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Seanad Éireann Vol. 205 Wednesday, No. 10 10 November 2010 DÍOSPÓIREACHTAÍ PARLAIMINTE PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES SEANAD ÉIREANN TUAIRISC OIFIGIÚIL—Neamhcheartaithe (OFFICIAL REPORT—Unrevised) Wednesday, 10 November 2010. Business of Seanad ………………………………569 Order of Business …………………………………569 Visit of United Kingdom Delegation …………………………586 Order of Business (resumed)……………………………586 Effects of Recession on Mental Health: Statements ……………………587 EU Directive on Temporary Agency Work: Statements …………………611 National Housing Development Survey: Motion………………………625 Adjournment Matters: Fisheries Protection ………………………………649 Sports Policy …………………………………651 Flood Relief …………………………………653 SEANAD ÉIREANN ———— Dé Céadaoin, 10 Samhain 2010. Wednesday, 10 November 2010. ———— Chuaigh an Cathaoirleach i gceannas ar 10.30 a.m. ———— Paidir. Prayer. ———— Business of Seanad An Cathaoirleach: I have received notice from Senator Denis O’Donovan that, on the motion for the Adjournment of the House today, he proposes to raise the following matter: The need for the Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food to confirm that the Garnish traditional mackerel fishing industry in Castletownbere, County Cork will be protected and that it will be guaranteed a quota in the future. I have also received notice from Senator Cecelia Keaveney of the following matter: The need for the Minister for Tourism, Culture and Sport to ensure Ireland signs the Council of Europe enlarged partial agreement on sport. I have also received notice from Senator Jerry Buttimer of the following matter: The need for the Minister for Finance to make a statement on the contract for the lower River Lee flood risk management scheme. I regard the matters raised by the Senators as suitable for discussion on the Adjournment and they will be taken at the conclusion of business. Order of Business Senator Donie Cassidy: The Order of Business is No. 1, statements on the effects of recession on mental health, to be taken at the conclusion of the Order of Business and conclude not later than 2 p.m., if not previously concluded, on which spokespersons may speak for ten minutes and all other Senators for eight minutes and Senators may share time, by agreement of the House, with the Minister to be called upon ten minutes before the conclusion of the debate for closing comments and to take questions from leaders or spokespersons; No. 2, statements on the EU temporary agency work directive, to be taken at 3.30 p.m. and conclude not later than 5 p.m., on which spokespersons may speak for 12 minutes and all other Senators for eight minutes and Senators may share time, by agreement of the House, with the Minister to be called upon to reply five minutes before the conclusion of the debate; and No. 33, Private Members’ business, motion No. 17 on the national housing development survey, to be taken at 5 p.m. and conclude not later than 7 p.m. The business of the House will be interrupted between 2 p.m. and 3.30 p.m. 569 Order of 10 November 2010. Business Senator Frances Fitzgerald: In the run-up to the budget we have heard a lot about how we protect the elderly and the services the country provides for them. That is critical and it acquires a particular significance given the shortage of resources. It is not just about making decisions at election time; it also concerns how the State reacts in providing services for the elderly on an ongoing basis. They lead letter in The Irish Times today is from Professor Desmond O’Neill who works with the elderly and chaired the Government’s working group on the report, Pro- tecting Our Future. He makes a point relevant to the financial crisis. During the period in which he chaired the group he repeatedly asked financial institutions and the Department of Finance to provide a member of staff to be part of the group, but the Government continually refused. He says the country has failed to stay on top of the financial abuse of older people by financial institutions. He is extraordinarily disappointed and the group disbanded not having received a proper response from the financial institutions to a topic of major national and international significance. The financial abuse of elderly people by financial institutions is a major issue. It is extremely disappointing that the report of the Ombudsman makes the same point about how the elderly have been treated by the State. I wish to move an amendment to the Order of Business, that the Minister would come to the House to discuss the report, because it raises very important issues about the role of the Ombudsman who says no Ombudsman has ever been treated the way she has been treated by the Department of Health and Children and the Minister. Those who saw the “Prime Time” programme last night will have seen what she had to say about the matter. If one goes through the summary of the report, it is an indictment of Government policy and the way her role has been dealt with. It raises the most serious issues. That is not to say we are not in a crisis in terms of funding services for the elderly; we are. It is an indictment of Government if it cannot tolerate an independent person examining the situation, reporting it and raising questions. We have reached quite an extraordinary situation in terms of independent reports and the attitude of the Government to them. I want the Mini- ster to come to the House today in order that we can have a discussion on the report and the wider issues it raises about nursing home care for the elderly. More than 1,000 complaints were received, albeit over a 25-year period. The report raises the most serious issues about how we approach residential care for the elderly in this country, the kind of decisions that have been taken and the inequities that were built into those decisions. Senator Joe O’Toole: This is a very important week in European history. In most of the countries of western Europe there is a remarkable memory spreagtha on 11 November each year. I made this point some years ago in the Seanad and I raise it again. We in this House showed a lot of support for the Shot at Dawn campaign. We have shown a lot of support over the years for what has happened in our history. Many Irish people went to fight in the Great War, the First World War. Some of them went to fight because they believed in what was being protected and what needed to be protected. Others went to put bread on the table for their families. Still others went because they were inspired by the political leadership at the time which asked them to do so. Some great people such as Tom Kettle and others laid down their lives on that occasion. We have been afraid to remember or deal with that. In effect, we have eradicated and erased them from our history and folk memory. We have been remiss at all times and in total denial. I do not suggest that we buy in to the Poppy Day in Britain but if we do not do that, I suggest we should have a poppy of our own or that we should remember in some other appro- priate fashion Irish people who died in the Great War. We should not be afraid to face up to our history and to honour people who died in a good cause. Perhaps a Minister of State with responsibility for protocol in the Department of the Taoiseach could come to the House to 570 Order of 10 November 2010. Business explain why we cannot do this and why we do not consider it important to remember those people. It is still a significant issue three or four generations later to the families of those who died at that time, as we found out during the Shot at Dawn campaign. Yesterday, I raised the Croke Park agreement. I do not completely support the points raised by my colleague, Senator Marc MacSharry, but he should be listened to on the issue. We were given a commitment a couple of weeks ago that the objectives and targets of each Department, Minister and Secretary General would be available and published. I have not seen them yet. Last week I stated that unless we have clear targets of saving €1 billion a year at least and reducing the number of jobs in the public sector by 20,000, then we are going nowhere. That target must be broken down into each Department. If I do not see that in front of me then I do not believe there is political traction or buy-in from senior civil servants. We should demand it. I ask the Leader to seek copies of those targets for Members of the House. I want to see it happening. I will have a lot more to say on the issue. Overtime in the public sector costs more than €1 billion. Halving that would result straight away in savings of €500 million. A total of 20,000 jobs at an average of €45,000 a year is almost €1 billion. It is a big ask to reduce the public service pay bill by €1 billion but it is doable. It can only be doable if we start now. The Health Service Executive was a good start. I welcomed that initiative two or three weeks ago. I indicated to Members that it would run and play as it has. More needs to be done. We should be seeing action now but it is not happening because everyone is standing back and waiting.
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