1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:08,000 Subtitles by Mammad 2 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,500 It was 6 in the morning. 3 00:00:17,349 --> 00:00:19,950 I got a knock on my door, a really loud knock 4 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,150 and I thought it was my dad, who had locked himself out or something, 5 00:00:24,500 --> 00:00:30,000 so I opened it and it's the LED flashlights and the really obnoxious, 6 00:00:30,250 --> 00:00:31,888 bulletproof vests 7 00:00:31,950 --> 00:00:34,400 and they're dragging me out into the cold, 8 00:00:34,500 --> 00:00:36,150 when I'm in my pyjamas. 9 00:00:36,333 --> 00:00:38,000 That was not fun.. 10 00:00:39,950 --> 00:00:44,750 They seemed pretty shocked by the sarcastic, belligerent, angry teenager, 11 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:46,500 that they dragged out of bed that day. 12 00:00:46,888 --> 00:00:50,888 I don't know if it's just that I was 19 or that I was a girl but, 13 00:00:51,340 --> 00:00:56,000 they didn't expect, this. 14 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,500 10.000 angry kids, whoever they are, 15 00:01:03,666 --> 00:01:06,666 they scared the shit out of some people those days. 16 00:01:07,333 --> 00:01:09,200 They scared the shit, 17 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,333 out of the powers that be 18 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,400 and that's why this is being investigated. 19 00:01:13,500 --> 00:01:15,520 That's why I'm under indictment. 20 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:18,255 That's it. 21 00:01:18,333 --> 00:01:19,500 Because, 22 00:01:20,666 --> 00:01:24,750 between the days of December 6 and December 10, 23 00:01:25,900 --> 00:01:29,400 10.000 angry people proved to the government, 24 00:01:29,500 --> 00:01:31,000 that their regulations, 25 00:01:31,150 --> 00:01:32,666 their ideas, 26 00:01:32,750 --> 00:01:35,666 their view of PayPal, their view of WikiLeaks, 27 00:01:35,750 --> 00:01:37,500 their view of the Afghan war, 28 00:01:37,666 --> 00:01:40,333 and Egypt and Tunisia and Libya, 29 00:01:40,350 --> 00:01:42,000 it didn't fucking matter. 30 00:01:42,333 --> 00:01:46,000 Their opinion no longer mattered, because someone was out on the internet, 31 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,000 kicking ass. 32 00:01:51,888 --> 00:01:56,000 The computer hacker group Anonymous, is claiming tonight, that it took down 33 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,333 the website of the federal appeals court in San Francisco this afternoon. 34 00:01:59,888 --> 00:02:03,600 They took down senate.gov servers, they've taken down HBGary, 35 00:02:03,650 --> 00:02:04,666 SONY is claiming they did 36 00:02:04,700 --> 00:02:06,600 150 million dollars worth of damage. 37 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,000 So many confidential files, 38 00:02:09,050 --> 00:02:12,400 that tonight, because of these hackers, can be in the hands of anyone. 39 00:02:12,550 --> 00:02:18,150 Visa, Mastercard, the PayPal situation. -The criminals who hacked into Sarah Palin's private e-mail. 40 00:02:20,750 --> 00:02:22,200 The church of scientology says, 41 00:02:22,250 --> 00:02:26,250 Anonymous is a cyber-terrorist group of religious bigots. 42 00:02:26,350 --> 00:02:29,500 Anonymous and this other group called LulzSec, 43 00:02:29,666 --> 00:02:31,666 they seem to be wanting to prove a point. 44 00:02:33,818 --> 00:02:38,750 Anonymous was like the big, strong, buff kid who had low self esteem 45 00:02:39,150 --> 00:02:40,666 and all of a sudden, 46 00:02:40,750 --> 00:02:45,000 punched somebody in the face and was like, Holy shit I'm really strong! 47 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,350 And Anonymous calls itself the final boss of the internet 48 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,000 and sometimes it proves to be really fucking true. 49 00:02:54,750 --> 00:02:56,250 If you were going to violate 50 00:02:56,300 --> 00:02:59,100 the freedoms of the internet, you certainly better watch the fuck out. 51 00:02:59,750 --> 00:03:02,279 They are, kind of, the rude boys of activism. 52 00:03:04,750 --> 00:03:07,250 There's a real rough edge to that, 53 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:11,050 which I think also, is one reason why they 54 00:03:11,100 --> 00:03:14,150 garner so much love and hate from people too. 55 00:03:14,750 --> 00:03:18,500 They represent a certain sort of chaotic freedom. 56 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,000 Individual, young, 57 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,419 nameless, faceless folks are having 58 00:03:24,419 --> 00:03:26,350 geo-political impact 59 00:03:26,500 --> 00:03:31,500 and it's both exhilarating to realize that and terrifying to realize that. 60 00:03:31,750 --> 00:03:34,888 It kind of depends on how that power is wielded. 61 00:03:36,150 --> 00:03:38,000 We are legion. 62 00:03:38,500 --> 00:03:40,519 We do not forget. 63 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,500 Expect us. 64 00:03:49,128 --> 00:03:50,666 We stand for freedom, 65 00:03:50,750 --> 00:03:53,500 we stand for freedom of speech, the power of the people, 66 00:03:53,666 --> 00:03:57,250 the ability for them to protest against their government, to right wrongs. 67 00:03:57,666 --> 00:03:59,600 No sensorship, epecially online, 68 00:03:59,666 --> 00:04:01,666 but also in real life. 69 00:04:04,666 --> 00:04:07,500 We have members throughout society 70 00:04:07,550 --> 00:04:09,750 in all stratums of it worldwide, 71 00:04:09,888 --> 00:04:11,500 yet we have no leadership. 72 00:04:11,666 --> 00:04:17,500 It's one voice, it's not individual voices, that's why we don't show our faces, that's why we don't give our names. 73 00:04:17,666 --> 00:04:21,500 We're speaking as one and it's a collective. Good timing.. 74 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,250 I would love to live in a country where the government fears its citizens 75 00:04:29,333 --> 00:04:31,500 and not the other way around. 76 00:04:31,666 --> 00:04:34,666 Right now, plenty of Anonymous actors 77 00:04:34,750 --> 00:04:39,950 are in hiding because of fear of reprisals by the government. 78 00:04:41,250 --> 00:04:44,300 I've been called many things, there's unpatriotic.. 79 00:04:44,450 --> 00:04:48,150 ..that we're just a bunch of children sitting in our parents' basement. 80 00:04:48,450 --> 00:04:49,950 I get called a terrorist sympathizer. 81 00:04:50,666 --> 00:04:55,750 We've been called kids, we've been called cyber-bullies, we've been called hooligans and.. 82 00:04:55,950 --> 00:04:58,950 You know, sometimes these words aren't entirely unfair but, 83 00:04:59,150 --> 00:05:00,500 this is a serious political movement. 84 00:05:02,500 --> 00:05:05,350 No one in the general public really seems to get it. 85 00:05:05,500 --> 00:05:12,000 What they don't seem to get, is that the ability for Anonymous to be everything and anything, is its power. 86 00:05:13,150 --> 00:05:14,850 Anonymous is a series of relationships. 87 00:05:15,250 --> 00:05:16,500 Hundreds and hundreds of people, 88 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:22,950 who are very active in it and who have varying skill sets and who have varying issues they want to advance 89 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,400 and who are collaborating in different ways each day. 90 00:05:25,670 --> 00:05:28,500 They're a little bit like a prism or a calaidoscope. 91 00:05:28,550 --> 00:05:31,333 They've got many different facets in many different sides. 92 00:05:31,666 --> 00:05:34,000 Of course when you spend enough time with them, 93 00:05:34,050 --> 00:05:36,750 you start to get a sort of feel or texture, 94 00:05:37,333 --> 00:05:39,000 that's not just random, 95 00:05:39,050 --> 00:05:41,500 right? Yet it's very multifaceted, 96 00:05:41,529 --> 00:05:48,250 very rich, which does span from the quite lighthearted to the very very serious. 97 00:05:51,500 --> 00:05:54,300 Bob Dylan had lined a song to say, "to live outside the law, 98 00:05:54,333 --> 00:05:55,500 you must be honest". (Absolutely Sweet Marie) 99 00:05:55,750 --> 00:05:59,509 They might do something which isn't technically correct, maybe it's not 100 00:05:59,550 --> 00:06:05,000 legally correct, but they're doing it for purposes, that in their minds at least are ethical. 101 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,500 People who know what they're doing, 102 00:06:07,579 --> 00:06:08,999 who share an ethos, 103 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,250 who have a commitment to exposing and humiliating "the man", 104 00:06:12,500 --> 00:06:19,490 who have a very low tolerance of some eyes and what they perceive as evil 105 00:06:19,750 --> 00:06:21,750 and the part of over-winning power structures. 106 00:06:23,470 --> 00:06:25,666 They share information, they share tools and techniques 107 00:06:25,750 --> 00:06:29,200 and they are currently having a very good time. 108 00:06:31,888 --> 00:06:33,550 The hacker culture, 109 00:06:33,666 --> 00:06:34,888 as we know it, 110 00:06:34,900 --> 00:06:37,950 really sprang from one place. There was MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology) 111 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:44,750 and there was specifically people in the model railroad club, the tech model railroad club. 112 00:06:47,250 --> 00:06:49,750 Hacking originated as humorous pranks. 113 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,666 When the guys in MIT put a VolksWagen up on top of the dome of the building, 114 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,350 people woke up and saw a car up there in the morning, 115 00:06:56,750 --> 00:07:01,333 or they measured a bridge by the body-lengths of somebody, let's say his name was Brian 116 00:07:01,450 --> 00:07:03,750 and they discovered the bridge over the Charles river was, 117 00:07:03,888 --> 00:07:05,750 you know, 822 Brians. 118 00:07:06,700 --> 00:07:08,666 These are funny things. That's where hacking originated 119 00:07:08,700 --> 00:07:10,000 and then migrated in 120 00:07:10,250 --> 00:07:12,666 engineering and computer communities. 121 00:07:13,333 --> 00:07:15,000 It's, really, it's pranks. 122 00:07:17,666 --> 00:07:18,950 Basically Microsoft 123 00:07:18,999 --> 00:07:20,500 and Apple, both, 124 00:07:20,550 --> 00:07:22,666 got their entire start of computer crime. 125 00:07:22,700 --> 00:07:24,200 Bill Gates stole 126 00:07:24,250 --> 00:07:26,200 pretty much all of the MS-DOS. 127 00:07:26,333 --> 00:07:27,500 Steve Jobs, 128 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,000 he was creating boxes to defraud the phone company. 129 00:07:33,666 --> 00:07:35,333 I always saw hacking, 130 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:36,500 as implicitly political. 131 00:07:36,750 --> 00:07:39,333 Hackers, whether they're conscious about it or not, 132 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:40,800 whether explicit about it or not, 133 00:07:40,888 --> 00:07:42,000 make a statement, 134 00:07:40,333 --> 00:07:44,150 about how we should treat information. 135 00:07:44,666 --> 00:07:47,250 And some years after my book came out, 136 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:48,288 one of the people I wrote about, 137 00:07:48,300 --> 00:07:49,750 Richard Stallman, 138 00:07:49,888 --> 00:07:52,850 got very publically and explicitly political 139 00:07:52,888 --> 00:07:56,888 about open software, about.. And he believed that software should be free. 140 00:07:56,950 --> 00:07:58,111 Free as in freedom, not free 141 00:07:58,150 --> 00:08:01,000 as in beer, as he put it there. 142 00:08:01,250 --> 00:08:04,250 Behind it, whether misguided or not, there is a political impulse. 143 00:08:04,888 --> 00:08:09,000 Hactivism was a term coined by a group called Cult of the Dead Cow (cDc). 144 00:08:11,500 --> 00:08:14,500 The Lopht had an interesting relationship with the cDc. 145 00:08:14,666 --> 00:08:17,900 Actually there was 3 members, that were in both organizations. 146 00:08:17,999 --> 00:08:21,000 And we kind of capped like, the serious security research, 147 00:08:21,100 --> 00:08:24,000 that they were doing, they would do under the Lopht name 148 00:08:24,050 --> 00:08:27,444 and if they're doing some sort of just goofy stunt-like things, 149 00:08:27,500 --> 00:08:30,444 they would do it under the cDc name, 150 00:08:30,500 --> 00:08:34,150 because the cDc was really kind of a, 151 00:08:35,444 --> 00:08:38,111 sort of, like a propaganda type of organization. 152 00:08:40,333 --> 00:08:43,150 They had a guy who was the minister of propaganda, 153 00:08:43,444 --> 00:08:45,450 they were kinda merry pranksters like, everything they did, 154 00:08:45,500 --> 00:08:50,200 was completely over the top you know, they would dress up like Mr-T sometimes, 155 00:08:50,250 --> 00:08:53,444 they would do rap songs at DEFCON, like a rap performance. 156 00:08:53,666 --> 00:08:58,111 One of the guys there, I think his name is t-fish, or short for tweety fish, coined the term 157 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,950 hactivism, because he saw what, 158 00:09:00,999 --> 00:09:03,150 one of the things, his group was doing, which he called hactivism 159 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:07,700 was writing software that people in other countries could use to communicate securely, 160 00:09:07,750 --> 00:09:09,666 even if their government was spying on them. 161 00:09:10,150 --> 00:09:12,333 So what the principal was really, was freedom of expression. 162 00:09:12,444 --> 00:09:15,444 It was everyone should have access to the internet, 163 00:09:15,500 --> 00:09:19,050 everyone should be able to communicate and get their message out on the internet. 164 00:09:19,100 --> 00:09:20,950 Even more important in countries, 165 00:09:20,999 --> 00:09:24,750 where there was repressive regimes, that if you said something against the regime, 166 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,250 they would come and take you away and you weren't saying anything anymore. 167 00:09:30,750 --> 00:09:36,150 A good place to start are with, what is often been called virtual sit-ins, 168 00:09:36,150 --> 00:09:36,150 169 00:09:36,150 --> 00:09:36,150 170 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,779 which use the tactic of a denial of service attack. 171 00:09:41,779 --> 00:09:44,600 Denial of service has been around for a long long time. 172 00:09:44,666 --> 00:09:47,458 The equilevant of, like if you, for some reason, 173 00:09:47,458 --> 00:09:51,200 wanted to disrupt a bus service, right? 174 00:09:51,222 --> 00:09:55,289 You can hire a thousand extras to all go and like, line up at the bus station 175 00:09:55,289 --> 00:09:58,399 and get on the bus, until that anyone who was 176 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:00,259 really trying to get on the bus, couldn't do it. 177 00:10:00,888 --> 00:10:02,000 It's as simple as that. 178 00:10:02,111 --> 00:10:06,500 When you stop trying to visit, the website goes back up, no permanent damage. 179 00:10:06,850 --> 00:10:10,500 And this tactic has been used by a number of different groups. 180 00:10:10,666 --> 00:10:15,000 Probably the most famous is the Electronic Disturbance Theatre. 181 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,500 Another really interesting case happened 182 00:10:18,550 --> 00:10:21,300 in Germany, where a group of activists got together, 183 00:10:21,750 --> 00:10:28,000 who wanted to protest the fact that the airline, Lufthansa, 184 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:28,000 185 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:28,000 186 00:10:28,039 --> 00:10:33,666 was using, they were using their planes to deport immigrants 187 00:10:33,666 --> 00:10:36,000 and they would take down the site 188 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,666 and in fact eventually the German courts ruled, 189 00:10:38,666 --> 00:10:38,666 190 00:10:38,700 --> 00:10:42,200 that this was a legitimate form of protest. 191 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,600 From airports security to subway bag checks, 192 00:10:45,666 --> 00:10:48,850 there's no question, it's a new world post 9/11. 193 00:10:48,888 --> 00:10:50,333 It's worse now, 194 00:10:50,444 --> 00:10:53,333 for humans, post 9/11, 195 00:10:53,350 --> 00:10:57,666 because intrusion and surveillance, which is always going to be misused 196 00:10:57,666 --> 00:11:00,250 by those who can misuse it, 197 00:11:00,250 --> 00:11:00,250 198 00:11:01,500 --> 00:11:04,250 has created a different kind of society, 199 00:11:04,250 --> 00:11:08,929 in which freedom, the freedom to move unobserved, is a privilege 200 00:11:08,929 --> 00:11:13,000 only of the rich, privacy is a privilege only of the rich. 201 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:19,750 Hackers see the technology giving them sanction to buy their privileged exclusion as well. 202 00:11:19,888 --> 00:11:21,500 Intrinsic to the technology, 203 00:11:21,550 --> 00:11:24,600 is the power to self transcend 204 00:11:24,666 --> 00:11:27,250 and get out of the hump of the Bell Curve 205 00:11:27,333 --> 00:11:32,659 and move forward on par with the masters of society and do battle with them 206 00:11:32,659 --> 00:11:35,750 on an equal, level, playing field. 207 00:11:35,666 --> 00:11:35,666 208 00:11:35,999 --> 00:11:37,809 That's hactivism. 209 00:11:39,809 --> 00:11:43,320 Anonymous grew out of, what's known as, 4chan. 210 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:43,320 211 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:43,320 212 00:11:44,759 --> 00:11:46,309 Essentially this is just 213 00:11:46,309 --> 00:11:50,480 a website, where people can upload images 214 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,380 and you don't actually give your name, it's just sort of anonymous. 215 00:11:53,500 --> 00:11:55,679 When you look at 4chan, you're often surprised, 216 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,419 because it looks like a site from, like, 1995 or something. 217 00:11:58,750 --> 00:12:02,000 The idea is very simple: You post a comment and you post a picture 218 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,300 and you can post it under your name, or anonymously 219 00:12:05,333 --> 00:12:07,222 and it's seperated into boards about particular topics. 220 00:12:07,250 --> 00:12:10,350 There's a topic on anime, there's a topic on weaponry. 221 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:17,000 There's like a 4chan board for origami. You just upload interesting pictures of origami. 222 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,000 And then there was a group called /b/. The /b/ board, 223 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:24,000 224 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,669 which essentially was for like, anything goes. 225 00:12:26,669 --> 00:12:28,559 The first time anybody goes on /b/, 226 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,720 it's kind of an instant.. revulsion, 227 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,500 'cause there's never a time that you go in there where you don't see something horrible. 228 00:12:35,500 --> 00:12:37,130 That instantly puts off a lot of people. 229 00:12:37,500 --> 00:12:41,500 The idea is, post something that can never be unseen. 230 00:12:44,500 --> 00:12:51,250 Half of the posts on /b/ are there specifically to make peope not wanna come back to /b/. 231 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,500 Have you ever read Lord of the flies? 232 00:12:54,500 --> 00:12:54,500 233 00:12:54,500 --> 00:12:54,500

234 00:12:54,970 --> 00:12:58,000 4chan and especially /b/, 235 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,500 is Lord of the Flies, 236 00:13:01,750 --> 00:13:05,750 except some of them aren't 16 anymore, they're just allowed to act 16. 237 00:13:05,750 --> 00:13:05,750 238 00:13:06,250 --> 00:13:08,000 It's what you get when people are allowed 239 00:13:07,130 --> 00:13:12,500 to express themselves with absolutely no restrictions whatsoever. 240 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:17,000 It's the kind of sum of human imagination when people can get together and paint together 241 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,500 without any limits or parameters. 242 00:13:19,500 --> 00:13:19,500 243 00:13:19,750 --> 00:13:26,000 It's the most vile, disgusting and funny thing on the internet. 244 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:35,570 4chan was founded by Chris "Moot" Poole, 245 00:13:35,570 --> 00:13:35,570 246 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:39,000 when he was very young, maybe 15, 247 00:13:39,500 --> 00:13:41,000 in the early 2000's. 248 00:13:41,250 --> 00:13:46,300 He started 4chan because he was a big fan of Japanese animation. 249 00:13:46,500 --> 00:13:50,600 Chris "Moot" Poole is the sweetest kid you've ever met in your life. 250 00:13:50,666 --> 00:13:55,500 He's small and he's got these tiny features 251 00:13:55,550 --> 00:13:58,000 and he runs the most disgusting website in the world. 252 00:13:58,150 --> 00:14:00,500 What I think is really intriguing about a community like 4chan, 253 00:14:00,500 --> 00:14:05,000 is just that it's this open place, as I said it's raw, it's unfiltered, 254 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,000 and.. sites like it are going the way of the dinosaur right now. 255 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,730 They're endangered, because we're moving towards social networking, 256 00:14:12,730 --> 00:14:14,820 we're moving towards persistent identity, 257 00:14:14,820 --> 00:14:19,700 we're moving towards, you know, a lack of privacy really. 258 00:14:19,750 --> 00:14:19,750 259 00:14:19,750 --> 00:14:19,750 260 00:14:19,750 --> 00:14:19,750 261 00:14:19,750 --> 00:14:19,750 262 00:14:18,333 --> 00:14:21,950 The /b/ board, it's the exact opposite of facebook. 263 00:14:21,999 --> 00:14:25,169 In facebook, you're supposed to be who you are 264 00:14:25,169 --> 00:14:26,250 and there's, sort of, one model, 265 00:14:26,300 --> 00:14:29,444 which is that you're friends with people. Right? 266 00:14:29,500 --> 00:14:32,879 In 4chan, you're totally an anonymous nobody. 267 00:14:32,879 --> 00:14:32,879 268 00:14:32,888 --> 00:14:37,666 And anonymous speech, a lot of it is ugly, but not all of it, is (ugly). 269 00:14:37,750 --> 00:14:40,250 It's actually a sort of place, where people can be honest. 270 00:14:40,250 --> 00:14:40,250 271 00:14:41,750 --> 00:14:44,250 One of the important things about 4chan,

272 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:49,000 is to have a thread that really explodes 273 00:14:49,150 --> 00:14:51,500 and lasts for a long time. 274 00:14:52,500 --> 00:14:53,500 If it doesn't, 275 00:14:53,750 --> 00:14:57,000 then it disappears, it's a site that's not archived, 276 00:14:57,250 --> 00:14:59,570 so, it creates conditions for 277 00:14:59,570 --> 00:15:02,250 anything that grabs attention, at some level 278 00:15:02,250 --> 00:15:06,539 and so humor and grotesqueness, as a result, are quite good for that. 279 00:15:06,539 --> 00:15:06,539 280 00:15:05,190 --> 00:15:09,029 I'd rather just be referred to as anonymous I guess 281 00:15:09,029 --> 00:15:12,300 in the interviews, cause I have some dox out on me. 282 00:15:12,300 --> 00:15:14,009 4chan's just where I went to. 283 00:15:14,009 --> 00:15:16,750 I grew up on it and I lived there. 284 00:15:16,750 --> 00:15:19,000 That's what I did for fun. 285 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,250 It takes a thick skin to enjoy it but you know, 286 00:15:22,250 --> 00:15:24,360 as long as you're not offended, you'll occasionally 287 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,500 come into something really cool or really creative on 4chan. 288 00:15:27,750 --> 00:15:31,500 I think the most interesting thing about it, is how you can watch memes evolve. 289 00:15:34,250 --> 00:15:36,000 You'll see something posted one day, 290 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,500 that a week later, has got 50.000 derivatives on there. 291 00:15:39,500 --> 00:15:39,500 292 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,000 A meme is, basically just an idea. 293 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:47,333 It's kind of like a gene, but in the realm of the idea. 294 00:15:47,333 --> 00:15:47,333 295 00:15:47,500 --> 00:15:53,450 A lot of the great internet memes that we all know and love, you know lolcats, right? 296 00:15:53,450 --> 00:15:58,000 You know, little cats doing funny things and then you have "I can has cheezburger?" 297 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:04,250 All that stuff seems to start in this Petri dish, that is 4chan's /b/ board. 298 00:16:04,250 --> 00:16:04,250 299 00:16:04,250 --> 00:16:04,250 300 00:16:09,250 --> 00:16:14,000 "Say it publically and you're insane, chocolate rain". 301 00:16:14,111 --> 00:16:17,222 Name any meme from the last about 6 years and I'll bet you, 302 00:16:17,250 --> 00:16:21,444 either it's first posting ever, was on 4chan or 303 00:16:21,500 --> 00:16:25,250 at least one of it's earliest revisions that became what it was, was on 4chan. 304 00:16:25,250 --> 00:16:29,250 "I can see the food situation is fucked, so we'll be on our way". 305 00:16:32,333 --> 00:16:35,222 It's basically the best breeding ground for 306 00:16:35,333 --> 00:16:38,000 internet culture, as far as I'm concerned. 307 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,880 "Read your neighborhood insurance rates, chocolate rain". 308 00:16:43,500 --> 00:16:47,200 4chan is also very known for acts of trolling. 309 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:50,222 Trolling is a fucking art. 310 00:16:50,250 --> 00:16:52,750 Trolling is getting the person you are talking to 311 00:16:52,777 --> 00:16:55,111 to get a pissed off as they possibly can 312 00:16:55,222 --> 00:16:58,222 and for no reason except your own enjoyment. 313 00:16:58,250 --> 00:17:02,000 Maybe you are trying to illustrate a point, but it's mostly for your own enjoyment. 314 00:17:02,250 --> 00:17:06,333 For them it's funny, that the people think the internet is serious business 315 00:17:06,555 --> 00:17:11,720 and if people think the internet is serious business, it's a troll's job, to make their life terror. 316 00:17:13,222 --> 00:17:17,000 The idea of Anonymous, came initially as a joke. 317 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,300 I mean, somebody suggested that, 318 00:17:19,300 --> 00:17:23,410 what if the whole site, what if 4chan, what if /b/, 319 00:17:23,410 --> 00:17:27,250 was just one person and what if that just one guy, called "Anonymous" 320 00:17:27,250 --> 00:17:31,250 sitting somewhere and you're just reading all these posts by one guy. 321 00:17:31,250 --> 00:17:35,150 And it kinda looks like that from the outsiders perspective, I mean, 322 00:17:35,150 --> 00:17:38,000 there's no way to tell a difference, it might as well be one guy. 323 00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:41,300 Fox news did very famous segments about it. 324 00:17:41,300 --> 00:17:45,000 They call themselves "Anonymous". They are hackers on steroids, 325 00:17:44,289 --> 00:17:47,750 treating the web, like a real life video game, 326 00:17:48,059 --> 00:17:50,450 sacking websites, invading myspace accounts, 327 00:17:50,450 --> 00:17:55,049 disrupting innocent people's lives and if you fight back, watch out! 328 00:17:55,049 --> 00:17:59,333 Destroy, die, attack, 329 00:17:59,350 --> 00:18:02,750 threats from a gang of computer hackers, calling themselves "Anonymous". 330 00:18:02,777 --> 00:18:05,750 I've had 7 different passwords and they've got them all so far. 331 00:18:05,777 --> 00:18:10,750 Anonymous hacked his site and blastered it with gay sex pictures. 332 00:18:10,888 --> 00:18:12,350 His girlfriend left him. 333 00:18:12,500 --> 00:18:16,500 She thought that, I was cheating on her with guys. 334 00:18:16,666 --> 00:18:17,750 As long as I can think back, 335 00:18:17,777 --> 00:18:23,222 Anonymous has done some pretty off-color things in the name of getting cheap laughs, 336 00:18:23,250 --> 00:18:24,888 you know, but, 337 00:18:24,950 --> 00:18:26,500 I mean that's part of the culture. 338 00:18:26,555 --> 00:18:29,500 We get what we call "Lulz". 339 00:18:29,555 --> 00:18:35,300 "Lulz" is a corruption of lol which stands for " laugh out loud". 340 00:18:35,500 --> 00:18:39,350 Anonymous gets big lulz, from pulling random pranks 341 00:18:39,500 --> 00:18:44,250 for example, messing with online children's games, like Habbo Hotel. 342 00:18:44,250 --> 00:18:46,777 Habbo Hotel was this online community, 343 00:18:46,888 --> 00:18:48,880 where you had an avatar and you 344 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,740 walked around and talked to other people. 345 00:18:50,750 --> 00:18:54,930 It's kind of, like, an early version of World of Warcraft, 346 00:18:54,950 --> 00:18:56,750 or Second Life or any of those virtual worlds. 347 00:18:56,777 --> 00:18:59,250 What the people on /b/ did, 348 00:18:59,250 --> 00:19:04,400 was invade Habbo Hotel, created thousands of avatars, 349 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,099 they all had this one uniform of a 350 00:19:07,099 --> 00:19:11,000 black guy with a big afro, wearing a black suit 351 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,069 and so there would be thousands of these people, 352 00:19:14,069 --> 00:19:16,000 black guys-black suit, 353 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,300 you know, huge afro, walking around this world 354 00:19:18,300 --> 00:19:22,500 and they would do things like, form a swastika out of themselves 355 00:19:22,500 --> 00:19:25,250 and i think that was a real landmark, because 356 00:19:25,250 --> 00:19:29,000 it was when they were able to see that, 357 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,800 they can use their numbers to do something really interesting and really disruptive. 358 00:19:32,888 --> 00:19:34,444 SO we blocked the entrance to their pool 359 00:19:34,500 --> 00:19:38,000 and that just pissed them off so fucking much. 360 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,250 It was fucking beautiful! 361 00:19:40,250 --> 00:19:42,500 That was fucking just wonderful. 362 00:19:42,500 --> 00:19:44,000 Wonderful times! 363 00:19:44,250 --> 00:19:47,250 Those kids loved that pool, they loved the shit out of their pool.. 364 00:19:47,500 --> 00:19:50,308 The goal was actually to offend everyone, 365 00:19:50,308 --> 00:19:54,250 simply because the idea that we could offend you by drawing a little shape on the screen, 366 00:19:54,250 --> 00:19:57,000 was stupid to the people involved in it. 367 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:02,000 They were like, really you're going to get that mad over us doing, just drawing this on the screen? 368 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,750 Wow! Well, you need to refocus a little on life 'cause, 369 00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:05,750 370 00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:05,750 371 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,750 this should not be upsetting you that much. 372 00:20:07,750 --> 00:20:10,808 Barrett Brown, I'm the director of project PM 373 00:20:10,808 --> 00:20:13,819 and former operative with Anonymous. 374 00:20:15,500 --> 00:20:16,500 We were targeting furries, 375 00:20:16,500 --> 00:20:19,000 which were just a sub-culture of people, of course, 376 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,000 who, you know, a lot of people in 4chan, find irritating, 377 00:20:22,111 --> 00:20:25,000 by virtue of their being irritating. 378 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:25,000 379 00:20:25,111 --> 00:20:29,222 A furry is someone, generally a male, who's autistic, in his twenties, 380 00:20:29,250 --> 00:20:32,500 who identifies with animals and 381 00:20:32,750 --> 00:20:37,500 oftentimes has sexual attraction to other people dressed as animals. 382 00:20:37,500 --> 00:20:37,500 383 00:20:37,750 --> 00:20:40,430 There's diaper-furs -furries, who enjoy wearing diapers, 384 00:20:40,430 --> 00:20:43,500 baby-furs, who enjoy thinking themselves as a baby. 385 00:20:43,750 --> 00:20:48,500 We had furry infiltrators, we were trying, you know, we had secret groups, mine was called the illuminati, 386 00:20:48,500 --> 00:20:50,000 /i/illuminati 387 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,000 and our goal was to wreak as much havoc as possible, 388 00:20:53,111 --> 00:20:54,329 because it was stupid. 389 00:20:54,333 --> 00:20:59,555 There was a point when I was, you know, I'd otherwise seem a respectable writer, 390 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,333 in 2007, when my first book came out, 391 00:21:02,350 --> 00:21:06,000 but I spent my evenings on Second Life, that big virtual world, 392 00:21:06,111 --> 00:21:08,420 riding around in a virtual spaceship, 393 00:21:08,444 --> 00:21:11,250 with the words faggery-daggery-doo written on it, 394 00:21:11,260 --> 00:21:12,500 wearing afros 395 00:21:12,555 --> 00:21:15,599 and dropping virtual bombs on little villages and concerts 396 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,000 and waving giant penises around 397 00:21:18,111 --> 00:21:20,430 and that was the most fun I've ever had in my life. 398 00:21:22,250 --> 00:21:24,500 All these different organizations online, 399 00:21:24,500 --> 00:21:24,500 400 00:21:24,555 --> 00:21:31,500 whether it's 4chan, or just any website, there is typically a community aspect to it. 401 00:21:31,500 --> 00:21:34,000 This where people have their social relationships, 402 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,500 this is where their friends are, this is where they have a creative outlet 403 00:21:37,500 --> 00:21:42,750 and so all those aspects are going into groups like Anonymous, 404 00:21:42,750 --> 00:21:45,000 where people, feel like they're part of the bigger thing 405 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,500 and they're able to express themselves within that group. 406 00:21:47,500 --> 00:21:47,500 407 00:21:47,500 --> 00:21:47,500 408 00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:51,555 There were certain words, certain phrases, 409 00:21:51,666 --> 00:21:55,750 certain ways people respond to things, certain images that are posted, 410 00:21:55,777 --> 00:22:00,400 that created a pattern and that pattern was 411 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,500 I guess the origin of what is now Anonymous. 412 00:22:02,555 --> 00:22:04,000 It's like freemasons with a sense of humor. 413 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,829 Not so much, as they have this common symbology 414 00:22:05,829 --> 00:22:09,740 and one of their chief joys, which is kind of wrapped up 415 00:22:09,740 --> 00:22:12,750 in power and secrecy, was the fact that they could recognise each other, 416 00:22:12,777 --> 00:22:15,777 by referencing these symbols, 417 00:22:15,799 --> 00:22:17,000 referencing these phrases. 418 00:22:17,500 --> 00:22:21,000 Over 9000, 419 00:22:21,500 --> 00:22:23,500 I lost my ipod, 420 00:22:24,029 --> 00:22:26,440 mudkipz, anything involving mudkipz, 421 00:22:26,444 --> 00:22:27,444 so you have this weird sort of 422 00:22:27,500 --> 00:22:32,666 international cultural developing with people across the world, wherever they may be. 423 00:22:32,888 --> 00:22:38,444 ..and late '06 and into early '07, there's a bit of a sea change, where 424 00:22:38,500 --> 00:22:41,444 instead of just posting a bunch of content or 425 00:22:41,500 --> 00:22:43,600 randomly saying, we're going to go over 426 00:22:43,666 --> 00:22:47,333 to some website and post a bunch of dirty comments against someone, 427 00:22:47,444 --> 00:22:49,444 it becomes a little more organized. 428 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,000 "Welcome to the Hal Turner show" 429 00:22:52,111 --> 00:22:54,750 They went after a guy named Hal Turner. 430 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,333 "we've been discriminated against, because I'm white.." 431 00:22:58,350 --> 00:23:05,000 Hal Turner is a Neo-Nazi, who was big online and had a podcast. 432 00:23:05,111 --> 00:23:07,222 "I think that the 14th amendment 433 00:23:07,250 --> 00:23:08,750 was not ratified properly 434 00:23:08,777 --> 00:23:12,750 and I think therefore it is still OK 435 00:23:12,777 --> 00:23:15,444 to have negros as slaves in America". 436 00:23:15,555 --> 00:23:19,839 The first time I heard about Hal Turner, is he was knocking somebody on 4chan. 437 00:23:19,850 --> 00:23:24,000 He was just being a major dick to a relatively known user, 438 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,339 and for the fun of it we started trolling 439 00:23:26,339 --> 00:23:29,666 and then I guess we figured we had a moral high ground 440 00:23:29,700 --> 00:23:31,950 which allowed us to get people on our side. 441 00:23:31,970 --> 00:23:33,589 BUt he was a fucking Neo-Nazi. 442 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,500 That's not okay to be in modern society. You're not allowed to do that 443 00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:40,000 and there's a million Neo-Nazis out there, 444 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,500 but he started picking on our dude 445 00:23:41,500 --> 00:23:44,500 so we had to go to our dude's fucking defence 446 00:23:44,500 --> 00:23:48,000 and it just so happened that he was a Neo-Nazi so 447 00:23:48,111 --> 00:23:50,600 that's a bigger reason that he's a fucking dick face. 448 00:23:50,750 --> 00:23:54,000 ..and like, yeah, screw that racist son of a bitch, let's do this, you know? 449 00:23:54,111 --> 00:23:56,000 So I joined in and I made some of the phonecalls 450 00:23:56,111 --> 00:24:00,888 and I played around on the chat-thing on his website and posted in the threads and what not.. 451 00:24:01,111 --> 00:24:03,222 "Who are you and where you're calling from?" 452 00:24:03,500 --> 00:24:06,999 "Ola, this is Pedro, from San Diego.." 453 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:12,210 "Spick, don't talk, don't call my radio show anymore, you filthy spick animal".. 454 00:24:12,222 --> 00:24:16,049 "..has begun an integration program, where they try and purposely 455 00:24:16,111 --> 00:24:21,500 lower standards, to bring more blacks and diversify the campus 456 00:24:21,555 --> 00:24:24,333 and by the end of the next 5 years, 457 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,500 they intend to bring over 9000!" 458 00:24:27,555 --> 00:24:30,400 He was just a horribly racist radio personality, 459 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,250 who seemed to handle it well, when you called in. 460 00:24:33,250 --> 00:24:35,888 He could handle being berated by Anonymous 461 00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:38,000 and that made it very interesting, 462 00:24:38,111 --> 00:24:39,900 it made it a bit of a challenge. 463 00:24:39,950 --> 00:24:41,500 It wasn't some guy, who just either crumbled 464 00:24:41,555 --> 00:24:45,000 or stopped answering the phone, it was a guy who would yell back. 465 00:24:45,111 --> 00:24:48,250 "I don't see really where you're going with this." 466 00:24:48,529 --> 00:24:49,750 "Where I'm going is, 467 00:24:49,777 --> 00:24:53,500 I believe Barack Obama is genetically incapable, 468 00:24:53,555 --> 00:24:56,660 of exercising the power necessary to govern 469 00:24:56,666 --> 00:24:59,250 the most complicated nation on earth. 470 00:24:59,500 --> 00:25:01,500 That's where I'm going with this. 471 00:25:01,777 --> 00:25:04,444 And I think part of the reason he's incapable of doing it, 472 00:25:04,500 --> 00:25:07,500 is because of racial, genetic inferiority. 473 00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:12,444 Is that clear enough for you?" 474 00:25:12,555 --> 00:25:15,750 "No, you changed the subject again.." "Wait a second, you asked me.." 475 00:25:15,777 --> 00:25:19,222 Hal Turner wasn't the first actual person that Anonymous had caused trouble for, 476 00:25:19,333 --> 00:25:22,111 but the circumstances ended up being significant. 477 00:25:22,222 --> 00:25:24,500 They DDoS'd his website, 478 00:25:24,555 --> 00:25:27,750 something like that cost him thousands of dollars, bandwidth fees.. 479 00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:32,000 We DDoS'd him, which is overflowing his server with packets and fake information 480 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,990 and then we kind of trolled him in real life. 481 00:25:33,999 --> 00:25:39,300 We sent countless pizzas to his house. We signed him up for escorts on Craigslist. 482 00:25:39,333 --> 00:25:43,990 We sent a bunch of pallets of industrial materials to his house 483 00:25:43,999 --> 00:25:46,333 which he ultimately had to foot the bill for 484 00:25:46,350 --> 00:25:51,490 and basically we destroyed his ability to pay for his radio show 485 00:25:51,500 --> 00:25:53,000 and that took him off the Internet. 486 00:25:53,111 --> 00:25:54,250 He was super pissed. 487 00:25:54,444 --> 00:25:57,555 ..and then they ended up getting some real hackers 488 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,222 to help them out, like this wasn't a sort of pranks, 489 00:25:59,250 --> 00:26:01,600 they actually were able to get into 490 00:26:01,666 --> 00:26:04,200 Hal Turner's private servers 491 00:26:04,222 --> 00:26:07,222 and his mail servers and find some interesting 492 00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:10,599 e-mails that he was serving as an FBI informant, 493 00:26:10,666 --> 00:26:15,888 which if you're a right-wing neo-nazi, is not a good thing to be. 494 00:26:16,111 --> 00:26:17,500 ..and obviously him being an FBI informant 495 00:26:17,555 --> 00:26:23,777 and also his reaction, his sort of douchebag reaction to the raids, 496 00:26:23,999 --> 00:26:25,250 damaged his credibility within 497 00:26:25,266 --> 00:26:27,000 the white-nationalist scene, 498 00:26:27,111 --> 00:26:28,666 which is a shame.. 499 00:26:29,111 --> 00:26:30,222 Hal Turner is gone, 500 00:26:30,250 --> 00:26:34,500 he's been prosecuted by the feds for threatening judges.. 501 00:26:34,750 --> 00:26:37,300 It wasn't supposed to be different but it ended up being different. 502 00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:41,250 People who observe Anonymous, see this group called Anonymous is going after this white-nationalist and say: 503 00:26:41,255 --> 00:26:44,888 "Oh, hey look, Anonymous must be some kind of activist organization" 504 00:26:44,999 --> 00:26:49,444 So, by virtue of these people joining Anonymous, Anonymous becomes more of an activist organization. 505 00:26:49,555 --> 00:26:52,000 What follows is a period of confusion and anger, 506 00:26:52,111 --> 00:26:53,750 whilst you have the usual sort of people, 507 00:26:53,759 --> 00:27:01,111 who wanna keep Anonymous as this nihilist, little ridiculous group, are upset that now 508 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,888 the most terrible thing on the internet, 509 00:27:03,900 --> 00:27:05,750 is now becoming a force for good all of a sudden. 510 00:27:05,777 --> 00:27:08,750 Project Chanology: A series of semi-coordinated 'attacks' on the Church of Scientology, after its attempts to censor the internet. 511 00:27:08,750 --> 00:27:08,750 512 00:27:08,750 --> 00:27:08,750 513 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,222 Anonymous has never been about getting media attention, 514 00:27:12,250 --> 00:27:16,333 or getting all of this attention towards it, which means it's a community, 515 00:27:16,350 --> 00:27:20,000 a pretty, sometimes, insular community, 516 00:27:20,111 --> 00:27:23,750 that is kinda kept to itself, to make jokes and make content, 517 00:27:23,777 --> 00:27:28,222 but that was of course changed completely, 518 00:27:28,250 --> 00:27:30,444 it was trully and completely out of it's head when chanology started. 519 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,148 Anonymous started to become 520 00:27:33,150 --> 00:27:34,470 less of a just a culture, 521 00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:36,444 you know, people who wanted to perform pranks 522 00:27:36,500 --> 00:27:39,777 and more of the internet's first army. 523 00:27:39,888 --> 00:27:43,000 I'm Mike Vitale and my handle is "sethdood". 524 00:27:43,111 --> 00:27:45,222 Now, this is January 2008. 525 00:27:45,250 --> 00:27:49,000 Anonymous is strong now, you know, we're not a little dinky fucking group anymore. 526 00:27:49,111 --> 00:27:51,309 This is millions of people worldwide and we're watching. 527 00:27:51,333 --> 00:27:55,000 And then scientology stepped in, with a big target on it's chest. 528 00:27:55,250 --> 00:27:56,659 A video came out of Tom Cruise, 529 00:27:56,666 --> 00:28:00,000 which was supposed to be like an internal scientology video, 530 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,970 talking about secrets of scientology. 531 00:28:03,970 --> 00:28:03,970 532 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,222 "Being a scientologist, 533 00:28:07,250 --> 00:28:09,039 when you drive past an accident, 534 00:28:09,111 --> 00:28:10,750 it's not like anyone else. 535 00:28:10,777 --> 00:28:14,500 As you drive past, you know you have to do something about it because, 536 00:28:14,666 --> 00:28:16,500 you know you're the only one that can really help." 537 00:28:16,750 --> 00:28:18,950 He talks about, that you're the only one, who can stop 538 00:28:18,999 --> 00:28:20,750 bad things from happening 539 00:28:20,777 --> 00:28:23,500 and so this is kinda widely mocked online. 540 00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:26,333 It circulated like wildfire! 541 00:28:28,444 --> 00:28:34,666 "there's nothing part of the way for me, it's just..(all the way?..)" 542 00:28:34,777 --> 00:28:36,299 ..people found it humorous and goofy 543 00:28:36,299 --> 00:28:39,111 and the church of scientology went into 544 00:28:39,250 --> 00:28:42,222 their "legal mode" and they threatened websites with 545 00:28:42,250 --> 00:28:44,500 lawsuits, if they didn't pull down the video. 546 00:28:44,750 --> 00:28:48,190 Instantly the scientologists posted a DMCA, 547 00:28:48,250 --> 00:28:50,111 (Digital Millenioum Copyright Act) 548 00:28:50,222 --> 00:28:52,150 and this is a way, that if you own content, 549 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,400 you can go to video sites, upload sites 550 00:28:54,444 --> 00:28:57,250 and have your content pulled when someone uploads it illegally. 551 00:28:57,500 --> 00:28:59,111 So scientology is always at odds with the internet, 552 00:28:59,148 --> 00:29:02,539 always trying to legally bully people, out of fucking them over on the internet. 553 00:29:02,555 --> 00:29:07,280 They always did that and then here they are trying again, but you know what, 554 00:29:07,299 --> 00:29:09,400 Anonymous saw that and he said, 555 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:15,000 "You guys just fucked around badly, you're trying to sensor our internet, 556 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,800 you're trying to take a joke away from Anonymous, you don't do that." 557 00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:24,500 What these people did in this case is, Gregg Housh and these other people, was 558 00:29:24,750 --> 00:29:29,000 they decided, we can probably harness Anonymous in this case and target scientology. 559 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:34,980 A few anons, a few people on 4 chan posted: "Hey, we should grab that video and post it on a few other sites" 560 00:29:34,999 --> 00:29:41,000 and I was one the people on that thread, talking about it and we got the original source of the video 561 00:29:41,050 --> 00:29:43,500 by reaching out to the person behind the accounts and everything. 562 00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:48,750 We started posting it. The surprising thing, was how fast they were DMCAing it on every site. 563 00:29:48,777 --> 00:29:52,750 It looked to us like, they must have direct contact with the lawyers 564 00:29:52,777 --> 00:29:55,269 and the team who actually pulls videos off at all of these sites. 565 00:29:55,333 --> 00:29:59,700 It was minutes and these things were falling down, like, holy crap! 566 00:29:59,950 --> 00:30:01,500 That's messed up! 567 00:30:01,750 --> 00:30:05,788 What followed was, there's this term called the "Barbra Streisand effect" 568 00:30:05,788 --> 00:30:11,555 and this video as they were attempting to suppress it, it went everywhere like, 569 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,250 everywhere you look on the internet you were gonna stumble upon this video. 570 00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:17,538 Actually gawker, the site that I work for, 571 00:30:17,555 --> 00:30:20,440 was I think, the first one to put it on the website 572 00:30:20,444 --> 00:30:23,244 and we got in a huge legal battle with scientology, 573 00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:25,480 who wanted us to take it down. 574 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:25,480 575 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:25,480 576 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:25,480 577 00:30:32,109 --> 00:30:34,000 A guy joins the channel 578 00:30:34,111 --> 00:30:37,000 and he says, you should all look at gawker. 579 00:30:37,111 --> 00:30:40,200 So we go over to gawker and the strangest thing has happened. 580 00:30:40,222 --> 00:30:42,888 This big media company had the video 581 00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:44,500 up on their front page and basically had 582 00:30:44,509 --> 00:30:47,380 a comment underneath it, that stated very clearly that the FBI, 583 00:30:47,444 --> 00:30:49,150 would have to come and take their servers 584 00:30:49,159 --> 00:30:50,500 to get this video taken down. 585 00:30:50,519 --> 00:30:53,250 That they were sick of this abuse that was going on. 586 00:30:53,500 --> 00:30:57,500 That made us think, what have we got ourselves mixed up in here? 587 00:30:57,750 --> 00:31:01,666 Scientology is an interesting target, because in some ways, 588 00:31:01,666 --> 00:31:05,666 it's the perfect inversion of what geeks and hackers value. 589 00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:07,000 At so many different levels: 590 00:31:07,058 --> 00:31:08,500 science fiction, 591 00:31:08,555 --> 00:31:10,666 intellectual property, 592 00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:12,500 discourses of freedom, 593 00:31:12,555 --> 00:31:14,500 science and technology, 594 00:31:14,555 --> 00:31:16,444 it's very proprietary, 595 00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:18,300 it's closed 596 00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:22,250 and so in some ways if you had something like, 597 00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:26,750 a cultural inversion machine and you stuck geeks and hackers in there, 598 00:31:26,750 --> 00:31:29,500 you'd get something that looks a lot like scientology, 599 00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:33,777 so it's quite offensive and there's a real pleasure in 600 00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:35,500 attacking your perfect nemesis. 601 00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:37,500 We're such poor opposites, 602 00:31:37,555 --> 00:31:41,398 with them being secretive and us hating secrets 603 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:46,666 and them being so inclusive and us being, you know, anybody can say they're anonymous 604 00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:49,000 and most importantly, how fucking self-important they were. 605 00:31:49,111 --> 00:31:50,740 They thought they were fucking untouchable. 606 00:31:50,777 --> 00:31:52,740 They thought they were like, you know, 607 00:31:52,777 --> 00:31:56,740 like their own little church mafia and shit, you know? 608 00:31:57,250 --> 00:32:00,740 Anonymous will.., it's like a play-toy now. 609 00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:03,600 We're gonna make you look, as stupid as shit. 610 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,444 What really kinda dared us and set us off about scientology 611 00:32:07,450 --> 00:32:10,250 is specifically the treatment of their critics. 612 00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:13,400 Anybody who says anything bad about scientology, 613 00:32:13,410 --> 00:32:15,750 is automatically some sort of criminal, 614 00:32:15,777 --> 00:32:17,900 some sort of crazy person, a drug addict. 615 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,400 It's just that kind of mentality that kind of, like, 616 00:32:21,666 --> 00:32:24,329 if anybody says anything bad about you, 617 00:32:24,333 --> 00:32:28,250 we're gonna fuck you over in the worst possible way. 618 00:32:28,750 --> 00:32:32,750 It resonated like, this feeling of disgust within us. 619 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,750 That was THE big problem. 620 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,700 The sensorship aspect of it. 621 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,500 The audacity of this creepy cult, 622 00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:42,400 to go into our territory 623 00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:44,400 and tell us that we can't post this? 624 00:32:44,666 --> 00:32:46,900 No, fuck them! No.. 625 00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:48,000 It's not gonna happen. 626 00:32:48,250 --> 00:32:51,400 And people who knew what Anonymous was to begin with were like, 627 00:32:51,500 --> 00:32:53,500 OMG, Anonymous is gonna go to war with scientology, 628 00:32:53,666 --> 00:32:55,000 this should be really interesting. 629 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,666 Especially, cause it's 2 weird-ass groups 630 00:32:57,750 --> 00:33:00,000 I mean, I've been an anon for a long time. 631 00:33:00,050 --> 00:33:02,159 I know Anonymous is really strange. 632 00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:05,750 They're weird and the stuff we like is weird 633 00:33:05,777 --> 00:33:08,000 and it's really not mainstream at all. 634 00:33:08,250 --> 00:33:09,500 Now you have scientology, 635 00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:13,666 also really weird, a lot of crazy shit goes down. 636 00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:16,100 Anybody on the outside, who's seen this, is going: 637 00:33:16,150 --> 00:33:18,230 "Let's watch these two retards fight. 638 00:33:18,750 --> 00:33:20,850 Both their pants are gonna fall down, they're gonna cripple 639 00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:22,000 and it's gonna hurt everybody 640 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,200 and it's gonna be hysterical." 641 00:33:23,250 --> 00:33:25,222 And what happened was all these people who were geared up, 642 00:33:25,250 --> 00:33:29,111 the infrastracture was build to war with other anons. 643 00:33:29,250 --> 00:33:30,777 ..said: you know what? Fuck it! 644 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,000 Everybody is gonna get together and pound the fuck out of scientology. 645 00:33:35,250 --> 00:33:41,000 And then that's when 4chan really reared into action, 646 00:33:41,250 --> 00:33:44,000 and they started to troll the church of scientology 647 00:33:44,250 --> 00:33:49,150 and this took the form of pranking the dianetics hotline, ordering pizzas.. 648 00:33:49,250 --> 00:33:51,444 Every fax number we get, we were sharing 'em all, 649 00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:55,000 every number we get, even blank pieces of paper, 650 00:33:55,250 --> 00:33:57,580 on a loop until we saw the ring. 651 00:33:57,850 --> 00:34:02,250 I got to call 'em on the phone and it's busy, busy, busy.. 652 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,000 That's their main dianetics hotline, 653 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,440 their dianetics 800-number. 654 00:34:06,666 --> 00:34:10,600 You can't get through, because anons have completely clogged it 655 00:34:10,628 --> 00:34:12,150 and probably saying just stupid shit. 656 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,500 The whole idea was just, you call 'em just to keep 'em on the phone. 657 00:34:14,555 --> 00:34:16,099 "What's up L. Ron (Hubbard), 658 00:34:16,111 --> 00:34:18,150 how do I dianetics my face?" 659 00:34:18,250 --> 00:34:20,000 They were not expecting that 660 00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:21,000 and they couldn't handle it. 661 00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:27,750 I'm Brian Mettenbrink. 662 00:34:28,250 --> 00:34:32,500 I always liked anything technical, mechanical, anything sciency really. 663 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,000 Computers do what you tell 'em to, they don't all of a sudden start doing 664 00:34:37,150 --> 00:34:44,000 weird stuff and if they do it's probably your fault and I was like that, you know, perfect really, in a way. 665 00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:48,000 I'd just gone to 4chan, just on pure happenstance and 666 00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:53,250 I saw a post about the scientology thing and I started looking up stuff and I'm like, oh, 667 00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:56,666 this is actually for a decent cause, I think I'll do this. 668 00:34:56,750 --> 00:35:00,450 You started seing all the stuff in /b/ and I saw the stuff in /b/ then. 669 00:35:00,500 --> 00:35:03,750 Everyone is gonna DDoS scientology, everyone is going to bandwidth-rape them. 670 00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:06,200 Anonymous members have developed a 671 00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:08,800 Distributed Denial of Service attack, 672 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:14,500 to a called, Low Orbit Ion Cannon, which is taken from a computer game. 673 00:35:14,750 --> 00:35:20,250 Low Orbit Ion Cannon is what's called an "endgame weapon" in Red Alert. 674 00:35:20,500 --> 00:35:24,500 All you had to do was literally follow instructions step by step. 675 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:30,250 I downloaded the program that's free and legal for anyone to download and use 676 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,750 and I followed the instructions and I typed in www.scientology.org 677 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:42,750 and I pushed "GO" and what it does is, it tells scientology.org, in this case, 678 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,222 to send their website to my computer about, 679 00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:49,500 I think it was 800.000 times in a weekend 680 00:35:49,730 --> 00:35:52,800 and I'm pretty sure I probably took it down myself, a couple of times. 681 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:53,750 This tool is, 682 00:35:53,777 --> 00:35:56,000 Low Orbit Ion Cannon, 683 00:35:56,250 --> 00:35:59,200 sometimes referred to as LOIC. 684 00:35:59,250 --> 00:36:01,777 I'm actually not breaking any laws, 685 00:36:01,798 --> 00:36:04,100 by using this tool against my own computer 686 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,318 at 127.0.0.1, 687 00:36:06,333 --> 00:36:08,300 which is a non-routeable address, 688 00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:13,500 but of course if I were to attack one of those other bigger sites out there, 689 00:36:13,666 --> 00:36:16,400 I would have severely been breaking the law 690 00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:19,000 and I would have been doing it, in a way that is quite easy to track. 691 00:36:19,250 --> 00:36:21,000 You put on the site, 692 00:36:21,250 --> 00:36:24,500 you see that the ip is correct, you make sure all these settings are good 693 00:36:24,666 --> 00:36:27,869 and you hit the button and off it goes. 694 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,250 It felt like you were making a difference 695 00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:33,500 just you, yourself 696 00:36:34,250 --> 00:36:37,000 and you didn't even have to leave your home. 697 00:36:37,150 --> 00:36:39,000 You just sat at your computer 698 00:36:39,009 --> 00:36:40,188 and followed instructions 699 00:36:40,222 --> 00:36:45,000 and you stood up for what you believe in, so to speak, you made your say in the world 700 00:36:45,250 --> 00:36:47,500 and hopefully it turns out better for it. 701 00:36:47,730 --> 00:36:51,000 That was some really crazy stuff to watch, 702 00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:54,450 to be sitting there in front of a monitor and you have information 703 00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:59,748 just flying in front of you and it's this unseeable internet war. 704 00:36:59,750 --> 00:37:01,500 And one of the guys said, we need to make a video. 705 00:37:01,555 --> 00:37:02,750 We just have to make a video. 706 00:37:03,500 --> 00:37:05,750 "Hello, leaders of scientology 707 00:37:05,850 --> 00:37:07,000 we are Anonymous." 708 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,000 When the video came out on January 21st, 709 00:37:10,168 --> 00:37:12,500 that was one of the first times that Anonymous, 710 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,750 as a culture, 711 00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:19,500 started referring to itself as Anonymous as a movement and 712 00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:22,208 declare that it was going to take down 713 00:37:22,222 --> 00:37:24,600 and destroy the church of scientology. 714 00:37:24,650 --> 00:37:26,150 That video probably changed everything. 715 00:37:26,750 --> 00:37:30,000 "Knowledge is free. We are Anonymous, we are legion. 716 00:37:30,100 --> 00:37:32,666 We do not forgive, we do not forget. 717 00:37:32,750 --> 00:37:33,750 Expect us." 718 00:37:34,250 --> 00:37:36,222 It basically looked like, if a computer was going to tell you, 719 00:37:36,250 --> 00:37:38,500 that it was gonna beat the shit out of you, this is what it would look like. 720 00:37:38,750 --> 00:37:42,000 That one video, really galvanized that moment, 721 00:37:42,250 --> 00:37:45,000 that moment of innovation. 722 00:37:45,050 --> 00:37:46,250 That's exactly like, 723 00:37:46,500 --> 00:37:50,500 with that video internet activism, as it's known today, was born. 724 00:37:50,666 --> 00:37:54,000 What the video was saying was: It's over. 725 00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:55,700 You're not going to be able to 726 00:37:55,728 --> 00:37:58,750 follow people back to their houses anymore with impunity. 727 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,666 You're not gonna be able to just issue cease-and-desist letters. 728 00:38:02,700 --> 00:38:08,708 Any reporter, who wants to write some shit about you, that you don't like, that's done with. 729 00:38:08,708 --> 00:38:11,000 Everytime you do that, Anonymous is gonna hit you harder. 730 00:38:11,350 --> 00:38:13,333 So we made a video named, 'Call to Arms'. It said: 731 00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:15,666 We're going to the streets, every major city of the world 732 00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:17,100 has a scientology building. 733 00:38:17,250 --> 00:38:19,329 "Be very wary of the 10th of February. 734 00:38:19,333 --> 00:38:22,900 Anonymous invites you to join us in an act of solidarity. 735 00:38:22,929 --> 00:38:29,219 Anonymous invites you to take up the banner of free speech, of human rights, of family and freedom. 736 00:38:29,222 --> 00:38:33,000 Join us in protest outside of scientology centers worldwide." 737 00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:36,500 ..and you just see this consensus forming that it's going to happen. 738 00:38:36,666 --> 00:38:39,100 So we made the 3rd video, the 'Code of Conduct.' 739 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,500 Don't bring weapons, dress accordingly, 740 00:38:41,666 --> 00:38:43,000 cover your faces, 'cause they will try and find out 741 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,600 who you are and screw with your life. 742 00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:46,300 "Rule number 17: 743 00:38:46,333 --> 00:38:51,350 Cover your face. This will prevent your identification from videos taken by hostiles." 744 00:38:51,450 --> 00:38:54,878 Scientology has a history of harassing, 745 00:38:54,878 --> 00:38:58,719 stalking and just generally doing horrible things to it's critics, 746 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,728 so people needed a way to hide their identities. 747 00:39:01,728 --> 00:39:04,000 A lot of people had very legitimate fears. 748 00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:05,800 They don't want to be followed home, they don't want to be stalked, 749 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,000 they don't wanna put their families or themselves in danger. 750 00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:09,550 Everyone was all, well, we're gonna wear a mask. 751 00:39:09,666 --> 00:39:12,666 What's the only mask that we all already know, or have a joke about? 752 00:39:12,750 --> 00:39:14,500 ..and it's the Guy Fawkes mask. 753 00:39:14,750 --> 00:39:15,750 You seen the movie 'V for Vendetta'? 754 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,500 You know, the ending scene where everyone is wearing a Guy Fawkes mask. 755 00:39:18,666 --> 00:39:23,000 That is very reminescent of what Anonymous thinks, Anonymous is. 756 00:39:28,958 --> 00:39:33,750 We wanted to represent anonimity in some way, when it moved into real life. 757 00:39:33,850 --> 00:39:35,666 I think that the Guy Fawkes mask, 758 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,750 was one of the most natural things to happen. 759 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,150 It is the idea that, non of us are as cruel as all of us. 760 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,950 You have this massive crowd of people who are Anonymous, 761 00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:50,550 that is going to fight against a bigger thing and win. 762 00:39:50,666 --> 00:39:53,190 Even after watching the video it's like, yeah this is great but, 763 00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:56,150 who is actually gonna do it? Who's gonna step up? 764 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,500 Our people are actually gonna get out of their house?! 765 00:39:59,750 --> 00:40:03,150 And I guess we were really affected by the stereotype of 766 00:40:03,150 --> 00:40:04,250 that whole community 767 00:40:04,250 --> 00:40:08,259 their being insolent when they're too afraid to leave their mum's basements. 768 00:40:08,259 --> 00:40:11,000 I figured, maybe 50 nerds from every city somewhere 769 00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:15,450 might show up and wear their masks out of a building for a while and leave. 770 00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:16,750 No one thought that they were gonna come out. 771 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:22,500 This is me on the way there. I haven't slept, very fuckin' tired.. 772 00:40:22,750 --> 00:40:26,750 ..and I remember going to the park that day and it's really early in the morning 773 00:40:26,750 --> 00:40:28,250 (which I thought was a bad idea) 774 00:40:29,500 --> 00:40:32,500 and I'm smoking a cigarette and I'm looking around like, where the fuck is everybody? 775 00:40:32,666 --> 00:40:33,800 There's nobody here. 776 00:40:35,498 --> 00:40:38,666 So here I am. Sitting in Bronx Park, 777 00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:41,333 waiting for the other anons to show up. 778 00:40:41,878 --> 00:40:45,333 I remember thinking, like, oh fuck! Am I gonna be the only one in the park? 779 00:40:45,350 --> 00:40:48,358 Am I going to walk to scientology with 6 or 7 people, 780 00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:53,750 which totally defeats the entire purpose of this because now they could single me out? You know? 781 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,500 Then I get up and I start walking around 782 00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:58,500 and I see there's a lot of green balloons over there, for some reason, 783 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,200 on the other side of the park! 784 00:41:01,250 --> 00:41:04,000 There was like 200 people! 785 00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:06,500 There was Guy Fawkes masks everywhere 786 00:41:06,666 --> 00:41:09,500 and I'm like, holy shit, this is huge! 787 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:16,000 There's a lot of us. That's pretty good. 788 00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:19,333 I had no idea how many anons there were until we started moving.. 789 00:41:21,500 --> 00:41:23,690 ..and it just got bigger! 790 00:41:26,500 --> 00:41:29,200 I remember walking through Times Square and 791 00:41:29,250 --> 00:41:32,666 everybody in Times Square was an anon. 792 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,500 This is like a 1000 person per minute foot traffic area 793 00:41:36,666 --> 00:41:39,666 and everywhere I'm looking, I'm seeing anon's symbols. 794 00:41:39,666 --> 00:41:39,666 795 00:41:39,666 --> 00:41:39,666 796 00:41:41,250 --> 00:41:43,750 It was fucking wild! It was really wild. 797 00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:43,750

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804 00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:09,000 ..we start getting numbers in.. 805 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,750 ..and Sidney: 806 00:42:10,888 --> 00:42:13,888 We're thinking that, it's going to be 50 people 807 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,750 and before 10am, 808 00:42:16,888 --> 00:42:19,000 before even time, there's already 50 people there 809 00:42:19,250 --> 00:42:21,748 and there's still streams of people walking down the streets. 810 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,500 A couple of hours into it, you know, 811 00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:26,666 'cause it could have been till 1 in the morning, 812 00:42:26,750 --> 00:42:29,250 you're looking at Sidney as.. wow! 813 00:42:29,333 --> 00:42:31,000 There's 250 people in Sidney. 814 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,250 The cops are estimating higher than that for their reports. 815 00:42:34,666 --> 00:42:36,250 What just happened? 816 00:42:36,333 --> 00:42:38,750 Adelaide, Perth and Melbourne happened 817 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,750 and you know, over 200 in each of them. 818 00:42:40,888 --> 00:42:43,750 We nearly broke a thousand leaving Australia. 819 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,750 Now, the next protest was Tel Aviv, 820 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,000 which had actually got it's first scientology building a week before this. 821 00:42:50,250 --> 00:42:54,000 There were Palestinians and Israelis at this protest, both holding their flags 822 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,800 and at one point, they actually switched flags and held up each other's flags. 823 00:42:56,850 --> 00:42:58,200 It was awesome to see. 824 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,100 I call our guy in London, a Brit anon 825 00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:02,989 and I say hey, what's going on there? 826 00:43:02,989 --> 00:43:04,750 And he's like, did you just get out of bed? 827 00:43:04,750 --> 00:43:06,250 I said, yeah, I didn't even turn on the computer, 828 00:43:06,250 --> 00:43:07,250 I just figured I'd call you. 829 00:43:07,333 --> 00:43:11,750 And he said, we've got 600 people and the cops are really mad at me. 830 00:43:13,150 --> 00:43:15,900 All the major cities were having hundreds of people come out. 831 00:43:16,100 --> 00:43:17,000 It was massive! 832 00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:20,750 Clearwater had like 300 people. 833 00:43:22,478 --> 00:43:24,000 I don't think anyone beat out L.A. 834 00:43:24,250 --> 00:43:26,500 I think L.A. had over a thousand people. 835 00:43:30,148 --> 00:43:33,500 The thing that happened was something completely different, 836 00:43:33,550 --> 00:43:37,200 hundreds and hundreds of people from every city, 837 00:43:37,250 --> 00:43:39,500 just.. swarmed the streets. 838 00:43:40,500 --> 00:43:44,350 It's kind of overwhelming, a little even scary, but scary in a good way. 839 00:43:44,366 --> 00:43:47,000 Soon, you know, we'd outrun the 10.000 mark 840 00:43:47,150 --> 00:43:50,500 and we were joking the whole time, over 9000, you know, one of those memes. 841 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,666 It was too sureal, it was not believeable. 842 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,600 We go by one name. 843 00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:59,500 We are Anonymous. 844 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:01,750 It was very empowering, 845 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,333 especially after people saw thousands of people showing up. 846 00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:07,250 This was it. We owned the world at that point. 847 00:44:07,799 --> 00:44:09,600 You've got lolcats and you've got Rickrolling, 848 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,550 you've got all these other things, that Anonymous has been involved in.. 849 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,250 ..then you know, take us a month later and 850 00:44:16,333 --> 00:44:18,750 10.000 people were just in the streets, 851 00:44:19,500 --> 00:44:23,500 in every major country in the world and every major city in the world 852 00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:25,750 and what the hell just happened? 853 00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:28,800 What changed, who flipped the switch? 854 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,333 The world looked very different to me at that point. 855 00:44:31,666 --> 00:44:33,888 We all met each other. 856 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:38,666 The idea of an anon is, you're alone until you get to 4chan 857 00:44:38,888 --> 00:44:41,500 and then these people think like you. 858 00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:47,850 Then, all of a sudden, you're not alone, you are with 500 others. 859 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,909 They all know the same jokes as you, 860 00:44:50,909 --> 00:44:55,000 they all, clearly, have similar interests as you. 861 00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:57,000 Here's your culture. 862 00:44:57,949 --> 00:45:01,333 You meet your own people finally. 863 00:45:03,878 --> 00:45:08,750 Immediately you felt like you were at home, if you were an anon you were at home. 864 00:45:08,850 --> 00:45:12,500 We all spent years in the same place looking at the same pictures, 865 00:45:12,666 --> 00:45:14,750 laughing at the same jokes, 866 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,100 pretty much we were already friends, even though we've never ever met. 867 00:45:18,250 --> 00:45:21,500 It was very happy. 868 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,750 It's perhaps a little surprising. 869 00:45:25,888 --> 00:45:28,800 It's not just pre-teens or teenagers, 870 00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:33,000 there's a far more even mix of males and females, 871 00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:34,900 than you would imagine otherwise. 872 00:45:35,100 --> 00:45:38,950 Everyone always figured Anonymous was a very male ..thing. 873 00:45:39,150 --> 00:45:41,600 But it wasn't like that, at all. 874 00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:44,000 There's some hot girls come through, 875 00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:46,000 like, it's some really (..!), 876 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,108 you'd be surprised.. 877 00:45:49,250 --> 00:45:52,700 ..and you know there were a lot of these guys who weren't socially good. 878 00:45:52,888 --> 00:45:54,150 They were very awkward, 879 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,250 they still lived at home at 23, half of them virgins 880 00:45:57,250 --> 00:46:03,200 and I tell you, the amount of those people who got laid from these protests happening, 881 00:46:03,333 --> 00:46:07,900 is in the thousands, that would not have, for years probably. 882 00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:10,000 That's why those protests were so important. 883 00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:16,000 It was a chance to finally meet other people that were previously Anonymous and unknown 884 00:46:16,050 --> 00:46:19,750 and hence it was the moment of the end of their anonymity. 885 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:29,250 Scientology, they kind of fought back, so to speak. They posted stuff online. 886 00:46:29,500 --> 00:46:31,568 While claiming they are peaceful, 887 00:46:31,568 --> 00:46:35,950 in less than 3 weeks, Anonymous members made or encouraged: 888 00:46:36,333 --> 00:46:40,500 8139 harassing or threatening phonecalls, 889 00:46:41,250 --> 00:46:44,666 3.6 million malicious e-mails, 890 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,750 141 million hits against church websites, 891 00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:52,000 10 acts of vandalism, 892 00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:54,750 22 bomb threats 893 00:46:55,059 --> 00:47:00,200 and 8 death threats against members and officials of the church of scientology. 894 00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:05,050 They basically antagonized, really is what they did, 895 00:47:05,050 --> 00:47:07,000 which is really one of the things they're great at. 896 00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:09,200 They wanted to find me. 897 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,750 They did. They hired PI's. 898 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,450 They started taking pictures of us, threatening to sue us. 899 00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:16,100 People were getting followed, 900 00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:18,100 people were getting followed home, 901 00:47:18,250 --> 00:47:20,539 (..) be a regular thing for someone to say, 902 00:47:20,539 --> 00:47:23,750 oh, I had to lose someone on the subway, 903 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:28,150 I saw someone from the scientology center and they were following me. 904 00:47:28,750 --> 00:47:30,938 They would follow us to our houses, 905 00:47:30,938 --> 00:47:33,750 tried to intimidate us, send us cease-and-desist letters. 906 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,900 They had a P.I. hand deliver a cease-and-desist letter from a very expensive lawyer. 907 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,850 It was a double message there, you know, it was a hey, 908 00:47:41,900 --> 00:47:45,900 we know were you live, man we know your name and here's something from our lawyer. 909 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,666 These old tactics that they used, 910 00:47:51,700 --> 00:47:55,250 to fight the activism they faced before the internet just.., 911 00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:58,666 were completely ineffective against chanology. 912 00:48:00,750 --> 00:48:04,500 Most of the people who received them, actually framed them and put them on their wall. 913 00:48:04,668 --> 00:48:06,250 I've seen multiple of them framed and put on the wall. 914 00:48:06,333 --> 00:48:07,948 Mine is sitting in my closet somewhere, in a box. 915 00:48:08,100 --> 00:48:10,688 They don't care to actually use the legal system to 916 00:48:10,750 --> 00:48:14,250 get you thrown in jail, they care to use the legal system to get you to stop. 917 00:48:17,250 --> 00:48:21,750 I did the whole Low Orbit Ion Cannon stuff and then 918 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,750 I pretty much just went about my life after that 919 00:48:25,250 --> 00:48:28,000 for probably, 920 00:48:28,250 --> 00:48:32,500 6 months and then the FBI showed up here at my parents house, where I wasn't, 921 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,450 looking for me. 922 00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:37,600 2 men got out of a car and 923 00:48:37,666 --> 00:48:39,469 (-flashed their guns) 924 00:48:39,469 --> 00:48:42,458 took their jackets off and laid their guns on the 925 00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:47,250 front seat and came out to ask us if Brian was home 926 00:48:48,500 --> 00:48:53,000 and explained that they were the FBI and they were looking for Brian 927 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,500 and I've never been so scared. 928 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,500 And then my parents directed them to where I was living 929 00:48:59,750 --> 00:49:01,259 and they showed up and said, 930 00:49:01,333 --> 00:49:03,628 I'd like to have a friendly conversation with you 931 00:49:03,650 --> 00:49:05,619 and I had the worst friendly conversation of my life. 932 00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:09,750 We sat down at my dining room table and they just started asking me questions 933 00:49:09,850 --> 00:49:14,500 and I'm trying to figure out what they are here for, 'cause I have no idea 934 00:49:15,500 --> 00:49:18,888 and they eventually started asking me questions about Anonymous. 935 00:49:19,250 --> 00:49:20,750 I was scared to death. 936 00:49:20,888 --> 00:49:22,666 I mean, my son is, 937 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,150 is looking at 5 years in jail 938 00:49:27,330 --> 00:49:29,500 and a 100.000$ fine. 939 00:49:29,888 --> 00:49:32,400 I had no idea, that it was any sort of 940 00:49:32,500 --> 00:49:37,250 dispicable crime to do what I did. I thought it was the kind of 'slap on the wrist', 941 00:49:37,333 --> 00:49:39,628 200$ fine type crime. 942 00:49:41,628 --> 00:49:44,500 So I actually told them, that I did it at that point. 943 00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:48,000 Then it went from there. 944 00:49:49,518 --> 00:49:51,666 I would've never ever believed that, 945 00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:52,850 the maximum punishment for this, 946 00:49:52,888 --> 00:49:54,750 was 5 years in prison. 947 00:49:55,700 --> 00:49:57,750 It was a very eye-opening experience. 948 00:49:58,333 --> 00:50:00,333 I had a little bit of trouble accepting it, 949 00:50:00,500 --> 00:50:03,250 knowing that, I could go to prison for 5 years, 950 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:10,000 knowing that, I would be imprisoned from age 20 to 25 for this. 951 00:50:10,333 --> 00:50:11,888 I thought, that was a little bit extreme. 952 00:50:12,777 --> 00:50:15,250 I tell people, that it would be different if they 953 00:50:15,550 --> 00:50:20,500 drank and drove and killed somebody. 954 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,500 But he didn't do that. 955 00:50:24,500 --> 00:50:28,500 It's hard to deal with, harder to deal with, 956 00:50:28,666 --> 00:50:30,000 'cause he didn't do that. 957 00:50:30,250 --> 00:50:33,000 He just pushed a button on his computer and, 958 00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:35,666 as he explained it to me at the time, 959 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,500 it was like pushing the refresh button 960 00:50:39,789 --> 00:50:44,000 over and over, 800.000 times 961 00:50:45,250 --> 00:50:47,550 and it seems like such a little thing. 962 00:50:48,250 --> 00:50:51,333 I did the 2nd-most damages, what scientology said I did, 963 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,666 I sent 2nd-most out of everybody, 964 00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:56,088 so I got the maximum, for my category, 965 00:50:56,100 --> 00:50:58,750 which was 1 year in prison and 1 year supervised release. 966 00:50:58,750 --> 00:50:58,750 967 00:51:02,500 --> 00:51:05,750 I think the way I feel for what I did, 968 00:51:06,500 --> 00:51:08,500 was one of the most 969 00:51:08,929 --> 00:51:11,250 lopsided punishments I've ever 970 00:51:11,250 --> 00:51:11,250 971 00:51:11,250 --> 00:51:13,666 read about or heard of. 972 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,750 Yeah, I think it's ridiculous, 973 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,750 especially the year supervised release 974 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,100 where I can't touch a computer for a year. 975 00:51:22,250 --> 00:51:26,000 I'm not sure what's that supposed to solve, except make my life difficult. 976 00:51:26,333 --> 00:51:29,100 So, that computer behind me back there, 977 00:51:29,250 --> 00:51:31,918 I could go back to prison if I went over and touched it. 978 00:51:31,918 --> 00:51:34,838 I can't knowingly associate with members of Anonymous. 979 00:51:35,250 --> 00:51:38,688 They just made a big deal about scientology's religion and that 980 00:51:38,750 --> 00:51:41,500 this is America and you can believe in whatever you wanna believe. 981 00:51:43,333 --> 00:51:45,028 I'm pretty sure they actually compared me to 982 00:51:45,028 --> 00:51:48,000 the KKK and the nazis and stuff in the court room. 983 00:51:48,500 --> 00:51:50,450 It's a completely different issue. 984 00:51:50,666 --> 00:51:53,250 I'm very proud of what he did. 985 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,400 He stood up for what he believed in, 986 00:51:55,500 --> 00:52:00,000 but that was never ever mentioned. 987 00:52:01,389 --> 00:52:04,500 I never would even dream of hurting anybody. 988 00:52:06,750 --> 00:52:07,500 Not me. 989 00:52:12,750 --> 00:52:15,666 Prior to Anonymous, critics of the church 990 00:52:15,888 --> 00:52:18,500 still had to be very-very careful, 991 00:52:19,529 --> 00:52:21,950 because of the agressive lawsuits 992 00:52:22,250 --> 00:52:25,666 that were launched against academics, journalists and other critics. 993 00:52:26,250 --> 00:52:28,250 I would say that era is over 994 00:52:28,450 --> 00:52:32,666 and Anonymous more than any other sort of intervention is probably 995 00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:34,500 responsible for that change. 996 00:52:34,666 --> 00:52:37,000 This is actually called a decent rift in Anonymous. 997 00:52:37,250 --> 00:52:40,358 There was one big group, significant group of people who'd say: 998 00:52:40,666 --> 00:52:44,333 this chanology stuff is cancer, is awful, is bad, 999 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,300 is just bringing attention to us that we don't want. 1000 00:52:46,333 --> 00:52:49,666 The trolling isn't happening, we're not getting our jollies, 1001 00:52:49,888 --> 00:52:54,429 now this is all really serious and moral and somber, 1002 00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,150 that's not what I signed up for, that kind of thing 1003 00:52:59,250 --> 00:53:02,500 and then there are the people who were on the other side who were going, 1004 00:53:03,108 --> 00:53:07,298 I only signed up for the serious and somber. You guys, go away. 1005 00:53:09,298 --> 00:53:15,148 (..) and it became this fierce clash of ideologies and it was alien to us. 1006 00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:20,000 They decided that, in their own words, which I was privy to 'cause it was told to me, 1007 00:53:20,250 --> 00:53:22,500 stop ruinning our bad name. 1008 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,250 So to make Anonymous look bad, they go off and they post 1009 00:53:26,300 --> 00:53:30,500 animated .gifs, animated images to epilepsy forums, 1010 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,550 that are black and white just strobing really quickly, 1011 00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:38,480 so any of the epilepsy people on these support forums see it and they fall off their chairs and seizure. 1012 00:53:38,888 --> 00:53:40,750 You start hearing this term, moralfag. 1013 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,333 If you're not out there making epileptics have seizures, then you're doing it wrong. 1014 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,000 So you're a moral fag. 1015 00:53:46,333 --> 00:53:48,000 Which is what I am, a moralfag. 1016 00:53:48,005 --> 00:53:50,500 Those who wanna use Anonymous as 1017 00:53:50,666 --> 00:53:53,250 a tool for good in some sense 1018 00:53:53,929 --> 00:53:57,250 rather than just do what we were used to do, which is to screw with video games. 1019 00:53:57,500 --> 00:53:59,666 One anon said it well once. 1020 00:53:59,888 --> 00:54:02,250 There is no leader, 1021 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,500 their ops have 1022 00:54:05,250 --> 00:54:07,666 momentary leaders, defacto leaders. 1023 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,100 I like to describe this 1024 00:54:10,550 --> 00:54:13,100 with a picture of a bird swarm. 1025 00:54:15,550 --> 00:54:18,199 Everybody's flying very, very quiet 1026 00:54:18,222 --> 00:54:21,200 suddenly one bird flies in another direction 1027 00:54:21,250 --> 00:54:25,400 and the mass fly into the same direction, following that person. 1028 00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:31,700 It's totally okay to say, "I'm sorry, I don't take part." 1029 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,600 When Chanology was running full force 1030 00:54:37,300 --> 00:54:40,888 it was like a kid stretching for the first time 1031 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,250 and actually seeing their real power. 1032 00:54:45,333 --> 00:54:47,500 It's the teenage period actually... 1033 00:54:47,700 --> 00:54:50,378 ...trying Operation Titstorm. 1034 00:54:51,500 --> 00:54:52,500 Operation Titstorm. 1035 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,000 Australia over the past couple of years, has been relatively 1036 00:54:56,250 --> 00:54:58,333 malignant in their attitude towards internet freedom, 1037 00:54:58,500 --> 00:54:59,777 compared to other western countries. 1038 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,333 A guy named tux, wanted to attack the Australian goverment, 1039 00:55:03,350 --> 00:55:06,500 in retaliation for upcoming internet censorship laws. 1040 00:55:06,550 --> 00:55:11,666 One of them involved banning pornography with women with small breasts, for some reason, 1041 00:55:12,750 --> 00:55:16,666 so that was the first time that Anonymous went up against a goverment. 1042 00:55:16,750 --> 00:55:19,250 When they did, they DDoS'd and took down several goverment sites. 1043 00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,500 It was the first time that Anonymous 1044 00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:24,400 was going up against a state. 1045 00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:28,750 If you'd ask me, 1046 00:55:28,888 --> 00:55:32,200 all throughout 2008 and most of 2009, 1047 00:55:32,250 --> 00:55:36,333 is the politics of Anonymous, always going to be sutured and hinged to 1048 00:55:36,350 --> 00:55:38,333 the church of scientology, 1049 00:55:38,500 --> 00:55:40,000 I would have said yes. 1050 00:55:41,025 --> 00:55:44,250 and it became unsutured, unhinged, 1051 00:55:44,333 --> 00:55:47,888 when a different political wing was born in 2010. 1052 00:55:47,888 --> 00:55:47,888

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1055 00:55:48,208 --> 00:55:53,750 The motion picture association (MPAA) had hired an Indian software firm, 1056 00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,600 to DDoS the pirate bay 1057 00:55:56,666 --> 00:56:01,750 and Anonymous, coming out of 4chan, DDoS'd the motion picture association of America, 1058 00:56:01,888 --> 00:56:04,500 as well as other groups like the recording industry association. 1059 00:56:06,350 --> 00:56:08,250 It angered people for a lot of different reasons. 1060 00:56:08,300 --> 00:56:10,100 Obviously one of the reasons was that they were 1061 00:56:10,125 --> 00:56:12,150 attempting to censor the Internet. 1062 00:56:12,250 --> 00:56:14,500 Another of the reasons, though, was that 1063 00:56:14,666 --> 00:56:17,000 people in Anonymous had been arrested before for 1064 00:56:17,025 --> 00:56:20,666 taking part in such attacks, 1065 00:56:20,750 --> 00:56:22,250 say on the Church of Scientology 1066 00:56:22,333 --> 00:56:24,050 and other targets that there had been before. 1067 00:56:24,100 --> 00:56:26,250 I think there was a big sense of the hypocrisy. 1068 00:56:26,666 --> 00:56:32,500 This was the moment a kind of network, a kind of architecture was born where, 1069 00:56:32,666 --> 00:56:35,000 there was a different node that was unrelated. 1070 00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:36,900 Some people crossed over 1071 00:56:37,100 --> 00:56:40,100 and they were connected by aesthetics and by ethics 1072 00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:42,750 and yet that was a different ship that was sailing. 1073 00:56:49,679 --> 00:56:54,333 It's our task, to find secret abusive plans 1074 00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:00,550 and expose them, where they can be opposed, before they're implemented. 1075 00:57:00,750 --> 00:57:02,550 The intersting thing about Julian Assange, 1076 00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,150 is that he actually also sprang from 1077 00:57:05,888 --> 00:57:07,250 a hacker culture. 1078 00:57:07,300 --> 00:57:09,768 It's a mentality of spreading information. 1079 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:11,500 Julian was Mendax, 1080 00:57:11,550 --> 00:57:14,000 he was the greatest hacker that ever walked the face of the earth 1081 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,409 when I was a kid, they rumored he can move satelites around in space 1082 00:57:17,409 --> 00:57:19,000 by hacking into NASA. 1083 00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:21,829 Maybe it never happened but 1084 00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:26,100 it was a myth that kept young kids like me wanting to plug a computer into a modem 1085 00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:28,200 and see if I can move some satelites around. 1086 00:57:28,250 --> 00:57:31,150 WikiLeaks is an instantiation of the hacker ethos. 1087 00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,510 Truth wants to be free and we want to liberate it. 1088 00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:39,250 WikiLeaks released a huge trove of diplomatic cables. 1089 00:57:39,300 --> 00:57:43,600 There's a lot of controversy from every quarter of society. 1090 00:57:43,666 --> 00:57:49,289 The WikiLeaks website released nearly 400.000 secret US files on the Iraq war late today, 1091 00:57:49,333 --> 00:57:52,750 it was the largest leak of classified US files in history. 1092 00:57:53,100 --> 00:57:57,250 The diplomatic cables show the US is spying on it's alies. 1093 00:57:57,500 --> 00:58:02,500 Lots of things which were understood in private and may have been, not even talked about explicitly, 1094 00:58:02,550 --> 00:58:05,000 suddenly they're out there, in the cold light of day 1095 00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,000 and it's going to make some goverments and some individuals very uncomfortable. 1096 00:58:08,750 --> 00:58:12,666 He was showing the world a glimpse of how 1097 00:58:12,750 --> 00:58:14,900 the powerful elite actually work, 1098 00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:16,333 at least to some extend, I mean 1099 00:58:16,350 --> 00:58:19,000 these are fairly low level diplomats 1100 00:58:19,100 --> 00:58:20,800 sending messages back and forth 1101 00:58:20,888 --> 00:58:24,000 but it's a side of government you hardly ever see 1102 00:58:24,100 --> 00:58:25,990 and it's pretty eye opening and, 1103 00:58:25,999 --> 00:58:27,666 you know, once it's out it's out. 1104 00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,290 I think information wants to be free 1105 00:58:30,300 --> 00:58:32,600 and let's look at it, let's analyze it. 1106 00:58:32,750 --> 00:58:34,888 It's important that we know such stuff, 1107 00:58:34,900 --> 00:58:37,600 It's important that we know what our governments do 1108 00:58:37,650 --> 00:58:40,666 and if they don't tell us, then somebody has to. 1109 00:58:40,750 --> 00:58:42,500 It's time to open the archives 1110 00:58:42,666 --> 00:58:47,250 There was one particular moment, that really sparked the fire 1111 00:58:47,333 --> 00:58:52,000 and this was when PayPal, Mastercard and Amazon, 1112 00:58:52,050 --> 00:58:54,333 pulled services for WikiLeaks. 1113 00:58:54,500 --> 00:58:56,250 So all of a sudden, there's no way to actually 1114 00:58:56,333 --> 00:58:58,449 process donations to WikiLeaks. 1115 00:58:58,500 --> 00:59:00,333 Then their people went and found like, 1116 00:59:00,350 --> 00:59:05,450 neonazi groups.., Visa and Mastercard were perfectly fine with you being able to, 1117 00:59:05,500 --> 00:59:07,950 PayPal, being able to make donations to them. 1118 00:59:08,500 --> 00:59:10,666 But WikiLeaks, No! 1119 00:59:10,980 --> 00:59:15,888 You can pay the KKK, you can donate money to the Westboro Baptist church 1120 00:59:15,950 --> 00:59:18,599 with your PayPal and your fucking Mastercard, 1121 00:59:18,599 --> 00:59:21,888 but you can't give any money to WikiLeaks 1122 00:59:21,950 --> 00:59:24,400 and I think WikiLeaks is doing a good thing. 1123 00:59:24,500 --> 00:59:28,650 It's a total hypocrisy that they got their little fucking banking mafia 1124 00:59:28,660 --> 00:59:30,333 to fuck WikiLeaks over. 1125 00:59:30,750 --> 00:59:33,659 People were incredibly angry 1126 00:59:33,659 --> 00:59:35,333 and it was a real sense of rage. 1127 00:59:35,350 --> 00:59:37,000 There was, I think it was a sense that 1128 00:59:37,050 --> 00:59:38,840 WikiLeaks was exposing lies that 1129 00:59:38,850 --> 00:59:39,888 the government told to the people 1130 00:59:39,900 --> 00:59:41,450 and now the government was desperately trying 1131 00:59:41,500 --> 00:59:44,000 to make sure that those lies weren't exposed. 1132 00:59:44,250 --> 00:59:46,750 And then, there was just an intense 1133 00:59:46,777 --> 00:59:48,333 I can only call it fury. 1134 00:59:48,500 --> 00:59:51,166 If you're a hacker, it's one of those 'John F. Kennedy was shot' moments. 1135 00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:52,600 Not to actually compare it to that, 1136 00:59:52,620 --> 00:59:54,666 but it's one of those moments you always remember, 1137 00:59:54,750 --> 00:59:56,938 exactly where you were and when you heard it, I mean, 1138 00:59:56,938 --> 01:00:01,250 I just really never dreamed they would have the audacity. 1139 01:00:01,333 --> 01:00:04,100 Anonymous very quickly moves into an attack mode. 1140 01:00:04,350 --> 01:00:07,500 Anonymous DDoS'd PayPal. They were pissed! 1141 01:00:09,500 --> 01:00:17,250 Cyber protest, virtual sit-ins, however you wanna look at it, DDoS is a tool that is, 1142 01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:20,000 it's like driving a finished nail in with a sledgehammer. 1143 01:00:21,869 --> 01:00:25,888 The numbers of participants were massive. 1144 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:32,000 And they managed, over the course of a couple of days, 1145 01:00:32,050 --> 01:00:37,000 to disable the website of Mastercard and PayPal. 1146 01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,750 It was like watching the hack magician finally get a trick right, 1147 01:00:43,250 --> 01:00:48,500 because you're not expecting it and then it's magnificent, it was beautiful, 1148 01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,750 'cause what you had is, people finally stood up for something. 1149 01:00:54,200 --> 01:01:00,750 How long has it been since we had a huge really relevant protest. 1150 01:01:01,150 --> 01:01:06,000 I'm not talking Tea Party, I wanna bring my guns in public, I'm talking, 1151 01:01:08,750 --> 01:01:14,750 I'm talking 10.000 angry people said this is not right and I wanna do something about it. 1152 01:01:19,333 --> 01:01:23,666 Soon after January 2nd I believe WikiLeaks was blocked in Tunisia 1153 01:01:26,777 --> 01:01:28,999 and Anonymous got into that. 1154 01:01:29,666 --> 01:01:31,444 They then intervened, 1155 01:01:31,666 --> 01:01:36,333 at first solely for the purposes of like, stoping the censorship that was happening. 1156 01:01:36,444 --> 01:01:37,888 They did some DDoSing 1157 01:01:37,950 --> 01:01:41,250 and this was a time and period where they were getting involved, 1158 01:01:41,444 --> 01:01:43,888 with what I would call, non-internetees. 1159 01:01:43,950 --> 01:01:47,000 Social movements inbuilding lines of solidarity. 1160 01:01:47,548 --> 01:01:51,888 My name is Pete Fein, you can call me an internaut or a hacktivist. 1161 01:01:52,222 --> 01:01:56,666 Telecomix is an ad hoc cluster of volunteer net activists, 1162 01:01:56,888 --> 01:02:00,666 who have spent much of the last year trying to keep the internet running in the middle east. 1163 01:02:01,888 --> 01:02:05,469 During that time, we saw the Tunisian government, not only 1164 01:02:05,500 --> 01:02:09,444 sensoring and filtering the internet, but also doing some kind of 1165 01:02:09,666 --> 01:02:12,200 technical trickery to steal people's facebook passwords 1166 01:02:12,222 --> 01:02:14,666 and delete their posts and see who is posting what, 1167 01:02:14,888 --> 01:02:16,555 fake posts, stuff like that. 1168 01:02:16,888 --> 01:02:19,777 So Tunisian hackers came to us, 1169 01:02:19,888 --> 01:02:20,888 they were members of Anonymous 1170 01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:25,759 and I didn't even know we had members of Anonymous in Tunisia, so it was a shock to me 1171 01:02:25,777 --> 01:02:30,858 and they had the keys to some parts of the kingdom, 1172 01:02:30,888 --> 01:02:33,666 so to speak, when it came to the dictator in Tunisia. 1173 01:02:33,777 --> 01:02:38,555 We went in, on behalf of those Tunisian Anons and we helped them get that and extract it 1174 01:02:38,777 --> 01:02:40,888 and then it went to WikiLeaks. 1175 01:02:40,999 --> 01:02:44,222 The Tunisians overthrew Ben Ali, who was kind of an oppressive dictator. 1176 01:02:44,444 --> 01:02:48,777 A revolution that was facilitated by the internet, 1177 01:02:48,888 --> 01:02:51,777 by facebook and by twitter. 1178 01:02:51,888 --> 01:02:55,777 Not caused by it, I mean, 50 years of dictatorship has caused the offspring. 1179 01:02:55,999 --> 01:02:58,489 but the internet has certainly been helping. 1180 01:03:01,489 --> 01:03:05,222 There's a video where they are thanking us for being involved. 1181 01:03:05,888 --> 01:03:07,777 holding up a mask saying 1182 01:03:07,888 --> 01:03:10,444 we were the only ones who stood by their side. 1183 01:03:10,888 --> 01:03:12,555 Thank you Anonymous. 1184 01:03:13,666 --> 01:03:18,222 We want to let you know that you have found new allies... 1185 01:03:18,777 --> 01:03:21,222 For me it was... 1186 01:03:22,222 --> 01:03:25,999 ...awesome to hear that, and to feel the connection. 1187 01:03:26,555 --> 01:03:33,444 The same group of hackers, that target anti-WikiLeaks sites, have now turned their attention, to Egypt. 1188 01:03:35,333 --> 01:03:37,222 It could have been the lead up to the Egyptian revolution. 1189 01:03:37,333 --> 01:03:38,999 We would tweet on people's behalf. 1190 01:03:39,111 --> 01:03:42,300 We'd get people from Egypt, who weren't able to access 1191 01:03:42,333 --> 01:03:44,777 twitter on their own, on our IRC network 1192 01:03:44,888 --> 01:03:48,555 and we would trigger ports for them and tweet them out using our account, 1193 01:03:48,777 --> 01:03:51,555 to help them get the word out, 1194 01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:53,818 about what they were experiencing. 1195 01:03:57,888 --> 01:03:59,555 Some of this shit is personal 1196 01:03:59,666 --> 01:04:03,222 and one of the things, about the movement as a whole, 1197 01:04:03,500 --> 01:04:04,777 when Egypt broke around, 1198 01:04:04,888 --> 01:04:07,999 is that Egypt broke us, emotionally. 1199 01:04:08,444 --> 01:04:12,666 Watching in real time, with live feeds that we helped set up, 1200 01:04:12,750 --> 01:04:15,333 Egyptians get massacred with machine guns. 1201 01:04:16,888 --> 01:04:20,999 It was different and I have never in cyber activism wept before, 1202 01:04:21,222 --> 01:04:22,888 it's never bothered me like that, 1203 01:04:22,900 --> 01:04:24,999 it's never been able to touch me, 1204 01:04:25,111 --> 01:04:26,777 the way Egypt touched me. 1205 01:04:28,444 --> 01:04:30,628 It was fucked up, that we were watching people 1206 01:04:30,666 --> 01:04:33,444 killed, for no reason other than leaving their homes, 1207 01:04:33,500 --> 01:04:35,950 that these people had every right to freedom, 1208 01:04:36,222 --> 01:04:38,777 that they had every right to choose their government. 1209 01:04:40,333 --> 01:04:44,444 ..and then January 27th to 28th rolls around and 1210 01:04:44,555 --> 01:04:47,888 the Egyptian government starts shutting down 1211 01:04:48,444 --> 01:04:50,999 the internet, for the whole country. 1212 01:04:51,199 --> 01:04:53,222 There's this fantastic traffic-graph, 1213 01:04:53,333 --> 01:04:55,333 that you can see the traffic coming out of Egypt. 1214 01:04:55,444 --> 01:04:57,555 It's like this and then.. 1215 01:04:58,000 --> 01:04:59,444 ..just totally stops. 1216 01:04:59,999 --> 01:05:02,444 And we're just arrrghh, what the fuck, 1217 01:05:02,666 --> 01:05:05,888 to think that a country would completely cut itself off, 1218 01:05:06,444 --> 01:05:08,888 as much as they were able to, from the outside world. 1219 01:05:08,999 --> 01:05:10,999 It was pretty unthinkable. 1220 01:05:11,777 --> 01:05:15,222 We know bad things go on in the dark places. 1221 01:05:15,666 --> 01:05:17,555 And suddenly it got quiet. 1222 01:05:18,333 --> 01:05:23,444 I remember it was somehow, burned into my brain that 1223 01:05:23,555 --> 01:05:28,000 first Twitter was flooded and suddenly everything was quiet. 1224 01:05:29,869 --> 01:05:32,999 That's the kinda thing that could start riots. 1225 01:05:34,555 --> 01:05:37,888 I think when Mubarak did what he did, 1226 01:05:38,444 --> 01:05:41,222 I think it really upset people here, 1227 01:05:41,333 --> 01:05:42,900 as well as in the Middle East. 1228 01:05:42,999 --> 01:05:44,999 I put myself in their place 1229 01:05:45,333 --> 01:05:49,555 and I found myself in a desert of nothingness, 1230 01:05:49,666 --> 01:05:51,849 because he just wiped out everything, 1231 01:05:51,888 --> 01:05:53,999 that my world incorporated. 1232 01:05:54,444 --> 01:05:57,666 That just showed me and everybody else that, 1233 01:05:57,679 --> 01:06:01,700 the same thing can happen at any time, at any world, at any government. 1234 01:06:01,999 --> 01:06:05,666 Anonymous and the people on the internet, 1235 01:06:05,777 --> 01:06:07,666 stood up and said: 1236 01:06:07,699 --> 01:06:09,222 Go fuck yourself! 1237 01:06:10,555 --> 01:06:12,600 You wanna shut down their internet? 1238 01:06:12,666 --> 01:06:13,888 Fine. 1239 01:06:14,555 --> 01:06:17,555 The people on the internet will show them how to turn it back on. 1240 01:06:18,333 --> 01:06:21,222 It's almost like the Internet has an actual pain. 1241 01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:22,999 It's like the Internet is a living thing. 1242 01:06:23,050 --> 01:06:24,777 It's like a conscious thing that gets up and says, 1243 01:06:24,888 --> 01:06:26,111 "No, you can't do that!" 1244 01:06:26,500 --> 01:06:29,200 A lot of my friends helped with encryption, 1245 01:06:29,250 --> 01:06:31,750 helped people on the ground in those countries 1246 01:06:31,777 --> 01:06:35,222 validate SSL keys and certficates 1247 01:06:35,300 --> 01:06:38,999 and really showed them how to subvert their government 1248 01:06:39,222 --> 01:06:41,000 and become free. 1249 01:06:41,333 --> 01:06:43,222 And then Telecomix started to... 1250 01:06:43,333 --> 01:06:46,500 ...tweet connections to the Internet, dial-up connections. 1251 01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:50,333 In Egypt the care package we put together included some kind of our comms information, 1252 01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:54,500 the ham radio, the dial modem, details. 1253 01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:59,179 In total we helped co-ordinate and ran about 500 dial-up modem lines. 1254 01:07:01,333 --> 01:07:02,888 We also googled up 1255 01:07:03,444 --> 01:07:04,777 treatments for tear gas and 1256 01:07:04,888 --> 01:07:06,888 other kind of basic medical treatment 1257 01:07:06,999 --> 01:07:10,888 and found folks who could translate that into Arabic. 1258 01:07:10,999 --> 01:07:14,555 Sort of, put this together in a nice one-page .pdf, in a fax 1259 01:07:14,666 --> 01:07:16,000 and off it goes. 1260 01:07:16,500 --> 01:07:19,444 I think the most effective thing was shutting down government websites. 1261 01:07:20,858 --> 01:07:24,111 We were taking down the dictator's webpages here. 1262 01:07:24,555 --> 01:07:26,222 It is cyber warfare at that point. 1263 01:07:26,333 --> 01:07:29,444 When you're dealing with a dictator like that, that's killing people, all the gloves are off. 1264 01:07:29,500 --> 01:07:31,777 We are going to not just take your websites offline, 1265 01:07:31,888 --> 01:07:33,999 we are gonna destroy your every communications. 1266 01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:37,500 We are gonna wreck you like, a nation state would wreck you. 1267 01:07:41,940 --> 01:07:46,800 In Cairo, Egypt, the crowds are shouting and screaming.. 1268 01:07:55,800 --> 01:08:01,148 President Hosni Mubarak has decided to step down from the office of president of the republic. 1269 01:08:06,444 --> 01:08:09,222 When Mubarak left, it was a "Hell Yeah!" moment. 1270 01:08:13,050 --> 01:08:16,999 People can rise up. People can make a change 1271 01:08:17,111 --> 01:08:19,999 and I think for a lot of people in America 1272 01:08:20,111 --> 01:08:23,888 it was the first time they had seen people rise up 1273 01:08:23,999 --> 01:08:25,950 and take down their government and say, 1274 01:08:26,050 --> 01:08:27,333 We're sick of this shit! 1275 01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:28,777 We're sick of the oppression. 1276 01:08:28,888 --> 01:08:32,333 We're sick of living as slaves to your power. 1277 01:08:33,498 --> 01:08:37,333 We had Egyptians come thank us, as for doing this stuff and I said something like, 1278 01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:40,500 look, you guys just get our back, if stuff goes down here. 1279 01:08:43,888 --> 01:08:47,999 Although it was awesome and it was one part we were fighting for... 1280 01:08:48,050 --> 01:08:52,777 for me it was quite clear it's not the end of the story. 1281 01:08:52,888 --> 01:08:59,666 That it's not suddenly changing into rainbows and nyan cats, or whatever, 1282 01:08:59,700 --> 01:09:02,850 but that we now have to watch even more. 1283 01:09:03,719 --> 01:09:06,448 The FBI is now investigating Anonymous, 1284 01:09:06,500 --> 01:09:09,500 a loose collection of rogue, tech savy hackers, 1285 01:09:09,555 --> 01:09:13,444 credited with bringing down the websites of Mastercard and Visa last December. 1286 01:09:13,666 --> 01:09:17,333 In, sort of, 40 raids back then, they ceased computers, cellphones, this kind of technical apparatus, 1287 01:09:17,500 --> 01:09:20,444 Sometimes, in the case of a 19 year old girl and her family, 1288 01:09:20,555 --> 01:09:22,500 they took her parents stuff, too. 1289 01:09:23,888 --> 01:09:25,555 There's always been a sort of cat and mouse dynamic, 1290 01:09:25,666 --> 01:09:28,333 not just in relation to the feds, but also to 1291 01:09:28,444 --> 01:09:31,333 the sort of groups, that have appointed themselves as 1292 01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:34,666 guardians of the republic and there's groups called like, backtrace security, 1293 01:09:34,888 --> 01:09:36,777 which may be a couple of deranged people who, 1294 01:09:36,888 --> 01:09:41,150 I think for personal reasons have, grievances against anonymous. 1295 01:09:42,555 --> 01:09:45,444 I've been threatened by people who are 1296 01:09:45,500 --> 01:09:46,777 former secret service agents, 1297 01:09:46,850 --> 01:09:49,400 who now run private security companies. 1298 01:09:50,999 --> 01:09:52,999 Suddenly on February 5th, 1299 01:09:53,222 --> 01:09:56,222 a Financial Times article comes out, that we all see. 1300 01:09:57,999 --> 01:10:01,750 It's quoting this guy named Aaron Barr, who's the CEO of HBGary Federal, 1301 01:10:01,777 --> 01:10:03,809 which is an intelligence contractor 1302 01:10:03,850 --> 01:10:07,700 and Aaron Barr is telling this Financial Times journalist Joseph Menn, 1303 01:10:07,777 --> 01:10:12,500 that he's been secretly monitoring the Anon-Ops server, where all of this is going on 1304 01:10:12,555 --> 01:10:19,777 and has done so for several weeks and using his own, custom brand of information operations techniques, 1305 01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:23,888 has managed to identify the alleged leadership of Anonymous, 1306 01:10:23,999 --> 01:10:27,555 including 25 "lieutenants", some sort.. 1307 01:10:27,777 --> 01:10:29,999 We have to see this document, everyone wants to know. 1308 01:10:30,111 --> 01:10:32,666 We don't need to destroy him, we don't need to destroy his company, 1309 01:10:32,777 --> 01:10:35,444 we just need to see the document and we'll decide what comes next 1310 01:10:35,500 --> 01:10:36,666 after looking at the document. 1311 01:10:36,999 --> 01:10:40,555 So they get it. It was unbelievably easy to get into their network. 1312 01:10:40,666 --> 01:10:43,079 And my name was on there, as a string name 1313 01:10:43,333 --> 01:10:45,950 and Gregg Housh was listed there by string name. 1314 01:10:46,222 --> 01:10:48,222 The facts that matter is that, what he told the Financial Times was, 1315 01:10:48,300 --> 01:10:50,250 everything he told them, was mostly untrue 1316 01:10:50,333 --> 01:10:51,666 and very much hilariously so. 1317 01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:56,222 He had to be shut up, it had to be proven to the world, that this guy was a retard 1318 01:10:56,250 --> 01:10:58,340 and that his information was in no way valid. 1319 01:10:58,666 --> 01:11:00,555 ..and to put that in hacker terms, 1320 01:11:00,666 --> 01:11:04,444 Anonymous is a hornet's nest and Barr said, 1321 01:11:04,700 --> 01:11:07,444 I'm gonna stick my penis in that thing. 1322 01:11:07,888 --> 01:11:12,555 Into mere 24 hours he was owned, pawned completely, 1323 01:11:12,666 --> 01:11:15,666 by a small group of participants, 1324 01:11:15,750 --> 01:11:19,444 who basically went on a hacking rampage. 1325 01:11:19,500 --> 01:11:22,999 Faster than you can say, "Get these hornets off my penis!", 1326 01:11:23,555 --> 01:11:26,333 Anonymous took down Barr's website, 1327 01:11:26,350 --> 01:11:29,156 stole his e-mails, deleted the company's back-up data, 1328 01:11:29,222 --> 01:11:33,666 trashed his twitter account and remotely wiped his i-Pad. 1329 01:11:34,666 --> 01:11:38,888 And he had just reached the "Ham 'Em High" level in Angry Birds. 1330 01:11:39,555 --> 01:11:42,666 The HBGary hack brought about 70.000 e-mails. 1331 01:11:43,777 --> 01:11:48,933 By the most, important ones had to do with a proposal, 1332 01:11:48,999 --> 01:11:55,750 that HBGary had already formulated, it was packaged up as a nice powerpoint presentation, 1333 01:11:55,777 --> 01:11:59,666 kind of, act as privatise agent provocateaurs, 1334 01:11:59,777 --> 01:12:02,939 where they were gonna discredit WikiLeaks. 1335 01:12:02,999 --> 01:12:08,850 HBGary was proposing submitting fake documents to WikiLeaks and then, when discovered as fake, 1336 01:12:08,888 --> 01:12:12,111 the hare could be called out and it would dicredit WikiLeaks. 1337 01:12:12,222 --> 01:12:15,590 Right. So there are a lot of specifics I can't talk, 1338 01:12:15,590 --> 01:12:19,777 but let me try to answer that though, in a general sense. 1339 01:12:20,777 --> 01:12:25,333 First of all, it's probably no surprise to anybody, I'm not a big fan of WikiLeaks. 1340 01:12:25,444 --> 01:12:32,000 I think that the broad purpose of trying to get as much information, 1341 01:12:32,111 --> 01:12:35,748 proprietary or classified information from the government, expose that, 1342 01:12:35,777 --> 01:12:37,999 is an extremely destructive and dangerous purpose. 1343 01:12:38,999 --> 01:12:42,666 As Julian Assange, had a few months before noted, that they 1344 01:12:42,758 --> 01:12:46,999 had information on a major bank, showing wrong-doing and Bank of America, 1345 01:12:47,444 --> 01:12:49,333 somehow knew it was them. 1346 01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:54,555 And the proposals involved, for Bank of America and the WikiLeaks problem, they entailed 1347 01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:57,800 conducting information war on WikiLeaks and it's supporters, 1348 01:12:57,888 --> 01:12:59,666 claiming to sensor them, within WikiLeaks. 1349 01:13:01,111 --> 01:13:02,000 DDoS attacks. 1350 01:13:03,529 --> 01:13:06,700 You also wanted to launch cyber attacks on WikiLeaks' infrastructure, to get 1351 01:13:06,777 --> 01:13:08,999 information on document submitters. 1352 01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:11,888 One thing I guess, I wanna make sure is clear is, 1353 01:13:14,999 --> 01:13:17,555 none of these activities had actually occurred. 1354 01:13:17,888 --> 01:13:20,666 In buisiness there's a.., 1355 01:13:20,777 --> 01:13:23,999 when you start proposing or thinking about an idea, 1356 01:13:23,222 --> 01:13:25,555 there's a brainstorming phase 1357 01:13:25,666 --> 01:13:28,888 and somebody says, "what if..," you know, "what could we do, what's theoretically possible?" 1358 01:13:28,900 --> 01:13:33,800 Still this was an idea, this was proposed, this was something that you thought about. 1359 01:13:33,888 --> 01:13:34,999 Right. 1360 01:13:36,988 --> 01:13:41,555 They also wanted to go on a campaign targeting Glenn Greenwald, 1361 01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:43,888 who is a reporter for Salon, 1362 01:13:43,950 --> 01:13:47,999 who's an outspoken critic of the government and supporter of WikiLeaks. 1363 01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:51,999 It seems like you're trying to attack a journalist here. 1364 01:13:52,555 --> 01:13:57,222 Yeah, you know, I don't wanna talk too much more about Glenn Greenwald, 1365 01:13:57,333 --> 01:13:59,333 other than what I previously said. 1366 01:13:59,888 --> 01:14:02,555 There was never an intent to attack 1367 01:14:03,444 --> 01:14:06,555 journalists, not on my part. 1368 01:14:08,340 --> 01:14:12,777 I guess I should generalise that to say that, you know, I would never 1369 01:14:12,888 --> 01:14:16,309 just outwardly attack a journalist, other than, if I felt that there was 1370 01:14:16,555 --> 01:14:20,698 a journalist in my mind, that was acting unethically. 1371 01:14:28,999 --> 01:14:34,888 That's a fair game for having a public discussion about. 1372 01:14:35,222 --> 01:14:37,999 They were walking a very fine ethical line at points 1373 01:14:38,208 --> 01:14:43,889 and in many cases, the mass opinion is: No, they're well past it. 1374 01:14:44,777 --> 01:14:47,666 I will not support broad theft of 1375 01:14:47,689 --> 01:14:50,888 information released to the public, 'cause that is nothing but destructive. 1376 01:14:51,222 --> 01:14:54,888 If somebody has, information has been stolen from them, 1377 01:14:55,800 --> 01:15:01,666 whether or not WikiLeaks encouraged the theft of that, or it was just put in their lap, 1378 01:15:01,750 --> 01:15:05,666 still, they're threatening to release the information that was 1379 01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:07,950 the private property of another organization, 1380 01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:13,918 so your choices are, to just allow that to happen, 1381 01:15:13,918 --> 01:15:15,229 or to try and stop it. 1382 01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:19,444 How offensive is too offensive? 1383 01:15:19,555 --> 01:15:21,888 We've certainly seen a lot of strategy, coming out of 1384 01:15:21,950 --> 01:15:24,777 governments across the world now saying, 1385 01:15:24,999 --> 01:15:27,111 publically admitting that, they need to become, 1386 01:15:27,150 --> 01:15:29,666 they need to develop better offensive strategies 1387 01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:34,999 in cyber security, because defense as a whole, isn't enough. 1388 01:15:35,222 --> 01:15:36,666 It never is enough. 1389 01:15:38,666 --> 01:15:42,777 Some of the most important things, that have had the most far-reaching influence 1390 01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,777 and have been the most important, in terms of what's been dicovered, not just by Anonymous, 1391 01:15:45,888 --> 01:15:47,777 but by the media, and the aftermath, 1392 01:15:47,888 --> 01:15:48,999 is a result of hacking. 1393 01:15:49,150 --> 01:15:52,555 That information can't be obtained by institutionalist journalistic process 1394 01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:55,970 or can't be obtained, or won't be obtained, by a congressional committee, 1395 01:15:55,970 --> 01:15:57,999 or a federal oversight committee. 1396 01:15:58,777 --> 01:16:02,500 For the most part, that information has to be obtained by hackers. 1397 01:16:02,750 --> 01:16:07,999 After this had happened, although only a small number of people had participated, 1398 01:16:08,333 --> 01:16:11,750 the collective mood was exuberance, within Anonymous. 1399 01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:17,850 It was a moment of the lulz being recharged, which people were excited about, 1400 01:16:17,888 --> 01:16:24,777 'cause people felt like, the lulz had been running low, during the middle eastern protest 1401 01:16:25,777 --> 01:16:27,999 and so it was a moment of great triumphalism, 1402 01:16:28,444 --> 01:16:30,222 within Anonymous. 1403 01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:33,999 #OpSony 1404 01:16:34,250 --> 01:16:37,700 Anonymous is currently targeting Sony's website. 1405 01:16:37,777 --> 01:16:42,222 We are doing this, because Sony is currently suing people for making features, 1406 01:16:42,300 --> 01:16:45,777 the Playstation originally had available to the public. 1407 01:16:48,444 --> 01:16:51,300 It started off as a denial of service attacks, 1408 01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:54,150 but then someone really broke into the playstation network 1409 01:16:54,222 --> 01:16:59,000 and stole all the user accounts and all the credit card information. 1410 01:16:59,222 --> 01:17:02,111 Sony has confirmed that hackers broke into it's playstation network, 1411 01:17:02,150 --> 01:17:06,444 exposing the personal information of up to 77 million users worldwide. 1412 01:17:06,555 --> 01:17:09,666 Anonymous basically bent Sony over and had their way with them 1413 01:17:09,700 --> 01:17:12,600 and the consumers were the ones, that also got hurt in the process. 1414 01:17:12,666 --> 01:17:15,333 2 months, of people not being able to use their playstations. 1415 01:17:15,444 --> 01:17:19,500 That, actually had real, hard-core, end-user impact. 1416 01:17:19,700 --> 01:17:22,777 If they break into a site and they pull back customer information, 1417 01:17:22,888 --> 01:17:25,999 do they really need to disclose a hundred thousand customers? 1418 01:17:26,111 --> 01:17:29,444 No. What they're doing, could be done a lot better. 1419 01:17:29,719 --> 01:17:31,444 When I say, better, I mean, 1420 01:17:31,500 --> 01:17:34,750 better for the end-user, for the customers, 1421 01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:36,555 while still making a point. 1422 01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:40,777 And then, seemingly out of the blue, 1423 01:17:40,888 --> 01:17:43,300 there was something by the name, LulzSec, 1424 01:17:43,350 --> 01:17:44,555 that sailed into the seas. 1425 01:17:46,999 --> 01:17:50,600 LulzSec is a sort of group, a couple of people, 1426 01:17:50,666 --> 01:17:52,555 mostly from Anonymous, 1427 01:17:53,222 --> 01:17:55,888 large part of the same people who hacked HBGary. 1428 01:17:56,554 --> 01:17:58,950 They decided to form this little group and 1429 01:17:58,999 --> 01:18:04,555 just carry on operations, but outside the purview of Anonymous, for a while. 1430 01:18:04,750 --> 01:18:05,950 They hacked whatever they wanted. 1431 01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:07,750 They released whatever they wanted. 1432 01:18:07,888 --> 01:18:09,750 It's almost like they had no rules. 1433 01:18:09,888 --> 01:18:12,999 They just said, "This is what we're gonna do, 1434 01:18:13,150 --> 01:18:14,400 we're gonna stir up the cart. 1435 01:18:14,444 --> 01:18:15,800 We're gonna make some trouble. 1436 01:18:15,850 --> 01:18:16,999 We're gonna make some waves." 1437 01:18:17,111 --> 01:18:18,250 And they did. 1438 01:18:19,500 --> 01:18:22,222 What they did was, they put on a play. 1439 01:18:22,250 --> 01:18:25,859 Not high arts, not low-brow either. 1440 01:18:25,888 --> 01:18:29,111 It wasn't particularly, let's just say, grotesque. 1441 01:18:30,555 --> 01:18:37,999 Their symbol, was a kind of cartoon character of the monopoly man, with the monocle and a cigarette. 1442 01:18:38,666 --> 01:18:44,999 There was a lot of iconography of boats and ships, pirate motifs and then of course a cat. 1443 01:18:45,888 --> 01:18:47,950 Chaos and mayhem right now... 1444 01:18:47,999 --> 01:18:50,700 it's probably one of the right things to do. 1445 01:18:51,250 --> 01:18:54,750 Some of the things LulzSec did, in a quarter of public opinion, were less noble. 1446 01:18:54,777 --> 01:18:57,888 Private citizens were being dox'd or, 1447 01:18:58,222 --> 01:19:00,111 your credit cards numbers could have been redacted. 1448 01:19:00,222 --> 01:19:05,999 You can still make your point, without actually giving up people's personal details. 1449 01:19:06,111 --> 01:19:11,250 So the quarter public opinions, swayed, that LulzSec had crosed lines, 1450 01:19:11,300 --> 01:19:14,399 that, maybe, the previous manifestation had not. 1451 01:19:17,666 --> 01:19:20,666 Collateral damage, such as the release of dox 1452 01:19:20,700 --> 01:19:22,800 and people's personal information who are 1453 01:19:22,850 --> 01:19:26,666 just caught in the crossfire of an Anonymous confrontation 1454 01:19:26,750 --> 01:19:29,555 is something that a lot of Anons don't really support. 1455 01:19:29,777 --> 01:19:32,999 There's a lot of in-fighting about it because, 1456 01:19:34,555 --> 01:19:37,333 their way, wasn't really our way. 1457 01:19:37,444 --> 01:19:39,111 We will not attack the media. 1458 01:19:39,666 --> 01:19:43,666 PBS's Frontline, runs a documentary, 1459 01:19:44,333 --> 01:19:46,999 mainly focused on Bradley Manning, 1460 01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:49,555 the alleged leaker to WikiLeaks. 1461 01:19:49,666 --> 01:19:52,222 And as for all of Bradley Manning's supporters, they didn't like it. 1462 01:19:52,333 --> 01:19:55,988 They thought it was a little too psychologising. 1463 01:19:55,988 --> 01:20:00,222 It was like looking a little bit more at his personal life, than at 1464 01:20:00,300 --> 01:20:03,111 why it is, you leaked the documents and what the documents actually meant. 1465 01:20:03,333 --> 01:20:09,555 They hacked a website, putting a story that Tupac and Biggie had escaped 1466 01:20:09,770 --> 01:20:15,444 the world of celebrity fame and attention and retired quietly and discreetly in New Zealand. 1467 01:20:16,888 --> 01:20:18,777 LulzSec, when they attacked PBS, 1468 01:20:19,555 --> 01:20:21,222 that gave me the creeps, you know? 1469 01:20:21,300 --> 01:20:24,111 As a journalist, I'm not too thrilled 1470 01:20:24,222 --> 01:20:28,222 with the idea of someone judging: we don't like you to write that, 1471 01:20:28,444 --> 01:20:31,999 we don't like your reporting, so, we're gonna shut down your website. 1472 01:20:32,333 --> 01:20:35,729 I'm uncomfortable with that. It could be me and I could be writting something 1473 01:20:35,777 --> 01:20:38,000 about a group, that they didn't like. 1474 01:20:39,555 --> 01:20:43,888 I'm happy to sit and talk with them about it but, 1475 01:20:43,999 --> 01:20:45,400 don't shut my website down. 1476 01:20:45,888 --> 01:20:47,400 This is obviously about freedom of speech 1477 01:20:47,444 --> 01:20:51,444 so attacking the press would be... 1478 01:20:51,500 --> 01:20:54,777 would sort of be a bit of a contradiction. 1479 01:20:54,999 --> 01:20:57,888 So people have said, well, we shouldn't do that 1480 01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:00,555 and obviously LulzSec had a completely different agenda 1481 01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:02,000 so they had no problem with it. 1482 01:21:02,111 --> 01:21:04,600 7~12 May, 2011: Fox Network "X-Factor" contestant database hacked. 1483 01:21:04,666 --> 01:21:06,888 They sort of saw themselves, as going out there, 1484 01:21:06,999 --> 01:21:10,868 breaking into, like, anything and everything, 1485 01:21:10,888 --> 01:21:14,888 governments, corporations, police departments. 1486 01:21:16,099 --> 01:21:19,800 Largely for the same reasons Anonymous would. 1487 01:21:19,850 --> 01:21:25,555 They went after Arizona for immigration policy. 1488 01:21:25,888 --> 01:21:30,555 A 50-day run, causing mayhem, havoc.. 1489 01:21:30,999 --> 01:21:32,999 ..and then ended it. 1490 01:21:33,666 --> 01:21:37,658 The computer hacking group Lulz-Security, has announced it's disbanding, 1491 01:21:37,666 --> 01:21:42,111 saying, it's had achieved it's mission, to disrupt governments and corporate organizations, 1492 01:21:42,222 --> 01:21:43,150 for fun.. 1493 01:21:43,333 --> 01:21:45,777 I call this whole thing, "the rise of the chaotic actor". 1494 01:21:45,888 --> 01:21:47,900 It's not like the first time we had hacktivism, 1495 01:21:47,999 --> 01:21:50,888 but we're definitely seeing, like a renaissance in it 1496 01:21:50,999 --> 01:21:54,888 and chaotic, could be chaotic good, neutral or evil, 1497 01:21:54,999 --> 01:21:57,250 if you go back to deal with Dungeons and Dragons terms 1498 01:21:57,300 --> 01:22:01,888 and some people see Anon Ops, initially and they'll stick with Anonymous as chaotic good. 1499 01:22:01,999 --> 01:22:05,888 They saw operation payback or they saw attacking scientology 1500 01:22:05,999 --> 01:22:07,770 and they say that's good, it's like Robin Hood, right? 1501 01:22:07,888 --> 01:22:10,888 Chaotic good, outside the system, but doing something good. 1502 01:22:10,999 --> 01:22:13,999 Other people, saw Anon as chaotic evil, like the Joker, 1503 01:22:14,111 --> 01:22:17,999 that just wanna see the world burn and potentially doing irreparable damage 1504 01:22:18,168 --> 01:22:21,333 and the truth is, yes, it's the entire column of chaotic. 1505 01:22:26,777 --> 01:22:28,666 The Anonymous 16 1506 01:22:28,999 --> 01:22:31,000 16 people were arrested today. 1507 01:22:31,250 --> 01:22:35,750 Dozens of FBI agents targeted alleged members of a loose-knit hacking group. 1508 01:22:35,888 --> 01:22:41,149 Armed with search warrants, agents hit 6 homes in New York alone, with locations across the country. 1509 01:22:41,333 --> 01:22:44,950 The people arrested yesterday, were suspected of attacking PayPal's website, 1510 01:22:44,999 --> 01:22:47,777 after the company shut off payments to WikiLeaks. 1511 01:22:47,888 --> 01:22:51,750 Defenders of the hackers say, they merely engaged in civil protest, 1512 01:22:51,777 --> 01:22:57,400 but FBI officials worry, the disruptive cyber attacks, could move in a more dangerous direction. 1513 01:22:57,555 --> 01:23:00,800 So the FBI shows up at 6 in the morning and it was really abnoxious 1514 01:23:00,888 --> 01:23:04,750 and I remember being frustrated and angry because, 1515 01:23:04,888 --> 01:23:09,444 there was nothing, that I had done, that would've justified an FBI search warrant. 1516 01:23:09,666 --> 01:23:14,888 They came, and guns blazing at us and all that stuff, 1517 01:23:14,999 --> 01:23:19,333 bashing down the door, and they just dropped me down the floor, 180.. 1518 01:23:19,666 --> 01:23:20,999 I weren't trying to fight nobody. 1519 01:23:21,500 --> 01:23:27,279 The theory of the case is they were, you know, they flooded, "a number of people flooded 1520 01:23:27,333 --> 01:23:33,777 access to PayPal, thereby creating economic distress to a protected corporation", end of story. 1521 01:23:33,888 --> 01:23:45,750 This is not a case involving identity theft, outing e-mails, violating privilege, theft of services, shutting down business. 1522 01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:50,888 It is a pure case of internet or cyber sit-ins. 1523 01:23:50,999 --> 01:23:54,222 I think when Barack Obama gets on television and says, 1524 01:23:54,250 --> 01:23:57,777 flood the switchboard, shutdown the Republicans, send a message. 1525 01:23:57,950 --> 01:24:03,333 That's legal and even if you accept what the theory of this prosecution is, it's no different. 1526 01:24:03,500 --> 01:24:07,000 This is an electronic sit-in, at it's finest. 1527 01:24:07,555 --> 01:24:09,838 If you're a pedophile, the average is 11 years, 1528 01:24:09,888 --> 01:24:12,888 if you're a computer hacker, the average is 15. 1529 01:24:13,150 --> 01:24:14,999 I think that's ridiculous. 1530 01:24:18,750 --> 01:24:24,359 That's ridiculous, I mean you can go molest children and get less of a sentence 1531 01:24:24,444 --> 01:24:29,222 than you would, for breaking into someone's phone. 1532 01:24:29,750 --> 01:24:32,888 Even if you accept, what the government is saying is true, 1533 01:24:32,999 --> 01:24:37,600 what is important, is that people are participating in the process. 1534 01:24:37,666 --> 01:24:39,989 It is, very much, the process. 1535 01:24:40,999 --> 01:24:43,750 It is sitting-in, in a counter in Selma, Alabama. 1536 01:24:43,888 --> 01:24:49,750 500 freedom riders, refusing to allow people to go and sit-in at a segregated lunch counter. 1537 01:24:49,888 --> 01:24:51,888 They write books about that stuff. 1538 01:24:51,999 --> 01:24:55,333 It is demonstrating in a street corner, saying, 'no more war'. 1539 01:24:56,555 --> 01:24:58,444 It's just a different vehicle. 1540 01:24:58,555 --> 01:25:00,000 It's the same results. 1541 01:25:01,444 --> 01:25:03,777 For 9 months I ran from my indictment, 1542 01:25:03,850 --> 01:25:06,888 but they busted me, I went to jail, I bond it out 1543 01:25:06,999 --> 01:25:09,900 and then I held a news conference because, 1544 01:25:09,999 --> 01:25:12,668 as risky as that was and against my lawyer's advice, 1545 01:25:12,700 --> 01:25:14,888 I wanted the world, to know some fucking things, about what's going on. 1546 01:25:14,950 --> 01:25:17,666 I didn't want the feds to have the only voice in the dialog. 1547 01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:19,999 This document alleges, 1548 01:25:20,222 --> 01:25:25,444 that, I'm the notorious hacker activist, known to the world, as Commander-X. 1549 01:25:27,666 --> 01:25:30,600 I am, Commander-X. 1550 01:25:33,666 --> 01:25:37,668 The indictment further alleges, that I'm in association with the 1551 01:25:37,700 --> 01:25:41,555 global internet freedom movement, known as Anonymous. 1552 01:25:44,666 --> 01:25:45,999 I say yes, 1553 01:25:46,555 --> 01:25:52,222 I am immensely proud and humbled to the core, 1554 01:25:52,444 --> 01:25:54,999 to be a part of the idea called, Anonymous. 1555 01:25:55,950 --> 01:25:59,222 I would never compare myself to people like Ghandi or Dr. Martin Luther King, 1556 01:25:59,333 --> 01:26:02,999 but they were one person and they were willing to go out and change the world 1557 01:26:03,888 --> 01:26:07,700 and their messages live on every day, through everybody 1558 01:26:07,777 --> 01:26:11,999 and to not take the chance of having something like that to do, is foolish. 1559 01:26:12,150 --> 01:26:16,222 I only wish we had, 50 million Mercedes Haefer. 1560 01:26:16,333 --> 01:26:20,666 I'd feel a lot more comfortable as a guy, gettings towards the tail end of his career, 1561 01:26:20,750 --> 01:26:22,333 if there were more Mercedes. 1562 01:26:22,444 --> 01:26:24,444 There's always gonna be legal consequences, 1563 01:26:24,555 --> 01:26:26,444 when you decide to break the law. 1564 01:26:26,555 --> 01:26:28,555 That comes with the territory 1565 01:26:29,333 --> 01:26:31,750 and it would be naive, not to expect that. 1566 01:26:31,777 --> 01:26:38,888 The question is, whether the punishment will be proportional to the crime 1567 01:26:38,950 --> 01:26:41,250 and I suspect, it might not be. 1568 01:26:41,333 --> 01:26:45,999 People will be watching very closely, to see how these cases proceed. 1569 01:26:46,700 --> 01:26:51,888 On what grounds and whether there's any room during the trials to think, 1570 01:26:51,999 --> 01:26:58,333 especially of the denial of service attacks, as a legitimate form of protest. 1571 01:26:58,666 --> 01:27:04,000 So much of our lives are now configured, at least in part, on the internet, so we better 1572 01:27:04,050 --> 01:27:10,555 start thinking about, how we claim parts of the internet as spaces, that we can also protest in. 1573 01:27:10,750 --> 01:27:14,999 This is the point in history, at which 1574 01:27:16,666 --> 01:27:20,444 you decide, whether or not protesting is possible online. 1575 01:27:20,555 --> 01:27:24,828 You can stand up and you can say, freedom of speech extends to online. 1576 01:27:24,888 --> 01:27:28,850 We've got the right, not to be monitored by our government, because of our opinions. 1577 01:27:28,888 --> 01:27:30,666 It's up to you. 1578 01:27:31,779 --> 01:27:35,708 You're in the position of Huck Finn. Do you remember Huck Finn at the end of the book? 1579 01:27:35,750 --> 01:27:39,000 He's told he's got to take that slave and give it back. 1580 01:27:39,111 --> 01:27:40,500 2 things will happen if he doesn't: 1581 01:27:40,555 --> 01:27:43,999 1. Legally, he'll go to jail, as Jim is property. 1582 01:27:44,111 --> 01:27:49,999 2. He'll be damned eternally and burn in hellfire, 'cause he's in the evangelical enviroment of Missouri 1583 01:27:50,250 --> 01:27:53,555 and so Huck smokes his corn cob pipe all night, thinks about it 1584 01:27:53,666 --> 01:27:57,000 and the next morning he says, well damn it, I'll go to hell then. 1585 01:27:57,500 --> 01:28:01,960 In other words, he discovered that in order to be an expert at ethics, 1586 01:28:01,999 --> 01:28:08,555 you had to transcend the legal and sanctioned religious, appropriate truths of the day, 1587 01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:13,888 in order to access the meta-truth, of both legality and righteousness. 1588 01:28:13,950 --> 01:28:18,500 Well, hackers see themselves as Huck, putting down their corn cob pipe and say: 1589 01:28:18,555 --> 01:28:20,666 Alright I'll go to jail, alright I'll go to hell, 1590 01:28:20,850 --> 01:28:22,666 but I'm gonna do the right thing. 1591 01:28:22,850 --> 01:28:25,333 I suppose the question you really wanna ask is, 1592 01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:26,750 would I do it again? 1593 01:28:28,444 --> 01:28:30,888 And honestly, after thinking about it, 1594 01:28:31,750 --> 01:28:36,999 I felt that, I did what was right. I had a belief, I still do, 1595 01:28:37,750 --> 01:28:42,750 that what I did was the right thing and hopefully someone got some good out of it. 1596 01:28:42,777 --> 01:28:46,666 I'd love to think, that maybe I stopped someone from joining a cult. 1597 01:28:47,555 --> 01:28:50,444 Probably wouldn't tell on myself next time but, 1598 01:28:50,555 --> 01:28:53,639 I don't think I would have changed a single thing, other than 1599 01:28:53,666 --> 01:28:55,888 the whole talking to the FBI thing. 1600 01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:00,888 It's just that little detail, that changed everything. 1601 01:29:01,333 --> 01:29:03,000 I'm angry, 1602 01:29:06,666 --> 01:29:09,999 occasionally I have small break-down moments, 1603 01:29:11,300 --> 01:29:13,000 of terror, 1604 01:29:14,555 --> 01:29:17,444 but I haven't stopped believing what I believed, 1605 01:29:17,555 --> 01:29:22,555 I haven't stopped wanting to fight, I haven't stopped caring. 1606 01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,999 I don't think this whole issue is a technical hacking thing. 1607 01:29:41,111 --> 01:29:44,750 This is more about human philosophy and psychology. 1608 01:29:44,777 --> 01:29:51,000 Let's motivate and ask, why is there so much unrest or disenfranchisement or anger, 1609 01:29:51,222 --> 01:29:54,600 that would lead people to want to take matters in their own hands and join this. 1610 01:29:54,666 --> 01:29:58,333 Whether you think it's bad or not, is irrelevant, it's not going away. 1611 01:29:58,888 --> 01:30:01,555 I have stood upon the mountain top known as Anonymous 1612 01:30:01,750 --> 01:30:05,444 and looked down on a world inflamed with revolution. 1613 01:30:09,948 --> 01:30:12,988 What can you say, your spine tingles when you are at the course of history 1614 01:30:12,999 --> 01:30:17,555 when you're surfing the waves of history, your spine tingles. 1615 01:30:19,979 --> 01:30:23,500 There's a lot of people in Anonymous who feel 1616 01:30:23,555 --> 01:30:26,950 very deeply and very sincerely about 1617 01:30:26,999 --> 01:30:31,777 their contribution towards democracy around the world. 1618 01:30:33,999 --> 01:30:36,333 And I think that's one of the main things that 1619 01:30:36,350 --> 01:30:38,999 I'm most proud of about Anonymous. 1620 01:30:39,111 --> 01:30:40,777 There are things that I'm not proud of about Anonymous 1621 01:30:40,888 --> 01:30:44,630 but that we stand against censorship 1622 01:30:44,666 --> 01:30:47,350 and we stand against oppressive governments, 1623 01:30:47,444 --> 01:30:49,150 even our own, 1624 01:30:49,222 --> 01:30:50,666 is a very noble thing. 1625 01:30:52,666 --> 01:30:56,666 If you had power in real life and you had money in real life, 1626 01:30:56,750 --> 01:30:59,222 it doesn't fucking matter on the internet. 1627 01:30:59,350 --> 01:31:02,750 What matters on the internet is your actual ideas, 1628 01:31:02,888 --> 01:31:06,888 how smart you are, the quality of you 1629 01:31:06,950 --> 01:31:12,555 and when certain organizations want to extend their real life power onto the internet, 1630 01:31:12,666 --> 01:31:15,555 it's not gonna fucking take, because of Anonymous. 1631 01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:22,400 History teaches us that change, simply doesn't come with flowers. 1632 01:31:22,430 --> 01:31:23,710 It dosn't work. 1633 01:31:25,777 --> 01:31:28,888 If the say I'm a criminal, then... 1634 01:31:29,333 --> 01:31:30,170 ...well... 1635 01:31:30,850 --> 01:31:32,150 ...then I will be one. 1636 01:31:33,888 --> 01:31:36,333 Anonymous is an evolving thing. 1637 01:31:36,555 --> 01:31:38,000 It's like a phoenix. 1638 01:31:38,111 --> 01:31:40,266 It might occasionally catch fire and burn to the ground 1639 01:31:40,300 --> 01:31:42,139 but it'll be reborn from ashes. 1640 01:31:42,850 --> 01:31:44,150 It'll be reborn stronger. 1641 01:31:52,777 --> 01:31:55,600 I don't care if you are a democrat or a republican, 1642 01:31:55,700 --> 01:32:02,777 or an independant, or if you like Ron Paul, or if you worship pidgeons or scientology, 1643 01:32:02,888 --> 01:32:06,999 or if you're catholic, or atheist, or methodist.. 1644 01:32:07,222 --> 01:32:09,250 I don't care about that. 1645 01:32:09,333 --> 01:32:10,999 Your opinion matters. 1646 01:32:11,333 --> 01:32:13,250 I don't care if I disagree with it. 1647 01:32:13,333 --> 01:32:14,888 I don't care if I hate your guts. 1648 01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,000 Your opinion matters. 1649 01:32:20,319 --> 01:32:24,050 We are Legion The Story of the Hacktivists 1650 01:32:28,050 --> 01:32:35,050 Subtitles by Mammad 1651 01:32:30,050 --> 01:32:30,050 1652 01:32:30,050 --> 01:32:30,050 1653 01:33:30,050 --> 01:33:30,050 1654 01:33:30,050 --> 01:33:30,050 1655 01:33:30,050 --> 01:33:30,050