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立法會 Legislative Council LC Paper No. CB(2)1705/12-13 (These minutes have been seen by the Administration) Ref : CB2/HS/1/12 Subcommittee on Poverty Minutes of the sixth meeting held on Saturday, 27 April 2013, at 9:00 am in Conference Room 1 of the Legislative Council Complex Members : Hon Frederick FUNG Kin-kee, SBS, JP (Chairman) present Dr Hon Fernando CHEUNG Chiu-hung (Deputy Chairman) Hon LEUNG Yiu-chung Hon TAM Yiu-chung, GBS, JP Hon CHAN Kin-por, BBS, JP Hon CHEUNG Kwok-che Hon Alan LEONG Kah-kit, SC Hon LEUNG Kwok-hung Hon WONG Yuk-man Hon Frankie YICK Chi-ming Hon Charles Peter MOK Hon CHAN Chi-chuen Hon CHAN Yuen-han, SBS, JP Hon LEUNG Che-cheung, BBS, MH, JP Dr Hon KWOK Ka-ki Hon KWOK Wai-keung Members : Hon Albert HO Chun-yan absent Hon LEE Cheuk-yan Hon Abraham SHEK Lai-him, SBS, JP Hon Ronny TONG Ka-wah, SC Dr Hon Priscilla LEUNG Mei-fun, JP Hon TANG Ka-piu - 2 - Public Officers : Item III attending Mr Mathew CHEUNG, GBS, JP Secretary for Labour and Welfare Ms Jane LEE Sze-yan Principal Assistant Secretary for Labour and Welfare (Poverty) Ms Reddy NG Wai-lan, JP Principal Economist (5) Economic Analysis and Business Facilitation Unit Financial Secretary's Office Attendance by : Item III invitation Session One Alliance for Universal Pension Mr AU YEUNG Kwun-tong Organizer Kwai Fong Estate Elderly Rights Concern Group Mr CHUNG Hau-ping Member Chinese Grey Power Ms LO Siu-lan Chairperson Labour Rights Commune Ms CHEUNG Man-wai Member Care-taker's Concern Group Ms CHU Moon-chun Member - 3 - Kwai Chung Estate Residents Rights Concern Group Mr CHENG Biu Chairperson 利安邨利華樓互委會 Mr TSANG Lui-keung Chairman Grassroots Development Centre Mr NG Kin-wing Committee Member Hong Kong Association for the Survivors of Women Abuse (Kwan Fook) Ms XU Mei-qiong Shamshuipo Community Association Mr LAU Cheuk-kei Director Oxfam Hong Kong Mr HO Chun-kit Policy Officer The Lion Rock Institute Miss Janice FUNG Rui-xian Research Assistant Academic for Universal Pension Mr Nicholas CHAN Hok-fung Chairman Miss Christina TSAO - 4 - Elderly Welfare Group Mr LAI Ming-lai Member Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong Mr William MA Yik-yeung Deputy Spokesperson of Welfare Services Industrial Relations Institute Miss HO Yee-yan Organizer Women Workers' Cooperative Ms LAU Yee-wan Member Justice and Peace Commission of the Catholic Diocese Miss YIP Po-lam Project Officer Dr James Patrick VERE Hong Kong Association for Democracy and People's Livelihood Mr Pius YUM Kwok-tung Spokesperson Labour Party Mr TAM Chun-yin General Secretary The Federation of Hong Kong and Kowloon Labour Unions (Social Affairs Committee) Mr KONG Yat-fung Secretary - 5 - 人手比例不乎最低工資關注組 Mr WONG Kwai-sang Member New Women Arrivals League Mr WONG Kai-hing Campaign Coordinator 全民退保關注組 Mr CHIU See-poon 中港低收入家庭互助網絡 Miss CHOW Wing-chi Organizer 關注扶貧政策小組 Ms HO Foei-lin Member 關注綜援改革行動組 Mr Herrick LEE Yen-hao Member Session Two N. T. Evangelical Ambassador Mr Simon TAM Member Pastoral Centre for Workers (N.T.) Catholic Diocese of Hongkong Diocesan Mr YU Siu-po Acting Centre Supervisor - 6 - North District Employment Concern Group Ms Venny KWOK Convener Smart and Beauty Group Mr CHOW King Convener Civic Party Mr Patrick LEUNG Member of Eastern District Council The Democratic Party Mr LO Kin-hei New People's Party Mr Jason WONG Tsz-leung Policy Officer 天水圍爭取低收入家庭權益會 Ms CHAN Siu-kuen Member 爭取貧窮線定立於入息中位數六成會 Miss PANG Kit-ling Member Concerning CSSA & Low Income Alliance Miss YEUNG Pui-yan Community Organizer Ms CHOI Pik-kwan - 7 - 六成會 Mr LEE Tai-shing Community Organizer 葵涌邨基層關注組 Miss TSUI Yee-kei "I want low income allowance" alliance Mr NG Kwan-lim Tin Shui Wai Low Income Subsidy Concern Group Miss LING Zhi-feng Tin Shui Wai Community Development Alliance Mr KONG Kin-shing Social Worker Ms HO Shuk-yi 葵涌區劏房街坊關注組 Ms FUNG Kuk-ying Member 葵涌劏房住客聯盟 Ms HO Lai-chun Member Tin Shui Wai Parents Group Ms Carmen CHEUNG Representative Ms CHAN Wa-chun - 8 - Alliance for Children Development Right Miss LAM Man-wa Community Organizer Rights of Low Income Family Concern Group Miss CHAN Ka-yiu Organizer 反對閉門造車聯盟 Mr LI Ting-fung Member Ms HU Kwun-wing 1st Step Association Ms NG Yan-yee Centre in charge The Hong Kong Council of Social Service Mr Peace WONG Officer, Policy Research and Advocacy Concerning Urban Housing Rights Social Workers Alliance Mr LAI Kin-kwok Convener Clerk in : Mr Colin CHUI attendance Chief Council Secretary (2) 4 Staff in : Miss Karen LAI attendance Council Secretary (2) 4 Ms Judy TING Council Secretary (2) 6 - 9 - Miss Maggie CHIU Legislative Assistant (2) 4 Action I. Proposed overseas duty visit to Finland and Sweden [LC Paper No. CB(2)1036/12-13(01)] 1. The Subcommittee agreed that an overseas duty visit to Finland and Sweden should be conducted from 19 to 24 August 2013 to study their experience in alleviating poverty and addressing relevant problems arising from an ageing population, and the visit should be open to non-Subcommittee Members. II. Subjects to be discussed at meetings in May to July 2013 [LC Paper No. CB(2)1036/12-13(02)] 2. The Subcommittee agreed to the subjects to be discussed at the meetings in May to July 2013, as detailed in the paper prepared by LegCo Secretariat [LC Paper No. CB(2)1036/12-13(02)]. (Post-meeting note: The meeting originally scheduled for 20 May 2013 has been re-scheduled to 24 May 2013). III. Poverty line [LC Paper Nos. CB(2)1026/12-13(01) and (02)] 3. The Subcommittee deliberated (index of proceedings attached at Annex). IV. Any other business 4. There being no other business, the meeting ended at 1:15 pm. Council Business Division 2 Legislative Council Secretariat 12 August 2013 Annex Proceedings of the sixth meeting of the Subcommittee on Poverty on Saturday, 27 April 2013, at 9:00 am in Conference Room 1 of the Legislative Council Complex Action Time marker Speaker(s) Subject(s) required Agenda item I – Proposed overseas duty visit to Finland and Sweden 000340 - 000712 Chairman Members' agreement that an overseas duty visit to Mr CHEUNG Kwok-che Finland and Sweden would be conducted from 19 Mr LEUNG Yiu-chung to 24 August 2013 to study their experience in Clerk alleviating poverty and addressing relevant problems arising from an ageing population, and the visit should be open to non-Subcommittee Members. Agenda item II – Subjects to be discussed at meetings in May to July 2013 000713 - 000832 Chairman Members' agreement to the subjects to be discussed at the meetings in May to July 2013, as detailed in the paper prepared by Legislative Council ("LegCo") Secretariat [LC Paper No. CB(2)1036/12-13(02)]. Agenda item III – Poverty line 000833 - 001935 Chairman Opening remarks Administration Briefing by the Administration on the progress of the Commission on Poverty ("CoP")'s work in setting a poverty line. 001936 - 002251 Alliance for Universal Views that the Old Age Living Allowance Pension ("OALA") could not help address the problem of Chairman elderly poverty because the eligibility for OALA was subject to an assessment of income and assets, the best way forward was the introduction of a universal retirement protection scheme, and the Administration should work out a timetable and road map for the scheme. 002252 - 002552 Kwai Fong Estate Elderly Presentation of views Rights Concern Group [LC Paper No. CB(2)1026/12-13(03)] Chairman Views that the procedure for applying OALA was confusing and the front-line staff of the Social Welfare Department ("SWD") were not helpful in dealing with the enquiries of the applicants; and enquiry about the validity of an application for OALA if the application form did not carry the signature of a witness; and request for the introduction of a universal retirement protection scheme. - 2 - Action Time marker Speaker(s) Subject(s) required 002553 - 002728 Chinese Grey Power Presentation of views Chairman [LC Paper No. CB(2)1036/12-13(03)] Views that OALA was inadequate to meet the needs of the poor elderly and the best way forward was the introduction of a universal retirement protection scheme. 002729 - 003044 Labour Rights Commune Presentation of views Chairman [LC Paper No. CB(2)1036/12-13(04)] Doubt about the effectiveness of setting a poverty line to address the problem of poverty; and request for the implementation of appropriate measures to help the working poor, such as the introduction of a universal retirement protection scheme, removal of the "contracting out" system and increase of the hourly rate of statutory minimum wage to $35. 003045 - 003358 Care-taker's Concern Presentation of views Group [LC Paper No. CB(2)1046/12-13(01)] Chairman Views that CoP should make public its discussion documents to enhance the transparency of its work, and the Administration should introduce new taxation regimes such as progressive corporate profits tax and dividend tax to mitigate the situation where the wealth of Hong Kong was concentrated in the hands of a few people. 003359 - 003618 Kwai Chung Estate Presentation of views Residents Rights [LC Paper No. CB(2)1046/12-13(02)] Concern Group Chairman Views that the requirement of the signature of a witness on the application form of OALA complicated the application procedure. 003619 - 003820 利安邨利華樓互委會 Presentation of views Chairman [LC Paper No. CB(2)1046/12-13(03)] Disappointment at the slow progress of the Administration in introducing a universal retirement protection scheme. 003821 - 004132 Grassroots Development Presentation of views Centre [LC Paper No.