14 Jack Leon Ruby •• Crafard made no mention of being at the Carous41Carousel Club on the night of November *2, 1963, or engaging in a telephone conversation with anyone. Additionally, be did not talk about Ruby's emotional reaction to the news of . the President's assassination. In fact, Crafard did not discuss in Mrs. Cascaddan's presence what he, Crafard, did between the time be first learned of President Kennedy's death and his (Crafard's) departure from Dallas onon thethe following day (November 23, 1963). In Mrs. Cascaddan's opinion, CrafardCrafard exhibited an indifferent attitudeattitude toward toward thethe assassination of the President. While Crafard was visiting Mrs. Cascaddan's parents in Harrison on November 26.27, 1963, a considerable amount of of time waswas being devoted by the television networks to the assassination and its aftermath involving Ruby's murder of Lee Harvey Oswald. Mrs. Cascaddan, her parents, and her brothers spent most of their tinetime watching watching programsprograms on television pertainingpertaining toto thethe assassination.assassination. Crafard - seemed mildly interested in these programs, and spent some time upstairsupstairs readingreading conicconic books.books. ThisThis seemedseemed strangestrange to Mrs. Cascaddan.Cascaddan. SheShe thoughtthought thatthat CrafardCrafard shouldshould have had an avid,avid, continuing interest interest in this matternatter because he was a "buddy" and former employee of Ruby. In Mrs. Cascaddan's vernacular, Crafard seemed about as disturbed over the President's assassination as be would be "over killing a cat". Mrs. Cascaddan advised that neither she nor her parents could understand why Crafard departed from Dallas 'toto hitchhike backback to MichiganMichigan onon thethe day followingfollowing the assassination. Specifically,Specifically, she askedasked CrafardCrafard why he left Dallas at that time and he never answered her question. • As she recalls, ho merely shifted the conversation to another topic. Too, her parents had been unable to secure .- • an answer toto thisthis questionquestion fromfrom Crafard.Crafard. Why Why CrafardCrafard wouldwould not furnish a reason or reasons for this action is unknown to Mrs.Mrs. Cascaddan. In respect to his departure from Dallas on November''' 23, 1963, Crafard statedstated thatthat hehe diddid notnot contactcontact JackJack Ruby., - andand telltell RubyRuby hebe waswas leaving.leaving. AtAt thethe time,time, RubyRuby owedowed himbin 11. wages and Crafard did not attempt to collect them. Crafard, MO Re: Jack Leon Ruby explained that be did not mention the departure to because he and Ruby were "buddies" and Ruby would not want bin to leave. Crafard did notsot discuss, even in a general way, activities which took place while hebe was hitchhiking from Texas to MichiganMichigan duringduring November,November, 1963.1963. Reliever,however, be did mention that en route hebe learned Ruby had shot and killed Lee Harvey Oswald. No doubt, Crafard was fortunate in securing rides during this trip for hebe reached Clare, Michigan, in two dam aoArspentADArspent the night at the home of his cousin, Clifford?nberte,Clifford?nberts, 2072Rast2072Rast 7th 7th Street, Street, Clare. Clare. f'. 1,.1"" At that time, Crafard's sister, Cora Belle Ingersoll, was also residing at that address. As pointed out earlier in this communication, on the following day (November 26, 1963), Crafard visited Mrs. Cascaddan and her parents in Harrison. Since November 27, 1963, Mrs. Cascaddan has had occasional contacts with Crafard, however, they have produced no additional information significant to the activities of Jack Ruby and Crafard which relate to the assassination of the President and the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald. In ss inin u•u• herher im•ressionsin muttons ofof 'thirdafard Mrs.Mrs. Cascaddan said She elaborated onon thisthis cc araara ee zaza onon • statin:statin: thatthat CrafardCrafard was was a "loner", aroun'aroun• e countrycountrr, fromiron Jo• to Job, and had no close friends or associates. Ne reportedly received an undesirable discharge from the • United States Army. Re frequently bragged of his muscular strength and his "exce ent" physique. He - claimedclaimed toto havehave anan extensiveextensive knowledgeknowledge of Judo. To support this latter claim,claim, onon occasionsoccasions hehe wouldwould useuse aa "judo"judo chop"chop" - (striking object with heel of hand while fingers are extended and hand held stiff) on the interior wall of a house to show the power of this blow. HeRe told Mrs. Cascaddan's mother - that 4 Mrs. Cascaddaa farther stated that Crafard Inawas despite the fact that she and rotrst Cousins.sousing. AtAt times,tines, CratardCrafard said hebe that be had to pick up the Bible routrem such eocasions, he would read in aa mumbling fashionfashion andand whatwhat hehe readread couldcould notnot bebe camcm letel understood by persons listening to btu. This interview with Ors.Mrs. CascaddanCascaddan waswas conductedconducted at her place of residence, the home of her parents, which is an unpretentious frame structure located on an unpaved street. During at least part of the interview, her mother (Esther Eaton) was present. Mrs. RatonRaton confirmed Mrs.Mrs. Cascaddan's assertion assertion thatthat Crafard seversever explainedexplained toto herher (Mrs. Eaton) oror etherother membersmembers ofof thethe RatonBaton fluidlyfamily whywhy bebe (Crafard) left Dallas the day following President Kennedy's assassination. Mrs.ire. SatanEaton observedobserved that CrafardCrafard expressedexpressed relative unconcern overover thethe assassination,assassination andand his only mention of its effects on lack Ruby was the statement that Ruby waswas "upset"'upset" andand "walked *walked around around a agreat great deal" deal" lira. Mrs. Eaton cannot recall any further information furnifurnished byby • Crafard which related toto Ruby'sRubes emotional state or activities at that time. Too,Too, sheshe notednoted thatthat CratardCrafard was ps sotmot specifically asked by herher nornor diddid hehe discussdiscuss isin her presence his activities , from thethe tinetine thatthat hehe first first learned learned of of President president Kennedy's &modes death until he departed from Dallas isOn the following day. Mrs. Gale Ann Cascaddan isIs 1717 rears of age and graduated fromfrom MorrisonMorrison CommunityCommunity Sigh ugh School,School, garrison,arrison, :- on MayMay 29,29, 1964.1964. InIn thethe latterlatter part of March 964, while attending highhigh school,school, sheshe marriedmarried RichardRichard MWCascaddan,IWCascaddan, a , resident ofof thethe HarrisonHarriman area,area, who who Is is mowmow livingliving in Lansing,IiLansVAgei pichigan,Vichigan, andand working at the Oldsmobile Motor Division, General Motors.Motors. Corporation, Corporation, isin thatthat city.city, Soon, Soon, Mrs. Mrs. CascaddanCaseaddan will move to Lansing to be with her husband. Mrs. Cascaddan is is pregnant pregnant and and expects expects her her and and is is fits five. mostbs.months. DuringSuring thethe interview,interview, sheshe manifestedmanifested aa cooperativecooperative attitude. is: Jack Taal Ruby A confidential source,uhosource, else isis engaged inis laylav enforcement inis thethe RarrisouNarrison area,area, lied and Who oho has furnishedfurnished reliable into na the dvieeddvised that GaleGale Ann am Cascaddan married Richard U.R. Cascaddan isis March,March, 4, SheShe basbas never never beenbeen thethe subjectsubject •off police actionaction inis andad highhigh schoolschool *beshe vasvas S. 6 • • I June 11, 1964 ST COMM =RUCS 1 ..Mr. Mk. Belmont 1 - Mr. Rosen 1 - Mr. SalleyMalley 1 -. Mr. MoGoOranMoGotran I •*41:430 % 1 -Mr. Mr. MinesMines cVC. te, Honorable J. Lee Rankin AN General Counsel The President's Commission Commission V% 200 Maryland Avenue, northeast 0( Washington, D. C. 14 •JOja cC t. : ..••• • ' ! , \ Dear Mr. Rankin: t 1 Refer toto mymy letter letter ofof JuneJune 9,9, 1964,1964, enclosingLI Nji a iemorandum containingcontaining the results ofof anan interviewinterview withwith Mr. Barney RossRoss onon JuneJune 4,4, 1964.1964. i.. Enclosed herewith are two copies of a memorandum V -dated-.June8, 8, 1964,1964, atat newnew YorkYork settingsetting forthforth resultsresults of dated-June I... !an'an additionaladditional contactcontact of of Mr.Mr. RossRoss withwith ourour MewHew YorkYork Office -- onos "410Alpo 8,8, 1964.1964. Mr. Paul Aaronson will be interviewed t' 'andand y4Uyou will bebe advisedadvised ofof thethe results.results. ts., 40. ••• • ...: :—...., . -.- Sincerely yours, yours, . ..-- 1 ..,-.: coufugg sic, . `EdoL Edgarr Wowwow. . tv •41•11 r ". tri 1/4r;, 4 1 • 11 -4 Z. IA 0011241/11Saga.OU - a ludo/ureaEnclosures ((2)2) 4E, .1 • + • t " . isi •• I . , ?Jittt jwg/r219 a,4 4.Is/4b/ 1100. ' 8Re(Re Mir/Moll 9y,,r4clisrp iriftifzufPki 1.4 Tolima .01 ...II 4114Is Belmont t -- Mohr •-• rt : esiii44; :0Aie4f:0Ai 44. castor tEcEmo.D.NECEmED. 9.mitificiotiioo bCCEIAEObCCEmED • P---- * u49 1i 11 6 1961kpilkpil 1=1C3 TEL-ET4Pv Ta.crery "err C3 ow.UAL NOTE: Commission byby letterletter dateddated 6/1/64 requested that., INwe interviewinterview Barney Ross who was an acquaintance of Rubylin :hishis earlyearly yearsyears atat Chicago.Chicago. Results of Ross' interview were furnished to Commission by letter 8/9/64. Ross recontacted RawRow York Office on 6/8/64 and advised that one Paul Aaronson was also acquainted with Ruby in his early days in Chicago. Chicago has beenbeen instructedinstructed toto locatelocate