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E PL UR UM IB N U U S Congressional Record United States th of America PROCEEDINGS AND DEBATES OF THE 106 CONGRESS, FIRST SESSION Vol. 145 WASHINGTON, THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 4, 1999 No. 20 Senate The Senate met at 1:03 p.m. and was onment, while the Senate of the United the House managers and the White called to order by the Chief Justice of States is sitting for the trial of the articles House counsel be allowed to make ref- the United States. of impeachment exhibited by the House of erence to oral depositions during this Representatives against William Jefferson debate on pending motions. f Clinton, President of the United States. TRIAL OF WILLIAM JEFFERSON THE JOURNAL The CHIEF JUSTICE. Is there any CLINTON, PRESIDENT OF THE The CHIEF JUSTICE. If there is no objection? In the absence of objection, UNITED STATES objection, the Journal of proceedings of it is so ordered. The CHIEF JUSTICE. The Senate the trial are approved to date. Mr. LOTT. Consequently, four votes, will convene as a Court of Impeach- The majority leader is recognized. then, would occur in the 4 p.m. time- ment. The Chaplain will offer a prayer. Mr. LOTT. Thank you, Mr. Chief Jus- frame today with respect to these four tice. motions. PRAYER ORDER OF PROCEDURE We will take at least one break— The Chaplain, Dr. Lloyd John Mr. LOTT. Mr. Chief Justice, if I maybe two—between now and then, Ogilvie, offered the following prayer: could take just a moment to outline and that would determine exactly when Gracious God, these days here in the how the proceedings will go this after- that series of votes would occur—once Senate are filled with crucial issues, noon, I think that would answer any differences on solutions, and eventu- we begin the process of offering and de- questions that Senators may have. We bating the motions. And we will make ally a vital vote in the impeachment will, of course, continue with the con- trial. We begin this day’s session with a determination as to exactly when sideration of articles of impeachment. those provisions would occur. the question You asked King Solomon, I am not aware of any objections made In addition, if the motion for addi- ‘‘Ask! What shall I give You?’’ We during the depositions which require tional presentation time is agreed to empathize with Solomon’s response. He motions to resolve. Therefore, I believe asked for an ‘‘understanding heart.’’ by the Senate, it would be my inten- the House managers are prepared to go We are moved by the more precise tion to adjourn the trial after today’s forward with a motion that would have translation of the Hebrew words for deliberations over until Saturday for three parts. The first would allow for ‘‘understanding heart,’’ meaning ‘‘a the parties to make their preparations, the introduction of the depositions into hearing heart.’’ then to present their presentations of evidence. The second would call Solomon wanted to hear a word from evidence on Saturday, and the trial Monica Lewinsky as a witness. And the You, Lord, for the perplexities he would then resume on Monday at 12 third part would allow for a presen- faced. He longed for the gift of wisdom noon for the closing arguments of the tation period by the parties for not to so he could have answers and direction parties. for his people. We are moved by Your extend beyond 6 hours. This motion Again, I remind all of my colleagues response, ‘‘See, I have given you a wise would be debated by the House man- to please remain standing at their and listening heart.’’ agers and the White House counsel for I pray for nothing less as Your an- not to exceed 2 hours. desks when the Chief Justice enters the swer for the women and men of this In addition, it is my understanding Chamber and leaves the Chamber. Senate. Help them to listen to Your that Senator DASCHLE intends to offer I thank my colleagues for their at- guidance and grant them wisdom for a motion that would provide for going tention. I believe we are ready to pro- their decisions. All through our history directly to the articles of impeachment ceed, Mr. Chief Justice. as a Nation, You have made good men for a vote. Mr. DASCHLE. Mr. Chief Justice, The CHIEF JUSTICE. The Chair rec- and women great when they humbled ognizes Mr. Manager MCCOLLUM. themselves, confessed their need for will the majority leader yield? Your wisdom, and listened intently to Mr. LOTT. I am glad to yield to the MOTION FOR ADMISSION OF EVIDENCE, APPEAR- You. Speak Lord; we need to hear Your minority leader, Senator DASCHLE. ANCE OF WITNESSES, AND PRESENTATION OF voice. We are listening. Amen. Mr. DASCHLE. The motion would EVIDENCE The CHIEF JUSTICE. The Senators allow for closing arguments, final de- Mr. Manager MCCOLLUM. Mr. Chief will be seated. The Sergeant at Arms liberations, and then the motions on Justice, I have a motion to deliver to will make the proclamation. the two articles. the Senate. The Sergeant at Arms, James W. Mr. LOTT. Having said that, Mr. Ziglar, made proclamation as follows: Chief Justice, in order for the man- The CHIEF JUSTICE. The clerk will read the motion: Hear ye! Hear ye! Hear ye! All persons are agers to prepare debate for the mo- commanded to keep silent, on pain of impris- tions, I ask unanimous consent that The legislative clerk read as follows: ∑ This ‘‘bullet’’ symbol identifies statements or insertions which are not spoken by a Member of the Senate on the floor. S1199 . VerDate Mar 15 2010 21:42 Nov 01, 2013 Jkt 081600 PO 00000 Frm 00001 Fmt 0624 Sfmt 0634 E:\1999SENATE\S04FE9.REC S04FE9 mmaher on DSKCGSP4G1 with SOCIALSECURITY S1200 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE February 4, 1999 MOTION OF THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF one motion, but we have divided it into they are, indeed, what most deposi- REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE ADMISSION OF three parts so there will only be 2 tions are. They are discovery. They EVIDENCE, THE APPEARANCE OF WITNESSES, hours equally divided, one on each side; have long pauses in them. They are not AND THE PRESENTATION OF EVIDENCE not 2 hours equally divided on each one at all like it would be in a trial itself; Now comes the United States House of of the three divisions. We had one clar- you don’t have the opportunity to fully Representatives, by and through its duly au- thorized Managers, and respectfully submits ification I believe we have cleared up, see or explore with the witness the de- to the United States Senate its motion for and I believe now we are ready to hear meanor, the temperament, the spon- the admission of evidence, the appearance of from the managers, Mr. Chief Justice. taneity, all of those things that you witnesses, and the presentation of evidence The CHIEF JUSTICE. Very well. The normally get with an exchange. You in connection with the Impeachment Trial of Chair recognizes Mr. Manager MCCOL- have the camera simply focused on the William Jefferson Clinton, President of the LUM. witness. You don’t get to have the United States. Mr. Manager MCCOLLUM. Thank interaction you get in a courtroom. The House moves that the transcriptions you, Mr. Chief Justice. And remember, again, that we are and videotapes of the oral depositions taken As the first one up here today, I have pursuant to S. Res. 30, from the point that dealing here first with your deter- each witness is sworn to testify under oath to fiddle with the microphone, I guess; mining whether or not the President to the end of any direct response to the last it is sort of like testing. I apologize. committed the crimes of perjury and question posed by a party, be admitted into Mr. Chief Justice and Members of the obstruction of justice and then the evidence. Senate, what we have presented to you question of whether or not he should be The House further moves that the Senate today is a three-part motion, as Mr. removed from office. So I believe and authorize and issue a subpoena for the ap- LOTT has described it, and as you have we believe as House managers that you pearance of Monica S. Lewinsky before the heard read to you. We would like very should at least let us have Monica Senate for a period of time not to exceed much, as we always have, to have all eight hours, and in connection with the ex- Lewinsky here live for both of those amination of that witness, the House re- the witnesses we want presented here reasons. quests that either party be able to examine live, as we would normally have in a I also want to make comments spe- the witness as if that witness were declared trial, as the House has always believed cifically about just admitting these adverse, that counsel for the President and that it should have. into evidence. There are two obvious counsel for the House Managers be able to We came before you a few days ago reasons why, beyond the question of participate in the examination of that wit- recognizing the reality of that and whether a witness should appear live or ness, and that the House be entitled to re- went forward with your procedures to whether we should use portions of serve a portion of its examination time to re- request not 5, not 6, not 12, but 3 wit- them in whatever fashion to present to examine the witness following any examina- nesses be deposed so that we might be tion by the President.