LOK SABHA DEBATES (English Version)

Eighth Series, Vol. XXI No. 7 Wednesday, November 12,1986 Kartika 21, 1908 (Saka)

Seventh Session (Eighth Lok Sabha)

' (Vol. X X I contains Nos. 1 to 10)

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[Original English proceedings included in English Version and Original Hindi proceedings included in Hindi Version will be treated as authoritative and not the translation thereof.] CONTENTS

No. 7, Wednesday, November 12, 1986/Kartika 21, 1908 {Saka)

Columns

Oral Answers to Questions— 1— 29

^Starred Questions Nos. 121 to 125 and 128

* Written Answers to Questions— 29— 204

Starred Questions Nos. 126 to 127 and 129 to 140 29— 42

Unstarred Questions Nos. 1258 to 1321 and 1323 to 1397 42— 204

Papers Laid on the Table 212*—221

Message from Rajya Sabha 222

Dock Workers (Safety, Health and. Welfare) Bill—As Amended by 223 Rajya Sabha

Committee on Private Members' Bills and Resolution 223

Twenty-fifth Report

Election to Committee 223 Central Advisory Committee for National Cadet Cnrps...

Business Advisory Committee „ 224

Twenty-Ninth Report

Calling Attention to matter of urgent public importance 224 236

Reported fire in Sahar terminal of Bombay airport

Shri Sharad Dighe ' 224

Shri Jagdish Tytler 225

Shri Haris Rawat 228 Dr. G. S. Rajhans 229 ^ Shri Jagdish Awasthi

Shri Banwari Lai Purohit ’ 2^2

♦The Sign + marked above the name of a Member indicatesthat the question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member, (ii) Columna

Matters Under Rule 377 236— 240

(i) Need to start a new train from Kota or Ratlam to Delhi

and to re-start Dehradun Express Shri Shanti Dbariwal 236

(ii) Need to declare the people of Ladakh region as Scheduled

Tribe

Sliri P. Namgyal 236

(iii) Preventive steps needed to save Lakshadweep from the menace of sea erosion

Shri P. M. Sayeed 237

. (iv) Demand for T. V. Relay Centres at Damoh and Panna districts of Madhya Pradesh

Shri Dal Chancier Jain 238

(v) Need to take immediate steps for the development of

Paradeep Port. * Shri Brajamohan Mohanty 238

(vi) Need for organising voluntary consumer efforts to protect them from unhealthy trade practices

Shri Satyendra Narayan Sinha 239

(vii) Need to release grants by University Grants Commissions to Vidyasagar University, Midnapur in West Bengal

Shri Sudhir Roy 239

(viii) Need to help the State of Tamil Nadu to augument the generation of Thermal Power

Shri P. Kolandaivelu 240

Delhi Fire Prevention and fire safety Bill— Contd. 240__292

Motion to consider

Shri Somnath Rath 240

Shri Raj Kumar Rai 243 Shri V. S. Krishna Iyer 246

Shri Shanti DhariwaJ 249 (Hi) * Columns

Shri Ataur Rehman 251 i Shri Mool Chand Daga v 253

Shri Indrajit Gupta 259

Shri Vijay N. Patil 264

Shri Matilal Hansda 267

Shri Dharam Pal Singh Malik 268

Shri Mohd. Mahfooz Ali Khan 272

Shri K. S. Rao , 273

Shri Piyus Tiraky 276

Shri Shaotaram Naik 277

Shri V. Sobhanadreeswara Rao 280

Shri Chintamani Panlgrahi 282 Clauses 2 to 16 and 1

Motion to Pass Shri Chintamani Panigrahi 291

Supplementary Demands for Grants (Railways), 1986-87 292— 315

Shri Bhattam Srirama Murty 293

Shri Uma Kant Mishra 300

Shri Vakkom Purushethaman 303

Shri V. S. Krishna Iyer 307

Shri Jujhar Singh 310

Shri M. Mahalingam 312

Half-an-hour Discussion * 315 332

Loss incurred by Hindustan Paper Corporation Ltd.

Shri Suresh Kurup 315

Prof. K. K. Tewary 319

Shri Virdhi Chander Jain 327 Shri V. Sobhanadreeswara Rao 327

Shri Harish Rawat 328

Dr. G. S. Rajhans 329 LOK SABHA DEBATES

LOK SABHA DR. G. S. RAJHANS : Mr. Speaker, Sir, the reply is incomplete. We want to know the complete details of the Agreement. Besides, we also want to know whether such Wednesday, November, 12, 1986/Kartika agreements have been signed with other 21, 1908 (Saka) countries also and if so, the details thereof ?

The Lok Sabha met at Eleven o f the Clock. SHRI BHAJAN LAL : Agreement with Federal Republic of Germany was signed in [MR. SPEAKER in the Chair) March, 1985. Under that Agreement, they supplied us instruments worth Rs. 162 lakhs. [English] Besides, the personnel in the batches of 8 persons each go there for training for a period Agreement with F. R. G. to augment of six months. These 8 people include 4 anti-pollution facilities scientists and 4 other personnel. The entire expenditure on their training is borne by that *121. DR. G. S. RAJHANS : country. 20 officers also go for training for SHRI MATI PRABHAWATI a period of 15 days. At the same time, one GUPTA : of their officers, who is an eminent expert will also come to India for three years. He Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT is already here. They give us complete AND FORESTS be pleased to state : information and tell us how to control pollution. In addition to this, officers in small (a) whether any agreement has been batches will go for training for a short period reached with the Federal Republic of Ger- during the next five jears, i.e. for sixty many for augmenting the existing water and month§ so as to gain complete knowledge air pollution monitoring facilities in the there. country; The Hon. Member has also asked the (b) if so, the details of the agreement; names of the other countries with which such and agreements have been signed. An agreement was signed with the countries of E. E. C.t (c) the methods to be adopted to control i.e., the European Economic Community in water and air pollution ? 1 983. Similarly, an agreement was also signed with Britain in 1 983 so that they [Translation] could be helpful to us in controlling air pollution and could also give us the training THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT programme. Since this problem is worldwise, AND FORESTS (SHRI BHAJAN LAL) : U. S. A. and Norway have also shown (a) Yes, Sir. interest in it. This is not a question of any single country Thus, these are the countries (b) The Agreement provides for import with which we have signed agreements. of sophisticated instruments and training of personnel to strengthen the capabilities of DR. G. S. RAJHANS : Mr. Speaker, Sir, Pollution Control Boards. the Hon. Minister might have read recently that there has been dangerous pollution in (c) The methods include monitoring, Rhine ri\er as a result of which fhousands of persuasion, incentives and legal action, fish were killed. They could not control that. 3 Oral Answers NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Oral Answers 4 .

Such pollution lakes place daily between about 40 to 50 per cent pollution is caused Patna and Bhagaljmr. I would like to know by them. The vehicles which play on the whether we have signed agreements to control roads, such as buses, trucks and other pollution with other countries of western vehicles emit heavy smoke. If a silencer Europe also ? measuring 8 to 10 feet is attached to a vehicle of the same height, at least smoke will go upwards. We are thinking in terms SHRI BHAJAN LAL : It is true that of introducing battery —run vehicles so as to there are 14 such rivers in our country, the minimise pollution, waters of which are polluted and it does affect the health of the people. Right now, we have started with Ganga and we are SHRI V. TULSIRAM : I would like to going to draw up a project after formally know from the Hon. Minister as to which of surveying all the rivers. You know, as and the States of the Indian Union shall be when funds are made ava-lable, we shall covered under the agreement that has been implement that project. It will require an signed and whether the name of Andhra amount of Rs. 3000 crores to clean all the Pradesh is also there ? If so, how much rivers. money have you earmarked for that State ?

MR. SPEAKER : Are you satisfied Secondly, I would like to say that felling now ? of trees also adds to pollution. I would like to know as to how much funds have been SHRIMATI PRABHAWATI GUPTA: provided in the Seventh Five Year Plan for Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Hon. Minister has tree plantation in the country and what is given a detailed reply and has also reFerred Andhra Pradesh’s share in it ? to a long-term plan, but is he aware that besides air pollution and water pollution, SHRI BHAJAN LAL : This is a separate foodgrains are also being polluted due to question. But so far as the question of tree excessive use of pesticides which is a health plantation is concerned, the policy of the hazard ? Air pollution has reached such a Central Government is very clear, that as level that mosquitoes have established mono- long as we do not plant trees, the environ- lithic empire right from the country’s ment will not be clean. An amount of Rs. capital, Delhi, upto the towns and villages 1900 crores has been provided in the and virus borne diseases are spreading, the Seventh Plan for various such items which people are sick in every home. I would like include rural development, wild life as also to know as to what steps the Government tree plantation, are taking to check this pollution and are there some short-term schemes with the Govern- ment besides the long-term plan ? I would [English) also like to know as to what work the Ganga Pollution Control Board has done to clean Vienna conference of IAEA this river ? * 122. SHRI AN AND SINGH: Will SHRI BHAJAN LAL : What the Hon. the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : Member has said is correct, There are no two opinions that pollution causes diseases (a) whether a Conference of International and to check the spread of diseases in the Atomic Energy Agency was held in Vienna foremost duty of the Government. That is in the first/second week of October this year why our late Prime Minister had laid great to discuss the potential dangers of nuclear stress on it. Hon. Shri Rajiv Gandhi has also radiation, resulting from accidents in nuclear taken keen interest in it and has formulated power plants and reactors, etc.; programmes so that pollution could be controlled, but you know, it is a time consum- ing process; it is not a job to be done (b) if so, what were the main observa- overnight. It is true that pollution is caused tions and suggestions mooted at the Confe- through air. The way the number of vehicles rence to avoid recuri^nce of Chernobyl type iis increasing and the smoke is beingw emitted.• - ! of mishaps; and 5 Oral Answers KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Oral Answers 6

(c) the precautionary steps being taken safety measures known to us, in fact, includ- in the light Jhereof in respect of installation, ing the latest one known to the world. maintenance and working of nuclear pro- Therefore, it is not correct to say that we jects ? have not incorporated all possible safety measures into our existing plants. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND-TECHNO- As regard future plants, we are taking LOGY AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE even greater safety precautions like double DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOP- containment for the outer wall. Even MENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELEC- internally, we have what we call cladding of TRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI K. R. the fuel element which is put in a pressure NARAYANAN) : (a) Yes, Sir. tube and also used with pressurised water and put in a colander. All these precautions (b) Two international conventions were we have built into the plants themselves. adopted at the Conference. The first conven- tion provides for the early notification of nuclear accidents with possible transboundary SHRI ANAND SINGH : The idea about effects and the second for the provision of the Narora plants was conceived five years assistance in the case of a nuclear accident. before and it is likely to put into operation shortly. In this gap have any new safety measures been introduced in the system or (c) Nuclear Power Plants in India are are we sticking to the old design ? It is a different in design from the Chernobyl plant. good design, but have we made any changes? However, all available information about That is what 1 wanted to know. Chernobyl accident is being analysed in order to draw appropriate lessons and ensure safe operation of our plants. In the meantime, Further, Not even one reactor has been operating procedures relating to start up of running satisfactorily, either Tarapore or the reactors and low power operations have Madras. AH have some kinds of problems. been further tightened. Are these faults mainly due to operational lacunae or lacunae in the design itself ? In SHRI ANAND SINGH ; We have two the report on the Chernobyl plant accident, sets of atomic reactors one that we have they say that the design was all right, it was already commissioned and the other we are only the operators’ fault that caused this planning to commission in future. As the mishap. We are having some problems. I Minister says, the Chernobyl plant is would like to know whether these problems different in design from the nuclear power are operational mostly or they are because of plants in India. May be, but they are past * design faults. What are you going to do masters in this art. This is not the only about it in order to make them fool proof or accident, accidents have occurred all over the operation proof ? world. After analysing all these accidents all over the world, what new safety measures SHRI K. R. NARAYANAN : As regards are we going to introduce in Narora Power safely of reactors, so far no accident has Plant which as it is being constructed on taken place in any of the Indian reactors. seismic path on the banks of river Gangas ? As I explained earlier, we had incorporated I would like to know if any new safety many of the known safety systems in the measures are being introduced in the reactors deigning and building of these reactors, which are to be commissioned. If so, what j are they ? With regard to Narora plants, we have SHRI K. R. NARAYANAN : I would provided for a double containment. It is a not like to say that our plants are better new feature which is being incorporated in designed than the Soviet plants, but certainly the Narora plant and all future plants. the Chernobyl plant where the accident took . Apart from that there are anti-seismic devices place was different in design from our plants. being used for the first time. These design Right from the time of design to construction modifications are being made as a result of of our plants, we have taken all pqssible experience we gather. Now some people 7 Oral Answers NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Oral Answers 8

doubt if seismic precautions that we take in to our atomic reactors in the event of an these plants would be effective. Japan is an earthquake and the safety measures the example of this because the whole country is Government are taking in this regard ? vulnerable to earthquakes and there they have incorporated such devices and they have MR. SPEAKER : He h^s quoted Japan been very effective. in this question.

Regarding the functioning of this plant, SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT : it is probably slightly outside the realm of Earthquake can take place any time and at this question which is about safety. I think, any place. What safety measures Govern- by and large, except for RAPP-1, all other ment are adopting to face such a situation ? plants have been functioning properly. MR. SPEAKER : He has quoted Japan SHRI MURLI DEORA : The Hon. and answer to your question is already there. Minister has replied that the Government have ensured safe operation of our nuclcar [English] plants 1 would like to ask the Minister as m to what is the average life of a nuclear power SHRI AT1SH CHANDRA SINHA : Sir plant and whether the Government have as you know, the programme in India so far taken measures for safe decommissioning and as nuclcar power generation is concerned is safe disposal when the life-span is over. to have 10,000 megawatts by the end of this century. A great deal of apprehension has SHRI K. R. NARAYANAN : I cannot been caused, after the Chernobyl accident say, on the spur of the moment, as to what not only in the minds of people of India, but is the life span of a nuclear reactor. But I throughout the world. I would like to know can tell the Hon. Member that we know the from the Hon, Minister whether this appre- technology of decommissioning and we will hension in the minds of the people of India be able to decommission the plant when it particularly, will hamper in any way, achiev- becomes unusable. ing this target of 10,000 megawatts by 21st Century. SHRI V. S. KRISHNA IYER : A nuclear plant is being installed in Karnataka. MR SPEAKER : I think, this has also In spite of the best efforts of the State been answered. Government, the people of the locality are still not convinced about the safety measuie SHRI E. AYYAPU REDDY : Just now that you are going to undertake. What steps the Hon. Member from Karnataka has said are you going to take to convince the people? that people in Karnataka are averse to the Is the Government oT India thinking of a location of a nuclear plant. So far as national debate as suggested by the Chief Andhra is concerned, they are not averse to Minister of Karnataka with regard to safety it. They are demanding it. Will the Prime measures to be undertaken in the nuclear Minister consider the location of a nuclear power plants ? power plant in Nagarjuna Sagar ?

THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI RAJIV SHRI RAJIV GANDHI : Sir, we will GANDHI): We have not taken a decision yet definitely consider the location of these plants on the location of the nuclear plants which purely on merits of the case. But what has are to come. But we have taken note of ^een raised here is the question of safety what the Hon. Member has said and we will ancj j think what is required is a debate in certainly take that into consideration before j^e country on the safety of nuclear power we putting up the plant in Karnataka. plants and we would like to have such a debate. 1 would like to add at this point [Translation] two aspects. One is that whenever there is a new technology, there is always certain SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT: I danger with that technology, till our would like to know from the Hon, Minister experience with that technology becomes about the damage that is likely to be caused such that it becomes something for every 9 Oral Answers KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Oral Answers 1(| day use. And it happens with every new of a Jharkhand State within the Indian technology that conies. Atomic energy is no Union. exception to that. At the same time, we have one of the best safety records in our atomic Such demands arise on account of power plants. As the Hon. Minister has economic imbalances. The Government is of just now said, there has been no accident on the view that-such imbalances in a particular the atomic side, of our plants. Now, our State or region should be tackled through safety record is very good. But there is one the mechanism of planning and the creation area where we have weakness and I would of a separate State may not be the answer like this House to have a debate on this to the problem. issue as well, that is, about our capacity to cope in case there is an accident. Thar SHRI SATYENDRA NARAYAN means : Is our system safe enough ? Suppos- SINHA : Sir, the demand of Jharkhand ing something does happen —it is highly State has been there for more than three unlikely because our record is very good, decades. The Government has said that it our precautions are good; we have double is because of ihe economic imbalance. The containment and it is unlikely anything will Government depends upon the mechanism happen— what about our capacity to cope of planning. with it ? In case something happens, how much capacity we have, how capable we Sir, we know that we have a Special are all in handling that. I have already Tribal Development Plan. W'e have Tribal asked our Departments to go into it and Sub-Plans. They have been implemented develop that capacity. That has to be there. and despite that, the imbalance still exists. For example, when it happened in Bhopal, Therefore, I want to know, whether the what was our capacity to cope with the Government— in view of the fact that almost disaster that took place there ? So, 1 have all the Jharkhand parties have assembled on asked them what will be our capacity in case one platform, including the Vice-Chancellor something happens. of Ranchi * University and have demanded a Jharkhand State, otherwise, they will Demand for a separate Tribal State resort to a movement have proposed to take any effective step and if so what effective step does the Government proposes to take *123. SHRI SATYENDRA NARAYAN for the implementation of the plans, in SINHA : Will the Minister of HOME order to remove theie imbalances which AFFAIRS be pleased to state : have been in existence for the last three years, despite the planned development ? (a) whether Government have received atiy report of a seminar of tribal leaders held at Jamshedpur in October, 1986 in which a S. BUTA SINGH : Sir, we have noted demand for a separate Tribal State was the seriousness of the decisions which were raised as reported in the Statesman dated 20, taken on that Conference. I propose to have October, 1986; a separate meeting with the State Govern- ment and also they will be advised to take (b) if so, Government’s views on the suitable steps which should go to eliminate demand; the economic imbalances, the backwardness f of the area and also to have bome kind of (c) whether the speeches made’ at this a feeling among the people that they are seminar were encouraging separatism; and not neglected. These decisions taken in this Conference have already been conveyed to (d) if so, the steps Government intend the Government and the State Government to take ? is in touch with us. We will take appropriate steps. But the implementation of the sub- THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS plan, so far as the States affected by the (S. BUTA SINGH) : (a) to (d). Government decisions of this Conference are concerned, have seen the relevant Press Report. The has been by and large satisfactory, except Conference held at Jamshedpur from 19th one State, where the implementation falls to 21st October, 1986 is reported to have short and that is Orissa. The other States adopted Resolutions demanding creation have implemented the Tribal Sub-Plan to 11 Oral Answers NOVEMBER 12, 19&6 Oral Answers 12 the satisfaction. Some States have over-shot These are some of the basic issues on the target like, Madhya Pradesh, where it which the leaders are trying to build the is 136.6 percent. West Bengal, 256.9 per movement. Naturally, these issues must be cent. attended to by the State Government; and also, wherever Central Government's assis- Orissa falls short by achievement of 95.4 tance is required in the implementation of per cent of the target. Therefore, the programmes, e.g. in respect of land alienation, responsibility squarely lies with the Govern- large scale exploitation by money-lenders, ment of Orissa and we are taking up the steps could be jointly initiated by the States matter with them. and the Central Government. We are very keen that all these basic issues must be SHRI SATYENDRA NARAYAN attended to, before any agitation takes a SINHA : From the reply, it appears that turn for the worse. the tribal plans have been more or less effectively implemented, so as to achieve [Translation] 90 per cent or so, of the targets. Yet, the imbalance continues. Have Government thought of going into the reasons for this SHRI SHIV PRASAD SAHU : Mr. imbalance and the seething discontent and Speaker, I would like to tell the Hon. resentment among the Adivasis who are Minister that resentment amongst the tribals demanding a separate State consisting of the of Chota Nagpur and Santhal Pargpna, 21 districts of West Bengal, Orissa, Madhya Madhya Pradesh and Orissa is not new. Pradesh and Bihar ? What is the reason This resentment has been there for the last that they are feeling discriminated against, 40 >ears. I would like to know from the exploited and deprived ? All kinds of feelings Hon. Minister whether the Government are there in their minds. Merely depending jobs reserved for them are being given to upon the mechanism of planning may not them properly or not ? Today, the displaced be an answer to their demands. Therefore, persons are not getting jobs, they are cheat- my question is whether Government, instead ed, Government are giving crores of rupees of writing to the State Governments, are to Bihar. Are these funds being properly going to take some effective steps before spent or are they being usurped by the the movement gathers momentum, and middlemen ? Their demands pertaining to becomes strident and turns violent. railway; are not being met and as a result of all these factors, resentment amongst them S. BUTA SINGH : I am in full agree- is incieasing. Not only this, Jharkhand ment with the Hon. Member. Broadly, the Mukti Morcba is going to start an agitation reasons which are in the minds of those from the 17th instant and a number of leaders who attended this conference are : parties are participating in the Morelia. The large scale alienation of the Adivasis’ lands, news reports of yesterday suggest that they exploitation of the tribals by the money- are prepared to take up arms and a dange- lenders, unemployment in general inadequate rous situation is going to be created. I would development of the area, very scanty like to ask the Government, especially the spread of education as also the exploita- Prime Minister, whether some foreign hand tion on the part of the missionaries of the is there in creating disturbances in the tribal region. They are exploiting the poor tribals. areas of Chota Nagpur, or.' is Punjab type These are the broad underlying practi^s situation going to be created there ? What which are contributing to this kind of steps are the Government taking to tackle a demand by the Adivasis of the region, this situation ? which is spread among 3 or 4 States. In addition to that, in the conference the basic S. BUTA SINGH : Mr. Speaker, Sir, issues which were raised prominently by the I share the concern expressed by the Hon. leaders, were that they wanted reservation Member as I did in the case of Shri in jobs for tribals of the Jharkhand region Satyendra. We are aware of the seriousness in the other States. They all wanted the of the situation. It will be our endeavour, teaching of the Jharkhandi language at all in liaison with the State Government, to see levels in the region, and the broadcast of that this agitation does not become violent. Jharkhandi programme over the radio and We shall try to find solution to these television. problems before the situation gets out of 13 Oral Answert KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Oral Answers 14

hand. The State Government will establish for the rehabilitation of safai karamcharis, contact with the leaders and will pay provide better direction and adequate funds attention to their serious problems. Efforts for the special component programmes, pur- in this direction are already going on. sue programmes for the fuller integration of SC and ST with the rest of the society and I also agree with the contention of the ensure rehabilitation of the tribals displaced Hon. Member, and the reports that we have from their habitats. Theie are the new received also point to that that the develop- dimensions that we propose to give in the ment of Chota Nagpur area has not taken implementation of 20*point programme; and place the way it should have been. The as I had just now said, we will not leave monitoring which the Central Government the monitoring only to the State authorities; has started new points to these facts, it will the Central Government will take the be our endeavour to see that monitoring is monitoring and wherever there are short- made more effective. falls and drawbacks, we will take appropriate steps to see that these programmes [English] are implemented in all seriousness.

SHRI C. P. THAKUR : Recently, we Air pollution had a seminar on ‘youths rural unre3t in Bihar’. Some of the youths who took to *124..DR. K. G. AD1YODI: Will the extremism before, were, anyhow, converted M'oister of ENVIRONMENT AND and all were unanimous on one point that FORESTS be pleased to state : whatever grant, whatever project, whatever aid the government gives to these areas, whe- (a) whether steps have been taken by ther it is Adivasi area or some other area the Centre for. Earth Science Studies, in Bihar, all is eaten by the rr>iddle man agiJ Trivandrum to assess air pollution; thai does not reach the common man. « Whatever report government gives, it is the (b) the details of infrastructure available same machinery which is giving grants that in our country including at Trivandrum to is monitoring its performance Therefore, in assess air pollution; Adivasi areas, unless government comes out with some positive steps to see that the (c) the details of steps taken in various money reaches that particular person, par- parts of the country in connection with the ticular poor Adivasi, the problem is not going research on atmospheric sciences; and to be solved. So, what steps the Central Government is going to take in this regard ? ^d) the steps taken to reduce air pollu- Simply saying that it is a matter for the tion in major cities of India ? State Government to take up and we will talk to the State Government is not enough THE MINISTER OF STATE IN as the situation has reached to such a THE MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT stage. AND FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : (a) to (d). A statement is given below. S. BUTA SINGH : As I mentioned 4 briefly in answer to Shri Satyendra Narayan Statement Sinha’s question, we, in the revised 20-point programme, which is now just taken up for (a) Yes, Sir. implementation, have made special provisions, and I would like to mention them. Under (b) A network of 67 ambient air quality the heading ‘Point 11’, —justice to SC and monitoring stations has been set up in ST the government shall ensure compliance various parts of the country by the National with the constitutional provisions and laws Environmental Engineering Research for SC and ST, and ensure possession of Institute and the Pollution Control Boards. land allotted to the SC and ST, revitalise In addition, facilities are available in diffe- land allotment programmes, organise and rent organisations including the Centre for assist special coaching programmes to Earth Sciences, Trivandrum for specialised improve educational standards, eradicate studies relating to air quality and atmosphe- scavenging and under take special programme ric sciences. 15 Oral Antwen NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Oral Answers 16

(c) Under the Indian Middle Atmosphe-the study of Ozone, its effects and the ric Programme (IMAP), experiments inclu- pollution that is created by Ozone. ding rocket and balloon flights are conducted for research on atmospheric sciences, Again, 44 Rohini-200 rockets were flown from Sriharikota and eleven Rohini Soun- (d) The steps taken to reduce air pollu- ding Rockets each were flown, from Srihari- tion include : kota and Balasore. Two RH-300 Sounding Rockets for studying Aerosols were flown —Air pollution control areas have in October 1986, and RH-300 Sounding been notified; rockets were flown for studying ionisation in the middle atmosphere. These are the total —Ambient air quality standards for figures. Many rockets and balloons have different types of areas have been been launched to study the Middle Atmos- prescribed; phere conditions.

—Emission standards have been DR. K 0. ADIYODI : Launching of evolved for major polluting indus- rockets is irrelevant in this question, and tries; may I put another question ?

—Industries have been directed to The tubercrops cultivation in Quilon comply with the standards; and Trivandrum districts is vitiated by titanium dioxide. If it is consumed by public —Standards for vehicular exhausts it stimulates fibrosis of the heart muscles. have been laid down and the Is it in the knowledge of the Government ? State Governments have been Has any study been conducted 7 If so, what advised to enforce the standards are the steps that they are taking ? under the Motor Vehicles Act; and SHRI Z. R. ANSARI : Presently, I do — Incentives are provided for shifting not have the information, because this is of polluting industries from con- the programme of the Ministry of Space gested areas. and tbey are conducting this programme. So, information is not with us. DR. K. G. ADIYODI : May I know the total number of flights conducted by SHRI SURESH KURUP : What is the rockets and balloons for the purpose of air question and what is the answer ? quality monitoring during the last three years in Trivandrum ? (Interruptions)

So, you are not concerned with the air SHRI Z. R. ANSARI : Actually, this programme of Indian Middle Atmos- pollution at all ! pheric Programme is not Primarily meant and specifically directed towards [Translation] air pollution study. This programme has been launched for knowing the middle SHRI BHAJAN LAL : Mr. Speaker, atmospheric conditions, and for that pur- Sir, so far as industrial pollution is con- pose, regular weekly flights of the Soviet cerned, the Government have taken a number made M-100 rocket from the Thumba of steps in that regard. Government have Equatorial Rocket Launch Station near- passed legislation in the last session and we Trivandrum are being launched. Also, there are going to enforce it from the 19th are regular weekly flights of Indian made November. The Act provides that irrespec- RH-200 from Balasore, The above flights tive of the type of industry, if one does not are meant for study of the upper atmosphere instal witer treatment plant within a year, winds for long term climatologieal studies he will be liable to imprisonment for five and also for correlation with other meteoro- ysars and a fine of Rs. 1000. Even after logical parameters. For example, in 1983 tnat if he does not instal, the imprisonment sixteen M-100 rockets were flown for study will be for seven years together with a fine of Ozone, from Thumba. This is a part of of Rs. 5,000. So far as smoke is concerned, 17 Oral Answers KRATIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Oral Answers 18

we are going to instal an equipment so that and sulphuric acid waste is allowed to flow it may not be harmful to the health of the to the sea and several kilometres of cea is common people. already polluted. The traditional seamen are now undergoing great hardship because [English] fish does not survive there and they are in Starvation. May I know from the Hon. SHRI VIJAY N. PATIL : Mr. Speaker, Minister whether effective steps will be taken part (b) of the question is on information to control pollution caused by the TTP about the infrastructure to assess air pollu- project ? tion, including that at Trivandrum. Air pollution is more in the cities like Calcutta, Delhi SHRI Z. R. ANSARI : Answer to the and Bombay where traffic jams are there and last question is yes. As far as this centre is vehicles arc emitting smoke and soot. Even concerned, it is established under the Indian petrol vapours released in Delhi and other Middle Atmosphere Programme. It is not cities contain soot. In Delhi what we find primarily meant for the measurement of is, because of non-installation of electrostatic ambient levels. precipitators in the thermal plants—I do not know whether they are installed now—■ But certainly measurement of ambient lot of soot is released in the air and even in levels of hydroxyl concentrations will provide our MPs’ flats we find that the fans are useful information on the nature and extent coated with soot. It is not known how much of pollution and the impact of man-made soot is released into the air and it goes into emissions. This Centre is under ihe Ministry our ears, nose and eyes. We in the cities are of Space. And the studies which they are more prone to air pollution. What studies making will centainly help us in knowing the are being conducted about this, as asked in ambient levels in the atmosphere. We shall the question 7 certainly make use of them.

[Translation] SHRI A. CHARLES r I want to know whether steps will be taken to control pollu- SHRI BHAJAN LAL : Mr. Speaker, tion 7 Sir, there are 18 such metropolitan cities in the country where pollution is excessive. SHRI Z. R. ANSARI : I have specifically The sources which cause pullution include said that certainly steps will be taken to factories, domestic waste water, domestic take care of every sort of pollution. It is smoke, vehicular traffic such as trucks, buses, because of this fact that in the last session cars* etc. Of these, we have selected 9 cities we brought an Environment Protection Bill for the present and it will be our endeavour to to take care of every sort of pollution reduce the menace of pollution their. You whether it is air pollution, water pollution or know, this problem is not going to be solved environmental pollution. overnight. It will take some time, but the Government are doing their best to solve [Translation) this problem as early as possible. Development of sanctuaries and [Engllgh] National Desert Park in Rajasthan

SHRI A. CHARLES : If you see the answer given by the Minister, it says that *125 SHRI VIRDH1 CHANDER JAIN: facilities are available in . different organisa- Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND tions including the Centre for Earth Science FORESTS be pleased to state the broad out- Studies, Trivandrum for specialised studies lines of the schemes to further develop relating to air quality and atmospheric Sariska, Ranthambhore Sanctuaries as well as sciences. Travancore Titanium Product is Jaisalmer National Desert Park in Rajasthan the only one industry worth the name in State ? Trivandrum. However, it has caused serious threat to ihe city because it has already THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT caused air pollution and sea pollution. The AND FORESTS (SHRI BHAJAN LAL) : whole atmosphere is contamiuated with smog A statement is given below ; 19 Oral Answers NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Ora! Answers 20

Statement Year Plan and how much assistance the Central Government is going to provide for Development of sanctuaries and flfiis and in what form ? National Desert Park in Rajasthan SHRI BHAJAN LAL : Mr. Speaker, Sariska and Ranthambtaore became Tiger Sir, till 1970, hunting of tiger was not Reserves in 1978-79 and 1973-74 respec- banned. The ban came into force after 1970. tively, and are receiving Central assistance The Bill was passed and the Act came into under the Centrally Sponsored Scheme force in 1972. Under this project, we have ‘Project Tiger*. Assistance provided by the notified 15 areas of which 3 are in Rajasthan. Central Government to Sariska^ and Ran- thambhore National Parks during the VI Five So far as the quantum of funds to be Year Plan was Rs. 23.86 lakhs and Rs. spent on this project during the Seventh Five 19.06 lakhs respectively. The proposed Year Plan is concerned, v/ehave provided Rs. outlay for these areas during the VII Five 10.60 crores for the development of these Year Plan is Rs. 444899 lakhs and Rs. sanctuaries so that beautiful sanctuaries 47 67 lakhs. Activities to be undertaken in could be developed on modern lines. This is these two areas include protection of the how we have chalked out this programme. fauna, flora and the ecosystem; development of road and wireless communication; water SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA : conservation; habitat improvement; protection Is this amount of Rs. 10 crores being given from fire and grazing; collection of basic for Jaisalmer ? * data and scientific information required for the better management of the area. SHRI BHAJAN LAL : No, the figure which' I have given is for the country as a An area of 3162 sq. kms. in the Jaisal- whole. If the Hon. Member wants to know mer and Barmer districts of. Rajasthan has the figures about Jaisalmer, I am prepared to been declared as a sanctuary in August, 1980 give them for his information. The funds with the object of preservation and restora- allocated for Jaisalmer were Rs. 6.50 lakhs tion of the desert flora and fauna and in 1982-83. Rs. 6.84 lakhs in 1983-84, ecosystems. The intention to declare it is a Rs. 6.50 lakhs in 1984-85 and Rs. 8.87 Desert National Park was notified in May, lakhs in 1985-86. 1981. Grazing is being controlled; plantations undertaken; certain areas fenced off; The entire expenditure that may be drinking water facilities being provided to incurred on a scheme under which a puna animals and animals are being protected from structure is erected as also on the mainte- poaching. The State Government of Raja* nance of the sanctuary shall be borne by the sthan has not asked for any financial assis- Central Government, tance from the Ministry of Environment and Forests for this area so far. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN : Mr. Speaker, Sir, even a cursory reading of Hon. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN : Mr. Minister’s written reply makes it clear that Speaker, Sir, when the JaisaJmerand Barmer the amount allocated for this purpose during National Desert Park was notified as a pro- last some years was inadequate whereas the tected area in the year 1981, we were area of 3162 square kilometres was notified assured that the local wild habitats like for this sanctuary. How then ihe develop- Dear, Panda, Godavan and the flora and ment of these areas could be possible ? fauna would be preserved But during my Therefore, I would HV c to know'^as to what recent visit to that area, I found that the scheme the Central Government arc formu- pace of progress was very slow. Neither the lating in this regard and how are they going arrangements made by erecting a fencing to to provide cent per cent assistance ? Also prevent cattle from grazing there have been what steps the Government have taken in effective nor Deer and Godavans are being regard to the order of Sawai Madhopur’s reared there. Therefore, I would like to Collector as a result of which cattle graziers know as to what steps have been taken to had intruded into the Ranthambhore sanc- devlop this park so far, what arc the pro- tuary and had destroyed the trees, plants and grammes in this regard iq the Seventh Five grass ? 21 ' Ora! Answers KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Oral Answers l i

SHRI BHAJAN LAL : Sir, it is true funds so that the wild life in the project that Rajasthan is facing severe drought for area could get water to drink and arrange- the last three or four years in succession, as ments for growing grass could also be made a result of which nowhere green pastures are there ? seen. Therefore, some people requested the Collector that the villagers be allowed to SHRI BHAJAN LAL : Though the graze their cattle there, because due to question asked by the Hon. Member is well shortage of fodder and green grass, their taken, yet the difficulty that arises is that the cattle were facing starvation. The Collector Government of Rajasthan has not asked for allowed grazing of cattle in the area where even a single paisa so far. cattle grazing can be permitted, but this area, though a reserved area, was not the one MR. SPEAKER : Have they not asked where nobody is allowed to enter. However, for it ? he should not have given this permission, because a number of cattle graziers raided SHRI BHAJAN LAL : No, they have the area with their cattle herds and cut about not. We are prepared to give funds, should 100 trees besides causing huge damage. they so demand. Thereafter, our officers made a request to * the Collector that this step bad caused a MR. SPEAKER ; Shri Ram Singh, you heavy damage and as such the permission for may ask the Rajasthan Government to ask cattle grazing should not be given. But when for funds in wriiing. It would not help if they the Collector did not agree to this request, show miserliness even in seeking funds. we wrote to the Chief Minister of Rajasthan. Thereupon, the Goverpment of Rajasthan You tell n e Mr. Jujhar Singh, will you issued orders to the Collector to withdraw awaken the Government or not ? the permission. The Collector withdraw his orders which also led to a clash and a scuffle SHRI JUJHAR SINGH : Mr. Speaker, ansued. The Collector should not have given Sir, like Sariska and Ranthambhore, Durah permission for cattle grazing, but since he Games Sanctuary located in Kota district is did so, he was transferred from there. The also very important. I would like to know Central Government have written to the whethei1 it is a fact that cattle graziers from State Government to send a deiled report on outside the distri.t have settled down there the incident after conducting an inquiry into and no steps have been taken to eivct them it indicating the loss suffered and fixing up from the- sanctuary ? What does the Govern- the responsibility. ment propose to do in this regard ?

SHRI RAM SINGH YADAV : Mr. MR. SPEAKER : Bhajan Lalji, I have Speaker, Sir, Sariska Tiger Project is located received one suggestion, and this is the in my constituency and this project has been opinion of the entire House too, that I given only Rs. 44.89 lakhs as Central assis- should auk you to give funds. Therefore, you tance in the Seventh Plan. It means that give funds. only Rs. 9 lakhs will be given to this tiger project of such a large size. As there has SHRI BHAJAN LAL : If it is your been no rains successively for the last two order, 1 shall carry it out, but you ask the years, neither there is water nor a blade of Rajasthan Government to send it in writing. grass. The Hon. Minister has stated in his reply that the Government, are giving funds MR. SPEAKER : You take my word for water conservation and habitat improve- and allocate funds. ment, but I would like to sajj that the amount of funds that are being allocated is SHRI BHAJAN LAL : Let them at totally inadequate. least say for which project they need funds.

I would like to know whether in view of MR. SPEAKER : They arc not asking the special condition of that area and also it for their personal benefit. in view of the fact that it is the largest tiger project in the country, the Hon. Minister SHRI BHAJAN LAL : Let them at least would be kind enough to allocate additional give it in black and white, i 23 Cral Answers NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Ora! Answers 2 4

[English] [Translation]

SHRI JUJHAR SINGH : Is it a fact THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT that Durab game sanctuary in Kota (Raja- AND FORESTS (SHRI BHAJAN LAL). sthan) is as old and as important as the one (a) Yes Sir. in Sariska and the Ranthambhore Game Sanctuary and that the cattle graziers from (b) Yer Sir. outside Kota have been allowed to come and t # settle down in this sanctuary after it was (c) The details pertaining to (a) an ( ) declared as a sanctuary area ? What efforts above are given belowin statements 1 and is the Government making to clear the U respectively. exploitation in this area ? Statement-1

[Translation] Action Plan

SHRI BHAJAN LAL : Sir, Government The Action Plan drawn up by the have always made their best efforts. So far National Wastelands Development Board and as the question of giving funds for Rantham- accepted by the State/UT Governments for bhore Sanctuary is coacerned, 1 would like implementation has the following key ele- to inform this House that Rs. 4.00 lakhs ments :— were given in 1981-82, Rs. 5.50 lakhs were 1. Identification of Wastelands : given in 1982-83, Rs. 1.56 lakhs in 1983- 84, Rs. 4.00 lakhs in 1984-85 andRs. 7.70 " Each State/UT Government has' been lakhs were given in 1985-86. requested to identify wastelands in their territory whether they be in forest area, SHRI JUJHAR SINGH : My question revenue/common lands or degraded farm is about something else. lands.

SHRI BHAJAN LAL : You have asked 2, People*s Involvements : about Ranthambhore to which I have replied. So far as the question of migration of cattle This will be ensured by the following from outside the district or giving them measures :— permission for grazing is concerned, the permission is given under a set of rules. It is (a) Decentralised Nurseries : People’s not that we give step-motherly treatment to nurseries i.e. kisans, schools, one area and indulge in committing excess in women, youth groups, voluntary another area. It is not like that. agencies, etc., will be motivated to meet the increased demand of seedlings. [English] (b) Farm Forestry : Farmers will be Development of Wasteland motivated to take up tree farming on their marginal lands and plant- *128 SHRI P. M, SAYEED : Will the ing on their field bunds. A rational Minister of . ENVIRONMENT AND policy in regard to distribution of FORESTS be pleased to state : seedlings should be evolved.

(a) whether Government propose to (c) Tree Growers ‘Cooperative : Tree adopt any new strategy for the development Growers’ Cooperatives should be of wasteland in the country; organised with the involvement of farmers in raising and distribution of seedlings and in tree plantations. (b) whether programmes for increased productivity in dryland have been chalked (d) Voluntary Agencies : The grss-roots out; and agencies. Mahila Mandals, Youth groups would also be motivated in (c) if so, the details thereof ? nursery raising and tree plantations. 25 Oral Answers KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Oral Answers U

(e) Tree Pattas : Strips of land along 8. Degraded Forest Areas : roads, rails, canals, etc., and other degraded land should be given to States have been requested to identify the rural poor, with usufruct rights degraded forest lands and to reforett on the trees planted by them on them with fuelwood and fodder species. each lands. 9. Forest Development Corporations :

3. Nodal Agency : The Forest Development Corporations should obtain wastelands on lease from The State/U.T. Governments have been the Government for raising fuelwood and requested to identify a single nodal fodder plantations. agency for ensuring an integrated approach for the implementation of the 10. Government Departments : programme which is being executed by different agencies, official and other- Government Departments, public sector wise. undertakings and other bodies/institutions having substantial areas of unutilised lands must bring such land under tree 4. Seed : cover.

The States/U.Ts have been requested to 11. Media and Communication : extend the scope of operation of the existing State Seed Corporations to in- A massive publicity campaign through clude the production and supply of the traditional media of folk art and fodder, grass and legume seeds to culture, radio,television and other audio- farmers on commercial basis. visual aids should be undertaken to create awareness among the masses. 5. Leasing of Lands: 12. Monitoring and Evaluation ;

The States/U.T. Governments have been The States/U.T. Government should requested to prepare guidelines for leas- evolve appropriate monitoring and ing of wastelands for afforestation to evaluation machanisrns to ensure qualita- the rural poor. tive implementation of the programme.

6. Forest based industries : Stafement-ll

Must be encouraged to afforest waste- For the development of dryland agri- lands to produce the raw material needed culture a new Centrally Sponsored Scheme by them. Industries must also be entitled the ‘National Watershed Development thused to raise tree cover on wastelands Programme for Rainfed Agriculture’ has been with a view to provide employment to sanctioned from 1986*87 to 1989-90. The the rural poor as well as to enable them objective and approach would be to grow trees on a remunerative basis. The State Governments have been re- (i) To conserve soil and moisture on quested to draw up guidelines for the watershed basis for crop production. lease of wastelands to industries in this behalf. (ii) To stabilise and increase crop yield from rainfed farming and to aug- 7. Urban Fuelwood and Green Belts : ment the fruit, fodder and fuol resources by use of appropriate alter- The States/UTs. have been requested to nate laod use systems and; ensure that town and cities have green belts of fuelwood and fodder plantations (iii) To develop and disseminate techno- to cater to the urban fuelwood and logies for the proper soil and mois- fodder needs. ture conservation methods required 2? Oral Answers NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Or at Answers 2 8

under different conditions to achieve Rs. 120.00 crores and that of the State these objectives. Governments Rs. 119.00 crores. The Administrative and financial sanction of The programme will be implemented in this scheme was conveyed to State Govern- unirrigated arable lands in the country ments on 3rd July, 1986. mostly falling in the rainfall range of 500mm to 1125 mm and also above 1125 mm The physical programmes (9.28 lakh where crop yields can be significantly in- hectares) will be undertaken during 7th Plan creased and stabilised by- the dissemination as per the watershed projects. of developed technology for scientific rainfed farming. The programme will run in 16 SHRI P. M. SAYEED : Mr. Speaker, States which includes Assam and 15 such Sir, big landlords are grabbing waste land States where pilot projects on water con- along the Farakka Barrage and also the land servation/harvesting technology are in opera- formed through soil erosion of Ganga at tion. The programme during 7th Plan Sitab Diyara on the borders of Uttar Pradesh tentatively covers 9.28 lakhs ha. in about and Bihar. Government have no control 99 districts of 16 states. The components over it. In a situation like this, are the under the programme are :- Government taking some steps to distribute the wasteland amongst the landless farmers (1) Land and moisture management for and unorganised agricultural labourers ? Are cropping systems introduction, dry- the Government going to enact a legislation land horticulture, fodder produc- to make such lands productive ? tion and farm forestry. SHRI BHAJAN LAL : Mr. Speaker, Sir, (2) Contingency seed stocking and so far as the question of distributing land supply of Seedlings and grass seed/ among the landless labourers is concerned, there is no question of alioting wasteland to slips. them. If some one is interested in planting (3) Training (i) Organisation of short trees on such lands, the land is allotted on t term training courses, seminars, lease basis so that the poor could plant field tours for staff and farmers etc., trees theicon and become the owner of that within the State. (ii) Training tree. In this process, lease money goes to courses, seminars, study tours etc., the Government. With regard to his second at regional/national level. point that big landlords are grabbing such land, he has not brought such a thing to Government’s notice earlier. Today, he has (4) Adaptive Research activity—con- brought it to our notice and we shall look ducting of adaptive trials in small into it. We shall not allow anybody to grab and marginal farmer’s fields. land in this manner howsoever big he may be. (5) Improved tools and equipment : SHRI P. M. SAYEED : Is there any (i) Purchase of survey equipment. proposal under consideration of the Govern- ment to set up industries on such wasteland (ii) Fabrication of adequate number of prototypes of newly on the lines of Chota Nagpur in Bihar and Haldia in West Bengal ? designed hand and draught powered tools . for testing in the field. SHRI BHAJAN LAL ! Sir, so far as the question of setting up industries on waste- (6) Preparation of scientific field manuals, land is concerned, no Government under- publicity material, audio-visual taking has been allotted land to set up in- aids for training including video dustry. In very exceptional cases, we allot cassettes. land if it is under the possession of the Government. But a peculiar thing in the The total outlay on the programme for case of wasteland is that it is owned partially the remaining four year of the 7th Plan is by the Government and partially by the Rs. 239.0U crores of which Central share is private people. We cannot allot private 29 Written Answers KARTUCA 21, 1908 (3AKA) Written Answers 30

people’s land to anybody. If under compell- THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT ing circumstances, the land is not available, AND FORESTS (SHRI BHAJAN LAL) : and if there is a scheme to set up an industry, (a) and (b). Surveys of selected chemical the concerned State Government gets it and petrochemical units have been conducted acquired and then allots it. This is also our through expert panels, for evolving guidelines endeavour to develop wasteland and to plant and recommendations on safety measures in trees on it so that environment is kept free such units. Expert teams have also been set of pollution, up in several States for recommending measures for safety in the industrial units DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR TR1PATH1 : handling hazardous chemicals. Mr, Speaker, Sir, I would like to know from the Hon. Minister as to how much wasteland Indo-US joint research is there in the country and whether any survey has been conducted in this respect ? *127. SHRI G. S. BASAVARAJU : Secondly, the Government have got a number SHRI H. N. NANJE GOWDA : of schemes to make the wasteland productive, but these development schemes cannot be Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : executed, because the Government do not pet land. Will the Government start develop- (a) whether Government have identified ment activities on wasteland on priority new areas of Indo-US research in the field basis and if so, what steps are proposed to of science and technology; be taken in this regard in future and by when ? (b) the areas of joint Indo-US research identified; SHRI BHAJAN LAL : Sir, ihe area of the country as a whole is about 33 croie (c) whether any agreement in this regard hectares. The statistics show that about has been reached; and 17.5 crore hectares come under wasteland. We have conductcd survey and have also (d) if so, when the implementation of chalked out a programme as to where trees these projects is likely to be taken up ? can be planted, where fruit bearing trees can be grown and which of

(b) if so, the details thereof ? (vi) Health, Medical and Life Sciences, 31 Written Answer* NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Written Answers 32

It was also agreed that popularization of (d) India does not have at present a science should be given increased support. remote sensing satellite in orbit. At the end of the two days meeting there was a total endorsement of the approach Shifting of Vikram Sarabhai Space followed so far and to be followed in future. Centre

Launching of fourth satellite IRS-IA *130 SHRI T. BASHEER: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state :

*129 SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA : (a) whether Government are considering SHRI AMAR SINGH to shift Vikram Sarabhai Space Centre from RATHAWA : Trivandrum; Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : (b) whether a part of the Vikram Sarabhai Space Centre has already been (a) whether a decision has since been shifted from Trivandrum; and taken to launch India’s fourth Satellite ‘IRS-IA’ from a site in Soviet Union; (c) if so, the reasons for such a move ?

(b) if so, the broad outlines of the agree- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ment made; MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- LOGY AND MINISTER OF STATE IN (c) the progress made so far and the THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVE- approximate date of launching the Satellite LOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELEC- and what will be its life span; and TRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI K. R. NARAYANAN); (a) and (b). NoT Sir. (d) the position of India’s present Sate- llite which is in the orbit ? (c) Does not arise.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Licences granted to electronic units MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- LOGY AND MINISTER OF STATE IN *131. SHRI RADHAKANTA DIGAL THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVE- Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to LOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELEC- state : TRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI K. R. NARAYANAN) : (a) The Indian Remote (a) the number of electronic units granted Sensing Satellite (IRS-IA) will be launched licences to produce electronic goods during into orbit by a Soviet launcher from a the last three years; launch site in the Soviet Union. (b) how many of those units have started (b) The commercial agreement covers commercial production; broadly the satellite-rocket mechanical and electrical interfaces, the vibrational and (c) whether many electronic units set up accoustic environment that the satellite is in different States and Union Territories have subjected to during launch, operations and failed to start production till September this procedures at the cosmodrome prior to year; launch, procedures for determining whether the satellite has been injected into the proper (d) if so, the particulars of such units; orbit and initial phase operations after and satellite injection. (e) the reasons why such units have not (c) The flight model of the spacecraft started production so far ? is under fabrication and testing. The launch will be in the second half of 1987. The THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE lifetime of the satellite will be about three MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- years, LOGY AND MINISTER OF STATE IN 33 Written Answers KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Written Answers 34

THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVE- THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS LOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELEC- (S. BUTA SINGH) : (a) No such reports TRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI K. R. have come to the notice of the Government, NARAYANAN) : (a) The number of indus- but Government are aware of infiltrators trial licences issued during the years 1983, coming over to India. 1984 and 1985 are 88, 103 and 116 respectively. (b) The information is being collected from the Government of West Bengal. (b) The number of units which have started commercial production as of now in (c) The security forces on Indo-Pak and respect of licences issued during the years Indo-Bangladesh borders are on constant 1983, 1984 and 1985 are 63, 58 and 52 vigil. Measures have also been taken to respectively. strengthen BSF in a 5-year programme,

(c) Yes Sir, many electronics units have Directives on conversation in Hindi failed to start production till September this with foreign dignitaries in India and year. abroad

(d^ 25 units out of IL issued in 1983, *133. SHRI C. JANG A REDDY : 45 units out of those issued in 1984 and 64 DR. A. K. PATEL : out of those issued in 1985 have not reported production as of now. Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state :

(e) In many cases delays in implemen- (a) whether Diplomats, Ministers and tation are generally due to non-provision of Ministerial delegations have been directed to infrastructural facilities, financial constraints, converse in Hindi with foreign dignitaries market fluctuations etc. abroad, to projcct a proper image of India abroad; Infiltrators from Pakistan and Bangladesh (b) whether Indian delegates at UNO have also been directed to use Hindi in UNO for the same reasons; and *132. SHRI JAGANNATH PATT- NAIK : (c) whether the same directive is appli- SHRI TARLOCHAN SINGH cable when conversation with foreign digni- TUR: taries is held in India ?

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state : (S. BUTA SINGH) : (a) to (c). Yes, Sir. A circular letter was sent to all Missions (a) whether Government have sfcen the * requesting them to advise/persuade members , press reports that over one crore Muslim of Indian delegations going abroad to make infiltrators have crossed over to India from use of Hindi, to the extent considered practi- Pakistan and Bangladesh during the last one cal and expedient, during discussions with decade; their counterparts. Ministry of External Affairs will provide facilities for interpretation. (b) whether it is a fact that about 50 These instructions will apply, to the extent lakh migrants have settled in 96 new colo- practical and expedient., when foreign digni' nies along the border in West Bengal which taries visit India. These guidelines are purely were not mentioned in the 1981 census; advisory. and Proposal to tighten the pollution (c) if S0j the steps taken or proposed to control acts tighten and check large scale infiltration alopg the international border in West Bengal, *134. SHRI P. PENCHALAIAH : Will Assam, Rajasthan, J. and K. Punjab and the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND Gujarat ? FORESTS be pleased to state ; Written Answers NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Written Answers

(a) whether the Government of Andhra[Translation ] Pradesh have requested the Union Govern- Development schemes in North-Eastern ment to amend the Pollution Control Acts region and make the same more stringent against those who violate the law; and * 135. SHRI BALWANT SINGH RAMOOWALIA : SHRI TEJA SINGH DARDI; (b) if so, Government’s reaction thereon ? Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state : • (a) whether Government have drawn up THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT a time bound programme for the completion AND FORESTS (SHRI BHAJAN LAL) : of the development schemes in North Eastern (a) Yes, Sir. region; and (b) if so, the broad outlines thereof ? (b) The Government of Andhra Pradesh THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS have made some suggestions regarding (S. BUTA SINGH) : (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. amendments to the Water < Prevention and In pursuance of the decision taken in the Control of Pollution) Act, 1974 and the meeting of the Committee of Ministers for Air (Prevention and Control of Pollution) Economic Development of the North-Eastern Act, 1981. Even otherwise considerable region, which was held on 24.6.1986, the work for amendments to these Acts has been Official Level Committee to service and undertaken over the last few months based support the above Committee of Ministers on all suggestions including those from drew up a time schedule for implementation Andhra Pradesh. These proposals have of certain major Central Sector Schemes in now been referred to all State Governments the North-East. The broad outlines of these for their views. schemes are given in the Statement below.

Statement * Broad outlines o f the major Central Sector Schemes for which a time schedule has been drawn up by the Official Level Committee to service and support the Committee o f Minister for Economic Development o f North-Eastern Region

S. No. Name of the Scheirie Target

1. Construction of Balipara-Bhalukpong By December, 1989. (35.46 Kms) Meter Gauge Railway Line

2. Construction of Dharmanagar-Kumar- 23 Kms. (Dharmanagar to ghat (33 Kms.) (Meter Gauge Pechhartal) has been completed Railway Line) in March, 1986. Pechhartal to Kumarghat scheduled to be completed by December, 1988.

3. Construction of Silchar-Jiribam (49.16 Scheduled to be completed by Kms.) (Meter Gauge Railway December, 1990. Lin$) t f Written Answers KARTIfCA i l , 1908 (&AkA) f o il ten Answers 38

4. Construction of Lalbazar-Bhairabi Scheduled to be completed by Meter Gauge Railway Line—48.15 1990. Kms.

5. Construction of road-bridge over Scheduled to be completed by river Brahmaputra near Tezpur. March, 1987.

6. Construction of National Highway-53 Scheduled to be completed by (Imphal-Silchar). 1990.

7. Improvement of National Highway-44 Scheduled to be completed by (Assam-Agartala) 1991.

Scheduled to be completed by 8. Completion of Transmission Line from Jiribam to Kumarghat via April, 1987. Aizawl.

9. Construction of Railway Sidings at Scheduled to be completed Rangia for stocking cement and during 1987-88. steel.

[English] of roads and wireless communication; water conservation, habitat improvement; control Similipal Tiger Project of grazing; fire protection; colleetion of basic data and scientific information required for the better management of the area. *136. SHRI HARIHAR SOREN : SHRI ANADICHARAN DAS : (b) Yes, Sir.

Will the Minister of ENVIRON- (d) Central assistance released to the MENT AND FORESTS be pleased to Similipal Reserve during the Sixth Plan was state : Rs. 41.83 lakhs. During 1985-86 and 1986-87, Rs. 9.93 and Rs. 11.40 lakhs (a) the activities of Similipal Tiger have been released as Central assistance. Project in Orissa; Arrest of foreign nationals during (b) whether the project authorities have raids in Delhi undertaken any research work on tigers in Similipal forest; and *137. SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD SINGH : (c) the other works being done by the SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Similipal Tiger Project; and Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS (d) the amount sanctioned for the be pleased to state : development and protection of the Similipal National Park ? (a) whether white heroin worth Rs. 9.6 crofes in the international market and THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT 176 kg. of charas worth Rs. 60 lakhs were AND FORESTS (SHRI BHAJAN LAL) : seized from a foreign national by special (a) and (c). Activities undertaken under the staff of South District Police after raids in Similipal Tiger Project include protection of New Friends Colony and Dayanand Colony the fauna, flora and ecosystem; development on 29 August, 1986; j 9 Written Answers NOVEMBER 12. 198

(b) if so, the details of the investigation (c) whether Union Government have , made in this connection; issued any guidelines and also extended their co-operation for rehabilitation of the (c) whether a number of persons of a Lodhas ? particular nationality were arrested during the last five years on similar charges of THE MINISTER OF STATE OF drug trade, foreign exchange racketeering THJE MINISTRY OF WELFARE (DR. etc.; and RAJENDRA KUMARI BAJPAI) : (a) The State Government have reported setting up (d) if so, the names of these foreign a micro project in 1985-86 for the develop- nationals arrested since 1980, the nature ment and rehabilitation of Lodhas identified of the cases aad the present stage of the as primitive tribes in Orissa. cases ?

, THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (b) The project is under implementation. (S.‘BUTA SINGH) : (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. 91 kg. of heroin and 176 kg of charas were (c) The State Government was advised recovered on 30th August, 1986 from an to take special steps for improving the Afghan National resident of New Friends socio-economic conditions and educational Colony, New Delhi. Interrogation led to status of the primitive tribal groups which further recovery of 5 kg. of heroin from the include the Lodhas. A portion of Special possession of another Afghan national Central Assistance is earmarked for develop- resident of Dayanand Colony. The estimated ment of the 12 primitive tribal groups in value of the heroin and charas seized in Orissa. the two cases is about Rs. 9-6 crores and 60 lakhs- respectively in the International Commissioning of Dhruva reactor Market. *139. SHRI MURLIDHAR DEORA : (c) A rftrmber of Afghan nationals have Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to been arrested by the Delhi Police on charges state : of drug trafficking and under the Excise Act, Arms Act, and 1PC. However, none of them (a) the time by which the Dhruva has been arrested by the Delhi Police for reactor is likely to be commissioned; and foreign exchange racketeering. (b) whether the delay has any effect cn (d) The requisite information.is contain* the availability of isotopes for medical ed in the statement laid on the Table of the needs ? House. [Placed in Library. See No. L.T.-3204/86]. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- Rehabilitation of Lodhas by Orissa LOGY AND MINISTER OF STATE IN Government THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVE- LOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELEC- *138. SHRI LAKSHMAN MALL1CK : TRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI K. R. SHRI ANANTA PRASAD NARAYANAN) : (a) DHRUVA was com- SETHI: missioned in August, 1985. All systems are operational. The reactor restarted on Will the Minister of WELFARE be 30.10.1986 will be gradually raised to pleased to state : full power after loading of additional fuel rods. (a) whether Union Government have received any report from ihe State Govern- ment of Orissa regarding the rehabilitation (b) The radioisotopes used in India are of Lodhas; if so, the details thereof; generated at the Circus Reactor which has been fully operational and consequent^ (b) whether the steps for the rehabilita- radioisotope availability to the medical field tion of Lodhas have ended in failure; and is not affected. 41 Written Answers KARTtKA 21. 1908 (SAKA) Written Answtn

Mishaps in Talcher heavy commissioning of the plant they did not water plant contribute to any delay in the commissioning of the plant. *140. PROF. RAMKRISHNA MORE : Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to (c) and (d). An Enquiry Committee state. constituted in May 1986 has established \ the cause of the accident and has also (a) how many times since 1972, the suggested preventive measures to be taken Talcher Heavy Water Plant suffered mishaps, to avoid recurrence of the type of incidents stating the extent of loss suffered in each that occurred on April 29, 1986. The plant case; is now ready for start-up, duly revamped, and is awaiting safety clearance as well as (b) the period by which the commission- availability of inputs from the Fertilizer ing of the plant has been delayed as a result Plant. thereof and the estimated cost escalation as against the original estimate; Rehabilitation of East Bengal refugees (c) whether a fresh inquiry into the cause of April 29, 1986 accident at Talcher 1258. SHRI P1YUS TIRAKY ; Will Heavy Water Plant was conducted; and the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state : (d) if so, the result thereof, stating the action taken thereon ? (a) whether West Bengal Government * have demanded an additional sum of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Rs. 750 crores for rehabilitation of refugees; MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- LOGY AND MINISTER OF STATE IN (b) if so, whether this demand has been THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVE- acceded to and fund released to the State LOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELEC- Government; and i TRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI K. R. NARAYANAN) : (a) and (b). An explosion (c) if not, the reasons therefor ? followed by fire took place on April 29, 1986 and a minor incident of ignition of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE hydrogen on September 1, 1985. These MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI resulted in a loss of about Rs. 40.00 lakhs. CHINTAMANI PANIGRAH1) : (a) to (c). Since both these incidents occurred after the A statement is given below.

Statement Samar Mukherjee Committee Report action taken on various recommendations The Samar Mukherjee Committee, set up by Government o f West Bengal had recommended assistance of Rs. 750 crores for rehabilitation o f displaced persons in West Bengal and the same was claimed by the State Government. The item wise details of assistance recommended as well as present position is as follows :

SI. Recommendation Amount (in Action taken No. crores of rupees)

1. Schemes for economic rehabi- 450.00 Economic benefit to displaced persons litation of displaced persons, should flow from normal plan activities. 2. Development of DP colonies 119.47 The matter concerns Ministry of Urban and increase in the ceiling of Development to whom the relevant development cost. extracts of the report have already been sent. 43 Written Answers NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Written Answers 44

1 2 3. 4

3. Regularisation of about 632 93.97 It has been agreed in principle to more squatters* colonies which regularise colonies set up by 25.3.71 came into existence after West Bengal Govt, has given a list 30.12.1950. of 613 such colonies. Further action in the matter is being taken in this regard in consultation with the State Government. 4. Assistance to the non-camp 66.39 As per , policy, non-camp displaced families. person families are not eligible for any rehabilitation assistance and at this state their cases cannot be reopened as it would have wide repercussions. 5. Resettlement of displaced per- 8.83 Nearly 800 acres of land is available son families on vacant with the State Government and the acquired land at Salanpur. State Government has intimated that the land is being utilised but they have not indicated the names of the schemes. In any case we have no families who are awaiting resettlement. 6. Resettlement of rehabilitable 3.74 The matter concerns the Ministry of PL families. ^Vefare who have intimated that this item of work stands transferred to the State Government on the recommendation of the 6th Finance Commission. 7. Enhancement of ceiling of 1.84 Ceilings have been revised upward to House Building loans to ex- Rs. 6,500 per family in urban areas camp site families. and Rs. 4,200 up rural areas. The scheme is under implementation. 8. Rehabilitation of displaced. 1.00 This problem was neither posed by the Muslims. State Govt, before the Committee of Review set up in 1967, nor before the Working Group which was set up in 1975. Moreover Samar Mukherjee Committee has not given proper assessment of the problem. We have explained the position to the State Government. 9. Revival of Harobhanga 2.89 Samar Mukherjee Committee had Schemc-ll for resettlement of recommended resettlement of 900 agri- DPs. culturist families in the scheme which was abandoned when Dandakaramya Project was set up. As we do not have any family for resettlement, the question of revival of the scheme does not arise. 45 Written Answers KARTIKA 21. 1908 (SAKA) Written Answers 4d

Heavy water plant at Thai PATIL : Will the Minister of ENVIRON- MENT AND FORESTS be pleased to state : 1259. SHR1MAT1 JAYANTI PATNAIK : Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to (a) whether the Department of Environ- state : ment has issued any directions/guidelines ♦ regarding methods to control the growing (a) whether the heavy water plant set up monkey population in the country, apart at Thai by Rashtriya Chemicals and Fertili- from a ban on their export and their killing; zers on behalf of Atomic Energy Commission has started production; (b) if so, the details thereof; (b) if so, since when the expected annual production of heavy water from that plant; (c) if not, whether Government have any and plans to issue such directions/guidelines; and

(c) the details thereof ? (d) the estimated population of monkeys in the country, statewise ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- LOGY AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVE- MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND LOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELEC- FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) (a) No, TRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI K. R. Sir. NARAYANAN) : (a) Yes, Sir. (b) Does not arise. (b) and (c). As part of commissioning, trial production of heavy water by burning (c) No, Sir. enriched deuterium started on 28th October, 1986 from one of the two streams. Produc- tion will increase in a phased manner to (d) A countrywide survey to determine reach the rated annual capacity of 110 MT/ the population of different species of monkeys yr in about two years. has not been made. However, the population of Rhesus monkeys and Hunuman Monkey population langur was estimated in a few selected districts of the following States in 1980, and the 1260. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE reported figures are as follows :

‘ NO* State No. of No. of No. of districts Rhesus counred Langur counted

1. Rajasthan 5 692 3176

2. Maharashtra 3 • ■ • 1313 3. Jammu and Kashmir 2 45 3 Not available 4. Punjab 3 519 Not available 5. Andhra Pradesh' 3 2295 463 6. Himachal Pradesh 3 695’ 533 7. Gujarat 2 Not available 1075 8. Madhya Pradesh 7 2640 8367 9. Bihar 4 1000 *2076 10. Manipur 1 240 # • • 11. Tripura 1 977 • •• 12. West Bengal 3 254 1157 13. Uttar Pradesh 11 5690 3733 14. Orissa 3 1096 1210 15. Haryana 2 323 62 16. Delhi i(. <1 403 • • • 4? Written Answers NOVEMBER 12. 1986 Written Aruweri 48

Third aircraft carrier for Indiao Navy THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RESEARCH 1261. SHRI SRIBALLAV PANIGRAHI: AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINISTRY Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased OF DEFENCE (SHRI ARUN SINGH) : to state : (a) and (b). It would not be in the pub]ic interest to disclose details in this regard.

(a) 'whether Government are in a position Eucalyptus plantation to design and build tbe Third aircraft carrier « needed to meet the growing requirement of its Navy; 1263. DR. B. L. SHAILESH : Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS be pleased to state : (b) if so, whether naval architects had prepared the drawings of the third aircraft (a) whether the National Wasteland carrier keeping in view particular require- Development Programme has led to a ments of the Indian Navy; mushroom growth of private companies dealing in the controversial eucalyptus plantations (c) whether Government have to depend in the Union Territory of Delhi and the on foreign technology for certain parts or are neighbouring States of Haryana and fully well equipped in this regard; • t Rajasthan;

(d) whether some of our personnel have (b) whether according to the environ- gone abroad for training in this regard; and mentalists, the operations of these firms would jeopardise the entire programme and (e) if so, the details thereof ? go against its basic objectives;

(c) whether the activities of these Com- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE panies besides not helping the poor in any DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RESEARCH manner would render waste, more lands in AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINISTRY the country in the long run; and OF DEFENCE (SHRI ARUN SINGH) : (a) to (c). Tbe Indian Navy have carried out (d) if so, Government’s reaction thereof? certain preliminary design studies for the construction of a suitable indigenous aircraft carrier to replace INS Vikrant in the mid THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 90s. The nature and extent of foreign MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND collaboration in the matter of design and FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : (a) The construction shall be determined on the basis Government is aware that a few private of actual requirements, in due course. companies are promoting Eucalyptus plantations, on the claim of perceived economic (d) No, Sir. benefits from such plantations. (b) A number of environmentalists have (e) Does not arise. been pointing out the ill effects of Eucalyptus plantations. Purchase of USSR made Helicopters (c) No generalisation on the ill effects of Eucalyptus plantations on various kinds of 1262. SHRI R. M. BHOYE : Will the lands in different rainfall conditions can be Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state : attempted at the present stage of scientific data. (a) whether Government have approached the USSR for the purchase of Soviet (d) The Government of India have made MI-26 helicopters; and advised the State Governments to discourage monocultures of species like Eucalyptus, (b) if so, the details regarding their use particularly in drought-prone areas and and cost ? areas occupied by tribal population- Mixed 49 Written Answers KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAK.A) Written Answert 50

plantations, in consultation with and keeping Pradesh Football Association as also from in mind the need of local communities, arc the Andhra Pradesh Athletic Association, advised so that the communities may have suggesting that the construction of a cricket easy access to a rich mix of minor and major stadium on a major portion of the land forest produce. would be detrimental to the overall interest of sports in the State. In the light of these Construction of a sports stadium at representations, the views of the State Hyderabad Government and the AP Sports Council on the proposed construction of the Cricket Stadium were sought on 31-5-1985. In the 1264. SHRI S. PALAKONDRAYUDU:meantime, construction work on the cricket Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased stadium was stopped. to state :

(a) whether there is any proposal pend- The Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh ing with Government for sanction of Defence wrote in August 1985 that if a major portion Ministry land to construct sports stadium at of the land is given away to the Hyderabad Hyderabad in Andhra Pradesh; Cricket Association, the balance, of land that would be available for sports activities would be totally inadequate. He stated that the (b) if so, the details of the proposal and AP Sports Council would construct the the probable date by which a decision will be Cricket Stadium as also provide facilities for taken; and others like football, hockey etc. He, therefore, requested that lease of the land in (c) if an early decision is not likely to question viz. 23.972 acres, should be in be taken, the reasons for the delay ? favour of the APSC,

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Since ] 9.40 acres of land was given to DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RESEARCH the Hyderabad Cricket Association with tfe AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINI- concurrence of the State Government and the STRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI ARUN Andhra Pradesh Sports Council and the lease SINGH) : (a) to (c). An area measuring by the Hyderabad Cricket Association has 18.04 acres of Defence land was leased out been executed, it is for the State Government by the Cantonment Board, Secunderabad, to to resolve the dispute by making suitable the Andhra Pradesh Sports Council (APSC) adjustments between the two Sports bodies. with effect from 25-7-1972 for a period of 30 years on payment of annual rent of Rs. 500/*. Later it was noticed that the APSC Enquiry against corrupt officers in 1986 was under unauthorised occupation of additional 5.932 acres making a total of 23.972 acres. In 1981 the Government of Andhra 1265. SHRI V. SOBHANADREES- Pradesh sponsored the case of grant of WARA RAO : Will the PRIME MINISTER lease to the Hyderabad Cricket Association be pleased to state : for construction of a cricket stadium. It was decided in March 1983 in consultation (a) the total number of Gazetted Officers with the State Government and the APSC to of the Union Government all over the lease out the land measuring 23.972 acres country against whom enquiries were launch- to the Hyderabad Cricket Association (HCA) ed on charges of corruption during the year and the APSC as under ;— 1986;

(a) Hyderabad Cricket (b) number of cases in which the inves- Association (HCA) ... 1 9.40 acres tigations have been completed and cases registered in the courts; and (b) APSC ... 4 572,, (c) number of cases in which punish- Subsequently, representations were recei- ments have been awarded to the officers ved jn the Ministry from the Andhra found guilty ? 51 Written Answers NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Written Answers 52

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Joint Programme on Space, Sciencc MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC . and Technology GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI BIREN SINGH ENGTI) : (a) to (c). In- 1267. SHRI SRIKANTA DATTA formation for 1986 (1.1.86 to 30.9.86) is NARASIMHARAJA WADIYAR : Will as follows the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state :

(a) whether any accord has been signed (i) Number of Gazetted officers involv- between India and Sweden to launch any ed in cases launched by CBI = 729. joint programme on Space, Science and Technology; and (ii) Number of cases sent up for trial on completion of investigation (b) if so, the details thereof ? = 394. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (iii) Number of cases in which punish- MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- ments awarded by courts to those LOGY AND MINISTER OF STATE IN found guilty = 147. THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVE- LOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELEC- TRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI K. R. NARAYANAN) f (a) and (b). A Memo- Annual Plan for 1986-87 randum of Understanding (MOU) on Coope- ration in the field of Space Activities between the Indian Space Research Organisation 1266. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: (ISRO) and the Swedish Board for Space Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased Activities (SBSA) has been signed recently to state *. covering the following areas :

(a) whether the Annual Plan for 1986- (a) mutual utilisation of range, data 87 has been published; reception and telemetry, tracking and Command (TTC) facilities; (b) if not, when it is likely to be published; and (b) remote sensing, including inter-alia (i) studies of the use of satellites (c) the steps taken to publish the Annual for global peace keeping/ Plan for 1987*88 by 31 March, 1987 ? monitoring

(ii) microwave remote sensing THE MINISTER OF STATE * IN THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI SUKH (iii) applications of remote sensing RAM) : (a) Yes, Sir. This was laid on the in the fields of forestry, agri- Table of the House on 7-1-1-1986. culture and the monitoring of the environment; and (b) Does not arise. (c) other selected technology/science elements, which may be decided upon from (c) The Planning Commission is current- time to time by ISRO and SBSA. ly engaged in Annual Plan 1 987-88 discussions with the States and Union Ministries and the Plan outlays so finalised will be Speedy completion of pending projects published in the Union Budget for 1987-88. 1268. PROF. NARAIN CHAND The work relating to the preparation of PARASHAR : Annual Plan 1987-88 document can com- SHRI BHATTAM SRI RAMA mence only after the approval of detailed MURTY : demands lor grants by the Parliament and Will the Minister of PROGRAMME State legislatures. IMPLEMENTATION be pleased to state : s$ Written Answers KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKAj Written Answers 54

(a) whether 134 out of 264 major pro- time of commencement are given in the jects (costing .over Rs. 20 crore each) under- statement given below : taken by the Government have suffered on account of cost over-run and as on 31 (c) The following steps are being taken March, 1986, had been delayed by a period to expedite the implementation of the of 3 to 204 months resulting in heavy delay projects : in their completion in the cost of construc- (i) Preparation of realistic project tion; implementation plans;

(b) the names and other relevant details (ii) Effective monitoring through like the date of sanction, laying of founda- Monthly Flash Report and Quarter- tion stone, commencement of construction ly Status Report Monitoring work, initial target date for completion at System; the time of commencement; and (iii) Constant pressure on project (c) the steps taken/proposed to be taken authorities for expeditious comp- by Government to complete these projects by letion; giving them high priority ? (iv) Inter* Ministerial coordination and interaction; and THE MINISTER OF PROGRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI A. B. A. (v) Close follow-up by concerned GHANI KHAN CHOUDHURY) : (a) Yes, Ministries and project authorities Sir. with State Governments, equipment suppliers, Consultants and other (b) Names, date(s) of approval and concerned agencies to minimise initial target date(s) of completion at the delays.

Statement

Projects behind Schedule as on 31.3.19S6

Sector Name of Project Date of Original date approval of commss’ng

Atomic Energy 1. Narora Atomic Power Project 1/74 12/84 (NAPP) 2. Indian Rare Earch (OSCOM) 3/75 6/80

Civil Aviation 1. Fleet Replacement/Augmentation 12/84 01/87 (Air India) 2. Construction of 5-Star Hotel at 1/79 3/83 JUHU Beach Bobay (397 Rooms)

Chemicals &. Petro- 1. Bi-Component Acrylic Fibre 3/84 5/87 chemicals Expln. (IPCL) 2. Polypropylene-Copolymer Expln. 12/82 10/86 (IPCL) 3. Pheriol/Acctone (HOC) 8/80 6/85 4- Polytetrafluoro Ethylene (HOC) 12/82 6/85 * 55 Written Answers NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Written Ansswen

MjO Energy 1. Block 11 OCP Jharia (BCCL) 6/82 3/87 D/O Coal 2. Monidih UG (BCCL) (RCE) 11/65 3/72 3. Pootki Balihari UG (BCCL) 12/83 3/94 4. Rajniahal OC (ECL) (RCE) 8/80 3/87 5. Amlohri OC (NCL) 6/82 3/90 6. Bina (RPR( (NCL) i/13 3/86 7. Jayant Expn. OC (NCL) 6/83 3/89 8. Kakri OC (NCL) 10/80 3/87 9. Kusumunda OC RCE (SECL) 12/74 3/8 5 10. LTC Coal Gas Complex Dankuni 10/77 9/84 (CIL) 11. 2nd TPS Stage-1 (NLC) 2/78 4/83 12. -do- 2/83 4/89 13. Bhalgora (BCCL) (U/G) 10/80 3/85 14. Damodar OC (BCCL) 3/84 3/89 15. Katras UG (BCCL) 10/79 3/84 16. North Amlahad UG (BCCL) 10/80 3/85 17. Sudamdih (BCCL) (RCE) 12/62 3/71 18. Karkatta OC (CCL) 6/82 3/85 19. Rajrappa OC Ramgarh RPR (CCL) 8/77 3/85 20. Kedla Washcry (CCL) 4/80 3/84 21. Rajrappa Washcry (CCL) 8/77 3/82 22. Amrit Nagar RPR (ECL) 5/76 3/85 23. Satgram (ECL) 5/79 3/89 24. Jhingurdh OC (NCL) 1/77 3/82 25. Workshop Singrauli 2/82 9/86 26. Arnlai OC (SECL) 3/84 3/89 27. Bisrampur OC (SECL) 3/73 3/85 28. DhaDpuri (SECL) 9/79 3/85 29. Ramnagar REC UG (SECL) 10/78 3/86 30. Durgapur OC (WCL) 10/78 3/85 31. Sacner UG (WCL) 8/83 3/92 32. Sasti OC (WCL) 11/81 3/88 33. Godavari Khani 1 1 A (SCCL) 9/83 \ 3/89 34. Ramagundam OCP (SCCL) 7/80 3/85 35. 400KV.Line Si. ] (NCL) 2/33 3/86 • Telecommunications Crossbar Switching Eqpt. Project, 11/80 2/88 Rai Bareli

Fertilizers I. Haldia (HFL) 7/81 • • ♦ 2. Namrup—III (HFC) 5/79 11/83 3. Captivi Power Plant Barauni(HFC) 11/81 12/85 4. Paradeep Fertilizers Project 1/83 11/87 (PPL) Ph. 11 Written Answers KARTIKA 21. 1909 (SARA) Written Answers 58

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Mines 1. Gandhamardan Bauxite Project 7/82 4/83 (BALCO) 2. Captive Power Plant (BALCO) 12/82 8/87 3. Orissa Aluminium Complex 11/80 1/86 (NALCO)

Steel 1. Bokaro-4MT Expn. (SAIL) 3/73 3/77 2. Bokaro CPP (SAIL) 9/78 9/83 3. Bhilai 4MT Expo. (SAIL) 2/78 12/81 4. Rourkela Silicon Steel (SAIL) 11/77 1/81 5. Rourkela CPP (SAIL) 1/81 6/85 6. Durgapur CPP (SAIL) 9/78 6/83 7. ASP Expansion ST. II Durgapur 7/81 1/85 (SAIL) 8.' Durgapur (Moderanisation) 10/84 NA (SAIL) (Ph. I) 9. IISCO Rebuilding 8th Battery Co. 6/83 9/86 (SAIL) 10. IISCO Cbasnala Washcry 6/83 6/87 Balancing (SAIL) 11. Visakhapatnam Steel Project 6/79 7/91 (RINL) 12. Bailadia-II, C (NMDC) 11/80 6/84 13. Bailadila-5 (Fine Ore-Handling) 9/82 3/84

Railways 1. Koraput-Rayagoda Line 8/82 3/87 2. Bhuj-Naliya 81/82 3/87 3. Dharmanagar-Kumarghat 78/79 12/84 4. Ernakulam-Alleppey 79/80 3/84 S. Lalabazar-Bairabi 78/79 3/84 6. Silecbar-Jiribam 78/79 3/84 (.Electrification) 7. Delhi-Mathura-Jhansi 79/80 3/84 8. Jhaosi-Bina-Itarsi 81/82 3/85 9. Gangapurcity-Ratlam 8 i/82 3/85 10. Vijaywada-Kazipet-Balharshah 81/82 3/86 11. Bhusawal-Nagpur 81/82 3/87 12. Vadodara-Ratlam 79/80 3/84 13. Itarsi-Nagpur 82/83 3/91 14. Nagpur-Durg 84/85 3/88 15. Mathura-Gangapur City 81/82 3/85 16. Wardha-Balharshah 82/83 3/87 (Gauge Coversion) 17. Suratgarh-Bikaner 82/83 3/86 Others 18. Calcutta-underground 84/85 12/78 59 Written Answers NOVEMBER l i , 1986 Written Answert 60

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Petroleum & Natural 1. Addl. Product Tankage Ph. I 3/83 3/85 Gas . (IOC) 2. Marketing Facilities for OIL’s 12/81 3/83 LPG (IOC) 3. Captive Power Plant (B^CL) 11/85 5/88 4. Addl. Product Tankage Ph. I 3/83 3/85 (BPCL) 5. Polyeiter Staple Fibre (BRPL) 8/72 12/81 6. Aromatic Project (CRL) 8/84 8/87 7. Accelerated Production Programme, 7/82 3/85 Bombay Offshore Project 8. South Bassein Dev. Ph. I (ONGC) 4/81 5/85 9. L. P. G. Recovery Plant Hazira 5/84 2/87 10. Gas Sweetening Plant Pb. I Hazira 4/84 2/87

11. Large Capacity Computer for 5/85 • • • KDMIPE 12. Regional Computers 5 Nos. 4/85 2/86 (ONGC) 13. Offshore supply vessels-3 3 Nos. 5/83 12/85 (ONGC) * 14. Multi Purpose Support Vessels II 5/83 ' 5/85 (MDL) (ONGC) 15. Drill shop Indegnious from HSL 5/83 3/86 (ONGC)

16. W/O Jack up Rigs 2 Nos. (ONGC) 5/83 • • • 17. Captive Power Plant Assam i(Not app.) (Not app.) (ONGC) 18. Jorojan Dev. Project (OIL) 3/81 9/85 19. Hazira-Bareilly Jagdishpur High 4/84 10/86 Pressure Gas Pipeline Project GIAIL Power ' 1. Rihand (NTPC) 6/82 ■ 6/87 2. Farakka STPP-I (NTPC) ' 3/79 3/86 3. Bokaro *B’ I (DVC) 10/77 4/84 4. Korba-St. I (NTPC) 4/78 9/84 5. Korba-St. II (NTPC) 9/81 3/89 6. Singrauli St. I (NTPC) 7/79 3/86 7. Farakka St. II (NTPC) 9/84 7/91 8. Ramagundam STPP St. I (NTPC) 4/78 12/84 9. Ramagundam STPP St. II (NTPC) 9/81 3/90 10. Bokaro 'B* II (DVC) 6/81 10/85 61 Written Answers KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Written Answers 62

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11. Kopili 1 & 2 (NEEPCO) 3/75 12/82 12. Salal 1, 2 & 3 (NHPC) HE 3/70 6/79 (I) 13. Chamcra HEP (NHPC) 4/84 3/90 14. Singrauli Tr. Lines St. II (NTPC) 7/79 12/84 15. Ramagundam Tr. Lines St. I 1/81 10/87 (NTPC) 16. Farakka Tr. Lines St. II (NTPC) 9/84 3/91 17. Kahalgaon Tr. Lines St. I (NTPC) 9/84 3/90 18. Korba Tr. Lines St. I (NTPC) 4/^8 1/85 19. Chukha Tr. Lines (NHPC) 11/81 3/85 20. Jeypore-Talchar Tr. Lines (400KV) 12/83 3/87

Public Enterprises 1. Cachar Paper Project HPC 3/77 4/86 2. Nowgong Paper Project HPC 3/77 12/80 3. Manufacture of Passenger 9/82 3/87 Vehicles (MUL) 4. Neemuch cement Project 4/81 4/86 5. Yerraguntala Cement Project 4/81 9/86 (Expn.) 6. Tandur Cement Project (CCL) 8/80 12/85

Transport Surface 1. Nhava Sheva Port Project 6/82 12/87 2. Acquisition of 12 Bulk Carriers 12/83 1/87 of 45000 DWT (SCL) 3. Cochin Integrated Dev. Project/ 7/80 9/83 Fertilizer Berth Fert. Handling equipment 4. Vizag-Oil berth 10/8 2 4/84 5. Madras Deepening of Bharathi Dock 3/84 11/85 6. Madras Second Oil Jetty 3/84 11/85 7. Haldia Project 2nd Oil Jetty 2/86 2/89

Crash of Naval aircraft (c) the result of the inquiry made by Government into the mishap; and 1269. SHRI MOHD. MAHFOOZ ALI KHAN : Will the Minister of DEFENCE (d) whether the missing crew has since be pleased to state : been found ?

(a) whether a Naval aircraft crashed into THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE sea of Goa recently during a routine training DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RESEARCH sortie and that its crew has been missing; AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINIS- TRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI ARUN (b) if so, the details thereof; SINGH) : (a) to (d). An Alize aircraft, 63 Written Answers NOVEMBER 12. 1986 Written Answers 64 which was airborne for a training sortie from Plahning Commission and the States, the Dabolim airport, crashed into the sea on the Deputy Chairman had addressed the Chief 25th September, 1986, about two miles Ministers in March, 1986 proposing to hold from Cai&ngute Beach. The crew consisted a series of meetings on a regional basis to of three members and their bodies were go into some of the aspects of macro level recovered from the wreckage of the aircraft planning, consultation, interaction with the on 3Qth September, 1986 and 1st October, States etc. One of the subjects proposed to 1986 respectively A Board of Inquiry be discussed in the meeting was the planning ordered by Naval Headquarters is in process and methodology of drawing up the * progress. Five Year Plans and the Annual Plans.

While reacting to this item some Chief Construction of ENU strategic basin Ministers also made suggestions in regard to at Visakhapatnam the constitution and functions of the Plan- ning Commfssion as also the role and func- 1270. SHRI MANIK REDDY : Will tioning of the National Development the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to Council. state : (c) The suggestions made by the Chief (a) whether his Ministry has approved Ministers are being examined. the construction of ENU Strategic Basin at Visakhapatnam in Andhra Pradash; and Premature retirement of officers of All India Services and Central (b) if so, the details of the plan and the Services amount sanctioned therefor ? 1272 SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE states : RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI (a) the particulars of officers of various ARUN SINGH) : (a) No, Sir. All India Services and Central Services who were allowed to retire prematurely since (b) Does not arise. January 1985, with the last post held by each of them; Structural changes io Planning Commission and National (b) the particulars of officers whose Development Council requests for premature retirement were refused or are pending for decision; and 1271. SHRI PRAKASH V. PAT1L : Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased (c) whether any such retiring officers to state : ■ weie subsequently employed by Government in any capacity ? (a) whether some State Governments have suggested a structural change in the THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Planning Commission and in the National MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC Development Council; GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI BIREN SINGH ENGTI) : (a) and (b). lb) if so, details thereof; and Under the All India Services (DCRB) Rules, 1958, a member of an All India Service who (c) Government’s reaction in this is eligible to seek voluntary retirement from regard ? service is required to give 3 months previous notice in writing to the State Government THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE on whose cadre he is borne. Retirement MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI SUKH from service on the expiry of the period of RAM ): (a) and (b). As part of the process notice is automatic. However, if the officer of fostering a continuing dialogue between is under suspension or the date of retire- 65 Written Answers KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Written Answers 66

ment on the expiry of the period of notice (Pension) Rules, 1972, are exercised by the falls before the date on which the officer various Ministries Departments of the is due to attain the age of 50 years or Government of India. Hence information complete 30 years of qualifying services, about officers of Central Services volunta- sanction of the State Government concerned rily retired from service is not available is necessary for the retirement of the officer. centrally. As such the information about offices whose requests were refused or are pending is not (c) Re-employment of retired Civil available centrally. However, the information servants under the Central Government is available with this Ministry about All India being made by the administrative Ministry/ Service Officers voluntarily retired sinee Department concerned. Similarly State January 1985, is given in the Statement Government is competent to re-employ a annexed. pensioner under them. Hence information about retired Civil servants re-employed 2* In the case of officers of Central under Government is not readily available Services powers of Government under FR centrally. 56 and rules 48 and 48A of the CCS Statement

Particulars o f All India Services officers voluntarily retired from service since January, 1985.

Name of officer State Cadre Service to which Designation of post belonged held at the time of retirement.

1. Shri R. S. Misra Maharashtra IAS Not available. 2. Shri S. L. Dadu Madhya Pradesh IAS Director, Harijan Wel- M fare, Govt, of Madhya Pradesh. 3. Shri B. P. R. Vittal Andhra Pradesh IAS Dy. Chairman, State Dev. Board, Finance and Planning Department. 4. Shri A. F. Couto Bihar IAS On deputation to Com- monwealth State. 5. Shri N. N. Tandon Madhya Pradesh IAS On deputation with UNIDO 6. Shri V. Srinivasan Maharashtra IAS Not available. 7. Shri A. J. S. Sodhi Bihar IAS On deputation to with World Bank. 8. Shri C. N. Penn West Bengal IAS Not available. Anthony 9. Shri S. K. Sudhakar Punjab IAS Joint Secretary, Ministry of Health and Family Welfare. 10. Shri A. K. Chandra Madhya Pradesh IAS M. D. M. P. Laghu Udyog Nigam Ltd., Bhopal. 11. Shri M. Subramaniam Maharashtra IAS Secretary, Ministry of Agriculture (On leave). 12. Shri B. N. Garudachar Karnataka IPS Director General and Inspector General of Police. 13. ShriR. N. Kaul Union Territories IFS Not available. 67 Written Answers NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Written Answers 68

[Translation] (c) The Board has submitted a proposal for further special grant-in-aid of Rs. 2,93,367/- Construction of roads and drains by for repair of roads. The repair of Dana pur Cantonment Board tbe remaining roads is planned to be taken up during the year 1987-88. 1273. SHRI KALI PRASAD PANDEY: Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased [English] to state : Rehabilitation of ex-servicemen in (a) whether Danapur Cantonment Board Andhra Pradesh has passed resolution and made budget allocations for construction of roads and 1274. SHRI KATURI NARAYANA drains (Lai Kothi Lane Ward No. 5) a number of times since 1979 but the condi- SWAMY : Will the Minister of DEFENCE tion of these roads and drains which were be pleased to state : badly damaged during 1975-76 floods remains what it was earlier; (a) the number of ex-servicemen rehabilitated in Andhra Pradesh since 1983; (b) whether there is any proposal with (b) the details of roads and drains of the Union Government to allot house sites/ this area which have been constructed from agricultural lands to ex-servicemen/war January to 31st October, 1986 and the widows; and details of expenditure incurred on each of them; and (c) if so, the details of the proposal and the amount proposed to be spent on the (c) whether the portions of road behind scheme/proposals ? Danapur Hospital (Lai Kothi Ward No. 5) from Math to Anand Bazar Mosque and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN from Hathikhana to Math in Harijan Ward THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE No. 6 are not being constructed even though RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT IN the road was damaged at several points THE MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI during the 1975-76 floods and if so, the ARUN SINGH) : (a) During the period time by which these portions of road will be from 1983, to June 1986, 2133 ex servicemen repaired ? have been rehabilitated in Andhra Pradesh.

(b) There is no such proposal. Allotment THE MINISTER OF STATE IN of house sites/agricultural lands to ex- THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE servicemen/war widows falls within the RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT IN purview of the State Governments. THE MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI ARUN SINGH) : (a) The Board after (c) Does not arise. passing the resolution in 1979 requested for special grant-in-aid of Rs. 17,21,200/* for repairs of flood affected roads during 1979-80. Environmental clearance to Special grant-in-aid of Rs. 7,31,000/- irrigation projects was sanctioned in February, 1980. The Lai Kothi road from Bus Stand to 1275. SHRIMATI USHA CHOUDHA- Hospital was repaired and completed. RI : Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS be pleased to state : (b) Special grant-in-aid of Rs. 2,86,327 was sanctioned to the Cantonment (a) the major irrigation projects cleared Board in January, 1986 for repair of roads. by the Ministry from the environmental The amount has been deposited by the Board angle during the last one year; and with the MES as a deposit work. The work is expected to be completed by March, (b) the steps taken for compensatory 1987. Rs 6, 000/- have also been spent afforestation as a consequence of areas on repairs to drains in Lai Kohi area. affected ? 69 Written Answer KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Written Answers 70

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN conservation, Biosphere Reserves, national THE MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT parks and sanctuaries and preservation of AND FORESTS (SHRI Z. R ANSARI) : endangered species of fauna and flora. (a) Three major irrigation projects namely, Kanpur Irrigation Project, Orissa; Talamba Allotment for wild life protection in Irrigation Project, Maharashtra; and Warna Kerala Irrigation Project, Maharashtra have been m approved from the environmental angle since January, 1985. 1277. SHRI VAKKOM PURUSHO- THAMAN : Will the Minister of ENVIRON- (b) None of these projects ha* yet beenMENT AND FORESTS be pleased to state : referred to the Department of Environment and Forests for diversion of forest land (a) the total allotment for wild life pro- under the Forest (Conservation) Act, 1980. tection in Kerala in the Seventh Five year Compensatory afforestation is insisted on Plan; and before approving diversion of forest areas. The environmental clearance stipulates, that (b) the amount released so far for the an area equivalent to the land going under same ? submergence should be acquired for raising irrigated plantations by the project authori- MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ties. MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : (a) As per the report of the State Planning Board, National Conservation Strategy Government of Kerala, the Seventh Plan Outlay (1985-90) for wild life protection is 1276. SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMA-Rs. 595.00 lakhs. CHANDRAN : Will the Minister of ENVI- RONMENT AND FORESTS be pleased to (b) Tbe amount released so far by the state : Central Government in the Seventh Plan under the Centrally sponsored schemes for (a) whether Union Government intend wild life protection in Kerala, is Rs. 19.15 to introduce a National Conservation Stra- lakhs. tegy; and

(b) if so, details thereof? Action against communal elements

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1278. DR. V. VENKATESH : Will the MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : (a) and state : (b). Though there is no formally documented national conservation strategy, all the (a) whether* any stern action has been elements of such a strategy are there and taken against the communal elements in are being acted upon. Conservation of our Delhi inciting the local population and mig- natural resources—water, air, soil, plant life rants f/om Punjab; and animal life is the objective. This is implemented through legislative measures (b) whether security measures have been such as Environmental (Protection) Act, tightened up; and Water and Air (Prevention and .Control of Pollution) Acts, Forest (Conservation) Act (c) if so, details thereof ? and wild Life Protection Act. The institu- tional mechanism includes the departments THE MINISTER OF STATE IN of Environment, Forests and Wildlife of the THE MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL PUBLIC Central and State Governments, the Pollu- GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND tion Control Boards, the National Land m i n i s t e r o f s t a t e in t h e m i n i s t r y Use and Conservation Board, the Botanical OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI p . CHIDAM- Survey of India and the Zoological Survey BARAM) : (a) Yes Sir. of India. The methodology adopted include measures such as pollution control, soil (b) Yes Sir, Written Answerj NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Written Answer*

(2) Foot and mobile patrolling has 1280. SHRIMATI MADHUREE been intensified. SINGH : Will the Minister of WELFARE be pleased to state : (3) The beat patrolling has been made more effective. (a) whether a workshop on the problems of the aged was held in New Delhi in (4) Proper briefing is given to the staff to handle all communal September, 1986; and situations firmly. (b) if so, details of deliberations held (5) The number of PCR Vans have and reaction of Government thereto ? been increased. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (6) Peace Committees have been MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI formed. GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a> No Sir, the Government is not aware of such a (7) As and when tliere is any appre- Workshop. hension of any communal tension, extra force is deployed for pat- (b) Does not arise. rolling the sensitive areas.

Freight equalisation system Atrocities on Scheduled Castes 1281. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : 1279. SHRI SANAT KUMARWill the Minister of PLANNING be pleased MANDAL : Will the Minister of WELFARE to state : be pleased to state : (a) whether Government have taken any (a) whether Government propose to final decision for the abolition of the Freight review the implementation of Central guide- Equalisation System in the country; lines by the States in view of the increasing ■s. atrocities on Scheduled Castes and Scheduled (b) if so, when the same is going to be Tribes in different parts of the country; implemented; and

(c) if not, the reasons therefor ? (b) if so, the details thereof; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) whether it is proposed to have a MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI SUKH separate Ministry to look after these sections RAM) : (a) tp (c). The Government have of the society ? accepted in principle the recommendation made by the National Transport Policy THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Committee (Pande Committee) to phase out MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI g actually the existing freight equalisation in GIR1DHAR GOMANGO) : iaj and (b). respect of commodities like cement and steel, Review of guidelines for dealing with atro- subject to subsidisation of transport for cities on Scheduled Castes/Scheduled Tribes remote, inaccessible and isolated areas. is a continuous process in the light of the Implementation of the decision in respect of experience gained from time to time. The cement is the concern of the Department of last comprehensive guidelines were issued in Industrial Development and that in respect April, 1 985. of Iron and Steel, of the Department of Steel. (c) There is at present no proposal to set up another separate Ministry exclusively As regards steel the Government have for the welfare of Scheduled Castes and since reviewed the earlier decision in the light Scheduled Tribes. of the representations received from various 73 Written Answers KART1KA 21,1908 (SAKA) Written Answers 74

State Governments and have decided to refer (2) Shri S. P. Acharya, ... Member the matter to the National Development Chairman, Shaw Council. Regarding cement, with the intro- Wallace and Co., duction of the scheme of partial de-control of Calcutta. cement with effect from 28-2-1982, the phasing out of freight equalisation scheme (3) Shri A. K. Khosla, ... Member has commenced. Freight equalisation operates Chairman, G. E. C. only in respect of levy portion of sale of • Group of Companies cement, which has been progressively reduced Nehru Place, As the abolition of freight equalisation scheme New Delhi. at one go would create problems of supply of this commodity to certain difficult and (4) Shri Dhruv Sawhney, Member inaccessible areas etc. the Department of President Triveni Industrial Development have expressed the Engineering Works view that phasing out of freight equalisation Ltd. Kasturba will not be desirable at the present juncture. Gandhi Marg, New Delhi.

Construction of National Advisory (5) Dr. Parvinder Singh ... Member Council Managing Director Ranbaxy Labora- tories Limited, 1282. SHRI BHATTAM SRI RAMA New Delhi. MURTY : Will the Minister of PRO- GRAMME IMPLEMENTATION be pleased (6) Dr. M, B, Athreya, Member to state : Management Adviser Athreya Management (a) whether a National Advisory Council Systems, New Delhi. was constituted to improve the performance of Public Sector Enterprises; and The members listed from serial (1) to (5) are eminent persons having valuable . (b) if so, the names of Chairman and experience of successfully managing industrial members of the Council and their back- enterprises. Member at serial No. (6) is an ground ? academician of repute and an internationally recognised expert in the h«ld of management. THE MINISTER OF PROGRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI A. B. A. Setting up of disaster warning centres GHANI KHAN CHOUDHURY) : (a) The in the coastal areas Government have constituted Advisory Council on Project Implementation for assist- 1283. SHRI MOHANBHAI PATEL : ing the Ministry of Programme Implementa- Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to tion in tackliog major issues concerning pro- state : ject implementation. The Council is an advisory body. In particular, the Council will advise (a) the number of disaster warning the Ministry of Programme Implementation centres being set up in tbe coastal areas of on (a) improvement in project implementa- the country; tion systems and (b) organisational development. (b) whether Gujarat Government has requested the Union Government to set up 30 disaster warning centres in the coastal (b) Names of Chairman and the Members areas of Saurashtra in Gujarat; and of the Council are listed below : (c) if so, the number of such centres (1) Shri Ratan N. Tata, Chairman established so far ? Chairman Tata In- dustries Limited, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Bombay. MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- 75 Written A a w n NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Written Answers 16

LOGY AND M INISiEa OF STATE IN DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVE- TRIPATHI : LOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELEC- TRONIC AND SPACE (SHRI K. R. Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS NARAYANAN) : (a> A Disaster Warning be pleased to state : System comprising 100 Disaster Warning Centres has been set up in tbe coastal areas (a) whether the attention of Government of Andhra Pradesh and Tamil Nadu on an has been drawn to a news item captioned experimental basis. * “Need to curb Pak infiltration in Kutch” as reported in Indian Express dated 15 (b) Yes, Sir. October, 1986; (b) whether Government are aware that (c) No Disaster Warning Centre has been Kutch and Jamnagar in Gujarat state has established so far in Gujarat, Decision on the become main transit point for Pakistani request of Gujarat Government, will be taken nationals; and after successful trial of the experimental system in Andhra Pradesh and Tamil Nadu (c) if so, steps Government have taken/ and the details will be worked out at that propose to take to stop infiltration of time. Pakistani nationals from Kutch and Jamnagar border areas in Gujarat ?, Use of computer to monitor whereabouts of foreigners THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC 1284. SHRI A. J. V. B. MAHESWARAGRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND RAO : Will the Minister of HOME MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY AFFAIRS be pleased to state : OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P. CHIDAM- BARAM): (a) and (b). Government is aware (a) whether Government propose to make of some infiltration from Pakistan across use of computers to monitor the whereabouts Gujarat border. The security forces are on of foreigners staying in Delhi; alert and are taking appropriate steps for preventing infiltration. Government have no- (b) if so, the details thereof; and information that there is any large scale infiltration. (c) whether similar arrangements are proposed at other metropolitan cities also (c) The security forces on the border are to monitor the whereabouts of the on constant vigil. Measures have also been foreigners ? taken for increasing surveillance on the border. THE MINISTER OF STATE JN THE MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC Counting of service in armed forces GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND for selection to IAS/IPS from MINISTER OF STATE IN THE state services MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) and (b). The 1286. SHRI HARI KRISHNA registration record of foreigners in Delhi has SHASTRI : Will the PRIME MINISTER be been computerised. pleased to state :

(c) No such proposal is under consi- (a) whether service rendered in the armed deration. forces is also counted in tbe total service for the purpose of making selections to l.A.S. and I.P.S. from among State Service Infiltration of Pakistani nationals Officers; and from Kutch and Jamnagar border areas in Gajarat (b) if so, details thereof ?

1285. SHRI MUKUL WASNIK : THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 3HRI BANWARI LAL PUkOHIT: MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC 77 m itten Answers KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Written Answers 78

GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI the complaints received by them, it was BIREN SINGH ENGT1) : (a) Yes, Sir. found that in about 40 cases nominations for the appointment to the post of Lower (b) Under ihe IAS/IPS (Appointment byDivision Clerk were made fradulently. After Promotion) Regulations, a member of the collecting the relevant evidence and material, State Civii/PoJice Service is eligible to be a FIR was lodged with the C.B.I. to con- considered for promotion to Indian Adminis- duct detailed investigation which is in pro- trative Service/IndT&n Police Service if he is gress. Three officials—one Section Officer, holding a substantive post in the State one Assistant and a Key Punch Operator— Service and has completed not less than 8 have been arrested. No I.A S. Officer is years of continuous service (whether officiat- involved. The services of wrongly recruited ing or substantive) in the post of Dy. persons have been terminated. Collector/Dy. Superintendent of Police'or in Pollution caused by iron foundaries any other post equivalent thereof. These Regulations were amended in 1978 to pro- to Taj Mahal vide that in respect of any release

Malpractices in recruitment of LDCs (b) whether Union Government propose through Staff Selection Commission to take steps for shifting all these foundaries around Taj Mahal; and 1287. SHRI BHARAT KUMAR ODEDRA : Will the PRIME MINISTER (c) if not, the reason therefor ? be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether C. B. I. has investigated re- MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND cently a case regarding malpractices in re- FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : (a) The cruitment of Lower Division Clerks through Committe identified 250 iron foundries as Staff Selection Commission;. one of tbe main sources of pollution around the Taj Mahal which use 200 to 300 tonnes (b) if so, the details thereof and whether of coal per day. it is also a fact that some l.A.S. Officers are also involved in those malpractices; and (b) No, Sir.

(c) action taken against Officers con- (c) The foundries have been directed to cerned and the fate of wrongly recruited control their emissions and regulate the persons ? operations during certain periods in winter months. Schemes have also been taken for THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE improving the design of cupolas and thereby MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC reducing the emissions. GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI BIREN SINGH ENGTI) : (a) Yes, Sir. Candidates from Karnataka In IAS/ IPS/IFS examinations (b) and (c). As a result of enquiries made by the Staff Selection Commission into 1289. SHRI V. S KRISHNA IYER; 79 Written Answer* NOVEMBER 12. 1986 Written Answers 80

Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to not yet been made. As regards I.F.S. Exa- state : mination. all the six candidates have been appointed to the Indian Forest Scrvice. (a) total number of candidates appeared for IAS, and IPS and 1FS Examinations (d) The candidates appointed/allotted to from Karnataka Centre during 1985; the l.A.S, I.P.S. and I.F.S. are presently undergoing training at their respective (b) number of candidates selected out of training institutions at Mussoorie and them; Dcbradun.

(d) how many of them are posted in 1290. SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH : Karnataka ? Will the Minister of DEFENCE be 'pleased to state : THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (a) whether the engineering industry of MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC the country has sufficient. sophistication in GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI house research and development capabilities BIREN SINGH ENGTI) : (a) The recruit- to cater to the need of defence forces; ment to IAS, IPS and various Central Services is made through the Civil Services Examination which comprises two successive (b) if so, details thereof with Govern- stages, namely, Civil Services (Preliminary) ment’s method of assessing such capabilities; Examination anj (Main) Examination. For and the Civil Services (Preliminary) Examination, 1985, there were two centres in Karnataka — (c) measures to protect the ‘classified’ one at Bangalore and other at Dharwar. item from getting exposed through such pri- 3039 and 906 candidates appeared at vate units ? Bangalore and Dharwar centres respectively. Out of these, 204 caodidates from Bangalore THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and 44 candidates from Dharwar centres DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE PRODUC- qualified for admission to the Main Exa- TION AND SUPPLIES IN THE MINISTRY mination. 234 candidates appeared at the OF DEFENCE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : Main Examination, which was conducted (a) and (b). Many units in the engineering only at Bangalore centre. industry have in house R&D facilities to take on development of sophisticated Defence The recruitment to the Indian Forest stores. However, exact data on such facilities Service is made through a separate examina- for the whole industry are not available. tion, namely, Indian Forest Service Examina- Prior to placement of developmental tion, 324 candidates appeared at Bangalore defence contracts for new items, evalua- centre in 1985. tion of the capabilities of the selected source(s) is done as per prescribed procedure (b) The Union Public Service Commis- in ths regard through the Defence Quality lion have recommended the appointment of Assurance Agencies. 17 candidates on the results of Civil Services Examination, 1985 and 6 candidates on the (c) There are suitable provisions to results of Indian Forest Service Examination, safeguard the security requirements. 1985.

(c) Out of 17 candidates from Civil Conference on Economies of Ecological Services Examination, three candidates have development been allotted and appointed to the I A.S. and two candidates provisionally allotted to 1291. SHRI KRISHNA SINGH : Will the Indian Police Service. The final allot- the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND ment and appointment to the I.P.S. has FORESTS be pleased to state ; 81 Written Answers KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Written Answen 82

(a) whether a two-day conference on the (a) the latest position about the proposal Economics of Ecological Development was to issue identity cards for people living in held on October 7-8, 1986 in New Delhi; border areas, particularly on the Northern and borders of Punjab, with a view to check effectively illegal entry of anti-nationals and (b) if so, the specific items discussed at terrorist elements; and the conference and the outcome of the discussions ? (b) if so, when the system is proposed to be introduced ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : (a) Yes, MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Sir. CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI): (a) and (b). A pilot scheme for issue of identity cards in Vb) It is understood from the organisers four selected lehsils in four border districts that the seminar stressed the need for proof Rajasthan has been approved and is in viding understanding of the interface between the process of implementation by tbe State economics and ecology. The seminar recom- Government. The State Governments of mended the introduction of an extended be- Punjab and Gujarat have been advised to nefit-cost analysis taking longer time horizons consider preparation of similar pilot schemes. and more diverse links into consideration.

Hardship to Ivory carving dealers Proposal to Computerise Ordnance Depots 1 294. PROF. K. V. THOMAS : Will 1292. SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND MALIK : FORESTS be pleased to stale : SHRI SUBHASH YADAV : (a) whether Government are aware that Will the Minister of DEFENCE be Wildlife (Protection) Amendment Act, 1986 pleased to state : has caused undue hardship to ivory carving dealers; and (a) whether Government propose to computerise Ordnancc Depots in the country; (b) if so, whether the period of disposal of ivory carvings will be extended to one (b) if so, the names of the Ordnance year from the date of coming into force of Depots which are likely to be computerised; tbe said Act. and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) funds allocated fcr ihe purpose ? MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS (SHRI Z. R ANSARI) : (a) No, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Sir. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RE- SEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE (b) No, S:r. MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI ARUN SINGH) : (a) to (c). It is proposed to computerise the Ordnance Depots in a Schools for children of army personnel phased manner. 1295. S M. GURADDI : Will the Minis- ter of DEFENCE be pleased to state : Identity cards for people living in border areas (a) the number of schools being managed 1293. SHRI UTTAM RATHOD : by his Ministry for the children of army SHRI R. M. BHOYE : personnel in the country;

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS (b) the guidelines for the selection/ be pleased to state ; admission of tbe children in these schools; 83 Written Answert NOVEMBER 12, 1986Written Answers84

(c) whether besides the children of army LOGY AND MINISTER OF STATE IN personnel/children of non-army personnel THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVE- are being admitted in these schools; and LOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELEC- TRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI K. R. (d) if so, whether it is a fact that several NARAYANAN) : (a) No Sir. At present, children were refused admission in the Ajmer there are over 900 in-house R & D units Military School-Ajmer recently ? recognised by the Ministry of Science and technology (Department of Scientific and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Industrial Research) under their recognition DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RESEARCH scheme. During 1985, these units had incur- AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINIS- red over Rs. 500.00 crores on industrial TRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI ARUN research. During the year 1982-83, the SINGH) : (a) to (c). There are five Military investment by industrial sector on R & D Schools one each at Chail, Ajmer, Belgaum, was of the order of 23 per cent of the total Bangalore and Dholpur, established for the investment in R & D at national level. purpose of providing education to the sons This order of expenditure on industrial of JCOs and ORs in the Army and equiva- research is significant for a developing lents in the other two services. In these country. schools, 67 per cent of the boarder seats are reserved for the children of UCOs, ORS and (b) and (c). Government has stressed the equivalent. Of the remaining 33 per cent need to develop indigenous technology, seats, 20 per cent are allotted to the sons of efficient absorption and adaptation of impor- Service Officers and 13 per cent to the sons ted technology appropriate to national prio- of civilians. Admission to tl'ese schools is on rities and resources and evaluation of existing the basis of merit as evidenced in a written technologies to realise maximum benefits in admission test and interview. terms of increased production and lower * cost. Several, fiscal incentives have also been fd) No case of an eligible boy who was provided from time to time, in order to in the merit list and was denied admission encourage scientific research in the country. to Ajmer Military School has come to These incentives, inter-alia include enhanced Government’s notice. investment allowance on the investment made for commercialising indigenous technology, 100 per cent tax rebate on the expenditure Need to increase outlay on R & D incurred on R & D, delicensing of the in industries indigenous technology, import of raw material, equipments etc. for scientific 1296. PROF. P. J. KUR1AN : research by the recognised In-house R & D SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA : Units.

Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : Separate fleet of aircrafts for transport of Central Police Forces (a) whether the percentage of outlay spent for research and development by the 1 297. SHRI MURLIDHAR MANE : industrial sector in our country is very neg- SHRI GURUDAS KAMAT : ligible in comparison to the other developing and developed countries; Will tbe Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state : fb) whether Government have given instructions to the industrial sector to spend (a) whether a proposal to have a separate more on research and development so as to fleet of aircrafts under the Ministry of Home produce better product at lower cosi; and Affairs for transportation of Central Police Forces is under consideration of the Govern- (c) if so, the details thereof ? ment;

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if so, the details thereof together MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- with the financial implications; and 85 Written Answers ttARTlKA 2 l. i908 (SAKA) Written Answers 6Z

(c) if not, how does the Governmentunder the Land Acquisition Act has been propose to meet situations when sudden and issued by the Government of Karnataka. immediate transportation of Central Police Forces becomes necessary ? (c) The Government of Karnataka is formulating plans for the rehabilitatibn of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tbe people likely to be displaced, MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND (d) A sum of Rs. 7.356 crores for MINISTER OF STATE IN . THE MINIS- rehabilitation is proposed to be given to TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P. Karnataka Government as a lump sum grant CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) to (c). The fleet in during the current financial year. Air-wing of the Border Security Force already functions as the common air pool Aircraft engine testing centre at for the Central Police Forces. There is no Hyderabad proposal to set up any other fleet. Supple- mentary flying effort, as and when needed, is arranged through Indian Air Force or 1299. SHRI V. TULSIRAM : Will the Indian Airlines. Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government propose to set Naval base at Karwar, Karnataka up a new aircraft engine testing centre at Hyderabad on the pattern of tbe one which 1298. SHRI H. M. PATEL : is at Bangalore to lessen the load of work SHRI G. DEVARAYA NAIK : there; SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK : SHRI E. AYYAPPU REDDY : (b) if so, the details thereof and whether the scheme has been finally approved; and Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state : (c) if so, when the centre is expected to be set up and if not, the reasons therefor ? (a) whether Union Government have dccided for the construction of a major • THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE naval base at Karwar, in Northern DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RESEARCH Karnataka; AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINIS- TRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI ARUN (b) if so, whether any survey has been SINGH) : (a) There is no proposal at present conducted in this regard; to set up a new Aircraft Engine Testing Centre at Hyderabad. (c) steps taken to rehabilitate the people likely to be displaced; and (b) and (c). Do hot arise.

(d) the details regarding the plan along- Functioning of nuclcar power plants with allocation of funds for the rehabilitation and other purposes for the years 1986- 87 and 1987-88 ? 1300. PROF. RAMKRISHNA MORE : Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE state : DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINIS- (a) whether almost all the existing TRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI ARUN nuclcar power plants in the country arc SINGH) > (a) Yes, Sir. continuously facing trouble and that with the ongoing plants running behind schedule there (b) Preliminary survey of the site hash likely to be a massive shortfall in nuclear been carried out. Detailed survey prepara- power target set for 2000 AD; tory to the taking over of State Government land and acquisition of private land will (b) if so, the major factors identified for commence shortly for which the notification the unsatisfactory performance of ihe nuclear 87 Written Answers NOVEMBER 12, 198« Written Answers 8 8 power plants in the country stating the currently estimated to cost Rs. 537.84 crores present percentage of their production as as against the latest sanctioned cost of Rs. against the capacity; 399.64 crores. Out of this increase of Rs. 138.20 crores, an amount of Rs. 40.55 (c) what are the constraints in the crores is due to escalation, Rs. 1318 crores completion of the ongoing nuclear power due to taxes and duties and the rest of the plants stating the period by which each of increase is due to various design changes and the plant has been delayed and the estimated im plem ents carried out in order to meet cost escalation as a consequence thereof; and current safety standards and to achieve improved performance. Work on Kakrapar (d) the steps contemplated by Govern- Atomic Power Project is progressing as per ment to remove the constraints to achieve schedule. the nuclear power target by 2000 AD ? (d) In addition to standardisation of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE designs of 23 5 MWe units, batch ordering of MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- major equipment and progress achieved in LOGY AND MINISTER OF STATE IN design of a standardised 500 MWe unit, the THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVE- Nuclear Power Board is proposed to be LOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELEC- restructured into a Public Sector Institutions TRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI K. R. to enable it to raise funds from the public NARAYANAN) : (a) and (b). The two units for tbe nuclear power programme. of Tarapur Atomic Power Station and Rajas- than Atomic Power Station Unit-11 are operating satisfactorily. Rajasthan Atomic Mazagon Dock Limited Power Station Unit-I is not operating owing to development of cracks in its south end 1301. SHRI GURUDAS KAMAT : shield. After initial satisfactory operation, Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased both units of Madras Atomic Power Station to refer to the reply given to Unstarred faced problems connected with conventional Question No. 2475 on 12th March 1986 equipment such as turbo-generator vibrations regarding irregularities in Mazagon Dock, and transformer failure, which have however Bombay and state : now been overcome. In addition, Madras Atomic Power Station Unit-II encountered a (a) the progress made regarding investi- problem with its fuel transfer system which gations against the officers of Mazagon Dock has been attended to. Both the units are now Limited suspended in the recent past; and operational. Given adequate financial inputs, it is feasible to achieve the target of 10,000 (b) whether the situation has improved MWe set for the year 2000 A. D. The with the appointment of a new Chairman ? capacity factors (percentage of production against the capacity) for different units THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE during the year 1986 (January to October) DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE PRODUC- are given below : TION AND SUPPLIES IN THE MINIS- TRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. Unit Capacity PATIL) : (a) Pilferage of offshore stores Factor (%) f. om Anik Chembur Godown was imme- dtaiely reported to the Senior Inspector of T arapur Unit-1 86 Police, Chembur Police Station, for necessary Unit-2 52 investigations. Investigation by the Police Rajasthan Unit-2 68 has not been completed. Meanwhile, the Police has recovered part of the stolen items. Madras Unit-1 40 Unit-2 42 Mazagon Dock Limited bad also appointed a Board of Enquiry to investigate into (c) Narora Atomic Power Project isthis pilferage. Pursuant to the report of the delayed by about 15 months from the Board of Enquiry, although no officer was approved target date due to delay in the suspended, Deputy General Manager (Mate- delivery of steam generators. The project is rials) was censured for negligence in the 89 Written Answers KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Written Answers 90 performance of his duties and the Chief (b) if so, the number of children kid- Security Officer was warned to be more care- napped during the past one year; ful in future about security arrangements. (c) whether any action has been taken (b) New Management has taken variousby the Government to check it; and corrective measures and initiated various other steps in order to improve the overall (d) if so, the details thereof and the performance of the Company. A Task Force results achieved so far ? under the chairmanship of new Chairman- cum-Managing Director, Mazagon Dock Limited is also presently going into the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE various aspects of the Company’s operations MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC in order to make suitable recommendations GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND in specific areas in order to improve pro- MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY ductivity and profitability of the Company. OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P. CHIDAM- BARAM): (a) No such gang has come to the notice of Delhi Police. [Translation] t (b) During the year, 1985, 684 kid- More powers to the members of napping cases were reported to the Delhi cantonment Boards Police. During the currcnt year (upto 31.10.1986), 441 such cases were reported. 1302. SHRI SHANTI DHAR1WAL: But, there has not been any gang behind Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased these kidnappings. to state : (c) and (d). Watch is kept on suspicious (a) whether Government have received characters and intelligence is collected in this any memorandum from the members of a regard. number of cantonment Boards in the country asking for more powers to them in the public interest; and Launching of technology mission to combat hunger and poverty (b) if so, the reaction of the Govern- ment thereon ? 1304. SHRI C. MADHAV REDDI : Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE state : DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RESEARCH AND DEVELPOMENT IN THE MINISTRY (a) what are the technology missions OF DEFENCE (SHRI ARUN SINGH) : (a) launched during the last 2 years using new No, Sir. technological expertise to fight hunger and poverty in the country; and (b) Does cot arise. (b) what is the technological status relevant for the country and whether any [English] time frame has been fixed for India for catching up with the other advanced countries Gang of child kidnapper of the world in this field ? 1303. DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR TRIPATHI : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHRI KALI PRASAD PANDEY: MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- LOGY AND MINISTER OF STATE IN Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVE- be pleased to state : LOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELEC- TRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI K. R. (a) whether a gang of child kidnapper isNARAYANAN) : (a) The following techno- very active in Delhi; logy missions have been launched so far ; 91 Written Answers NOVEMBER 12. 1980 Written Answers

(i) Drinking water for every village Defence equipment manufacturing in and water management, private sector

(ii) Eradication of illiteracy. 1306. SHRI SA1FUDDIN CHOW- DHARY : Will the Minister of DEFENCE (iii) Vaccination and immunisation of be pleased to state : vulnerable population, specially children. (a) whether in order to boost private (iv) Edible oil seeds—intensive cultiva- sector share in manufacture of defence tion and oil manufacture. equipments, departmental and public sector units are being curbed both for fresh capabi- (v) Better communications. lities and perfection;

(b) if not, the reasons for alloting not (b) Tbe present status of Science and very sensitive items to public sector units; Technology in India has been indicated in and detail in the Seventh Five Year Plan document. During the Sixth Plan there has been (c) details of 300 items offered to pri- significant expansion and consolidation of vate sector as well as financial package to the scientific infrastructure, resulting in a sound base for major application of science be given to them for defence equipment manufacturing ? and technology for national development in the 7th Plan. Even as a developing country, India’s achievements in the S&T fields like THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE atomic energy, space and agriculture, are DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE PRODUC- comparable to some of developed countries. TION AND SUPPLIES IN THE MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI SH1VRAJ V. PATIL): (a) No, Sir. Average number of retiring defence personnel (b) Does not arise. 1305. SHRI SIMON TIGGA : Will the (c' So far 466 items have been identifi- Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state : ed for offloading, from Ordance Factories to Civil Sector Industry, in a phased manner. (a) whether Government are considering These consists of clothing items, packing automatic absorption of Ex-servicemen in boxes and hardware items for armaments and civil careers till they reach the age of 5 8 vehicle spares. Besides, about 50 per cent years; of the systems required for manufacture of the new Infantry Combat Vehicles in the (b) if so, details of the scheme; and Ordnance Factories have also been earmarked for Civil Sector Industry. (c) the total average number of retiring defence personnel every year ? For ensuring optimum utilisation of national resources and capabilities for defence, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN necessary technical infrastructural and finan- THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE cial assistance is provided to manufacturers, RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT IN on the merits of each case. THE MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI AURN SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir. [Translation] (b) The details will be worked out, when the scheme is finalised. Setting up of homes for the aged persons in U. P. (c) On an average 50,000 to 55,000 (Other Ranks) and approx. 1200 Officers 1307. SHRI HARISH RAWAT : Will (including 300 Short Service Commissioned the minister of WELFARE be pleased to Officers) retire or are released every year. state : 93 Written Answers KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Written Answers 94

(a) whether Government have provided Allotment of shops to civilian people assistance to various organisations and State in cantonment areas of Himachal Governments for setting up homes for the Pradesh aged; and 1309. SHRI K. D. SULTANPURI : (b) the number of homes for the aged Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased at present in Uttar Pradesh, and the number to state : of homes for aged proposed to be set up in future ? fa) the criteria for allotment of shops to the civilian people in the Cantonment areas THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE of Himachal Pradesh; MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO) : (a) The Central (b) whether the allotment of shops is Government has provided financial assistance done on yearly basis; to a few voluntary organisations working for the welfare of the aged. (c) if so, the annual income to the (b) The Central Government has not Cantonment Boards from these shops; assisted any such home in Uttar Pradesh. There are no proposals with the Central (d) whether Government propose to Government to set up such homes in Uttar allot these shops on lease basis for a period Pradesh. of 90 years; and

[English] (e) the schemes beiDg implemented in cantonment areas nnder the 20-Point Pro- Implementation of delayed projects gramme by Government ?

1308. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA : SHRI NITYANAND MJSHRA : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RESEARCH Will the Minister of PROGRAMME AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINISTRY IMPLEMENTATION be pleased to state : OF DEFENCE (SHRI ARUN SINGH) : (a) Shops owned by the Cantonment Boards are (a) the number of the cases taken up by allotted in accordance with the provisions his Ministry since its inception for monitor- contained in Section 200 of the Cantonments ing the implementation, Ministry-wise; Act, 1924 as amended. The allotment is by public auction and in some cases with the (b) the nature of hurdles which were found previous sanction of the General Officer to have caused delay in these cases; and Commanding-in-Chief of the Command by private treaty. (c) how many cases have been got cleared by the Ministry through intervention (b) Yes, Sir. Allotment is also done on so far ? 3 years basis as provided under Section 200 of the Cantonments Act, 1924. THE MINISTER OF PROGRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI A.B A. GHANI KHAN CHOUDHURY) : (a) The Ministry (c) Rs. 1,96,594/-. of Programme Implementation does not monitor individual cases but monitors (i) the (d) No, Sir. overall performance of the State Govern- ments under different points/items of the (e) Schemes for improvement/augmenta- Twenty Point Programme, (ii) the production tions of potable drinking water, public con- performance in major infrastructure sectors, veniences viz toilets/urinals/septic tanks, and (iii) the implementation of Central roads, drains, electrification, primary educa- Projects costing Rs. 20 crores and above. tional facilities, health care and family welfare, community hall and planting of (b) and (c), Does not arise. trees are regularly implemented. 95 Written Answers NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Wtitten Answers 96

Indigenous manufacture of VCPs/ VCRs TION AND SUPPLIES IN THE MINIS- TRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) :'(a) In the last ten years in 1310* SHRI YASHWANTRAO the Ordnance Factories in Kanpur, the loss GADAKH PATIL : Will the PRIME incurred in accidental fires amounted to MINISTER be pleased to state : Rs. 13,93,393. (a) whether Government have decided to allow the manufacture of VCPs/VCRs in (b) The findings in the inquiries held the country; were that the accidental fires were caused by spontaneous combustion in magnesium swarf, by electrical spark, by fire caused by electri- (b) if so, the details thereof; and cal heater in furniture and by accidental fire in dry bush/grass. (c) if not, the reasons therefor ? (c) Preventive measures have been taken THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to avoid recurrence of fire due to such causes. MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- Check sheets and periodic reports on fire LOGY AND MINISTER OF STATE IN safety and preventive measures have been THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVE- laid down in the factories. LOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELEC- TRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI K. R. NARAYANAN) : (a) to (c). Government [English] had invited applications for manufacture of VCRs/VCPs from interested entrepreneurs. Cleaning of Narmada river Government proposes to issue industrial licences to such units which are prepared to 1312- SHRI AJAY MUSHRAN : Will commit sizeable investments for suitable the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND vertical integration, with an accelerated FORESTS be pleased to state : phased manufacturing programme and which have the requisite in-built capacity to keep (a) whether there is any scheme to clean pace with the changing technology. Govern- the river Narmada of its pollution; ment has yet to take a final decision in this regerd. (b) whether Government propose to provide special assistance to State Govern- [Translation] ments for this purpose; and

Fire in defence production factories (c) if so, the quantum of funds and in Kanpur time schedule for completion of the scheme ?

1311. SHRI JAGDISH AWASTHI : Will THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND state : FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARt) : (a) No Sir; (a) the loss suffered so far due to breaking out of fire generally in defence produc- (b) and (c). Do not arise. tion factories in Kanpur; Pension scheme for freedom fighters (b) the findings of the inquiry conducted in Goa, Daman and Diu so far to ascertain the causes of fire; and t 1313. SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK: (c) the action taken by Government to Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be ensure that such incidents of devastating 6re pleased to state : do not occur in future ? (a) the number of pension schemes for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE freedom fighters in the Union Territory of DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE PRODUC- Goa, Daman and Diu; 97 Written Answers KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Written Answers 9g

(b) the requirements for qualifying to MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI get pension under these schemes; CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI) : (a) There are two pension schemes namely Swatantrata (c) the number of persons presently Sainik Samman Pension Scheme, 1980 of getting pension under the scheme or schemes; Ceotral Government and pension under Goa. (d) the number of cases rejected; and Daman and Diu Freedom Fighters Welfare Rules (Local Pension). (e) the number of cases pending ? (b) to (e). A statement is given below. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE

Statement

Pension under Central Govt. Pension under Goa, Daman and Diu Scheme Freedom Fighters Welfare Rules

Provides pension to those persons Provides pension to those Freedom Fighters who have undergone imprisonment/ who have undergone detention/imprison- abscondence/internment and extem- ment for a period of not less than three ment for 6 months (3 months in weeks or undergone underground suffer- case of women, SC/ST) ^3ue to ings for a period of not less than one participation in Freedom Struggle. year or killed in action or sentenced to death or died after release from prison on account of injury occurred during detention or lost their job.

2. No. of persons getting pension — 688 719

3. No. of cases rejected — 2504 The scheme is effective from 1-12-85. 4. No. of cases pending — 65 Last date for receipt of applications was (as on 31-10*86) 31-10-86. The total number of applications received is 1717, out of which pension has been sanctioned to 719 persons and the remaining applications are under scrutiny.

Energy produced by atomic power TRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI K. R. plants NARAYANAN) : The information is fur- nished below : 1314. SHRI E. AYYAPPU REDDY : Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to Station Generation in state the total quantity of energy produced by Million Units January each atomic power plant in the country 1986 to October 1986 during 1986 so far ? TAPS 1613 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- RAPS 1100 LOGY AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVE- MAPS 1465 LOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELEC- 99 Written Answers NOVEMBER 12,1986 Written Answers 100

Training to weaker sections 12 primitive tribal communities in Orissa which include the Bondas. No tribe-wise 1315. SHRI RADHAKANTA D1GAL : information is collected by the Central Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased Government. to state : Confirmation of Officials in (a) whether there is a need to provide Lakshadweep Administration necessary training to the weaker sections of the people to make them aware of various 1317. SHRI P. M. SAYEED : Will the centrally sponsored schemes under imple- Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased mentation in their areas; and to state :

(b) whether such training to educate (a) the number of Officials in Laksha- those people through centrally sponsored dweep Administration who have not been schemes is proposed to be implemented by confirmed in their respective poosts, Depart - the States ? ment-wise;

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) the approximate time by which the MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI SUKH temporary employees would be absorbed in RAM) : (a) There is a n?ed for creating service permanently; and awareness regarding the Centrally Sponsored Schemes so as to reach the benefit to the (c) whether any period has been specified intended targets. Awareness about these after which an incumbent is made permanent programmes is created by the Central and in his post and if not, the reasons State Governments through the block level therefor ? machinery panchayats and functionaries of various departments which are implementing THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE these schemes and the mass media. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI) : (a) to (c). (b) Creation of awareness is being doneInformation is being collected and will be already by State Governments and Central placed on the Table of the House, Ministries.

Implementation of new 20-Point Educating Bonda Tribes in Orissa Programme

1316. SHRI RADHAKANTA DIGAL : 1318. SHRI SRIKANTA DATTA Will the Minister of WELFARE be pleased NARASIMHARAJA WAD1YAR : Will the to state : Minister of PROGRAMME IMPLEMEN- TATION be pleased to state : (a) whether Central Assistance has been provided for the education of Bonda tribes (a) whether Government have started in Orissa; implementing new revised 20-Point Programme; (b) if so, under which scheme and the amount of Central Assistance provided so lb) if so, since when and the difference far; and between the earlier 20-Point Programme and the present programme; and (c) what specific steps have been taken for the promotion of education among (c) the specific steps proposed to be Bonda Tribes ? taken for effective implementation of new 20-Point Programme ? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI THE' MINISTER OF PROGRAMME GIR1DHAR GOMANC.O) : (a) to (c). Bulk IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI A. B. A. assistance is provided to the State Govern- GHANJ KHAN CHOUDHURY) : (a) No, ment to implement special programmes for Sir. 101 Written Answers KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKAl Written Answer, 102

(b) It is proposed to implement the 2000 A.D-, it is proposed to raise additional 20-Poiint Programme— 1986 from 1.4-1987 resources from the public by restructuring as part of the Annual Plan 1987-88, The Nuclear Power Board into a Public Sector Programme has been restructured in the Institution. light of the achievements and experience and the objectives of the Seventh Five Year Plan and renews commitment to eradicating Recruiting office for Air Force in poverty, raising productivity, reducing in- Himachal Pradesh come inequalities and removing social and economic disparities and improving the 1320. PROF. NARAIN CHAND quality of life. While certain points have PARASHAR : Wijl the Minister of been dropped others have been amplified or DEFENCE be pleased to state : given sharper focus. Certain additional items have been included. (a) whether a demand for a separate recruiting office for the Air Force in Hima- (c) The details of the measure to be chal Pradesh has been received; taken for effective implementation of the Programme are under consideration. (b) if so, the decision taken on the demand and the likely date by which the Target for generating Atomic Energy recruiting office would be opened; and

1319. SHRI SRIKANTA DATTA (c) if not, ihe likely date by which tbe NARASIMHARAJA WADIYAR : Will the decision would be taken ? PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) the target set for generating Atomic DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RESEARCH Energy during Seventh Plan; AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI ARUN SINGH) : (b) whether it is a fact that the present (a) No, Sir. allocation made to the Department of Atomic Energy is very inadequate to carry on (b) and (c). Do not arise. various activities under this department; and Clubbing of languages/dialects under (c) if so, whether additional allocations Hindi by Ceusus authorities are proposed to be made to the Department of Atomic Energy to carry on its plans and 1321. PROF. NARAIN CHAND programmes underway ? PARASHAR : Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to stale : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCLENCE AND TECHNO- (a) the number and names of the LOGY AND MINISTER OF STATE IN languages/dialects recorded as mother tongue THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVE- by the people in the census report of 1981 LOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELEC- in the States of Jammu and Kashmir, TRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI K. R. Punjab, Himachal Pradesh and Haryana NARAYANAN) : (a) The installed capacity and the number of speakers for each mother for nucleaT power is targeted to reach tongue; 1700 MWe by the end of the Seventh Plan. (b) whether any classification has been made of the various dialects spoken/recorded (b) and (c). Paucity of financial resourcesin the region, with details thereof; will necessitate rescheduling of various activities under the Department of Atomic (c) whether it is a fact that a number of' Energy. However, to enable to keep up to dialects/languages have been clubbed under the proposed nuclear power programme Hindi-disregarding the known linguistic of achieving 10,000 MWe by the year criteria; and foS Written Answers NOVEMBER 12, 1983 Written AnSwtrt 104

(d) if so, the reasons therefor, especially (d) if so, the districts proposed to be when the speakers of the mother tongue covered under the above programme in recorded their mother tongue as independent Orissa and other States io Seventh Plan ? dialects/languages in the Census for 1971 and whether the classification for 1981 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Census would avoid this error ? MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI): (a) and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN (b). The names of the States and number of THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS the districts in these States in which the (SHRI CHINTAMANI PAN1GRAHI) : centrally sponsored scheme Rural Fuel- (a) The 1981 census data on language/ wood Plantations is under implementation mother tongue is not Available as the pro- are given in the statement given below. cessing of the same is in progress. (c) No, Sir. (b) to (d). Do not arise. (d) Does not arise.

Development of Nandankanan Sanctuary in Orissa Statement

List of 157 Districts Selected for iniple* 1323. SHR1MAT1 JAY ANTI PATNAIK : mentation of the Centrally Sponsored Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND Scheme ‘Social Forestry including Rural FORESTS be pleased to state : Fuelwood Plantations*

(a) whether any amount has been Name of the Name of districts sanctioned by Union Government for the States/UTs selected development of Nandankanan Sanctuary in* Orissa during the Year 1986-87; and 1 2 (b) if so, the details thereof ? * 1. Andhra 1. Rangareddy THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Pradesh 2. Guntur MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND 3. Medak FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : (a) No, 4. Nalgonda Sir, 5. Krishna (b) Does not arise. 6. Nellorc 7. Prakasam Rural fuel-wood plantation 8. Nizamabad programme 2. Assam 1. Kamrup 1324. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PATNAIK : 2. Goalpara Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AtND 3. Sibsagar FORESTS be pleased to state : 4. Cachar (a) the States where centrally sponsored Rural Fule Wood Plantation Programme is 3. Bihar 1. Santhal Parganas under implementation; 2. Bhagalpur 3. Giridih (b) the number of distriets in these states where such scheme has been implemen- 4. Dhanbad ted; 5. Hazaribagh 6. Gaya (c) whether Government have a proposal to extend such scheme to some more districts 7. Aurangabad in different Stales; and 8. Nalanda 105 Written Answert KARTlttA U, 1908 (SAfcA) Written Answers 106

1 2 1 2

9. Monghyr 4. Bhopal 10. Rohtas 5. Gwalior 11. Nawadah 6. Jbabua 7. Seoni 4. Oujarat 1. Vadodara 8. Jabalpur 2. Panchmahal 9. Bilaspur 3. Kutch 10. Raipur 4. Surendranagar 11. Satna 5. Sabarkantha 12. Sagar 6. Jamnagar 13. Durg 7. Bhavnagar * 14. Khandwa 5. Haryana 1. Karnal 15. Panna 2. Mahendergarh 11. Maharashtra 1. Ahmednagar 3. Gurgaon 4. Kurukshetra 2. Rataagiri* 5. Sonepat 3. Sholapur 4. Osmanabad* 6. Himachal 1. Kangra 5. Kolhapur Pradesh 2. Mandi 6. Parbhani 3* Sirmur 7- Nasik 4. Simla 8. Pune 5. Hamirpur 9. Thane 7. Jammu and 1. Anantnag 10. Jalgaon Kashmir 2. Rajouri 12. Manipur 1. Manipur Central 3. Kargil 2. Manipur North 4. Kathua 13* Meghalaya 1. West Khasi Hills 8. Karnataka 1. Bangalore 2. West Garo Hills 2. Gulberga 3. Kolar 14. Nagaland 1. Kohima 4. Bellary 2. Phok 5. Mandhya 3. Tuensang 6. Dharwad 15. Orissa 1. Belasore 7. Mysore 2. Cuttack 8. Chickmanglur 3. Bolangir 9. Kerala 1. Cannanore 4. Purl 2. Trivandrum 5. Ganjam 3. Kozhikode 16. Punjab 1. Amritsar 4. Kottayam 2. Patiala 10. Madhya 1. Rews 3« Ferozepur Pradesh 2- Ratlam 4. Gurdaspur 3. lndor* 5. Faridkot 107 Written Answers NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Written Answers 108

17. Rajasthan 1. Jaipur ‘ 22. West Bengal 1. Burdwan 2. Udaipur 2. Midnapur 3. Bharatpur 3. Bankura 4. Alwar 4. 24-Parganas 5. Bhilwara 5. Birbhum 6. Ajmer 6. Nadia 7. Bansware 8. Jhunjhunu 143 9. Kota 10. Sawaimadhopur

18* Sikkim 1. East Gangtok 2. South Gangtok Name of the Name of the UTs. Districts selected 19. Tamil Nadu 1. Madurai 2. Truchirapalli 1. Arunachal 1. West Kamang 3. Chengalpattu Pradesh 4. Dharmpuri 2. Lower Subansiri 5. North Arcot 3. Dibang Valley 6. South Arcot 4. Tirap 5. Lohit 20. Tripura 1. West District 6. East Kamang 2. North District 7. Upper Subansiri 21. Uttar Pradesh 1. Hamirpur 8. East Siang 2. Jalaun 9. West Siang 3. Pilibhit . 1. Delhi 4. Kheri 2. Delhi 5. Jhansi 3. Mizorum 1. Aizawl 6. Lalitpur 2. Lungloi 7.* Tehri 3. Chintuipui 8. Almora 4. Goa, Daman 1. Goa 9. Garhwal & Diu 10. Mirzapur 11. Meerut 12. Allahabad 14 13. Deoria Total : 157 Districts. 14. Gorakhpur 15. Jaunpur 16. Azamgarh 17. Moradabad ♦Ratnagiri and Osmanabad have been bifurcated into 4 districts. The names of 18. Agra two new districts are Sindhudurg and 19. Aligarh Lature. 109 Written Answers KART1KA 2 i , 1908 (SAKA) Written Answers

Licences to manufacture Video of Video Cassettes is given below. A large Cassettes number of companies in Small Scale Sector have also been approved for manufacture of 1325. SHRI AMARSINH RATHAWA Video: Cassettes. Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : (b) In the organised sector only two companies i.e. Rishi Electronics and Super (a) the names of the firms which have Cassettes (who were issued COB licence) are been awarded licences for the manufacture of in production. The production of Video video cassettes in India; Cassettes in 1985 was around 3 lakh Nos, mainly in Small Scale Sector. (b) the number of video cassettes manufactured by each firm annually; (c) The demand for Video Cassettes as per Vllth Plan document is 4 million num- (c) the annual demand of video casset- bers (equivalent to 1000 MRM, Video Tape tes in the country; l/2 w width by the year 1990\

(d) whether video cassettes are being (d) Yes Sir, however, the data on such imported, if so, the number of companies import licences is not available as “Video which have got import licence; Cassettes” are not separately classified under t Indian Trade Classification Rev.-2, on the (e) whether Government are aware that basis of which Foreign Trade Statistics are video cassettes are being illegally imported; maintained. and (e) Since nothing specific has been (f) if so, the steps taken to increase brought to the attention of Government the the production of video cissettes in the extent of such import is difficult to assess, country to check the illegal import ? (f) In the recent past the Government THE MINISTER OF STATE IN has taken a number of steps to increase THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND production of electronic items in the country TECHNOLOGY AND MINISTER OF and to ensure that tbe targets indicated in STATE IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF 7ih plan document are met. A few compa- OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC nies in the organised sector are already at an ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE advanced stage of implementation of their (SHRI K. R. NARAYANAN) : (a) A projects. It is expected that the demand for statement containing the list of parties who Video Cassettes as projected for the terminal have been issued industrial Licence/Letter year of the Vllth plan will be met from of Intent/SIA Registration for manufacture indigenous sources.

Statement

The names o f the firms which have been awarded letter o f intentJIndustrial Licence for the manufacture of Video Cassettes

List of Parties holding Letter of Intent

S. No. Name of the Party Capacity

1. M/s. A. K. Singh Kesliwal, Indore 1 8 Million Nos. 2. M/s. Anand Asia (Liberia) Incorporated Dubai 1 Million Nos. 3. M/s. Dr. Beck & Co., (I) Ltd., Pune 1 Million Nos. 4. M/s. Elco Video Limited, Bhubneshwar 1 Lakh Nos. 5. M/s. Eximco Electronics (I) Ltd., Ahmedabad 1 Million Nos, Ill Written Answers NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Written Answers 112

S. No. Name of the Party Capacity

6. M/s. Geetha Ganglani; New Delhi 1 Million Nos.

7. M/s. Gulshan K. Arora, USA 5 5 Million Nos. 8. M/s. J. & K. State Industrial Development Corporation Ltd., Srinagar 2 Million Nos.

9. M/s. Jyoti Investment Ltd., Calcutta 3 Lakh Nos. 10. M/s. MP State Industrial Development Corporation Ltd., Bhopal 1.8 Million Nos.

11. M/s. Narendra Trivedi, Ahmedabad 2.7 Million Nos. 12. M/s. Orissa State Electronics Dev. Corporation Ltd., Bhubneshwar 1.5 Million Nos.

13. M/s. Sanjay Bhaskar, New Delhi 2 Million Nos. 14. Shri Ram Das Darke, C/o Mansukhlal & Co , Bombay-400 002. 6 Lakhs p.a.

15. M/s. Eximco Electronics (I) Pvt. Ltd., Paladi, Ahmedabad. 1 Million p.a. 16. M/s. Choudhary International, Worli Bombay-400010 2 Lakhs p.a.

List of Parties holding Industrial Licence

1 . M/s. Hindustan Photo Films Ltd., 1500 Million Running Ootakamund (Tamil Nadu) Meters (This includes Magnetic Tape for Audio, Video and Computer Application

■ and Cassettes). 2. M/s. Garware Plastics & Polyester Ltd., Bombay 1 Million Nos. t 3. M/s. Rishi Electronics, New Delhi (COB Licence) 6,000 Nos.

List of Parties holding SIA Registration for Vcdio Cassettes

1% Mr. Ali Mohd. Basu, Kashmir 4 Million Nos. 2. M/s. Gloria Leasing Limited, Bombay 2.5 Million Nos. 3. M/s. Murugappa Electronics Ltd., Madras 1 Million Nos. 4. M/s. Pantape Magnetic Ltd., Bangalore. 3 Million Nos. 5. M/s. Pishu Ganglani, Bangalore 20,000 Nos. 113 Written Answers KAUTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Written Answers 114

S. No. Name of the Parties Capacity

6. Mr. Prem Khetani, New Delhi 20,000 Nos.

7. Mr. Sanjay Kaushish, New Delhi 1 Million Nos. 8. M/s. Super Cassettes Industries (Substantial 2 Lakhs Nos. expansion) Private Limited, New Delhi 9. M/s. Lesvagas Video Film, New Delhi 2 Million Nos. 10. Mr. Suresh Kumar, Chandigarh 2 Million Nos.

0 11. Shri S. K. Agarwal, New Delhi 5 Lakh Nos. 12. M/s- Veetrag Electronics Co. Bombay 5 Million Nos. 13. Mr. Anand Kumar 2 Million Nos. 14. M/s. Kanosia Alkalies & Plastics Ltd., 6 million Nos. m Calcutta. 15. M/s. Babulal Auchalia, Calcutta 2.5 Million Nos. 16- Mr. Jayaram Mamidipudi, (AP) 30 Lakh Nos. 17. M/s. Usha Agarwala, New Delhi 2.0 Million Nos. 18. M/s. Polyplex Corp. Ltd., New Delhi 3 Million Nos. 19. M/s. J. & K. State Indl. Dev. Corpn. 20 Lakhs Nos. Srinagar 20. Mr. S. S. Bhartia, Madhya Pradesh. 10 Lakhs Nos. 21. Mr. M. M. Aggarwal & S. P. Singh, M.P. 2 Million Nos. 22. M/s. Niagara Electronics (P) Ltd., Hary. 20 Lakhs Nos. 23. Mr. Satinder Kapur, New Delhi 20 Lakhs Nos. 24. M/s. Krishna International, New Delhi i Lakh Nos. 25. M/s. Agarwal Video Tapes, New Delhi 3 Lakhs Nos. 26. M/s. Gupta Needle Ind’s (P) Ltd , 20 Lakhs Nos. New Delhi 27. M/s. Tirupati Electronics, New Delhi. 20 Lakhs Nos.

Purchase of helicopters from Britain (b) if so, the details regarding use 60 far as the question of capability and cost is 1326. SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK : concerned ? SHRI JAGANNATH PATTNAIK : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Will the Minister of DEFENCE be DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RESEARCH pleased to state : AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINIS- TRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI ARUN SINGH): (a) whether Government have decided(a) Yes, Sir. to buy the newest type of commando helicopters from Britain to beef up the Indian (b) The helicopter shall be utilised for Navy’s air arm; and airborne deployment, 115 Written Answers NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Written Answers 116

Suspension of officials of UP8C for (e) The Commission have taken steps to complicity in tampering with tighten security in the Confidential Branch results of their Secretariat by segregating sections handling confidential materials of various 1327. SHRI T. BASHEER : examinations. This area has been cordoned SHRI A. J. V. B. MAHESWARA off and only one common entry/exit is provi- RAO : ded. Officials coming in or going out of the SHRI C. MADHAV REDDI : Confidential Branch are checked at the entry point by responsible officers. Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : Detailed procedural changes have also* beer, made to maintain confidentiality of answer books/answe? sheets, etc. (a) whether any enq liry has been ordered into the functioning of the Union Public Service Commission by Government; Measures to save Badrinath temple from avalanches (b) if so, the details thereof; * 1 328. SHRI HARIHAR SOREN : Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to (c) whether any official of U. P. S. C. state : have been suspended for their complicity in tampering with the results of certain (a) whether any study has been conduc- examinations; ted by the Snow and Avalanche Studies Establishment (SASE) on the possible threat (d) if so, details thereof; and to Badrinath Temple from avalanches;

(e) the steps being taken to prevent such (b) if so, since when the above organi- malpractices ? sation has been engaged in that study; (c) whether any report has beerj submitted THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE and protective measures suggested by the MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC study team to save Badrinath temple from GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI the possible threat; and BIREN SINGH ENGTI) : (a) No, Sir. (d) if so, the details thereof ? (b) Does not arise. THE MINISTER OF STATE. IN THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RESEARCH (c) Yes, Sir. Seven officials of U P. S. C. AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINIS- have been suspended. TRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI ARUN (d) The seven officials are : SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir. (b) SASE has been engaged in the studies 1. Shri R, P. Saroj, Under since winter of 1980 81. Secretary.

2. Shri Jug Lai, Section Officer. (c) Yes, Sir, a report suggesting suitable protective measures has been submitted to 3. Shri Pramod Behari, Section the Investigation and Planning Division of Officer, UP Government.

4. ShriDesh Raj Chugh, Assistant. (d) The protective measures suggested include the construction of a guide wall 5. Shri Radhey Shyam, Record about 70 mtr. long on an existing spur, a Keeper. set of earthern mounds to reduce the velocity 6. Shri Bharat Singh Negi, and dissipate the energy of avalanche mass, Assistant. a diversion dam of 130 mtr. length to divert the avalanche flow and afforestation for the 7. Shri Inder Nath Uppal, Assistant. whole area as an essential measure. The 111 Written Answers KARTIKA 21,1908 (SARA) Written Answers i 18 above recommendations have been accepted set up two more nuclear power reactors kt b> the UP Government; the construction of Rajasthan Atomic Power Plant; Diversion Dam and Earthern Mouods is complete and work on the guide wall is in (b) if so, the details thereof, including progress. the cost and capacity thereof; and

High Level Committee on problems of (c) the steps taken to implement the ex *servicemen decision ?

1329. DR. G. S. RAJHANS : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY : MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- Will the Minister of DEFENCE be LOGY AND MINISTER OF STATE IN pleased to state the steps Government have THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVE- taken/propose to take to ensure the speedy LOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELEC- implementation of the recommendations of TRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI K. R. the High Level Committee on problems of NARAYANAN): (a) Yes Sir. ex-servicemen which have already been accepfed ? (b) Two units cach of 235 MWe capacity are to be set up at an estimated cost of about Rs. 711 crores. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINIS- (c) Land for plant site has been acquired. TRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI ARUN Site investigations and action for procure- SINGH) : The State Governments, Central ment of major items of equipment are in Ministries concerned have been addressed at progress. the level of Chief Ministers/Governors and Union Ministers for speedy implementation Seminar on distributed digital control of the recommendations of the High Level Committee on problems of Ex-servicemen (HLC). The State Governments/Central 1331. SHRI ANAND SINGH : Will the Ministries have also been approached at PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : official level for speedy implementation of the recommendations of the HLC, The (a) whether the Department of Electro- matter is being pursued with them from time nics had organised an international seminar to time. The Director General Resettlement on distributed digital control in New Delhi has been entrusted with the responsibility of on September 10, 1986; watching the implementation of the recommendations of the HLC. The implementation (b) if so, the issues discussed at the of specific recommendations of the HLC seminar; will .be discussed at the Kendriya Sainik Board Meeting which is scheduled to be held (c) whether the question of import of in December 1986 under the Chairmanship technology was discussed at the seminar; if of the Prime Minister and will be attended so, the outcome thereof; and by the Chief Ministers/Ministers concerned with the resettlement of Ex-servicemen for (d) the action taken in pursuance of the speedy implementation of the recommenda- deliberations at the seminar ? tions of the HLC.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Setting up of nuclear power reactors MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- LOGY AND MINISTER OF STATE IN 1330. SHRI ANAND SINGH: Will THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVE- the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : LOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELEC- TRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI K. R. (a) whether Government have decided to NARAYANAN) : (a) Yes Sir. 119 Written Answers NOVEMBER 12. 1986 Written Answers 120.

(b) (c) and (d). The seminar was aimedAct, 1980, permission of the Central Govern- at creating an awareness in the Indian indus- ment under the said Act is not required. try towards the use of new technologies such However, in cases where only administrative as Distributed Digital Control (DDC) and approval was given for projects prior to the the benefits that could be achieved. The coming into force of the Act without the seminar was attended by more than 200 issuance of orders of dereservation or diver- senior executives from the industry, Govern- sion of forest lands, prior approval of the ment departments, R & D organisations, Central Government would be required and and academic institutions. 19 invited techni- no exemption of such cases is being contem- cal papers which highlighted the technologi- plated. cal trends, the practical applications through case studies were presented by experts from (b) and (c). Do not arise. lodia and abroad. An exhibition limited to DDC and related equipment was organised in which 10 manufacturers from India and Arrest of London based woman abroad exhibited their products. terrorist at Delhi Airport

1333. SHRI SATYENDRA NARAYAN Import of technology per se was not dis- SINHA : Will the Minister of HOME cussed. A few aspects related to the intro- AFFAIRS be pleased to state : duction and implementation of DDC was discussed. On the basis of the recommenda- (a) whether a London-based woman tions of the seminar, design of DDC for terrorist was held at Palam Airport on Bhilai Steel Plant has been taken up. October 18, 1986 while trying to catch a Thai Airways flight; Exemption to irrigation and power (b) whether she was found to carry projects from the Forest (Conserva- terrorist literature; tion) Act (c) whether any official of a foreign 13 32. SHRI ANAND SINGH : mission accompanied the terrorist; and SHRI NITYANANDA MISHRA : (d) if so, action taken in this matter ?

Will the Ministei of ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (S. BUTA SINGH) : (a) A London-based (a) whether Government have been woman was detained on October 18, 1986 considering the question of exempting certain at Palam Airport. irrigation and power projects initiated prior to 1980 from the relevant provisions of the (b) No terrorist literature was recovered Forest (Conservation) Act, 1980; from her possession. However, a photostat o py of a leaf from a Magazine published (b) if so, the number and details of such in U. K. was found in her possession. The projects; and kaf contains an advertisement carrying the photograph of Jarnail Singh Bhinderanwale (c) the extent of forest area likely to be and other terrorists, requesting the public to denuded with the implementation thereof and assemble in a sikh temple on 7th August, Government’s decision in regard thereto ? 1986 to celebrate the death anniversary of Sant Baba Kartar Singhji Khalsa Bhinderan- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE wale.

MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND ______« FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : (a) In (c) Yes. Sir. The official accompanied projects where specific orders for dereserva- her to the Airport to see her off. tion or diversion of forest lands were issued bv the State Governments prior to the com- (d) A case has been registered against ing into force of the Forest (Conservation) her under Sections 3/4 of the Terrorist 121 Written Answers KART1KA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Written Answers 122

and Disruptive Activities (Prevention) Act (c) whether Government propose to set on 31st October, 1986. She was arrested up another Administrative Reforms Com- and remanded to police custody till 12.11. mission and if so, the details of the pro- 1986. posal ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE "IN' THE • Western Ghat Development Programme MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND 1334. DR. K. G. ADIYODI : Will theMINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- Minister of PLANNING be pleased to state TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P. the number of schemes .sanctioned for imple- CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) and (b). The Ad- mentation during the current year under ministrative Reforms Commission was set up Western Ghat Development Programme in in January 1966 and it functioned upto June Kerala. Karnataka, and Tamil Nadu and the 1970. The Commission submitted 20 amount sanctioned to each State ? Reports containing 578 recommendations out of which 525(including 6 partly) recomment- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE dations pertained to the Central Government MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI SUKH while the remaining 59 (including 6 partly) RAM) : The number of schemes sanctioned recommendations pertained to States. for implementation during the current year under Western Ghats Development Pro- Out of the recommendations which con- gramme in Kerala, Karnataka and Tamil cerned the Central Government, 385 (includ- Nadu and the amount sanctioned for each ing 67 partly) were accepted. 381 (including State are as follows : — 67 partly) of these have already been implemented. The important decision -which remains to be implemented relates to the SI. State No. of Amount setting up of the institution of Lok Pal, The No. schemes sanctioned Lok Pal Bill was introduced in the Lok Sabha sanctioned (Rs. in crores) on 26th August, 1985 and it has been referred to the Joint Select Committee of Parliament. 1. Kerala 40 5.09 (c) No, Sir. 2. Karnataka 14 6.33

3. Tamil Nadu 43 4.34 [English]

Dangerous emissions in industries [Translation] 1336. SHRI V. S. VIJAYARAGHAVAN: Administrative Reforms Commissions Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS be pleased to state :

1335. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER (a) the number of gas leak or other JAIN : Will the PRIME MINISTER be dangerous emissions from factories involving pleased to state : death or injury to people in different parts of the country, after the Bhopal gas tragedy, (a) the particulars of the Administrative with State-wise break-up; and Reforms Commissions set up in the country by the Union Government so far; (b) action taken in each case ?

(b) the extent to which their recommen- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE dations have so far been implemented and MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND detailed of those which are yet to be imple- FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : (a) and mented; and (b)» A statement is given below. 123 Written Answers NOVEMBER 12* 1986 Written Answers

4 Statement

The following information is based on the reports from the states J union territories

States Number of gas Action Taken leakage/dangerous emissions

i 1. Andhra Pradesh 1 Industries were asked to control pollution.

' 2. Chandigarh 1 1, Pressure vessels tested periodically. 2. Visit of Factory Inspectorate frequently to monitor the progress.

3. Gujarat 3 Units were asked to close down. Some i of the units restarted after implementing pollution control measures.

4. Haryana 2 Management has been instructed to appoint Safety Officer, and set up Safety Committee and impart Safety training to workers. One of the units has been pro- secuted for not adopting safe methods of work.

5. Kerala 3 Directions given to avoid such incidents.

0. Maharashtra 15 An Expert Committee was appointed to suggest remedial measures. Police have arrested concerned persons in 5 cases.

7. Madbya Pradesh 10 The State Government has set up a Com- mittee to inspect hazardous factories and to ensure safety measures.

8. Orissa 1 The Industry was directed to take immediate precautionary measures.

9. Rajasthan 3 The units were inspected and asked tp ensure proper safety measures. « 10. Tamil Nadu 6 Remedial measures have been suggested. 11. West Bengal 3 The units were inspected by the State Pollution Control Board and necessary directions were given for control measures. 125 Written Answers KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SARA) Written Answers 126

Deployment of BSF on Indo-Nepal THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE border MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND 1337. SHRI G. S. BASAVARAJU : MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- SHRI H. N. NANJE GOWDA TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P. SHRI S. M. GURADDI : CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) No proposal has DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR been received from the Government of West TRIPATH1 : Bengal to this effect. ►

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS (b) and (c). The question do not arise. be pleased to state : Manufacture of submarines (a) whether Union Government are considering the West Bengal Government’s 1339. SHRI G. S. BASAVARAJU : proposal to deploy BSF for regularly policing SHRI S. M. GURADDI : India’s 800 KM. border with Nepal; and

t Will the Minister of DEFENCE be (b) if so, whether Union Government pleased to state when the first submarines have agreed to the proposal of the West being built indigenously are expected to be Bengal Government and by what time the ready ? BSF is likely to be deployed ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE PRODUC- MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC TION AND SUPPLIES IN THE MINIS- GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND TRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- PATIL) : Delivery is expected in the beginn- TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P. ing of the next five year plan. CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) and (b). The Indo- Nepal border, which is nearly 1700 KMs long, is an open border and the question of Scheme to boost electronic export strengthening the policing of the border by deployment of para military forces, if con- 1340. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA : sidered necessary, while keeping the Indo- Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to Nepal border open, is under examination. state :

Amendment of Constitution to meet (a) whether Government have introduced GNLF demands a scheme to boost electronics export;

1 338. SHRI G. S. BASAVARAJU : (b) if so, the details thereof and the SHRI H. N. NANJE GOWDA : steps taken in this respect;

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS . (c) the details of the items which are be pleased to state : being exported by India and to which countries; and (a) whether Government of West Bengal has suggested to Union Government to (d) the steps proposed to be taken to amend article 370 of the Constitution suit- identify more markets ? ably to accommodate the demands of Gorkha National Liberation Front; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN JHE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- (b) if so, the details of the suggestions LOGY AND MINISTER OF STATJE IN made; and THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVE- LOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELEC- (c) the reaction of Union Government TRONICS AND SPACE ^SHRI K. R. thereon ? NARAYANAN) : (a) and (b). A number 127 Written Answers NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Written Answers 128

or policy measures have been adopted to target for the economy as a whole and the in- promote growth of electronics at near inter- vestment in poverty alleviation programmes. national prices. It is expected that electronics The Sixth Five Year Plan had a growth export will also grow alongwith growth in target of 5.2 per cent per annum for the total production. Further, it is proposed to economy as a whole (which was achieved) identify thrust products and identify and the outlay under direct anti-poverty companies with export potentials and have a programmes was Rs 3620 crores at 19/9- continuous interaction with them with a view 80 prices (the actual expenditure being Rs. to solving their general and specific problems. 3880 crores at current prices). In the It is also proposed to have interaction with Seventh Five Year Plan the growth target Development Commissioners of respective for the economy as a whole is 5 per cent export processing zones Government is also per annum and the outlay for poverty formulating a new policy to promote software alleviation programmes is Rs. 6590 crores export. at 1984-85 prices. It is important to mention here that the Sixth Five Year Plan (c) The itmes being exported by India started with the base 1979-80. The year include : Radio Receivers, Tape Recorders, 1979-80 happened to register a very poor Amplifiers, Audio Equipments, Oscilloscopes, economic performance due mainly to short- Power Supplies, Electro-Medical Equipment, fall in agricultural production to the extent Computer Peripherals, Micro Processor based of about 15 percent over 1978-79 and hence systems Broadcasting Communication system, the year was not a normal year. The growth Semiconductor Devices, Capacitors, Resistors, rate of Gross National product during that Permanent Magnets, Electro-Mechanical year, ie., 1979-80 over 1978-79 was 4.7 Components and Computer Software. The per cent and there was an increase in the countries to which export is made include number of persons below poverty line in USA, UK, European countries and USSR. 1979-80 over 1977-78 to the extent of 4.1 crores. It was because of the low base of (d) It is proposed to have close inter- 1979-80 that Sixth Plan aimed at a higher action with T. D. A. and -Indian Embassies growth rate of economy and also a higher abroad for this purpose. Selective participa- poverty reduction target. As against this, tion in exhibitions is also made with a view Seventh Five Year Plan started with a to locate more markets. normal base year 1984-85 and all targets including the target of poverty reduction are kept as realistic as possible. As a result, People below poverty line Seventh Plan aims at a moderate traget of raising 6.2 crores persons above the poverty 1341. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY : line as against the achievement of 7.5 crores DR. A. K. PATEL : during the Sixth Plan.

Will the Minister of PLANNING be Infiltration, smuggling and spying pleased to state : activities on Indian borders

(a).whether the estimated number of 1342 SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD persons who crossed the poverty line during SINGH l Will the Minister of HOME Sixth Plan period was about 7*5 crores and AFFAIRS be pleased to state : during the Seventh Plan period it is expected to be about 6.2 crores; and (a) whether. infiltration, smuggling and spying activities have been increasing on a (b) if so, the reasons for shortfall ? large scale at Indian borders; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN (b) if so, the details in this regard and THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI measures taken to check these activities ? SUKH RAM) : (a) Yes, Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) The target of poverty reduction is MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC fired by taking into account the growth GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND j 29 Written Answers KART1KA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Written Antmn 130

MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Violations on Indo-Pak and Indo- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI China Borders P. CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) No, Sir. 1344. PROF. NARAIN CHAND (b) Docs not arise. PARASHAR : Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state :

(a) whether any cases of violation or News item captioned, “ Defence equi- tresspass on Indo-Pak and Indo*China pment— private sector share may Borders have been reported during the last go up” six months of the current financial year; and 1 343. SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA : (b) if so, the nature and details thereof Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state : along with the action taken by the Govern- ment in this regard ?

(a) whether attention of Government THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE has been drawn to the news item captioned, MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC “Defence equipment—private sector share GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND may go up” appearing in the Financial MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Express dated 15 September, 1986; and MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) There was no (b) if so, Government’s reaction there- intrusion of Pakistani armed forces or to ? Pakistani para-military forces on the Indo- Pak border during the period from April 10 September 1986. However, there have been THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE occasions when some infiltrators, suspected DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE smugglers, etc. were apprehended by the PRODUCTION AND SUPPLIES IN THE security personnel deployed on the border MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI when the illegal entrants tried to cross the SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) Yes, Sir. border. In the case of indo-China border, some violations were noticed. (b) The policy of the Government is to increasingly utilies tbe capacities in the civil (b) In the Western sector, Chinese sector and not to set up neW» capacities in vehicle borne patrols have violated the Line the Defence Sector, if capacities already of Actual Control on 10th May, 23rd May, exist in the Civil Sector (Public and Private). 30th May, 4ih August, 17th August and 10th September, 1 986. In the Eastern sector, there was intrusion on 23rd June, In addition 466 low technology items 1986 in the area of Wangdung in Aruna- have been identified for ofT-loading from Ordnance Factories to Civil Sector Industry, chal Pradesh. in a phased manner. These consist of clothing items, packing boxes, hardware The security environment is under cons- items for armaments and vehicle spares. tant review. Our Armed Forces are vigilant Besides, about 5 per cent of the systems to counter any threat to the becurily of ihe required for manufacture of ihe new Infantry country.The Foreign Secretary of the Govern- Combat Vehicle in Ordnance Factories have ment of India has already taken up the also been earmarked for Civil Sector matter with Chinese authorities. Industry. Increase in fatal accidents in Delhi For ensuring optimum utilisation of national resources and capabilities for defe- 1345. SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: nce, necessary technical, infrastructural and SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH financial assistance is provided to manufac- MALIK : turers, on the merits of each case. SHRI SUBHASH YADAV ; 131 Written Answers NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Written Answer* 132

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS SHRI SUBHASH YADAV : be pleased to state : SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK :

(a) whether there has been considerable Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased increase in the fatal accidents in Delhi; to state : and (a) the number of I. A. S. Officers and (b) if so, the number of fatal accidents other high ranking senior officers. including during the -last three years and the steps those of banks and public undertakings on taken to minimise such accidents ? whose residences and offices raids have been conducted by Central Bureau of Inves- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN tigation during the last one year upto 31 THE MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, October, 1986; PUBLIC GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) the number of officers found guilty MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI and details of incriminating documents P. CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) No, Sir. seized; and

(b) The figures are as below :— (c) action being taken by Government in this regard ? Y eat No. o f fatal accidents THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 1983 1313 MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC 1984 1400 GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI 1985 1423 BIREN SINGH ENGTI) : (a) to (c). Information is being collected and will be 1986 (upto 1120 laid on the Table of the House. 31.10.86)

The following steps have been taken to Proposas to import sophisticated minimise such accidents : — laboratory equipments to control pollution 1. Traffic Police has been making use of mass-media like the Radio/TV 1347. SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY : and the Press to inculcate a sense SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH of road discipline. MALIK : SHRI SUBHASH YADAV : 2. The Road Safety Cell of the Delhi Traffic Police imparts road safety Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT education to school children. AND FORESTS be pleased to state :

3. The driving licence is suspended for (a) whether there is any proposal under upto 1 80 days if the driver com- consideration of the Government of India mits more than three traffic viola- to import highly sophisticated laboratory tions or commits a fatal accident. equipments with a view of augmenting the water and air pollution monitoring facilities 4. Special drives to check traffic viola- in the country; and tions are being organised from time to time. (b) if so, the names of the foreign countries and what is the amount of foreign CBI raids on residences of senior exchange likely to be involved ? officers THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1346, SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY : MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : (a) and MALIK ; (t>)T‘ pilateral agr^m^nts have been made 13$ ten Answers KARlTKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Written Answers i 34 with Federal Republic of Germany and complete security in using the above European Economic Community for impor- facilities. The most common pene- ting sophisticated instruments to augment tration techniques are masquerading the water and air pollution monitoring evesdropping, piggy backing, bet- facilities in the country. No. foreign exchange ween line and line graving. is involved as the equipment is provided on gratis as part of the agreement. (iii) The safeguards to overcome these . penetration techniques could be Report of Balasubramanian provided through the physical facilities, encription, identification and Committee authentication, unique sequence numbers to the terminals, automatic 1348. SHRI MURLI DEORA : Will the disconnection and terminal identi- PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : fication. Each of these techniques provides certain degrees of protec- (a) whether with the new impetus given tion. to the role of computers in most areas of working, Government are taking adequate (iv) In addition certain hardware probes measures to detect and check computer could also be introduced to monitor crimes which are widely prevalent in the at random the system performance advanced, countries; and as well as infiltration into the system The degree of security (b) what are the findings/guidelines of system to be introduced will very tbe A. Balasubramanian Committee which much depend on the application and was asked to prepare a report on this ? user environment.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Pending applications of freedom MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND fighters TECHNOLOGY AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF 1349. SHRI UTTAM RATHOD : Will OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be plea&ed ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE. to state : (SHRI K. R. NARAYNAN) : (a) Yes, Sir. (a) total number of freedom fighters’ applications pending before the Home (b) A Committee of experts under theMinistry; Chairmanship of Maj-Gen. A. Balasubra- manian was set up in 1976 to study security (b) whether the amenities given to those measures and suggest methods for ensuring pensioners regarding railway passes are not security of data/information generated while being implemented; and using EDP equipment. This Committee had suggested the following guidelines : (c) if so, the reasons thereof ?

(i) Terminals for remote areas could THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE be tele-type, CR1 terminals, inteli- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI gence terminals, mini-computers,RJE CHINTAMANI PAN1GRAHI) : (a) The systems, automatic teller machines, number of pending applications as on 31.10. etc. These machines are used for 86 is 5727, out of which 1535 cases are of data entry and output generations. general category 2927 are from persons who In view of this, necessary security at have claimed to have taken part in the strug- terminal level and also at the com- gle against erstwhile Nizam State of Hydera- munication line is required. bad which are to be scrutinised by the Non^Ofjicial Screening Committee set up at (ii) Communication lines could be dial- the Central level and 1265 received in May up, leased satellite or radio micro- and June, 1986 are from the participants of wave links. It is difficult to achieve Arya Samaj Movement which has rcccnily t i35 Written Answers NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Written Answer* 136

been recognised for the purpose of Samman THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVE- Pension. The Arya Samaj cases will also be LOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELEC- decided by a separate Non-Official Screening TRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI K, R. Committee' which is being set up at the NARAYANAN) ; Indian Nuclear Plants Centre. have several layers of containments to prevent release of radioactivity. These consist (b) and (c). It was earlier decided by the of containment of primary fuel in a cladding Government to issue first class complimen- material which are themselves enclosed io a tary Cheque passes to freedom fighters strong container called Calandria. The drawing pension from the Central revenues. Calandria is then placed inside a concrete The Scheme came into effect from 1st vault. The concrete vault is further streng- November, 1985. The complimentary thened by an outer concrete structure. Cheque pass was valid for 6 months and the freedom fighter was also entitled to take his wife or, in the absence of wife, an attendant Central investment in Agriculture, in the same class. A number of freedom Power and Industry fighters drawing pension from the Central revenues had availed themselves of this 1351. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: facility* In tbe meanwhile on representations Will the Minister of PLANNING be. pleased from various quarters, the Government have to state the Central investment, Statewise and reconsidered this matter and it has now been year-wise, since the beginning of the Sixth decided to issue Complimentary Card passes Plan for Power, Industry and Agriculture ? instead of Complimentary Cheque passes to freedom fighters who are in receipt of pen- * sion from the Central revenues. The Scheme THE-MINISTER OF STATE IN THE will come into effect from 19th November, MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI SUKH 1986. Passes will be issued by the Ministry RAM) : The figures of Statewise Central of Railways from 19th November, 1986 to investment are not maintained in the Plan- 18th November, 1987 which will be valid ning Commission as Plan investment by the for one year for travel on Indian Railways Centre covers a wide range of both infra- from the date of issue. structural and social welfare services. However, Planning Commission has worked out, in consultation with the Ministries, some rough Holding back pressure of fission of estimates of State wise investment in these nuclear plants sectors during the Sixth Plan. A statement giving these figures is attached. 1350. SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA RAO : Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state the details regarding the As Central Plan investment is not plan- additional guard to regulate and control the ned or accounted Statewise, this compilation excess energy released by fission in the is based on certain assumptions. Further, in Indian nuclear plants ? view of large number of sources from which e data has been collected the statement THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE n at best help only in a dimensional appre- MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND I tCHNO c a I ion of the Central Sixth Plan investment LOGY AND MINISTER OF STATE IN in different States in these sectors. 13*7 Written Answers KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Written Answers 138

Statement

Distribution of Sixth Plan expenditure in the Central Sector 1980-85 in Agriculture, Industry and Power

(Rs. crores)

States/UTs Agriculture* Power Industry (including VSI)

A. States

1. Andhra Pradesh 100 634 2193

2. Assam 26 Neg. 754

3. Bihar 85 307 1177

4. Gujarat 94 138 889

5. Haryana 58 20 137 6. Himachal Pradesh 33 146 27

7. Jammu & Kashmir 8 257 28

8. Karnataka 77 37 747

9. Kerala 78 19 262

10. Madhya Pradesh 132 765 1.479

11. Maharashtra 151 40 1244

12. Manipur 10 63 5

13. Meghalaya 11 • A • 'i

14: Nagaland 2 Neg. 34

15, Orissa 65 30 1855

16. Punjab 68 23 117 17. Rajasthan 80 53 261 18* Sikkim 2 1 1 19. Tamil Nadu 69 516 36 6 20. Tripura 7 Neg. 13 21. Uttar Pradesh 168 1130 327

22. West Bengal • 66 509 720

Total A. States 1390 4706 12639 139 Written Answer $ NOVEMBER l2f 1986Written Aniwer? 140

1 2 3 4

B. Union Territories

1. Andaman & Nicobar 3 1

2. Arunachal Pradesh 4 • • • 2 3. Chandigarh 1 Neg. 2

4. Dadra and Nagar Haveli Neg. • • • • • •

5. Delhi 16 77 53

6. Goa, Daman & Diu 2 20 1

7. Lakshadweep Neg. « • • 2

8. Mizoram 3 2 9

9. Pondicherry 1 3 • • •

Total B. Union Territories 30 102 70

C. Unallocated 193 31 452 1647*

Total A + B 4-C 3353 4853 14356

l 1 includes an unallocate (’ amount of Rs. 1118 crores for Department of Banking, Rs. 478 crores for Ministry of Agriculture and Cooperation, Rs. 225 crores for Department of Food, and Rs. 112 crores for Department of Commerce. 2* includes an unallocated amount of Rs. 45 crores for ancillary facilities. 3* includes Rs. 466 crores for IDBI, Rs. 187 crores for EXIM Bank, Rs. 150 crores for IRBI, Rs. 106 crores for Replacement and Renewals R & D, Township etc. for BHEL, Rs. 93 crores for Geological Survey of India, Rs. 123 crores for Small Industries Development Organisation, Rs. 141 crores for KVIC and Rs. 58 crores for Credit Guarantee Scheme.

^Excludes an amount of Rs. 3 crores for Nutrition. Neg. Negligible.

The above figures do not include central assistance given for State Plans.

Per capita Investment in different during the first two years of Seventh Plan so States far ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1352. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEfi: MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI SUKH Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased RAM) : The figures of Central investment to state the per capita investment by the io different States during the first two years Union Government io the different States of the Seventh Plan are not available, 141 Written Answers KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Written Answers 142

Colour service in the armed forces slums on Defence lands in Bombay by the Maharashtra Government. 1353. SHRIMATI KISHORI SINHA : Will the Minister of DEFENCE be- pleased [Translation] to state : Security belt to check spying and (a) whether increasing of colour service smuggling from 7 to 17th years has resulted in dissatis- faction in the armed forces; and « 1355. SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL : SHRI DlLEEP SINGH (b) if so, Government’s reaction there- BHURIA : on ? Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE be pleased to state : DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINIS- (a) whether Government have considered TRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI ARKJN the proposal to set up a security belt to SINGH): (a) No, Sir. check smuggling and spying in the western border areas of Rajasthan; (b) Does not arise, (b) if so, whether Government have taken any decision in this regard; and Civic amenities to Slum dwellers of land belonging to Defence in Bombay (c) if so, the details thereof and if no decision has been taken, the reasons 1354. SHRI GURUDAS KAMAT therefor : ? Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state : THF MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC (a) whether Government have received GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND any suggestion from the Government of MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- Maharashtra for issue of ‘No objection certi- TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P. ficate’ for providing civic amenities to the CHIDAMBARAM) : (a), (b) and (c). On slum dwellers of the land belonging to the 13th August, 1986, the Rajya Sabha Defence in Bombay; adopted a Resolution under Article 249 of the Constitution enabling Parliament to (b) if so, the progress made in this make laws in respect of the matters enume- regard; and rated therein in order to deal with the situation in Punjab and other areas in the (c) the time by which ‘No objection North West Borders of India. Legislation certificate’ is likely to be issued by the Union in pursuance of the Resolution is under Government ? examination.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Gap between demand and supply of DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RESEARCH firewood, timber and fodder AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINIS- TRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI ARUN 1356. SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL: SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS be pleased to state : (b) and (c). The matter has been considered and the State Government of Maha- (a) whether Government have received rashtra apprised that, except for certain areas any memorandum from the Tourism and required urgently for specific Defence projects, Wildlife Society of India in connection with the Government of India have no objection declaring of private forests and tree planta- to the provision of civic amenities to all tion as an industry; 143 Written Answers NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Written Answers 144

(b) if so, action taken by the Govern- (c) and (d). The State Government has ment so far in this regard; and standing instructions to expel/push back unauthorised Bangladesh Nationals as and (c) if no action has been taken as yet, when detected. the reasons therefor ? Special examination for ad-hoc THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE employees MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : (a) Yes, 1358. SHRI SIMON TIGGA : Will Sir. the.PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state:

(b) and (c). As important policy issues (a) whether Government have issued are involved, the matter is under considera- directives asking ad-hoc employees to appear tion of tbe Government. for a special examination to be held in December, 1986; [English] -(b) if so, what is the number of Infiltration of Bangladesh is in Orissa employees involved; and

(c) criterion fixed in this regard ? 1357. SHRI SRIBALLAV PANIGRAHI: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE pleased to state : MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND (a) whether Union Government have MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- sought reports from the State of Orissa TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P. regarding the infiltration of Bangladesh is in CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) A Special Qualify- the State of Orissa; ing Examination is proposed to be held in early 198 7 for ad-hoc LDCs, Telephone (b) if so, the details thereof alongwith Operators, Grade ‘D’ Stenographers etc. the number of persons at present in the with a view to giving them a last and final districts of Cuttack and Balasore as well as opportunity to qualify for appointment on a seashore areas and since when; regular basis.

(c) whether Union Government have (b) The number of employees involved taken initiative regarding their being sent is rot available. back to Bangladesh; and (c) The conditions of eligibility for the (d) if so, the details thereof ? aforesaid examination are set out in the statement given below.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Statement MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- Conditions of eligibility : The Special TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P. Qualifying Examination, 1987 would be CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) and (b). As per open to such of the ad-hoc LDCs, Telephone the available information received from Operators, Stenographers Grade ‘D’ who State Government there has not been any satisfy the following conditions : largo scale influx from Bangladesh into Orissa in recent years. -No statistics in this (I) He/She must have passed the Matri- regard are compiled by the Union Govern- culation Examination; ment. The number of such persons in Cuttack, Balasore Districts and other areas (II) He/She must have been recruited of Orissa are, therefore not available. through the Employment Exchange; 145 Written Answers KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAK A) Written Answers 146

(III) (a) (i) He/She did not or could not Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND appear in the Special Qualify- FORESTS be pleased to state : ing Examination, 1985 held on 28.7.1985 because he/she (a) the number of villages which have did not satisfy conditions of been served notices to vacate their homestead eligibility laid down in the land for ‘Project Tiger* under Simlipal Tiger Scheme of that Examination Projcct in Mayurbhanj. Orissa;- and had been within the age limit ■ for appearing in the (b) the alternative arrangement made Clerk* Grade Open Competi- for their rehabilitation; and tive Examination of the Staff Selection Commission at the (c) the criteria of compensaiion for time of the initial continuous land, house, agriculture farm etc. fixed by appointment as daily-rated Government ? employee followed by appointment as ad-hoc employee THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE without any discontinuity; and MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND (ii) had rendered as on 1.185 FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : (a) one year’s continuous service Government of India has not served such including (a) service as daily- notices. rated employee (ignoring the (b) Does not arise. periods of technical breaks) and (b) service as ad-hoc (c) In cases where villagers agree to employee; exchange their land and settle outside a ‘Tiger Reserve’, criteria and quantum of • OR b compensation and other facilities to be (iii) He/She had completed one provided to such villagers is decided by the year’s ad-hoc service (includ- State Government. The Government of ing service as daily-rated India, on the demand of the State Govern- employees followed by-ad-hoc ment, provides cent per cent financial appointment) during the period assistance under the Project Tiger, for their from 1.1.85 to 30.9.86 resettlement. including those ad-hoc appoin- tees whose services were [Translation} terminated during tbe period from 1st January, 1985 Proposals for construction work in to the 30th September, 1986 Almora and Pithoragarh districts of for reasons not connected U.P. under Forest, Conservation, with misconduct or general Act, 1980 unsuitability and who rendered at least one year’s ad-hoc 1360. SHRI HARISH RAW AT : Will service before such termi- the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND nation. FORESTS be pleased to state :

Note : Candidates who appeared in the (a) the number of proposal for construc- Special Qualifying Examination held tion works received by his ministry from in 1982, 1983 and 1985 as eligible Almora and Pithoragarh districts of Uttar candidates and failed to qualify shall Pradesh during the past three months for not be eligible to take the Special according prior approval by the Central Qualifying Examination, 1987. Government under tbe Forest (Conservation) Act, 1980; Land for Project Tigfcr under Simlipal Tiger Project (b) the details of these proposals and the time by which decisions on these pro- 1359. SHRI ANADI CHARAN DAS : posals are likely to be taken; and 147 Written Answers NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Written Answers 148

(c) the shortcomings in the proposalsdistrict and one proposal pertaining to which have been received more than once Pithoragarh district were received during for the approval of Union Government the months of August, September and under the Forest (Conservation) Act, 1980 October, 1986 from the above two districts of U.P. ? (b) Details of the proposals are given in statement below. All the thirteen proposals THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE have .been approved by the Government of MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND India. FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : (a) Twelve proposals pertaining to Almora (c) Does not arise.

% Statement

Proposals for diversion o f forest lands in Almora and Pithoragarh districts received daring the months of August, September and October, 1986

SI. District Purpose for diversion Date of issue of No. approval

1. Almora Khalikhan Canal 28 8.1986

2. Almora Dewaldhar-Girichina motor road 8.9.1986

3. Almora Sanj Bhatko Tank Project 28.8.1986

4. Almora Neoni drinking water scheme 9.9.1986

5. Almora Bhakura Talla Lift Irrigation Project 9.9.1986

6. Almora Kalikhan Canal 22.9.1986

7. Almora Jakhane drinking water scheme 9.9.1986

8. Almora Bhikiasen-Barikot Petti Vinayak & Ganai Jaipasi motor road 14.10.1986

9. Almora Singoli drinking water scheme 19.9.1986

10. Almora Farica drinking water scheme 19.9.1986

11. Almora Titakot drinking water scheme 17.10.1986

12. Almora T.V. Relay Station 27.10.1986

13. Pithoragarh Police Radio Station 5.11.1986

[English] (a) whether there is any proposal under consideration of Government for construc- Construction of a tunnel at Rohtang tion of a tunnel at Rohtang to connect Leh to connect Lch with Ladakh with Ladakh so that a all-weather road could be built there; 1361. SHRI K. D. SULTANPURI : Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased (b) whether any survey in-this connec* £o state : tion has been undertaken; and 149 Written Answers RARTiKA 21, 1908 (.SAK.A) Writtea Answers 150

(c) if so, the total amount proposed to (c) Does not arise. be spent on this project and when the work is likely to be taken up and completed ? Statement THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE The undermentioned voluntary welfare RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT IN organisations in Himachal Pradesh are THE MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI receiving grants from the Welfare Ministry ARUN SINGH) : (a) There is a proposal of the Government of India. to construct a tunnel ar Rohtang in order to increase the period of availability of Leh- (1) Society for Social Uplift Action, Manali road to traffic. Jagjit Nagar, Solan.

(b) Certain preliminary studies relating (2) Divya Manav Jyoti Anathalaya, to the construction of the tunnel have been Doha, Mandi. conducted. However, a detailed feasibility study has not so far been undertaken. (3) H.P. State Council for Child Welfare, Mini Secretariat, Shimla (c) It is premature to give any indication (HP.). regarding the cost or likely commencement of the works. (4) Hind Kusht Nivaran Sangh, Shimla. Welfare organisation in H.P.

1362. SHRI K. D. SULTANPURI : Prosecutions under protection of Civil Will the Minister of WELFARE be pleased Rights Act to state : 1 363. SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN : (a) the names of the voluntary welfare Will the Minister of WELFARE be pleased organisations in Himachal Pradesh receiving to state : grants from the Social Welfare Department of Government of India; (a) the number of prosecutions made under the Protection of Civil Rights Act (b) whether Government have received during 1985-86 State-wise; complaints regarding misuse of funds by these welfare organisations; and (b) number of cases decided during the (c) if so, the action taken by Govern- years; and ment against these organisations ? (c) number of persons penalised under THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE the Act during the year ? MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO) : (a) A statement THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE is given below. MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO) : (a) to (c). A (b) No, Sir. statement is given below, 151 Written Answers NOVEMBER 12. 1986 Written Answers 152

Statement

Statement showing the number o f cases challatted in the Court, number o f cases disposed o f by the Court and number o f cases ending in conviction under the Protection o f Civil Rights Act, 1955 during the calander year 1985 (based on the information received from the various State Governments/UT Administrations)

SI. Name of State/UT Number of Cases No. Challaned in Disposed of by Ending in the Court the Court conviction

1. Andhra Pradesh N.A. N.A. N.A. 2. Assam N.A. N.A, N.A. 3. Bihar N.A. N.A. N.A. 4. Gujarat 153 143 15

5. Haryana 2 1 • • • 6. Himachal Pradesh 3 3 • • • 7. Jammu & Kashmir N.A. N.A. N.A. 8. Karnataka 506 164 4 9. Kerala 24 31* 1 10. Madhya Pradesh N.A. N.A. N.A. 1 1. Maharashtra 281 565* 104 12. Manipur Nil Nil Nil 13. Meghalaya Nil Nil Nil 14. Mizoram ~ Nil Nil Nil 15. Nagaland Nil Nil Nil 16. Orissa 66 32 2

17. Punjab I • M 18. Rajasthan 108 55 38 19. Sikkim Nil Nil Nil 20. Tamil Nadu 944 1032* 50 21. Tripura Nil ton Nil 22. Uttar Pradesh 122 100, 41 23. West Bengal Nil Nil Nil

Union Territories

1. Andaman & Nicobar NH Nil Nil 2. Arunachal Pradesh N 1 Nil Nil 3. Chandigarh Nil Nil Nil 4. Dadra & Nagar Haveli Nil Nil Nil 5. Delhi 7 4 1

6. Goa, Daman and Diu 1 • i • M« 7. Lakshadweep Nil Nil Nil 8. Pondicherry 11 8 2

* Includes the cases of previosu year. N.A.—Not available. 153 Written Answer* FCARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Written Answers 154

Competitive examinations conducted (b) whether the situation has been exami- by Staff Selection Commission ned and analysed by Government and non- Government organisations and if so, results 1364. SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN : thereof and action proposed ? Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI (a) the details of competitive examina- GIRIDHAR GOMANGO) : (a) Yes, Sir. tions conducted by the Staff Selection Com- mission during 1985-86; (b) Results of any such surveys are not available. However, the Government have (b) the number of candidates who taken a number of legal, welfare and publi* appeared, the number of persons who were city measures to counter—act the problem of selected and the number of persons finally drug abuse. recruited in each case; and

(c) break up of the candidates who Letter by GNLF Leader to King of appeared in the examinations and those Nepal finally selected, State/Union Territory-wise ?

1366. SHRI SAIFUDD1N CHOW- THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE DHARY : Will the Minister of HOME MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC AFFAIRS be pleased to state : GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI BIREN SINGH ENGTI) : (a) The required information is given in statement-1 laid on fa) whether Leader of the Gorkha the Table of the House. (Placed in Library. National Liberation Front had written a See No. LT— 3205/86]. letter to the King of Nepal on 23 December, 1983 about their demands, also whether (b) The number of candidates appeared copies of the same was sent to the heads of and selected in each case is given in state- different countries including U. N. O.; ment-II laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in Library. See No. LT— 3205/86]. (b) if so, what are the contents of the Since the Staff Selection Commission only letter; and recommends the successful candidates to the user Departments for appointment and the (c) what action Government are contem- actual offers of appointment arc made by the plating in this regard ? various appointing authorities of different offices, no centralised information regarding THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the number of successful candidates actually MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC appointed by the various Ministries/Depart- GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND ments is available. MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI (c) The required information is given in P. CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) to (c). The statemcnt-III to VIII laid on the Table of Gorkha National Liberation Front submitted the House. [Placed in Library. See No. a Memorandum to the King of Nepal on LT—3205/86]. December 23, 1983. Later they sent copies of the same to the UN Secretary—General Drug abuse and Heads of some Governments. A copy of the Memorandum (English version) is 1365. SHRI MANIK REDDY : Will the given below. In his letter of September 15, Minister of WELFARE be pleased to state: 1986, to the Union Home Minister Shri Subhash Ghissing has regretted any mis- (a) whether Government is concerned atapprehension or doubt caused by sending the increased drug abuse in the country and Memorandum to the U. N. and some also law and under problems arising there Governments. He has made assurances of from; and total loyalty to India, 155 Written Answers NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Written Answers 156

Memorandum from the land of vivisected country of Nepal to the various parts of Indian soil and the To parts of their own ceded land of Sugaulee treaty and the parts of Rajabhatkhuwa Treaty His Majesty the King Birendra Bir Bikram on 11th November, 1965 and thereafter Shadev, Narayan Hiti King Palace, from the year of 18 85 the Gorkhas were Kathmandu, Nepal. officially allowed to join in the British troops by the written agreement of the then British Benign Sir, Government and Nepal and this the real history of 10th Gorkha Battalion was started Even thirty-six years after Bharat Inde- from the year 1890 in the soil of foreign pendence the settled ethnic race of the country and thereafter the aforesaid Gorkhas Gorkhas of more than six millions are living of three categories and thoroughly censused as degraded human beings in every parts of and the year of 1891 and made them Nepal the country of India and the parts of their subjects or national under the direct suze-. own ceded land of Sugaulee Treaty by rainty of his Majesty the King of Nepal by surrendering their national spirit, national the concluded reciprocal treaty of 21st identity, historical pride and their homeland December, 1923 of the then British Govern- and destiny, and further they became the ment and Nepal and further * just after the naked victims of foreign national issue depor- end of World War-II one of tbe main res- tation issue and unnecessary police torture, ponsible signatory of the past treaties and arrests, raids, killings and continuous undesi- agreements Britisher themselves gone back rable inhuman acts of deligrate imposition of to their own country of England having deci- systematic domination of other Indian races. ded only the fate and fortune of the Hindus And under such cruel pressures of racial and Muslims of Indian origin by creating segregated atmosphere and directly denial of two separate independent countries of Bharat justice of liberty, equality, fraternity and and Pakistan and the said Gorkhas and their opportunity the Gorkha National Liberation ceded land and territories were left at the Front had to be formed to meet the above cross roads of cyclic stage of self destruction cruel challange of a series of apartheid and from the date of 15th August *47 without genocide crimes done by the state and central revoking and suspending the past treaties and Governments of India since Bharat Indepen- agreements of the then British Government dence and further to ventilate the same view and Nepal or without deciding or confirming points of the said untold tragedies of the the future status of the said ethnic Gorkhas Gorkhas to the International forum. This and their ceded land by the legal act of organisation was compelled to appeal to the Plebiscite of the act of handing over either real historical court of your Majesty in the to the Government of Nepal or India; and context of dire consequences of the past this type of unjustifiable act of the then treaties and agreements of the then British quitting British Government utterly disregar- Government and Nepal that the aboriginally ded the general moral obligations of the said inhabiting Gorkhas became in serious false international treaties and agreements further position when their historic lands and terri- created bitter feelings of terrible confusion tories were mercilessly ceded to the land of doubts controversies in the minds of the British Empire by the Treaty of Sugaulee on whole settled ethnic race of the Gorkhas in 2nd December, 1815 and thereafter a large present Independent country of India— who number of the frustrated Gorkha spontene- are the most ignorant of the true facts of the ously left their humiliated country with their past treaties and agreements of the then wounded hearts and mental agony due to British Government and Nepal and under serious repercussions of the said damaging such complexities and deep rooted illusion treaty of Sugaulee and tbe cruel atmosphere they have unknowingly considered themselves of internal political turmoils of the country as the true citizens or inhabitants of Indepen- of Nepal and further they joined in the dent Union of India and India as their British troops as soldiers and as labourers motherland or country since Independence in the coal fields, oil fields and tea gardens just after three years of Bharat Independence without any official sanctions of the Nepal the Indo-Nepal Treaty of 21st July, 1950 Government and this type of mass exodus and British-Nepal Treaty of 30th October, continued from the year of 1316 to 1834 1950 also did virtually nothing to repair the 157 Written Answers KART1KA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Written Answert 158 damaged fate of the said Gorkhas and vis-a- Copy to the Presidents : vis their Ceded land and territories and fevoked exactly the same damaging terms and 1. President of America. conditions of the said past treaties and agreements of the then British Government 2. President of U. S. S: R. and Nepal; and such as act of inhutnan of 3. President of France. these two. merciless treaties has directly viola- 4. President of India ted the very principle of right of self determination proclaimed by the President Woodrew 5. President of Pakistan. Wilson, in his 14-points programme on 8th 6. President of Bangladesh. January, 1919 on the face of the Inter- national Peace Treaty and at the same time 7. President of Shree Lanka. violated the very principle and essence of Universal Declaration of Human Rights Copy to the Prime Ministers : adopted by the General Assembly of the United Nations On 10ih December, 1948; 1. Prime Minister of1 India. and thus permanently sealed the fate of the 2. Prime Minister of China whole settled Gorkhas in present Independent India by sustaining the same old dehumaniz- 3. Prime Minister of Great Britain. ing cruel method of out fated colonialism, 4. Prime Minister of Nepal. feadism, barbarism and fraudism that tbe * Gorkhas were perpetually subjected to fight Copy to His/her Majesty io the King/Queen/' the wars of other countries by losing every- Prince : thing of their own of National Indcntity, Political safeguard and their historical home 1. His Majesty the King of Nepal. land and destiny. 2. His Majesty the King of Bhutan. As such seriously keeping in view of 3- Her Majesty the Queen of Great above mentioned unpardonable historical Britain. crimes against huminity or still unresolved question of very political existence of future 4. His Majesty the Prince of Nepal status of tbe said Gorkhas in Indian Union (Gyanendra). the above three responsible signatories countries of Nepal, Bharat and British have been 5. U. S. Secretary General, U. N. O. urged to abrogate the said existing Indo- (New York), America. Nepal and Indo-British treaties of 1950 and further adopt a fresh a new treaties for a And others : permanent political settlement of the said victimised Gorkhas as per mentioned in the 1. Ex-Prime Minister Suryabahadur provisions of the charter of United Nations Thapa. and also confirm accordingly the future status of their ceded land and territories and for 2. Ex-Prime Minister Dr. Tulshi Giri. this serious burning ethnic issue of the said Gorkhas the Gorkha National Liberation 3. Ex-Prime Minister Kirtinidhi Bista. Front submits this memorandum to the true 4. Supreme Court Advocate Sambbu and dynamic leadership of your Majesty to Prasad Gawali. take up a bdd step for historical decision and your Majesty’s selomonic judgement. 5. Supreme Court Advocate Krishna Prasad Panth. Now the verdict lies with your Majesty. 6. Supreme Court Advocate Krishan For and on behalf of the Gorkha Prasad Bhandari. National Liberation Front. 7. Harkabahadur Gurung Ex-Minister. Subbash Ghissing, 23.12.83 President G. N. L. F., 8. Intellectual and Writers and Press Gorkb&land, Bh^rgt, Reporters. 159 Written Answers NOVEMBER 12, 1986 M itten Answers 160

Joint venture in electronics Receipt of foreign funds by some organisations 1367. SHRIMATI MADHUREE SINGH ; Will the PRIME MINISTER be 1368. SHRI BAJU BAN RIYAN : Will pleased to state : the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state : (a) whether at a meeting of the Indo- US Chamber of Commerce meeting views (a) whether the following institutions were expressed that there is much scope for have been receiving foreign funds under the joint ventures in electronics and that leading Foreign Contribution (Regulation) Act during US companies were interested in helping the years 1981 to 1984; (i) Vishwa Yuvak large scale investment in component manufac- Kendra, New Delhi, (ii) Institute for Youth turing industries; and Development, Bangalore, (iii) Centre for Youth and Social Development, Bhubaneswar, (b) if so, the details thereof and (iv) Indian Institute of Youth Welfare, reaction of Government thereto ? Nagpur; * *

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if so, the amount received year-wise MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- in each case; and LOGY AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVE- (c) the countries from where the funds LOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELEC- have originated and the names of organisa- TRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI K. R. tions which have contributed the same ? NARAYANAN) : (a) and (b). In a Seminar organised by the Indo American Chambers of Commerce held in February, 1986 a THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE general view was expressed that India MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC offers great scope for investment and techno- GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND logy transfer opportunities in the field of MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- electronic, components and computers. How- TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) Yes Sir. ever, there was no reference to US companies evincing interest in making large scale investment in component manufacturing industries (b) and (c). The information is given in India. below. Statement

List showing the names and amoun t o f foreign funds reported to have been received by certain voluntary organisations during 1981, 1982, 1983 and 1984

SI. No. Name of organisation Amount received in (Rs.) Name and country of Donors 1981 1982 1983 1984

1. Vishwa Yuvak Kendra Does not figure on our records New Delhi

Institute for Youth 2,07,981.75 6,46,647.00 6,54,652.10 7,62,761.95 Institute for Inter- Development, national and partner- Bangalore ship Konrad West Germany. Stiching Hivas programme financing Din Haag. \ Missions ZMTEL DN Frengiskann West Germany.

3. Indian Institute of Youth 2,47,423.15 6,10,778.15 1 1.59,063.57 Not reported International Insti- Welfare, 230, Hill Road, by the tute of partnership Nagpur Association West Germany

4. Centre for Youth and Not reported by the Association 950.00 OXFAM (INDIA) Social Development, Trust 274, Banbury Bhubaneshwar Road OXFord, OXZ 7DZ, U. K. 163 Written Answer* NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Written Answers 164

Double verification of antecedents of internal combustion engine vehicles in the country ? • 1369. SHRI THAMPAN THOMAS : Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE state : MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : (a) No, Sir; however, smoke analysers have been (a) whether it has come to thl notice of installed in some of the metropolitan cities Government that the Supreme Court set and industrial areas. aside the order of double verification of antecedents of persons from Kerala, West (b) No specific study has been made in Bengal and Tripura- selected to serve in Central Government establishments; and this regard; however, it is well-known that two-stroke engines do increase air pollution. (b) the steps taken by Government (c) Emission standards for petrol and on the basis of the Supreme Court decision ? diesel driven vehicles have been prescribed and the State Governments have been advis- THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE ed to enforce the standards under the Motor MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC Vehicles Act. The question of the number of GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI two-stroke engine vehicles must be viewed in BIREN SINGH ENGTI) : (a,! Yes, Sir. the context of the urban commuter traffic problems in each city. (b) The Supreme Court in its judgement delivered on 26th August 19N6 held thal the practice evolved by the Central Government (d) The break-up of the number of for special verification of character and motor vehicles on road as in 1982-83 is as antecedents of the candidates from the States follows: of Kerala, West Bengal and Tripura for recruitment to Central Services, was violative Type of Vehicle Number in of Article 14 of the Constitution and that it Thousands was discriminatory. Government of India / have, therefore, withdrawn the spccial verification procedure in respect of candidates Two wheelers 3519 hailing from these States by an order issued Auto-rickshaws 182 on the 4th September, 1986. (including tempos) Jeeps 154

Pollution Acaused by Automobile Cars 1061 Taxies 136 1370. DR. G. VIJAYA RAMA RAO : , Buses 178 Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND Goods Vehicle 696 FORESTS be pleased to state : Miscellaneous 793 (a) whether there are any plans to instal smoke analysers throughout ihe country to Total Vehicles : 6719 check air pollution which is on the increase;

(b) whether air pollution has increased Foreign contributions to organisations due to spectacular increase in mopeds, in Bhopal after gas tragedy autorickshaws, motor-cycles etc. which use mobile oil with petrol; 1371. SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE : (c) if so, how is air pollution to be SHRI INDRA3IT GUPTA : controlled; and Will the Minister ol* fiQME AFFAIRS (d) what is the breakups total number be pleased to state ; 165 Written Answers RART1KA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Written Answer* 166

(a) whether after the gas tragedy a number^Contribution (Regulation) Act for receiving of Medical, educational institutions have foreign assistance after the gas tragedy of been established in Bhopal which receive which the first named organisation has since financial and other kinds of help from foreign been prohibited from receiving the funds. countries; (d) No information has been received (b) if so, the details thereof; regarding the hospital having been set up with the aid of Union Carbide Corporation. (c) whether Government are keeping a (e) Does not arise. watch on the functioning and activities of these institutions; Implementation of Assam Accord (d) whether it is a fact that a hospital set up with the aid of Union Carbide Corpo- 1372. SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI : ration in Bhopal has since been closed down; Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be and pleased to state : (e) if so, the details thereof ? (a) which clauses of the Assam Accord have not been implemented so far; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC (b) what are the difficulties in implement- GRIEVANCES AMD PENSIONS AND ing these clauses and when are these likely to MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- be implemented ? TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P, CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) to (c). Three organisations, namely, Bhopal Technical and THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS Vocational Training Centre (BTVTVC), (S. BUTA SINGH) : (a) and (b). A state- Carbide Employees Sponsored Relief Trust, ment showing the clause wise progress of the Bhopal and Gas Peedhit Rahat Samiti implementation of Assam Accord is given Bhopal were registered under the Foreign below :

Statement

Implementation o f the Assam Accord

SI. No. of Text Progress Accord

5.2 All persons who came to Assam The citizenship (Amendment) Act, 1985 prior to 1,1.66 including those has come into force with effect from amongst them whose names appeared 7.12.85. The Citizenship (Amendment) on the electoral rolls used in 1967 Rules, 1986 and amendment to the elections, shall be regularised. Foreigners (Tribunals) Order, 1964 have been notified on 15.1.86 to give effect to the provisions of this Act in respect of 1.1.66 to 24.3.71 entrants, 167 Written Answer* NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Written Answeri 168

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5.3 Foreigners who came to Assam after Necessary guidelines have been issued to 1.1.66 (inclusive) and upto 24th the State Government who have started March, 1971 shall be detected in the work of detection. accordance with the provisions of the Foreigners Act, 1946 and Foreigners (Tribunal) Order, 1564.

5.4 Names of Foreigners detected will be detailed from tbe electoral rolls in force.

Such presons will be required to register themselves before the Necessary guidelines have been issued to Registration Officers of the respective take up this work. districts in accordance with the provisions of the Registration of Foreigners Act, 1939 and the Registration of Foreigners Rules, 1939.

5.5 For this Purpose, Government of Sanction has been accorded and conveyed India will undertake suitable streng- to the State Government to the creation thening bf the governmental machi- of 18 additional posts in the rank of nery. S. P. for appointment as Special Regis- tration Officers together with nucleus staff and. purchase of vehicles.

5.6 On the expiry of a period of ten To be undertaken in due course. years following the date of detection, the names of all such persons which have been deleted from the electoral rolls shall be restored.

5.7. All persons who were expelled earlier, This is a continuing process. The State but have since re-entered illegally Government of Assam have informed into Assam, shall be exrelled. that they are examining a proposal made by DG, Police Assam for further inten- sifying the proctss.

5.8 Foreigners who came to Assam on This is also a continuing process. The or after March, 25, 1971 shall State Government have been requested continue to be detected, deleted and to give it a push. expelled in accordance with law, immediate and practical steps shall be taken to expell such foreigners. 169 Written Answers KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Written Answers 170

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5.9 The Government will give due con- A proposal for amendments to the sideration to certain difficulties Illegal migrants (Determination by Tri- expressed by the AASU/AAGSP bunals) Act, 1983 is being examined in regarding the implementation of the consultation with the State Government. Illegal Migrants (Determination by Tribunals) Act, 1983.

6. Constitutional, legislative and ad- A proposal has been received very ministrative safeguards, as may be recently from the State Government. appropriate, shall be provided to protect, preserve and promote the cultural, social, linguistic identity and heritage of the Assamese people.

7. The Government take this opportu- Planning Commission are giving due nity to review their commitment for consideration for the speedy all round the speedy all round economic deve- economic development of Assam. The # lopment of Assam, so as to improve Assam’s Seventh Plan Outlay has been the standard of living of the people, finalised at Rs. 2100 crores as against Special emphasis will be placed on the Sixth Plan outlay of Rs. 1115 crore*. education and Science and technology ih e plan would be almost wholly through establishment of national financed through Central Assistance institution. amounting to Rs. 2065 crores.

8.1 The Government will arrange for the Tbe power of issuing citizenship certi- issue of citizenship certificates in ficate has been withdrawn from tbe future only by the authorities of the collectors of the Districts. This power Central Government. would henceforth vest only in the Central Government.

8.2 Specific complaints that may be No complaints have been received so far. made by the AASU/AAGSP about irregular issuance of Indian Citizen- ship Certificates (ICC) will be looked into.

9.1 The International border shall be It has been decided first to construct made secure against future infiltra- a jeepable road all along the Indo* tion by erection of physical barriers Bangladesh border. Assam PWD are like walls, barbed wire fencing undertaking survey work for the road and other obstacles at appropriate in Assam sector of the border. CPWD places. Patrolling by security forces and Border Roads Organisation have on land and reverine routes all been entrusted with this work in other along with international border shall sectors. The question of border fence 171 Written Answers NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Written Answers 172

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be adequately intensified. 'In order will be taken up after construction of to further strengthen the security roads. arrangements, to prevent affectively future infiltration, an adequate number of checkposts shall be set up.

9.2 Besides the arrangements mentioned A plan to strengthen the net work of above and keeping in view security BSF border outposts and observation considerations, a road all along the to wars and equip them with necessary international border shall be cons- anti-infiltration devices and vehicles for tructed so as to facilitate patrolling intensive round-the-Clock vigil and by security forces. Land between patrolling has been taken up for imple- border and the road would be kept mentation. free of human habitation, wherever possible. Reverine patrolling along the international border would be intensified. All effective measures would be adopted to prevent infiltrators crossing or attempting to cross the international border.

10. It will be ensured that relevant laws According to the Stale Government, the for prevention of encroachment of existing laws arc sufficient and would be Government lands in tribal belts strictly enforced. and blocks are strictly enforced and unauthorised encroachers evicted as laid down under such laws.

11. It will be ensured that relevant law State Government is initiating action in restricting acquisition of immovable this regard. property by foreigners in Assam is strictly enforced.

12. It will be ensured that Birth and According to the State Government the Death Registers are duly maintained. existing system of registration of births and deaths in Assam has been replaced by a revised system for ensuring proper maintenance of the Birth and Death Registers.

13. AASU/AAGSP call off the agitation The agitation was called off. assure full cooperation and dedicate themselves towards the development of tbe country. 173 Written Answers KARTIKA 21. 1908 (SAKA) Writ tee Animus 174

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14. The Central and the State Govern- According to'information received, the ment have agreed to : State Government and the Central (a) Review with sympathy and Ministries/Departments concerned have withdraw cases of disciplinary reviewed the disciplinary cases of res- action against employees in the pective employees in connection with context of the agitation and to participation in the agitation. ensure that there is no victimi- sation.

(b ’ Frame a scheme for ex*gratia According to the State Government the payment to next kin of those next of kin of the perons killed/missing who were killed in the course in the course of the agitation have been of the agitation. paid ex-gratia grant @ Rs 5,000/- in each case. The Central Government have since agreed in principle to enhance this amount to Rs. 20,000/- in every case and requested the State Government to submit necessary proposal for reimburse- ment.

(c) Give sympathetic consideration Orders issued for general relaxation for to proposals for relaxation of 6 years for a period of 5 years by the the upper age limit for employ- State Government as well as the Central ment in public services in Government. Assam, having regard to exceptional situatipn that prevailed in holding of academic and competitive examinations etc. in the context of agitation in Assam.

(d) Undertake review of detention All the NSA detenus detained in connec- cases, if any, as well as cases tion with the agitation have been released. against persons charged with The criminal cases have also been revie- criminal offences in connection wed by the State Government. with the agitation, except those charged with Commission of heinous offences;

(e) Consider withdrawal of the State Government have withdrawn noti- prohibitory orders/notifications fication under the Assam Disturbed ■ in force, if any. Areas Act, 1955 through out the State except in cases of vital installations and Assam-Nagaland border area. Prohibi- tory orders under Section 144 Cr. P. C. have also been withdrawn. 175 Written Answers NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Written Answers 176

Implementation o f Assam accord regarding Para 3 o f the statement o f Home Minister on 15.8.85

Ref. No. Brief Subject Remarks

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Para-3

(a) The Election Commission will The Election Commission extended the be requested to ensure prepara- time by 30 days upto 27th September. tion of fair electoral rolls; 1985 for filing claims and objections to the draft electoral rolls.

(b) time for settlement of claims Ten Central observers were also deputed and objections to be extended to Assam to supervise the preparation of by 30 days, subject to this the electoral rolls. Electoral rolls finally being consistent with the elec- published on 7th November, 1985 and tion rules, and elections held in Assam on 16/12/1985.

be requested to send Central ■ Observers.

3(2) •

(a) to establish an oil refinery in The State Government have been advised Assam in the Private Sector, to identify suitable parties and to get a

* feasibility report prepared. Central Government will give necessary * assistance.

* (b) Central Government will render full assistance to the State Government in their efforts to re-opening; \

(i) Ashok Paper Mill Consultation are going on between the Central and the State Governments i concerned and the financial institutions regarding re-opening of the Ashok Paper s Mill. Meanwhile, Central Government have released ways and means advance of Rs. 2.84 crore for payment of past salaries and wages for emergent repairs pf plant buildings and equipments. Written Answers KARTIKA 21. 1908 (SARA) Wrtuen Answers 178

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(ii) Jute Mill The Central Government have agreed to provide Rs. 240.60 lakhs for the complete rehabilitation of the Mill, provided the State Government agree to provide by way of exemption or

otherwise Rs. 95.45 lakhs due towards payment of Sales Tax and Purchase Tax to the State Government.

Assam. Assam is under active consideration with the Ministry of Human Resource Deve- lopment who are pursuing this proposal in consultation with the State Govern- ment. A site near Gauhati has been

tentatively selected.

Foreign funds for People's Action for (b) The amount of foreign contribution Development (India) reported by PADI to have been received by them during the years 1980, 1981 and 1373. SHRI BAJU BAN RIYAN : Will1982 is as follows the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state *. Years Amount o f foreign contribution received in (Rs.)

(a) whether the People’s Action for ' 1980 2,05,14,462 63 Development (India) (PADI) has been receiving funds from abroad under the Foreign 1981' 38,33.549.25 Contribution (Regulation) Act for distribution to voluntary organisations; and 1982 6,91,685.00

(b) if so, the amounts so received by Receipt of foreign funds by some PADI for the years 1980, 1981 and 1982 7 organisations

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 1 ^74, SlJR1 ^ p "a FFA 1 RS^be THE MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL. Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be PUBLIC GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS Phased to state . AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE . MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI (a) whether the following organisations P. CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) Yes Sir, have been receiving funds from abroad under 179 Written Answers NOVEMBER 12, 1980 Written Answers 180

the Foreign Contribution (Regulation) Act (c) the names of the donor organisations in the years 1981 to 1984 : ' and the countries concerned ?

(i) Mysore Rural Development Asso- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ciation (MYRADA), Karnataka. MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND (ii) Bombay Urban Industrial League MINISTER OF STATE IN THE for Development (BUILD),Bombay, MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P..CHIDAMBARAM): (a) Yes Sir, How- (iii) PrQfessioDal Assistance for Develop- ever registered name in respect of SI. (iv) is ment Action, New Delhi. only Banwasi Seva Ashram of the same address. (iv) Agrindus Institute, Banwasi Seva Ashram, Distt. Mirzapur, U.P. (b) and (c). Information is given in the (b) if so, the amount received, year-statement below. wise; and Statement oo

« The names and amount of foreign funds reported to have been received by certain organisations during the years 1981 to 1984.

V <1 Amount of foreign contribution received in (Rs.) Name of Donor at No. Name of Organisation Organisation and 1981 1982 1983 1984 Country %

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 K- > 73 H 1. Mysore Rural Deve- Not reported by 46,61,173.00 87,38,230.79 25,83,647.80 Foster Parents Intdrnational Plan— J* lopment Association the Association. USA. > KJ (Myrada), Karnataka. M/s. Netherland Committee 1966— The Hague. s 00 M/s. Canadian Hunger Foundation, w Canada. % >- Canadian High Commission Canada.

Mrs. Rita Pauthurst England.

Tibetan Refugee Aid Society, Canada. a

North Row Trust Portmen Square, I London.

Stiching Vlunhteling Stadhauderslaan o» Netherland. b> OC 6 7 w • rte Answers Written M/s. Deutache Wethungerhilfo West Germany.

Board of Trustees Stadhauder- hauderslaan. The Hague. OEBR 2 1986 12. NOVEMBER Deutsche Cesellas Chaft Fur Tech* niche Zusammenerbtt West Germany.

Food for the Hungery Canada.

South Aisiq Partnership Canada.

2. Bombay Urban Indus- 10,67,119.09 16,35,299.23 15,18,321.68 19,69,518.37 Christian Aid, P.O. Box-1, London. trial League for Deve- Christian Conference of Asia-Urban lopment 11, Sujata Rural Mission, Hongkong. Housing Society SV DAGA, 5 7 Peking Road, Hongkong. Road, Bombay-50. United Churchs Canada, Canada.

Bread for the World Stull govt. West

Germany. Answers Written

World Cynal of Churches, Switraland.

3. Professional Assistance Hot reported by the Association, 4,76,657.40 Ford Foundation 320 East 43rd for Development Streed New York-10017 USA. Action, New Delhi. * IDRC of Canada, 11 Jorbagh, New Delhi-110003.

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Overstaying of foreign nationals (b) and (c). The State Government of Maharashtra has to take action to speed up the project. 1375. SHRI ANANTA PRASAD SETHI : SHRI JAGANNATH PATTNAIK : Steps to prevent property tax evasion in Delhi Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state : 1377. SHRI MAHENDRA SINGH : Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be (a) whether some foreign nationals have pleased to state: m been detected in various States who were living in the country beyond the expiry period (a) whether based on a study report of of their visa; and the Department of Administrative Reforms and Public Grievances, various steps including amending the Municipal Corporation of (b) if so, the details in this regard ? Delhi Act are being taken to prevent property tax evasion in Delhi effectively; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC (b) if so, the steps taken/proposed to be GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND taken in this regard; and MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI (c) details of tbe recommendation con- P. CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) and (b). tained in the study report in this regard ? As and when any foreign national is detected living in the country unautborisedly beyond expiry period of bis visa, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE action under the law is initiated. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFATRS (SHRI State Governments have been delegated CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI) : (a) to (c). powers in this regard. No statistics in this The Study Report, which was received in regard are maintained by the Central December, 1985, is under consideration of Government. the Delhi Municipal Corporation. No decision has yet been taken about carrying out the amendment of the DMC Act, 1957 to Marine Park Project at Malwan delete proviso to section 126(1), as suggested in the Study Report.

1376. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND Deaths in Bharat Electronics Limited, FORESTS be pleased to state : Sahibabad, U. P.

(a) whether clearance has been given to 1378. DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI : tbe 'Marine Park* Project at Malwan on the Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased Konkan coast of Maharashtra; to state :

(b) if so, steps taken to speed up the (a) the number of persons died during project; and their service during the last two years in - BEL, Sahibabad, Uttar Pradesh; (c) when is tbe project likely to be com- h pleted ? (c) the number of dependents/widows of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE these employees given service jn BEL MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND (Sahibabad) and the time taken by BEL to FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : No, give these employments to the dependents/ Sir. widows of the deceased employees; 189 Written Answers KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Written Answers 190

(d) whether some cases of that nature (c) whether any action has so far been are still pending; and * taken on the report of the Neogi Commission which had delt with the activities of these (e) if so, the details thereof and the rea- missionaries ? sons for delay and the time by which these employments will be given to those widows/ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN dependents ? THE MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL. PUBLIC GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI PRODUCTION AND SUPPLIES IN THE P. CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) No, Sir. MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI SH1VRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) and (b). 8 per- (b) Does not arise. sons employed in BEL, Sahibabad, died during the last 2 years Four persons died (c) State Government of Madhya Pradesh due to prolonged sickness not connected with had appointed a Commission headed by Dr. service, and 4 persons died due to personal M- Bhawani Shankar Niyogi in 1954 to accidents outside the factory. None of the enquire into the activities of Christian deaths is attributable to service. Missionary Activities in Madhya Pradesh only and any action on the recommendations (c) to (e), Out of the above eight cases,of the Commission was to be taken by the two widows of the deceased employees were State Government and not by the Central given employment within six months of the Government. death of their husbands. One deceased employee’s widow was already employed in Diseases around the vicinity of BEL at the time of his death. Of tbe re- NPP maining five cases, three dependents have applied for any suitable job in BEL. They were interviewed by a preliminary Selection 1380. SHRI BANWARI LAL Committee to assess their potential for em- PUROHIT : Will the PRIME MINISTER be ployment. At present, no suitable post has pleased to state : been identified against which they can be employed. Efforts will be made to give them (a) whether any comprehensive survey employment if and when vacancies arise. has been made by Government to ascertain the increase in diseases in the vicinity of nuclear power plants of the country ; Enquiry into activities of foreign missionaries (b) if so, the outcome thereof;

1379. SHRI V. SOBHANADREE* (c) whether Government are aware that SWARA RAO : according to a UK Government’s investiga- SHRI ANANTA PRASAD tion report the incident of leukaemia among SETHI: children near the nuclear power plants are SHRI JAGANNATH PATTNAIK : ten times above the national average; and SHRI LAKSHMAN MALL1CK : (d) if so, steps taken by Government Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS in this regard ? be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN (.a) whether Government have recently THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND made any high level enquiry into the activities TECHNOLOGY AND MINISTER OF of foreign missionaries operating in various STATE IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF States of the country; OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and (SHRI K. R. NARAYANAN): (a) to (d). 191 Written Answer» NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Written Answers 192

Government’s attention has been drawn to setting up National Range, the project will the report in question. While do specific not be shifted to any other site. The Central survey is being conducted amongst the and Orissa’ State Governments are taking general population residing in the vicinity of necessary steps^ to implement the schemes Nuclear Power Plants, there is no indication and to see that the displaced families are of increase in the incidence of cancer or looked after well and rehabilitated properly. leukaemia among the workers of the Nuclear Power Plants and their family members residing in and around the Nuclear Power Supply of technology information to Plants of the Country, who are constantly enterpreneurs monitored under the Health Service scheme of tbe Department of Atomic Energy. 1382. DR. G. VIJAYA RAMA RAO : Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : Review of decision regarding national test range in Baliapal, Orissa (a) whether Council of Scientific and Industrial Research and Directorate Genera! 1381- PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : of Technical Development propose to provide Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased computerised information to enterpreneurs, to state : both Indian and Foreign on a gratis basis as reported in the Times of India, dated 10 (a) whether after the announcement in October, 1986; and the House during the Monsoon Session in 1986 by Government that the site of the National Test Range Project in the Baliapal- (b) whether Government also propose Bhogra in the Balasore district of Orissa to organise similar service for R & D will not be changed, there has been a grave information discoveries and patents etc., discontent, among the agriculturists and developed by ICAR/ICMR/DSIR/AEC and fishermen in Baliapal and Bhogra; and other public sector, semi-Govemment and Government organisations and make R & D effort of Science and Technology institutes (b) if so, in view of a strong public opinion against the location of the site in needbased and fruitful ? Baliapal-Bhogra, whether Government propose to review their earlier decision ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN TECHNOLOGY AND MINISTER OF THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE STATE IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT IN OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC THE MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE ARUN SINGH) : (a) After the announce- (SHRI K. R. NARAYANAN) : (a) Tbe ment of resettlement and rehabilitation scne- Technology Policy Implementation Com- mes in the Lok Sabha on 6 Aug. 86, Orissa mittee (TPIC), set up by the Government, Government has published a booklet giving has recommended establishment of an Indus- the details of the project and of the reset- trial Technology Data Bank (1TDB) to tlement/rehabilitation schemes. This has provide technological information to enter- been distributed widely. Adequate publicity preneurs on a commercial basis. Government has been given to facts that in addition to is considering the provision of such informa- adequate compensation for land and assets, tion through a computerised system. all displaced families, would be resettled in model villages and one person from each (b) No, Sir. displaced family would be offered job opportunity in various schemes being set up for Air pollution in Delhi this purpose. This has removed the apprehension of the people to a large extent. 13 83. SHRI BHARAT KUMAR ODEDRA : (b) No, Sir. As Baliapal/Bhogra region s h r i b a l a s a h e b VIKHE is the only suitable site in the country for PATIL : 193 Written Answerg KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Written Answers 194

Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT than fifteen persons were injured in the AND FORESTS be pleased to state : accident; and

(a) whether there is too much pollution (c) the causes of fire and how much in Delhi due to smoke emitted by buses, compensation was paid to bereaved families auto-rickshaws and thermal power stations; and the injured persons ? and

m THE MINISTER OF STATE IN (b) if so, steps to check air pollution io THE MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, Delhi ? PUBLIC GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI THE MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT P. CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) to (c). The tent AND FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : fell down due to a storm, 15 persons sustai- (a) Smoke levels are high in certain pockets ned injuries and four of them expired in the of Delhi due to emissions from vehicular Hospital. Rs. 10, 000/-has been sanctioned exhausts and industries including thermal to be paid to the next of kin of the deceased power plants; persons and Rs. 2, 000/-each to the persons seriously injured. (b) Steps taken to check air pollution in Delhi include the following : Strength of constables in Delhi Police —air pollution control areas have been notified; 1385. SHRI SYED SHAHABUDD1N : — industries have been directed to Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be comply with the prescribed emission pleased to state : standards; (a) the number of constables in Delhi — thermal power plants have been asked Police as on April, 1985; to instal high efficiency electrostatic precipitators; (b) the number of posts of constables which fell vacant during 1985-86; —emission standards for vehicular exhausts have been evolved: and (c) the number of additional posts created during 1985-86; and —The Delhi Administration has been advised to enforce the standards under (d) the number of constables recruited the Motor Vehicles Act. during 1 985-86 ?

Factors responsible for Venus Circus THE MINISTER OF STATE IN tragedy THE MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1384. SHRI RAM SINGH YADAV:MINSTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be P. CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) 19018. pleased to state : (b) 636. (a) whether the main tent of Venus Circus caught fire on October 15, 1986 at Parade Grounds Delhi; (c) 2560.

(b) whether five persons died and more (d) 1538, 195 Written Answra NOVEMBER 12. 1986 Written Answer § 196

Foreign missionaries directed to quit (b) the details of total expenditure incur- India red on Antarctica expeditions so far ?

138^. PROF. K. V. THOMAS: Will THE MINISTER OF STATE IN the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND to state : , TECHNOLOGY AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF (a) the number of foreign phristian mis- OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC sionaries asked to quit India; ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI K. R. NARAYANAN) : (a) The (b) the reason for this order; Antarctic Treaty is open for accession

* to all members of tbe United (c) whether foreign missionaries who Nations. No membership fees or other have served in India for a long period will financial obligations are involved in acces- be allowed to continue here; sion to the Treaty. « (d) whether representations have reached (b) India has so far launched five expedi- the Government to reconsider the deporta- tions to Antarctica. The total costs of the tion of foreign missionaries; and five expeditions work out to be Rs. 22. 44 crores approximately. The details are as (e) if so, details thereof and action taken follows: y* thereon ?

First expedition ... Rs. 1,90 crores THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC Second expedition. ... Rs. 1.95 crores GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND MINISTER OF- STATE IN THE MINISTRY Third expedition. Rs, 5.70 crores OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) Seven foreign Fourth expedition. ... Rs. 6.19 crores Missionaries were asked to leave the country in 1985. Out of them the cases of six were Fifth expedition. ... Rs. 6.70 crores reviewed and they were allowed to stay in India on a half yearly extension, and one has left India. Total Rs. 22.44 crores

(b) There were adverse reports against them. Consolidation of orders on service (c) Yes, unless they come to adverse matters relating to disciplinary notice. cases

(d) and (e). Yes, Sir. Action as stated 1388. SHRI HAFIZ MOHD. SIDDIQ : in reply to part *a* of the question was Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to taken. * state : *

Expenditure on Antarctica expeditions . (a) whether Government . propose to consolidate the orders and issue distinct clear cut guidelines in matters of confirma- 1387. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA tion, : efficiency bar and promotion regarding Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to those employees againj-t whom disciplinary state : proceedings are either continuing or finalised in order to safeguard the interests of (a) yearly amount paid as membershipthe employees; and or other obligations and liabilities undertaken ynder Antarctica Treaty; and (b) if not, the reasons thereof ? 197 Written Answers KART1KA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Written Answers 198

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (b) and (c). In pursuance of the instruc- MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC tions, Ministry of Human Resource Develop- GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI ment (Department of Women and Child BIREN SINGH ENGTI) : (a) and (b). Development) has issued instructions to the Instructions already exist clearly laying down Central Social Welfare Board, Indian Coun- the procedure to be adopted for considering cil for Child Welfare; Bharatiya Adimjati cases of promotion, confirmation etc. of Sevak Sangh, Harijan Sevak Sangh and Government servants against whom depart- Kasturba Gandhi National Memorial Trust mental disciplinary/court proceedings are to discontinue grant to the organisations pending. Review of various rules and orders mentioned in statement given below. relating to different aspects of conditions of services of Government servants, including Statement their promotion and confirmation etc., is an on-going process and they are revised or consolidated as and when necessary. List of tbe organisations

SI. No. Name of the organisations Stoppage of grants to certain 1. Avard and following affiliates organisations (i) Santhal Pargana Antyodaya Ashram, 1389. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : Deoghar, Bihar. Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be (ii) Matru-Mandir, Deorukh, pleased to state : Maharashtra. (iii) Gadadhar Mishra Smarak Nidhi, (a) whether the Kudal Commission of Bihar. Inquiry on Gandhi Peace Foundation and other organisations in its 1st and 2nd (iv) AFFORD. interim reports has identified a list of (v) Gram Seva Sansthan Tanasa. organisations to which Government should not give the grants in case they are still (vi) Nirmali Prakhand Swarajya Sabha. given; (vii) Kariyat Agricultural And Rural Management Assistance. (b) if so, whether the Ministry of Human (viii) Anchal Gram Swarajya Parishad, Resource Development (Department of Chounsa, District Saharsa, Bihar. Women and Child Development) has already sent written instructions on 28 May, 1986 2. Gandhi Smarak Nidhi and following to the concerned organisations to stop the affiliates grants; and * (i) Gandhi Smarak Gram Seva Kendram. (c) if so, which are the institutions whose grants have been stopped ? (ii) Gandhi Memorial Museum, Madurai. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN (iii) All India Prohibition Council. THE MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS 3. Sana Seva Sandh and following AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE * affiliates MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P. (i)-Kosi Seva Sadan (Subsidiary of CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) Kudal Commission Society for Developing Gramdan). has not given any recommendation that the grant to the organisation should be discon- (ii) Utkal Gram Swarajya Sangh. tinued. However, it was decided to inform (iii) Society for Developing Giamdan. the concerned Ministries/ Departments to consider the questions of discontinuance of 4. Gandhi Peace Foundation grants to tbe organisations indicated by the Commission in their first two Reports. 5. Lok Niti Parishad 19*) Written Answtrs NOVEMBER 12, 1086 Written Answers 100

Findings of Kudal Commission CHIDAMBARAM): (a) and (b). Appoint- regarding Gandhi National ments to senior posts in the Ministries/ Museum Trustees Departments of the Government of India are normally made from various organised 1390. PROF, RAMKR1SHNA MORE :Services. For posts at the Senior levels, Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be outstanding scientists, technocrats, econo- pleased to state : mists, etc. are also considered keeping in view the specific requirements of such posts (a) whether the Kudal Commission has, and the experience and qualifications of io a report submitted to the Government persons available in the field of choice. sometime back, indicated the trustees of the Most of the Ministries/Depariments which Gandhi National Museum besides pointing are predominently of a technical character out gross irregularities in the Kerala Gandhi already have technocrats at the senior levels. Smarak Nidhi; Moreover, senior posts included in the various professional cadres of organised (b) if so, the salient features of the services are filled by Members of the findings of the Kudal Commission and respective professional/technical services. action taken by the Government in the matter; and Establishment of Associated Research Foundation (c) whether a copy of the Report will be placed on the Table of the House ? 1392. SHR1MATI MADHUREE SINGH : Will the PRIME MINISTER be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE pleased to state : MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND (a) whether the Associated Electronic MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- Research Foundation was set up recently in TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P. New Delhi; CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) to (c). The 4th and 5th Interim Reports containing the cases (b) if so, the objectives and functions of against Gandhi National Museum and the Foundation; and Kerala Gandhi Smarak Nidhi are under examination. These reports will be placed (c) the assistance given by Government on the Table of the House in due course for organising the Research laboratories ? of time. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- Posting of professionals in top position LOGY AND MINISTER OF STATE IN in Ministries THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVE- LOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELEC- 1391. DR. G. VJJAYA RAMA RAO TRONICS : AND SPACE (SHRI K. R. Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to NARAYANAN) : (a) Yes Sir. state : (b^ According to the information given (a) whether Government have a scheme by Associated Electronics Research Founda- of putting professionals in top position in tion (A.E.R.F.), the research foundation has Ministries requiring technical knowledge and the following objectives : experience; and (i) To strive for excellence through (b) if so, details thereof ? Research and Development in the fields of professional electronics, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE home electronics and defence.elec MINISTRY OP PERSONNEL, PUBLIC tronics with a view to minimise GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND the technological gap between our MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- products and those from developed TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P, countries* 201 Written Answers KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Written Answers 202

(ii) To undertake R&D projects in the (b) if so, the findings of the survey aforesaid areas Io achieve improved team; and designs specifically ‘ keeping the following aspects in view. (c) the response of Government thereto ?

Improve quality and reliability THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Reduce material costs MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- Compress shopfloor time LOGY AND MINISTER OF STATE IN Improve ergonomic and THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVE- aesthetic aspects. LOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELEC- TRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI K. R. (iii) To indigenise on a large scale NARAYANAN) : (a) No, Sir. electronic and mechanical components to promote national goal (b) and (c». Do not arise. of self-reliance and save as much foreign exchange as possible. Public Sector Undcrtakiugs without (iv) To closely interact/with acadcmic Chairmen institutions such as IITs, government sponsored research laboratories 1394. SHRI R. S. MANE: Will the to develop high technology products PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : as also to solve problems of industry. (a) the number and names of the Public Sector Undertakings which are without (v) To establish a highly sophisticated Chairmen for the Jast three years; and Materials Appraisal. Laboratory to ensure quality and reliability of (b) the reasons therefor ? materials, components and finished products. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND (c) The following assistance is normally MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- given by Government through Department of TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P. Scientific and Industrial Research (DSIR) : CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) Nil.

(i) Import facilities for R & D (b) Does not arise. activities.

(ii) Preferential treatment in delicens- Transfer of technology by Netherlands ing to units based on indigenous technology. 1395. SHRI BHARAT KUMAR ODEDRA : Will the PRIME MINISTER (iii) Fiscal incentives for scientific be pleased to state : research. (a) whether the Netherlands Government Assessment of potential for generation is willing to enlarge the scope of technology • of electricity from sea waves in transfer to India through exchange of science West Bengal and funding of selected projects;

1393. SHRI MATILAL HANSDA : (b) if so, the details of the project; and Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : (c) Government’s reaction thereto ?

(a) whether any survey team was sent THE 'MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to West Bengal to assess the potential for MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- generation of electricity from sea waves; LOGY AND MINISTER OF STATE IN 203 Written Answers NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Written Answers 204

THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVE- the scheme and give suitable recommenda- LOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELEC- tions regarding increase in the rates of TRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI K. R. scholarships, upward revision of the income NARAYANAN); (a) to (c). Department of ceiling of* parents etc. Science and Technology and its Dutch counterpart signed in July, 1985 a Memo- randum of Understanding (MOU) on Scientific Plant for manufacture of push-button Cooperation between India and Netherlands. telephone instruments As a follow-up the Indo-Netherlands Joint Committee on Science and Technology met at New Delhi on March 3-4, 1986 and 1397. SHRIMATI BASAVARAJE- identified the following four areas for SWARI : Will the PRIME MINISTER be bilateral cooperation : pleased to state :

—Instruments; (a) whether a plant has been set up near Bangalore for the 'manufacture of — Anaerobic Waste Water Treatment push-button telephone instruments; of Pollution Control; (b) what are the various kinds of tele- —-Surveying and Mapping Technology; phones to be manufactured; and (c) the likely turn over of the plant; — Astronomy. and

Income ceiling regarding educational (d) the details thereof ? facilities to Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 'THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- 1396. SHRI PARASRAM BHARDWAJ : LOGY AND MINISTER OF STATE IN Will the Minister of WELFARE be pleased THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVE- to state : LOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELEC- TRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI K. R. (a) whether Government propose to NARAYANAN) : (a) Push-button tele- raise the income ceiling of the parents of phones are manufactured by units in and Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes around Bangalore. children, to provide educational facilities to them; and (b) Decadic and Dual Tone Multi Frequency (DTMF) type telephones are to (b) if so, the details thereof? be manufactured.

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (c) The licensed capacity of the plant MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI is 5 lakh nos. each per annum. GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) and (b). The Ministry of Welfare has already raised the income ceiling of the parents/guardians (d) Unit Annual licensed from Rs. 500/- to Rs, 1,000/- p.m. (exclud- capacity ing house rent allowance) under the Centrally Sponsored Scheme of Pre-matric Scholar- (i) Indian Telephone ships for the children of those engaged in Industries. 5 lakh nos. unclean occupations. As regards the other (ii) Swede (India) Centrally Sponsored Scheme of Post-matric Teltronics Ltd. 5 lakh nos. scholarships for the ' Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes students, a High Level Official Committee has been set up by the Ministry to examine the various aspects of 205 KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) 206

12.00 hrs. MR. SPEAKER : Nothing goes on ■* record. Nobody is allowed. You decide [English] whether you want to work this House or not. (Interruptions) (Interruptions)* MR. SPEAKER : What is your point of order ? SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY {Interruptions) (Katwa) : You can call us one by one. (Interruptions) [Translation]

MR. SPEAKER : You have to decide MR. SPEAKER : Why are you behaving like this, I can’t understand. whether you want to work this House or make this howling. [English] (Interruptions) Why this daily chorus ? MR. SPEAKER : It is impossible for me to listen to all these people all at once. SHRI AMAR ROYPRADHAN (Cooch I do not think it behaves }ou either. This Behar) : There is no mcdical facility in is against rules, and there is nothing which Delhi. cannot be discussed properly. (Interruptions) (Interruptions) SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA RAO (Vijaywada) : I have given a privilege motion MR. SPEAKER : I am not supposed to against the Minister for Water Resources answer every question from this Chair. You for making an untrue statement. are welcome to see me, (Interruptions) [Translation) MR. SPEAKER : Not allowed and MR. SPEAKER : When ? whatever the Hon. Member says does not from part of tb£ record. [English] (Interruptions) SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA RAO : The Minister said that the Chief MR, SPEAKER : Not allowed. You Minister of Andhra Pradesh has not replied have not got even the decency to sit down to the Chief Minister of Maharashtra which when I am on my legs. You must be sorry is not a fact. for that. I only say why have you to do like this all the time. We have daily this [Translation] cacophony in this House and without rhyme and reason. There is not a single subject MR. SPEAKER : I shall look into it. which I am not going to allow to be discussed. What is the fun in doing this, I do (Interruptions) not realise. What do you ‘get out of this ? I am open to you. 1 will allow every question MR. SPEAKER : Are ycu not ashamed whichever you raise. But it should be of it. Does it behave you ? according to the rules. There is no rule which allows all of you getting up like this. [English] You must have decency. You must behave like Hon. Members of this House. You What is this cacophony ? I am not must follow the rules. They are your rules, going to listen to anybody. not mine. t (Interruptions) (Interruptions) 207 NOVEMBER 12, 1986 208

MR. SPEAKER : What is this ? deny you the right, Mr. Chowdhary, to discuss anything, then, I am at fault. You (Interruptions) come and I will allow you.

SHRI J5AIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY : SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY: You call one by one. Sir, I have given a notice. The GLF leaders have asked them to launch an armed 4 (Interruptions) struggle at Darjeeling. They are going to give them arms. It is a very serious matter. MR. SPEAKER : Nothing goes on record. Let them say whatever they like. I will just MR. SPEAKER : Not allowed. sit here and see whether this House will run or not. (Interruptions)* {Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER : Out of order. I disallowed it. MR. SPEAKER : I am not going to listen to anybody. {Interruptions) SHRT S. JAIPAL REDDY (Mahbub- nagar) : We have tabled notices. MR. SPEAKER : I have already allowed a discussion. I am not going to allow it for the second time. MR. SPEAKER : That does not matter. That does not entitle you to raise it here. SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA (Bankura) : You must read the rules and then come to The Home Minister is here. He can make a me. You have rot read the rule. You do not put any question according to the rules. statement. I have disallowed that. {Interruptions)

SHRI SA1FLJDDIN CHOWDHARY : MR. SPEAKER : Dr. Mohan, what is You call me. your Point of Order ?

MR. SPEAKER : If I call you then DR. CHINTA MOHAN (Tirupati) : All others should stop. If I listen to you, others the Delhi Hospitals are paralysed. should listen. Then I will like to ask you “ What is your point of order ?” . If you MR. SPEAKER : I am going to get it have any point of order, I will allow; other- discussed I have already taken notice. wise not. So simple it is. What is your point of order ? {Interruptions)

SHRI SA1FUDDIN CHOWDHARY : It is not a point of order. But, I have given MR. SPEAKER : What is your Point of notice about a news items that has come. Order ?

SHRI S JAIPAL REDDY : I thank you MR. SPEAKER : Not allowed. You can come to me. for the opportunity given to me. So many ' trains have been cancelled. I have given notice. SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA : Let him finish. MR. SPEAKER : Doesn’t matter. It is out of order. Please sit down. Not allowed. SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY : Zero hour is not a point of order hour, Sir. (Interruptions)*

MR. SPEAKER : There is no zero .hour. i ■ “ ------.Let me know if there is any zero hour. If I *Not recorded. 209 KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) 210

MR. SPEAKER : Not allowed. [Translation]

(.Interruptions)* SHRI RAM PYARE PANIKA (Roberts- ganj) : Sir, situation in Uttar Pradesh has SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : I have worsened as a result of drought as well as tabled an Adjournment Motion.. floods.

[English] MR. SPEAKER : Might be. I did not allowed it. MR. SPEAKER : We are discussing drought and flood. I have told you so SHRI SURESH KURUP (Kottayam) : I many times. W'hy do you get up/daily like have given notice of Police atrocities in this ? Kerala.

(.Interruptions) [Translation]

MR. SPEAKER : No, it is not allowed. SHRI HARISH RAWAT (Almora) : There is no Point of Order. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have given 2 notices for Calling Attention. One is regarding strike by (Interruptions)* junior doctors and the other is regarding Telecommunication Junior Engineers. SHRI SURESH KURUP : Last week, [English] for 12 hours, Police entered the houses of innocent people of Idukki District... MR. SPEAKER : We are doing it. It is going to be discussed. It is already under MR. SPEAKER : State Subject. Not consideration. But I cannot give you the allowed. date.

(Interruptions)* [Translation]

MR. SPEAKER : Mr. Kurup, you are SHRT HARISH RAWAT : Negotiations interrupting the Hon. Member. I told you to have not led to any solution. The strike is behave properly. Not allowed. I disallowed not being called off. The situation is deterio- it. My rulings are not to be discussed here. rating.

(Interruptions) * [English]

[Translation] MR, SPEAKER : Not allowed. I have given you the answer You could have come SHRI CHARANJIT SINGH WALIA and asked me this question. I would have (Patiala) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, with regard to satisfied you. the happenings in Punjab... {Interruptions)* [English] [Translation]

MR. SPEAKER : We are going to SHRI C. P. THAKUR : Mr. Speaker, discuss Punjab next week. Sir, in India...

(Interruptions) [English]

MR. SPEAKER : Do not transgress the MR. SPEAKER : Not you, Mr. Thakur. limits. I will have to ask you to withdraw i from the House if you say like this. (Interruptions)

*N ot recorded. *N ot recorded. 211 NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Papers, Laid 212

MR. SPEAKER : This question, you refused it. Impose ESMA on them Lakhs can give it to me. 1 will fiod out. of patients are perambulating outside.

(Interruptions) , [Translation] MR. SPEAKER : Why don’t you come SHRI C. P. THAKUR : In the offices of and see me ? United Nations... (Interruptions)

[English] MR. SPEAKER : You are unnecessarily wasting the time. All are irrelevant points. MR. SPEAKER : You could have asked me. Why are you wasting the time of the (Interruptions) House ? MR. SPEAKER : There are certain [Translation] things which you have to understand. Please sit down. SHRI C. P. THAKUR : There should be a discussion on this subject. (Interruptions)

[English] MR. SPEAKER : Once I have given you a discussion. Mr. Amal Datta, you are a MR. SPEAKER : This ic. irrelevant. very learned man. Why all the time you are on your feet ? You are a very honourable SHRI C. K. KUPPUSWAMY (Coimba- person. 4 tore) : Sir, in Andhra Pradesh, 6 lakh NGOs are on strike for the past 5 or 6 days. SHRI AMAL DATTA (Diamond Harbour) : We do not want to bother you. MR. SPEAKER : You can give it to me The Ministers are there to carry out... in writing and see me. I cannot listen properly. Nothing doing. Not allowed. MR. SPEAKER : I have already allowed the discussion. What more do you want. (Interruptions) * PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK (Panaji) : (Rajapur) : Even to raise this question of There is acute shortage of * water; terrible trains, one cannot come to Lok Sabha by drought conditions prevail... train.

MR. SPEAKER : They can come by MR. SPEAKER : We are going to discuss Matador. drought and floods. I have told you. Why don’t you listen. f DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI (Sambal- pur) : Day before yesterday, the Health 12.08 hrs. Minister has promised the agitating Doctors, in the morning, to give... PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE

MR. SPEAKER : I told you now, we [EnglishJ are going to discuss that problem. Please sit down, Notifications, under Central Excise and Salt Act, 1944 and Customs Act, 1962 DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI : But you and Central Excise Rules, 1944 must know this. In the afternoon, they THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE *Not recorded MINISTRY- OF FINANCE (SHRI 213 Papers Laid KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA)Papers Laid 114 t

JANARDHANA POOJARY) : Sir, I beg to (iv) G. S. R. 1078(E) published in lay on the Table :— Gazette of India dated the 12th September* 1986 together of India dated the 12th (1) A copy of the Central Excise September, 1986 together with (Sixteenth Amendment) Rules, an explanatory memorandum 1986 (Hindi and English versions) making certain amendments to published in Notification No. Notification Nos. 232/83- G.S.R. 1057 (E) 8n Gazette of Customs dated the 18 th India dated the 3rd September, August, 1983 and 67/85- 1986, under sub-section (2) of Customs dated the 17 th section 38 of the Central Excise March, 1985. and Salt Act, 1944.

[Placed in Library. See No. LT-3184/86]. (v) G .S .R . 1086 (E) published in Gazette of India dated the 17th September, 1986 toge- (2) A copy each of the following Noti- ther with an explanatory fications (Hindi and English versions) memorandum making certain under section 159 of the Customs amendment to Notification Act, 1962 :— No. 329-Customs dated the 2nd August, 1976 so as to exempt dieelectric mica strips (i) G. S. R, 1010 (E) published in Gazette of India dated the from the export duty of 10 per cent ad valorem. 20th August, 1986 together with an explanatory memorandum making certain (vi) G. S. R. 1106 (E) published amendment to Notification in Gazette of India dated the Nos. 344/86-Customs and 24th September, 1986 toge- 345/86-Customs dated the ther with an explanatory 16th Junft, 1986 so as to memorandum making certain include one specified raw amendment to Natification material in each of the Noti- No. 154/86-Customs dated fications. the 1st March, 1986 so as to amend the description of an item in the said notification. (ii) G. S. R. 1016(E) published in Gazette of India dated the (vii) G. S. R. 1112 (E) published 28th August, 1986 together in Gazette of India dated the with an explanatory memo- 6th October, 1986 together randum regarding exemption with an explanatory memo- to consumable goods required randum making certain amend- for the purposes of research ment to Notification No. 62/ when imported into India by 85-Customs dated the 17th any public funded research March, 1986 so as to exclude institution from the whole of from its scope wood sawn the basic and additional duties lengthwise, sliced or peeled of customs leviable thereon. but not further prepared.

(iii) G. S. R. 1047(E) published in (viii) G. S. R. 1133 (E) published Gazette of India dated the in Gazette of India dated the 28th August, 1986 together 6th October, 1986 together with an explanatory memo- with an explanatory memorandum making certain randum making certain amendment to Notification amendment to Notification No. 154/86-Customs dated No. 31 l/b6*Customs dated the 1st March, 1986 so as to the 13th May, 1986 so as to delete an entry. provide that the wood sawo Papers Laid NOVEMBER 12. 1986 Papers Laid 216

lengthwise, sliced or peeled (3) A copy each of the following Noti- but not further prepared fications (Hindi and English would not qualify for auxiliary versions) issued under tbe Central duty exemption. Excise Rules, 1944 :—

(i) G. S. R. 1044 (E) published (ix) G. S. R. 1134(E) published in Gazette of India dated the in Gazette of India dated the 26th August, 1986 together 6th October, 1986 together with an explanatory memoran- with anexplanatory memo- dum making certain amend- randum making certain ment to Notification No. 274/ amendment to Notification 86-CE dated the 24th April, No. 312/86-Customs dated 1986 so as to make certain the 13th May, 1986 so as to changes in conditions for exempt consumables imported availing exemption from addi- by public funded research tional excise duty in lieu of institutions for research pur- sales-tax in respect.of damaged poses from the whole of the or sub-standard textile fabrics. auxiliary duty of customs leviable thereon. (ii) G. S. R. 1064 (E) published in Gazette of India dated the (x) G. S. R. 1146 (E) published 8th September, 1986 together in Gazette of India dated the with an explanatory memoran- 9th October, 1986 together dum making certain amend- with an explanatory memoran- ment to Notification No. 175/ dum regarding exemption to 86-CE dated the 1st March, certain specified machineries 1986 so as to extend the used in solvent extraction oil benefit of general small scale industry from the basic Cus- exemption scheme to side-cars toms duty io excess of 30 per of motor cycles and scooters. cent ad valorem and from the whole of the additional duty (iii) G. S. R. 1065 (E) published in of customs leviable thereon. Gazette of India dated the 8th September, 1986 together (xi) G. S. R. 1147 (E) published with an explanatory memoran- in Gazette of India dated tbe dum regarding exemption to 9th October, 1986 together systems and sub-systems of launch vehicles and systems with an explanatory memorandum making certain amend- and sub-systems of satellite ment to Notification No. projects of the Indian Space 314/86-Customs dated toe Research Organisation or the 13th May, 1986. Department of space from the whole of the duty of excise leviable thereon. (xii) G. S. R. 1159 (E) published in Gazette of India dated the 21st October, 1986 together (iv) G. S. R. 1069 (E) published in Gazette of India dated the with an explanatory memorandum regarding exemption to 9th September, 1986 together coffee when exported out of with an explanatory memo- India from the basic customs randum making certain duty in excess of Rupees amendment to Notification IsOOO per quintal. No. 32/86-CE dated the 10th February, 1986 so as to res- tructure the excise duty rates i in Library. See No. Lf-3185/86], on loose tea. Papers Laid KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Papers Laid 218

(v) G. S. R. 1070 .(E) published amendment to Notification in Gazette of India dated the No. 198/86-CE dated the 9th September, 1986 together 14th March, 1986 so as to with an explanatory memoran- withdraw the facility under dum making certain amend- which crcdii of duty paid on ment to Notification No. 197/ PVC resins was available to 62-CE dated the 17th manufacturers of wires and November, 1962 so as to cables. prescribe the rates for rebate of excise duty on export of (x) G. S. R. 1090 (E) published package tea and loose tea. in Gazette of India dated tbe 17th September, 1986 to- (vi) G. S. R. 1071 (E) published gether with an explanatory in Gazette of India dated the memorandum making certain 9th September, 1986 together amendment to Notification i with an explanatory memoran- No. 208/83-CE dated the 1st dum prescribing a rebate of August, 1983 so as to extend 50 paise per Kilogram in the excise duty exemption to respect of tea used in the all cast Iron Pipe fittings. manufacture of blended tea or package tea which is exported out of India. (xi) G. S. R. 1096 (E) published in Gazette of India dated the 18th September, 1986 to- (vii) G. S. R. 1087 (E) published gether wiih an expalanatory in Gazette of India dated the memorandum regarding exem- 17 th September, 1986 ption io tea paeked in con- together with an explanatory tainers of content exceeding memorandum making certain 20 Kilograms from payment amendment to Notification of excise duty if such tea is No. 132/86 CE dated the made out of duty paid tea. 1st March, 1986 so as to exempt PVC compounds having a specific gravity of less (xii) G. S. R. 1097 (E) published than 1.28, and fixing an in Gazette of India dated the effective duty of 30 per cent 18th September, 1986 to- ad valorem on PVC com- gether with an explanatory pounds having a specific gra- memorandum making certain vity of 1.28 and above.t amendment to Notification No. 241/86-CE dated the (viii) G. S. R. 1088 (E) published ♦ 3rd April, 1986. in Gazette of India dated the 17th September, 1986 to- (xiii) G. S. R. 1109 (E) published gether with an explanatory in Gazette of India dated the memorandum making certain 25th September, 1986 to- amendment to Notification gether with an explanatory No. 175/86-CE dated the 1st memorandum making certain March, 1986 so as to extend amendment to Notification the benefit of general small No. 241/86-CE dated the scale exemption scheme to 3rd April, 1986. PVC compounds. (xiv) G. S, R. 1131(E) published in (ix) G. S. R. 1089 (E) published Gazette . of India dated tbe in Gazette of India dated the 6th October, 1986 together 17th September, 1986 to- with an explanatory memoran- gether with an explanatory dum regarding exemption to memorandum making certain all exciseable goods manufac- 2i 9 Papers Laid NOVEMBER 12,1986 Papers Laid 220

tured in shipyards and used MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC in the manufacture of ocean- GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI going vessels. BIREN SINGH ENGTI) : On behalf of Sbri P. Chidambaram, Sir, 1 beg to lay on the Table a copy of the All India Services (xv) G. S. R. 1137 (E) published (Provident Fund) Second Amendment Rules, in Gazette of India dated the 1986 (Hindi and English versions) published 6th October, 1986 together in Notification No. G. S. R. 932 in Gazette with an explanatory memo- of India dated the 1st November, 1986, randum seeking to provide set under sub-section (2) of section 3 of the off of excise duty paid on All India Services Act, 1951. naphthalene used in the manufacture of certain specified [Placed in Library. See No. LT-3187/86] excisable goods.

(xvi) G. S. R. 1138 (E) published Notifications under Administrative in Gazette of India dated the Tribunals Act, 1985, Annual Report 6th October, 1986 together and Review on the Working of with an explanatory memo- Central Government Employees randum regarding exemption Consumer Cooperative Society to all varieties of lime includ- Ltd. New Delhi for 1983-84 ing burnt line and hydrated and statement for delay in line used captively or in any laying these papers factory of the manufacturer etc. etc. of line, in the manfacture of sugar, bleach liquor and paper THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE and paperboard from the MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC whole of the duty of excise GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI leviable thereon. BIREN SINGH ENGTI) : Sir, I beg to lay on the Table :—

(xvii) G. S. R. 1139 (E) published (1) A copy each of the following Noti- in Gazette of India dated the 6th October, 1986 together fications (Hindi and English ver- with an explanatory memo- sions) under sub-section (I) of randum making certain section 37 of the Administrative amendment to Notification Tribunals Act, 1985 :— No. 40/8 5-CE date3 the 17th March, 1986. (i, The Karnataka Administrative Tribunal (Salaries and Allo- wances and Conditions of (xviii) G. S. R. 1166 (E) published Services of Chairman, Vice- in Gazette of India feted the Chairman and Members) 27th October, 1986 together Rules, 1986 published in with an explanatory memo- Notification No. G. S. R. 1092 randum making certain (E) in Gazette of India dated amendment to Notification the 17th September, 1986. No. 432/86-CE dated the 6th October, 1986 so as to pro- (ii) The Karnataka Administrative vide that such credit would be Tribunal (Procedure) Rules, available in respect of synthe- tic tanning agent 1986 published in Notification No. G. S. R. 1130 (E) in [Placedin Library. See No. LT-3186/86]. Gazette of India dated the 3rd October, 1986. » All India Services (Provident Fund) (Placed in Library. See No. LT-3188/86]. Second Amendment Rules, 1986 (2) (i) A copy of the Annual Report THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (Hindi and English versions) 221 Papers Laid . KARHKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Message from Rqfya 222 Sabha

of the Central Government Review by the Government Employees Consumer Coope- on the working of the Grih rative Society Limited, New Kalyan Kendra, New Delhi, Delhi, for the year 1983-84 for the year 1984-85. along with Audited Accounts. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-3191/86]. (ii) A statement (Hindi and English versions) regarding Review by the Government on the working of the Central Government Employees Con- J2.10 hrs. sumer Cooperative Society Limited, New Delhi, for the MESSAGE FROM RAJYA SABHA year 1983-84. [English'] (3) A statement (Hindi and English versions) showing reasons for delay in laying the papers mentioned at SECRETARY GENERAL : Sir, J have (2) above. to report the following message received from the Secretary General of Fajya Sabha :— [Placed in Library. See No. LT-3189/861 “I am directed to inform the Lok Sabha (4) (i) A copy of the Annual Report that the Dock Workers (Safety, Health (Hindi and English version;*) and Welfare) Bill, 1985 which was of the Central Government passed by the Lok Sabha at its sitting Employees Consumer Coope- held on the 2nd December, 1985, rative Society Limited, New has been passed by the Rajya Sabha Delhi, for the year 1984-85 at its sitting held on the 10th Novem- along with Audited Accounts. ber, 1986, with the following amendments :— (ii) A statement (Hindi and , English versions) regarding Enacting formula Review by the Government on the working of the Central (1) That at page J, line 1, for tbe Government Employees Con- word ‘'Thirty-Sixth” the word sumer Coopeiative Society ‘‘Thirty-Seventh” be substituted. Limited, New Delhi, for the year 1984-85. Clause 1 (short title, extent, Commencement (5) A statement (Hindi and English and Application) versions) showing reasons for delay in laying the papers men- (2) That at page 1, line 4, for the tioned at (4) above, figure “ 1985” the figure “ 1986” be substituted. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-3190/80.]-

* (6) (i) A copy of the Annual Report I am, therefore, to return herewith the (Hindi and English versions) said Bill in accordance with the provisions of the Grih Kalyan Kendra, of rule 128 of the Rules of Procedure and New Delhi, for the year conduct of Business in the Rajya Sabha with 1984-85 along with Audited the request that the concurrence of Ihe Lok Accounts.. Sabha to the said amendments be communi- cated to this House. (ii) A statement (Hindi and English versions) regarding 223 Dock Workers (S. H. & W.) NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Calling Attention 224 Bill as Amended by Rajya Sabha DOCK WORKERS (SAFETY, MR. SPEAKER : The question is : HEALTH AND WELFARE) .BILL AS AMENDED BY RAJYA SABHA “That in pursuance of section 12(1) of the National Cadet Corps Act, [English] 1948, the members of this House do proceed to elect, in such manner as SECRETARY GENERAL : Sir, I lay the Speaker may direct, one member on the Table the Dock Workers (Safety, from amongst themselves to serve as Health and Welfare) Bill, 1985, which has a member of the Central Advisory been returned by Rajya Sabha with amend- Committee for the National Cadet ments. Corps for a term of one year from tbe date of election, subject to the other provisions of the said Act and the Rules made thereunder.*! 12,12 hrs. The motion was adopted COMMITTEE ON PRIVATE MEMBERS’ BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE Twenty.fifth Report Twenty-Ninth Report [English] [English] SHRI M. THAMB! DURAI (Dharma- puri) : Sir, I present the Twenty-fifth Report THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- (Hindi and English versions^ of the Commit- TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF tee on Private Members’ Bills and Resolu- FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES (SHRI tions. H. K. L. BHAGAT) : Sir, I beg to move :

“That this House do agree with the Twenty-ninth Report of the Business Advisory Committee presented to the ELECTION TO COMMITTEE House on 11th November, 1986.” [English] MR. SPEAKER : The question is : Central Advisory Committee for “That this House do agree with the National Cadet Corps Twenty-ninth Report of the Business Advisory Committee presented to the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE House on the 11 th November, DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RESEARCH 1986.” AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINIS- TRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI ARUN The motion was adopted. SINGH) : Sir, I beg to move :

“That in pursuance of section 12(1) of the National Cadet Corps Act, ] 2 13 hrs. 1948, tbe members of this House do proceed to elect, in such manner as CALLING ATTENTJON TO MATTER OF the.Speaker may direct, one member URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE fron^amongst themselves to serve as * a member of the Central Advisory [E n g lish ] Committee for the National Cadet Reported Fire in Sahar Terminal Corps for a term of one year from of Bombay Airport the date of election, subject to the other provisions of the said Act and SHRI SHARAD DIGHE (Bombay North the Rules made thereunder.** Central) : Sir, I call the attention of the 225 Calling Attention KARTIKA 21. 1908 (SAKAI Calling Attention 226

Minister of Civil Aviation to the following However, the exact cause of fire will be matter of urgent public importance and known only after the detailed enquiry is request that he may make a statement completed. thereon :— The damage to the airport property is “Reported fire in module II of the estimated to be around Rs. 10—Rs. 15 Sahar terminal of the Bombay Airport lakhs. Apart from the Shops No. 1, and 2, and the steps taken by the Government the damaged portion includes a part of the in that regard.” false ceiling, escalator and an electric store adjoining Shop No. 1. Workers have already THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE been deployed to clear the debris. The MINISTRY OF CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI building is insured and steps are being taken JAGDISH TYTLER) : On the night of 9th to file the claims. There has been no injury November, 1986 at about 1020-25 hrs. whatsoever either to the public or to the some smoke was noticed in the extreme staff present in the affected area One fire western end of the Mezzanine floor of Phase- officer who was extinguishing the fire had II, Terminal-Il of Bombay Airport. The a small cut on the finger. Airport Fire personnel, who were immediately alerted, reached the scene of accident The repairs to the damaged portions of within about 3/4 minutes. Five Airport the building are being carried out on top Crash Fire Tenders and one Water Tender priority and the building is expected to be were pressed into service. Announcement made fully operational wiihin a period of was also made on the Public Address system about three weeks advising the public and staff to vacate the building Tne City Fire Service was also The Director (Operations) of the Interna- summoned. The fire was locatcd and extin- tional Airports Authority of India has been guished within a period of about one hour asked to conduct an enquiry into the incident thirty five minutes by the joint efforts of and submit a report within a period of one Airport Fire Service and City Fire Service. month. The inquiry would, among other Action was also taken immediately to propel things, identify the cause of fire, assess the the smoke out of the building. extent of damage to property and recommend preventive measures to avoid recurrence of Since the entire departure concourse on such incidents. the first floor was filled with smoke, Air India operations were shifted from Module- SHRI SHARAD DIGHE : From the II to Module I, where necessary arrange- statement made by the Hon. Minister it is, ments were made for security inspection of of course, clear that the Director (Operations) baggage and passenger check-in. Module-II, of the International Airport Authority has with the exception of the affected portion of been asked to conduct the inquiry. He will the Mezzanine floor, was reopened for submit his report within a period of one normal operations at about 0400 hours month. He has been asked to identify the on 10th November, 1986. cause of the fire etc.

■w Preliminary investigation reveals that the However, from the preliminary investiga- fire had originated from Shop No. I dealing tion which is stated in this statement, some with ready-made garments which is locatcd issues arise. In the first place it has been close to the Boarding Gate No. 14 on the stated that the preliminary investigation Mezzanine floor of Module-II. The fire reveals that the fire had originated from had spread through the entire shop and Shop-1 dealing with the readymade garments, reached the adjoining Shop No 2 which and it has spread to the leather goods shop. deals in leather goods. Both the shops were Surprisingly it is stated that the fire was gutted. It has been reported by I. A. A. I., caused by an electric toaster. 1 don’t know after a preliminary investigation, that the what the electric toaster was to do with the fire was probably caused by an electric toas- readymade garment shop or the leather ter which was being used in Shop No. 1. shop. 227 Calling Attention NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Calling Attention 228

MR. SPEAKER : It was to do with not only protect the Airport from fire, but the people occupying those shops. also we can provide more convenience to the passengers and the persons who come to SHRI SHARAD DIGHE : It is a matter receive them or to see them off. Even for for inquiry. Perhaps, some unauthorised the Customs officials also conveniences are canteen might have been carried on by the not there and from this point of view also shop keepers and therefore, the toaster or I request the Minister to look into this some such electrical appliances came into matter. existence there with the result, perhaps, the fire had taken place. SHRI HARISH RAWAT (Almora) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have to say some pinching things about Bombay Airport. But first Secondly, the fire was detected within I will say some good things and later on, three or four minutes and the fire personnel were alerted. It is stated that the Crash Fire some pinching ones. Tenders and one water tender were also pressed into service immediately. Even then MR. SPEAKER : You may first'say pin- it took nearly 1$ hours to extinguish the ching things and later on put balm on them. fire. From this, one important thing arises according to me. The duty-fice shops which SHRI HARISH RAWAT : First I will are located there, have been located in such say soothing things and subsequently pinch- a congested way and I should say that the ing ones. designing or the Module H of the Sahar Airport has been so faulty that it might have As a whole, the work in the Civil Avia- happened due to this congestion only. It is tion Ministry is going on well, specially good that luckily the tire was extinguished Vayudoot has done a good job in providing and no damage was caused to any personnel. its services in the backward areas and far- But because of this faulty designing some- flung areas. (Interruptions) time in future it may also take a very serious turn if any such fire takes place. Now I would like to ask Shri Tytler two or three questions. First is that when this building was constructed, whether some I submit that even though more than security measures used to be taken or not half the international traffic passes through in such buildings —it is not confined to only the Bombay International Airport, more Bombay Airport, it can apply to other buil- money is spent on the Delhi International dings also—so that in case of tire etc. neces- Airport than on the Bombay. The Module- sary steps to control it could be taken II which has been designed, though very immediately ? Because the Statement you recently designed, has been very faultily have made shows that you could control designed. There is no place even for persons fire only when fire tenders were requisitioned to receive the passengers on arrival. Then, from outside and in this process much time there is no reception lounge in the ground- was wasted. In the meantime huge losses floor and so many other faulty designs have could have occurred and it was only by been made. By this not only ihe passengers chance that the losses were not to the extent and the persons who come to receive them these could have gone. One thing I want are inconvenienced; but also any time if any to know is whether such security measures such fire takes place, there will be a great are~takeu in all the airport buildings or disaster and it would be difficult for the not ? people even to go out for safety. Secondly, it was not for the first time So, from this incidence which has taken that fire incident took place. Earlier also place and which has been able to be control- such incidents have occurred. It occurred at led, we mu'it take a lesson and I should Calcutta Airport and at Bombay Airport too submit that after this inquiry, even the there had been once fire accident Why these designing of the Sahar Airport has to be fire fighting measures are not permanently reconsidered and if possible more space stationed there ? Why is such arrangement should be provided, so that in future we can not made at placcs where property worth 229 Catling Attention KARtlKA 21, 1908 (SARA) Calling Attention 230

crores of rupees is involved and where this Secondly, in big buildings there is pro- can happen at any time ? Permanent arran- vision of fire alarm. It is in Delhi as well gement should be made there. The moment as in Bombay. If there is fire or smoke, the there is fire, the fire tenders should be bell starts ringing violently and fire tenders pressed into service. Either at the airport reach there immediately or if you have your itself or somewhere nearby this arrangement own fire tenders you can start extinguishing should be available. Are you thinking of fire. Fire started at 1.45 and you could not making such arrangement ? control it. There was no fire alarm there and it was a serious lapse. The Chairman, This fire by heater or toaster is not con- Prof. N. K. Singh is a good friend of mine, fined to the Airport alone or it is not that he is quite competent person and I do not these are available only in one shop. This want to put him in embarrassment, but in can happen at other places also and this his Press Conference he stated that with the work cannot be done without the connivance grace of God a big fire incident was averted. of the employees of the airport. Will you How many times will the God shower his enquire into the aspect whetheT su:h things grace, such fire incidents will take place are not being done at other places also so frequently. that in future such incidents do not take place ? Will you look into this also ? Moreover, public address system was not systematic. It is true that only one person Lastly, I would like to say that may got minor injury, but there could have been be it is a minor incident, but the purpose of stampede. Every big building has sprinklers the Hon. Speaker in allowing this to be the and in case of lire these automatic sprinklers 'subject of the Calling Attention Notice is start working and extinguish fire. But here that it could have been the cause of the the fire ravaged for one hour and 35 to 40 major incident also. Therefore, there is minutes and no 1 prinkler could work. You need to be vigilent about this. What precau- had to call fire tenders from outside. It is tionary measures are going to be taken to really very strange. avoid recurrence of such incidents ? Kindly give details about this. Another thing Prof. Singh has said that when he gives report-... DR. G. S. RAJHANS (Jhanjharpur) : The reports received from the Bombay newspapers are conflicting. SHRI JAGDISH TYTLER : When did he say this ? Did he tell this thing to you. 12.24 hrs.

[MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chair) DR. G. S. RAJHANS *. It has appeared in the newspapers, I can show you the Some papers say that fire was due to a newspapers. toaster, others have reported that some girl was cooking food on a heater and a curtain SHRI JAGDISH TYTLER : I asked you nearby caught fire which later on spread to and vou have replied, That is all. other parts. Some are of the view that the fire was due to short circuiting and scores of people saw short-circuiting happening with DR. G. S. RAJHANS : Prof. N. K. a spark which later turned in a big fire. Singh has said in ihe Press Conference. PTI When you have entrusted the enquiry of tbe has reported this, it cannot be wrong. He entire incident to some officers, how can said that on my submission of tbe report, you say with surety that ihe fire was due to a the Minister will consider whether he needs toaster ? to visit Bombay Airport or not. I would like to say that a serious fire bas taken place If is also a matter to think that the and the way the country is facing problems, contractors who were awarded this job used the incident can be misinterpreted in foreign ■nferior quality wires because of which there countries and it can be termed as sabotage. Was short circuiting. In such a situation, was it not the responsi- « ’ * ' 231 Calling Attention NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Calling Attention 232 bility of the Minister to immediately visit the incident, a judicial enquiry should be the place, in stead of waiting for the report1 instituted so that the facts may be brought of Prof. N. K. Singh ? to light, because the people who are found to be guilty would like to defend themselves. 1 would like to say something more also. Therefore, impartial enquiry should be held. It is a general tendency to get the big buil- Whether any favouritism was shown in the dings under-insured. 1 have a definite infor- allotment of the shops to private persons, mation that the Bombay Airport too has violating the set procedure, as Shri Dighe been under-insured. The Minister should tell has said that there is a procedure and the us as to how much under-insurance has place was very congested ? What was the been there in the case of Bombay Airport condition of the electricity equipment instal- and how mu;h insurance claim has been led there, who was the contractor and why filed with the insurance company ? did such an incident take place ? All these things should be enquired into. We should be thankful to the God for saving us from In conclusion, I would submit that ear- a disaster. Definite arrangements should be lier also once fire took place at Bombay made to control such incidents immediately. Airport and an enquiry was conducted and If you look into the matter seriously, there findings were given. I want to know about will not be recurrence of such accident. those findings and the precautions that With these words I conclude. were taken on the basis of those findings ?

SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT SHRI JAGDISH AWASTHI (Bilhaur): (Nagpur) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, on this issue the a very serious incident. It is a newly cons- Hon. Members have expressed their concern tructed airport and not an old one* Fire and have asked questions also. I would like to had broken out there, but was controlled in ask only one question that as you have said time. But what are its causes ? It might not in your Statement, within 3/4 minutes of have been caused by wiring, because wirings fire taking place, fire tenders tried to control are quite new and are inside the walls. fire and fire tenders from the city were These wirings were also tested. There was also requisitioned and they both jointly n :thing in flammable inside tbe shop, so extinguished fire in one hour and 35 minutes. how did the fire break out. You also cannot This means that a serious accident was say anything definitely. Now a days all types going to occur. By the grace of God, life, of incidents are occuring in our country, and property worth crores of rupees could so suspicion is natural that it might be a be saved, otherwise it would have been a part of a big conspiracy of creating disrup- major fire accident. I want to know that tion or to distroy the building I would after what tinru of pressing your fire extin- like to submit to the Hon. Minister that guishing service into service, the city tire judicial inquiry should be conducted into service reached on the spot ? When this this incident. Who was present at the shop incident took place, its cause was given as at that time, did any stranger come to the a toaster. You have appointed the Diiecior sh< p and what was burning there at that as enquiry officer. This shows thac you have iiire ? So it is necessary that all these facts made clear before the enquiry th.it the cause are enquired into. Nothing such has been of the fire was toaster and nothing else. said in your statement. The fire had broken When this fire took place, there was smoke out in shop No. 1 which was a shop of also and you have said that you immediately readymade garments and there was nothing madj arrangements and controlled the fire. in flammable. At least you should have Some inconvenience was caused to the taken us into confidence through your passengers also- The question is that it can officers about the probability of the incident. be a deliberate attempt as well as unitentional We were expecting a reply from you as to fire. Such incidents do happen. In the whether it was a part of a big conspiracy or circumstances prevailing in the country, every an act of the foreigners or intruders who thing is possible. You will have to think wanted to create disorder in our country. seriously over it. I would suggest that in As per the report received from the stead of asking tbe Director to enquire into press, we are thankful to your department 233 Calling Attention KARtlKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Calling Attention 234 that they succeedcd in controlling the fire some other suggestions which came from immediately. The fire extinguishers are kept Digheji that faulty construction, no proper at every place there and with their help the place where people can come and sit, but fire could have been extinguished imme- anyway whatever is made now, nothing caQ diately. Tbe buckets of water and sand are be done. But tbe third module which is also available there. Had the fire spread, going to be made in that we will see some the consequences thereof would have been more modifications can be done as per your horrible. It appears that there was none to suggestions and we would let the architect operate the fire equipments. Had those know about it. The mere fact that, you are equipments been utilised in time, the fire able to control the fire in time, it only could have been extinguished at the initjal shows that the International Airport stage itself. It is also possible that all the Authority office and the people concerning people working there, might not be knowing them, had done their job well and we must the operation of the equipments, therefore congratulate them. It was only because the it is necessary that they should be imparted fire alarm system was working that we came proper training of it. Since this incident to know about the fire within a minute was related to Airport, so it could have or so. Probably, if the fire alarm system caused us a huge loss. Therefore we want had not worked, we would have had a that complete judicial enquiry should be serious fire. conducted into the reasons of incident and facts may be made known to the Coming back as to bow we came to general public. We expect only this much the conclusion that the fire had started from from you. Shop No. 1 on a heater, now it is common precaution which I do not want to say, but I agree with it. 1 would make sure that [English) this Committee will lock into it and that SHRI JAGDISH TYTLER : Sir, first of ihe responsibility may be fixed on the all, 1 am greatful to the Members for the Airport Manager to check that all these concern that they have shown, the sugges- dangerous things which are being done inside tions that they have given and also the the Airport, which could be safety hazards, comments which they have made regarding they should be fined or punished or their International Airport Authority licenses should be withdrawn, if they break this thing. We will see to it that this is done. Regarding fire, as soon as I came Small fire or big fire, it is alarming to know about the fire, there was no flight because nobody knows what turn the fire and I was very keen to go but within a hour can take. After all, we are all humanbeings or so, we got the information that the fire and we may or may not be able to control is under control and by the first flight, our it. I would like to go back to 1979 when Chairman went theie. He is a senior most the first fire took place in Bombay. There person, as far as the International Airport was some recommendation which was given Authority is concerned. Our concern is at that time, as one of the Hon. Members there. Our officers’ concern is there. Even had said. The recommendation at ihai time my officers' in the Ministry arc all aware was that we must have insurance, I do not what is happening ? What precaution are know exactly for what amount. The recom- being taken to see that thing should not mendation, I would inform you, was for the recur ? Even the Air India did a good job installation of fire detection and fire alarm because their public address system was systems and to use less wood. Then also, working. That is why, in a very systematic because the fire took place, where the way, the people were taken to the module 1 exhaust of the air conditioning valve had where the luggage was removed and not a blasted, and they had asked them that this single pile of luggage was damaged. No should be installed in tbe air conditioning passenger got hurt because all people started system because fire had started from the running here and there. We got it done air conditioning unit. very systematically by moving people from one place to another. But the fire did not I would like to inform the Membersengulf them. They cojld move in a care that all these precautions we had taken find free manner. The mere fact that we control-? 235 Calling Attention NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Matters Under Rule 377 2^6

led the fire that was the reason why there have to See that passengers are safe, and was not much damage suffered. Why we that the building is safe. After the insurance have said this because, we have still to file work is started, we will try to bring the a claim from the insurance people. Roughly, building into operationas quickly as we have said that the fire damage must be possible. between Rs. 15 lakhs to Rs. 20 lakhs. We do not know. I do not think it is that much. But it is for the insurance people and the airport authorities to decide. It 12.42 hrs. cannot be done now, because we have come to Parliament within two days of the fire. MATTERS UNDER RULE 377 We cannot tell you exactly. But the damage ['Translation]. was done to the escalators, ceilings, some tiles and flooring. All this has to be repair- (i) Need to start a new train from ed, but we do not know how much is the Kota or Ratlam to Delhi and to damage. restart Dehradun Express SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL (Kota) : I have just got a report: the total Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, Kota is a largest insurance at the airport is for Rs. 42.82 industrial city of Rajasthan where the Rajas- crores, i.e. for Terminals I and II. Terminal- than Atomic Power Project and various other II is insured for Rs. 20.58 crores. That is big factories are situated and the people from the insurance that we have. all parts of the country are working there. All the trains running from Kota- to Delhi Coming to the first point, Mr. Dighe are so overcrowded that thousands of passen- had asked how we can conclude in any gers have to go back from the station due to manner* because when the Chairman of the non-availability of reservation. In Frontier International Airport Authority had gone Mail the ticket is to be purchased up to there and saw things,’nobody ha‘d reported Meerut instead of Delhi and in Bombay- anything. I do not want to comment on Jammu Tawi the ticket is to be purchased it, because I have a full enquiry; and if the upto Ambala. The reservation available in enquiry does not bring out a satisfactory Delux and Sarvodaya trains is almost negligi- answer to some of the questions you have ble. Under such circumstances, the poor and raised, and if it does not satisfy me about middle class people can only travel by the cause of the fire or the precautions, Dehradun and Janata Express. Therefore, surely we would like to give it to another I request the Central Government to start a authority which is competent; but that new train from Kota or Ratlam to Delhi. decision can be taken only after I am not satisfied, or if the report which comes is 19 Down and 20 up Dehradun Express such that it gives vague answers. But if it running between Bombay and Dehradun, does not bring out results, I will make sure have been cancelled, though it was the most that we have a proper enquiry on it. useful train on this route. Therefore, this train should be restarted immediately. If it is necessary to cancel a train due to certain We have taken precautions. I have also reasons, any other train running on this mentioned them.’ One Hon. Member had route may be cancelled. But Dehradun spoken about God. Naturally, we are all Express should be restarted. In addition to God-fearing people. We would all like to it, a new train from Ratlam-Kota to Delhi pray to God to see that no damage is done should be introduced. to either the national property or to any individual persons. It is a general phrase [English] which anybody can use. But I would like (11) Need to declare the people of to inform the House that every precaution Ladakh region as Scheduled has been taken, and that is why we were Tribe able to control the fire. Whether it is a small fire or a big one, it is the concern of SHRI P. NAMGYAL (Ladakh) : The my Ministry, or my Department; and we mini-census in connection with the grant of 237 Matters Under Rule 377 KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Matters Under Rule 377 2 3 8

a scheduled tribe status for Ladakhis has [Translation] already been completed on 30th September (iv) Demand for TV Relay Centres at 1986, and a similar census in the other parts Dam oh and Panna districts of of Jammu and Kashmir State is likely to be conducted some time early next year, i e. Madhya Pradesh 1987. Since the case relating to Ladakh SHRI DAL CHANDER JAIN (Damoh) : region is specific and separate from the rest Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, under rule 377 I of the State, as the original demand for grant would like to submit as under : of a scheduled tribe status for ihem had come from Ladakh long back, the issue In Bundel Khand region of Madhya Pradesh needed to be isolated, from the issues relating Damoh and Panna are- backward districts. to the other two regions of the State. I, In Damoh a Doordarshan Prasaran Bhavan therefore, urge upon Government of India to compile a separate report in respect of the has been constructed with public cooperation and a dise has also been brought there. The mini-census conducted for the Ladakh region, average population of Harijani* and Adiwasis and early steps initialed for the declaration is 40 per cent in that area I would, thereof the people of Ladakh region as a fore, like to draw the attention especially of scheduled tribe, to fulfil their long standing demands. the Hon. Minister of Information and Broad- casting that this Doordarshan Relay Centre should be started in 1986 melf. Similarly Panna is also a backward diiUrict and the population of the Harijans and Adiwasis is (iii) Preventive steps needed to save 40 per cent of its total population. Therefore Lakshadweep from the menace of a Doordarshan Relay Centre should also be sea erosion opened there in 1986 itself.

SHRI P. M. SAYEED (Lakshadweep) : [English] I wish to draw the attention of government to the devastating effect that sea erosion is (v) Need to take immediate steps for steadily having on Lakshadweep. the development of Paradeep Port

SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY (Puri) : Paradip Port is a major port in the There is a dire need to draw up both country. Economic progress of Orissa is short term and long term comprehensive interlinked with the development of the port. Dlans to put a stop to this menace ] suggest But to achieve the high export possibility of that priority be assigned to attend immedi- the port, ihe following problems need ately on the dimension of this problem. To immediate attention cf the Government of begin with the inhabitated islands wh'ch are India : ten in number be taken up. The smallest ■* island namely Bitra having a population of (i) * Need to take speedy decision on the 200 inhabitants spread over an area of 27 revised proposal of M/s Hyundai acres be pulled out of the grave situation. Corporation of South Koiea envisa- ging deepening of Paradeep Port to accommodate vessels of 1,70,010 There should not be a long gap between WT, and to provide railway aiding now and the action plans and their imple- and mining facilities to enable augmentation to reclaim what has already been mentation of the exports of iron lost. ore from the Port to the extent of 6 million tonnes annually.

I appeal to ihe government to mobilise (ii) Removal of wrecks of two sunken all the available resources to sa\e Laksha- dredgers, namely, Dredger Konark dweep from ruinous damage. and MOT No. Ill at Port with the Matters Under Rule 377 NOVEMBER 12 1986 Delhi Fire Prevention &. 240 Fire Safety Bill—Contd.

help of the navy as tbe two sunken than Rs. two crores, the U. G. C. would dredgers are a potential danger to grant Rs. six crores. Already faculty mem- the safe navigation in the channel of bers have been appointed. But the U. G. C. the Port. under one pretext or another is not releasing funds. (iii) Need for early implementation of the recommendations of the Beach I demand that the UGC should release Erosion Board to stop the sea the amount for the said University without erosion at Paradeep. any further delay,

(vi) Need for organising voluntary con- (vili) Need to help the State of Tamil sumer efforts to protect them from Nadu to augment the generation unhealthy trade practices of thermal power

SHRI SATYENDRA NARAYAN SHRI P. KOLANDA1VELU (Gobi- SINHA (Aurangabad) : The recent investi- chettipalayam) : Electricity power is always gations into the so-called sale of consumer a constraint so far as Tamil Nadu is con- goods have revealed hew consumers are being cerned. The Tamil Nadu Government have misled. In one such sale where consumers already exploited almost all sources for were told that rock bottom prices were being power generation. Now Tamil Nadu is offered, MRTP found that mostly rejects depending upon Thermal and Atomic Energy. from the mills were being sold as genuine It is very necessary to have Russian aid for material. In another case, the MRTP found a Thermal Power plant with three units of that sarees claimcd as belonging to a vell- 210 MW each at Cuddalore in South Arcot known brand weie not so. These inslances District. It is also understood that there was may only be the tip of the icebeig. In rrost already a discussion between the Prime of these cases the consumer gets wiser only Minister of India and the President Mr. after the event. To protect the consumer Gorbachev of USSR in this regard permission voluntary efforts could be organised as in also has to be granted to the Southern Energy some foreign countries where traders organi- Development Corporation Limited in Madras sations have to certify the genuineness of the to import strerrring coal from Australia to sale and penalty for misleadirg consurrers is implement and operate Third stage expan- heavy. The Government should consider sion of the Tuticorin Thermal Power Plant legislating on these lines to protect ihe consisting of two units of 210 MW each in consumer. a joint venture with the Tamil Nadu Electri- city Board. Industrial growth in Tamil Nadu is very much affected due to lack of power (vil) Need to-release grants by University generation and there is irore unemployment Grants Commission to Vidyasagar ard under employment. The Government of University, Midnapore in West Irdia has to come forward immediately to Bengal ihe belp of Tamil Nadu.

DR. SUDHIR ROY (Burdwan) : Vidyasagar University, Midnapore, West Bengal has been functioning for nearly five 12.50 hrs. years. Post-Graduate teaching has started in this University and nearly 35 colleges are DELHI FIRE PREVENTION AND FIRE effiliated to it. The University lays emphasis SAFETY BILL— Contd. on teaching non*traditional subjects like marine biology, oceanography, cooperative [E n g lis h ) movement, Panchayati Raj, etc. Though the Government of West Bengal released grants MR. * DEPUTY SPEAKER : We now of more than Rs. two crores for the Univer- take up Item No. 10. Further consideration sity, the U. G. C. so far has not released of the following motion moved by Shri any grant. The original understanding was Chintamani Panigrahi on the 1 l th November, that if thfc State government spends more 1986, namely ; 241 Delhi Fire Prevention & KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Delhi Fire Prevention 242 Fire Safety Bill— Contd. Fire Safety Bill - Contd.

“That the Bill to make more effective taken by him under sub-section (1) provision for the fire prevention and shall be payable by the owner or fire safety measures in certain build- occupier on demand and shall, if not ings and premises in the Union paid within ten days after such demand, Territory of Delhi, be taken into be recoverable as arrears of land consideration.” revenue.”

Shri Somnath Rath. * It pre-supposes that the Chief Fire Officer had to spend some money. It may be SHRI SOMNATH RATH (Aska) : Sir, necessary to dismantle or change the premises this Fire Prevention and Fire Safety Bill is a and it may come to huge amount. Surpri- very welcome measure, There are massive singly there is no Financial Memorandum in buildings in Delhi, besides five-star hotels the Bill. So, whcrCi from will he get the and a few months back there was a big fire money ? How wilt he discharge his duties havoc in a hotel in Delhi where som£ persons under section 7 under which he has been died and many were injured. empowered to do so unless funds are placed at his disposal. The Hon. Mimster may The owners of multi-storey flats do not replv that it wjll be provided in the rules. provide the necessary fire safety measures in It cannot be Rules can speak how the funds high buildings as required. Fire fighting and will be utilised. Rules cannot provide funds. fire safety measures in the Union Territory It is the Act that will provide funds. Rules of Delhi are the responsibility of the Delhi derive their existence from the Act and Municipal Corporation. they cannot over-ride the Act It is a great lacuna in the Bill. I have also given an amendment. If the Hon. Minister so pleases, While coming to the Bill I see that there be may accept it. I have given an amendment is a departure from the normal procedure in for insert:on oT a new clause 7A. It says : this Bill. I will invite the attention of the that the this expenditure should be incurred Hon. Minister through you to clauses 4, 5 from the Consolidated Fund of India. Or and 7 of the Bill. Clause 4 deals with the else clause 7 will be inoperative. When the measures for fire prevention and fire safety. Hon Minister replies, I hope he will clarify It says that the authority can diject the the position. owner or occupier of such building or premises to undertake such measures as may be specified in the notice. Clause 4(2) says: 13.00 hrs. ‘‘The nominated authority shall also give a report of any inspection made by it under Another point that 1 would like to men- section 3 to the Chief Fire Officer. Then tion is that this Bill is meant to take speedy comes clause 5 relating to power to seal action. In secrion 8 it has been stated building or premises. It says that the Chief that against the order of the Chief Fire Fire Officer can even seal the building or Officer, there shall lie an appeal to the premises forthwith. Clause 5(2) says that Appellate Tribunal within thirty days. Then the Chief Fire Officer may direct any police there is also a second appeal. Of course, officer having jurisdiction in the area to there is an amendment by some Hon. Mem- remove such persons from the building or bers that it may not be appeal, it may be premises and such officer shall comply with revision because there is lot of difference such directions. Clause 7 says : between appeal and revision. If the appellate authority so wishes, he can condone the ‘‘The Chief Fire Officer shall, in the time limit. Section 8(2) says. “An appeal event of non-compliance of any notice shall lie to the Administrator against the issued under section 5 or section 6, order of the Appellate Tribunal.” That is take such steps as may be' neccssary also with n thirty days and here also the for the compliance of such notice. Administrator is empowered to condone the delays. So, how long will this process go (2) All expenses incurred by the Chief on ? When we are thinking of the safely Fire Officer in relation to any steps measures, fire firhting measrrcs, are we to 243 . Delhi Fire Prevention & NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Delhi Fire Prevention & 244 Fire Safety Bill—Contd. Fire Safety Bill—Contd.

[Shri Somnath Ruth] to two and half years back, when our Prime Minister Shri Rajiv Gandhi was General wait till the appeal is disposed of after one Secretary of the Congress (1), a possible year or more because the first appeal will devastating fire incident was averted and the take some time, then the second appeal will Fire brigade could not reach there in time also take some time ? Is it in the fitness of and the matter is still being enquired. In the things that there should not be two appeals ? absence of some competent authority, various It must be summarily disposed of. In Section effective actions could not be taken and the 9, jurisdiction of courts" has been barred. penal process is so weak that if someone Under these circumstances, 1 submit that ignores some rules and does not strictly these are two important factors which need follow them, very minor punishment is given. the attention of the Hon. Minister and I Therefore, it is a good thing that Govern- request him to reply to these. ment have brought forward this Bill which * *■ provides for more vigorous punishment and MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : We now mote fine. The most important thing in this adjourn for lunch and will reassemble at Bill is that if any one commits this mistake 2 p.m. 4 second, third or fourth time his punishment will alsci be increased accordingly. In Delhi 13.02 hrs. the law is being followed strictly as compared to the other States, but when it is neces- The Lok Sabha then adjourned for sary to follow the laws more strictly, at the lunch till Fourteen o f the Clock same time it is also equally important that the general people should be properly edu- cated and when even they intend to construct a muKi'Storeyed building, they should get the The Lok Sabha reassembled after map approved and-should themselves follow lunch at seven minutes past the provisions of this Bill. Fourteen o f the Clock * So far as the provisions of the Bill are [MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : in the Chair] concerned, they are good. There should be proper arrangement for extinguishing of fire, DELHI FIRE PREVENTION AND when it breaks out in any building. There FIRE SAFETY BILL— Contd. should be no violation of these rules. Gene- rally it has been observed that sucji laws are MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Shri Raj violated by the big people and the big officers Kumar Rai, silently watch such violatioo. Therefore, when you have introduced this Bill in the House [Translation] and now when it is being passed, you should ensure that big people may not violate it. SHRI RAJ KUMAR RAI (Ghosi) : Mr. It is an open secret that the mistakes are Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am thankful to you started by the big people only. for providing rne an opportunity to speak on • *■ Delhi Fire Prevention and Fire Safety Bill, Besides, it is also necessary that the morale of the employees of this service Sir, through this Bill, an effort has been should also be kept high. We can keep their made to improve the service of Fire Brigade morale high by providing them more pro- in Delhi to deal with the fire incidents in motional avenues, housing facility, communi- multi-storeyed buildings. Therefore,’ our cation facility and increasing their salary. Government have brought this Bill with The most important thing to be looked into good intention and the efforts have been is that sometimes old vehicles are given to made in it that if it is strictly followed, the them which are not workable. number of fire incidents can be reduced considerably. The past expericncc shows that Sir, though it is related to Delhi, but so many multi-storeyed buildings have come deviating from the subjcct, 1 would like to up in Delhi and last year a devastating fire draw your attention towards the villages in incident took place in Sidhartha hotel. Two far flung areas where a poor farmer collects 245 Delhi Fire Prevention & KARtlKA 21, 1908 (SAKA} Delhi Fire Prevention <£ 246 Fire Safety Bill—Contds Fire Safety Bill—Co»td. his crops after a year long hard work and which destroy man completely. All his earn- sometime, he becomes a victim of such fire ings, property, possessions, food, clothing accidents. I am talking about the area and all other resources and even his self particularly the one I represent. In Uttar respect is destroyed completely. Hence, it i& Pradesh, this facility is not provided at all in an aspect on which we should deliberate all the cities or is negligible. Therefore, it is with calmness so that we can take certain also necessary to make fire brigade service steps against it. in Lucknow, Gorakhpur, Banaras and Allahabad cities in Uttar Pradesh more Sir, I want to draw your attention to efficient and effective. Ours is a welfare state, two or three points. In Delhi, there have therefore it should also pay attention towards been cases of negligence and the Govern- the prevention of fire incidents in fields and ment, in order to check such carelessness, threshing places in the rural areas. has ordered maximum punishment for the i culprits, but the said orders are not being enforced within a time limit. The files con- I know that in the case of a fire incident, taining the above mentioned orders are not the Police officials were informed. The being cleared in time and as a consequence District Magistrate and S.S.P. had issued such cases of negligence are being repeated. orders to the big officers of Fire services, I want that wherever there is any negligence but no action was taken because vehicle was of duty, or fire—fighting provisions are not not in order or staff was not ready or water implemented, then the guilty should be was not available. And as a result, every- punished within a definite time-frame, so that thing was reduced to ashes and nobody they can became examples for others, and could do anything. Had the water been people could take measures to save them- available there, the fire could have been selves from lire hazards. controlled by employing man power.

With these words, I would fully support Sometimes hundreds of houses are reduc- the Bill, and hope that whatever little sugges- ed to .ashes in a single fire accident and the tions I have offered, would be considered by earnings of the entire village is lost. There- the Government. fore, it is necessary to extend fire service facility to villages more speedily and appoint [English] staff for this purpose. You should make provision to provide this facility to rural SHRI V. S. KRISHNA IYER (Bangalore areas as well. South) : Sir, I welcome this Bill though it is belated and though it has certain loop-holes. Sir, you are aware that our Government The Delhi Fire Brigade is controlled by the wants to do a lot for the rural development. Delhi Municipal Corporation. Of course, Sir, Indiraji had said that if we wanted to the present provisions in the Corporation see India a safe, developed and prosperous Act are not adequate to enforce preventive country, then first of all, we would have to measures or safety measures on any body.' I pay more attention to our villages, because welcome the idea that there should be a 70 per cent of the population of our country single agency to control and to take preven* is living in villages. If we want to pay our tive and safety measures. attention towards our villages, theu we have to bring about upliftment of our farmers and I would like to draw the attention of the labourers. Therefore I request the Govern- Hon Minister to one or two loop-holes in ment that when it is doing this good work, the present Bill. Of course, I am sure the it should also bring another legislation to Minister will give proper clarifications. In prevent such fire accidents in the villages Clause 3 it is stated “ the nominated and small cities and towns throughout the authority may, after giving three hours’ country. notice to the occupier, or if there be no occupier, to the owner of any building having Sir, as you know, when any calamity such height as may be specified by the befalls man, it may not be totally destructive. rules"...In this connection, I would like to But floods and fire are two such calamities know from the Hon. Minister whether thesa 147 Delhi I ire Prevention & NOVhMHLR 12, 1986 Delhi Fire Vrtveniion A 248 Fire Safety Bill—‘Contd. Fire Safety Bill— Contd.

[Shri V. S. Krishna lver] In Delhi, the fire brigade has jurisdiction over the entire Union Territory of Delhi provisions of law will apply only to high- and at the moment there are four local rise buildings, or even to the ordinary bodies here in Delhi. It is good that now, buildings. It is a contradiction. The building so far as fire brigade is concerned, they will is defined in the definition of the Bill come under one single agency and powers “ building” means a house, out-house, stable, are given to punish' those who do not take latrine, urinal etc. etc. It is quite clear that preventive measures. According to the in the definition you have given the defini- byelaws of the Delhi Municipal Corporation, tion of the “ building” as has been existing before any licence is issued by them, a no- right now. In Clause 3, it is stated that the objection certificate has to be taken from nominated authority shall iospect only high- the Chief Fire Officer. I know what happens. rise buildings. Can they not enforce thebe 1 was a Municipal Corporator, 1 was a preventive measures and safety measures on Mayor and I was also Urban Development others ? I would like to have this clarification Minister. The responsibility ol the Chief from the Hon. Minister- If it is so, then I Fire Officer should not stop immediately feel that it is really a mistake. 1 do not on after he has given the no-objection certificate. what basis and on what motive this has been He must see to it that the necessary preven- done. I would request the Hon. Minister to tive measures are taken. He should inspect clarify this point. If necessary, I suggest that the building. Now what happens is, he gives even now it is not too late to bring an the no-objection certificate and the Municipal amendment. Because, budding means every Corporation issues the licence; afterwards, bu lding. The nominated authority shall have the Chief Fire Officer will not have any powers to inspect any building. I would responsibility; he will stop after issuing the request you to just go through the whole certificate, In many Municipalities there is matter. a provision in the Municipal, Act for com- pounding an offence if there is a deviation. If there is no such provision in the Delhi ■Sir, io Clause 6, it has been mentioned Municipal Coipoiation Act, I woukj suggest that the Chief Fire Officer may enter and that we should have an amendment, in this inspect any building. It does not say it is piece of legislation, a provision that, when only high-rise buildings. It says he can ins- there is a deviation or there is something pect any building. Here, height is not given. agaiDst the recommendation of tlie Chief Of course those buildings which were cons- Fire Officer, without consulting the Chief tructed before 1983, that you have mention- Fire Officer, the Corporation authorities shall ed. The Chief Fire Officer has authoiity not compound the offence. 1 am sure the to inspect any building. The Nominated Hon. Minister will look into this aspect. authority is not supposed to inspect other buildings. I would request you to clarify More than these provisions, what is impor- this. tant is that our fire services must be alert and very efficient. This legislation is an Another point I would like to bring to offshoot of the many fire accidents that took the notice of the Hon. Minister is that this phne in New Delhi, the Capital of our House is the Supreme Legislative fiody of country. There were fire accidents in Siddarth the country Any Act passed hy this House Hotel and Gopala Tower. Last week there should be a model to other States. Just now, was a fire accident in Chandni Chowk, and one Hon. Member has said that the fire 1 read in the papers that the fire brigade services have been inadequate even in metro- came one hour after they were informed and poiitian cities—leave alone rural areas. Of by that time the shops and other pioperties course there is even in big cities, we do not had been gutted. It should not happen like have adequate lire preventive measures. Of that. Wc should see that the fire brigade is course, it is the responsibility of the State very alert and smart. The moment they get Governments. But the legislation we make information, telephonically or otherwise, should be a model for all the States; it should they should rush to the spot and lake the be such that every State should emulate it. necessary measures. In almost all the locali- We should ^ee that all States take similar ties we have fire brigade stations and they preventive measures everywhere. should be able to tak$ immediate action, 249 Delhi Fire Prevention & KART1KA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Delhi Fire Prevention & 250 Fire Safety BUI— Contd. Fire Saf ety Bill— Contd,

Fiie brigade is a very specialised one and killing thousands of people and destroying it is very hazardous also, The fire brigade property worth crores of rupees. The instruc- personnel work not only when there is fire, tion power which has been provided io this but their services are also utilised when bill, and the power granted to seal buildings there is a building collapse or some such and premises in case of fire, and imprison- thing. It is a specialised service, and you ment of those who arc found violating the must see that they aie given proper training law, in my opinion, would greatly help in and also all facilities. controlling various fiie-accidents. The Parliament is the highest law making body So far as Delhi is concerned, 1 do not of the country. Therefore, such laws should know whether they have sufficient equipment. be framed which could be emulated by all We must see that, wherever ihere are high- the States and fire prevention and fire safety rise buildings, in citics like Bombay, Madras, laws could be framed by the respective States Delhi and other places, they have proper cn that basis. Tleiefore, this law should equipment. That is necessary to fight the be made after careful consideration of every tire. 1 am sure the Hon. Minister will look aspect. In this connection, I would suggest, into this aspect also. firstly, that the fiie safety equipments are so * worn-out at places, that only 1/4 of its original efficiency or usefulness is left, due In today’s paper 1 read a report that to which a number of difficulties have to be about 900 huts were gutted in one of the faccd. At times such fire brigades are used, unauthorised colonies of Dell)i. They are which take lalf an hour n>wely to start unauthorised constructions and you cannot their engines. 'Hence, it is important to pay ask them ta have -preventive measures in attention to the equipment. My second their places-where the slum-dwellers are suggestion is in regard to the commLnication residing, 'It should be the responsibility of gap which exists between the place where a the Municipal Corporation to take fire pre- fire accident has cccurtd and the fire control ventive measures in such areas. They may be offices. Due to the lack of information, the living in unauthorised colonies, but they are lire brigades do not arrive at the ^pot of the all humanbeings and they are our voters also accident in time and in fact, arrive when 1 am sure tbe Hon. Minister will look into all the harm has already been done and this. everything has ,teen reduced to ashes. This must be given due consideration. One or two years back there was a fire accident in ore of the marriage parties con- My complaint in regard to the staff is ducted in a ihomiana Even in such places that they begin to work only when fire has you must see that pre fire preventive measu- actually broken out somewhere, otherwise res are taken. Even if there is a temporary they keep sitting on their chairs like rusted construction, preventive measures must be iron. By this Bill efioits should be made to taken. provide the staff with continuous training so that they may remain alert and may work I welcome this piecc of legislation- I have wiih necessary agility when needed. Moreover, pointed cut certain loopholes in the Bill and emphasis has also been placed on the height I am sure the Hon. Minister will see that of the building in this Bill. It has been stipu- those loopholes are plugged and the clari- lated that for enforcement of this law, the fications that 1 have sought are given, height of any building should not be less than 15 metres. We should not unduly bother about the height of buildings. If a [Translation] smaller building catches fire, then also there is harm done, although it may be on a lesser SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL (Kota) : ?cale. Therefore, safety measures should be Mr. Deputy Speaktr, Sir, I welcome and adopted and enforced strictiy, regardless of support the Delhi Fire Prevention and Fire the size of the building. Equal attention Safety Bill, 1986. Due to the shortage should be paid to posh cclories and slums of enough number of fire brigades in regard to fire prevention and fire safety and other preventive measures, &e\eral buil- Pleasures. While passing plans of new buildings and premises are destroyed by fire, dings it should be seen whether fire fighting 251 Delhi Fire Prevention & NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Delhi Fire Prevention & 251 Fire Safety Bill— Contd. Fire Safety Bill— Contd.

[Shri Shanti Dhariwal] as a whole and,- as such, I would go into its long-term aspect rather than short-term provisions have been made there or not. aspect. Often it is seen that building plans are sanctioned without scrutinizing whether such Sir, I came in contact with this organisa- provisions have been made. They never visit tion during the war days when it was called those buildings even after they are construc- Air Raid Precaution and Civil Defence. ted and sanction plans of even multistoreyed Eversince then nothing has been done wor- buildings. There are hundreds of buildings thwhile to improve this organisation. It is in Delhi where adequate fire fighting pro- indeed a State subject and Centre cannot visions have not been made. Inspite of the do anything. But, Sir, police is also a State lack of fire-safety provisions, buildings have subject and whenever there is a discussion boen constructed and are being used. Action on Police the Centre gives due attention must be taken against such officials who and tries to improve the State police as well. show dereliction of their duty by permitting Therefore, fire brigade should not stand on the construction and use of buildings which a different footing. It is as much important lack necessary fire fighting provisions. If as is police. The pattern of problem to be inspite of this shortcoming, buildings are dealt with by fire brigade is changing from allowed to be constructed, then they might what it was 40-50 years ago. Certain prove to be dangerous at any time, and it improvements have been carried out but it was because of this reason that some build- is not so in the rural areas. We have nuc ings had caught fire recently. problems of gas leak. We have now problems of electrical short-circuit at unexpected places In future, strict action must be taken We have chemical leakages, we have nuc- against those officials who give permission lear leakages too. That is why, it is a ques- for the construction of buildings, without the tion of reorganization of the fire services provision of proper fire pervention and fire in the country. I think we should think in safety system. These officials should be a manner which would envisage an overall punished and even dismissed from service. improvement of the fire services with regard Finally, I would request that such provisions to its specialization and modernization of may also be included in the Bill. the sei vices. It is at present so much neglected that in the 4th Pay Commission Report there was no mention about the pay and [English) allowances of fire service personnel. That would reflect the type of interest the SHRI ATAUR RAHMAN (Barpeta) : Government at the Centre and Governments Mr. Deputy Speaker* Sir, I welcome the Bill in tbe States are taking. The excuse is that and I find the Bill is not one day too late. there are no funds, no land for setting up It should have come much earlier. But what fire services. Most of the accommodation I find is that the Bill has come into this for fire services in various big cities as also august House by virtue of the fact that Delhi in other cities is in dilapidated rent houses. is in the Union Territory otherwise there is Even the fire service tenders do not have no scope for a discussion of such an impor- any garages. They are left outside to rot. tant matter in this House. Various subjects under the Ministry of Home Affairs are Then, it is a non-plan thing. I, therefore, raised in the House but fire services are suggest that in future the aspect of specia- never mentioned and never taken seriously lization and modernization should go in anywhere. the Plan budget and the normal fire brigade administration into the non-Plan budget.

While supporting every provision of the We have various aspects under fire figh- Bill I would not like to go into the niceties ting. We have fire prevention, fire fighting, of the legal provisions. Certain good points first aid and major fires. First aid is very have been raised by my friend Mr. Krishna much important in the sense that in foreign Iyer.We should not look at this Bill in isola* countries, first aid is given not by medical tion. It is a matter which affects the country institutions, it is given by the fire brigade. 253 Delhi Fire Prevention & KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Delhi Fire Prevention & 254 Fire Safety Bill— Contd, Fire Safety Bill— Contd.

That is why we should also remodel the done that, then he may say as to how much idea of fire brigade here. Even ambulances expenditure will be incurred on it ? in other countries are run by fire brigade. 1 do not know whether it is run by fire It' our Hon. Deputy Speaker has paid brigade here or not. May be it is done here, attention to this bill, then be may have but it is not done in the other cities. There- noticed that it is a mandatory provision and fore, instructions may be issued by the the Hon. Minister should elaborate as to Minister to the different fire brigades in the what tbe annual expenditure would be ? He States to take up ambulance services as has not presented any memorandum in this well. regard. The Hon. Speaker should have returned the Bill, but God knows as to how As regards equipment, I am told that you have moved it and it is being discussed. they do not have ladders of the type they need to fight fire in high rise buildings, they [English] do not have gas masks in different fire brigades. They do not have even hydrants MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER ; You just from which they would draw water and use put forth your argument. it for fighting fire. Not only that, they do not have static takns in areas where rire is likely to occur. In other countries, they have SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA : This is special parking places for vehicles, but we very important. I want to invite the atten- do not have there. That is why, a lot of tion of the Hon. Deputy Speaker. It is rethinking is necessary. I would suggest that the duty of the Speaker to take note of the in future we should have a unified fire service facts. The rule says that there should be two itmes, one is delegation and the second is for the whole of India. 1 would insist upon setting up of a fire Service Commission in financial memorandum. When there is no financial memorandum, this Bill should have pursuance of tbe wishes of the All India ■ Fire Services Association which asked for been returned. it in 1980. I am told that there is no system of evaluation of fire services. The [ Translation] Centre has a lot of responsibility to take up this metter. I am told that there is a Fire I have not come to know as to how Service Advisory Council, but their sugges- there could have been a fire in Delhi before tions are just mere suggestions and nobody this Bill was moved. Delhi is a large metro- looks up at them. And no body in the Home politan city. If instead of Delhi, the same Ministry has time to have a look at them. had happened in Calcutta or Chandigarh, I suggest that a competent body should be what provision are there for its prevention set up, whose suggestions should be conside- and control ? Wbat arrangements are there red mandatory. in large cities for fire prevention and fire safety ? I am implying that the scope of a Bill should not te so little. It must have So, with these words I wish you well wider jurisdiction. and I hope that the Government will set up a Commission to go into the various In this Bill, which deals with fire fight- lacunae and disadvantages of the Fire ing arrangements in Delhi, it is written and Service. I quote;

[Tram la i ion] [English]

SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA (Pali) : “This Act will be called Delhi Fire Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, first, 1 did not Prevention and Fire Safety Act and it know as to why the Hon. Minister of State will extend to the whole of the Union in the Ministry of Home Affairs, has intro- Territory,” duced this Bill. He must know that before moving such a Bill it is essential to brirg a Why cannot it be applied to such other areas financial memorandum also. If he has not that the Central Government may notify ? 2 55 Delhi Fire Prevention & NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Delhi Fire Prevention & 256 Fire Safety Bill— Contd. Fire Safety Bill Contd.

IShri Mool Chand Daga] repairs of buildings and construction of emergency exits. It will involve heavy [ Translation] expenditure. You should issue all the ins- It might have been added in this Bill that tructions regarding height of the building, its provisions would apply to other areas also emergency exits and availability of water to when the Central Government issues the extenguish fire before the commencement of required notification. But this did not strike construction After this the Municipal Corpo- the Government -officers, and they framed a ration of D^lhi should be entrusted with Bill which has very little scope thinking that responsibility for all these things. the new Minister would pilot the Bill without asking many questions. Was it considered [English] \ before, framing the Bill, that its provisions fall under the Delhi Municipal Corporation They must tnke all precautions. Before he Act. I was saying that construction and gets permission for putting up or construct- maintenance of buildings fells under the ing a building, he should take all precau- jurisdiction of the Coiporation, Before const- tions. ructing, building experts should be consulted to find out as to what equipments should be [Translation] there to check fire. You can consult the engineers also in this connection" to determine the We have heard a new thing (hat you heights of buildings and houses to be cons- will make certain facilities obligatory in the tructed. Don’t you take care of all these buildings already existing. The Members points when approving the maps ? Scction here do not know even how to place the 400 reads : cooking gas apparatus. Sometime ihey do not even close the regulator of gas They do [English] not know how io use that gas. You must pay attention to all these basic things...... “The Commissioner may by public (Interruptions) So I was submitting that you notice prohibit in any case where such have made these provisions due to certain prohibition appears to him to be reasons, but there are no such reasons. necessary for the prevention of danger of life or property, the stacking or Then you have granted the right to collecting of wood, dry grass, straw or other inflammable materials., etc.** appeal within a period of one month. You must have thought about it while drafting the Act. [Translation] I think it would have been better that [ English] instead of incorporating all these provisions in this Bill, the Municipal corporation of It should be from the date of receipt of Delhi would have been entrusted with this roticc, and not from the date of issue of task. In this way you have created a sepa- nctice. rate new Authority. Any new authority was * not needed when the Municipal Corporation [Tans lation] of Delhi and the Delhi Development You have to be careful about the provisions Authority are already there. to be made. Then there is clause 8 : — [English] • There is a new authority. Administrator. [English] “Administrator” means, the Administrator It says under proviso to sub-clause (2) : of Delhi appointed by the President Under Article 2^9 of the Constitution. “ Provided that the Administrator may entertain an appeal after the ebiry of [Translation] the said period of thirty days if he is After the implementation of this Bill you satisfied that there was sufficient cause will issue orders for the demolition and for not filling it within that period.” 257 Delhi Fire Prevention & KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Delhi Fire Prevention A 258 Fire Safety Bill—Contd. Fire Safety Bill— Co^td.

[Translation] “building” means a house, outhouse, stable, latrine, urinal, shed, hut, wall In the provision for notice. (other than a boundary wall) or any other structure, whether of masonry, [English] bricks, wood, mud, metal or other material; — You have mentioned : notice of appeal against such an order within thirty days from Why not include office buildings cinemas the date of the notice. It should not be so; etc. ? Everything is a house. Why don’t you it should be from the date of receipt of the define it so ? Now the definition is not notice. complete.

[Translation] [Translation] So you have made certain lacuna in this law. I wanted to give some amendments in writing You do it in every law. He can appeal to but it is not possible as you will not accept the High Court, but this provision is also them. not there. (Interruptions) [English] [English] Clause 13 says :

“No court inferior to that of a Metro- There is a rule that when a Member speaks, politan Magistrate shall try an offence he should not be interrupted. punishable under this Act.” MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Mr. Daga Under this Bill, if there is no procedure, he can interrupt while others speak. can try this under the Cr.P.C. But you do not mention it so. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA : 1 have [Translation] found that these are points. It is for the Minister to define ‘house’ fully, because he You prepare all these Acts in a haste and is piloting the Bill. It is not for me to do so. about which Mr. Deputy Speaker usually says :— [Translation]

[English] Now it is a matter of common sense. If someone is shifting house and for all other “Within a limited time, get it passed.’ such things you have written-Rules to be Even our Ministers in charge of Parlia- framed. The study of the complete Bill sug- mentary Affairs do not apply their mind to gests that you want to enforce preventive the Bills. They say, ‘Go ahead; finish it by measures. But what preventive measures have 5 p.m.’ This is so, because there is no you suggesied in this Bill 7 You have left fill committee which goes through the Bills, this to the discretion of the bureaucrats. considers them and bring them up here. Whenever the issue is raised, the same ques- This is not being done. tion facees us that we do not know as to how this Bill will be implemented. Today [Translation] also we do not know as to what rules will be Then it contains some guidelines about build- framed under the Bill and the bureaucrats ings. will deal even those matters which should not be covered under this Bill. The time is [English] approaching when we will entrust everything to the bureaucrats. Gradually they will But what about cinema halls, and office start even framing our policies. The Bill buildings like Krishi Bhavan ? contains provision about an officer to be appointed and punishments for certaip Clause 2(c) says : violations, 259 Delhi Fire Prevention & NOVEMBER 12( 1986 Delhi Fire Prevention & 260 Fire Safety Dill— Contd. Fire Safety Bill— Contd.

[English] some—I do not know the exact number- were not Indian citizens, but foreigners stay- SHRI VAKKOM PURUSHOTHAMAN ing in that hotel. (Alleppey) : Why do you look at the officers? Before I come to some of the main SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA : No; I points which have been emphasized in the do not look at them; why should I ? We judicial enquiry report, I want to say one have other forums where I can see them. I thing : these people, or rather the relatives need not do it here. After all, Ministers or kith and kin of people who were killed in depend on them. Why should I look at the that fire, or may be who suffered from a officials ? sever type of burn injuries, or lost all their private belongings, but mainly the kith and kin of those who lost their lives, are wait- MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : When you ing to know how they are going to be given give suggestions, they will look into them. any compensation. Up till now, there has been no arrangement for payment of com- [Translation] pensation. The normal practice, I believe, is that the Government has to appoint a Claims SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA : My Commission. point is that you should incorporate some rules in the basic rules frame J by you. You 15.00 hrs. have envisaged this law only tor the territory of Ddhi, but what arrange nents have you [SHRI VAKKOM PURUSHOTHAMAN m ide for the fires which break out in small in the Chair] houses and granaries in villages. You have And before that Claims Commissioner, all overlooked the poor man who loses every- people who considered themselves eligible had thing in case his harvest is destroyed by fire. to file their claims for compensation; that is I suggest that there should be some provision an expeditious way of settling these claims. for him also. I understand that soon you But, as far as I know, tlje government has will bring an amendment, but I do not scorn not announced up till now any appointment your Bill, rather I suport it. of a Claims Commissioner and therefore [English] these people are expected to go to file private suits in courts, civil courts and file cases SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Ba&hirbat) : which will take years and years to dispose It gives me great pleasure to address my old of. I think this is not the way that victims friend Shri Chintamani Panigrahi who is here of a major accident like this should be trea- for the first time as a Minister. ted. I am well aware of the fact that people who were victims were obviously well-to-do SHRI P1YUS TIRAKY (Alipurduars) : people. Otherwise, how could they be living For the first time, he.is playing with fire. in a Five-Star Hotel But that is not the point. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI When people were killed in a railway CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI): I am ex- accident or in some other accident, they are tinguishing the fire. considered to be victims, but nobody bothers to find out how well-to-do they are. 9 Here foreigners are involved. The good SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Just a week name of our country is involved. So, I ago, on the 6th of November, all the leading would urge upon the government especially dailies of the capita! carried summarized when (he report is out, which I will refer to reports of the findings of the one-man judi- briefly, that they should lose no further time cial enquiry commission set up by Govern- in appointing a Claims Commissioner before ment to go into the causes of the fire that whom the victims of this fire can file their took place early this year at the Siddharth claims so that early, speedy, settlement of Inter-continental Hotel. I hope the Minister their application can be made. This is essen- has had time to study that report. In that tial. Otherwise, there will be endless trouble fire, 37 people lost their lives, out of whom for these people, 261 Delhi Fire Prevention & KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Delhi Fire Prevention & Fire Safety Bill— Contd. Fire Safety Bill— Contd.

If one looks at some of the main points I know that the fire service, after it arrived of this enquiry report as published in the on the spot, the personnel of that fire press from that point of view, of course, service, did a very good job as best as they the Bill before us seems to be rather inade- could under the circumstances and exposing quate; of course, we support the Bill; 1 themselves to considerable risk; nevertheless support the intention of the government Justice Khanna says that though the fire behind this Bill, but the provisions seem to service did not allow the fire to spread, be inadequate. What does this enquiry it was hampered by shortage of vital equip- report say ? First of all, it says, ment, making the rescue operations unsyste- matic. It further says : “The hotel did not possess a permanent occupancy certificate.” “The fire service lacked jumping nets, cushions, immediate medical aid At least such a certificate is required and and oxygen. some authority has to issue it."They did not have a permanent occupancy certificate. The DDA has been blamed for This is what the judge had found and they permitting viations in the hotel had only for three months no objection building and for providing additional certificate issued by the Delhi Fire Service land to its mangement.” during the days of the 1982 Asian Games. 4 So, the fire service itself has given them a These are a few of the points, apart no objection certificate which was valid for from the criticism that has been made of only tbree months at the time of Asian the totally irresponsible way that the Games. That means it had expired long management behaved. The fire detection ago and nobody had ever bothered about system was faulty. Not only faulty, it failed. applying for a new certificate or issuing a And the staff of the hotel behaved in a new certificate; and this is done by the Fire completely panick-stricken way. Nobody was Service itself. Then the report further says warned. People were sleeping at night, it as follows : was 1.30 in the morning, in winter time. Nobody bothered even to knock on the “In clear-cut violation of building doors of the guests to wake them up or to laws, the hotel management converted use the public address system, or the internal its car parking area in the basement telephone system to warn them that a fire into a banquet hall and built an extra has broken out, everybody was left to them- floor at the top. The fire book out in selves, and those people had to remain the basement due to leakage of cook- within their rooms as the corridors were ing gas. smoke-filled by the time they tried to escape. The Report says the hotels basement did not have mechanical Of the thirty-seven casualties 34 were ventilation and signs of escape routes suffocated to death, two died by jumping, were inadequate. The hotel itself only o.ie person was actually burnt to death. was constructed in such a way that it It is not only the question of burning, it is was not accessible by the tenders from a question of suffocation also, when fire all directions. breaks out.

The emergency lighting system So, what I would like to say is, and to and auxiliary supply also failed to point out, I am sure the Minister will work, the report has pointed out. consider this in rather depth because this Bill is really inadequate to meet all these The report has also criticised contingencies. 1 think this is rather some the Delhi Fire Service, the Delhi sort of a hang over from the past and Development Authority, the Delhi does not take into account the actual Police and the Delhi Administration experience that we have had in the course for a wide variety of reasons.” of these fires. M Delhi Fire Prevention & NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Delhi Fire Prevention & 264 Fire Safety Bill— Contd. Fire Safety Bill— Contd.

SHRI ATAUR RAHMAN : Half-clad. wait for some fire brigade to come from outside. So, these things should not be SHRI 1NDRAJIT GUPTA : Half-baked treated now in this kind of a light hearted Bill, half-baked in Sir, 1 should say, baked fashion and therefore I would suggest to the in the fire. Minister— I do not know whether he is prepared to improve this Bill now by introducing some additional provisi.ons, probably We had this experience here in Gopala not because our time-honoured methods are, Towers and then the devastating fire in this once a Bill has been drafted and it has been hotel, and this has shown that all the introduced in the House, Heavens may fall, arrangements that are required to meet an that Bill has to go through, nothing can be emergency like this are totally lacking. done about it. Of course, some other Bill The construction of the building itself is one can be brought up, or some rules may be very important thing. Certain norms arc framed. At least what are the arrangements ? laid down for that, certain specifications, They must be tightened considerably and and certain regulations which more often the owners of these buildings or in the case than not are also violated and some times of the hotels or cinema bouses or the like violated by the DDA itself. Some times tbe the managements the owners, of course the inspection is done by people who are not managements also must be held primarily very reliable persons or who are bound to responsible if this kind of fire breaks out. being bribed and. they give the inspection The fire may break out due to causes reports which do not reflect the seriousness beyond their control. But that has to be of the situation and that is one thing that found out what the fire was due to— lias to do with construction, whether the negligence or carelessness or what it was. construction has been as per the regulations And then if there were not adequate arrange- and norms laid down and the other is even ments to protect the people who happened if a building has been properly constructed, to be in that building, whose responsibility if tbe internal arrangements, in the case of is it going to be ? This is not a joke. So an emergency, are not adequate, then it is many people lose their lives. There must not possible to avoid a large number of really be some deterrent punishment for this casualties taking place. There should be fire kind of a thing. escape systems. In these high rise buildings you have the lifts; the shaft of the lift by I do not want to take more time. But which the lift goes up and down. That is this is really a very serious matter. Unfortu- one favourite passage by which flames go nately, I have to leave. I will not be here up if the fire breaks down below. Is there to hear Mr. Panigrahi’s reply. But I hope, any way of sealing this off 7 We do not he, being an old friend of mine, will not know what the arrangements are. take advantage of my absence and not to reply to the point about the Claims Com- Some times, I think if a fire breaks out missioner going into the compensation in Parliament House, it is not a multi- claims of the victims of the Siddartha storeyed building, thank goodness, but if a H tel fire. fire breaks out in Parliament House, actuilly, what are the arrangements here ? We do .SHRI VIJAY N. PATIL (Erandol) : I not know anything about it. Members are rii'C to support this Bill. The earlier practice coming here every day and spending hours was to build two, three or four storeyed and going out, and what are the arrange- buildings. Even the Britishers constructed ments here ? The internal arrangements, buildings and bungalows in isolated areas. when a fire breaks out, what are they ? Delhi is not like Calcutta or Bombay where There are these small portable fire extingui- there are sky scrappers. But as time went shers hanging here and there which most of on, a need was felt very acutely and specially us I think do not know how to handle also, in the market areas to construct high rise and if called upon, we might find that many buildings. Subsequently, multi-storeyed of them, those extinguishers are no longer buildings were allowed for residential pur- in a working condition because they are poses. Afterwards because of Asian Games, never tested. So then, we will also have to so many multi-storeyed hotels had also 265 Delhi Fire Prevention & KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Delhi Fire Prevention & 266 Fire Safety Bill— Contd. Fire Safety Bill— Contd. come up. But at the same time, fire tender who keeps inflammable materials in places or fire brigade system has not been streng- where they are not allowed to be kept. This thened. These high rise buildings require unauthorised storage of such material must hydraulic pressure ladders and other modern be punished and provision should be made equipment with which the fire brigade people in the Bill in this regard. can cope up with the fire. That is why, we have seen in Gopala Towers and even in We also require awaretiess to be created Siddaratha Hotel that many lives were lost in the minds of people because our people before the fire could be brought under are very much accustomed to throwing control. As we see, the committee which burning cigarettes carelessly. We find fires studied about 200 buildings regarding their taking place in offices also. It is not the susceptibility to fire, has suggested that there short circuit that is always the cause, it are 26 buildings comparatively' safe from the point of view of accidental fire. In these may be a burning cigarette or it may be a burning match-stick also. So, proper aware- 26 buildings Siddaratha Hotel was one of ness should be created among the public them. Even then, that Hotel has showo us regarding the fire hazards. Small fires occur that fire can occur in safer buildings also. That means, whatever remedy has been but the losses are greater. Sometimes even precious records are destroyed. We find that suggested, that still falls short of complete fire proof system in these buildings. And it during the last two years, a tire broke out is not the point that fire occurs only in high in Yojana Bhavan. Similarly, after few days rise buildings. In the market areas also fire a fire broke out in (he P and T Building adjoining the Yojana Bhavan. So, in such takes place. In Sadar Bazar, one year before, there was a big fire. One of the causes places where there are offices, where people was unauthorised construction. The Delhi are sitting and smoking during day time, Municipal Corporation had conducted a awareness should be created among the study about the main causes of fire. It had people about the fire hazards. 19 per cent been found that in 59 per cent of cases fire of the fires are caused due to such type of negligence which can be avoided if conscious- took place due to short circuit and in 19 per cent cases due to negligence. That means, ness is created among the people. due to faulty electric connections fire takes place. The contractors who instal electric Delhi is not the only city where fires fittings in such buildings, may be using very take placc. In many other cities also such inferior material. After the passage of time, types of calamities occur. But in Delhi if this phenomenon of short circuit occurs and there is a fire, even the lifts may not be the fire breaks out. Out of 100 cases, working because we find that the supply of 59 cases, are due to short circuit. So, there power in Delhi is very arratic as compared should be a provision in the Bill to punish to other metropolitan cities like Bombay. not only the owner of the building, not So, there should be a provision for persons only the company which is having the working in the multistoreyed buildings to possession of that building, but also the come out from the alternative staircase, person who is indirectly responsible for the which is not provided in many of the build- cause of that fire because of the faulty ings. This may be provided in these buildings installation. or hotels. After the fire took place in Siddhartha Hotel, they have started providing such types of staircases. It is a belated wisdom. In commercial buildings we find the misuse of basements and staircases. There is lot of crowding there and because of that The clauses of this Bill are compre- crowding, there are chances of fire breaking hensive but their implementation shobld be out. The measures which are adopted inside strict and punishment should be stringent. the building for fire protection are not useful Then only human life and a lot of precious if‘the fire takes place in tbe basement or in rccords will be saved. At the same time, the staircase which are used unauthorisedly. strengthening of the Fire Brigade Stations, In many buildings we find that such places strengthening of the fire fighting personnel are being used unauthorisedly. So, punish- and their proper training should also be ment should also be awarded to the person looked into. 207 Delhi fire Prevention & NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Delhi tire Prevention & 268 Fire Safety Bill— Contd. Fire Safety Bill— Contd.

[Translation] “ Whoever contravenes any provision of this Act shall, without prejudice to ♦SHRI MATILAL HANSDA (Jhargram): any other action taken against him Mr. Chairman, Sir, I rise to support this under section 7, be punishable with Delhi Fire Prevention and Fire Safety Bill. imprisonment for a term which may This Bill should have been brought forth extend to six months, or with fine much earlier. The Central Government wakes which may extend to fifty thousand up after the event. The devastating fire in rupees, or with both and where the the Continental Hotel opened the eyes of the offence is a continuing one, with a Government and this Bill has come as a further fine which may extend to three result of that. In that fire many people lost thousand rupees for every day after their lives which included some foreigners the first during which such offence also. A Committee was constituted to enquire continues” . into that fire incident and it conducted some enquiries also. But its report has not been placed before this House. We are totally in So, whoever contravenes the provisions the dark about the findings of that enquiry of this Act shall be punishable with imprison- Committee. All those who were killed in ment upto six months or a fine of Rs. 50,000 that incident or were seriously injured they or both. I feel that the punishment should or their families have not been paid any have been more stringent. The punishment compensation also. I do not know what the does not appear to be adequate. But who Government is doing in the matter but I will will decide the quantum of punishment ? request the Hon. Minister to take necessary The Bill is silent about that. I hope the steps in this respect. What was the cause of Hon. Minister will clarify this point in his that fire, were there no fire fighting or fire reply. extinguishing arrangements in that Hotel ? This is our question, Devastating fires of In the end I would like to say that such similar magnitude has occurred in other big devastating fires cannot be .prevented just by cities also. I do not think that such incidents bringing forth a Bill like this. We must have can be preveated or checked just by passing some comprehensive plans for this, and the a Bill like this. What is required is that fire fighting equipment should be available when a city is planned at that time such fire and useJ extensively. On top of all, we must safety measures should be made obligatory chalk out comprehensive plans to prevent and should be enforced stringently. fires, only then we would be able to combat this menace effectively and this Bill will be Sir, it has been stated in Section 3 of the really fruitful. Bill that an empowered authority will be With that Sir, I conclude. able to inspect any building at 3 hour’s notice. Our question is that this nominated authority will consist of how many persons, SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH MALIK who will nominate’ them and what would be (Sonepn) : Mr. Chairman Sir, I rise to their minimum qualifications ? All these support the Delhi Fire Prevention and Fire things have not been mentioned in the Bill. Safety Bill, 1986. Keeping in view all the I will request the Hon, Minister to clarify problems faced during the fire accidents in all these things in his reply. Now, the nomi- Delhi some days back, this Bill has come nated authority will be empowered to inspect before the Parliament after it has been passed any building or premises in Delhi after giving by the Metropolitan council of Delhi. Not 3 hours' noticc. But I want to know whether only in Delhi, but at some outside places they would inspect the buildings on their also devastating fire accidents have taken pwn or after something is reported to place. The Gopala Tower fire accident, them ? Siddhartha Hotel fire accident and the devastating fire accident of Indian Oil depot in Sir, in Section 10 of the Bill it has been Shakurbasti are some of the major fire provided th at: accidents which had occurred in the recent past. We had suffered heavy losses of life *The speech was originally delivered in and property in all these fire accidents. The Bengali. Bharatpur Bird Sanctuary fire accident is the 269 Delhi Fire Prevention & KARTJKA 21, 1 908 (SAKA) Delhi Fire Prevention & 270 Fire Safety Bill— Contd. fire Safety BUI— Contd.

most devastating of the fire incidents that could do nothing and they could not take took place outside Delhi. I mean to say that any action against the owners of that build- in the absence of proper safety measures, ing. An effort has been made to include all losses have been occuring since long. The such provisions in the present Bill. But I Government has taken a praiseworthy step by would like to say one thing that the rural introducing this Bill before the Parliament area of Delhi, the area under Municipal and it provides many measures for the safety Corporation of Delhi and the area under the of life and property. Here I want to bring New Delhi Municipal Committee have in certain points to the notice of the Horn. total only 17 fire stations, which are .totally Minister. inadequate. Therefore, J want that there should be a provision in the Act that fire The present Bill applies to Union Territory station would be established according to the of Delhi only and it includes the rural areas population and there must be at least one also, but the way provisions have been made, fire station for a population of 50,000, it seems that no attention has been paid to bccause these days a lot of fire accidents are the rural Delhi, crops and buildings in the taking place due to safety lapses, lack of rural areas of Delhi. It seems that our proper equipments, electrical short circuit Government has paid less attention to this and carelessness. Therefore, I want to say aspect. Though today you have made this that a provision should be made for fire Bill applicable only to the Union Territory stations on the basis of population. of Delhi, but our Government have demar- cated certain areas under National Capital Mr. Chairman, Sir, the employees who Region. The Government want to develop work in fire protection service should be this area in different phases and so buildings supplied latest and shphisticated equipments and offices will also be construcied there. I as they save the life and property of other request that this Bill should be made appli- people, risking their own lives, which poses a cable to the whole area falling under the great danger for them. There are certain jurisdiction of the National Capital Region diseases which generally attack the persons, Act. who work in fire protection service. These employees are prone to heart troubles as they Otherwise, after formation of the have to go very close to the fire. High blood National Capital Region, such areas would pressure and tuberculosis is also prevalent be left there on which this Bill will not be among them. If you make an enquiry about applicable and in order to make it applicable the employees of the fire protection service on them also. You will have to bring a new as to how long these employees survive after Bill in the House which will be a wastage of their retirement, you will find that in com- time any money again. ' parison to other retired employees, they die much earlier. These people suffer from these I would like to make one more submis- diseases due to Carbon Mono-Oxide and beat. sion that there are many villages in Delhi Therefore, they must be provided with the where a number of unauthorised factories latest equipments. are functioning. The Government should also look into it whether sufficient measures have Mr. Chairman, Sir, with this I also want been taken in these factories against the fire to say that the peisons who work in the fire hazards or not and whether before issuing a protection service should be insured for an licence it should be ascertained if such adequate amount. The Government should measures have been taken in these factories also take care of their dependents, because or not and should also add the necessary they save other people at the risk of their provisions in this Bill for safety from fire in own life. They may also even lose their life, these factories. so their dependents should not face any difficulty in case of their death. The Govern- ment should, therefore, get them insured for Apirt from this, there were some lacunae a heavy amount. in our previous rules and the punishment was very minor and ihe officers were not empowered to inspect a building on the spot Sir, I would also like to submit that fire and if there was any hinderance, then they lighting equipments have not been installed 271 Delhi Fire Prevention & NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Delhi Fire Prevention & 272 Fire Safety Bill— Contd. Fire Safety Bill— Contd.

[Shri Dbaram Pal Singh Malik] Section 8 has a provision for appeal. in sufficient quantity in five star hotels, It says that the owner should appeal to the Cinema houses, big industries and even the proper Authority within a month, but it does offices of the Government, the same should, not speak about the time in which the appeal therefore, be installed in sufficient quantity. will be disposed of. I would like to say that If there are equipments, but nobody knows the disposal of appeals under all the laws how to operate them, then it is also of no take a lot of time. This Bill should also use. Therefore, I want that the general indicate about the period of time for the public should be given training about fire decision of that appeal. fighting and also about the operation of the equipments. Section 11 mentions about the punishment for the offences. If the offence is related Mr. Chairman, Sir, I also want to sub- to any company, then it would get the mit two or three more points. You have punishment. A proviso is given further that made a provision of punishment of six if the owner or the director of the company months' imprisonment and a One of Rs. proves his innocense about the safety 50,000 in case of fire safety lapses, but in measures, then he would not be punished. my view, it should be enhanced even more. To my mind, the responsibility should lie on I also want to speak about two or three the owners, otherwise they would escape the shortcomings in this Act. I want to speak punishment and they would implicate their about the Section 3, 5, 7, 8 and U of the own employees. Therefore, the responsibility Bill which, has been moved in the House. should be fixed on the owners of the companies. I has beeu mentioned in Section 3 that an officer can inspect any building and the owner or the occupant thereof cannot deny SHRI MOHD. MAHFOOZ ALI KHAN him this right. But it is not mentioned in (Eiah) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, 1 want to say this Bill if the owner or the occupant of that two or thiee main points regarding this Bill. building does not allow that officer to inspect A number of Members have discussed this Bil the building, then what punishment will be and there is no doubt that this Bill is very given to that owner or occupant of the important and essential. building. There should be a provision in this regard also. It says : — These days, skyscrapers are being constructed in our country. Be it a hotel, a [English] cinema or a Government office, people have' a right to construct tall multi-storeyed buil- We shall allow proper authority to ins- dings. But tbe question is that if fire breaks pect his house but they have not mentioned out, then what will happen ? Thought must what punishment they will give in case the be given to it. occupier or the owner does not allow him to inspect. We pass the Bills, but they are not being [Translation] irrplemented. It is very easy to pass a Bill, but it is difficult to implement its provisions It is mentioned in section 5 that if that 1 request that whatever is passed in the officer does not find any building safe or tbe House mu;>t be implemented. safety equipments have not been properly installed in it, then he can seal that building. If the owner or occupier of that building As some Members told just now, I had does not allow the * officer to seal it, then also heard about the fire in Gopala Tower there is no provision about the punishment and a hotel in the recent past. A number in this regard -? If the officer has sealed a of people had lost their lives, but to date building then there is no provision about they have not been paid any compensation. the punishment to be given to the owner or This is a very bad thing on our part. Some the occupier of the building in case he or of the victims were foreigners; at least they ghe breaks the seal. should have been paid the compensation. 273 Delhi Fire Prevention & KARTiKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Delhi Fire Prevention & 274 Fire Safety Bili— Contd. Fire Safety Bill— Contd.

Secondly, when a contractor is given a the availability of funds for the purpose, contract for a building, then he is made though they have said that in the delegation responsible for installing certain equipments. of powers, rules will be made by the autho- A certificate is issued for this purpose. It is rity concerned. I am of the opinion that issued by the officers. There is no doubt this Bill or the purpose of this legislation that bribe is taken for issuing this certificate. can be achieved only when adequate guide- After paying a bribe, one can get it with- lines are given by this legislation itself to out any delay. You should pay attention to the concerned authority as to how funds it. If anybody is caught redhanded while can be raised fof the purchase of latest accepting bribe, then severe punishment should equipment for fighting the fire. I suggest that be given to him. the Minister may make a provision in regard to the buildings which are already in existence. There are about 300 complexes in I would also suggest that sometimes Delhi. The total areas would be about 3 there should be a surprise check. Just now, lakh sq. ft. In case, if they are going to as one of ihe Hon. Member wanted to know make it statutory to collect atleast one rupee as to what were the modes of extinguishing per sq. ft., per annum, they will get Rs. 3 a fire if it breaks out somewhere 7 The crores every year which will be neither a equipments, which are hung on the walls of burden on the builders nor on the tenents. the Cinema Houses and Government offices This Rs. 3 crores income every year as a are not effective enough to extinguish fire recurring income is sufficient as per the instantly because these are hung on the walls estimates made by the Advisory Committee for years together and there is nobody to which went into the findings in 1983. They check them. You should also pay your said that the minimum requirement to pur- attention towards them. chase equipment is about Rs. 8.68 crores in the years to come and this amount can These days these sky-scrappers are being easily be collected from the complexes which built everywhere in the country, therefore are coming up now by making an initial you should also see to it at other places cess on sq. ft. of construction. The penalty other than Delhi. This is a question of life for non-observance of the provisions is very and death. I request you that you should much less; it is said that it is Rs. 50,000 instal modern and latest equipments and or six months’ imprisonment and in case should also impart training to those persons they continue to violate the provision in spite who deal with these equipments. It will be of the warning, the penalty will be around better to instal the imported equipments. Rs. 3000/- per day. There must be a discri- mination between a small complex and a big With these words, I conclude. complex. This penalty of Rs. 3000/-per day should have relation to the size of the complex. Again, the penalty of Rs. 50,000 [English] for major complexes may not be much and there may be a chance for those people to SHRI K. S. RAO (Machhlipatnam) : continue to violate the provisions since the Mr. Chairman, Sir, I am happy that the penalty does not exceed Rs. 50,000. There* Hon. Minister has come forward with the fore, the punishment should be very strin- Bill, though it is a delayed one. In fact in gent keeping in view the fact that these view of the paucity of land, particularly in people are hoodwinking these provisions and urban areas—probably in most of the cities may continue to do so even after the passage and particularly in Delhi —the need for this of this Bill. If it is not found possible to Bill is very much. Also, on many an occa- incorporate it in the Bill, let it be ensured sion, it is found that even the existing that these points are placed in the rules that guidelines were not being followed by many are to be made by the concerned authorities of the builders of sky-scrappers in various as delegated legislation. cities causing a lot of havoc, loss of property and loss of life in certain times. So, a comprehensive Bill like this is the need of Another aspect which I have observed the hour. When I went through the Bill, I many times is this. I was a member of the found that no mention had been made about Committee on Subordicate Legislation. The 275 Delhi Fire Prevention A NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Delhi Fire Prevention A 276 Fire Safety Bill— Contd. Fire Safety Bill— Contd.

[Shri K. S. Rao] As regards the rules to be made, a Technical Committee may be formed in order concerned authorities are making a lot of to make the rules in a way which are prac- delays inframing the rules and in placing ticable and in a way that they are not taken them before Parliament. I request the Hon. advantage of by the concerned authorities to Minister to ensure that the concerned authori- harass the builders or the tenants. Let it ties make the right type of rules to take care be ensured that they will be practicable and of the funds and also ensure that the buil- they will achieve the purpose without haras- ders and tenants do not violate the provisions sing anybody or without giving any oppor- of the Act. Particular emphasis must be tunity to anybody to take undue advantage. given only at the time of construction rather than at the time of tenanting. With these words, I support the Bill. I hope the Hon, Minister will ensure that the While going through the Clauses, I have rules are placed before Parliament without found that it is stated in Clause 9 : any delay. ‘*No court shall entertain any suit, application or other proceeding in SHRI P1YUS TIRAKY (Alipurduars) : respect of any notice or order under Sir, I support this Bill. It is very nice. this Act....*’ Article 2 (f) says that Delhi means the That is all right. But in Clause 13 it is Union Territory of Delhi Our Minister is stated : thinking about the multi-storeyed buildings where sometimes a fire may break. Most of “No court inferior to that of Metropo- the thinking of the Ministry also goes litan Magistrate shall try an offence to the higher ups. But Delhi means punishable under this Act.” the entire Union Territory of Delhi. So, I draw the attention of the These two Clauses are possibly contra- Minister that in Chandni Chowk area of dictory to each other. In case it is made Delhi there are thickly populated lanes where open to regular courts, the purpose sought open kitchens feed many people. There is to be achieved by this Bill, will be defeated. every possibility of fire taking place in I hope the Hon. Minister will think about Chandni Chowk area. Besides, there are a Clause 13 again and incorporate the neces- number of Jhuggis where fire can take place sary amendment before the Bill is passed or in Delhi. Fire does not mind whether it is a at least it should be brought in the rules. high multi-storeyed building or a Jhuggi, whether it is a thickly populated area or a It has also been said in the Committee’s sparsely populated area. The possibility of report that the tenants must be given train- fire catching is there everywhere. It is more ing, at least elementary training, to meet so in slum areas where it can spread all the situation when there is a minor fire. Now over quiokly. So, every care should be taken that is not being done and as a result, even about open kitchens, road-side kitchens and if there are minor fires, till such time that the lane kitchens which are basically in the the fire tender comes, a lot of damage is thickly populated areas. done-because they are ignorant. Your officers and the municipairty people Secondly, frequent checks of the wor- should go there to see for themselves. These thiness of fire-fighting equipment have to open kitchens are unhygenic also. There is be carried out by the concerned authorities all the time a fear of fire. I don’t understand without which only the equipment will be why can’t you check this. there and they may be defunct or may need repiirs; and when fire accident takes place, Most of the people in Delhi are poor time is of the essence and it is not possible people. They do not go to hotels. They are to wait for repairs to be done at that time. fed by the lane hotels and the hotels which This also must be ensured in the rules. These are on the road side. 5 per cent of the Delhi guidelines can be given to the concerned people are fed by such hotels. You must authorities* loyk into all these things also. It should I l l Delhi Fire Prevention & KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Delhi Fire Preventidn <£ 278 Fire Safety BUI— Contd, Fire Safety BUI— Contd. cover the Union Territory as a whole. You within the jurisdiction of States, then the must have a very careful watch on these Central Government should enact a model hotels. You must go there and see that no legislation on this subject and circulate it to such things happen. all the States, So that they can also enact similar legislations. On the contrary I would You can enquire about the VIP areas. suggest there should be a national fire-service Full-time water supply is not there.- You go which provides for extinguishment of fire to the North Avenue and South Avenue. and allied matters. Whether fire takes place You will see that water is available only in a house, industry, factory, etc. extinguish- for two hours in the morning and two hours ment of fire should be provided under one in the evening. If fire breaks any time, it legislation. Therefore, I say national fire will not wait for water to come. You must service is a must. see that proper water supply is there all the time. When fire breaks up, you have to give Secondly in many places the fire service sufficient water to the concerned personnel. is attached to a police station. 1 would sub- You cannot ask them to go to Jamuna and mit that this aspect should be gone into and fetch water at that time. Fire will not wait wherever fire service stations are attached to and everything will be destroyed. The Union a police station they should be detached and Territory adminstration should see that put under an independent authority. Today sufficient water is made available for any we do not have fire stations at every nook eventuality. Water supply should be ensured and corner. A time should come when we everywhere where there is a possibility of should be able to provide in each village a fire taking place. You must see that every fire service station. corner is reached with sufficient water supply. It should be arranged immediately. This is Sir, as far as this legislation is concerned my suggestion. you may go through Section 3 (1) which says : I hope the new minister will not play with fire and take it seriously. I wish him “The nominated authority may, after all the success in this mission. giving three hours’ notice to the occupier, or, if there is no occupier, to the owner of any building having such SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK (Panaji) : height....” Sir, the efforts of the Hon. Minister for Home Affairs to extinguish fire are certainly It appears somehow the height referred welcome. Nobody says that fire should not to here is the height of the owner. It should be extinguished. I would suggest that we be : “owner, of any building having such should all welcome this. height,” Further when we are leaving this aspect of height to the rule making autho- When this Bill has been framed for the rity it appears that we do not know as to Union Territory of Delhi, I think it is the height of the building we want to extend because Delhi does not have an Assembly. So, this legislation because we say the height also other Union Territories like Lakshad- will be decided by the rules. If it had been weep and Andaman and Nicobar Islands decided under the present Bill it would have which do not have Assemblies automatically been proper. The other aspects could have this Act should be extended to them also. been left to the rules but height should not When the Parliament is enacting a law for have been left unspecified. the Union Territories my submission is that it should be extended to other Union Terri- Another vital aspect is in Section 3 (3) tories also. and I quote :

Secondly, on a subject like this, why “When any building or premises used should there be a legislation only for Delhi ? as a humau dwelling is entered under This has been pointed out by our elder sub-section (1), due regard shall be colleague Shri Daga also. There should have paid to the social and religious sen* been one legislation and if the subject falls liments of the occupiers....” 279 Delhi Fire Prevention & NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Delhi Fire Prevention A. 280 Fire Safety Bill— Contd. Fire s«fe,y Bill— Contd.

[Shri Shantaram Naik] Then, those employees who do not report for duty in time or reach in time should be punished. May be that there is already such May I ask where a fire takes place how does the question of religious and other a provision in the service rules governing them, but there is no such provision in the sentiments come in ? Fire is an emergency, Bill. Persons who neglect their duties or do If there is a Gita in my room where fire has taken place and the firemen remove the not reach in time should be punished same I would not say it is hurting my sen- suitably. timents. SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA RAO (Vijayawada) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, I rise to Further, Sir, it appears that this whole welcome tbe Delhi Fire Prevention and Fire legislation is based upon not rules framed Safety Bill. In fact this was long overdue. under the Act. Normally we frame the The tragic incidents pertaining to Gopala rules under our own Act but the present Towers as well as Siddhartha Hotel have legislation is based upon the bye-laws not clearly proved the deficiency in the present framed under the Act but on bye-laws already legislation and brought out the need to bring existing. How can we issue show-cause the present Bill by the Government. notices on the bye-laws which are existing and not framed under this Act ? We do not As far as the legislation is concerned, know what these bye-laws are. On the basis there are several provisions in this Bill to of the bye-laws the nominated officer will compel the owners of the multi-storeyed give his report and issue show-cause notices buildings to carry out necessary measures to and take other action. So relying on other prevent fire and the penal provisions may bye-laws is not proper. Then we have said bring certain discipline among the owners or Delhi Municipal Corporation Act, 1977 is the occupiers of the high rise buildings. not sufficient, and, as such, we are enacting this Act. What is the position of that Act ? If there is a contrary provision in the Delhi According to a newspaper report in Municipal Corporation Act and the present August 1985 only 26 out of 220 high rise provisions then what will happen. We have buildings in the capital implemented fire not repealed the Delhi Municipal Corpora- safety regulations. This only indicates the tion Act also. sorry state of affairs in the city. The administration is not very serious in implementing the fire prevention regulations. In 16.00 hrs. fact, the Siddhartha Hotel management where ghastly incident took place in the beginning FuTther, there is a provision for issuing of the year, succeeded in obtaining a licence of show cause notices. An officer can issue from tbe NDMC authorities giving an assu- a show cause notice calling upon the owner rance that they would undertake such or the occupier of the building to do this or measures, but subsequently they did not that. When the owner or the occupier is implement them. being asked to do that, we are not giving him even eight days time to show cnuse why 16.02 hr s. a particular thing should not be done. On I SHRI SHARAD DIGHE : in the Chau) the contrary, the law provides straightway for an appeal. The moment a notice is There are many such instances. A study issued, an appeal can be filed. We are not committee was appointed some time ago and giving even eight days time. In every law it has clearly stated that the alternative there is such a provision. staircase, wet risers, fire alarm etc. were not there or were not functioning in many of these high rise buildings. The Government Lastly, our fire service should be streng- should not feel satisfied only with this legis- thened on a national basis. If good work is lation. I request the Hon. Minister to conti- done by the firemen they should be reward- nue their efforts and see that all these ed. We are already doing that, but we buildings which were found lacking in fire should do more. It is a risky job. prevention measures and fire safety measures 281 Delhi Fire Prevention & KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Delhi Fire Prevention & 282 Fire Safety Bill— Contd. Fire Safety Bill— Contd. should be properly equipped. In spite of the Lastly, I would like to make a small present penal provisions if the owners or the suggestion to the Hon. Minister through you. occupiers do not cooperate with them, the Let the Central Government examine the chief lire officer should undertake and imple- present legislative provisions in respect of ment the fire prevention measures and charge other cities also. Let them not be satisfied from the owners. with only Delhi. There are several other cities like Bombay, Hyderabad, etc. If the Further, unless the Delhi Fire Service is Central Government feel that the present equipped with all the modern and latest legislative provisions are inadequate in the equipment, it cannot help the unfortunate concerned States, 1 request the Hon. Minister persons. Sometimes; owners and occupants to use bis good offices to bring pressure on of the multi-storeyed buildings do follow all those State Governments also to bring some the preventive measures that are to be taken. legislation on these lines, so as to help the In spite of that, if the Delhi Fire Service is unfortunate people at the time of fire acci- not fully equipped, then it will not really dents. be able to help those people who face a fire accident. While there is need for nearly 6o THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE fire stations in Delhi, at present there MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI are only 19. And there are only two CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI) : Sir, I am snorkels, the hydraulic platforms and only extremely grateful to all my Hon. friends three 150 feet tall ladders. There are who participated in this debate. They have good number of colonies in Delhi where extended their full and hearty cooperation there are many multi-storeyed, high rise and they have also put forward many good buildings. Hence the Delhi Fire Service suggestions for improving the fire service should certainly be equipped with more of and also for improving various measures in these tall ladders. which they find certain lacunae in certain aspects. Many a time, these fire service people sacrifice their lives in an effort to save others. Altogether about 16 Hon. Members have Is it not our duty to equip them with all the participated in this debate and they have evinc- necessary breathing apparatus, masks and ed a keen interest in the Bill, though I thought other material, which will help them in really that perhaps there would not be many speakers fighting the situation very effectively ? on this. I am very happy and I am grateful to all the Hon. friends for participating and . The building rules should be implemented giving very very good suggestions. I am strictly so that when such calamities occur, grateful to all the Hon. Members who parti- the Fire Department is in a position to carry cipated in the debate, viz. Shri Sambu, Shri on the rescue operations from all the sides Somnath Rath, Shri Raj Kumar Rai, Shri to extinguish the fire as well as to save Krishna Iyer, Shri Dhariwal, Shri Daga, (as people. It so happens sometimes in the you all know, Shri Daga is original in his multi-storeyed buildings, they are covered on approach, but some times it is not within some sides leaving only one or two sides the purview of this Bill), Shri Rahman, ' open for the fire service people to take up Shri Indrajit Gupta, Shri Hansda, Shri the fire-fighting operations. Malik, Shri Patil, Shri K. S. Rao from our % side and Shri V. S. Rao from Opposition, The occupants of these high-rise build- Shri Mahfooz Ali Khan, Shri Piyus Tiraky ings should be given some basic training as and Shri Shantaram Naik. to how to use the equipment provided in the buildings for fire-lighting. In spite of pro- Perhaps it was Mr. Acharia or Shri viding the fire-fighting equipment in the Tiraky who said that in the very first day 1 buildings, many a time this equipment is not am playing with fire. But, as I could find, put to use because the occupants do not with the abundant goodwill that the Hon. know how to use it in case of emergencies. Members have shown, I hope, Sir, with their So, some effort should be made to educate strength, we will be able to not only control and train the occupants to use this equip- but, 1 hape will extinguish the fire. 1 hope, ment. we will receive the cooperation from them. 283 Delhi Fire Prevention & NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Delhi Fire Prevention & 284 Fire Safety Bill—Contd. Fire Safety Bill—Contd.

[Shri Chintamani Panigrahi] can neither say ‘yes' nor ‘no’ to anything at once. One Hon. Member suggested, don’t Here, some points were raised by the harass the people—the owners. That is one Hon. Members, I will just, as far as possible aspect of it. There, not to harass means, try to explain all of them. Mr. Rath and there should be a chance of appeal. also other friends have suggested, that when there is no fund separately earmarked for all these expenses to be incurred by the Chief Then, some Hon. Members have sugges- Fire Officer, in that case, naturally, there ted that once if you go in for an appeal, may arise some difficulties in getting finance. there will be first appeal, there will be So, it is better to have it from the Consoli- second appeal, and in that process there dated Fund of India. But, Sir, as you know, might be delay also. But Sir, we have to there are rules, as to how to draw the money compromise with this system that we have from the Consolidate Fund of India. So, inherited. In this system, neither we can once, we include this Consolidated Fund harass now nor on any other occasion. We concept in this Bill, then what will happen cann’t stipulate that the appeals should be is, we have to go again to the President to disposed of within a definite time limit get this consent. Sir, 1 enquired that all the though we desire that appeals should be dis- four Municipal bodies in Delhi, have suffi- posed of speedily. So, I hope you will con- cient funds at their eomn and, and whatever sider best that no time limit is prescribed for funds are required by the Chief Fire Officer, disposing of cases by quasi judicial bodies. these will be placed at their disposal and Supposing, we say, all right, you dispose it they do not draw this fund from the Conso- of within three or four days, and if some- lidated Fund of India. Therefore, they can body comes and says that you are interfering draw it at any moment as and when they in the judicial machinery of the State, then require. what will you do ? Therefore the Adminis- trative Tribunals, I hope, will be conscious of the time period in such cases. Therefore, Sir, I am happy that this Bill carries this will be taken care of and I hope this such a good amount of goodwill from the kmd of delay which has been apprehended Members and perhaps every Member wanted during the actual working of this Act, that that such a Bill should be extended to other wewill learn by experience and let us see cities or Union Territories and also, it should what we can do. But for the present, I be extended to the rural areas. I should have consider that this is adequate. been very happy, if the Hon. Members decide, all right, let us have a very compre- Then, there is another thing which Mr. hensive Bill so that the whole country can Krishna Iyer also bad suggested and that is be covered and the Central Government can about heights. Sir, we have enlarged the havo the liberty to give guidelines to all the definition of building. In fact, if you look States and Union Territories. I shall be most to the Clause 2(c), it says : happy, but Sir, it is for the Hon. Members, if they want such a Bill, they themselves can ‘‘buildings” means a house, outhouse, do so and then we can consider this Bill stable, latrine, urinal, shed, hut, wall here. But for the present, it is only confined (other than a boundary wall) or any to the Union Territory of Delhi because such other structure, whether of masonry, accidents happened in Delhi itself and the bricks, wood, mud, metal or other Hon. Members themselves wanted imme- material.” diately that some kind of a Bill should come so that we can help them in respect of acci- This will cover various types of structures. dents which are taking place. I hope the question of height does not arise now. Whenever we frame rules, the question Sir, another thing which has been men- of high-rise and other things will come up. tioned is about the delay. There might be Let us see what happens then. For the delay in the process of two appeals. These present, we have taken into consideration things require summary disposals, Sir, as you even the garden, shamlana and others, upto kaow, we have inherited a system where you high-rise buildings. 285 Delhi Fire Prevention & KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Delhi Fire Prevention & 286 Fire Safety Btii—Contd. Fire Safety Bill—Contd.

SHRI V. S. KRISHNA IYER : It is Hon. Members also asked whether all contrary to the definition of ‘building’ the villages in Delhi are covered. I think given. It is mentioned in Clause 3(1) of the all villages in Delhi are covered. Fire cover Bill— is already being provided in case of fire accidents. It is already there. So, there is “The nominated authority may, after no difficulty as far as Delhi villages are giving three hours’ notice to the concerned. occupier or, if there be no occupier, to the owner of any building,..” Another important point is about the fire safety in Parliament House. When I was SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI : the Chairman of the Estimates Committee, I agree with you. Therefore, while framing we went into the question of maintenance the rules under the proposed Act, these of Parliament House. Hon’ble Members of things will be kept in mind. the Committee found some deficiencies. C.P.W.D. has rectified same and they are vigilant. As far as fire protection is concern- SHRI SOMNATH RATH : Does that ed, there is a fire station nearby, in the mean that a particular building will not be North Block. There is a fire hydrant in the of more than a particular height ? Parliament House. There is first aid available. There are fire-fighting appliances, and SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI : extinguishers have also been provided in the Proviso to Clause 3 also takes care of what building. A test exercise was conducted in Mr. Krishna Iyer said; and also takes care the building about a month ago, just to of the rule-making powers, mentioned by check whether the arrangements were Mr. Rath. adequate.

Hon. Members were apprehensive about There is another thing which Hon. these things. We are taking all precautions. Members have pointed out, concerning bye- laws etc. Another question was raised by Hon. Members, viz. why, when there are four About the Siddharth Hotel, I listened local bodies for Delhi, this Bill was brought to Mr. Indrajit Gupta’s speech. He is not in here. We considered this point. As here now. His suggestions are always given Mr. Rao pointed out just now, there are so serious consideration. They are worth many high-rise buildings, which do not nothing. We have taken note of his sugges- have fire-fighting apparatus. So, it was felt tions regarding that hotel. The Commission necessary by members of the public, and by had been set up by the Delhi Administration the Members of the House, that there should under Justice Khanna, to enquire into the be a unified authority for enforcing stringent incident. The Commission has submitted its measures to prevent such accidents. report to the Lt. Governor, and it is under the consideration of the Delhi Administra- tion. The report will be laid on the Table In the Statement of Objects and Reasons of the House soon and it will. be open for in the Bill, it has been clearly stated : discussion. We can discuss it. “Tbe existing provisions in the Delhi Municipal Corporation Act, 1957, to So far as compensation etc. are concern- enforce the fire safety measures, ed, it is a private liability because it is a particularly in multi-storey buildings, private hotel. had been found to be most inadequate in the absence of the necessary Regarding the suggestion for Claims statutory authority for the fire preven- Commission it can be looked into. We can tion enforcement agencies to compel set up a Claims Commission, and things can the owners of buildings to carry out be considered in depth, as Mr. Jndrajit the necessary measures for prevention Gupta suggested. of fires.” 287 Delhi Firs Prevention & NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Delhi Fire Prevention & 288 Fire Safety Bill— Contd. Fire Safety Bill—-Contd. [Shri Chintamani Panigrahi] There are no amendments to Clauses 2 to 6- The question is : Therefore, it was felt necessary to have a unified authority, and the Lt.. Governor “That Clauses 2 to 6 stand part of should become the Administrator for this the Bill.” unified authority so that in a coordinated way all these local bodies under the unified The motion was adopted. authority can really look into these fire accidents, because more high rise buildings Clauses 2 to 6 were added to the Bill. have come up in Delhi. * Clause 7—-(Default Powers of the Chief Fire Officer) Regarding equipping Delhi Fire Service with modern equipment, I hope they are SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK (Panaji): doing a very commendable work. Therefore, I beg to move : sometimes, if we think that they are not doing a very good work, then it will not be Page 4, lines 34 and 35, charitable on our part to say that. But still deficiencies are there. As the Hon. Members for “take such steps as may be have suggested, we shall try our best to see necessary for compliance of such that Delhi Fire Service becomes one of the notice.” best fire services because it is in the Capital of India. Whatever lacunae are there, we substitute— shall try to plug them. Whatever suggestions the Hon. Members have made, because they “get the safety measures specified in have their own experience—we shall try to the notices, taken through local see that it should be made one of the most authority, and that all the expenses modern fire services in the Capital and all incurred by the local authority in other Capital Cities in the country should taking such measures shall be recover- follow them. I hope we shall take note of ed from the occupier as arrears of land them. Besides all this, whatever more revenue.” (1) suggestions the Hon. Members have made, all those will be considered and whatever If you go through Sections 4 and 6 you deficiencies have been pointed out we can will find that we issue a notice for an bring them in the rules and try to make it occupier to do certain repairs in the interest a very comprehensive Act so that it can of the building as an occupier. Fine. If he help us for the time being in improving the does not do those repairs, what does the fire menace in Delhi. I appeal to the Hon. law say? Here Section 7(1) says as Members—as they have given their unani- follows : mous support to the Bill —to help us in passing this Bill. I shall be grateful to them "Take such steps as may be necessary for their helpful attitude which they have for the compliance of such notice.” shown towards me.

What I am saying is this. Steps may not MR. CHAIRMAN : The question is : be specified. My amendment 1 reads as • “That the Bill to make move effective follows : provision for the fire prevention and “Get the safety measures specified in fire safety measures in certain build- the notices, taken through local ings and premises in the Union authority, and that all the expenses Territory of Delhi, be taken into incurred by .the local authority in consideration.” taking such measures shall be recover- The motion was adopted ed from the occupier as arrears of land revenue.” MR. CHAIRMAN : The House now shall take up clause-by-clause consideration This sentence takes such steps as become of the Bill. very big. It does not mean anything. 289 Delhi Fire Prevention & KART1KA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Delhi Fire Prevention & 2^0 Fire Safety Bill—Contd. Fire Safety Bill—Contd. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI : SRry ? In the Act. There is no Financial It is already there. Memorandum as to what are the funds needed and what funds are available. If the Therefore, there is no question of Hon. Minister is satisfied, it can 1 want to giving it. withdraw the amendment.

SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI : MR. CHAIRMAN : Do you want to withdraw your amendment ? Expenses cannot be foreseen today. The funds are there. I hope I have already explained. But the expenses, what expenses SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK : Yes. will be incurred cannot be said now. MR. CHAIRMAN : Has the Hon. Member leave of the House to withdraw his MR. CHAIRMAN : Do you want to amendment ? withdraw your amendment ?

SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS : Yes. SHRI SOMNATH RATH : Yes. MR. CHAIRMAN : Is it the pleasure Amendment No. 1, h a$\ by leave, of the House that Shri ScmnMh Raih be withdrawn. allowed leave to withdraw his amendment ?

MR. CHAIRMAN : The question is : SEVFRAL HON. MFMBERS : Yes. “That Clause 7 stand part of the Amendment No. 4 was, by leave, Bill.*’ withdrawn. The motion was adopted. Clause 8 - (Appeals)

Clause 7 was added to the Bill. MR. CHAIRMAN : Clause 8, there are New Clause 7A two amendments by Shri Shantaram Naik. Do you move them ? SHRI SOMNATH RATH (Aska) : I beg to move: SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK (Panaji) : I beg to move : Page 4,— Page 4, line 47,— after line 39, insert— for “An appeal” substitute , “A “7A. In order to enable the Chief revision.” (2) Fire Officer to meet all expenses referred to in sub section (2) of Page 4,—

section (7) a fund out of the Consoli- * dated Fund of India shall be placcd after line 50, insert— at the disposal of the Chief Fire Officer who will incur the expenditure “Punicled that no order of the as per the rules to be prescribed.” (4) Appellate, Triturnl j>hall be revind • unless theie is a giave eiror of law I have given an arrert’n'trt lo provide or tlat there aie other e>xepiicnal fund so that the expenditure ircurred by the eircurrsiar.ies for doirg so.” (?) officials in the discharge of their di-lies like demolition of hou;es or repairs of hr use, When a rotice is issued first appeal is etc. is to be met out of that fund. The provided, but nfier that appeal then again Hon. Minister says that tlere is sufficient anoiher appeal is piovidcd. Sir, we are now fund with other agencics which can meet doirg away wiih the stccrd appeal ar d we the expenditure. But it would ha\e been are providing only one. Here v\e are provid- better if the fman:ial memorandum would ing for two appeals. It is rot fair. The have been there mentioning what fund they second appeal may be coMerted into have got. And what are the funds neces- revision. 291 Delhi F in Prevention & NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Supp. Demands for 291 Fire Safety Bill —Contd. Grants— [RIwy.)t 1986-87

SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI : MR. CHAIRMAN : The question is : I have already explained all these things, about the appeals and other things. Nothing “That the Bill be passed.” new has been added. The motion was adopted. MR, CHAIRMAN : Do you want to withdraw your amendment 7

SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK : Yes. 16.28 hrs.

MR. CHAIRMAN : Has the Hon. SUPPLEMENTARY DEMANDS FOR Member leave of the House to withdraw his GRANTS— (RAILWAYS), 1986 87* Aottadnsnts ? [English] SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS : Yes. MR. CHAIRMAN : We now take up Amendment Nos. 2 and 3 weret by Discussion and Voting on the Supplementary leave t withdrawn. Demands for Grants in respect of the MR. CHAIRMAN : The question is : Budget (Railways) for 1986-8*7. 'That Clause 8 stand part of the BiU.” Motion moved :

The motion w as adopted. ‘‘That the respective supplementary sums not exceeding the amounts shown Clause 8 wai added to the Bill. in the third column of the Order Paper be granted to the President of Clause 9 tc 16 were added to the Bill. India out of the Consolidated Fund Clause 1. the Enacting Formula and of India to defray the charges that were added to tbe Bill. will come in course of payment during Ihe Tilje the year ending the 31st day of SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI: March, 1987, in respect of the heads I beg Io move : of Demands entered in the second column thereof—Demand Nos. 1, 3 “That the Bill be passed.” to 12, 14 and 16.”

Supplementary Demands for Grants (Railways) for 1986-87 to be submitted to the Vote o f Lok Sabha

No. of Demand Name of Demand Amount of Demand for Grants submitted to the Vote of the House

1 2 3

Rs. 1. Railway Board 70*00,000 3. General Superintendence and Services on Railways 55,85,34,000 4. Repairs and Maintenance of Permanent Way and Works 80,93,33.000

*Mpved with tbe recommendations of the President. i^3 Supp. Demands for RARTIKA ll, i 90S (SAKA) Supp. Demands for i$4 Grants— {Rlwy.)t 1986-87 Grants— (Riwy.), 1986-87

1 2 3

5. Repairs and Maintenance of MotiVfe Power 43,74,79,000 6. Repairs and Maintenance of Carriages and Wagons 66,64,44, Obb 7. Repairs and Maintenance of Plant and Equipment 43,58,43,000 8. Operating Expenses— Rolling Stock and Equipment 62,23,18,000 9. Operating Expenses—Traffic 105,01,32,000

10. Operating Expenses — Fuel 1,29.61,000 11. Staff Welfare and Amenities 27,38,19,000 12. Miscellaneous Working Expenses 32,61,37,000 14. Appropriation to Funds 70,00,00,000 16. Assets— Acquisition, Construction and Replacement Other Expenditure 42,00,000

MR. CHAIRMAN : Shri Bhaltam financial year in which case tbe deficit is also Srirama Murty to initiate the discussion. going to further increase.

This is the present state of financial SHRI BHATTAM SRIRAMA MURTY affairs of the Railways. Let it be understood (Visakhapatnam) : The Government intends and realised that the contours of railway to raise the freight rates by 15 per cent with finances have not matched with the require- a view to net an additional income of Rs. 4 ments of expansion and modernisation. The 320 crores during the current financial year, railways should tone up their entire system in a full year they were able to secure an of budgeting and financial administration. additional revenue to the tune of Rs. 1000 Internal generation of resources for funding crores. This is a huge amount—a substantial development activities and expansion is the amount. And unexpectedly and with little greatest need of the hour and that is being or no justification the Government has taken emphasised day in and day out. During tbe recourse to a supplementary budget to raise Seventh Five Year^Plan period, Rs. 12334 such a huge amount. crores are requirf& for track renewal of 20,000 kms. and ™*ctrific«lion of 3400 As I said, I repeat, this is very disastrous, route kms. in addition to the rolling stock, this is most unsustainable and this cannot be etc. The outlay for the first- two years is defended. A surplus of Rs. 69 crores in the Rs. 4700 crores. Therefore, it stands to Budget has ultimately turned out to be a doubt whether the railways bill be able to deficit of Rs 415 crores consequent on the achicve an internal generation of resources application of the recommendations of the to the extent of 50 per cent of the plan out- Pay Commission report. Therefore, additional lay in the coming years. This is tbe position revenue is sought to be raised to the extent of finances of the railways in a nutshell. of Rs. 320 crores. Even this deficit would further increase to Rs. 95 crores, even after Coming to the budget proper, it is said an additional income of Rs. 320 crores. that the additional levy has been put with a There may be further increases in the dear- view to meet the additional commitment on ness allowances in the course of the current account of increase in pay packet of the 295 Supp. Demands for NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Supp. Demands for 296 Grants—(Rlwy.), 1986*87 Grants - [Rlwy.)t 1986-87 [Shri Bhattam Srirama Murty] which are beyond his control. Are the circumstances beyond his central and understand- railway employees. The recommendations of ing ? What are the factors which are beyond the pay Commission have not come a day his control ? Are not things like pension, too soon. In fact, the Pay Commission has provident fund, D. A., revised pay scales abnormally delayed submission of its report. understood earlier ? Budget implies a policy So this is not an unexpected thing. This has making also, lt is not merely an accounting not come as a surprise. Therefore, the process. It is not a question of pluses and Government should have provided for this minuses putting together. Budget should in the budget itself. But that was not done. signify the policy of the Government in terms Again, let me refer to productivity linked of rupees, annas and pies. Now, what is the bonus. A provision of Rs. 33 crores has policy of the Government. The Government been shown here in the Supplementary some time back had taken a stand that Demands under this head. This obviously is indirect taxation should be eliminated, should not a new concept. Could you not foresee be dispensed with, should not be resorted this ? It is claimed by the Minister that the to as far as possible because this indirect productivity has increased and has rightly taxation goes against the very facets of the claimed credit for this That being so, why ntw policy frame work which is announced was not this amount provided in the original by the Government on the floor of the House budget itself ? Is it not a lapse ? Is it not and elsewhere too. 1 do not know whether expected of the Railway Board to visualise there is any consistency between tbe policy this contingency ? Why was it not done announced by the Minister of Finance and earlier ? also the policy followed by tbe Minister of Railways. These two things sometimes appear to be irreconcilable, sometimes parallel, Again, the other item is the contribution to the pension fund. It comes to about sometimes moving in opposite directions. Rs, 70 crores. This amount also can as well The Minister has rightly stressed upon a be anticipated. very important topic, namely, rationalisation of tax structure, in bis speech. But let me submit that this agaiu is not done. This is Now, coming to DA, DA sanctioned not attempted. Whatever is now done is done from 1st of Apul implies additional liability on an ad hoc basis, in an unscientific manner. of Rs. 25 crores. Further inciease in DA 1 would welcome a rationalised tax structure was not taken into account at the time, of on a scientific basis. Let a study be made. formulation of Supplemrntary Demands. 1 Let the experts go into it and produce a do not know why. That can as well be report which would be helpful for future. anticipated by the Railway Board. There Theiefore, a rationalised tax structure is the seems to be a continuous lapse, a habitual need of the hour. I entirely agree that if thing in this regard. As a matter of fact, some formula is there, some in-depth study because of the inflationary nature of the is there, that would really help. Let that budget itself, the prices are bound to escalate be undertaken by the Minister. This is my and you have to neutralise them and, there- suggestion. fore, DA also has got to be paid io them. So this being the situation, you shoo'd havs The Minister has said that he has not prepared for it. This is not a sudden deve- toucled the passengers— 90 per cent of lopment which you are conf/onted with. thim. Yes, he did not. But he did the worst Therefore, 1 earnestly feel that at the lime of thing. He did not touch the passengers, all presentation of the Budget this should have right, but he touched the common man been closely .scrutinised and gone into. Budget because it has got a cascading efTect, it has has been prepared in a very slipshed manner, get an inflationary efTect, it has get the efTect in a clumsy way, in an haphazard manner, of increasing the prices of all consumer not an scientific, systematic basis. Everything commodities and, therefore, the pocket of is done on an ad ht’C basis. every consumer is going to be taxed by this method. J want the Minister to really under- The Minister says he had to raise stand that these are the implications of the additional revenues through increase in tariff present measure. Increase in freight rates by ratss, freight rates, under circumstances Railways will result in coal becoming more 297 Supp. Demands for KARTiKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Supp. Demands for 298 Grants—(Rlwy.), 1986-87 Grarts— (Rfwy.), 1986-87 costly for consumers in deficit areas and for SHRI BHATTAM SRIRAMA MURTY : cement units. Steel plants will have to incur That may not be your intention but that is a heavier expenditure on the movement of the consequence of your action. That is what raw materials from mines and plants Simi- I am pointing out. Anyway that is not a good larly, it will have effect on despatch of precedent. finished products later. Movement of products like cement and fertilizers will become Let me come to the Service Conditions. costlier. Other administrative prices may also These are not good. Railway men are being increase. Electricity Boards may also revise forced to work for 16 hours a day. In their tariff rates. Steel and coal prices are South, goods train are being run without apt to increase. Higher transportation cost guards even. Government should have parity will inevitably affect the prices of goods in duty hours, bonus and wage structure of carried. Therefore, I submit that this indirect the employees of alb public sector under* method of taxation may not affect the actual takings. passengers but it will affect the common man, everybody, whoever is living in this I would like to touch upon another im- country. So, now this cannot be justified in portant aspect. The Minister for Finance any manner even on the basis of the stan- in his open House meetings made some mar- dards and norms which they have laid for ginal concessions, announced marginal con- themselves and proclaiming that they will not cessions. These things are being appropria- resort to indirect taxation. ted by the Railway Ministry and whatever concessions he offers, they are being taken It was also proclaimed by the Minister away now by the Railway Ministry. There- that the whole thing is done with a view to fore, what I suggest is— let there be a better meet additional demand on account of tbe co ordination between the Railways and the recommendations of the Pay Commission, Central Budgeting system. The levies are not with a view to meet the requirements of the different from the tax imposed by the Union employees. That means what ? Every time Ministry in a way as far as the net result is you increase the salary of the employees, concerned. At the time of bringing forward you want to specifically say that this is the certain demands, let there not be duplication amount for which you want to tax the ordi- of supplementary demands. There should be nary man. Broadly, you mean the common one Supplementary Demand Government people have to bear the additional burden should plan most of its taxes at the beginning of salaries and you specify that amount. of the year including administered prices. That means you want to bring employees to public contempt. Supposing this method is adopted by every State Government and also Let me refer to the frequent railway the Central Government, what would be the accidents. I have statistics with me, mooth to effect and its impact ? month account, and accidents score board is available. The number of train accidents THE MINISTER OF STATE OF between April and December 1984 is 592. In THE MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI 1985 it is 5 96. In the last two decades, MADHAVRAO SC1ND1A): Third Pay Com- figure was given by the Government them- mission also. selves. It is 2131 and odd.

SHRI BHATTAM SRIRAMA MURTY : In broad guage 59.2 per cent accidents You have got a precedent and, therefore, occurrcd. In metre guage and narrow guage, this can go on. Supposing for a moment about 38.4 per cent accidents occurred. whatever is paid to the Government servants, whatever may be the expenditure for that purpose, some levy is to be made. This is Sir, the Report of the Commissioner of very unfortunate. You are exposing them Railway Safety for 1984-85 said that human and bringing one Section of society against failure is mainly responsible for all these another. accidents and therefore, they made about 1 81 recommendations. I do not know what SHRI MADHAVRAO SC1NDIA : That action is taken by the Government on these is an exaggeration. Do not exaggerate. recommendations and it will be worthwhile if 299 Supp. Demands for ' NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Supp. Demands for 300 Grants—(Rlwy.), 1986-87 Grants— 1986-87

[Shri Bhattam Srirama Murty] city is of vital importance to a big city like Visakhapatnam, which is a fast growing city. the Minister also throws some light on the So, in the heart of this city an overbridge is action taken or proposed to be taken on necessary. The State Government also has these issues. offered to give some grant and in spite of that, the matter is pending for quite some Sir, I come to one or two aspects which time and therefore, I request the Minister to concern some of us in our own areas. The take some action on this also. Kotipalli-Kakinada railway line was an old one and it was abandoned some time [Translation] during the Second World War. It has to be SHRI UMA KANT MISHRA (Mirzapur): revived and it has got to be done. Let the Mr. Chairman, Sir, there is not much scope action be expedited on this. for debate on these Demands for Grants, but {Interruptions) as an opportunity has bfen provided it enables us to review the working of the [Translation] department and extend a few suggestions in that regard. SHRI V. TULSIRAM (Nagar Kurnool) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, the Hon. Minister is Sir, in his brief statement while presenting talking, let him listen to what the Hon. the Demands for Grants, the Railways Member is speaking. The Minister is not Minister pointed to few important things listening and they are also not listening. If which are encouraging. While highlighting they do not want to listen, then what is the the performance of his department, he said use of sitting here ? Please listen to him. that whereas the target for transportation of goods in the current year was 267 million THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE tonnes, Railways transported 128.4 million MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI tonnes of goods upto September this year— MADHAVRAO SCINDIA) : We can listen i.e. one million tonnes more than the target to both of them. fixed for the said peiiod. This is indeed very encouraging. He hopes that by the end of SHRI V. TULSIRAM : Were it so, we the current financial year, Railways may be do not know what would have happened. able to transport three million tonnes more goods than its target and I feel that it may {Interruptions) come true. It is indeed commendable and the Hon. Minister needs to be congratulated for [English] it. Besides, there has been marked improvement in the speed of trains. Railways, MR. CHAIRMAN : Order, order. which is one of the biggest departments in the country, is vital for the development of SHRI BHATTAM SRIRAMA MURTY : the country. Country’s progress and develop- It does not matter. He has got two years ment depends to a large extent on Railways after all like his two hands to listen to both and if there is improvement in its working, sides. I have no objection. I am not object- the pace of development will accelerate. Our ing to their talking. I hope you will note young Minister of State of Railways Shri down my points. Madhavrao Scindia has done a commendable job, by ensuring punctuality of trains and Sir, the fioal point before I conclude is improving the performance within the that the Tenali-Vijayawada-Guntur line is limited resources and framework. He has also pending. A certain amount was also given appropriate explanation for the taxes provided for in the budget for this. But the that have been levied by him. The depart- work is not taken up in right earnest. There- ment employs 17 to 18 lakh workers and fore, I request the Minister to do something the recommendations of Fourth Pay Com- in this matter. mission have thrown an additional burden of Rs. 462 crores by way of wages, an amount As far as Visakhapatnam is concerned, a of Rs. 33 crores has been paid by way of road-cuni-rail bridge in the heart of the bonus and Rs.70crores would have to be paid 30! Supp. Demands for KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Supp. Demands for 302 Grants— (Rlwy.), 1986-87 Grants— (Rt»y.), 1986-87 by way of pension. It will involve an addi- There is one thing more which is related to tional expenditure of Rs. 520 crores. As the Hon. Minister’s home State. Rewa and this expenditure has to be met this year, the Sidhi districts of Madhya Pradesh are adja- deficit shown at the time of Budget has in- cent to our district and the said district creased. But the Hon. Minister has sagaci- headquarters are yet to be linked by rail. I ously acted to bridge the gap. He has only would request that this should be immedi- imposed a tax of 15 per cent on parcels and ately linked. Secondly, I would like that booking of luggage to cover the deficit. Even Satna should be linked to Rewa and onward theji there will be a deficit of Rs. 95 crores. to Mirzapur and Bhadoi and thereafter the Keeping in view the fact that the department line should go upto Guwahati in Assam via is one of the biggest in the country this is Jaunpur, Azamgarh and Gorakhpur. This not much. He was sagacious enough not to would link up Madhya Pradesh, Uttar increase passenger fares. We welome it Pradtsh and Bihar areas directly with Assam and thank him for it. Crores of passengers and they could thus develop. It would bene- travel by trains every year and the Hon. fit those areas. Similarly, the line from Minister needs to be thanked and con- Satna to Rewa could be taken upto Singrauli gratulated that he did not increase their via Sidhi and Mirzapur and Bhadoi could be burden. linked via Satna to Rewa. This line would thus go from Bhadoi to Banaras, Azamgarh Sir, I feel this is an opportunity when we and Gorakhpur and onwards to Assam via can bring to his notice some of our problems Bihar. This line is viral for the development related to railways as also some of our of these .areas. demands. As 1 have already mentioned, Rail- ways is vital for development and prcgress. There is a railway line which goes from The pace of development is very fast in the unknow to eastern U.P. and passes through areas which are linked by railway lines. I Gonda, Bahraich, Basti and Gorakhpur and feel that the Railway Minister and his onwards to Assam. This line should be con- department must be of the view that all the verted into a broad guage line. This line backward areas in the country should be conversion work has already been started on linked by railway lines. I am not aware of Banaras—Ghazipur— Azamgarh— Gorakhpur the financial position of his department, but section. This should also be immediately it has been reported and we often come completed. Varanasi and Allahabad, the two across it here in this House that it is not most important cities of Uttar Pradesh, very sound. It may be satisfactory, but it is which are at present linked by a metre guage not sound enough to meet the aspirations of line, should be connected by a broad guage the entire country immediately. He should line. We have demanded it earlier also and always bear in mind that unless the back- we once again repeat our demand. ward areas are linked with Railway lines, they cannot be developed. I am not saying it in the context of entire country, but with Sir, there is need for renewal of tracks specific reference to my area. The Hon. which have become old. Railway tracks have Railway Minister may be having some pro- to be renewed, as one of the Hon. Member, posals in this regard which may be imple- has just stated. We are entering the 21st mented in the Seventh and Eighth Five Year Century shortly and we want that our rail- Plans. I would like to put forward way system should also correspond to the requirements of that age. The Government a few suggestions with regard to my area. This is the area surrounded by will be working in that direction. Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh and Bihar. The area to which I am referring There are two demands relating to our is eastern U P>f Western Bihar and Northern area. There is an old train 11 UP and 12 Madhya Pradesh. This is linked with all the DN which goes from Calcutta to Delhi and three States. This is a very backward region back and passes through our area This is a and the Hon. Minister is aware of it. Its very old train and its condition is very bad. backwardness is heightened in the absence of Its coaches, doors, bathrooms, latrines are any rail communication That is why \ would in a very bad shape. Similarly there is one request the Hon. Railway Minister that he more old train which goes from Mirzapur to should pay attention to this area henceforth. Lucknow and one train goes from Chopan to 303 Supp. Demands for NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Supp. Demands for 304 Grants- {Rlwy.), 1986-87 Grants— (Rlwy.), 1986 87 [Shri Uma Kant Mishra] demands; it could have been included in the original budget. But he has not Mirzapur. The condition of these trains is said that this is a wasteful expenditure; also very bad. This too should be looked this is an avoidable expenditure. So, I think into. I have already met the Hon. Minister that supplementary demands are mainly in this connection and narrated to him the meant for the maintenance and repairs and condition of these trains. for the staff benefits and other amenities. We cannot accuse the Minister for bringing Mirzapur is one of the important railway this proposal for additional revenue because stations in U.P. 1 ast year one of the Assam as a result of implementation of Pay Com* bound trains used to pass through that mission’s recommendation, payment of station. That train has now been diverted to Dearness Allowance instalments, payment of some other line. That train is being run for productivity lirkcd bonus, the additional four days on Bhadoi line and four days on expenditure comes to about Rs, 520 Mirzapur line. There used to be no restric- ciores. Tn addition to that, Rs. 70 crores tion of 400 kms. on the train which was is necessary for contribution to the Pension previously running and there used to no Fund. My friend from the Telgu Desam ‘Super Fast’ train charges also. Allahabad is has criticised these provisions for additional almost the second capital of Uttar Pradesh. revenue. But he has not stated as to how the We have the High Court, The AG’s Office, must meet tbe additional expenditure which Pension Office, University, Police head- was mairly meant for the benefit of the quarters and Education Directorate there. employees. He has not attacked the Almost 15000 workers tra\e! to and fro bet- demands of tbe employees. But at the same ween Mirzapur, Allahabad and Kanpur. We time, he has n*t suggested as to how the had requested the Government that for the Railway Minister must increase the revenue convenience of these commuters this restric- for meeting all expenditure. tion of 400 kms and ‘Super Fast’ train charge should be done away with so far as 17 00 hrs. Neelanchal Express and Kalka Mail trains are concerned. Also a new train should be Anyway, I congratulate the Minister for run between Allahabad and Banaras. That not imposing additional r^ssenger fares, would enable the Mirzapur passengers to go even though now there is an uncovered gap. to Allahabad and Kanpur. The revenue can be increased successfully by making more severe checks and eliminating Keeping in view the sentiments of our these ticketless travellers. I may be excused area in this regard, I hope the Hon. Minister uhen 1 say that there are a lot of ticketless would give due attention to our small de- travellers in the North when compared to mands and would, try to meet them. the South. 1 am proud to say that the ticketless travellers in my State of Kerala are negligible, if not ‘nil’ and the passengers With these words, Sir, I thank you as are very disciplined also. Nobody in my will as the Hon, Minister. State travels on the top of the compartment. Nobody normally misbehaves inside the 16 58 hrs. train. But that is not the case everywhere. There arc incidents of high-way robbery [MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chair] and lotting which have, how-a-days, become [English) a common affair in the trains. In the long distance trains, especially coming from SHRI VAKKOM PURUSHOTHAMAN Kerala and the South, the passengers have (Alleppey) : I support the supplementary heart-throbbing stories of robberies, molest- Demands for Grants for expenditure of rail- ing of ladies and they have to undergo un- ways moved by our dynamic young Minister necessary troubles, indecent behaviour etc, Shri Madhavrao Scindia. 1 am sure that 1 hey complain to the authorities. But the nobody can criticise this expenditure passengers are, in fact, rebuked by many of as avoidable or sheer waste. My friend the officers. They come and tell us about from Telgu Desam has criticised the sad state of affairs. But whJt can they supplementary demands as expected do ? So, my submission is that the Minister 305 Supp. Demands for KART IK. A 21, 1908 (SAKA) Supp. Demands for 30 6 Grants— (Rlwy.), 1986-87 Grants-{Rlwy.), 1986-87

has to take very strong action in stopping additional lines. As my friend has stated, all these things. having additional lines means giving more scope for development in our State. But we Very recently, an employee of Matra- are neglected. In 1979-80, construction .of a bhoomi, a leading Malayalam daily news- new railway line from ErnakuUim to Allep- paper, was missing for days together. His pey was approved and work started. In box was found in the train. After so many 1982-8 3 an extension of this line to Kayan- days, when, he returned, he has so many gulam was also approved. The total length stories to tell us about how he suffered with of this additional line comes to less than the co-passengers; how he was thrown out 100 kilometres. I may request the Railway and all those things. Even, in today’s paper Minister... in the Times of India, a report has come about the armed miscreants looting train MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Please try passengers. I quote : to conclude. There are some Members want- ing to speak tuday itself. “Jabalpur, November 11’* SHRI VAKKOM PURUSHOTHAMAN : “About five young miscreants armed I request the Minister to expedite this line with lethal weapons looted eight because it is very important. Additional passengers in a second-class compart- amount should be allotted in this year itself. ment of the Jabalpur-Nagpur train The entire money of Rs 4 crores allotted near Shikara railway station, about from the current year’s budget has been 50 km from here on Sunday, accord- completely exhausted Therefore, please ing to a South-Eastern Railway allot some more money for the current year. Spokesman” .

So many requests are pending from our This type of roports comes every day in the State Government. The main request is newspapers. In the long-distance trains, these electrification of the railways in our State. miscreants enter and treat the passengers very 1 understand that the Kerala Government badly. Some passengers are even thrown out have offered electriciiy at a cheap rate. In the of the reserved compartment. Some of the MPs Conference the Chief Minister I old us miscreants enter the compartment without to inform the Railway Minister that the even tickets and occupy the seats reserved Kerala Government is prepared to give elec- for long distance passengers. So, my humble tricity at a concessional rate; the Chief submmission is that Government should take Minister has told all Members of Parliament very strong steps to stop this sad State of from Kerala. Therefore, I request the affairs in the trains. Minister to take immediate steps there also.

In the new Railway Bill which has been MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Please referred to the Joint Committee, some of the conclude. provisions are really very good, especially inclusion of more offences and imposition of SHRI VAKKOM PURUSHOTHAMAN : very stringent punishment. This may help There are so many demands fiom my Stale. to deal with the miscreants to some extent. Since there is no time, I am not elaborating Of course, I am not coming to details about on those. But I may tell you that there is a the experience of people from south in the big criticism in my State that we are neglec- trains. Mr. Scindia, our main complaint is ted by the Railways. Almost all the papers this We, the people of Kerala, have got a write editorials every year, after the Railway genuine grievances against your Ministry Budget is out, about the poor allocation of because we are neglected by the Railways. funds for the development of Railways in After independence, during the last 40 years, Kerala. In fact, they criticise us, the Mem- the only additional line we got was the bers of Parliament, in their editorials. We extension of a broadgauge line from Ernakulam are placing before you all our demands But to Trivandrum and a subsequent extension nothing happens. So, excuse me when I say to Kanyakumari which is in Tamil Nadu. that it is with much reluctance and with We have been repeatedly asking for so many heartfelt pain that I tell you, Mr. Scird a, 307 Supp. Demands for NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Supp. Demands for 308 Grants— (RIwy.)t 1986-87 Grants— (Rlwy.), 1986-87

[Shri Vakkom Purushothaman] Now, the Hon. Minister very cleverly and stealthily imposed a very heavy burden on that we will be forced to offer Satyagraha in the people. I thought that he is really front of your official residence if proper efficient. Even now I have admiration allocation is not made for the development for him. I thought that by better manage- of Railways in Kerala. ment he would fill up the gap. We knew that due to the revision of pay of the railway MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Then all staff, the cost will come more. We all the MPs will be before his house. thought that the Minister by his clever and better management will absorb that cost. But SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA : I unfortunately it is not so. would like to invite him to offer a Satya- graha inside my residence. What will be the impact of it ? The price of the core materials like steel, coal, food MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Then your stuff and all the essential commodities will bouse cannot accommodate them because go up very soon. So, I strongly oppose this. all the 540 MPs come to your house. I (Interruptions) would like to mention that at 5,30 p m. we are going to take up Half-an-Hour discus- He cannot justify the imposition of Rs. sion. For those who want to participate in 1000 crores because the extra cost due to the discussion on the supplementary demands the pay revision of the staff is only Rs. 500 for grants of the Railway Ministry, I would crores. But why has he levied Rs. 1000 give only five minutes today If they want to crores extra ? I don’t know what they would speak tomorrow they can take sufficient time. mean by long-term fiscal policy. Is this an Therefore, whomever I am calling may indication for the next budget ? You are please take only five minutes. going to levy something more. So, I oppose this. Now Mr. V. S. Krishna Iyer will speak. He may take only five minutes, if he wants to I would like to mention one or two more speak today itself. The time is very short and points Because for want of time I will other Members also want to speak. straightaway come to my State. SHRI V. S. KRISHNA IYER (Bangalore South) : Mr. Deputy Speaker : I rise to MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : ' You can oppose this Supplementary Demands ... go to your constituency also. f Interruptions) When the Hon. Railway Minister began his speech, J thought that he SHRI V. S. KRISHNA IYER : The would return home with bouquets; but that development of the Railways is not very is not to be. I wanted to congratulated him; satisfactory. It is not upto the expectation. but when the latter part of his speech was We knew that it was because of the financial heard by me with rapt attention, I was constraint. We know that Planning Commis- really very much disappointed as were many sion has been very unkind to the Railway other Members. Ministry. That is why the entire House with one voice demanded that sufficient funds The young and the dynamic Minister, should be provided for Railways. What is - with a stroke of pen levied and imposed an the result ? In the past two plans... unprecedented levy of Rs. 1000 crores on the people of India. It is unprecedented. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Try to be The impact of it, probably the Hon. Mem- brief Sir. That is why I told you in the bers have not felt. It will be known only in beginning itself that you could speak the month of December or January. tomorrow.

I have got some figures that the Railways SHRI V. S. KRISHNA IYER : Sir, have imposed in the past ten years. It was four hours are allotted for this. You know never so high as the one which the Hon. that generally I am very brief. The percen- Minister has tried to do now. Even in 1 98 5- tage of allocation by the Planning Commis- 86 it was only Rs 495 crores. In 1986 87, sion used to be 15 per cent in the 1950s- the cunent year it .was only Rs. 76 crores. > 1960s whereas now it is only 7 per cent. I 309 Supp. Demands for KARTIK A 21, 1908 (SAKA) Supp. Demands for 310 Grants— {Rlwy.)y 1986-87 Grants—(Rlwy.), 1986*87 think the entire House will agree with me it with the Chief Minister and see that it is that the Planning Commission must come implemented and sufficient funds allocated forward to see that sufficient funds are allo- for this. cated to the railways. The future of the railways is very bleak. Mr. Bansi Lai while [Translation] replying to the Railway budget debate had said for on-going track renewal projects Rs. SHRI JUJHAR SINGH (Jbalawar) : 1500 crores are required but the budget Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, at the outset I provision is only Rs. 350 crores. Similarly would like to congratulate the Hon. Railways for gauge conversion the amount required is Minister, because there has been a marked Rs. 800 crores whereas only Rs. 150 crores change in the attitude of people towards rail- have been provided. ways during the last two years. Peaple have started realizing that the railway administra- Sir, I will be failing in my duty if I do tion and working of railways is improving not say anything about my State. Mr. fast. If confidence is generated in general pub- Vakkom Purushothaman spoke about injus- lic in favour of any Government department, tice having been done to Kerala but I would more so about Railways, it is proof of the say greater injustic has been done to fact that Railways has made remarkable Karnataka. Karnataka has been a neglected progress and its woiking is smooth. The cre- State. Tbe Railway Minister said priority dit of this improvement goes to the present will be given to on-going projects. 1 would Railway Minister under whose able leadership like to give one or two instances. One is and direction Railways has progressed a lot. Bangalore-Mysore broad-gauge conveision. It requires Rs. 25 crores but you have pro- The House is discussing Demands for vided only Rs. 49 lakhs in the current year. Supplementaly Grants of tbe Ministry of Recently the Minister announced at the Railways at pretent. This has been done to Congress office meeting at Bangalore that implement the lecommendations of Fouith another Rs. 50 lakhs will be provided. We Pay Commission which has thrown an addi- welcome it but at this rate it will take 25 tional burden of Rs. 462 crores on the years to complete this scheme and it will cost Railways, by way of enhanced wages to the Rs. 40 crores. Similarly, for Chittardurga- staff. These Dtmands try to make some Raidurga new line a meagre amount has been provision in that regard. Mr. Deputy provided. Speaker, Sir, imposition of tax bad become inevitable and to meet the recommendations Lastly 1 have one or two suggestions for of the Pay Commission, Railways had to new works. As matters stand today no new make some appropriate provisions, but I works can be undertaken in the Seventh and would like to add here that we expect higher Eight Five Year Plans but there are some efficiency in the agency in which raise in tax new schemes which are a must. One is has ban necessitated. If there will be lack Karwar-Hubli railway line because founda- of efficiency in the Railways in future, people tion for the Karwar naval base has been laid will feel that great injustice has been done to by the Prime Minister recently. If you do them by imposing these taxes, because every- not put up railways what effect it will have one is well aware that the additional burden on the naval base. You must see that this of Rs. 462 crores or Rs. 590 crores on the line is taken up early. Then a word about Railways is mainly on account of payment Jallarpat-Bangalore railway line. It is un- of higher wages to the railwaymen. People fortunate that no funds have been allocated now expect greater efficiency and better for this scheme whereas Northern Railway performance from ihe Railway staff. I hope surrendered Rs. 160 crores provided for that the Hon. Minister will try his level best electrification. to achieve this and also remove the short comings in Railway system that have been Our Chief Minister had discussion pointed out earlier by other lion. Members. recently with you in regard to my constituency in connection with rapid transit Now, I would like to draw the attention system for Bangalore city. Bangalore has of the Hon, Minister to few problems become an international city The transit regarding trains in my area and seek his con- system is a must. You please again discuss sideration in that respect. Mr. Deputy Speaker. 3ll Supp. Demands for NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Supp. Demands for 312 Grants— (Rlwy.), 1986-87 Grants—‘(Rlwy.), 1986-87

[Shri Jujhar Singh] Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, a lot of traffic is generated from Ramganj mandi which is Sir, first and the foremost thing is that very big mandi. It would be very good, if recently the two trains viz., Dehradun Express arrangements are made to connect it by a and Janata Express, have been cancelled. fast train. It would be of great convenience to Sir, the Dehradun Express was the only train the people. 1 hope that you would certainly between Delhi and Kota by which common do something in this regard. passengers used to travel. The other trains on this route are either super fast or long distance Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, there is a trains. Common man does not travel by these very old railway line in Kota region which trains, because they are not allowed in them. covers the constituency of the Hon. Minister Keeping in view the heavy traffic that is also and that is called Kota-Bina line. No generated there, it has been a long standing work has been done on this line, since its demand to introduce an additional train construction. Also no improvement has been between Kota and Delhi. The number of brought about, Tracks are very old and the existing trains was fouod to be inadequate, condition of the bogies of trains is very bad, to meet the heavy rush of traffic. Instead of and the trains run very slow. The stations on providing an additional train—which was that route are situated at very long distance required to be introduced there,—one of the and roads are also insufficient for the traffic. existing trains viz., Dehradun Express was Therefore, I request that you should open cancelled. This has caused great resentment one or two new stations on that route in among the local people and they are very order to facilitate the people. much agitated over it. We have requested for a station at It is very essential to cancel a train, Koushali. We would be thankful to you if then you may cancel some other train instead you kindly consider it and sanction it. of it, but I request you not to cancel this Dehradun Express as it is very useful for the Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I thank you common man. Its cancellation has disturbed for providing me an opportunity to speak. the minds of the people and there is an atmosphere of unrest. Therefore, I request *SHRI M. MAHAL1NGAM (Naga- you to restore the runing of this train again. pattinam) : Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, on behalf of the A.I.A.D.M.K., 1 rise to support Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to the Supplementary Demands for Grants for draw the attention of the Hon Minister Railways brought forward by the Hon. through you, regarding the second class in Railway Minister, in this august House, I railways which do not have the reservation welcome the Supplementary Demands for facility, one faces difficulty in getting a scat Grants. and these trains run very crowded. Therefore, 1 request that arrangements should be made Sir, there are about 15 lakhs of villages in to provide a system similar to that of chair the country. Out of this, about 80% villages cjr to the passengers of the second class also do not have any transport facility, particularly by making a payment of nominal cxua rai way transport system. Our country is chargc At present' the situation is that one developing very fast in all respects, but it is has to wrestle to enter into a compartment a sorry state of affairs to know that the and old persons like me, hardly can get into villages do not have proper road facility and a train. most of them are not connected with railway system. Under these circumstances, how can [English] we expect the people living in villages If you ca;i make some sort of arrange- progress ? Sir, in this connection, 1 would ments where people can get a seat in the like to draw the attention of the Hon. second class compartment with a little extra Minister to the Report of the National charge. Transport Committee. The report mentions that the backward and neglected areas [Translation] *The speech was originally delivered in then people would get a lot of relief thereby. Tamil. 313 Supp. Demands for KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) Supp. Demands for 314 Grants—(Rlwy.), 1986-8 7 • Grants— {Rlwy.), 1986-87

should be given preference in the matter of delayed because of the paucity of funds. I transport facilities. Therefore, we should give would therefore request the Hon. Minister utmost importance for the development of kindly to allot more funds for this work so these backward areas and this is possible that the work can be completed as early as olny by providing transport facilities to the possible. people living in these backward areas. But the Government has not taken up for consideration tbe recommendations of the Sir, in my consitituency, that is, in National Transport Committee, right earnest. Nagapattinam, theie is a railway line between The Government should work for the pcpole Mannargudi and Nidamangalam and about and their interests should be upper-most in a decade ago, due to some reason or other, the minds of the Government. But it is not the train running between these two stations doing so. It only sees the profit and loss was completely withdrawn. For the last two whenever it considers a scheme for a parti- years, I have been requesting the Railway cular area. I am sorry to note this kind of Minister for reintroduction of the train bet- attitude of the government. ween these two stations. The reply given to me by the Hon. Minister was that it would not be econom cally viable to run a Sir, in the present Supplementary Budget, train in this line. In this connection, 1 would the Government has brought forwaid a like to point out that ihis situation was proposal for collecting additional revenue of prevailing about 10 or 15 ytais ago and at Rs. 315 crores by way of increase in freight that time there was hatdly any development rates. I would like to warn the Government in that area. 1 have ntw recently explained that by this1 increase in freight rates only the that Mannergudi is a big business centre poor and the common people are efFecied. I and the merchants ard small industrialists would point out that the Railways should not resort to this kind of action to meet and consumers thiong to Mannragudi. The Food Corpoiaticn ol India has also got a additional wages and DA to l,e paid to the godown in Mannargtdi. There is also a staff due to the recommendations of the Fourth Pay Commission. I would suggest that the rice mill of the Tamil Nadu Civil Supplies Railways can avoid unnecessary expenditure Corporation. The foodgrains from the F. C, I. and the rice mill in Mannargudi and plug the corruptions that are taking place at various points. The Railways are regularly have to be moved by trucks and lorries to resorting to increase the fieight charges and Nidamangalam for distribution to other fares. But, at the same time, the facilities be parts of the State by railways. There is also provided to the passengers not commensurate a fertiliser factory called ‘Pamani’ fertilisers. with the fares they are charged. It is most The fertilisers are also to be transported by trucks. In this way, tbe public and the unfortunate that the railway compartments are not maintained properly. The seats are private sector units at Mannargudi are either broken or the cushions are cut. In the paying crores of rupees to the truck and long distance trains, invariably drinking water lorry owners by way of transportation char- facility and the fan facility is not available. ges. This huge sum can go to Railways if they put to use the railway lines already The toilets are stinking because the taps in the toilets very often go dry. The trains in available there. In this area, tbe students the foreign countries are equipped with all going to high schools and colieges have to commute themselves by bus. modern facilities and they run fast. The accidents in railways occur quite often in our country. Sir, the Railways have withdrawn one of the two passanger trains running between For the last 35 years, the Southern Tiruthuraipoondi and Vedaranyam. Since Railway has been neglected and not a single the public are put to lot of difficulties, I railway line has been laid in any part of would request the Hon. Railway Minister Tamil Nadu all these years. The old railway to reintroduce this passenger train. Similarly engines continue to be used. They have to I would request the Hon. Minister to rein- be replaced with modern ones. Sir, between troduce the train between Nagapattinam and Dindigul and Kerur, work relating to conver- Madras. I would also request the Hon. sion of metre-guage lines into broad-guage Minister to consider construction of a new has been taken up long back but it has been railway line between Vedaranyam and 315 H.4.H. Dis. NOVEMBER i 2, 1986 H.A.H. Dis. 316

[Shri M. Mahalingam] unit of the HPC is there in my constituency at Kottayam. 1 am not aware of the func- Nagapattinam. This is a long-standing tioning of the other units of HPC. But I am demand from the public living in that area. a little bit aware of this unit in which I This will mainly help the fishermen and the happen to be one of the office-bearers of the farmers living all along the coastal area. trade union and in that capacity also, I have Sir, in Tiruvarur. about 10 years back, written to the concerned Ministers earlier construction work of an over-bridge was regarding some of the glaring mis-practices taken up. There has been an undue delay going on in the HPC unit there. in completing this small work. I would request the Hon. Minister to take necessary Sir, 1 have great rcspect for both the step for completing this work on priority Ministers— Minister for Industry and basis so that the difficulties faced by ihe Minister for Public Enterprises. For both people in that area removed. of them, I have got great regard and respect and I hope they will take this into very . Lastly, I would request the Hon. Railway serious consideration. I want to mention Minister kindly to consider all the demands two or three points only regarding Hindustan of the people of my constituency very sympa- Paper Corporation, Kottayam Unit, regarding thetically so that there is all-round develop- that I have also earlier written to the ment in the country. 1 thank you, Mr. Minister. The Hindustan Pape Corporation, Deputy Speaker, for giving me this opport- Kottayam Unit which is known as the unity of speaking on the Demands for Grants Hindustan Newsprint Limited, has entered for Railways. into a contract with a firm in Madhya Pradesh for supplying burnt stone-limes which is used as raw materials in tbe hypo 17.30 hrs. plant. Anybody who knows about Kerala HALF-AN-HOUR DISCUSSION knows that burnt.shell lime which is equivalent to burnt Stone-hme is abundantly [English] available in Kerala. This raw material is abundantly available in Kerala. Instead of Loss Incurred by Hindustan Paper buy'ng from the local suppliers, the Corporation Ltd. compary managtment opted to buy the stone litres fiom Madhya Pradesh. Again, MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Now, we I fail to understand, why they bought it are talking Half-an-Hour discussion. Shri from Madhja Pradesh. If they were so Suresh Kurup. particular about using burnt stone limes, they could have bought it from the neigh- SHRI SURESH KURUP (Kottayam) : bouring States like Tamil Nadu or Andhra Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I am happy that Pradesh. But instead, they went ail the way this type of occasion came to discuss about to Madhya Pradesh and entered into a the functioning of the Hindustan Paper contrpct with a firm there for the supply of Corporation. On 4th November, while ans- this burnt stone-lime. But after all the wering a question put by Prof. K. V. Thomas trade-unions registered their complaints and about the functioning of the HPC units, protest regarding this, the management opted the Hon. Minister for Industry replied that to withdraw it after a long time. But the the units have incurred a loss up to 31*3- person concerned, i.e. the then chief execu- 1985 Rs. 136.31 crores. He has also given tive who entered into the contract, was the estimated loss during the 3 years as transferred to Karnataka as in-charge of Rs. 116.71 crores. The main reason which Mandya Paper Company. No action was is mentioned by the Minister for this type of taken, no enquiry wasconducted. The huge loss is, locational disadvantage and Minister may not be aware of these things. also taking over of sick units, power cuts All those persons concerned, who were etc. But one main reason was conspicuously responsible for this deed, are in various high absent. He did not mention that. I would positions of the Corporation up till now. like to say that reason and it is tbe mismanagement and corruption that are going Another thing which, 1think, Mr. on in the HPC units. One important major Tewary knows: I talked to him also about 317 H.A.H. Dis. KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) H.A.H. Dis. 318

it. It is about the appointment of a retired could have done some useful work by station- ISA officer as a Consultant of the company. ing themselves in tbe office, and looking into 1 he Company maintains a liaison office in the affairs of the company. Trivandrum —If do not know for what purpose, what service it renders to the company. I want to mention one incident : 2 or 3 This superannuated IAS otlicer who retired weeks back, there occurred an accident in some 15 years ago,was appointed as the Con- the company, and a worker was fatally sultant or Adviser or something like that, at injured. This firm was not having either a the Trivandrum office on a huge salary. single ambulance Or even a vehicle— leave alone an ambulance—to carry this injured I demand that the Minister should institute worker to the nearby hospital. a thorough enquiry into the functioning of this officer, and about the n'.oncy he drew When the workers went to MD reques- from the company. At last, 4 think probably ting him to provide some sort of conveyance under instructions from the Minister, the to cany the fatally injured worker to a management was ready io curtail his services. hospital, he refused to provide it. This worker But the funny thing is that he is not ready died in the hospital it. This incident occurred to be relieved from the company. He will about three weeks ago. not give charge to another person. He is still using all the facilities that the company A strike took place in the month of hss provided to him, even after lie vvss September in the HPC. From my consti- ordered to quit. How does this happen ? tuency. I rang up Tewarjji and talked about What is the necessity for such a liaison the str ke This strike took place because office in Trivandrum; what are they doing of tbe stubborn attitude of the n anagement. there ? What liaison work are theyc’oirg there' ? 1 can assure this House that this is the only unit of the five units where jou get the fullest cooperation from the workers. 1 hope Another thing : a couple of years back, the Minister will not deny that. This strike a material called Paper Podric was ordered took place because the management refused by the Hindustan Newsprint Corporation to give bonus to the workers to which they from a firm in Gwalior in Madhya Pradesh, w'erc entitled. Sirce this factory started and the concern made the ftpplies. But ti"e production in 1982 four years have elapsed Paper Machine Department fi und that it and the legitimate demand of the workers had a high carbon content, and so it was for bonus for 20 days has not been accep- not useful for the company’s purpose. They ted; and the factory was ck sed : and ] decided that the company should not pur- think by the intervention of the Minister and chase this item. But suddenly the proprietors all that, this strike was called off. J do not or the concerned persons in the firm in know what sort of management technique Madhya Pradesh paid a visit to the they are adopting to push the workers to go company’s premises, and niet the officers on strike. concerned, and the decision vvas reversed, and the company decided to buy the whole As far as my limited understanding goes, supplies, w'hereas the technical department out of the five unirs, the unit in Nagaland of the company has specifically recommended has incurred the heaviest loss. I dont know that they should not buy the supplies frc m whether the Minister has made any Personal the Madhya Pradesh fiim. enquiry about the unit in Nagaland. What has happened there ? The astonishing thing Now about tours. The officers of the is that while the private paper mills all over company undertake tours often. It is a bit the country are makinp huge profit, this difficult for me to sw'allow the explanation preetigeous public undertaking, this pres- that these tours are urderiaken to serve tigous public enterprise under the control company’s purposes. Frequently, the top of the Government of India has been incur- executives of the company are on tour— 1 do ring huge losses day by day. I have full not know for what purpose, or what they confidence in the Minister’s administrative are doing, what service they are rendering capability, his honesty and all that. I requ- by undertaking these tours—whereas the’y est them to order a high level enquiry into 319 H AM . Dis. NOVEMBER 12, 1986 H.A.H. Dis. 320

[Shri Suresh Kurup] * them under the carpet. Necessary action was immediately initiated. the day-to-day functioning of these units, especially the unit at Kerala where highhan- About the points he has raised, I think I dedness of the high executives is going on. must take them up point by point. The first My only demand is that the Hon. Minister point raised by him regarding mismanagement should order an high level enquiry into the is not correct. Hindustan News-Print Limited functioning of these five units and the reason Kottayam cannot be called a mismanaged for incurring huge losses where they are unit. It was commissioned in 1982 and incurring huge losses and go into details and since then its capacity utilisation has been find out the culprit. one of the highest. It has been 80 per cent all along, in 1985-86 it went up to 98 per THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE cent. But because of certain in-built dis- DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC ENTER- advantages the unit continued to suffer PRISES IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- losses, but progressively the level of losses TRY (PROF. K. K. TEWARY) : Mr, has been brought down considerably. I will Deputy Speaker, Sir, my friend, Shri Suresh quote the figures, and the reasons why Kurup, has raised certain points regarding losses have taken place in spite of the fact Hindustan Paper Corporation particularly that tbe capacity utilisation has been of a the Hindustan Newsprint Unit. It is a fact very high order. The reasons are well-known that because of certain reasons—many of to Mr Kurup himself. In the first instance the reasons he himself has quoted like power cuts exercised by the State Govern- locational disadvantage, non-availability of ments in all these units unfortunately is the raw materials, lack of infrastructure in the main reason why production has gone down. areas, where these units are located; for Then, the availability of raw material in Kottayam unit also was a problem. The 17.47 hr s. raw materials are basically bamboos and reeds, and they were to be made available [SHRI SHARAD DIGHE in the Chair] to the unit by the State Government as per the terms of the agreement of 1974. But example, in Nagaland there is one unit; the required quantity of reeds and other there are two units in Assam—this Hindustan raw material namely bamboo, were not Paper Corporation has suffered losses; and made availab'e. However, in recent months, we have tried to identify the areas where we have had discussions with the State efforts on the part of the government are Government authorities, the Chief Minister needed;, and we are maximising our efforts himself and he has taken keen interest in so that those losses are brought down. the matter and the original area, forest area allocated for extraction of reeds, which is the basic material and cheap one—reeds The mentioned about the Nagaland unit. and bomboos—has been extended and We have had two sets of meetings with the recently the level of reeds and brmboos has Chief Minister and the concerned officials gone up because that is cheaper. So in this there, and steps have been taken, and some atea also we have taken steps. are in the process of being taken, for making infrastructural facilities available The second raw material, is eucalyptus— and also to eusure availability of raw herb. That also, initially the State Govern- material from captive forests to the Nagaland ment had promised to give us, to plant unit. eucalyptus trees in an area of '/000 hectares. Then another 6,000 hectares were to be So far as the Kottayam unit is concerned, added to it. Unfortunately, only 2,000 from time to time we have been receiving hectares had shown some promise and with complaints, complaints from the labour the commissioning of semi-mechanical pulp unions and also Members of Parliament, plants, I am sure, the capacity of pulp specially Mr. Kurup and Prof. Thomas. We production will substantially go up There- have received complaints from them and fore, any apprehension or allegation that whenever the complaints have been brought ihe Company has been mismanaging, I am to our notice we have not tried to brush sure, is not correct. Of course, Mr. Kurup !s a very reasonable member and takes up PROF. K. K. TEWARY : If officers popular causes and whenever he mentions are involved anywhere, they will not be such matters to us wo immediately pay spared. adequate attention to his views and the facts which he brings to our notice. He will agree DR, DATTA SAMANT : All new units with me that in the course of these three in paper having new machinery that have years the financial performance of the come u’p in the last four years, are making company has shown improvement. It cannot good profits. But if this unit is making loss, be faulted on any account as is borne out it is due to mismanagement and corruption by the following facts. The net loss suffered of your officers. by the company during 1982-83 was Rs. 4.62 crores, in 1983-84 it was SHRI J. VENGAL A RAO (Khammam) : Rs. 10.73 crores, in 1984-85 it was In paper industry almost all the units are Rs. 8.66 crores and in 1985-86 it has been losing Now the paper industry is in a very brought down to Rs. 99 lakhs. So, the financial performance is showing up and bad shape. progressively losses are being reduced. This shows that on the financial front the PROF. K. K. TEWARY : I am sorry company is responding to the challenges. to say that if there are units which are We all know the causes as to why finan- making profits in spite of Mr. Datta Samant’s cial losses take place. This has linkage. association, the credit goes to the units and This also shows that in terms of supply of not to him. raw material, which was one of the biggest reasons for losses, definite and visible DR. DATTA SAMANT : Before improvements have taken place. Therefore, ansewering in the House, you should siudy the loss level has gone down. If Hon. all the situation. These are the usual answers Member wants me to quote further figures you are giving. I am prepared to give. He has some mis* conception about the supply of raw PROF. K. K. TEWARY : I have studi- materials. Well, if raw material is locally ed, therefore, I am replying point-wise. available, then the company has no necessity, no compulsion to go outside the State. But MR. CHAIRMAN : Mr. Datta Samant, it was noticed that there was a pernTcious you are not a party to this Half-an*Hour tendency on the part of suppliers to form discussion, so, please don’t interrupt. cartels. We want to reduce dependence of the company on private sources for supplying PROF. K. K. TEWARY : So, Sir, these raw materials. That is why, we are maximis- tendency was to form cartels and then force ing our effort to get the Government of the company to acctpt the supplies of Kerala agree to its role in supply of raw reeds ...(Interruptions). Please listen to me. materials like reeds, bamboos and eucalyptus ] am giving you the facts and figures. Why trees. For example, for eucalyptus trees,^ do you lose your patience ? For example, recently a proposal has been floated jointly we had to go to Assam for bamboos. Why ? by the Hindustan Paper Corporation and The local contractors formed a cartel and Kerala Government for planting of eucalyp- they were supplying bamboos to the company tus trees on a large scale so that the basic at tbe rate of Rs. 1,200 per tonne and now raw material is always abundant in supply the landed cost from Assam, including and we have no chance of depending on transport, has been reduced to Rs. 750 per private suppliers. It has been brought to tonne. Similarly, he has referred to other our notice-—I will request Mr. Kurup as 1 be- things. I am coming to them point-wise. lieve that he is an objective person, he will The first is management. There might have have an objective look at it, to find out— been lapses here1 and there and we are that there was a tendency on the part of prepared to look into the lapses but on the local contractors to form cartles for supply- whole, the management cannot be blamed ing these raw materials. They were forcing because factors like power supply, industrial the company to accept their terms. unrest in the unit and exherbitant costs of raw materials were all responsible, they all DR. DATTA SAMANT (Bombay South added to the losses. But, on the whole, as Central); Vour officers are involved. you will agree with me, Sir, consequent 323 H.A.H. Dis. NOVEMBER 12, 1986 H.A.H. Dis. 324

[Prof. K. K. Tewary] Shri Kurup raised certain other points. I am happy that he has brought out all these things. Burnt stone lime, burnt shell lime—■ upon the increase in reed extraction, procure- supplies were made available locally also but ment of pulp from the open market, as well at certain stage it started coming in trickle. as the cost involved in it, was correspond- Ultimately it stopped. So, on emergency ingly reduced. We were using 40,000 metric basis we took supplies from Tamilnadu, tonnes of bamboo in 1984-85, we have Andhra and Madhya Pradesh also. To say brought it down to 21,003 metric tonnes that we have not depended on such supplies only. The cost has gone down from from neighbouring States is not based on Rs. 1200 per tonne to Rs. 750 per tonne. facts. Similarly, with regard to in-house pulp production, we are developing our capacity About the retired IAS officer I may men- for the company to be on its own kgs in tion that he was deputed to the Company terms of production of raw material. We when he had not retired from service. He are trying to reduce our dependence on was in the active service of the Kerala imported pulp and that is why the in-house Government. He was then deputed to the pulp production has increased through better Company because we needed constant inter- management. In 1984-85, the in-house action with the local Government for exam- pulp production was 46,037 tonnes and ple supply of raw materials. Then on the now in 1985-86 it has gore up to 69.000. local river, check dam had to be constructed Similarly, our dependence on imported pulp by the State Government. So far it has not has been reduced. In 1983*84, the imported been done. There are hundreds of problems pulp content was 4G per cent, in 1984-85 for which the Company is dependent on the we brought it down to 26 per cent. In local Government. It happens every where. 1985-86 we have brought down this Shri Vishw-anath Nayar, an experienced imported pulp content in our raw material officer had good contacts with the Govern- to 6 per cent only. A comparison inciden- ment. He continued even after his superan- tally would be very apt here. Mysore Paper nuation. To tbe best of my information and Mills Ltd. and Tamil Nadu Newsprint & knowledge there are no charges of corruption Paper Ltd, are also operating in the State against Shri Nayar. But objection was taken sector. Their imported pulp content is for his continuance even after his superan- around 35 Jo 40 per cent whereas we have nuation. After superannuation he was retain- reduced it to 6 per cent. This shows better ed only on a fixed salary of Rs. 1500/- management, husbanding of the resources, First it was Rs. 1000/- and then it was careful scrutiny of all the aspects involved. raised to Rs. 1500/-. Since there was a lot That is why on the front of material of opposition including from my friend Shri management, supply of raw materials, Kurup, his services have been dispensed financial performance, there have been with. He is no longer with the company. visible changes as are borne out by facts and About the charge that he is still retaining a figures.. (Interruptions). They will make car and enjoying other facilities, that is not profit progressively. As 1 said, our depen- true, Mr. Kurup. You will kindly verify. dence on these intractable factors of supply The car has been withdrawn and the tele- of raw material has reduced, and now on phone bill which was outstanding, he has power also. There was acute shortage of paid himself. These charges I think, he .will power, as you will kindly recall. There has consider and withdraw. been acute power shortage since 1982. Only recently, in a couple of months power supply Supply of chemicals—of course, certain has been made available by the Electricity irregularities have been noticed and the Board. But the rate of power has gone up. matter went up to the Board level. It cannot The enhanced rate of power alone is going be said that it was with the management or to cost us Rs. 4 crores. To counter this we the Government and we tried to brush it have installed Turbo-Generator sets and we under the carpet or tried to white wash it. are tTying to be less dependent. But full Towards the end of 1985 this matter was tims power supply cannot be replaced brought to the notice of the Board and entirely by the captive power generation in immediately the Vigilance Officer of tbe the unit. Company concerned held extended enquiries 325 H.A.H. Dis. KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) H.a M . Dis. 32to into all the aspects by the then acting Chief for indulging in violence and causing damage Excutive who has since been transferred to to the property of the Company. Mandia Unit in Karnataka. This was considered by the Board and the Board with his About the bonus issue, Mr. Kurup has recommendations have sent the matter to the raised tbe bonus issue. He knows that this Government. I promise that the Government matter came up and while negotiations were has no intention to hide anything or to going on we had approached the State condone corruption or. mis-management. Government authorities. 1 personally spoke The matter has come to us. It has been to the Chief Minister himself when the brought to the notice of the Government. threatened strike was to be launched, and I We are looking into all the aspects of it and requested him to please make his good offices expeditious action wiil be taken if the officer available to the management and to the is found really guilty. employees as well and let us have a settlement without any strike because this strike Then, Sir, about the unfortunate acci- has caused us a great loss. We have lost 4000 dent that took place, immediately the ambu- tonnes of production during the short period ienee in the factory premises was out of of this strike. Therefore, this strike was order, but officers of the Company took care unnecessary as negotiations were proceeding. of him. He was injured and so immediately However, 1 must lell you that strictly speak- transported to the nearest hospital and he ing the employees are not entitled to bonus was looked after well and money was also under the Bonus Act for the five year period. made available to him by the management Even then the management with the media- for his proper treatment, but unfortunately tion of the Chief Minister and the Labour the wounds proved serious and he expired. Minister and labour authorities of Kerala The management had no hand in it and Government agree to pay them Rs. 750 each accidents take place unfortunately as they as advance and these advances are to be do. But they do take place... adjusted against a settled production incentive on which the employees have agreed SHRI SURESH KURUP : They are and a certain formula about the production supposed to take sufficient’ precaution. At incentive is being worked out in consultation leaBt one ambulence should be ready at tbe with the Bureau of Public Enterprises. factory premises as it is such a big factory Therefore, this bonus issue has also been and workers are always prone to accidents. agreed upon. There i3 no cause for any complaint. All that I would request Mr. MR. CHAIRMAN : You have already Kurup is that this good offices and also made the point. those of other representatives from the area should be available. PROF. K. K. TEWARY : Unfortunately, Sir, on that day the ambulence happened to SHRI HARISH RAWAT (Almora) : be out of order, but other vehicles, i.e., a Datta Samant also. jeep and a car, were available and the injured employee was transported to tne hospital PROF. K. K. TEWARY : Mr. Datta immediately. Samant is not very welcome...{Interruptions). You know, the Government has never protected all those who have been found guilty. SHRI SURESH KURUP: No vehicle was available. Not a single vehicle was available. {Interruptions)

PROF K. K. TEWARY : It was available. DR. DATTA SAMANT : With so much He was transported immediately to the production it must go in profit. hospital. And, Sir, after that some incidents took place, incidents of violence PROF. K. K. TEWARY : Of course, and indiscipline. Officers were subjected those unions are also under close scrutiny of to abuses and violence which was most the Government and we arc taking steps... unwarranted and not necessary at all. For that, disciplinary action has been taken MR, CHAIRMAN : You may reply to against some persons who wire responsible Mr. Kurup’s arguments, but not others. 327 H.A.H. Dis. NOVEMBER 12, 1986 H.A.H. Dis. 328

PROF. K. K. TEWARY : Mr. Kurup. reply which we have received from the my good friend, will agree with me that what Minister is not satisfactory, I would like to we do there is very good and capacity utili- say, Sir, especially during those years when sation has been steadily going up Fori 986- the private units were making huge profits 87, our expectation was thut we will be and at a time when our country is importing utilising 100 per cent of the installed capa- tens of crores of rupees worth of Pulp and city, that is, 80,000 tonnes. But, because of* wastepaper from abroad that these losses this unfortunate strike and perpetual power should occur to the Hindustan Paper Corpo- cuts, there have been set-backs. But we are ration. I would like to bring to the notice trying our level best and it is good that Mr. of the Minister that-recently in Tamil Nadu, Kurup has brought this matter and highligh- one sugar factory was established with the ted the issues concerned. We are looking into main objective of getting bogasse to manu- all the relevant aspects of it and I can assure facture paper which is the main product him that this unit will make a steady pro- while sugar and alcohol are by-products. In gress and in coming years, we will wiping out these circumstanccs, it is very strange that all the losses and will definitely jump into a the Mandya Paper Mill which was taken steady progress and profits, profitability, and over by the Hindustan Paper Corporation, operational efficiency will be improved. I should incur loss, (a) I would like to have a thank you. I think, it would have satisfied clarification from the Hon. Minister what are Mr. Kurup. the steps taken to pool up bogasse from sugar factories in Karnataka and Tamil [Translation] Nadu for the Mandia Paper Mills ? SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER MIN (Barmer) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, I would like (b) May I know, whether uninterrupted to ask some questions in this regard. power supplies to these units have been According to the answer given by the Hon. ensured by the State Government ? Minister, in *1983-84 there was a loss of Rs. 30."77 crores, in 1984-85 it was Rs. (c) Prospective plans for raising bamboo 34.27 crores and in 1985-86 the loss is and reeds which are necessary for these units reported to be of the order of Rs. 51.67 have been taken care. What is the action crores In this way, the loss has been going taken on the officers responsible for selection on increasing continuously. I admit that of wrong place for setting up these factories mis-management is one of the reasons which and also who are responsible for the unsatis- you have mentioned. You have only furnish- factory functioning and ultimately resulting ed figures regarding the losses in these years, in the losses of these units which are of a but you should also furnish the data of the precious type. production in these years, so that one could compare them properly. Is there any unit, [Translation] amongst the units working under the Hindustan Paper Corporation, which is run- SHRI HARISH RAWAT (Almora) : Mr. ning in profit and how many units are sick Crauman, Sir* with due respect to the out of the units which had you had h.indcd commitment made by Shri Tewary regarding over to this corporation. Please ai o inform it e i ublic Undertakings I would like to us about the States which have caused a loss subn.it that despite his long and intelligent to these units by imposing a power cut on spccch, he has not been able to cover up the these units,. because generally the State functioning of the Hindustan Paper Mills as Governments do not impose power cut on also losses incurred by it, during the last the Public Undertakings and the States five years. Whatever you said here, should adopt a favourable attitude towards them. be taken by us in such a form that may lead You should also through light on it. In the to an improvement in its functioning. The last, what infrastructural facilities have you losses of Hindustan Paper Corporation, provided to these units. according to me can be put under two categories; first of all the State Governments, [English] ■ are constantly increasing the cost of raw SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA materials and secondly they are also RAO (Vijayawada) : Mr, Chairman, Sir, the increasing the Power tariff. First of all, 329 H.A.H. Dis, KARTIKA 21, 1908 (SAKA) H.A.H. Dis. 330

the State Governments should be asked of Hindustan Paper Corporation is locational not to do so and the Centre should contact disadvantages. As our Hon. Minister has the State Governments to ensure the supply said there is a temporary shortage of raw of raw material and maintaining the power material. As far as I understand this shor- tariff at a constant level. Secondly, mis- tage is perpetual for the Kerala unit. I want management is also responsible for the losses. to know who was responsible for preparing It is not a fact that no official or senior level the project report and how did the Govern- officer is ready to go to your unit in ment take a decision to instal this news print Nagaland. Whosoever, officer is posted there, factory in Kerala. Shall I tell you some- he tries to spend his most of the time in thing ? The losses are coming down in Kerala Delhi itself. Is it not a fact that the number News Print Factory, not because of manage- of the officers who have to supervise the rial efficiency 'but because of the arbitrary functioning of the units in remote areas, is price of news print about which, the news- negligible and is it also not a fact, that a paper industry has been clamouring, has been C. B. I. enquiry or any other enquiries are protesting all these years. The Government being conducted against most of the senior has been increasing the price of newsprint officers of the units situated in the remote and by that method, ycu are showing that places. If this is a fact, then the tendency of the loss is coming down. We are burning providing protection to the corrupt officials, precious foreign exchange on the import of instead of punishing them would totally ruin newsprint on the one hand and on the other us. Therefore, I request you that keeping in hand our newsprint factories are showing loss. view these two points, first we should have This is a baffling situation. Again, there is a a consultation with the State Governments very important thing... and secondly, in order to improve the situation time bound measures should be taken so MR. CHAIRMAN : You ask whether it that the management of the Hindustan Paper is true.m Corporation could be improved and the losses could be reduced. DR. G. S. RAJHANS : Please bear with me for a minute. There is a baffling situation. Here, I would also like to draw the There is a very important unit of Hindustan attention of the Hon. Minister towards an Paper Corporation at Nowgaon in Assam. important point. With a view to cover up the You will be surprised to know and this will present losses the Hindustan Paper Corpora- come as a shock to everybody. Lime, which tion is not supplying the levy paper to the is one of the most important raw-materials, States from which the quota to the States is the chemical which is used for the manufac- allotted and other private mills are also ture of pulp and paper, is not at all available following the same practice. The Conse- there. Who prepared the project report and quences of which are being faced by- our poor how did tbe Government take a decision students who are given exercise books to be to set up the factory there ? So, I want to manufactured out of this levy paper. There- know as to how these locational disadvantages fore, I would like to submit that as you are had been discovered now. When these facto- an efficient man and you are capable of re- ries were installed, were these disadvantages forming the private mills also. 1 request you taken into consideration ? There is another that you should ask the mills to supply the thing. Will the over-all loss of Hindustan quantity of paper which is allotted to the Paper Corporation be wiped out ? Will the States, so that the State Governments can Hindustan Paper Corporation, as a whole, allot this paper in time to private manufac- ever be made viable ? turers and the quota allotted by you can be utilized in a proper manner. MR. CHAIRMAN : Mr. Hon. Minister.

[English] PROF. K. K. TEWARY : Sir, many questions have been raised. Subsequently, I DR. G. S. RAJHANS (Jhanjharpur): have been asked to be brief and precise. I Shri J. Vengala Rao had replied the main will be brief. Hindustan Paper Corporation question and he said with disarming frank- are not—as I said in the beginning, I am not ness that one of the reasons for the losses trying to defend anything, which is indefcn- 331 H.AM . Dis. NOVEMBER 12, 1986 Papers Laid 332 sible. The facts are before the House. So far Chandra Jain and my friend on the other as the locational disadvantages are concerned, side, we will keep all these suggestions which and tbe query as to why these units were have been given in our view. I assure you, established in those areas, you will agree with wc are going all out to improve the condition me in this matter that after taking all the of the Hindustan Paper Corporation because factors into consideration, a public sector we have sunk tonnes of money into it; we unit is established. The commitment of the have sunk more than Rs. 800 crores into Government is also to promote backward the Hindustan Paper Corporation. So, it will areas and to make such factories viable so be one of the priority items on our agenda, that infrastructure could be built and this and I assure you that we will do our level could add to the development of the back- test to improve its working and functioning. ward economy in those areas. It will also If ihere is any mismanagement, you are all generate sufficient employment. These are free to point out I invite )ou : if there is broad national objectives and the public any instance of mismanagement or corrup- sector—this also 1 must repeat—cannot just tion, please brirg it to our notice, to the be judged in terms of definable and quamifi- DOtice of the Government, and we will take able profits. Because, it has certain social the seveiesl pcsbifcle action. We will not and regional obligations also. So, when condone any case of corruption or mis- Hindustan Paper Corporation units were management. established, I care was taken to establish them in such far-flung areas like Nagaland — I agree that because of the lack of infras- 18.26 hrs. tructure and also because of inadequate supply of raw-material and such other dis- PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE— Contd, advantages, many people do not want to go [English] to Nagaland. But tell me, Dr. Rajhans, how many people from Delhi, those who are Notification under Customs Act, 1962 officers and doctors for example, who are posted in rural areas, how many of them are THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE willing to leave the urban centres and go and MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY serve the people or discharge their duties in AFFAIRS (SHRIMATI SHEILA D1KSHH): the rural areas ? That will not detract us On til alf of Sfcii Janardhana Poojaiy, I beg from our commitment to promote the deve- to lay cn Table a copy of Notification No. lopment of areas which need development. 459/86 Customs (Hindi and English versions) We might have lost a few crores of rupees. pubJi&hed in Gazette of India dated the 12th That is all right. We have incurred loss. November, 1986, together with an expla- But the fact is that the Government’s commit- natory memorandum making certain amendment to develop Nagaland, for example to ments to Notification No. 62/8 5-Customs develop Assam or to develop any backward dated the 17th March, 1985, so as to regions of Kerala or any State for that prescribe basic customs duty of ten per cent matter, is of utmost importance. Afterall, pn wood sawn or chipped lengthwise, sliced who will shoulder the responsibility, if or peeled whether or not planed, sanded or Government does not do it ? Therefore, the finger-jointed of a thickness exceeding 25.4 Government cannot be held at fault and 1 mm (1 inch), under section 159 of the think you will agree that we are committed Customs Act, 1962. to the balanced regional growth. That is one [Placed in Library. See No. LT-3192/86]. of the major commitments of the Govern- ment. And it is because of this neglect that MR. CHAIRMAN : The House stands many regional problems are now getting adjourned to reassemble tomorrow at accentuated. Therefore, on this score, the 11.00 a m. Hon. Members will agree with me it was 18.27 hrs. done to meet the commitment of the Govern- f ment. The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Eleven o f the Clock on Thursday, About the other suggestions given by my November 131 1986jKartika 22, friends, Shri Harish Rawat and Shri Vriddhi i908 (Saka)