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PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES
HOUSE OF THE PEOPLE OFFICIAL REPORT
(Part II—Proceedings(Part I -Questions other and than Answers Questions) and Answers)
CONTENTS
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PARLIAMENTARY DEBATESa*®-- (Part I— Questions and Answers) OfFICaAL REPORT
269 " 270 Bajknmari Amrit Kaur: There are HOUSE OF THE PEOPLE other methods, of course; but no su«* Wednesday, 2Sth May, 1952. gestions have been made to me. Jaiiab Amjad All: Can the hon. Minister tell us what are the chi^ The House met at ^ Quarter Past Eight features of this family planning? Does of the Clock. it include birth control? . [M r, Speaker in the Chair] Rajknmari Amrit Kaur: I’opulation MEMBERS SWORN planning, that is, spacing of families and limiting families, naturally comes Shri Nityanand Kanungo (Kendra- under the term "birth control**. para). Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: Will the hon. Shri Raj Bahadur (Jaipur-Sawai Minister be pleased to state whether Madhopur). there are any birth control clinics run by Government anywhere in India, and if so, what is their number? ORAL ANSWERS TO- QUESTIONS Rajknmari Amrit Kanr: There ar« Family Planning Scheme none. *227. Shri Velayudhan: WiU the Shrimati A. Kale: Is the Govern Minister of Health be pleased to state: ment aware that this particular rhythm method has been declared unsuitable (a) the progress made in the by Dr. Marie Stopes? Family Planning Scheme started by the Government of India; and Mr. Speaker: Order, order. We are (b) the number of experts working going into opinions. in the field? Dr. M. M. Das: May I know whe The Minister of Health (Rajknmari ther it is a fact that the Family Amrit Kaur): (a) Government have Planning Committee of the WJI.O. sanctioned the establishment of three came to the decision that this parti, centres: one in the Lady Hardinge cular item should be dropped from the Medical College, New Delhi; one m agenda, and if so, may I know whether the Lodi Colony. New Delhi and the the Government of India also proposes third at the Ramanagaram Health Unit to drop this item? in the Mysore State for conducting Rajknmari Amrit Kaur: No. Sir. pilot studies on the use of the ‘rhythm method* of family planning. Shri Namhiar: May I know to what extent ‘ the American experts can (b) Two women workers from advise us about Indian family planning? America have just arrived in the first instance for a period of one year. The Rajknmari Amrit Kanr: Well, Sir» United Nations Population Division experience anjnvhere can be utilised has also offered the services of a Demo in any country, according to local grapher to assist Dr. C. Chandra conditions. sekhar, Director of the U.N. Office of Help to Famine A reas in Population Studies who is incharge of Andhra Desa the Ramanagaram Centre. *228. Shri Velayndhan: Will the Shri Velasmdhan: May I know whe Minister of_ Food and Agricnltnre be ther any other method excepting the pleased to state: one that was mentioned here had been (a) the extent of Government of recommended by some exjterts from India’s help to the famine areas of England? Andhra Desa; and 55 PSD 271 Oral Answers 28 MAY 1952 Oral Answers 272
Mr. Speaker; He said that it is not legumes, at the Indian Agricul necessary to decide that, because goods tural Research Institute, New are excb^ged on barter basis. DelhL Dr. M. M. Das: May I know wh§t [Baba |Uiiuuu3 iyam SiBfli: Do the of wheat will suffer because of the Govenunoit fpri aoy necessily of failure of the London Conference launching any Grow More Grass cam which was held receijUy in order to paign similar to the Grow More Food review the International Wheat Agree campaign? If so, what steps are being ment? taken in this direction?] Shri Kteutfkar: No, Sir. Mr. Speaker. The question does not Shri Dabhi: What are the terms of relate to Grow More Food. It speci this International Wheat Agreement? fically relates to fodder supply. Shri Karmarkar: Under this agree Sbri S. V. Bamaswamy: May I know ment we are allotted a definite quantity whether Ihere is acute shortage of of wheat for import. For instance, in fodder in the Dharapuram taluq of the 1949-50 the guaranteed quantity was Coimbatore district as a result of 1 million 40 thousand tons; in 1950-51 which many of the fine breed of it was 15 hundred thousand tons; in Kangayam bulls have perished? 1951-52 and the following year it is the Shri Karmarkar: On both these same quantity. There is a ceiling points I shall find out the information. inice and floor price fixed for this. For instance the minimum price in the four years is 1.50, 1.40, 1.30 and 1.20 ^ ^»rT5T!fl«T dollars per bushel. Pandit Munishwar Datl Upadhyay: What are the countries that participated in the International Wheat Agreement? Shri Karmarkar: The wheat requir ing and the wheat consuming countries ^ ^ ’Tf f 3ftr ^ ^ take part in this Agreement. In regard to the exact name of the countries, I t • would require notice of it [Seth Govind Das: Have the Govern Dr. P. S. Deshmukfa: May I know the ment seen the press note of the Punjab price per ton of wheat that was paid Government in which it has been ad during each year? mitted that thousands of animals have perished in pissar, and w^ch also Shri Karmarkar: I should like to throws lig'it on the conditions ore- have notice of the question. vailing there at present.] Shri V. B. Gandhi: Is the price that Shri Karmarkar: Government is we have been paying for wheat im aware of the fact that a large number ported from the United States recently of cattle were abandoned by their higher than the price that we have to owners. Therefore, the Government pay under the International Wheat of India took speedy measures to establish concentration stations for Agreement? Would the Govetrnment such cattle to take oroper care of them. please give the two prices? About any loss of life I have no Shri Karmarkar: I cannot give the information on the point. price offhand of the wheat supplied International Wheat A greement to us under the Wheat Loan Agree ment. But about the wheat supplied *231. Dr. Bam Subhag Singh: WiU under the International Wheat Agree the Minister of Food and Agriculture ment, the prices were substan be pleased to state the total quantity tially lesser than the prices in the free of food grains imported from abroad market. imder the International Wheat Agree ment since this Agreement came into Loss OF Foodgrains by Pest and force? Plant Diseases Hie Deputy Minister of Commerce *232. Dr. Bam Subhag Singh: Will and Industry (Shri Karmark^): Since the Minister of Food and Agriculture the International Wheat Agreement be pleased to state the total per came into force on the 1st August centage of country’s foodgrains lost 1949 India has imtil 20th May 1952 annually by pest and plant diseases? imported a total quantity of 35-77 lakh metric tons of wheat under the agree The Deputy Minister of Commerce ment. and Industry (Shri Karmarkar): I fear an estimate of these losses is not at Dr. Ram Subhag Singfi: May I know, present possible. I am having examin Sir, whether our impoirt programme ed the possibility of sampling techniques 2TI Oral Answers 28 MAY 1952 Oral Answers 278 being evolved to assess such damage whether it would be feasible from the but the cost will of course be an financial point of view?] important consideration. Shri Karmarkar: Yes,. Sir, we have, Dr. Ram Sabhag Singh: May I know for instance a gas plant evolved by whether Government contemplate Mr. A. V. Joshi and Co. of Poona. The taking any action to control plant prices were fixed by the firm at Rs. diseases? 1,200 and Rs. 1,800 respectively for gas plants for a family of 2 and 4 Shri Karmarkar: As I said, a de persons respectively. tailed scheme is under consideration: obviously, it will be a matter of cost. COWDUNG *233. Shri M. L. DwlTedi: Will the Minister of Food and Agrlcnltare be TOT f 2TT OTRT WT TfT f ? StVt 3TIIT pleased to state: OTTZTT *rar I ?ft OT ^ (a) whether Government have taken any steps to conduct research ? into the possibilities of preparing cooking gas and fertiliser out of [Shii M. L. Dwivedi: Will the hon. cowdung as suggested by the Engine Minister be pleased to state whether ering Department of the U.S. Gov it is a fact that a plant has been ernment; and installed or is being installed at a place which is at a distance of about 12 miles (b) if so, with what results? * from Delhi? If so, for what purpose is it being used at present?] The Deputy Minister of Commerce and ladustry (Shri Karmafkar): (a) I Shri ELarmarkar: So far as I know am not aware that Engineering Depart an experimental plant is being com ment of the U.S. Government has pleted by the manufacturers at made any suggestions about this. Re Shamilpur, in the Delhi State, for search on the subject has been con testing it under field conditions. ducted at the Indian Agricultural Research Institute, New Delhi, since New Delhi Railway Station 1940. •234. Shri M. L. Dwivedi: Will the (b) The results of the experiments Minister of Railways be pleased to , conducted with a simple demonstration state: plant show that cow-dung produced by (a) whether any decision has been 4 or 5 animals (about 130-150 lbs. taken to remodel the Railway station daily) will yield about 70-80 cubic feet of New Delhi; and of combustible gas oer day. The (b) if so, when the proposal Is residual material does not lose the likely to materialise? manurial value and also produces annually about 3 tons of dried sludge containing about 1-5 per cent nitrogen. The Minister of Railways and Trans The gas is sufficient to meet the daily port (Shri L. B. Shastri): (a) Yes. cooking requirements of an average family, . (b) The work is proposed to be taken in hand shortly and it will be com pleted during 1953-54. The question of setting up and operating a bigger plant at the Insti : W^T ifppfiir tute for testing the economics of gas production is under consideration. wm w^fhT [Shri M. L. Dwivedi: Will the hon. iftT w arrfiTv ^ ^ Minister be pleased to state what would be the cost of remodelling of the ? New Delhi Railway Station?] [Shri M. L. Dwiyedi: Will the hon. Minister be pleased to state the cost of installation of such a plant, and also I 279 Oral Answers 28 MAY 1952 Oral Answers 280 [Shri L. B. Shastii: About Rupees view their difficulties, special arrange 51 lakhs.] ments would be made at the new Station. Special attention would be paid to see that passengers travelling in the third or inter class are provided with decent waiting rooms and other f\ sTOTi, faciUties.] ^ ? [Shri M. L. Dwivedi: After the Railway Station is ready for use what ^ f f e sort of amenities would be available to the passengers, more especially to the passengers of the third class?] ^ t ? ^ 5IT^ : ^ [Shri M. L. Dwivedi: Will the hon. Minister be pleased to state whether ^^TTt ’TT ^ ^ ^ ^ the staff employed at the station would be increased after the new station is ^ «n? % built; if so, how much expenditure is likely to be incurred on this account?] “R ’T I WRifhT »TFT^ ^ ^ 5TFf STTF^ : 3pfl f ^ ^ ^ «rt sRmr % ^ f f ^ T !Tff 1 ^ apft ^ I ^ ^ t ^RTO ^ ^TFPrr I % ^ ^ 5“ % ?T2T ^T5y ark ^ 3TO [Shri L. B. Shastri: Full informa tion ott this point is not available as t 3T^r yet; and it is at present too difficult to say how much our expenditure ^ ’TT ^ ^ t would increase. But one thing is obvious that it would not increase 3TT^ f ^ much.] % ^ ^TRT ^ ? fwr ^t w i ^ ^ 9t41 ^ yfRft ^ vffPT^TT % 3ftr f % 3T^ fspFT % % ^ vYsnrt % w ^ 3ftr fW ^art^T i [Seth Govind Das: Would the trains [Shri L. B. Shastri: It is intended that are not entering the New Delhi to provide all possible amenities, such Station at present, especially those as passenger sheds, waiting halls etc. from Allahabad side, enter it after the which are not existing on such sta station is remodelled?] tions at present, to the passengers more especially tc those of the third class. The hon. Member knows that Mr. Speaker: I am afraid he is going the passengers who travel in ttiird at into too many details at this stage. present are subjected to lots of diflB- Let the station be constructed! culties. With a view to remove these diflQculties new waiting halls would be Shri B. S. Murthy: May I know constructed and better lavatory whether retiring rooms will be pro facilities etc. would also be provided. vided for third class passengers in Besides that, the tourists from abroad this station? who visit India, have to undergo a number of inconveniences at the Shri L. B. Shastri: I think it win Delhi Railway Station. Keeping in be considered. 281 Oral Answers 28 MAY 1952 Oral Answers 283 S p e c ia l C oiviplaints O rganisation (d) whether Government propose to place on the Table of the House «235. Sliri Hukam Singh: Will the a statement showing the particulars Minister of Communications be pleas of the Railwaymen discharged und«r ed to state: these Rules on all Railways in India and the reasons given against each (a) whether all the complaints carried over from the year 1950 could such discharge? be disposed of by the Special Com plaints Organisation during the year The Minister of Railways and Trans 1951; port (Shri L. B. Shastri): (a) The letter referred to does not appear to (b) if not, what is the number still have been received in the Ministry pending; and of Railways. . (c) what was the total number of (b) Does not arise. fresh complaints received during the year 1952 and what was the total (c) The position arising from the number pending on 31st March, 1952? judgment of the Madras High Court in the case of Mr. C. Sambandam The Minister of Communications versus the Union of mdia is under (Shri Jagjivan Ram): (a) No. com examination by the Government of plaint of 1950 or earlier years is under India. investigation by the Complaints Org^ nisation (d) Na (b) 273 on 31st March, 1952. Shri Nambiar: May I know how much more time U will take to examine (c) 296 complaints were received this, since the High Court Judgment from January to the end of March, has been delivered one year back? 1952, out of which 207 were pending on the ?lst March, 1952. Shri L. B. Shastri: It won*t take much time now. Shri Hukam Singh: Is the Organisa tion composed of officers drawn from Shri V. P. Nayar: May I know the Department itself or are they whether an appeal to the Supreme recruited from outside? Court in this case has become time- barred? Shii Jagjiyan Ram: They are drawn from both sources. Mr. Speaker: It is a matter of law and not an information peculiarly in Shri Pataskar: May I know what is the possession of the hon. Minister. the cost of the Special Complaints Organisation? Shri Nambiar: May I know whether the case of Mr. Sambandam will be Shi;i Jagjiyan Ram: I am afraid I considered as applicable to all cases have not got that figure with me. of a similar nature in India? R einstatement o f D is c h a r g e d Shri L. B. Shastri: At least the six R a i l w a y E m p l o y e e s cases of that State. *236 Shri Nambiar: Will the Shri Gurnpadaswamy: May I know Minister of Railways be pleased to how many peonle have been dis state: charged from the Mysore State Railway? (a) whether it is a fact that Mr. M. Kalyanasundaram M.L.A. (Madras), Mr. Speaker: Has he got the the President of ths South Indian information? Railway Labour Union has sent a letter dated 31st December, 1951 to Shri L. B. Shastri: No, Sir. the Ministry of Railways about re instatement of discharged Railway- F oo d P r o d u c t io n ( T a r g e t ) men under the Railway ‘ Services (Safeguarding of National Security •237. Shri S. N. Das: Will the Rules) (1949); Minister of Food and Agriculture he pleased to state: (b) if so, whether a copy of the same will be placed on the Table (a) whether the target of additional of the House; production of foodgrains fixed for 1951-52 has been achieved; (c) what action has been taken thereon specially after the judgment (b) if not, to what extent it fdl of the Madras High Court in the case short of the target; and of C. Sambandam Vs. Government of (c) what is the target fixed for the India; and year 1952-53? 283 Oral Answ^i 28 MAY 1952 Oral AnswetM 284 - The D c m itj Bitelster «f Commeroe Shri Karmarkar: No, Sir. a&d Indu^ry (SOiri Kamaikar): (a) and (b). Attention of the hon. Member Mr. Speaker. I can only give the is drawn to my answer in Parliament substance. His point is that Govern to part (a) of Starred Question No. ment state certain figures as additional 143 by Shri Balmiki on the 23rd May, production on account of the Grow 1952. More Food campaign. He wants to know whether they are gross figures (c) Thirteen lakh tons over the or whether they are decreased after production of the previous year. setting off the fall in thfi.--production Shri S. N. Das: May I know what in other areas on account of diversion is the quantity of foodgrains estimated of lands to other crops. , to have been adde^ to the total annual production due to the execution of the Shri Karmarkar: The ultimate result schemes under the Grow More Food is arrived at by addition and subtrac campaign? tion. But as a matter of fact what we get is the estimate of the increased Shri Karmarkar: I have mentioned production from the respecfive States. the target, but it will be some time To mention only an instance, during before we know the addition to the the year 1951-52, under Irrigation anijijal oroduction as a result of the Schemes what was meant to be Grow More Food schemes. reached was 95,184 acres but what was acutally reached was 43,424 acres. I Shri S. N. Das: I want to know fancy the results given by each State what is the addition to the annual will depend upon the acreage that is production of foodgrains due to the additionally cultivated as a result of completion of the various schemes the various schemes. But, as I said, under the Grow More Food campaign? the ultimate result will be by means of addition and subtraction. Shri Karmarkar: I thought I had answered the question. The addition Shri Hakam Singh: Is it a fact that to the Droduction of foodgrains would the actual production .in the country be judged after June 1952 after we has decreased as the campaign for have received all the reports. But Grow More Food has increased? the target, as I mentioned, is 13 lakh tons over the productioFk of the pre Shri vious year. Mr. Speaker: Order. order. The Shri S. N. Das: That is, the target question need not be answered. for this year. I wanted to know the total additional produdtion for all S u p p l y o f F o o d g r a i n s t o D e t i c i t these years A r e a s Shri Karmarkar: I would require notice for that. *238. Shri S. C. Samanta: Will the Minister of Food and Agricultiire be Shri S. N. Das: May I know whether pleased to state: as a result of the findings of the Com (a) the quantity of foodgrains im mittee appointed by the Government ported from foreign countries from to examine the working of the various January to April, 1952; and - Grow More Foed schemes, the various estimates made by the Government (b) the amount despatched by the regarding additional &od production Government of India to different have been found to be based on the deficit areas during the same period faulty assumptions and defective data? (area-wise and month-wise)? Shri Karmarkar: The Committee is The Deputy Miidsler of Commerce still Amctioning and has not yet and Industry (Shri Karmarkar): (a) submitted its report. 19 lakh tons. Shri T. N. Sinsft: Are Government (b) A statement .•jhowing the quan in a position to supply information tities of imported foodgrains despatched whether in respect of the figures of to various deficit areas during each of additional yield as assessed in the the 4 months January to April, 1952, areas of the Grow More Food cam- is placed on the Tafsle of the House. Daisn. allowance is made for the re [5ce Appendix II, annexure No. 5]. duction in certain other areas owing I should add, Sir, tlriat but of the total to diversion of food crops and then a 19 tons about 18,000 tons have balance is struck? been diverted to Pakistan. Air. Speaker: Is the question clear Shri S. C. Samanta: May I know to the hon. Minister. whether any quantity of foodgrains 286 Oral AuMvoers 28 MAY 1952 Oral Anxtoers 286 has been imported from Pakistan during that are proposed to be given in these lour months? 1952-53; and - Shri Sarmarkar: No. Sir. (c) jhow maJny pilots of different types are proposed to be trained Sbri S. C. Samanta: From the state through these clubs in the year 1952 ment 1 find that no food^ain was 53 ? ■ «ent to Madras in January. May I know the reason why nothin/? was The Minister of Commnnlcattons sent in ^pite of Madras being so much (Shri Jag^van Ram) (a) In 1947-48, there were 8 Flying Clubs, one Gliding deficit? Club and one Aero Club. Now, there Shri Karmarkar: I should like to are 12 Flying Clubs, two Gliding Clubs find out. and one Aero Club. Shri S. C. Samaata: May I know (b) In 1947-48, Rs. 6*9 lakhs to Fly whether the amount mentioned in the ing Clubs and Rs. 3,000 to GUding statement, namely 16,46,000 tons, was Clubs. all imported by international agree ment or by private arrangements also? In 1952-53, the proposed subsidy is— To Flying Clubs Rs. 12 34 lakhs. Shri Karmarkar: I think that there is no import of foodgrains by private To GUding Clubs Rs. 2-41 lakhs. arrangement. It is all by international To Aero Club Rs. 25,000. arrangement and arrangements by the Government of India. (c) 300 ‘A’ licence pilots, 50 ‘B’ licence pilots and 40 glider pilots of Shri Namdhari: In the matter of different categories are expected to be achieving success in the Grow More trained at these clubs during 1952-53. rood scheme, is not the difficulty more due to our having no rains or less Shri S. C. Samanta: May I know rains? what parts the flying clubs have played in training commercial pilots? Shri Karmarkar: I am very grateful Shri Jagjivan Bam: They have been to the hon. Member’s suggestion. The training persons, who are later on precise point is that we have to import trained commercial pilots as well. a greater amount of foodgrains in spite of the fact that we grow more Shri S. C. Samaata: May I know food, on account of reasons like famine what steps have been taken to create and the rest. interest and rouse enthusiasm in private persons, students and technical Shri Nambiar: May I know whether students in civil aviation? more food has been despatched to North Arcot district in South India in Shri Jagjivan Ram: These flying view of famine conditions existing clubs are being maintained, financed there toda/? and encouraged by Government with a view to afford easy facilities to these Shii Karmarkar: I cannot say about persons to take interest in flying. North Arcot particularly, but wherever there was scarcity grain has been Shri S. C. Samaata: The hon. Minister diverted. said that flying clubs and gliding clubs were spread over the country. Shri S. C. Samaata: May I know how May I know whether any central much was sent to industrial concerns? organization has been set up or Govern ment propose to set It up in the near Shri Karmgrkar: I can find out. future? But apart from the tea gardens I do not know whether industrial concerns Shri Jagjivaa Ram: For what purpose, are allotted . Sh-? Mr. Speaker: Just to co-ordinate and F l y i n g C l u b s organize. •239. Shri S. C. Samanta: Will the Shri JagJivaB Ram: Of course, the Minister of Commimicatioiis be Civil Aviation Department is doing pleased to state: that work. Shri T. S. A. CketHar: On what basis (a) the number of Flying Clubs, these grants are made? Gliding Clubs and Aero Clubs that existed in India in 1947-48 and the Shri Jagjlvaa Ram: They are pafd number of the same that exist at on the following scales: present (club-wise); (1) A fixed annual subsidy of (b) the subsidies given to those Rs. 30,000 pei club for meeting the clubs in 1947-48 and the subsidies standing charges of the club. 287 Oral Answers 28 MAY 1952 Oral Answers 28» (2) A sum of Rs. 5 p.m. of instruction (a), the number of train thefts and al riving (dual and solo by members of robberies committed in April, 1951 the club) flown by the club in excess of and April, 1952; and 1,000 hours per year at the head quarters aerodrome of the club or its (b) the steps taken to stop them? satellite aerodrome. The Minister of Railways and Trans (3) For each member of the club port (Shri L. B. Shastri): (a) The who, being an Indian national under number of train thefts and robberies 35 years of age tramed by the^lub committed in April 1952 was 849 as on aircraft belonging to the c i;^ or against 916 in April, 1951. loaned to it by the Central or State (b) Preventive measures taken in Governments, a bonus is paid as clude provision of window bars in follows;— upper class compartments and in lava tories of all classes, constant checking For private pilot’s licence (“ A” of safety catches in compartments, licence) Rs. 250. escorting of passenger and goods trains (4) An hourly bonus for flying m in areas notorious for thefts and respect of those members of the club robberies, improved rivetting of who are Indian Nationals and not more wagons and better watch and ward than 28 years of age at the following arrangements in stations and yards. rate, namely*— vh if : w ^ (i) on aircraft in 65/100 H.P. class 5TR ’tI ? Rs! 15 p.h. [Shri Balmiki: How many persons (u) on aircraft in 101/129 H.P. class have lost their lives on account of these Rs. 18 p.h. train dacoities?] (iii) on aircraft in 130/185 H. P. class Rs. 20 p.h. <5hii Jaipal Singh: What are the A JTff I special reasons that constram Govern- [Shri X: B. Shastri: I am unable to rnPTit to continue the subventions to give the exact figures in this connec- the flying clubs that are not in need ol tion.J it? ShTi Jasiivaa Ram: I do not think clubs which do not stand in oi a wr frr t ? them Rs. 30.000 is paid to all [Shri Balmiki:. Since when has the special police force been .deputed on just read out. these trains and how fir has this brought about an improvement in the situation?] to get job in the country as commercial pilots? qt^ ^ ^ lAiriiVaii Ram: I have no inlor- t ^ rhlrherTis"i^ar^A.^% lr^-r“ ^ |3TT ^ I 5^^^ C S a m a n t a : May I know ^ 5TO ^jaFTT s|ft ^ it is a fact that commercial ^ fjTf ^ «ff, aftt ^ ^ taeHvan Ram: I will look into fwHTT sfiT! OT ^ ^ th f^ m a ^ b e to r fT c a n say anything. ^ ^ ^ m I Thefts in Trains [Shri L. B. Shastri: The services of & d * t o the special police force are being pro vided for the last five years, and the state: 289 Oral Answers 2B MAY 1952 Oral Answers 290- situation has improved much on this account. Arrangements for deputing special police force were made after the year 1947 when too many accidents i i ^ and assaults on people were reported. For eliminating such incidents Railway (»T) ^ Protection Police was deputed. They did a lot of work and the incidents ^ ar^TiTR t ? soon stopped.] W e a t h e r R e s e a r c h O bservatories £*241. Shri Bafaniki: Will the Minister of Cominimioatioiis be pleas ed to state: % ^ f^i^T w m ^ ^ 1# % (a) how many Weather Research Observatories are being installed In 3? f^«TT t ? the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, and at what places; [Shri Jangde: Will the hon. Minister please state the amount of money that (b) how many of them are already has been paid by the Railway Depart ready; and ment as damages to the persons who lost their goods as a result of train (c) what is the estimated expendi thefts and robberies?] ture to be incurred on each of them?! The Minister of Commimicatioiis (Shri Jagjivan Bam): (a) Ten; sevea . ^ sidwlTf 5 surface observatories one each at Port Blair, Car Nicobar, Kundal, Nancowri, ^ 5# rft ^ Table Island, Maya Bunder and Long Island; two pilot balloon observatories ^rnr^TT i at Port Blair and Car Nicobar: and one Radio sonde observatory at Port [Shri L. B. Shastri: It is not possible Blair. to state the amount of money so paid, but if the hon. Member asks some (b) All except the pilot baUoon ob other question it would be answered.] servatory at Car Nicobar. (c) I lay on the Table a statement Jonab Amjad All: May I know the giving the information. chief modus operandi of these robber ies and thefts in the railway trains? STATEMENT Mr. Speaker: Order, order. It will be too long an answer and it is not in The estimated expenditure in aettinff the public interest to give it up and operating each of the Dr. S. P. Mookerjee: May I know different ype« of observatories is:— in how many cases were the offenders caught, tried and convicted? Non-recurring Recurring Shri L. B. Shastri: I cannot give the exact number, but perhaps in a very large number of cases persons have Ra. Rs. been caught and convicted. Surface observatory 1,600 1,700 Mr. Speaker: We will go to the next question. Pilot balloon obs?rvatory 5,600 31,600 BedJo sonde observatory 6,000 35,00 0 w snnr ( ^ ) afhc ^ ^1 * ^5y;rr I , 'TC ? [Shri Balmiki: Do the Government intend to open more such observatories in the country; if so, at what places?! Ofal AitsiD€fs 28 MAY 1932 Oral A nswers 292 (b) 5'4 million tons. (c) Complete accounts of payments A iTc^ ^ t afk 3T«fl made have not yet been received but on the basis of information available, the cost is likely to be about 254*7 . % 1 1 crores of rupees. [Shri Jagjivan Run: Such observa ^ VFnfhr tories are already existing in the country; and the Government have no 3TR proposal before them for increasing “their number at present.] 3T^5T ^ ^ % 3R^IT fm SPTT I ? f>T 3TT^Rr [Shri Balmiki: Will the hon. Minister ^ WfPB ?WT be pleased to state the price per maund of foodgrains, imported from abroad, country-wise?] Shri Karmarkar: I have not got the { ^ ) \V\\ % ^ ? w ^ information ready at hand. If the hon. Member puts down a question, I +M ^ ^TTT^ shall give the answer. % inrnfT w ; Shri A. M. Thomas: May I know whether there has been a complaint that certain deficit States are having (^) ^ ^ f«RR ^rrar^ ^ their quota mostly from imported foodgrains and that they have to pay ’ 3TTin^ fWT ^ r ; ^ a higher price, and that they are not allowed a proportionate quantity from (^T) ^ % ^rsr?JT locally procured foodgrains? Shri Karmarkar: Distribution inland, IPTH % ^Kd ?T?3iTT ^ I am afraid, does not arise out of this f^ T ^«rr ^ ^PXFH q?T «TT ? question. If it does, I want notice. Shri T. N. Singh: May I know the I m p o r t o f F o o d g r a i n s quantity of rice imported from Burma and Thailand as compared with the [*242. Shri Bahniki; Will the previous year? Does it show an im Minister of Food and Agriculture be provement? How do the prices com pleased to state: pare with the prices paid last year? (a) from what countries foodgrains were imported in India during the Shri Karmarkar: I have the figures period from May, 1951 to May, 1952; for actual import of rice from Burma and Thailand. From Burma, the (b) what quantity of foodgrains quantity is 349,861 tons. The price was imported during the said oeriod; paid was Rs. 20,75,07,664. From Thai and land. the quantity is 188,559 tons and (c) what expenditure the Govern the price paid was Rs. 10,71,27,771. As ment of India had to incur in imports to how these compare with the last ing the foodgrains from foreign year, I should like to have notice. countries during the said period?] Shri M. L. Dwivedi: May I know if The IX^nty Minister of Commerce the prices of the imported foodgrains and Industry (Shri Karmaikar): (a) were lower or higher than the prices of During the 12 months May, 1951 to the foodgrains available in this April, 1952 foodgrains were imported country? iro^jpi:— Shri Karmatkar: I think my hon. (1) Australia. friend knows that the average price of (2) U.SA. imported foodgrains is higher than the (3) Canada. In^an prices. (4) Argentine. (5) Russia. Shri M. L. Dwivedi: If the prices are (6) Burma. higher, may I know why the Govern (7) Thailand. ment do not propose to increase the prices of foodgrains here? (%' K a n d <10) Pakistan. Mr. Speaker: Order, order. 293 Oral Answers 28 MAY 1952 Oral Answers 2B4: Dr. & P. Mookefioe: Does this figure. years, it was 1*5 millicm,— forget the 254-7 crores. include shipping charges figure. and other costs? Shri T. S. A. Chettiar: May I know Shri Karmarkar: I should think so; whether the price that we pay for but I should like to have notice. wheat or rice is the same from all countries? Mr. Speaker: Mr. R. K. Chaudhuri. But, ^ e hon. Member did not keep Shri Kamarfcar: I think the prices standing. vary; I have no definite information. Shri R. K. Chaadhnry: I am invisible. Pandit Monishwar Datt Upadhyay: Is there any proposal to extend the Mr. Speaker: Even while he is sitting, period of the Agreement beyond 1953? he is perfectly visible. SOui Karmarkar: We have indicated Shri R. K. Chaadhiiry: May I know our desire to have the Agreement re il the quota of Burma rice which was newed for another period of four years hitherto known as the Rangoon rice has at the current maximum and minimum improved in recent years? It was full prices and the same guaranteed quan of stones before. tity of 1*5 metric tons. Shri Karmarkar: I should like to Shri Gnmpadaswamy: May I know have notice. ' whether it is a fact that many people W o r l d W h e a t C o u n c i l are not taking their ration of wheat because of its inferior quality? , *243. Pandit Mimishwar Datt Upadhyay: (a) Will the Minister of Shri Karmarkar: I know off-handr Food and Afrricultare be pleased to but it does not arise out of this ques state what is the quantity of wheat that tion. . India purchases annually under the Shri Jhnnjhunwala: What is the existing agreement of the World Wheat difference in price between imported Council? wheat and wheat procured in India andl (b) What is the duration of the the control rate in India? Agreement and is the quantity pro Mr. Speaker. Control rates for pro posed to be increased for the current curement? and future years? The Deputy Minister of Commei€e Shri Jhunjhunwala: Yes. and Industry (Shri Karmarkar): (a) India’s present guaranteed quota under Shri Karmarkar: Broadly I can say the International Wheat Agreement is that the price of imported wheat is 1*5 million metric tons per year. The higher than inland wheat and the year under the agreement is from st control rate is somewhere between the 1 two. Off-hand, I could not give the August to 31st July. precise figures regarding the three (b) The duration of the agreement varieties. is four years viz., from August, 1949 to July, 1953. It is not proposed to ask Shri B. S. Mnrthy: May I know how for any increase in India’s guaranteed and when Government would try to- quantity for the unexoired period of reach the production target in wheat the agreement. so far as consumption by the Indian masses is concerned? • Pandit Munishwar DavTt Upadhyay: Shri Karmarkar: As the hon. Member Did we purchase the entire quota of knows, the Planning Commission has wheat in 1951? Now, what portion has definite plans. At the end of five years, been purchased in 1952? we propose to have 7*6 million tons' more than we are producing at present. Shri Karmarkar: I should like to Even then, it is thought that 2 million have notice regarding the precise tons will have to be imported for 4 or' quantity of wheat purchased. 5 years. Pandit Munishwar Datt Upadhyay: Wxnu-D R ic e (D istribution ) What is the total amount that the wheat producing countries which *^44. Pandit Munishwar Datt participated in this Agreement can Upadhyay: Will the Minister of Food supply us? and Agriculture be pleased to state: (a) what is the result of the Shri Karmarkar: I gave answer to Conference held at Singapore ia this question a little while ago in reply March, 1952 regarding fair distribu to a question. I think for the last three tion of World rice; :295 Oral Answers 28 MAY 1952 Oral Answers 296 (b) what quota was ^ ow ed to whether the hon. Member is correct. India and whether it meets her need Burma was invited; but the Govern of rice consumption for the current ment of Burma were unable to send year; and a representative. They requested that they be provided with a copy of the (c) what coimtries took part in this report and I think a copy of the report Conference? was sent to them. The Deputy Minister of Ckmimerce Pandit Munishwar Datt Upadhyay: and Industry (Shii Karmarkar); (a) What are the countries from which Presumably the hon. Member is refer India was allowed to purchase rice? ring to the Fourth meeting of the Con sultative Committee on rice held at Shri Karmarkar: The countries from Singapore on the 25th and the 26th which we actually imported rice was March, 1952. The main object of this given by me a moment ago in reply to meeting was to review rice supply and a previous question. There is no demand prospects for 1952. It did not question of being allowed or not propose to make any allocations of rice. allowed. Whatever is available, we are allowed to import. (b) does not arise. (c) A list of the countries' which Pandit Munishwar Datt Upadhyay: ■took part in this meeting is placed on Under this Agreement? the Table of the House. Shri Karmarkar: Yes, surely. Shri Veeraswamy: May I know , STATEMENT whether the Food Ministry will send Aden more rice to the Madras State where Australia rice is the staple food? Ceylon Shri Karmarkar: That is not on the France agenda of the Singapore Conference. Hongkong India Shrimati Renu Chakravartty: Since Indonesia we are giving wheat to Pakistan, may Japan I know whether any attempt has been Laos made to get rice from them in ex Federation of Malaya change? Mauritius Netherlands. Shri Karmarkar: I said the other North Borneo day that we do expect to get some Pakistan rice in exchange. But, whether that The Philippines expectation will fructify or not, is a Portugal matter for the future. Sarawak C o a l I n d u s t r y The Seychelles. Singapore ♦245. Dr. M. M. Das: WiU the Thailand Minister of RaUways be pleased to U.S.A. state: Viet Nam. (a) whether Government are aware of a transport bottleneck from Pandit Munishwar Datt Upadhyay: which the coal industry is suffering May I know what are the rice produc for the last few months; ing countries that participated in this 'Conference? (b) if so, what are the reasons for Shri Karmarkar: The whole list is the same; . \given. Regarding as to what exactly (c) the steps that have been Laken are the rice producing countries, I shall or are proposed to be taken for re have to find out. moving the bottleneck; and Pandit Munishwar Datt Upadhyay: (d) whether it is a fact that the What is the total quantity of rice that nonhavailability of wagons has the rice producing countries can make compelled traders to use motor trucks available for purchase and for fair and this has given them an op distribution? portunity to evade the coal cesses Shri Karmkar: I should like to have imposed by Government? -notice. The Minister of BaUways and Trans Pandit Munishwar Datt Upadhyay: port (Shri L. B. Shastri): (a) to (c). TVIay I know why Burma was ignored There has been no particular bottle in this Conference? neck during the last few months in Sliri Karmarkar: I am not sure respect of movement of coal by rail. 297 Oral Answers 28 MAY 1952 Oral Answers 29B On the contrary, the averaj?e daily memorandum from the 66ial industry loading in the West Benj^al and Bihar stating that the regrouping of Railways Coalfields in 1951 was a]?out 172 will cause them more trouble and more wagons more compared to that in difficulty about transport? 1950 and the average daily loading during the first four months of 1952 Shri L. B. Shastri: Yes, we have. has been about 127 wagons -more than that during the corresponding period Shrl A. C. Gnha: May ,I know what of 1951. Similarly, there has. been was the average raising of coal last increase in 1952 over the loading in the year every month and what was the corresponding period of 1951 in Pench, capacity of the wagon supply for re Chanda Valley, C.I.C. and Singareni moving the coal from the colliery sites? Collieries. Shri L. B. Shastri: The average daily It is, however, a fact that the over loading in 1951 has been nearly 200 all requirements for movement of coal wagons, more than the average daily exceed the number of wagons that it loading in 1950. I can give that figure is at present feasible to make available to the hon. Member. for the loading of coal, consistent with the other requirements of traffic that Shri A. C. Guha: My point was have also to be met concurrently. On whether the average daily loading was some sections, movement of coal along proportionate to the average daily with that of other traffic, particularly raising of coal and whether due to to the South, is also limited by the shortage of wagons there was an line capacity. A large number of new accumulation of coal at the colliery wagons have already been received and sites. some thousands more are on order. Steps are also being taken to augment Shri L. B. Shastri: That will require the line capacity on some of the diffi notice. cult routes. The position is thus ex pected to progressively improve. Shri B. S. Miirthy: May I know whether Government has rec^ v^ any (d) Movement of coal by road is complaints from the mdustriahsts of allowed under permits issued by the the South that their legitimate quota is Coal Commissioner and normally Wel not regularly supplied? fare Cess is due to be collected on such despatches also. Certain road des Shri L. B. Shastri: I have no know patches, however, may be escaping ledge, but there has been some com levy of cess and the question of tighten plaint from the South. ing up the procedure is under active examination by the Ministries of Shri T. K. Chaadhnri: Does the hon. Labour and of Works, Production and Minister’s statement hold good for the Supply. Central Provinces collieries also? Dr. M. M. Das: May I know, Sir, Shri L. B. Shastri: I have given the whether Government is aware that a total figure, but it is difficult for me to series of articles were published in tell specially about the Madhya Pradesh Calcutta newspapers during recent collieries. months complaining about transport bottlenecks in the coal industry? Dr. M. M. Das: May I know. Sir, whether the Government is in a posi Shri L. B. Shastri: I am not but it tion to give us an approximate date is just possible that there have been by which this transport difficulty about complaints. carrying coal will cease to exist? Dr. M. M. Das: May I know. Sir, whether Government is aware of the Shri L. B. Shastri: WeU, it is difficuTt fact that coal amounting to four or five to give an exact date, but as I have million tons have been accumulating in said, we have ordered for thousands the coal fields of Bihar and West Bengal of coaches, and as soon as we get for want of proper transport facilities? sufficient number of coaches, this difficulty will be removed. Shrl L. B. Shastri: I have already said in my reply that we have wagon Shri B. S. Murthy: May I know shortage and it is not feasible to step what action is proposed to be taken up the target as we have to meet other on the complaints tSe Hon, Minister essential demands like movement of has received? imported foodgrains etc. Shri L. B. Shastri: Government is Dr. M. M. Das: May I know, Sir, looking into the matter and will do whether Government have received any the needful. 299 Oral Answen 28 ]VIAX 1952 Oral Anmoers Shii Nambiat: May 1 know, Sir, since - J o i n i n g A m r a v a h w i t h t h e M a i n (d) Has any com pe^tion been R a i l w a y L in e paid so far and if not, why not? (e) What m^sures has the Posts *246. Dr. P. S. DeahmnUi: (a) and Telegraphs Department taken to Will the Minister of Bailways be pleased to state the cost of joining give redress to the persons affected? Amravati with the main railway line (f) Will Govemm^t institute a full from Nagpur to Bombay? and detailed enquiry into the acci (b) Wftiaft is the position of this dent? proposal? The Minister of Commiinications (c) Have Government received any (Shri Jagjivan Ram): (a) I regret to representation in this matter? say that it is a fact that Shri Shashikant (d) If so, have Government taken Nawathe of Amravati met with a fatal any decision on it? accident near the Rajkumari Chawk by treading on a coil of telephone The Minister of Railways and Trans wires one of which happened to have port (Shri L. B. Shastri): (a) The become charged by accidental contact cost of bringing Amravati on the main with a live wire. Railway line was estimated in 1946 at Rs. 37-33 lakhs. (b) The workmen of the department were dismantling two spare telephone (b) The question of diverting the wires one of which accidentally got main line between Bombay and Nagpur charged by contact with a live plectric via, Amravati was investigated in 1946 wire, whose insulation had been but in view of the Door financial damaged. The workmen had the prospects revealed by the Traffic necessary tools but had gone inside Survey Report, the project was a building to rerpove an obstruction, dropp^. when the accident happened. (c) Yes. (c) I am not aware of any enquiry made by the District Magistrate. (d) As already stated in reply to part (b), it was decided to drop the project and Government do not see any (d) and (e). The parents of the reason to revise the decision. deceased have given notice of a Civil Suit against Government while the Dr. P. S. Deshmukh: Is it not a fact question of making an ex gratin pay - that the branch line between Nagpur ment to them is under consideration. and Amaravati is the most costly line in the whole of India? (f) The accident has already been investigated by officers of the P. and Mr. Speaker: He is entering into an T. Department, by the police and by the argument. We may proceed to the Electrical Inspector to the Govern next question. ‘ ment of Madhya Pradesh. It is not proposed to institute any further en A c c id e n t i n R a j k u m a r i C h o w k R o a d , quiry into the matter. A m r a v a t i Dr. P. S. Deshmokh: Sir, has the *247. Dr. P. S. Deshmukh: (a) Government determined the amount Will the Minister of Commnnications which they are prepared to pay to the be pleased to state whether it Is a father of the deceased? fact that a fatal accident was caused Shri Jagjivan Ram: Sir, I am not by the negligent act of the Posts and prepared to divulge the information Telegraphs Department servants to at this stage. I have asked my Shri Shashikant Nawathe of Amra officers to negotiate with the parents vati on public thoroughfare on 22nd August, 1951 while passing by the of the deceased. ' crowded Rajkumari Chowk road, where he contacted loosely lying coils R u r a l P o s t O f f ic e s ( B e r a r ) of telephoiw wires on the street? •248, Dr. P. S. Deshntukh: (b) Is there tiny proposal to estab Members notices of questions on the lish Post Offices there and if so, by same subject. I have admitted that what time? one which I am just now calling, it being wider in scope, and Drobably it The Minister of Commimicatioiis will cover all the supplementaries (Shri Jagjivan Ram): (a) No. that can be raised on the other (b) Does not arise. questions. Of course, the other hon. Members who have tabled short-notice Shri A. M. Thomas: Has this target questions which have been disallowed been reached in any part of the will get an opportunity of putting country? supplementaries over the mam queS' tion which I have allowed. Shri Jasliraii Ram: Not yet. Sir. There are many States in which it Short Notiee Qaestion and Answer has not been reached. R a i l w a y c o l l is io n n e a r B i k a n e r Im p o r t and PRocuMMEirr or Dr. Ram Snbhag Sfaigh: WiU the F oo d g ra in s Minister of Railways be pleased to refer to the statement of the Prime Minister '*249. Shri P. T. Chaeko: Will the made in the Hou^ on the 20th May, Minister of Food and Agricnltore be 1952 regarding the train accident near pleased to stat^: Bikaner and state if he is now in a (a) the quantity of foodgrains im position to make a further statement ported in 1951-52; ^ bn the. subject? (b) the quantity of foodgrains pro The Minister ot Railways and Trans- cured in 1951-52; p « t (Shri L. B. Shastri): Yes. I am in a position to give the following (c) whether any ta n ^ for addi further information:— tional food production was fixed for 1951-52 and if so, what \^as the (i) The latest position in respect of target: and the dead and injured is as follows: (d) whether the target fixed was (a) Dead-45. reached? (b) Injinred—67. The Deputy Minister of Commerce (c) Still in hosDital on 24-5-52— 47. and ^iBdnstry 6Shri KanMtkat): (a) (d) Lists are placed on the Table From 1st April 1951 to 31st March of the House showing the names and 1952 5.24 million tons of foodgrains addresses of the dead and the injured. were imported into India. [See Appendix n , annexnre No. 6.] inquiry into the accident on 22nd May tab!t3d the question he ipay put supple- 1952. The cause of the accident, the mentaries. fixation of responsibility for it, the promptness, efficacy, etc., of relief Shri Bhandari: Was any attempt measures, and whether or not the made at the time of the accident to First Aid Box was available on 24 stop any of these trains? Dn. involved, will inter alia be kndwn on completion of this inquiry. Mr. Speaker: Now that an enquiry has been instituted all details about The Government Inspector of Rail these things can be known only after ways* provisional finding in respect the enquiry is completed, not till then. of the cause of the accident is failure of human element (Railway staff). Shri Bhandari: May I know when the first relief train reached the place ’ (v) The Station Masters, who were of accident? on duty at Palana and Bikaner at the time of the accident, were arrested by The Prime Minister (Shri Jawaharlal the Police and let out on bail. The Nehm): The time was given by me in Railway Administration has also placed my answer two days ago—about three them under suspension. or four hours after. (vi) All unclaimed property re Shri L. B. Shastri: The relief train covered from the wreckage of the reached the spot three or four hours train or removed from the persons of after. ' the dead bodies and collected by the Shri Nambiar: May I know. Sir, Police in the presence of the. Railway whether in view of the fact that this Magistrate, is lying in safe custody. accident has caused such doubts and The Police are taking steps to restore suspicions among the people, the it to respective owners. railway men who are involved and who (vii) Shri Dorga Shanker Dave, are being prosecuted will be given Judicial Commissioner, Jaipur has been sufficient legal assistance and defence appointed as the Claims Commissioner, by the Government? for enquiring into and determining all Mr. Speaker: Order, order. It is claims for compensation arising out of hjrpothetical at this stage. Let the this accident (Both from the public and result of the enquiry come, then the railway employees). question of prosecution wiU arise. (viii) Approximate cost of damage to railway property is: Shri Nambiar: No. Sir, the, question has already arisen—^the two station Locomotives ... Rs. 70,000 masters are under arrest...... \ Goods and coaching stock Rs. '38,000 Permanent way ... Rs. 1,000 Mr. Speaker: Under arrest means under investigation—^prosecution means Rs. 1,09,000 instituting proceedings in a court of law. Shi“i M. L. Dwivedi: I wish to knf)w with which of the two station masters Shri Badshah Gupta: May I know, the fault lies? Sir, if photos of the dead were taken from whose person property Was re- Mr. Speaker: The hon. Member c(/vered so as to connect the property knows that the reply is that an en- with the individual dead person con qtiiry is being conducted. That point cerned? If the photos were taken would be ascertained when the enquiry then it could be proved...... is complete. Mr. Speaker: Order, order. He can Shri T. S. A. Cfaettiar: Was the ask for information as to whether reason for the accident, if I heard it photos were taken—^he need not say correctly, the failure of the human why they should be taken. element? Shri L. B. Shastri: The failure of the Shri L. B. Shastri: I have no informa Railway staff. tion on that point. Mr. Speaker: Shri Bhandari. Shri A. C. Gnha: May I know if all the dead bodies have been identified Shri Bhandari: Will the Minister of or there were some which were not Railways be pleased to...... identified? Mr. Speaker. Order, order. I am Sliri L. B. Shastri: There is no not asking him to put his question— information that any dead body was that has been disallowed. But as he not identified. 05 Written Answers 28 MAY ld52 Written Answers 506 Shri Radhelal Vyas:' May I know Inland W a t e r s (D e v e lo pm e n t of whether any time-limit has been F is h e r ie s ) fixed for completing the enquiry and, if so, what is the time-limit? ♦251. Shri P. T. Chacko: Will the Minister of Food and Agricnltnrc be Shri L. B. Shastri: No time-limit has pleased to state whether Government been fixed but these enquiries by have examined the possibilities of the Railway Inspector generally finish developing large scale fish farming within a month. in inland waters? The Depoty Minister of Commerce and Industry (Shri Karmarkar): Yes. For this purpose the Government of fciwrq'*? srgr qr jair India have been giving grants and loans to State Governments who are qw 3 Government in this connection. It is been leased out to a private firm for expected to complete the work during exploitation? 1953-54. (d) What was the difficulty in ex A dulteration of F o o d stu ffs ploiting the forest departmentally? *25Z. Shri Jhitnjhimwala: (a) Will The Deputy Minister of CkMnmerce the Minister of H ^ th be pleased to and Industry (Shri Karmarkar): (a) state whetijer it was under the con- The species of rare wood are as siderati(»i of Government to intro follows:— duce a Bill for stopping adulteration* of food stuffs in India? Common Names BoUnlcal Names (b) If the reply to part (a) above 'be in the affihnative, what is the (1) PJdauk Pterocarpui daibci- reason for the delay and when do gioidea Government propose to introduce it? (2) Sievcrgrey TermlnaUa biaiat The Minister of Health (Bajkiimari (3) Marblawood Diespyres marmorata Amrit Kanr): (a) Yes. (4) Stain wood Murrajo exotica. (b) The delay is due to the need of consulting the various State Govern (b) A working plan has been pre ments^^. It is proposed to introduce pared for the Andamans which provides the Bill in the next session of the for exploitation of over-matured trees as House. well as regeneration of the exploited areas. The regeneration method con G ang a-B r a h m a p u t r a W a te r sists of having seed bearers in a clear T r a n s p o r t B oard felled area for about 5 years. As soon =^254. Shri Barman: (a) Will the as the ground is covered with new Minister of Tmosport be pleased to regeneration, the new seedlings are state what would be the extent of intensively tended, and the seed jurisdiction of the Ganga-Brahma- bearers are girdled to death. putra Water Transport Board in waters within Pakistan territory? (c) The total area is about 2,500 square miles. The area leased out for (b) Has any agreement been enter exploitation is 707 square miles. ed into with the Pakistan Govern ment? Cd) The main difficulty was lack «f sufficient technical personnel and high (c) What are the companies that initial capital expenditure. wm be supervised or regulated by this Board? F odder S c a r c it y in S tates The Minister of Railways and ♦256. P a n ^ M. a Bhargaya: (a) Transport (Shri L. B. Shastri): (a) Will the Minister of Food and Agri- The Board will have no jurisdiction colture be pleased to state what ar in waters within Pakistan territory. rangements, if any, have been made by the Government of India for sup (b) No. plying fodder to the different famine stricken States? (c) Tlie Board will not have to supervise or regulate any company, (b) What concessions, if any, have but will only co-ordinate the activities been granted in the matter of speedy of the participating Governments In transportation and at lower rates to regard to the development of inland the different States? water transport. The Deputy Minister of Commerce and Industry (Shri Karmarkar): A ndam an F o r e s t s (a) Following arrangements have been made:-— '^253. Shri Barman: (a) Will the Minister of Flood and Aigricaltme be . (i) The export of fodder from pleased to state the species of defloit as well as surplus areas has rare wood that grow in the Anda been coiM;rolled. mans? (ii) Allocation of stocks from sur plus^ to deficit areas was made in (b) What is, the plan for regene consultation with the State Govern ration and development of such rare ments concerned. ' wood? (iii) The deficit areas have been and (c) What is the total area of Anda are being assisted in procuring the mans Forests and what portion has stocks allocated to them. Written Antwers 28 MAY 1952 Written Answers 3iO (b) The movement of fodder to deficit than that of steam stock, but their areas has been accorded a very high operating costs are lower provided classification imder preferential Traffic electric power is available at cheap and comes next to food, viz,, 2(c). rates. Electric traction units are Special trains have also been arranged capable of providing higher accelera whenever necessary for ensuring tion, and considerable saving in speedy transport of the stocks, to overall timing can be effected where deficit areas. Concessional rates of frequent halts are necessary in a freight have been made applicable. section. Im p o r t op F e r t il iz e r s (b) and (e). No. Electrification of Railways rests primarily upon economic considerations and each case has to *257. Pandit M. B. Bhargava: WiU be considered from a number of angles the Minister of Food and Agricnltiire including cost of coal, cost of electri be pleased to state the quantities and city and the density of traffic and more values of fertilizers proposed to be than all, the capital resources of the imported into India during the year country which at present are urgaitly 1952-53 and also in what proportion needed for other more pressing they will be imported from the dollar purposes. and the sterling areas? (c) No. The Deputy Minister of Commerce and Industry (Shri Karmarkar): The (d) England. Government of India have made arrangements for the import of 82,000 B ltngre-C h andpur-S ia u R a il w a y L ine tons of sulphate of ammonia valued approximately at Rs. 3,13,84,000, all SbH N. S. Jain: Wiil the jf which will be in sterling. In addi Mmister of Railways be pleased to tion to this quantity, the U.S. Govern state: ment under the Technical Co-operation (a) whether the actual work of Programme is going to supply a further construction of the dismantled Rail quantity of 88,000 tons of sulphate of way line from Bijnore to Chandpur- ammonia and 20,000 tons of other Siau (old E. I. Railway) has been fertilisers, funds for which will come started and by what time it is expect out of the financial provision made by ed to be completed; and ' the U. S. Government. It is not (b) whether it is a fact that Railway possible to give the total value of track was at first laid for some length these fertilisers or their break-down on that line but was later removed ’ in dollar and sterling, because the and if so, why? purchases have not yet been made. The Minister of Bailwaxs and Trans port (Shri L. B. Shastri): (a) Yes. E lectrification of R a il w a y T r a c k s It is expected to be completed by the end of January, 1953. Sfarl M. L. Dwivedi: Will the Minister of BailwaFS be pleased to (b) No. state: M e s s r s . A . H . W h e ele r and C o. (a> whether the trains run by elec tricity are more economical and **60; Sbil Vidyalankan WiU the quicker than those run by steam; Minister of Railways be pleased to state: (b) if so, whether electrification of more Railway tracks is in progress; (a) the names of the Railways over which the firm of Messrs. A. H. (c) whether electric Railway Wheeler and Co. has the monopoly engines are manufactured in India; to run book-stalls in Railway plat- foimis; (d) the countries from where elec tric Railway engines and trains are (b) years for which this firm being imported; and has enjoyed the monopoly over the aforesaid lines; (e) the railway lines where elec (c)< the amount of royalty and the trically-run trains are being introduc rm t Moeived from the company for ed? . the aforosaid^ mon (b) and (c). Do not arise. B e r a r D iv is io n (T ele ph o n e s) M e r g e r o f M o u n t A b u w it h 36. Dr. P. S. Deshmnkh: (a) Will R a ja sth a n the Minister of Commanicatiuns be pleased to state what steps are being *265. Shri G. D. Somaiil: WiU the taken to connect by telephone such Minister of States be pleased to places as Daryapur, Achalpur, Morsi, state: ' Darwha, Pandharkarvada, ChikWi, Chandur Railway and Murtizapur (a) whether the attention of Gov in the Berar division of Madhya ernment has been drawn to the Pradesh? Resolution passed unanimously by the Legislature of the State of (b) Is there any plan to connect Rajasthan requesting the President to them? merge Mount Abu in the State of Rajasthan; and (c) If - so, by what time will the work be completed? (b) what steps Government propose to take or are teking in the matter? The Minister of Commnnications (Shri Jagjivan Ram): (a) to (c). The Minister of Home Affairs and ^ b lic Call Offices already exist at States (Dr. Katju): (a) and (b). A Murtizapur, Chandur and Achalpur and copy of the Resolution has been re these places are already connected to ceived by the Government of India. the all-India trunks. The rest of the Action on the resolution is under con places are not yet so connected. sideration. It is proposed to connect Darwha to S u pply of W a te r to R ayag oda T o w n the all-India trunk network during the 34. Shri Sanganna: (a) WiU the current finacial year. Regarding other Minister of Railways be pleased to places, the schemes are unremunerative state whether it is a fact that the and there is no proposal to take them Railway Authorities (B. N. Railway) up for the present unless a guarantee is have agreed to supply water to tne furnished. Rayagoda town on payment? P r o c u r e m e n t of F oo o g ra in s in (b) If the answer to part (a) above M adhya P radesh be in the affirmative, what will be the approximate date of putting the agree 37. Dr. P. S. Deshmnkh: (a) Will ment into effect? the Minister of Food and AjBTicoltnre be pleased to state the target of pro The Minister of RaUways and Trans curement for the State of Madhya port (Shri L. B. Shastri): (a) No. Pradesh of juar, wheat and rice for the year 1952-53? (b) Does not arise. (b) What was the -luanlity pr.->- M obile R adio S e r v ic e s cured in each case up to 30ih April. 1952? 35. Shri P. N. RaJabhoJ: Will the Minister of Commanications be pleased The Deputy Minister of Commerce to state how many licences were issued and Industry (Shri Karmarfcar): (a) during the year 1951-32 for mobile Madhya Pradesh Government’s pro radio services? curement target of jiuir, wheat and rice for 1952 is 40,000 tons, 13,000 tons and The Minister ta Communications 226,000 tons respectively. (Shri Jagjivan Ram): The numbers of (b) Against the above targets 61,982 licenses issued for mobile radio services tons of juar, 7,561 tons of wheat and during 1951 and 1952 were as follows:— 152,735 tons of rice have been procured between 1-1-52 and 26-4-52. 1951 1962 upto 22.6-62 L oc u st M enace 38. Dr. Ram Snbhag Sing^: Will B 103 109 the Minister of Pood and Agricnltoie (b) Aeronautical mobile be pleased to state: Borvioe. 193 205 (a) whether it is a fact that the (c) Land mobile service 963 964 Government of Iran have requested the Government of India for imme " 1269 1278 diate assistance in meeting the locust situation in that country; and 816 Written Answers 28 MAY 1952 Written A ntw rs 316 (b) « so, what help the Goyerument (b) Government of India have of India propose to give to the (^ v - already sent one of their Entomologists ernment of Iran m regard to meetLig to Iran. Also, arrangements have been the locust menace over there? made for the immediate despatch of ten The Deputy of Commerce tons concentrated BHC, three tons and iBdustiry (Shri Karmarksr): (a) Aldrin and six power dusters by air. Yes. Gaartle# S Debate'; Sscfon PMfcrn-jf-H Uc.'*<-y v.u :4:ng Rcorofto.FB-025 BIqqIc*G' Aoc. 3:.^»^irJn, THE PARLIAMENTARY DEBAf©5‘ (Part II— ^Proceedings other than Questions and Answers) OFFICIAL REPORT «99 700 HOUSE OF THE PEOPLE MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT Wednesday, 26th May, 1952 Fast by Sw am i Sitaram re. A ndhra State Mr. Speaker: I have received The House met at a Quarter Past Eight notice of an adjournment motion on of the Clock. the following subiect: “The fast un dertaken by Swami Sitaram demand' [M r. Speaker in the Chair] ing the formation of the Andhra province”. There are two points in QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS volved in this. One is the question (See Part I) of the fast and the other is the for mation of the Andhra province. If we take first the importance of the formation of the Andhra province, 9-23 A.M. nobody can deny that the matter is Shri M. L. Dwi^edi (Hamirpur of importance, but there is no ques Distt): With reference to the incident tion of urgency about it, because which took place in the House yester from time to time statements have day, I want to know whether the been made in this House explaining Speaker, or the Chairman who con the position and if hon. Members ducted the proceedings, is entitled to want an opportunity to discuss this ask an hon. Member not to speak in question, they would get it during Hindi which is our Rashtra Bhasha... the course of the next few days. Thus, Mr. Speaker: Order, order. He there is absolutely no urgency about may see me in my chamber just to it and that part goes off. On the question of the fast itself, I do not make me aware of the fact and then think that the fast of an individual I wiU consider as to whether it is permissible to raise the question in could be recognised as a matter of the House. such great importance that the House should discuss it. It is an individual Shri M. L. Dwivedi: But I would affair and is a matter as between Jike to raise the question.. himself and those who go with him. I do not think I can give my consent Mr. Speaker: There is no question to this adjournment motion. — he wailts to raise some point which is not at all connected with the buai- Shri Raghavaiah (Ongole): This Jiess of the d a y . . . fast is connected with...... Shri Velaj^dhan (Quilon cum Mr, Speai^er: There is going to be Mavelikkara—Reserved— Sch. Castes): no argument now on this question. What is it. Sir, the hon. Member wants to know? Shri Nambiar (Mayuram) May I make a submission with regard to Mr. Speaker: The House is not this adjournment motion? bound to know everjihing. I said to him that he may see me and tell Mr. Speaker: No, not now. These me what the facts are and then if ne submissions are many a time taken cessary I wiU inform the House; I do advantage of ior ventilating exactly not wish to take the time of the what ought not to be ventilated. The House by bringing in all and sundry only question here is about admissi matters. So, that is over. bility, and not about the merits ol the question. Hon. Members will clearly understand that I am not 31 P.SI>. concerned with the merits at all. 701 Point of Privilege 28 MAY 1952 Commissions of Inquiry Bill 702 Shri Vallatharas (Pudukkottai): Privileges Committee and I am for On a point of information, Sir. warding this letter also to that body. It will take this matter into conside Mr. Speaker; Not at present. That ration along with the other matters question is over. Now, I am going under investigation and then make- to another matter. its report Dr. S. P . Mookerjee (Calcutta- POINT OF PRIVILEGE South-East): When was this letter re» A rrest of Shri V. G. D eshpande ■ceived? Mr. Speaker: As regards the ques Mr. Speaker I said, at 4-45 p.m . tion about the privilege of this House and its Members raised yesterday Dr. S. P . Mookerjee: Did your by Shri Chatterjee, I have already office receive it at about that time^ referred the matter to the Privileges or was it lying in your office? Committee, as the House knows. Yes Mr. Speaker: It came directly to terday, after that was done, I received me at my residence. at 4-45 P.M. the following communi cation marked “Secret” from the Shri N. S. Nair (Quilon cum Mavelik^ District Magistrate of Delhi. kara): What is the time of its des An Hon. Member: But it is secret. patch? Mr. Speaker: Yes, upto the time it Mr. Speaker: It is dated the 27th was communicated to me it was and looking to its contents, obvious secret, but I cannot keep it secret as ly it was despatched after the arrest between me and the House. It would and after Shri Deshpande had been have been secret had it reached me taken into custody. at a certafn stage, but unfortunately Dr. S. P r Mookerjee: And after it it came to my hands at 4-45 p.m . This is how the letter reads: was known that you had referred the matter to the Privileges Committee ? “District Magistrate’s Office, Delhi, May 27, 1952. Mr. Speaker: I do not know whe Dear Mr, Speaker, ther it was known to him. It all de pends upon whether the District I have the honour to inform you Magistrate was watching the procee that I have found it my duty in the dings of this House from moment to exercise of my powers under Section moment. I do not know that. He 3 of the Preventive Detention Act of may have known or he may not have 1950 as amended to direct that Shri known. Anyhow, it is fgr the Pri V. G. Deshpande, M. P., be detained. vileges Committee to enquire into- Shri V. G. Deshpande was according the matter now. ly taken into custody this morning Shri R. K. Chaudhury (Gauhati): and is at present lodged in the Dis May I know whether Shri Deshpande- trict Jail, Delhi. The communal will bj^ allowed to attend the sittings: situation in Delhi has been tense of the House if he desires to do so? during the last three days over the intended celebration of an inter- Mr. Speaker: Let us await the re communal marriage. Shri V. G. port of the Privileges Committee. Deshpande, among others, took a lea ding part in organising and directing Shri R. K. Chaudhury: I am making meetings and demonstrations which an application to you now to permit led to a breach of the peace on May him to attend the sittings of Parlia the 26th. Their subsequent con ment. duct in continuing to hold meetings and demonstrations was calculated Mr. Speaker: Even if an applica further to provoke a breach of the tion is made just now, I will await peace and as such it was considered the report of the Committee. I have- necessary to detain them in the in already. instructed the Committee ta terest of maintenance of public order. expedite its work, and the first meet ing of the Committee is going to t>e- Yours sincerely, held today at 3-30 p .m . RAMESHWAR DAYAL.” COMMISSIONS OF INQUIRY Bn.L Of course, the subject is not open to any discussion, but I mentioned The Minister of Home Affairs and this letter and its contents to +he States (Dr. Katju): I beg to move fo r House merely for information. A re leave to introduce a Bill to provide ference has already been made to the for the appointment of Comi^isbions ^08 Indian Tarif (Second 28 MAY 1952 Amendment) BJD 704: o f Inquiry and for vesting such Com proposing to give only a protection missions wtth ceaflhain powers. of 30 per cent. I do not kaow hovr this will help the industry. From Hfr. tSp»kcx:.T!he question is: 1950 there was a complete ban over That leave be wanted to intro the import of foreign products— do duce « Bin lo pnmde for the ao- not know if that ban is still can^ni>- pointment o f Ct»mmissions of ing. At one stage there was O.G.L. Inqiiijy and for vesting such and free import. Then suddenly the Commissions with certain Government went over to complete powers.” banning of this article. I think G o vernment should have some definite The motion wa* adopted. plan regarding this as well as other Dr. Ka^u: I introduce the BilL industries. I am doubtful as to how this protection of only 30 per cent, will help this industry. m V lA N TAKIFF (SECOND AMEND MENT) BILL Then, as regards sericulture, the Shri A. C. Giiha: (Santipur): On protection is only up to December the previous day I was speaking about 1952. It is mostly a cottage industry the quantum of protection given to and as such it ought to have better certain industries. I was particular- cohsid«ratio(n frVDtm Goveiinmfent. As iy referring to the cases of sago and a cottage industry, the Government th€ starch industries that are getting should have taken sufficient precau protection from Government. In tion to give a longer period of pro 1949, the fair selling price of sago tection, so that those engaged in the globules wag Rs. 34 per cwt. In industry may have sufficient time to 1950, it was Rs. 41 and now it is set their industry in order. Rs. 61. I do not know how the cost Then again we find from the Tariff of production has been increasing so Commission’s report that artificial much. There may be some suspicion silk is the greatest competitor of our that the industry has been taking cottage industry in silk. The the protection as an encouragement Tariff Board has recommended that to inefficiency and extravagance. speculation in artificial silk should be During the war, about 100 factories regulated or banned under the For were in existence and in 1949 only ward Contracts Act. I do not know 40 were functioning. In 1950 the num whether Government has taken any ber became even less and there were action for regulating .. . only 20. I do not know how many of them are working now. Why tre The Minister of Commerce and In all these in spite of protection? dustry (Shri T. T. Krishnamachari): I may tell my hon. friend that the The hon. Minister stated that of the Forward Contracts Bill has not been industries that are going to be given passed. protection through this Bill, only bicycle and aluminium are of some Shri A C. Guha: I think it was interest from the consumers* point of passed last year. view. But, may I inform him that [S h r i M, A. A y y a n g a r in the Cf\air} sago is a poor man’s diet in Bengal, Assam and I believe also in Bihar The Deputy Minister of Commerce and Orissa. I do not know what is and Industry (Shri Karmarfcar): It is the custom in other parts. During under consideration now. It lapsed. illness people take sago. Shri A. C. Guh^r I am sorry, Sir. I Shri Velayudhan (Quilon cum Ma- recollect it that it passed through the velikkara—'Reserv«e[d— ocn. Casties): Select Committee stage. Anyhow, I Everybody does that. think the Government has enough power even under the Essential Arti Shri A. C. Guha; Everybody, that cles (Control and Regulation) Act to is, the richer section may take Oval- control the pFice and distribution of tine or Horlicks, not sago. In view of artificial silk. the importance of sago, the question of protection being given to it and Another recommendation of the the consequent increase in the orice Commission relates to the free im of this article is a matter of some in portation of silk worms. I do not terest from the point of view of the know how far that has been given consumer. The Tariff Commission effect lo by Government. The Ber- has calculated a protection of 103*47 hampore Sericulture Institute has per cent in order to make the fair been trying to improve Indian silk selliag price of the indigenous pro worms and I do not know what help duct equal to the landed cost of the Government has given in that direc imported article. Government is now tion. Unless we can put our industry 705 Indian TaHff (Second 2$. MAX 1S52 Amendment) BUI 706 [Shrl A. C. Guha] on a proper and efficient footing by ing protection to this zip fastener improving their quality and reducing industry, they should examine how their cost of production, we cannot the industries which are using this go on giving protection for all time as a raw materiml would be affected to come. Anyhow this cottage indus by the protection afforded. This is try should have been given protection an important point, because these for a longer period than for merely articles are not only used for our six or seven riionths. home consumption, but also are meant Another item for which protection for export to foreign countries. is now sought to be given is the As for the cycle industry, when •grinding wheel industry. Here I find protection was given for the first that the protective duty has been time there were only two factories. reduced from 105 per cent to 50 per Now there are several factories. I cent. One factor regarding this ar think the cycle industry has not ticle I would like to mention. The been doing very bad; I may also say chief raw material required that the quality has also been pro for the manufacture of grinding gressively improving though not quite' wheels is the synthetic abrasive up to the standard yet. But I would grains. I think some time in 1948 like to know from the hon. Minister 49 there was a factory in the Pun if the protection is also to be exten jab which was producing this raw ded to those cottage industries which material. I da not know what steps manufacture cycle accessories and Government have taken for the manu parts. There are quite a large num facture of this article in India. This ber of these factories in Calcutta and is an important raw niaterial for in Punjab. Sir, you may yourse^ grinding wheel and from the Tariff have some personal knowledge of Commission’s report I find that almost these factories manufacturing cycle all the raw materials for the produc accessories and parts when you went tion of synthetic abrasive grains are to Calcutta in connection with the available in India. Fiscal Commission. They warned some protection. 'I do not know Then, I come to zip fasteners. This whether the protection envisaged in is something like a raw material this Bill will also be extended to those used for some other industry, main small-scale industries • which are ly for the manufacture of bags, jer manufacturing cycle parts and acces seys and some other things. The Tariff sories. Commission has recommended that Another thing. In most of these the industry should get its products industries we find that the rated examined by the Alipur Test House capacity is much higher than the and a standard should be set by the actual production. In regard to Indian Standards Institution. I do grinding wheel the rated capacity is not know what steps have been ^aken 360 tons, but the production has been in this direction. going down year by year. In 1949 The main raw material for the zip it was 291 tons, in 1950 it was 223 fasteners is brass strips which are tons, and in 1951 it went down to 162 imported. Only 35 per cent of the tons. I would like to know why the brass strips is consumed and 65 per production is going down in soite of cent becomes scrap. The Tariff the protection that is given. The production is not meeting our require Board has recommended that the 65 ments and I would like to know how per cent of scrap should be allowed to be exported and an equivalent the gap., is to be ,filled up. I do not quantity of brass strips imported- I know whether this industry is com am also told that brass strips are petent to manufacture all varieties of produced in our country, but not ac grinding wheels which we require or cording to the specifications reauired whether it is manufacturing only one by the industry. The Bangalore Tele variety. I do not know whether it phone Company also requires brass is not possible for it to manufacture strips of the specification required by other varieties also. I am told that the zip fastener industry. Govern there is a proposal for setting up a ment should therefore, make some particular type of tunngl kiln for the arrangement for the manufacture of manufacture of a better tjrpe of strips required both for the zip faste grindiijig wheel which may. also tend ner industry and the Telephone Com to reduce the cost of production. The pany, according to the specifications industry has-asked for permission for required by them. capita], inve^tnient of 20 laktis or somethi2)g like that. It may be In this cQzm^ion I would like - to before the Capital Issuer Controller, teJJ, the hpn, Mirii|er ttiat wbi^le giv I do not know what is the position. 707 Ind$an Tanff (Second 28 MAY 1952 Amendment) Btll 708 If that is the only obstacle for setting such industries are taking as long as up of that particular type of machi the industries are protected. nery for better tyjpe of manufacture of grinding wheel and for reduction Shid Nevatia (Shahjahanpur Distt.— of cost, I think that matter also North cum Kheri—East): I wish to should be expedited and the indus confine my observations to the alloy, try should not be handicapped in that tool and special steel industry. As respect. stated by the Tariff Board, these are of strategic importance and the desi There is another point that I rability of establishing this industry should like to mention. In the case on sound lines is recognized. As of some of these industries only one such I support the proposal oi firm is manufacturing then\. as in the levying protective duties in respect case of the grinding wheel and also of this industry. Bat the mere giv zip fasteners. Where it is a case oi ing of protection is not going to lead only one firm being interested in the to the establishment of this industry manufacture of the particular type of on a sound and permanent basis. If goods, there should be greater cau the hon. Minister will refer to para. tion while granting any protection 7(a) of the Tariff Board report he to that industry. There is iust a will find that it has been stated chance that the industry will take it that in their n^morandum to the as an encouragement for inefficiency. l^ard, Tatas have pointed out that There should be some control over their present alloy and tool steel the remuneration of the managing plant was installed during the war director or managing agent when a only as a make-shift arrangement particular industry is given protection; and that it will not be suitable for particularly when only one unit is meeting the demands of the country interested in the manufacture of the on a permanent basis. They have particular item, the caution should even stated that after two or three be more strictly exercised. They years they may have to curtail their may feel that there is no competi production of certain cate^;ories of tion from outside, that the Govern alloy, tool and special steels. They ment is giving them sufficient protec have said that they should not be tion, and so there may be a sort of depended upon in future to produce complacency and they may indulge all kinds of alloy, tool and special in inefficiency and wastefulness. So steels. The reason is they are now I would urge upon the hon. Minister going to produce larger quantities of to see that in regard to these two mild steel which would lead to a i-ur- industries, where only one firm in tailment in the production of each is interested in the manufacture, alloy, tool and special steels. Hence they may enquire what is the re the alternative suggested by Tatas is muneration taken by the managing that other parties interested in the agents or the managing directors. manufacture of high speed and spe Alter all it is the interest of the con cial steels like the Mysore Iron and sumer that should occupy some place Steel Works and those who possess while giving any protection to any electric furnaces should be encourag industry. Because when protec ed to take these lines. There are tion is given to an industry it electtric furnaces scattered over va should not mean that that rious parts of the country: there are industry should be permanently pro some in Calcutta, some in Bombay, tected. What is meant is that the Kanpur and one or two other places. industry should be protected in the These factories are small units, they initial stages and subsequently it will are producing special steels, and they stand on its own feet. For instance have got the capacity. But unfortuna in the case of steel we have been tely they have got the necessary an giving protection for several years. cillary equipment. The Tariff Board And the Indian steel industry is now has suggested that it should be possi able to stand on its own feet and its ble to evolve a plan by which this products, both in quality and price, capacity can be utilised by supplemen- can compete favourably with those of ing it with the necessary an foreign countries. cillary equipment. The Tariff Board have stated that they “strongly re While giving protection to these commend that the question of evol industries we should see that these ving a long-term plan for expand industries are encouraged, not for in ing the special steels industry, efficiency and wastefulness, but for through the co-operation of re-rolling efficiency and economy. So I would mills having electric arc furnaces, urge upon the hon. Minister to see should receive urgent consideration what remunerations the managing by Government”. If the mere giving agents and the managing directors in of protection is not goin^ to lead to 709 Indian TaHff (Second 28 M A T 1952 Amendment)) BSa 710 (Shri Nevatia] the establishment of the industry on in electric furnaces as comDared tO) a permanent basis, we must have mild steel produced by main pro*- alternative means, and, as stated by ducers from iron ore, they were sub» .the Tariff Board, electric furnaces sidized. Even after giving subsidy which are scattered over the country for production of mild steel in electric are best capable of making these furnaces, their mild staet rate prtb- special steels. bably works out at 50 per cent, of the cost of imported steel. It is all right In this connection I would draw to subsidize them, but ultimately the attention of the House to the tney must function for the produc Five Year Plan on small-scale indus tion of materials for which they are tries— Chapter 12. It has been stated used in the rest of the world. So, I there: suggest that if they are encouraged "What is essential for econo to produce special steel, by giving; mic development on democratic them some financial or technical aid lines is a diffusion of souix^s of for making this, it will serve the power and instruments of pro needs of the country, because thegse duction” . things being of strategic importance^, we cannot afford to di^end on foreign It has also been stated that it is imports. Besides that foreign im necessary to avoid the cost of trans ports are not easily available, it port involved in long haulage of raw has been mentioned in the Tariff materials. It is mentioned in the Board report that due to the re-^r- above Chapter that small re-rolling mament drive, it is not possible to mills and foundries are fairly wide get the special steels in adequate spread throughout the country and quantities and so* long as the re-ar are engaged in the manufacture of mament drive continues, it would be various types of engineering goods. difficult to continue to get them. The Five Year Plan has strongly re Hence it is very essential that this commended that these small-scale industry should be encourgjed and industries should be encouraged. the re-rolling mills which have got Unfortunately there has been a ten the electric furnaces should be given dency to concentrate on the giving of the necessary financial and technical financial aid to large-scale industries. aid for developing this industry. But, as stated in the Five Year Plan, unless small-scale industries are de Shri Alagesan IChinglqpwt): I am veloped as ancillary to large-scale in glad that the new Minister of Com dustries, the cost of production is not merce and Industry has taken this likely to be lowered. The large-scale early opportunity to bring forward industries will have to find much more this measure which affords protection capital. Besides that, since they to the Link Industries that manu have to go in for large-scale production facture zip fasteners, for the first they cannot go in for all sorts of time. I have a special interest in small-scale production as well. It is this industry. Of course, I need not necessary that there should be an teU you that the interest is a pecu integrated programme of develop niary one. The industry is located ment of large-scale as well as smalJ- in my home town in my constitu scale industries. The special steel ency. I have watched it taking roots industry will serve as a sort of ancil and I have watched its growth. The lary industry to the various auto Tariff Board in their report has paid mobile or other industries which re a well merited tribute to the pioneer quire special steels. efforts of the Link Industries in the field. It is the only concern that In this connection. I would request produces zips in this country. Not the hon. Minister of Commerce and only that, perhaps barring Japan it Industry to take up this queistion and is the only concern which produces see that these electric furnaces which zip fasteners in the East, and as such are scattered over the country re the importance of affording protection ceive due consideration and their to an industry of this kind need not capacity, which is unfortunately uti be over-emphasized. The modern lized at present for uneconomic pro uses to which these zips are put are duction of mild steel, is diverted to well known. Today in one of the wards making steel for which they daily newspapers of Delhi, I saw a ase essentially meant. These electric rather interesting item of news. It furnaces were installed sometime be speaks of an Indian businessman fore the war and during the war who has gone to America and who is due to shortage of mild steel, they there trying to popularize saris with were asked to produce mild steeL zips. We can expect safely that the As the production of this is cosllitii zip sari wCll become the rage of 711 Indian Tariff (Second 28 M AY 1952 Amendment) Bill 712 America soon. Not only in America, country and also that a good portion but in India also, they are likely to of the raw material used becomes become popular in not a very distant useless and has to be re-exported, date. This only shows that there the Government will not find great are any number of uses to which difficulty in giving effect to this re these zips can be put. commendation of the Tariff Board, JO A .M . « namely, that of waiving in full or at least in part the import duty on The Tariff Board has made rather brass strips. If, simultaneously with conservative estimate of the de affording protection to this industry, mand for the article in the next three they are able to waive a part at least years. They calculate that about 7i of the import duty on brass strips, lakh feet of these zips will be required that will go a great way in pushing in the country in tne nexi inree up production of this industry. years. I am afraid it is likely to become an under-estimate and the Again, it was pointed out that this demand is likely to exceed far is a single concern manufacturing a above this. References have b ^ n made particular product and the Govern to the rather low production of this in ment should be very wary in afford dustry in the three years of its ing protection to such an industry. •existence. The chief obstacle to The Tariff Board has calculated that .greater production has been the diffi the extent of protection needed will culty in obtaining the raw materials. be about 37 per cent. Instead, it is The raw material in this case is proposed to convert the present re brass strips which are not made in venue duty of 3U per cent, into a this country and which have to be protective duty, that is, less than imported. The industry has been the protection envisaged by the Tariff finding it difficult to import their re Board. quirements and it is because of that Also, the Tariff Board, in its re that they were not able to produce port, has imposed certain obligations the maximum that they can. Ajfain. on this industry. They have been to produce about 4-8 lakh feet of asked to furnish the Board annually, zips, the total requirement of the or at such intervals as the Board may raw material is calculated at 16 tons. indicate later, progress reports giving Even this low quantity, they are not information regarding production as ^ble to import. Perhaps it is due to well as stocks, cost of production, the fact that it is rather low that prices of indigenous zip fasteners, they are not able to import also. I prices of imported zip fasteners to am told that the requirement of l« gether with the details of any sig tons is perhaps less than a^ day’s nificant developments affecting the production of the rolling mills that production, efficiency and the com make these brass strips. As was petitive position of the industry. This pointed out before, the Telephone obligation has been squarely im 'Company also are in need of the posed upon the industry and the same raw material. If the Govern Government have also called upon ment can make an arrangement by the industry tg comply with this. In •which they can combine the require- such circumstances, I do not think Tnents of this industry as well as there is any fear of the industry their own and if they can extend getting lax and not trying to im the benefit of any arrangement of prove production. I do hope that import of this raw material to this this protection v/ill put new hope into industry, it will go a great way in the industry and that the industry •helping this industry. Then if tJie will reach the maximum_ production supply of raw material is assured, that they have planned in the next they will be able to produce the maximum that they plan to produce. two or three years. They hope to produce about 1,20,000 leet in 1951-52 and in 1952-53 Shri Velayudhan: At the very 4,80,000 feet and in 1953-54 7,20,000 outset, I may say, I have only to make a few observations regarding this le e t Bill, because I think it is not of a Also, the imported brass strips are controversial nature. I remember, in now subject to a duty of 31 i per 1950, when we extended the tariff x:ent. ad valorem. The industry has rates to starch industry, I also had asked that this may be waived. The the privilege to speak on that sub Tariff Board also has considered ject, and on that basis, I think I this and recommended to the Gov- can contribute to this discussion. •'emment that this may be at least ^ i v e d In part. If you take into As regards tariff as a whole, I sub [Shri Velayudhan] at all. The introduction of tariff we give protection, the industries rates in India goes back to 1934. We should not only be able to compete all know that it was intended not for with foreign countries, but the Gov the benefit of the Indian manufac ernment should see that the quality turers and Indian industrialists; but of the articles produced is also com it was introduced only for the bene parable to the articles from foreign fit of foreigners, especially British countries. I do not say this to cast and American industrialists. Later any reflection on these particular in~ on, because of the persistent agita dustries. tion of the Indian industrialists, pro tection was also given to many of It is stated that there is an In the Indian industries. At the same dustrial Corporation started in Bom time, there was a keen competition bay. I think I can legitimately hope going on between the British and that they will give suflBcient help to Indian industries. Now, we have the South Indian industries whicli before us a Bill which extends this have not been sufficiently helped by tariff rate to four or five industries. the Government of India and that the zip industry wiU make good pro Let us now examine how this ad gress with the help now afforded by valorem duty imposed on some of the imposition of the ad valorem the articles will affect the industries duty. In this House we have ex as well >as the consumers in India. perience of giving protection to in As regards these industries, we have dustries even at the inception, when a very painful history in South India. it has not yet started producing any The development of industries in thing. Take for example the Gwa South India was very slow because lior Industries. We gave protection of the stepmotherly treatment of the two years ago and at that time, some Central Government towards indus hon. and distinguished Members from trial development in the South. I the other side, especially Mr. Goenka^ am very happy that we have now a mentioned that that industry had not new Minister of Industry and Com started working. At the same time,, merce who knows tBe ins and outs we gave protection to that industry. of industry in South India and I am sure the industries for which pro I have to make certain observations tection is being given will make good regarding the starch industry. W e progress under his regime because are giving protection to this industry he is not only an industrialist, but an not for the first time. During the expert in the line. war time, we had more than 120 starch industries; in 1946 it was 44. There was a complaint made by I do not think that we have now my hon. friend Mr. Guha regarding more than a dozen industries. We the quality of the goods produced in are not giving enough protection ta this country. Prote'ction to the in this industry. My submission to the dustry is more misused than used by hon. Minister is that this is a very the Indian industrialists and the important industry as it consumes prices of the Indian made goods are some local raw materials, especially very high. At the same time, there tapioca for which the State from are certain reasons behind it also. which I come, Travancore-Cochin, is We have given this protection only to famous. We are producing huge certain industrialists who approached quantities of tapioca. But, now the the Government with certain pro price of tapioca is fallen very low. I posals, without, at the same time, am glad to say that this increase in giving specialised directions regard the tariff will give some additional ing the quality of the goods to be price to the tapioca growers. If large- produced. There is a Standards In- quantities of this article are allowed ctitution which the Government of to be exported from Travancore- India has established. I do not know Cochin and the Malabar districts. I how far this insiitution is working. think the industry will thrive and It exists only in name. In other the cultivation of tapioca will also count^ries when industries are de thrive. I hope the hon. Minister of veloped, the Government keeps a Commerce will see to it. close watch over the quality of the materials produced in the concerned The next industry mentioned is the industries. Here, in India, except cycle industry. We have got a bad giving some subsidy or some protec reputation about this industry in tion, Government never looks into India. The cycle industry was taken the details. The quality of the arti up by some of Birla’s concerns in cles produced is poor and that spoils India. We have always the com our fame in India and also our re plaint that the cycles produced in putation outside. Therefore, when India are not up to the mark. This; 716 Indian Tarift'iS6cond 28 MAY 1952 Amendment) BiU 719^ is protection given only to protect This is an omnibus Bill. An analysis- the Birla industries and not to pro shows that in respect of eight major duce good cycles in the country. Of questions, tariff action is to be taken course, many of our industrialists and that in respect of a number of are only money-makers. We should other smaller issues, consequential see that industw s are encouraged, action is also to be taken. The main not for helpinj^money-making, but points which I would like to place be to give social service to the commu fore my hon. friend, the Commerce nity as a whole^ and to the country Minister, are the following: as a whole. It is only with patrio In respect of all these questions, has tism that we can become a first class Government taken care to see that industrial country in the world. I they have a positive industrial policy? request the hon. Minister to see, I am prepared to illustrate as to what when giving this additional protection is happening in respect of the starch to the cycle industry, that the cycles industry. I am not here to plead the produced in this country should be cause of A, B or C, nor any particular first-rate and should be in a position industry for that matter. There are to compete with cycles imported from complaints that the quality of starch other countries. In spite of all this which is being produced in this coun protection, why are foreign goods try is of a very low grade, with the coming to India and competing with result that most of the textile mills in the Indian industry today? It is be particular are anxious to import high cause they produce materials very quality starch from abroad at a cheaply. Their cost of production is cheaper price. I would like to know also very cheap and therefore our from my hon. friend, the Commerce Minister also should see how we can Minister, whether anj^hing has been produce cheaper things in the coun done during the past few years, or try, especially cycles which are now whether anjrthing is being proposed to being used by the middle class as be done from now on, to ensure that also the lower middle class. the quality of starch produced in this country comes up to expectations, and I do not want to make any further that the money sought to be spent in observations regarding this Bill, and the purchase of starch has got an I hope hon. the Commerce Minister equivalent return, at least a propor will look into different aspects which tionate return as compared with the I have mentioned. foreign imported starch. Dr. Lanka Sondaram (Visakhapat- I have looked into the Tariff Board’s nam): I should like lo congratulate recommendations on the grinding the hon. Minister for the good fortu wheels industry, and also as regards ne he has had in bringing before the action sought to be taken through this House so early in his office such this Bill to give protection to it. At a very important matter as Tariff one time it was suggested that this reform. grinding wheels industry should have As I look at the poor attendance a protection of 80 per cent., almost this morning here, it occurs to me equivalent to the total banning of that we in this country are taking imports. I am a keen student of in things for granted, even as regards dustrial and commercial matters, not questions of high policy. If I do not committed to pleading the brief of misread or misrepresent the history any particular group, and would of the current century, any kind of certainly welcome anything done in connection with tariff matters, indus this country to enable us to establish trial policy and production would new industries in order that we may have aroused a -tremendous amount progress from precedent to precedent, of interest in the people. In f ict, that it will lead to self-sufficiency and our battles of freedom were fought eventually that we will be able to more in the economic sphere than in stand up to competition. But, it the political sohere during the last occurs to me that the consumer angle 50 years in particular, and it is a in this respect—^the consumer angle has also a bearing upon the tariff tragedy that we should be confronted action sought to be implemented with the spectacle of lack of interest through this Bill—has not been pro in this vital matter. perly taken note of. A number of sectional viewpoints have been put forward by the hon. Now, as regards the zip fasteners Members who preceded me in this question, quite a lot has been said, morning’s debate. I am not here to get and I am not here to come between entangled in sectional matters, but my hon. friend Shri Velayudhan and with your permission. Sir, I propose my hon. friend Shri Alagesan as to to offer three or four general observa what has happened or what is hap tions on this Bill. pening in the in regard to the- ^17 Indian Tori# (Second 26 M AY X952 Amendment) Bitt 718 [Dr. Lanka Sundaram] . production activities of this industry. recommendations of the Tariff Board, But it occurs to . me that the report and I am r ’a-1 to say that in listing of the Tariff Board is very specific, these measures in the Bill, he has and I quote with your permission a certainly not only carried out the small paragraph which says that the recommendations, jpt has also anti t)anning of imports must be made an cipated the recomn®dations of the instrument of not only fiscal policy, Board. As one who has watched the but of industrial policy, in order that activities of the Tariff Board I am the industry locally is able to face up making this suggestion in a very to competition, and eventually produce friendly spirit, that it is a very haras jgopds of quality at prices which would sed, small bqdy. A number of items be economic. All things considered, it are referred to it at frequent intervals, occurs to me that we in this country and I think it will be rather difficult must insist upon something like a to expect such a small and harassed behaviour clause on the part of the Tariff Board, as I have said, to cope industries which come before this with this work. I suggest the Govern House for protection. Without such a ment increase the personnel of the behaviour clause I am afraid we are Tariff Board, so that they may be squandering away the vast fund of able to deal exhaustively and expedi goodwill among the people of this tiously with all the questions referred country towards industrialisation. I to them from time to time. am here for the multi-pronged develop ment of India’s industrial activity I wish that my friend the Commerce but without this behaviour clause, it Minister had made a motion for refer occurs to me, we in this country will ring this Bill to a Select Committee. very soon come to a pass where we Some of us would have put down a will admit that there should not be motion, but knowing as we do the any protection. strength of our friends on the other side, such a motion would not have I have again here to refer to a very had a ghost of a chance to succeed. painful problem. There are skeletons I still believe that it will not be too in the cupboard of Government’s late for him to bring forward a motion policy and one such skeleton is peep for referring this matter to a Select ing through this Bill. I refer to the Committee. As I have said, he has bicycle industry and the differential taken anticipatory action as regards scales of protection sought to be given protection of certain industries even to it. I mean imperial preference. I before the Tariff Board reported on would like to know, why we in this them. I think a little time given, a country after Republican freedom week at the outside, so that all should still be subject to this grip of sections of the House may go into the imperial preference. The rates now details, would not ipatter very much, recommended are 65 per cent, for and I hope the suggestion would be British manufactured cycles and 75 looked into. I hope that my friend the per cent, for foreigi>manufactured hon. Commerce Minister would not cycles. And outside the scope of the consider this request as unreasonable. 3ill, I am sure, there are a number of items on our Tariff list which also Shri Natesan (Tiruvallur): I should go to prove that we in this country also like to confine my remarks to the ^fter years of Republican ireedom are zip fastener industry. I wish to make closely tied down to the apron-strings a reference to the notes of the Com of Britain. I am sure my hon. friend merce Ministry wherein it is observed Mr. Krishnamachari will certainly teU that: me very soon that even these pre “The only manufacturers of zip ferential duties are contained in or f''s^:iners at present are the Link covered by the General Agreement on Industries, Madras. Their annual Trade and Tariffs. I am aware of that rated capacity is estimated at fact, but it occurs to me that as a 9 lakhs feet ...... Ajptual matter of basic national policy, we production has been only about should free ourselves from these 7 per cent, of the rated capacity.” trammels, without which we will not be able to expand our national foreign This gives the impression that this trade, which by implication means company has not proved its capacity expansion, of our national industry. to produce anjnvhere near a reason able proportion of its rated capacity. Qne other small word, and I have According to the information supplied done. I was listening to the speech to me, the production in the first delivered by Mr. Krishnamachari the quarter of 1951 was 40,000 ft. on a "other day where he said everything single shift operation. Generally this depends upon Jthe Tariff Board and can be done only by three shifts but 'that he is on^ implementing the the company has done it only on a ■719 Indian Tariff (Second 28 M AY 1952 Amendment) BiU 720 ^single shift operation. I am told m In the notes it is stated that the October, 1951 they produced more domestic demand for zip fasteners than 20,000 ft. which corresponds during the next three years is esti roughly to about 60 per cent, of their mated at 7-5 lakhs feet per annum. I Tated annual capacity for a single understand that during the pre-war :shift operation. But, unfortunately, days the import into this country was from the period April-May, 1951 to about seven lakhs feet and that was August-September, 1951 the factory for the undivided India. Now that the was stopped for want of raw material. country has been divided it is esti From this, other things being equal, mated that only 4i lakhs feet would it will be seen that the company can be the annual demand. I consider that produce at least 60 per cent, of its if this Madras industry is given some rated capacity. I simply wanted to help by way of procurement of raw 'disabuse the minds of hon. Members materials it will certainly come up to here who may think that the company the mark. The fact is that they have has not been capable of producing to been losing for over three years and the capacity that they ought to. The they have eaten away at least half of whole difficulty arose on account of their present subscribed capital; un lack of raw material. Without raw less you come to their rescue it will material what can any factory do? not be possible for the industry tq There seems to have been some corres thrive. I understand that the Madras pondence with the Government of zip fastener industry has given some India for over eighteen months and proposals to the Government of India. the Government of India had to be I wish that the hon. Minister gives convinced that it ^s really not the his s3TTipathetic consideration to those brass that was required but thin proposals. I also request him, in the strips of brass out of which the fine interest of the industrialisation of this plates for the zip fasteners are pres country, that applications from indus sed out. The company seems to have tries for import licences be expedited made the suggestion that brass can by the Government of India a~ much be exported in the form of scrap as possible. to be re-rolled and re-imported. For some reason or other the Government Shri T. N. Singh (Banaras Distt.— of India turned down the suggestion East): I also congratulate the hon. and owing to the enormous delay in Minister for bringing forward this procuring raw material the factory important measure at an early stage was not able to go into production. of his career. If you look at the Bill you will find that it covers from sago It may be argued that on a Tariff to steel, alloy and then on to zio Bill I am only talking about the fasteners—a very wide range of sub difficulties of this industry. But I find jects, no doubt. In the circumstances that the rate of duty of 31i per cent. it certainly becomes difficult for Mem ad valorem is about to be accepted by bers. or at least it does appear difficult the Government because the Govern to me to switch on from one point to ment has got no other alternative but another while going into the details to accept the recommendation of the of this BiU. Tariff Board. On the other hand, I am told that it is not possible to increase So far as the majority of the the duty even if the House wants to clauses of the Bill are concerned, they do it. I consider that this rate of duty are concerned mostly with continuing is not fair because there is always the present rates of duty— in some British and Japanese competition and cases the revenue duty is being con you must know that, as my hon. friend verted into a protective duty. . The Mr, Alagesan has pointed out, this is only new industry which comes under the only factory of its kind in this the scope of this BiU is the zip part of the world. As far as I know, fastener industry, and so it is better there is no other zip fastener factory that most of our attention should be an3^ h ere close by and it is therefore devoted to this clause of the Bill. necessary to give every possible help Now, at present there is one concern to this factory. But since Government only which is manufacturing zip proposes to accept the Tariff Board’s fasteners, that is the Madras Link recommendation I will have to leave Industry, and it is proposed to have the matter at that. another in Bombay. The rated capa city of the Madras factory is about A reference was made to the Home nine lakhs feet and the rated capacity Industries Corporation, Bombay who of the Bombay factory is reported to have been able to secure a licence. be 18 lakhs feet. So if both these My information is that they are about factories go into full production and if to abandon this scheme because they the object of the Tariff Board is found that the only other factory achieved, then it would mean that which is in Madras is itself in diflV- these two factories should run offl- cultiefi. ciently and be able to produce 27 lakhs 721 Indian Tariff (Second ^8 MAY 1952 Amendment) Bill 722 [Shri T. N. Singh] feet of zip fasteners. On the other There may be varying ideas on this, hand it has been stated and the Tariff subject and it is also a controversial Board also mentions it, that the total issue, but the case should be examm- demand for zip fasteners in India is ed. I feel that a judicious control not about seven lakhs feet. I therefc/e only for saving our exchange resources want to know—and I hope the Minis but for protecting industries may be ter will certainly enlighten me on desirable. this point—whether this additional factory which is being set up in As regards the industries that Bombay will not mean either that iho deserve attention I would mention the plant will remain idle or that if it sericulture industry. It has not been goes into production it will have to mentioned by any hon. Member be produce goods which cannot be fore me. Whatever protection is being marketed. In either case the industry given to it, it requires to be further will suffer, whether you protect it or considered. We are told that the not. Tariff Board is going into the question, once again and that we shall soon I believe we have got powers of con know what amount of protection this trol over the starting of new indus industry will be given. I submit this tries. Therefore, I would like to ask industry deserves our greatest con why this other industry was allowed sideration. It has not only the possi to be started at all when we had a bility of meeting local demands, but concern which was more than suffi if properly developed and protected, cient to meet the demand of the in times to come it will obtain ioc our country? We cannot export any of the country very substantial foreign ex surplus production because of the change and we can develop a good higher cost of production here and foreign market. also the freight and other things in As regards alloy tools, one sugges volved. on account of which it will not tion that I have to make is this. It be possible for us to compete in the may not be directly relevant to protec world market. So what |will be the tion but it does have a bearing on this future for this in d u stry ? We are question. The modem tools industry giving it protection but if we cannot requires to be developed. When we* achieve the very object for which oro- give protection, we should also see tection is given then we have got to that all our scientific resources are think of something else. Either the harnessed to the full, so that the cost demand has to be increased or some of production may go down and w e effort should be made to see that the may be able to secure substitute raw cost of production of these factories materials for the production of those is brought down. In the alternative things. We should also go into a it may happen that production will detoiled examination of the various not start in the other factory. I have processes, so that we may see that our no interest in either of these factories scientific resources may come to the and I have therefore no motive at all rescue of the industry with a view to- in making these suggestions. As a seeing that protection does not matter of fact, they are far away and continue for an unduly long period. I before this I did not know whether would submit that the hon. Minister these factories existed. I want to should ensure that in every industry, know what is the Government’s which has a modern scientific basis,, policy in such cases. its special problems are considered by a committee of experts or a scientific Then, as a matter of a general rule, board or any other body he may like it strikes me that whenever we give to appoint. It should not be left any protection, we should see that tne entirely to the scientific explorations competing goods are not allowed to and investigations of the concerns be imported into this country. Let themselves. It would be better if the there be no half-hearted protection. Government steps in, because after all If the competing goods are allowed to we are asking the consumer to make be imported, then to that extent the certain sacrifices and to that extent protective duty would fail. At the the Government has a responsibility same time, I realise that at the pre to see that the cost of production ?oes sent juncture we have enough control down. over imports to enable us to give real protection, whether there is a protec Then, I was listening to my hon. tive duty or not. I want the hon. friend Dr. Lanka Sundaram. He refer Minister to investigate the possihility red to the bicycle industry. I was im of controlling all these goods not only pressed by his speech, because it came for balancing our payments or saving from such a person who has also been our foreign exchange, but also for tl)e a journalist, and journalism is a pro purpose of protecting our industries. fession to which I also claim the 723 Indian Tariff (Second 28 MAY 1952 Amendment) Bill 724 iionour to belong. When I listened to and concessions to the Britishers. Then him, I felt that the industrialists of in 1934 came this Act. But now we this country including Messrs. Birlas are in a different atmosphere al have got a new champion. I did not together. We talk so much about our expect it and probaUy it is not lor freedom. We say that we are demo us to welcome those sentiments and cratic and that we want to develop our that language which we had the national industries. In that situation. pleasure to hear only a short while I ask you: are we not to take the ago- If protection has to be given, issue as a whole and look at it with a then I may say that the Government view to making changes whic]i are is committed to developing the cycle very badly needed today? When I sub industry. It is doing it, but since this mit that, the hon. the Commerce industry has got supporters in un Minister and the hon. the Finance expected quarters, it is not for me to Minister will say that this is a £o any more into that question. generalisation. But I shall give con crete instances to substantiate my The other point is about the starch point industry. There is nothing new or con troversial in it. We are only continu For instance, take the match indus ing the protection and it will help the try. The match industry of India, tapioca industry as my hon. friend particularly in the South, is a n ono- from Travancore has said and some poly in the hands of Swedish. We give other root plant industries. It is a protection. But what is the result? matter of pleasure for every one of The Indian industrialists in the south, 119. especially in the Ramnad district, In conclusion, I would only reiterate attempt^ to start match industry. my two points. First of all, Govern But the WIMCO, who have a monopoly ment should see that in every indus control over chemicals, have com try that is granted protection, the pletely wiped them out. It is a fact scientific aspect is brought to the fore that our money is being plundered and the cost of production i.s kept by the Swedish industrialists u.-id the down and all the enerf^ies of scient'^c ordinary consumers are askc*d tj pay men and the advantages of scientific more for the matches. This is the posi Icnowledge are utilised to that end. tion. In order to help the Indian in Secondly, in industries that we control, d u s t r y we want to give tariff protec all the resources, all the powers, all tion. But then, the foreign capitalists, the authority vested in the Govern the British imperialists and the ment, both by the Industries (Develop- Swedish monopolists come here, set Tnent and Regulation) Act and the their own machinery-with the help of ■other measures such as import and cheap labour, compete with the Indian exoort control measures, are harnes industries and make the Indian indus sed fully. We are merely continuing tries suffer. This sort of thing should the old protection in most cases and not be allowed to continue any longer in other cases probably the protection and unless we approach the issue from does not exceed what has been recom*- a general point of view in the interest Tnended by the Tariff Board. of the Indian industries, we are not approaching the issue in che correct Shri Nambiar (Mayuram): Not only perspective. That is why I submit the Commerce Minister but the that this is a matter for the Finance Finance Minister ought to consider Minister to pnsider. this issue in general, because after the recent elections we are asked to con Why should this Ottawa Pact—this sider the Tariff Bill with certain notorious thing—continue even now? amendments to the previous measure Even this measure which we are now which was enacted under a different discussing discriminates between items regime. If you go back to 1931, you of British manufacture and those of will find, the notorious Ottawa Pact non-British manufacture. My hon. lyhereby instead of giving orefercnce friend Dr. Lanka Sundaram also refer to Indian industry we went to the red to it. Why should it be so? This extent of granting preferential treat does not mean that I want to com ment to British industries against pletely knock out foreign capitalists. Japan. It was in those days that the My main contention is that the foreign Japanese came to compete 'with capitalists should not be allowed to Britishers in India, and in the name avail of the benefits afforded by tariff of India we suppprted and defended protection and compete with Indian the British , interests In India. Because industries from within. Tariff orotec- o f our policy in 1931, the Indian, cotton tion extends only to those articles growers suffje^ed. They were very coming from outside. What about T^adly affectjed by the boycott policy those who are already established in JpUowed by thfe Japanese as a retalia India, who have got mijnopoly control tion agftinst our granting pratection of so many raw materials, and taking 72 5 Indian Tanff (Second 28 MAY 1952 Amendment) Bill 72^ [Shri Nambiar] advantage of that position compete in Britain, which is expected to serve with the Indian industries? This ques for ten years, then the protection is tion therefore naturally presupooses a sought to be used by certain quarters review of the whole situation vis-a-vis to amass wealth at the cost of the the monopoly held in India by the consumer. British imperialists and Swedish mono I am not against giving protection. I polists. This is what I wisji to submit say protection must be given. But to the hon. the Commerce Minister. while giving protection Government I am not at all against protection must see that there is a machinery to- being given to certain industries men watch that this protection is well used tioned in the Bill; I accept them. But or iU used. In that machinery the pro let us for a moment look at the whole ducer must have a voice, Government issue. must be represented and the workers should also have a voice. The worker Coming as I do from the South, I can say that under certain conditions would like to refer to certain indus the production would improve. The tries in particular. What is our poUcy question of labour co-operation never towards copra, that is dried coconut? enters the mind of Government, be Malabar produces mainly copra and cause they consider that labour has pepoer, which are some of our main only to obey. They must be satisfied dollar earning articles. But what is with what they are offered. This the position now? The protection given approach is quite wrong. I say that to copra has now been lifted v/ith the labour in India is watching all develop result that the Ceylonese copra comes ments. Let us not think that labour and is sold in the bazaars of Calicut knows nothing. Labour is prepared to and Cannanore at a much cheaper cooperate with the industrialisation rate. The result is that the Malabar programme and labour wants the coconut producers are suffering heavily. industries of this country to develop Perhaps, the hon. Minister himself so that the standard of living of the knows what is happening in Malabar. worker may improve. We must, there The situation there is fraught with fore, have a new approach—a new out dangers. look. Let us not go on in the old rut of 1931. Otherwise, the present House Mr. Chairman: No doubt the slump and the new set-up has no meaning. I in coconut affects a large part of the am sure the hon. Ministers of Com population. But we are not here deal merce and Finance will look into this ing with general tariff protection. matter and do the needful immediately. Hon. Members will have opportunity during the general discussion on the Shri Kasliwal (Kotah-Jhalawar): Budget to voice many of their griev The Tariff Board granted protection to ances and put forth the case of indus the cycle industry in 1949. While tries requiring protection. But let us granting protection they were definitely now confine ourselves to the items conscious of two facts. One was that within the scope of this Bill. the cycle industry was an infant in dustry; the second consideration was Shri Nambiar; I look forward for an that the cycle industry was an indus explanation from the hon. Minister of try in which there was considerable Commerce why this item is not included under-production. The Hind Cycles here; that is my grievance.. I do agree were supposed to manufacture one lakh in regard to the items included in the cycles in 1949; they were manufactur Bill; but we would like to know why ing only 60,000 cycles. The Hindustan a particular item has not been included. Cycles Factory were supposed to manu That is why I have given the history facture 50,000 cycles a year; they behind copra. were manufacturing only 30,000 Mr. Chairman: The hon. Member is cycles. And the production of the very enthusiastic and I can appreciate Calcutta Cycle Manufacturing Com it. But the item he mentions is far pany was almost negligible. The beyond the scope of this Bill. He can annual demand for cycles in our coun certainly have his say during the try is about five lakhs. I would like to general discussion on the Budget. know whether protection to such an. industry in which under-production Shri Nambiar: I now come to the still continues, should really be given. cycle industry. There is no doubt that I am not suggestmg for a moment that the cycle industry should be encour there should be no protection given to aged. But at the same time we ihould the cycle industry. But I would like see that the consumer is not bit. If to. appeal to the hon. Minister of Com for a cycle which is produced in India merce and Industry to see that pro and which is expected to serve for duction in respect of such a vital one year the consumer is asked to pay article like the cycle, which is the poor the same price as for a cycle produced man’s vehicle, does not fall or ttcat the 727 Indian Tariff (Second 28 MAY 1952 Amendment) Bill 728 producti'.m does not continue to re expenditure and working of that main as a sort of under-production. particular industry must be controlled in every possible manner. There is a There is one other matter to which I cry on all sides about nationalisation of would like lo refer. My hon. friend industry. Well, such industries ought to Dr. Lanka Sundaram, while speaking be started and run by the Govern about the industrialists, said that there ment themselves. Why should you should be a ‘behaviour clause’ for help the capitalists? I have got them. I do not know what he meant nothing more to say. But as my hon. by that. But I would like to draw the friend Mr. Krishnamachari is a new pointed attention of the hon. Minister Commerce Minister and he also knows to one particular matter. Certain many things as to how the Govern industrialists are in the habit of clos ment have been behaving in this ing down their factories. Suddenly, matter, I only ask him to be cautious one fine morning, they put up a notice and not to spend the money in favour at the factory door and say that the of the capitalists. factory is closed, because it is unable to make profits. This is a very re 11 A.M. prehensible practice, I must say. Shri Gampadaswamy (Mysore): I Thousands of workers are immediately would like to confine my remarks to thrown out of employment. And after the sericulture industry with which I sbme time they go before Government am associated since very long. I am and say “ If you want our factory to coming from a place, Mysore, which function you have got to grant us protection”. I would like to impress is the largest silk-producing area in upon the hon. Minister that if he is this country. Nearly 65 per cent, o f to grant protection to any industry he the silk in this country is manufactur is supposed to do it on the merits and ed in Mysore State alone. Nearly not as a favour nor just because some 1,15,000 acres of land are under mul body comes forward with a sledge berry cultivation., and the total yield hammer and says “ If you do not give of silk is in the neighbourhood of 290 protection I will close down the factory lakhs lbs. During war time and cer and I am going to throw thousands of tain periods after the war. many workers out of emplo3mient” . This is branches of the silk industry—^mul a point applicable not only to this in berry and cocoon production, reeling dustry but to all other industries and weaving of fabrics —all these which he may kindly keep in mind developed on a considerable scale due while granting protection. to the impetus given by high prices and the huge demand. But after the Babu Ramnarayan Singh (Hazari- war at many periods this silk industry bagh West): I know and I agree that had to face and suffer many setbacks. in the course of national industrial Today it has received the greatest development protection is sometimes setback in its life. An unprecedented necessary. But after seeing for a and sudden crisis. I may say a long time the behaviour of the depression, almost paralysing in its Government in this matter I have nature has driven this industry to the become suspicious. In the expendi brink of collapse and ruin. There ture of public income the Govem- has been a gradual, and today even a nient should behave as a trustee precipitant, fall in the demand for silk of the public money and should manufactures. And the cocoon spend the money in a just and proper market and the silkworm, seed market manner. But what I find, and what have been terribly dislocated in I have found Jor a very long time, is Mysore. As a result of this the sUk that the Government think that they * industry in Mysore, and also in many f re the sole maliks of public money other parts of India, has been put to and they spend it in the manner they great financial and economic hard like, just like water. In the crea ship. tion of new posts, new departments, and- in the matter of granting protec In this context I may submit that tion Government sometimes behaves the silk industry is the T>ride, joy and if Government is a pinjrapole for glory of Mysore. It has been res the favourites of the Government. ponsible to secure a fair name to This must be stopped. We k ^ w , and Mysore State. I may say that Mysore we have seen, that the sugar industry State would not have become so is a very prosperous industry. But famous today but for its silk industry. protection to the sugar industry has Its quality and standard are well been granted for a very long time. known throughout the length and Protection may be granted, and I say breadth of the country and well ap in certain cases protection must be preciated by foreign countries. Nearly grant^, but for a very limited period three lakhs of men and women are of time. At the sfime time, when employed in this enterprise. But to any protection is granted, the day this beautiful industry is un- •729 Indian Tariff (Second 28 MAY 1952 Amendment) Bill 73d [Shri Gurupadaswamy] fortunately on the verge of involun industry, that beautiful industry of tary liquidation, if I may say so. our land may be washed off once and Many mills have been closed. I may for all from the face of the country. cite a few instances. The spun silk In this connection, with a view to factory in Channapattana, which is the save the industry from collapse, I would only one of its kind in India, has been place a few suggestions before the hon. closed two months back and as a conse Minister. I know the problems of quence nearly 1,600 labourers have this industry because I have been been thrown out of employment. connected with this industry. I want Another silk factory at Kalkanalli to make a humble suggestion to him near Bangalore has been closed nearly to revise the present BiU and raise li months back. A third, a filature the quantum of protection by 20 per factory at Naraiipur has been working cent, over the existing rate. I also at a low ebb. Thus we may see that suggest that this quantum of protec the silk industry is in a state of crisis. tion should be continued for a period This is due to the step-motherly treat of five years at least. I could see ment, negligence, wavering and ever- that this protection is extended in the changing attitude and inadequate pro Bill till the end of December 1952 and tection poHcy of the Central Govern that indeed is a very small period. ment. The silk industry is in a state of The Government of India has been uncertainty today and the interests protecting this industry since 1934. I connected with the industry do not know, it is true. But I ask what is know the attitude and policy of the the use of such protection if it is not Government of India in this respect. .-adequate, bold and consistent. What Many handloom factories, power loom the Government of India is doing now factories have been closed in Bangalore. is that it is giving protection to the They have protested to the Govern industry in one hand and destroying ment of Mysore and that Government it in the other. has addressed a letter, I hope, to the Previous to 22nd January 1951, the Government of India about this and rate of duty on raw silk, cocoon and until today the Government of India siik y?.rn was 30 per cent, ad valorem is so lethargic and indifferent to this plus Rs. 12 Der lb; but the Government vital issue that they have not even on 22nd January 1951, modified and replied to the GovernmeiiT of Mysore reduccd it to 30 per cent, ad valorem about this. plus Rs. 6-8-0 per lb. And on silk spun yarn also a similar reduction I want to sumbit a few more . has been effected. This reduction was suggestions to the hon.' Minister. One entirely unwarranted in view of the of my friends remarked that the fact that all the branches of the indus artificial silk has been imported for try have not yet been stabilized. I many years into this country. I want may draw the attention of the House to know where is the necessity for to the fact that the Government of ■ importing artificial silk into this coun Mysore addressed a letter on the 27th try. Unfortunately, the Tariff Board -July 1951. to the Government of India and even the Central Government have stating that the import of foreign silk thought it fit to protect this artificial had had an adverse effect upon the silk industry in our land and the prices of the indigenous raw silk and Government of India is sitting quiet requested the Central Government and encouraging competition between that there should be an upward these two branches of industry. Arti- revision of protective duty. But the ' ficial industry is not our natural in Government of India did not carry dustry. It is not an industry which out the wishes of the Government of is imbedded in our land; it is an exo Mysore. Instead of tightening imports tic industry which has been brought of foreign silk, unfortunately the from foreign countries and that indus Government of India thought it fit to try should not be encouraged. I want liberalize the imports. Now, since the hon. Minister to put a stop to this -July 1951, the imports of raw silk, manufacture of artificial industry and cocoon, spun yam and fabrics have encourage the natural silk industry, been doubled and supplementary which has got great potentialities of quotas also have been granted. It is growth. And I declare on the floor an unfortunate fact. I must say that of this House that Mysore alone will this is a most tragic policy pursued be able to supply aU the requirements by the Central Government. This is of India, if sufficient attention and en -a policy devoid of all vision, fore couragement is given to this industry. thought, . planning and judgment. If Today the Government of India has -this policy is continued for a further been complaining that our silk require t>eriod of time, I fear that the silk ments are not adequate and they are 731 Indian Tariff (Second 28 MAY 1952 Amendment) Bill 732 complaining of lack of production. I volved in any international trade say this is all due to the wavering agreement and once you agree to a policy of Government and their negli certain standard of preferences, you gent attitude. cai^ot change it suddenly. Lastly, I wish to give a warning to This is not a relic of the Ottawa the hon. Minister. In case the Min pact; it 'is just done on a reciprocal istry does not move forward, in case basis. it does not act quickly, then the entire Dr. Lanka Sundaram: A backwash silk industry will collapse and he will be held responsible tmr that. Shri B. R. Bhagat; After referring to these two things, and coming to the Shri B. R. Bhagat (Patna cnm Bill before the House. I want to say Shahabad): In a Bill of this innocu two things on the protection given to ous nature, it is indeed a matter of the starch industry. Last time when surprise that matters of high policy this Bill came in the year 1950, douDis have been raised bv certain Mem were expressed that the mere granting bers sitting on the opposite benches. of protection to this important indus My hon. friend. Dr. Lanka Sundaram try. which is of such great importance said that the whole tariff policy should as a sizing material, will not do and be viewed in a more positive manner that the Government will have to see in relation to the whole fiscal and in that the industry receives the consti dustrial policy and he said that there tuent raw material, that is maize, is a lack of it. I am ready to join which has to be imported. In the con issue with him and say that if he ditions of food scarcity that is prp- refers to the Fiscal Commission Re vaili'^ in the country, no food material port and tT the Five Year Plan or to can be diverted to any industry of the industrial policy of the Govern this nature. So it was felt that unless ment of India, he will find not only the raw material was provided through an integrated system of fiscal and in imports, the mere grant of any pro dustrial policy but that a positive tection will not help this indu-stry. policy has been pursued by the Gov When we look at the results during ernment so far. In granting protec these two years, we find that things tion to industries the matter is. review have gone worse despite the protec ed in each case by the Tariff Com tion given to this industry and mission and the points that are taken this industry has been moving from into consideration or the standards pillar to post. Recently, due to the fixed for the grant of protection or the increase in the price of importer! quantum of orotection are reviewed maize from Rs. 563 per ton to Rs. 961, in detail in each case, whether it be the cost of production of this industry the quality of production or the esti has gone up. From the cost of pro mated demand or the cost of produc- . duction details given bv the Tariff tion. They are examined in each case Board, we find that in the year 1949-50, so much so that protection is never when this question was examined first granted on an ad hoc basis or in a and protection was granted bv tlie haphazard manner. He finds in the Provisional Parliament in March 1950, Bill a smell and an odour of the the cost of production was Rs. 41 per Imperial preferences and this was cwt. In the next examination made by supplemented by another Member. Mr. the Tariff Board, the ex-factory cost Nambiar. who saw in it the famous of production has gone up to Rs. 61*39. Ottawa preferences. What he said Whereas all other factors have re was that a higher ad valorem protec mained static, whether it is laboi’r tion was given to goods and manufac charges, or repair and maintenance or ture of U.K. than to goods and manu packing charges, the only increase is facture of other countries. Well, I do in the cost of raw materials, that is not know whether hon. Members are from Rs. 563 to Rs. 961 per ton. Also aware of it, but I may say that it is interest on the working capital haj» not in the spirit of the Ottawa pre gone up from Rs. 17 per ton to Rs. 25 ferences or the Imperial preferences. per ton. The cause for increasing the They are dead long, long ago. It is protection from 20 per cent, to the pre just on a reciprocal basis. If India sent rate is mainly the increase in the has given some preferences to the Bri price of the raw material, that is tish, well, India receives also some pre maize. ferences from them...... Secondly, if you examine the nature Dr. Lanka Siiiidaram: That is the of the requirements of the textile ghost of Ottawa. mills, it is found that sago flour com Shri B. R. Bhagat:...... and the histori petes very adversely with this maize cal legacy is there. As hon. Members are starch. The price of sago flour at pre aware that there are certain ethics in- sent v*aries between Rs. 28 and Rs. 36. The first difflculty was difficulty in 31 P.SD. 733 Indian Tariff {Second 28 MAY 1952 Amendment) BHl 734 [Shri B. R. Bhagat] getting raw materials. During these is of strategic as well as great im two years Government issued licenqe portance. Although the Tariff Board to the tune of 40,000 tons; but due to has yet to give its recommendation, non-availability not much could be and as an interim measure the exist imported. The production was to the ing protection is sought to be con tune of 3,000 tons of starch in the tinued, I would like to draw the atten year 1950-51. Another factor that has tion of the hon. Minister that our come into the picture is that the price aluminium industry is still in an infant of sago flour is so low that there is f-.n stage. There are only two manufac increasing tendency to use this as the turing concerns, one in Alwave and sizing material. From 50 per cent, in another in Calcutta. The Calcutta ly46-47— out of 50.000 tons used. 25,000 concern is more or less closed as it tons was sago flour— at present, sago has not received sufficient help. In flour is being used to the tune of o3 stead of taking up only a negative per cent. Government has to examine attitude and granting protection, there this question that in spite of the in is a necessity to find out avenues to crease in the quantum of protection improve it and find also other equip that this Bill seeks to give to this in ment. I agree with one hon. Member dustry, the doubts that were raised in who said that before we give protec 1950 stiU continue. Unless we solve tion to any industry, we should see the problems of imported raw material that all other help in the shape of md the competition of sago flour, the financial, technical and scientific help .ndustry will continue to face difficul is rendered to the industry so that it ties after difficulties. should not only stand on its own legs and serve the country, but it should The Association of Manufacturers of also set an example in bringing our Starch Industry have given a solution whole industrial structure to a sound that some substitute should be found. and stable basis. ' They have said that instead of manu- 'facturing starch from maize only, ex Pandit Munishwar Datt Upadhyay ploration should be made for the (Pratapgarh Distt.—East); A number manufacture of s+arch from tamarind of hon. Members have already kernel povi/der. For this, we have got spoken and a good deal has been all the facilities. We have got the raw said about almost all the industries ' materials inside the country. That is that are to be found here in the cheap also. Provided we develop the Bill. I shall confine .my remarks Quali'ty. we can find a good substitute only to the bicycle and grinding wheels for maize starch. The Tariff Board industries. But before I take ud the.s^ has gone into this question also and industries. I would like to submit that has also come to the < conclusion that there appears to be a certain amount it would be in the interests of the of misapprehension as regards the country, to auote 4.he Tariff Board’s object of the protection granted. It recommendation, “to establish a appears that the misapprehension i^ tamarind kernel powder industry on that the object of protection is to bene a sound footing” . There are at pre fit the manufacturers. As a matter of sent four manufacturing concern.s, one fact, that is never the object. Th'» in Bombay, another in Mysore, a third object of protection is to see that the in Ahmedabad and another in G w a lio r . industry develops successfull.v and It appears from the report of the (*omes to a position where it can success Tariff Board that these factories have fully compete with foreign industries a rated capacity of production of of the kind. The question of quality about 90.000 tons. At present, the has also been referred to by certain rated capacity of the starch manufac- hon. Members and they have argued , turing concerns is 58.000 tons. If we that because the quality is so i»o r, it are in a position, as the Tariff Board is useless to give protection and they says, to just develop this substitute have also suggested that this protection product on a sound footing, we would is mifc-used. Of course, it is possible be able to solve this- problem. While that protection is misused, but the agreein,g with the proposal to give an object of the protection is th''^ th^ increased protection to this industry, industries which are in the prelimi in view of the increase in the price nary stages, may successfully develop of maize from Rs. 563 a ton to Rs. 961, to a stage where they may be able fo I make +his submission that this also compete with foreign industries in reo- is not going to solve the problem. We pect of quality as well as price. have to find .some substitute, and the substitute is the tamarind kernel A certain hon. Member remarked powder. that the bicycles were the vehicles of With these few words, I shall next the poor man and therefore no pro refer to the aluminium industry which tection should be granted in r e ^ c l of Indian Tariff (Second 28 MAY 1952 Amendment) BiU 730 this industry. My submission is that They have been excluded from the list. that is the ground on which I support So I think all that was possible to protection for this industry. Because exclude has already been excluded in that case, this industry is really an and the grinding wheels that are being industry the use of which is made by satisfactorily manufactured and with the common people, people of small quite good quality I think should be earning. If that industry is allowed gianted protection. In this case also tc develop with the help of protection the extension of time has been sought to such a position that it may success and that extension upto December, fully compete with the foreign indus 1954, I think, is very reasonable. So tries, I think ultimately it will be to with these few words I would support the benefit of the common people, to that the grinding wheel industry and the people with little earning?. the bicycle industry should be allowed Therefore, the bicycle industrj" should protection that has been sought in the be granted protection. In the case Bill . of tnis industry, protection was granted in the year 1947 in the Shri T. T. Krishnamachari; At the beginning, and at present the duty is 70 per cent, ad valorem. The only outset I would like to express my suggestion is that the time from March gratitude to the hon. Members of this 1952 should be extended to December, House who have more or less without 1952. My submission' is that this exception supported the proposals time would not be sufficient, but contained in the Bill which is now because certain reports aj^ being being considered. I am also very awaited, probably this suggestion has grateful to hon. Members both on this been made lor only short extension. side and on the other side who have It will be necessary that protection shown a certain con^deration to me should be granted even for further personally. I najiflit say in this con years. nection that I ei^tii^y agree with my hon. friend from Bihar, Babu Ram Narain Singh, that this is a matter The other industry that I would which has to be watched very care suggest requires protection, as has fully. The attitude of Government been proposed-by the hon. Minister, is to this question of protection is one the grinding wheels industry. This which has to be determined according iryjustry provides processes for the to the needs of the time. I do not use of a number of factories. We think, speaking on a personal basis, have seen that a variety of uses is there is much difference in the ideo made of grinding wheels. They are logical outlook of persons like my.self used for sharpening processes and and those on my side and Babu Ram also in Railways, ship-building, found- Narain Singh. It is only a pity that .ries etc. There is no doubt that he is no lopger with us, that he has there is a great demand for these taken a seat elsewhere. wheels. The local manufacture is limited to only probably 50 per cent, Babu Raronarayan Singh (Hazari- of our consumption. And unless bagh West): I am always with you. some encouragement is given, this mdustry cannot develop and we shall Shri T. T. KrlshKamachari: I am also have to depend upon foreign markets, grateful to the hon. Member from as I see that the demand is about 500 Travancore, Shri ‘ Velayudhan, an old tons per year and the supply is hardly comrade of ours, who has been rather about 300 tons per year. The question of good to me personally. In this atmos quality was raised in this connection phere of friendliness and concord, it also. As regards our manufacture, I seems that there is no need for me find from the report of the Tariff tc go into details of the various ob Beard that it has been quite satis jections raised excepting to say that factory. The quality has also been careful note has been made of what very satisfactory. So I think if a hon. Members have said and the ques little encouragement is given for tions raised will be considered in some time, this industry might success their proper setting by my Ministry. fully compete with the foreign indus tries. At present the duty is 100 per But it would not be enough on ^ t . with five per cent, as surcharge. this occasion if I pass over with just That comes to 105 per cent. But then, these remarks. Because, I do propose the proposal is that it should be re to take up the points raised by hon. duced to 50 i>er cent. ad valorem Members who have cosnment^ on including the surcharge. I think that the provisions of the BUI very seriou*:- IS a moderate proposal and should be ly, and to begin with my hon. friend ^cepted. There!, is no ddubt tfiat from Madras Mr. Ramaswami raised there are certain grinding wheels the the question of the manufacture of manufacture of which is not economic. sago in Salem. 737 Indian Tariff {Second 28 MAY 1952 Amendment) Bill 738 [Shri T. T. Krishnamachari] The report of the Tariff Board which connection I would like to refer to is now under consideration and also the the queries raised by my hon. friend previous report of the Tariff Board from Uttar Pradesh, Mr. T. N. Singh. issued in 1950 on sago is a convincing He said, if the total estimated con proof that all that can be done by sumption of zip fasteners in this Governmental agencies is attempted country is in the regioti of seven to to be done and that there are certain 7-5 lakhs feet, why aUow two indus intrinsic defects in trade and private tries to be started— the Link Industry enterprise as a whole from which it with a capacity of nine lakh feet and cannot altogether escape. Not that the other Bombay Industry with a the Government is oblivious to the capacity of 18 lakhs feet? Well, needs of the sago industry of South logic has*no place really in motivating India—they are not. But a balance human activities. The warning, if ot consiaeraticns has to be struck, anything, has to be conveyed to those which I think is more or less generally who start the industries If the Home true of many commodities. Govern Industries in Bombay are alive to the ment’s position is that it has got to con fact that the potentiality of the mar sider the consumers’ interest first. Then ket is only 7-5 lakhs feet and that the question of establishing industries there is already an industry which in this country, not only for the can produce nine lakhs feet, then why purpose of industrialisation as a should they come in? Well, I think whole but also to save us foreign that in terms of the trade, those exchange which happens to be a very people are willing to take the risk and moot problem. It is merely a ques we do not want to prevent people from tion of a synthesis of these two con taking risk if they want to—we only siderations rather than any partiality give them some protection subject to for industries as such that makes other considerations. Perhaps these Government decide oji a particular industrialists feel that the potentiality policy. is much more than what the Tariff Board can envisage at the moment. My hon. friend from Madras, Mr. My hon. friend from Madras, Mr. Anandan Nambiar, who is not here, Alagesan said there seems on foot a said that Government are oblivious to scheme for devising saris with zip fast the claims of labour. I would at once eners. Perhaps if that f?^shion comgs deny that accusation because after the into vogue all the 27 lakh feet of zip consumers the interest of this Govern fasteners that can be produced and ment is certainly directed primarily even more might be consumed. Well, towards labour, and the question of that is not the primary consideration industrialisation or of the economic of Government: unless we feel that progress of the country comes only valuable material is being wasted, next.. It would be idle for any per that the foreign exchange position is son for the sake of political argument being endangered and things of that to find fault with this Government on sort which makes Government inter the basis that it has not the interest of fere. Government does not want to labour at heart. So far as my Minis interfere with private initiative in this try, is concerned I can say—it is not matter. a matter of a declaration of policy— that the question of the interest of My hon. friend. Mr. Arun Chandra labour in any industry which seeks Guha. the keen student that he is, has our help would get paramount consi put forward a number of suggestions deration in giving our help to that in that manner he has— characteristi industry even though the maior ques cally temperate and characteristically tion of industrialisation has to be his own. Hs has taken exception .to subordinated to it. my saying tiiat there are only two items which are of immediate con On the question of zip fasteners a sumer interest. I plead guilty to the lot has been said. I quite agree with charge. Probably at that moment— all that has been said by hon. Mem being rather new to this job—I forgot bers. It is a rather intriguing to envisage all the commodities which industry. It is something which we this Bill includes which havp an im are attempting in this country now mediate bearing on consumer interest. which is not so much of a necessity The points that he has raised, both in but a luxury which is now becoming regard to sago and starch and in almost a necessity. We cannot have regard to seri-culture, are more or a hand bag brought into this House less ap«?-w^'^red in the reports of the without a zip fastener—it is something Tariff Board, but I would neverthe inconceivable— and I am very glad less assure him that I have made a that thf'. House takes a very lively very careful note of all that he has Interest in this industry. In this said and in any future consideration 739 Indian Tariff (Second 28 MAY 1952 Amendment) EHU 740 of this matter the suggestions that So, it is a question of a balance of he has made would be borne in mind. considerations. We have to put the claims of another industry which de He has also mentioned the question pends on raw material partly produced of artificial silk, and though I am in this country and partly produced departing from the order of the elsewhere to keep it going and many speeches made I would deal with hon. Members of this House know seri-culture here and refer to the that one of the greatest responsibilities speech of the hon. Member from that my Ministry has today is how Mysore, Mr. Gurupadaswami, who, I to keep the handloom industry going see, is not here. Well, the position of and of our deep consciousness that the seri-culture industry is one with this industry should be helped and which the Government is seriously- should be made to live. It is there concerned. We know that the fore not a question of our either treat Mysore Government are very interest ing the Mysore seri-culture industry ed, though we do not know that the in a step-motherly fashion or ignor ■ Mysore Government take the hon. Mr. ing its claim, but it is a question of Gurypadaswami into their confidence merely sjTithesising the two claims to and disclose to him when they receive see that both sets of people live. a reply from the Government of India and when they do not. But that is The hon. Member from Shahjahan- neither here nor there. If the hon. pur in Uttar Pradesh referred to alloy Members would lead the report of tools and special steel. He is appa the TarifF Board they would find that rently an expert in this subject and the Tariff Board has been willing, knows the trade. I welcome his re more than willing, to help this indus marks and I can certainly assure him try. But in the face of fluctuating that my Ministry will consider any prices abroad, in the face of demands course of action to be taken in regard by conflicting interests—the handloom to this particular industry in the weaver who weaves silk and who wants light of his remarks when the appro raw silk at particular prices, the priate time comes. Here agsiin, there people who are engaged in seri-culture, is a very peculiar position. What is the basic industry, who want import meat for one person is poison for an of raw silk either to be prohibited or other. What is good for the alloy, locslly produced raw silk to be and special steel tools industry is heavily protected, well, the Tariff bad tpr the machine tools industry. Board could not but come to the con There are a few industries in this clusion that it has done that this country manufacturing machine tools industry shall enjoy the protection and they are languishing. Why? that it has all along been enjoying till Merely because they find that machine the end of the year and the matter tools which are imported sell at a can Pome up for review in June 1952. cheaper price than those that they can I would like to tell the House that make with the special steel that is this is a matter in which the Govern- being manufactured in our country, n:ent is taking very keen interest, and and if we have to deal with them there is a reference— not an official fairly, of course, some sacrifice will reference but certainly one of these have to be made by the industry which departmental references—that has gone manufactures these special steels. So, forward to the TarifF Commission, as once again it is a question of conflict of it is now called, to ask them if they claims. It is a very difficult situation will consider examining this question really to tackle. In fact, that matter of protection lor the seri-culture indus was brought to my notice very pointed try so that something can be done for ly recently by one of the officers the period after December 1952. of my Ministry and I could see that However. I would like to tell my hon. something has to be done with regard friend from Mysore that I do accept to the machine tools industry, parti his warning and that I am aware of cularly because Government is itself the ccinsequences of allowing an indus committed to starting an industry in try of this nature to go unprotected. Bangalore. We cannot, in the cir I take it in the snirit in which he has cumstances explained by me, alto cfTered that warning, not as a threat gether consider each question unila but as information given for taking terally. torn from the context, as action. But I would also like him being sMI^ing of very great im- to consider that the Government can ncrtanpt^ ' Important undoubtedly only look to one side of the industry. it is, btrt Tfi all these rases some other Our trouble in regard to import of factor comes in which has an import raw silk or import of artificial yarn has ance over and above other considera- been that there are other industries, tif»ns. I welcome the suggestions the handloom industry particularly, made by my hon. friend and I can ■which wants yam at particular prices. assure him that we will consider the 741 Indian Tariff {Second 28 3VEAY 1952 Amendment) Bill 742 [Shri T. T. KrishnamachariJ matter subject only to the proviso most follows that the Ministry must that there are other factors like the facilitate that industry’s getting the machine tools industry whose claims raw materials, but it is a trifle diffi also have to be considered. We do cult to give an assurance that we recognise that whatever may be the would go out of our way to secure needs of other subsidiary industries, raw materials for it. All that is the production of essential and basic possible on the Governmental level articles like special steel is a thing would certainly be done. v/hich is of great national and strategic importance. That weightage would I think I have dealt with most of the certainly be given to this particular points raised in the debate. In the industry in any future consideration end. I would only like to deal with Cf its claims, two points of a general character, both of which were touched upon by The question of cycles was men my hon. friend Dr. Lanka Sundaram. tioned by my hon. friend from Travan- I have taken them last, because criti core. Admittedly, the protection that cisms and remarks coming from a is sought now is for a very limited well-known publicist and economist period, both in regard to the cycle of the calibre of Dr. Lanka Sundaram industry and the aluminium industry. have to be dealt with fairly carefully. The Tariff Commission is now engaged In regard to this question of “ con in considering this subject and pro sumer angle” not being properly taken bably it will report by the end of the care of, I may tell him that provision year and we will come before long has been made in section 15 of the with a proposal to the House, perhaps Tariff Commission Act more or less either reducing the duty, or increas laying a duty on the Commission to ing it or maintaining it at the existing deal with this particular question and level. Incidentally, there is another I think a reference was made by my fact that has to be mentioned. Not young friend from Bihar, Shri B. R. only are there two major cycle pro Bhagat, to the Fiscal Commission’s duction plants in the country, but Report. That report has given an three new plants are going into pro important place tc the watching of duction almost very soon. One will the working of protected industries go into production sometime in the and it has insisted that protection middle of next month. These three once granted should be a matter of plants between them have a capacity perpetual and continuous scrutinj’, of three lakhs, and two of them are and it is because of these recommen produced under the auspices or rather dations of the Fiscal Commission I the cooperation of well known foreign believe that the framers of the Tariff manufacturers. The Sen-Raleigh Commission Act—during the stage concern has the support of Raleigh when it was a Bill— had put in a pro Cycles people and the T. I. Cycle vision expressly casting such an obli concern has got the support of Hercules gation on the Tariff Commission. Cycles people. There is a concern Therefore, I would like to tell my here, near Delhi, started by one of hon. friend that the consumer-angle the local industrialists, which is would be looked into. estimated to oroduce one lakh cycles ultimately. So, the Tariff Commis I think some hon. Member— I can sion, when it decides on this question not recollect who—mentioned about of protection, would be able to take the Tariff Commission being a harassed into consideration the possibility of body. this country having an optimum capa city for production of cycles,-say, Dr. Lanka Stmdaram: I did. lakhs or a little over four lakhs, and I can assure my hon. friend that I Shri T. T. Krishnamachari: I am shall make it my personal duty to see very much obliged tc him for mention that the claims of the persons who ing that, because I ought to be very use the cycle— and they happen to be much grateful to this House that it the maiority of the lower middle class recognises that many of the bodies —are givon due weight in the deter that are working under my Ministry mination of any future ppllcgr that we are harassed bodies and the number may brine ud before the U iiie after of tasks that we want to entrust to the reoort of the Tariff CoBftmisFion. them are increasing. Every day almost, we feel that if something is Mv hon. friend from Madras Shri difficult to decide upon we might refer Natesan adverted to the /ip fastener it to the Tariff Commission. At the industry and about brass strips to be same time, that body has got only supplied to it. Once we give protec three members and we have to increase tion to an industry, the obligation al its strength and I ara glad that I have 743 Indian Tariff (Second 28 MAY 1952 (Amendment) Bill 744 the support of the Opposition in tliis newness about it. Th^ only neW regard, so that when we come forward thing that we have done is that we with a proposal that the Tariff Com- have passed on the baby to th? ir.ission’s strength should be augment opposition camp and on this side we ed. that its technical staff should be have to reply to hon. Members. strengthened and improved, then I shall certainly count on the support I think our trouble is really a ques nf my hon. friend Dr. Lanka Sundaram tion of hangover of the past, and if whose powerful voice would, I trust, hon. Members opposite want to make be raised in my support for any pro use of it, they are welcome to do it— posal of that type. we cannot deny them the right. If any stick is good to beat the Govern My hon. friend again mentioned a ment with, the more sticks you can very queer word. He said some have from the lumber-room the better. thing about the^ “ behaviour” of the Dr. Lanka Sundaram: You know industrialists. As we understand where it hurts when it is used. this word according to the dictionar 3" meaning, it does not perhaps quite fit Sl»ri T. T. Krishnamsuihaii: I have in with what he had in mind. Pro no doubt my hon. friend perhaps refers bably he was referring to “behaviour to m3” past in a different capacity. ism”. I km'AV that a person who We know it hurts. At the moment iTins the Ministry of Commerce and the hurt is merelj’ of a very senti Industry must know quite a lot of mental nature— sentimental only if the many other things, and it seems now microscope is directed against it and that he should know something of it is magnified beyond all proportion. psychology—not only ordinary psycho Today the nomenclature ‘Imperial logy, but something of that peculiar Preference’ is meaningless, because type of psych olo^ which Dr. Watson the- Imperial Commonwealth no longer has brought into being. called exists. Today, in actual practice, by ‘ behaviourism”. I can assure my the oreference that we give to British hon. friend that I will tr}*" to study goods, the way in which it affects us that particular aspeqj of psychology is practically negligible. As my hon. and if any use could be made of it, I friend from Bihar mentioned, there may again assure him that I shall put are also certain other factors. We it to the best use. are getting some advantage—maybe it is a very small advantage, which is Dr, Lanka Sandaram: On a point of taken aw^ay because of the purchase- explanation. I did not mean any tax in U.K.— but the advantage is thing about the “behaviourism” of nevertheless there. industrialists. What I meant was a guarantee rlause or a bahaviour clause I quite concede that my hon. friend’s to the effect that after getting pro objections have a basis in facts but tection they will deliver the goods as they are sentimental than real. Of expected by Government. course as members of Government we must give consideration to senti Shri T. T. Krishnamachari: Well, mental objections as well. This is a from the high opinion that I have of matter which will perhaps bo ulti- , my hon. friend’s power of expression mately solved in sc-me manner when ' and thought I thought it was some the whole ouestion of India’s com thing more subtle than what it looked. mercial relations with U.K. i.*? review ed. The question of reviewing the I come to the final portion of this reJationshio with other countries by discussion and perhaps a very crucial means of bilateral treaties is a normal one. My hon. friend Dr. Lanka procedure. Negotiations are always Sundaram end my hon. friend from going on with certain countries and Taniore district, Mr. Anandan within a measurable distance of time Nanibiar. referred to the question of we may be able to come to some Imperial Preference. I am glad to agreement even with U.K. and the have had the support of two hon. question of Imperial Preference may Members on this side. We are not or may not exist then. new to this game. It is a baby which we probably handed over to But at the saipe time there is an hon. Members opposite. If I can even other factor also. We are oarties to say without any disrespect to the ari agreement called the GATT and Chair, the Chairman himself used to that agreement would not permit us refer to this question often in the past in the future to give any preference a^nd there -have been times when I we want to. Perhaps, that is one of have also done it in a different capa the reasons why these things are city. So, though the House is new, being continued, because there are and there is a new orientation about in them certain advantages both to it, I do not think there is very much BiitaiH and to us. I can assure my 745 Indian Tariff (Second 28 MAY 1952 Calcutta Port 746 Amendment) Bill (Amendment) Bill [Shri T. T. Krishnamachari] hen. friends Dr. Lanka Sundaram and Mr. Chairman: The question is: Mr. Anandan Nambiar that this is “That the Bill be passed.” a matter which is engaging the atten tion of Government constantly and The motion was adopted. if preference in any particular item or series of items operates against the interests of the country, we shall CALCUTTA PORT (AMENDMENT) terminate the agreement. I can give BILL no further assurance at this stage, , except to say that we have not lost ' The Minister of RaUways and sight of this question. Transport (Shri L. B. Shastri): 1 beg to move: . I think I have dealt with most of the objections raised. I would once “That the Bill further to amend again express my gratitude to hon. the Calcutta Port Act, 1890, be Members for the very kind reception taken into consideration.” they have given to my Bill and I hope This is only a consequential amend they will accept the motion for con sideration. ment because owing to the regrouping of the Railways, the names of the 12 NOON Reilways have changed. The E.I.R. and B.N.R. and certain portions of Mr. Chairman: The question is: other Railways have been regrouped under the names of the Eastern Rail “That the Bill further to amend way and the North-Eastern. Railway. the Indian Tariff Act, 1934, be Instead of the General Manager of taken into consideration.” E.I.R. and B.N.R. other officers who are now concerned, the General The motion was adopted. Manager of the Eastern Railway and the Director of the Railway Board cX Mr. Chairman: As regards the Calcutta, will represent the Railways amendments, I am afraid all the on the Calcutta Port Commission. The amendments are out of order. Under Bill is a non-controversial one and I the Constitution no measure can be have therefore nothing more to add. introduced or an amendment tabled or moved, which seeks to impose addi Mr. Chairman: Motion moved: tional duty or impose increased taxa “That the Bill further to amend tion. except with the sanction of the the Calcutta Port Act, 1890, be President. tal^en into consideration.” Shri Gnmpadaswamy: My amend Shri A. C. Guha (Santipur): The ment only seeks to extend the period hon. Minister has said that this Bill is of protection. in consequenre of the changes recently Shri T. T. Krishnamachari: I have effected as regards Railway adminis assured the hon. Member that the tration. I think the last word in that ' matter is now being referred again in matter has not been said. I do not. a formal manner to the Tariff Com at this stage, like to enter into long mission and the Government will arguments, but I would only like to certainly do what it can. This pro remind the hon. Minister that there vision in this Bill is only temporary has been deep resentment in Bengal and we have not lost sight of the and as representatives of our consti matiter. Perhaps additibnal protec tuency, I think, it is our bounden tion may be recommended by the duty to express that feeling, which Tariff Commission. There is no prevails throughout the province, to need for him to press this. Having this Government and to this House. I tabled an amendment and expressed wish the hon. Minister were present his views and the desire of Mysore, in Calcutta on the 7th May when the he can now leave it to the Tariff Com hartal was observed with unique mission, , success. It was not organised by any political party—^the Congress, you can Clauses 1 and 2 were added to the understand, cannot be behind it; the Bill. Communist Party was not behind it —rather it opposed the...... The Title and the Enacting For mula were added to the Bill. Mr. Chairman: I am afraid the hon. Member is trying to enlarge the scope Shri T. T. Krishnamachari: I beg to of the Bill. move: Shri A. C. Guha: I will finish in five “That the Bill be passed.” minutes. Sir. 747 Calcutta Port 28 MAY 1952 (Amendment) Bill 748 Mr. Chairman: It is not a question Clauses 1 and 2 were added to the of time but of substance. My point BiU. is that this is a consequential amend ment in view of the fact that regroup The Title and the Enacting Formula ing came into operation on the 14th were added to the Bill. April, 1952. It is a settled fact. It Shri L. B. Shastri: I beg to move: may be unsettled, but so long as the regrouping stands the General Manager ‘That the Bill be passed.” of the East Indian Railway no longer exists. Under the Act, as it stands, Mr. Chairman: The question is: the General Manager of the East Indian Railway is there as an ex-offlcio Shn Nambiar (Mayuram): May I member. We have now, therefore, a submission about the hurry to find substitute. Otherwise, the with which you are rushing through Calcutta Pori Trust will go without even the third reading of the Bill? f the representation of the Railways. If in regard to the other matter the hon. iast reading may be postponed till the the Railway Minister agrees that the whole matter of regrouping should be M discussion. reviewed or rescinded or the old status Why should everything be finished ...... quo should be restored, this will arlso be amended. This is only to prevent hon. Member wiJI kindly weigh his a lacuna or to bring it into line with words before uttering them. I aik the arrangements that have already through any Bill. When taken olace. I therefore, feel that hon. Members feel that there i. Shri L. B. Shastri; The representa it®°has"afrkdy^?en^^^^^ tion of the Railways on the Calcutta Port Commission is really urgent and I ajn sorry it cannot be postponed. But 3 ^ m » " 1 " n \ r slVThit of course I can assure the House that if there is any change in the scheme of L“th?hi;^. ^r„isTef-;;:fo it." regrouping, well, this Bill can be easily ampndpd and there will be no amlSds""” - has made special difficulty. point I Mr. Chairman: The question is: Mr. Chairman: Very w#»ii “That the Bill further to amend question Is: ^ The the Calcutta Port Act. 1890. be taken into con«;ideration.” “That the Bill be passed.” The motion was adopted. The motion was adopted. 749 Essentvil Goods (Declaration and 28 MAY 1952 Refpdation. of Tax on 750 Sale or Purchase) Bill ESSENTIAL GOODS (DECLARATION imposed uniformity. Then it biecame AIvD REGULATION OF TAX ON evident that a certain amount of SALE OR PURCHASE) BILL. Central control on the imposition of sales taxes by, what were then, Pro The Minister of Finance (Shri C. D. vincial Governments was essential and Beshmukh): I beg to move: it was with this end in view that the Ministry of Finance addressed the “ That the Bill to declare, in various Provincial Governments in pursuance of clause (3) of article the matter in April 1949 and, after a 286 of the Constitution, certain careful consideration of the reactions goods to be essential for the life of the Provincial Governments, it was of the community, be referred to decided to introduce an amendment in a Select Committee consisting of the Draft Constitution of India which Shrimati B. Khongmen, Dr. Ram was then under consideratign, provid Subhag Singh, Shri Tulsidas Kila- ing for a modicum of Central control.. chand, Acharya Shriman Narayan This amendment was‘adopted by the Agarwal, Shri P. T. Chacko, Shri Constituent Assembly of India as a B. Das, Shri Gurmukh Singh new article, namely, article 286 and it Musafir, Col. B. H. Zaidi, Shri S. is to give effect to one clause of this V. L. Narasimham, Shri S. V. article that this present Bill has been Ramaswamy, Shri G. D. Somani, introduced. Article 286 of the Consti Shrimati Sucheta Kripalani, Shri tution consists of three clauses. Clauses Rajara?! Giridharlal Dubey, Shri 1 and 2 provide that no sales tax can Keshav Dev Malviya, Shri Arun be levied by the States on goods in Chandra Guha, Shri Liladhar the course of export outside or iruport Joshi, Shri Balwant Sinha Mehta, into the territory of India, on the Shri Dev Kanta Borooah, Shri sale or purchase of goods outside the Sarangadhar Das, Shri Mahavir state and on sale or purchase of goods Tyagi, Shri M. V. Krishnappa, in the course of inter-state trade or Dr. Shaukatullah Shah Ansari and commerce. However, in respect of the the Mover with instructions to last restriction, the President allowed, report by the 12th June, 1952.” under the Sales Tax Continuance Sales tax was developed as a major Order 1950, the continuance of such source of State income soon after the taxes UD to the 31st March 1951 as cessation of the last war, partly to were by law in force before the com finance the ever-increasing expenditure mencement of the new Constitution. of development and partly, principally This order expired on the 31st March after 1947. to make up for the loss of 1951, so that clauses 1 and 2 of article revenue on prohibition. In the initial 286 came into full operation with effect stages of this tax it was confined to from the 1st Aoril 1951. A great retail sales and to consumers in the many representations were received by Provinces. But subsequently the the Government of India that the States started attempting to levy this State Governments were levying sales tax on items entering into inter-State taxes in contravention of the provisions trade and commerce, on export and of the Constitution of India and import trade, and on important indus requests were also received from trial raw materials like coal, cotton, various quarters, official and un jute, steel, etc. These attempts, as was official, for the correct interpretation to be expected, resulted in conflicts of article 286 of the Constitution. We with the other Provincial Govern obtained legal opinion and advised the ments, and more especially with the State Governments, so that the®respec- Centre who desired to intervene in tive Sales Tax Acts were brought into the wider interests of national trade conformity with the Constitution so as and commerce. As an example of this to avoid the possibility of a taxpayer conflict I might cite the Bihar sales challenging the levy in a court of law. tax on mica and the Madras sales tax According to our information, most of on tea. It was natural, therefore, that the State Governments have taken some attempt should be made to settle action to make the necessary adapta these issues, and that attemot was tions and modifications in their respec made by way of a Finance Ministers tive laws in force, although some Conference which was held in October, complaints continued to come. 1948. It emerged that there was Coming to clause (3), the main general agreement that certain conven object of the legislation is to prevent tions might be established to achieve the States levying sales taxes on uniformity in sales taxes and to important industrial raw materials like exempt certain essential articles— coal, cotton^ jute, steel, etc., which by although a number of States, including the very nature are produced in certain some which derived important revenue parts, but used all over the country from this, found themselves unable to and on essential consumer goods or agree even to this measure of self- pommodities like foodgrains, coarse 751 Essential Goods (Declaration and 28 MAY 1952 Regulation of Tax on 752- Sale or Purchase) Bill cJoth and this has been all the more [M r . S pea k e r in the Chair] necessary in the present context. In pursuance of a decision which Govern The restrictions under clauses 1 and 2 ment took about a year and half ago, have already adversely affected the a list of commodities which we consi sales tax revenues of various States dered as essential for the life of the and we feel that they cannot afford community was drawn up and circulat any further loss, especially in view o f ed in January 1950 to the State the present financial stringency and Governments for their comments. particularly when they are on the eve The whole matter was then considered of incurring heavy development in the light of the representations expenditure. The loss on account of which we received from the public and the operation of clauses 1 and 2 of associations as well as States and that article 286 on a total of about Rs. 45 occupied us for about U years. We crores has been estimated at about five made sure that all’ shades of opinions to ten per cent., the figure, of course, were thoroughly looked into and that varying from State to State. It is any legislation that we wished to bring necessary here to make a few observa forward represented the minimum of tions in regard to the effect which this common consent for the range of goods enactment will have on the levy. The to be declared as essential for the life Law Ministry have advised that article of the community. As might have 286(3) will apply to items only after been expected there was a wide diver certain goods have been declared by gence of views in the matter, but we Parliament by law to be essential for found that, on certain common items, - the purpose. Also, when a pre-existing. the majority of opinion was more or State or Provincial Act empowers the less in accord and that is how we have withdrawal of an exemption or en prepared this list of essential items. hancement of a rate of the tax by rule The proposals were finally approved or order made under the Act, this in May 1951 and the Essential Goods proposed Act of the Parliament will (Declaration and Regulation of Tax not affect that power. In view of this on Sale or Purchase) Bill, 1951, was legal advice, the present Bill, clause (3). introduced in Parliament in June 1951. has been so framed that after its Owing to other important legislative enactment it will apply to items dec work, this Bill did not come up for lared as essential only in respect of discussion and lapsed. It was, there new levies, or increase of existing fore, re-introduced on the 16th May levies on such items. In other words,, 1952 and is now before the House. the State Governments will be compe tent to continue to levy such sales tax The main object of this legislation as they do prior to the enactment of is easily described. It is to prevent the proposed Bill. This means that they are not likely, just by the opera essential goods being unduly taxed and it is to achieve a certain measure of tion of this piece of legislation, to suffer any loss in their present revenue uniformity in the taxes. It is clear from sales tax. that if a large number of goods are added to the Schedule of goods declar It would be noticed that there are a ed essential for the life of the commu number of essential articles or commo nity, the disparity in taxation of goods dities, at least articles which could be in the various States is likely to regarded by some people as essential, remain. The States were allowed one which have not been included in the year to adjust their Sales Tax Acts to Schedule to the Bill. Prominent be re-cast in conformity with the pro among such articles are meat, fish, visions of the Constitution and there electric energy for domestic use, jute, after the restrictions laid in article 286 paper, newsprint, books, etc. In regard were to come into force as early as to uniformity, apart from the range of possible. So, if this Bill is en a cts, it articles, which are subject to the tax, will secure a certain minimum measure there are certain exemption limits of uniformity in the various States, expressed in terms of money. But, in that it will prevent essential goods they vary over a wide range from’ being unduly taxed in future. There State to State. It is difficult to draw is another consideration which we any hard and fast datum line. Broadlv had to bear in mind in drawing up speaking, the limit had been pu't the schedule of essential articles. We higher in States with a multiple point had to give due regard to the consi tax than in States with a single point deration whether the State Govern tax. We find that the pattern of the ments are not embarrassed from the sales tax varies from State to State revenue point of view by our unduly according to the peculiar conditions widening the scope of the schedule. It prevailing in the individual States. In has become one of the major sources of some, the incidence of sales tax is very revenue, which could be described as much higher than in other States. The elastic to the States. actual collections are naturally poor in 753 Essential Goods (Declaration and 28 MAY 1952 Firing on Railway 764 Regulation of Tax on Employees at Gorakhpur Sale or Purchase) Bill [Shri C. D. Deshmukh] comparatively backward States with a Mr. Speaker: Motion moved: . small proportion of urban population. “ That the Bill to declare, in Probably any excessive attempt to pursuance of clause (3) of article standardise the sales tax in all the 286 of the Constitution, certain States will involve considerable adjust goods to be essential for the life of ment in tax rates, exemotion limits, the community, be referred to a etc. Such adjustments may actually Select Committee consisting of cause other hardships to the local Shrimati B. Khongmen, Dr. Ram population or loss of revenue to the Subhag Singh, Shri Tulsidas Kila- State Governments concerned. On chand, Acharya Shriman Narayan these grounds, it may not be desirable, Agarwal, Shri P. T. Chacko, Shri even if it were to be feasible from the B. Das, Shri Gurmukh Singh constitutional point of view, to enlarge Musafir, Col. B. H. Zaidi, Shri S. or aim at an excessive degree of uni V. L. Narasimham, Shri S. V. formity or standardisation. Ramaswamy, Shri G. D. Somani, Shrimati Sucheta Kripalani, Shri From the point of view of the Cons Rajaram Giridharlal Duboy, Shri titution, the position is that there is Keshav Dev Malviya, Shri Arun no enabling provision for the Centre Chandra Guha, Shri Liladhar Joshi, to take over this levy except under Shri Balwant Sinha Mehta, Shri article 249 on a resolution of the Dev Kanta Borooah, Shri Saranga- Council of States and under article 353 dhar Das, Shri Mahavir Tyagi, — emergency provisions— but, in effect, Shri M. V. Krishnappa, Dr. i;he taking over of sales taxes for any Shaukatullah Shah Ansari and purpose like standardisation, unifor the Mover, with instructions to mity and so on, can only be done with report by the 12th June, 1952.” the consent of the State Governments which I am afraid is unlikely to be FIRING ON RAILWAY EMPLOYEES given in view of the fact that this is AT GORAKHPUR the only expanding and important source of revenue left to the State Mr. Speaker: The House will now Governments after the losses of proceed with the half-hour discussion revenue which some of them have on points arising out of the answer voluntarily elected to suffer under the given on the 20th May, 1952, to starred head “excise”. question No. 56 regarding firing on railway employees at Gorakhpur. As Then the question arises: do we give we have started five minutes late we up any attempt at rationalisation shall sit five minutes late and make which it is universally recognised will up the thirty minutes’ time. be in the interests of the country at large or in the general economic Shri A. K. Gopalan (Cannanore): interest of the country? The answer This question is a matter of very great is that we can only have recourse to public importance. I have got two persuasion. We may bring persuasion petitions said to be copies of petitions to bear on State Governments in the sent to the Prime Minister and the matter of some kind of uniformity of Railway Minister, one bv the leader of rates of tax, exemption limits, ranges the delegation and another by the of commodities tax, the mode of taxa father and widow of the late Shri Jiva- tion and so on. There are beginnings nand who was killed on 24th May in of such uniformity as for instance in the Gorakhpur firing. the matter of taxation of luxuries. It is our intention at an appropriate According to these reports, briefly, moment to call together the Fijiance the incident was as follows: Ministers of the various States as soon “ On 23rd April 1952 a peaceful as it is feasible in order to pose the demonstration waited upon the problem of rationalisation before them C.O.P.S. to oppose shifting Claims and to take counsel. We realise that and Rates Bra^nches work and to any significant modification will neces press upon the C.O.P.S. to confirm sarily involve a review and survey of all the temporary staff who have at the whole field of the financial resources least served for more than 2 years. of States. At the moment there is a likelihood of that field being affected The C.O.P.S. asked the de by the findings of the Finance Com monstrators to send their mission. It may be after receipt and representatives to him. One Shri acceptance of the recommendations of T. N. Shastri was sent in. But the Finance Commission that the time immediately to the surprise of the will be appropriate for comparing notes demonstrator the C.O.P.S. was on the question of the rationalisation seen chasing the said clerk out of of sales taxes in India. his office uttering most abusive 755 Firmg on Railway 28 MAY 1952 Employees at Gorakhpur 756 languages. Furthermore he man Railway and I presume it was that handled the said clerk before the misbehaviour that started with the demonstrators. The demonstrators railway official that was responsible. then proceeded to G.M. to put this So, in view of the fact that a railway unhappy incident before him. The official is concerned witH the incident, G.M. turned- the delegates out of I have thought it proper to admit this his office compound and called for discussion; otherwise, if it were merely police. The D.M. came in with a a case of law and order and firing by number of armed constables, he the police, howsoever sympathetic I may ordered the demonstrators to get have been, I would have regretted that out of the G.M.’s office compound. the matter could not be discussed here The demonstrators obeyed his and said that the proper forum was orders and went out on the Road, the U.P. Legislature. and as they were about to disperse the D.M. caught hold of T. N. Shri Vela3Tudlia!i (Quilon cum Mave- Shastri and arrested him which likkara—Reserved—Sch. Castes): Even followed to further 9 a’rrests. This if the firing be on railway employees? was a pure and simple provocation by the T.M., G.M., and the D.M. Mr. Speaker: It may be any employee. The demonstrators dispersed and It is they who are responsible for law the following morning i.e. on 24th and order. The Central Government April 1952 the clerks formed a de might, if it thought so, take up cudgels monstration and were marching to on behalf of its employees, but, on law the G.M.’s office through Loco and order aspects, the position is very Works-shop Gate in protest of the clear. Since the high-handedness of arrest of the above mentioned 10 a railway official was alleged, I thought persons. But in the meantime the House may know what the facts are. they were checked on their way by But so far as the conduct of the Police the P otce and D.M. The latter, or the D.M. is concerned, it will not be without giving Warning, ordered proper for us to enter into a discussion for mass arrest and within few on that aspect, except to get from the minutes about 61 clerks were hon. Minister such facts as he can give. arrested, brutally dragged and by force showed in two lorries. Shri A. K. Gopalan: I do not want to say an 3i;hing about the firing or the On 25th April 1952, when a conduct of the Police or the District demonstration was marching to Magistrate. I want to show that the wards T.M.’s Office very peacefully General Manager is responsible for it was brutally Lathi-charged by this incident. According to this oeti- the Police and fired upon by the tion. when the clerks were approaching orders of the D.M. In all 22 rounds him to place their representation before were fired. As a result of which 2 him, he called the District Magistrate. died (one on the spot named As General Manager, it was his duty, Sukhoo and the other in Hospital) when 700 clerks came in a deputation, and their dead bodies were not to receive them and give them a reply even delivered to their rightful to their representation. Instead of do owners m spite of their demanding ing that, he brought the police. On one to perform their rites and 17 men day one man was arrested; the next got severe injuries. This gave rise day 61 persons were arrested; and on t9 further deterioration of the the third day. even without seeing situation. As this firing was de their petition or hearing their reore- liberately done is evident from the sentation. firing was resorted to. For fact that the D.M. had said to Shri three days consecutively from 23rd to Smghasan Singh M.P., Congress 25th the General Manager resorted . man, that he wanted a show down to the Distrirt Magistrate’s helo and in this case and that he was pre the police’s help. The General Manager pared to meet every consequences, without any responsibility brought the prior to firing.” police and he was thus responsible for the incident. Mr. Speaker: Order, order. I may Whenever such firings take place, and just invite the attention of the han. when the responsibility for it is that Member to one aspect of the case. So of an officer under the control of the far as the conduct of the oolice is Central Government it is certainly the concerned, it is entirely a matter within duty of this House to see and the the jurisdiction of the Uttar Pradesh Minister concerned to see what the Government. I have admitted the reasons are and whether the facts re question and also allowed the discus presented by the officers and by those sion because the point at issue, so far on behalf of the dead are correct. In as the Central Government is concern this case, the lives of two people were < ed, is the alle^?ed misbehaviour of a lost and all because only on a repre high official towards the staff E I sentation of the clerks firing was 757 Firing on Railway 28 MAY 1952 Employees at Gorakhpur 758 tShri A. K. Gopalan] lives, of human beings hours and their dying declaration taken so cheaply. especiaUy by an could easily have been taken. It is Government alleged that the bodies of the dead tTerks listening to the were not handed over to the relatives, because the General Manager wanted to hide the whole thing. We, therefore, request -that there must be an impartial judicial enquiry about the whole incident. When workers represent their grievances, it must not be returned with bullets and n iwf u General Manager get the lathis. Even if the authorities cannot do anything, their representation must to'ok ’nl unhappy thing TTnll human lives were lost? at least be heard personally. If the Unless such enquiries are ordered General Manager could not do anything, General Manager or other ^ he should report to the Minister so ponsible officer under this Government that such things may not happen. anH o^der firing Mr. Speaker: Hon. Members will umuly and we had to resort to firing” bear in mind that the discussion is limited to thirty minutes. Mr. Gopalan has taken about 12 to 13 minutes. t h ^ ’ h iri because I cannot do Therefore, members who want to put the^ th rG in ^ ” 'i°!!i^ questioning whe- questions will first give time to the yutydutv to seelo these people whena hon. Minister to have the facts from ^pproached him? Had he his side ^ laid before the House. behaved weU, this thing would Then, under the rules, only those -Srh r ^®PP®^ed. Not only thaf persons, who have given intimation or w a ^ b ^ f situation notice about participation in the dis w fn .should have wired to the cussions, will be called upon—time Minister and taken his advice permitting—to put questions or ask for Had this been done, the firinc anri further explanations and clarification. avoidld°^Tf^^® ^ th would have been ^ ?;• clearly stated in Shri Sinhasan Singh (Gorakhpur the petition that the District Magistrate Distt.— South): I v;ant to say a few Tnd GenerafSJIer words because.I was an eye-witness of and the latter brought the D M to the whole thing. iFoubJe. The action of the Genpral Mr. Speaker: Has he given notice? a L T lT l ^l^is case Shri Sinhasan Singh: No, Sir. t^yinl to “ ^tead ot trivin? th ® deputatlonlsts and fh- some reply, he acted in Mr Speaker: Then he has no right to take part in the discussion. on^h?^fi''"f; arrests kL 1 u this matter been brought to the notice o?^ the The Minister of Home Affairs and Railway Ministry or the Minister here States (Dr. Katju): This discussion, .t^he incident of the 25th would not I submit, is misconceived. The com plaint is really about what happened General Manager, lead, provoked the workers. He on the 25th of April with which the provoked the entire incident and he General Manager has nothing to do. -was responsible for the firing. It was entirely a concern of the District Magistrate and the Superintendent of Police and other people who were What I request is that an official responsible for the preservation of ^nquiry, an or»en, judicial enquiry, peace. may be made into this incident, so that •af^r haDpen here So far as the General Manager is ' * -a incident has led to concerned, he came into the picture considerable agitation and petitions only on the 23rd of April. Now', in have been received from the relatives order to save time, what I propose to do is to place before the House one General Manager did not even take or two passages from the report of the dymg declaration of the deceased. enquiry made by Mr. Hifazat Hussain, When the wounded were sent to the who is one of the most senior offlcers hospital, the General Manager insisted of the Uttar Pradesh Government. He that no treatment r.hould be jSiven to is a Commissioner and he had perso them in the hospital. The deceased nally nothing to do with this affair at were in the hospital for more than ten all and he held the enquiry in a most 769 FiHng on Railway 28 MAY 1952 Eivployees at Gorakhpur 73 > impartial manner. He went to the section 144 of the Criminal Procedure spot on the 2nd, 3rd and 4th of May Code. and he visited the site. He examined On the 24th that order was disobeyed no less than 21 witnesses of whom and there was a long procession, a large seven were iniured and whom he number of people gathered together, examined in the hospital. and they wanted to interrupt and So far as this attack on the General interfere. The District Magistrate Manager is concerned, to be quite ac went and made some arrests. curate, I should like to read ^rom On the morning of the 25th the paragraph 9 of Mr. Hussain’s report. situation was that thousands of people Dr. S. P. Mookerjee (Calcutta South attended. They wanted first to capture East): I suggest the whole report may the engine shed, so that they might be laid on the Table. dislocate all traffic. When the engme shed was cordoned off by the poUce, Mr. Speaker: It is no use laying it they went to the platform, and then on the Table now. He is iust giving they went to the east ca b in . The east extracts as explanation. cabin was cordoned off, and then there were brick-bats thrown in large Dr. Katja: Otherwise, I can say it numbers. The District Magistrate was in my own language; but this will be in danger, and he ordered firing. Some more authoritative: rounds were fired and men were m- jured. The firing was preceded by a “ There has been a continuous lathi charge. The lathi charge had no chain of agitation in one form or effect. And ultimately the crowds another by the railway employees at Gorakhpur and noisy demonstra ^^The charge was made that there tions were becoming a feature of was nothing done, that no care was their agitation. Recently, accord taken of the Wounded. I should like ing to the statement of the General to deal with this matter. The Com Manager, an agitation was started missioner says that after the end of by some temporary clerks and the firing the District Magistrate and members of the O. T. Railway the Superintendent of Police went over Employees’ Union to exempt the the ground with the intention of foiiner from appearing before the picking up such of the injured persons Railway Service Commission. as might be found there. They came When the Commission started work acro'^s no such persons. The statement on the 18th of April in the Junior from the iniured persons themselves, institute, their work was also who have said that they were taken hampered by noisy demonstrations to the railway hospital by their and man-handling of candidates, comrades, is corroborated bv the preventing them from appearing statement of the General Manager before the Railway Service Com that at about ten o’clock, that is with mission, with the result that the in half an hour of the firing, the attendance up to the 23rd of April District Medical Officer, Gorakhpur varied between 3 and 11, against phoned that sixteen persons had been over 50 men called per day.” brought to the hospital, eight injured Fifty men were called for examima- by bullet wounds and eight by lathi tion by the Commission, and only wounds. And instructions were given between three and eleven were allowed that immediate attention should be to approach the Commission. given to them and that they should be properly looked after. Tw’o persons On the afternoon of the 23rd 4pril succumbed to their injuries and the a crowd of demonstrators assembled rest got well. After the examination in front of his office at about half past of the entire evidence, the Commis five and demanded his presence outside. sioner comes to the conclusion as After an unsuccessful negotiation with follows: “ I unhesitatingly accept the some of the representatives of the statement of the District Magistrate demonstrators, and finding that their when he says ‘at the time I ordered disturbing slogans were continued, the firing, I was quite convinced in my General Manager telephoned to the mind that there was no other way to District Magistrate and the Super stop the mob in their fury to proceed intendent of Police to request them to towards us to overwhelm us’ and no take charge of the situation. And less than 17 persons of the railway thereupon the District Magistrate and staff and the Police were iniured by the Superintendent of Police came on brick-bats. The Commissioner further the scene and spoke to the men and states: “ My finding is that the firing dispersed them. Then they were ordered by the District Magistrate satisfied that the situation was grave was fully justified”. We are not and they promulgated an order under concerned with it here because that 761 Firing on Railway 28 MAY 1952 Employees at Gorakhpur 762* [Dr. Katju] Shri N. S. Nair: How many were is a matter entirely for the State police constables and how many rail Government. So far as the 'poor way servants? CJeneral Manager is concerned, I Dr. Katju: They were in the hospital respectfully submit that he was on the itself. The other persons were indoor scene on the 23rd April and it is a patients, whom the Commissioner remarkable proposiBon that if the found in the hospital. Otherwise, it General Manager is not able to dash was a question of railway servants. round the number of demonstrators, then he should go very quietly into his office and ohone the Railway Minister or the Railway Board here and and then ask for further instructions, if his post is in danger. The ;yoper ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ thing is to refer to the District Magis trate and ask him for protection. It f 3TT I is railway property; it is railway traffic and an engine shed and you [Shri Ramji Verma (Deoria Distt.- know that Gorakhpur is one of the East): I would like to know from the great headquarters of the Railways. hon. Minister whether there was post I therefore -submit that this point has mortem examination of the bodies of really no substance. those who lost their lives as a result of the firing?] Shri Telayudhan: May I know whether the District Magistrate him TTo self fired as well as the Police Officer? eft 13ft ^ ^ ^TTrTT t Dr. Katju: That is not so. The District Superintendent of Police said ^ ^ ^*t^ ^ t • specifically that as soon as he received instructions, he directed the fire to be [Dr. Katju: It must have taken place opened by the Police, but when the because, as a matter of rule, bodies District Magistrate saw that he him of such persons are generally subjected self was being attacked by two persons, to post-mortem.] he had a revolver and he shot. He, however, missed his mark. sft m s f t SRf : ^ ^ ^ Shri Velayudhan: May I know whether the ground, where this occur ^ ...... rence happened, was a cemented floor and there were no brick-bats or stones [Shri Ramji Verma: But so far as even within half a mile circumference my information goes this was not done of that place? in the case. One thing m ore...... 1 Mr. Speaker: That is a different Mr. Speaker: Order, order. The matter. - hon. Member is proceeding to question with regard to details. He can have Shri N. S. Nair^u’lon cum Mavellk- the information but he is going into kara): May I know whether the 17 details which are within the proper persons alleged to have been injured or exclusive knowledge of the U.P. by brick-bats also included the 16 Government. It is no concern of us persons injured by bullet wounds and as to what further things were done. lathi charges? Were they one and the We may raise questions so far as the same or are they different persons? Railway management is concerned. He may put other questions. Dr. Katju: Sixteen persons from the members of the public; 16 on the other 1 P.M. side by brick-bats and out of the 16 members of the public, eight by lathi «fr ^ ^ ’ft^yt charges and eight by bullets. Shri N. S. Nair: It was stated that the station personnel—16 persons— i were taken to the Railway hospital and it was also reported by the hon. [Shri Ramji Venna: Who were the Minister that 17 oersons injured were persons who took the injured to the also railway servants. That is why hospital and got them admitted there?] I had to ask for clarification. Dr. Katju: They were railway ITo servants, policp constables and other people. 763 Firing on RaUwtty 26 MAY 1952 £mplovfl«a at Oorakhput you were thixikinjj oi the General xvianag^r. qt?yt m «ri i May 1 jiist make one statement with [Dr. Katju: The report of the Com your permission, birV it was compiameu missioner reveais tnat tiie iojured tnai me District Magistrate and the persons were laKen to the railway General Manager aie icxativc*. ima, Hospital by their relatives.] 1 understand, is absolutely incorrect. The District Magistrate is Mr. C. D. «Ct ^ Dubey, iAi>. xne General Manager is Mr. G. li'ande. I understand there ^ ^ w i ix is no relationship between the two. *rt ? Siiri Velayudhui: Regar Sh ii A. k. tiopalaa: WiU the hon. Having referred to a document which Minister lay the>ceport of the Commis was the property of another Govern sioner on the Table of the House so ment, the hon. Minister should place that we can understand it? it on the Table. Dr. Jaisoorya (M edak): On a point of order, Sir...... Dr. KatJu: If it is the general desire of the House, I shall certainly lay it Mr. Speaker: There is no time now on the Table. I hope they will profit to raise a point of order. Will the by i t hon. Minister place on the Table a copy of the report? Shri N. S. Nair: On a point of order, Sir,...... Dr. Katju: I really do not know to whether a report, which is the property of the State Govermnent, can Mr. Speaker: No point of order now; be laid on the Table of this House. he may raise it next time when a discussion takes place. The half-an- Shri Velayndhan: The Minister hour is over. himself has referred to that. M r. Speaker: Order, order; that is The House then adjourned till a not the way of conductins the proceed Quarter Past Eight of the Clock on ings. I was making a request Thursday, the 29th May, 1952.