Military Order of the

Purple Heart

Of the U.S.A., Inc.

National Executive Committee Meeting

Branson, Missouri

08 July 2019

ARS REPORTING

Military Order of the 2 of the U.S.A., Inc. Page

1 INDEX

2 Call to Order 3

3 Pledge of Allegiance 3

4 Invocation 3

5 Roll Call 4

6 Credentials Committee 18

7 National Commander’s Opening Remarks 18

8 Questions/Comments from the NEC Floor 27

9 Credentionals Committee 52

10 National Chaplain’s Comments 52

11 Roll Call 54

12 Announcements 63

13 Additional Proposed Resolutions 130

14 Adjournment 139

15

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 3 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 Military Order of the Purple Heart

2 of the U.S.A., Inc.

3 NATIONAL EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEETING

4 08 JULY 2019

5 (11:06 a.m.)

6 CALL TO ORDER

7 NC GREENLAW: I call this NEC meeting to

8 order.

9 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE

10 NC GREENLAW: Face the flag. Stand and face

11 the flag. Senior Vice?

12 SVC GARCIA: Present arms.

13 PATRIOTS: I pledge allegiance to the Flag

14 of the of America and to the Republic

15 for which it stands, one nation under God,

16 indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

17 NC GREENLAW: Ready, two.

18 OPENING PRAYER

19 NC GREENLAW: Take your seats -- excuse me,

20 Chaplain. Chaplain? Please stand for the Invocation.

21 CHAPLAIN MILLER: Again, I would ask each

22 individual here to pray in your own personal beliefs

23 as I pray in mine.

24 Your Holy, we do thank you for everything you’ve

25 done for us and for protecting, for giving us safety

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 4 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 coming here to this Convention. Lord, again, I ask

2 you to please watch over and protect each one of us

3 here. Help us to make the right decisions, help us to

4 get rid of our differences from each other and to work

5 together to make this Order what it should be. This,

6 I ask in your name. Amen.

7 PATRIOTS: Amen.

8 NC GREENLAW: Take your seats. Thank you,

9 gentlemen.

10 ROLL CALL

11 NC GREENLAW: I’d like to call -- have the

12 Roll Call. Mr. Adjutant?

13 NA HERNANDEZ: I’m going to do this a

14 little bit differently. I notice a lot of people

15 missing. I’m going to start at the top and go down.

16 For the Regions, I’m not going to -- I guess this

17 year Region IV has the lead. If we can get Region

18 IV to line up once I get down to the name of

19 Frederick Taylor -- I don’t think he’s here, but

20 when you hear Fred Taylor’s name, come up, please

21 start lining up and we’ll go IV, V, VI, III, II, I.

22 Please identify who you are for this first

23 one, what Department. Region Commanders, please

24 take the lead. If there’s a Department missing, not

25 here for the NEC, please identify that by state and

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 5 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 name.

2 I’m going to start first with Douglas

3 Greenlaw?

4 NC GREENLAW: Here.

5 NA HERNANDEZ: Felix Garcia?

6 SVC GARCIA: Here.

7 NA HERNANDEZ: Rick Cherone?

8 JVC CHERONE: Here.

9 NA HERNANDEZ: Phil Moore?

10 NFO MOORE: Here.

11 NA HERNANDEZ: Dennis Wallot?

12 NFC CHAIR WALLOT: Here, sir.

13 NA HERNANDEZ: Al Flyr?

14 PATRIOT FLYR: Here, sir.

15 NA HERNANDEZ: Paul Picard?

16 PATRIOT PICKART: Here, sir.

17 NA HERNANDEZ: David Price, excused. Gary

18 Witt, excused. Bill Suhre, excused.

19 Richard Hunt?

20 NI HUNT: Here, sir.

21 NA HERNANDEZ: Nicholas McIntosh?

22 NPC CHAIR McINTOSH: Here, sir.

23 NA HERNANDEZ: Matt Bridges?

24 (No response)

25 NA HERNANDEZ: Matt Bridges?

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 6 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 (No response)

2 NA HERNANDEZ: Matt Bridges?

3 (No response)

4 NA HERNANDEZ: Charles Eggleston?

5 REG I COM EGGLESTON: Here.

6 NA HERNANDEZ: Chris Vedvick?

7 PATRIOT VEDVICK: Here.

8 NA HERNANDEZ: John Dismer?

9 (No response)

10 NA HERNANDEZ: John D. Dismer?

11 (No response)

12 NA HERNANDEZ: Barry Gasdek?

13 REG III COM GASDEK: Here.

14 NA HERNANDEZ: Lenny Lazzara?

15 REG IV COM LAZZARA: Here.

16 NA HERNANDEZ: Charles Adkins?

17 REG V COM ADKINS: Here, sir.

18 NA HERNANDEZ: James Anderson?

19 REG VI COM ANDERSON: Here, sir.

20 NA HERNANDEZ: Frank Athanason?

21 (No response)

22 NA HERNANDEZ: Frank Athanason?

23 (No response)

24 NA HERNANDEZ: Boyd Barclay?

25 PNC BARCLAY: Here.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 7 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 NA HERNANDEZ: James Blaylock?

2 (No response)

3 NA HERNANDEZ: James Blaylock?

4 (No response)

5 NA HERNANDEZ: Jim Durkin?

6 (No response)

7 NA HERNANDEZ: Jim Durkin?

8 (No response)

9 NA HERNANDEZ: ?

10 (No response)

11 NA HERNANDEZ: Hershel Gober?

12 (No response)

13 NA HERNANDEZ: Joseph Hems?

14 (No response)

15 NA HERNANDEZ: Joseph Hems?

16 (No response)

17 NA HERNANDEZ: Bill Hutton?

18 (No response)

19 NA HERNANDEZ: Bill Hutton?

20 (No response)

21 NA HERNANDEZ: Patrick Little, excused.

22 Bruce McKenty?

23 (No response)

24 NA HERNANDEZ: Bruce McKenty?

25 (No response)

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 8 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 NA HERNANDEZ: Bob Puskar, excused. Jim

2 Randles?

3 (No response)

4 NA HERNANDEZ: Jim Randles?

5 (No response)

6 NA HERNANDEZ: Jeff Roy?

7 (No response)

8 NA HERNANDEZ: Jeff Roy?

9 (No response)

10 NA HERNANDEZ: Ron Siebels?

11 PNC SIEBELS: Here sir.

12 NA HERNANDEZ: Al Silvano?

13 (No response)

14 NA HERNANDEZ: Al Silvano?

15 (No response)

16 NA HERNANDEZ: Jim Sims?

17 PNC SIMS: Here.

18 NA HERNANDEZ: Region IV, please start

19 lining up. Region IV, please start lining up to the

20 mic, followed by Region V. Fred Taylor?

21 (No response)

22 NA HERNANDEZ: Fred Taylor?

23 (No response)

24 NA HERNANDEZ: Neil Van Ess?

25 (No response)

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 9 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 NA HERNANDEZ: Neil Van Ess?

2 (No response)

3 NA HERNANDEZ: Bill Wroolie?

4 (No response)

5 NA HERNANDEZ: Bill Wroolie?

6 (No response)

7 NA HERNANDEZ: He’s no longer an NEC

8 member, he resigned, excuse me.

9 Region IV, Commander, identify yourself.

10 DEPT COM EBERSBACH: Department of North

11 Carolina, the first Purple Heart State, Bill

12 Ebersbach, Department Commander.

13 NA HERNANDEZ: North Carolina is present.

14 Next Commander? Region IV please, Region IV.

15 Region IV first. Here, I’m going to make it easy,

16 Region IV, Alabama?

17 DEPT COM DAUGHERTY: Daugherty, Department

18 Commander.

19 NA HERNANDEZ: Florida?

20 DEPT COM VEDVICK: Vedvick, Department

21 Commander.

22 NA HERNANDEZ: Georgia?

23 CRED CHAIR HUNT: Patriot Commander --

24 Patriot Adjutant?

25 NA HERNANDEZ: Sir?

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 10 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 CRED CHAIR HUNT: Each one of those

2 Patriots who are responding that they are voting

3 cannot leave until they have their paddle or they

4 will not have a vote. Would Alabama please approach

5 the mic and receive that paddle?

6 NA VAN HOY: Florida, come next and get

7 yours and let’s proceed. Georgia?

8 DEPT COM FLENER: Flener, Department

9 Commander.

10 NA HERNANDEZ: Mississippi?

11 DEPT COM SHAW: Excuse me, Adjutant, he’s

12 at the hospital. He was not feeling well this

13 morning. He is here, though.

14 NA HERNANDEZ: Identify yourself, who you

15 are please. We are being recorded.

16 DEPT COM SHAW: Todd Shaw, Department

17 Commander, Tennessee.

18 NA HERNANDEZ: Who is missing from

19 Mississippi, name?

20 DEPT COM SHAW: Mr. Truitt Breazeale

21 NA HERNANDEZ: Copy. North Carolina?

22 DEPT COM EBERSBACH: North Carolina, Bill

23 Ebersbach.

24 NA HERNANDEZ: Puerto Rico?

25 (No response)

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 11 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 NA HERNANDEZ: Puerto Rico?

2 (No response)

3 NA HERNANDEZ: Region Commander, if they’re

4 not here, please identify the persons missing.

5 REG IV COM LAZZARA: They’re not here.

6 NA HERNANDEZ: Who’s the name? Puerto

7 Rico, who’s not here, name?

8 REG IV COM LAZZARA: (inaudible).

9 NA HERNANDEZ: South Carolina?

10 DEPT COM LOPEZ: Carl Lopez, Department

11 Commander.

12 NA HERNANDEZ: Tennessee?

13 DEPT COM SHAW: Todd Shaw, Department

14 Commander, Tennessee.

15 NA HERNANDEZ: Region V, start with

16 ?

17 DEPT COM FERGUSON: Cardner Ferguson,

18 Department Commander.

19 NA HERNANDEZ: Colorado?

20 DEPT COM ELIZALDE: Paco Elizalde,

21 Department Commander.

22 NA HERNANDEZ: Kansas?

23 REG V COM ADKINS: Charles Adkins,

24 Commander, Region V, Mike Callahan from Kansas is

25 excused.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 12 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 NA HERNANDEZ: New Mexico?

2 DEPT COM COMSTOCK: Pete Comstock,

3 Department Commander.

4 NA HERNANDEZ: Region VI, please start

5 lining up. Oklahoma?

6 DEPT COM CASSON: Department Commander,

7 Frank Casson, Department of Oklahoma.

8 NA HERNANDEZ: Texas?

9 DEPT COM LUNKWICZ: John Lunkwicz,

10 Department Commander.

11 NA HERNANDEZ: Region VI, Arizona?

12 REG V COM ADKINS: Adjutant?

13 NA HERNANDEZ: Yes, sir?

14 REG V COM ADKINS: We have Louisiana, you

15 skipped Louisiana.

16 NA HERNANDEZ: Copy. Who’s Louisiana?

17 PATRIOT BROWN (Alt): Danny Brown, delegate

18 from Louisiana.

19 NA HERNANDEZ: I apologize, sir. Thank

20 you. All right, now to Region VI, Arizona?

21 DEPT COM McGLYNN: Ed McGlynn, Department

22 Commander.

23 NA HERNANDEZ: California?

24 DEPT COM EARTHMAN: Charles Earthman,

25 Department Commander.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 13 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 NA HERNANDEZ: Guam?

2 REG VI COM ANDERSON: Region Commander Jim

3 Anderson, Guam, Nick Francisco, not present.

4 NA HERNANDEZ: Hawaii?

5 PATRIOT TANAKA (Alt): Tommy Tanaka, Past

6 Department Commander for Hawaii. I’ll vote as a

7 delegate.

8 NA HERNANDEZ: Roger, sir. Utah?

9 (No response)

10 (Applause)

11 NA HERNANDEZ: Region I, start lining up

12 please.

13 DEPT COM GIBSON: Dee Gibson, Department of

14 Utah Commander.

15 NA HERNANDEZ: We’ll go to Region I.

16 Region II, start lining up. Go ahead.

17 DEPT COM YELINEK: Wait a second here,

18 Nevada is reporting in, Len Yelinek, Department

19 Commander, Nevada.

20 NA HERNANDEZ: Copy. Got it. Region I,

21 Connecticut?

22 (No response)

23 NA HERNANDEZ: Region I, Connecticut?

24 (No response)

25 NA HERNANDEZ: Connecticut’s not here.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 14 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 Delaware?

2 DEPT COM MORRIS: Gary Morris, Department

3 Commander.

4 NA HERNANDEZ: Massachusetts?

5 (No response.)

6 NA HERNANDEZ: Massachusetts?

7 (No response)

8 NA HERNANDEZ: Massachusetts is not here.

9 Maryland?

10 REG I COM EGGLESTON: Charles Eggleston,

11 Region I Commander, Maryland is excused.

12 NA HERNANDEZ: New Jersey?

13 (No response)

14 NA HERNANDEZ: New Jersey?

15 (No response)

16 NA HERNANDEZ: Not here. Northern New

17 England?

18 (No response)

19 NA HERNANDEZ: I think that’s been closed,

20 hasn’t it? New York?

21 (No response)

22 NA HERNANDEZ: New York?

23 (No response)

24 NA HERNANDEZ: Pennsylvania?

25 DEPT COM BOKAN: Frank J. Bokan, Commander,

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 15 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 Pennsylvania.

2 NA HERNANDEZ: Virginia?

3 (No response)

4 NA HERNANDEZ: Virginia?

5 (No response)

6 NA HERNANDEZ: Not here. Region II, Iowa?

7 (No response)

8 NA HERNANDEZ: Iowa?

9 DEPT COM HEIN: Richard Hein, Iowa.

10 NA HERNANDEZ: Illinois?

11 (No response)

12 NA HERNANDEZ: Illinois?

13 (No response)

14 NA HERNANDEZ: Illinois, not here.

15 Indiana?

16 DEPT COM SHADOWEN: Mike Shadowen,

17 Department Commander, Indiana.

18 NA HERNANDEZ: Kentucky?

19 DEPT COM THOMPSON: Gerry Thompson,

20 Department Commander, Kentucky.

21 NA HERNANDEZ: Michigan?

22 (No response)

23 NA HERNANDEZ: Michigan?

24 DEPT COM EATON: Robert Eaton, Department

25 Commander, Michigan.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 16 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 NA HERNANDEZ: Minnesota?

2 DEPT COM ANDERSON: Department Commander,

3 Anderson, Minnesota.

4 NA HERNANDEZ: Montana?

5 (No response)

6 NA HERNANDEZ: Montana?

7 (No response)

8 NA HERNANDEZ: I’m doing the best I can.

9 Missouri?

10 DEPT COM SCHLEY: Wal Schley, Commander,

11 Department of Missouri.

12 NA HERNANDEZ: Nebraska?

13 DEPT COM JENSEN: Wade Jensen, Department

14 Commander.

15 NA VAN HOY: Ohio?

16 DEPT COM CUNNINGHAM: Tom Cunningham, Ohio,

17 Department Commander.

18 NA HERNANDEZ: Wisconsin?

19 (No response)

20 NA HERNANDEZ: Wisconsin?

21 DEPT COM GREENDEER: George Greendeer,

22 Department Commander.

23 NA HERNANDEZ: West Virginia?

24 DEPT COM McCORMICK: James McCormick,

25 Department Commander, West Virginia.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 17 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 NA HERNANDEZ: Region III now, Region III.

2 Alaska?

3 DEPT COM KNOTT: John Knott, Department

4 Commander.

5 NA HERNANDEZ: Dakotas?

6 (No response)

7 NA HERNANDEZ: Dakotas?

8 UNIDENTIFIED PATRIOT: Ken Teunissen, he

9 should be here but he’s absent right now.

10 NA HERNANDEZ: Indiana? Idaho? Excuse me.

11 Idaho?

12 UNIDENTIFIED PATRIOT: Idaho, Ned Barker,

13 absent.

14 NA HERNANDEZ: Montana?

15 DEPT COM GATLIN: Char Gatlin, Department

16 Commander.

17 NA HERNANDEZ: Oregon?

18 DEPT COM RUPP: Lawrence Rupp, Oregon,

19 Department Commander.

20 NA HERNANDEZ: Washington?

21 DEPT COM OLIVAREZ: Robert Olivarez,

22 Department Commander, Washington.

23 NA HERNANDEZ: Wyoming?

24 REG III COM GASDEK: Barry Gasdek, Senior

25 Vice, Wyoming.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 18 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 NA HERNANDEZ: Thank you all, gentlemen,

2 ladies. Commander, you have a quorum.

3 CREDENTIALS COMMITTEE

4 NC GREENLAW: One quick announcement, we’re

5 forming our Credentials Committee. The Chairman of

6 that committee is Chris Smrt. He is actively pursuing

7 the additional two members to that committee. We’ll

8 have that this afternoon.

9 NATIONAL COMMANDER’S OPENING REMARKS

10 NC GREENLAW: I’ve got a few words to say

11 and I’d like to say that I have nothing negative to

12 say about any person in this room. We’re all brothers

13 and this is a real brotherhood. I hate to see us

14 having this in-fighting. I will say that -- yes, sir?

15 Brothers and sisters, of course. Pardon me. Brothers

16 and sisters.

17 I do have a few things to say. It should

18 take about five minutes, it’s not long. This is going

19 to be an interesting Convention, conference, whatever

20 we call it. I apologize upfront for any mistakes, any

21 inadequacies that we show here because you’re looking

22 at the staff right here. We’ve got no staff, got no

23 money. We’re unfunded, we’re struggling for survival.

24 It’s pretty nasty out there, so we’re in this fight

25 together.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 19 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 I think this is the most important meeting

2 we’ve had in 60 years since we, we, founded the

3 Foundation in 1958. Our Foundation working for us,

4 not us for them.

5 The Foundation has failed us. I will say

6 some tough things about the Foundation, no one in this

7 room. God bless each and every one of you. Whatever

8 is said, don’t take it personal. When I pound on the

9 Foundation a little bit, it’s not about the

10 individuals on the Foundation, I don’t hate any of

11 them. I don’t hate anybody, but I will say that they

12 made some big mistakes as a group.

13 The Foundation has failed us. They’re now

14 insolvent. They’ve clearly broken our 2016 agreement

15 by not funding the Order. It’s been a negotiated,

16 reasonable budget of $6.4 million they signed,

17 sealed, did not deliver.

18 Our budget submitted for this year is just

19 right at $7.2 million. The Foundation has agreed to

20 fund us at a level of $600,000 for the year. We

21 can’t cut ourselves that deep, period. The entire

22 year. The Foundation has failed us. They failed in

23 their most important mission, to fund the Order.

24 They’ve become dependent on two flat revenue

25 streams, car donations and thrift stores, not much

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 20 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 else than that. As a member of the Foundation Board

2 as National Commander and an experienced board

3 member myself, I’m witnessing this firsthand,

4 eyewitness.

5 They’re doing about $25 million in revenue.

6 It’s a lot of revenue. $25 million, that’s a lot of

7 money. They’re spending $24.2 million in expenses

8 to make that $25 million. In other words, they’re

9 doing about 3% net profit. In the nonprofit world,

10 we call it surplus. That’s a 3% margin. 97% of the

11 money that they bring in at the Foundation goes to

12 expenses. The average in the country for a military

13 nonprofit is about 25%, 20% to 25%, tops.

14 In 2014, which to me seems like a few days

15 ago. 2014, the Foundation had $21.8 million net

16 asset value. As of March of this year, as a sitting

17 Board member, I was a witness to this, their net

18 asset value now is negative $1.8 million.

19 NA HERNANDEZ: Can you stop for a second?

20 Sorry to interrupt you, sir, but there’s -- it’s

21 being brought out that the deputy sheriff here is

22 not actually a member, so they’re saying --

23 UNIDENTIFIED PATRIOT: And Dave Molinaro.

24 NA HERNANDEZ: No, Dave Molinaro is the

25 recorder. The recorder, it’s pretty much given that

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 21 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 you need to have him here to record the minutes.

2 But they’re saying you have to have a vote. The

3 deputy sheriff, I’ll say you don’t need a vote

4 because there’s nothing in the Bylaws to look in --

5 especially the emails that we receive with threats.

6 We’re going to teach you a lesson. It’s here for

7 the safety of you, me, and the organization so

8 nothing gets out --

9 UNIDENTIFIED PATRIOT: Take a vote.

10 NC GREENLAW: You want a vote?

11 NA HERNANDEZ: I don’t --

12 NC GREENLAW: I think we ask the deputy to

13 step out. Deputy, I’d like you to step out of the

14 room please. We’ll solve that real quick. But stay

15 close.

16 NA HERNANDEZ: Thank you, sir.

17 NC GREENLAW: Handle that. Okay. $21.8

18 million, that’s what the Foundation had in 2014.

19 Today they’re worth negative $1.8 million. In other

20 words, $1.8 million less than zero. That’s why

21 they’re rated F. That’s why they have zero stars

22 created by the corporations out there that analyze

23 this type of thing, the profit (sic) watch groups.

24 Not to mention the fact the Foundation is $2.1

25 million in arrears to the Order. They owe us $2.1

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 22 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 million, accounts payable.

2 On the other hand, the Order, in my

3 opinion, is rated A, A-plus. We have an A-plus

4 Order. The finest Service Officer Program in

5 America, not the largest, but the best. We handled

6 over 135,000 cases last year, produced over $140

7 million in benefits back to our vets that we helped

8 out. We have a 90% success rate in the cases that

9 we bring to the table. That’s the highest in the

10 country. The other organizations average around

11 60%.

12 We are the best of class. I want to

13 congratulate the people that we have out there doing

14 this. It’s a tragedy that we are not funded. We

15 wouldn’t be fighting amongst ourselves like this if

16 we were fully funded. We’d be cruising along with

17 that $6.4 million status quo, moving on to the next

18 year for $7.2 million, no problem. I hate to see us

19 turn on each other. That’s why I refuse to do it.

20 I don’t think we should.

21 So the Foundation wants to take over that

22 Service Program, take it away from us. I was told

23 to my face by a major leader in our Order, MOPH, to

24 give the Service Officer Program to the Foundation.

25 To my face. I said, no, they can’t even run a car

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 23 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 program. How can they run a big Foundation -- a big

2 officer program like we have, Service Officer

3 Program?

4 Well, then give it to the Wounded Warriors

5 Program (sic). I said, no way. So, it’s

6 imperative, in my opinion -- and I’m outgoing, you

7 can vote this down. It’s my opinion that we have

8 the best Service Officer Program in the country and

9 we should keep it and we’ll fund it. We have

10 corporate sponsors that’ll fund this. We have

11 government grants that will fund this. Right now, I

12 can say that everything that we had going -- and it

13 is a pipeline. It’s frozen because of this lawsuit.

14 The trial is September 23rd and it should

15 take three days. I don’t know where the six, nine

16 months comes from. We’ve got a judge and she’s a

17 good judge. I sat through a hearing with her. She

18 knows what she’s talking about, she’s done her

19 homework, she’s on time, and she’s smart. I really

20 enjoyed it when she locked the heels of our

21 competition’s lead lawyer. It made me feel pretty

22 good.

23 We will win this lawsuit. We will win this

24 lawsuit. I hear a rumor that there’s going to be a

25 vote today, tomorrow, Wednesday, I’m not sure when,

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 24 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 if it even happens. You know how these rumors are,

2 70% of them aren’t true, but the other 30%, maybe

3 they are. I hear that there’s going to be a vote to

4 drop the lawsuit. That would be a huge mistake.

5 You know why the Foundation wants us to drop this

6 lawsuit. You know why, because they’re going to

7 lose.

8 The reason why I’m going through all these

9 numbers with you, I know you’ve heard and you’ve

10 seen in emails, probably sick and tired of it. But

11 I want to get it on record here in the minutes of

12 this meeting that we are here in this situation that

13 we’re facing right now 100% because of this

14 Foundation.

15 Now, have we made some mistakes along the

16 way? Hell, yes. You know when the battle starts,

17 the strategy, the tactics, all that goes out the

18 door. It becomes sometimes even hand-to-hand.

19 We’re nearing a hand-to-hand situation here. I feel

20 really good about this lawsuit. I’ve been around

21 lawsuits my entire career. I’ve been on boards my

22 entire career -- not my entire, but later CEO parts

23 of my career. I’m telling you that we’re in good

24 shape and we have -- I’m going to clean this up. We

25 have a screwed up Foundation.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 25 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 So, what I’m asking is not to fight among

2 ourselves. The stress is palatable. We feel it in

3 every ounce of our PTSD bodies. Believe me, I’m a

4 firm believer that everybody in this room has PTSD

5 to one degree or another. If you’re in combat in

6 any form, you have PTSD.

7 So, let’s learn from our past, don’t forget

8 it, but let’s not look back. Let’s learn from our

9 past. Let’s go forward and be positive. Let’s

10 enjoy each other’s company the next couple of days

11 and make things positive happen for the MOPH. I’ve

12 got nothing to say about -- bad about anybody in

13 this room. I love everybody in this room. So let’s

14 not take it personal.

15 I can say that there was a -- what I

16 consider an improper raid on the Headquarters where

17 a group of people in this room came unannounced to

18 Headquarters and did some kind of an audit, found

19 some things they didn’t understand, called the

20 police. They turned this information to the Fairfax

21 County Police Department. I was shocked. I said,

22 what the hell? How come I didn’t know about this?

23 They didn’t notify me.

24 I would’ve joined them. I would’ve

25 encouraged the meeting. Hell, yes, you want to see?

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 26 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 Come on, let’s go, I want -- I’ll be on the next

2 airplane. Well, we were held on a very intense

3 inquiry by the Fairfax County Police Department.

4 They put their top detective on it. He did a

5 thorough investigation, a thorough inquiry and he

6 found nothing wrong. He found everybody innocent of

7 these charges. The books balanced to the penny.

8 Everything was -- of course, we were moving

9 fast. I approved it. I don’t regret approving it.

10 I think if any one of you were National Commander

11 with the same information that I had at that time of

12 distress and everything going upside down, you

13 would’ve done the same thing. I really believe

14 that.

15 So you can blame me all you want because I

16 approved that. They cleared our National Adjutant

17 of any misbehavior at all. I don’t even want to

18 tell you what the detective said to me further but

19 it wasn’t very nice about the people that conducted

20 this raid. I call it a raid.

21 This is my little comeback from sitting

22 down here earlier. We did the best we could do with

23 the information that we had to save the Order, for

24 the Good of the Order. We had the best intentions

25 and that became very clear to the detective that

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 27 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 headed up this inquiry. So, that’s my talk.

2 QUESTIONS FROM THE FLOOR

3 NC GREENLAW: I’d like to take any

4 questions that anybody has. I’d be happy to answer

5 to the best of my ability, the best of my knowledge.

6 Please step up to the mic and I will recognize you.

7 If you have a question, you’ve got three minutes.

8 Yes, sir?

9 DEPT COM SHAW: Gentlemen, every one of us

10 had been on perimeter in a jungle, in a desert, and

11 clearing a room. We would --

12 NC GREENLAW: Talk into the mic.

13 DEPT COM SHAW: -- die for the men to our

14 right and our left. I know that. Even if you

15 didn’t like the guy, you still would’ve died for

16 him. That’s what we need to do here. We need to

17 get together and stop it and take care of each

18 other.

19 (Applause)

20 NC GREENLAW: Any other questions,

21 comments? Yes, sir?

22 PSVC MIDDLETON: What is the current status

23 of the Service Officer Program? How many do we have

24 actually on the rolls right now? How many are

25 furloughed? How many have been let go?

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 28 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 NC GREENLAW: We’ve cut it down. I’d like

2 you to speak to this, our National Service Officer,

3 Arthur Coleman.

4 NSD COLEMAN: Greetings. Currently, we

5 have two NSOs working, one at the Board and Pat

6 Byers in Seattle, Washington, and myself. We are

7 adjudicating as much as we can with those three

8 people. As far as someone being laid off, no one

9 has been laid off, everyone is still furloughed

10 until pay has been remitted to those individuals.

11 NC GREENLAW: Any other questions?

12 NROTC OFF NEWALL: Going back to the

13 Service Officer Program, what is happening with

14 claims that were submitted in states that don’t have

15 Service Officers currently?

16 NSD COLEMAN: If it is initial claim, the

17 claim is in the system. I have access to the

18 system, as well as Pat Byers and Jamar Creech

19 (phonetic). There are a lot of claims out there and

20 the claims that’s about to be adjudicated, I’m doing

21 48-hour reviews now. I have maybe 700-800 pieces of

22 mail that comes to the Headquarters and I do check

23 them daily. So for the last two and a half months,

24 whether the individual’s paid or not, I’ve been

25 there every day and sometimes on the weekend because

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 29 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 we have hearings.

2 This is what I love to do. I love

3 advocating. I wish we can make it simpler. This is

4 a very complex program, and so I’m doing the best

5 that I can. So there will be some complaints out

6 there about communication. But as far as the

7 claims, we’re not letting them fall to the wayside.

8 Just right now, I’m just doing what I can to get

9 things done.

10 NROTC OFF NEWALL: Okay, I guess the answer

11 to my question you gave me is our claims are still

12 valid, they’re just not getting worked on as quickly

13 as possible -- as quickly as you can or as quickly

14 as we’d like. Thank you.

15 NC GREENLAW: Yes, in the back?

16 DEPT COM GREENDEER: Four weeks ago, we

17 closed up the Service Office in Milwaukee and we

18 took everything from paperclips to pens to copy

19 machines and cabinets, probably value of, I would

20 say, $5,000 or $6,000. I put it in storage for $75

21 a month and was hoping we could find the disposition

22 to do with that equipment because it’s worth -- I

23 think there’s about eight computers involved with

24 it.

25 I know you can’t answer it, but it’s

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 30 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 important to know what we’re to do with that

2 equipment.

3 NSD COLEMAN: I submitted a plan to the

4 National Commander as well as the Junior Vice

5 Commander to do a proper closeout. In order for our

6 organization to do proper closeout, I would need a

7 skeleton crew to come in and to hit these areas so

8 we can secure this PPI. Because there is some

9 privacy issues here by law that we have to get

10 fixed, the members are not allowed to take any of

11 those documents. Department Commanders, if you’re

12 having problems in your state -- I think Tennessee

13 called me as well as Nevada. They’ve been on it, so

14 all you have to do is contact me. We’ll figure out

15 a way securing those documents in those states.

16 DEPT COM GREENDEER: One other thing, we

17 are receiving all those documents and I did call

18 Milwaukee and they said they’re -- we’re not taking

19 care of, they have copies of them, they told us to

20 shred them. I probably have about ten pounds that I

21 shredded.

22 NSD COLEMAN: Did you shred them?

23 DEPT COM GREENDEER: Yes, I did.

24 NSD COLEMAN: Okay. I need to talk to you

25 offline about that and get with the director for the

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 31 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 RO.

2 NC GREENLAW: Yes, sir?

3 REG V COM ADKINS: Unfortunately, Lori

4 Wilka passed away during February. God rest her

5 soul. You partially answered the question, what’s

6 being done to secure the equipment that was in her

7 office in the North Little Rock Region Office. But

8 when we fully revive the NSO Program, three years

9 ago the Department of Arkansas submitted some

10 recommendations. Are those going to be considered

11 when we fully revived this? It does contain some

12 cost measures in here.

13 NSD COLEMAN: Yes, I will consider it. I

14 believe we spoke in December.

15 REG V COM ADKINS: Yes, sir.

16 NSD COLEMAN: We communicated in the winter

17 or the spring -- no, the --

18 REG V COM ADKINS: The spring.

19 NSD COLEMAN: The magazine, they put out a

20 plan. I did go to the U.S. Census Department of

21 Commerce to figure out where the veterans were

22 migrating to, the different states. I wanted to

23 make sure that when we do the downsize, it makes

24 sense.

25 REG V COM ADKINS: Right.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 32 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 NSD COLEMAN: It makes sense. So, we’re

2 going to track our footprint in states where

3 veterans are at a minimum, whether it’s Purple Heart

4 or just veteran claims. The states where we have a

5 large number of veterans, we want to make sure we

6 bulk up and get those taken care of.

7 REG V COM ADKINS: Yes, sir. Just to

8 reiterate, Mr. Nate Todd, the director of the

9 Arkansas Department of Veteran Affairs, stands ready

10 to assist MOPH in any way our state can.

11 NSD COLEMAN: I appreciate that. Thank

12 you, Commander.

13 NC GREENLAW: Yes, sir?

14 NI HUNT: Several questions. We have

15 offices that have been maintained at the VA hospital

16 in South Florida that were basically volunteers.

17 There was one paid Service Officer that is not being

18 paid now, but that office is self-funding. Is there

19 any reason why it should not continue to practice?

20 NSD COLEMAN: Okay, so this is a very, very

21 complex question, I’m going to answer as fast as I

22 can. Number one, as far as the VA is concerned,

23 OGC, you are actually advocating legal documents for

24 veterans. One, they have to be insured by us; two,

25 they have to be compensated to be insured by us; and

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 33 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 three, whether or not the offices are free, 95% of

2 our offices where our employees lie are free. This

3 is the give back from the VA to be their watchdogs

4 and for us to advocate.

5 So, we can continue to have the office,

6 that’s fine. But having someone that’s certified by

7 OGC, by the VA, is a whole different ballgame.

8 Getting someone to do it for free, which really --

9 as far as insurance policies are concerned, it just

10 can’t happen in that sense. In order for us to have

11 access to the VA system, to get a PIP card, we have

12 to meet certain criteria.

13 Currently, we do because everyone is

14 furloughed. But as soon as I lay everyone off, I’m

15 not sure we’ll be able to handle our credentials.

16 NI HUNT: Would you please give me the

17 definition of furloughed?

18 NSD COLEMAN: Furlough is when an

19 individual does not come to work, does not get paid

20 but they maintain benefits. At the time when the

21 furlough was initiated, the benefits were active.

22 They were not going to be paid during that time

23 under that impression. If we laid off the

24 individuals during that time, we have to pay out

25 about $350,000 within two or three days, which we

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 34 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 did not have. That is how that worked out and that

2 decision was made.

3 NI HUNT: Thank you. One more question on

4 that.

5 NSD COLEMAN: Yes, sir?

6 NI HUNT: What is the status of our appeals

7 at the board level?

8 NSD COLEMAN: The status of the appeals

9 now, the appeals -- the new AMA that was brought

10 into law last year went into effect February 19th,

11 2019. So, they have two systems of appeals. One is

12 the legacy program. These are actually appeals that

13 extend beyond five, ten years.

14 Then you have the new program with AMA

15 where they can actually appeal not just with a Form

16 9, but from an NOD level. If you’re looking at the

17 totals that we have because we’ve been knocking them

18 out, we have about 461 in circulation. I will say

19 approximately two-thirds of those would be

20 considered legacy, so they fall under a different

21 docket.

22 We’re trying to get some AODs, which is an

23 advancement of docket, the way you file it at the

24 board because it is still a court. We don’t control

25 how that works because the board has claims for

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 35 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 every veteran in the United States. When the judge

2 puts it on his docket, then we get notified and we

3 adjudicate it appropriately.

4 NI HUNT: Thank you, sir. Last question

5 and I’m going to sit down. Commander, I agree

6 wholeheartedly that our National Service Officer

7 Program has been outstanding as far as their

8 results. My question, however, is how can you keep

9 employees on a limb when there’s no revenue coming

10 to pay them? Thank you, sir.

11 NC GREENLAW: The simple answer to that is

12 we raise the revenue. I’m telling you that I’ve

13 been out there. There’s a lot of money. The Purple

14 Heart veteran is very hard to turn down and we rise

15 to the top at every meeting that I’m --

16 NI HUNT: But so far, sir, we’ve not

17 received any money and it’s hard to eat on dramatis.

18 NC GREENLAW: The money is frozen by this

19 lawsuit. Let’s not forget where the blame lies.

20 The blame lies with the Foundation. The Foundation.

21 If we had this money, we’d be status quo. Yes, sir?

22 DEPT COM G. THOMPSON: Before I start to

23 address you, I’m going to address him about the

24 furlough. My name is Gerry Thompson, District

25 Commander of the state of Kentucky.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 36 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 NC GREENLAW: Identify yourself please.

2 DEPT COM G. THOMPSON: I just did. The

3 definition of furlough is you go home and you don’t

4 get benefits. I’ve been a union member all my life.

5 I’ve been furloughed, I’ve been laid off, I’ve been

6 dogged off. I’ve never got anything. So that’s the

7 definition of a furlough and I know those people in

8 that office ain’t union, so don’t come up with no

9 furlough and you still get benefits.

10 NC GREENLAW: Do you want to address that?

11 NSD COLEMAN: That is not the legal

12 definition of a furlough.

13 DEPT COM G. THOMPSON: Oh, yeah, it is.

14 NSD COLEMAN: No, furlough --

15 DEPT COM G. THOMPSON: Yes, it is.

16 NSD COLEMAN: No, no.

17 DEPT COM G. THOMPSON: And get paid too,

18 you also put wages in there.

19 NSD COLEMAN: No, no, that’s not true.

20 Okay, we can just go back to the beginning of this

21 year when our federal government individuals --

22 employees were furloughed. They still had benefits

23 but they was not paid, okay?

24 We don’t have a measure where we have

25 crippled mass individuals here that work, like law

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 37 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 enforcement. So, if you look at your own federal

2 government, it’s defined by the federal government,

3 not by the states, right? The way it works is, when

4 you furlough individuals, you do not lay them off at

5 that time. The decision was made for this reason.

6 If you want to think about employment and

7 labor laws, you have, one, if you lay them off, you

8 have to pay them their last check, whatever benefits

9 they have, like a severance. Once you lay them off,

10 most states get you to the next pay period or up to

11 30 days. We have quite a bit of states where you

12 have to pay within 48 hours to three days.

13 We had a decision to make, a business

14 judgment ruled decision to either lay off everyone

15 or furlough everyone. To layoff at that time cost

16 us $350,000 and paid within seven to fifteen days.

17 By furloughing, we can push it down the line.

18 We was looking -- the decision was made

19 based on the court case that we was going to have

20 May 2nd, the injunction. The injunction was not

21 favorable and it changed the rules to the game.

22 Once that happened, the furlough was submitted by me

23 for 60 days to end June 29th. The reason why no

24 contact was made because no measure for economic

25 help was given out.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 38 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 I don’t have control of the purse strings.

2 I manage and I do what I can with what I have,

3 according to the Constitution and Bylaws and

4 according to federal law. See, when you have an

5 organization that’s in multiple states and other

6 U.S. territories, we are guided by federal law

7 because of the broad span of advocacy that we do in

8 this country.

9 So, as far as the furlough is concerned,

10 that is an administrative furlough that we actually

11 put out.

12 DEPT COM G. THOMPSON: Man, you just go on

13 and talk all you want to, but I know what a furlough

14 is. But now I want to talk to Mr. Greenlaw. We’ve

15 got a lot of problems here. When we leave here this

16 next three days, what I think we need to do is just

17 clean house, both sides. All these musical chairs

18 were -- everybody going to step up, they don’t need

19 to step up. We need to -- people here, if you

20 really want your organization to get back where it

21 needs to be, you need to get new people, period.

22 This thing ain’t just started this year, it

23 started several years ago. Every time that you get

24 a Commander, he always get -- who’s been the last

25 Commander and the Commander before and they suggest,

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 39 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 this is how I run it. This is how I run it and this

2 is how you need to run it, and it don’t work.

3 National Commander, when he’s on watch,

4 he’s the only asshole and that’s his decision. When

5 he steps off, he’s the daddy of it, not what

6 somebody else told him to do. That’s what’s

7 happened here just like with our Adjutant. They got

8 rid of him two years ago for problems and he comes

9 right around and he appoints him again, and then we

10 get all these problems.

11 Nobody like him. He’s arrogant, smart,

12 I’ll say ass because that’s exactly what he is. You

13 brought him on. I asked him, I said, “Why did you

14 do that?” He said, “Because the last two” --

15 NC GREENLAW: Your three minutes are up,

16 sir.

17 DEPT COM G. THOMPSON: “The last two

18 Commanders told me to,” but he done it anyway. They

19 can sit up there and lie all they want to about all

20 this money, but this is what’s happened.

21 But if you all love this organization like

22 I do, when we leave here today, we’re going to have

23 some new officers on both sides. We’re going to

24 bring this thing back --

25 NC GREENLAW: Sir --

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 40 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 DEPT COM G. THOMPSON: -- the way it should

2 be.

3 NC GREENLAW: Sir?

4 DEPT COM G. THOMPSON: We’re all brothers

5 and sisters here. We all shed blood.

6 (Gavel raps)

7 NC GREENLAW: Your three minutes are up,

8 sir. I’m sorry, and I appreciate your passion and

9 you’re 90% right.

10 DEPT COM G. THOMPSON: Well, you don’t want

11 to hear it, so that’s fine.

12 NC GREENLAW: I do care, I care a lot. I

13 care about this Order, I love this Order. Yes, sir?

14 DEPT COM CASSON: I have a couple of

15 questions. Somebody start the timer. Number one,

16 protected funds, why were they used? Number two --

17 write this down, you might need to. One is

18 protected funds, where are they and why?

19 Number two, this is going to sound trivial

20 but it’s not. Roger Newall was promised at last

21 year’s Convention in Spokane that he would get

22 funded at the ROTC for the things we give out.

23 Against my better judgment, I followed MOPH. At

24 that time, we were told we were going to get an

25 Adjutant who said, “I’m going to take a pay cut so

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 41 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 we could fund ROTC.” To date, Roger Newall, out of

2 his pocket, is somewhere around $1,320.

3 Now, you can write a check for $9,999.99.

4 Why don’t you just go ahead and cut that check for

5 Roger Newall for $1,320? Thank you.

6 NC GREENLAW: Yes, sir?

7 DEPT COM CUNNINGHAM: Is the gentleman

8 completed?

9 NA HERNANDEZ: Yeah.

10 DEPT COM CUNNINGHAM: Okay. There’s no

11 response? Okay. I have another question on

12 furlough and that question is directed towards Mr.

13 Coleman. In March of this year, you trained how

14 many MOPH NSOs down in Florida, sir? You can stand

15 at the mic because I’m going to ask a couple more

16 questions.

17 NSD COLEMAN: I trained 65.

18 DEPT COM CUNNINGHAM: Okay, you trained 65.

19 Okay.

20 NSD COLEMAN: That belongs to MOPH.

21 DEPT COM CUNNINGHAM: Shortly after that,

22 they were all furloughed. Is that correct?

23 NSD COLEMAN: They was furloughed on April

24 29th.

25 DEPT COM CUNNINGHAM: So a month later, a

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 42 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 month after that. Okay, now --

2 NSD COLEMAN: Approximately two months.

3 DEPT COM CUNNINGHAM: Not disagreeing with

4 the gentleman from Kentucky, but the definition of

5 furlough means that they’re on the rolls, they’re

6 not being paid. Is that correct?

7 NSD COLEMAN: Correct.

8 DEPT COM CUNNINGHAM: How many of those 65

9 that you trained are still on the rolls versus they

10 moved on to other jobs that were real jobs at the

11 time? How many of those 65 do you still have on

12 your rolls that you can bring back if the NSO

13 Program is financed at this Convention?

14 NSD COLEMAN: I can bring back 31.

15 DEPT COM CUNNINGHAM: Half?

16 NSD COLEMAN: Yes.

17 DEPT COM CUNNINGHAM: So we’ve got 4,000

18 NSOs or VSOs in this country and we’ve got 31 right

19 now that we can bring back?

20 NSD COLEMAN: Correct.

21 DEPT COM CUNNINGHAM: All right, that was

22 my question. Thank you.

23 DEPT COM BOKAN: My question is directed at

24 the National Service Director. I want to -- what I

25 was hearing, you had said about the insurance about

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 43 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 canceling the insurance, that we don’t have

2 insurance for our Service Directors. Well,

3 Pennsylvania, we have a fund that we put aside and

4 we kept it going. I just want to be clear on this,

5 so you’re telling me our insurance is no good for

6 them now, it’s finished? So we should actually get

7 another policy for them to protect ourselves?

8 NSD COLEMAN: Omission and errors policy,

9 we do have one for the Order, and this is to cover

10 our NSOs whether they’re in Michigan or Pennsylvania

11 or the other states. We have to pay that.

12 Now, as I said before, I don’t control the

13 purse strings. I can only relay a message to say

14 these debts have to be paid to cover us and our

15 organization.

16 DEPT COM BOKAN: Maybe you don’t understand

17 my question. My question is, as of right now, do we

18 have insurance or does the state of Pennsylvania and

19 anybody else that’s doing this have to pay that --

20 have to get another insurance policy or are we

21 covered?

22 NA HERNANDEZ: Sir, what do you mean by

23 insurance? There’s seven policies that we have.

24 DEPT COM BOKAN: He had said before about

25 insurance for our Service Officers should they make

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 44 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 a mistake and get sued.

2 NA HERNANDEZ: Here’s our insurance company

3 for all of it, here in the next couple of days, it

4 will expire. We’re hoping here at this Convention -

5 - I’ll go back to Region V Commander’s question, the

6 D&L policy. Let me just go real quick to that one.

7 That’s why it’s so important. I think Oklahoma --

8 and I’ll answer your question later, it’s very

9 important to everybody here because now you’re no

10 longer insured as an officer.

11 Unfortunately, this organization gets two

12 to three lawsuits a year amongst itself. We have

13 two, three active right now. Now what this means,

14 as of today unless we figure it out, you’re

15 personally responsible as an officer. The Service

16 Program, we’re under a different umbrella, different

17 policy, but the same organization.

18 Hopefully the question that will be

19 answered to you or the statement to you will be here

20 after lunch and I’ll have Clifton Agency that does

21 all our underwriting, are we insured? Right now,

22 it’s Chubbs, the largest insurance, they don’t want

23 to insure us, we’re too volatile and that word’s

24 being used so many times.

25 DEPT COM BOKAN: Okay, so my answer is that

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 45 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 as of lunchtime, we’re probably not?

2 NA HERNANDEZ: Correct.

3 DEPT COM BOKAN: And then we can take it

4 from there.

5 NSD COLEMAN: Roger that.

6 DEPT COM T. ANDERSON: Commander, I’ve

7 listened quietly to the questions, lots of valid

8 questions, good answers. The real problem is none

9 of this matters. None of this. We have to decide

10 where we’re going to get our funding from. If we

11 don’t have our funding, gentlemen, we have nothing.

12 We haven’t decided that. We talk around the issue.

13 The issue is and only issue is where’s the

14 money coming from? If we can say it’s going to come

15 because we’re going to work together with the

16 Foundation or we’re going to do this with a group --

17 we’ve heard comments about this grant money out

18 there. Minnesota, we’re becoming totally

19 independent for one reason, we don’t have stability

20 at National. We’re going to take care of ourselves

21 and we’re asking the same question, where is the

22 money? Where’s it coming from? We’re struggling

23 with this.

24 I think at this National level, we need to

25 find a way to make sure that this organization stays

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 46 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 viable. I’m neither left nor I’m right. I do the

2 follow the money thing, where’s the money? That’s

3 all I care about. If we can make it work with this

4 group or that group, I’m all for it. We’ve got to

5 find a way to bring the money in. Until we have an

6 honest discussion with all of us sitting there

7 bringing up ways. You throw it on the wall until it

8 hit and sticks. Then we’ve got something.

9 Right now, we can talk about this all we

10 want to, we’re just wasting time. We’re wasting

11 time. Thank you, sir.

12 (Applause)

13 NC GREENLAW: I can just answer that. I

14 agree with you. I agree with you 100%. I’ll tell

15 you who we’re not going to be funded by, the

16 Foundation. I’ll tell you who we will be funded by,

17 we’ll be funded by ourselves. We’ll split off our

18 own 501(c)(3). We’re going to win this lawsuit and

19 we’re going to go forward with corporate donations

20 and government grants.

21 All we need -- even Patriot Cherone brought

22 this budget up from $1.5 million. That’s feasible.

23 That’s feasible. That’s easy. That’s like one

24 sponsor. So what I’m telling you is, there is a lot

25 of money out there for the Military Order of the

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 47 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 Purple Heart, not the Foundation. We have a list

2 that we’re working on that when we win this lawsuit,

3 that money will be freed.

4 If asked, I will stick around and help on

5 the sidelines to close these deals. I can mention -

6 - which they don’t want me to do, I can’t mention it

7 publicly, but we have at least five corporations

8 right now that are very interested in helping us.

9 I was at a fundraiser, a third party

10 fundraiser, in May during Fleet Week. We raised

11 about $60,000. We haven’t received the money yet,

12 but it’s on the way. They’ve got the wiring

13 instructions, the money’s ready to come. It’s a

14 third party, so we can’t be accused of raising money

15 against the Foundation’s wishes.

16 At that meeting, when that was over, the

17 Fleet Week when the ships came in, we had a

18 breakfast meeting and I was approached by UBS. I

19 was approached by JP Morgan Chase. I was approached

20 by the Bank of New York Mellon that they want to

21 help us.

22 People -- the corporations are made up of

23 people. Without the people, they’re just pieces of

24 paper. These people have families and they all have

25 veterans in their families, at least an extended

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 48 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 range. If they don’t have them in their immediate

2 family, they have family members that are veterans,

3 cousins and uncles and so forth.

4 DEPT COM T. ANDERSON: I agree with that.

5 NC GREENLAW: They love us!

6 DEPT COM T. ANDERSON: We need --

7 NC GREENLAW: There’s government money --

8 DEPT COM T. ANDERSON: But we need --

9 NC GREENLAW: I’m confident --

10 DEPT COM T. ANDERSON: We need it in our

11 hand, the contract signed, we’re going to get this -

12 -

13 NC GREENLAW: The Foundation --

14 DEPT COM T. ANDERSON: -- much money.

15 Until we get that, it’s --

16 (Speaking over each other)

17 NC GREENLAW: -- if we were funded like

18 they promised. We have $6.4 million and we have our

19 $2.1 million and we’d be a status quo meeting.

20 DEPT COM T. ANDERSON: Sir, even if we win

21 the battle --

22 NC GREENLAW: What we --

23 DEPT COM T. ANDERSON: -- we won’t get any

24 money from them.

25 NC GREENLAW: What we do --

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 49 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 DEPT COM T. ANDERSON: Where’s the money

2 coming from?

3 NC GREENLAW: We’ll cut our expenses down

4 to a level that we can afford going forward. We

5 will raise the Service Officer Program up, which

6 I’ve been told by -- these are not my words. I’ve

7 been told by a corporate sponsor, “We will help you

8 rise from the ashes.” They’re out there.

9 DEPT COM T. ANDERSON: That’s good.

10 NC GREENLAW: Hey, I’m not -- why would I

11 stand here and lie about something like that? This

12 is the truth.

13 DEPT COM T. ANDERSON: I’m not saying that,

14 sir. I’m not saying you’re lying.

15 NC GREENLAW: Government funding is there

16 available. All we have to do is get it, but we

17 can’t get it during the middle of a lawsuit.

18 DEPT COM T. ANDERSON: Okay.

19 NC GREENLAW: These people have families,

20 they can’t afford to risk $500,000 or a million

21 dollars and have it go down in a lawsuit. They

22 could be fired. They’re protective of their own

23 space. Some of these companies are very political.

24 It is what it is.

25 So to answer your question, sir, and I’m

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 50 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 with you 100%, we spend what we’ve got. That’s what

2 we’ve been doing. We drove some debt up to save the

3 Order. It’s all been approved, it’s all been --

4 DEPT COM T. ANDERSON: Thank you.

5 NC GREENLAW: -- critically analyzed by the

6 police department, we’re fine. What we do is we go

7 forward and we’re going forward.

8 DEPT COM T. ANDERSON: Okay.

9 NC GREENLAW: I’ll give you my word that

10 this is going to happen. You watch. Watch. I get

11 kidded about my pipeline all the time. I try not to

12 use that word anymore, but we have people there that

13 are standing behind us.

14 DEPT COM T. ANDERSON: Okay, thank you,

15 sir.

16 NC GREENLAW: In the short run, we’ve got

17 problems.

18 NA HERNANDEZ: Commander, real quick, do

19 you want to continue with these last few Patriots

20 here and then go to lunch? We’re at the lunch

21 period.

22 NC GREENLAW: Yes, let’s -- we’ll do this -

23 - we’ll do these three and then we’ve got two or

24 three hours after lunch to go through more questions

25 if you have them.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 51 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 UNIDENTIFIED PATRIOT: I’d like to make a

2 motion that we recess for lunch and return at 1:30

3 to continue this discussion.

4 NC GREENLAW: Second? All in favor --

5 REG V COM ADKINS: I’ll second.

6 NC GREENLAW: -- Aye?

7 PATRIOTS: Aye.

8 NC GREENLAW: All opposed?

9 (No response)

10 (Gavel rap)

11 (Motion carried.)

12 UNIDENTIFIED PATRIOT: All right, I’ll keep

13 my question.

14 NA HERNANDEZ: Gentlemen, the lunch is --

15 yes, sir? It’s not a box lunch, it’s a deli style,

16 make your own sandwich. I don’t know exactly what’s

17 on the menu. It was the biggest bang for the buck,

18 so everybody can -- you don’t have to spend any

19 money. It’s part of the Convention cost.

20 Go outside, find out exactly what it is,

21 but it’s a deli style sandwich, make your own

22 sandwich thing. You know where it is.

23 NC GREENLAW: Be back here 1:30.

24 UNIDENTIFIED PATRIOT: All rise, face the

25 flag. Ready, two.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 52 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 (Lunch break.)

2 CREDENTIALS REPORT

3 NC GREENLAW: We have a Credentials

4 Committee. The Chairman is Chris Smrt, in addition

5 is Chuck Jackson, Region I; Billy Weldon, Region VI.

6 I’d like to go ahead and continue questions,

7 answers. Yes, sir?

8 PATRIOT SMRT: If I may add additional two

9 in order to be able to address, Bulldog Turner and

10 Patriot Sims. If you would add those two, that will

11 give us a four-person committee to be able to

12 account for everything and work any questions from

13 the floor. Would that be okay, Commander?

14 NC GREENLAW: What are the Regions please?

15 PATRIOT SMRT: Sims is III, Bulldog, Region

16 IV. So we have quite a complement in order.

17 NC GREENLAW: Okay, we’ve got Turner and

18 Sims added to that, yes.

19 PATRIOT SMRT: Thank you, sir.

20 NC GREENLAW: You’re welcome.

21 NATIONAL CHAPLAIN’S COMMENTS

22 NC GREENLAW: Yes, sir?

23 CHAPLAIN MILLER: Commander, as the

24 National Chaplain, growing up, I was given a lot of

25 inspiration and encouragement from people I really

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 53 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 respect. They told me to always do the right thing

2 at the right reason for the right time. I’ve always

3 practiced that and it works well.

4 I would like to see all of our Patriots in

5 here when they address other Patriots to address

6 them properly by calling them either Patriots or

7 Commander or Junior Vice or Senior Vice. Be

8 respectful for their office. You may not like the

9 individual, the individual may’ve done some bad

10 things.

11 The Commander and me have not always got

12 along together. I’ve called him on the carpet

13 numerous times when he was a Commander for me when I

14 was State Commander and Region Commander. I wasn’t

15 afraid to jump on him and he’ll vouch for that.

16 Ernesto is another one. I’ve had words

17 with him, but Ernesto is still my friend. Everybody

18 is my friend because, first of all, I’m a Christian.

19 Second of all, I’m a Purple Heart recipient and I

20 have the same thing in common with every Patriot in

21 here. I shed blood just like you did in a foreign

22 country for our country. I’m very proud that I was

23 able to do things like that.

24 So please, I would request all of us,

25 address them properly, respect the office that they

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 54 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 have. You may not like them but respect the office.

2 I didn’t like Jimmy Carter, the peanut man from

3 Georgia, but I respected him because he was

4 Commander In Chief and President of the United

5 States. I would encourage everybody to please do

6 that. Thank you, sir.

7 (Applause)

8 NC GREENLAW: Thank you. Thank you.

9 ROLL CALL

10 DEPT COM YELINEK: Commander --

11 NC GREENLAW: Hang on one second please.

12 We need to do a Roll Call. Is Jim Anderson here?

13 REG VI COM ANDERSON: Yes, sir.

14 NC GREENLAW: Should we do a Roll Call?

15 REG VI COM ANDERSON: Yes, sir.

16 NC GREENLAW: Yes?

17 REG VI COM ANDERSON: Roll Call needs to be

18 done anytime we go on recess other than going for

19 ten minutes.

20 NC GREENLAW: We’ll get to you in just a

21 minute. Thank you.

22 NA HERNANDEZ: Okay, we’re going to do Roll

23 Call like we did earlier, the same. The reason

24 being is we had some updates to the spreadsheet to

25 make sure that we account for everybody here. We’re

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 55 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 going to start with the National Officers. We’ll

2 start with Region I, and we’ll go II, III, IV, V, if

3 you just get ready here in a few minutes. Some of

4 this will go by quickly since I know who’s here.

5 Commander Greenlaw’s here, Commander

6 Garcia’s here, Rick Cherone’s here. Finance, NFO

7 Moore -- sorry, we’ll go by last names, Wallot’s

8 here, Flyr’s here, Pickart’s here, David Price,

9 excused; Gary Witt, excused; Bill Suhre, excused.

10 Richard Hunt is here. Nick McIntosh is

11 here. Matt Bridges, excused. Charles Eggleston is

12 here. Chris Vedvick is here. Commander Dismer’s

13 here. Commander Gasdek’s here. Commander Lazzaro’s

14 here. Commander Adkins, here; Commander Anderson is

15 here.

16 Frank Athanason is not here. Boyd Barclay

17 is here. James Blaylock is not here. James Durkin

18 is not here. Gober’s not here, Hems is not here,

19 Hudson’s not here, Little’s not here, McKenty’s not

20 here, Puskar not here, Randals not here, Roy’s not

21 here, Siebels is here, Silvano is not here, Sims is

22 here, Spinelli is not here, Fred Taylor is not here.

23 Van Ess is not here. Wroolie’s no longer an NEC

24 member.

25 Did I miss anybody from the National

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 56 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 Leadership except for Regions? Yes, sir?

2 UNIDENTIFIED PATRIOT: Past National

3 Commander Boyd Barclay is here.

4 NA HERNANDEZ: I did count him here, sir.

5 He’s here. So now I’ll start with Region I. Please

6 identify who you are. This will be the last Roll

7 Call -- or not the last count. For Region I,

8 Connecticut?

9 (No response)

10 NA HERNANDEZ: Connecticut, not here.

11 Delaware?

12 DEPT COM MORRIS: Gary Morris, Department

13 Commander.

14 NA HERNANDEZ: Massachusetts?

15 (No response.)

16 NA HERNANDEZ: Massachusetts?

17 (No response)

18 NA HERNANDEZ: Maryland?

19 (No response)

20 NA HERNANDEZ: Maryland? New Jersey?

21 (No response)

22 NA HERNANDEZ: New Jersey?

23 (No response)

24 NA HERNANDEZ: Northern New England doesn’t

25 exist. New York?

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 57 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 REG I COM EGGLESTON: New York is en route,

2 car broke down 15 minutes out.

3 NA HERNANDEZ: Roger, sir.

4 REG I COM EGGLESTON: So they’ll be there

5 shortly.

6 NA HERNANDEZ: Got it. En route.

7 Pennsylvania?

8 DEPT COM BOKAN: Frank J. Bokan, Commander.

9 NA HERNANDEZ: Virginia?

10 (No response)

11 NA HERNANDEZ: Virginia?

12 (No response)

13 NA HERNANDEZ: Virginia’s not here. Region

14 II? Region II, get up. Region III, if you can

15 start getting ready. We see a couple of people

16 left. Try to expedite this and utilize the time

17 wisely.

18 All right, Region II, Iowa?

19 (No response)

20 NA HERNANDEZ: Iowa?

21

22 DEPT COM HEIN: Iowa is present.

23 NA HERNANDEZ: Who are you, sir?

24 DEPT COM HEIN: Richard Hein, Iowa.

25 NA HERNANDEZ: Please identify who you are,

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 58 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 full name, for the recording. Illinois?

2 (No response)

3 NA HERNANDEZ: Illinois’s not here.

4 Indiana?

5 DEPT COM SHADOWEN: Commander Mike

6 Shadowen, Indiana.

7 NA HERNANDEZ: Kentucky?

8 DEPT COM THOMPSON: Gerry Thompson,

9 present.

10 NA HERNANDEZ: Michigan?

11 DEPT COM EATON: Robert Eaton, Department

12 Commander.

13 NA HERNANDEZ: Minnesota?

14 DEPT COM T. ANDERSON: Terry Anderson,

15 Department of Minnesota.

16 NA HERNANDEZ: Missouri?

17 DEPT COM SCHLEY: Walt Schley, Commander,

18 Department of Missouri.

19 NA HERNANDEZ: Nebraska?

20 DEPT COM JENSEN: Wade Jensen, Department

21 Commander.

22 NA HERNANDEZ: Ohio?

23 DEPT COM CUNNINGHAM: Tom Cunningham,

24 Department Commander, Ohio.

25 NA HERNANDEZ: Wisconsin?

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 59 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 DEPT COM GREENDEER: George Greendeer,

2 Department Commander, Wisconsin.

3 NA HERNANDEZ: West Virginia?

4 DEPT COM McCORMICK: James McCormick,

5 Department Commander, West Virginia.

6 NA HERNANDEZ: Region III, Alaska?

7 DEPT COM KNOTT: John Knott, Department

8 Commander.

9 NA HERNANDEZ: Dakotas?

10 UNIDENTIFIED PATRIOT: Ken Teunissen,

11 Department Commander, absent.

12 NA HERNANDEZ: Idaho?

13 UNIDENTIFIED PATRIOT: Idaho, Ned Barker,

14 Department Commander, absent.

15 NA HERNANDEZ: Montana?

16 DEPT COM GATLIN: Char Gatlin, Department

17 of Montana, title, chief space cadet.

18 NA HERNANDEZ: Oregon?

19 DEPT COM RUPP: Lawrence Rupp, Department

20 Commander, present.

21 NA HERNANDEZ: Washington?

22 DEPT COM OLIVAREZ: Robert Olivarez,

23 Department Commander.

24 NA HERNANDEZ: Wyoming?

25 REG III COM GASDEK: Barry Gasdek, Senior

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 60 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 Vice, Department of Wyoming.

2 NA HERNANDEZ: Sir, you’re here as a Region

3 Commander and a state?

4 REG III COM GASDEK: That is correct. I

5 will be voting with Wyoming.

6 NA HERNANDEZ: Roger, sir. You get that,

7 Credentials? Chris Smrt, did you get that?

8 Region IV, Alabama?

9 DEPT COM DAUGHERTY: Daugherty, Department

10 of Alabama.

11 NA HERNANDEZ: Florida?

12 DEPT COM VEDVICK: Vedvick, Department

13 Commander. I will be voting for Florida, not on

14 Publications.

15 NA HERNANDEZ: Georgia?

16 DEPT COM FLENER: Flener, Department of

17 Georgia, Commander.

18 NA HERNANDEZ: Mississippi?

19 DEPT COM BREAZEALE: Truitt Breazeale,

20 Mississippi, Department Commander.

21 NA HERNANDEZ: North Carolina?

22 DEPT COM EBERSBACH: Bill Ebersbach,

23 Department of North Carolina, the first Purple Heart

24 State.

25 NA HERNANDEZ: Puerto Rico?

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 61 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 (No response)

2 NA HERNANDEZ: Puerto Rico?

3 (No response)

4 NA HERNANDEZ: South Carolina?

5 DEPT COM LOPEZ: Carl Lopez, Department

6 Commander.

7 NA HERNANDEZ: Tennessee?

8 DEPT COM SHAW: Todd Shaw, Department

9 Commander of the Volunteer State that saved Texas’

10 butt.

11 NA HERNANDEZ: Region V, Arkansas?

12 DEPT COM FERGUSON: Cardner Ferguson,

13 Department Commander.

14 NA HERNANDEZ: Colorado?

15 DEPT COM ELIZALDE: Paco Elizalde,

16 Department Commander.

17 NA HERNANDEZ: Kansas?

18 REG V COM ADKINS: Department Commander,

19 Mike Callahan, absent/excused.

20 NA HERNANDEZ: Louisiana?

21 DEPT ADJ BROWN (Alt): Danny Brown,

22 Department Adjutant, delegate.

23 NA HERNANDEZ: New Mexico?

24 DEPT COM COMSTOCK: Pete Comstock,

25 Department Commander.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 62 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 NA HERNANDEZ: Oklahoma?

2 DEPT COM CASSON: Oklahoma, Department

3 Commander, Frank J. Casson.

4 NA HERNANDEZ: Texas?

5 DEPT COM LUNKWICZ: John Lunkwicz,

6 Department Commander.

7 NA HERNANDEZ: Region VI, Arizona?

8 DEPT COM McGLYNN: Arizona, Ed McGlynn,

9 Department Commander.

10 NA HERNANDEZ: California?

11 DEPT COM EARTHMAN: Charles Earthman,

12 California, Department Commander.

13 NA HERNANDEZ: Guam?

14 (No response)

15 NA HERNANDEZ: Guam?

16 (No response)

17 NA HERNANDEZ: Not here. Hawaii?

18 PATRIOT TANAKA (Alt): Tommy Tanaka, Past

19 Department Commander and a delegate.

20 NA HERNANDEZ: Yes, sir. Great seeing you

21 again. Nevada?

22 DEPT COM YELINEK: Len Yelinek, National

23 Commander (sic).

24 NA HERNANDEZ: Utah.

25 DEPT COM YELINEK: State Commander.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 63 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 NA HERNANDEZ:

2 DEPT COM GIBSON: Dee Gibson, Department

3 Commander.

4 NA HERNANDEZ: All right, that’s everyone.

5 ANNOUNCEMENTS

6 NA HERNANDEZ: Real quick, announcements,

7 you saw today the venue for the meals. Dinner will

8 be the same location. Every day it changes a little

9 bit. Tomorrow will be the same thing for lunch,

10 same thing for dinner. Wednesday, lunch and dinner.

11 Yes, sir?

12 NROTC OFF NEWALL: Point of Order.

13 National ROTC Officer, Roger Newall, was omitted

14 from the Roll Call this morning and this one this

15 afternoon, for the record.

16 NA HERNANDEZ: Sir, I think I omitted every

17 appointed Officer actually. Commander?

18 NC GREENLAW: Yes, sir?

19 PATRIOT SMRT: Point of Privilege,

20 Commander. If we could get representatives of

21 Louisiana, California, and Arizona to the

22 Credentials table? Louisiana, California, and

23 Arizona.

24 QUESTIONS FROM THE FLOOR (Continued)

25 NC GREENLAW: Yes, sir?

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 64 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 DEPT COM YELINEK: It seems to me part of

2 the lawsuit has to do with the ownership of the

3 trademarks. I’d kind of like a little history on

4 what the hell happened? Who authorized the

5 transfer? When was it done and what have you? Can

6 you give us a little breakdown? Thank you.

7 NC GREENLAW: Yes, sir, I’m glad you

8 brought that up. In my hands, I hold the licensing

9 agreement that was signed by the National Commander,

10 Commander Gober, and Mary Lou Keener. It’s dated

11 February 7th, 2017.

12 I have in this hand Exhibit D in the

13 lawsuit that has a very similar trademark service

14 license agreement, dated February 3rd, 2017. The

15 one that Patriot Gober signed earlier -- actually,

16 the date says later, but it’s very clear in my mind

17 -- and I have this blown up so you can take a look

18 at it if you’d like yourself. I was going to put it

19 up on there, but I don’t think it’s going to show.

20 The date in Commander Gober’s licensing

21 agreement was changed. In my opinion, looking at it

22 with a very powerful glass, it looks to me as if --

23 and I’ll put it out here if you’d like to take a

24 look at it yourself. It looks to me like the date

25 was changed from February 1st, 2017, to February

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 65 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 7th, ’17. It’s very clear that this date has been

2 changed. I’m not positive about moving it to the

3 7th. It looks like it to me.

4 It’s very clear when you look at it you can

5 see that something was erased and this date was put

6 in. Why Commander Gober’s signed agreement is

7 different than the final agreement that’s signed by

8 Mary Lou Keener and Chairman Wroolie.

9 PSVC MIDDLETON: Commander?

10 NC GREENLAW: Hang on a second. So I find

11 it very interesting and I’ve sent these two copies

12 to our lawyers for the lawsuit to find out exactly

13 why this date was changed. It’s positive that the

14 date was changed. Something was changed, you can

15 see the erasure. But I’m not sure about the date, I

16 can’t vouch for the date. It looks like it was

17 changed from the 1st, which would be before this

18 one, which makes sense because he and Commander

19 Gober and his wife, Mary Lou Keener, put this one

20 together. I would assume this one would be correct.

21 It’s different than Exhibit D.

22 I can’t go through it with you right now,

23 but in several ways, it’s completely different than

24 the actual exhibit they put in for the lawsuit. I

25 find this very curious and I’ll be real curious to

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 66 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 see if our lawyers can do a forensic look at this

2 date and explain to me why these two are different

3 in major, major ways.

4 If you’d like, I can give you an example.

5 Would like an example?

6 PATRIOTS: No.

7 PATRIOTS: Yes.

8 NC GREENLAW: Okay.

9 PSVC MIDDLETON: Commander, may I address

10 that?

11 NC GREENLAW: Example -- I’ve got the

12 floor, hang on a second. I’ll give you all the time

13 you need. In Article I, Paragraph 1.3 -- in the

14 original signed by Gober and Keener states, “The

15 license is limited to use of the license marks only

16 in connection with charitable fundraising for

17 specific projects.” The same paragraph in the

18 changed agreement, Article I, 1.3, it says here,

19 “The license is unrestricted in scope.” It was

20 restricted in the earlier one, but the one they

21 actually used for the court, it says, “The license

22 is unrestricted in scope.” That’s just one example.

23 I can’t go through the whole thing with

24 you, but there are changes in here and I’m curious

25 as to why this happened and why there’s a change of

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 67 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 date. Now, maybe you have an answer for that. I’d

2 like to hear it please. Go ahead.

3 PSVC MIDDLETON: Commander, the reason that

4 the dates are different is because at the Norfolk

5 Convention when that deal was hammered out and was

6 signed by Commander Gober at the time, days later

7 when we were able to view the document, when I was

8 reviewing it I found that there was a fatal flaw in

9 the document. It was unintentional and that is, in

10 the original documents they did not allow both the

11 National Commander, the Senior and the Junior Vice

12 Commander to have votes and a voice on the

13 Foundation Board.

14 That was an oversight that Jason Johns had

15 written in the agreement. That was not the intent

16 and it was agreed upon by Chairman Wroolie at the

17 time and Commander Gober at the time that that had

18 not been the intent of the agreement. They revised

19 the agreement, that paragraph, to reflect what had

20 been agreed on by both parties.

21 When it was resigned, it was several days

22 later. That’s the reason why the dates that you see

23 there have been changed because there was a fatal

24 flaw in the initial document that they signed. Both

25 parties agreed that that was not the intent and both

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 68 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 parties resigned the agreement at a later date.

2 NC GREENLAW: Hang on, I have a question.

3 Then why is Commander Gober’s signed on the 7th and

4 this one is signed on the 3rd?

5 PSVC MIDDLETON: The original one, I

6 believe, was signed on the 3rd and then the error

7 was found. It was resigned later.

8 NC GREENLAW: Yeah, but this is dated

9 earlier than this one. How can you find -- you have

10 to have ESP. That’s the question I’m asking. Why

11 is this one -- if this was signed -- this was signed

12 later, right? The --

13 PSVC MIDDLETON: The initial documents were

14 signed --

15 NC GREENLAW: The one signed by Wroolie was

16 done later, right?

17 PSVC MIDDLETON: Both of them resigned

18 later.

19 NC GREENLAW: No, this one was signed --

20 this one says on the 7th, this one’s on the 3rd.

21 PSVC MIDDLETON: Both of them signed both

22 documents at different dates.

23 NC GREENLAW: Not on my signature pages I

24 have here.

25 PSVC MIDDLETON: Well, the original is

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 69 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 signed by both of them.

2 NC GREENLAW: This is a copy of the

3 original, right?

4 PSVC MIDDLETON: I don’t know what you

5 have, sir.

6 NC GREENLAW: This is a copy of the

7 original.

8 PSVC MIDDLETON: I don’t know what you

9 have, but I know what happened.

10 NC GREENLAW: I have in my hands a copy of

11 the original. The one signed on the 7th -- excuse

12 me, on the 3rd was signed by Mary Lou Keener and

13 William Wroolie. The one signed on the 7th, a week

14 later damn near --

15 PSVC MIDDLETON: Of what year?

16 NC GREENLAW: -- was signed by --

17 PSVC MIDDLETON: Of what year? Mary Lou

18 Keener --

19 NC GREENLAW: Mary Lou Keener and --

20 PSVC MIDDLETON: Mary Lou Keener was simply

21 a member of the Board of the Foundation when the

22 initial Norfolk agreement was signed.

23 NC GREENLAW: I’m questioning the dates.

24 This date, February 7th, is obviously changed for

25 some reason.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 70 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 UNIDENTIFIED PATRIOT: What year,

2 Commander?

3 NA HERNANDEZ: Commander?

4 NC GREENLAW: Good question.

5 NA HERNANDEZ: May I make a statement, sir?

6 NC GREENLAW: Sure.

7 NA HERNANDEZ: Let’s go back to the

8 original question from the Patriot. Just hear me

9 out for a few -- I’ll be as brief as possible. The

10 medal that belongs to us, the members, who earned it

11 for the battles we scorn and wars, we own it. It

12 was given away 11 years ago, September 18th, 2008.

13 It was transferred from MOPH to the Foundation.

14 Look at the time, who’s the Commander, who’s the

15 Adjutant?

16 Go to the United States Patent and

17 Trademark Office, you’ll find the whole thing in

18 there, it’s in there. I tried to contest it.

19 Arthur and I missed it by a couple of days because

20 the day we were signed on contract at the

21 Headquarters of this year, we could contest it.

22 Every ten years, the patent needs to be renewed.

23 I’d ask the membership, how can 13 people

24 on the Foundation control 50,000, roughly, members

25 for the medal? That medal should belong to us, the

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 71 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 membership, and then we license it out to them. Do

2 you not agree, sir?

3 PSVC MIDDLETON: The agreement hammered out

4 at the Norfolk Convention --

5 NA HERNANDEZ: Sir, I’ll let you -- the

6 question --

7 PSVC MIDDLETON: No, the agreement said --

8 in the agreement, it states that another entity, an

9 LLC, will be formed, a holding company that will be

10 formed --

11 NA HERNANDEZ: Correct, sir --

12 PSVC MIDDLETON: -- to take care of the

13 medal.

14 NA HERNANDEZ: Mary Lou Keener’s on there.

15 She’s the one, the principle person in charge.

16 PSVC MIDDLETON: The initial agreement did

17 not specify who would be on that LLC. It simply

18 said there would be three members.

19 NA HERNANDEZ: All right, sir, I’ll tell

20 you who it is. We know it’s Mary Lou Keener, Jim

21 Blaylock, and Bill Hutton. Bill Hutton removed

22 himself.

23 PSVC MIDDLETON: Eventually, those are the

24 three that were selected to be on the LLC, that is

25 correct.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 72 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 NA HERNANDEZ: And that goes -- all right,

2 sir.

3 PSVC MIDDLETON: But the initial agreement

4 merely stated that an LLC will be formed consisting

5 of three persons, without naming who those persons

6 would be or the exact date and when the LLC would be

7 formed.

8 NC GREENLAW: I have one last question.

9 These are important documents. Were these voted on

10 by the NEC?

11 PSVC MIDDLETON: They were voted on by the

12 Convention.

13 NC GREENLAW: And the NEC had no previous

14 knowledge of this until the Convention?

15 PSVC MIDDLETON: The Convention overrules

16 the NEC. Convention is the final authority.

17 NC GREENLAW: But the NEC had no idea this

18 existed until the Convention. Wouldn’t you need a

19 vote from the NEC to even go forward with this?

20 PATRIOTS: No.

21 PSVC MIDDLETON: No. It merely needs to be

22 brought to the floor of the Convention for a vote.

23 NC GREENLAW: So you’re okay with this?

24 PSVC MIDDLETON: I don’t really know what

25 you have, I’m just telling you what the history is.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 73 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 NC GREENLAW: Are you okay with this?

2 PSVC MIDDLETON: I don’t know what “this”

3 is. I’m merely giving you a history of what

4 happened.

5 NC GREENLAW: This is a copy of the

6 original agreement and the changed agreement. Are

7 you in agreement with the change, Exhibit D?

8 PSVC MIDDLETON: I don’t know because I

9 don’t have it. I know I was not even a party to --

10 NC GREENLAW: This is a fake --

11 PSVC MIDDLETON: -- the negotiations at the

12 time.

13 NA HERNANDEZ: Sir?

14 PSVC MIDDLETON: Ernesto -- Patriot

15 Hernandez was a party to the --

16 NC GREENLAW: You’re for it?

17 PSVC MIDDLETON: I’m sorry, sir?

18 NC GREENLAW: I assume you’re for this

19 agreement. Our point is, it should be an illegal

20 agreement.

21 PSVC MIDDLETON: Sir, it doesn’t make any

22 difference whether I support it not, I was never a

23 party to it.

24 NC GREENLAW: You seem to be defending it.

25 PSVC MIDDLETON: I’m merely giving you a

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 74 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 history lesson.

2 NA HERNANDEZ: Commander Greenlaw --

3 NC GREENLAW: Thank you, I appreciate that.

4 PSVC MIDDLETON: You’re welcome, sir.

5 NA HERNANDEZ: Here is the history lesson,

6 there was three people from the Foundation in

7 Norfolk, three people from the Order. I was one of

8 them. Nobody else in this room was there. It was

9 Bob Puskar, myself, and Willie Nazzario. On the

10 other side, the Foundation, was John Agenbroad

11 sitting in the center, who is the Parliamentarian of

12 the Foundation, and it was Bill Wroolie, and it was

13 Bill Hutton.

14 When it was signed, who signed it? Bob

15 Puskar at the supreme body where we all clapped.

16 Remember? We on to the golf tournament except for a

17 few of us. That’s when it was signed and Bob Puskar

18 signed the initial contract. Whatever errors were

19 found, that should’ve been sent to the NEC, what

20 you’re saying, sir, then ratified at the following

21 Convention. That’s what happened.

22 NC GREENLAW: Any argument with that? Yes,

23 sir?

24 DEPT COM VEDVICK: I had a couple of

25 questions. One, I know the NSO Director stated that

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 75 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 the furlough ended on 29 June of 2019. It’s now

2 July. Are we now paying these individuals who were

3 furloughed their salaries and -- or have they been

4 laid off?

5 My next question is, talking about

6 trademarks, we’re over here talking about getting

7 our trademarks back, but we are perfectly happy,

8 complicit with giving our trademarks away to the

9 Purple Heart Store for nothing. We get zero dollars

10 from Phil, from that store to our Order. We’re over

11 here griping about money? We’re crying about money,

12 but you guys don’t want to get money from the one

13 guy who’s taking money from you.

14 (Applause)

15 DEPT COM VEDVICK: We must require that any

16 sale that has our trademark in it, any sale, there

17 has to be some sort of percentage that comes back to

18 the Order, period. These days of handshake deals

19 with vendors and allowing them free travel, free

20 rooms, free advertising in our magazine, that has to

21 end. That kind of business has no place here for

22 this Order. We’re scrounging for money. You’re

23 over here hitting us up for money, we’ve got to find

24 money. We’ve got money, get it from them.

25 All right, last thing. My only other

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 76 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 concern this entire year isn’t about fundraising.

2 Look, we’ve all tried to fundraise in our own ways.

3 Some of us are successful, some have failed. I can

4 stand before you and say that I have failed more

5 than I succeeded, but I continue to try.

6 Sir, I understand that you’ve tried to

7 raise funds and that has not been as successful as

8 you’d hoped it would be this year. I can take that

9 on face value. The problem that Florida has is the

10 continued expenditure above what you were receiving

11 each year. This past year has put us in such a deep

12 debt that we are tapping into the Life Membership

13 Fund.

14 When we start tapping into that fund, we

15 will be in the same spot that the Foundation

16 currently is with zero capital or principle to -- in

17 order to build upon for the next year. That’s all I

18 have, sir. Pending your answer from the NSO on the

19 staff.

20 NC GREENLAW: Thank you.

21 DEPT COM VEDVICK: Do you want me to

22 restate that question? The first question was, the

23 furlough ended on -- I ask the NSO Director, the

24 furlough ended on 29 June 2019.

25 NA HERNANDEZ: I got your second question

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 77 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 and I’ll turn it over to Arthur. Let me explain on

2 the funding. Rewind one year ago, take it to March.

3 Certain people in here were in the room, you found

4 out that your budget was reduced from $6.4 million

5 to roughly $2.8 million, right? There was a big

6 scare, this and that went on. The media took on,

7 you have a Service Officer going on TV and, guess

8 what? The Foundation came back and said, you’re

9 lying, we never said that, and there was no trail of

10 it. It was a scare.

11 So for us, we reduced -- the one thing

12 nobody’s talking about is the contracts that we got

13 rid of. The website that we have held their feet to

14 the fire that we paid $58,000 for, this wasn’t me,

15 this was prior. So we did our due diligence, sir.

16 So we never received anything in writing from the

17 Foundation to say, hey, your budget is going to be

18 reduced.

19 I even sent an email to the Finance

20 Committee. I never received an email saying it was

21 reduced. Our concern was, here we do a Chicken

22 Little threat and they come back and say, nope,

23 here’s your money. Guess what? We’re back in the

24 situation that we did a year ago.

25 We reduced a lot of funding, a lot of

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 78 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 spending. I mean, as much as rumors are out there,

2 I’ll be happy to talk to you at any point and show

3 you the numbers anytime. I’ll be happy to sit down

4 with you and the committee that came down and looked

5 at our books. Let’s go over them. Let’s do it

6 live.

7 DEPT COM VEDVICK: Sir, we agree with you.

8 The State of Florida agrees that the Foundation has

9 failed us in funding. That is a fact. Nobody’s

10 disputing that fact. We are all in agreement that

11 we are not being funded as per what our requirement

12 is. Nobody disputes that.

13 The only dispute is our budgeting after

14 that fact. Even after a couple of months in when we

15 were like, all right, look, we’re only going to get

16 X-number of dollars, something drastic has to

17 happen. When we start talking about -- people get

18 emotional about losing the NSO Program, that’s a

19 false narrative because currently several

20 Departments will be funding those NSO Programs

21 through grants through their states or self-funding

22 it.

23 That program will exist in a smaller

24 fashion, regardless of how we continue to fund it.

25 That’s just what I’m trying to get across. Thank

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 79 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 you.

2 NSD COLEMAN: I think I answered this

3 before. He is partly correct. We’re -- it will be

4 a diminished advocacy footprint here as far as our

5 organization is concerned. But this is the issue,

6 the states that we have contracts with, it’s a

7 reimbursement contract. It is not a contract they

8 pay prior to the services being performed.

9 In other words, we have to have the funds

10 first and then once we pay the individuals, then

11 they reimburse us with reports of things that we

12 have accomplished advocating for veterans. That is

13 the way it works.

14 So, regardless if we go out here and get

15 these grants, the first thing we need to do in this

16 situation is figure out if we’re going to have the

17 money just to deal with the contracted states and

18 the granted states. As I said before, I don’t

19 control the purse strings. From my understanding,

20 the Foundation has been controlling the purse

21 strings for about 60 years.

22 When you actually fund an organization and

23 you’re mandated to do that because they are supposed

24 to be subordinate to us. They are a subsidiary of

25 our organization who gained power over a number of

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 80 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 years. Saying that without any notice, we went from

2 receiving $533,000 a month to $25,000 a month. This

3 is crazy.

4 Even if we wanted to downsize, you don’t

5 have the personnel to downsize properly. I have

6 forwarded an email to the National Commander as well

7 as the Senior Vice and Junior Vice with a plan to

8 downsize our advocacy footprint across the nation.

9 It takes six to seven months to adjudicate not just

10 a claim but to deal with the claims that’s in the

11 circuit as well as picking up the PPI, which is the

12 personal information documents at these offices that

13 we’re going to shut down.

14 I get calls from Department Commanders and

15 Department Adjutants about this paperwork. The

16 membership does not have the authority to go and

17 take those documents. Now, I can task them to do

18 that but I will have to get with the RO. They would

19 still have to have someone there and has to be

20 shredded.

21 We are in a digital system. The VA is no

22 longer paper. It’s paperless now. Most of the

23 documents we have are scanned in. If we want to fix

24 this and to minimize our footprint, we’re going to

25 need funds for six or seven months just to either

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 81 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 downsize or close the program so none of the

2 veterans that we support will have any harm. Either

3 you do nothing and have harm or you do something to

4 mitigate this harm. That’s what I want to do.

5 I’m trying to mitigate potential litigation

6 that we can have for missed dates, for cases that

7 has to be adjudicated. That’s where we at now.

8 What this Patriot has said is very much correct, but

9 we still need funds just to do the minimum.

10 REG V COM ADKINS: Just to reiterate what

11 he said, our NSO passed away. If he were to task us

12 to come down to the office in North Little Rock to

13 recover some of that, the Department of Arkansas

14 bought the computer and a lot of the software and

15 equipment that was actually being used in that

16 office. So we would like to get it back.

17 The hard drive, because of HIPAA and the

18 Privacy Act of 1974, as amended to 2011, would

19 actually require the VA to take that hard drive out

20 and keep it because of the information that’s on it.

21 We would get the shell back. Personally don’t have

22 a problem with that.

23 Now to the other thing. Chris Vedvick

24 talked about getting out there and fundraising.

25 He’s been successful in some areas and unsuccessful

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 82 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 in others. Same way within the Department of

2 Arkansas and other Departments within Region V.

3 How many of you all know who Freddy Simon

4 is? Freddy Simon is a Purple Heart recipient and a

5 member of MOPH and is the founder of Freddy’s Frozen

6 Custard and Steak Burgers. Up until about two years

7 ago, his company donated a sizeable amount of money

8 every year to the Foundation. You know why he

9 stopped? Because we’re discussing it in this room.

10 When you hear Commander Greenlaw saying

11 that money’s been frozen in the pipeline, that’s

12 true. I went to Freddy’s and tried to see if we

13 could get them to donate, but they won’t. They

14 won’t come back and touch it.

15 There are things that you can try at the

16 local level to experiment with and see if you can

17 work up to the National level. Everybody knows what

18 7 August is, right? On 7 August, Slim Chickens, an

19 Arkansas based restaurant chain, all eight

20 restaurants in Northwest Arkansas are going to

21 donate 15% of their sales to Chapter 460, my

22 Chapter. My Commander’s sitting over there. We’ve

23 got to meet with them here in a couple of weeks to

24 finalize a couple of details for that day.

25 I want to experiment with that at the local

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 83 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 level and see if we can get it next year because

2 Slim Chickens has gone international. Maybe we can

3 get them to do a national fundraising thing on 7

4 August in the future to help raise funds for the

5 Order. Those are the things that you’ve got to

6 start looking at when we start talking about raising

7 funds. That’s all I’ve got. Thank you, sir.

8 NC GREENLAW: Thank you. Sir?

9 REG IV COM LAZZARA: Commander, you stated

10 before that we’re going to become a 501(c)(3). If

11 we do that -- we went through this before. If we do

12 that, then Aleks Morosky can’t do his thing up on

13 the Hill. How is that possibly going to work for

14 us? If we’re a 501(c)(19), the big companies that

15 you’re talking about, they’re not going to give us

16 anything because they can’t write it off.

17 I’m just curious how you’re going to change

18 to a 501(c)(3) or is it going to be both? Those are

19 your own words.

20 NC GREENLAW: Yeah.

21 REG IV COM LAZZARA: You can’t do that.

22 NC GREENLAW: From what I understand, you

23 can do that. You can have a 501(c)(3) and a (19).

24 That’s what I’m told. Yes, sir?

25 DEPT COM COMSTOCK: I’ve got two things I

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 84 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 want the body to think about because work we’re

2 doing today and what we’re doing the next few days I

3 think are important. The first is, what is our

4 short term goal? What are we supposed to be doing

5 between now and September -- the court date? What

6 are we supposed to be doing? What are we supposed

7 to be telling our membership?

8 The second one is a long term goal, how do

9 we get back the Service Program? How do we funds

10 ourselves? I haven’t heard anybody say what the

11 goals are. We’ve got, we might do this, we might do

12 that, the other. When I go back to the membership,

13 I want to tell them what we’re planning on doing. I

14 haven’t heard what the short term goal is, short

15 term between now and the court time, and the long

16 term goal, which is going to be the next officers.

17 They’re going to say what they’re going to say.

18 Unfortunately, we make a lot of decisions

19 before they ever take place and they have to live

20 with them. So I think we need to be talking about

21 those two goals. Thank you.

22 NC GREENLAW: Well, what I can say, as I

23 said earlier and I have right here as a Board Member

24 of the Foundation during my tour as National

25 Commander, I can tell you that the Foundation is not

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 85 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 planning on funding us. You can’t see this, I’ll

2 leave it down here. You can take a look at it

3 yourself. These are not my numbers, these are the

4 Foundation numbers.

5 When you look down, you can see all the

6 red. You can probably see the red from where you

7 are. That means that they’re negative. They have

8 revenue and expenses. In the expense line where it

9 says funding the Military Order of the Purple Heart,

10 as a Board Member, I receive these numbers for our

11 information before the May 9th -- last month’s --

12 May 9th -- two months ago, the May 9th Board Meeting

13 in Atlanta -- they held in Atlanta where they flew

14 everybody in from all over the country and had a

15 nice hotel, paid for all of that.

16 The Leadership did not go to that meeting.

17 We called in on the phone. The numbers that they

18 sent me in my board book, this is a copy, it has

19 zero funding all the way across the year. From

20 March to February 2020, zero.

21 Now, as an experienced board member myself,

22 having run three public companies, I can tell you

23 that when a CFO puts together the board book, these

24 numbers are honed and polished. They come out

25 exactly to the right numbers. This one does, it all

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 86 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 adds up, so I knew when I received this, this is

2 their real number, zero.

3 One hour before the Board meeting, I get

4 another one. In that, they have $25,000 across

5 instead of zeros. We all know the real intent, the

6 real desire, was to fund us for zero through

7 February 2020, at least, and probably forever on.

8 That was their real intent because this is an

9 obvious zero all the way across. It couldn’t be a

10 mistake, there’s no way it could be a mistake.

11 Someone got to the Foundation and said, my

12 god, you’ve got to put something in there. You

13 can’t just put zero, that’s un-funding. So they put

14 in $25,000. It may as well been one dollar with the

15 effect that it had on our overall existence.

16 I heard -- I think I can say this and if I

17 shouldn’t say it, I’m going to say it anyway. I

18 heard their lawyer, the Foundation’s lawyer, say,

19 “In the contract it doesn’t say that we have to fund

20 any particular dollar amount. We can fund any

21 dollar amount we want as long as we use the word,

22 fund.” I heard a very important person say, “That

23 means you’re telling me that if the Foundation

24 funded you one dollar that would be called funding.

25 Is that correct?” Dead silence. Shuffle, shuffle,

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 87 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 shuffle, “Well, I guess I have to say that, yes, one

2 dollar would be funding.”

3 This number, to me, the original number of

4 zero is where their true heart was and their intent

5 in taking care of their MOPH. I restate, all of

6 this back and forth that we’re having is terrible

7 and it hurts. I’ll tell you what, it’s all because

8 of this Foundation. This Foundation has failed.

9 I could go deeper about some of the calls I

10 get from their revenue sources. I forced my way in

11 with meetings. I got a meeting with Ruckman, the

12 CEO of the Foundation who’s not a Purple Heart

13 recipient, he’s not even a veteran. We’ll put that

14 aside. But I demanded to see the car program

15 contracts and the thrift store contracts, thick

16 contracts.

17 I sat in their conference room for three

18 hours and I read both of those contracts. Let me

19 tell you, I don’t care what you hear, you can hear

20 the truth from me, from my eyes, not a third party,

21 my eyes. I witnessed the fact that two of those

22 contracts are the worst contracts you could ever

23 imagine. I’m thinking, who in the hell negotiated

24 these contracts?

25 Let me give you an example. The thrift

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 88 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 store contract, there’s no reporting set up to

2 evaluate the money -- the reasoning behind the

3 checks we get from the thrift stores. All we get is

4 a check, period. No validation of what that money

5 was worth. Even worse than that, it’s done by

6 weight. The thrift store clothing and whatever they

7 have is done by weight. A mink coat is worth

8 exactly the same as a pile of rags. There’s no way

9 to evaluate how much that we’re getting, what the

10 true value is.

11 What’s even worse than that, the numbers,

12 the Foundation receives out of one -- every dollar,

13 the Foundation receives 15%. The thrift stores

14 receive 85%. Who negotiated that contract? It’s

15 ridiculous. Usually when these deals are done, you

16 give them a little more. The thrift stores should

17 be 55%, we get 45%. But 85% and 15% is ridiculous,

18 and that means millions of dollars.

19 I am so upset with the Foundation. I have

20 a hard time keeping my temper. All of this that

21 we’re going through right now is 100% the fault of

22 our Foundation. We’ve got to hold their feet to the

23 fire. We’ve got a lawsuit coming up and the other

24 side does not want this lawsuit. They tried to

25 settle and I’m willing to settle. What are we

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 89 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 settling? They wanted to mediate. What are we

2 mediating? Are you paying us or not? What do we

3 mediate? You pay us half, you pay us a little, you

4 pay us a dollar? So there’s really nothing to

5 mediate.

6 So we’re going to court on the 23rd of

7 September and we’re going to win that case. I just

8 have one simple answer to our problem. Is Dennis

9 here, Dennis Wallot?

10 NFC CHAIR WALLOT: Yes, sir.

11 NC GREENLAW: Dennis, when I first met you,

12 you said, “Here comes another National Commander.”

13 That’s true, come in and out in a year. You said

14 something to me that I never forgot and it’s

15 absolutely correct. You said, “There’s nothing

16 wrong with organization that $10 million wouldn’t

17 solve.” That’s correct. We don’t have the $10

18 million. We don’t have the $6.4 million. We don’t

19 have $1 million. We don’t have $500,000 from our

20 Foundation. Maybe we will this year, they’re

21 planning on giving us $600,000 for the whole year.

22 We have a $7.2 million budget submitted to them and

23 they’re trying to get us to cut our expenses down to

24 $600,000. That’s ridiculous.

25 I’m sounding like a broken record, but it’s

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 90 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 their fault. We’re surviving here the best we can

2 and we’re making decisions. Maybe in retrospect,

3 they’re the wrong decisions but at the time with the

4 information we had and the money we had on hand, we

5 decided to go into debt. I approved those deals.

6 By the way, those overdrafts with the bank,

7 with PNC Bank, those were approved by the bank. I

8 was on the phone, they approved those overdrafts.

9 It wasn’t like we just did it. We couldn’t do it

10 without the bank’s approval for that kind of money.

11 It is what it is. We did the best we could do at

12 the time under the circumstances we were in and the

13 information we had at hand. Yes, sir?

14 DEPT COM McCORMICK: In West Virginia and

15 pretty much all of us have followed this email

16 traffic. I’m looking at this from the position of,

17 okay, I know that the Foundation has failed us. I

18 don’t think there’s anybody in here that disagrees

19 with that, that there’s an issue with the

20 Foundation. But if we fail as an Order from this

21 day forward, it is on us because we do not adjust

22 fire, shift fire, move in the direction that you

23 need to move and go and engage and destroy the enemy

24 by the use of fire maneuver.

25 Now that is me coming out here saying, as a

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 91 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 business owner, if I ran my business like the

2 Foundation runs things or even like we run things

3 sometimes, folks, we would be bankrupt. We’re there

4 now. No disagreement on the Foundation. How do we

5 move forward?

6 I’ve sat, I’ve listened, I’ve looked at

7 this. There’s a lot of financial irresponsibility

8 and it’s not any one person’s fault. I don’t think

9 there’s a person in this Order that wants to see the

10 Order fail. I believe with all my heart that

11 everyone wants to see us succeed, no matter what our

12 differences are, no matter where we’re from. We

13 have to figure out a way to pick it up move forward.

14 How do we do that?

15 Here’s some things that I listened to,

16 sustainability. We have to come up and run the

17 order like a business, a sustainable business. This

18 whole thing -- when I heard the thing about the

19 thrift store, I just laughed because we run a

20 consignment shop that’s very similar. We run a

21 consignment shop, not a thrift store. I would’ve

22 loved to have had that. That was a sweet deal to

23 get 85%. We pay our consignees 60%, we keep 40% and

24 we still make it.

25 You know what? We go through all of these

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 92 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 things, like you’re talking about the weight. That

2 400 pounds might be 400 pounds of Tiffany lamps that

3 are antiques that are worth the $10 million that you

4 need to get to where we’re going. How do we get

5 there?

6 We are all smart enough and we are all

7 adult enough that we can come together and come up

8 with a plan of action. Sustainability, live within

9 our means if not under our means. I would love to

10 go to Hawaii every year and I’m sure my wife would

11 love that, but we’re only going to be able to do it

12 about once in our lifetime because we have eight

13 kids and three grandchildren.

14 Thinking about the sustainability and the

15 survivability of the Order after we’re gone, what

16 are we going to leave? What are we going to be

17 remembered for? The other thing is relevancy,

18 folks. We have to come up with some kind of a way

19 that says we are the Military Order of the Purple

20 Heart, we are relevant because.

21 Our NSO Program, we’ve got to have a

22 National Service Officer Program of some sort. It

23 may not be the same thing that we used to have, but

24 if we don’t have something, then we better have

25 something else that makes us relevant.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 93 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 When you’re talking about nonprofit status,

2 instead of being a lobbyist, be an advocate. I ran

3 a national advocacy program, 78,000 members. You’ve

4 seen me out here doing the vets for energy thing.

5 78,000 veterans and not one of them was a registered

6 lobbyist and we got every piece of legislation we

7 ever want to get passed. That’s how you do that

8 because of reality, being real.

9 Chapters make it happen. Ultimately, we

10 can have the strongest national organization, but if

11 our Chapters don’t have members, if our Chapters

12 aren’t active, if our Chapters aren’t funded, if our

13 focus is not on making the Chapters relevant, we

14 will fail. I’ve never seen a division command

15 section win the war without the platoons and the

16 squads moving forward to do what needed to be done.

17 (Applause)

18 DEPT COM McCORMICK: Last thing, what are

19 we going to be remembered for? Are we going to be

20 remembered for the people that lost the Order that’s

21 been around since 1932? We need to run this Order

22 like a business. We need to have relevancy.

23 Ladies and gentlemen, Patriots, I love each

24 and every one of you. If I didn’t, I would tell you

25 that. I’m not here to fight with you. The emails

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 94 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 that I sent out are not designed to slap people or

2 make people feel bad. They are sincere, legitimate

3 questions because I have two sons that are serving

4 right now. God forbid, if one of them ends up in

5 this Order and stand here ten years from now

6 listening to the same stuff that I’m listening to,

7 would break my heart. Thank you.

8 (Applause)

9 NC GREENLAW: Thank you. Hang on one

10 second. Go ahead.

11 NA HERNANDEZ: Ladies and gentlemen, I just

12 want to go over a few things from this morning and

13 then I think it’s a perfect segue because I had a

14 great conversation with the gentlemen wearing the

15 hat back there, the red hat, about going forward.

16 First, let me start with a few

17 clarifications and a little bit of what I’ve seen.

18 Let’s figure out the path of success or the path way

19 ahead to move forward. First one, it was brought up

20 earlier the finance -- I’m going to go back a little

21 bit. The Finance Committee that American Express,

22 these accounts, these accounts, the access. I don’t

23 have access to any of those accounts whatsoever as

24 well. I want to put that on the record.

25 Secondly, it was brought up about using the

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 95 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 building’s equity and the Finance Committee has a

2 $2,700 bill for the appraisal. If you know any kind

3 of contract you enter into, anything over $500,

4 anything over one year in duration must be in

5 writing. I would ask the Finance Committee to

6 please show us who signed off on that appraisal

7 because if that is the case they’re charging us,

8 that’s on them. We shouldn’t be paying that bill.

9 They’re a bank, they’re a financial institution.

10 A couple of things here, I’ll go as quick

11 as possible. The funds, why did some of the

12 restricted funds get comingled? Well, when I came

13 onboard, it was 19 different accounts to protect the

14 dollars. It was switched to three accounts. So you

15 need to go back to a different methodology so you

16 know everything is separated so it’s protected so

17 money doesn’t get expended when it shouldn’t get

18 expended.

19 We were in a situation of, hey, money has

20 to be paid out, especially for the payrolls. ROTC,

21 the reduction that Arthur took and I took, that paid

22 for all the medals for two years. It paid for John

23 Lloyd to come back and correct the system that

24 failed us. Remember you couldn’t log on to your

25 member logon? It’s called spaghetti coding. Anyone

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 96 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 in the room that knows -- a few of you that are

2 saying coding, either Fortran or Pascal, he had to

3 redo it from backwards. He was the only guy who had

4 the knowledge. So that paid for those portions.

5 Let’s go to Foundation. I’m going to stop

6 slamming the Foundation. True, we’re all tired, I’m

7 tired of saying it. The Foundation right now has an

8 agreement with us. They would fund themselves

9 first, then the Order, then the debts they owe. For

10 us to live in a beltway circle, we do this a lot, we

11 do this for a living. We go out there, a lot of

12 meetings, a lot of stuff that we hear. They are

13 paying their creditors.

14 Charles Eggleston, one of the greatest

15 Patriots, him and I had a little falling out, but it

16 is what it is, kind of like what McCormick

17 mentioned. But he knows the circuits we run around.

18 The Foundation does have money and they’re paying

19 bills.

20 Now, the one thing that I’ve noticed is

21 before -- and if you don’t mind, Chaplain, if we can

22 maybe get gentleman in the red hat here in a second

23 because I think it’s going to be a perfect segue.

24 But the thing that I’ve noticed is very few people

25 really read what’s in front of you. I’m going to

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 97 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 give you an example.

2 The agreement for the attorneys that

3 represent the Order, stay away from names, who

4 really, truly read every page of it? You don’t have

5 to raise your hand. I can say I did. Here’s why

6 that I know for a fact that many of you didn’t read

7 it. If you read on there, it is pro bono to $1,000

8 a month. $1,000 a month. Actually, I agree with

9 it, don’t get me wrong. This thing needs to go

10 forward especially with that in light.

11 You need to win, get the trademark back,

12 get the medal back within the Order. There’s stuff

13 out here the Commander not discussing, the

14 Department of Army is involved as well, and OFD is

15 involved. There’s more coming out to this.

16 With that, I think -- Patriot Flyr, you

17 came up before we started this meeting. I think you

18 said it best, “How do we get out of this mess? What

19 do we do going forward?”

20 I don’t know if you mind, Chaplain, if you

21 could just jump in front real quick so we can look

22 at that next, what do we do to move forward? How do

23 we -- you know we’re supposed to have civility,

24 excuse me with this one, how do we un-fuck this and

25 go forward? All right, sir.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 98 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 NC GREENLAW: Swore with the Chaplain

2 standing right in front of him.

3 CHAPLAIN MILLER: Commander, I just have a

4 question to ask, not as the Chaplain but as the

5 Chief of Staff of Chapter 402, the largest Chapter

6 in South Carolina at Fort Jackson. Why was it that

7 the rumors have come out that the ladies were

8 totally funded but yet we were not funded by the

9 Order? Why is that? That’s my question.

10 NC GREENLAW: You have to ask the

11 Foundation. You have to ask the Foundation that.

12 First of all, their funding level is a lot lower and

13 they can probably afford to do it. Keep in mind,

14 when I said they spent $24.2 million to make $25

15 million, there’s $800,000 there they have to float,

16 not to mention what they can take out of the revenue

17 stream to rob Peter to pay Paul, which they’ve been

18 doing all the way back for years. It is what it is.

19 They have $800,000 to play with and what’s

20 that, you know? A couple hundred thousand, $150,000

21 a month, whatever it is. It’s not much but it’s a

22 little and they’re doling it out. They may be doing

23 more revenue now than I know about. I’m on the

24 Board and I don’t hear anything. I don’t hear

25 anything from anybody ever.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 99 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 It’s a sad situation, but this lawsuit is

2 coming and we’re going to win it, we’re going to get

3 all of our rights back into the Order. The

4 Foundation’s going to go off on their own and try to

5 raise money. Our long term solution is to raise our

6 own funds from friendly corporations, high net worth

7 individuals, and government grants and other grants

8 that we can find along the way.

9 I can tell you one thing, USAA Insurance

10 sent me an email with three grants that we can apply

11 for with them. They said usually it’s a couple

12 hundred thousand per grant. That’s $600,000 right

13 there. They’ve gone quiet on me because of this

14 lawsuit, but it’s there and we have others. We have

15 some big fundraisers in New York City that invite

16 very few veteran organizations in along with their

17 others. We’re on the top of the list.

18 There’s a lot of money out there. We can

19 raise our own money. I’ve seen it, and I know you

20 haven’t seen the dollars you wanted to see. Neither

21 have I, but this lawsuit has stopped us in our

22 tracks. We’re not going to get much. We can

23 trickle it in here and there like we got $60,000

24 coming from the Dolphin Fund for the Fleet Week

25 promotion we did. That’s not much, but it’s a help.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 100 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 We can trickle it in, but the big money is

2 out there waiting. If you don’t believe me, just

3 wait until after the lawsuit, you’ll see. Yes, sir?

4 DEPT COM GATLIN: I’m not as eloquent as

5 some of my colleagues and most of you that know me

6 know I’m pretty blunt and direct. First and

7 foremost, I’ve been looking at this picture behind

8 you the entire time and thinking how I would take

9 that objective, using like a combined arms, joint

10 service approach.

11 If you have documents, and you keep talking

12 about them -- and none of this requires a response,

13 by the way. Please make them available so we can

14 see them or put them up on the big screen.

15 Secondly, the Foundation doesn’t affect us

16 out in Montana. I’m tired of talking about them. I

17 get they screwed up, I get they failed, I get it.

18 I’m sure this gentleman’s going to say behind me and

19 I’m sure the Adjutant did. Kind of move forward.

20 We’re just sounding like a broken record.

21 I disagree to some extent with the

22 Chapters. I think that’s based on population the

23 amount of people, amount of funding. We run at CO,

24 XO, 1, 2, 3, 4 like we were all taught. It’s easier

25 for me to be able to maintain funds, cost efficiency

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 101 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 by having a centralized command and control, which

2 point I need to delegate authority, take somebody

3 out, I do. It’s much more efficient.

4 When you start thinking about warrant forms

5 and all this, that, and the other, it’s archaic. We

6 need to move forward and standardize, or at least

7 upgrade, our technology and our approach. Other

8 groups are doing it. Why we’re not, I have no clue.

9 Goals, I think the gentleman -- a couple

10 gentlemen hit on that earlier. What are they?

11 Short term, long term, I have no clue. I’m still

12 looking at the picture.

13 Incorporation, I keep hearing everybody

14 talk about it. Everybody’s going to form these

15 501(c)(3)’s and all this, that, and the other. We

16 in Montana aren’t going to do it. I don’t have the

17 people, we don’t have the time, we don’t have the

18 inclination. Quite frankly, it’s embarrassing. One

19 of the goals I hear mentioned about all the time is

20 membership, membership, membership. You guys are

21 crazy if you think I’m going to go out and try to

22 recruit people with all this stuff going on.

23 Some of us actually have professional

24 reputations. I’m not knocking anyone in this room,

25 but to go out, we are the laughing stock. There’s

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 102 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 no doubt about it. Personally, I will continue to

2 defend the Order because I believe in it to some

3 extent, but I’ll tell you, we’re starting to wane a

4 little bit.

5 I told the folks in Montana I would say

6 this and I’m going to say it. We need to get it

7 together and have a positive attitude because I, for

8 one -- and maybe I’m the only one willing to say

9 this. I’m having a hard time going out and bringing

10 people in. What do you get? $50 and a magazine?

11 We don’t even have the magazine anymore.

12 One last thing, while we talk about these

13 grandiose plans and these ideas for moving forward,

14 this philosophical pie in the sky, on the end of it

15 we’re on the line bearing the brunt in these rural

16 states, even these urban states when it comes to

17 recruiting, when it comes to fundraising, when it

18 comes to engagement. If we don’t have a centralized

19 plan -- and we’re going to centralize even more with

20 all these weird 501(c)(3)’s, potentially 50

21 different ones, there will be no centralized

22 command. We’ll be going 50 different directions in

23 50 different ways in 50 different speeds.

24 Folks, the only thing we’re going to have

25 in common is we’re going to go down the bowl right

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 103 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 down the drain. Thank you for your time.

2 PATRIOT FLYR: National Commander, we have

3 a lot of things to decide and we don’t have a lot of

4 time to do it. I just listed a couple of items. I

5 think we’re going to have to come to a decision

6 within the next hour or so. One, how are we going

7 to operate until September? Two, what are our plans

8 for our Headquarters employees? Are we going to try

9 to bring them all back, some of them, none of them?

10 The other, the status of the lawsuit, I’ve

11 had a lot of people ask me if the Order wins the

12 lawsuit, what exactly do we get? They don’t have

13 any money.

14 The other one, are we going to have a

15 National Service Organization? This is something

16 that needs to be discussed and some type of

17 consensus come on.

18 Finally, we need a realistic budget, not

19 based on “the check is in the mail,” but the revenue

20 sources that we have right now. I’d suggest have a

21 budget, operational budget, until September and then

22 have incremental. What happens if we do raise a

23 million dollars? What’s going to be our priorities?

24 Are we going to try to bring Headquarters staff

25 back? Are we going to start paying salaries? What

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 104 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 are we going to do with it? If we raise another

2 million, what will we do with that?

3 Now, if we raised the whole $7.2 million,

4 fine, we can accomplish all the goals we’d like to.

5 I could probably come up with a budget on all the

6 things I’d like the Order to accomplish. That’d be

7 $20 million. Until we got something more solid that

8 we can depend on, we can’t depend on people telling

9 us, “Oh, yeah, I’ll give you the money Monday.”

10 “No, I’m a little short this week, maybe next week.”

11 We need to get budgets based on our proven

12 revenue sources right now. Thank you.

13 (Applause)

14 NC GREENLAW: Thank you. I just would like

15 to respond quickly and then we’re going to take a

16 15-minute break. Steve Ruckman, the CEO of the

17 Foundation, said to a highly regarded PNC in the

18 Military Order of the Purple Heart last year, he

19 said, “All we have to do is stop funding the Order

20 and they will crash and burn.” That’s what he said.

21 I believe this person that told me that.

22 The Foundation is not on our side. To be

23 perfectly honest, I don’t the Foundation cares at

24 all, and I’m cleaning up my language here. I don’t

25 think the Foundation cares at all about us. They

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 105 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 want us to go away, they want to go off running with

2 all those intellectual and Purple Heart rights.

3 That’s not going to happen. They want us to drop

4 this lawsuit. They’re trying everything they can do

5 to get me to drop this lawsuit. We’re not dropping

6 this lawsuit.

7 (Applause)

8 NC GREENLAW: One of your questions --

9 UNIDENTIFIED PATRIOT: (inaudible)

10 NC GREENLAW: Yeah, it can be dropped. All

11 you have to do is vote it --

12 DEPT COM CASSON: If it’s brought on this

13 floor and it’s voted on and it’s passed to drop the

14 lawsuit, then we’ve saved $95,000 and we move

15 forward. It’s not your call! It is our call!

16 You’re dealing with our lives and our members’

17 lives.

18 NC GREENLAW: I’ll be very pleased to put

19 that vote up. I don’t disagree with you. Why are

20 you so angry? I don’t disagree with you.

21 DEPT COM CASSON: (inaudible)

22 NC GREENLAW: I’m trying to stay calm. I’m

23 trying to be civil.

24 REG VI COM ANDERSON: Commander?

25 NC GREENLAW: Yes, sir?

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 106 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 REG VI COM ANDERSON: Call for a recess

2 please, sir.

3 NC GREENLAW: We’ll call for a 15-minute

4 recess.

5 (Gavel rap)

6 (15-minute break.)

7 (Gavel raps)

8 NC GREENLAW: Please stand and face the

9 flag. Hand salute. Two. Thank you. Be seated.

10 I’m going to multitask here. We’re trying to get

11 something up on the board. We have one question.

12 This will be the last question, then we have some

13 business to take care of. Yes, sir?

14 PDC WILLIAMS: Two questions -- really,

15 it’s three. Number one, I want to know, do we have

16 buildings in D.C. -- I mean in Virginia that belongs

17 to the Foundation -- I mean that belongs to us, the

18 MOPH, that we need to take care of?

19 NC GREENLAW: Did you say, do we have a

20 building?

21 PDC WILLIAMS: A building.

22 NC GREENLAW: Yes, we do.

23 PDC WILLIAMS: Are they costing us money

24 now?

25 NC GREENLAW: We do have a building.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 107 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 PDC WILLIAMS: Is it costing us money?

2 NC GREENLAW: I’m sorry?

3 PDC WILLIAMS: Is it costing us money now?

4 NC GREENLAW: For maintenance, yes.

5 There’s no mortgage.

6 PDC WILLIAMS: Okay. Has anyone ever

7 thought about us moving our Headquarters out of the

8 high rent district?

9 NC GREENLAW: Yes. Yes, we have, and

10 that’s the reason I asked for that evaluation of the

11 building to find out exactly what it’s worth so we

12 could consider that in our negotiations with the

13 Foundation.

14 My recommendation was that we take over the

15 Foundation and bring it in. Get rid of the Board.

16 Get rid of the Board, take the Foundation in and run

17 it properly. Of course, that went over like a

18 pregnant pole vaulter. That didn’t happen.

19 On the other hand, I did know -- I had to

20 know what the value of our building is and they had

21 to know what the value of their building is because

22 the idea was to sell both buildings, we could come

23 up with probably $2 or $3 million, put it in an

24 account and go together forward and use their

25 501(c)(3). They decided not to do that. They

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 108 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 decided to go off on their own and that’s when we

2 got sued. They decided to sue us and take

3 everything and go forward.

4 PDC WILLIAMS: Okay.

5 NC GREENLAW: That’s something I want to

6 discuss here in a minute is the lawsuit. But we do

7 have a building and we know what it’s worth. It’s

8 sitting there as an asset.

9 PDC WILLIAMS: Okay. We talk about the

10 Foundation as if it’s some foreign thing. Aren’t

11 members of that Foundation Purple Heart members, or

12 Past National President (sic)?

13 NC GREENLAW: Yes. We have --

14 PDC WILLIAMS: So why do we have so much

15 trouble if they are our brothers and sisters? Am I

16 right or wrong?

17 NC GREENLAW: You’re right, and that’s a

18 good question.

19 PDC WILLIAMS: I just want an answer, okay

20 --

21 NC GREENLAW: Let me just say this, the

22 Chairwoman, Madam Chairwoman of the Board is a woman

23 by the name of Mary Lou Keener. She’s the wife of

24 PNC Hershel Gober. She’s Chairman of the

25 Foundation, Chairwoman of the Foundation. She’s a

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 109 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 Vietnam vet. She’s not a Purple Heart recipient.

2 She was a nurse in Vietnam, she’s not a Purple Heart

3 recipient.

4 The president (sic) and CEO, which is the

5 lead fundraising person, supposedly -- within any

6 organization, the CEO is your top salesman,

7 basically. If you’re a public company, you’re

8 making presentations to Wall Street. If you’re a

9 private company, you’re talking to your clients.

10 The CEO of the Foundation not only is not a Purple

11 Heart recipient, he’s not even a veteran. That’s

12 the big problem.

13 They’re out managing these two revenue

14 streams that they have, the car program and the

15 thrift stores and they’re slowly declining, and

16 they’re not replacing that revenue appropriately.

17 I’m on the Board because of being a National

18 Commander. I’ll be off the Board Thursday and the

19 next Commander will be on the Board. I’m their

20 worst enemy, I’m an eyewitness.

21 You’ve got an experienced eyewitness

22 watching this debacle that’s going on with the

23 Foundation. Believe me, it’s terrible. Their lack

24 of communication, their secrecy, the bad management,

25 malfeasance, another word called misfeasance, count

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 110 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 that too.

2 I’m not accusing them of being bad people,

3 human beings. We do have PNCs on the Board that are

4 combat wounded vets as well. How many do we have?

5 Three or four? Four? So, yeah, we do have

6 spokespeople on that Board but they’ve been voting

7 along with all of this. I’m the only one, and our

8 team are the only ones that are voting against

9 anything that comes up.

10 A good example is that meeting they just

11 had in Atlanta on May 9th. They flew everybody in

12 from all over the country to stay in that beautiful

13 hotel and have their Board Meeting. I suggested

14 they do it by teleconference or telephone conference

15 and save the money. What’d they do? They had the

16 meeting. So they’ve got money, they’re funding

17 themselves.

18 The CEO, I heard just today that the CEO

19 got a raise. I don’t know.

20 PDC WILLIAMS: You’re joking?

21 NC GREENLAW: I don’t know exactly, I think

22 it’s $250,000, $225,000. Something like that, it’s

23 over $200,000, I know that. He just got a raise.

24 They’re funding their entire staff. We have zero

25 staff. We need to talk about that a little bit

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 111 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 later. We’ve got zero staff.

2 We’re cutting it down to the bare minimum

3 so we can percolate along until the lawsuit, win

4 that lawsuit, and take over. We need to talk about

5 that lawsuit too and that’s coming up next.

6 PDC WILLIAMS: Okay.

7 NC GREENLAW: Yes, sir?

8 PDC WILLIAMS: That’s it.

9 NC GREENLAW: Okay, thank you. Speaking of

10 the lawsuit -- yes, sir?

11 DEPT COM YELINEK: Going back to my

12 previous question, earlier question on the

13 authorization for PNC Gober and Mary Lou to sign

14 that document, it was said it was never brought

15 before the NEC. It was voted upon by the

16 Convention. Are there minutes that reflect that?

17 I’ll direct this to the Adjutant. Are there verbal

18 recorded minutes or are there printed minutes that

19 reflect that this was legal action?

20 NC GREENLAW: Yes. I have a hard time

21 hearing -- even when you’re loud, I have a hard time

22 understanding exactly what you said.

23 DEPT COM YELINEK: I just want to know, are

24 there minutes from the Convention authorizing PNC

25 Gober, or at that time Commander Gober, to sign the

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 112 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 documentation?

2 NC GREENLAW: That’s a very good question.

3 I asked that question and they said -- I’ve had two

4 answers. One answer was yes, it was voted on by the

5 General Convention, to the supreme body. I think

6 we’re talking about two different documents.

7 DEPT COM YELINEK: There should be minutes,

8 there should be minutes. It was never voted upon by

9 the NEC. But if the general body voted, there

10 should be minutes.

11 NA HERNANDEZ: Commander Greenlaw --

12 NC GREENLAW: Yeah. I don’t believe these

13 documents were voted on, personally. We’re

14 searching the minutes to find out.

15 NA HERNANDEZ: Let me explain the best I

16 can. I ask Patriot Doug Middleton, Patriot Dennis

17 Wallot, Chairman Wallot, to help me out on this one.

18 For those of us who were in Norfolk, the

19 Convention, right before golfing that Thursday -- do

20 you remember Bob Puskar saying we finally reached an

21 agreement? Bob Puskar and Bill Wroolie signed those

22 documents. In front of everybody, they signed it,

23 made copies, we went on. That is digitized in the

24 minutes from Dave Molinaro. So, that, we have.

25 This had changed over. I don’t know what

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 113 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 happened. I’ll look at Patriot Middleton the most

2 here. What happened? Why were these -- this

3 contract redone? The one thing I just wanted to add

4 to this, if you remember the original LLC Holding,

5 the original one that was sent to the Convention

6 floor in Norfolk, there was three members from the

7 Foundation, three members from the Order. If you

8 look at the LLC Holding, it’s strictly three members

9 from the Foundation.

10 Something happened in between -- the

11 Commander from Nevada’s asking and what you have in

12 front you, exhibits the attorneys have. Thank you.

13 PSVC MIDDLETON: As I understand it, from

14 what I have been told, the initial deal, agreement,

15 that was trying to be hammered out between the Order

16 and the Foundation initially talked about -- or it

17 was the Order’s position that when the LLC was

18 formed there would, in fact, be six members, three

19 from the Order, three from the Foundation.

20 In talking with Matt Tully, who was on the

21 negotiating team at the time, for whatever reason --

22 and I certainly was not part of that conversation.

23 I wasn’t involved in it at all. What he has told me

24 is that that part of the deal could not be reached

25 and he basically had to acquiesce to just three

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 114 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 members. Somewhere in the negotiations and the

2 dealing between the two parties, the six-member

3 thing got reduced to three and apparently that was

4 suitable to Commander Puskar and the negotiating

5 team for the Order.

6 That’s basically what signed initially by

7 Commander Puskar and Commander (sic) Wroolie. As I

8 mentioned, there was a serious, fatal error in one

9 of the paragraphs inadvertently. Since Commander

10 Puskar was no longer the National Commander and

11 Commander Gober was then the Commander, he is the

12 one that ended up signing the agreement that we now

13 see today.

14 NA HERNANDEZ: Sir, that’s exactly my point

15 because you said there was a fatal error, your

16 words, right, sir?

17 PSVC MIDDLETON: Yes.

18 NA HERNANDEZ: All right. Why didn’t it go

19 to NEC when they discovered that error for them to

20 review and vote on to say, oh, yeah, we’re okay with

21 it, or --

22 PSVC MIDDLETON: It did not happen at the

23 Convention. It happened after we returned home.

24 NA HERNANDEZ: I understand, but that’s the

25 role of the NEC to vote in between conventions.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 115 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 PSVC MIDDLETON: Well, I can’t answer that

2 question.

3 NA HERNANDEZ: There’s your answer for

4 people in here. That’s where there’s a lot of

5 confusion in these documents. A lot of confusion.

6 NC GREENLAW: The document I’m concerned

7 about is the trademark and service mark license

8 agreement to the Order.

9 PSVC MIDDLETON: I know nothing about that.

10 NC GREENLAW: I don’t believe it’s ever

11 been voted on. I don’t believe it’s ever been

12 before the NEC. That’s my opinion.

13 REG I COM EGGLESTON: Believe me,

14 Commander, we never voted on anything like that as a

15 body or NEC. That document that I seen that was

16 laying on the table, that was an illegal formatted

17 document for purposes of whatever. We never voted

18 on that because I would’ve said hell no, and I

19 probably would’ve said let’s un-F this thing.

20 That’s all I have to say.

21 NC GREENLAW: Yes, sir?

22 DEPT SVC PRATTS: Senior Vice Commander,

23 State of New York reporting. Sorry I’m late.

24 NC GREENLAW: Thank you.

25 NA HERNANDEZ: For the Credentials

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 116 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 Committee, Ruban Pratts, Department of New York,

2 he’s here.

3 DEPT COM CUNNINGHAM: The question I has

4 is, that rather than say yes we did or no we didn’t,

5 wouldn’t the minutes of the NEC meeting reflect

6 that? Who was responsible to make those minutes up

7 and make them available to the body? I believe the

8 Bylaws say the Adjutant.

9 NC GREENLAW: I’m going to let the National

10 Adjutant answer that question.

11 DEPT COM CUNNINGHAM: I believe he is

12 accountable, sir. That’s what I just read in the

13 Bylaws. Am I correct?

14 NA HERNANDEZ: It depends. Accountable, it

15 says also in there that you will compensate me a

16 fair and reasonable wage, which you haven’t been

17 doing. Hold on, let me finish.

18 The best I could do, I cannot make the

19 material to print them. I don’t have Constant

20 Contact with you, a mass member blast. We did do it

21 before it went down. There’s a Patriot here that

22 asked, can you send it out? We sent it out with

23 Constant Contact to everybody then we resent it

24 again to the Region Commanders and said, can you

25 please disseminate?

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 117 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 DEPT COM CUNNINGHAM: This was 2016. We’re

2 not talking last year.

3 NA HERNANDEZ: You are correct, sir.

4 DEPT COM CUNNINGHAM: So there are no

5 minutes from the 2016 National Convention --

6 NA HERNANDEZ: You’re exactly right, I

7 retract that. But am I supposed to bring every

8 minutes with me from previous years? Normally, you

9 bring the last year’s minutes, right?

10 DEPT COM CUNNINGHAM: I guess my point is

11 that, I’m sure, Commander, that that’s confusing

12 you, those documents. That’s why we have these

13 other processes in place so we can do an audit trail

14 and see what really happened. What you’re telling

15 me is, we didn’t do that. Am I correct in what

16 you’re telling me?

17 NC GREENLAW: I’m telling you that we will

18 look into those minutes and find out. I’ll read

19 them personally myself.

20 DEPT COM CUNNINGHAM: All right, thank you,

21 sir.

22 NC GREENLAW: I will do that. I’m telling

23 you that this is a recent discovery.

24 DEPT COM CUNNINGHAM: We should have a

25 record of whether we did or did not vote on it.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 118 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 NC GREENLAW: Exactly right.

2 DEPT COM CUNNINGHAM: I’m being told we do

3 not have that record. Am I correct?

4 NC GREENLAW: I’ll find out.

5 REG VI COM ANDERSON: The document, the LLC

6 agreement that was signed by Hershel Gober and Mary

7 Lou Keener was not presented to the NEC because that

8 document was signed, I believe, in February of 2017.

9 The NEC did not receive this document prior to

10 signature. There would not be any minutes on this

11 because we were out of Convention, had been out of

12 Convention for several months.

13 NC GREENLAW: I will still take a look at

14 those minutes to see if it was brought up in the

15 meeting. I don’t think it was, but I’d like to be

16 able to say that I at least reviewed the minutes or

17 the next National Commander reviewed the minutes. I

18 don’t feel these are legitimate documents.

19 First of all, I’m experienced at this. It

20 looks like somebody sat at home on their typewriter

21 and typed this up. It might be on a computer, but

22 it looks very amateurish. The signatures are even

23 more amateurish the way it’s laid out. I don’t

24 believe these two documents have ever been voted on

25 by the NEC. That’s my opinion. I’d like to leave

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 119 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 them out here and let you take a look at them if

2 you’d like to, especially the signature pages.

3 One signature page has a changed date on

4 it, and I’m not sure why. Yes, sir?

5 DEPT COM DAUGHERTY: Commander Greenlaw,

6 I’ve got two questions. Number one, the lawsuit

7 between the MOPH and the Foundation, it’s strictly a

8 trademark lawsuit, is it not?

9 NC GREENLAW: Yes.

10 DEPT COM DAUGHERTY: Hopefully, we win that

11 lawsuit. Even if we do, the Foundation’s not going

12 to fund us. We already know that, everybody’s aware

13 of that. My question is going to be for whichever

14 of these two guys are going to be our next

15 Commander, what are their plans for our future for

16 Purple Heart organization? If we don’t have the

17 funding and the only place that we can get funding

18 right now is from the Life Membership Fund.

19 Second thing, the first money that you

20 asked for from the Life Membership Fund was about

21 $2.4 million, correct? That included the $95,000

22 for the witnesses to travel to the court.

23 NC GREENLAW: And court costs.

24 DEPT COM DAUGHERTY: Is that correct?

25 NC GREENLAW: Yes.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 120 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 UNIDENTIFIED PATRIOT: No, sir, it’s not!

2 DEPT COM DAUGHERTY: Let me get to it. The

3 second one that you sent in, the revised copy that I

4 saw back there just a little while go, that $95,000

5 was not included in the one the NEC voted on. Am I

6 correct? So my question -- my third question is --

7 NC GREENLAW: I believe it was.

8 DEPT COM DAUGHERTY: No, sir, it was not.

9 NC GREENLAW: I believe it was.

10 DEPT COM DAUGHERTY: We can check, but I

11 don’t think it was.

12 NC GREENLAW: You can check on it, I

13 believe it was.

14 DEPT COM DAUGHERTY: So, if we, the NEC,

15 have to vote on that $95,000, you made a statement

16 to me that you would not ask for any more than what

17 you already had. Is that a true statement?

18 NC GREENLAW: I’m not sure what your

19 question is.

20 DEPT COM DAUGHERTY: Yes, sir. You --

21 NC GREENLAW: I don’t have anything. It’s

22 MOPH.

23 DEPT COM DAUGHERTY: So that is my

24 question.

25 NC GREENLAW: Be specific.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 121 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 DEPT COM DAUGHERTY: I was. Where are you

2 going to get the $95,000 that’s not in your second

3 revised statement on that $1.5 million? It’s not

4 there unless I’m totally wrong. I don’t believe I

5 am because I saw it.

6 NC GREENLAW: I think I have a copy of it.

7 DEPT COM DAUGHERTY: This question is for

8 the Senior Vice, Junior Vice, not Ernesto. Thank

9 you, sir.

10 (Applause)

11 NC GREENLAW: I think I have a copy of

12 that. I know I do in my computer. I know I have

13 one in my computer and I think it was the same,

14 $1.543 million. It’s in there. Yes, sir?

15 NPC CHAIR McINTOSH: I’m a packrat and I

16 happened to go searching through my computer and I

17 happened to find the document agreement that was

18 reached at the 2016 Convention that was instrumental

19 in changing the Bylaws. I have a copy of that

20 setting up that LLC. I have it on a disc if anybody

21 who’d be interested putting it up on the screen so

22 everybody could read it.

23 NC GREENLAW: Do you have both copies?

24 NPC CHAIR McINTOSH: No, I do not have the

25 February issue. What I have is the agreement that

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 122 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 was reached at the Convention because after the

2 Convention, as Patriot Doug Middleton said the

3 document was screwed up. It had to be corrected and

4 I have a copy of the corrected agreement that was

5 sent out to the NEC and it was dated -- saved or

6 modified on August 22nd, 2016. I have a copy of it

7 here and we can bring it up on the screen if you

8 want.

9 NC GREENLAW: Was that the trademark and

10 service mark license agreement?

11 NPC CHAIR McINTOSH: No, sir.

12 NC GREENLAW: Well, that’s what I’m talking

13 about.

14 NPC CHAIR McINTOSH: No, let’s put it like

15 this, what I have is the -- there was an extensive

16 discussion, there was an agreement reached. What I

17 have is a copy of what the agreement was that was

18 ratified by the Convention. It is not setting that

19 up. In there, it has a paragraph and subparagraph

20 talking about the LLC.

21 SVC GARCIA: Patriot McIntosh, the one you

22 guys -- it was the one that was signed by Commander

23 Puskar and --

24 NPC CHAIR McINTOSH: No, it was not signed

25 at the Convention. The one that was signed at the

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 123 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 Convention --

2 SVC GARCIA: The thing was signed by

3 Commander Puskar and Past National Commander Wroolie

4 at the front table in Norfolk in front of all of us.

5 Once it was signed, we all clapped because we were

6 all excited about the signatures that were done.

7 Past National Commander Gober, if I’m not

8 mistaken, Patriot Middleton -- at the time, it was

9 Jason Johns, Past National Commander Van Ess, and

10 Past National Commander Gober that were the

11 Commanders at the time when all that stuff happened.

12 Past National Senior Vice Commander Middleton came

13 in as the Junior Vice when all that stuff happened.

14 But that document was signed at the Convention.

15 NPC CHAIR McINTOSH: It was signed at

16 Convention, but there was problems in it because it

17 was mistyped.

18 SVC GARCIA: Correct.

19 NPC CHAIR McINTOSH: It was later after the

20 Convention it was discovered that the wording was

21 incorrect on one of the documents.

22 SVC GARCIA: Correct, sir.

23 NPC CHAIR McINTOSH: That document was

24 corrected as to what was agreed upon, and then it

25 was sent out to the NEC.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 124 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 SVC GARCIA: I’m not saying I don’t believe

2 you, sir, but I don’t remember voting on that.

3 NPC CHAIR McINTOSH: Let’s put it like

4 this, I have the --

5 (Speaking over each other)

6 SVC GARCIA: -- Patriot McIntosh, you did

7 say you were a packrat?

8 NPC CHAIR McINTOSH: Yeah.

9 SVC GARCIA: So maybe you have that vote

10 because I don’t remember it and I know --

11 NPC CHAIR McINTOSH: I don’t have the vote,

12 but I have the document.

13 SVC GARCIA: Thank you, sir. But --

14 NPC CHAIR McINTOSH: Let’s put it like this

15 --

16 NC GREENLAW: Patriot --

17 NPC CHAIR McINTOSH: -- I had suggested we

18 put it up on the screen so everybody could see what

19 it was.

20 SVC GARCIA: That’s not the document that’s

21 in question, sir. The question is, was that voted

22 on after the vote was done at the Convention? That

23 was the question. Unless we have that, and I will

24 check my stuff because I will find that vote. If it

25 was passed out, it will be on our emails.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 125 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 Patriot Daugherty, you asked the question,

2 sir, about how do we move forward right now. To be

3 honest with you, sir, myself and National Junior

4 Vice, Rick Cherone, we talked and we both believe

5 that right now is not the correct venue, sir. There

6 will be a caucus done. At that time, we will let

7 you guys know because, again, we are running against

8 each other and we can’t use that here to do that.

9 At the caucuses, we will pass that information, sir.

10 NA HERNANDEZ: Commander Greenlaw, can I

11 please make a statement? Dave Molinaro, can you

12 hear me? We can end this pretty quickly. Do you

13 happen to have access of the 2016 minutes on that

14 Thursday when the document was signed? Can you get

15 that this evening possibly? Right here is our

16 recorder, so we can end all this BS amongst

17 ourselves. Do you have access to it that you can

18 get it for us?

19 MR. MOLINARO: I don’t have access to it

20 right now, but I will see what I can do.

21 NA HERNANDEZ: Thank you, sir.

22 NC GREENLAW: I’d just like to say the

23 documents that I have here are not the one that you

24 voted on or that you’re speaking of. The documents

25 I’m talking about are the trademark and service mark

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 126 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 license agreement to the Order. I have one original

2 and one that they rewrote for the Exhibit D in our

3 lawsuit. The one that’s rewritten, signed by

4 Chairman Wroolie and Mary Lou Keener, has been

5 improved on the one that Gober and Mary Lou Keener

6 signed that was earlier.

7 I’m just saying this one has been changed.

8 This one is the original and I don’t know what --

9 it’s in the lawyer’s hands now. I know it’s going

10 to be a major document in the lawsuit. Yes, sir?

11 PATRIOT FLYR: Is this something that’s

12 going to be decided by the court in December, the

13 voracity of these documents? Then why are we

14 discussing them? The court is going to look at both

15 sides --

16 NC GREENLAW: Just trying to keep you

17 informed. Just trying to keep everybody informed.

18 I checked with the lawyers, they said have at it.

19 PATRIOT FLYR: Okay, the court’s going to

20 make the decision. I think we all know one says

21 this date and the other date. Let’s move on to some

22 essential business.

23 NC GREENLAW: Point well taken.

24 (Applause)

25 NC GREENLAW: Point well taken. I’ll go

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 127 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 along with that. So, we have some business to do.

2 Are there any questions specific to the lawsuit?

3 (No response)

4 NC GREENLAW: Any other questions specific

5 to the lawsuit?

6 (No response)

7 JVC CHERONE: I found the agreement that

8 was -- the document that was resigned because of the

9 missing wordage -- or verbiage for the three

10 officers not being in the document. That document

11 was signed in September by Hershel and Wroolie. I

12 don’t know if we ever voted on this one. This is

13 2016 in November. September -- Wroolie signed the

14 September 1st and Hershel signed it on September 2nd

15 in 2016, the revision.

16 Because there was a mistake made, the vote

17 was okay -- I don’t know, I don’t remember voting on

18 this one.

19 NC GREENLAW: The document I have is dated

20 3 February of ’17. This is 9/1/16. The document I

21 have is dated 3 February.

22 NFO MOORE: Commander, I handed you a

23 breakdown of what was voted on by the NEC. Would

24 you please address the issue of the $95,000 for

25 witnesses?

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 128 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 NC GREENLAW: Okay, I put money for the

2 lawsuit in that $500,000 segment that includes

3 payment of outstanding bills to Headquarters. It’s

4 not listed on this, you’re right. So what’s your

5 point?

6 NFO MOORE: The question was left

7 unanswered.

8 NC GREENLAW: No point. Okay. Are you

9 saying that we should have no money for the lawsuit?

10 NFO MOORE: The question was asked of you

11 if there was $95,000 included in the funds that were

12 voted on by the NEC. I gave you the breakout simply

13 so that you can clarify the question that was asked

14 instead of leaving it in limbo.

15 NC GREENLAW: Okay, this is dated June

16 15th. I’ll have to check my latest one and see if

17 it’s different. First of all, there’s a lot of

18 confusion about our deal with Tully. If you read

19 the contract, he’s responsible for -- he’s pro bono

20 for lawyer time. That’s a lot of money. But he’s

21 not responsible for hard costs, like flying people

22 in to be witnesses in the trial, flying people in

23 for depositions. It adds up very quickly. We need

24 to send that money to Tully so he can spend it on

25 the travel. It comes through the law firm all

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 129 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 documented.

2 NA HERNANDEZ: Commander Greenlaw?

3 NC GREENLAW: Yes. Any other questions?

4 NA HERNANDEZ: Let me try to aid with this

5 question a little bit, if you don’t mind. This is

6 live, so it’s not perfect. I know that wedge we put

7 in the $95,000 was for everything. Originally, we

8 could have expanded witnesses and we reduced it to

9 X-amount of numbers.

10 If I understand correctly, the number has

11 been reduced to roughly $30,000 from Tully. Is that

12 what he’s asking for now? Roughly.

13 NC GREENLAW: He said $30,000 to $40,000.

14 NA HERNANDEZ: Okay, so my point, even if -

15 - let’s just say the number’s not there correctly,

16 the NEC’s voted, the money from Fleet Week will

17 cover the legal expenses. So it’s a non-factor for

18 the Order paying for additional funds.

19 NC GREENLAW: Thank you. By the way, that

20 Fleet Week fundraiser was done by a third party

21 called the Dolphin Fund. It’s a division of a

22 venture capital firm in New York City, so we can’t

23 be accused of raising that money as they’re charging

24 against us in the lawsuit. It’s done by a third

25 party. They raised about $100,000. We get $60,000,

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 130 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 they get $40,000. That money is on the way. To the

2 Adjutant’s point, we’ll use that money for the

3 lawsuit if we have to.

4 Any questions about the NSO Program?

5 (No response)

6 NC GREENLAW: We pretty much covered that.

7 I’d like to open it up again if you’d like to

8 discuss anything about the NSO Program.

9 (No response)

10 NC GREENLAW: Mr. Adjutant, is there

11 anything else we need to cover?

12 NA HERNANDEZ: Sir, you have the Chair of

13 the Bylaws Committee. He needs to go into some

14 Bylaws issues now.

15 NC GREENLAW: Okay.

16 ADDITIONAL PROPOSED RESOLUTIONS

17 NC GREENLAW: I’ll call Jim Anderson up.

18 REG VI COM ANDERSON: You received through

19 email Resolutions 1 through 5. There has been two

20 additional resolutions that I need to bring to the

21 floor. I will go over these resolutions. You

22 should have them up on the screen shortly. These

23 resolutions, both came from Rick Cherone, the

24 National Junior Vice Commander. He’s also a member

25 of the Bylaws Committee.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 131 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 To stay within our current Bylaws, we are

2 submitting these to the NEC and we’ll accept a

3 motion after we’ve submitted to the NEC for the

4 Bylaws to review and report back to the body their

5 recommendation.

6 (No response)

7 REG VI COM ANDERSON: I’m going to go ahead

8 and read these to you:

9 RESOLUTION NO: 6 - 2019

10 RE: NATIONAL INSPECTOR

11 WHEREAS: That ARTICLE XI SECTION 9(G) states that

12 the National Inspector will:

13 Do an inspection at the request of the National

14 Commander of any National Officer’s office

15 including the National Adjutant, Service

16 Director, and Legislative Officer, and

17 WHEREAS: That the bylaws do not provide for an

18 inspection of national headquarters to ensure

19 that procedures are followed according to the

20 bylaws, and

21 WHEREAS: That an annual inspection of national

22 headquarters finances should be a customary

23 practice for the protection of the Order,

24 therefore, be it

25 RESOLVED: Article XI, Section 9(G) be changed to

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 132 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 read:

2 G. To protect the finances of the Order:

3 1) The National Inspector will do an annual

4 inspection of National Headquarters to assure

5 that all procedures are being following according

6 to the bylaws and report the results of the

7 inspection to the National Commander.

8 2) The National Inspector will do an inspection

9 at the request of the National Commander of any

10 National Officer's office including the National

11 Adjutant, Service Director, and Legislative

12 Officer

13 Submitted by: National Junior Vice Commander

14 I’ll entertain a motion from the floor if

15 you want to have this passed along to the Bylaws

16 Committee for review.

17 NFC CHAIR WALLOT: I will make a motion to

18 pass it along.

19 REG VI COM ANDERSON: A motion has been

20 made by Dennis Wallot to pass the Bylaw along.

21 PATRIOT PICKART: Second.

22 REG VI COM ANDERSON: Seconded by Paul

23 Pickart, National Finance Committee. Any

24 discussion?

25 (No response)

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 133 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 REG VI COM ANDERSON: All in favor?

2 PATRIOTS: Aye.

3 REG VI COM ANDERSON: Opposed?

4 PATRIOTS: Nay.

5 REG VI COM ANDERSON: Two nays.

6 (Motion carried.)

7 REG VI COM ANDERSON: The second

8 resolution:

9 RESOLUTION NO: 7 - 2019

10 RE: NATIONAL Adjutant

11 WHEREAS: That ARTICLE XI SECTION 5 A1)2) states

12 that the National Adjutant will:

13 1) The National Adjutant’s normal duty

14 station is in the National Headquarters.

15 2) Occasionally, it may be necessary for the

16 National Adjutant to attend meetings and

17 functions outside the Headquarters’ building, and

18 WHEREAS: With the --

19 PSVC MIDDLETON: Patriot Chairman, Point of

20 Order. The Bylaws basically require that they be

21 placed on the screen for all of us to see.

22 REG VI COM ANDERSON: We are trying to get

23 them up on the screen. That’s why I’m reading them.

24 PSVC MIDDLETON: Can we delay it until we

25 can get them up on the screen?

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 134 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 NPC CHAIR McINTOSH: Patriot Anderson, what

2 the Bylaws say, “The proposed amendments shall be

3 presented to the delegates. The presentation may be

4 accompanied by a projection of the proposed

5 amendments on a screen visible to all.” The keyword

6 was “may.” It doesn’t say shall or will.

7 PSVC MIDDLETON: Normally we have a book

8 that is given to us, a printed book, that we can

9 follow along in. We do not have --

10 REG VI COM ANDERSON: If you have something

11 you’d like to say, could you please approach the

12 mic?

13 PSVC MIDDLETON: Patriot Chairman, normally

14 at this Convention we receive a delegate package of

15 printed material that always includes the proposed

16 Bylaws. This year, for whatever reason, we do not

17 have that. Therefore, we don’t have a document to

18 follow along and it becomes almost required that we

19 be able to view it on a screen, visible to all.

20 Therefore, I ask that we delay this until --

21 NC GREENLAW: I’ll handle that.

22 PSVC MIDDLETON: -- we’re able to do it.

23 NC GREENLAW: Patriot Middleton, if your

24 Foundation funded us, we’d be able to have that

25 book. We’d be status quo.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 135 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 UNIDENTIFIED PATRIOT: Stop!

2 NC GREENLAW: So you can call your

3 Foundation this afternoon and fill them in on that.

4 UNIDENTIFIED PATRIOT: That’s enough!

5 UNIDENTIFIED PATRIOT: We’re done with

6 that!

7 (Long pause)

8 REG VI COM ANDERSON: Nick?

9 NPC CHAIR McINTOSH: Yes, sir?

10 REG VI COM ANDERSON: You use a Mac. Can

11 you come up and center that on the screen please,

12 sir?

13 NPC CHAIR McINTOSH: Yeah.

14 (Applause)

15 DEPT COM SHAW: Point of Order. How many

16 Patriots does it take to put in a lightbulb?

17 (Long pause)

18 REG VI COM ANDERSON: Thank you, Patriot

19 McIntosh.

20 (Applause)

21 NPC CHAIR McINTOSH: Patriot Anderson, I’ve

22 had a request back here to dim the lights so we can

23 read it from back here.

24 REG VI COM ANDERSON: Okay, we have the

25 Resolution 6-2019 presented on the screen. Would

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 136 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 you like me to read it to you again?

2 PATRIOTS: Yes.

3 REG VI COM ANDERSON:

4 RE: NATIONAL INSPECTOR

5 WHEREAS: That ARTICLE XI SECTION 9(G) states that

6 the National Inspector will:

7 Do an inspection at the request of the National

8 Commander of any National Officer’s office

9 including the National Adjutant, Service

10 Director, and Legislative Officer, and

11 WHEREAS: That the bylaws do not provide for an

12 inspection of national headquarters to ensure

13 that procedures are followed according to the

14 bylaws, and

15 WHEREAS: That an annual inspection of national

16 headquarters finances should be a customary

17 practice for the protection of the Order,

18 therefore, be it

19 RESOLVED: Article XI, Section 9(G) be changed to

20 read:

21 G. To protect the finances of the Order:

22 1) The National Inspector will do an annual

23 inspection of National Headquarters to assure

24 that all procedures are being following according

25 to the bylaws and report the results of the

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 137 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 inspection to the National Commander.

2 2) The National Inspector will do an inspection

3 at the request of the National Commander of any

4 National Officer's office including the National

5 Adjutant, Service Director, and Legislative

6 Officer

7 Submitted by: National Junior Vice Commander

8 There was a motion to accept as presented.

9 The motion was seconded. As for discussion --

10 UNIDENTIFIED PATRIOT: The motion already

11 passed.

12 REG VI COM ANDERSON: There was no

13 discussion and there was a vote and the motion was

14 passed.

15 Continuing on:

16 RESOLUTION NO: 7 - 2019

17 RE: NATIONAL Adjutant

18 WHEREAS: That ARTICLE XI SECTION 5 A1)2) states

19 that the National Adjutant will:

20 1) The National Adjutant’s normal duty

21 station is in the National Headquarters.

22 2) Occasionally, it may be necessary for the

23 National Adjutant to attend meetings and

24 functions outside the Headquarters’ building, and

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 138 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 WHEREAS: With the advent of electronic

2 communication the National Adjutant could access

3 any of the headquarters files from any location,

4 and

5 WHEREAS: The current budget crunch makes it

6 difficult to hire a Purple Heart recipient for

7 the Washington DC area.

8 WHEREAS: The Order needs to be flexible in where

9 the Adjutant resides, therefore, be it

10 RESOLVED: Article XI, 5 A 1) & 2) be removed

11 Submitted by: National Junior Vice Commander

12 PNC SIMS: Move to approve.

13 NFC CHAIR WALLOT: Second.

14 REG VI COM ANDERSON: The motion has been

15 moved to approve by Jim Sims and seconded by Dennis

16 Wallot. Any discussion?

17 (No response)

18 REG VI COM ANDERSON: All in favor?

19 PATRIOTS: Aye.

20 REG VI COM ANDERSON: Any nays?

21 NC GREENLAW: Nay.

22 NA HERNANDEZ: No.

23 REG VI COM ANDERSON: All right, motion

24 passes.

25 (Motion carried.)

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 139 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 REG VI COM ANDERSON: Thank you, gentlemen.

2 ADJOURNMENT

3 NC GREENLAW: All right, we’re going to

4 take a recess. Following the recess will be the

5 Publications -- wait. Yeah, following the recess

6 will be the Bylaw Committee meeting.

7 NPC CHAIR McINTOSH: In past years, we

8 found that it is a lot easier if the Publications go

9 before the Bylaws Committee because sometimes it

10 extends it way out. I’m Chairman of the

11 Publications Committee. Jim Anderson is Chairman of

12 the Bylaws Committee. Jim, are you in agreement

13 that we switch times?

14 REG VI COM ANDERSON: Yes, sir.

15 NPC CHAIR McINTOSH: I can promise you we

16 will be out of here in no more than 45 minutes from

17 the Publications Committee. That way, the

18 Publications Committee can go ahead and then the

19 Bylaws Committee.

20 The Commander is part of the Publications

21 Committee. He is not a member of the Bylaws

22 Committee, so that’s one of the reasons.

23 NC GREENLAW: Chairman of the Bylaws

24 Committee, are you okay with this?

25 REG VI COM ANDERSON: Yes, sir.

ARS REPORTING 08 July 2019 Military Order of the Purple Heart 140 of the U.S.A., Inc. 1 NC GREENLAW: Okay, so done. We’ll take a

2 ten-minute recess.

3 (Gavel rap)

4 (4:05 p.m.)

5 (08 July 2019 National Executive Committee

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