THE SENATE OF PAKISTAN DEBATES
OFFICIAL REPORT
Friday, the December 13, 2013 (99th Session) Volume XI, No. 08 (Nos. 01-13)
CONTENTS
Pages 1. Recitation from the Holy Quran………………….. 1 2. Questions and Answers…………………………... 2-25 3. Leave of Absence………………………………… 26 4. Point of order on Meeting of Council of Common Interests and Statement of Finance Minister on Different Subjects………………………………… 27-42 5. Calling Attention Notice on Islamabad Police Involvement in Criminal Cases…………………… 43-44 6. Point of order - Closure of Afghan Transit Trade Spoils Business of Khyber Pukhtunkhwa Exporters………………………………………….. 45-47
Printed and Published by the Senate Secretariat, Islamabad.
Volume-XI SP.XI(08)/2013 No.08 15 SENATE OF PAKISTAN SENATE DEBATES Friday, the December 13, 2013
The Senate of Pakistan met in the Senate Hall (Parliament House) Islamabad, at fourteen minutes past eleven in the morning with Mr. Chairman (Syed Nayyer Hussain Bokhari) in the Chair. ------Recitation from the Holy Quran „ fl‚ Í „ fl‚ fl ‚Í ‡ „ ‡ fl o3· · ∑ï…â∞3· ∑¥·· ¼¾“ `c;øú3· „ fl‚ Í Ó fl‚ ‚Í „ s· · Ć ∑µs· Ć ¼¾“· Ć ≥Ö · · Ë fl fl Ó ‡ fl fl Ó Ó ‡ fl fl flfl fl Ó ‡ fl fl fl Ó fl‚ Ó fl‚ ‡ ‚Í fl Ó fl fl 78 ØÑ;<· ŒÀ§ = ´Öµ»· `¥ M $ `%& ´Ö()· ŒÀ§ ≈µs<fi ∑¥· >`π±∞· · ¼¾“3 2h•»· `¥ ‡ fl Ó Ó ‡ Ó fl fl ‚‡Í fl flÓ Ó ‡ Ó ‡ fl‚ fl ‚ þ ‡ Ó fl ‡ Ó fl Ó fl ‡ fl Ó fl ý A ≥≠…±O ¼¾“3· fµù∏· 3M~S;3 >`π∞3 `Ω»`» ˙¦ Ð ≠KL3· Å»GH∞3· øº M A LzùcÁ · ∑¥· Í fl ‚ fl fl fl ‡ ‚ fl Í Ò flÓ flÓ fl flfl ‚fl ‚ Ó ‡ ‡ ‡ Ó fl ‚Í ‡ Ó fl fl Ó Ó fl bc`§ de øº Œ 3· 783· Œ A A<Œ 3· M -TµÖ∞3· ∑¥··· ≥≠®=~» ¼¾“3 \]† ß∞fi · `w ∑¥ غ ‡ ‡ fl ‡ ‚Í fl fl fl fl Ó › ‡ ‡ ÓÓ‚‚‡ fl fl fl Ó fl ‡‚ Ó fl fl Ó fl Ó‡ ro~gÓ ¼¾“3· bq3· M A ´±· d®Ó ∑¥‚· ØÑ< fc|S fl·· z©§ Høc|≠ ‡ » K3· M ˚¦ Ð Kgh§Xg fl flÓ ‡‚‡ flÓ ‡ fl‚ fl ‡ fl fl fl ›‚ fl ‚‡Í fl Ó fl fl‚ fl‚ fl fl ‡ Ó Œ M t `…∏z∞3fl Oø…KL3͇ ≥≠∏;vg‡ ‚ ŒÀ§ ßs ¼¾“3· zúM K3· >`π∞3 `Ω»`»‚ þ ¸¦ Ð<ø¥Œ 3‡ Ó ‡ ‡ Ó ‡ fl Ó ‚Í Ó ‡ fl‚ fl‚ ‡ fl ˝¦ ˝¦ Ð
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(a) the number of Pakistani students presently studying abroad in MBBS; and
(b) whether it is a fact that foreign MBBS degree holder Pakistanis were required to undergo only one examination paper for issuance of equivalence certificate up to 2011 but thereafter the examination for that purpose is conducted in three stages and twice a year, if so, the reasons for this change?
Mrs. Saira Afzal Tarar (Minister for National Health Services, Regulations and Coordination): (a) Till to date PMDC has record of 954 Pakistani students who are studying abroad in MBBS/BDS.
(b) Yes, it is fact that Pakistani nationals of foreign MBBS degree were required to undergo only one examination paper till 2011 comprising of two steps (preclinical and clinical) However, 2
after 2011 steps have been taking to improve the existing system of examination over a period of time. Now, as per Regulations. National Examination Board (NEB) is conducted twice a year in three steps. (Theory, Clinical, and Viva). It is further stated that to facilitate the students. PMDC is considering to conduct this examination thrice a year. This step is necessary for standardized / improvement in medical/ dental education system and is practiced around the world. Mr. Chairman: Any supplementary? J V J † :Pdl…I :> :> B=:>E H : PMDC :QB=p :2 ! XJ \s |}`[ kE :aAE : I[}`[ \`… 4i § [ f [ 5 7 `5 :ˆ¤M3BZ5`¥ :| 7 7 J 7 ^ \j † H «”„_F \ j 5 ^ :>„] ‚:=:XF [ i :> F Y:®3N:Uh :MBBS :@A]«[^ :čA =¬E :>H 3:©H A:b n[ :> …F :@AM:˘Xi j[ i :> A:|A:;:>‚5 nfi j5 5 5E • \ 7 7 J 7 J \ :±B:X[ f [ s :TB:2§ :A³f^ :A3:B=:2:
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Mr. Chairman: The matter is being referred to Special Committee to oversee the devolution process.
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Mr. Chairman: Next question No. 64. Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi.
64. *Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: Will the Minister for Overseas Pakistanis and Human Resource Development be pleased to state whether it is a fact that serious financial irregularities have been pointed out during the audit of the Employees Old Age Benefit Institution (EOBI) in the purchase of land in Lahore and Sukkur, purchase of commercial plots in I-8 Markaz, Islamabad, purchase of 388 official vehicles, award of contracts to various companies without observing the PEPRA Rules,
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if so, the action taken against the officers/officials involved in each of these financial irregularities?
Pir Syed Sadaruddin Shah Rashidi ( Minister for Overseas Pakistanis and Human Resource Development): It is correct that the Audit of Employeesã Old Age Benefit Institution (EOBI) has pointed out financial irregularities in the purchase of Land in Lahore and Sukkur, purchase of commercial plots in I-8, Markaz, Islamabad and purchases of 388 officialãs vehicles. The property in I-8, Markaz is subject of audit observations and Departmental Accounts Committee in its meeting held on 23-4-2013 has directed to keep the para pending till the satisfaction of audit by presenting a factual position.
As regards purchase of 388 vehicles, the Departmental Accounts Committee discussed the issue and dropped the para.
As regards action against the responsible officers, the FIA has initiated investigations into the purchase of Land in Lahore, and Sukkur. It has arrested the then Director General (Investment), Director (Investment) and the Ex-Convener of the Investment Committee.
The Honorable Supreme Court of Pakistan has taken a Suo Moto Notice in multi billion Rupees scam in the EOBI during the purchase of proprieties. The FIA has also seized the relevant record for their investigation which is still going on. Ministry of Overseas Pakistanis and Human Resource Development is not in a position at
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this point of time to provide specific details. As and when the case is disposed off by the Honorable Supreme Court and record is retrieved from FIA the details will be provided.
Mr. Chairman: Any supplementary?
Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: Sir, I would like to ask the honourable Minister that what is the actual amount held at this moment in EOBI? Is it not a fact that this should have been distributed to the provinces after the 18 th Amendment and except for the Supreme Court and FIA, has the Ministry itself initiated any disciplinary action against officials found responsible in financial misappropriation? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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X[ |}`[ :aA5 `5E :• :Z[`z… :| }`[ [` J J ”¥ 6 V E J c;A5E « :• :Z[ ` z… :˘•:5 :XJ [\s |}`[ k :aA5 `5E J • 7 J J † J J h J \s V kE J ”¥ \`… :2§ :A]S :>F :;5 E A « :2B<:25 n § :>d l :T 15 J J J J li J 7 J :FIRs :ˆ€:>n H :;5 … :> F :@=¹^ B:c X[\[` A:U=:Ñ Mr. Chairman: Next question No. 65. Mr. Abdul Nabi Bangash. J J ^ • 58 :cX[\ji :X [ \ ] :N= 5E = { :;5 E A« :x ½` 65. *Senator Abdul Nabi Bangash: Will the Minister for National Health Services, Regulations and Coordination be pleased to state the details of clinical laboratories in the country approved / authorized by World Health Organization? Mrs. Saira Afzal Tarar: There are no clinical laboratories in the country approved / authorized by the World Health Organization. Mr. Chairman: Next question No. 66. Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi. 66. *Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: Will the Minister for Information Technology and Telecommunications be pleased to state: 16 (a) whether it is a fact that irregularities have been surfaced in the project of extension of optical fiber on the Coastal Highway, if so, the action taken against the persons found involved in the same and present status of the cases; and (b) the estimated cost, date of initiation and projected time frame for completion of the said project? Mrs. Anusha Rahman Ahmad Khan (Minister for Information Technology and Telecommunications): (a) Irregularities in the project of extension of Optical Fiber. With respect to irregularities in the project of extension of Optical Fiber on the Coastal Highway, two fact finding inquiries were conducted. Based on these fact finding inquiries, on 11-10- 2013 the Ministry of Information Technology and Telecommunications approved regular proceedings under the Efficiency and Discipline Rules. An Authorized Officer in terms of the Government Servants (Efficiency and Discipline) Rules, 1973 has been appointed in this regard. (b) Estimated cost of the project: 627.137 M Date of initiation of project: 23-04-2004 Project Completed 2008 Mr. Chairman: Any supplementary? 17 Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: Sir, I would like to ask the honourable Minister that these irregularities have been committed and they were of huge financial implications and yet no action has been taken against anyone and their reply that has been given in a very stereo typed way that it falls under the efficiency and disciplinary rules, of course everybody in the world knows that it falls under the efficiency and disciplinary rules. My question was that what action has been taken against the persons found involved in the same and the present status of the case? The answer has not been given sir. Thank you. Mr. Chairman: Yes, Minister for Information Technology and Telecommunications. Mrs. Anusha Rehman Ahmad Khan : Thank you, honourable Chairman! I am very glade that Mr. Mashhadi sahib has raised this question. J J :•‘ AO : 3k8 : issue : TB: X[\s : Standing Committee : UH : National Assembly :N=E :>F :X [\s 7 :UH : Standing Committee : UH : National Assembly : V J •H J H W procedural mechanism :• :;5 … :LM:NA[`\5f :U :TB:UBM3:>H F :Standing Committee := 5E J V J 7 J J \sWJ 8s\† \ s \ ] ^ :status :A[`H :LM:2§ :A ³ k 6 =:>kF… :@B:3rB:>H F :X[[[ : J V JJ I 7 7 I J E J :=:©H _ :M:;[GI :‰A4^ :UH : NTC :3k8 :TB:>F : Ministry of IT :aB:X5 J y[` :>FF„ A`58 :> A ] 5^ :>?` :i j F J 8 H 8 † :X[ 3H : fact finding :U :TB:LM:2§ :>dl :A[`H : nominate :=H : Member (Legal) :>‚G B:3AH `li within the next two weeks he has to give me the report, if he doesnãt give me the report then I will take action against him and J • 7 • :@=: Mr. Chairman: Thank you. Mohsin Leghari sahib . JJJ J J 7 J 6 \s Œ † \ s J J J J ¶· · † \ … :A³`^ :ARk =:>kFF :X[ :cAN:PN:aB=:•:N=:>[ f5 5 Ei E F :25 ` E A « :|}K ::® Mr. Chairman: Thank you. Syed Muzafar Shah sahib . Senator Syed Muzafar Hussain Shah: Sir, will the Minister concerned be pleased to state that what are the specific allegations, against which persons and would she also be pleased to state as to what are the terms of reference before the inquiry committee for which the inquiry under the Inquiries Act is being contemplated? Thank you. 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(R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: Will the Minister for Communications be pleased to state: (a) whether there is any proposal under consideration of the Government to construct a new link road to the new Benazir Bhutto International Airport, Islamabad, despite the fact that a road facility to that airport already exists, if so, the reasons for construction of the new road; and (b) the estimated cost of the said new road? Minister for Communications: (a) Yes, there is a proposal under consideration to construct a link road to New Benazir Bhutto International Airport (NBBIA) with Rawalpindi and Islamabad. There does not exist any road facility which connects the new airport with the twin cities as yet. The connection comprises of a 4-lane facility from Islamabad to the airport. However, in order to provide additional linkages to new airport other options are also under consideration. (b) To undertake the Project titled åConstruction of (NBBIA) on Built-Operate-Transfer (BOT) basisç, project cost quoted by M/ s Frontier Works Organization/Technical Associates (Pvt) Limited (Joint Venture) is Rs. 7,149 million. Mr. Chairman: Any supplementary. 22 Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: Sir, I am very glad that we have a new airport coming up Bhutto International Airport and there will be a road also. At the moment they are telling us that there is no link road, linking the airport with the twin cities. Sir, if the honourable Minister could kindly let me know what will be the length of this 4 lane faculty from Islamabad, Rawlapindi to the new airport and when is it likely to be completed? Thank you. 7 V J V J ca€« B={ :>F B358 :3[ 8 J J J V J c;5E A« :@A n :ZB<:˘•i j 56 :XJ [\s |}`[ kE :aA5 `5E â J JJ J † J ”¶ °I HJ 8 J J J · \`… :2]S :À[ :© A:2:AN:3:@A5ff[ f[ • rB:>F :25 ` E A « :3 7 V J V J ca€« B={ :>F B358 :3[ 8 E 6 J \ V E J c;A5 E « :QA5 ` à B:vçz5 :•:5 :X[ s |}`[ k :aA5 `5E • † J J \s V kE J y E · \`… :2ÆE : B|º MN: AO : aB=5 5E ! X[ |}`[ : aA5 `5E : ˘2[ f 3• : :QA5`à B:vçz5 :Z4• :® 7 V J V J ca€« B={ :>F B358 :3[ 8 24 † 7 J \Ò[`5E J J y`I :˘A`[8 N:=H :FWO :x B3k8 :>H :Ñv‹ :TB:˘>d l :TAkf :>H :NArB:‰€5f• B:˘>d l :A<:=i j il :±`I :> … :NArB:‰€ 5 f • B:=:2:X F [ f [ J 7 J \s J JJ\s † :cA³^ :A `… :A O :bidding :>F :X[ :3k8 :TB:2f :˘>d l :B=il :advertise :2f :˘>dl :A[[f rB:X[ :A f Z[`{ :2 f :2[ f Mr. Chairman: You want an open competition. Yes Minister sahiba . J • J H † \s •· J \ V E J J J•6 7 · :>… :ˆv‹ :U :®|}K :>wR := 5E ! X|[ s }`[ k :aA5 `5E :c23[ f y• : :@An :Z46 B:XJ – D <:2• =B:2F ¿ | }Š J 7 • J V õf J ^ I • S \j \j ”h 7 :• A:s3[8 MA5Š :>… :consultant :>?G :> H :feasibility :©v:>’ F :NHA :2§ :X[ i :2[ f:LM:X[ i :• :®N:aAg €Ì B 7 V 7 J 7 7 HE W D56 7 ^ So it :c>dl :>‚ F M<:a Mr. Chairman: Next question No. 68. Mr. Abdul Haseeb khan. 68. *Senator Abdul Haseeb Khan: Will the Minister for Education, Trainings and Standards in Higher Education be pleased to state whether it is a fact that allocation for education sector has to be raised up-to seven percent of the GDP by the financial year 2015 as provided in Education Policy 2009, if so, the present position of the same? Mr. Muhammad Baligh Ur Rehman (Minister for Education, Trainings and Standards in Higher Education): National Education Policy 2009 aimed at increasing public expenditure on education upto 7 percent of GDP by 2015. 25 The education expenditure amounted to 2% of Gross National Product (GNP) in 2011-12, 1.7 % of GNP in 2010-11, 2% of GNP in 2009-10. (Economic Survey of Pakistan 2012-13). J The Question Hour is over. Leave Applications.::cX[\ji :X [ \ ] ^ :N= 5E = { Leave of Absence 7 J JJH7 { W J JJJ • J V E J :12 :2<=:3:An { k8 ``58 :U :aA[ Ç M|Ó :UBN::;5 E A «n :@A:CB:µ[ \• :@A 4`”¥ :aA5 5E ::X[\s |}`[ k :aA5 `5E J JJJ 7 J • 7 J ^ 7 ^ \^ 7 \ t :;¬E <:>… :@B=B:>?[F GHI :> :À Mr. Chairman: Before we proceed to the discussion on the commenced business Œ :cX[\Å :>I :call attention notice :>„] ‚:>^ … :discussion :bi :3h B:;5 E A« :25n B< 26 † Í J ^ Ô · † … c>dl :±[ `R :o¶ Bvç‹ :Z4• :25n B<:| }`[ \[` 6 J V E J c;5 E A« :@A[ ` { :•5 :X[\s |}`[ k :aA5 `5E Point of Order: On Meeting of Council of Common Interests and its Statement of Finance Minister on Different Subjects Senator Mian Raza Rabbani : Mr. Chairman, I would like to take you to Article 154 of the Constitution. Article 153 of the Constitution creates the Council of Common Interests and Article 154 of the Constitution lays down the functions and the rules and the procedure. J J Article =H :arB:Xk [\s :aB:c>d5 l :Af 3H : follow :>F : Council of Common Interests := 5E J Clause 3 says that the Council which :cA:@=A:AA:3:>Ëil k nfn5 HI :3:k 8 Clause 3:UH :154 means the Council of Common Interests shall have a permanent secretariat. Mr. Chairman: Raja Zafar-ul-Haq sahib , an important issue being raised, Constitutional issue being raised by Mian Raza Rabbani sahib . 8 8 † ˚>h :X3[[H :arB:A::>k [f h :X3 H respond ;5 E A« : Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, we were on Clause 3 of Article 154 of the Constitution and Clause 3 says, Mr. Chairman, that the Council shall have a permanent Secretariat and shall meet at least once in 90 days this is a Constitutional mandate which has been introduced by the 18 th Amendment 27 V V ”h I † ”h I † Federal Legislative List Part 2 :=5E :2§ :• :UBN:consciously : Mr. Chairman: Yes, Raja Zafar-ul-Haq sahib. 28 J 7 • Í J † •k^ J \s V kE J Ô · † \ … :A[[`h :AA f ³ ^ B:QB=p :2:@=N:>[ f F„³ ‚ ::=:± F [ f !B X|[ }`[ :aA5 `5E :c23[ f y• ::o¶ Bvç‹ :Z4• :25n B<:| }`[ [` 7 7 ^ 7 :T€5n B:AO :TB:˘>dl : Council of Common Interests :=:;5E ¶ :>H : Constitution :2§ :A ³^ J V ‡^ 4è \sJ \ f •Jl :AO :TB:c>dl :® Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: I am sorry, sir! With due respect, sir, this is a Constitutional requirementÉÉ J 8à 8 J J \ V E J :XN:ö[[ ={ :L 29 J I li † J :>?GI :>H :meeting :•¾Ë B:=5E :specific agenda ::LM:XJ y\[` :X[[` A:>kn F[ =:Xil [ \ s :PZ`5¶^ B:= 5 E :X [ \ ji :N= 5 E{ = 7 J J 7 I • 7 \s I J :=:T€il5 n B:AO :TB:ZÄ5n :;¹5^ :–UA _Kj`] F :CB:¸A F B: \Å J … 7 J \ V E J It almost amounts :cX[ :X :aA5f :±[ f B:®| [ }¿ ! ;5 E A« :@A[ ` { ::X[ s |}`[ k :aA5 `5E to conceding one thing, this is what Raja sahib has said that he is \s :X[ :P Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, this is a very fundamental question. One of the authors is sitting right next to Raja sahib and one of the authors is also sitting here, Khattak sahib , they will bear me out, Council of Common Interests 7 \s ”{ 8 † 7 E it is almost parallel to the :˘X:b[[[ 3:X= 30 † J • J † V JJJH \§ ¯ [F à ( ( A[`H :aMrB:ôBM:X =F :>F :X[ B E 6 J \ V E J c;A5 E « :QA5 ` à B:vçz5 :•:5 :X[ s |}`[ k :aA5 `5E J • † J W J 7· 7 7 ^ J \s V kE J y E · \`… :UA<:A5f « <:‰|}Š :2§ :A=:2:| f il[ f }] 5 :!X[ |}`[ :aA5 `5E :˘ 2[ f 3• ::QA5`à B:v çz5 :Z 4• :® åThe Council shall be responsible to Majlis-e-Shoora [Parliament] and shall submit an Annual Report to both the Houses of Majlis-e-Shoora [Parliament]ç. V J 7 ^ ‡^E 7 ‡ ^ ^ J H J J :>F =:LA:´ilskE :A:ÀA:ˆ|:•[ fk k f Î 5 B:=:x H5 :;={ yE{ n :LN=5 =:• 5 B:2§ :> R :>d l <:2 ] S :2[ f :X <: (Pause) Ô Í V E J calling attention notice for the :±B:˘;[ f 5 E A« :o¶ B:vç‹ :25n B<::XJ [\s |}`[ k :aA5 `5E † c;5 E A« : 32 W H J :UA:±B:Uk O [ f :TB:3:B=H G58 :>… : list Security Exchange Commission of Pakistan J V W ‡5^ \7 J ”Ù \W S \ :Uk AO :±[ f B: Mr. Chairman: Thank you. This document which you have delivered here would be the part of the proceedings of the House now. J • J Í 7 •·‡^ • · † · † \ … :>dl :|A::˘€:Aij Ì`kn k8 :>w R : 33 :X[\s : detailed briefing of every penny of this because I am trustee. J ^ and this is which I follow. I think :>dl :@A4[^ B:B|[ }¿ :2:c@=[ f il :LN:aB=5 5 E := H :CB:> „ ] ‚:> … :; 5 … the people like Raza Rabbani, Farooq Naik or Raja sahib and all J :aB=5 5E :AO :|[[}j k» :|:TA:P|i f }¿ :who have worked with me, they know this thing. 7 k J ‡^ ‡ ^ I •· \]^ • 6 7 session :2§ :• :®ZÄ5n :•5 :>?G :TB:>w R :˘>d l <:3:XH [ :prorogue :arB:Zk [f A• : 34 property, it is property of one hundred and eighty million people of • J please have :2§ :>dl :T 35 J ^ V J :arB:3k h B I am not sure :˘X[[\ij :>dl <:3H :X \ ] prorogue :arB:3k h B ! XJ [\s |}`[ kE :aA5 `5E 7 I would request to have adjourned this session :=:XF [\ji :>dl <:3 Hprorogue now, after Jumma prayer I would like to share everything with my brothers and sisters here, if you are not proroguing then I think :3H := HWednesday :˘>dl commitment := HMonday and Tuesday :®|[ }¿ : letãs have † W † J 7 ’t \Ç V \ : Mr. Chairman: Thank you, Ishaq Dar sahib, there is already motion under Rule 60 with the Secretariat on this particular subject. If there is sense of the House, this can be debated under Rule 218. 7 ’t \j ‡^ V J \ j R• keeping in :2§ :X[i :N= 5E =:• { 5 :;5E A« :±[ `8 A:qM 36 it is up to the House, we can have it. Second thing is that so far I have not received any prorogation order. It means that we will continue for the next week also. † c;5 E A« : it is my right to give a policy statement as a Minister, under the rules. Mr. Chairman: Obviously, it is. Senator Muhammad Ishaq Dar: In either case I am going to share the information. I think the lack of knowledge would not help. 7 • J ‡^H J ‡ ^ \ H † ^ \ J this country needs three :2§ :• :U :2:T 37 J \ ‡^ \ J 7 J \ :>dl :® instead of one. So, I think be magnanimous on that account. J • J t W J † J \ V E J :A`[8 N:aB=5 5E :3:•k8 B: arBk ! ;A5E«f« :UA<:A5 <:@A[ `{ :c;A 5 E « : Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: No sir, not on the CCI, on the other issue. 7 J ^ \s † † there is already a motion :2§ :>dl :2:QA[ f Š <=Ù :X[ :TB::c>d l :AA[ f³^ B:> F :;5 E A « : Senator Muhamamd Ishaq Dar: Mr. Chairman! that was already put on website as I have said earlier. Masha Allah , Raza sahib is computer literate and so is every member of this House. Please download, see which date we have put it on the 38 website of the Ministry of Finance. It is my standing instruction and under any rule, it is not required to be laid in the House under any statute or Constitution but I am prepared, if you want me to provide you copies and make that all bulk expenditure. No, problem, you are most welcome. J J J J J J • \s 7 :=H :;5 E A« :@A È An :ZAij • :>F :X[ :±:@f A]56 :2§ :>dl :QA[[ `E :B|[ }¿ : it is a win-win situation. You would be saving 50 billion rupees. You are actually taking away from the industrialist, who are abusing 39 the cheap gas provision to this country at a price of 6 rupees; generating this cheap electricity and then selling it on12, 13, 14 rupees to the government of Pakistan. 7 ’t Shahid Khaqan has cX[[\Äkn :´A^• ::>H :TB:vRk^ : Which means you will be saving 50 billion of subsidy. I mean these things, please appreciate and lead in the right direction. If there is not understanding, I can understand that obviously Mian sahib must have gone into the background but this is the background which he coincidently discussed with me yesterday but let me assure the House on behalf of the Government of Pakistan, there is nothing under consideration for the increase of gas prices for the domestic consumer. J W J 6 J \ V E J c;5 E A« :UA<:A5 f« <:@A[ ` { :•:5 :X[ s |}`[ k :aA5 `5E J 7 J J \s 7 ¾ ^ J \s V kE J W J † \ … domestic :>F :X[ :2§ :>d l :aA:2:=:•5f [ f F ]k ! X[ |}`[ :aA5 `5E ::U A<:Af « <:@A ` { :| }`[ [` 5 7 J [ J \sŒJ ‡ ^ H \ ] ^ 7 H :3k8 :@B:2§ :@=il :Aij <:3 H defend := Hindustrialist :3:@Ak8 ][ ^ :X[[ :•i :2: 40 åThe gas tariff for all sectors except residential consumers will be increased with effect from January 1 to fulfil a benchmark agreed with the International Monetary Fund (IMF)ç. This I am not saying, this is the Minister of Petroleum his statement which has been reported. † V J c;5 E A« : we are giving cheap electricity to the fertilizer companies and so many other institutions, who have made hundreds of billions of rupees because of cheap provision of electricity and they are not public sector, it is a private sector and Government also keep subsidizing the fertilizer. Time and again you know that 7 J J •k^ ‡^ \ 7 ^ Œ :DPA :A:>‚OF M<: „ ³ ‚ :•5 B:cX[ ji :> F 3:H subsidize :> ‚F M<:=p :aA• :> … := p :ÀA:3:TB:bk k f k8 i J 7 J J J \ 7\`\[` k8 7 Œ J y I 7 7 :@BcX[ ji :>dl <:3:;Mv:3:>‚HE ‘ k 8 F M<:=:xp [ :´A ^ • :> H :subsidy :>… B:bi :aB:X5 [` :A³^ :A<:=:;i j il E Mv ‘ J • 7 7 V J :2§ :X[\ji :>dl <:2 ]S :2:;A f 5 E « :@AA:J È n ZAj • :3h B:cA Ë =il := H :‰B= ¥ : 41 I V J :=H : @B:J arB:k : XJ y[` : : Mian Sahib would support you : •56 : :XJ [\s |}`[ kE : aA5 `5E Œ ^ cX[8 3H :bi Bv‘ :•‡5 ::agreement J 7 •· † · † \ … computer ;A5 E « :@A[ ` { :2 §:>dl :A`k8 :>w:˘;A R 5 E « :@A[ ` { : : Mr. Chairman: Thank you. We have got a Call Attention Notice, Mian Sahib . Yes. J J J † J F ^ \s H 7 † W J \`… :>… :>? ~ Mr. Chairman: Thank you. We canãt prolong it now. Thank you Mian sahib . J † J \ji H 7 W J \`… X[ :>dl <:3 :aA:2:=5f [ f 5E:U A5f <:A « <:@A[ ` { :| }`[ [ he himself has been against this policy that International Monitory Agencies should not dictate internal agenda. Mr. Chairman: Thank you. There is a Calling Attention Notice that is written agenda 42 J 7 ^ JJ J E 8à •· \ j ‡^ Calling B|[ }¿ :2:2[[f§f :>dl„F :AN3:´[fH yÅ :2:> ] ‚:@N:MN:> :@=AF n :x5 : There is a calling attention notice in the name of Senator Mrs. Khalida Parveen. Please move item No.4. Call Attention Notice On Islamabad Police Involvement In Criminal Cases • J J · H è \Å \s J \s V kE J J 8 J † \ … :2A3f s5¶ :U :>„4 :> H :x [ =:NArB:‰€kF 5 f • B:X [ ! X|[ }`[ :aA5 `5E :c23[ f y• : :X[ M3k8 :LZÅ An :| }`[ [` J V 7 7 J 7 Œ 7 J J J G{ • :eA:U:>5 8 5nH„Hs A _{ :> :;[GDi B:•B=:UA· ¥F W ] ”8 B:2=:U:25n H Ä n BN:3 43 7 J V J J Œ FJ WJ E :A5n :>?GH :cases initiate :>Hl :@B:=:>dF :•<:©i° :| [} k» :U=:3B:ˆ€:> H h n Hl :X 5 :>d :A<:A:Aij5 n ³ m [f N::seriously 7 7 J V ‡^ F J \j7 J 8 W \ j :A<:A:Aij5 n[ ` H :•5 : reinstate :xBM:=:@B:=:Xk HFl[[i :>F…G =:®3:>i 58 :aAB3B:>‚s I B:3B:U=: Mr. Chairman: Khalida Perveen Sahiba any question. Yes. 7 7 J ”l J † ^ \ \ „• J \ V kE J J † \ … :4:2§ :@=:•ili A:Akn `¹S :2:A[ f • :B<= R :X[[s :˘:X s > „K ::TB ! X[ s |}`[ :aA5 `5E ::XJ [8 M3k8 :LZÅ An :| }`[ [` V V J J \sE W F • \ s J t :NArB:‰€5f• B:2§ :>dl :A[ `]h :AS :X[[ :x:˘>d5 l :U=:öA il • :|5 } » :2:X[ f : åThe Newsç 2¿ A 44 †† J 7 JJ7^7\j H 7 ^ 7 I :±f :e5 H :=HF :@B=[ B:TB:>… :aABZsÈ B:T= Ry :@B::;{ =n : Mr. Chairman: Ishaq Dar Sahib , there is a response coming from your Minister. Yes. J JJJ 7 J J W † \ \§ 6 G„f · J :>I B=:>E H :> H A:U=A:|f F È[ }Ú :3:±Ak8f ³ k ^ ::X:Q=3:x[ s F 8 [ :±B:[ f :XJ – D 3B:öI[ 5 :Z4• :aA5 `5E † J † J J J J F F \ Å J \§ J 7 7 :FIR register :3:@B:Zk8 _5F :>H :x=:F Point of Order Closure of Afghan Transit Trade Spoils Business of Khyber Pukhtunkhwa Exporters J • J † J F \s J \s V kE J y † \`… :>?~ 45 JJ7 J J J J H J \ E”R k6 F F H J \ :@B:>…F\lF :2M:U:>5n 3:ZH `58 :>• B<:2:>d § :A]S :> :@:=¹^ B:X:x:>d[ s 5 l :• k :xvçF A:x3:± O [ k8 [ fB:U :@B:X [ ji Œ J J \j• \ s 7 :b:2i§ :>dl :2:A[ f `¹S :A:@B:X O [i :a=:ƒ=:=„ s I 5 E :X [ : Afghan Transit Trade :c>dl :A[`h :=:LAil 5 `fOO 8 : 46 Mr. Chairman: The House stands adjourned to meet again on Monday, 16 th December, 2013 at 3.30.p.m. ------ (The House was then adjourned to meet again on Monday, the 16th December, 2013 at 3:30 P.M.) ------ 47