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•• Crafard made no mention of being at the Carous41Carousel Club on the night of November *2, 1963, or engaging in a telephone conversation with anyone. Additionally, be did not talk about Ruby's emotional reaction to the news of . the President's assassination. In fact, Crafard did not discuss in Mrs. Cascaddan's presence what he, Crafard, did between the time be first learned of President Kennedy's death and his (Crafard's) departure from Dallas onon thethe following day (November 23, 1963). In Mrs. Cascaddan's opinion, CrafardCrafard exhibited an indifferent attitudeattitude toward toward thethe assassination of the President. While Crafard was visiting Mrs. Cascaddan's parents in Harrison on November 26.27, 1963, a considerable amount of of time waswas being devoted by the television networks to the assassination and its aftermath involving Ruby's murder of Lee Harvey Oswald. Mrs. Cascaddan, her parents, and her brothers spent most of their tinetime watching watching programsprograms on television pertainingpertaining toto thethe assassination.assassination. Crafard - seemed mildly interested in these programs, and spent some time upstairsupstairs readingreading conicconic books.books. ThisThis seemedseemed strangestrange to Mrs. Cascaddan.Cascaddan. SheShe thoughtthought thatthat CrafardCrafard shouldshould have had an avid,avid, continuing interest interest in this matternatter because he was a "buddy" and former employee of Ruby. In Mrs. Cascaddan's vernacular, Crafard seemed about as disturbed over the President's assassination as be would be "over killing a cat". Mrs. Cascaddan advised that neither she nor her parents could understand why Crafard departed from Dallas 'toto hitchhike backback to MichiganMichigan onon thethe day followingfollowing the assassination. Specifically,Specifically, she askedasked CrafardCrafard why he left Dallas at that time and he never answered her question. • As she recalls, ho merely shifted the conversation to another topic. Too, her parents had been unable to secure .- • an answer toto thisthis questionquestion fromfrom Crafard.Crafard. Why Why CrafardCrafard wouldwould not furnish a reason or reasons for this action is unknown to Mrs.Mrs. Cascaddan. In respect to his departure from Dallas on November''' 23, 1963, Crafard statedstated thatthat hehe diddid notnot contactcontact JackJack Ruby., - andand telltell RubyRuby hebe waswas leaving.leaving. AtAt thethe time,time, RubyRuby owedowed himbin 11. wages and Crafard did not attempt to collect them. Crafard,

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explained that be did not mention the departure to because he and Ruby were "buddies" and Ruby would not want bin to leave. Crafard did notsot discuss, even in a general way, activities which took place while hebe was hitchhiking from Texas to MichiganMichigan duringduring November,November, 1963.1963. Reliever,however, be did mention that en route hebe learned Ruby had shot and killed Lee Harvey Oswald. No doubt, Crafard was fortunate in securing rides during this trip for hebe reached Clare, Michigan, in two dam aoArspentADArspent the night at the home of his cousin, Clifford?nberte,Clifford?nberts, 2072Rast2072Rast 7th 7th Street, Street, Clare. Clare. f'. 1,.1"" At that time, Crafard's sister, Cora Belle Ingersoll, was also residing at that address. As pointed out earlier in this communication, on the following day (November 26, 1963), Crafard visited Mrs. Cascaddan and her parents in Harrison. Since November 27, 1963, Mrs. Cascaddan has had occasional contacts with Crafard, however, they have produced no additional information significant to the activities of Jack Ruby and Crafard which relate to the assassination of the President and the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald. In ss inin u•u• herher im•ressionsin muttons ofof 'thirdafard Mrs.Mrs. Cascaddan said She elaborated onon thisthis cc araara ee zaza onon • statin:statin: thatthat CrafardCrafard was was a "loner", aroun'aroun• e countrycountrr, fromiron Jo• to Job, and had no close friends or associates. Ne reportedly received an undesirable discharge from the • United States Army. Re frequently bragged of his muscular strength and his "exce ent" physique. He - claimedclaimed toto havehave anan extensiveextensive knowledgeknowledge of Judo. To support this latter claim,claim, onon occasionsoccasions hehe wouldwould useuse aa "judo"judo chop"chop" - (striking object with heel of hand while fingers are extended and hand held stiff) on the interior wall of a house to show the power of this blow. HeRe told Mrs. Cascaddan's mother - that

4 Mrs. Cascaddaa farther stated that Crafard Inawas

despite the fact that she and rotrst Cousins.sousing. AtAt times,tines, CratardCrafard said hebe that be had to pick up the Bible routrem such eocasions, he would read in aa mumbling fashionfashion andand whatwhat hehe readread couldcould notnot bebe camcm letel understood by persons listening to btu.

This interview with Ors.Mrs. CascaddanCascaddan waswas conductedconducted at her place of residence, the home of her parents, which is an unpretentious frame structure located on an unpaved street. During at least part of the interview, her mother (Esther Eaton) was present. Mrs. RatonRaton confirmed Mrs.Mrs. Cascaddan's assertion assertion thatthat Crafard seversever explainedexplained toto herher (Mrs. Eaton) oror etherother membersmembers ofof thethe RatonBaton fluidlyfamily whywhy bebe (Crafard) left Dallas the day following President Kennedy's assassination. Mrs.ire. SatanEaton observedobserved that CrafardCrafard expressedexpressed relative unconcern overover thethe assassination,assassination andand his only mention of its effects on lack Ruby was the statement that Ruby waswas "upset"'upset" andand "walked *walked around around a agreat great deal" deal" lira. Mrs. Eaton cannot recall any further information furnifurnished byby • Crafard which related toto Ruby'sRubes emotional state or activities at that time. Too,Too, sheshe notednoted thatthat CratardCrafard was ps sotmot specifically asked by herher nornor diddid hehe discussdiscuss isin her presence his activities , from thethe tinetine thatthat hehe first first learned learned of of President president Kennedy's &modes death until he departed from Dallas isOn the following day. Mrs. Gale Ann Cascaddan isIs 1717 rears of age and graduated fromfrom MorrisonMorrison CommunityCommunity Sigh ugh School,School, garrison,arrison, :- on MayMay 29,29, 1964.1964. InIn thethe latterlatter part of March 964, while attending highhigh school,school, sheshe marriedmarried RichardRichard MWCascaddan,IWCascaddan, a , resident ofof thethe HarrisonHarriman area,area, who who Is is mowmow livingliving in Lansing,IiLansVAgei pichigan,Vichigan, andand working at the Oldsmobile Motor Division, General Motors.Motors. Corporation, Corporation, isin thatthat city.city, Soon, Soon, Mrs. Mrs. CascaddanCaseaddan will move to Lansing to be with her husband. Mrs. Cascaddan is is pregnant pregnant and and expects expects her her and and is is fits five. mostbs.months. DuringSuring thethe interview,interview, sheshe manifestedmanifested aa cooperativecooperative attitude. is: Jack Taal Ruby

A confidential source,uhosource, else isis engaged inis laylav enforcement inis thethe RarrisouNarrison area,area, lied and Who oho has furnishedfurnished reliable into na the dvieeddvised that GaleGale Ann am Cascaddan married Richard U.R. Cascaddan isis March,March, 4, SheShe basbas never never beenbeen thethe subjectsubject •off police actionaction inis andad highhigh schoolschool *beshe vasvas

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June 11, 1964 ST COMM =RUCS 1 ..Mr. Mk. Belmont 1 - Mr. Rosen 1 - Mr. SalleyMalley 1 -. Mr. MoGoOranMoGotran I •*41:430 % 1 -Mr. Mr. MinesMines cVC. te, Honorable J. Lee Rankin AN General Counsel The President's Commission Commission V% 200 Maryland Avenue, northeast 0( Washington, D. C. 14 •JOja cC t. : ..••• • ' ! , \ Dear Mr. Rankin:

t 1 Refer toto mymy letter letter ofof JuneJune 9,9, 1964,1964, enclosingLI Nji a iemorandum containingcontaining the results ofof anan interviewinterview withwith Mr. Barney RossRoss onon JuneJune 4,4, 1964.1964. i.. Enclosed herewith are two copies of a memorandum V -dated-.June8, 8, 1964,1964, atat newnew YorkYork settingsetting forthforth resultsresults of dated-June I... !an'an additionaladditional contactcontact of of Mr.Mr. RossRoss withwith ourour MewHew YorkYork Office -- onos "410Alpo 8,8, 1964.1964. Mr. Paul Aaronson will be interviewed t' 'andand y4Uyou will bebe advisedadvised ofof thethe results.results. ts., 40. ••• • ...: :—...., . -.- Sincerely yours, yours, . . ..-- 1 ..,-.: coufugg sic, . `EdoL Edgarr Wowwow. . tv •41•11 r ". tri 1/4r;, 4 1 • 11 -4 Z. IA

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TO: DIRECTOR, FBI (44.24016)

SAC, NEW YORK (44.974)

SUBJECT: JACKJACK L. L. RUBYRUBY aka;aka; LEE HARVEYHARVEY OSWALD akai4ICTIN aka-VICTIM CIVIL RIGHTS (00:(00: DALLAS)

Re Bureau airtel to Dallas and -NY,NY, 6/2/64; NY airtel -toto Bureau,Bureau, 6/5/64.6/5/64. Enclosed are fivefive copies copies of ofa letterheada letterhead memorandum memorandum reflecting additionaladditional informationinformation telephonicallytelephonically furnishedfurnished by BARNEYBARNEY ROSS ROSS to to the the NYOWO on 6/4/64.6/8/64. FD 302302 being forwardedforwarded Dallas.Dallas.

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Jack L. RubyjRuby' Lee Harvey Oswald-Victim

Information FUrnishedFUrnished by BarneyBarney Ross ,..- .,:._ Concerning Jack L.L. RubyRuby BarnMarney<0,,301ey 'Rose, ,301 East 86th Street,Street, New New York,York, NewNew . Yorkss. on June 8,8,r ,, trilliptarcifilytriMpoiireaniddifIsed- iidifificid that that be recalled the'thii name name ofof PaulFaul..aronson ..aronson whowho waswas one one of ofJack Jack Ruby'sRuby's friendsfriends who also follow°f011owor and supported Barney Rosa during his early fistic career. BeRe diddid notnot knowknow Aaronaon'oAaronsonic address,address but believed that he resides on the north side of Chicago, Illinois, and his businessbusiness affiliation is unknown. BossRosa stated that hehe isto of the opinion that others of thisthis group who associated withwith. Ruby and followed Ross'sRoss's career are now deceased.deeeasad. ,.. t il I

• • Mr. Kr. Mohr (.1 Mr. caw — PRILSIDENT'SPRILSIDSNT'S COMMISSION Mr. Colleen —— ON THE lir. OwedPond — ASSASSINATION OFOF PRESIDENTPRISIDINT KEIINSOT Kr.MO. 114.4,11",41Losilli, 0..._ 200 Maryland Ave.Ave. N.E. Kr.Mr. SAILIVARKIN.SALLWASAMC Wailingeon.Waillingeon. D.C. D.C. 20002 20002 I-LIU tat ChoomsOWEN. Mr. TekylsoneTeleploone S43-1100 RICHARD "wow."RUSSELL • Kr.Mr. raiL.- Joie+JOHN SHERMANSHERMAN 000in 000in Mr. lord WALE 11000S110008 Mr.Mr..1Pretter Trotter — GERALD R.R. FORDrout We. Itesia.—Item.— JOHN J. MeCLOT KISS 1114nleg ALLEN V.W.DULLES DULLES JUN 5 Miss 11•41nies_ MissMin GoodyGelid,

Hr. J. Edgar Hoover, Director Federal Bureau of Investigation Pennsylvania Ave. & 9th St,St., N.W. LW. Washington, D.C. 20535

Dear Hr. Hoover:

As a result of deposing Ht. Sethi antor, the Commission would appreciate your obtaining full details from telephone company records of all long distance calls placed between 12:45 p.m. and 2:00 p.m., November 22, 1963 to Washington, D.C. (DI An 7-7750) (Scripps-Howard) from telephones including pay phones 'C1r_e_ located at Parkland Hospital, Dallas, Texas. Those calls would 44. have been charged to DI 7-7750.

In addition, the Commission would appreciate your review- ing television tapes and films in the possession of WFAA-TV to determine if Seth Kantor or Jack Ruby appear in pictures taken / near the main entrance of Parkland Hospital on November 22. Ht.,Mr., Kantor stated that his own television picture was seen by friends, and that he was at Parkland Hospital from 12:45 p.m. to 2:00 p.m. In preparing your report please indicate, according to the WFAA-TV r4 index, the films reviewed. O0 Sincerely, bict.

• 0 • f - ice' - •'cow, J. Lee Rankin General Counsel

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SACS, DallasDallas (44.1839)(2nclosureS-4)(44.1139)(2nclosure-4) Washington FieldField (44-5_9(Inclosures.4)(44-5 (Enclosures-2) From:Proms Director, VIIIFBI (44•24018) (4444016) 1Ib 12.eirdte LAXM3LAk113 REC-REC- 31 JACK L. RUBY KAA. LEE HARVEY OSVALD, AKA. • VICTIM CIVIL BIGHTSEIGHTS 00: DALLAS 0

Enclosed herewithherewith forfor DallasDallas andand WY0WO areare twotwo copies t4 of a memorandum from the President's Commission dated 8/5/086/5/64 requesting certain investigation relating to Mr. Seth Kantor. WO conduct thethe requestedrequested investigationinvestigation relating to long distance telephone calls placed by Kantor to Washington, D. C., between 12:45 p.a. and 2:00 p.m. on SovemberKovember 22, 1983. Your inquiry should covercover both Eastern Standard andand Central Standard Time within the period specified. Submit results by 1! letterhead memorandum suitable for dissemination to thethe Prekident's Commission.Commission. FurnishFurnish appropriateappropriate FD-302'sFD-302's to Dallas for inclusion in a later report. • • 8 Dallas will conduct the requested review of television tapes in possession of WFAA-TV.WFAA.TV. A There areare also enclosed for Dallas two copies of a letter from the Commission dated 6/8/64 requesting certain 8 investigation in connection with depositions furnished by - William D. Crowe, aka Bill Dollar,Deliar, to the President's Commission. Dallas handle the requested investigation. Dallas submit a separate letterhead memorandum covering investigation requested in each of enclosed letters suitable for dissemination to thethe President'sPresident's CommissionCommission promptlypromptly uponupon - .4,44, completionCompletion of your inquiry. • JWIlicacJWH/cac (7)(7) -OW- 4 .1 • SEE MOTE ON PACp E TWO Gale E TWO. 141.11°." —94-‘‘3030-V :.• ti TwW Irri% Tele. Roos Roos --- sio A GE* .tuut.noomtuut.noom trazrvir.traz-rvi?: 'Agri an C3 C

MOTH:, 'BethBeth Kantor, a reporter for Scripps-Howard,Scripps-Howard, BashiWash' D. CL, has, when previously interviewed by the Bureau and is furnishing a deposition to the President's Commission, insist that bebe sawsaw RubyRuby at*t ParklandParkland Memorial Memorial Hospital Hospital between between 12:43 12:43 .04111. pal: and 2:002:004.m.,11.R. onon 11/22/63.11/22/63. MeWe havehave conductedconducted extensiveextensive investigationinvestigation to check this out and our investigation establishes that Ruby coald not reasonably have been at the Parkland Memorial Hospital during . this period. Commission also requests additional investigation re Bill DeMar and his activities during the period 11/22/63 through 11/24/63. Dollar is the performer for Jack Ruby who claimed to the press that his saw Oswald in the Carousel Club prior to the assassination. Be has, when interviewed, retracted this allegation.

/- • II it C Selsauttpcaterosar_r_.t_44e-:,--- • PRSSIDINT'S COMCommission mottos hr. Callahan — ON TINSTIIR Ile. reara4toner, — - ASSASSINATION OPOP PRINIDENTPRINIOSNT KSNNSOT :rt. 2,14.46 300 Maryland Me. NA Ur. MILIML WARM.WOW Washington, D.C. 30003 Xr. OloraraOlsoram Vic: RICHARD S. RUM/ Telephone 341-41011 341-1100 Xr. JOHN SHERMAN ODOM Xr. Tavel HALE SOWSSOWS Mr. TrottTastier GERALD R. FORD Tele. Item Sem-— JOHN J. MeCLOT WWI R *nes ALLENAUDI W.OULLES %%DULLES NluInas Gandy Gana, — ANJUN 118 19641964

Mr. J. Edgar Hoover, Director Federal Bureau of Investigation Pennsylvania Ave. 1 9th St., N.M. Washington, D. C. 20535 411 ( Dear Mr. Hoover:

As a result ofof deposingdeposing WilliamWilliam D.'D. CroweCrowe akaaka BillBill DeMar the Commission would appreciateappreciate youryour prOvidingproviding thethe followingfollowing • information: •1 -r 1. A record of all telephone calls showing time, length, and destination placed by Mr. DeMar from the Shady Oaks Motel Dallas and the Palomino Hotel, Dallas on November 24,24, 1964;

2. The check-in time of Mr. DeMar at the Shady Oaks Motel;

3. The check-out time of Mr. DeMar at the Palimino Hotel, Dallas, on NovemberNoveMber 24, 1963. -• • • ft"'")4■-••■ ' 4. AnAn interview interview withwith Mr.Mr. DavidDavid Hoy,Roy, RadioRadio StationStation WlEY,WILY, I to determine whether DeMar mentioned seeing Oswald in Noy'sRoy's first telephone conversation with DeMar on November 24, when RoyEby received such information if not during the first call, and what Roy did thereafter.

5. A checkout of long distance telephone records relating to calls made by Mr.jtloyMr.jIoy on November 24, most particularly a call As< Roy placed to Martin(Anderson, Associated Press, Indianapolis, Indiana sometime berae7/730benTS7110 p.m.p.m. onon NovemberNovember 24.24. TheThe latterlatter call was probablyprobably mademade eithereither fromfrom Soy'sRoy's home ontonsl or from win.WIRY. W.414. Ij it te-le- -- . 6. The periods, if any that the The ter Lounge and 4••■•• Putrionyony ClubClub inin DallasDallas werewere closedclosed onon NovemberNovember 22,22, 23, & 24. ,—"-• .1 •- 1 , % 4._•• Ei .11 aS JUN..43Juk,0451964 1964 fi l'fi: Sincerely,' i .00 —77...--:,;;:i._ - • - I. ""..V.'Tv( _.k. ■i '.,....". -.' .../ ...... A....• 4 • --‘,..s l14,1ert il..• J. J. LeeLee RankinRankin ev General Counsel VI

•• • ••••••••1 NOS NIL •••• 1111••••••• SNP ••••••• • I , N. OM. OM ae.ae. •••• UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT Memorandum Mr. Callahan .1. FROFROMM ss• • L. J. Gauthier.Gauthier. 11; SUIIJECT:SWILIECT: ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY AND THE KILLING OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD VISUAL AIDS • . 4~' •" On 6-4-64 members of the President's Commission, Chairman Earl Warren, SenatorSenator JohnJohn ShermanSherman Cooper, Cooper, Con Congressmangressman Gerald Gerald R.R. Ford,Ford, JohnJohn J. McCloy, Allen W.W. DullesDulles;; CommissionCommission staffstaff members,members, ArlenArlen Specter,Specter, Norman Redlich Texas Attorney General Carr and Mr. Murray, member of the American Bar Associ- ation, heard testimonytestimony concerninconcerningg technical technical data data relatin relatingg to to the the physical physical makeupmakeup of . the assassination sitesite,, thethe shootingshooting sequence and descriptions of the Dallas Police Department ggaragearage wherewhere Oswald Oswald was was killed. killed.

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The attached copies of the exhibits which were described, marked and IIQQ admitted inin evidenceevidence throu throughgh the the testimony testimony of of Leo Leo J. J. Gauthier, Gauthier, FBIFBI areare listedlisted as !follows: Commission Exhibit No. 876

Aerial view of Dealey Plaza, Dallas, Texas. .1-1

.434 Commission Exhibit No. 877 Description of Dealey Plaza, Dallas, Texas. •! ) Commission Exhibit No. 878 • rc4- Color photographof of the the FBI's FBI's scalescale modelmodel of the assassination sitesite lookinglooking northeast northeast towardtoward thethe TexatiTexas School Book Depository.,Depository.,

Commission Exhibit No. 879 4 JytiJytei2*12 1::44 1r, Color photo photographgraph of of the the FBI's FBI's scale scale moa475fIlibew-••••••' nioaAlithe-•""""r111111 :;- assassinationassassination sitesite lookinlookingg southwestsouthwest towardtoward thethe Triple a. % •• tclostirmgaAKAUSUN%rDSUN% 111(r. lir.Sullivan Sullivan .• 7- nmarl - Mr. Rosen (Mr.(Mr. Malley)(SentMalley)(Sent Direct) fin ( t) tin PnyZIIMerIZIIM BBiirercbcbConradConrad (Mr. ()fir. ikumayristi)(tabist Siumayristi)(tabist DirDirect)ec • C Memo Gauthier to Callahan Re: Assassination ofof PresidentPresident tennedyRemedy . 6-8-64

Underpass from the Texas School Book Depository. Commission Exhibit No.880No.280 Color photograph of the FBI's scalescale modelmodel ofof thethe assassination site depicting the interior of the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository looking toward the window in the southeast corner. Commission Exhibit No. 831 ..' Color photograph of the FBI's scale model of the Dallas Police Department garage showingshowing thethe jailjail officeoffice . and the bottom of the ramps leading to the garage parking area. . •Commission Exhibit No.tB2 Original of the surveyor's plat (40"z 72") prepared by Robert H. West, County Surveyor, Dallas, Texas, on 5-24-64.6-24-64. Commission Exhibit No.E83No.EB3 Print of the surveyor's plat (40" z 72") depicting station "C," the positions of Zapruder, Nix and Muchmore and the elevation of the concrete pillar on which Zapruder was standing at the time he made the movie of the assassination. The plat map was prepared toto aa scalescale ofof 1"1" equalsequals 10'10' representing a portion of Dealey Plaza bounded on the north by the Texas School Book Depository and railroad property, onon the east by Houston Street, on the south by the Main Street roadway and on the west by the Triple Underpass. Indicated on this plat are street lights, storm basin, trees, concrete pergola andand reflectingreflecting pool,pool, roadroad signs,signs, curbcurb'hnd find traffic lane markings and the 6th floor window in the southeast corner of the Texas School Book Depository, fixed points on the roadway established through observations made from the 6th floor window andand fromfrom thethe Zapruder,Zapruder, NixNix andand MuchmoreMuchmore cameracamera • positions, instrument fixes made by the surveyor from a point 39" directly above each of the marked points on the roadway (39" above sea level is the point of bullet entry), tabulations -. indicate angles and sight distances from each point on.the roadway sighted in ,on the rifle in the 6th floorfloor windowwindow andand also from the top handrail of the TripleTktple Underpass directl,1416directly-ilEf- above the window on the SimIan Street roadway. s • ,f.' • • 2 •• Memo Gauthier to Callahan Re: Assassination of President Kennedy 141-844

Commission Exhibit No. 884 Enlarged copy of tabulation which appears on the surveyor's plat showing elevations, angles, sightingsighting distances and measurements from fixed points along the roadway to the rifle in the 6th floor window and the top of the handrail of the Triple Underpass. The hearings which included a showing of the movies pertaining to the assassination of President Kennedy continued withoutwithout recessrecess fromfrom 2:002:00 p.p. m.m. until approximately 7:00 p. m. The members of the Commission indicated that the testimony heard was indeed interesting and mostmost helpfulhelpful toto themthem inin betterbetter under7,under7 standing the many "probables" that surround the shooting sequence. Testimony of Special Agent Shaneyfelt and Special Agent Frazier is being handled in separate memoranda to Assistant Director Conrad. RECOMMENDATION: None; for information only.

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r.r. J. Edgar Hoover, Director Federal Bureau of Investigation Pennsylvania Ave.Ave. && 9th St.St. N. 14 Vathington, D.D. C.C. 20535 Dear Llr. Hoover: In a tape recording made available to the Commission by Dallas Radio Station KRLD,KRID, an employee of CBS News, DanDan Rather, is quoted as having told another newsman that he saw Lee Oswald in the Carousel Club prior to November 22, 1963. The Commission would.would,appreciate appreciate youryour interviewinginterviewing W. Rather to determine if he did see Oswald in the Carousel Club and the circumstances under which such statement alleged by ICLRD was made by him.

As provided to the Commission, Rathees alleged statement is quoted on KRLD audio tape reel 43b, November 24, 1963.1963. Sincerely,Sincereky,

124„raotoso%124„raoloso% 47. Lee BakinHaan General Counsel

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FROM 19.14, teb.awe -t4- t7, D. iffith L.. Aeviv*.e. 1 - Mr. tonradConrad Summar ACSASSIgATIMIACSASSIgATIMI PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY 1 • tit. or minim( 1 -■ rr.Pr. Criffith REQUEST BY THE coinasnoncoinacnon •- 1 .!'r. !ft% Shaneyfelt Shaneyfelt By letterletter 6/3/64 6/3/64 the the Commission Commission requestedrequested thatthat enen AgentAgent contact Mr.Mr. Burt Burt 'J. W. Griffin Criffin ofof the Commission staff staff so so that that - arrangements. could bebe mademade toto makemake timetime comnutations and obtainobtain blow-ups ofof a fewfew framesframes from moviemovie files film inin the possessionpossession ofof the Commission.Commission. These These frames frames show show the the shootinr shootinr ofof nsvaldnswald andand aa clock in thethe DallasDallas PolicePolice Department Der)ertrent Jail Office shoOptl, shdptly, afterafter the shooting.shooting. TheThe ComissionCommission is interestedis interested In Inthis this tine tine yttutt;to tud•t,.to pinpoint asas accuratelyaccurately as possible thethe timetime of thethe shootingshooting of Oswald by Ruby.Ruby. I On the the afternoonafternoon ofof 6/5/646/5/64 SASA ShaneyfeltShaneyfelt contactedcontacted _ Itr.lArr. Griffin Griffin at at the CommissionCommission office office and obtainedobtained from from hi. hinlihe,417ple- 'tq ix following films andand tapes: Exhibit 84A84A Silent filmfilm ofof Oswald Oswald shootinr_shootinr_.. from Kr'LrfitirKfILTStir 144 "46 Exhibit 24-A.24-A. Poundround filmfilm of Oswald shootishootina.nc' fro,fret gurt Ship',,Shim), WFAA-T" WFAA-T" 1/3 Exhibit HPHP sound filmfilm ofof OswaldOswald shooting taken byby L .0 • • John TankersleyTankersley,* IMAr-TvIMAr-Tv • Exhibit 43A43A Sound filmfilm ofof OswaldOswald shootingshooting fromfrom OperationsOperations Desk,Desk * KRLD-TVKRLD-TV . . .• Exhibit GCGC 16 mn filn filn of OswaldOswald shooting shooting fro)? from = John Tankersley, 14"RAP-T"SAP-Tv Exhibit AA AA Sound tape of presspress statementstatement byby Chief J. V. Curry fromfrom KrLD-TV KrLD-TV • Exhibit 93-A93-A Sound tare tare ofof OswaldOswald shooting shooting froNfroN *1/70*IFAA Radio Exhibit 39P.39A Tame of of interview interview ofof EvaEva Grant fromfrom Ra Ra d 0ttatiqp ttatio n i 1? KLIF „ - ;ixy()() 4. St - ExhibitExhibit 43-843-3 Still photographsphotographs frorlfrorle6Untsilltnt filn filn o. o. os2614_,....„ os2a111. - shooting from KRLD-TVKRLD-TV'Or..'(Mr. RobertRobert MankalrMankilr----- /.ExhibitExhibit 84-384-3 Still photographs photographs ofof silent filr.filr of of Oswald Oswald 01, JUNjuNi2 i2 ff shooting fromfrom KRLD-TVKRLD-TV ("r. ("r. CeorgeGeorge hen x).St • o‘upr 10 PECOVMENDATION:RECOVMENDATION: It isis recommended.thafk recommended.that :11 -haneyfelt exarineexar e the - - filps as requestedrequested by the Connissinn and, tthereat furnish the resultsresults toto the the Comrission Connission byby letter.?letter.

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A nom A. Motion • Ifie. NO" W8101IMP11110 ••••••••••••.".el,MPOI.Ini •••411110o.■•••••• (2)Q swap=map= JACK L. L. RUBY, RUBY, AKA; An; • LEE HARVEY OSWALD, AKA - VICTIM CIVIL RIGHTS

On May 26,1964, President's Commission requested that /4"f .°- we photograph all of the notebooks, papers, and other property ... seized from Jack Ruby and now in the possession of District . Attorney Henry Wade and the Dallas Police Department. The p rty"'"rty—ww.w was photographed and three sets of prints as requested by t Commission are being prepared and will be forwarded to the IL. Commission. -T-T .....'.4 -....,-. Dallas OfficeOffice has has advised advised that that District District Attorney attorney requested one set of prints of the property photographed.''photographed.'— A InasitucivasInasiudb;as thethe materialmaterial inin Wade'sWade's possessionpossession waswas mademade available -0% ‘tt by Wadg,andWad and thethe propertyproperty inin possessionpossession ofof thethe policepolice departmentdepartment _ was photographedphdtographed with Wade's permission, there is.nois„no reasonable 11 objectiOnobjection toto furnishingfurnishing WadeWade withwith oneone setset ofof thethe pltotographs.photographs. ACTIQN:ACTICITh 40311. Upon approval one set of the photographs of the property seized from Ruby at the time of his arrest will be furnished to District Attorney Wade. 4;/I.1 I 1 -— Mr. Belmont 1 . McGowan 1 - Mr. Callahan 1 - Mr. Rosen 1 r. Hines 1 - Mr. Malley 1. Mr.Mr, Mohr

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June 12, 1064 ter 33 ST 00112112 sun= "f,,/fir, 1. 1-10 1 -;• Mr.Mr. BelmontBelmont .'• „,7 1 -• Mr. Rosen 1 • Mr. Malley -- 1 •— Mr. McGowanMcGowan • 1 -• Mt.Mr. MinesNines *operable J. Lee RankinNankin General Counsel The President's Commission 200 Maryland Avenue, Northeast • Washington, D.B. C. Dear Mr.Nr. Nankin: 171 • In reply to your letter of June 4, 1944,1914, 21 an 1-- enclosing herewithherewith aa memorandumaesorandus dated June 9, 1964, at Chicago, Illinois, setting forth the results of this Bureau's examination of school records of schools attended by Jack Ruby. You will note that there inis some variance and conflict in dates as underlined in enclosed uesoranduu.memoranduu. Mr. Robert O'Connell, Senior Clerk, Board of EducationEducation, Chicago, Illinois, advisedadvised that hishis recordsrecords showshow thethe datesdates, as they are notset forth in the memorandum. The requested investigation with respect to the. activities of of Ruby Ruby inin connectionconnection withwith thethe ScrapScrap Iron and Junk WandlerSandler Onion and his employment at the Stanley Oliver - CbupanyCoapany and the Spartan Novelty Coapany,Company, Chicago, Illinois, is currently in progress. You will be furnished with thethe. . ...v results upon coupletion. .. , - - Sincerely yours,yours, ./ U. - 3....- i j.

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TO : DIRECTOR, FBI (44-24016) "MOM:ISOM: SAC, =ICAO()CHICAGO (44-645) SUBJ: JACK LRUBY,LUBY, aka;aka; LEE HARVEY OSWALD, aka - VICTIM CIVIL RIGHTS (00: DALLAS)

Re Bureau airtel, dated 6/5/64, and commission letter dated 6/4/64. Enclosed are eight copies of letterhead memorandum for the Bureau and one copy for Dallas. It is to be noted that the records of the Chicago Board of Education reflect that RUBY attended Shepard School from September, 1925 through the semester beginning September 1926. These records also reflected that RUBY attended Sabin Junior High School during the years 1925-1926 and 1926-1927. Also these records do not reflect where RUBY attended school from 1922 to 1924. ROBERT O'CONNELL, Senior Clerk, Board of Education, advised that his records reflectreflect thethe datesdates asas setset forthforth aboveabove - and in the letterhead memorandum.

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JAM L. ROBY; LIMLIZ HA BANS! IM OSWALDOSWALD a.• VICTIM CIVIL RIGHTSRIGHTS

Robe:litConnell, Senior Clerk,Clerk, Board of 2doca.tilosXdocationo . Asafayette_Lafayette SchoolSchool Depository,Depository, 27142714 WestWest AuguOta, AuguOta, Chicago, Chicago, „ 4-'tv,, furnished the following information on JuneJune S,S, 19641964:: -1 Jake-Jacob Rubenstein, 12321232 Morgan,Morgan, Chicago, bornborn June 231 1911, in Chicago, Illinois, father Joseph, attended Smyth Grammar School,School, Chicago,Chicago, fromfrom OctoberOctober 24,24, 1916,1916, throughthrough' the 1920-1921 term. Be completed kindergarten to grade 416 HoMo grades were shown for this period. Jacob Rubinstein, 1121 South Marshfield, bornbora April 25, 1911, ChlEago,Chicago, Illinois, father Joseph and mother rannieMinnie, attendedattended ClarkeClarke School,School, Chicago,Chicago, fromfrom SeptemberSeptember SS,o 1921, to the end of the 1921-1922 tern.term. Be completed the fourth grade. MoNo grades were shown. • Jack Rubenstein, 14101410 North Claremont, born March 114,1913,13 1913, inin Chicago,Chicago, fatherfather JosephJoseph andand mothermother NannieFannie,s attendedattended WT0i4School,7 tychool, Chicago, Chicago, from from September September 1,1, 1924,1924, untiluntil thethe end of the 1924-1925 tern. Rubenstein completed the sixth grade and also a residence ofof 22472247 Iowa,Iowa, Chicago,Chicago, waswas listed.listed. - RubensteintsRubenstein's grades were not shown. Jack Rubenstein,Rubenstein, 1307 OakleyOakley Boulevard, Chicago,Chicago, born March 3,3, 1911,1911, in Chicago,Chicago, father Joseph,Joseph, attendedattended labia Junior HighSigh School 1925-1926 and 1926-1927. NoMO grades were shown. Jack Rubenstein, 11291129 Sacramento,Sacramento, Chicago, attended Shepard School,School, Chicago, from September, 19251925,, until until the end of thethe semestersemester beginningbeginning in September, 1920.1920, RubensteinRubenstein completed grades 7A, SRSS and 61. ,.7,1•• • ;11!'-' Rubensteles gradesgrades werewere reflectedreflected asas follows:follows:

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/AnticMusic tir The above grades are under the system of AA for average, H for excellent, 0 for good, and P for poor. Rubenstein's gradesgrades forfor 811 8A werewere notnot shown,shown, butbut the recordrecord reflectedreflected bebe waswas promotedpromoted toto gradegrade 98.98. TheThe name of thethe schoolschool toto which which hehe waswas promotedpromoted waswas notnot shown. Rubenstein was absent six days in grade TA,7A, twelve and one half days is 8B and twenty days in grade 8A, Mr,Mr. O'Connell advisedadvised thatthat hishis recordsrecords containcontain no other information and that bebe doesdoes notnot knowknow where Rubenstein attended high school. Dr. John 7,7. Byrne, Principal, John Marshall High School, 32503250 WestWest Adams, Chicago, Chicago, advised advised onon JuneJune 8,8, 1984,1984, that he has made a complete search of his records and that be was unable to locate a• record for Ruby. He stated that his files contain the records of John Marshall High School and the formerformer ManleyManley HighHigh School.School. Mr. A. M. Shapiro, Assistant Principal, Crane High School, Chicago, advisedadvised onon JuneJune 8,8, 1964,1964, thatthat his files, which include CraneCrane High School, MadillMedal HighSigh SchoolSchool and Mc Tinley High School, contain no record of Ruby. .

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Stanley Murphy, Assistant Assistant Principal, Principal, CregierCregier UghHigh School,School, 18201820 VestVest Orenshaw, Orenahaw, Chicago,Chicago, advisedadvised onon June 8, 8, 1964,1964, thatthat his files,files, which which includeinclude CregierCregirr Nigh School andand ManleyManley Vocational Vocational SighSigh School,School, containcontain 1110 record ofof Ruby.Ruby.

Miss Kathryn O'Brien,O'Brien, Secretary to Dr.Dr. Thaddeue Thaddeus; Lubera, Associate Superintendent, In Charge of Instructions Chicago BoardBoard of of education,education, $28$28 NorthNorth LaSalle,LaSalle, Chicago,Chicago, advised onon JuneJune 9, 9, 1964,1964, that inin November,November, 1963, 1963, Dr.Dr. Lub•slaLabels% attempted to to verifyverify thethe educationeducation ofof RubyRuby andand that hehe couldcould • p. not locate any record of RubyRuby attendingattending highhigh school inin Chicago. She advised that Dr. Lubera stated that he beli•vreerbellerrems that Ruby advised the newspapers that he attended Medill SighNigh School in Chicago. It isis toto bebe notednoted thatthat the the records records ofof 'Will'Will nigh'tam School were checked, and no record of Ruby was located.

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•.• • ;ACEJACK L L. RUBY UBY i LEELEE HARVEY HARVEY OSWALD OSWALD DASHDASH VICTIM, VICTIM, DECEASED, DEMAND. CIVIL RIGHTS.luaus. RE DALLAS TELETYPE TO INDIANAPOLIS JUNE TEN LAST,LAST. .4i FOR INFOINFO BOSTONBOSTON,, BETELBETEL SETSSETS ourour RUABOA IRTEL IRTEL JUNEJUNE NINE LAST - ;- -6. - . ' TRANSMITTED LETTER LETTER OF or PRESIDENT-8 PRESIDENT-8 coloassION, coloassION, DATED JUNE JUNE EIGHT EIGHT - ... LAST. v. 4 . •-.-e4 . COMMISSION REFERSREFERS TOTO TESTIMONYTESTIMONY OF OF WILLIAM WILLIAM D. D. CROWE, OtOWE, AKA.;LEA.,

'',--.4!' • . BILL DE MAR,MR, FORMER FORMER ENTERTAINER ENTERTAINER AT AT RUBY-8 RUBY-S CAROUSEL CAROUSEL CLUB,CLUB, DALLAS,DALLAS, • •- .• ' r ,';. 4_....-; ' . -•-',-'",....“-).--.- s s. -.BEFOREBEFORE COMMISSION.COMMISSION. PORTION OY01, COMMISSION-8 COMMISSION-8 REQUESTREQUEST FOR ,-- .. . .. 3..r..---4 INVESTIGATION IN IN THIS THIS REGARD REGARD READS READS AS AS FOLLOWS: roLLows: . , "AN"AN INTERVIEW WITHWITH MR. MR. DAVID BOY, RADIORADIO STATIONSTATION WIEVII ...... , -, ..‘o.,..f-.;-..,..--- TO DETERMINEDETERMINE WHETHER DE DE MAR MR MENTIONEDMENTIONED SEEING SEEING OSWALD OSWALD IN IN BOY-BROY-8 NOVEMBER TWENTYPOUR LAST FIRST CONVERSATION WITHWITH DEEM DEVAR ON ON NOVEMBER TWENTYFOUR LAST ,,,. :-:„ WHEN BOYROY RECEIVEDRECEIVED 8 Strea.11C11r; TilfpIr..1.9. I.iTFfFrIlIttlNOIiLDURING THE FIRSTFIRST CALL,CALL, AND-_,-ARD

WHAT. ROY DIDDID THEREAFTER,THEREAFTER. L. I. • gP - r qq-" ikt4, --' 111 I:1 ISA ?'13 .1!.!. !.” I ffp,.p . ,.....1-ih,ii- :7 14 vi InigIniq 13 H 330° Vvuiii 124124 ;t1:Zilorteilim"-ft1 : 6 i )71et. 6 7 . - ----,, - - - - t 3 . , ;It:, • 6).Q. Bureau (44-24016)(ANDD)(44-24016)(A)SD) a:a:-- JUNJUN 18 1964 ly-2. r- IDallasDallas (44-1639)(AMSD).(44-1839)(AMSD)- .. .. v: . • uEcer,bEC•11 A:prilliclianaPoli!l '!tt!filF;.i/F lSECilt:Ii-,..1, A;: Irebitai ...... - .'r, • . _.. iiiec-tAlb , % 4 r- !7 - ,7101,..iv.1,:•- • - '''."• - --_. ,. • -•.: .. •••• %." JRDIREIAJRDtkaa (3) • , , ..,..4.. .-..:-..--... .,_-_. -„ ..... : ...-.... ' • , • 7,9 JUN JUN 171964 17196414a ibk ,1 •• I*: - IP- V 4444458-358 % • f' - • ' PAGE TWO "A CHECKOUT OF OF LONG LONG DISTANCE DISTANCE TELEPHONE MIPS:slat RECORDS RECORDS ILELATINO RELATING TO CALLS MADEMADE BY BY MaNE. . ROYROY ON TWINTY1012TWINTYFOUR LAST, LAST MOST, 11 ST PARTICULARLYPARTICULARLY • MILCALL HOY ROY PLACED PLACED TO TO MARTINMARTIN ANZIERS01,ANDERSON, ASSOCIATED ASSOCIATED PRESS PUSS, • INDIANAPOLIS, IND., IND., BONET SOMETIME IME BEFORE BEFORE TWO TWO THIRTY THIRTY P .31 P.M. . ON ON Jar- Jar- TWENTYFOUR LAST LAST. . THE THE LATTER LATTER CALL CALL WAS WAS PROBABLY PROBABLY MADE WA inmas Inn PROM "011 HOY-6BOY-8 HOME PHONE ORCR FROMFROM WILY." W . " . INDICES OF RUBY CASECASE NEGATIVENEGATIVE RENE BOY,HOY, NO NO INDICATION INDICATION HE HE RAS MS BEEN INTERVIEWEDINTERVIEWED HERETOFORE.: HERETOFORE. :CLIPPINGCLIPPING FROMFROM DALLASDALLAS NEWSPAPERNEWSPAPER NOVEMBERNOVEMIER TWENTYSIX TEEMS IX LAST LAST APPARENTLY APPARENTLY RESULTING RESULTING FROM FROM INFOINFO VOLUN-VOLUN- TEERED TO THEM BYBY DEDE MARMAR AFTERAFTER INTERVIEWINTERVIEW BY fif DALLASDALLAS AGENTS CON- CERNING HISHIS CLAIMSCLADS HE HE SAW SAW OSWALD OSWALD IN IN CAROUSEL CAROUSEL CLUBCLUB FEWFEW NIGHTS

• . • . PRIORPRIOR TO TO ASSASSINATION ASSASSINATION, , AND BELIEFBELIEF OSWALDOSWALD PARTICIPATEDPARTICIPATED IN IN "MEMORY "anon ACT" CONDUCTEDCONDUCTED BY B! DE MAR AT CAROUSEL. ARTICLE STATES DRDE MAR TELEPHONED DAVID.DAVID BOY, BOY, NEWS. NEWS. DIRECTOR, DIRECTOR, RADIO RADIO STATION STATION Way NM I EVANSVILLEEVANSVILLE, , IND.,IND., DEDE MARSMAR-S HOMETOWN, HOMETOWN, AFTERAFTER OSWALD-8OSWALD-8 ARREST AND TOLD HIMHIM OSWALDOSWALD HADBAD TAKENTAKEN IPARTPART ININ DRDR MAR-6 ACT, AND HADBAD

RECOGNIZED HIM FROM NEWSNEWS ANDAND TVTV PICTURESPICTURES. . ARTICLE QUOTES HOYROY as as SAYING FBI TOLDTOLD DEDE MARMAR TO TO IMMEDIATELY IMMEDIATELY CHECK CHECK OUTOUT OFOF DALugDALus nomnorm AND 00 INTOINTO BIDING,HIDING, TEAT THAT HIDING HIDING WAS WAS 80 80 succusruL, SUCCESSFUL, man BE SERVICEET any ma HAD TO CALL BOYROY TOTO DETERMINEDETERMINE DEDE MAR-8MAR-8 WHEREABOUTS.WHEREABOUTS HOT• Hoy QuoTEDquoTED'' .441. = - ifiSsurSAWTOULDSAYINGIr TOLD SECRET SERV ICE DID NOT 111011 DS Masa • • . THEszcarrNINFO DMZ. Suirmunim DralDwiallarnill:aux0 '3'sy -A HOT WOULD GIVE THEM INFO WHEN DI MAR NEXT CALLEDDI ut, aiaticaRD T7r:1),..RE . . •6 •

• -" I • fr't 1: IFIp 414•44.355■3 58 • Afrirrir • ' • • ;ir;dr •••• , . )MOILNOE THUSTHREE SAYS WASWAS ON ON MONDAY, MONDAY, NOV NON. . TWENTYF TWENTYF ITS LAST LIST . umwo RE RE FBI FBI TELLING TELLING DE DE LIAR JAR TO TO 00 00 INTO INTO RIDING RIDING ISIS FABRICATIONFABRICATION 7: 4. OFOF DE MARVAR OROR BOY.MOT. THERETHERE HAS HAS BEEN SW NO CONFIRMATIONCONFIRMATION FROM FROM RELIABLE RILIABLI • cek 11 . -SOURCESSOURCES TO TO SUBSTANTIATE SUBSTANTIATE DEDE MAR-SMAR-S STORYSTORY OFOF SEEINGSEEING OSWALDOSWALD IN CAROUSEL CLUB. SOME ENTERTAINERS INDICATE BELBELIEFIEF DEDE MAR VAR GAVEoars STORY FOR PUBLICITYPUBLICITY PURPOSESPURPOSES. . BOSTON IMMEDIATELY INTERVIEWINTERV IEW BOY BOY FORFOR FULLFULL DETAILSDETAILS OFOF ANY AND ALL CALLS FROM DE MAR DURING PERTINENT PERIOD, DATES AND TIMES OF Ag , . 3 DAY •OF OF SUCH SUCH CALLS CALLS WHAT WHAT HE HE SA SA ID ID ON ON EACH EACH OCCASION,OCCASION, WHATWHAT ACTION , HOY TOOKTom THEREAFTER THEREAFTER ON ON EACH EACH OCCASION OCCASION. WITH WITH REGARD REGARD TO TO TELEPHONETELEPHONE . ..;. - CALLS OF BOY,HOY COMMISSIONCOMMIES ION HAS HAS REGULARLY REGULARLY REQUESTEDREQUESTED FOLLOWINGFOLLOWING DATA IN CONNECTION WITH OTHER TELEPHONE CHECKS : IDENTITY OFOF TELEPHONE TELEPHONE FROM FROM WHICH WHICH CALLS CALLS PIACED PIA= DATESDATES OF CALLSCALLS, TIMETIME OFOF DAY,DAY DURATIONDURAT ION OF OF CALLS, CALLS NAME OF PERSON CALLING, L . . - NAME OF PERSON CALLED,CALLED NUMBERNUMBER ANDAND LOCATIONLOCATION OF NUMBER CALLED ,, IDENTITIES OF SUBSCRIBERS TO TO NUMBERS NUMBERS CALLED, CALLED, AS AS REFLECTED REFLECTED FROM IRON TELEPHONE RECORDS ASAS OFOF DATESDATES OFOF INDIVIDUALINDIVIDUAL CALLS. CALLS "MARK"MARE SENSE" CARDS OF TELEPHONE COMPANY SHOULD BE EXAMINED FOR COMPLETE INFO AS TO EACH CALCALL L. LETTERHEAD MEMOMEMO SHOULDSHOULD BEBE SUBMITTED,SUBMITTED TEN COPIESCOPIES TOTO HURRAH,BUREAU,

CM TO DALLASDALLAS REFLECTING REFLECTING INVESTIGATION. INVESTIGATION, FOLLOWED FOLLOWED BY BY FIFTEEN F MEIN COPIES -it OF FD THREETRUE ZERO ZERO TWO-8 TWO-8 TO TO DALLAS DALLAS FOR FOR INCLUS INCLUSION ION IXIN REPORTREPORT • - F,, it s

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• DATE OFOF COMMISSION-8 COMMISSION-8 REQUEST REQUEST AND AND NATURE NATURE OF DIVESTOF DIV= I CATI OATH" ICU HZ.HZ. QUESTED.QUESTED . LEMLEY ANDAND FD FD THREE THREE ZERO ZERO TWO TWO SHOULD SHOULD NE LETTERNE LETTER PERFECT MT= SUITABLE FOR IMMEDIATEIRKED IATE TRANSMISSION TO COMMISSION. PERSONS INTERVIEWED SHOULD BE ADVISED BDCESUCH AREARE ONON BLSBIB IS OF REQUESTED INVESTIGATION BYBY COMMISSION.COMMISSION. •

IT •IS IS SATISFACTORY SAT ISFACTORY IN IN INTEREST INTEREST OF OF ECONOMY ECONOMY ININ TYPINGTYPING TO 4 - ATTACH COPIES OF FDID THREETHREE ZEROZERO TWOSTWO-8 TO TO LEM LID[ TOTO REFLECTREFLECT RESULTS OF INVESTINVESTIGATION, I GAS ION RATHER RATHER THAN THAN REPEAT REPEAT SAME SAME INFO INFO FIRST FIRST IN IN LHM LEI[ AND THEN IN FD THREE ZERO TWO. DAVID E. HOYBOY, ONE ONE POURFOUR ZEROZERO ZERO MO ADAMS ADAMS AVE AVE. , EVANSVILLEEVANSVILLE • ft E. , IND., FORMER NEWS DIRECTOR, RADIO STATION lazy,lux!, IsIS CURRENTLY CURRENTLY RESIDING BRAEME MOOR MOOR HOTEL, HOTEL, KENMORE KENMORE SQUARE, SQUARE, BOSTON, BOSTON, MASS.MASS. BOYBOY IS PRESENTLY PLAYING IN NIGHT CLUB ACT IN BOSTON. RECORDS, IND . BELL TELEPHONE CO., EVANSV ILLE , REFLECT FOLLOWING CALLS FROM -TELEPHONETELEPHONE UtGR SIX SIX DASH DASH SEVEN SEVEN SEVEN SEVEN SIX SIX ZEROZERO BILLEDBILLED TOTO HA FOUR 4••• DASH EIGHT TWO EIGHT FOURFOUR FOURFOUR ONON NOVNOV TWENTYFOURTWENTYFOUR LASTLAST . • = CALLCALL BY BY DAVE DAVE BOY BOY TO TO TELEPHONE TELEPHONE RI RI SEVEN SEVEN DASH DASH ZERO ZERO ZERO ZERO SIXS IX -- - -41 FIVE, DALLASDALLAS •TEX TEX. . ,• ELEVENELEVEN l'ORTYPITSlOWITITVE A .11..1M. FOR FOR FORTYSEVEN FORMBY= SECONDS SECONDS . AT ELEVENELEVEN FORTY8 FORTY8 Et Et A .A . M ONE MINUTEMINUTE. AT AT ELEVEN ELEVEN F FIFTYFIVE IITYFIVE A.11. JI • , .• I.I, . •

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1 Mr. BelnoatDelmont 1 - Mr. Rosen 1 - Mr.Mr. Malley 1 -- Mr.Kr. McGowan • 1 - Mr. SinesBlues Honorable S.8. Lee Rankin 1 2: General Counsel The President's CbmmissionCommission 200 Maryland Avenue, Northeast Washington, D. C. CC) 1:1 Dear Mr.Mr. Rankin:Rankin: 4--.4 A lu ir :47,411919 .s. Refer toto mymy letterletter ofof JuneJune 11,11, 1964,1964, furnishingfurnishing to to .0co ..1..1 you the results ofof this Bureau's interview of Mrs. Gale Ann ••• r.7.7 Cascaddan, nee Eaton. Enclosed herewith are two copies of a ITI memorandum dated June 8, 1984, at Dallas, Texas, setting forth the results of our investigation to identify the person with whom Curtis Laverne Crafard hitchhiked a ride on November 23, 1963, and the results of our interview with this person, Clarence Aubry Summers.Mummers. This completes the investigation requested in youryour letter of June 1, 1964, to verify the statements of Crafard c to the Commission in his deposition. Tt- k •( .; e :a+ 1 .; ,,tn.._ . sincerelySincerely youisyouis,s r;i--- • .:- 7:- 0 4)-141-" 7.1 ILA, 01.:1.1 .1 ij( Ow' Z

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NOTE: . • Curtis Laverne Crafard, who was employed as a handyman by Ruby until he left Dallas on the morning of 11/23/63, in depositioh to the Commission stated that he hitchhiked.a ride est of Dallas with a person who had worked as a photographer at the Dallas FairFair wherewhere CrafardCrafard firstfirst net net Ruby Ruby and and who who was was driving driving a Ar--;_a 1954 or 1955 Chevrolet. Commission requested that we identify- 0d. interview this person. It was also requested that we interview a Miss Gale EatonEaton ofof Harrison,Harrison, Michigan,Michigan, whomwhom CrafardCrafard opparentayappareuta, visited after he left Dallas. Results of our interview with EatonRaton were furnished to the Commission by letter of 6/11/64. Investigation of the Dallas Office identified the person with whom he hitchhiked a ride as being Clarence Aubry Bummers, and he was interviewed on 6/6/64. Crafard.was interviewed by the Bureau in the initial stages of this investigation, and we conducted extensive investigation at the request of the Commission to locate hinsohimmo. that behe could be subpoenaed by the Commission.

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TO DIRECTOR FBI (44-24016) FROM DALLAS (44-1639)(44-1639) SUBJECT JACK L. aka; LEE HARVEY OSWALD, aka - VICTIM CR

ReBuairtelNeBuairtel 6/3/64 by which Bureau transmitted copies of letter of President's Commission dated 6/1/64 requesting - identity of and interview with unknown person who, according toto CURTIS LAVERNE CRAFIRD,CRAFARD, gave him a ride as he hitchhiked fromfrom Dallas on 11/23/63.

Enclosed are ten copies of a letterhead memorandum reflecting results of investigation. Attached and made a part of copies of the letterhead memorandum are copies of FD-302 reflecting interview with CLARENCE AUBRY SUMMERS, who was identified as the previously unknown individual.

Interviews of Misslass DORCAS MONROE and K. T. COLLINS, Concessions Division, StateState FairFair ofof TexasTexas,, andand ABEABE HIRSCH,HIRSCH, Whitmore Hotel Liquor Store, werewere conductedconducted byby SASA ilILLilILL HAYDENHAYDEN GRIFFIN.GRIFFIN. SAs GRIFFIN and ROBERT J. ANDERSON interviewed some of.the persons named by HIRSCH as possibilities. named by HIRSCH as possibilities. Itta t 4/ • 4 .•1.( 1(4 /64 (-• is fJVi . 11/1,-11,- 1,/, /1; •%.,• ' /'II (p-9- Bureau Bureau 10) „ - Dallas (Enc. 10) e- /7 --6'/..6e/ 996/////eael Wea C, U JUN ke,1964 - Dallas (Enc. e ts ef ; ,..0,44tle.,1/4:?/;:r7 trz:vmmcc:vm !1t

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UNITED STATESSTATES DEPARTMENTDEPARTMENT OFOF JUSTICE PION=WIDU&.L DORM, 111ORWI OF OF INVISTIGATIO. INVISTIGATIO. ssawb:n•N•ssatb:Pum.*a NsI. A. I Dallas, Texas June 8,8 19641964 •

JACK L. RUBY; LEE HARVEY OSWALD ...* VICTIM

The investigation which followsf011pws was conducted on the basis of a request in a letter dated June 1,1,'1964,1 1964, from the President's Commission on thethe AssassinationAssassination ofof PresidentPresident KennedyKennedy toto DirectorDirector Jr.J. EdgarEdgar Hoover that efforteffort bebe mademade toto identifyidentify andand intervintintervigr an"an unidentifiedunidentified person who was alleged to have picked Curtis LaverdeCrafardLaverneCrafard upup esas AV!:AV!: hitchhiker,hitchhiker,out out ofof Dallas,Dallas, texas,Texas, onon NovemberNovember 23,23, 1963. ( t On June 4, 1964, Miss Dorcas.-NonrOe,Nonni., Secretary,Secretary, arid and 114...T. 1141!. CollinsCollins,, Manager,-Concessions Division, State Fair of Texas, advised their records show Abe Hirsch, Whitmore Hotel Liquor Store, Dallas,- Texas, was the only person who was granted a Concession to take and develop photographs at the State Fair of Texas during Octofier,.1963.

Abe Hirsch, Whitmore Hotel Liquor Store, Dallas, oupplied .-4a list of all Male employees who were employed byby Jamlin at hishis concessionconcession at the State Fair of Texas in 1963. .

After a number of thethe personspersons namednamed byby Mr.Mr. HirschHirsch hadhad beenbemi- interviewed and eliminated is being identical with the person described by Crafard,)ClarenceCrafard0Clarence AubryAubry Summers,Summers, 6535:Starling6535:Starling Circle,Circle, Dallas,Dallas, Texas, informed hehe waswas unquestionablyunquestionably the individual toto WhomWhom Crafard referred. Attached are the results of interview with Mr. Summers in the Dallas Office on June 6, 1964. The Dallap City birectory reflectsreflects Morgan Portable BuildingoisBuildingsis located at 9000 Harry Hines Boulevard, 'Dallas, and the Tower Hotel.CourtsHotel.Courts atat 1010810108 _HarryHarry HinesHines Boulevard.Boulevard. - AttachOwntAttachMent •

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1 CLARENCE AUBRY-SUMMERS, 6535 Starling Circle, telephone FL 1-0818,1-0818, advised he.is currently employed by Brent TTrreeee Service 1105:E.1105:S. College Street, Carrollton, Texas, telephone CH 7-9965. Be said be has worked at numerous service stations in the Dallas area.' as an attendant and as a carnival worker periodically for many years. Mr. SUMMERS furnished the following descriptive information concerning himself:

Born AprilAeri/ 16, 1928, Tyler, Smith County, Texas Race . White Height 55'4"14" Weight 220 pounds Build Heavy Hair Brown, greying, balding Eyes Brown Complexion Ruddy Education 7th grade Marital Status Wife - RUTH, three children Criminal Record None admitted, states was questioned once concerningconcerning thethe thefttheftJof .of an an Amy Amy uniform andand onon anotheranother occasion regarding a stolen car but VASwas notnot charged with such offenses.

SUMMERS stated he was employed during October, 1963, for approximately. one week by ABE HIRSCH who had a concession to take and develop photographs at the State Fair of Texas. He said be recalls.-recalls, - meeting and having limited conversations with a youngyoungimmluhose man whose name was LARRY Who was employed at a concession of some type some 50 or 60 yards from Mr. HIRSCH's concession. He described this person as being about 21 years of age, 5'6" or 5'7" in height, weighing possibly 175175.pourids. .pour -He'said.He'said LARRY'sLARRY's eyeseyes werewere blinkingblinking almostalmost con- stantly. The young man was always dressed in "cowboy clothes,'t including blue jeans and boots. He observed this young man "shooting guns" into the air which appeared to be for the purpose of atttacting customers to the c onstititiliMahichonswitighlAhich he considered was probably aa "western"western 17S17s Drj-Dr"- • 144 ISISSO - v6r64t/6/1,4 Dallas. , Texas meFn. DL DL 44-1639 44-1639

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SUMMERS saidsaid hehe hashas no recollection of observing a concession oror ee- show known as "How Hollywood Makes Movies," at the fairgrounds.

SUMMERS related that sometime later on, a date he could not fix, he had a day off from his employment as a service station attendant at an unrecalled service station and decided to go to Carrollton, Texas, to visit his brother. He said he drove alone in a green-colored four door 1952 Dodge automobile,.leftautomobile,'left his home, as he now recalls, about 12:30 or 1:00 p.m. and traveled on Harry Hines Boulevard, also known as Highway 77, in the direction of Carrollton., At about the 9000block of Harry Hines Boulevard, near aa concernconcern engagedengaged in,in, househouse moving, moving, believed believed named named "Morgan," "Mown," bebe stopped and' picked up a hitchhiker.

SUMMERS said he immediately recognizedrecognised the hitchhiker as LARRY and reminded LARRY he had met him at the fairgrounds, and that his, SUMMER's, SUMMER's, name was AUBRY. LARRY asked SUMMERS how far it was to Oklahoma and stated he was going there. SUMMERS asked LARRY why he was leaving Dallas andand LARRYLARRY repliedreplied hehe couldcould not, find work and that he was tired 9f carnival jobs. SUMMERS said he attempted to induce LARRY to to stay stay inin Dallas,Dallas, offeringoffering to attempt toto getget himhim a job at the service station where SUMMERSSUMMERS waswas employed.employed. SUMMERS said LARRY appeared normal; that is, no different to his appearance on other occasions when he has seen him, that he did not appear to be frightened, emotionally upset, or otherwise disturbed. LARRY had a bag of some sort presumably containing his personal belongings. He recalled LARRY asked him how many children he had and that he told him he had three children including a boy ten years of age. He said he told LARRY he he was was going going ;to,to visitvisit hishis brotherbrother nearnear Carrollton, Texas.

SUMMERS saidsaid that upon reaching Field Circle, a short distance away, and after he had traveled at a speed of approximately 30 m.p.h. for a few minutes, he decided against going on to Carroll- ton and told LARRY he was changing his mind. He said he let LARRY LARRY out of the car at a point near the Tower Hotel Courts, a 'short , distance from Field Circle, still on Highway 77. •

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SUMMERS said he attached no significance to LARRY's. conversation and behavior, that he bad neither seen nornor heardheard of • LARRY since that time until interviewed by Agents, that behe bad not seen LARRY'.LARRY's picture inin thethe paperpaper or read of his testifying in the trial of JACK L. RUBY. Be saidsaid LARRYLARRY saidsaid nothing about wherewhere bebe had been living inin DallasDallas oror ofof bavin4Savin4 knownknown RUBY.RUBY. SeBe said be definitely did not carry LARRYLARRY toto thethe vicinityvicinity ofof CarrolltonCarrollton butbut . does recall discussing going to Carrollton. Be stated behe was , positive be did not have his ten year old boy with him but again stated hebe recalls mentioning having a ten year old boy to LARRY.

Be observed colorcolor photographsphotographs ofof CURTISCURTIS LAVERNELAVERNE CRAFAIDCRAFAID '‘ and stated CRAFARD is positively the person known to Maashim as LARRY LARRY at the State Fairgrounds and as the hitchhiker. Art. SSegREAUoaTIA&INIC COMMUNCATiONrCOMMUNICATIONr JUN 10 1904 Fel um DC* TELETYPE

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LEE HARVEY OSWALD*OSWALD. AKA; AKA; IS•R•CUBA.IS•R•CUBA. • .„.„:10/q:i (4)to REAUREAU TEL CALLCALL FROM SECSEC CHIEF CHIEF WM. A. BRANIGAN,BRANIGAN. ONEONE THIHTYFIVE THIRTYFIVE

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"IN"IN AA TAPE TAPE RECORDING RECORDING MADE MADE AVAILABLEAVAILABLE TOTO THETHE COMMISSIONCOMMISSION BYBY DALLASDALLAS

RADIO STATIONSTATION KRLD,KRLD, AN EMPLOYEEEMPLOYEE OF OF CBS CBS NEWS, NEWS* DAN DAN RATHER. RATHER, ISIS QUOTEDQUOTED ASAS kt-

HAVING TOLDTOLD ANOTHER NEWSMANNEWSMAN THAT HEHE SAWSAW LEE OSWALD IN THE CAROUSELCAROUSEL CLU4

PRIOR TO NOV. TWENTYTWO,TWENTYTWO. SIXTYTHREE.SIXTYTHREE.

THE COMMISSIONCOMMISSION WOULD WOULD APPRECIATEAPPRECIATE YOURYOUR INTERVIEWINGINTERVIEWING MR.MR. RATHERRATHER TOTO tt .re:471: DETERMINE IF NE DID SEE OSWALDOSWALD ININ THETHE CAROUSELCAROUSEL CLUBCLUB AND THE CIRCUMSTAN6CIRCUMSTAN6

UNDER WHICH SUCHSUCH STATEMENTSTATEMENT ALLEGEDALLEGED BYBY KRLD WAS MADEMADE BYBY HIM.HIM.

"AS"AS PROVIDEDPROVIDED TO THETHE COMMISSION,COMMISSION, RATHER'SRATHER'S ALLEGEDALLEGED STATEMENTSTATEMENT ISIS

QUOTED ON KRLDMILD AUDIOAUDIO TAPE,TAPE, REEL.FORTYTHREEREEL.FORTYTHREE Bs NOVNOV TWENTYFOUR.TWENTYFOUR. SIXTYTHRE1SIXTYTHREt

DALLAS WASWAS INSTRUCTED INSTRUCTED TO TO ARRANGE ARRANGE TO TO INTERVIEW INTERVIEW RATHERRATHER ANDAND COMPLETE•COMPLETE•

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ADVISED SAC SAC J. J. GORDON GORDON SHANKLINSHANKLIN THAT THAT DAN DAN RATHER RATHER ISIS P.IESENTLYP.IESENTLY WITH CBS

STATION IN WASHINGTON.WASHINGTON. DC.DC, AND CAN BEBE REACHEDREACHED THERE.THERE.

WASH FIELD IMMEDIATELYIMMEDIATELY CONTACT DAN RATHER AND INTERVIEW PER ABOVE

INSTRUCTIONS. BUREAU HAS INSTRUCTED RESULTS OF INTERVIEW BE FUR-

NISHED BY LETTERHEADLETTERHEAD MEMORANDUM MEMORANDUM WITH WITH COPIES COPIES DESIGNATEDDESIBNATED FOR DALLAS.DALLAS.

HANDLE IMMEDIATELY.IMMEDIATELY. CAROUSELCAROUSEL CLUB. CLUB. DALLAS, WASWAS OPERATEDOPERATED BY JACKJACK

RUBY AT TIME OF ASSASSINATION.

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The President's Commission on the Assassination of PresidentPresident Kennedy. Kennedy. by by letter letter 6-9-646-9-64* requested the Bureau to interview DanDan Rather,Rather anan employeeemployee of the Columbia Broadcasting System (CBS) news. According to the Commission, theythey have a tape recording furnished by Dallas Radio Station NLRB Vzoreinwherein Rather is quoted as havingbaying told another newsman that he saw Lee Oswald in the Carousel Club prior to 11-22-63611-22-63. The Cc=iss,ln'sCc=iss,ln's reste.est reste.est was was telephonically telephonically fcrnishedfcrnishod to SAC ShanIalin 6-16-64 and he TTILI requested to have Rather intervievadintervieved to determine if be did see Oswald in the Carousel Clcb andand thethe circumstancescircesztances =der =der tibia such statement asas allegedalleged byby MDMD waswas mademade byby him. bin. Dallas waswas requestedrequested toto handlehandle this this lead lead ir—*diately ir—*diately and to submit the results to the Bureau together with any other necessary investigationinvestigation toto pinpin Cc=Cc= thisthis allegation..allegation.. Upon receipt of the results of the interview,interview, they will be furnished toto thethe President'sPresident's Commission.Commission. ACTION: SO

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• %.? s • r • • ' 'On- On 6/11/64, 4/11/S4, Mrs. Mrs. KATHERINE KATHERINE COSGROVE COSGROVE San Antonio - advisedadvised thatthat her father,father, ARTHUR ARTHUR SCHLAUDT,SCHLAUDT, Willow Willow City, City, Texas, told herher recentlyrecently hehe hadhad rd therethere waswas aa rumor rumor in Willow City, Texas,Texas, that JJ and LEELEE HARVEY HARVEY OSWALD OSWALD and MARINA OSWALD had eaten a a cafe operated by Mr, and Mrs. STANLEY WHITE sometime previously and had passed out 4r, communist literature. literature. ARTHUR SCHLAUDT, SCHLAUDT, Willow Willow city,City, Texas,Texas, advisedadvised onon - 4/11/$4,S/l1/$11, thatthat hehe hadhad nono personalpersonal knowledgeknowledge of such an incident but had been told by ROLAND EVANS, an itinerant laborer from KerrvilleKerrville Texas,Texas, thatthat the the WHITES WHITES had had seen seen --- RUBY and and the the OSWALDS in ina acafe cafe atat Kerrville about three woks priorprior toto thethe assassination. assassination. He Heunderstood understood Mrs. Mrs. WHITE WHITE worked at the cafe. SCHLAUDT understood that EVANS had no firsthand knowledgeknowledge concerningconcerning thethe appearanceappearance ofof RUBY may andand the OSWALDSOSWALDS at atKerrville. Kerrville. ROLAND EVANS, EVANS, Kerrville, Kerrville, Texas Texas‘ advisedadvised onon 6S/11/$4,/11/64, that Mr.Mr. andand Mrs. Mrs. STANLEY STANLEY WHITE WHITE told told him him that that they they hadhad seenseen two menmen and aa womanwoman at aa KerrvilleKerrville cafecafe whomwhom theythey believed believed -, 4; were RUBY and the OSWALDS and that one of the men operated •a Dallas, Texas, casino and the woman did not speak English. , c..•, -SureauBureau CAMCAM RN)WO . 2 4.• DallasDallas (1004.04SWAM(100.10461(AM 1M)1M) (-4(4"67-- Va/6 'I'S •• SASA (2-1014209)(2•1064209) (140144411) (1444440 NOT RECORDEDRECORDED• •• BLFseshBLFsesh ,,,,...,• • ,, =. =. - -4- •- 11'.I. V' •• • . I 199)39 JUNJUN 16 16 19c419c4 (11)(11)

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Kr.Mr. andand Hrs.fire. STANLEY STANLEY WHITE,WHITE, Nerrwille, Kerrville, advisedadvised on 6/11/64,S/11/64, thatthat they they believed believed they they saw saw RUBY RUBY andand the ••••_ OSWALDS and and another another Unidentified Unidentified woman, descriptiondescription unkuown,wnkaowat :.• at• at the the Boulevard Boulevard Lounge, Lounge, Kerrville, Kerrville, Texas.Texas. TheyThey viewedviewed ..:4:--f„:•."- -„,,...-.1;lphotographs 'ofOf severalseveral individuals,individuals, including including OSWALD OSWALD andand 4,4 IRUBY, and *sleeted •!';', RUBY, and selected photograph,pfphotograph, of OSWALDOSWALD andand RUBY as as rasembreseal) Lag1.14/ .-e the stenmen theythey saw atat thethe oafs.cafe. TheyThey bothboth saidsaid they PersOnit4PerSOnhl4y feltfelt that that the the men men they they saw saw were were OSWALD OSWALD andand RUBY.RUBY. NeitherNeither observed RUBYRUBY• closely closely at at thelcafd,the It:4f4. 140 • • - Mrs. WHITEWHITE stated stated thethe woman she she believed believed to to be be Mrs.ftre. ,,. • OSWALD was was in inher her early early 20's 20Is and and had had long long stringy stringy hairhair andand was wearing anan overcoat.overcoat. She She Walleyed Walleyed Mrs. Mrs. OSWALD OSWALD waswas pregnantpregnant , because of of herher attireattire inin an an overcoat. overcoat. She She saidsaid she she thoughtthought the womanwoman was was pregnant pregnant but but sheshe waswas notnot sure. SheShe addedadded Irt" that whenwhen sheshe attemptedattempted toto talktalk,to to lire.Mrs: OSWALD OSWALD sheshe was •.4 .s4--1-4.1' -4-04::-.44! ." • • ignored and when she she spoke spoke again, again, MrMir. OWALDWALD said said that that his r • wife diddid notnot speakspeak English.English. ThereThere waswas no indicationindication ofof whatwhat language sheshe did did speak.speak. Mrs.Mrs. WHITEWHITE addedadded that OSWALD OSWALD putput two smallsmall pamphlets in in Mr.Mr. WHITE's pocket, pocket, whichwhich she she later later foundfound werewere tract-type tract-type literatureliterature on on Russia Russia and and Cuba. Cuba. SheShe did notnot readread moremore thanthan severalseveral sentencessentences fromfrom eacheach beforebefore •-.. •k • she destroyed them. SheShe stated sheshe hashas nevernever workedworked inin ,, ,..4 ;aa cafe oror operatedoperated one. SheShe statedstated the lounge waswas crowded crowded— - - -, butbut sheshe couldcould notnot recallrecall the the names names of anyany other customerscustomers or"'or' -- --employees present present at at the the time. time. SheShe could could not not recall recall thethe exact datedate ofof thethe incidentincident andand couldcould onlyonly opineopine thatthat it was was in thethe fallfall of of 1962. 1962. She She added added that that she she and and her her husband husband played shuffleboardshuffleboard with with OSWALD OSWALD after after RUBYRUBY declineddeclined anan invitation to to play. play. Hrs. Mrs. WHITE WHITE stated stated she she never never saw saw anyany of thethe members members ofof thethe OSWALDOSWALD group group before before or or after. after. SheShe • added she she recalled recalled reading reading a a statement statement in in the the KerrvilleKerrville 'jm.1121 after after the assassinationassassination to to thethe effecteffect it—had • biiihbiist- —ivmoredru*ored RUBYRUBY andand OSWALDOSWALD had had been been in inKerrville. Kerrville. SheShe also recalledrecalled OSWALD OSWALD was was wearing wearing a a blueblue sweater and a white shirt.shirt. Mr.Mfr. STANLEY STANLEY WHITE,WHITE, cemetery cemetery caretaker, caretaker, Kerrville,- Kerrville,AV. ..''- • - Texas,Texas, advisedadvised on 6/11/64,6/11/64, thatthat be be believed believed he he had had seenseen ..- RUBY and and thethe OSWALD*OSWALDe and and another another unknown unknown womanwoman at at thethe . RoulevardBoulevard Lounge,Lounge, Kerrville,Kerrville, at at an an unkitown unknown time,vohichtime,which 0T41, '' ”Act8;'he- t Could.could onlyonly recallrecall asas monthsmonths priorprior to the assassination.assassination: 1-dr*.-...' •S , 4p, aft. "mow , • •jx,t0 r v■ P,-r . • - • • 4.

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• WHITE recalled the Boulevard Lounge was crowded but hehe couldcould notnot recall the identities of any other customers or employeesemployees who were present. He did not recal;rscal; OSWALD distributingdistributing literature literature to to anyone anyone else. else. He diddid notnot recall who the owner of the cafe was at thatthat timetime and added that that itit changedchanged ownership frequently frequently sincesince then.

The WRITE.WHITE. did did not not learn learn the the namesnames of of the seUbersmembers gt 4 of thethe OSWALD OSWALD party party at atthe the time time they they playedplayed shuffleboard A • lr. Hr.Mr. WHITEWHITE stated stated he he did did not not tietie inin the the incident incident to OSWALDto OSWALD and RUBY until until afterafter hehe saw saw news news pictures pictures of OSWALDof OSWALD andand RUBY following following OSWALD OSWALDese s death death and and that that he he mentionedmentioned thethe similarity toto his his wife. wife. Mrs. Mrs. WHITE WHITE statedstated sheshe diddid notnot seesee the similarity until sometime after herher husbandhusband mentioned it to her and had discussed it with her. -; OP- The WHITEs were hesitant duringduring thethe interview *ba-and= the information they gave had to be elicited from them step Alo - - by step. TheyThey werewere extremelyextremely vaguevague concerning details and times. AlthoughAlthough theythey seemedseemed sincere,sincere , theythey appearedappeared tom t -' -- be naive.

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.pALLAS, • • ,.• • AT DALLAS. TEXAS • 10-1, 7'7.; =; vf.**NO.** - 17'17 . • .." ' • •

1. ConsiderConsider interviewinterview of of MARINA MARINA OSWALD concerning concerning • 11. the aboveabove allegation%

:"- .. 2. Consider interview interviewer of associates and employersemployers .;,,, ._of of the the OSWALD' OSWALDs and RUBYRUBY during during thethe fallfall of of1962 1962 to to •;,-;..10. .i,41 ...determine.datermine if they they were were ever-reported *yore reported to tohave have gone gone to to '4 4R t*:--**‘''Kerrville, Kerrville, Texas.Texas. • '• - .0.--- • 1.,.V" • SAN ANTONIO

AT KERRVILLE, TEXAS

Determine local reputationreputation of of WHITE* WHITE* concerningconcerning credibility and reliability andand anyany otherother investigativeinvestigative steps in order to prove or disprove thethe allegations allegations in question.

This matternatter is beingbeing givengiven prompt investigative investigative attention.

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4 • PLAIN TEXTTEXT Transmit the following in

TO: DIRECTOR, FBIFBI (44.24016)(44-24016)

PROM:FROM: SAC, NEW YORK (44-1974)(44-974)

SUBJECT: JACK L. RUBY aka;aka, LEE HARVEY OSWALD aka-VICTIM CIVIL RIGHTS

Re Bureau airtel to Dallas, Houston, and NY, 5/28/64, which requested NY to obtain records ong distance telephone calls from the telephone of BERRY, CY 5-1623, Bronx, tit,NYs FDPD 302302 settingsetting forthforth resres isis of this check were forWaraid to Dallas with NY airtel, 6/9/64. Bureau also requested NY to determine how long these records will be maintained by the telephone company before they are destroyed. EDWARD L. BRAUNE,IMMUNE, Security Supervisor, New York Telephone Company, has advised that these records normally are maintained for six months unless a specific request is •received to maintain them for a longer period. Bureau requested to advise if such a request shouldShould be made to NY Telephone Company. - iI

-WNW 3.4Bureau(44-24016)3-.Bureau (44-24016) v.'/- ()Ig()Ig .p■-• -7LaDallas1-Dallas (44-16391(44-1639) ■ wwwwWairwwwwWwir a-- 111• •••••• 1-New1-New YorkYork (44-'97(44-974)4) 17 juNJUN 113 113 'F-. *F4 JJELJ lt:obp :0bp ..4 (6(6)) •■•■•••11111/

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Approved: '2 11 Sent Per Specialspecial Agent bargebarge

41,441ar416.411.4111

\ r irrenamit the following in

Via AIRTEL (triorily or Naha .1 Mailing)

TO DIRECTOR, FBI ,(44-24016).(44-24016)

FROM SAC, SPRINGFIELDSPRINGFIELD 144-383)144-383) (RUC) RE: JACK LQUBY, aka; LEE HARVEY OSWALD, akaaka - VICTIM CR 00: DALLAS

Re Chicago airtel to Bureau, 6-4-64. On June 11, 1964,1964, MajorMajor GEORGEGEORGE STEWARTSTEWART State Selective Service Headquarters,Headquarters, Springfield, Illinois, advised that Selective Service file for JACK L. RUBY was destroyed inin 1955 pursuant to directive pertaining to such records issued In that year fromfrom NationalNational Headquarters.Headquarters. OnlyOnly information pertaining to RUBY, as such, was a card and classification ledger which information had been previously furnished to the FBIFBI regardingregarding RUBY. STEWART stated Local Draft Board 124, Chicago,Chicago, according to records available in his office, waswas locatedlocated at 9 South Kedzie, Chicago, Illinois, and during the period 1940 - . 1942, had the following Board members: ALFRAMALFRED R. ANDkUSONANDZUSON WILLIAM A.A. BradL.BZLL. GEORGE GAIIIJONEY FRAN:KM.FRANKM. MCMC KEY HAROLD MECKEL WILLIAM S. WILCOX „slA Major STEWART stated these Board members werewere never ..../06alaried..../..'"fialaried and and were were appointed appointed on on the the recommendation recommendation ofof thethe GovernorGovernor and no records are maintained in the office ofof thethe Governor,Governor, . State of Illinois, regarding the appointments or identities oror background information concerning thesethese individuals. Bureau Chicago (44.445)(44-645) 1 DallasDallas (44-1639) (44-1639) 1 - Springfield GWS: VLS la12 JUNJUN 1212 t994t964

r 'f'1161 +Pproved:roved: iCJ Seat 7 19dirai Awint

MIS iltow. 11141411) . •

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Date:

Transmit tbe followingWowing in

Via (Priority or Method of Moiliosi L

81 44-383 •. Major STEWART could not assist in locating the present whereabouts of these individuals, however,however, statedstated thatthat if they could not be located through logical. sources in Chicago, Illinois the only possibility that would remainremain wouldwould bebe NationalNational Head.Head. • quarters of Selective Service as he recalls that such Board members, upon completion of service, received a citation signed by the President ofof thethe UnitedUnited StatesStates andand thisthis mightmight be a matter of record with National Headquarters. Chicago is requested to attempt to itmentify these individuals through credit bureaubureau contactcontact andand otherother sourcessources ofof • information so that they may be interviewed regarding the request made by the President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy.

In view of the above, no further investigation is being conducted by Springfield. Springfield not submitting insert or report.

GIBBONS

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Approved:Approved; Sent .11Y PerPer SpacialSpecial AgentAnent in Charge isagtm"

fillM DETROITDETROIT

400 PMPM URGENTURGENT 678764•8064 Le 1 'RECTOR (44-R4016)(44.44016) ANDAND DALLASDALLAS (44•1639)(44•1639)

'ROM 1701T1701T (44-563) (44463) 11D iP JACK L. RUBY. AKA, LEE HARVEY OSWALD*OSWALD. AKA • VICTIM FAUN DECEASED PAREN CIVIL RIGHTS 001 DALLAS RE CINCINNATI TEL TO KANSAS CITY. DETROIT AND DALLAS JUNE SIX LASTS DALLAS TEL JUNEJUNE rimFIVE LAST TO CHICAGO. CINCINNATI. DETROIT AND LOS ANGELES. •

RE CINCINNATI TEL REQUESTED DETROIT CONTACT NARGARIETTE

YOUNG,YOUNG. NAOMI'NAM LANE, LANE. KEEGO KEEGO HARBOR.HARBOR., N/CH.NICK. RE WHEREABOUTS OFOF RALPHRALPH

EUGENE YOUNG. ABOV=ABOV= .17-DIVIDUAL- VIDUAL ADVISED JUNEJUNE EIGHT LASTLAST RALPHRALPH

EUGENE YOUNG YOUNG WITH WITH k4i 11C CCCNABLE NAME VISITED VISITED HER THREETHREE MONTHSMONTHS AGOAGO FORFOR

TWO OROR THREE DAYS.4 ST.SED5T..TED HAD HAD NO NO KNOWLEDGE KNOWLEDGE OF PRESENTPRESENT WHEREABOUTS WHEREABOUTS OR ANY INFORMATION-INFORMATION - OF ASSISTANCE ININ LOCATING RALPH YOUNG. LNMLRM FOLLOWS. " INVESTIGATIONINVESTIGATION CONTINUING RE FORMER EMPLOYMENTS OF RALPH EUGENE YOUNG IN MICH. - - MICH.- -.. SETSET FORTH FORTH IN REFERENCED DALLAS TEL.-TEL. - tND YY- dad2/ _ISA/7

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FBI WASHWASH DCDC .-••• ww•••!W m. .--_,- ..- — OL.DI. :VA-.-DA. kVoLl; "; • ------' :FBI. rat DALLAS. DALLAS b4.-- - - 7 • fb??frele-ZTII0•ZTED e% - 58 JLL'iJIIii 16 16 196419647" ee/ ee/

1 -- Mr• Mr. BelmontBelmont 1 6°' LWMr. • -Rosen 1 - Yx.Mk. SalleySalley 1 - MrMr.. McGowan - Mr.Ur. HinesHines 1s.I -a"..Mr. Mr. SullivanSullivan

JamJens 12,12, 19641964

STST couRna =ma

Honorable J.J. LeoLee nankinnankin General CounselCounsel The President's COs Commission SWIloa ;.,.. 200 MarylandMaryland Avenue,Avenue, Northeast C) rti L.- Washington, D. C.C. . 11: J6J6( ( .iI . , , I— I Zi Dear Mr. Nankin: lc ( With reference reference toto your letterletter ofof Nay May 26,26, 1964,1964, r requesting thatthat this BureauBureau identifyidentify the subscribersubscriber to telephone number Ti TE S-7475 8-7475 outside outside of of the the DallasDallas area,area, if possible,possible, you you are are advised advised that that through through aa shook chock:with with the telephonetelephone companycompany it it waswas determined that that the telephonetelephone number TEmpletonTEmpleton 8-7475,8-7475, NewNew YorkWork City,City, has this designation.designation. That numbernumber is is listed listed to oneone A.A. layman,layman, 250 lastNast 65th65th Street,Street, New ForkYork City.City.

Several attemptsattempts werewere wademade by by .Agents.Agents toto contactcontact someone at at this numbernumber andand addressaddress andand onon JuneJune 10,10, 1964,1964, a womanwoman answered answered the the telephone telephone and and stated stated that that she couldcould not speakspeak to thethe AgentsAgents inin herher apartmentapartment but would meetnut them inin the lobby of thethe apartment apartment building.building. The The woman woman vas metnet in thethe lobbylobby byby twotwo AgentsAgents ofof thethe New New YorkWork Office.Office. They exhibited exhibited theirtheir FBIFBI credentialscredentials andand advised her that they wished toto interview her in connectionconnection withwith thethe investigation concerningconcerning thethe assassinationassassination of of President president Kennedy Kennedy and relatedrelated matters.natters. ' - REC•REC-34 34 (11- _;_ fi ",' - Lao vs, ...... im The womanwoman identified identified herself as as A. A. Hayman Sayann andand Nak stated thatthattha she she was was a membera mothmember of of the the Permanent Permanent DelegptiOni egft 1515 1964 1964 of thethe UnionUnion of SouthSouth Africa to thethe UnitedUnited Nations.Nations. SheShe 11,./ said that sheshe badbad diplomaticdiplomatic immunity immunity and and that that if an,....if an.. : interview waswas de iredgiredA itit would would havehave toto be be arrang arrang &throughd,througb ;.:44...;".■ Telma Asbassagarill.AMbassaiticill.:1: A: Botha. Bettie. The The Agents Agents thereuponthereupon t tg ihatedmated - '''-'.".'' ftlimm -s it War the interview.interview. ,. 5 Caper ' Callahan kViN?/•.1 c...... JWIT/pabittEttJWB/pabltEtt A., - DA-ends (8) • MOTE:MOTE:Ais See memo A. Rosen toto Mr.Mr. BelBel t,to 6/10/64,6/10/64, re:re: JackJack L. News 81411"PI:RnbyL '"Ruby,!Leeo!Lee Harvey Oswald - Victim, Civil11 Rights, FHP':FHF:nkr. ass • soul FA Civ 'natter Tao. 116,1me fl)r,9610 • A 4Z.4‘4s GMT • Itctypc oar C:3 4to No fwrtherfurther investigationinvestigation willwill be eonenotsd by 'this Bureau concerning the telephone wasber TarpWes 84475, The Department of State has been advised of the Agents' *natant*outset withwith A.•. Saysaa.Saysaa. Sincerely yours,

S. Edgar Nieves.ifilever

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