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Exclusive Ms. Mystic interview with NEAL ADAMS! February 2017 No.94 ™ $8.95 INDIE SUPERHEROES! Justice Machine • Mighty Crusaders & T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents in the ’80s Captain Paragon • Whisper Continuity’s Superheroes featuring Black, Breyfogle, Buckler, Grant, Gustovich, Isabella, Reinhold, Ordway & more Ms. Mystic © Neal Adams. All Rights Reserved. 1 82658 00066 0 Volume 1, Number 94 February 2017 EDITOR-IN-CHIEF Michael Eury PUBLISHER Comics’ Bronze Age and Beyond! John Morrow DESIGNER Rich Fowlks COVER ARTIST Neal Adams (from the collection of Shaun Clancy) COVER DESIGNER Michael Kronenberg PROOFREADER Rob Smentek SPECIAL THANKS Jason Adams Doug Murray Neal Adams Michael Netzer Brian Apthorp Luigi Novi Mark Beachum Jerry Ordway Bill Black George Pérez Jerry Boyd Bill Reinhold Norm Breyfogle Luke Ross Rich Buckler Steve Rude Shaun Clancy Walter Simonson Jon B. Cooke Daniel St. John Mike Deodato Peter Stone Mark Ellis Bryan D. Stroud Stephan Friedt Dann Thomas INTERVIEW: The Neal Adams Ms. Mystic Interview .............................2 Grand Comics Roy Thomas The superstar storyteller discusses his cover-featured creation and more Database Steven Thompson Steven Grant Aron Wiesenfeld FLASHBACK: Continuity Comics ............................................9 Martin Greim Steven Wilber An artist-packed profile of Neal Adams’ line of comic books Tom Grindberg Jay Williams Greg Guler Marv Wolfman FLASHBACK: Welcome to the (Justice) Machine ...............................23 Mike Gustovich This early indie super-team has become comics’ comeback crusaders Heritage Comics Auctions INTERVIEW: The Bill Black/Captain Paragon Interview ..........................39 Tony Isabella The esteemed and longtime artist/publisher looks back at his Sentinels of Justice (and DC’s, too) Andy Mangels Lou Manna BACKSTAGE PASS: The Mighty Crusaders ....................................49 Brian Martin Rich Buckler discusses the “Red Circle Comics” era of Archie’s superheroes Will Meugniot FLASHBACK: Lightning Does Strike Twice!: T.H.U.N.D.E.R. 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If you enjoy our publications enough to download them, please pay for BACK ISSUE™ is published 8 times a year by TwoMorrows Publishing, 10407 Bedfordtown Drive, them so we can keep producing ones like Raleigh, NC 27614. Michael Eury, Editor-in-Chief. John Morrow, Publisher. Editorial Office: BACK ISSUE, c/o this. Our digital editions should ONLY be Michael Eury, Editor-in-Chief, 118 Edgewood Avenue NE, Concord, NC 28025. Email: [email protected]. downloaded within our Apps and at Eight-issue subscriptions: $73 Economy US, $88 Expedited US, $116 International. Please send subscription www.twomorrows.com orders and funds to TwoMorrows, NOT to the editorial office. Cover art by Neal Adams. Ms. Mystic TM & © Neal Adams. All Rights Reserved. All characters are © their respective companies. All material © their creators unless otherwise noted. All editorial matter © 2017 Michael Eury and TwoMorrows Publishing. ISSN 1932-6904. Printed in China. FIRST PRINTING. Indie Superheroes Issue • BACK ISSUE • 1 TM SHAUN CLANCY: Was Ms. Mystic a character you were trying to do with any publisher prior to Pacific, or did Pacific approach you? NEAL ADAMS: No, the idea was that I was doing a portfolio of characters for Sal Quartuccio and I was sort of creating characters as I went along. Once a month, Sal would come by Shaun Clancy over to my studio, and one day I basically told him, “I can conducted in July 2015 sit down and create a character a month and he would have a history, he would have a background, he would be a and transcribed by Steven Thompson full-blown-up character.” He said, “Would you do that, and we’ll do a portfolio?” I said, “I can’t dedicate six days in a row to creating a portfolio for you.” So he said, “What if I come by, like, once a month?” And I said, “Sure! Let’s do that.” Now, maybe it wasn’t once a month. Maybe it was every couple of weeks. My memory isn’t that great. But it was something like that. So each time he came, I sat for a few minutes and I created a history, created a concept, created it in my head, and then I started to delineate it on paper so that each time I created a character, I created her background, I created what she or he was and what they were all about. Because that was the idea. The idea was not just to create a character but to give them a history, you know? Ms. Mystic, as it turned out, was a Gaia-type character, a protector of the Earth, and she could be a god… or she could be an alien, from another planet. And I was kind of messing with her history there. Was she Mother Nature? No. There was another Mother Nature that was more part of the Earth. She was more a type of guide, a kind of a god-like creature that perhaps came from another planet and actually, maybe, intended to do wrong by Earth. So there was some ambivalence there. So I thought, “Well… that’s kinda good. I like that. But what about a costume?” And I thought, “Hmmm… You know, nobody’s ever used Zip-A-Tone as a costume… or gray as a costume.” So I thought, “That’s what we’ll do! We’ll just make her a graded gray like with Zip-A-Tone.” But I was doing it in pencil so I graded her in pencil. And she was sort of protector of the Earth. Pacific was approaching me to do a comic book and I said, [laughs] basically, “Look, I really haven’t got time to do this. Maybe I’ll give it a shot.” But in the studio, there was a guy named Mike Netzer who kind of drew like me. Well, he drew exactly like me, or as much as he could. I said, “Look, y’know, I can have a guy in my studio work on this and maybe he can do it and I’ll do layouts, blocking out and all the rest of it.” I was trying to really support Pacific Comics, because I sort of had convinced Jack Kirby to work for them. [laughs] And also Sergio Aragonés to work for them. I had told them that they not only would pay them but they would let them keep the rights to their character. Early Ms. Mystic Neal’s magnificent Ms. Mystic plate from Sal Q. Productions’ New Heroes Portfolio (1979, inset). Courtesy of Heritage Comics Auctions. TM & © Neal Adams. 2 • BACK ISSUE • Indie Superheroes Issue And I walked away thinking, “That was a stupid idea!” And it actually became one of our most popular characters. [Shaun laughs] And Crazyman is, in fact, crazy! In fact, we’re going to be coming out with our characters again before long. CLANCY: We haven’t seen Ms. Mystic in 20 years. What’re the plans for her? ADAMS: Well, we haven’t seen Ms. Mystic in 20 years. We haven’t seen all those characters in 20 years. And you might like to know why. CLANCY: [laughs] Yes, I would! ADAMS: About 20 years ago, in the comic-book business, a phenomenon happened. The phenomenon was that there were all these collectors who thought, “This is a great business to invest in. We should buy craploads of comic books and store them away, wait for five or ten years and then sell ’em and make a ton of money. There are all these collectors who are doing this, so why don’t we start doing it? And so it got to be a buzz going through the collector market where these guys—and I don’t know how many there were, but there were a lot of them—were buying boxes of comic books and putting them in their garages. So books that might not have otherwise sold very well sold a million copies! Unbelievable! And this was also when Image was moving forward! My stuff—I started a project called Deathwatch 2000, and it was headed to the year 2000. And it was a three-issue series that ran across nearly all the characters. So… [laughs] We did sales of 150,000 copies per character across the board. Continuity Comics had lost money up to there. There, we made money. 150,000 copies of each character for three months, or nearly three months. The sales started to sink on the third month. But while this was going on—we were into the second month—those collectors out there decided… I dunno, one weekend… to call each other and say, “Hey. This isn’t working out. If we’re all buying all these comic books, how will they ever increase in value? The hell with it!” And they all stopped. The following Monday—I can’t tell you when it was—was a terrible time. They just stopped buying those comic books. And so these comic-book stores were left with a million comic books of a given title! [laughs] There were $2.00 comic books for 50 cents apiece out of boxes at the fronts of their stores just to get rid of ’em! 1500 stores—I am told—went out of business! Publishers went out of business.