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Legislative Assembly of Manitoba Standing Committee on Municipal Second Session - Thirty-Sixth Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba Standing Committee on Municipal Affairs Chairperson Mr. Marcel Laurendeau Constituencyof St Norbert Vol. XLVINo.4- 7 p.m., Tuesday, October 22, 1996 ISSN 0713-956X MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Thirty-Sixth Le�lature Members, Constituencies and Political Affiliation Name Constituenc)' eartJ� ASHTON, Steve Thompson N.D.P. BARRETT, Becky Wellington N.D.P. CERILLI, Marianne Radisson N.D.P. CHOMIAK, Dave Kildonan N.D.P. CUMMINGS, Glen, Hon. Ste. Rose P.C. DACQUAY, Louise, Hon. Seine River P.C. DERKACH, Leonard, Hon. Roblin-Russell P.C. DEWAR, Gregory Selkirk N.D.P. DOER, Gary Concordia N.D.P. DOWNEY, James, Hon. Arthur-Virden P.C. DRIEDGER, Albert, Hon. Steinbach P.C. DYCK, Peter Pembina P.C. ENNS, Harry, Hon. Lakeside P.C. ERNST, Jim, Hon. Charles wood P.C. EVANS, Clif Interlake N.D.P. - EVANS, Leonard S. Brandon East N.D.P. FILMON, Gary, Hon. Tuxedo P.C. FINDLAY, Glen, Hon. Springfield P.C. FRIESEN, Jean Wolseley N.D.P. GAUDRY, Neil St. Boniface Lib. GILLESHAMMER, Harold, Hon. Minnedosa P.C. HELWER, Edward Gimli P.C. HICKES, George Point Douglas N.D.P. JENNISSEN, Gerard Flin Flon N.D.P. KOWALSKI, Gary The Maples Lib. LAMOUREUX, Kevin Inkster Lib. LATHLIN, Oscar The Pas N.D.P. LAURENDEAU, Marcel St. Norbert P.C. MACKINTOSH, Gord St. Johns N.D.P. MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood N.D.P. MARTINDALE, Doug Burrows N.D.P. McALPINE, Gerry Sturgeon Creek P.C. McCRAE, James, Hon. Brandon West P.C. McGIFFORD, Diane Osborne N.D.P. MciNTOSH, Linda, Hon. Assiniboia P.C. MIHYCHUK, MaryAnn St. James N.D.P. MITCHELSON, Bonnie, Hon. River East P.C. NEWMAN, David Riel P.C. PALLISTER, Brian, Hon. Portage Ia Prairie P.C. PENNER, Jack Emerson P.C. PITURA, Frank Morris P.C. PRAZNIK, Darren, Hon. Lac du Bonnet P.C. RADCLIFFE, Mike River Heights P.C. REID, Daryl Transcona N.D P. REIMER, Jack, Hon. Niakwa P.C. RENDER, Shirley St. Vital P.C. ROBINSON, Eric Rupertsland N.D P. ROCAN, Denis Gladstone P.C. SALE, Tim Crescentwood N.D P. SANTOS, Conrad Broadway N.D P. STEFANSON, Eric, Hon. Kirkfield Park P.C. STRUTHERS, Stan Dauphin N.D P. SVEINSON, Ben La Verendrye P.C. TOEWS, Vic, Hon. Ross mere P.C. TWEED, Mervin Turtle Mountain P.C. VODREY, Rosemary, Hon. Fort Garry P.C. WOWCHUK, Rosann Swan River N.D.P. 123 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON MUNICIPAL AFFAIRS Tuesday, October 22,1996 TIME -7p.m. Clerk Assistant: Mr. Laurendeau has been nominated. Are there any other nominations? Seeing none, Mr. LOCATION - Winnipeg, Manitoba Laurendeau,you are nominated and elected Chairperson. CHAIRPERSON - Mr. Marcel Laurendeau (St. Mr. Chairperson: Good evening. Will the Standing Norbert) Committee on Municipal Affairs please come to order. VICE-CHAIRPERSON - Mr. Edward Helwer Before we proceed, the committee has got to elect a (Gimli) Vice-Chair. Are there any nominations? ATTENDANCE - 11 -QUORUM - 6 Mr. Jack Penner (Emerson): I nominate Mr. Helwer. Mr. Chairperson: Members of the Committee present: Mr. Helwer is being nominated. Are thereany other nominations? In that case Mr. Helwer is the Vice-Chair. Hon. Messrs. Cummings, Derkach, Findlay, Hon. Mrs. Mitchelson Thisevening the committee will be conducting clause­ by-clause consideration of three bills, those bills being Ms. Barrett, Messrs. Chomiak, Evans (Interlake), Bill 36, The Social Allowances Amendment and Helwer, Laurendeau, Martindale, Penner Consequential Amendments Act; Bill 49, The Regional Substitutions: Health Authorities and Consequential Amendments Act; and, Bill 54, The Municipal and Various Acts Amendment Act. Hon. Mr.McCrae for Hon. Mr. Findlay MATTERS UNDER DISCUSSION: Previously, Bill 36 had been considered by the Standing Committeeon Law Amendments on October 10 and11, and on those days public presentations had been Bill 36-The Social Allowances Amendment and heard and the bill was left at thepoint where clause-by­ Consequential Amendments Act clause consideration was the next item to be considered. Bill 49-The Regional Health Authorities and Consequential Amendments Act Regarding Bill 49, the Standing Committee on Law Bill 54-The Municipal and Various Acts Amendment Amendments had met on October 15 and 16 for the Act purpose of hearing public presentations. The Law *** Amendments committee had started clause-by-clause consideration of the bill and had already passed Clauses 1 to 10, inclusive, and this committee shall pick up Clerk Assistant (Ms. Patricia Chaychuk): Order, consideration ofBill 49 at Clause 11. please. Will the Standing Committee on Municipal Affairs please come to order. RegardingBill 54, public presentations had been heard Beforethe committee can proceed with the business, it by the Standing Committee on Municipal Affairs on must elect a Chairperson. Are there any nominations? October 17, and presentations were concluded. The committee was going to commence clause-by-clause Hon. Glen Cummings (Minister of Environment): I consideration at thenext meeting of the committee, which would like to nominate Mr. Laurendeau. is tonight. 124 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 22, 1996 So the business before us is the clause-by-clause indeedbe an important partof the new rural development considemtion of Bills 36, 49 and 54. In which order did and of course the municipalities and jurisdictions the conunittee wish to consider the bills'> throughout Manitoba, and hopefully that the bill with its content will be what everybody is wanting. Ms. Becky Barrett (Wellington): I would recommend that we do the bills in the order of Bill 54 first, followed Having saidthat, I am sure that there \\ill be probkms by Bill36, followed by Bill49. over the next year, perhaps even longer, with some of the parts of the bill that municipalities have not been able to Mr. Chairperson: Is the conunittee in agreement to 54, deal with, so we look forward to seeing how Bill 54 is 36, 49? [agreed] reacted to over the future. and hopefully that the minister and his department and this government will deal with Bill 54-The Municipal and Various Acts requestsof UMM and MAUM and all jurisdictions when Amendment Act it comes to any changes that might be made. Thank you. Mr. Chairperson: On Bill 54, The Municipal And Mr. Chairperson: We thank the member. During Various Acts Amendment Act, does the minister have an consideration of the bill, the title and the preamble and opening statement? the table of contents are postponed until all other clauses have been considered in their proper order by the * (1910) committee. Bon. Leonard Derkach (Minister of Rural Did the committee wish to consider the bill in blocks Development): My opening statements were made prior of clauses'> [agreedI to the conunittee-or the presentation has been made beforethe committee, so therefore at this time I only ·wish Shall Clause 1 pass'> to thank my staff who have worked very diligently in preparing the bill. Also, I would like to take this Mr. Derkach: Mr. Chair. we do have se,era1 opportunityto thank my opposition critics for their input amendments throughout this bill, and I do not think that into this bill as well, because it is an important bill that is a surprise. as a result of the size of this bill The first is going to impact on the way municipalities conduct amendment falls in this section. and it falls under the their business not only for this year but indeed for the council committee that we would like to have an foreseeable future, and therefore there has been a lot of amendment made to. So therefore, I move--I will just co-operative effort in putting the bill together. I would wait until the copies are distributed. simply like to say thank you to all those who were involved in bringing this bill to this point. Thank you This firstamendment relates to the definition of council very much. committee. I move Mr. Chairperson: We thank the minister. Does the THAT the definition "council conunittee" in subsection critic from the official opposition have an opening l ( 1) be amended by striking out "board or other body statement? established by a council under this Act" and substituting "or otherbody established by a council under subsection Mr. Clif Evans (Interlake): Yes, very brief also, Mr. 14 2(2)". Chairman. I tooalso want to extend my congratulations, and our congratulations of course, to the conunittee that (French yersion] was formed some years ago to put Bill 54 together. We are also pleased to see that the minister and the II est propose que Ia definition de "comite du conseil ", department have looked at the many amendments that auparagra phe 1 (1). soil amendee par substitution, a Ia have been requested and by the presenters and the premiere phrase. de "Comite ou autre organisme que presentationsthat were made to our conunittee. We look constitue un consei/ en application du paragraphe forward to seeinghow the bill in fact, after passing, will 142(2). " October 22, 1996 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 12 5 Mr. Chairperson: Amendment-pass. (a) land within an Indian Reserve is not part of the area of any municipality; Mr. Derkach: Further in this particular section, Mr. Chair, I have another amendment as it relates to the (b) persons residing within an Indian Reserve are not definition of population. I move residents of any municipality; and THAT the definition"population" in subsection 1(1) be (c) any description of the boundaries of a municipality or struck out. the area within a municipality is deemed to provide that land within an Indian Reserve is excluded from the [French version] municipality. Jl est propose que Ia definition de "population", au [French version) paragraphe 1 (1), soil, supprimee.
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