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PUBLIC SESSION MINUTES OF ORAL EVIDENCE taken before HIGH SPEED RAIL COMMITTEE On the HIGH SPEED RAIL (LONDON – WEST MIDLANDS) BILL Tuesday, 8 September 2015 (Morning) In Committee Room 5 PRESENT: Mr Robert Syms (Chair) Sir Peter Bottomley Mr Henry Bellingham Geoffrey Clifton-Brown Mr David Crausby Mr Mark Hendrick _____________ IN ATTENDANCE Mr James Strachan QC, Counsel, Department for Transport Mr Richard Turney, Counsel, Department for Transport Ms Jacqueline Lean, Counsel, Department for Transport WITNESSES Mr Tony Fish, Governor, Wendover Junior School Dr John Savin, Governor, John Colet School Mr Philip Wallis, local resident Mr Kim Wharton, local resident Mr Andrew Band, local resident Mr David Johnson, Chartered Civil Engineer and Hydro-Geological Consultant Mr Brian Thompson, local resident Mrs Nicole Alcock, local resident Mr Ian Barnes, local resident Mr Lewis _____________ IN PUBLIC SESSION INDEX Subject Page Update by Mr Strachan 3 Wendover Junior School and John Colet School Submissions by Mr Fish and Dr Savin 3 Submissions by Mr Turney 10 Submissions by Mr Strachan 14 John Savin Submissions by Dr Savin 16 Submissions by Mr Turney 19 Philip and Marian Wallis Submissions by Mr Wallis 20 Submissions by Mr Turney 23 Anna Ellershaw Submissions by Mr Wallis 26 Kim and Gillian Wharton Submissions by Mr Wharton 29 Submissions by Mr Turney 32 Thompson, Band et al. Submissions by Mr Band 34 Submissions by Mr Johnson 35 Submissions by Mr Thompson 39 Further submissions by Mr Band and Mr Johnson 43 Response from Mr Strachan 48 Andrew Band Submissions by Mr Band 53 Response from Mr Strachan 54 Nicole Alcock Submissions by Mrs Alcock 57 Submissions by Ms Lean 68 Ian Barnes Submissions by Mr Barnes 71 Response from Ms Lean 72 Eifion Lewis Submissions by Mr Lewis 73 Response from Ms Lean 77 2 (At 09.46) 1. CHAIR: Order, order. Welcome to the HS2 Committee. Sorry to delay you coming in. We start off with Wendover Church of England Junior School, John Colet School and Dr John Savin. Welcome. 2. MR STRACHAN QC (DfT): Just before we start, can I just update the committee on two things arising out of yesterday? The first is, I was asked by Mr Hendrick about the modelling of the Terrick roundabout and I said I’d come back to him about it. That modelling was carried out in the normal way and we’re in consultation with Buckinghamshire County Council on roundabout modelling. We’re going to carry out a sensitivity test in relation to any carriageway restrictions caused by on-street parking, which is what I think the petitioners were concerned about. So we will carry out that sensitivity test. As I understand it, the modelling doesn’t specifically deal with on-street parking, so we will carry out that sensitivity test. 3. The second matter is that I said yesterday in relation to the question about control of enforcement of the various measures that are in the Code of Construction Practice – and I referred to the fact that we had produced an Information Paper, I didn’t give the identification of it, but it is E1 of the Information Papers which are available. That sets out in far more detail than I did yesterday the various measures to control the Code of Construction Practice, amongst other things, and the environmental minimum requirements. I’m not going to read it out now, but it has the detail, which I was unable to express yesterday in the time. Those are the only two things I just wanted to update you on. 4. CHAIR: Thank you. Sorry for the delay Mr Savin. Wendover Junior School and John Colet School 5. MR FISH: I’m Tony Fish I’m the Chair of Governors at Wendover Junior School. This is actually a joint presentation on two separate petitions, the Junior School and John Colet School. So, John and I will share the presentation today. The items at A1299 to look at? So if we could straight into page 2? So, really as a summary of our concerns. The reason that we’ve joined together in this presentation is that they are fundamentally the same thing, and the lens at which we look at this is through the health 3 and safety of the local children of Wendover and surrounding villages, and the proximity of the works and the operation of the train line. We have seven concerns there that we will talk about in a bit more detail as we go through the presentation and then finish on the specific mitigations that we’re seeking against those concerns. 6. In summary, the seven concerns there: one, at the top – and this will be our primary request that we want to talk about – is around construction traffic in the neighbouring area. We’ll explain why that’s such a concern in a village for Wendover where a lot of the children and parents and staff go to school on foot and by bicycle. We also want to talk about health and safety relating to mud and debris and other spoil from vehicles coming in and out of the site and the local area. The noise, both in terms of the construction works and the traffic coming through, and also into the operation of the line as well. Air quality and dust mitigation, things like that, and what that could do for the local area, particularly into the school site which we will show you some maps on shortly. Hydro-geology, which we’re not going to cover in detail but I know you will be looking at in other petitions later today, which will cover that in a lot more detail. The working hours that the site will operate on, and particularly concerned around the travel times for children in and out of school and how that relates and what we can do on that. And the Code of Construction Practice, and some things that we are looking for in mitigation, so that that is a really firm commitment. So if I hand over to John now, who will just take you through the next couple of slides, which have some of the positions of the schools? 7. MR SAVIN: Thank you, I’m John Savin, I’m a Governor at the John Colet School, which is a secondary school on the campus site. The slide here shows the main routes that the children are using to school, so if we can highlight this? 8. MR BELLINGHAM: Can I just seek some clarification? When we had the meeting in the church, we had a very good presentation by your headmaster was it? 9. MR FISH: It was Wendover House School, which is a different site. 10. MR BELLINGHAM: Got it, so that was one nearer the church was it? And you are up here in this circle here? 11. MR SAVIN: In the white circle. 4 12. MR BELLINGHAM: Thank you very much, sorry about that. 13. CHAIR: I know the school, when some of the petitioners said yesterday that people travel not only from Wendover but some even from Aylesbury? 14. MR SAVIN: Yes. This is the point, because if we illustrate on the map? The main route is from Aylesbury, Weston Turville, Aston Clinton – these are local villages. We take quite a good catchment from these areas, particularly the south side of Aylesbury. John Colet currently has a waiting list, for example, of 40 children, typically from that area for Year 7. 15. A number of children also come down the road from Holton Village and also from Aston Clinton area, Aston Clinton being quite a spread-out village. We have fewer children coming in from Aylesbury-Princes Risborough but we do have a number and fewer still from the south because there is a secondary school in Great Missenden. But there are some from Wendover Dean for example, and local small villages down to the south of Wendover. 16. The HS2 track is approximately shown here, and the construction route traffic illustrated by HS2 uses the bypass. So in theory, there should be no construction traffic whatsoever through Wendover and we are perfectly happy with that arrangement. Our main ask is that that is enforced. We’ll explain why: the school’s area, as you can see, is in white; it’s quite a big area with a significant amount of playing fields. Colet is in this area; the Church of England School is at the top; and the infant school is to the side. There are also a number of preschools on the site. 17. Next slide please? This is a detail of the previous map, just to illustrate the specific points. So coming down the road from Aylesbury, and anybody cycling down from Weston Turville, as a number of children do, we have a cycle lane for part of that route, and then it stops and we’ll show you some pictures in the next slides. We then have quite a significant danger zone, a mini roundabout here – or a circle just painted on the road to be quite frank – which gets extremely congested due to traffic trying to get down Wharf Road, to the school area. The main site entrance is here and there is a secondary entrance to the John Colet only here. We do have good cycle access down this hill, from the Holton Road. 5 18. So our main concern is that traffic from HS2 would use this road in particular, over to Holton, and the A41 as a rat run. The A41 is a dual carriageway; it connects very efficiently to the M25, and the M1 at Hemel Hempstead.