM and then went home, so far as he can now recall. After he got home, he went to bed and went to sleep. 1/11 ,. rt T ✣✎ At aboutabout 10:3010:30 AMAM oror 11:0011:00 AM AM on on November NovemblOt 21,im 63, he received a telephonetelephone callcall atat homehome fromfrom aa girlgirl nameciname LL, whose first name may be CONNIE, or something similar. He met this girl at the Carousel Club about tight months previously, and since meeting her she has called him on the telephone several times. The TRAMMELL girl lives in an apartment on either Gaston Avenue or • Live. Oak Street in Dallas. When she called him on November 21, 1963, she told him that she had to get a job and that she had an appointment with LAMAR HUNT. He asked her how she got an appointment with HUNT, and she told him thatthat sheshe calledcalled HUNT'sHUNT'. home and got his number, then just called his office and asked him for an appointment about a job.

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'We decrementdecrement treatable treatable isettber isettber reeciamermletiess reeciamermletiess mar mar esrockelese esrockelese el the el tb.rat. rat. lele thethe propertyproperty el theibe le ; ca eeessei it end its eeateeto ere me tele b• distributed outside year Neese. DL 44-163944-1639 2, • •• .- TRAMMELL asked RUBY to to come come after after her her and and give give Mrher a a ride downtown,downtown, sb so hehe gotgot dressed,dressed, pickedpicked herher upup andand drovedrove herher downtown. RUBY RUBY had had an anappointment appointment with with his his attorney attorney butbut doesdoss `1. not remember remember whether whether it was it GRAHAM was GRAHAM KOCH KOCH or STANLEYor STANLEY KAUFMAN. KAUFMAN. . Both attorneysattorneys have have offices offices in thethe MercantileMercantile Securities Building, Dallas,Dallas, the the same same building building in whichin which LAMAR LAMAR HUNT HUNT has has hishis offices.- •TRAMMELL TRAMMELL went went -up to-seeto-see LAMAR LAMAR HUNTHUNT andand after RUBY RUBY completed his his business with hishis attorneyattorney regardingregarding somesome fax matters, he waitedwaited around the the cigar cigar standstand in in thethe lobby forfor aa while forfor TRAHnLLTRAMnLL to tocone come down, down, but but she she. did did not, not, so so he he left left andand went toto thethe CarouselCarousel Club. WhenWhen he he got got to to the the club,club, one of .hishis employees namednamed LARRYLARRY was was there. there. LARRY was was a younga young boy boy whom whom he hehad had seen seen at at the the StateState Fair ofof Texas,Texas, and and he he gave gave LARRY LARRY a ajob job atat thethe CarouselCarousel ClubClub after thethe fairfair closed. closed. He He had had asked asked LARRY LARRY to to buildbuild aa crate so hehe couldcould ship ship a doga dog to toa friend a friend of RUBY's, of RUBY's, AL GRUBER,AL GRUBER, whowho lives on on Olympic Olympic StreetStreet in in Los Los Angeles, Angeles, California. California. LARRY LARRY hadhad not builtbuilt the crate, soso hehe got after himhim forfor notnot havinghaving donedone what hehe hadhad askedasked him him to to do.do. So far asas hehe remembers, remembers, he stayedstayed around thethe CarouselCarousel ClubClub'until until about about 9:30 9:30 PM, PM, when when he he and and RALPH RALPH PAUL, who who owns owns part part of of the the Carousel Carousel Club, Club, wentwent toto the EgyptianEgyptian Lounge for for dinner. While theythey were eating atat the the Egyptian Egyptian Lounge, Lounge, aa man man named CONNORS,CONNORS, who.is who.is aa salesmansalesman forfor the the Dallas Dallas Morning Morning News News newspaper, came came over over to to thethe table andand invitedinvited RUBY RUBY over over to to the Castaway Club Club located located nearby. nearby. He He declined declined the the invitationinvitation becausebecause he did notnot wantwant toto gogo toto thisthis club club as as the the manager manager hadhad hiredhired anan orchestra awayaway fromfrom RUBY that that had had played played for for RUBY for for several several years.years. After•dinner, RUBYRUBY returned returned to to thethe CarouselCarousel Club. DuringDuring the evening of NovemberNovember 21, 21, 1963,1963, he diddid thethe breaks breaks betweenbetween shows,shows, which werewere twotwo breaks breaks of of twenty minutesminutes each,each, and he used a roulette wheelwheel to givegive.away. away prizesprizes toto thethe audience. audience. Sometime Sometime during thethe evening,evening, hehe orderedordered someonesomeone out out ofof the clubclub becausebecause he was creating .•aa disturbance,disturbance, but he has nono ideaidea whowho thisthis personperson was. HeHe believes hehe closedclosed the the Carousel Carousel Club Club at at about about 2:00 2:00 AM AM onon November 22, 22, 1963, 1963, andand wentwent home.home. If If he wentwent anywhere to to eat before goinggoing home,home, hehe ditss•dqss'not not rememberremember it. it. HeHe doesdoes notnot nownow remember whetherwhether GEORGRIZENATOR,GEORGRIBENATOR, who whoshares shares the the apartment apartment withwith RUBY, was was at at home home when when he hearrived arrived there there or or not, not, butbut hehe wentwent directly toto bed bed and and wentwent toto sleep."7sleep."7, • •07.So7J

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On the morning of November 22, 1963, RUBY got up at about 9:30 AM and does not now recall.whether GEORGE SENATOR was in the apartment or not. He drove downtown and stopped at the • Dallas Morning News at about 10:50 AM. He believes he stopped: for a moment and talked to two girls employed there, GLADYS CRADDOCK and a girl named CONNALLYCONNELLY or CONNELL. He thinks behe gave them a bottle of Larson's CRD, a food supplementpfor.persons on a diet. He then went to the office of TOWZ6PPI, but TONY was not there. RUBY looked over a brochure there about BILWTEMAR, a master of ceremonies at the Carousel Club. Another employee of the news- paperpaper, aa Mr.Mr. PAYNE,PAYNE, maymay havehave beenbeen inin ZOPPI'sZOPPI's officeoffice whilewhile RUBY was in there.

dr' RUBY left that office and went to Mr. JOHN'INEWNAM's office at the newspaper to talk about RUBY's ads. RUBY was trying to make a 12:00 noon deadline. Mr. CONNORS, the same person RUBY had seen at the Egyptian Lounge the previous evening, came in to NEWNAM's office, and they talked for a while. NEWNAM came in, and RUBY completed his advertisements for his clubs. At about that time, people began running around, and RUBY heard someone say that somebody had been shot. First, he heard that Governor CONNALLY had been shot, then a Secret -1 .e Service Agent, and then someone said that "our owed President has been shot". RUBY then called his sister, EVA' T, and told her about the shooting and told her he would be at her house as soon as he could. He left the Dallas Morning News but does not know the time when he leftleft.. He drove to the Carousel Club and told his 1 4 employee, ANDVAARMSTRONG,ANDYAARMSTRONG, to get in touch with everybody and tell

• 0 them he was closing his clubs. He then called a friend, ALICE - NICHOLS, and she toldjlimthat Neiman-Marcus had closed their store. HeHe calledcalled AlleGRUBERAVDRUBER in in Los Los AngelesAngeles fromfrom thethe CarouselCarousel Club and told GRUBER he would send a dog to him soon. RUBY said he talked to GRUBER about the death of President KENNEDY but began crying and finally just told GRUBER he had to break it off and hung up the telephone. ("4 rr Somebody brought some merchandise to the club, but he P:x does not remember who it was and RUBY just told the man to take the merchandise back.asback as he did not want any. He called his sister several times during the afternoon and was so upset that he was belligerent toward his employees, ANDY and LARRY, who were aT74,',mT74,', the CarouselC4rousel Club.Club. HeHe remembersremembers gettinggetting aa telephonetelephone callall from iKATHWiKATHY"-KAY; he calledcalled hishis business'business associate,associate, RAL AUL, and told 'PAUL-PAUL that he was going to close his clubs; he called BRECNBRECX-VALLLVALL_ "Ay in Galveston, and also JOE PETERSON; and he called his sister EILEEN in Chicago, locating her at his sister MARIAN's house. DL 44-1639 4

Sometime late that afternoon, he left the Carousel Club and went to the Ritz Delicatessen and bought a.lot_of.fooda.lot_of food • - and then went to the home of his sister in Dallas, EVA GRANT. He and his sister talked and while there, his employee, ANDY, called iJr/vendivand told him that DOtelAFRAN, of the lasDal Times _Herald,.Herald, had called and wanted toto getget inin touchtouch withwith him.him. RUBYRUBY thenthen called SAFRAN, who told RUBY that the Cabana and the Century Room were going to close and he did not know what ABE and BARNEY WEINSTEIN were going to do. , RUBY said he told SAFRAN that he had already closed, without ening what the other club owners were doing. SAFRAN then asked RUBY about whether he would be open the next night, and RUBY said he did not know but would call him back. In a few minutes RUBY called SAFRAN back and told him he was going to be closed Saturday andand SundaySunday nights,nights, in addition to • Friday night.

At no time did RUBY go to Parkland Hospital on November 22, 1963. At about 7:00 PM or 8:00 PM, he left his sister's home and drove to his apartment to get dressed to go to Congregation Shearith Israel Synagogue, arriving there at about 10:00 PM or 10:30 PM. Before he left his apartment, he called Dr. COLEMAN JACOBSON to determine when the services began 4 at his Synagogue. Following services, refreshments were served, but he did not feel like visiting with anyone. He stayed there for a short time, then drove toward downtown. He passed the Club BaliHai,Bali Hai,noticing noticing that it was open, and then drove by the Gay Life Club and saw that it was closed. He then drove on to Phil's Delicatessen and went in and talked to the owner, PHIL MILLER. He had read in the newspaper, or heard over the radio, that the police officers in the Homicide Bureau would be working overtime that night, so he ordered ten sandwiches and decided he would take them something to eat. After he ordered the sandwiches, he Called the Police Department Homicide Bureau and talked to Detective -SIMS, telling him - he - was -getting - some - sandwiches and would bring - them-down -for- them:them; - SIMSSIMS toldtold -him - they werewere-about- about through-and-were -winding - up things- there and did-not- want any- thing to eat.eat. -AfterAfter SIMSSIMS toldtold him -thati - he - decided he would take'the sandwiches -to - the employees - at KLIF Radio - Station..Station: _ He - explained - that - he. has - known -GO RD0114 'MC LENDON,-ownerLENDON,•owner ...'f. of the radio - station, - forfor- a number - of- years,- and - he - also'knows RUgS"cKNIGHT, aa diskdisk jockeyjockey atat thethe station.station. The The employees employees at---th:e at--tife DL 44-1639 5 radio station have been good aboutgiving him free plugs when he was trying to get started with his clubs, and he just wanted to do something for them because he knew they would be working late. He called GORDON MC LENDON's home, from Phil's Delicatessen, in order to get a number at the radio station so he could talk to the men on duty there. The daughter gave him a number, and he told her he was going to take some sandwiches to the radio station, but the daughter told him her mother had already sent some food up there.there. RUBYRUBY calledcalled thethe numbernumber hehe hadhad gotten,gotten, but it was a wrong number. He picked up his sandwiches and discovered they had made only eight, when he ordered ten. He drank a soft drink, then left with his sandwiches and drove downtown, driving up Commerce Street and parking across from the City Hall. He decided to go to the Police Department to try to locate some newsmen from KLIF in order to obtain the unlisted phone number for the radio station. He went to the third floor of the Police Department, where the if newsmen were gathered. As he got off the elevator, a policeman, who was not known to RUBY, asked him where he was going, or whom he wanted to see.see. RUBYRUBY toldtold himhim hehe waswas lookinglooking forfor JOEJOE DELONG, of KLIF, and the officer let him go on inside. He looked around for a while, without seeing anyone from KLIF, and asked some unknown police officer to have JOE DELONG paged overover thethe loud- speaker. DELONG did not answer the page, but while he was waiting he saw Captain FRITZ, of the Police Department, come out of his ;.•;.• office with a person, OSWALD. RUBY heard a reporter tell FRITZ that this was not a good place, so FRITZ went back inside his • office with OSWALD. In a minute, RUBY heard some newsmen say something about the basement, so he went down there to an assembly room where some newsmen were. When he saw OSWALD here, this was the first time that he had ever seen him. He had never heard the name of LEE HARVEY OSWALD before OSWALD's arrest on November 22, 1963, by the Dallas Police Department. Any rumors that OSWALD was ever at any of RUBY's clubs clubs are wrong because RUBY had never seen LEELEE HARVEY.HARVEY• OSWALD at any place before he saw him with Captain FRITZ at the Dallas Police Department the night of November 22, 1963. Any rumors that OSWALD was at the Carousel Club are absolutely untrue. RUBY has since heard reports that his master of ceremonies at the Carousel Club, BILL DEMAR, has reported that OSWALD was at Carousel Club one night before President KENNEDY was assaskinated. 1 ; t I.

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RUBY said that this is absolutely false, because OSWALD was never there. RUBY has heard that ED SULLIVAN got in touch.With BILL DEMAR and wanted DEMAR on SULLIVAN'.SULLIVAN's television program,.but SULLIVAN did not believe DEHAR'sDEMAR's story and would not use him. RUBY-further advised that-newspaperthat..newspaper reports that RUBY and OSWALD were seen together in Waco, Texas, are complete falsehoods because he was never with OSWALD anywhere. Reports that OSWALD was going to RUBY's apartment after President KENNEDY'.KENNEDY', death are absoo lutely false! because OSWALD did not know RUBY, RUBY has never had any previous connection with OSWALD, and OSWALD could not have been going to RUBY'.RUBY'S apartment. RUBY said that his employee, ANDY.ARMSTRONG, knows more about RUBY's club and RUBY'sRUBY'. morals than anyone else, and ANDY can tell anyone that OSWALD was never in the Carousel Club. When RUBY got to the assembly room, he went to the back of the room and stood on top of a table, so he could see and be out of the way. In a few minutes; HENRY WADE, the District Attorney, and Captain FRITZFRITZ came into the assembly room with -OSWALD for an interview with the press. OSWALD mumbled or talked a little, but the newsmen could not hear him. RUBY did not hear OSWALD either. After aa shortshort time,time, CaptainCaptain FRITZFRITZ took OSWALD away. HENRY WADE was then interviewed by the newsmen. RUBY said that he had his revolver in his right front trouser pocket all during this evening, November.22 and 23, 1963, except when he went to church services. He left the revolver in his car while he was in church but put it back in his right trouser pocket when he got back to his car. He said he carried his gun because he had a lot of - money.- on.- his person and always carried his gun when he carried money. After the interview with WADE, RUBY left the assembly room and was out in the corridor. A newsman came by whom RUBY did not know, and RUBY asked him if he had seen JOE DELONG, of KLIF. This man said he had not seen DELONG, and RUBY mentioned that he had some sandwiches for KLIF. This man said he was from KBOX radio and asked RUBY what was the matter with them..them. - RUBYRUBY said he told the man that next time maybe, but this-Tiie he had the sandwiches forfor KLIF. This This man. man. from from KBOXKBOX thenthen gavegave RUBYRUBY the unlisted phone numbernumber forfor KLIF.KLIF. RUBYRUBY wentwent aroundaround behindbehind the counter inin thethe basementbasement officesoffices of of the the Police Police Department Department and-NA-v.: and- telephoned KLIF, talkingtalking toto an employee named KEN. He told KEN he had some sandwiches but could not get in the entrance door toto thethe radioradio station.station. AtAt aboutabout that time, HENRY WADE walked by, and RUBY was still talking to .KEN so he asked KEN if he wanted- to talk to HENRY WADE. KEN said he did, so RUBY called • •

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RUBY said he then left the Police Department building, went to his car and drove over to Radio Station KLIF. He got the sandwiches out of his car to take them upstairs, but the • front door was locked. In about ten or fifteen minutes, RUSS • KNIGHT came by and let him inside. They all went upstairs, and the employees on duty ate the sandwiches. RUBY left Radio Station KLIF at about 3:00 AM on November 23, 1963, and drove to the Dallas Times Herald newspaper building:building; He went inside and talked to an employee named PAT GADOSH and gave PAT a twist - board, an exerciser. GADOSH is the person at the newspaper who takes RUBY°sRUBY's ads for his clubs. ✩❆ He talked with GADOS ••ut tthehe advertisement in the Dallas Horning News, by BERNAR EI MAN, that was critical of President KENNEDY. GADOSH tol• RUBY not to worry about the ad, because the Dallas HorningMorning News was suffering enough for carrying such an ad. RUBY got his ad taken care of and drove toward home.

;While driving home, RUBY thought of the similarity between the BERNARD WEISSMAN advertisement and.a sign he had seen which read, "Impeach EARL WARREN". He drove home and awakened GEORGE SENATOR and asked SENATOR to go with him. He called the Carousel Club and awakened his employee, LARRY, and . asked.asked LARRYLARRY ifif hehe knewknew howhow toto operateoperate aa PolaroidPolaroid camera.camera. LARRY . - saidsaid hehe couldcould operateoperate thethe camera,camera, soso hehe told LARRY he would be __down___down.to to pickpick upup LARRYLARRY andand thethe camera.camera. RUBYRUBY andand SENATORSENATOR then drove to the Carousel Club sometime about 4:00 or 5:00 AM on : November 23, 1963, and picked up LARRY and the camera. They -1kI -drove to Central Expressway and Ross Avenue, whore-they found 4. a a sign,sign, aboutabout 22 feet by 44 feet, on top of a Potter Steel Company sign, which read "Impeach EARL WARREN", and at the bottom of-this sign -vaswas-"Box."-Box 1757, Beltham, Mass." •They took some photographs of this sign, and RUBY then . remembered that the BERNARD WEISSMAN ad had the address "Box 1792, . „ •Dallas, Texas", so they drove to the Main Post Office in Dallas - andand lookedlooked atat PostPost OfficeOffice BoxBox 1792.1792. RUBYRUBY askedasked aa manman onon du0,..itduXy_st -- -the post office for the name of the man who had Post Office Box - -- 11792, but- the man told•himtold- him he could not give RUBY the name of -- rT---. j4the the boxbox holder:holder: • ,TheyThey -leftleft andand wentwent toto thethe.Southland-Hotel